Internationale ontwikkelingen artillerie

Gestart door Harald, 29/03/2021 | 15:01 uur

Huzaar1

Citaat van: Parera op 18/06/2024 | 16:51 uurDan is het toch goed? Als wij door het aanpassen van de vuurleiding veel meer mogelijkheden krijgen zowel als opties om het MLRS mee te vullen als industriële mogelijkheden zie ik dat al leen maar als pluspunten.

Yes, dit was ook de meerwaarde voor PULS.
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion" US secmindef - Jed Babbin"

Parera

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 18/06/2024 | 16:36 uurMet name laatste alinea is voor ons het uigangspunt geweest.

Dan is het toch goed? Als wij door het aanpassen van de vuurleiding veel meer mogelijkheden krijgen zowel als opties om het MLRS mee te vullen als industriële mogelijkheden zie ik dat al leen maar als pluspunten.

Huzaar1

Citaat van: Parera op 18/06/2024 | 16:12 uurJa ik snap dat we eigen munitie willen voor de PULS. Maar als ik het zo lees is de Euro-PULS een standaard export PULS met een Duits vuurleidingssysteem en Duitse vrachtwagen.

Ik zou zeggen dat vuurleidingssysteem kunnen we voor NL ook wel toepassen, dan is het enige verschil met NLD-DEU het type vrachtwagen waar ze op staan. Dat lijkt me geen probleem. Ik denk dat het heel erg interessant is voor NLD om in de toekomst de Duitse lange afstands munitie te kunnen afvuren en de NSM en haar opvolger (3SM) te kunnen afvuren tegen zee en/of land doelen.

Daarnaast lijkt het me handig dat we straks samen met de Duitsers munitie kunnen produceren voor de PULS. Dat we dan (een deel hiervan) dit zelf kunnen produceren in eigen land is een mooie stap verder.

Met name laatste alinea is voor ons het uigangspunt geweest.
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion" US secmindef - Jed Babbin"

Parera

#262
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 18/06/2024 | 15:48 uurDe hele bedoeling is eigen munitie te gaan gebruiken met dat Systeem. Dat werd na onze aankoop Duitse munitie vie Dhiel omdat na NL DLD dut systeem ook bleek te willen.

Ja ik snap dat we eigen munitie willen voor de PULS. Maar als ik het zo lees is de Euro-PULS een standaard export PULS met een Duits vuurleidingssysteem en Duitse vrachtwagen.

Ik zou zeggen dat vuurleidingssysteem kunnen we voor NL ook wel toepassen, dan is het enige verschil met NLD-DEU het type vrachtwagen waar ze op staan. Dat lijkt me geen probleem. Ik denk dat het heel erg interessant is voor NLD om in de toekomst de Duitse lange afstands munitie te kunnen afvuren en de NSM en haar opvolger (3SM) te kunnen afvuren tegen zee en/of land doelen.

Daarnaast lijkt het me handig dat we straks samen met de Duitsers munitie kunnen produceren voor de PULS. Dat we dan (een deel hiervan) dit zelf kunnen produceren in eigen land is een mooie stap verder.

Huzaar1

Citaat van: Parera op 13/06/2024 | 17:40 uurAls Europuls wat verder ontwikkeld is zou ik zeggen laat de NL PULS upgraden  van de firecontrol naar Europuls zodat we ook alle munitie soorten ervan kunnen integreren waarmee het MLRS ook ingezet kan worden als anti-scheeps raket systeem.

De hele bedoeling is eigen munitie te gaan gebruiken met dat Systeem. Dat werd na onze aankoop Duitse munitie vie Dhiel omdat na NL DLD dut systeem ook bleek te willen.
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion" US secmindef - Jed Babbin"


Harald

Voor mijn gevoel wat aan de late kant deze ontwikkeling, veel landen hebben nu bestelling al geplaatst voor HIMARS of PULS

Eurosatory 2024: Rheinmetall and Lockheed Martin's GMARS MLRS steps up as European competitor to M142 HIMARS.

