Defensiebegrotingen en -problematiek, niet NL

Gestart door Lex, 10/07/2006 | 21:54 uur

Reinier

Citaat van: Harald op 08/06/2010 | 09:03 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 08/06/2010 | 08:56 uur
De Duitse marine houdt nu 4 nieuwe U-212 over en ontvangen er in de komende jaren nog 2 bij. Totaal houden ze dan 6 onderzeeërs.

Klopt, maar de 2 nog te ontvangen subs worden pas operationeel in 2015
Tja, daar hebben wij ook een handje van; M-fregatten verkocht in 2004, 2005 en 2006 en de 'vervangers' komen pas in 2011-2013. De Duitsers hoeven 'maar' 5 jaar te wachten...

Harald

Citaat van: Reinier op 08/06/2010 | 08:56 uur
De Duitse marine houdt nu 4 nieuwe U-212 over en ontvangen er in de komende jaren nog 2 bij. Totaal houden ze dan 6 onderzeeërs.

Klopt, maar de 2 nog te ontvangen subs worden pas operationeel in 2015

Reinier

Citaat van: Harald op 08/06/2010 | 08:19 uur
Eerste duitse bezuinigingen een feit !!

De duitse marine is het haasje, van de 10 onderzeeboten gaan er 6 vervroegd eruit.
Dit is wel heel drastisch, maar volgens mij gaat het om het oudere U-206 type dat er vervroegd uit gaat. Zouden er toch al uit gaan. De jongste van deze is gebouwd in 1973!
De Duitse marine houdt nu 4 nieuwe U-212 over en ontvangen er in de komende jaren nog 2 bij. Totaal houden ze dan 6 onderzeeërs.

Harald

Eerste duitse bezuinigingen een feit !!

De duitse marine is het haasje, van de 10 onderzeeboten gaan er 6 vervroegd eruit.

en ze gaan werken met 2 crews op 1 schip, dit concept willen ze zowel op de onderzeeboten als op hun fregatten toepassen.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4656689&c=SEA&s=EUR

VandeWiel

Germany is preparing to make drastic cuts to military spending and considering scrapping conscription, according to sources within the Bundeswehr and the government.

The defence minister, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, is planning to slash the number of active-duty soldiers from 250,000 to 150,000. He will also argue that a professional army will provide a more efficient military when €1bn (£840m) worth of cuts are needed to the annual defence budget.

Scrapping conscription could lead to a saving of €400m a year, although it would also change the way in which the military has been anchored in German civilian life since the 19th century.

Coming on top of previous cuts, which already mean Germany's defence spending is the second lowest per capita among the G8 countries, after Japan, the troop reduction will result in a German military half the size it was six years ago.

"There are no taboos," Guttenberg said in response to the leaked plans. "We're working on a variety of scenarios."

These come as part of a drive to cut Germany's record budget deficit. Other proposals include raising autobahn tolls, reducing bonus payments to parents and scrapping plans to reconstruct a Prussian palace in Berlin. Decisions will be made at a special meeting, due next week, of Chancellor Angela Merkel's cabinet.

Although 76% of Germans are in favour of defence budget cuts, according to a recent poll, the decision to do away with compulsory military service is by far the most controversial. While Nato leaders have been calling for a fully professional German army for decades, most people in Germany oppose the idea.

Germans overwhelmingly favour conscription because, in view of the militaristic past, it is seen as an appropriate way of keeping the army in check. Many point out that a professional army failed to stop the Nazis from coming to power.

Conscripts have traditionally been encouraged to view their service as helping to protect Germany, which in turn has helped cultivate the general view of the armed forces as peacekeepers rather than fighters. Conscripts are commonly referred to as "citizens in uniform". It was, therefore, a watershed moment several months ago when Guttenberg started referring to the conflict in Afghanistan as a "war", rather than a peacekeeping mission.

No conscript can be forced to take part in foreign missions, which are made up of professionals and volunteers.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/03/defence-chief-ponders-end-to-citizens-in-uniform?

Elzenga

Ik denk dat de kans groot is dat ze de dienstplicht gaan afschaffen, maar de bijna 190.000 beroepsmilitairen voorlopig grotendeels behouden. Met de hoge werkeloosheid in Duitsland is snijden daarin (buiten natuurlijke afvloeiing) geen verstandige stap lijkt mij. Maar ja...afwachten....

Enforcer

Ik snap wel dat ze de diensplicht willen afschaffen, maar 40% minder personeel is gewoon een slachting. Ben benieuwd wat voor onderdelen ze er uit gooien.

