U(C)AV ontwikkelingen

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Kom maar op met de plannen!

Precies, ik laat me graag positief verrassen! 

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And Eric Trappier, his successor as Dassault chief executive, adds: "We are convinced that future combat aircraft will be built in this way, with collaboration between European states.

Kom maar op met de plannen!

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Neuron partners show off future-fighter know-how

8/2/2013

By:   Dominic Perry London

"Our Istres flight test centre," boasts Charles Edelstenne, outgoing chief executive of Dassault Aviation, "has seen the first flights of more than 100 prototypes over the last 60 years. It is part of the history of French aviation."

Most recently, on 1 December 2012, Istres was the location for the maiden sortie of Dassault's most ambitious project yet, the Neuron, an unmanned combat air vehicle (UCAV).

Conceived in 2003, the Neuron is a technology demonstrator programme to inform thinking for the combat aircraft of the 2030s. It has been designed and produced by the aerospace champions of six European nations - France, Italy, Greece, Sweden, Spain and Switzerland - on a total budget of €405 million ($543 million).

Dassault has been the prime contractor for the project - "the industrial leader" - and France's defence procurement agency, the DGA, has represented its counterparts across the continent.

The UCAV features a low-observable radar signature and can fly and acquire targets autonomously. During its 25min maiden sortie, it was not remotely piloted. Instead, the details of the flight had already been uploaded to its flight computer, which analyses around 200,000 individual parameters each second, says Dassault. It represents a number of firsts, says Edelstenne, including being the first European-developed stealthy fighter.

Neuron made its second flight on 19 December in front of journalists and representatives from Europe's governments and armed forces. While not whisper-quiet, noise attenuation means that it lacks the chest-rattling punch of the manned Dassault Rafale chase aircraft that takes off shortly beforehand.

Aside from influencing future projects, the Neuron programme has allowed industry to "master the new technologies" vital for a future fighter, "whether manned or unmanned", he says. It also provides engineers with a fresh challenge beyond the current generation of European aircraft which have reached production maturity. This will ensure valuable engineering skills are not allowed to fade away.

"It's always good to be involved in projects like this," says Nikos Vassilopoulos, general manager for commercial of Greece's Hellenic Aerospace Industry. "I wouldn't say we would be left behind if we were not involved, but it's a new programme featuring state-of-the-art technology... It's important for both the company and for Greece to be part of it - we don't want to miss the opportunity."

Hellenic's contribution to the 5t-class Neuron has been the design and manufacture of the UCAV's exhaust assembly, rear fuselage and avionics rig. So, argues Vassilopoulos, for a subcontractor like Hellenic, this represents a great way to promote its capabilities to the wider world, including potential future clients outside of Europe.

Other partners have slightly different motivations. Saab - which designed the Neuron's main fuselage, landing gear doors, avionics and fuel system - has a successful manned fighter programme in the Gripen, which has a backlog stretching out until at least the end of the decade. Nonetheless, the Swedish airframer recognises that this cannot last forever. "We see unmanned as the future for aviation as a whole," says Carl-Henrik Arvidsson, director and head of new business marketing and future products within Saab's aeronautics division.

Although he says some programmes, such as medium-altitude long-endurance UAVs, already appear to have momentum and there has been a willingness shown by governments to invest in them, he acknowledges that this is not the same for a UCAV: "The requirement will be driven from the government side seeing a need for a UCAV and that will be influenced by armed forces deciding what is required for the future."

For Alenia Aermacchi, Italy's representative on the programme, the rationale is simple: a fear of losing out to rivals from the USA and elsewhere. "Europe cannot keep buying off-the-shelf products from countries outside its borders. It is not only about having a European capability, but to sustain European industry," says chief executive Giuseppe Giordo. "We will need to invest in this area and to combine Europe's aerospace capability to develop programmes that can also be of interest to other markets."

Alenia's contribution to the Neuron is the design of its internal weapons bay, including an internal electro-optical/infrared sensor, the bay doors and their operating mechanisms, the electrical power and distribution system, and the air data system.

The two remaining partners are EADS' Spanish business, which produced the wings, ground station and data link integration, and Switzerland's Ruag, which has performed low-speed wind tunnel testing on the type and the interfaces between the aircraft and its weaponry.

