Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen

Gestart door Lex, 19/12/2015 | 16:32 uur

dudge

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 25/11/2016 | 12:50 uur
Ook chinese vliegtuigen kunnen dit enkel extern dragen.

Als je geen stealth toestel bent is dat qua concept ook minder erg.

Sparkplug

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 25/11/2016 | 12:50 uur
Ook chinese vliegtuigen kunnen dit enkel extern dragen.

Dat gaf ik eigenlijk al eerder aan met de Chinese J-11 en J-16.

Zoals Jurriën al aangaf, heeft men hier in het Westen een uitdaging. Wanneer de AIM-120D en de Meteor op een gegeven moment niet (meer) het bereik hebben, dan zal iets daarvoor moeten zorgen.
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Huzaar1

Citaat van: Sparkplug op 24/11/2016 | 19:28 uur
Dat sowieso. Dit soort raketten kunnen westerse jachtvliegtuigen alleen extern dragen en de grootte beperkt het aantal ophangpunten.

Ook chinese vliegtuigen kunnen dit enkel extern dragen.
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jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

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Citaat van: Sparkplug op 24/11/2016 | 19:28 uur
Dat sowieso. Dit soort raketten kunnen westerse jachtvliegtuigen alleen extern dragen en de grootte beperkt het aantal ophangpunten.

Waarbij het missile-truck concept meer en meer actueel wordt. (B1/B52/B2/B21)

Voor Europa: een aantal A330 verbouwen?

Sparkplug

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/11/2016 | 19:13 uur
Als het genoemde bereik correct is en dan ook nog nauwkeurig en betrouwbaar dan is er weer een uitdaging gecreëerd.

Dat sowieso. Dit soort raketten kunnen westerse jachtvliegtuigen alleen extern dragen en de grootte beperkt het aantal ophangpunten.
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

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Citaat van: Sparkplug op 24/11/2016 | 19:08 uur
Wat ik uit het artikel begrijp, vliegen J-11 en J-16 met deze raketten als ondersteuning van de J-20.

Als het genoemde bereik correct is en dan ook nog nauwkeurig en betrouwbaar dan is er weer een uitdaging gecreëerd.

Sparkplug

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/11/2016 | 19:06 uur
Speciaal voor de J-20 als AWACS en Tanker killer?

Wat ik uit het artikel begrijp, vliegen J-11 en J-16 met deze raketten als ondersteuning van de J-20.
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

Citaat van: Sparkplug op 24/11/2016 | 18:52 uur
Deze Chinese VLRAAM is behoorlijk lang met meer dan 5 meter. De oude AIM-54 Phoenix vond ik al groot.

Speciaal voor de J-20 als AWACS en Tanker killer?

Sparkplug

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/11/2016 | 18:22 uur
China is testing a new long-range, air-to-air missile that could thwart U.S. plans for air warfare | Popular Science

http://po.st/ZRx4Hc via @PopSci

Deze Chinese VLRAAM is behoorlijk lang met meer dan 5 meter. De oude AIM-54 Phoenix vond ik al groot.
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

China is testing a new long-range, air-to-air missile that could thwart U.S. plans for air warfare | Popular Science

http://po.st/ZRx4Hc via @PopSci

Sparkplug

Another T-50 Fighter's Flying Prototype Takes to the Sky

(Source: TASS-Defense; published Nov 22, 2016)

MOSCOW --- Another flying prototype of Russian fifth-generation fighter T-50 (also known as PAKFA - Russian for future tactical aircraft) flew for the first time in Komsomolsk-on-Amur on November 17, according to Internet sources saying the aircraft's index is T-50-8.

Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov had said previously that the ninth T-50 prototype was about to start its tests. In all probability, he meant T-50-8, because the aircraft, designated as T-50-5 and damaged in flight in June 2014, was rebuilt using some of the components of the sixth PAKFA prototype (T-50-6) and re-designated as T-50-5R.

In addition, according to open sources, the first start of 'Product 30', better known as the PAKFA's 'second-phase engine', took place early in November 2016. Yevgeny Marchukov, general designer/director of the Lyulka Design Bureau (an affiliate of UMPO), told its team in a greeting message.

"I congratulate the personnel of the corporation on the first start of Product 30," he said in the telegram.

As was reported in the press, the PAKFA's second-phase engine will be 17% more efficient than the first-phase engine (Product 117) currently used for testing the T-50. The latest engine will feature lower specific fuel consumption and a reduced infrared signature compared to Product 117.

UEC Conducts First Start of Advanced Engine for PAKFA

(Source: TASS-Defense; published Nov 24, 2016)

MOSCOW --- The United Engine Corporation (UEC, a subsidiary of Rostec) has conducted the first start of the advanced engine (Product 30) designed to power the T-50 (PAKFA - Russian acronym for Future Tactical Aircraft), the corporation's press office says in a news release.

