Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen

Gestart door Lex, 19/12/2015 | 16:32 uur

JdL

Citaat van: Sparkplug op 19/01/2016 | 16:28 uur
maar er zijn ook kritieken van een bedenkelijke aard.
+1
Die de media maar al te graag aangrijpen om het toestel nog verder af te kraken
'The goal is world peace, and to do so you must have strength' Ronald Reagan

Sparkplug

Citaat van: JdL op 19/01/2016 | 16:14 uur
Zijn de banen van Volkel en Leeuwarden op dit moment lang genoeg voor de F-35?

Het is de bedoeling dat komende juni een F-35A naar Nederland komt. Dan weten ze meteen of de start/landingsbanen de juiste lengte hebben  ;)  :lol:

Sommige kritieken op de F-35 zijn terecht, maar er zijn ook kritieken van een bedenkelijke aard.
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

JdL

Zijn de banen van Volkel en Leeuwarden op dit moment lang genoeg voor de F-35?
'The goal is world peace, and to do so you must have strength' Ronald Reagan

Harald

#153
5 Reasons Why Our F-35s Are Too Dangerous to Fly    ( ;))

(Source: American Thinker; posted Jan 17, 2016)
By David Archibald

The F-35 has been around as long as global warming. The aircraft had its origin in the Joint Advanced Strike Technology (JAST) program started by the U.S. Air Force and U.S. Navy in 1993. The word "Strike" in the designation of this program indicates that it was oriented toward developing a light bomber. The following year, the JAST program absorbed the Common Affordable Lightweight Fighter program and a separate short take-off/vertical landing program.

This became the Joint Strike Fighter program, with the aim of producing a common airframe and engine across the U.S. Air Force, U.S. Navy, and U.S. Marine Corps. (.../...)

Many years then passed. The production prototype F-35 first flew in 2006.

The flying characteristics of an aircraft can be determined from its statistics – that is, things like the weight divided by the wing area, weight relative to thrust, etc. The F-35 was still a light bomber. Its engine is optimized for operating at about 20,000 feet. By 2008, simulations had shown that the F-35 was not fit to be a fighter aircraft. This was in a RAND study by Dr. John Stillion, which concluded that the F-35 "can't turn, can't climb, can't run."

Now, ten years after the F-35 first flew, it remains in development, though 180 have been built. None of those aircraft can operate in combat; all will have to be modified if and when the final design has been settled on. There is not much point in doing that, because the F-35 has a number of show-stoppers that would kill it instantly in a rational world. These include:

1. The F-35's engine is failing at too high a rate, and its reliability is not improving fast enough to be approved for operational use. The F-35 has a poorly designed, unreliable engine – the largest, hottest, and heaviest engine ever put in a fighter plane. (.../...)

The project recognized the engine's limitations in 2012 by announcing an intention to change performance specifications for the F-35A, reducing sustained turn performance from 9.0g to 4.6g and extending the time for acceleration from 0.8 Mach to 1.2 Mach by 8 seconds. (.../...)

2. The F-35 requires a runway at least 8,000 feet long to operate from. By comparison, the F-16's minimum runway length requirement is 3,000 feet.

3. The F-35's operating cost of $50,000 per hour means that we won't be able to afford to give its pilots enough flying time to be fully proficient. The same problem afflicts the F-22 with its $70,000-per-hour operating cost. (.../...)

4. Being designed as a light bomber, the F-35 is less maneuverable than fighter designs up to 50 years old and will be shot out of the sky by modern fighter aircraft. Thus, it wasn't a surprise when an F-16 outflew an F-35 in mock combat in early 2015, a result entirely predictable from simulation. (.../...)

The F-35 uses its fuel for cooling its electronics. The aircraft won't start if its fuel is too warm, making deployment in warmer regions problematic. At the Yuma and Luke U.S. Air Force bases in Arizona, fuel trucks for the F-35 are painted white, parked in covered bays, and chilled with water mist systems because the jet won't even start if the fuel is already too warm to cool the electronics.

5. The F-35 has a logistics system (ALIS)  that requires an internet connection to a centralized maintenance system in the United States (.../...) If the internet link is down, the aircraft can't fly even if there is nothing wrong with it. (.../...)

