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Titel: India koopt 15 stuks US-2 amphibious patrol aircraft van Japan
Bericht door: Harald op 29/01/2014 | 22:01 uur
India Will Buy 15 Amphibious Aircraft From Japan

It is likely that Japan will sell India its indigenously developed US-2 amphibious aircraft in 2014.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's visit to India as chief guest at its Republic Day celebrations yielded some important advances in India-Japan relations. Notably on the security front, the two resolved to consult on national security matters between their two national security apparatuses (Japan's national security council having been formed recently). Additionally, the two will conduct a bilateral naval exercise in the Pacific Ocean in a move that is sure to draw China's attention. The pending sale of the ShinMaywa US-2 amphibious patrol aircraft–a topic of interest for India since 2011–also inched forward. Abe and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh agreed that India and Japan would follow up on the sale in March with a joint working group meeting. Indian Defense Minister A.K. Antony is set to visit Japan at some point this year (presumably before May, due to the general elections in India) to finalize the deal.

The deal is significant for a variety of reasons. On the surface, it's another indicator of burgeoning cooperation between India and Japan on security matters. The deal is doubly significant in the context of India's relations with Japan because once India clinches the deal, it will become the first country to purchase defense equipment from Japan since the latter's self-imposed ban on defense exports began in 1967. The deal is important for Abe as it would open up Japan's defense industry for additional contracts with foreign partners and stimulate Japan's defense industry. It should be noted that negotiations on the US-2 deal began in 2011 under the Democratic Party of Japan, first under Prime Minister Naoto Kan and then under Yoshihiko Noda.

According to Reuters, the US-2 deal could result in a $1.65 billion tab for India, which is looking at purchasing 15 of the amphibious patrol aircraft. The deal is essentially a fait accompli (cleared politically at the highest levels in both countries) and the joint working group will iron out certain details including important modifications that would allow Japan to export the aircraft to India without violating its self-imposed defense export restrictions. A Reuters report notes that the modifications will include the removal of a friend or foe identification system. Another point of discussion for the two sides is whether India will be permitted to assemble the aircraft indigenously, giving it access to Japanese military technology.

Strategically, the US-2 is important for India beyond its relationship with Japan. The US-2 has a more than modest range of 4,500 km and India's 15 aircraft will be stationed in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, in the Bay of Bengal. The US-2 is a versatile aircraft for search and rescue operations as well, partly owing to its short take-off ability. According to an anonymous Indian military source interviewed by Reuters, the US-2 will allow India to support military and civilian ships deep in Southeast Asian waters. The military source notes: "You are sailing further and further away, and ships break down at sea. You can either wait for reinforcements to arrive by sea or bring in an amphibian right next to the stricken ship." Procurement of the US-2 additionally directly counters Indian fears of China's burgeoning "string of pearls" strategy in Southeast Asia.

Overall, expect a India-Japan US-2 deal in the near future–possibly before India's general elections. The US-2 deal will serve as a gateway for India and Japan to explore additional cooperation on defense technology. The joint statement coming out of Abe's visit to New Delhi last weekend noted that India and Japan are seeking to cooperate on advanced technologies more generally. Prospects for increased defense cooperation remain positive as long as Shinzo Abe remains at the helm in Tokyo; revising Japan's guidelines on defense technology exports is a strategic priority for Abe and man happens to be quite the Indophile.

A looming consequence of the US-2 deal will be increased Chinese skepticism that the strategic convergence between India and Japan is anything other than a bulwark against China's ambitions along the Asia-Pacific rimland. Additionally, the deal would in essence move Japan more in the direction of military normalization; allowing Japan to export its defense know-how and technology freely across Asia could prove deleterious to China's interests.

