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Gestart door Harald, 28/09/2020 | 11:52 uur

Harald

ShinMaywa And USSOCOM Comment On The US-2 Seaplane

Naval News reached out to ShinMaywa Industries, Ltd. in Japan to inquire on if the U.S. Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) might be interested in their US-2 seaplane. A representative from ShinMaywa's Sales and Marketing Department replied. Naval News also reached out to USSOCOM for additional C-130J MAC status and comment.


Members of the Royal Australian Air Force, U.S. Air Force and Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force stand in front of a JMSDF ShinMaywa US-2 during Cope North 22 at Andersen Air Force Base, Guam, Feb. 10, 2022. The U.S. military always seeks to expand engagements and strengthen relationships with regional allies and partner nations in the Indo-Pacific through activities such as subject matter expert exchanges, host nation visits, and joint exercises and operations such as Cope North.

U.S. Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) Comments
With growing interest in USSOCOM potentially acquiring an amphibious C-130J floatplane, or an actual seaplane, the top in-service seaplane contender with a "ship hull belly" remains the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Forces' (JMSDF) ShinMaywa US-2, a four-engine propeller seaplane with the primary role of Search and Rescue (SAR), contingency operations, and Humanitarian Disaster Relief. The US-2s that have been built currently serve with the JMSDF.

USSOCOM believes that it can add on pontoons to its existing fleet of MC-130Js to essentially turn them into floatplanes, a concept confirmed at the Special Operations Forces Industry Conference 2022 (SOFIC 2022).

"In terms of amphibious MC-130 demonstration, USSOCOM is actually going through some market research, currently, to see if we can identify any potential amphibious capacities to meet some of the SOF Requirements that are existing.  And currently AFSOC is also doing an experimental demonstration where they are planning on putting some float assemblies on a C-130 platform.  They use digital engineering as a major factor of reducing some of that risk and making some of those changes, and they have gone through some hydrotesting and some aero testing on a subscale factor."

Rich Rodriguez, USSOCOM's Tech Director in Emerging Technologies, on the status of the C-130 MAC at SOFIC 2022

There are advantages and disadvantages of this MC-130J floatplane concept. The main advantage is that adding pontoons would use SOCOM's existing stable of MC-130Js, if the mechanical engineering can be achieved as an add-on float kit. Hypothetically, any C-130J can then be converted into a floatplane if the pontoon kit allows conversion without any major structural modifications. The amphibious MC-130J (or MAC) would appear very similar to the rendering below.


SOFIC 2022 confirmed that this AFSOC concept of a MC-130 resting on pontoon floats is their experimental goal for an amphibious MC-130J

The main disadvantage of this MC-130J MAC floatplane concept is that the fuselage might rest so high up (that is if the pontoons cannot ballast down) so that the rear cargo ramp and side doors are positioned at such a height disadvantage to render waterborne operations difficult to achieve since the floatplane does not have a crane to raise and lower small boats from the ocean's surface.  (The ShinMaywa US-2 can lower and raise small rubber boats by hand through its side doors since its belly rests on the ocean's surface).  Indeed, AFSOC renderings even show ladders and steps from the MC-130J's fuselage leading to the pontoons and the water's surface. If the MAC is able to ballast down to the ocean's surface, that might submerge the FLIR ball under the fuselage nose, jeopardizing its sensitive electronics and optics.  Additionally, landing this MC-130J floatplane may prove difficult if the cockpit rests so high up.

Lockheed Martin has designed a seaplane with a boat (or whale belly) hull that can be seen here, but there has been no indication that the Lockheed Martin design progressed beyond a red and white scale model. Naval News reached out to Lockheed Martin for comment on the amphibious MC-130J concept and status and Lockheed deferred all questions to USSOCOM.

Naval News thus reached out to USSOCOM at the end of August 2022 for a MAC status update and Lt. Cassandra Thompson, USSOCOM Public Affairs, replied that the status remains unchanged, citing that the MAC is currently not an official Program of Record within the Defense Department (as of August 2022), and thus there is no new MAC news to share. A check of the U.S. government's contracting office website confirms that the C-130J MAC isn't an entry and thus not an official Program of Record.

Naval News also asked USSOCOM on their interest in the ShinMaywa US-2 and received a reply.

"The US-2 visit was a part of USSOCOM continuing to collaborate with AFSOC [U.S. Air Force Special Operations Command] conducting market research activities to analyze amphibious emergent technologies to develop a viable acquisition strategy."