What the multi-company effort has proved, argues Edelstenne, is that Europe's aerospace champions can work together successfully, provided they have the correct framework in place to avoid the "limitations" of existing models of collaboration. Aside from the concept of industrial and governmental leaders - the roles taken by Dassault and the DGA on the Neuron - a key stipulation of the programme was that the "contribution of the partners should be based on their existing competencies, not the ones they would like to acquire at a cost to the European taxpayer", says Edelstenne.

The Rolls-Royce Turbomeca Adour-powered Neuron will now embark on a two-year test campaign at Istres, before being transferred to the Visdel range in Sweden to undergo operational trials. It will later be moved to the Perdasdefogu range in Sardinia, Italy, for weapon-release tests. And after the test campaign... well, that's the key question. No-one is sure what will happen beyond 2014. There is no programme in place to leverage the Neuron's technology and Europe's financial crisis has ensured tight defence budgets for the foreseeable future.

Meanwhile, however, the UK's BAE Systems is continuing to develop its Taranis UCAV demonstrator, with a maiden flight pencilled in for this year. BAE and Dassault, of course, have signed a memorandum of understanding as part of the broader Franco-British Lancaster House treaty of 2010 to work together on a Future Combat Air System (FCAS) demonstrator. While Edelstenne is adamant that BAE will not be allowed to join the Neuron team, and points out that technology championed by both companies will instead "inform" the design of the FCAS.

"The Neuron has a certain number of partners and we have to go to the end of it. It is out of the question to bring in another partner," says Edelstenne. However, he does not rule out other parties adding their weight to the FCAS programme. Alenia boss Giordo has already indicated a willingness to participate, providing the Italian manufacturer is not handed a subordinate role by the current partners. "Clearly we will not enter with a secondary role," he says.

After the Neuron's 10min pre-programmed flight on 19 December, it landed with gentle applause from the assembled dignitaries, before being towed past hangared Mirages and Rafales to Dassault's facility on the other side of the airbase. It reappeared later as a backdrop to the press conference, looking uncannily like a museum exhibit.

Edelstenne is confident that the development process will not have been undertaken for nought. "In two years from now, the Neuron country team will have gathered a whole gamut of knowledge," he says. "It will be key for the development of the next generation of fighter aircraft, whether manned or unmanned."

And Eric Trappier, his successor as Dassault chief executive, adds: "We are convinced that future combat aircraft will be built in this way, with collaboration between European states.

"We are delighted to have been part of the adventure."

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/neuron-partners-show-off-future-fighter-know-how-382100/?cmpid=SOC%7CFGFG%7Ctwitterfeed%7CFlightglobal

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Ik ben er ook wel boos over hoe Amerika het met haar mores zover heeft kunnen laten komen dat drones zo vaak missies vliegen daar waar ze officieel geen oorlog voeren. Draai het eens om: Rusland bouwt een stealth drone en vliegt er mee richting Nederland. Maakt hier een politiek vluchteling onschadelijk en noemt hem een "terrorist". Op die manier kan een land nooit bescherming bieden. Rusland zegt dan 'sorry voor de troep. Hier heb je een vergoeding'. Dan kan je ze wel voor het internationaal gerechtshof dagen maar Rusland zal dan zeggen 'Amerika doet het ook al jaren en daar hebben jullie ook nooit protest tegen aangetekend'. Dan hebben ze ons als Europees land in de NAVO en VN mooi bij de ballen.

Ook door de slechte naam bestaat nu de kans dat aanschaf van drones door Nederland in de nabije toekomst een stuk kleiner is geworden. Een soort kruisraketten-discussie waarin de emoties het wonnen van wat rationeel een bruikbaar concept had geweest.



Drone 'vies woord' bij Verenigde Naties
Redactie − 07/02/13, 21:01  − bron: IPS

© afp. De amerikaanse MQ-1C Gray Eagle
'Drone' is een vies woord in het lexicon van de Verenigde Naties. Het doet denken aan de dodelijke onbemande vliegtuigen van de VS die erg controversiële aanvallen uitvoeren in de strijd tegen het terrorisme.

