Opvolging Alkmaar klasse

Gestart door Harald, 30/10/2014 | 10:19 uur

Huzaar1

Goed nieuws voor Nederland dus.
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion" US secmindef - Jed Babbin"

Harald

Maritime Mine Counter Measures (MMCM) programma, de Fransen gaan samen met de Britten hun eigen weg, dus een Tri-programma zoals de Alkmaar-klasse geworden is tussen Frankrijk, Belgie en Nederland zal het dus niet meer worden.

Stand-off and deliver: French/UK MMCM programme charts an unmanned course into the minefield
http://www.janes360.com/images/assets/969/53969/UK_MMCM_programme_charts_an_unmanned_course_into_the_minefield.pdf

Het lijkt me goed dat Nederland en Belgie samen optrekken in de vervanging van de Alkmaar klasse.

Gezien de introductie door Damen van het nieuwe Multi Role Auxiliary Vessel programma wat in principe aansluit, lijkt het me goed via deze klasse te komen tot een Alkmaar klasse vervanger.

Damen announces new range of Naval Multi-Role Auxiliary Vessels
http://products.damen.com/en/ranges/multi-role-auxiliary-vessel

Multi Role Auxiliary Vessel 1600 is eigenlijk te groot in vergelijking de huidige Alkmaar -klasse, een iets kleinere 1100 tons MRAV 1100, zou mijns inziens beter zijn.

MRAV 1600



http://www.damen.com/~/media/New-Corporate-Damen/Images/News/2016/06/Damen_announces_new_range_of_Naval_Multi_Role_Auxiliary_Vessel/Multi_Role_Auxiliary_Vessels.ashx

StrataNL

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/04/2016 | 20:17 uur
Helaas.... en dan te bedenken dat de MFF's in 2020 technisch niet meer aan moderne wensen/eisen kunnen voldoen en de instandhoudingskosten (vermoedelijk) de pan uit zullen rijzen.

Operationeel qua wapensystemen (voor hoogste geweldsspectrum) nu eigenlijk al niet meer.
-Strata-
Je Maintiendrai! Blog: Krijgsmacht Next-Generation

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

Citaat van: JdL op 12/04/2016 | 19:48 uur
Hetzelfde geldt voor de M-fregatten.

Helaas.... en dan te bedenken dat de MFF's in 2020 technisch niet meer aan moderne wensen/eisen kunnen voldoen en de instandhoudingskosten (vermoedelijk) de pan uit zullen rijzen.


JdL

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/04/2016 | 19:40 uur
Vwb het laatste: het is stil... te stil.
Hetzelfde geldt voor de M-fregatten.
'The goal is world peace, and to do so you must have strength' Ronald Reagan

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

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Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/04/2016 | 15:50 uur
Er beweegt weer iets in het Alkmaarklasse vervangingsdossier:


Na enig onderzoek via een goede bron is het helaas al weer tijd om het enthousiasme te temperen.

De Belgische en Nederlandse marine zijn het eens over de invulling van vervangende mijnenbestrijdingscapaciteit, dat is helaas heel wat anders dan een formele behoeftestelling richting Tweede Kamer.

Vwb het laatste: het is stil... te stil.

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

Er beweegt weer iets in het Alkmaarklasse vervangingsdossier:

Via Twitter (12 april 2016)

Belgian Navy Geverifieerd account 
‏@TheBelgianNavy   
Belgian & Netherlands navies together to discuss about the future during Benesam meeting

‏@admiraalheeren   
Georges Heeren heeft geretweet Belgian Navy
@GeneraalVerkerk  Signature of the common concept for next generation mine countermeasures.




Harald

DARPA's Unmanned Submarine Stalker Could Change Naval Warfare Forever    (ontwikkeling in de VS)

In 2010, DARPA announced that it wanted to create a surface dwelling unmanned sub hunter stalker, otherwise known as the Anti-Submarine Warfare Continuous Trail Unmanned Vessel, or ACTUV for short. Fast forward five years and the prototype is about to set sail. What comes next could be a revolution in naval warfare.

