Nieuw conflict dreigt over Falklands

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Meer iets voor het fighter topic.
In ieder geval kunnen we veilig stellen dat 24 niet genoeg is voor een serieuze invasie. Lijkt me dus ook geen aantal dat alarmbellen af hoeft te laten gaan.

Wel als het surprise actie is en de Britten hebben alleen 2 of 4 Eurofighters op de eilanden gestationeerd icm 1 fregat in de lokale wateren maar aangezien de Briiten ook niet gek zijn wordt er vast geanticipeerd

[dudge]

Rond 2018 beginnen de sea triles incl F35B, dus reken op z'n vroegst 2019/2020 (met een beperkte hoeveelheid F35B)

Voor 2020 verwacht ik geen Argentijnse Gripen E (if ever)

Op zich en interessant oefen scenario Gripen E vs F35B

Meer iets voor het fighter topic.
In ieder geval kunnen we veilig stellen dat 24 niet genoeg is voor een serieuze invasie. Lijkt me dus ook geen aantal dat alarmbellen af hoeft te laten gaan.

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Ik ben benieuwd wanneer de Britse carriers operationeel worden.....................................................

Rond 2018 beginnen de sea triles incl F35B, dus reken op z'n vroegst 2019/2020 (met een beperkte hoeveelheid F35B)

Voor 2020 verwacht ik geen Argentijnse Gripen E (if ever)

Op zich en interessant oefen scenario Gripen E vs F35B

[dudge]

Ik ben benieuwd wanneer de Britse carriers operationeel worden.....................................................

2020 de eerste, volgens planning. Kan nog wel wat jaartjes uitlopen.

[dudge]

Dat is het lastige, enige manier om het op te lossen is door de eilanden op te geven.

[Zander]

Ik ben benieuwd wanneer de Britse carriers operationeel worden.....................................................

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Falklands War 2? Argentina's new fighters a serious threat

Argentina has placed an order for 24 Saabs – and they're Top Gun aircraft not family saloons

Column, Tue 28 Oct 2014

Argentina's announcement that it plans to acquire 24 Saab Gripen fighter-bombers caused scarcely a ripple in the headlines last week, and so far has produced no reaction from Whitehall.

It should. The purchase calls the bluff on Britain's current stance on the Falkland Islands. This is the first major purchase of new military aircraft by the Argentine government since the Falklands War 32 years ago.

Buying the Gripen shows serious intent. It is more capable than any aircraft the RAF currently deploys – and could match anything the RAF is likely to have in five to eight years' time, which is when the Fuerza Aerea's new attack planes are expected to become fully operational.

The plan to buy the new generation of the highly successful Swedish-designed Gripen aircraft was revealed by Argentina's defence minister Agustin Rossi on 21 October during a visit to Brazil. In a joint press conference with his Brazilian counterpart he said the details "are to be worked out over the next four months".

But it is already clear that the terms of the deal are of a global interest that goes far beyond the Falklands dispute.

The 24 aircraft destined for Argentina are being tacked on to an order for 36 Gripen for Brazil's air force. That contract, due to be signed by December, involves a joint venture between Saab of Sweden – the plane's original designer and manufacturer – and Embraer of Brazil, who will make a number of airframes.

Argentina now intends to be part of that joint venture, and is setting up a production line to make parts for the aircraft. At a later stage, Argentina and Brazil say they hope to develop the new advanced twin-seater version of the Gripen. They expect to find markets in Ecuador, Paraguay and Uruguay.

In other words, the partnership between Saab and Embraer aims to produce a Latin American advanced fighter for Latin American markets.

The Gripen is a highly agile single-seater fighter which proved itself in the air operations over Libya in 2011. "It was good to fly, reliable and easy to maintain – it was the automatic second choice for the allied air forces, barring the best of what their own nations had," the RAF commander in the Mediterranean, Air Vice Marshal Edward Stringer, told me.

Brazil, which has a well developed civil and military aircraft industry of its own, chose the Gripen in preference to France's Dassault Rafale and the US Boeing F18 Super Hornet. (Neither the Bae Typhoon nor the American Lockheed Martin F-35 reached the final round.)

The Gripen comes in several variants, including one for aircraft carriers, which raises the question – why was it not chosen for the two new Royal Navy aircraft carriers instead of the hideously expensive Lockheed Martin F-35 whose costs are still soaring?