On June 17, 2024, at the Eurosatory 2024 exhibition, the German company Rheinmetall and the American company Lockheed Martin jointly unveiled their Global Mobile Artillery Rocket System (GMARS). The GMARS project aims to replace Germany's MARS 2 systems, combining HIMARS technology with Rheinmetall's HX 8x8 chassis to support NATO interoperability and firepower capabilities.



The Global Mobile Artillery Rocket System (GMARS) is a joint development by Lockheed Martin and Rheinmetall, launched in 2023 to replace Germany's aging MARS 2 systems and create a European-based alternative to Lockheed's M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS). The GMARS combines the HIMARS technology with Rheinmetall's larger HX 8x8 chassis, allowing it to carry two rocket pods instead of one. This system is designed to ensure about 80% commonality with HIMARS munitions and logistics, maintaining interoperability within NATO forces, with the first GMARS units expected to be operational by 2025.

The GMARS is a multiple rocket launcher system capable of providing fire support missions up to a range of 400 km, with provisions for future enhancements to achieve even greater ranges. The system is designed to operate in all weather conditions, 24/7, ensuring reliable and precise long-range fires. The integration of the Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) Family of Munitions (MFOM) within the GMARS enables it to achieve long ranges and high precision, enhancing its role in modern artillery units.

This multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) features a "shoot and scoot" capability that allows for rapid movement and quick deployment, allowing it to reposition quickly after firing to avoid counter-battery fire. It is operated by a minimal crew of two, with a cabin capacity of three, ensuring a small operational footprint. The system does not require outriggers for stabilization, enabling faster deployment and repositioning. The system's rapid emplacement capability is facilitated by a boom and hoist system that enables safe and quick reloading in all weather conditions.

The known technical specifications of the GMARS include a length of 9.8 meters, a width of 2.5 meters, and a stowed height of 3.9 meters. It has an empty weight of 31,140 kilograms, which reaches 42,240 kg when fully loaded for combat duty. The system can reach a maximum speed of up to 100 kilometers per hour and has an operational range of up to 700 kilometers under nominal conditions, which surpasses the M142 HIMARS's operational range and speed limits.

The system is built with the flexibility to address a wide range of operational scenarios, from traditional artillery roles to advanced, multi-domain operations. Equipped with inertial navigation and GPS-aided targeting, providing high precision in both short and long-range engagements, this new system is designed to provide essential support to armed forces by targeting both pre-planned and time-sensitive objectives.

While both the HIMARS and the GMARS systems are designed for mobility and precision, the GMARS features an enhanced two-pod launcher system, like the EuroPULS system, allowing for greater payload capacity and a wider variety of munitions. These include the GMLRS (Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System) rocket with a range of over 70 kilometers, the ER GMLRS (Extended Range GMLRS) with a range of 150 kilometers, and the ATACMS (Army Tactical Missile System) capable of striking targets up to 300 kilometers away. The GMARS could also launch up to four PrSM (Precision Strike Missile), which offers a range of over 400 kilometers, providing deep strike capabilities. Additionally, a surface-launch cruise missile with a range of over 370 kilometers adds strategic targeting capabilities, while a 122 mm rocket provides a shorter-range option with a 22-kilometer reach.

The GMARS is designed for interoperability with NATO forces using M270 MLRS and HIMARS systems. It also features component commonality with the M270/HIMARS and Rheinmetall's HX Series of Mobility Platforms, ensuring logistical efficiency and operational readiness. The system supports pre-planned and time-sensitive targeting, making it suitable for multi-domain operations. Rheinmetall's 8x8 truck, serving as the platform for the GMARS, combines the ability to cover long distances with logistical commonality to the HX family in service with the German Army, including UTF and WLS.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/army-news-2024/eurosatory-2024-rheinmetall-and-lockheed-martins-gmars-mlrs-steps-up-as-european-competitor-to-m142-himars

Parera

#258
Als Europuls wat verder ontwikkeld is zou ik zeggen laat de NL PULS upgraden  van de firecontrol naar Europuls zodat we ook alle munitie soorten ervan kunnen integreren waarmee het MLRS ook ingezet kan worden als anti-scheeps raket systeem.

