Expansie drift Iraanse marine

[Ace1]

Als de Iraanse Marine schepen zich toch op de Atlantische Oceaan bevinden, hoop ik gelijk dat ze last gaan krijgen van een orkaan, zodat ze het uit in hun hoofd laten om zich  in de toekomst weer op de Atlantische Oceaan te laten zien.

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Special Report

Keep navy at home, U.S. tells Iran

Published: Sept. 29, 2011 at 11:47 AM

Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (R) is seen during the delivery of the first indigenously designed and developed guided-missile destroyer Jamaran in southern Iran, on February 19, 2010. This handout photo was made available by the official website of Khamenei. UPI/HO

WASHINGTON, Sept. 29 (UPI) -- The Iranians should maintain their military focus on counter-piracy efforts off their own coast, the U.S. State Department said.

The official Islamic Republic News Agency quoted a senior Iranian navy official this week as suggesting military ships might flex their muscles outside their area of influence.

"Just like the global hegemony that is present near our marine borders, we ... also plan to establish a strong presence near U.S. marine borders," the IRNA quoted Rear Adm. Habibollah Sayyari as saying Tuesday.

Victoria Nuland, a spokeswoman for the State Department, said the Iranian navy was limited in "size and capability" and therefore should focus on military challenges closer to home.


GALLERY: 2011 Iranian Defense Week

This, she added, included "reducing the potential for naval incidents in the (Persian) Gulf and playing a constructive role in freedom of navigation and maritime issues at home and helping to counteract piracy in the Gulf of Aden, which is a far more close-to-home issue for them."

Her comments followed claims Wednesday by Iranian military officials that domestically manufactured cruise ships were sent by the Iranian military to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps and the Iranian navy.

Tehran had wanted Russia's S-300 missile defense system to protect its nuclear installations from a possible aerial attack by the Israelis. Moscow last year prohibited the sale of military equipment to Iran because of sanctions, however.


© 2011 United Press International, Inc.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2011/09/29/Keep-navy-at-home-US-tells-Iran/UPI-66381317311257/#ixzz1ZPd6JZs1

[KapiteinRob]

Waarom zouden ze het niet doen? Er vliegen al zeer regelmatig Iraanse vliegtuigen rechtstreeks op Venezuela. Waarom dan niet een schip sturen?  Dan kunnen ze van daar uit zeggen dat ze voor de kust van de VS liggen en vervolgens terug dobberen. Niets aan de hand, maar klinkt leuk. 

Een land dat zich bezig houdt met raketten en (n.a.w.) nucleaire wapens dat met regelmaat voor je kust gaat varen zou ik wel degelijk scherp in de gaten houden. Dat gezegd hebbende, hebben die lieden uit Iran overigens het volste recht dit te doen......

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Iran Mass-Produces New Missile and Rejects 'Hot Line' Idea With America

Iranian President's Office, via Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran unveiling the new missile 'Qader' at a news conference in August in Tehran.

By RICK GLADSTONE

Published: September 28, 2011

Iran announced the mass production of a new cruise missile on Wednesday, the latest in a series of belligerent-sounding proclamations from that country in the face of its increased isolation by a Western-led group of nations worried about Iran's nuclear program and avowed hostility toward Israel.

Brig. Gen. Ahmad Vahidi, Iran's defense minister, said the new missile, first unveiled a month ago and known as the Qader, which means Able in Farsi, had been mass-produced "as quickly as possible," the country's state-run media reported. The missile, designed to destroy warships and coastal targets, has a range of about 125 miles, the media said.

The announcement coincided with front-page headlines in a number of Iranian newspapers quoting the head of Iran's navy, Rear Adm. Habibollah Sayyari, as saying he intended to deploy Iranian warships close to the Atlantic coast of the United States to reciprocate for the patrols in the Persian Gulf by the United States Navy's Fifth Fleet. The patrols are a constant source of irritation to Iran.

"Like the arrogant powers that are present near our marine borders, we will also have a powerful presence close to American marine borders," the official Islamic Republic News Agency quoted him as saying.

The admiral gave no indication when such deployments might happen or how many ships he intended to dispatch. Nor was there any explanation of how the vessels, thousands of miles from home in unfriendly territory, might refuel or replenish supplies.

Obama administration officials downplayed the Iranian admiral's remarks. Jay Carney, the White House spokesman, told reporters in Washington that the United States did not take them seriously "given that they do not at all reflect Iran's naval capabilities."

In another slap at the United States, General Vahidi also rejected any thought of creating a telephone hotline between Tehran and Washington. The idea that was floated a few weeks ago by Adm. Mike Mullen, the outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as a way of avoiding an accidental confrontation in the Persian Gulf, where American and Iranian naval vessels and aircraft sometimes operate within sight of each other.

