Internationale MPA ontwikkelingen

Gestart door Harald, 27/06/2018 | 09:36 uur

Harald

Citaat van: Ace1 op 19/06/2019 | 18:56 uur
Blaast men de Sea Hercules een nieuw leven in?
Nee.. Dit is een upgrade asw pakket op pallet basis voor een gewone C-130J

Parera

Citaat van: Ace1 op 19/06/2019 | 18:56 uur
Blaast men de Sea Hercules een nieuw leven in?

Simpelere verbouwing, de Sea Herc was een compleet aangepaste C-130 dit is meer een modulaire ''pallet'' oplossing. De ramp dient ook als wapen launcher en geen ingebouwde bombay meer zoals bij de Sea Herc.

Ace1

Citaat van:  flightglobal op 19/06/2019 | 13:54 uur
PARIS: Lockheed unveils maritime patrol kit for C-130 Hercules

Lockheed Martin is working on a maritime patrol aircraft retrofit kit for the C-130 Hercules.

The kit is intended to "roll on" new C-130Js, as well as legacy variants of the military transport, with initial concepts calling for wing-mounted Harpoon anti-ship missiles and clusters of Hellfire air-to-ground missiles, as well as torpedoes to be stored in the cargo bay and launched off the back ramp.

The aircraft could sport a number of sensors including a multimode radar, a nose-mounted electro-optical/infrared camera, droppable sonar buoys, wing-tip-mounted electronic support measures, and a magnetic anomaly detector boom on the tail.

Lockheed Martin does not have a formal name for the system yet, but refers to it generically as the MPA kit. The company is competing against dedicated maritime patrol aircraft such as Boeing's P-8A Poseidon.

"We think it's a very good alternative for the marketplace compared to some of the other choices out there that would usually be much more expensive," said Tony Frese, Lockheed Martin vice-president of business development for air mobility and maritime missions, at the show. "They don't have to have a dedicated maritime patrol aircraft in their inventory. They can in relatively short order change between maritime patrol and air transport mode."

Lockheed Martin points out its experience with the US Navy's P-3 Orion MPA fleet and the US Coast Guard HC-130J MPA aircraft. The USCG is acquiring a fleet of 22 HC-130J aircraft to replace its older HC-130Hs. Lockheed Martin says it has had no discussions with the USN about its proposed MPA kit.

The MPA kit is unlikely to be available for installation for three to four years, said Lockheed Martin. "These are concepts that we're in discussions now with customers, as well as suppliers, so it would take us a bit of time," said Frese. "The point is these are existing systems that we would just integrate on the aircraft. Our focus would very much be non-developmental. It's very much on the integration side."

The company is hoping that the MPA kit could be added to the C-130 airframe with very little structural modifications. It is even looking at technology to remove the need to attach a MAD boom to the tail. "There are some sensors I understand that you can install inside the aircraft that you won't have to put on the outside," said Frese. He declined to name the technology or the manufacturer.

Ultimately, Lockheed Martin believes the retrofit market may be a bigger sales opportunity than installing the MPA kit on new C-130Js. "There's maritime patrol requirements in Europe. There's a lot of C-130s in Europe," said Frese. "There's maritime patrol requirements in Asia. And, there's a significant number of Asian countries that have C-130s now."

There are more than 1,200 C-130s in service across the world, according to Cirium's Fleets Analyzer.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-lockheed-unveils-maritime-patrol-kit-for-c-13-459096/

Blaast men de Sea Hercules een nieuw leven in?

Harald

PARIS: Lockheed unveils maritime patrol kit for C-130 Hercules

Lockheed Martin is working on a maritime patrol aircraft retrofit kit for the C-130 Hercules.

The kit is intended to "roll on" new C-130Js, as well as legacy variants of the military transport, with initial concepts calling for wing-mounted Harpoon anti-ship missiles and clusters of Hellfire air-to-ground missiles, as well as torpedoes to be stored in the cargo bay and launched off the back ramp.

The aircraft could sport a number of sensors including a multimode radar, a nose-mounted electro-optical/infrared camera, droppable sonar buoys, wing-tip-mounted electronic support measures, and a magnetic anomaly detector boom on the tail.

Lockheed Martin does not have a formal name for the system yet, but refers to it generically as the MPA kit. The company is competing against dedicated maritime patrol aircraft such as Boeing's P-8A Poseidon.

"We think it's a very good alternative for the marketplace compared to some of the other choices out there that would usually be much more expensive," said Tony Frese, Lockheed Martin vice-president of business development for air mobility and maritime missions, at the show. "They don't have to have a dedicated maritime patrol aircraft in their inventory. They can in relatively short order change between maritime patrol and air transport mode."

Lockheed Martin points out its experience with the US Navy's P-3 Orion MPA fleet and the US Coast Guard HC-130J MPA aircraft. The USCG is acquiring a fleet of 22 HC-130J aircraft to replace its older HC-130Hs. Lockheed Martin says it has had no discussions with the USN about its proposed MPA kit.

