Amphibious Ready Group (ARG), light carriers CVL als basis ipv LHD

[Oorlogsvis]

Je kan dit vaartuig een beetje vergelijken met  een LST  (Landing Ship Tank).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landing_Ship,_Tank

Volgens mij moet dit toch ook goedkoop te maken zijn ? ...maar zo'n platbodem van 60m ...vol met voertuigen ..en dan een beetje
een wilde zee ...dat wil je niet lijkt mij.

[Ace1]

Ok best handig deze schepen ...de landing zal veel sneller gaan zo dan steeds met een paar LCU's op en neer te varen naar de LPD, nu zet je in een klap
al je voertuigen zo op het strand.
Alleen die Helikopter erop snap ik nog niet zo ...zit geen  hangar op bijvoorbeeld en het is een schip om je troepen op het strand af te zetten niet om
langdurig met een heli te varen.

Een LPD vervangen door 6 van deze ?

Je kan dit vaartuig een beetje vergelijken met  een LST  (Landing Ship Tank).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landing_Ship,_Tank

[Harald]

Marines, Navy Wrestle With How To Upgun Amphibs    ( extra punch voor LPD, goed idee ! .. maar dat kost wel extra pecunia )

The Marines want Vertical Launch System missile tubes on their new amphibious ships -- but the Navy isn't planning to leave room for them.

The Marines want better-armed amphibious warships for high-end combat, but there's no money in the budget and little room on the ships for their preferred solution, the Vertical Launch System. That leaves them looking at less capable but more affordable upgrades. Those range from bolting small Naval Strike Missile pods onto the deck – as on the Littoral Combat Ship – to parking a HIMARS missile-launcher truck on the back of the ship – as they tested during last year's Dawn Blitz wargames.

Why does this matter? In a major war against Russia or China, or even Iran, amphibious warships — as currently equipped — would have to rely on escorting destroyers both defensively, to shoot down attacking missiles and airplanes, and offensively, sinking enemy ships and bombarding targets ashore.

But those destroyers might not always be available and, even if they are, they might overwhelmed by the sheer volume of incoming fire. So the Marines want better-armed amphibs that can, ideally, operate unescorted or, at minimum, take on some of the burden of their own defense.

..../....

https://breakingdefense.com/2019/01/marines-navy-wrestle-with-how-to-upgun-amphibs/

[Thomasen]

10years expected  service life, dat is niet veel. Ben ook benieuwd  hoe een bootje van 60 meter het in de Pacific gaat doen. En van guam naar de zuid Chinese zee is ook nogal een stuk.

Concept lijkt me super trouwens, maar je moet wel bij de actie komen.

[Oorlogsvis]

Ok best handig deze schepen ...de landing zal veel sneller gaan zo dan steeds met een paar LCU's op en neer te varen naar de LPD, nu zet je in een klap
al je voertuigen zo op het strand.
Alleen die Helikopter erop snap ik nog niet zo ...zit geen  hangar op bijvoorbeeld en het is een schip om je troepen op het strand af te zetten niet om
langdurig met een heli te varen.

Een LPD vervangen door 6 van deze ?

[Sparkplug]

Uit het rapport van reactie #141

Ship Design
The Navy wants LAWs to be a relatively simple and relatively inexpensive ships with the
following features, among others:

• a minimum length of 200 feet;
• a maximum draft of 12 feet;
• a ship's crew of no more than 40 Navy sailors;
• an ability to embark at least 75 Marines;
• a minimum of 8,000 square feet of cargo area for the Marines' weapons, equipment, and supplies;
• a stern or bow landing ramp for moving the Marines and their weapons, equipment, and supplies the ship to shore (and vice versa) across a beach;
• a modest suite of C4I equipment;²¹
• a 25mm or 30mm gun system and .50 caliber machine guns for self-defense;
• a minimum transit speed of 14 knots;
• a minimum unrefueled transit range of 3,500 nautical miles;
• an ability to operate within fleet groups or deploy independently; and
• a 10-year expected service life.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46374

[Ace1]

Nog een afbeelding en een filmpje.

[Ace1]

Ze willen dus een schip dat op de JSS lijkt maar dan met een well deck en/of flatdeck. En dat ook nog eens een behoorlijke bewapening heeft. Wordt een duur schip

Dit is het concept wat ze willen.

[Umbert]

Nee,
Ik dacht ook eerst in die richting of een eigenlijk meer een XO achtig ontwerp, maar ... lengte is maar 200 voet = ca. 60 meter
Zie onderstaand voor de specificaties van LAW

OK dank U

[Ace1]

US Marines wants to move fast on a light amphibious warship. But what is it?

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2020/09/21/us-marines-wants-to-move-fast-on-a-light-amphibious-warship-but-what-is-it/

[Sparkplug]

Ze willen dus een schip dat op de JSS lijkt maar dan met een well deck en/of flatdeck. En dat ook nog eens een behoorlijke bewapening heeft. Wordt een duur schip

Nee,
Ik dacht ook eerst in die richting of een eigenlijk meer een XO achtig ontwerp, maar ... lengte is maar 200 voet = ca. 60 meter
.../...

Zie reactie #141 voor artikel en rapport over Light Amphibious Warship (LAW).

[Harald]

Ze willen dus een schip dat op de JSS lijkt maar dan met een well deck en/of flatdeck.

