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Citaat van: Harald op 30/09/2022 | 08:14 uur
Hyundai Rotem from Korea signs MOU with Kongsberg from Norway to develop marketing of K2 tank K808 armored vehicle and RWS

South Korean company Hyundai Rotem announced on September 28th that it has signed a Teaming Agreement with the Norwegian company Kongsberg Defense & Aerospace AS.



Hyundai Rotem signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with Kongsberg in August 2021 to cooperate on the tank business, and through the signing of this cooperation agreement, the cooperative relationship between the two companies has been further strengthened.

On 21st September, Kongsberg officials visited the Hyundai Rotem exhibition hall, which participated in the Korea Defense Industry Exhibition, and signed this cooperation agreement, which includes cooperation on product development and sales activities between Hyundai Rotem and Kongsberg to target the global defense market.

In particular, the two companies have established a strategic cooperative relationship to apply and sell Kongsberg products, from remote weapon systems and digital integrated systems to Hyundai Rotem's ground weapon system platform, such as the K2 Black Panther tank and K808 wheeled armored vehicle.

In addition, Hyundai Rotem decided to develop potential products for the future, such as unmanned turrets and unmanned aerial vehicle protection systems for next-generation tanks and wheeled armored vehicles.

Through this cooperation agreement, Hyundai Rotem, together with Kongsberg, is expected to develop and apply a state-of-the-art operating system that can further strengthen the ground weapon system platform such as tanks and armored vehicles, thereby enhancing product competitiveness for targeting the global market.

In addition, cooperation with Kongsberg, a local Norwegian company, is expected to gain momentum in attacking the Norwegian tank business. Hyundai Rotem is conducting sales activities with the goal of winning an order for the Norwegian tank business, and a winter test and evaluation of the K2NO tank was conducted in the field from January to February 2022.

Norway has rejected the option to upgrade its fleet of Leopard 2A4 Finally and has opted for the acquisition of a new main battle tank. Two candidates are shortlisted: the South Korean K-2 Black Panther tank and the German Leopard 2A7. Norway plans to acquire 200 MBTs and the winner could be selected in 2025.

In November 2021, Army Recognition reported that Hyundai Rotem had unveiled its K2NO, the Norwegian proposal of the South Korean K2 Black Panther MBT during the ADEX 2021 defense exhibition in South Korea.

According to technical features published by the company, the K2NO will be based on the original South Korean K2 but modified according to specific requirements of the Norwegian armed forces. The K2NO has a crew of three (commander, gunner, and loader). The tank has a combat weight of 61.5 tons with a length of 10.8 m, a width of 3.6 m, and a height of 2.4 m.

The K2NO keeps the design of the K2 but is equipped with a new turret fitted with additional active protection armor as well as the Israeli APS (Active Protection System) with radar antennas mounted on each side at the front of the turret. The trophy is a military active protection system (APS) designed by the Israeli company Rafael to protect combat vehicles from ATGMs (Anti-Tank Guided Missile), RPGs (Rocket Propelled Grenades, anti-tank rockets, and tank HEAT (High-explosive Anti-Tank) rounds.

The K2NO is armed with a CN08 120mm/55caliber smoothbore gun indigenously developed by the Agency for Defense Development and Hyundai Wia. The 120mm gun can fire about 10 rounds per minute. With a total supply of 40 various rounds, the Black Panther can rain hellfire on an enemy position for nearly three minutes before needing resupply. A total of 16 rounds are stored in the autoloader and 24 rounds are stored inside the hull. The top of the turret is equipped with a remotely operated weapon station from the Norwegian company Kongsberg, armed with a 12.7mm heavy machine gun.

The K2 is motorized with an MTU MT-883 Ka-501 4-cycle, 12-cylinder water-cooled diesel engine developing 1,500 hp. coupled to an automatic transmission. The tank can reach a maximum road speed of 65 km/h, and 50 km/h in off-road conditions, with a maximum cruising range of 450 km.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_september_2022_global_security_army_industry/hyundai_rotem_signs_defense_cooperation_agreement_with_kongsberg.html

Ik dacht hier op Defensieforum toch ergens gelezen te hebben dat naast Polen en Noorwegen nog een Oost-Europees lande K2 tank Wilt?

DvdW

Citaat van: Mourning op 30/09/2022 | 11:43 uur
Noorwegen, een land van nog geen 5,4 miljoen inwoners, wil 200 nieuwe MBT's aanschaffen. Nu snap ik ook wel dat zij een (kleine) directe grens hebben met Rusland en dus niet direct zijn te vergelijken met ons, maar dan nog is het verschil met Nederland wel (voor ons m.i.) pijnlijk groot v.w.b. slagkracht op het land.