Parera

EuroPULS: a multiple rocket launcher with munitions à la carte
At the Future Artillery Conference, organised by Defence iQ in Paris, rocket launchers were starring, as many presentations from different armies were showing how these systems are becoming one of the key elements to provide long fires to their artillery formations. At DSEI 2023 KNDS and Elbit Systems signed a teaming agreement for the development of the EuroPULS future rocket artillery system, the Paris event being the right place to get an update on this system, prior to Eurosatory

Work on the EuroPULS started in 2022, ahead of the signing of the agreement at the London exhibition. The document formalized and implemented the strategic cooperation between the two companies, which combines the capabilities from KNDS as a systems house with those of the technology group Elbit Systems.

Until now multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) were developed for proprietary ammunition, however the war in Ukraine shows how much flexibility is a key issue, allowing not only to adapt to the mission but also to cope with possible shortage of original munitions. Hence the idea to develop a modularly scalable and flexible system that can be integrated to fire from any mobility platform with pinpoint accuracy and safety missiles coming from any provider.

The teaming sees Elbit providing the rocket launcher derived from the company PULS™ (Precise & Universal Launching System), while KNDS Deutschland acts as system integrator. Beside mechanical interfaces to accept rockets and missiles of different origins, the key element is the fire control system (FCS) which is based on that developed by Elbit Systems, with inputs from that of the RCH155 wheeled self-propelled howitzer by KNDS; the aim was to develop an FCS capable to easily integrate new ammunition while respecting European safety and security standards. The modular FCS is ITAR-free and can be linked to any fire direction centre.

The system features two launcher pods, which can be loaded with different types of ammunition giving full flexibility even at single-launcher level. The number of ammunitions depends on their type, as these can go from the new training rocket developed by Elbit Systems and Diehl, exhibited at the Defence iQ conference in Paris, which has a range of 15 km, to guided missiles with over 500 km range.

The munitions proposed for the EuroPULS obviously contain those from the original PULS system such as Elbit Systems' Accular 122 and 160 mm guided rockets, with respectively a 35 km and 40 km range, Elbit/Diehl Extra long-range high-precision rocket that can reach 150 km, Elbit Predator Hawk Long-range rocket for in-depth precision strikes that can reach targets at 300 km, all those having a declared CEP of less than 10 metres. The EuroPULS is also capable to fire Elbit's SkyStriker loitering munition, which can reach its objective at 100 km distance; provided with two different warheads, with respective mass of 5 or 10 kg, it can loiter for up to 2 hours with the smaller one and 1 hour with the bigger one. At the Future Artillery Conference Saab was proposing its Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB), this 150 km range ordnance being also among the EuroPULS effectors basket. The new MLRS will also accept Kongsberg Naval Strike Missile (NSM), capable to hit land and sea targets at over 250 km range. Looking at even longer ranges, short of 500 km, two systems are proposed. MBDA is developing its JFSM (Joint Fire Support Missile), compatible with the in service MARS (the German name for the US MLRS), while the same MBDA together with Kongsberg and Diehl launched the development of the 3SM Tyrfing (Super Sonic Strike Missile), both missiles having a 500 km range. As we can see no US MLRS-related ammunition are part of the system missile portfolio; EDR On-Line understood that technically these are compatible, however legal issues prevent these munitions to be used on the EuroPULS, at least for the time being. How much similar issues might impact the GLSDB, a derivative of Boeing's GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb, is to be seen.

