Internationale ontwikkelingen op onderzeebootgebied.

[Umbert]

Ik word bang van een eventuele Franse onderzeeboot voor de KM als ik deze ''levertijden'' zie:

- 2032 boot 1 (2032 - 2035 voor testen en evaluatie)
- 2038 boot 2
- 2040 boot 3
- 2042 boot 4
- 2044 boot 5
- 2046 boot 6
- 2048 boot 7
- 2050 boot 8
- 2052 boot 9
- 2054 boot 10
- 2056 boot 11
- 2058 boot 12

Op het moment dat de laatste boot in dienst komt vaart de eerste boot al 26 jaar rond! Het contract is dit jaar getekend, wat neer komt op 13 jaar tussen contract tekening en het opleveren van de eerste boot voor testvaarten. Nederland wil in 2021 het contract tekenen, dan is het mogelijk dat boot 1 voor ons pas in 2034 afgeleverd word.

Dus de laatste boot is een heel andere als de eerste want die heeft dan al mid life gehad zou ik zo denken.

[StrataNL]

En ze hebben het over hulls hé, dus voordat je dan een operationele sub hebt ben je weer 2-3 jaar verder....

[Parera]

Ik word bang van een eventuele Franse onderzeeboot voor de KM als ik deze ''levertijden'' zie:

- 2032 boot 1 (2032 - 2035 voor testen en evaluatie)
- 2038 boot 2
- 2040 boot 3
- 2042 boot 4
- 2044 boot 5
- 2046 boot 6
- 2048 boot 7
- 2050 boot 8
- 2052 boot 9
- 2054 boot 10
- 2056 boot 11
- 2058 boot 12

Op het moment dat de laatste boot in dienst komt vaart de eerste boot al 26 jaar rond! Het contract is dit jaar getekend, wat neer komt op 13 jaar tussen contract tekening en het opleveren van de eerste boot voor testvaarten. Nederland wil in 2021 het contract tekenen, dan is het mogelijk dat boot 1 voor ons pas in 2034 afgeleverd word.

[Parera]

RAN mulls life extensions for all Collins-class boats

At least five and possibly all six of the Royal Australian Navy's (RAN's) Collins-class submarines will have their life of type extended pending the availability of their Attack-class replacements, Chief of Navy Vice Admiral Mike Noonan has disclosed.

The admiral told a Senate committee on 20 February that the first of the 12 conventionally powered Attack-class boats would be delivered to the RAN by designer and constructor Naval Group in 2032. It would then undergo up to three years of tests and evaluation before being accepted for service.

The second hull is due to be delivered in 2038, with hulls 3 through 12 being delivered at two-year intervals thereafter.

"Provided that the programme continues to be funded to this plan, at least five Collins class are life extended. Using a typical submarine learning curve, that being the industry know-how and efficiencies that we gain through the life of the build, I would expect the navy will have a force of eight or more submarines by the late 2030s," Vice Adm Noonan stated.

Four Collins-class submarines are currently at sea and over the past two years have continued to meet and exceed benchmark standards, Vice Adm Noonan added.

Stephen Johnson, general manager for submarines in the Australian Department of Defence (DoD), told the committee that recommendations on the number of upgrades for the Collins class and their scope would be provided to the chief of navy and the secretary of defence "within the next 12 months".

The six Collins-class submarines were commissioned between 1996 and 2003. Speaking in 2015, then defence minister Kevin Andrews said their decommissioning would begin around 2026.

Then, in 2016, DoD officials confirmed the service life of several of the submarines would be extended until replacements were delivered.

[Source: Janes.com ]

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

De afmetingen die ik gezien heb dan (74 x 8 m) is volgens mij wel groter dan die 2900  ton. Laten we het houden op 3000 - 4000 ton 

Kijk voor de grap eens naar de afmetingen en het tonnage van de Spaans S-80 plus.

[Parera]

Tonnage is volgens Saab-Damen: 2.900 ton (mocht ooit de versie met VLS in beeld komen dan zal je rond de 4000 ton uitkomen)

De afmetingen die ik gezien heb dan (74 x 8 m) is volgens mij wel groter dan die 2900  ton. Laten we het houden op 3000 - 4000 ton 

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Helaas moet ik je gelijk geven en zie ik het niet snel gebeuren. De enigste optie voor dit soort boten voor Zweden is operaties verder van huis in de arctische regio (als NAVO lid).
En ga in het A26 NL ontwerp maar uit van een hoger tonnage  Ik schat het huidige ontwerp van Damen-Saab in zo rond de 4000 ton, gebaseerd op de afmetingen van de boot die bekend gemaakt zijn.

Tonnage is volgens Saab-Damen: 2.900 ton (mocht ooit de versie met VLS in beeld komen dan zal je rond de 4000 ton uitkomen)

[Parera]

Ik zie Zweden geen 2900 ton's boten aanschaffen.... geen meerwaarde voor de Oostzee.

Helaas moet ik je gelijk geven en zie ik het niet snel gebeuren. De enigste optie voor dit soort boten voor Zweden is operaties verder van huis in de arctische regio (als NAVO lid).
En ga in het A26 NL ontwerp maar uit van een hoger tonnage  Ik schat het huidige ontwerp van Damen-Saab in zo rond de 4000 ton, gebaseerd op de afmetingen van de boot die bekend gemaakt zijn.

