Turkish army says it lost contact with plane

[bergd]

Turkije tolereert niets van meer van Syrië
KILIS - Het geduld van Turkije met Syrië is helemaal op. Ankara duldt geen enkele 'grap' meer van het buurland.

'Als Syrië nog één fout maakt, schieten we. Zonder aarzeling.' Suphi Atan, de vertegenwoordiger van het Turkse ministerie van Buitenlandse Zaken in grensprovincie Kilis en verantwoordelijk voor de vluchtelingenkampen aan de grens, windt er geen doekjes om. Ankara mag dan niet uit zijn op een oorlog met de buren, maar de drang tot vergelding is groot. Of Turkije zich zal weten te beheersen, moet blijken.

Donderdag werden vijf Turkse vrachtwagens in Syrië - drie kilometer van de grens in Kilis - onder vuur genomen. Honderd kilometer verderop proberen de Turkse brandweer in Syrië ontstane bosbranden te bedwingen. Volgens de media zijn de branden aangestoken door de mannen van Assad. Vandaag houdt het leger in Malatya een ceremonie voor de twee piloten die op 22 juni met hun straaljager door Syrië werd neergehaald. De lichamen van de 'martelaren' werden deze week voor de Syrische kust gelokaliseerd. Het zijn stuk voor stuk berichten die de woede van de Turken verder aanwakkeren.

Suphi Atan in het Kilis-vluchtelingenkamp, lijkt te hopen op een aanleiding van Syrische zijde. Hij stopt een pistool in zijn broekriem. 'Persoonlijke veiligheid.' Wat de 12.0000 vluchtelingen in het kamp betreft, komt Turkije liever vandaag dan morgen in actie.

criminelen
'De Turkse premier Erdogan moet niets meer accepteren van Assad', zegt de 23-jarige Mozna uit Aleppo. De economie studente vluchtte drie maanden geleden - met haar ouders, twee zussen en twee broertjes - de grens over. 'Mijn twee oudere broers vechten nu bij het Vrije Syrische Leger. Ik spreek hen bijna dagelijks, maar ik ben elke dag bang dat het de laatste keer is.' Haar 18-jarige zus laat een filmpje op haar mobieltje zien: gruwelijke beelden van verkoolde lijken in een woning in Aleppo. 'De wereld moet iets doen'.

De 23-jarige rebel Mithat wacht niet op de wereld. Hij steekt morgen de grens weer over om te vechten. 'Steeds meer soldaten lopen weg uit het leger van Assad. Het Vrije Syrische Leger wordt steeds groter. Er zijn nu jongens van vijftien die met ons vechten.'

De Syrische arts Serif, in het ziekenhuis van Kilis, ziet de verschrikkingen van de strijd, zoals kinderen die tussen de ogen zijn geschoten. 'Het ergste zijn nu de paramilitaire bendes. Dat zijn geen soldaten, maar criminelen. Ze geven om niets en niemand. Assad heeft ze allemaal een wapen gegeven.'

Bron: ND

[Lex]

Dat had ik ook gedaan Lex. Waarschijnlijk over heen gelezen. 

Uit je posting was niet direct de bron op te maken. In dit geval was het duidelijker als je de zinsnede : "Bron" had toegevoegd.

Lex
Algeheel beheerder

[Jah]

Dat had ik ook gedaan Lex. Waarschijnlijk over heen gelezen. 

[Lex]

Search teams find bodies of Turkish pilots shot down by Syria

Search and rescue team have located the bodies of two Turkish pilots of a jet downed by Syria in the Mediterranean Sea today.

Pilot Capt. Gökhan Ertan and pilot Lt. Hasan Hüseyin Aksoy had been missing since their RF-4 plane was shot down by Syria on June 22.

The Turkish Army altered its rules of engagement regarding Syrian military targets after the downing of the jet. Any Syrian military vessel approaching the Turkish border will be considered a "threat," Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said at a party meeting on June 26.

"Syria has become a clear and present danger for Turkey," Erdoğan said the same day.

Turkey has sent missile batteries, tanks and troops to the border last week. Dozens of military vehicles headed for the border in a convoy that included air defense systems.

Turkey claims the plane was shot in international airspace with a heat- or laser-guided missile, but Syria rejects the claims, saying the Turkish jet was shot by anti-aircraft gunners as it flew at an altitude of 100 meters within Syrian airspace.

POLITICS - Search teams find bodies of Turkish pilots shot down by Syria

RIP.

Jah,
Vzke een bronvermelding te plaatsen.

Lex
Algeheel beheerder

[dudge]

Dan kan het "drone-complot-theorie-verhaal" ook weer in de prullenbak.

RIP voor de 2 bemanningsleden.