Lt. Cassandra Thompson, USSOCOM Public Affairs

Photos on the Defense Visual Information Distribution Service (DVIDS) confirm that U.S. Air Force Special Operations Command (AFSOC) personnel did indeed tour the ShinMaywa US-2 at Andersen Air Force Base, Guam, on February 10, 2022 although USSOCOM offered no additional comments or details to Naval News on their interest or how the US-2 might factor into their acquisition plans due to the sensitive nature of special operations.

Therefore, besides subscale modeling, the actual status of the USSOCOM amphibious MC-130J floatplane remains unknown and unclear and if any would eventually be manufactured for the conventional U.S. maritime forces (U.S. Navy, U.S. Marine Corps, and U.S. Coast Guard). The USSOCOM MAC should not be confused with the DARPA "Liberty Lifter."


Aircrew from Fleet Air Wing 31, Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force, discuss capabilities of the ShinMaywa US-2 with Maj. Gen. Eric Hill, Air Force Special Operations Command Deputy commander and Col. Shane Vesely, 353rd Special Operations Wing commander, Nov 9, 2021. [Author's Note: The "Glass cockpit" instrument panel reflects the modern and sophisticated controls of the US-2 even if the seaplane appears somewhat vintage on the outside.


ShinMaywa Industries Comments

ShinMaywa's Aircraft Division's Sales & Marketing Department replied to Naval News' inquiry at the end of August 2022 regarding possible production of the US-2 for the United States military. ShinMaywa admitted that the US-2 is being developed for the JMSDF, but they cannot answer questions regarding the US-2's sensor outfit, production time, and the price per plane, citing customer preferences.

Naval News: Can weapons be mounted to the outside of the US-2?

ShinMaywa Industries, Ltd: "It is difficult to mount weapons on the outside."

Naval News: Did the United States military ever ask ShinMaywa for any demonstration on the US-2?

ShinMaywa Industries, Ltd: "AFSOC boarded a US-2 in Japan, which is uploaded on the AFSOC website."

Naval News: Is it possible to produce the US-2 for U.S. military service and if so, what modifications would this entail?

ShinMaywa Industries, Ltd: "It is possible to manufacture US-2 for AFSOC. ShinMaywa is willing to do so. We are promoting it in cooperation with U.S. companies. Maintenance manuals, etc. and equipment need to be made to AFSOC specifications."

Naval News: How much does a US-2 cost and how long does it take to build one?

ShinMaywa Industries, Ltd: "It is difficult to answer this question as US-2 prices vary widely depending on AFSOC requirements. We also cannot answer the lead time."

Naval News: How "maintenance intensive" is the US-2 and what is its life expectancy? How long before an overhaul and servicing?

ShinMaywa Industries, Ltd: "Short periodic maintenance intervals as we perform takeoffs and      landings at sea. The service life cannot be answered either."

Naval News: What benefits would the US-2 provide over other seaplanes?

ShinMaywa Industries, Ltd: "The most important feature of the US-2 is its ability to take off and land over very short distances on the water. Compared to other sea planes, it is by far the shortest. ShinMaywa is confident that the US-2 will meet the requirements of the U.S. military better than the C-130J MAC." ShinMaywa states the US-2 is the only amphibian that can land on rough seas with a wave height of 3 meters.

Naval News: How many US-2s have been built?

ShinMaywa Industries, Ltd: "We are manufacturing US-2, unit No. 9."

Naval News: Can the US-2 taxi on and off land and into and out of the water?

ShinMaywa Industries, Ltd: "US-2 can take off on land."

Naval News: Are the instruments' night-vision goggle compatible and does the US-2 have night vision capability?

ShinMaywa Industries, Ltd: "US-2 does not have night vision capability."

Naval News: Can the US-2 be refueled in mid-air? Can it be refueled at sea?

ShinMaywa Industries, Ltd: "No in-air refueling capability. There is the ability to refuel from a ship at sea." The US-2 can fly at 298 MPH or 480 KMH with a range of 2,920 miles or 4,700 kilometers. Water takeoff distance is 280 meters (918 feet) and water landing distance is 330 meters (1,082 feet).



