Qatar – AH-64D APACHE Block III LONGBOW Attack Helicopters

Gestart door jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter), 16/07/2012 | 18:32 uur

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

Citaat van: ridivek op 09/06/2016 | 23:02 uur
Vliegtuigen en helikopters zijn in levensduur beperkt door een aantal vlieguren. Door modificaties is een toestel moderner te maken en de levensduur kan verlengt worden. Volgens wiki zijn de Nederlandse Apache-D's gebouwd tussen 1998 en 2002, tussen 2028 en 2032 zijn de toestellen 30 jaar oud. Het lijkt mij dat ze tot deze datum mee kunnen na een modificatie (upgrade naar 0-uren en E-versie.) Je praat wel over een project van 0,5-1 miljard.

Wat dan weer mooi aansluit op de geplande vervangingsdatum van rond 2030, een datum die redelijk parallel loopt met de Amerikaanse vervangingscyclus. (van Blackhawk, Seahawk en Apache).

De winnaar van deze competitie is vermoedelijk ook de opvolger van onze Apache (als er vanaf 2030 geld voor vervanging is, een Europees alternatief is niet rond die tijd te verwachten en in 2030 koop je geen Tiger meer)

ridivek

Vliegtuigen en helikopters zijn in levensduur beperkt door een aantal vlieguren. Door modificaties is een toestel moderner te maken en de levensduur kan verlengt worden. Volgens wiki zijn de Nederlandse Apache-D's gebouwd tussen 1998 en 2002, tussen 2028 en 2032 zijn de toestellen 30 jaar oud. Het lijkt mij dat ze tot deze datum mee kunnen na een modificatie (upgrade naar 0-uren en E-versie.) Je praat wel over een project van 0,5-1 miljard.

Sparkplug

Citaat van: JdL op 09/06/2016 | 14:23 uur
Vraag me wel af of de afwijkingen van de NL versie geen problemen gaan opleveren bij het updaten.
Er zijn meerdere landen die hun AH-64D Block II naar Block III (AH-64E) laten ombouwen. Zo ging dat ook met diverse AH-64A naar AH-64D.
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

StrataNL

Citaat van: JdL op 09/06/2016 | 14:23 uur
Zeker, vandaar ook juist mijn reactie.
Vraag me wel af of de afwijkingen van de NL versie geen problemen gaan opleveren bij het updaten.

De E versie is volgens sommige bronnen ook  beter geschikt voor het maritieme mileu. Nederland is al bezig de Apache en Chinook vloot te standaardiseren met die van de Amerikanen. Denk aan het zelfverdedigingssysteem (nu Amase). Voor de rest missen onze "radarless longbow's" alleen de radar.
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Citaat van: JdL op 09/06/2016 | 14:23 uur
Zeker, vandaar ook juist mijn reactie.
Vraag me wel af of de afwijkingen van de NL versie geen problemen gaan opleveren bij het updaten.

Zover ik het begrijp wordt er in Nederland al voorzichtig gekeken in de VS (o.a. door de industrie) naar de Apache opvolger vanaf 2030. Opwaarderen naar E past wellicht in dit plaatje.

JdL

Citaat van: StrataNL op 09/06/2016 | 09:50 uur
Gelezen wat er staat?
Zeker, vandaar ook juist mijn reactie.
Vraag me wel af of de afwijkingen van de NL versie geen problemen gaan opleveren bij het updaten.
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StrataNL

Citaat van: JdL op 09/06/2016 | 06:53 uur
Nieuwbouw vind ik gezien de financiële situatie niet nodig. Updaten, en rond 2030 door een maritieme opvolger vervangen.
Hopelijk wordt de cougar ook geupdate zodat het vervangingsproces tegelijk kan plaatsvinden. Met eventueel hetzelfde airframe als opvolger.

Gelezen wat er staat?
CitaatThe operator(=Nederland)  is expected to Remanufacture it's feet, and not purchase new build aircraft.
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JdL

Nieuwbouw vind ik gezien de financiële situatie niet nodig. Updaten, en rond 2030 door een maritieme opvolger vervangen.
Hopelijk wordt de cougar ook geupdate zodat het vervangingsproces tegelijk kan plaatsvinden. Met eventueel hetzelfde airframe als opvolger.
'The goal is world peace, and to do so you must have strength' Ronald Reagan

Sparkplug

Let ook op de alinea's waarin Nederland als mogelijke klant wordt genoemd.

Qatar signs deal for 24 AH-64E Apaches

By Beth Stevenson, London | 08 June 2016

Boeing and the US government have signed a contract for the provision of 24 AH-64E Apache rotorcraft to Qatar.

The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress in 2014 that an authorisation had been granted to provide 24 of the type to Qatar, and a $667 million contract was signed on 7 June.

In addition to the aircraft, one Longbow radar crew trainer will also be provided, plus ground support equipment and Thales radios. Deliveries will commence in 2019, and the contract will complete in May 2020, Kim Smith, vice-president of attack helicopter programmes at Boeing, told media in Phoenix, Arizona on the day of the deal being signed.

"We're very proud and have had a relationship with the Qataris for some time," Smith says. "This is another significant accomplishment for the E-model."