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Sea Hunter will be a trimaran design, with the vast majority of its hull and superstructure built of lightweight and radar-translucent carbon-composite materials. It will have a length of around 130 feet and its center hull will be long and streamlined. The trimaran design lends itself to endurance, sea keeping, and speed, which will be necessary for keeping up with sprinting diesel submarines as well as those that are running slow and quiet for long periods of time. The first ACTUV prototype, named Sea Hunter, is currently under construction at Oregon Iron Works and will be tested on the Columbia River later this year. Oregon Iron Works have become something of a Scaled Composites-like boutique manufacturing house for exotic, experimental and stealthy naval vessels.

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voor gehele artikel zie LINK
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/darpas-unmanned-submarine-stalker-could-change-naval-wa-1695566032


Elzenga

"The mine hunting system will have the ability to be controlled from a mother ship or a shore-based station via a high-date-rate communications
link."

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2015/03/27/anglo-french-deal-for-minehunting-goes-to-thales/70539150/

Harald

Thales-led team wins Anglo-French mine hunting deal    (Frankrijk en UK gaat hun eigen weg, niet Europees via EDA (European Defence Agency)

A Thales-led consortium has signed a deal with the British and French governments to design an unmanned system to defeat underwater mines.

The contract is the first phase of what could become a multi-year program to build and operationally evaluate a mine hunting demonstrator for the British and French navies .

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http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2015/03/27/anglo-french-deal-for-minehunting-goes-to-thales/70539150/

Harald

De Fransen hebben samen met de Britten en Duitsers hun eigen ontwikkeling/ onderzoek lopen.

Misschien dat Duitsland wel op 2 (zee)paarden aan het wedden is ?

ARM-WAP

De Fransen?
Doen niet mee?
Ik dacht nochtans dat DCNS' project er interessant uitziet... (Een moederschip dat drones vervoert en kan inzetten. Deze drones hebben dan kleinere drones die ze vanop afstand bestuurd inzetten)

Harald

#1
New European Maritime Mine Counter Measures project launched

Five Member States as well as Norway signed a new project arrangement earlier this month to start work on future Maritime Mine Counter Measures (MMCM) capabilities. Called MMCM-NG (New Generation), the project will run until 2017 and prepare the next generation of mine countermeasures ships.

Belgium, Estonia, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden as well as Norway agreed on 8 October 2014 to launch a new research project regarding future Maritime Mine Counter Measures (MMCM) capabilities. Dubbed MMCM-NG (New Generation), the project arrangement was signed at the European Defence Agency's premises during a Steering Board of the Capabilities Directors. Germany is the project's lead nation.

Easy to deploy and cheap to acquire, maritime mines and other underwater improvised explosive devices pose a real threat to naval forces and civilian ships by restricting freedom of movement in shallow waters, harbours and strategic choke points. Being able to detect, avoid, and defuse these weapons is therefore a key requirement for European navies.


Preparing the next generation

The MMCM-NG project has a planned duration of 36 months during which contributing Member States, based on an agreed operational concept, will work on a set of common requirements to prepare the future generation of mine countermeasures ships and systems that could become operational in the 2030 timeframe. At the end of this 3-year project, Member States will have gathered enough information to decide on the potential launch of a procurement phase for these new systems.

Compared to existing solutions, future MMCM capabilities are expected to bring increased flexibility through a modular "toolbox" comprising a range of systems adaptable to different platforms, environmental, or operational conditions. The use of unmanned vehicles will also be developed and new detection techniques could be introduced. Future MMCM operations are also expected to be conducted with state-of-the-art sensors and effectors carried and deployed from dedicated or hybrid platforms as well as from stationary or mobile shore installations.

Based on the different national requirements, several technical solutions will be assessed as part of the project. Standards, protocols and interfaces will be described and agreed upon commonly in order to ensure future interoperability and to enable synergies in the fields of training, logistics, and maintenance.

http://www.eda.europa.eu/info-hub/news/2014/10/28/new-european-maritime-mine-counter-measures-project-launched


Waarschijnlijk krijgen we begin 2015 via Hennis een visie/behoeftebeschrijving rondom de opvolging/vervanging van de Alkmaar klasse

PowerPoint UMS studie :
http://ums2014.inescporto.pt/final-program/EDA_Presentation_Porto.ppt

Artikel : Future Mine countermeasures - No easy sloutions
https://www.usnwc.edu/getattachment/52bdbbc0-4fc8-4fc9-abf0-243dfe2a7279/Future-Mine-Countermeasures--No-Easy-Solutions.aspx