Spanning(en) rond Iran

Gestart door Lex, 14/02/2012 | 16:51 uur

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5 Signs that a War in Iran is Close

The clock is ticking closer to the midnight hour regarding a strike in Iran. Israel might do it alone, but will likely have the backing of the US.

Is a war imminent, or are these moves just meant to scare Iran? Here are 5 signs that have piled up very recently.
1.SWIFT Cuts Iran Off: The international institution responsible for around 80% of the world's financial transactions announced that it will cut off Iranian financial institutions from its system from Saturday. This unprecedented move is a big blow to Iran, and follows up on EU sanctions.

2.Majority in Israeli cabinet for strike: Israeli newspaper Maariv (Hebrew link, quote in English) by Ben Caspit saying that 8 out of 14 Israeli cabinet members now support a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities. The cabinet can give Prime Minister Netanyahu the green light for a strike, at the time he sees fit.

3.Netanyahu preparing Israeli public: The Israeli Prime Minister continues the tough rhetoric against Iran also after coming back from his long visit in the US. Analysts see this as a preparation of the Israeli public for a war.

4.Using Oil Reserves: There was a report, later denied, that the US and the UK decided on releasing oil from the emergency reserves in order to lower prices. This could be another preparation.

5."Last Chance" Warning: According to Russian sources, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton asked the Russians to send a message to Iran that the upcoming talks 6 nation talks with Iran are the last chance before military action.

Needless to say, oil prices certainly play a role in the considerations of all sides. Iran is the world's 5th largest producer of oil, and sits on the Straights of Hormuz, where 40% of the world's shipments pass through.

All these moves could mount to a preparation for a US backed Israeli strike against Iran's nuclear facilities. It could also just add to pressure against Iran, trying to force it to comply without really engaging in military action.

Read more: http://www.forexcrunch.com/5-signs-that-a-war-in-iran-is-close-34677/#ixzz1pDAuAWEx

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Why Israel Won't Rush to War With Iran

Posted: 03/15/2012 2:03 pm

The prevailing view among experts seems to be that there is a strong likelihood of an Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear installations. This may be the only point on which the opponents and proponents of that move agree. But the consensus is questionable.

True, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu says that he won't wait for definitive proof that Iran's nuclear program is aimed at bomb building before deciding to strike, adding that the American and Israeli clocks are not in sync on this matter. But this rhetorical flourish amounts to an admission that Netanyahu couldn't get Obama's unconditional support during their recent meeting, despite his efforts to influence the President by campaigning for public and Congressional solidarity. Nor was the Prime Minister mollified by the President's statement that the United States will not allow Iran to acquire nuclear weapons and that military option is not "off the table."

But applying Netanyahu's standard would entail waging preventive war, which is altogether different from a preemptive one. The Israeli government would be claiming the right to attack based not an evident and compelling threat from Iran but on its assessment that Iran might acquire the wherewithal to harm Israel at some undefined juncture. That's an extremely permissive justification, one that few countries, even those well disposed toward Israel, will endorse, not least because Israel itself has nuclear weapons and thus a deterrent. While it's hard to imagine a U.S. president reproaching Israel, Netanyahu shouldn't bet that Obama would order American forces to join in. As for the reaction elsewhere, it will range from tepid support (at best) to condemnation, with the latter being the predominant one.

The Arab Spring has increased Israel's isolation in its neighborhood, and bombing Iran will make matters far worse. It's said that several Sunni Arab states fear the prospect of an Iran wielding nuclear weapons. Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf sheikdoms are most often mentioned, but so is Egypt. But no matter what the leaders of these countries might think, or communicate subtly to Washington or Tel Aviv, none will stand up and approve an Israeli attack for fear of a backlash from "the street," particularly after the mass protests of the Arab Spring. Nor will Israel find support elsewhere in the Muslim world. Take Turkey, for instance. Ankara believes that a nuclear-armed Iran would make the Middle East an even more dangerous place. The Turks nevertheless insist that the evidence on Tehran's intentions remains inconclusive; that Iran is, in any event, not close to manufacturing a bomb; and that diplomacy, not sanctions, let alone force, is the best solution.

Then there's Israeli public opinion. If you've assumed that Netanyahu's bellicosity has deep support among Israelis, you are not alone. Yet the reality is different. A recent poll shows that only 19 percent of Israelis support an attack without American support and that only 43 percent favor proceeding without it. Only 28 percent expect America to join an Israel strike, 39 percent anticipate only political support, while a third believes that Washington would stay neutral or even punish Israel. The vast majority does not think that an attack would delay an Iranian nuclear weapons program for more than five years, and a third opines that it will either accelerate it or make no difference. Similarly, prominent Israelis (including two former heads of the Mossad, Ephraim Halevy and Meir Dagan, and a former Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces, Amnon Lipkin-Shahak) have declared that an attack on Iran is unnecessary to safeguard Israel and would indeed be counterproductive. Now, Netanyahu could ignore polls and pundits, but, like all politicians in democracies, he cares for votes and cannot dismiss the electoral consequences of a decision, the ripple effects of which leave Israelis more vulnerable.