The deal comes ahead of a planned five-year multi-year contract, which Boeing is hoping to sign in fiscal year 2017. The manufacturer is working with the US Army to accelerate the agreement of such a deal, which would cover the production of 275 aircraft – plus options to ramp up to 450 to support potential export deals – between then and FY2022.

The company is targeting the "second quarter of FY17" for the multi-year signing, which would fall between January and March 2017, but says it is hopeful that this can be brought forward.

Lot 4 AH-64E Apaches are currently in production, and current contracts cover development through to Lot 6, before the proposed multi-year deal would come into effect. Boeing says 257 AH-64Es will be produced ahead of the number that fall under the sought new arrangement, and notes that a second multi-year contract to take it to a total of 690 examples is expected to follow.


Beth Stevenson/Flightglobal

Customers of the E-model include the US Army, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, South Korea and Taiwan, although Boeing cannot confirm the latter.

There are a number of expected future customers of the E-model Apache, including the Netherlands, which now operates 28 D-model variants. The operator is expected to remanufacture its fleet, and not purchase new-build aircraft, Mark Ballew, director of attack helicopters at Boeing, says.

Ballew expects certain customers – including the Netherlands – to wait for the multi-year agreement, in order to benefit from the cost savings that it will provide.

Other tangible future deals for the type include Poland and the UK, with the latter in the process of choosing between an upgrade of its current Apache AH1 fleet, or the acquisition of new-build AH-64E. A request linked to the latter option has previously been approved by the US government.

Poland, meanwhile, is considering the type to fulfil its Kruk attack helicopter programme, a decision on which is expected during 2017. Boeing signed a memorandum of understanding with Polish company PGZ in 2015, and a number of others are in discussion.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/qatar-signs-deal-for-24-ah-64e-apaches-426161/
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

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Qatar – AH-64D APACHE Block III LONGBOW Attack Helicopters

(Source: Defense Security Cooperation Agency; issued July 12, 2012)

WASHINGTON --- The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress July 10 of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Qatar for 24 AH-64D APACHE Block III LONGBOW Attack Helicopters and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $3.0 billion.

The Government of Qatar has requested a possible sale of 24 AH-64D APACHE Block III LONGBOW Attack Helicopters, 56 T700-GE-701D Engines, 27 AN/ASQ-170 Modernized Target Acquisition and Designation Sight, 27 AN/AAR-11 Modernized Pilot Night Vision Sensors, 12 AN/APG-78 Fire Control Radars (FCR) with Radar Electronics Unit (LONGBOW component), 12 AN/APR-48A Radar Frequency Interferometers, 28 AN/AAR-57(V)7 Common Missile Warning Systems, 30 AN/AVR-2B Laser Detecting Sets, 28 AN/APR-39A(V)4 Radar Signal Detecting Sets, 28 AN/ALQ-136(V)5 Radar Jammers or Equivalent, 160 Integrated Helmet and Display Sight Systems-21, 58 Embedded Global Positioning Systems with Inertial Navigation, 30 30mm Automatic Chain Guns, 8 Aircraft Ground Power Units, 52 AN/AVS-6 Night Vision Goggles, 60 M299A1 HELLFIRE Missile Launchers, 576 AGM-114R HELLFIRE II Missiles, 295 FIM-92H STINGER Reprogrammable Micro Processor (RMP) Block I Missiles, 50 STINGER Air-to-Air Launchers, 4092 2.75 in Hydra Rockets, and 90 APACHE Aviator Integrated Helmets. Also included are M206 infrared countermeasure flares, M211 and M212 Advanced Infrared Countermeasure Munitions (AIRCM) flares, training devices, helmets, simulators, generators, transportation, wheeled vehicles and organization equipment, spare and repair parts, support equipment, tools and test equipment, technical data and publications, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support.

The estimated cost is $3.00 billion.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country that has been, and continues to be, an important force for political and economic progress in the Middle East. Qatar is host to the U.S. Central Command forces and serves as a critical forward-deployed location in the region.

The acquisition of these helicopters will allow for integration with U.S. forces for training exercises, which contributes to regional security and interoperability.

The proposed sale of the AH-64D APACHE helicopters will allow the Qatari Armed Forces (QAF) to replace its aging airframes with multi-mission attack helicopters, capable of meeting its requirements for close air support, armed reconnaissance and anti-tank warfare missions. The helicopters will provide a long-term defensive and offensive capability to the Qatari peninsula as well as enhance the protection of key oil and gas infrastructure and platforms which are vital to U.S. and western economic interests.

Qatar will have no difficulty absorbing these helicopters into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The prime contractors will be The Boeing Company in Mesa, Arizona, Lockheed Martin Corporation in Orlando, Florida, General Electric in Cincinnati, Ohio, Lockheed Martin Mission Systems and Sensors in Owego, New York, Longbow Limited Liability Corporation in Orlando, Florida, and Raytheon Corporation in Tucson, Arizona.

There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale.

Implementation of this proposed sale will require the assignment of three U.S. Government and five contractor representatives to Qatar to support delivery of the APACHE helicopters and provide support and equipment familiarization.

In addition, Qatar has expressed an interest in a Technical Assistance Fielding Team for incountry pilot and maintenance training. To support the requirement a team of 12 personnel (one military team leader and 11 contractors) would be deployed to Qatar for approximately three years.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded.

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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/136938/qatar-eyes-%243.2bn-package-for-24-block-iii-apache-attack-helicopters.html