Those are the known show-stoppers; the F-35 has many other mere deficiencies. (end of edited excerpt)

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/170464/five-reasons-why-the-f_35-is-too-dangerous-to-fly.html

voor gehele originele artikel :
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/01/5_reasons_why_our_f35s_are_too_dangerous_to_fly.html#ixzz3xWMuo4DI

Harald

Germany's Tornado jets 'can't fly at night'

Berlin: German Tornado jets deployed to Syria for reconnaissance missions can't fly at night, Bild daily reported on Tuesday in a new embarrassment for the defence ministry which has been battling equipment problems.

The six aircraft sent to Syria are fitted with surveillance technology, and had been touted as being capable of taking high-resolution photos and infrared images, even at night and in bad weather.

But Bild reported that night flights were impossible as pilots are blinded by the cockpit light which is far too bright.

A defence ministry spokesman admitted that there is "a small technical problem that has to do with the cockpit lighting".

"It is possible that the night goggles worn by pilots result in reflections," he said, adding that the ministry was looking at resolving the problem within the next two weeks.

He added that there was "currently no need to fly at night in Syria" and that the deployment was performing at "100 percent".

Germany's military has faced criticism in recent months over the state of its weaponry.

Its G36 assault rifle which is being phased out by the army became the butt of jokes after reports that it had trouble firing straight at high temperatures.

Der Spiegel magazine had also reported last year that only four of the military's 39 NH90 helicopters were currently useable.

Most recently, the army said the external fuel tank of one of its Eurofighter combat planes fell off as it was preparing for takeoff.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/europe/190116/germany-s-tornado-reconnaisance-jets-can-t-fly-at-night.html

Sparkplug

Combat-coded F-35A to begin dropping bombs

By James Drew, Washington DC | 18 January 2016

In February or early March, a combat-coded F-35A from the 34th Fighter Squadron at Hill AFB will release an inert, laser-guided bomb at the nearby Utah Test and Training Range.

What will seem ordinary and routine to the pilot will actually be a "monumental achievement" for the multinational F-35 programme, which has been building to this moment since Lockheed Martin won the Joint Strike Fighter contract in 2001.

A stealthy, jet-powered combat aircraft is nothing if it cannot put weapons on a target, and this GBU-12 Paveway II release will be a moment of truth for the conventional A-model, which until now only released weapons in development and operational testing.


Reserve pilot Maj Jayson Rickard of the 466th Fighter Squadron flew Hill AFB's 100th F-35 sortie on 11 December
US Air Force

The air force's Block 3i aircraft will first operate with basic laser and GPS-guided weapons, as well as beyond-visual-range AIM-120 air-to-air missiles. It will also have advanced targeting, surveillance and radar-jamming equipment.

The full complement of weapons will not arrive until Block 3F in late 2017, but the armaments the F-35 does have in Block 2B and 3i can accomplish basic close air support, air interdiction and suppression or destruction of enemy air defence missions, according to the air force.

"It is a monumental achievement, because we are the first operational unit to do it. But quite frankly, I don't expect it to be a difficult achievement for us to accomplish," says Col David Lyons, commander of the squadron's parent wing, the 388th Fighter Wing. "It will be an ordinary mission. They will be inert, at least initially.

"The airplane can already simulate the drop, so we simulate firing the AIM-120 and dropping laser-guided and GPS-guided bombs every day as we practice our tactics, but to actually have something come off the airplane – we've not done that yet."

Introducing weapons into live training is one of several steps the squadron must take to be deemed combat-ready on 1 August, which marks initial operational capability (IOC) for the conventional takeoff and landing model. The US Marine Corps achieved IOC with the F-35B jump jet in July.

Because F-35s are designed to operate in formation, Lyons says the squadron will begin practicing "four-ship" combat tactics in March, where four airborne F-35s will train together. The 34th Fighter Sqn has been practicing four-ship tactics in its four Lockheed-built 360° mission simulators since they were networked in December.

Since activating in July, the "Rude Rams" squadron has received five aircraft from Lockheed, and the sixth is due shortly. The group expects to have 12-16 aircraft and 24 mission-ready pilots in place by IOC.

Pilots arrive from the training bases at Luke AFB in Arizona and Eglin AFB in Florida as trained F-35 aviators, but are qualified on the latest combat tactics at their local base.