For Argentina, the new aircraft will be more than a match for the present defences in and around the Falkland Islands. These consist of between four and five older-model Typhoon air defence fighters, and four or five Rapier air defence missile batteries, much like the ones that were first landed on the islands during fighting in 1982.

The garrison consists of a large company group of soldiers, and two or three hundred members of the RAF. The Navy has two inshore patrol vessels, with a frigate and a nuclear attack submarine visiting occasionally.

For Britain, it will be tough to beef up the Falklands defences at a time of increasing budget cuts: the Treasury has just informed the Ministry of Defence that it will be seeking a further 7.5 per cent cut in next year's defence review.

The Tories are virtually committed to such a cut if they are re-elected next May. Yet the defence of the Falklands is part of the Margaret Thatcher hagiography and iconography. A Tory leader who bargains away sovereignty, allowing the Falklands to morph to the Malvinas, would be in trouble with the party, even today.

But it may be out of the hands of any British prime minister, whoever he or she may be, because Britain is more likely to be even more isolated than it was in 1982 if it comes to another scrap in the South Atlantic.

In 1982 Argentina was a military dictatorship with a terrible human rights record. Today democratic Argentina has the broad support of its Latin American allies, especially Brazil.

Nor is any present or future US administration guaranteed to back Britain in a further spat with Argentina. In 1982, remember, some in the Reagan administration such as his UN ambassador Jean Kirkpatrick sympathised with Argentina.

American indifference - or worse - could matter in one crucial respect. In eight years' time, when our principal advanced strike aircraft will be the Lockheed Martin F-35, the US will be vital for maintenance of these aircraft, including the management of critical software codes.

All of this should be a warning to the UK government to start doing something to resolve the Falklands issue with due haste – before it becomes another victim of Cameron's foreign policy philosophy: just in time, but never just good enough.
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Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/61045/falklands-war-2-argentina-s-new-fighters-a-serious-threat#ixzz3HVyhdIOT

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

New arms threat: Argentina's £3billion boost to military

BRITISH military chiefs were last night "carefully monitoring" developments after Argentina announced a £3billion revamp of its armed forces.

By: Marco Giannangeli
Published: Sun, February 23, 2014 


Buenos Aires will acquire military hardware including fighter aircraft, ­anti-aircraft weapons and specialised radar, as well as beefing up its special forces.

The news comes months before drilling for oil ­begins in earnest off the Falkland Islands, provoking ­Argentina's struggling President Cristina ­Fernandez de ­Kirchner.

Last month she created a new cabinet post of Secretary for the Malvinas, her country's name for the Falklands.

Meanwhile, Defence Secretary Philip Hammond has refused to confirm that Britain would retake the Falklands if they were overrun by enemy forces.

The extra cash means Argentina will ­increase defence spending by 33.4 per cent this year, the biggest rise in its history. It will include £750million for 32 ­procurement and modernisation programmes.

They will include medium tanks and transport aircraft and the refurbishment of warships and submarines. The shopping list also ­includes Israeli air ­defence systems, naval assault craft, rocket systems, helicopters and a drone project.

There will be a range of hi-tech capabilities for the army and the formation of new commando and special ­forces units.

In August last year the Sunday Express revealed details of a contract to buy 20 French Mirage fighter jets from Spain, giving Argentina the ability to attack Port Stanley airfield with laser guided bombs.


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We're just waiting for a rig, which isn't easy to organise in the South Atlantic, ­before we can escalate to the next stage,

A source

Sources from British oil and gas firm Rockhopper Exploration confirmed serious drilling could begin in a few months. Its Sea Lion field is thought to have 394 million barrels of oil.

"We're just waiting for a rig, which isn't easy to organise in the South Atlantic, ­before we can escalate to the next stage," said the source. President de Kirchner's new Malvinas Secretary Daniel Filmus sent over 200 letters to oil firms threatening fines of up to $1.5billion and 15-year-jail terms if they drilled without consent.

Though the threats have no validity in international law, it is seen as an example of the lengths the president will go to in order to bolster domestic political ­support.

Britain has strengthened its defences of the islands, with four RAF Eurofighter Typhoons and 600 troops. A Royal Navy nuclear submarine armed with Tomahawk cruise missiles visits twice a year.

Senior military sources told the Sunday Express they were "carefully monitoring" the situation. The real fear, however, is a raid by Argentinian special forces aimed at damaging Port Stanley's runway.

