Is Noord korea in staat om een anval van de US te weerstaan?

Gestart door demian, 10/08/2005 | 00:17 uur

BE_Maarten

Noord Korea zal weinig aan die artillerie hebben, zelfs al staan ze klaar in bunkers. Een stellingenoorlog verliezen ze gegarandeerd.

Het enige waarin Noord Korea het kan halen is guerillia.

Waarom de Koreaanse oorlog stokte tot waar nu de grens is tussen de 2 Korea's? -> China steunde Noord Korea. Ik vraag me af in hoeverre China NK nog zou steunen... Als ze het niet doen, dan zal Korea snel onder de voet gelopen zijn (guerillia is iets anders). Maar als China zich komt moeien....  :uglystupid2:

Balic

En hoeveel Mig's zijn er, soms is in de meerderheid zijn beter/belangrijker dan ervaring/goed materieel, mooiste voorbeeld zijn nog altijd de Russen in WWII die met een overvloed aan tanks gehakt maakte van de Duitse (betere) tanks.

Offenbach

Citaat van: Jefferson op 18/08/2005 | 09:36 uur
Als ze niet zwaar in de minderheid zijn  :idiot2:

Er zijn geloof ik pas twee F-22 squadrons operationeel..

Balic

Als ze niet zwaar in de minderheid zijn  :idiot2:

Offenbach

Citaat van: rocco2000 op 18/08/2005 | 00:37 uur
ik weet denk ik wel wat die F-22 met de MIG 21 gaat doen.. :knuppel2:

Totally crush them !!  ;D

rocco2000

ik weet denk ik wel wat die F-22 met de MIG 21 gaat doen.. :knuppel2:
vrijwillig, niet vrijblijvend

Offenbach

Misschien mag de F-22 zijn langverwachte debuut maken... :knuppel2:
Tevens zal de X-45 over ca. 5 jaar operationeel zijn.

demian

i) Artillery
 
North Korea has 2 artillery corps and 30 artillery brigades equipped with 120mm self-propelled guns, 152mm self-propelled mortars, 170mm guns with a range of 50 km, 240 mm multiple rocket launchers with a range of 45 km, and other heavy guns. North Korea has about 18,000 heavy guns. North Korea's 170mm Goksan gun and 240mm multiple-tube rocket launchers are the most powerful guns of the world. These guns can lob shells as far south as Suwon miles beyond Seoul. The big guns are hidden in caves. Many of them are mounted on rails and can fire in all directions. They can rain 500,000 conventional and biochemical shells per hour on US troops near the DMZ. The US army bases at Yijong-bu, Paju, Yon-chun, Munsan, Ding-gu-chun, and Pochun will be obliterated in a matter of hours.

North Korea has developed tanks ideally suited for the many rivers and mountains of Korea. These tanks are called "Chun-ma-ho", which can navigate steep slopes and cross rivers as much as 5.5 m deep. North Korea's main battle tanks - T-62s - have 155 mm guns and can travel as fast as 60 km per hour. The US main tanks - M1A - have 120 mm guns and cannot travel faster than 55 km per hour. North Korean tanks have skins 700 mm thick and TOW-II is the only anti-tank missile in the US arsenal that can penetrate this armored skin.

North Korea is the world most-tunneled nation. North Korea's expertise in digging tunnels for warfare was demonstrated during the Vietnam War. North Korea sent about 100 tunnel warfare experts to Vietnam to help dig the 250 km tunnels for the North Vietnamese and Viet Gong troops in South Vietnam. The tunnels were instrumental in the Vietnamese victory.
 
North Korea's army runs on company-size units. Tunnel warfare is conducted by independent company-size units. Tunnel entrances are built to withstand US chemical and biological attacks. Tunnels run zig-zag and have seals, air-purification units, and safe places for the troops to rest. It is believed that North Korea has built about 20 large tunnels near the DMZ. A large tunnel can transport 15,000 troops per hour across the DMZ and place them behind the US troops.