Toen de ondersecretaris-generaal voor Vredesmissies Herve Ladsous werd gevraagd naar de plannen van de Verenigde Naties om drones in te zetten in de Democratische Republiek Congo (DRC), protesteerde hij tegen het gebruik van het woord 'drone' vanwege de militaire connotatie.

"Ik zou het woord drones niet gebruiken", zei hij gisteren tegen journalisten. Hij gaf de voorkeur aan "onbemande vliegtuigjes", of UAV's (unmanned aerial vehicles). Ladsous zei dat de VN van plan waren onbewapende UAV's in te zetten, alleen voor surveillance en met uitdrukkelijke toestemming van de regeringen van DRC en buurlanden.

"We zullen zien hoe dit experiment uitpakt", zei hij. Hij voegde eraan toe dat de Verenigde Naties ervoor open staan om alle verzamelde informatie te delen met regionale organen in Afrika, dus niet alleen met VN-commandanten.

De VN-Veiligheidsraad stemde vorig jaar november in met de inzet van onbewapende drones in de Democratische Republiek Congo. Het is de bedoeling dat de onbemande vliegtuigjes de bewegingen van gewapende groepen registreren ter ondersteuning van de 17.500 man tellende Stabilisatiemissie van de VN (Monusco) in DRC. Maar sommige VN-diplomaten vrezen dat de drones uiteindelijk bewapend zullen worden, als het conflict in Congo verergert.

Burgerslachtoffers
De drones die de Verenigde Staten gebruiken zijn volledig bewapend en het gebruik ervan resulteerde in de dood van zowel verdachte terroristen als burgers in landen zoals Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalië en Jemen. Volgens gepubliceerde rapporten gebruiken of produceren meer dan veertig landen drones.

Larry Dickerson, deskundige op het gebied van defensiesystemen bij Forecast International,een marktonderzoeksbureau, zegt dat naast de Verenigde Staten een groot aantal landen drones produceert. Het gaat onder meer om Groot-Brittannië, Israël, Frankrijk, Duitsland, Polen, Tsjechië, Canada, Griekenland, Bulgarije, Spanje, Italië, Rusland, China, Zuid-Korea, Oostenrijk, India, Zuid-Afrika, Japan en Singapore.

Ben Emmerson, een Britse advocaat en speciale VN-rapporteur voor mensenrechten en antiterrorisme, is bezig met een onderzoek naar de inzet van drones. Hij concentreert zich daarbij op 25 aanvallen met drones in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Jemen, Somalië en de Palestijnse gebieden (door Israëlische drones), en waarbij sprake was van burgerslachtoffers.

Het rapport zal naar verwachting in oktober of november gepresenteerd worden aan de Algemene Vergadering van de VN. Secretaris-generaal Ban Ki-moon van de VN zegt zich zorgen te maken over het gebruik van bewapende drones voor doelgerichte moorden. De acties zouden vragen doen rijzen over het fundamentele principe waarbij onderscheid wordt gemaakt tussen strijders en niet-strijders.

Volgens Amnesty International zijn er alleen in Pakistan in de afgelopen paar jaar zo'n driehonderd aanvallen met drones geteld. Daarbij kwamen zowel burgers als verdachte militanten om.
http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/4496/Buitenland/article/detail/3390253/2013/02/07/Drone-vies-woord-bij-Verenigde-Naties.dhtml

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Elbit Systems Introduces its Hermes® 900 UAS in a New Configuration for the Maritime Mission

Maritime surveillance requirements are demanding specific capabilities and performance such as mission endurance, flight profiles, mission equipment and human factors. Until recently, such missions were performed exclusively by aircraft – some dedicated for the maritime surveillance mission, with others using off-the-shelf transport planes modified for the mission. These missions typically demand coverage of very wide areas, monitoring extensive maritime traffic, as well as deployment in unexpected conditions, in response to emergencies or on search and rescue missions. Therefore, the need for efficient development of a maritime situational picture is critical, enabling the deployment of the few available aerial assets to cover only those areas or targets of significance.

