Ontwikkeling Type-26 fregat / global combat ship

[dudge]

Ik zie het niet gebeuren, zeker aangezien er al flink werk geleverd is aan de Type-26, en de Britse marinebouw nu eenmaal een bron van trots is. Hoewel ze voor de MARS schepen ook overzees zijn gaan shoppen. Helemaal uit te sluiten is het dus niet.

[dudge]

Britain Struggles With Costs for New Frigates

LONDON — Britain's Defence Ministry will miss the deadline to award a contract to BAE Systems to build the Royal Navy's new Type 26 frigate, according to sources, who say it could take months before the two sides are in a position to agree to a deal.
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Some sources are even suggesting the British might consider looking at the FREMM frigate being built by France and Italy after the First Sea Lord, Adm. Sir George Zambellas, did not rule out a non-British solution to the problem in a Defense News interview published Oct. 27.

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20141109/DEFREG01/311090024/Britain-Struggles-Costs-New-Frigates

Rest staat in de bron.

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

New UK Frigate Proposals Coming Together

Aug. 19, 2014

LONDON — BAE Systems is finishing proposals to build a new generation of frigates for the Royal Navy and has begun delivering details of the bid to the British Defence Ministry ahead of a decision expected by the end of the year, company officials said.

The Royal Navy is looking to acquire 13 of the Type 26 frigates for a total of roughly £4 billion (US $6.6 billion), with the first of the warships expected to be delivered starting late 2021 to provide what will eventually become the backbone of the fleet out to around 2060.

The warships will replace the Royal Navy's aging Type 23 fleet.

"Initial documents to support the business case for Type 26 have been submitted. The process is underway but not finalized yet. We expect that to be complete by the end of the summer," a BAE spokeswoman said.

BAE is concluding a four-year, £150 million assessment phase on the Type 26 this year and hopes to get the development and build phase approved in order to start cutting metal in 2016.

The 6,000-ton Type 26 is primarily intended for anti-submarine warfare, but the design gives the Royal Navy the versatility that is essential given its small number of surface combatants — 13 Type 23 frigates and six Type 45 destroyers.

"We are planning for a class of 13 ships, but this will be confirmed at the main investment decision, which is expected towards the end of 2014," an MoD spokeswoman said.

BAE's proposals are based on a 13-ship fleet, but Jeff Searle, the company's program director, told reporters on June 3 that he "expected a phased commitment" by the MoD.

During a parliamentary debate in December, defense procurement minister Philip Dunne said there would be an initial order for eight Type 26s, but the MoD spokeswoman last week would not comment on whether that remained the case.

Dunne told Defense News in a recent interview that getting the Type 26 build program under contract was one of his priorities ahead of the general election in May 2015.

That's a view BAE would echo, industry executives said.

The Type 26 deal is one of several planned major defense equipment investments that the government is attempting to get approved ahead of the election, a strategic defense review and potentially further defense spending reductions all threatening to impact the sector next year.

More immediately, though, is the question of exactly what effect, if any, an upcoming Scottish independence referendum vote might have on naval construction programs here.

Opinion polls are showing a majority in favor of remaining part of the UK, but a "yes" vote on Sept. 18 can't be ruled out.

Independence would likely seriously impact the timing of approval and number of hulls for a Type 26 program, which is slated to be built at BAE's surface warship yards in Glasgow, Scotland.

The British government has consistently said Royal Navy warships have to be built in the UK.

That point was reiterated Aug. 12 when Britain's new Defence Secretary Micheal Fallon announced that a £348 million deal with BAE for three ocean-going patrol vessels would continue in Scotland only if voters reject independence.

"UK warships are only built in UK shipyards," Fallon said in a statement.

The government options to build surface warships elsewhere appear somewhat limited. BAE is in the throes of closing its other UK surface warship yard at Portsmouth, southern England, as part of a major downsizing in build capacity.

That leaves BAE's nuclear submarine building facility at Barrow-in-Furniss and a small yard run by Babcock International as the only two operations working on naval orders south of the border.

Babcock's Appledore yard in southwest England is building the second of two 90-meter offshore patrol vessels ordered by the Irish Naval Service.

BAE is proposing updating its Scottish shipbuilding capabilities, but that also depends on the outcome of the referendum.

The favored option is a £200 million investment in the Scotstoun yard on the Clyde and closure of the nearby Govan facility, but a dual-yard approach is also on the table.

The BAE spokeswoman said a decision on the investment proposal is expected toward the end of the year, with the update work beginning next year.

The first of the new 90-meter patrol vessels will be delivered to the Royal Navy in 2017, with all three warships handed over by the end of 2018.