Admiral Lord West, who was at the helm of HMS Ardent when she was sunk in the Falklands War, said: "Any major increase in defence expenditure by Argentina must be viewed with concern. I am concerned that, without any ­aircraft carriers, we are incapable of ­recapturing them."

He said Britain's new carriers will not be operational until 2020 and until then Argentina had a window of opportunity.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/461327/New-arms-threat-Argentina-s-3billion-boost-to-military

[Lynxian]

Mooie instelling. Alleen jammer dat deze werkelijkheid er nu is. En daar leven we nu middenin. Maar succes met Utopia   

De huidige werkelijkheid kan aangepast worden met de juiste middelen. Dat is waar merendeel van de discussies op dit forum over gaan. Als we hier een forum zouden hebben over defensie werkelijkheid dan zou je maximaal 3 topics hebben. Ook zo'n lege boel.

[Ton de Zwart]

Geloof maar niet, dat Nederland ooit, onder welke omstandigheid dan ook, een ander land daadwerkelijk te hulp zal komen.  Hooguit de Amerikanen omdat men om allerlei redenen bij hen een bruine arm wil halen.  Maar dan nooit of te nimmer in directe gevechten.  Alleen vanaf een afstandje, op een veilige plek of na afloop om "de orde te handhaven", waterputten te slaan en schooltjes te schilderen.

Vanwege die VOC mentaliteit waar Balkenende het over had.    :lol:

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Evenzo met 1 AGGP welke ingedeeld was bij de UKNL Landingforce.  Zelfs een diep verborgen Nederlandse uitwisselingsofficier werd gevonden en van het schip geplukt waarmee hij met zijn organieke eenheid op weg was naar Ascension. (tussenhaven op weg naar Falklands)
Van je vrienden moet je het maar hebben, zullen de Britten wel gedacht hebben.

En dat was dan begin jaren tachtig.... nog ruim in de tijd van de koude oorlog, kan je nagaan hoe de attitude vandaag de dag is. 

[Ton de Zwart]

In 1982 zat er een Nl mariniers cie ingedeeld bij 45 commando(whiskey cie).
45 commando ging naar de Falklands 3x raden welke cie er niet meeging.
Nederlanders geplaatst op de schepen werden asap overgeplaatst,hetzelfde met de golfoorlog in 90/91.
Nl en helpen ja naar de kloten.

Evenzo met 1 AGGP welke ingedeeld was bij de UKNL Landingforce.  Zelfs een diep verborgen Nederlandse uitwisselingsofficier werd gevonden en van het schip geplukt waarmee hij met zijn organieke eenheid op weg was naar Ascension. (tussenhaven op weg naar Falklands)
Van je vrienden moet je het maar hebben, zullen de Britten wel gedacht hebben.

[DvdW]

Met die instelling wel, ja. Ik heb het niet over hoe het nu gaat, ik heb het over hoe het zou moeten gaan. De werkelijkheid kan me dan geen ene bal schelen.

Mooie instelling. Alleen jammer dat deze werkelijkheid er nu is. En daar leven we nu middenin. Maar succes met Utopia   

[cabez]

In 1982 zat er een Nl mariniers cie ingedeeld bij 45 commando(whiskey cie).
45 commando ging naar de Falklands 3x raden welke cie er niet meeging.
Nederlanders geplaatst op de schepen werden asap overgeplaatst,hetzelfde met de golfoorlog in 90/91.
Nl en helpen ja naar de kloten.

[Lynxian]

Mensen zijn goede vrienden van elkaar, landen niet (meer). Sorry als ik jouw zeepbel lek prik maar it aint gonna happen. Het is ieder voor zich, en als ik er beter van wordt dan doe ik mee. Zaken als vriendschap, loyaliteit en eer zijn al jaren geleden op vakantie gegaan...

Met die instelling wel, ja. Ik heb het niet over hoe het nu gaat, ik heb het over hoe het zou moeten gaan. De werkelijkheid kan me dan geen ene bal schelen.

Ik vind nog steeds dat we met de UK en Frankrijk een verdedigingsverdrag op moeten stellen voor onze overzeese gebiedsdelen.

En wat dragen wij bij wat die twee landen nog niet hebben? Het is dan gewoon weer een verdrag dat luie Nederlandse politici kunnen uitzuigen, zoals ze dat nu ook bij de NAVO doen.