"The test start has been a success. The engine demonstrator was started at the Lytkarino Machinebuilding Plant," the release says.

The engine is under development by the Lyulka Design Bureau under the supervision of General Designer Yevgeny Marchukov dual-hatted as director, UEC explained.

According to the corporation's director general, Alexander Artyukhov, "advanced design solutions unrivalled in Russia's engine-making industry have been used" to manufacture the demonstrator.

In addition to the technology demonstrator, several core engines of the sophisticated engine have been made for bench tests.

As was reported in the press, the advanced engine will start powering Russian fifth-generation fighter T-50 (PAKFA) on its sorties in the fourth quarter of 2017. The PAKFA's maiden flight took place in 2010. The fighter is due to enter service in 2017. For the time being, the prototypes are equipped with the so-called 'first-phase' engines (Product 117).

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/178985/russia-flies-ninth-t_50-fighter%2C-tests-new-engine.html
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Sparkplug

The Finnish Defence Forces' Logistics Command Received Responses Concerning the Replacement of the Hornet Aircraft

(Source: Finland Ministry of Defence; issued Nov 22, 2016)

The Finnish Defence Forces' Logistics Command received today responses to the Requests for Information regarding the replacement of Hornet aircraft.

The following manufacturers responded: Boeing (F/A-18), Dassault Aviation (Rafale), BAE Systems (Eurofighter Typhoon), Lockheed Martin (F-35) and Saab (JAS Gripen). Covering thousands of pages in English, the responses contain classified information.

When experts within the Defence Administration have analysed the responses in the course of the coming winter, the Defence Forces will give more information about them in April 2017.

The Finnish Defence Forces' Logistics Command sent Requests for Information (RFI) regarding the replacement of Hornet aircraft to the governments of Great Britain, France, Sweden and the United States. These governments were requested to further send the RFIs to their respective industries which manufacture multi-role fighters.

A Request for Information precedes the actual procurement. One of the key goals of an RFI is to ensure that different candidates have the possibility and willingness to take part in Finland's HX fighter project, and to specify alternative concepts, obtain information on systems and define the preliminary need for financing.

Through an RFI it is possible to bring together visions as to what kind of solutions the recipients of the RFIs offer to replace the capabilities of the Air Force F/A-18 aircraft in the post-2030 security environment. An RFI is also a way to collect information on multi-role fighters which is used for detailed planning and budgeting of procurement and for elaborating on the requirements set on the multi-role fighter.

In the RFIs, budget estimates were asked about the costs of procuring, using and maintaining the systems and their calculation methods. In addition to the actual aircraft, the systems which are reviewed include weapons, training equipment, C2 systems and maintenance arrangements. Manufacturers could also present solutions which include several types of aircraft or unmanned aerial vehicles contributing to the capabilities of multi-role fighters.

The RFIs were sent to defence administrations in countries that manufacture the kind of multi-role fighters and related systems which could meet Finland's requirements to replace the capabilities of the Hornet aircraft. An RFI contains detailed information on the operational principles of air defence and the desired future capabilities. A majority of the information provided and of the responses received are classified.

On 19.11.2015, the Defence Forces got a mandate from Defence Minister Jussi Niinistö to start the HX fighter project. The aim of the project is to replace the operational capability of the Air Force F/A-18 aircraft which will be phased out as of 2025. The decision on starting the project is based on the Government programme.

The Commander of the Air Force is the project owner. The Finnish Defence Forces' Logistics Command is responsible for the technical and commercial preparation of the project while the Ministry of Defence is in charge of providing materiel policy guidance. A call for tender will be sent in spring 2018 and the procurement decision will be made in 2021.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/178993/finland-mod-updates-fighter-replacement-plans.html
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

dudge

Citaat van: Mourning op 24/11/2016 | 13:58 uur
Hey, waar zijn alle (negatieve) nieuwsberichten en commentaren op het nieuws van deze vertraging?  :cute-smile:  :devil: :devil: :devil:

Is geen vertraging he, is een verandering van volgorde 😁.

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

Citaat van: Mourning op 24/11/2016 | 13:58 uur
Hey, waar zijn alle (negatieve) nieuwsberichten en commentaren op het nieuws van deze vertraging?  :cute-smile:  :devil: :devil: :devil:

Geen eer te behalen aan een programma afzeiken wat geen honderden miljarden dollars/euro's  kost en waar slechts enkele tientallen, met veel geluk een paar honderd, eenheden van worden gebouwd.

Mourning

Hey, waar zijn alle (negatieve) nieuwsberichten en commentaren op het nieuws van deze vertraging?  :cute-smile:  :devil: :devil: :devil:
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