North Korea has the largest special forces, 120,000 troops, in the world. These troops are grouped into light infantry brigades, attack brigades, air-borne brigades, and sea-born brigades - 25 brigades in total. These troops will be tasked to attack US military installations in Korea, Japan, Okinawa and Guam.
 
North Korea has the capacity to transport 20,000 special force troops at the same time. North Korea has 130 high-speed landing crafts and 140 hovercrafts. A North Korean hovercraft can carry one platoon of troops at 90 km per hour. Western experts pooh-pooh North Korea's ancient AN-2 transport planes as 1948 relics, but AN-2 planes can fly low beneath US radars and deliver up to 10 troops at 160 km per hour. North Korea makes AN-2s and has about 300 in place. In addition, North Korea has hang-gliders that can carry 5-20 men each for short hops.
 
North Korea has developed special bikes for mountain warfare. Special forces use these bikes for fast deployments on mountains. Switzerland is the only other nation that has bike-mounted special forces trained for mountain warfare. The rugged terrains of the Korean Peninsula are ideally suited for special forces operations. North Korea's special forces will attack US targets in Japan, Okinawa, and Guam as well. Japan's self defense units are being reorganized to counter this threat.
 
How good are North Korea's special forces? In September 1996, a North Korean submarine was stranded near Kang-nung and the crew were forced to abandon the ship and land on South Korea. The sub had two special forces agents who had finished a mission in South Korea and were picked up by the sub before the sub ran into a rock. The two men fought off an army of South Korean troops and remained at large for 50 days, during which they killed 11 of the pursuers.

North Korea began to build fortifications in 1960s. All key military facilities are built underground to withstand American bunker-buster bombs. North Korea has 8,236 underground facilities that are linked by 547 km of tunnels. Beneath Pyongyang are a huge underground stadium and other facilities. About 1.2 million tons of food, 1.46 million tons of fuel, and 1.67 million tons of ammunition are stored in underground storage areas for wartime use.
 
Most of the underground facilities are drilled into granite rocks and the entrances face north in order to avoid direct hits by American bombs and missiles. The B-61 Mod 11 is the main bunker buster in the US arsenal. A recent test showed that this buster could penetrate only 6 meters of rock. The latest GBU-28 laser-guided bunker-buster can penetrate to 30m. North Korean bunkers have at least 80 m of top-cover of solid rocks. North Korea has many false caves that emit heats that will misdirect unwary GBU-28/37 and BKU-113 bunker-busters.

North Korea has two fleets - the West Fleet and the East Fleet. The West Fleet has 6 squadrons of 320 ships and the East Fleet has 10 squadron of 460 ships. The navy has a total manpower of 46,000. North Korean ships are sheltered from US attacks in about 20 bunkers of 200-900 m longs and 14-22 m wide. North Korean ships are small and agile, designed for coastal defense. North Korean ships carry 46km range ship-to-ship missiles and 22-channel multiple rocket launchers.
 
The main enemy of the North Korean navy will be US carrier task forces. The Russian navy has developed a tactic to deal with US carriers task forces: massive simultaneous missile attacks. In addition, Russia has developed the anti-carrier missile, "jun-gal", that can destroy a carrier. China has developed similar tactics for destroying US carriers. On April 1, 2003, North Korea test-fired a high-speed ground-to-ship missile of 60km range. A US carrier task force of Nimitz class has 6,000 men, 70 planes, and a price tag of 4.5 billion dollars. Destroying even a single career task force will be traumatic.
 
A carrier is protected by a shield of 6 Aegis destroyers and nuclear attack submarines. An Aegis destroyer has an AN/SPY-1 high-capacity radar system that can track more than 100 targets at the same time. An Aegis can fire about 20 anti-missile missiles at the same time. Thus, a career force can track a total of 600 targets at a time and fire 120 anti-missile missiles at the same time. The anti-missile missiles have about 50% success under ideal conditions. In actual battle situations, the hit rate will be much lower and the best estimate is that the Aegis shield can intercept at most 55 incoming missiles. Therefore, a volley of about 60 missiles and rockets will penetrate the Aegis shield and hit the career.
 