The MPA kit is unlikely to be available for installation for three to four years, said Lockheed Martin. "These are concepts that we're in discussions now with customers, as well as suppliers, so it would take us a bit of time," said Frese. "The point is these are existing systems that we would just integrate on the aircraft. Our focus would very much be non-developmental. It's very much on the integration side."

The company is hoping that the MPA kit could be added to the C-130 airframe with very little structural modifications. It is even looking at technology to remove the need to attach a MAD boom to the tail. "There are some sensors I understand that you can install inside the aircraft that you won't have to put on the outside," said Frese. He declined to name the technology or the manufacturer.

Ultimately, Lockheed Martin believes the retrofit market may be a bigger sales opportunity than installing the MPA kit on new C-130Js. "There's maritime patrol requirements in Europe. There's a lot of C-130s in Europe," said Frese. "There's maritime patrol requirements in Asia. And, there's a significant number of Asian countries that have C-130s now."

There are more than 1,200 C-130s in service across the world, according to Cirium's Fleets Analyzer.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-lockheed-unveils-maritime-patrol-kit-for-c-13-459096/

Sparkplug

A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Parera

Via @TheDEWLine

Citaat
Lockheed Martin unveils retrofit option for anti-submarine warfare mission package on existing C-130s.





Sparkplug

A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Sparkplug

A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Sparkplug

A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Sparkplug

A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Parera


Zander

Citaat van: Umbert op 05/04/2019 | 07:53 uur
Zou ook de bouw van de op platform lijkende vlakte verklaren die ze aan deze kant gebouwd hebben, had al zo'n vermoeden dat de tankers aan deze kant kwamen.
Maar nogmaals, is er dan nog ruimte voor bijvoorbeeld een X aantal andere grote toestellen zoals de P8 of een andere MPA?
People are sheep

Umbert

Citaat van: Master Mack op 05/04/2019 | 00:00 uur
Ik had zoiets gehoord dat de KLU binnen 10 jaar tijd verhuist naar de andere kant van de baan in Eindhoven. Aan de kant waar de shelters staan.  Er zijn plannen voor een station/trein verbinding aan de civiele kant. En als de KLU aan de andere kant zit een verwijdering van het hek tussen het mil. Veld en kaz.Oirschot.

Zou ook de bouw van de op platform lijkende vlakte verklaren die ze aan deze kant gebouwd hebben, had al zo'n vermoeden dat de tankers aan deze kant kwamen.

Parera

Citaat van: Harald op 04/04/2019 | 15:45 uur
Wat ik eigenlijk bedoel met de samenwerking GB en NO is in de vorm van mensen op laten leiden bij GB en/of NO (ik weet niet of doctrine gelijk is aan elkaar en ook visie NL) en in later stadium eventueel lease van P-8 en na lease koop van dezelfde P-8 toestellen.
Maar goed neemt niet weg de vraag ; waar je de P-8's wilt stationeren ? helaas is Valkenburg niet meer, had een goede ligging.
Ik denk dat Leeuwarden ook afvalt, geluidsnormen en belasting wordt dan te hoog. Kwa ligging prima.


Op zo'n manier samenwerken kan altijd, maar echt in verband optreden gaat niet werken. Doctrines heb ik geen verstand van en kan ik ook geen antwoord op geven.

Kunnen ze in Vlissingen geen baan aanleggen?  :angel:  :dead: Nee dat gaat niet dat kan ik 100% zeker bevestigen.

Citaat van: Zander op 04/04/2019 | 16:00 uur
Precies wat ik bedoelde.
Den Haag kennende is de denkwijze;
Het is er al dus investeren in eigen capaciteit is niet nodig.
Inderdaad leuke optie maar wel een met risico, ik zie meer in een tussenoplossing.


Citaat van: Master Mack op 05/04/2019 | 00:00 uur
Ik had zoiets gehoord dat de KLU binnen 10 jaar tijd verhuist naar de andere kant van de baan in Eindhoven. Aan de kant waar de shelters staan.  Er zijn plannen voor een station/trein verbinding aan de civiele kant. En als de KLU aan de andere kant zit een verwijdering van het hek tussen het mil. Veld en kaz.Oirschot.

Eindhoven kan een optie zijn, als de KLU daar al van plan is te gaan verbouwen maar ik persoonlijk ben meer van het concentreren van de transport capaciteit op Eindhoven met mogelijkheid tot uitbreiding van die capaciteit in de toekomst.

Heeft er al eens iemand aan de Peel gedacht? Baan van 2988 m lengte en ligt 30 m boven zee niveau.

Master Mack

Ik had zoiets gehoord dat de KLU binnen 10 jaar tijd verhuist naar de andere kant van de baan in Eindhoven. Aan de kant waar de shelters staan.  Er zijn plannen voor een station/trein verbinding aan de civiele kant. En als de KLU aan de andere kant zit een verwijdering van het hek tussen het mil. Veld en kaz.Oirschot.