Author's Comments

For speculative discussion purposes, an American AFSOC US-2 offers USSOCOM both benefits and issues. With a current low production number (only nine ShinMaywa US-2s have been built so far), the U.S. Armed Forces might see the US-2 as a specialized seaplane if actually purchased for U.S. special operations and maritime forces. The US-2 comes unarmed, and without a rear cargo ramp to potentially drop pallets of bundled precision-guided munitions, arming the US-2 seems remote. However, the U.S. Marine Corps' KC-130J Harvest HAWK has a precision-guided munitions launcher called the Derringer Door. A rack accommodates up to 10 munitions. Such a Derringer Door might be added to the American US-2 for stand-off armament within the US-2's pressurized cabin. Interior swingarm machine gun mounts by the side doors could also be an option and the swingarm mounts get folded away to clear the doorways.


The U.S. Marine Corps' KC-130J Harvest HAWK is modified with a pressurized standoff, precision-guided munitions launcher called the Derringer door and a rack for 10 munitions

A three minute video on the ShinMaywa website shows a rigid hull inflatable boat (RHIB) being hoisted into the US-2's side door via a rope looped around a knob above the door. The crew pulls the rope and hustles the RHIB to enter the door sideways. The RHIB is deployed by pushing it out the side door. For humans and SAR missions, this might be acceptable method of handling the RHIB because humans are able to use their own muscle power to embark and disembark from the US-2 to and from the RHIB quite rapidly, but for loading and unloading heavy cargo and armament, tying the RHIB by a single rope might prove difficult in heavy seas compared to launching the already-loaded RHIB from the MC-130J MAC's interior via stern ramp, if at all possible from a MC-130J floatplane.

If adopted into service, the ShinMaywa US-2 seaplane might be a huge help and asset for Visual Board Search and Seizure (VBSS), high speedboat pursuits, and drug, pirate, and smuggling interdictions for the U.S. Coast Guard.


An orange RHIB by the US-2's side door. Note the orange knob above the door and crew to allow a rope to be tied to raise and lower the RHIB like a pulley


A ShinMaywa US-2 resting on the water's surface. Note the rope tied to the orange knob above the door to act as a pulley mechanism for the diver

Another question might be how reliable the US-2, if made for U.S. service, will be with all the added U.S. government furnished equipment (GFE) installed compared to an US-2 with all-Japanese manufactured equipment modified to the English language. Since USSOCOM (and the U.S. military) often add on lots of extra GFE equipment (jammers, sensors, countermeasures, night vision, datalinks, and secure communications), how complex would an AFSOC US-2 actually be if its multirole purpose goes beyond Humanitarian Relief, contingencies, and SAR?

"Short periodic maintenance intervals" might turn into long maintenance downtime that would render American US-2s docked at the pier more often than deployed over and on the open water if AFSOC requires a combat-equipped US-2 with all the fancy "high maintenance" U.S. GFE gadgetry as almost standard to any U.S. aircraft. ShinMaywa stated that they're confident that working with AFSOC would satisfy the American's special forces' requirements.

Nonetheless, American US-2s can be the logistic carriers, seaplane tenders and SAR seaplanes for downed pilots that the U.S. Navy so desperately needs. American US-2s can also service, refuel, rearm, and monitor its growing fleet of unmanned surface and sub-surface vessels. To span the "tyranny of distance" that are the world's oceans, the ShinMaywa US-2 might indeed be a possible solution to U.S. special operations and maritime forces.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/09/shinmaywa-and-ussocom-comment-on-the-us-2-seaplane/


Harald

Death Adder strikes hard in Australia

A small Australian-built tactical vehicle has been selected for army special forces.

The Australian Defence Force (ADF) has awarded an $A8.47 million ($6.17 million) contract to a domestic firm for 40 small tactical off-road vehicles.

Bale Defence, based in Port Macquarie, will manufacture the new-generation Death Adder rough-terrain vehicles (RTV).

Minister for Defence Industry Melissa Price said, 'The rough-terrain vehicle provides an important tactical, light, all-terrain land capability used by the ADF on operations and exercises both in Australia and overseas.'

An RfT for this RTV 2 programme had been issued on 9 July 2019, listing the need for 40 vehicles with an option for up to 30 more. Submissions closed on ...

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/death-adder-strikes-hard-in-australia/




Sparkplug

A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Harald

Citaat van: Nikehercules op 05/07/2021 | 16:31 uur
Alleen het springen door een brandende hoepel ontbreekt nog.
Hahahahahaha....  ;D ;) lol

Nikehercules

Alleen het springen door een brandende hoepel ontbreekt nog.