For the moment, Indian and Japanese diplomats and leaders remain careful to omit any mention of China during their bilateral meetings. So far, all bilateral military exercises between India and Japan have occurred under the premise of promoting freedom of navigation in Asia's crowded sea lanes and combating piracy. A day may come when New Delhi begins to back Tokyo in its disputes with Beijing and Tokyo returns the favor, but a variety of political factors still inhibit that sort of openness in this important bilateral relationship between Asia's largest and richest democracy. A US-2 deal won't supercharge the positive momentum in the India-Japan relationship, but it won't hurt either.

http://thediplomat.com/2014/01/india-will-buy-15-amphibious-aircraft-from-japan-so-what/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+the-diplomat+%28The+Diplomat+RSS%29
Titel: Re:India koopt 15 stuks US-2 amphibious patrol aircraft van Japan
Bericht door: Ace1 op 29/01/2014 | 22:49 uur
Ik heb een zwak voor vliegboten en heb zo'n beetje alles gelezen wat er leesbaar is over  Catalina's, Dorniers,  Martin PBM-5A Mariner, Sunderlands. Van mij mag Defensie ook een wel een paar aanschaffen een heli kan voor een Sar taak maximaal 250 km vliegen een US-2 4500km.

Titel: Re:India koopt 15 stuks US-2 amphibious patrol aircraft van Japan
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/01/2014 | 22:58 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 29/01/2014 | 22:49 uur
Ik heb een zwak voor vliegboten en heb zo'n beetje alles gelezen wat er leesbaar is over  Catalina's, Dorniers,  Martin PBM-5A Mariner, Sunderlands. Van mij mag Defensie ook een wel een paar aanschaffen een heli kan voor een Sar taak maximaal 250 km vliegen een US-2 4500km.



De Catalina's hebben tijdens hun operationele leven absoluut hun nut bewezen, een nieuwe variant zou wellicht een interessante bijdrage, op diverse fronten, kunnen leveren.
Titel: Re:India koopt 15 stuks US-2 amphibious patrol aircraft van Japan
Bericht door: Lex op 29/01/2014 | 23:06 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 29/01/2014 | 22:49 uur
Van mij mag Defensie ook een wel een paar aanschaffen een heli kan voor een Sar taak maximaal 250 km vliegen een US-2 4500km.
Dat zo'n kist verder kan vliegen dan een heli geloof ik terstond; maar ik betwijfel de inzet voor SAR.
Titel: Re:India koopt 15 stuks US-2 amphibious patrol aircraft van Japan
Bericht door: Ace1 op 29/01/2014 | 23:15 uur
Citaat van: Lex op 29/01/2014 | 23:06 uur
Dat zo'n kist verder kan vliegen dan een heli geloof ik terstond; maar ik betwijfel de inzet voor SAR.


Search and Rescue
Catalinas were employed by every branch of the U.S. military as rescue aircraft. A PBY piloted by LCDR Adrian Marks (USN) rescued 56 sailors in high seas from the heavy cruiser Indianapolis after the ship was sunk during World War II. When there was no more room inside, the crew tied sailors to the wings. Catalinas continued to function in this capacity for decades after the end of the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_PBY_Catalina#Search_and_rescue
Titel: Re:India koopt 15 stuks US-2 amphibious patrol aircraft van Japan
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/01/2014 | 23:16 uur
Citaat van: Lex op 29/01/2014 | 23:06 uur
Dat zo'n kist verder kan vliegen dan een heli geloof ik terstond; maar ik betwijfel de inzet voor SAR.

De Catalina vervulde in de oorlog vele taken: reddingsvliegtuig, bommenwerper, torpedovliegtuig, bevoorradings-, transport- en verbindingsvliegtuig.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_PBY_Catalina
Titel: Re:India koopt 15 stuks US-2 amphibious patrol aircraft van Japan
Bericht door: Lex op 29/01/2014 | 23:21 uur
Tja de postings betreffende de Catalina's zijn mij natuurlijk bekend.
Maar er wordt hier gesteld dat de BV-NL dit soort kisten moet aanschaffen tbv SAR. En nogmaals, ik betwijfel de noodzaak en de nut ervan.
Titel: Re:India koopt 15 stuks US-2 amphibious patrol aircraft van Japan
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/01/2014 | 23:27 uur
Citaat van: Lex op 29/01/2014 | 23:21 uur
Tja de postings betreffende de Catalina's zijn mij natuurlijk bekend.
Maar er wordt hier gesteld dat de BV-NL dit soort kisten moet aanschaffen tbv SAR. En nogmaals, ik betwijfel de noodzaak en de nut ervan.

