Rusland's Expansie

[Elzenga]

Niet veel meer info, behalve een schaalmodel: http://battlebrotherhood.com/news-en/in-russia-began-work-on-advanced-destroyer/

Dat plaatje is volgens haar tekst dus de Lider-klasse destroyer. Lider..Lid...Die wordt wel genoemd bij de Russische Marine pagina op wikipedia.

[Kiteboarder88]

Ik vind niets op Leader destroyers..wel op Lid destroyer project..maar misschien is dat al bestaand project. Iemand ergens meer info gezien/vonden?

Niet veel meer info, behalve een schaalmodel: http://battlebrotherhood.com/news-en/in-russia-began-work-on-advanced-destroyer/

[Elzenga]

Russia to build 12 nuclear-powered Leader destroyers

21.10.2014 | Source: Pravda.Ru

The Navy of Russia intends to order 12 advanced Leader destroyers. A half of them will be designed for the Northern Fleet, and another half - for the Pacific Fleet, officials with the Defense Ministry of Russia said. The lead ship will join the Russian Navy not earlier than in 2023-2025.

"Six of these ships are to be built for the Northern Fleet and six more - for the Pacific," an unnamed source said. The Leader will be presented in two versions - with a nuclear and gas turbine power generating units.

For the time being, the Leader is not included on the state armaments program before 2020. Its construction will be carried out under the shipbuilding program that runs through 2050. The works on the project are to start next year.

http://english.pravda.ru/news/russia/21-10-2014/128859-nuclear_destroyer_leader-0/#.VEdlM2ccRjo

Ik vind niets op Leader destroyers..wel op Lid destroyer project..maar misschien is dat al bestaand project. Iemand ergens meer info gezien/vonden?

[Harald]

Russian Navy Develops New Mini Submarines    (of zal het gaan om een nieuw ontwikkelde mini sub op basis van Project 865)

(RIA Novosti 29-03-2013) – Russian shipbuilders are working on developing new "super mini" submarines, the United Shipbuilding Corporation state holding company said on Friday.

USC vice president Igor Zakharov said work on the sea craft is in progress at the St. Petersburg-based Malakhit naval machine manufacturing bureau and that Navy command has been showing interest in the project.

Alexander Terenov, an advisor to Malakhit's general director, said the Project 865 Piranha submersible (NATO reporting name Losos) could go beyond just "hit and run" operations.

"They have a broad range of applications and can carry full-fledged missile and torpedo systems," Terenov said.

Terenov said the Piranha could also be deployed for the protection of naval installations, and would be operated by small crews and cost little to maintain.

Piranha is a midget submarine designed for special operations and is almost completely silent. Only two Piranha-class submarines were reportedly ever built in Russia.

http://en.rian.ru/military_news/20130329/180330893.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Losos-class_submarine

Oude foto Project 865 :


Nieuw model :

[Harald]

Hier een "Cold War" rapport uit 1990 omtrent Russische "indringing" in de kustwateren van Zweden.

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a238953.pdf

Voor de geïnteresseerden interessant.

De huidige zichtmeldingen van een sub zijn bestaande plaatsen die door de jaren heen en in de "Cold War" bezocht werden door Russische subs.

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Russia to build 12 nuclear-powered Leader destroyers

21.10.2014 | Source: Pravda.Ru

The Navy of Russia intends to order 12 advanced Leader destroyers. A half of them will be designed for the Northern Fleet, and another half - for the Pacific Fleet, officials with the Defense Ministry of Russia said. The lead ship will join the Russian Navy not earlier than in 2023-2025.

"Six of these ships are to be built for the Northern Fleet and six more - for the Pacific," an unnamed source said. The Leader will be presented in two versions - with a nuclear and gas turbine power generating units.

For the time being, the Leader is not included on the state armaments program before 2020. Its construction will be carried out under the shipbuilding program that runs through 2050. The works on the project are to start next year.

http://english.pravda.ru/news/russia/21-10-2014/128859-nuclear_destroyer_leader-0/#.VEdlM2ccRjo

[Harald]

Sweden Ready To Use Force Against Suspected Submarine

STOCKHOLM — Sweden's armed forces chief warned Tuesday it could use force to bring to the surface a suspected Russian mini-submarine its navy has been hunting for days.

Battleships, minesweepers, helicopters and more than 200 troops have scoured an area about 30 to 60 kilometers (20 to 40 miles) from the Swedish capital since Friday following reports of a "man-made object" in the water.

Supreme Commander General Sverker Goeranson said there was "probable underwater activity" off the coast of Stockholm and he was ready to use "armed force" to bring the mystery vessel to the surface.

