Amphibious Ready Group (ARG), light carriers CVL als basis ipv LHD

Gestart door Harald, 13/02/2017 | 14:49 uur

Oorlogsvis

Ok best handig deze schepen ...de landing zal veel sneller gaan zo dan steeds met een paar LCU's op en neer te varen naar de LPD, nu zet je in een klap
al je voertuigen zo op het strand.
Alleen die Helikopter erop snap ik nog niet zo ...zit geen  hangar op bijvoorbeeld en het is een schip om je troepen op het strand af te zetten niet om
langdurig met een heli te varen.

Een LPD vervangen door 6 van deze ?

Sparkplug

Uit het rapport van reactie #141

CitaatShip Design
The Navy wants LAWs to be a relatively simple and relatively inexpensive ships with the
following features, among others:
  • a minimum length of 200 feet;
  • a maximum draft of 12 feet;
  • a ship's crew of no more than 40 Navy sailors;
  • an ability to embark at least 75 Marines;
  • a minimum of 8,000 square feet of cargo area for the Marines' weapons, equipment, and supplies;
  • a stern or bow landing ramp for moving the Marines and their weapons, equipment, and supplies the ship to shore (and vice versa) across a beach;
  • a modest suite of C4I equipment;21
  • a 25mm or 30mm gun system and .50 caliber machine guns for self-defense;
  • a minimum transit speed of 14 knots;
  • a minimum unrefueled transit range of 3,500 nautical miles;
  • an ability to operate within fleet groups or deploy independently; and
  • a 10-year expected service life.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46374
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Ace1


Ace1

Citaat van: Umbert op 23/09/2020 | 11:03 uur
Ze willen dus een schip dat op de JSS lijkt maar dan met een well deck en/of flatdeck. En dat ook nog eens een behoorlijke bewapening heeft. Wordt een duur schip

Dit is het concept wat ze willen.










Umbert

Citaat van: Harald op 23/09/2020 | 11:12 uur
Nee,
Ik dacht ook eerst in die richting of een eigenlijk meer een XO achtig ontwerp, maar ... lengte is maar 200 voet = ca. 60 meter
Zie onderstaand voor de specificaties van LAW



OK dank U

Ace1


Sparkplug

Citaat van: Umbert op 23/09/2020 | 11:03 uur
Ze willen dus een schip dat op de JSS lijkt maar dan met een well deck en/of flatdeck. En dat ook nog eens een behoorlijke bewapening heeft. Wordt een duur schip

Citaat van: Harald op 23/09/2020 | 11:12 uur
Nee,
Ik dacht ook eerst in die richting of een eigenlijk meer een XO achtig ontwerp, maar ... lengte is maar 200 voet = ca. 60 meter
.../...

Zie reactie #141 voor artikel en rapport over Light Amphibious Warship (LAW).
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Harald

Citaat van: Umbert op 23/09/2020 | 11:03 uur
Ze willen dus een schip dat op de JSS lijkt maar dan met een well deck en/of flatdeck.

Nee,
Ik dacht ook eerst in die richting of een eigenlijk meer een XO achtig ontwerp, maar ... lengte is maar 200 voet = ca. 60 meter
Zie onderstaand voor de specificaties van LAW


Umbert

Citaat van: Harald op 23/09/2020 | 10:28 uur
Marine Corps' Builds New Littoral Regiment, Eye On Fake Chinese Islands

The Corps is looking for a unit that is "very low signature and that give us the firepower that we need to be a relevant force that provides consequences, should we get past the deterrence phase,"  Maj. Gen. Kevin Iiams, assistant deputy commandant of Combat Development, said.

The Marine Corps is moving quickly to develop a new kind of infantry unit to challenge Chinese claims on small islands in the Pacific, while the Navy is developing new and smaller ships to move and supply them once they deploy.

The new Littoral Regiments won't be fully fleshed out for several years, but Marine Corps leaders said today they will be bolstered by logistics and air defense battalions once they're ready to go.

The Corps is wargaming "what assets would we be able to place in that battle space that are very low signature and that give us the firepower that we need to be a relevant force that provides consequences, should we get past the deterrence phase,"  Maj. Gen. Kevin Iiams, assistant deputy commandant of Combat Development, told reporters at the virtual Modern Day Marine event today.

The Corps envisions three new regiments, with two based in Japan and one in Guam.

Plans call for the regiment to undergo wargames and experimentation for about three years until a unit is fleshed out and ready to actually deploy.

