General Hits US Spy Ops in Afghanistan

Gestart door Leovanw, 06/01/2010 | 15:33 uur

Elzenga

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Citaat van: Ros op 07/01/2010 | 14:02 uur
Dat zal a.s. dinsdag moeten blijken als het rapport over Irak naar buiten komt. Hoeveel US Intell is door onze wijze leiders voor zoete koek aangenomen............... :omg:

Als zou blijken dat er beslissingen genomen zijn op basis van onbetrouwbare informatie zal het mij niet verbazen als er op korte termijn verkiezingen nodig zijn en er maar een conclusie getrokken kan worden wat Afghanistan betreft.
De vraag is of men wel beslissingen heeft genomen op basis van foute informatie.....of dat men net als de Amerikaanse en Britse Regering toen juist om foutieve (en dus gefabriceerde) informatie heeft gevraagd om "bewijzen" aan te voeren voor wat men graag wilde gaan doen...namelijk Saddam Hoessein via een gewelddadige invasie te verwijderen. Ik ben bang dat men zal wijzen op externe foutief gebleken informatie..zo van..tja wij wisten niet beter toen!!...terwijl het natuurlijk een veel ernstigere zaak wordt (maar ik vermoed dus wel dichter bij de waarheid) als men net als de Regeringen Bush en Blair de zaak heeft omgedraaid.

Dit soort berichten zijn echter wel verontrustend. Want die algemene kennis is zo fundamenteel voor het slagen van dit soort operaties. Een vriend van mij, werkzaam op het vakgebied, is daar nu ook mee bezig.

Ros

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Citaat van: boekje_pienter op 07/01/2010 | 12:57 uur
Ergo: het Amerikaanse inlichtingenapparaat is zijns ondanks onbekwaam!
Geen vrolijkmakende conclusie, ook in het licht van het aanstaande kabinetsbesluit over wel of niet in Afghanistan blijven...

Dat zal a.s. dinsdag moeten blijken als het rapport over Irak naar buiten komt. Hoeveel US Intell is door onze wijze leiders voor zoete koek aangenomen............... :omg:

Als zou blijken dat er beslissingen genomen zijn op basis van onbetrouwbare informatie zal het mij niet verbazen als er op korte termijn verkiezingen nodig zijn en er maar een conclusie getrokken kan worden wat Afghanistan betreft.

boekje_pienter

Voor nieuwsgaring geldt te allen tijde: ga zo veel mogelijk terug naar de bron.

De bron is in dit geval het rapport zelf: Fixing Intel: A Blueprint for Making Intelligence Relevant in Afghanistan

Één van de auteurs, generaal-majoor Michael T. Flynn (plaatsvervangend cehf-staf op inlichtingengebied in Afghanistan), schrijft: "The paper argues that because the United States has focused the overwhelming majority of collection efforts and analytical brainpower on insurgent groups, our intelligence apparatus still finds itself unable to answer fundamental questions about the environment in which we operate and the people we are trying to protect and persuade."

Ergo: het Amerikaanse inlichtingenapparaat is zijns ondanks onbekwaam!
Geen vrolijkmakende conclusie, ook in het licht van het aanstaande kabinetsbesluit over wel of niet in Afghanistan blijven...

Leovanw


Associated Press

KABUL -- Eight years into the war in Afghanistan, the U.S. intelligence community is only "marginally relevant" to the overall mission, focusing too much on the enemy and not enough on civilian life, according to NATO's top intelligence official.

The stinging assessment - released less than a week after a suicide bomber killed seven CIA employees and a Jordanian intelligence officer in eastern Afghanistan - said field agents are not providing intelligence analysts with the information needed to answer questions asked by President Barack Obama and the top commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal.

U.S. intelligence officials and analysts are "ignorant of local economics and landowners, hazy about who the powerbrokers are and how they might be influenced, incurious about the correlations between various development projects ... and disengaged from people in the best position to find answers," U.S. Maj. Gen. Michael Flynn wrote in a 26-page report released Monday by the Center for a New American Security think tank in Washington.

The officials "can do little but shrug in response to high-level decision makers seeking the knowledge, analysis and information they need to wage a successful counterinsurgency," Flynn wrote in the report, which was co-authored by his adviser, Capt. Matt Pottinger, and Paul Batchelor with the Defense Intelligence Agency.

"These analysts are starved for information from the field - so starved, in fact, that many say their jobs feel more like fortune telling than serious detective work," said the report. "It is little wonder then that many decision makers rely more on newspapers than military intelligence to obtain `ground truth.'"

Field intelligence officers should not limit their reports to diagraming insurgent networks, Flynn suggested. They also should provide information about meetings with villagers and tribal leaders, translated summaries of local radio broadcasts that influence local farmers and field observations of Afghan soldiers and aid workers.

Flynn suggested setting up one-stop information centers where unclassified information could be organized and made available to the military, donor nations and aid workers.

The report does not mention the CIA, which suffered a deadly blow to its operations on Dec. 30 when a suicide bomber attacked inside Camp Chapman, a highly secured forward base in eastern Khost province. The agency could not immediately be reached Tuesday for comment on the report.

The report uses "intelligence community" to refer to the thousands of uniformed and civilian intelligence personnel serving with the Defense Department and joint interagency operations in the country.

In conventional warfare, troops depend on big picture intelligence to figure out their ground strategies, but in a counterinsurgency, troops, aid workers and others on the ground are usually the best informed about the enemy, the report said. Brigade and regional command intelligence summaries that rehash the previous days fighting are of little use compared with periodic reports that also address changes in the local economy, corruption and governance.

"I don't want to say we're clueless, but we are," according to an operations officer quoted in the report. "We're no more than fingernail deep in our understanding of the environment."

"The U.S. intelligence community is only marginally relevant to the overall strategy," the report concluded.

When he took command in Afghanistan in June 2009, McChrystal made similar calls for collecting more "white" information about local goings-on along with "red" analysis about enemy activities. Lt. Gen. David Rodriguez, second-in-command to McChrystal, subsequently ordered regional commands to begin answering wide-ranging questions about the Afghan government and local populations. Little, however, has changed in the collection of mostly enemy-related intelligence, the report said.

The report quotes McChrystal as saying in a recent meeting: "Our senior leaders, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Secretary of Defense, Congress, the president of the United States - are not getting the right information to make decisions with. We must get this right. The media is driving the issues."

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