Today, the 388th wing counts eight IOC-ready pilots and another one is assigned to its partner reserve unit, the 419th Fighter Wing. Its growing fleet is supported by 260 maintainers.

The aircraft will receive the most up-to-date 3i software load, and Lyons says that will arrive on 1 February.

The local autonomic logistics information system (ALIS), which manages the logistics and maintenance programme, is also being upgraded. "We expect to have it in a deployable configuration in a couple of months," says Lt Col Darrin Dronoff, who heads the 388th unit's F-35 integration office.

The first real test of the squadron's ability to deploy abroad will begin in a few months, starting with simulated deployment exercises on-ramp at Hill, says 34th unit commander Lt Col George Watkins.

"We're going to take F-35s from the 34th Fighter Squadron and go to Mountain Home AFB in Idaho," Watkins tells Flightglobal. "We're going to fly missions from Mountain Home as our proof of being able to go out on the road and fly missions from the road.

"We'll come back from that and continue our spin up to full proficiency with a surge in July where we'll fly extra sorties in a surge week, so in the month of July we have enough sorties programmed to get everyone up to combat-mission status by 1 August."

Lyons and Watkins are both confident of achieving IOC on 1 August, and the wing has even invited the Air Combat Command inspector general to monitor the process.

Lyons expects the F-35A will be called up fairly quickly, perhaps in 2017 or 2018, although there are no deployments currently scheduled.

"It would not surprise me at all to see the airplane used in that time frame," Lyons says. "I don't make that decision; it's above my pay grade. But once the airplane is declared IOC, it will be available to use, and I would expect them to use it."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/combat-coded-f-35a-to-begin-dropping-bombs-420924/
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Sparkplug

Life of RAF Tornado squadron further extended to 2018

By Beth Stevenson, London | 18 January 2016

Further detail on the UK Ministry of Defence's November Strategic Defence & Security Review (SDSR) has revealed the retirement of a Panavia Tornado GR4 squadron will be pushed back to 2018, from the previously announced 2017 date.

Last August, defence secretary Michael Fallon said a delayed retirement from 2016 until March 2017, of the Royal Air Force's 12 Sqn, would allow the type to continue operating until the Eurofighter Typhoon was able to fully take over the ground-attack role in Iraq and Syria. However, the next retirement of a Tornado squadron has now been pushed back further, to 2018.

"We will extend the third Tornado ground-attack squadron in service until 2018 to continue the fight against Daesh [Islamic State] and be ready for other tasks, then retire the remaining two squadrons of Tornado in 2019," an SDSR factsheet released by the MoD on 15 January says.

The Tornado is proving its worth against Islamic State militants in the Middle East and the demand for it is high; 12 Sqn was returned to service in January 2015 to join Operation Shader after originally disbanding in 2014 after the withdrawal from Afghanistan. Three squadrons are required to support the operation, with one deployed at any given time, one in a preparation role and another on stand down.

The recent SDSR also noted the UK will acquire the planned 138 Lockheed Martin F-35s over the life of the programme, and will "buy some of these aircraft more quickly than previously planned, creating an additional frontline squadron by 2023", according to the factsheet.

The Tornado GR4's replacement, the Typhoon, will also see an additional two frontline squadrons formed to support the type until 2040, with more investment into integrating an active electronically scanned array radar. With the integration of the MBDA Brimstone air-to-surface missile in 2017, the newer type should be able to begin adopting the ground-attack role of the Tornado, which began carrying the weapon in Syria this month.


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The factsheet also confirms the UK's commitment to developing unmanned combat air vehicle technology, specifically in collaboration with France – the two nations are involved in the bilateral Future Combat Air Systems programme – and the USA.

"We will work with France to develop an advanced Unmanned Combat Air System technology demonstrator, and with the United States to mature other high-end technologies," it says. "Additionally, we will pursue a national technology programme to maintain the UK's position as a global leader in this area."