The introduction of unmanned aircraft platforms is changing this paradigm, removing the limitations that have restricted manned missions, while introducing new capabilities that significantly enhance operational flexibility and efficiency of maritime control. This capability is specifically important in recent years, as countries are required to cover growing maritime areas claimed by the Economical Exclusion Zones (EEZ) that span up to 200 nautical miles from their coastline or farthest island. In the case of India, for example, such area covers a huge expanse of the Indian Ocean, bordering Indonesia in the east to Somalia in the west. A country cannot cover such vast space from its coastal radar stations, nor can it commit manned patrol flights to cover the entire area.

At Aero-India 2013 Elbit Systems is introducing its newest and largest unmanned aircraft system (UAS) - Hermes® 900 in a new configuration adapted for maritime mission. This UAS can carry payloads of up to 350 kg. In the maritime configuration the payload suite includes maritime surveillance radar, AIS, an electro-optical multi-sensor payload and electronic surveillance systems. It has the endurance to cover vast ocean areas, redundant line-of-sight and satellite communications links and radio relay, enabling the operator to 'talk through' to vessels at sea. The aerodynamic efficiency of the Hermes® 900 enables frequent changes in flight profiles, enabling visual identification of vessels at sea in addition to the ISAR capability provided by the radar. Satellite communication enables it to fly to mission areas at extended ranges as far as 1000 nautical miles from shore.

A unique capability supported by Elbit Systems command and control systems is the ability to control two UAS simultaneously from a single ground control station, using the two redundant data-links. This has a significant effect on the assets, manpower and operating cost, as well as in improving the efficient utilization of UAS that can now cover more area or run a denser surveillance over a given area. The maritime command and control system employed at the ground control is optimized for the maritime mission, supporting specific mission planning applications such as maritime search, Search and Rescue, etc. The entire command and control is located in a single shelter, which can be operated on shore in a mobile shelter base or indoor configurations at sea or co-located in several locations.

Recognizing the extraordinary challenge of monitoring the Indian EEZ and vast shoreline, Elbit Systems has teamed with Windward Ltd. – in order to tackle this challenge from a different point of view and offer a unique solution to the Indian Authorities.

MarInt, Windward's proprietary satellite-based maritime analytics system is capable of covering any area of interest, delivering insightful maritime domain awareness with diverse applications such as EEZ monitoring, illegal fishery monitoring, regional traffic analysis and port traffic management.

By leveraging multiple earth observation satellites and other readily available data sources, MarInt overcomes data overload and conducts multi-source data integration, applying contextual and geo-specific behavior and discrepancy analysis to generate actionable insights.

MarInt performs deep behavior analysis on each ship searching for irregularities and discrepancies, under the assumption that active ship transmissions may be intentionally misleading. Vessel behavior is analyzed to detect anomalous and suspicious behavior, which differs from routine maritime patterns, and could indicate to illicit activities. Bottom line, MarInt is able to tell you where is the perpetrator you didn't even know was there.

A unique solution presented at Aero India for the first time globally, is the combination of our UAS with MarInt - a maritime analytics system - as the search light for UAS operations. The use of unmanned assets with MarInt can empower Navy, coast guard, customs, environmental monitoring and other authorities in better enforcing laws and regulations in their territorial waters and EEZ, providing them with powerful means to take legal action and recover lost assets, thus deterring offenders from repeating such violations. Operating 24/7, MarInt reveals areas of suspicious activities and pinpoints anomalous vessels. This enables tasking of unmanned assets such as UAS to patrol the designated areas, identify and track the suspicious vessels, significantly optimizing aerial patrol and increasing mission effectiveness while reducing cost.

Zie oor de plaatjes de link:

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=870

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Big brother is watching you......

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Filmpje toont impressionante mogelijkheden van spionagedrones

Door: Stig Geukens
28/01/13 - Bron: Gizmodo

Darpa, een onderzoeksinstituut voor het Amerikaanse ministerie van Defensie, heeft in een filmpje getoond wat de mogelijkheden van de huidige spionagedrones zijn. De drones hebben een 1,8 gigapixelcamera waarmee zowel foto's als livebeelden kunnen worden doorgestuurd.