The operational obstacles that Israel will confront in executing a successful attack -- whatever that means -- have received much attention: the distance Israeli jets will have to fly (1,861 miles to and fro); the need to refuel them en route, using aerial tankers; the size of the strike force that will be needed to overcome Iran's substantial air defense network; and Iran's dispersal of its nuclear facilities, some of which are deep underground and reinforced so as to protect them against even America's most powerful bunker-busting bomb, the 30,000 lb. GBU-57 A/B "Massive Ordnance Penetrator," which Israel lacks.

While these are important, the bigger problem is strategic rather than operational. An Israeli strike would likely guarantee that Iran makes a determined and explicit bid to build nuclear weapons because its leaders will conclude that Israel would never have struck if Iran had them. That assessment will have wide support in Iran, even among those who dislike the current regime. It would be strategically obtuse to attack Iran knowing this, and there's no reason to assume that Netanyahu doesn't know it.

Moreover, Israel leaders have been sending continual warnings intended to sway Iran's leaders (insisting, nevertheless, that they are irrational and hence immune to nuclear deterrence) -- an odd thing to do if Netanyahu is counting on maximizing surprise and effectiveness.

An Israeli attack on Iran will have consequences that are multiple, prolonged, and pernicious. But it's hardly a foregone conclusion that it will occur; indeed, it's less likely than generally assumed

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rajan-menon/israel-wont-rush-to-war_b_1346263.html

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Most of Israel security cabinet backs Iran strike:

report March 15, 2012 02:21 PM

OCCUPIED JERUSALEM: A majority of Israel's security cabinet now supports an attack on Iran in a bid to end its nuclear programme, an Israeli newspaper reported on Thursday, citing political sources it did not identify.

Writing in the Maariv daily, influential columnist Ben Caspit said most of the 14-member security cabinet was now leaning in favour of a pre-emptive strike on Iran's nuclear facilities, a move which he said was supported by both Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defence Minister Ehud Barak.

"According to the most recent assessments, at this point eight ministers tend to support Netanyahu and Barak's position, while six object to it," Caspit wrote.

"It should be noted that the security cabinet has yet to hold a decisive meeting on the issue and the assessments are based on secret talks being held between the prime minister and his ministers, one at a time."

Caspit noted that Netanyahu has convened neither his security cabinet, nor the more intimate Forum of Eight -- a consultative body of his closest ministers -- since returning from talks about Iran with US President Barack Obama.

"The longer the silence from Netanyahu and Barak's direction continues, the more concerned the opponents of an attack on Iran become," Caspit said.

Ynet news website reported on Thursday that the members of Netanyahu's inner circle had expressed resentment about his lack of consultation with them in recent weeks.

They said they had not been briefed on either Iran or on the recent violence in and around Gaza.

"Some of the ministers feel that they are being used as a rubber stamp," a cabinet member told Ynet.

"We weren't briefed on the situation in Gaza even once. Netanyahu apparently feels confident enough to make all the decisions by himself, or with Barak, without including any of the other ministers."

Sources close to Netanyahu confirmed that neither the security cabinet nor the Forum of Eight had been convened recently, Ynet said, but added that Netanyahu "consults with the relevant people constantly."

In recent months speculation has been rising about the possibility of an Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear programme, which the Jewish state and much of the international community believe masks a weapons drive.

Iran denies the charges, saying the programme is for civil power generation and medical purposes only.

The United States has said it opposes an attack for now, calling for time to allow tough new sanctions against Tehran to bite.

Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2012/Mar-15/166774-most-of-israel-security-cabinet-backs-iran-strike-report.ashx#ixzz1pBl7ZSGs
(The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: http://www.dailystar.com.lb)

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Obama: Window for diplomacy in Iran is 'shrinking'

Posted: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:01 am | Updated: 12:01 pm, Wed Mar 14, 2012.

President Barack Obama is warning Iran that the window for dealing with its nuclear program through diplomatic channels is "shrinking."

Obama says he still prefers to use diplomacy to get Iran to abandon its nuclear program. But he says diplomacy requires having somebody on the other side of the table who is taking the matter seriously.

The president says he hopes Iran understands that diplomacy is their "best bet" and the Islamic regime needs to seize that opportunity. Iran insists its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes and says it is not seeking a bomb.

Obama is speaking at a White House news conference alongside British Prime Minister David Cameron.