Dat is geen klagen of weet ik wat. Dat is m.i. gewoon feitelijk correct.
Het is gewoon de keiharde realiteit die wij maar mondjesmaat willen accepteren hier in NL. Na decennialang te teren op toverwoorden zoals outsourcen en specialiseren moeten we een keer volwassen worden en duidelijke keuzes maken. We hebben lang genoeg geprofiteerd van de goedheid van anderen....
The beauty of grace is that it makes life not fair...

ת'תקווה בלב נועל, עם חזק לא נתקפל
כי לא נולד הבן זונה שיעצור את ישראל

Mourning

Noorwegen, een land van nog geen 5,4 miljoen inwoners, wil 200 nieuwe MBT's aanschaffen. Nu snap ik ook wel dat zij een (kleine) directe grens hebben met Rusland en dus niet direct zijn te vergelijken met ons, maar dan nog is het verschil met Nederland wel (voor ons m.i.) pijnlijk groot v.w.b. slagkracht op het land.

Dat is geen klagen of weet ik wat. Dat is m.i. gewoon feitelijk correct.
"The only thing necessary for Evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"- Edmund Burke
"War is the continuation of politics by all other means", Carl von Clausewitz, Vom Kriege/On War (1830).

Harald

Hyundai Rotem from Korea signs MOU with Kongsberg from Norway to develop marketing of K2 tank K808 armored vehicle and RWS

South Korean company Hyundai Rotem announced on September 28th that it has signed a Teaming Agreement with the Norwegian company Kongsberg Defense & Aerospace AS.



Hyundai Rotem signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with Kongsberg in August 2021 to cooperate on the tank business, and through the signing of this cooperation agreement, the cooperative relationship between the two companies has been further strengthened.

On 21st September, Kongsberg officials visited the Hyundai Rotem exhibition hall, which participated in the Korea Defense Industry Exhibition, and signed this cooperation agreement, which includes cooperation on product development and sales activities between Hyundai Rotem and Kongsberg to target the global defense market.

In particular, the two companies have established a strategic cooperative relationship to apply and sell Kongsberg products, from remote weapon systems and digital integrated systems to Hyundai Rotem's ground weapon system platform, such as the K2 Black Panther tank and K808 wheeled armored vehicle.

In addition, Hyundai Rotem decided to develop potential products for the future, such as unmanned turrets and unmanned aerial vehicle protection systems for next-generation tanks and wheeled armored vehicles.

Through this cooperation agreement, Hyundai Rotem, together with Kongsberg, is expected to develop and apply a state-of-the-art operating system that can further strengthen the ground weapon system platform such as tanks and armored vehicles, thereby enhancing product competitiveness for targeting the global market.

In addition, cooperation with Kongsberg, a local Norwegian company, is expected to gain momentum in attacking the Norwegian tank business. Hyundai Rotem is conducting sales activities with the goal of winning an order for the Norwegian tank business, and a winter test and evaluation of the K2NO tank was conducted in the field from January to February 2022.

Norway has rejected the option to upgrade its fleet of Leopard 2A4 Finally and has opted for the acquisition of a new main battle tank. Two candidates are shortlisted: the South Korean K-2 Black Panther tank and the German Leopard 2A7. Norway plans to acquire 200 MBTs and the winner could be selected in 2025.

In November 2021, Army Recognition reported that Hyundai Rotem had unveiled its K2NO, the Norwegian proposal of the South Korean K2 Black Panther MBT during the ADEX 2021 defense exhibition in South Korea.

According to technical features published by the company, the K2NO will be based on the original South Korean K2 but modified according to specific requirements of the Norwegian armed forces. The K2NO has a crew of three (commander, gunner, and loader). The tank has a combat weight of 61.5 tons with a length of 10.8 m, a width of 3.6 m, and a height of 2.4 m.

The K2NO keeps the design of the K2 but is equipped with a new turret fitted with additional active protection armor as well as the Israeli APS (Active Protection System) with radar antennas mounted on each side at the front of the turret. The trophy is a military active protection system (APS) designed by the Israeli company Rafael to protect combat vehicles from ATGMs (Anti-Tank Guided Missile), RPGs (Rocket Propelled Grenades, anti-tank rockets, and tank HEAT (High-explosive Anti-Tank) rounds.

The K2NO is armed with a CN08 120mm/55caliber smoothbore gun indigenously developed by the Agency for Defense Development and Hyundai Wia. The 120mm gun can fire about 10 rounds per minute. With a total supply of 40 various rounds, the Black Panther can rain hellfire on an enemy position for nearly three minutes before needing resupply. A total of 16 rounds are stored in the autoloader and 24 rounds are stored inside the hull. The top of the turret is equipped with a remotely operated weapon station from the Norwegian company Kongsberg, armed with a 12.7mm heavy machine gun.