...../.....

rest van het artikel zie Link

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20141021/DEFREG01/310210055/Sweden-Ready-Use-Force-Against-Suspected-Submarine

[Harald]

NATO intercepts Russian jets over Baltic Sea

HELSINKI (AP) — NATO scrambled fighter jets twice in two days to intercept Russian military aircraft over the Baltic Sea, it said Tuesday amid reports that Russian military activity in the region is increasing.

Lt. Col. Robert Gericke said the Russian aircraft were flying in international airspace and had not violated the territory of alliance members.

Two Canadian F-18 Hornet jets were scrambled from the Siauliai Air Base in Lithuania on Monday to intercept a Russian Ilyushin-20 surveillance aircraft, which they shadowed for some 15 minutes, NATO said.

"Once identification was successful, the intercept mission was completed and the two Hornets returned to their base," a NATO statement said.

Earlier, the Latvian military tweeted that NATO F-16 jets were dispatched on Tuesday to intercept a Russian Ilyushin-20 surveillance aircraft over the Baltic Sea. Gericke confirmed that NATO jets had also intercepted a Russian aircraft that day, but could not immediately provide more details.

NATO, which has 16 fighter jets in the region monitoring Baltic airspace, said it regularly launches jets to identify "unknown or potentially hostile aircraft" in the proximity of national airspace.

There were two similar incidents in the region on Oct. 7 and Sept. 11, but on neither occasion did the Russian aircraft constitute a threat to NATO forces, the alliance said.

In the past five days, the Swedish Navy has been combing the Stockholm archipelago for signs of a foreign submarine that officials suspect entered its territorial waters illegally. It hasn't officially linked Russia to the suspected intrusion.

The Finnish military says that Russian military aircraft have violated the small Nordic country's airspace five times this year, and the Environment Institute said Russian military ships had twice intercepted one of its research vessels in international waters.

On Sept. 5 an Estonian security service officer was detained on the Russian border — Estonia and Russia disagree on which side of it — and is still in custody in Moscow.

http://news.yahoo.com/nato-intercepts-russian-jets-over-baltic-sea-151513381.html

[Lex]

Hoe staat het trouwens met de rules of engagement in dit geval? Worden er ook aanvallen uitgevoerd op mogelijke contacten? of poogt men bemanning van eventuele (mini)onderzeeboot tot overgave te dwingen en te "arresteren"?

De wetgeving is in dit geval duidelijk. Een natie betreedt zonder voorafgaande toestemming het grondgebied van een andere natie en deze (laatstgenoemde) heeft alle recht om alle benodigde maatregelen te nemen dit tegen te gaan. 

[dudge]

Heus?

Also on April 23, Dutch fighter jets scrambled to intercept a pair of Russian Tu-95 Bear bombers that entered a half-mile into Netherlands airspace.

[Ace1]

Hier een foto van de Elma dieptebom mortieren



http://deftechph.blogspot.nl/2012_12_01_archive.html

[Harald]

Een kleine correctie, de mijnenjagers  en patrouilleboten  zijn voorzien van dieptebom mortieren.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsort-class_mine_countermeasures_vessel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koster-class_mine_countermeasures_vessel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapper-class_patrol_boat

Een kleine aanvulling ; Ik had het specifiek over de Visby klasse, maar je zou je lijst wel verder uitbreiden met o.a.  :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm-class_corvette

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6teborg-class_corvette

Bovengenoemde klassen hebben ASW bewapening

[Ace1]

klopt,  ze hebben geen helicopters met ASW capaciteieten.
Maar als je naar hun, nu op de foto's veel getoonde, Visby korvetten kijkt is, deze ook zwaar uitgekleed op bewapeningsgebied.
Je zou ze bijna klasseren tussen : fast attack, schnellboot  en OPV

Ze hebben wel naast hun een vaste sonar een sleep sonar en aan bewapening, zie hier onder :

Armament:
-  1 × Bofors 57 mm Mk3
-  8 × RBS15 Mk2 AShM
-  4 × 400 mm torpedo launchers for Type 45 torpedoes

-  Mines and depth charges
-  Provision for but not fitted with :
         2 × 6 127 mm ALECTO anti-submarine rocket launchers (cancelled)
         8 × Umkhonto SAM(cancelled)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visby-class_corvette

Een kleine correctie, de mijnenjagers  en patrouilleboten  zijn voorzien van dieptebom mortieren.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsort-class_mine_countermeasures_vessel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koster-class_mine_countermeasures_vessel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapper-class_patrol_boat

[Harald]

The Hunt for the Red in Oktober !     (klink bijna net als een titel voor een spannend boek....  )


Sweden hunts for mystery submarine

(CNN) -- There are fears of Russians and it is October, but it's not a Tom Clancy novel. It is a case of international naval intrigue off the Swedish coast that brings back memories of the Cold War.