Harald

French Special Forces demonstrate know-how at SOFINS 2021 defense exhibition

From June 29 to July 1, 2021, the 5th edition of SOFINS took place at the Souge camp in Gironde, near Bordeaux. This event marks a year of meetings and intense work by the members of the Cercle de l'Arbalète. Unique in Europe, this biannual event is the meeting place of the high technology industry with Special Forces and Special Units. For three days, small, medium and large companies came together under the aegis of the Cercle de l'Arbalète to offer unique solutions tailored to the needs of special operations.

The military camp located at Souge, near Bordeaux, has been transformed into a place for meetings and technical demonstrations: dynamic tests of equipment in conditions have enabled innovative manufacturers to demonstrate the added value of their equipment for the operator of 'today and tomorrow.

Lt. Gen. Eric Vidaud, commanding of the COS (Commandement des Opérations Spéciales, Special Operations Command), said: "Power relations oppose and will oppose even more tomorrow, actors who cultivate permanent innovation. The protean threats emerging from the hybrid competition and gray-area clashes already pose the greatest challenges in innovation. The spirit of innovation must govern the adaptation of COS. It constantly involves imagining, designing, testing, and possibly leaving it to others, in particular civilian SMEs and mid-sized companies, what the Special Forces have developed and sometimes invented. This civilian-military partnership is an essential key to the success of our operations. The COS relies on the Cercle de l'Arbalète to capture as quickly as possible and best encourage dual or civilian innovation in order to participate in finding the best response to the Special Forces operational needs of today and tomorrow. "

On July 1, the Special Forces carried out an impressive demonstration of their know-how and their various aerial and ground equipment, in a scenario of capture and exfiltration of a terrorist leader. Various units, an Airbus A400M, light, attack and transport helicopters, a Twin Otter, Polaris quads, a Land Rover 110, all adapted to the specific use of special forces, and other means have been implemented. in a dynamism revealing the capacities of action of the French armed forces. Watch it on the Defense Web TV channel of Army Recognition broadcasted on Youtube.

https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2021/july/7414-french-special-forces-demonstrate-know-how-at-sofins-2021-defense-exhibition.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg1SYsx3ek4

Sparkplug

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 09/06/2021 | 12:48 uur
Ik denk dat het niet lang duurt voordat LMB ook zoiets wil.  :angel:

Misschien op hun toekomstige MB en eventueel als alternatief voor de .50 M3M op de CH-47F.
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Huzaar1

Mooie blikopener  8)

Ik denk dat het niet lang duurt voordat LMB ook zoiets wil.  :angel:
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion" US secmindef - Jed Babbin"

Parera

Citaat van: Harald op 09/06/2021 | 12:03 uur


Minigun after all, Dillon Aero M134D

https://twitter.com/toujoursentete/status/1402547248798519304

Top toevoeging op de voertuigen van onze KCT  :big-smile:

Iets wat de NL SOF al jaren miste wat mij betreft! En weet je waar dit ook prachtig op gaat staan?


Harald



Minigun after all, Dillon Aero M134D

https://twitter.com/toujoursentete/status/1402547248798519304

Top toevoeging op de voertuigen van onze KCT  :big-smile:

Harald

A400M helicopter refuelling certification campaign   
( wat de Fransen al konden met de KC-130J, kunnen ze nu ook met de A400M ... flinke uitbreiding voor hun SF optreden )



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OWmtMlZEAs

Huzaar1

Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 04/03/2021 | 15:53 uur
Nee, die zijn niet voor ons. I checked.

Loitering ammo, dat is wat jullie boys willen. Past prima in een mortier, en bij jullie optreden.
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion" US secmindef - Jed Babbin"

Stoonbrace

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 23/02/2021 | 13:40 uur
We hebben al eerder tekeningen gezien maar ik denk niet dat Belgie wordt bedoelt.

Nee, die zijn niet voor ons. I checked.

Harald

Citaat van: DiepFries op 04/03/2021 | 14:47 uur
Een ietwat ge-upgrade Can Am Maverick X3, dat zetten ze er nooit ff bij of wat ze precies veranderd hebben..   :hrmph:

Idd,  :omg:
Je kunt ze bijna krijgen als bouwpakket.

https://can-am.brp.com/off-road/us/en/customize-your-own/app.html?platform=SSV_SSP_MAX&package=4X4_DS_STD&unitid=0007UMC00

Niet te vergelijken met een ontwikkelingsproces zoals bij de Vector van Defenture voor NL Defensie