The K2 is motorized with an MTU MT-883 Ka-501 4-cycle, 12-cylinder water-cooled diesel engine developing 1,500 hp. coupled to an automatic transmission. The tank can reach a maximum road speed of 65 km/h, and 50 km/h in off-road conditions, with a maximum cruising range of 450 km.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_september_2022_global_security_army_industry/hyundai_rotem_signs_defense_cooperation_agreement_with_kongsberg.html

Harald


Master Mack

Wel opvallend dat op die Leo 2A7 under contract ook de NLD vlag staat.

Huzaar1

Citaat van: Harald op 20/09/2022 | 08:19 uur
overhangende achterdeel hebben ze allemaal, gevolg van (autolader en) magazijn. ik vind de toren wel lijken op de A7
wat zeg je hier toch allemaal? Hebben ze allemaal, door een autolader? De leopard2 heeft helemaal geen autolader. De russische tanks hebben die wel, maar die hebben juist geen overhang. Van de westerse tanks heeft de leclerc als enige een autolader en die overhang is het meest minimaal van alle westerse dominante tank ontwerpen. Het komt ook helemaal niet door een autolader die overhang maar door seperate munitie opslag dat op die wijze in een bunker wordt opgeslagen.
Citaat


Maar bij nader inzien (een vergroting bekeken) ;  de vorm, de insnoering achter het kanon lijkt het me een onbemande toren met autolader. Het achterste deel is smaller dan de ring.

Het is ook een onbemande toren waarschijnlijk. Maar dit heeft niets te doen met de gelijkenis met de leo2. Ik vind dit nogal een 'spitsige toren en er zit een kanon op met een zelfde aantal loopwiepen, ..net een leopard2 zeg' vergelijking.
Ieder zn herkenning..ik vind het geen gelijkenis. Wel wat overeenkomsten.
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion" US secmindef - Jed Babbin"

Harald

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 19/09/2022 | 23:57 uur
wat precies dan? Het overhangende gedeelte aan de achterzijde?
overhangende achterdeel hebben ze allemaal, gevolg van (autolader en) magazijn. ik vind de toren wel lijken op de A7



Maar bij nader inzien (een vergroting bekeken) ;  de vorm, de insnoering achter het kanon lijkt het me een onbemande toren met autolader. Het achterste deel is smaller dan de ring. 

Huzaar1

Citaat van: Harald op 19/09/2022 | 22:59 uur
De toren vind ik wel lijken, misschien onderstel van KF51 ?

wat precies dan? Het overhangende gedeelte aan de achterzijde?
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion" US secmindef - Jed Babbin"

Harald

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 19/09/2022 | 18:29 uur
Vindt je? Vind het absoluut niet op en leopard2 lijken, al helemaal het onderstel niet hoor.
De toren vind ik wel lijken, misschien onderstel van KF51 ?

Huzaar1

Citaat van: Harald op 19/09/2022 | 09:05 uur
the GVSC future tank concept   ( lijkt wel een aangepaste Leopard 2 )

https://imgur.com/EdlIdx3

https://www.usarmygvsc.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/MSP-MaMoSaS-Briefing-SEP-22-Final.pdf

Vindt je? Vind het absoluut niet op en leopard2 lijken, al helemaal het onderstel niet hoor.
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion" US secmindef - Jed Babbin"

Harald

Aanpassingen aan de Italiaanse MBT C1 Ariete

Citaat"Prototipo 2" of Ariete shows also the upgraded FCS/optics compartments, with the same currently used on Centauro 2 MGS (most advanced tank destroyer in the world). From this pic is visible: LOTHAR SD for gunner, Attila D (multispectrals) for commander, and camera for the driver.
https://twitter.com/CiroNappi6/status/1569975042380816390




CitaatAs previsly said in other tweets (below), the C1 Ariete AMV, with the increase of powerplant power, new tracks etc, will be able to carry both addon armored package, the PSO (Peace Support Operation) and WAR (symmetrical warfare with MBTs), plus anti mine blast plate on the hull



CitaatThe three configurations of protection of C1 #Ariete MBT.
- WAR (add on armour) for symmetrical clashes with other MBT units.
- PSO Peace Support Operation mk1 (addon armour), with large coverage on the sides for added protection against anti-tank rockets in 'peace keeping' role.
https://twitter.com/CiroNappi6/status/1433052257239670792




Zander

Citaat van: Harald op 19/09/2022 | 09:05 uur
the GVSC future tank concept   ( lijkt wel een aangepaste Leopard 2 )

https://imgur.com/EdlIdx3

https://www.usarmygvsc.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/MSP-MaMoSaS-Briefing-SEP-22-Final.pdf
Ieder "modern" tankonderstel heeft wel wat overeenkomsten. Er wordt aan het uiterlijk niet zo veel vernieuwd. Het blijft een stalen kuip op tracks. De in te bouwen systemen/mechanica zijn het interessantst.
People are sheep

Harald