North Korea acquired OSA and KOMAR high-speed missile boats in 1968, and began to build its own missile boats in 1981. It has more than 50 missile boats, each equipped with 4 missiles of 46km range and multiple rocket launchers. In addition, North Korea has about 300 speed boats, 200 torpedo boats and 170 other gunboats. In case of war, North Korea's small crafts and submarines will swarm around US career task forces and destroy them.
 
North Korea has 35 submarines and 65 submersibles. These crafts are equipped with torpedoes and will be used to attack US careers. They will also lay mines and block enemy harbors. North Korea has a large supply of mines. North Korean submarines are small but they are equipped with 8km rocket launchers and 70km anti-ship missiles, and they could do some serious damage to US careers..
 
e. Air Combats
 
North Korea has three air commands. Each command has a fighter regiment, a bomber regiment, an AN-2 regiment, an attack helicopter regiment, a missile regiment, and a radar regiment. Each command can operate independently. North Korea has 70 airbases, which are fortified against US attacks. Underground hangars protect the planes and have multiple exits for the planes to take off on different runways. North Korea has several fake airfields and fake planes to confuse US attackers.
 
It is said that North Korea's planes are obsolete and no match for US planes. North Korea has 770 fighters, 80 bombers, 700 transports, 290 helicopters, and 84,000 men. In case of war, North Korean planes will fly low hugging the rugged terrains and attack enemy targets. US planes are parked above ground at bases in Korea, Japan, Okinawa and Guam, and make easy targets for missile, rocket and air attacks. When war breaks out, North Korean missiles, rockets and heavy guns will destroy the 8 US airbases in South Korea, and any plane in the air would have no place to land.
 
North Korea's fighter planes are ill-equipped for air-to-air combats at long distances. but they can hold their own in close-quarter air combats. MiG-21 fighters from Bongchun and US F-15 from Ohsan would meet in less than 5 min, assuming they took off at about the same time. In about 5 min, hundreds of MiG21s and F-15s would be swirling in the skies over Korea. Ground-to-air missiles and air-to-air missiles would have hard time telling friends from foes. F-15Es are equipped with a radar system that lock on at 180 km for large objects and 90 km for small objects. Sidewinder missiles have an effective range of 16km, AMRAAM missiles of 50km, and Sparrow of 55km.
 
Korea is 100 km wide and 125 km long, and so US air-to-air missiles would be of limited use and effectiveness, because North Korean MiGs would approach the US planes in close proximity and commingle with US planes, and air-to-air missiles will become useless and machines guns will have to be used. MiG19s have 30mm guns, MiG21s have 23mm guns, and F-14s have 20mm Valkans. North Korean pilots are trained to hug the enemy planes so that air-to-air missiles cannot be used. In contrast, US pilots are trained to lock on the enemy at long distance with radar and fire missiles. US planes are heavily armed with electronics and less agile than the light, lean MiGs that can climb and turn faster than the US planes.
 
F-14s are about 3.3 times heavier than MiG21s, and F-150Es are about 3.6 times heavier. MiG21s are 16.6 m long whereas F-14s are 19.1 m and F-15Es 19.43 m long. MiG21s cab climb to 18km, whereas F-1A can climb to 15.8 km and F-16 to 15.2 km. MiGs get upper hands in close-range dogfights in which agility matters. In Vietnam, US planes were forced to jettison auxiliary gas tanks and bombs in order to engage MiGs. F-150 E planes will carry BLU-113 bunker busters that weigh 2,250 kg each in the next war in Korea. Loaded with such a heavy bomb, F-15s will become easy targets for North Korea's MiGs. US fighter-bombers will be protected by F-15C fighter escorts.
 