Neuj hoor.
De gleufhoed vrienden hebben wel gekkere dingen op hun naam staan.

In ieder geval voor de families goed dat ze zijn teruggevonden.

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Search teams find bodies of Turkish pilots shot down by Syria

Dan kan het "drone-complot-theorie-verhaal" ook weer in de prullenbak.

RIP voor de 2 bemanningsleden.

[Jah]

Search teams find bodies of Turkish pilots shot down by Syria

Search and rescue team have located the bodies of two Turkish pilots of a jet downed by Syria in the Mediterranean Sea today.

Pilot Capt. Gökhan Ertan and pilot Lt. Hasan Hüseyin Aksoy had been missing since their RF-4 plane was shot down by Syria on June 22.

The Turkish Army altered its rules of engagement regarding Syrian military targets after the downing of the jet. Any Syrian military vessel approaching the Turkish border will be considered a "threat," Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said at a party meeting on June 26.

"Syria has become a clear and present danger for Turkey," Erdoğan said the same day.

Turkey has sent missile batteries, tanks and troops to the border last week. Dozens of military vehicles headed for the border in a convoy that included air defense systems.

Turkey claims the plane was shot in international airspace with a heat- or laser-guided missile, but Syria rejects the claims, saying the Turkish jet was shot by anti-aircraft gunners as it flew at an altitude of 100 meters within Syrian airspace.

POLITICS - Search teams find bodies of Turkish pilots shot down by Syria

RIP.

[Harald]

Russia says Turkish jet provoked Syrian military: report

July 04, 2012 10:56 AM

MOSCOW: A Turkish fighter jet shot down by Syria last month asked for trouble when it entered Syrian airspace, the Interfax news agency quoted an unnamed Russian source as saying on Tuesday.

"The actions of the Turkish plane were no doubt a provocation. Otherwise how would you explain the fact that the fighter jet flew two, albeit short, sorties in the Syrian airspace?"

"The crew had to have only one motive for such actions -- to test the combat readiness of the Syrian air defense systems and it indeed tested them. And also to conduct a reconnaissance of the strength and capabilities of the Syrian air defense systems in the coastal direction," it said.

The source quoted by Interfax did not make clear where the information came from.

"In any case, the crew of the Turkish Phantom have tried hard to literally ask for the Syrian air defenses' fire," the source was quoted as saying.

Syria's President Bashar Assad -- whose government is locked in a deadly conflict with the opposition -- said this week he regretted that his country's defense forces shot down Turkey's F-4 Phantom jet but insisted the plane was in Syrian airspace.

He said the soldier who shot down the plane had no radar and could not know to which country the plane belonged. ....  .. ?

Turkey viewed the loss of its fighter jet as a hostile act and has taken steps to fortify its border with Syria.

Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2012/Jul-04/179322-russia-says-turkish-jet-provoked-syrian-military-report.ashx#ixzz1zee5MbhQ
(The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: http://www.dailystar.com.lb)

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Was the Turkish F-4 Phantom shot down by Syria actually a drone? A new interesting theory emerges.

July 2, 2012

Since the news that a Turkish Air Force RF-4E had been shot down by Syria on Jun. 22, I've received several comments and emails from known and reliable sources as well as anonymous people.

Among the hundreds hints, a  few suggested that the Phantom downed in mysterious circumstances by a Syrian anti-aircraft artillery  off Latakia, was actually a remotely controlled aircraft (a drone), being used to either spying on Assad's regime activities in northern Syria, or probing Damascus air defenses, as suggested by a NATO pilot and reportedly routinely done in the Aegean with the Greek ones.

Although the chances that Ankara has modified one its Phantoms to be remotely piloted and used for covert missions inside the Syrian airspace seem to be scarce, I can't completely rule out the possibility that a sort-of QF-4 (the U.S. aerial target drone F-4) is (or was) flying with the Turkish Air Force.

The TuAF operates the Anka drones, a family of unmanned aerial vehicles (with configuration and size comparable to the MQ-1 and MQ-9) developed by Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) for use by Turkey's Air Force.

According to some sources, with some U.S. help (Americans play a role in almost all conspiracy theories...) TAI could have modified some of its Phantoms to perform unmanned, dangerous spying missions, in which a much faster type of aircraft, offering a higher sensors payload, is needed.

However, it's just an intriguing theory that was probably fueled by the mysterious flight path of the plane (that included a leg well inside the "enemy airspace") and, above all, the fact that neither the bodies nor remains of the RF-4E crew members (whose names were released) were recovered since the search and rescue operation was launched in the aftermath of the downing.

In the meanwhile, the Ankara has released new and even more detailed data about the downed plane [that used radio callsign "Safak 46"] on Jul. 1 in response to the WSJ article that quoted U.S. intelligence sources that backed the Syrian account of the incident.