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

@BorisJorgen

http://www.sydostran.se/karlskrona/fler-ubatar-i-stor-forsvarssatsning/

Als de Zweden nu eens gewoon die Gotlands vergeten en een derde A26 aankopen en daarnaast nog 2 Damen-Saab boten?

Ik zie Zweden geen 2900 ton's boten aanschaffen.... geen meerwaarde voor de Oostzee.

[Parera]

@BorisJorgen

Swedish parliamentary defence commission wants to increase the country's submarine fleet to 5 vessels by retrofitting a 3rd Gotland-class sub:

http://www.sydostran.se/karlskrona/fler-ubatar-i-stor-forsvarssatsning/

Als de Zweden nu eens gewoon die Gotlands vergeten en een derde A26 aankopen en daarnaast nog 2 Damen-Saab boten?

[Parera]

Singapore Discloses Further Details of Invincible-Class Submarines

Singapore's Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) has disclosed further details of its new Type 218SG air-independent propulsion (AIP)-equipped submarines, which have been customised specifically for operations in shallow and congested waters.

The details were revealed in conjunction with the launch ceremony of the first-of-class, which will be known as RSS Invincible once commissioned, on 18 February. Invincible is one of four Type 218SG boats acquired under two separate contracts signed between ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) and the Singapore government in 2013 and 2017.

According to information released by MINDEF, the vessel will have maximum speeds in excess of 15 kt when submerged and 10 kt when dived. The submarine will also displace 2,200 tonnes when submerged and 2,000 tonnes when surfaced. Each boat is armed with eight tubes.

Although not disclosed, these tubes will likely deploy 533 mm torpedoes and other munitions via water-ram discharge devices such as those found on the German Navy's Type 212A boats, which have been used as a reference for the Type 218SGs.

The vessel will also be able to stay submerged about 50% longer than the Archer (Västergötland) and Challenger (Sjöormen) classes of boat that it will eventually replace, and can "carry a wider range of mission payloads", said MINDEF.

Given that the Archer and Challenger classes have submerged endurances of between 14 and 21 days respectively, this puts the Independence class's endurance at about 28-42 days without snorkelling.

In addition, the submarines will be equipped with sense-making and "accelerated decision-making support systems", which include data analytics and decision support engines that have been developed in-country by Singapore's Defence Science and Technology Agency (DSTA).

[Source: Janes.com ]

[Parera]

Nog wat foto's van o.a. de trainer van Singapore voor de Type 218SG's.










Via @chiefdeunavy



@kn_reporter

[Parera]

Singapore Navy's First Invincible-Class Submarine Launched

Minister for Defence Dr Ng Eng Hen officiated at the launch ceremony of the Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN)'s first Invincible-class submarine, Invincible, at the thyssenkrupp Marine Systems Shipyard in Kiel, Germany, on 18 Feb 2019. The submarine was launched by Mrs Ng, wife of Dr Ng. Chief of German Navy Vice-Admiral Andreas Krause, Republic of Singapore Navy's Chief of Navy Rear-Admiral Lew Chuen Hong and senior defence officials from both countries attended the launch ceremony.
   
Speaking at the ceremony, Dr Ng highlighted that, "The RSN plays a key role in keeping [the] Sea Lines of Communications (SLOCs) open, not only for Singapore, but indeed, for the world. And the maritime environment around Singapore also faces security challenges... In this context, the acquisition of the new Type 218SG submarines is timely." He added that that the new submarines were designed based on experience and expertise garnered through more than two decades of operating submarines, and the launch of the Invincible marked a significant milestone in the RSN's submarine capability.

Invincible is the first of four customised submarines designed for operations in Singapore's shallow and busy tropical waters. Custom-built to Singapore's needs, the new submarines will possess longer endurance and higher payloads. Following the launch, Invincible will undergo a series of sea trials before delivery to Singapore in 2021. The remaining three submarines are under construction. Dr Ng also announced the names of the remaining three submarines – Impeccable, Illustrious, and Inimitable.

The launch of Invincible is testament to the warm and growing defence ties between Singapore and Germany. Bilateral defence relations have strengthened with the signing of the enhanced Defence Cooperation Agreement (eDCA) in 2018. The eDCA paves the way forward for cooperation in areas of mutual interest, such as in submarine training, defence technology and cyber defence. Both countries also cooperate and interact widely through high-level visits and dialogues, military exchanges, cross-attendance of professional courses and technology collaboration.

Dr Ng was in Germany to attend the Munich Security Conference from 15 to 17 Feb 2019, where he spoke at the conference and had bilateral meetings with his foreign counterparts.

[Source: https://www.mindef.gov.sg/web/portal/mindef/news-and-events/latest-releases/article-detail/2019/February/18feb19_nr ]

[Harald]

US Navy looks to bring back Harpoons


Although decommissioned for more than a decade, the US Navy is looking to bring back its remaining Harpoon anti-ship missiles to serve as gap bridges until the arrival of Maritime Strike Tomahawk missile capabilities.

The philosophy was outlined by RADM Daryl Caudle, commander of submarine forces, US Pacific Fleet ...

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/imps-news/west-2019-navy-looks-bring-back-harpoons/

[Huzaar1]

Is me nu wel totaal onduidelijk hoe de Australische Marine nu echt denkt over de deal met de Fransen.