Light Tanks... de toekomst ?

[pz]

Niemand die van zn stoel valt dat de nieuwste Abrams 24 miljoen kost en de Booker 12??????????

Jawel, daarom ook geplaatst. Vraag die erachter zit waarom de kosten voor Abrams nieuw zo hoog zijn. Zitten hier ook de  opleiding, exploitatie, instandhouding in verwerkt? Is dat de reden waarom men de Abrams X heeft ontwikkeld. Hybride motor. Wat wel duidelijk is Sep4 zal nog meer kosten. Wat gaat een nieuwe Leo2A8 kosten met APS? 18/19 miljoen?

[Huzaar1]

Ik vraag me af of die prijzen kloppen.

Ik denk het wel. En voor 1 abram heb je een  aantal leopard2A7's. Zet zaken wel in perspectief.

[Parera]

Niemand die van zn stoel valt dat de nieuwste Abrams 24 miljoen kost en de Booker 12??????????

Ik vraag me af of die prijzen kloppen.

[Huzaar1]

Niemand die van zn stoel valt dat de nieuwste Abrams 24 miljoen kost en de Booker 12??????????

[pz]

"beter protection than CV90" zoals?

Het onderliggende chassis, verder geen info. Hij is consultant voor een paar defensie bedrijven.

[MartijnR]

"beter protection than CV90" zoals?

[pz]

Nog een paar interessante opmerkingen van Nicholas Drummond over deze "light tank" :

https://twitter.com/nicholadrummond/status/1667862725022695424

Nicholas Drummond
@nicholadrummond

The @GD_LandSystems M10 Booker is not a derivative of the ASCOD platform, but an all-new design. The hull has well-sloped armour, an 800 hp diesel driveline and @Horstman_Group hydro-pneumatic struts. The 105 mm gun based on the UK ROF L7 and is mounted in an Abrams-based turret.

What is especially interesting about the M10 Booker is that the same underlying @GD_LandSystems chassis has been used for the Company?s Optionally Manned Fighting Vehicle (OMFV) contender. Anecdotal reports suggest this is equally as good as the M10.

In other words, with MPF and OMFV, @GD_LandSystems has developed a new medium weight tracked platform that can form the basis of an entire family of vehicles. The underlying chassis has better protection than CV90, better mobility and a fully digitised architecture.

[bergd]

Uit het artikel

ohw slecht gelezen dus, dat er dan toch 2 passen..

[Benji87]

Qua gewichtsklasse is hij vergelijkbaar met de Japanse Type 10, passen er net geen 2 in een C17.

Uit het artikel

Eventually, the Army intends to build M10 battalions into its light infantry brigade combat teams, including its airborne units. While the vehicle cannot be air dropped, it can be transported by air ? two can fit inside a C-17 transport jet, Dean said.

[bergd]

[the M10 will weigh about 42 tons, the service said. The M10 also will be significantly less expensive.

Qua gewichtsklasse is hij vergelijkbaar met de Japanse Type 10, passen er net geen 2 in een C17.

[Parera]

74 ton dat zijn dus short tons (Amerikaanse standaard), het normale gewicht komt uit op 67 ton en is daarmee qua gewicht vergelijkbaar met de Leopard 2A8.  De 42 short tons van de M10 zijn omgerekend net iets meer dan 38 ton en dat komt dan weer in de buurt van de nieuwste generatie CV90's. En ja je blijft een 105 mm kanon houden op dat voertuig, een CV90120T is een vergelijkbaar alternatief met meer vuurkracht.

En ja die prijs die is relatief scherp, en die kan ik niet afzetten tegen de prijs van de CV90120T omdat die prijs (openbaar) niet bekend is en het slechts een prototype betreft. Maar de Tsjechen betaalde vorig jaar 11 miljoen USD voor hun CV90's dus misschien dat de 120 mm variant dan rond de 15 miljoen kost.

[pz]

Army unveils the M10 Booker, its first new combat vehicle in two decades

https://www.stripes.com/branches/army/2023-06-10/army-combat-vehicle-m10-booker-10387122.html



Meest interessante info uit het artikel:

But the Booker is much lighter than the newest versions of the Abrams tanks, which have 120mm main guns. The Army?s M1A2 SEPv3 Abrams tank weighs nearly 74 tons and the M10 will weigh about 42 tons, the service said. The M10 also will be significantly less expensive. The latest Abrams costs about $24 million per tank, but the Bookers are expected to cost about $12.9 million per vehicle, which includes spare parts and the costs to field and train for the new weapons, Dean said.

[Harald]

Japan is bezig met een doorontwikkeling van de Type 16 MVG met verschillende prototypes, de onderste foto zou versie 3 zijn, met de motor achterin.

https://ameblo.jp/type60mbt/entry-12408618229.html


https://twitter.com/WideABCDEs/status/1650703290701840385

Hieronder een eerdere prototype versie met de motor voorin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNjqrY0DfdQ

[Harald]

DSEI Japan 2023: Japan displays its new Type 16 MCV 8x8 anti-tank armored vehicle

At DSEI Japan 2023 defense exhibition, the Japanese Ground Self Defense Force also referred as the Japanese army presents the latest variant of its Type 16 MCV Maneuver Combat Vehicle which is an 8x8 armored vehicle armed with one 105mm cannon.