Here's a rough translation of the Turkish General Staff statement:

1. The statement is needed to answer the claims based on the story published by foreign press organs about the downing of the aircraft by Syria in international airspace on Jun. 22, 2012.

2. As already stated several times before, the aircraft was shot down in international airspace while flying as a single plane, an unarmed flight mission to test existing radar installations in the region.

3.  According with our radar data, and as a result of our investigations: the aircraft took off from Erhac / Malatya at 1030, vectored towards Eastern Mediterranean, approached waypoint #1 at 11:06 local time started to cruise at an altitude of 21,400ft. The aircraft approached waypoint #2 at 11:14 at 8,600ft, waypoint #3 at 11:23 at 7,500ft, waypoint #4 at 11:37 at 2,000ft and return leg for a second test run at 11:50 at 3,000ft. Violation of Syrian airspace lasted about 5 minutes. According to the analysis of radar track and radio comms during the second leg approaching waypoint #4 the aircraft suddenly lost altitude at 7,400 feet altitude at 11:56 and contact was lost at 11:57, in international airspace.

4. Immediately after, a search and rescue mission started and a public statement has been made.

5. Subsequently it was learned that our aircraft was brought down by Syria.

6. As a result, based on the research, analyisis of the radar track history and investigation, the aircraft was hit approximately 13 miles off Syrian airspace, and the last point that the aircraft was flying stable was 35 48.22 North, 33.21 East 35th. From this point the aircraft quickly lost speed and altitude and Syria crashed in Syrian territorial waters 8.5 miles off the coast approximately at 35 48.26 North, 37.59 East.

7. There is no information about the fate of our pilots.

8. The Nautilus ship, used to recover the wreckage of the aircraft is expected to arrive in the area by the evening of Monday Jul. 2.

http://theaviationist.com/2012/07/02/tuaf-f4-drone/

[Harald]

of willen ze nu ook nog weer een link met Iran maken ?.. eerst Israel, nu Iran, straks .... Rusland ? .. want er stond een Russische wapen-instructeur naast de man die de knop indrukte ?

Allemaal ruis op de lijn, basis is dat Syrie een Turkse F-4 Phantom geeft neergehaald.

Een belangrijke vraag is : wat is er met de bemanning gebeurt ? ... eruit gesprongen en gevangen genomen of gedood ?

Kijk eens aan, ...... komt het toch nog uit ....

Russian specialists were involved in the dropping of the Turkish jet last week, the Sunday Times reported on Sunday.

Citing Middle Eastern diplomatic sources, the Times reported that the decision to down the Turkish jet was intended to signal a warning to NATO to stay out of the conflict raging in Syria for over a year.

The paper said that Russia has supplied Syria with advanced anti-aircraft missile systems three years ago, adding it was believed that some Russian specialists are still stationed at the missile battery control centers, where they had trained the Syrian forces to use the missiles.

“We would not be surprised if these Russian experts, if they didn’t push the button, at least were beside the Syrian officers who did it,” an Israeli air force source told the British paper.

alleen blijft de vraag nog steeds open : wat is er met de bemanning gebeurt ??

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Russian Technicians Involved in Syria Downing Turkish jet: Report

01-07-2012

Russian specialists were involved in the dropping of the Turkish jet last week, the Sunday Times reported on Sunday.

Citing Middle Eastern diplomatic sources, the Times reported that the decision to down the Turkish jet was intended to signal a warning to NATO to stay out of the conflict raging in Syria for over a year.

The paper said that Russia has supplied Syria with advanced anti-aircraft missile systems three years ago, adding it was believed that some Russian specialists are still stationed at the missile battery control centers, where they had trained the Syrian forces to use the missiles.

"We would not be surprised if these Russian experts, if they didn't push the button, at least were beside the Syrian officers who did it," an Israeli air force source told the British paper.
Syrian anti-aircraft guns downed a Turkish jet as it violated Damascus' airspace on June 22.

Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc said the plane had briefly entered Syrian airspace on June 22 as it approached land after patrolling the eastern Mediterranean.
Arinc said the jet was warned by Turkish radar controllers and immediately left and turned again out to sea, adding it then made another approach to land when it was shot down.

"According to the data in our hands, it points to our plane being shot by a laser or heat-guided surface-to-air missile. The fact our plane was not given an early radar warning, suggests it was not a radar-guided missile," said Arinc.

