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[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Minister rubbishes submarine delay report

http://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/5794415/minister-rubbishes-submarine-delay-report/?cs=9397 via @theadvocatetas

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Future submarines could arrive late and cost more, confidential negotiations reveal

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-05/future-submarines-could-arrive-late-and-cost-more/10577926 via @ABCNews

[Parera]

Mocht Nederland voor de aangepaste A26 Oceanic ER gaan, welke in feite net als de S-80 een opgeschaalde versie van het basisontwerp is, dan kunnen vergelijkbare problemen en kosten optreden. Gelukkig hebben de Zweden er zojuist ervaring mee opgedaan met hun verlengde Gotlandklasse. Of de Japanners met hun Soryuklasse, die tikken zulke bedragen gewoon af en mondje toe.

Je hebt gelijk maar de A26 Oceanic ER is niet alleen verlengt maar is ook breder dan de ''basis'' A26. Daarmee is het dus een compleet nieuw ontwerp dat gebruik maakt van de looks en systemen die ook in de A26 verwerkt zijn. Spanje heeft de boot ontworpen en er een stuk tussen gezet voor drijfvermogen dat is toch net iets anders. En de Oceanic ER is al enkele jaren in ontwikkeling bij Damen-Saab en ik ga er vanuit dat ze ook al lang schaal modellen getest hebben in het bad van MARIN.

[Zeewier]

Slecht geschreven artikel inderdaad. Totaal niet duidelijk wat er bedoeld word maar het bedrag is wat laag voor 4 nieuwe boten van dit formaat.
Het project koste al 4 miljard euro dus 1 miljard per boot en nu dus 1,45 miljard per boot. 

Mocht Nederland voor de aangepaste A26 Oceanic ER gaan, welke in feite net als de S-80 een opgeschaalde versie van het basisontwerp is, dan kunnen vergelijkbare problemen en kosten optreden. Gelukkig hebben de Zweden er zojuist ervaring mee opgedaan met hun verlengde Gotlandklasse. Of de Japanners met hun Soryuklasse, die tikken zulke bedragen gewoon af en mondje toe.

[Zeewier]

Russia's First Upgraded Borei-Class Ballistic Missile Sub Enters Sea Trials
Sea trials of the first upgraded variant of the Borei-class nuclear missile sub are reportedly underway.

By Franz-Stefan Gady
December 04, 2018

The nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine (SSBN) Knyaz Vladimir (Prince Vladimir), the Russian Navy's first upgraded Project 955A Borei II-class ("North Wind") or Dolgorukiy-class boomer, has reportedly begun sea trials this month, according to Russian media reports. The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) has so far not publicly confirmed the commencement of this crucial testing phase of what is destined to be the Russian Navy's most advanced missile submarine ever to enter service.

The Russian Navy is expected to take delivery of the Knyaz Vladimir, laid down in July 2012, in 2019, two years later than initially planned as a result of a contract dispute between the Russian MoD and the Severodvinsk-based Sevmash Shipyards. Compared to the original Borei-class, the Knyaz Vladimir will reportedly boast improved maneuverability and stealth capabilities, next to carrying extra submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBMs). As I wrote elsewhere:

In comparison to the Borei-class,  Borei II[A]-class submarines are fitted with four additional missile tubes, boast smaller hulls and cons, and feature improved acoustics and lower sound levels, next to a number of other technical improvements. Both variants of Borei-class subs will be armed with Bulava (RSM-56) [SLBMs]. The Borei-class capable of carrying up to 16 Bulava [SLBMs], whereas the improved Borei II-class can carry up to 20 ballistic missiles.

Bulava (NATO reporting name SS-NX-30 or SS-N-32) SLBMs are each armed with six to 10 nuclear multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRV) warheads yielding 100 to 150 kilotons apiece, as well as 10 to 40 decoys. The Borei-class SSBN Yuri Dolgoruky last test fired four Bulava SLBMs from a submerged position in the White Sea off the northwest coast of Russia on May 22. The lead boat of the class primarily serves as testing platform for the Bulava and has far not conducted any deterrence patrols.
The new boomer is the first of a planned fleet of five Borei II-class SSBNs. Following the Knyaz Vladimirin 2012, two other improved Borei-class boats were laid down in 2014. Under the Russian government's 2018-2027 state armament program, two yet to be named Borei II-class SSBNs, laid down in December 2015 and 2016 respectively, will be delivered to the service in 2026 and 2027.
"With the keel-laying of two more underwater cruisers, the number of Project 955 and Project 955A strategic submarines in the Russian Navy will rise to ten," a Russian defense industry source told TASSnews agency on November 30. "Five of them will be operational in the Northern Fleet and the other five in the Pacific Fleet."
The Russian Navy currently operates three Borei-class SSBNs. The Borei-class SSBN Yuri Dolgoruky is in service with Russia's Northern Fleet, while the remaining two – Alexander Nevsky and Vladimir Monomakh — are deployed with the Russian Pacific Fleet. The latter two boomers have so far not test fired any Bulava SLBMs.