Under its Protector programme, the UK will see its fleet of armed UAVs doubled in the 2020 timeframe, from a capability currently provided by the General Atomics Aeronautical Systems MQ-9 Reaper.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/life-of-raf-tornado-squadron-further-extended-to-201-420923/
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Sparkplug

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Citaat van: Harald op 18/01/2016 | 11:32 uur
Taiwan refutes report that it is interested in AV-8Bs  
(misschien ex-USMC AV-8B aankoop door Taiwan ??, past wel in het plan van Taiwan om hun huidige Marine, flink te investeren in nieuwe fregatten (3000 ton), kruisers (10.000 ton) en LPD's, zelfs zijn er geruchten over een LHA ontwerp. Hierin past natuurlijk het gebruik van AV-8B's )

Taiwan's National Ministry of Defense has refuted a report that the island will buy AV-8Bs that are sold as Excess Defense Articles once they are retired from the Marine Corps.

Defense News reported on Jan. 16, quoting anonymous U.S. officials as saying that the Defense Security Cooperation Agency will offer the AV-8Bs to Taiwan.

Afwachten welke mogelijke aanbieding DSCA heeft: AV-8B Night Attack, AV-8B Plus (APG-65 radar) of beide.

Ze worden in ieder geval voor de USMC voor de komende jaren nog gemoderniseerd. Zie pagina 44 van 260 van onderstaande link

https://marinecorpsconceptsandprograms.com/sites/default/files/files/2015%20Marine%20Aviation%20Plan.pdf
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Harald

Pentagon, Pratt announce agreement on next F-35 engine buy

The US Department of Defense (DoD) has reached an agreement with Pratt & Whitney, the engine manufacturer for the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter, for the next batch of engines that power the stealthy combat aircraft.

The agreement in principle is for the 9th and 10th lots of F135 propulsion systems - for 66 and 101 total engines, respectively - a spokesman for the Pentagon's F-35 programme office said via email.

"This agreement for the next two lots of F135 engines continues to drive down costs and that's critical to making the F-35 more affordable for the US military and our allies," Lieutenant General Chris Bogdan, the DoD's F-35 programme manager, said in the statement. "We are ramping up production and witnessing tangible results."

The Pentagon did not release the contract value, intending to do so once the deals are finalised, the spokesman said. "However, in general, the unit prices for the 53 LRIP 9 and 87 LRIP 10 conventional take-off and landing [CTOL] and carrier variant [CV] propulsion systems reduced 3.4% from the previously negotiated LRIP 8 price to the negotiated LRIP 10 price," he added. The unit prices for the 13 LRIP 9 and 14 LRIP 10 short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) propulsion systems (including lift systems) reduced 6.4%.

Pratt & Whitney has delivered 262 F135 engines, according to the Pentagon. Deliveries of LRIP 9 engines are expected to begin this year, while deliveries of LRIP 10 engines are to start in 2017.

http://www.janes.com/article/57263/pentagon-pratt-announce-agreement-on-next-f-35-engine-buy

Harald

Taiwan refutes report that it is interested in AV-8Bs   
(misschien ex-USMC AV-8B aankoop door Taiwan ??, past wel in het plan van Taiwan om hun huidige Marine, flink te investeren in nieuwe fregatten (3000 ton), kruisers (10.000 ton) en LPD's, zelfs zijn er geruchten over een LHA ontwerp. Hierin past natuurlijk het gebruik van AV-8B's )

Taiwan's National Ministry of Defense has refuted a report that the island will buy AV-8Bs that are sold as Excess Defense Articles once they are retired from the Marine Corps.

Defense News reported on Jan. 16, quoting anonymous U.S. officials as saying that the Defense Security Cooperation Agency will offer the AV-8Bs to Taiwan.

http://alert5.com/2016/01/18/taiwan-refutes-report-that-it-is-interest-in-av-8bs/

Taiwan's Navy plannen :
Taiwan Previews Major Naval Acquisition Plan
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140920/DEFREG03/309200024

Harald

Swedish-Finn Alliance May Influence Fighter Choice

The deepening in bilateral defense collaboration between non-aligned Nordic states Sweden and Finland is expected to include the establishment of joint units and the sharing of naval and Air Force infrastructure.

Moreover, Sweden remains interested in selling the JAS Gripen-E to Finland, which has begun the process of replacing the Air Force's F/A-18 C/D Hornet aircraft, which are scheduled to be retired between 2025 and 2030.