The warships are destined to undertake operations in home waters as well as globally in roles conducted by frigates and other larger vessels such as anti-piracy, counterterrorism and anti-smuggling.

The intent to purchase the warships was announced by the British government in November.

In part, the patrol vessels are being constructed to fill the gap in work between completion of two aircraft carriers now being built for the Royal Navy and the start of the Type 26 program.

Under an earlier business agreement with BAE, the government would have had to pay for shipyard workers to effectively sit around doing nothing until the Type 26 program gathered construction momentum later in the decade.

The future of the three relatively new River-class offshore patrol vessels that the new patrol warships will replace will be decided by next year's strategic defense and security review.

Larger than the River-class vessels deployed by the Royal Navy for fisheries protection and other duties in home waters, the new warships will be capable of landing AgustaWestland's Merlin helicopters and have more room for embarking personnel.

BAE said the new warships, adapted from a design already in service with the Brazilian and Thai navies, will have a range of 5,500 nautical miles, be globally deployable and capable of ocean patrol. ■

http://www.c4isrnet.com/article/M5/20140818/DEFREG01/308180017/New-UK-Frigate-Proposals-Coming-Together

[ARM-WAP]

Idd een bijkomende factor... de 'Scottish Devolution referendum'.
Voor de Royal Navy en UK hangt er idd veel van af.

Volgens peilingen is er nog steeds geen meerderheid te vinden.
Er zijn veel vragen die vooralsnog onbeantwoord blijven.
Vwb Defensie zal het alleszins een afknapper worden, voor de Armed Forces zoals ze nu bestaan.
Alex Salmonds Scottish National Party wil "...The SNP is committed to Scotland playing a full role with treaty allies as a non-nuclear country."
Dat houdt dus grote problemen in voor de Royal Navy:
- HMNB Clyde (bij Faslane/Helensburgh) huisvest de SSBN's

- Verder zijn de scheepswerven waar de nieuwe carriers geassembleerd worden in Rosyth (ten Noorden van Edinburgh).
- De Daring klasse wordt in secties gebouwd te (Govan en Scotstoun - bij Glasgow en ook in in Portsmouth, Zuid-Engeland) en assemblage vindt plaats in Schotland.

Wat de SNP verder voor Defence in petto heeft? Geen idee... Dus ook hier blijven vragen onbeantwoord.

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

New naval warship will be out of date

A NEW Royal Navy ­frigate that is already more than a decade late will be out of date when it ­finally enters service.

By John Ward /Published 27th October 2013

The warship was announced in the 1990s but the first order for the Type 26 has still not been officially made.

Codenamed Global Combat Ships, the frigates will cost £300million each and act as the main escort for the Navy's new aircraft super carriers.

Fitted with ­vertical-launch missiles, they will be able to sail 7,000 miles without stopping.

But despite the MoD awarding a £127million design contract to BAE Systems, defence secretary Philip Hammond has said he will not announce any Type 26 ­orders before December 2014 – ­after the ­Scottish devolution vote.

Govan and Rosyth dockyards in Scotland are set for a battle with Portsmouth for the job of building the 13-strong fleet, which will replace the ageing Type 23 Duke class frigates.

The hold-up means that even if a new ship is built every year from 2015 the fleet may not be ­operational before the mid 2030s. And the new Sea Ceptor missile system, designed for the Type 26, will have to be fitted to the old Type 23s instead, some of which will be kept on for 40 years.

Senior naval officers say the project risks being out of date before the ­ships are launched, as weapons systems and command and control units are updated every few years.

One officer said: "Political ­posturing over the Type 26 will have a ­major impact on the ­operational capability of the fleet. The ­current Type 23 Duke class ­frigates simply cannot ­carry on until the 2030s.

"This is a disgraceful delay."

An MoD spokesman said: "The Type 26 programme is not late. The Global Combat Ship is due to replace the Type 23 frigates from the mid 2020s.

"We're working up specifications with industry ahead of the main investment decision point in the middle of the decade."

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/347424/New-naval-warship-will-be-out-of-date-

[dudge]

Zoals (gedeeltelijk) bij het FREMM project?
Slechts twee Horizons werden gebouwd (ipv 4) en werden er twee FREDA besteld (FREmm Défense Aérienne).
Maar ook hier werd het totale aantal FREMMs naar beneden bijgesteld van 17 naar 11.

Al bij al nog steeds een stevige (Franse) marine.

Inderdaad. Al vraag ik me af of dit echt een goedkopere optie was. Een klasse van 4 Horizon's was m.i. beter geweest. Maargoed, als escorte voor de CdG voldoen deze twee. Al met al hebben de Fransen momenteel toch wel de best uitgeruste Marine van Europa, maar, ook daar hebben de bezuinigingen er flink ingehakt.