Nee,
Ik dacht ook eerst in die richting of een eigenlijk meer een XO achtig ontwerp, maar ... lengte is maar 200 voet = ca. 60 meter
Zie onderstaand voor de specificaties van LAW

[Umbert]

Marine Corps' Builds New Littoral Regiment, Eye On Fake Chinese Islands

The Corps is looking for a unit that is "very low signature and that give us the firepower that we need to be a relevant force that provides consequences, should we get past the deterrence phase,"  Maj. Gen. Kevin Iiams, assistant deputy commandant of Combat Development, said.

The Marine Corps is moving quickly to develop a new kind of infantry unit to challenge Chinese claims on small islands in the Pacific, while the Navy is developing new and smaller ships to move and supply them once they deploy.

The new Littoral Regiments won't be fully fleshed out for several years, but Marine Corps leaders said today they will be bolstered by logistics and air defense battalions once they're ready to go.

The Corps is wargaming "what assets would we be able to place in that battle space that are very low signature and that give us the firepower that we need to be a relevant force that provides consequences, should we get past the deterrence phase,"  Maj. Gen. Kevin Iiams, assistant deputy commandant of Combat Development, told reporters at the virtual Modern Day Marine event today.

The Corps envisions three new regiments, with two based in Japan and one in Guam.

Plans call for the regiment to undergo wargames and experimentation for about three years until a unit is fleshed out and ready to actually deploy.

"Much like our [Marine air-ground task forces] that we have now, there are support elements to it," Iiams said. "So, we'll have a littoral combat team; we'll have a littoral logistics battalion; and we'll have an anti-air battalion," Iiams added.

The units are part of the Corps' effort to move toward building a fast-moving, hard to detect "inside force" that can operate within range of Chinese and Russian weapons ranges while packing a potent offensive punch.

Over the summer, the Navy met with shipbuilders to talk about plans for a new class of logistics ship that can operate under fire and resupply Marines deep within the range of enemy precision weapons. The Next Generation Medium Logistics Ship would resupply both ships at sea, as well as small, ad hoc bases ashore.

There is also the Light Amphibious Warship, or LAW, which the Navy is working to define, which will be able to carry Marines as well as fuel and supplies — but also have the capability to share information with other parts of the fleet hundreds of miles away. "I see these LAWs as part of Marine organizations," Marine Maj. Gen. Tracy King said last month, adding, "and those larger Marine organizations being part of an Expeditionary Strike Group — that's a little bit new. We're evolving not only the stuff that we're acquiring, but the way in which we're going to use it and the way in which we're going to fight it."

The Navy and Marines eventually hope to build over twenty LAWs, if the designs and cost per ship works out.

https://breakingdefense.com/2020/09/marine-corps-builds-new-littoral-regiment-eye-on-fake-chinese-islands/?_ga=2.81554258.472312592.1600848183-855280167.1506406488

Ze willen dus een schip dat op de JSS lijkt maar dan met een well deck en/of flatdeck. En dat ook nog eens een behoorlijke bewapening heeft. Wordt een duur schip

[Harald]

Marine Corps' Builds New Littoral Regiment, Eye On Fake Chinese Islands

The Corps is looking for a unit that is "very low signature and that give us the firepower that we need to be a relevant force that provides consequences, should we get past the deterrence phase,"  Maj. Gen. Kevin Iiams, assistant deputy commandant of Combat Development, said.

The Marine Corps is moving quickly to develop a new kind of infantry unit to challenge Chinese claims on small islands in the Pacific, while the Navy is developing new and smaller ships to move and supply them once they deploy.

The new Littoral Regiments won't be fully fleshed out for several years, but Marine Corps leaders said today they will be bolstered by logistics and air defense battalions once they're ready to go.

The Corps is wargaming "what assets would we be able to place in that battle space that are very low signature and that give us the firepower that we need to be a relevant force that provides consequences, should we get past the deterrence phase,"  Maj. Gen. Kevin Iiams, assistant deputy commandant of Combat Development, told reporters at the virtual Modern Day Marine event today.

The Corps envisions three new regiments, with two based in Japan and one in Guam.

Plans call for the regiment to undergo wargames and experimentation for about three years until a unit is fleshed out and ready to actually deploy.

"Much like our [Marine air-ground task forces] that we have now, there are support elements to it," Iiams said. "So, we'll have a littoral combat team; we'll have a littoral logistics battalion; and we'll have an anti-air battalion," Iiams added.

The units are part of the Corps' effort to move toward building a fast-moving, hard to detect "inside force" that can operate within range of Chinese and Russian weapons ranges while packing a potent offensive punch.

Over the summer, the Navy met with shipbuilders to talk about plans for a new class of logistics ship that can operate under fire and resupply Marines deep within the range of enemy precision weapons. The Next Generation Medium Logistics Ship would resupply both ships at sea, as well as small, ad hoc bases ashore.

There is also the Light Amphibious Warship, or LAW, which the Navy is working to define, which will be able to carry Marines as well as fuel and supplies — but also have the capability to share information with other parts of the fleet hundreds of miles away. "I see these LAWs as part of Marine organizations," Marine Maj. Gen. Tracy King said last month, adding, "and those larger Marine organizations being part of an Expeditionary Strike Group — that's a little bit new. We're evolving not only the stuff that we're acquiring, but the way in which we're going to use it and the way in which we're going to fight it."

The Navy and Marines eventually hope to build over twenty LAWs, if the designs and cost per ship works out.

https://breakingdefense.com/2020/09/marine-corps-builds-new-littoral-regiment-eye-on-fake-chinese-islands/?_ga=2.81554258.472312592.1600848183-855280167.1506406488

[Sparkplug]

Report to Congress on Navy Light Amphibious Warship

https://news.usni.org/2020/09/01/report-to-congress-on-navy-light-amphibious-warship-2

Rapport:
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46374