Although government officials remain tight lipped, the increasingly closer military cooperation between Finland and Sweden advances the possibility that Finland may opt to pursue a replacement strategy that includes two different NATO-compatible fighter types, one of which could be the Gripen E.

..../....

The request for information (RfI) concerning the HX Fighter Program is due to be sent to aircraft manufacturers in March and replies are required by Oct. 31.

The HX Fighter Program is being run by the Air Force Command, which will be responsible for project execution and implementation. It is expected that a call for tender will be sent out by the Air Force Command in spring 2018. Under this time frame, the fighter selection decision would take place in 2021.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2016/01/17/swedish-finn-alliance-may-influence-fighter-choice/78801218/

Lex

Air Force to Delay A-10 Retirement, Thanks to ISIS

After trying to retire the battle-tested Warthog for the past two years, Air Force officials concede that the plane is key to the war on ISIS.

The Air Force is shelving its immediate plans to retire the A-10 Warthog attack plane, which has become critical to the U.S. bombing campaign against Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria, Pentagon officials tell Defense One.

Air Force officials say they still need to retire the A-10 to make room for newer warplanes, but that the calculus for its sunsetting has been thrown off by commanders' demands for the Warthog now.

Putting the A-10's retirement plans on hold is a key policy shift that will be laid out next month when the Pentagon submits its 2017 budget request to Congress, said Pentagon officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the Obama Administration's spending plan before its official release.

An Air Force spokeswoman declined further comment because the Pentagon's budget request has not been finalized and publicly released.

Top Air Force officials had already hinted that the A-10 retirement plans might be put on hold due to the planes' demand in combat.

"I think moving it to the right and starting it a bit later and maybe keeping the airplane around a little bit longer is something that's being considered based on things as they are today and that we see them in the future," Gen. Herbert "Hawk" Carlisle, the head of Air Combat Command, said in November.

The A-10, known for its ability to withstand enemy ground fire, proved even more difficult to shoot down politically; Congress blocked its retirement for the past two years.

The venerable attack plane, often championed by Army and Marine Corps ground forces, was built to fly low and slow, close to the battlefield to work in tandem with ground troops. Top Air Force officials acknowledged that the A-10 flies these so-called close air support missions better than any other plane in the arsenal. But officials said other aircraft could fly these missions, albeit not as well as the Warthog. Retirement, they said, would free up money to pay for newer planes, like the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, a more expensive warplane intended to replace the A-10 and F-16 fighter.

Two years ago when the Air Force first proposed sending the A-10s into retirement, the service planned to shift maintenance workers from the Warthog to the F-35. At the time, no American forces were in Iraq or Syria and Washington was preparing to withdraw troops from Afghanistan. But since then, ISIS has spread across the Middle East and a resurgence of the Taliban has delayed the drawdown in Afghanistan.

The Air Force's request to retire the A-10 has met with a wide wave of negative responses. In the midst of it all, the Air Force has deployed squadrons to fly combat missions against ISIS in both Iraq and Syria. Warthogs have also deployed to Europe where they flew in military drills with NATO allies. 

Opponents of the A-10 retirement say the plane is effective both in lethality and cost for the current wars when compared to newer, high-performance aircraft like the F-16 fighter or B-1B bomber.

Congress has routinely blasted the Air Force's A-10 retirement plans and blocked its retirement. Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., one of the Warthog's biggest advocates on Capitol Hill, held up the nomination of Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James, over the matter.

"I welcome reports that the Air Force has decided to keep the A-10 aircraft flying through fiscal year 2017, ensuring our troops have the vital close-air support they need for missions around the world," Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in response to Defense One's report that the plane's retirement would be delayed.


"With growing global chaos and turmoil on the rise, we simply cannot afford to prematurely retire the best close air support weapon in our arsenal without fielding a proper replacement," he said.

Rep. Martha McSally, R-Ariz., a former A-10 pilot who flew combat missions in the 1990s during Southern Watch, also lauded the decision to delay the A-10 retirement.

"It appears the [Obama] Administration is finally coming to its senses and recognizing the importance of A-10s to our troops' lives and national security," McSally said in a statement.