De productie van de FREMM gaat nog een fikse tijd door, de Type 26 nog langer, en tussen nu en 2030 kan er nog een hoop veranderen.

[ARM-WAP]

Anderzijds, ik zou ook niet verbaasd zijn als er versneld een groter aantal in dienst gesteld gaat worden. Al zal veel afhangen over de ontwikkelingen rondom de QE klasse en haar uitrusting (F35B).

Zoals (gedeeltelijk) bij het FREMM project?
Slechts twee Horizons werden gebouwd (ipv 4) en werden er twee FREDA besteld (FREmm Défense Aérienne).
Maar ook hier werd het totale aantal FREMMs naar beneden bijgesteld van 17 naar 11.

Al bij al nog steeds een stevige (Franse) marine.

[dudge]

'k Ben eens benieuwd hoe weinig er slechts zullen gebouwd worden.
De snelle verkoop van enkele Type 23, het uitfaseren van de Type 22 Batch 3, het indienststellen van slechts 6 ipv de oorspronkelijke 12 Type 45s... enz enz stemt mij niet echt positief over hoe dit project zal aflopen...

Anderzijds, ik zou ook niet verbaasd zijn als er versneld een groter aantal in dienst gesteld gaat worden. Al zal veel afhangen over de ontwikkelingen rondom de QE klasse en haar uitrusting (F35B).

[ARM-WAP]

Volgens mij heeft de RN nu ongeveer net zoveel fregatten als de KM had in 1990!

'k Ben eens benieuwd hoe weinig er slechts zullen gebouwd worden.
De snelle verkoop van enkele Type 23, het uitfaseren van de Type 22 Batch 3, het indienststellen van slechts 6 ipv de oorspronkelijke 12 Type 45s... enz enz stemt mij niet echt positief over hoe dit project zal aflopen...

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

13 + 6 Destroyers

Overigens is het ontwerp een heel stuk beter dan dat OPV achtige schip van 7000 ton wat de Duitsers gaan bouwen (F125)

en de KM in 1990: 10S+2GW+2L (+8M in bestelling)

[dudge]

Volgens mij heeft de RN nu ongeveer net zoveel fregatten als de KM had in 1990!

13 + 6 Destroyers

Overigens is het ontwerp een heel stuk beter dan dat OPV achtige schip van 7000 ton wat de Duitsers gaan bouwen (F125)

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Gemiste kans wel, ook productie levert gewoon Britse werkgelegenheid op. Maar dat is misschien nog de oude instelling, waarin de Royal navy genoeg klant was voor de Britse industrie, maar ook dat is nu wel over.

Volgens mij heeft de RN nu ongeveer net zoveel fregatten als de KM had in 1990!

[dudge]

De Britten promoten hun Type 26 destroyer vollop.  De Britten zijn echter nooit zo succesvol op de export markt geweest zoals Frankrijk en Duitsland.  Hun hoofddoel is dan ook, om andere landen als risicodragend deelnemer in de Type 26 ontwikkeling te betrekken.
Puur en alleen vanwege het Britse belang om de ontwikkelingskosten voor hen te minimaliseren.

Gemiste kans wel, ook productie levert gewoon Britse werkgelegenheid op. Maar dat is misschien nog de oude instelling, waarin de Royal navy genoeg klant was voor de Britse industrie, maar ook dat is nu wel over.

[dudge]

Royal Navy:

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A combined RN-MOD-BAE 550-strong team has been working on the design of the ships since the spring of 2010 and those efforts have reached the stage where BAE are ready to issue the first contracts.

The ships will be powered by a combined diesel electric or gas turbine system – meaning they'll be capable of high speeds, but also cruise along extremely quietly.

Rolls-Royce have been selected to design the 26's gas turbines; MTU will provide the diesel generator sets and David Brown Gear Systems have been asked to develop the gearbox.

The fourth contract has been placed with Rohde & Schwarz to work on the vessels' communications system.

The Type 26 will be slightly longer than the Duke-class they replace (148m to 133m) and slightly heavier (5,400 tonnes to 4,900).
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http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/News-and-Events/Latest-News/2013/September/11/130911-Type-26

[Poleme]

Hier laten wij dan weer kansen liggen. Ondanks recente successen met de SIGMA en met wat er nog in de pijpleiding zit.

De Britten promoten hun Type 26 destroyer vollop.  De Britten zijn echter nooit zo succesvol op de export markt geweest zoals Frankrijk en Duitsland.  Hun hoofddoel is dan ook, om andere landen als risicodragend deelnemer in de Type 26 ontwikkeling te betrekken.
Puur en alleen vanwege het Britse belang om de ontwikkelingskosten voor hen te minimaliseren.