De spionagedrones van het type Argus-IS beschikken momenteel over een camera die plaatjes van 1,8 gigapixels kan schieten. Die kan zowel foto's als livebeelden doorsturen.

Het spionagesysteem kan op een hoogte van 5,3 kilometer de meeste bewegende objecten volgen. Ze kunnen zelfs verschillende auto's en voetgangers van elkaar onderscheiden. Ook vogels zijn op de beelden te herkennen.

Intussen wordt er gewerkt aan een nieuwe versie met een camera van 2,3 gigapixels.

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/4124/Multimedia/article/detail/1569823/2013/01/28/Amerikaanse-Defensie-toont-mogelijkheden-van-spionagedrones.dhtml

Voor het must see filmpje:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGxNyaXfJsA&feature=player_embedded

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Kamerbrief over onderzoek CAVV naar inzet drones

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Kamerstuk : Kamerbrief | 21-01-2013 | BZ, Defensie

Brief van minister Timmermans (BZ) aan de Tweede Kamer over de adviesaanvraag aan de Commissie van Advies inzake Volkenrechtelijke Vraagstukken (CAVV) inzake de inzet van drones.

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Britse UAV klaar voor eerste vlucht

Geschreven op 15 januari 2013 door AK

Bij onbemande vliegtuigen denk je aan de Amerikanen. Maar de nieuwste UAV komt uit Groot-Brittannië.

Hij heet Taranis, naar de Keltische god van de donder, en hij werd in 2010 voor het eerst aan het grote publiek getoond. Sindsdien zijn er allerlei tests uitgevoerd om onder meer de motoren en de stealth-eigenschappen van het toestel te checken. En nu is het prototype van het onbemande toestel, een Unmanned Combat Air System of UCAS, klaar voor de eerste proefvlucht.

Zie voor het hele artikel: http://www.kijkmagazine.nl/nieuws/britse-uav-klaar-voor-eerste-vlucht/

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Wedden van wel?

Dat dan weer wel ja. Maar desondanks een mooi apparaat. Geeft ons een klein kijkje in de toekomst.
Als we dan bedenken dat (wet van Moore) computerkracht ongeveer elke twee jaar kan verdubbelen, geeft dat wel een aardig vermoeden wat de boordcomputers van een drone in 2020 kunnen uitspoken.

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cannot be detected by radar

Wedden van wel?

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British stealth drone to undergo first test flight

An unmanned combat aircraft has been built for the British military is to undergo its first ever test flight later this year.

By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent
13 Jan 2013

It can fly faster than the speed of sound, cannot be detected by radar and has no pilot. This is the new robotic plane that will become the next generation of front line bombers for the British military.

The drone, which is named Taranis after the Celtic god of thunder, has been designed to fly intercontinental missions to attack targets and can automatically dodge incoming missiles.

The aircraft, which has cost £125 million to build, is intended to be the first of a new generation of aeroplanes that will reduce the need to risk human lives on long, dangerous missions.

It is to be flown for the first time in a series of tests over the Australian outback in the spring in an attempt to demonstrate the technology to military chiefs.

Currently the Royal Air Force uses Tornado GR4 bombers as its front line strike aircraft, although the Typhoon Eurofighter is expected to replace it in the coming years.

Remote controlled drones such as Reaper are also used by the Ministry of Defence and US military to attack targets.

But the Taranis is expected to provide a prototype of a new kind of bomber that will replace piloted planes and the current drones.

With a shape more similar to the US B-2 Stealth bomber, it intended to fly automatically using an on-board computer system to perform manoeuvres, avoid threats and identify targets. Only when it needs to attack a target will it seek authorisation from a human controller.

Nigel Whitehead, group managing director of programmes at BAE Systems, which has been developing Taranis, said the new drone could change the way aircraft are used by the MoD in the future, which currently uses manned planes for combat missions.

He said: "I think that the Taranis programme will be used to inform the UK MoD thinking, regarding the make up for the future force mix. I anticipate that the UK will chose to have a mix of manned and unmanned front-line aircraft.

"This decision will have a major impact on the future of the UK military."

The Taranis uses stealth technology, including a highly secretive coating that helps it slip through radar undetected. It will be able to carry a series of weapons on board including missiles and laser guided bombs.