https://thediplomat.com/2018/12/russias-first-upgraded-borei-class-ballistic-missile-sub-enters-sea-trials/

[Parera]

Na 2x lezen begrijp ik dat het om een hele dure contractaanpassing aan de modificatie gaat van hun 4 boten. Géén nieuwe serie.

Slecht geschreven artikel inderdaad. Totaal niet duidelijk wat er bedoeld word maar het bedrag is wat laag voor 4 nieuwe boten van dit formaat.
Het project koste al 4 miljard euro dus 1 miljard per boot en nu dus 1,45 miljard per boot. 

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Na 2x lezen begrijp ik dat het om een hele dure contractaanpassing aan de modificatie gaat van hun 4 boten. Géén nieuwe serie.

Yep, gemiddeld €450 mjn per bood extra.

[Zeewier]

Na 2x lezen begrijp ik dat het om een hele dure contractaanpassing aan de modificatie gaat van hun 4 boten. Géén nieuwe serie.

Spain Approves €1.8 Bn Order for Four S-80 Submarines

Modification of the Execution of the Construction of Four S80 Submarines

The Council of Ministers on Nov. 30 authorized the modification of the execution order awarded by the Ministry of Defense to Navantia for the construction of four S-80 submarines, for an estimated value of 1,771,703,930.42 euros, as the basic conditions were altered essential aspects of the contract, both in terms of the technical characteristics and in terms of compliance and price.

This order of execution, which derives from the collaboration agreement signed between the company Izar Construcciones Navales S.A. (Navantia) and the Ministry of Defense, is a legal business excluded from the Consolidated Text of the Contracts Law of Public Administrations.

It subsequently suffered various modifications and vicissitudes in the execution, in such a way that the Navantia company in November 2012 communicated to the Navy the non-viability of the design due to a critical deviation in the weight control of the ship.

This situation forced us to focus all our efforts on finding the technical solution that would solve this problem and allow us to return the project to viability. This solution has already been reached, so it is necessary to implement it, and the modification of the Order of Execution of March 25, 2004 is required for this purpose.

The change is due to reasons of public interest, such as the interest of national defense, reaching strategic independence in an essential weapon, the technological and industrial development in Spain of the air-independent propulsion system (AIP), as well as economic and social reasons in the area of influence of the Navantia shipyard in the Region of Murcia.

The modification which has now been authorized has as precedent the agreement of the Council of Ministers of July 27, 2018, that modifies the limits of the acquisition expenditure commitments charged to future years and authorizes the increase of the Special Program of Modernization of the Armed Forces corresponding to the S-80 submarines.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/198083/spain-approves-%E2%82%AC1.8-bn-order-for-four-s_80-submarines.html

[Zeewier]

Sea trials of upgraded Borei-class nuclear submarine reportedly underway in Russia
Published time: 3 Dec, 2018 15:03


The nuclear submarine Knyaz Vladimir being launched. ©Ruptly

The first Russian nuclear missile submarine of the upgraded Borei-A project is reportedly undergoing sea trials, a key phase before being handed over to the Navy. Three regular Borei-class subs are already in service.
The Borei class is to replace older Akula and Delfin class submarines as the backbone of the Russian naval component of the nuclear deference triad. They carry 16 Bulava submarine-launched missiles as their primary armament and may also fire cruise missiles from torpedo tubes.
The Knyaz Vladimir is the first submarine built as an upgraded Borei-A variant, which has improved communication systems, lower noise levels, and better crew cabins. It was laid down in 2012 and launched in November last year. According to bmpd, a respected Russian defense blog, on November 28 the submarine was deployed for sea trials by its producer, the Sevmash shipyard base in Severodvinsk. She is expected to enter service sometime next year.
Three Borei-class submarines – the Yuriy Dolgorukiy, the Aleksandr Nevskiy and the Vladimir Monomakh – are currently on active duty in the Russian Navy. They were commissioned between January 2013 and December 2014 and are regularly used as platforms for Bulava SLBM test launches.