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https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_march_2023_global_security_army_industry/dsei_japan_2023_japan_displays_its_new_type_16_mcv_8x8_anti-tank_armored_vehicle.html

[Harald]

Analysis: What are combat capabilities of French AMX-10RC for Ukraine against Russian tanks

Analysis: The AMX-10RC combat vehicle that France will supply to Ukraine is not a main battle tank (MBT), but it offers several advantages compared to MBTs due to its design as a wheeled reconnaissance and fire support vehicle. There is no information about the variant of the AMX-10RC that France will provide to Ukraine. The AMX-10RCR is a modernized variant of the original AMX-10RC offering more mobility, firepower, and protection.



In terms of mobility, the AMX-10RC has a 6x6 wheel configuration, allowing it to traverse various types of terrain more easily and quickly than most tracked MBTs. Its top speed of around 85 km/h on roads and a range of approximately 800 km make it more agile and able to rapidly deploy to different locations.

As far as tactics are concerned, the AMX-10RC functions as a reconnaissance vehicle, enabling it to perform various missions such as scouting, target acquisition, and providing fire support to other units. This versatility allows it to serve multiple purposes on the battlefield, in contrast to MBTs which are primarily focused on engaging enemy armor.

Due to its smaller size and lighter weight compared to MBTs, the AMX-10RC has a reduced logistical footprint. This means it requires less fuel, maintenance, and transportation resources, making it easier and less expensive to deploy and operate. The wheeled configuration and lighter weight of the AMX-10RC make it easier to transport by air, rail, or road compared to heavier MBTs. This capability is advantageous when rapid deployment is required or when operating in theaters with limited infrastructure.

The AMX-10RCR features additional armor protection, including spall liners and armor plates, which improve survivability against small arms fire, artillery fragments, and mines. It is also equipped with a remotely operated weapon station (RWS), allowing the crew to operate the vehicle's machine gun without being exposed to enemy fire.

The mobility of the AMX-10RCR has been improved and the vehicle is equipped with a new powertrain, including a more powerful engine and a new transmission, resulting in better acceleration, speed, and overall mobility. The vehicle is also equipped with modernized sensors, including a new thermal imaging system for enhanced night vision capabilities. It also features an upgraded communication and battle management system for improved situational awareness, coordination with other units, and faster decision-making.

The AMX-10RC is armed with a 105 mm F2 rifled gun as its primary armament, capable of firing Armor-Piercing (AP) and High-Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT) rounds. While this weapon was considered potent when the vehicle was first introduced in the early 1980s, advancements in modern tank armor have diminished its effectiveness against contemporary main battle tanks (MBTs).

The AMX-10RC is not designed to engage main battle tanks (MBTs) directly, its firepower can still pose a threat to older or less advanced tanks, such as the Soviet-era T-72 and T-80. Depending on the specific variant and armor configuration of the T-72 and T-80, the 105 mm F2 gun might be able to penetrate the tanks' side or rear armor, especially when firing AP rounds. However, penetrating the frontal armor would be more challenging due to its increased thickness and the use of composite materials.

The AMX-10RC to fire HEAT rounds can also be an advantage against the T-72 and T-80, as these rounds can inflict damage through their shaped-charge effect, regardless of the armor thickness. However, the effectiveness of HEAT rounds can be reduced by reactive armor or other countermeasures, which are present on some variants of the T-72 and T-80.

The AMX-10RC's fire control system, which includes a laser rangefinder, day/night optics, and a ballistic computer, can help improve the accuracy of the 105 mm gun. Engaging the T-72 or T-80 from longer ranges or exploiting their weaker armor areas could improve the chances of a successful penetration. Due to its role as a reconnaissance and fire support vehicle, the AMX-10RC should avoid direct engagements with enemy MBTs whenever possible. Instead, it can use its mobility and flexibility to support friendly forces, provide intelligence, and exploit enemy weaknesses. In a tactical situation where the AMX-10RC has the element of surprise or can engage the T-72 or T-80 from their weaker flanks, it may have a better chance of success.

In conclusion, while the AMX-10RC's armament is not optimized for engaging modern MBTs, it may still pose a threat to older or less advanced tanks like the T-72 and T-80, especially when exploiting their vulnerabilities or engaging from advantageous positions. However, the primary role of the AMX-10RC is reconnaissance and fire support, and it should avoid direct engagements with enemy tanks whenever possible.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukraine_-_russia_conflict_war_2022/analysis_what_are_combat_capabilities_of_french_amx-10_rc_for_ukraine_against_russian_tanks.html