The use of drones, however, has come under intense criticism from human rights groups, who claim their use as weapons contravenes international laws as often innocent targets can be killed.

The Reaper and Predator drones currently used by the British and US military are operated by remote control using pilots based at a command centre.

Although they fly relatively slowly, with a maximum speed of 287 miles per hour, less than half the speed of sound, their ability to perform "hunter-killer" missions or support ground troops in Afghanistan without risking human pilots has seen them increasingly used.

Unmanned aircraft are now being seen as a way of producing planes that can fly further, faster and higher than is currently possible with human pilots, who can grow tired or blackout in manoeuvres that produce high g-forces.

There are concerns, however, that as drones are made more autonomous, they will pose more of a risk if they go out of control and leaving computers to make life or death decisions is highly controversial.

Taranis, however, will still rely on instructions from a central command centre before attacking targets.

The tests on Taranis, which is powered by a Rolls-Royce Adour 951 engine used on Hawk training jets, will see it flying a simulated mission where it must automatically avoid unexpected threats such as ground to air missiles and seek out potential targets.

Once identified, the operators will send instructions to Taranis to attack the targets before performing a flying past to confirm the damage and then landing safely.

Mr Whitehead added: "There is one demonstrator aircraft. The mission plan will be loaded onto the vehicle. The aircraft will then fly the mission. Taranis will fly to the search area and sweep the area to identify targets.

"The air vehicle will be presented with unexpected "pop up" threats and its evasive response will be monitored.

"Target information will be relayed to mission command and the aircraft will hold off until given the next instruction to prosecute, send more data or ignore the identified target.

"In the event of a command to attack, this will be carried out followed by a battle damage inspection and then further interaction with command to confirm the instruction to attack again, prosecute other targets or to come home, avoiding further pop-up threats."

A spokesman for the MoD added: "Taranis is the first of its kind in the UK. Unmanned Air Vehicles play an important role on operations, helping to reduce the risks faced by military personnel on the front line.

"Forthcoming Taranis flight trials will provide MoD and industry with further information about the potential capabilities of Unmanned Combat Air Systems."

Tornado GR4

Thrust: 32,000lbs

Max speed: Mach 1.3

Length: 56ft

Wingspan: 28ft

Max Altitude: 50,000ft

Taranis:

Thrust: 6,500lbs

Max speed: Classified but supersonic

Length: 37ft

Wingspan: 32ft

Max Altitude: Classified

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9797738/British-stealth-drone-to-undergo-first-test-flight.html

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US Navy Continues to Wrangle With UCLASS Needs

Posted by Amy Butler on Jan 09, 2013

After years of discussion, the U.S. Navy has still not finalized its requirements for its much-desired Unmanned Carrier-Launched Airborne Surveillance and Strike (Uclass) platform.

Navy officials have not yet fully hammered out the requirements for the system. There has been an ongoing debate in the Pentagon about which attributes – such as survivability and endurance –to emphasize in the RFP. Some senior officials favor balancing the two, while others are eyeing more endurance. This decision will drive the attributes of the air vehicle. A vehicle designed for endurance may carry less payload and be less maneuverable or stealthy. One optimized for survivability would have a reduced radar cross section and might be more agile or carry more self defenses.

UCLASS follows on the heels of the Northrop Grumman-led X-47B Unmanned Combat Air system demonstration program. Under that effort, Navy officials are validating the ability to operate stealthy, tailless UAS on and around an aircraft carrier.
Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman and General Atomics are all expected to compete for the UCLASS work.

http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.aspx?plckBlogId=Blog:27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog:27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post:b976802c-b987-4b9e-a0ba-4c4487faf408

[dudge]

Eens een UCAV van de achterzijde...met een beetje verbeelding lijkt het op een WO2 fighter zo ;-)

Heb je wel wat verbeelding nodig ja. Al moet ik zeggen regelmatig de link naar ww2 te leggen bij het zien van een (turbo)prop. Helaas zie je ze in de lijndiensten in Europa steeds minder.

[Elzenga]

Eens een UCAV van de achterzijde...met een beetje verbeelding lijkt het op een WO2 fighter zo ;-)