Ankara requested a meeting of NATO's North Atlantic Council to discuss the incident, which it has branded an "act of aggression". Damascus said it shot the aircraft down in self-defense after it strayed into Syrian airspace.
Following the meeting, NATO voiced support to Turkey.

http://www1.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?eid=60659&frid=31&seccatid=81&cid=31&fromval=1

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

The Wall Street Journal: Doubts Cast on Turkey's Story of Jet

U.S. intelligence indicates that a Turkish warplane shot down by Syrian forces was most likely hit by shore-based antiaircraft guns while it was inside Syrian airspace, American officials said, a finding in tune with Syria's account and at odds with Turkey.

Damascus has said it shot down the plane with an antiaircraft battery with an effective range of about 1.5 miles.

"We see no indication that it was shot down by a surface-to-air missile" as Turkey says, said a senior defense official. Officials declined to specify the sources of their information. The senior U.S. defense official cautioned that much remains unknown about the incident.

The use of antiaircraft fire would suggest the Turkish plane was flying low to the ground, and slowly, U.S. officials said—though Syria said the jet was.

If hit by antiaircraft fire, the jet likely came closer to the Syrian shoreline than Turkey says, U.S. officials said.

Some current and former American officials believe Ankara has been testing Syrian defenses. The version of the Turkish F-4 Phantom that was shot down typically carries surveillance equipment, according to U.S. defense officials.

http://www.syriaonline.sy/?f=Details&pageid=2829&catid=24

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

VS zoeken naar Turks toestel

ANKARA - Een Amerikaans onderzoeksschip gaat helpen bij de zoektocht naar het vorige week door Syrië neergehaalde Turkse verkenningsvliegtuig. Dat heeft het Turkse ministerie van buitenlandse zaken vrijdag bekendgemaakt.

Het onderzoeksschip, de E/V Nautilus, vertrekt later vrijdag vanuit de haven van Istanbul en sluit zich naar verwachting begon volgende week aan bij de zoekactie die plaatsheeft in Syrische wateren.

Damascus is op de hoogte gesteld en Turkse functionarissen coördineren aan boord van het schip de zoektocht. De Nautilus was al in Turkije, omdat het schip onderzoek zou gaan doen in de Zwarte Zee, de Egeïsche Zee en de Middellandse Zee.

geplaatst:
29-06-2012 - 17.15

http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2012/juni/29/vs-zoeken-naar-turks-toestel

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

'Syrische tanks naar Turkse grens'

EPA Toegevoegd: vrijdag 29 jun 2012, 03:48

Een hoge militair van het Syrische verzet zegt dat het regime 170 tanks in de richting van de Turkse grens ten noorden van Aleppo heeft gestuurd. Volgens hem is niet duidelijk of de tanks verplaatst zijn vanwege de spanningen met Turkije of dat ze bedoeld zijn voor een aanval op opstandige steden en dorpen.

Generaal Mustafa al-Sheikh zegt dat de tanks verzameld zijn bij de Infanterie School, op 30 kilometer van de grens. Al-Sheikh is hoofd van de Hogere Militaire Raad, een vereniging van officieren die zijn gedeserteerd uit het Syrische leger. Zijn bewering kan niet uit onafhankelijke bron worden bevestigd.

De spanningen tussen Syrië en Turkije zijn hoog opgelopen sinds Syrië vorige week een Turkse straaljager neerschoot. Gisteren heeft het Turkse leger versterkingen naar de grens gestuurd.

Crisisberaad

Zaterdag is er in Genève hoog overleg over de crisis in Syrië. Op uitnodiging van de speciale gezant Kofi Annan komen onder meer VN-topman Ban ki-Moon en de ministers van Buitenlandse Zaken van de VS, Groot-Brittannië, Frankrijk China en Rusland bijeen. Annan wil dat ze een speciale groep vormen die een uitweg moet zoeken uit de burgeroorlog in het land.

Bron: NOS

[michielnr]

Turks militair konvooi onderweg naar Syrische grens

ANKARA - Een Turks militair konvooi bestaande uit ongeveer 30 voertuigen is naar verluidt onderweg naar de Syrische grens.

Dat melden Turkse media donderdag. De verhoudingen tussen Turkije en Syrië staan op scherp. Syrië haalde op 22 juni een Turks gevechtsvliegtuig neer op de zeegrens tussen de twee landen.
De militaire stoet vertrok uit de kuststad Iskenderun, 50 kilometer van de Syrische grens. Er zouden voertuigen met raketinstallaties bij zijn. Volgens het staatspersbureau Anatolia zijn er ook pantservoertuigen onderweg naar de stad Sanliurfa, die op 75 kilometer van de Syrische grens ligt.
Turkije reageerde tot nu toe afwachtend op de beschieting, omdat het land geen oorlog wil met Syrië. Woensdag nog zei de Turkse premier Recep Tayyip Erdogan dat ''de Turkse natie geen intentie heeft om aan te vallen''.

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2846288/turks-militair-konvooi-onderweg-syrische-grens.html