The Borei-class submarine Aleksandr Nevsky. ©Sputnik / Ildus GilyazutdinovFour other Borei-A-class submarines are in construction, with plans for two more previously announced. A Borei-B variant featuring a new propulsion system and other upgrades is being developed by the Rubin Design Bureau, the lead designer of the class.

https://www.rt.com/russia/445460-borei-submarine-sea-trials/

[Harald]

Spain Approves €1.8 Bn Order for Four S-80 Submarines

Modification of the Execution of the Construction of Four S80 Submarines

The Council of Ministers on Nov. 30 authorized the modification of the execution order awarded by the Ministry of Defense to Navantia for the construction of four S-80 submarines, for an estimated value of 1,771,703,930.42 euros, as the basic conditions were altered essential aspects of the contract, both in terms of the technical characteristics and in terms of compliance and price.

This order of execution, which derives from the collaboration agreement signed between the company Izar Construcciones Navales S.A. (Navantia) and the Ministry of Defense, is a legal business excluded from the Consolidated Text of the Contracts Law of Public Administrations.

It subsequently suffered various modifications and vicissitudes in the execution, in such a way that the Navantia company in November 2012 communicated to the Navy the non-viability of the design due to a critical deviation in the weight control of the ship.

This situation forced us to focus all our efforts on finding the technical solution that would solve this problem and allow us to return the project to viability. This solution has already been reached, so it is necessary to implement it, and the modification of the Order of Execution of March 25, 2004 is required for this purpose.

The change is due to reasons of public interest, such as the interest of national defense, reaching strategic independence in an essential weapon, the technological and industrial development in Spain of the air-independent propulsion system (AIP), as well as economic and social reasons in the area of influence of the Navantia shipyard in the Region of Murcia.

The modification which has now been authorized has as precedent the agreement of the Council of Ministers of July 27, 2018, that modifies the limits of the acquisition expenditure commitments charged to future years and authorizes the increase of the Special Program of Modernization of the Armed Forces corresponding to the S-80 submarines.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/198083/spain-approves-%E2%82%AC1.8-bn-order-for-four-s_80-submarines.html

[Sparkplug]

Artikel m.b.t. Collins-klasse en Sea 1000 programma.

ASC highlights Collins-class sustainment risks

https://www.janes.com/article/84813/asc-highlights-collins-class-sustainment-risks

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Mijn vrees is dat van uitstel af stel komt.
Ik ben een beetje bang dat er mogelijk een destructieve weg in geslagen is, waarbij er mogelijk helemaal geen toekomst is voor subs in Canada.
De politiek ziet ook in Canada de noodzaak van een dergelijk middel niet.

Die uitspraak vind ik nu nog te voorbarig... ook de huidige Canadese club politici zit niet eeuwig en ook daar begint langzaam het besef door te dringen dat de wereld drastisch aan veranderen is.

[Huzaar1]

Mijn vrees is dat van uitstel af stel komt.
Ik ben een beetje bang dat er mogelijk een destructieve weg in geslagen is, waarbij er mogelijk helemaal geen toekomst is voor subs in Canada.
De politiek ziet ook in Canada de noodzaak van een dergelijk middel niet.

Ze moeten wel, hebben echt geen keus. Het betekent een gigantisch probleem voor Canada als Russische/Chinese onderzeeers daar straks ongehinderd kunnen ronddobberen en andere NAVO landen gaan het niet waarderen als ze daar onder het ijs de hete ijspegels uit de sneeuw kunnen halen 

[Zander]

Mijn vrees is dat van uitstel af stel komt.
Ik ben een beetje bang dat er mogelijk een destructieve weg in geslagen is, waarbij er mogelijk helemaal geen toekomst is voor subs in Canada.
De politiek ziet ook in Canada de noodzaak van een dergelijk middel niet.

[Mourning]

Kan indien Nederland uiteindelijk voor haar eigen Damen-Saab product gaat positief uitpakken, want tegen de tijd dat de Canadezen komen aankakken mag je er vanuit gaan dat de eerste van onze sub toch echt wel in de vaart is genomen en de kinderziektes er vrijwel allemaal uit zijn gewerkt... wel een grote als, maar ja. Ideaal zou zijn als men mee wil doen met de ontwikkeling maar dat zit er dus, helaas, niet in. Het geeft in ieder geval iets van duidelijkheid.