Lex

Bundeswehr Might Be Cut By 100,000 Troops

The German defense department is considering a cut in troop strength by 40 percent and suspension of compulsory military services in the latest effort to reduce costs within the country's military.

If enacted, troop strength in Germany would shrink from 250,000 personnel to 150,000.

The newest proposal is coming in anticipation of this weekend's cabinet budget conclave set to begin June 6 in Berlin, according to the newspapers Hamburger Abendblatt, Stuttgarter Nachrichten and Bild, citing sources within the military and the government coalition.

While Finance Secretary Wolfgang Schäuble said the military is targeting savings of more than 1 billion euros ($1.22 billion) annually, suspending compulsory military service would save about 400 million euros.

A spokesman for the defense department would not confirm or deny the reports: "At the moment different scenarios are investigated as a preparation for the cabinet conclave. In this process there are no thoughts prohibited, but there are also no decisions made," said the spokesman, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Defense Secretary Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg is expected to hold talks with the finance department on June 4 about his position during the budget negotiations.

"The actual task of national defense could not be met any more with a reduced number of personnel of around 150,000, with a consistent level of deployment," said the head of the Deutsche BundeswehrVerband, Col. Ulrich Kirsch. However, members of the political opposition, such as Agnieszka Malczak of Bündnis90/Die Grunen, welcomed such proposals and called compulsory military service outdated.

Defense News,
Published: 2 Jun 2010 15:14

Elzenga

Citaat van: Lex op 28/05/2010 | 09:18 uur
Citaat van: Elzenga op 28/05/2010 | 00:53 uur
Naast de Europese landen zal ook Amerika fors moeten ingrijpen om een groot begrotingsoverschot en schuld te verkleinen.
..... begrotingsoverschot ..... ?
OEPS  :angel: in their wild dreams ;)

Lex

Citaat van: Elzenga op 28/05/2010 | 00:53 uur
Naast de Europese landen zal ook Amerika fors moeten ingrijpen om een groot begrotingsoverschot en schuld te verkleinen.
..... begrotingsoverschot ..... ?

Elzenga

#282
Meer landen zullen volgen. Ik verwacht eind 2011 of 2012, als de Amerikaanse terugtrekking uit Afghanistan flink op stoom is, ook forse bezuinigingen op het Amerikaanse defensiebudget. Met forse ingrepen in wapenprogramma's. Dat kan waarschijnlijk pas dan (eerder wordt het verkeerd vertaald ten aanzien van de oorlog in Afghanistan) en zal door Obama worden gebruikt om zijn kans op een herverkiezing te versterken. Naast de Europese landen zal ook Amerika fors moeten ingrijpen om een groot begrotingstekort en schuld te verkleinen. Voor die tijd zullen er spanningen zichtbaar worden in de wapenindustrie en pogingen nog snel orders veilig te stellen.

Lex

French MoD Won't Deny Reports of Budget Cuts

PARIS - The French Defense Ministry declined May 27 to rule out spending cuts of up to almost 5 billion euros ($6 billion) over the next three years as officials draw up prospective reductions ahead of the annual dispatch of budget letters from the prime minister's office.

Ministry spokesman Laurent Teisseire declined to deny a report in business daily Les Echos, which said the ministry is preparing for a reduction of 2 billion euros to 3 billion euros in the best case and 4.8 billion euros in the worst over the next three years.

"There are people whose job it is to think of budget scenarios," Teisseire told journalists. "For the time being, it's only an internal exercise which doesn't mean too much since we haven't set out the spending limits yet."

The actual figures will only be known when the prime minister's office sends out the letters, due in mid-June, to each government department, setting out the spending cap, Teisseire said.

Prime Minister François François Fillon has said there will be a freeze in government spending in a bid to manage the massive public deficit.

Teisseire said there were no plans to cancel the move of the chiefs of staff of the armed forces and ministry officials to an integrated site at Balard, in the east of the capital, dubbed the "French Pentagon."

The Defense Ministry has already signed up to cut 54,000 staff - 46,000 military personnel, 7,000 civilian - over the next three years as part of a public sector review.

Any cuts in the defense budget, which is usually around 30 billion euros a year, will likely hurt large companies such as Dassault, EADS, Nexter, Safran and Thales, as well as the small and medium-sized sector, which look to government orders to maintain a steady flow of business.

The Defense Ministry has enjoyed two years of budgetary buoyancy, with equipment spending for 2010 set at 17.02 billion euros out of a total budget of 32.15 billion euros, excluding pensions. The 32.99 billion euro budget for 2009 included 17.94 billion for equipment.

The equipment amounts were unusually high because equipment ordered years ago was delivered, forming a budgetary bow wave.

