Soviet Carrier Turns Into India's White Elephant

Gestart door Lex, 01/08/2009 | 20:05 uur

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Russia to Deliver Carrier to India in 2012
By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI
Published: 15 Apr 2011 11:37

NEW DELHI - Russia will deliver the aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov to the Indian Navy next year, a Navy official said.

A team of 150 personnel - technicians, managers and others -from the Indian Navy has already arrived in Russia for training on the 45,000-ton carrier, currently being refitted for Indian needs there.

India is paying Russia $67.5 million for the training, the official said.

The carrier will ultimately be manned by some 1,500 sailors.

In 2004, Russia signed a deal to refit and deliver the Gorshkov for $974 million, but the Russians subsequently demanded more money. The work was delayed until the Indian government finally agreed to pay a total of $2.33 billion, the official said.

The Navy also placed a $526 million order for 16 MiG-29K aircraft, which began arriving last year and are currently on shore at Goa. These aircraft will fly from the carrier, which will be renamed INS Vikramaditya.

India currently operates one carrier, INS Viraat, and is building another, the Air Defense Ship, slated to enter service in 2014.
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Citaat van: Kapitein Rob op 03/08/2009 | 14:53 uur
Zullen ze toch een aardig bedrag aan India over moeten maken, toch? En in dat geval zouden ook de Russen beter een nieuwe kunnen kopen.  ;)
Ja ik was even in de verkeerde veronderstelling dat het om 1 van de nieuwere Russische carriers ging, maar het gaat om een "oude" Kiev-klasse. Al zal die in de aangepaste nieuwe versie ook niet verkeerd zijn voor de Russen als interim oplossing tot er nieuwe carriers zijn gebouwd. Of de Russen India veel zullen moeten betalen zal afhangen van de voorwaarden van het contract. Het punt is namelijk dat de Russen miljarden aan defensieorders krijgen uit India. Dan moet je wel heel zeker zijn van je zaak of andere belangen hebben om zo'n trouwe klant dan zo op kosten te jagen...al zie je dat bij de meeste projecten overigens.

KapiteinRob

Citaat van: Elzenga op 01/08/2009 | 20:20 uur
Misschien speelt er wel iets heel anders....Wil Rusland zelf de carrier weer terug...

Zullen ze toch een aardig bedrag aan India over moeten maken, toch? En in dat geval zouden ook de Russen beter een nieuwe kunnen kopen.  ;)

Elzenga

Misschien speelt er wel iets heel anders....Wil Rusland zelf de carrier weer terug...en tracht het zo onder het contract met India vandaan te komen...om zo meteen voor een appel en een ei een tweede carrier aan zijn eigen vloot te kunnen toevoegen. Iets waar grote behoefte aan is gezien het groeiende belang van de internationale handelsroutes over zee.

Lex

NEW DELHI - When Russia gave India a retired Soviet aircraft carrier five years ago, New Delhi was delighted - little realizing the vessel would turn into a costly white elephant.
Russia, India's longtime weapons supplier, said in 2004 it would give the country the 44,570-ton "Admiral Gorshkov" as a gift, provided Delhi paid a Russian shipyard $974 million to refurbish the carrier.
Since then, the price has skyrocketed for fixing up the 27-year-old ship, which was decommissioned after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
In 2007, Russia demanded $850 million more, citing cost escalations.
Then, six months ago, Russia startled India with another demand - this time for 2.9 billion dollars.
It also pushed back the ship's delivery by four years to 2012 - a year after India must mothball its last remaining aircraft carrier, the British-origin INS Viraat.
Now India's national auditor has waded into the row, saying the navy could have paid less for a new carrier.
"At best, the Indian navy would be acquiring, belatedly, a second-hand ship with a limited lifespan by paying significantly more than what it would have paid for a new ship," it said in its military spending report.
The Russian price hikes have sparked outrage, forcing India's Defence Minister A.K. Antony to assure parliament this week that fresh negotiations were once again under way.
"At present, the price escalation is in the negotiation stage and nothing has been finalised," Antony said, but he conceded India was paying "a substantially huge price" for the Admiral's refit.
New Delhi has already paid hundreds of millions of dollars in advance to Russia's state-run Sevmash shipyard.
"It's no doubt giving India a severe headache but we're stuck with it because if we pull out now, we don't get back a penny," said retired Gen. V. N. Sharma, a former chief of India's million-plus army.
India must also dig deeper into its pocket for tens of millions of dollars extra to equip the docked Admiral Gorshkov with Sukhoi-30 warjets and Russian missiles, officials say.
Russia's state-run defence export agency Rosoboronexport, which is handling the deal, has rejected suggestions that it is short-changing India.
"Every step in the process of the refit of the aircraft carrier is monitored by the Indian navy's technical team and they have never raised objections," spokesman Vyacheslav Davidenko was quoted as saying by the Press Trust of India.
The shipyard refitting the vessel has insisted that the cost escalations are due to Indian demands for features not included in the original contract.
Minister Antony says New Delhi, which is trying to build an aircraft carrier of its own, was forced to turn to Russia as no other country would give India a tactical vessel of such a size.
Russia, which accounts for 70 percent of India's military hardware, has up to $9 billion worth of defense orders from New Delhi in the pipeline.
General Sharma said he believes the Russians "grossly miscalculated when writing up this contract in 2004".
But retired Rear Adm. Raja Menon, who was associated with the project, said he believes Russia is seeking to get as much out of India as it can.
He said Moscow is in the habit of arm-twisting its traditional weapons buyers.
"Russia's track record is very poor in this regard and this time the nation has to take a call on this," he said.
"In other contracts too they had escalated costs and thought they could get away with it again," Menon said.

AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
Published: 1 Aug 2009 10:25