© 2012 The Associated Press.

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

#267
Citaat van: Kapitein Rob op 14/03/2012 | 16:52 uur
Principes versus portemonnaie.....

C'est la vie!

Daarnaast zit ik niet te wachten op een totalitair regime met dit soort speelgoed, dit geldt natuurlijk voor meerdere landen.

KapiteinRob

Principes versus portemonnaie.....

Ros

Welke regime/regering er ook aan de macht komt in Iran maakt m.i. niets uit. Ook deze zal het nucliair programma voortzetten danwel nieuw leven inblazen.

Het kernwapen dreigement van Iran legt het af tegen de benzineprijs als ik het goed zie  :devil:

KapiteinRob

Oh, we gaan er weer eens blind vanuit dat "de oppositie" eerlijk, oprecht en democratisch is? En door wie gelegitimeerd?

Tanker

Wat mij betreft zo snel mogelijk, ook in de hoop dat de rust z.s.m. weer terugkeert na een aanval....
Hoe langer men wacht hoe langer men blijft speculeren op een evt. en hoe langer de olieprijzen onder druk blijven staan...

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

Citaat van: Tanker op 14/03/2012 | 13:46 uur
Daarom nu ingrijpen militair ingrijpen nu het nog niet te laat is, oppositie steunen zodat zij in de chaos na een aanval gelijk een regime change kunnen bewerkstelligen......

Ben ik voor... want als het dit jaar niet gebeurt, dan gebeurt het wellicht wel in de aankomende jaren (tenzij er een regime change heeft plaats gevonden)

Tanker

Daarom nu ingrijpen militair ingrijpen nu het nog niet te laat is, oppositie steunen zodat zij in de chaos na een aanval gelijk een regime change kunnen bewerkstelligen......

Ros

Citaat van: jurrien visser op 14/03/2012 | 11:53 uur
Oorloghitserij of niet... je betaalt je inmiddels blauw aan de pomp

Schuld van Iran ?. 48 % accijnsen en 16% -----> Nederlandse staatskas. Om de Nederlandse econiomie te helpen had Den Haag al lang iets kunnen doen. En waarom voeren onze vriendjes in de andere zandbakken de productie niet op ?...........GELD....en dat mogen jij en ik ophoesten. De invloed van Iran in deze is minimaal.

Citaat
daarnaast ligt Nederland binnen berijk van de Iraanse lange afstandsraketten.

En........... ik durf voor 100% te beweren dat Iran het niet in het hoofd zal halen om iets dergelijks te doen. Iran weet donders goed dat een actie als deze ongetwijfeld zal leiden tot een tegenreactie. Zelfs na een aanval door Israel en/of de VS zal de reactie van Iran niet zo fel zijn als iedereen denkt. In beide gevallen zal dat een reactie uitlokken die Iran uiteindelijk jaren van stilstand zal bezorgen.

IPA NG

Citaat van: Kapitein Rob op 14/03/2012 | 12:06 uur
Ach natuurlijk, daarom willen ze geen olie meer leveren aan ons.....

Wij kiezen toch partij? De EU heeft toch ook sancties tegen Iran ingesteld?

Waarom? Omdat ze niet de hielen likken van de Israëliërs?
Militaire strategie is van groot belang voor een land. Het is de oorzaak van leven of dood; het is de weg naar overleven of vernietiging en moet worden onderzocht. --Sun Tzu

KapiteinRob

Citaat van: IPA NG op 14/03/2012 | 11:46 uur
Uiteraard! Wij hebben geen problemen met Iran

Ach natuurlijk, daarom willen ze geen olie meer leveren aan ons.....

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

#257
Citaat van: IPA NG op 14/03/2012 | 11:46 uur
Uiteraard! Wij hebben geen problemen met Iran, de oorlogshitsers in DC en Tel Aviv hebben problemen met Iran. Zij hebben de ventilator aangezet.

Nu kan ik deze stelling niet beamen...

Oorloghitserij of niet... je betaalt je inmiddels blauw aan de pomp en daarnaast ligt Nederland binnen berijk van de Iraanse lange afstandsraketten.

Haatbaarden (?) en kernwpens vind ik persoonlijk niet de meest ultieme combinatie.

Daarnaast heeft NL haar internationale verantwoordelijkheden, als je alles in de handen legt van, laten we eens veronderstellen, de rest van de  westerse wereld, dan geef je diverse politici hier in Nederland gelijk met hun stelling dat ons achter de veilige duinen niets/nooit meer iets zal gebeuren.

Ik voorzie dan de oprichting van een staats padvinderij corps aangevuld met 12 Saab Gripens (uitsluitend voor QRA) en een  "uitbreiding"van de KM met 4 OPV's en de rest kan exit... moet je ook niet willen.