"With A-10s deployed in the Middle East to fight ISIS, in Europe to deter Russian aggression, and along the Korean Peninsula, administration officials can no longer deny how invaluable these planes are to our arsenal and military capabilities," she said.

McSally said the Warthog must stick around "until we know without a doubt we can replace their capabilities.

Source: http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/01/Air-Force-to-delay-a-10/125105/

Sparkplug

Requirements for New Fighter Jets Are Being Redrawn, Defence Minister Says (excerpt)

By John Ivison, The National Post | January 13, 2016

The requirements for Canada's next fleet of fighter jets are being redrawn as part of a thorough defence review ordered by the new Liberal defence minister.

Harjit Sajjan said his department is looking at the procurement of military equipment, the size of the Canadian Forces and the theatres where they operate.

"We will consult with the public, through MPs, committees, stakeholders and think-tanks, so that we have a vision in line with our foreign policy objectives," he said in an interview Tuesday.

Part of that process will be determining what will replace the CF-18 fighter jets. The Conservatives had committed to Lockheed Martin's F-35 joint strike fighter but the project was heavily criticized for rigging the requirements so that only the F-35 could qualify. Defence officials had written the requirements to call for a plane with stealth capability, advanced radar and integrated avionics.

During the election, the Liberals said they would not choose the F-35, and re-invest any savings in the navy.

Mr. Sajjan has since said he will launch an open process to replace the CF-18s.

"The requirements we create will be those that are needed for Canada's role," he said.

He would not say whether Lockheed Martin would be barred from the bidding process, or whether the requirements might now be written to ensure the F-35 did not win. (end of excerpt)

Click here for the full transcript, on the National Post website.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/170406/canada-preparing-requirements-for-new-fighter%3A-minister.html

Air Force to Delay A-10 Retirement, Thanks to ISIS (excerpt)

By Marcus Weisgerber, Defense One | January 13, 2016

After trying to retire the battle-tested Warthog for the past two years, Air Force officials concede that the plane is key to the war on ISIS.

The Air Force is shelving its immediate plans to retire the A-10 Warthog attack plane, which has become critical to the U.S. bombing campaign against Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria, Pentagon officials tell Defense One.

Air Force officials say they still need to retire the A-10 to make room for newer warplanes, but that the calculus for its sunsetting has been thrown off by commanders' demands for the Warthog now.

Putting the A-10's retirement plans on hold is a key policy shift that will be laid out next month when the Pentagon submits its 2017 budget request to Congress, said Pentagon officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the Obama Administration's spending plan before its official release.

An Air Force spokeswoman declined further comment because the Pentagon's budget request has not been finalized and publicly released.

Top Air Force officials had already hinted that the A-10 retirement plans might be put on hold due to the planes' demand in combat. (end of excerpt)

Click here for the full transcript, on the Defense One website.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/170405/us-air-force-to-delay-a_10-retirement.html
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

dudge

The Rise of the Light Attack Fighter?

The high cost per unit of fourth- and fifth-generation jet fighters is proving to be problematic, especially as many militaries around the world seek to modernize their aircraft. During Canada's 2015 federal election, the victorious Liberals campaigned on the commitment to seek combat aircraft for the Royal Canadian Air Force more affordable than the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter. In a May 2014 referendum, Swiss voters rejected a proposal to replace the Swiss Air Force's aging Northrop F-5E Tiger II fighters with the Swedish produced Saab JAS 39 Gripen. As voters turn away from the sophisticated technology and hefty price tags of the aircraft promoted by the most prominent manufacturers, such as Lockheed Martin and Boeing, there may be quite a market for affordable but relatively modern fighter jets.

Lees verder ->
http://www.offiziere.ch/?p=25887

JdL

Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 13/01/2016 | 16:15 uur
raar...de Chinezen betalen voor 24 stuks 2 miljard dollar..en de Russen zelf voor 50 stuks 800 miljoen euro ??

Dat staat in het onderstaand artikel...wel veel goedkoper dan de JSF..die zeker +125 miljoen per stuk gaat kosten
De Russen krijgen ze natuurlijk voor een spotprijs
Je weet niet wat er allemaal in die deal met China was inbegrepen dus ik denk niet dat je dat moet gaan vergelijken met de F-35
'The goal is world peace, and to do so you must have strength' Ronald Reagan