"Much like our [Marine air-ground task forces] that we have now, there are support elements to it," Iiams said. "So, we'll have a littoral combat team; we'll have a littoral logistics battalion; and we'll have an anti-air battalion," Iiams added.

The units are part of the Corps' effort to move toward building a fast-moving, hard to detect "inside force" that can operate within range of Chinese and Russian weapons ranges while packing a potent offensive punch.

Over the summer, the Navy met with shipbuilders to talk about plans for a new class of logistics ship that can operate under fire and resupply Marines deep within the range of enemy precision weapons. The Next Generation Medium Logistics Ship would resupply both ships at sea, as well as small, ad hoc bases ashore.

There is also the Light Amphibious Warship, or LAW, which the Navy is working to define, which will be able to carry Marines as well as fuel and supplies — but also have the capability to share information with other parts of the fleet hundreds of miles away. "I see these LAWs as part of Marine organizations," Marine Maj. Gen. Tracy King said last month, adding, "and those larger Marine organizations being part of an Expeditionary Strike Group — that's a little bit new. We're evolving not only the stuff that we're acquiring, but the way in which we're going to use it and the way in which we're going to fight it."

The Navy and Marines eventually hope to build over twenty LAWs, if the designs and cost per ship works out.

https://breakingdefense.com/2020/09/marine-corps-builds-new-littoral-regiment-eye-on-fake-chinese-islands/?_ga=2.81554258.472312592.1600848183-855280167.1506406488

Ze willen dus een schip dat op de JSS lijkt maar dan met een well deck en/of flatdeck. En dat ook nog eens een behoorlijke bewapening heeft. Wordt een duur schip

Harald

Marine Corps' Builds New Littoral Regiment, Eye On Fake Chinese Islands

The Corps is looking for a unit that is "very low signature and that give us the firepower that we need to be a relevant force that provides consequences, should we get past the deterrence phase,"  Maj. Gen. Kevin Iiams, assistant deputy commandant of Combat Development, said.

The Marine Corps is moving quickly to develop a new kind of infantry unit to challenge Chinese claims on small islands in the Pacific, while the Navy is developing new and smaller ships to move and supply them once they deploy.

The new Littoral Regiments won't be fully fleshed out for several years, but Marine Corps leaders said today they will be bolstered by logistics and air defense battalions once they're ready to go.

The Corps is wargaming "what assets would we be able to place in that battle space that are very low signature and that give us the firepower that we need to be a relevant force that provides consequences, should we get past the deterrence phase,"  Maj. Gen. Kevin Iiams, assistant deputy commandant of Combat Development, told reporters at the virtual Modern Day Marine event today.

The Corps envisions three new regiments, with two based in Japan and one in Guam.

Plans call for the regiment to undergo wargames and experimentation for about three years until a unit is fleshed out and ready to actually deploy.

"Much like our [Marine air-ground task forces] that we have now, there are support elements to it," Iiams said. "So, we'll have a littoral combat team; we'll have a littoral logistics battalion; and we'll have an anti-air battalion," Iiams added.

The units are part of the Corps' effort to move toward building a fast-moving, hard to detect "inside force" that can operate within range of Chinese and Russian weapons ranges while packing a potent offensive punch.

Over the summer, the Navy met with shipbuilders to talk about plans for a new class of logistics ship that can operate under fire and resupply Marines deep within the range of enemy precision weapons. The Next Generation Medium Logistics Ship would resupply both ships at sea, as well as small, ad hoc bases ashore.

There is also the Light Amphibious Warship, or LAW, which the Navy is working to define, which will be able to carry Marines as well as fuel and supplies — but also have the capability to share information with other parts of the fleet hundreds of miles away. "I see these LAWs as part of Marine organizations," Marine Maj. Gen. Tracy King said last month, adding, "and those larger Marine organizations being part of an Expeditionary Strike Group — that's a little bit new. We're evolving not only the stuff that we're acquiring, but the way in which we're going to use it and the way in which we're going to fight it."

The Navy and Marines eventually hope to build over twenty LAWs, if the designs and cost per ship works out.

https://breakingdefense.com/2020/09/marine-corps-builds-new-littoral-regiment-eye-on-fake-chinese-islands/?_ga=2.81554258.472312592.1600848183-855280167.1506406488

Sparkplug

A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Huzaar1

Precies. Dit soort initiatieven zijn nodig. Grote carrierschepen zijn echt veel te kwetsbaar. Te hoge concentratie. High value targets.
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion" US secmindef - Jed Babbin"

Harald

'If It Floats, It Fights:' Navy's New Small Ship Strategy

Existing amphibious ships might be the "Swiss Army Knife of the fleet," but the Navy and Marines want an enemy who "jumps on it in the opening gambit...they're gonna have the shock of their life."