Admiral Mullen noted that even "in the darkest days of the Cold War" the United States and Soviet Union had such a relationship, and that he worried about the absence of a hot-line connection with Iran.

"We do not need such a line in the region," General Vahidi said, according to Iran's Fars News Agency. "They are seeking to set up a hotline in order to solve any potential tensions, whereas we believe if they leave the region, there will be no tension."

His remarks may also have been an indirect slap at Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who endorsed the idea of a hot line when asked about it last week at a news conference at the end of his visit to the United Nations. Mr. Ahmadinejad's standing within Iran's hierarchy is in question because of his clashes with Parliament and the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Iran's latest military pronouncements come against a backdrop of continued foreign skepticism about its claims of peaceful nuclear energy development. Even Turkey, which has cordial relations with Iran, recently agreed to be one of the host countries for part of a new missile-interceptor system designed by the United States, which has expressed concern that Iran may be developing a nuclear weapon that can be delivered via a long-range missile.

Last week, American officials confirmed that the Obama administration had quietly provided Israel with bombs capable of destroying buried targets, including sites in Iran that could possibly house such a nuclear weapons program. Israel considers Iran its most dangerous enemy, and had been pressuring the United States for a supply of the so-called "bunker-busting" bombs .

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/29/world/middleeast/iran-mass-produces-new-missile-rejects-hot-line-idea-with-america.html

[VandeWiel]

Lamenielache... "powerful presence"...

Anderzijds... als het allemaal zelfmoordkandidaten zijn kunnen ze idd wel wat schade aanrichten ginder.
je weet maar nooit met die gekken.

Ahmadinejad en Co zouden beter eens wat beginnen na te denken over hun eigen positie en deze vergelijken met wat in andere Arabische landen gebeurd is/aan het gebeuren is.
Of misschien is dat nu juist de reden zijn waarom ze met dit "powerful presence" idee komt aandraven...

Waarom zouden ze het niet doen? Er vliegen al zeer regelmatig Iraanse vliegtuigen rechtstreeks op Venezuela. Waarom dan niet een schip sturen?  Dan kunnen ze van daar uit zeggen dat ze voor de kust van de VS liggen en vervolgens terug dobberen. Niets aan de hand, maar klinkt leuk. 

[ARM-WAP]

Lamenielache... "powerful presence"...

Anderzijds... als het allemaal zelfmoordkandidaten zijn kunnen ze idd wel wat schade aanrichten ginder.
je weet maar nooit met die gekken.

Ahmadinejad en Co zouden beter eens wat beginnen na te denken over hun eigen positie en deze vergelijken met wat in andere Arabische landen gebeurd is/aan het gebeuren is.
Of misschien is dat nu juist de reden zijn waarom ze met dit "powerful presence" idee komt aandraven...

[Elzenga]

Iran planning to send ships near U.S. waters
By the CNN Wire Staff
September 28, 2011 -- Updated 1620 GMT (0020 HKT)

    State-run news agency says there will be a "powerful presence" near U.S. borders
    Adm. Habibollah Sayari made the announcement

(CNN) -- Iran plans to send ships near the Atlantic coast of the United States, state-run Islamic Republic News Agency reported Tuesday, quoting a commander.

"The Navy of the Iranian Army will have a powerful presence near the United States borders," read the headline of the story, in Farsi.

"Commander of the Navy of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Iran broke the news about the plans for the presence of this force in the Atlantic Ocean and said that the same way that the world arrogant power is present near our marine borders, we, with the help of our sailors who follow the concept of the supreme jurisprudence, shall also establish a powerful presence near the marine borders of the United States," the story said. The reference to the "world arrogant power" was presumably intended to refer to the United States.

IRNA cited the force's website as saying that the announcement was made by Adm. Habibollah Sayari on the 31st anniversary of the Iran-Iraq war.
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State-run Press TV said Sayari had announced similar plans in July. In February, two Iranian Navy ships traversed the Suez Canal in the first such voyages by Iranian ships since 1979.

U.S. Defense Department officials had no immediate reaction to Tuesday's announcement. The United States has deployed fleets to the Persian Gulf in the past.

State-run Press TV, citing IRNA, said Tuesday's announcement came as Iran also plans to send its 16th fleet of warships to the Gulf of Aden to protect Iranian vessels and oil tankers from pirates, who have hijacked dozens of ships and exchanged their crews for ransom.

The Islamic Republic has repeatedly assured that its military might poses no threat to other countries, stating that Tehran's defense doctrine is based only on deterrence, Press TV reported in a story in July about the deployment of submarines to international waters.

CNN's Barbara Starr contributed to this report
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/27/world/meast/iran-navy/

[Lex]

Iran's Navy Commander Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari says the Islamic Republic plans to send its submarines on 90-day missions to international waters.