Voor louter SAR lijkt het mij een niet zinvolle investering, het concept biedt interessante inzetmogelijkheden voor meerdere specifieke taken en zijn SAR mogelijkheden een attractieve neventaak.
Titel: Re:India koopt 15 stuks US-2 amphibious patrol aircraft van Japan
Bericht door: Lex op 29/01/2014 | 23:48 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser op 29/01/2014 | 23:27 uur
Voor louter SAR lijkt het mij een niet zinvolle investering, het concept biedt interessante inzetmogelijkheden voor meerdere specifieke taken en zijn SAR mogelijkheden een attractieve neventaak.
Een heel andere benadering. Onderbouwing?
Titel: Re:India koopt 15 stuks US-2 amphibious patrol aircraft van Japan
Bericht door: Harald op 30/01/2014 | 07:28 uur
Citaat van: Lex op 29/01/2014 | 23:48 uur
Een heel andere benadering. Onderbouwing?
Hier hebben we ook in een ander topic over gesproken en waaronder me zelf voorstellen gedaan om te gebruiken als MPA en of ASW taken.
Het toestel moet zo wie zo nog ge upgrade worden ivm civiele verkoop naar militaire status.
Goed voor de NL ver gelegenheid.
Titel: Re:India koopt 15 stuks US-2 amphibious patrol aircraft van Japan
Bericht door: Harald op 30/01/2014 | 09:16 uur
De voorganger van de US-2 was de US-1(A), de militaire variant hiervan was de PS-1 voor MPA en ASW.

PS-1 :
The PS-1 ASW variant carried homing torpedoes, depth charges and 127mm rockets as offensive armament but had no defensive weapons. It was equipped with dipping sonar, which had limited use as it required the aircraft to land on water to deploy. It could also carry up to 20 sonobuoys. It had a crew of ten: pilot, co-pilot, flight engineer, navigator and six sensor/weapons operators.

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShinMaywa_PS-1

Dus vind ik het ook realistisch dat een US-2 geschikt gemaakt kan worden als MPA/ASW toestel

Titel: Re: India koopt 15 stuks US-2 amphibious patrol aircraft van Japan
Bericht door: Harald op 24/10/2016 | 12:12 uur
Japan has agreed to sell US-2 at $113 million each to India

Defense News reported that India is willing to consider the amphibious US-2 again after Japan agreed to slash the price of each plane from $133 million to $113 million.

An anonymous source told the publication that the $1.35 billion deal for 12 aircraft is "now ready for finalization."

http://alert5.com/2016/10/22/japan-has-agreed-to-sell-us-2-at-113-million-each-to-india/#more-58406

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An Indian Navy official said the amphibious aircraft are required immediately for operation in the Indian Ocean region.

"Carrying out operational logistics support for the naval units (including ships, submarines and embarked assets) at sea, within the Indian Ocean region or beyond is an operational gap that exists in the Indian Navy inventory," the Navy official said.

Anil Jai Singh, a retired Indian Navy commodore and defense analyst, said the US-2 aircraft "will offer a capability to quickly react to a developing situation in our island territories, which are almost 700 miles from the mainland and strategically vulnerable."

The purchase from Japan is also regarded as strategic because New Delhi is building ties with Tokyo as part of its Look East Policy meant to counter China's influence in the Indian Ocean and Pacific Ocean regions.

"The strategic importance of this needs no emphasis. It may be the first military export from Japan since World War II and hence sends out a very significant signal on the depth of the Indo-Japan strategic relationship as well as on the geopolitical dynamic of the Indo-Pacific," Singh said.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/india-resolves-us-2-aircraft-price-issue-with-japan
Titel: Re: India koopt 15 stuks US-2 amphibious patrol aircraft van Japan
Bericht door: Harald op 10/01/2019 | 09:06 uur
India to acquire US-2 amphibious aircraft from Japan

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According to a Japanese official, Japan and India are in talks on a proposal to procure India up to 12 ShinMaywa Japanese US-2 amphibious aircraft.

This aircraft is a large Short Takeoff and Landing (STOL) amphibious aircraft designed for air-sea rescue (SAR) missions, which can also be used as a fire fighter taking 15 tons of water. It is an upgraded version of the US-1A featuring aerodynamic refinements, a pressurised hull and more powerful engines.

These discussions between those two governments are still continuing but are expected to lead to an agreement by 2019. This official proposal is part of an increasing cooperation between India and Japan regarding defense.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2019/january/6734-india-to-acquire-us-2-amphibious-aircraft-from-japan.html