MiG21s are North Korea's main workhorse. The MiG21 debuted in 1965 in Vietnam and proved itself as an effective attack fighter. In 1999, North Korea bought 40 MiG21s from Kazakhstan. During the Vietnam War, MiG17s shot down dozens of American planes. North Korea sent more than 200 pilots to fight in the Vietnam War. They were tasked to defend Hanoi and shot down scores of US planes. North Korea sent 25 pilots to Syria during the 3rd Arab-Israeli war of 1966, and 30 pilots to Egypt and Syria during the 4th Arab-Israeli war of 1973. In 1976, North Korea sent more than 40 pilots to Syria.
 
Zou dit dan waar kunnen zijn hoe zal de VS in dat geval reageren en met wat??

KapiteinRob

Ik heb trouwens artikelen over dat spionagevliegtuig al vaker onder ogen gehad, maar deze "Cobra Bell", is dat een propellor- of straalvliegtuig? In het eerste geval is het verder niet zo moeilijk om 'm te onderscheppen...

demian

Dus je denkt dat wat er in het document staat geen probleem is hoe gaan ze dan de problemen oplossen?

Offenbach

Ik moet Lenoir gelijk geven..wat staat er nou in het betreffende artikel??

Voorbeeld: First, the hostile planes waited for the US plane at the Uhrang airbase, located about 200 km from the point of air encounter. They knew that the US plane was coming. The North Korean planes flew 200 km to intercept the US plane. Did the US plane see them coming? If it did, why no evasive action? After intercepting the US plane, the hostile planes dogged it for 22 min. Why no American planes for the rescue?

wat zegt dit nu?? Op deze wijze weten de Amerikanen toch precies hoe de Koreaanse luchtverdediging werkt en wat de reactietijd is. Deden de Russen ook tijdens de Koude oorlog.
Voor de rest een artikel met punten waar de Amerikanen echt niet van wakker liggen..

KapiteinRob

Citaat van: MC Demian op 17/08/2005 | 14:58 uur
Citaat van: Lenoir op 17/08/2005 | 14:37 uur
En deze Han Ho Suk, Director Center for Korean Affairs, is natuurlijk een onafhankelijk en objectief persoon......

Het zou goed kunnen. ;)

Ik heb uit het stuk niet helemaal zeker kunnen stellen dat deze Han Ho Suk (om zijn achternaam de koppelen aan de inhoud van zijn artikel zou wel erg flauw zijn....) geen Noord-Koreaan is, maar ervan uitgaande dat hij een NK-functionaris is, denk ik niet dat-ie helemaal eerlijk/objectief is (kan zijn). Maar ja, wat wil je met een leider die alle opera's kan zingen en de telefoonnummers van z'n onderdanen uit z'n hoofd weet! Als je niet naar diens pijpen danst zit je à la minuut in een Koreaanse versie van een goelag!

demian

Citaat van: Lenoir op 17/08/2005 | 14:37 uur
Citaat van: MC Demian op 16/08/2005 | 22:54 uur
Hier staat het http://www.rense.com/general37/nkorr.htm

En deze Han Ho Suk, Director Center for Korean Affairs, is natuurlijk een onafhankelijk en objectief persoon......

Het zou goed kunnen. ;)

KapiteinRob

Citaat van: MC Demian op 16/08/2005 | 22:54 uur
Hier staat het http://www.rense.com/general37/nkorr.htm

En deze Han Ho Suk, Director Center for Korean Affairs, is natuurlijk een onafhankelijk en objectief persoon......

demian

Dat geschut hoeft niet meer verplaatst te worden omdat ze in bunkers staan net als de rest van let leger matriaal.

Hier staat het http://www.rense.com/general37/nkorr.htm en der zijn meer bronnen die het zeggen.
lees het maar ff goed door dan kan je zien waarom de vs KUNNEN verliezen.

Demian.