Dat zou geen probleem hoeven zijn, als er de benodigde logistieke ondersteuning is.

[Lex]

Iran to send submarines to intl. waters

Iran's Navy Commander Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari says the Islamic Republic plans to send its submarines on 90-day missions to international waters.

On June 7, Iran deployed its Younes submarine, alongside the warships of Iran's Navy 14th fleet, in the Red Sea to conduct maritime surveillance operations.

The submarine returned home on July 4 following its 68-day mission in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden.

The deployment of the Younes submarine was the first such operation by Iran's Navy in distant waters.

Youes submarine "could finish its 68-day mission in international waters with full preparation despite all sanctions [imposed against Iran] and through the efforts of domestic specialists," Sayyari said on Saturday.

The Iranian Navy commander added that the Younes submarine could set a new record in regard with the length of submarines missions in the international waters.

In June, Iran deployed its submarines in the Red Sea to conduct maritime surveillance operations.

Deputy Commander of Iran's naval forces Admiral Amir Farhadi said In April that the Islamic Republic was building a 500-ton submarine that would join the Army's naval fleet by July 2012.

Four 120-ton Ghadir submarines joined the Iranian naval fleet on the country's southern coast last August.

In recent years, Iran has made important breakthroughs in its defense sector and attained self-sufficiency in producing important military equipment and systems.

The Islamic Republic has repeatedly assured that its military might poses no threat to other countries, stating that Tehran's defense doctrine is based only on deterrence.

Press TV,
Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:5AM GMT

[Elzenga]

Ik denk dat er maar een paar NATO marines zijn die niet zijn opgewassen tegen een Iraans fregat dat ronddobbert op de Atlantic.

En nu een "Kilo-sub" die ergens in die enorme plas water zou "hangen"........ 

Dan blijven er niet veel NATO landen meer over nee. Al zoude veel het nog wel kunnen, als ze heel hard hun best doen en een sprintje trekken, maar dat is natuurlijk niet de manier om een wat langdurigere strijd te winnen.

Dat wordt dan aankloppen bij onze Oosterburen...of ze wat wij aan hen verkocht hebben willen inzetten. Die aan de Westelijke kant hebben hun ASW toestellen namelijk net verschroot....

[KapiteinRob]

Ik denk dat er maar een paar NATO marines zijn die niet zijn opgewassen tegen een Iraans fregat dat ronddobbert op de Atlantic.

En nu een "Kilo-sub" die ergens in die enorme plas water zou "hangen"........ 

[ARM-WAP]

Het bericht alleen al zorgt voor reacties, laat staan als het land daadwerkelijk "show the flag in the Atlantic" gaat uitvoeren.
Daarnaast wat is er op tegen?
Het is open zee en dus voor eenieder toegankelijk.

...zelfs de Roemeense marine moeten lukken om dat ding naar de kelder te jagen...

Hun twee 2dehandse Type22's hebben anders genoeg gekost en Bae heeft er alleen maar een 76mm voor hen op gezet... Geen Sea Wolf, geen SSMs...
Echter, de Roemenen hebben volgens mij niet te veel te vrezen van de Iraanse propagandastunt. De Zwarte zee zullen ze wel rechts laten liggen op hun tocht door de Med richting Atlantische Oceaan...

Mss zit er idd wel een bezoekje in aan Venezuela... En Curacao... kunnen ze daar wat petroleumdollars uitgeven in Little Switserland :lol:

[Lex]

Ik zie het nut van Iraanse Marineschepen in de Atlantische Oceaan niet in, volgens mij kunnen ze deze beter in de Indische Oceaan inzetten, maar het zou goed kunnen dat ze met de Chinezen gaan samenwerken?

Het bericht alleen al zorgt voor reacties, laat staan als het land daadwerkelijk "show the flag in the Atlantic" gaat uitvoeren.
Daarnaast wat is er op tegen?
Het is open zee en dus voor eenieder toegankelijk.

[Ace1]

Ik zie het nut van Iraanse Marineschepen in de Atlantische Oceaan niet in, volgens mij kunnen ze deze beter in de Indische Oceaan inzetten, maar het zou goed kunnen dat ze met de Chinezen gaan samenwerken?

[Lex]

Een hand vol Kilo's kan het scheepvaartverkeer in de PG behoorlijk lam leggen om nog maar niet te spreken over welk drama ze kunnen veroorzaken in de Atlantische Oceaan of in de monding van de Nieuwe Waterweg.

Ik denk dat je vwb die Kilo's je niet druk hoeft te maken over Rotterdam. Het grootste deel van de Noordzee is te ondiep om daar met zo'n sub te opereren.