We're getting the first glimpses of the Navy's new force structure plan, as officials begin dropping clues about the Pentagon's months-long effort to war game new plans for modernizing the Navy and Marine Corps.

Previous comments from the reform-minded Marine Commandant have suggested that those plans will include moving Marines from large, big-deck amphibious ships to smaller, faster and harder to track ships that can move Marines around contested areas in the western Pacific or the crowded Baltic Sea quickly.

And it's become clear that one way to do that is to buy dozens of what's being dubbed the light amphibious warship, or LAW.

"I think we're late to need with building the Light Amphibious Warship, which is why we're trying to go so quickly," Marine Maj. Gen. Tracy King told the virtual Surface Navy conference Thursday. The Navy is looking to replicate what it did with the recent frigate award, which moved quickly to identify and buy an existing design to start building as soon as possible.

The small amphibs are being considered primarily for moving troops around faster than the big decks can, while providing presence in the littorals and operating among archipelagos while offering Chinese missiles and aircraft a smaller target. The Marines also want to make sure that the ships can defend themselves.

The emerging motto is, "if it floats, it fights," King said. That also applies to the Navy's existing amphibious ships, which outside of the Harrier jets, and increasingly, F-35s, have little offensive punch. The existing amphibious ships are the "Swiss Army Knife of the fleet," he said, but "we need to increase the lethality on this ship. So, we want, when somebody jumps on it in the opening gambit, they're gonna get surprised. And they're gonna have the shock of their life."

The idea is that the LAW will be able to carry excess fuel and supplies, but can also share information with other parts of the fleet hundreds of miles away. "I see these LAWs as part of Marine organizations," King said. "And those larger Marine organizations being part of an Expeditionary Strike Group — that's a little bit new. So, we're evolving not only the stuff that we're acquiring, but the way in which we're going to use it and the way in which we're going to fight it."

Early plans suggest the Navy and Marines will buy as many as 30 of these ships between 2023 and 2026. In briefing slides presented to the defense industry this spring, the Navy said the 200- 400 ft. LAWs should be based on mature commercial designs that can carry a crew of 30 and travel 3,500 nautical miles.

With defense budgets expected to remain flat for the next several years at least, the new ships will have to fit within a constrained budget. And since they'll be small, with only so much defensive capability, "she really needs to know what's going on," King said, "and she needs to have a sheepdog watching out for her. That might be an LPD-17, it might be a DDG Flight III, it might be an LCS, depending on what the fleet commander sees is the situation."

The Navy isn't only looking to go smaller in its new force structure plan. It also wants to build a new large surface combatant, with its requirements due to the Chief of Naval Operations by the end of the year.

Appearing alongside King, the navy's director of surface warfare, Rear Adm. Paul Schlise, said the bigger ship is being envisioned as joining with Flight III Arleigh Burke destroyers "as the future high-end of our force mix in the surface combatant force."

It's not clear what the ship will look like, as the Navy has pushed back the start of the effort to 2026.

I asked the Navy's top acquisition official, James Geurts, for details on how the service is moving out on plans for these new classes of ships before the Pentagon wraps up its wargaming and delivers the final shipbuilding and force structure plan this fall.

Geurts said the broad strokes of what the navy and Marine Corps are looking for is already clear, and planners need "to start dialing in and refining requirements" now. "And from that we'll then be able to craft the acquisition strategy and work programmatic detail — I would say where everybody's aligned on where we're trying to go, we're in the refinement process there, which will then lead to the acquisition strategy."

Pentagon officials have said the force structure plan, originally slated to be released in February, remains on track for this fall. It's unclear how much of it will be made public.

https://breakingdefense.com/2020/08/if-it-floats-it-fights-navys-new-small-ship-strategy/?_ga=2.202980753.1457071532.1598858947-855280167.1506406488


Sparkplug

Link naar het complete rapport Navy Light Amphibious Warship (LAW), Program: Background and Issues for Congress van 27-05-2020.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6932710/Navy-Light-Amphibious-Warship-LAW-Program.pdf
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.