Defense officials had hoped to find new sources of funding by selling property and digital radio waves, but the real estate market is in the doldrums.

Defense News,
Published: 27 May 2010 10:58

Lex

Italian Military Hit by 10% Budget Cut

Italian defense officials struggling to cope with reductions in their budgets are bracing for a fresh 10 percent cut delivered by an emergency debt reduction package launched by the Italian government on May 26, a spokesman for Defense Minister Ignazio La Russa said May 27.

The cuts would hit defense ministry coffers in 2011 and may also endanger the top-up funds Italy's armed forces receive from the industry ministry and other sources, a senior defense source warned. The austerity package would also trim state wages and take other measures. In all, it is aimed to save 24 billion euros ($29.4 billion).

The center-right government of Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi wants to chip away at Italy's public debt and avoid attacks by speculators looking for the next weak link in the Euro zone after Greece's bailout. In presenting the planned cuts, Berlusconi said Italy, "like all countries in Europe, has been living beyond its means."

But according to one senior defense official, the cuts mean "the military is now in a really bad way."

The 10 percent cut comes on top of defense budget reductions executed in 2009 and 2010 and ones planned for 2011. Maintenance-and-operations spending was already poised to decline by 20 percent in 2011, the senior defense official said.

"To that, we would now have to add the 10 percent cut just announced," he said.

Spending by the Italian defense ministry in 2010 stands at 14.28 billion euros, down 0.4 percent from 2009.

Italian opposition politicians said the cuts could damage Italy's military operational capabilities.

"This would be a dangerous cut to make," said Sen. Gen. Mauro Del Vecchio. "Maintenance and operations would be the most delicate area, with the reduction in flight and navigation hours affecting training, which affects operational capabilities."

A fellow opposition senator, Roberta Pinotti, warned that the government had done little about restructuring the Italian military to allow it to survive with less funding.

"The commission set up to look at defense reorganization in the wake of the first cuts produced a document which merely said rationalization was needed, but did not say how," she said. "Those cuts were dramatic; this new cut will be devastating."

To protect defense procurement from dwindling budgets, the Italian government has long relied on top-up funds from the Italian industry ministry, also known as the ministry of economic development. Purchases of Eurofighters, FREMM frigates and new Freccia armored vehicles are among the programs that rely on funding from the industry ministry.
Now the top-up funds could be at risk, the military source said.

"The 10-percent cuts would affect the industry ministry from 2011, which is when a number of funding streams from the ministry for defense programs terminate and require renewal if the procurements are to be completed," the source said. "Funding for the Freccia expires in 2011, yet money is needed through until 2014. FREMM funding from the ministry also expires in 2011, yet is required until 2016 or 2017. Eurofighter funds from the industry ministry expire in 2012, but are required until 2017.

"Funding from the ministry for only four new AW101 combat search-and-rescue helicopters for the Air Force has been agreed, but the Air Force requires 12 helicopters," he said.

The Berlusconi government has tried to beef up maintenance and operations spending with funds normally reserved for overseas missions. Those funds are approved at intervals by the Italian parliament, separate from ministry of defense funding.

In 2009, parliament increased funding this to 1.5 billion euros; defense minister Ignazio La Russa said that the money could be partly used for maintenance of equipment in Italy, before and after that equipment was used in theater.

The defense official said that roughly the same figure would likely be freed up for operations this year.

"About 400,000 euros of that could be used for maintenance and training in Italy," he said.

But the specter of austerity-linked cuts to mission spending in 2011 was real, said the official.

The official said that Italy was also about to send around 1,000 extra troops to Afghanistan.

"This will correspond with a reduction of troops in areas like the Balkans, meaning the number of troops abroad may not change, but considering the extra distance and the greater protection required, a soldier in Afghanistan costs more than one in the Balkans," he said.

Defense News,
Published: 27 May 2010 11:04

Elzenga

#279
Citaat van: hudinie op 27/05/2010 | 14:48 uur
Wij gaan het nog meemaken dat we zelfs het GEWEER gaan afschaffen en overgaan tot de LONGBOW..kostprijs 440 euro en handgemaakt...en die maakt ook geen lawaai want dan hebben de vogeltjes die broeden er ook geen last van.
Maak je geen zorgen hudinie...er komen nog genoeg oorlogen en conflicten...hoeveelheid conflictstof neemt eerder toe dan af....waar ook Nederland aan mee zal (of moet) doen. Alleen met minder middelen en in kleinere omvang....en...vrees ik...niet altijd even up-to-date.

Pascal2702

Ik ben van na de oorlog,
En dat wil ik graag zo houden.