The Swedish military on Monday intensified a search in the ocean off Stockholm for an underwater mystery vessel, but stopped short of calling it a submarine. Civilian vessels were ordered to stay at least six miles (about 10 kilometers) away from the Swedish warship conducting the search, the English-language website The Local reported.

The search began Thursday after Swedish intelligence picked up an emergency radio call in Russian, reported The Local, citing the Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet.

The radio transmissions were being sent to the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad, 330 miles (530 kilometers) south of Stockholm on the Baltic's southern shore, according to The Local report.

There were also reports that a foreign vessel was spotted in the waters near Stockholm.

Russia on Sunday denied it has any vessel in Swedish waters. Moscow suggested the vessel may belong to the Netherlands and have been involved in naval exercises off Sweden, according to a report from Russia's Itar-TASS news agency.

The Dutch were quick to respond, saying a sub involved in the exercises was anchored in Tallinn harbor of NATO-ally Estonia for the weekend, according to a report from Agence France-Presse.

'We have good stamina'

On Monday, the Swedish military vowed to continue searching at least for the next few days, according to The Local.

"We have good stamina," The Local quoted defense spokesman Dag Enander. "We're using the sensors we have and are searching both from land and water," Enander was quoted as saying.

To confuse matters even more, the Swedish military said Monday that it purposely provided incorrect information on Sunday about where the mystery vessel was sighted to keep the search area secure.

U.S. officials told CNN there are no U.S. submarines or surface ships in the immediate area. U.S. intelligence doesn't know of any Russian assets in that area, the officials said.

All the activity begs the question, why would a Russian sub need to snoop around in Swedish waters anyway?

Johan Wiktorin of the Swedish Royal Academy of War Sciences gave three possibilities to The Local:

1) "They could be mapping the waters in order to be able to navigate them in the event of hostilities," Wiktorin is quoted as saying.

2) "They could also be installing equipment, like sensors, that could track or get an observation of our units in that area," he goes on.

3) "Or they could also possibly reconnoiter our (defense) systems."          (of haalden ze juist boeien met data op, gegevens van bijv. Bruinvis)

Russian military around the world

Whether there is a Russian sub in Swedish waters or not, there is no question that Russian forces have been active in the Baltic and around the globe this year. In fact, the Swedish military said Sunday that it has monitored suspicious activity for several years, according to another report in The Local.

In July, a U.S. Air Force reconnaissance plane fled into Swedish airspace after the Russians took the unusual action of beginning to track it with land-based radar. The Russians then sent at least one fighter jet into the sky to intercept the U.S. aircraft.

And on April 23, a Russian Su-27 Flanker fighter jet buzzed within 100 feet of the nose of a U.S. Air Force RC-135U reconnaissance plane over the Sea of Okhotsk between Russia and Japan, a Defense Department official said.

Also on April 23, Dutch fighter jets scrambled to intercept a pair of Russian Tu-95 Bear bombers that entered a half-mile into Netherlands airspace.

On June 4, according to U.S. defense officials, four long-range Russian Tu-95 bombers, accompanied by an aerial refueling tanker, flew into the U.S. Air Defense Identification Zone, an area extending 200 miles (320 kilometers) from the North American coast, off Alaska, where they were intercepted by U.S. F-22 fighter jets.

Two of the Russian bombers peeled off and headed west, while the other two flew south and were identified by U.S. F-15 fighters within 50 miles of the California coast.

And last month, two Alaskan-based U.S. Air Force F-22 fighter jets intercepted two Russian IL-78 refueling tankers, two Russian MiG-31 fighter jets and two Russian Bear long-range bombers, according to Capt. Jeff Davis of the North American Aerospace Defense Command.

More than six hours later, two Canadian CF-18 fighter jets intercepted two Russian bombers in the Beaufort Sea, Davis said. Those Russian planes came within about 40 nautical miles of the Canadian coastline, he said.

Earlier this year, a top U.S. Air Force general said Russia was stepping up its military activities in the Asia-Pacific region as tensions increased over Ukraine and Russia's move into Crimea.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/20/world/europe/sweden-russia-submarine-mystery/index.html

[dudge]

even serieus, maar ik denk als er een (mini) onderzeeboot in de kustwateren van Zweden bevind, deze zeer langzaam weg cq terugvarend is naar zijn "thuishaven". Of dat hij als hij meerdere dagen onderwater kan blijven (zonder snuiveren voor verse lucht) op de bodem ligt en wacht tot de jacht afneemt. Je hebt daar heel wisselende diepten tot wel 100 meter.

Wat ook nog een optie zou zijn is (als de onderzeeboot over een sluis beschikt) de boot onderwater op de bodem te laten liggen en zelf proberen over land met behulp van de ambassade of andere noodhulp weg te komen en de boot later weer op te halen.

Maar dit zijn allemaal speculaties !   

Dat zou inderdaad een van de mogelijke scenario's zijn.