The system proposed to the Bundeswehr by KNDS is based on an Iveco Trakker GTF3 8×8 chassis, fitted with a protected cabin. Powered by an Iveco Cursor 13 six-cylinder turbocharged engine providing 500 hp ensuring a 90 km/h speed and a range of over 750 km on road. The cabin hosts three soldiers, protection level depending on customer's choice, the windshield being protected by metal shutters during firing, to avoid abrasive jet blast to damage armoured glass. Behind the cabin a crane allows the EuroPULS to autonomously reload its pods; this means that resupply trucks will leave the pods with required ammunition at a rendez-vous point where the launcher will head once it finished the firing mission, ensuring maximum dispersion thus reducing the risk of concentrating a load of ammo at the same place. Should a customer select a truck unable to also carry a crane, for example a 6×6 chassis, reloading will need the assistance of a loading truck fitted with the crane. In the German configuration the EuroPULS will have a combat mass of 33.5 tonnes, dimensions being 10.5×2.55×3.83 metres, height being dictated by the crane. The height might be even higher should the customer decide to install a remotely controlled weapon station on the cabin, the roof being designed to withstand the mass and recoil forces of an RCWS armed with a machine gun.

The EuroPULS flexibility is not linked only to ammunition. The system can be integrated on different wheeled and tracked chassis. The Netherlands ordered its PULS launchers installed on Scania Gryphu 8×8 trucks, another option being Rheinmetall HX trucks or Tatra 6×6 chassis, a BAE Systems tracked platform being also a possibility.

EDR On-Line understood that KNDS is currently building the prototype of the EuroPULS in the German configuration, which should be ready in Q3 2024 to start firings before year end. According to the company, depending on orders the EuroPULS should be available by 2027.

https://www.edrmagazine.eu/europuls-a-multiple-rocket-launcher-with-munitions-a-la-carte








Parera

MBDA staat op ILA Berlijn met een nieuwe raket voor de (EURO)PULS MLRS ''Joint Fire Support Missile (JFSM) met een bereik tot 500 km. De (EURO)PULS kan 4 van deze raketten meedragen.



Sneak peek before the grand opening of 🇩🇪's biggest air show! 🚀 MBDA is at @ILA_Berlin  with 50 exhibits across 5 stands. Catch us at the Military Support Centre and our MBDA stand featuring #TAURUS, RCM² & SADM.

Video https://x.com/MBDAGroup/status/1798093804508950595

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Future Artillery 2024: PzH 2000 system improvements proposed

23 May 2024

by Nicholas Fiorenza


Proposed new capabilities for the PzH 2000 could extend its life to 2040–50. (Krauss-Maffei Wegmann)

System improvements to the Panzerhaubitze (PzH) 2000 were proposed at Defence iQ's Future Artillery 2024 conference held in Paris from 21 to 23 May to extend the lifetime of the self-propelled howitzer (SPH) to 2040–50.

Proposed new capabilities made possible by the PzH 2000's modularity include an advanced 155 mm gun firing ammunition with a range of 100 km and beyond. A related option would be an automatic charge loader, in addition to 30 ready-to-fire rounds.

Other proposed system improvements would protect the PzH 2000. This includes lightweight roof protection of the SPH against unmanned aerial vehicles, as well as a remote-controlled weapon system.

Optronics on the roof and a vision system for the driver would improve situational awareness.

There have been no fatalities among crews of the PzH 2000s donated to Ukraine, which have been effective against Russian Lancet loitering munitions, it was claimed at Future Artillery 2024.

For more information on the PzH 2000, please seePanzerhaubitze (PzH) 2000 – 155 mm/52 calibre

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/future-artillery-2024-pzh-2000-system-improvements-proposed
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Harald

Future Artillery 2024: Danish PULS MRL deliveries completed

Denmark has received all its Precise and Universal Launching System (PULS) multiple rocket launchers (MRLs) and its first batch of 155 mm/52 calibre Autonomous Truck Mounted Howitzer Systems (ATMOS), Janes learnt at Defence iQ's Future Artillery 2024 conference held in Paris from 21 to 23 May.

Most of the PULS munitions ordered by Denmark have also been delivered. The arrival of the first batch of ATMOS allows training to begin on one of the systems delivered.

A spokesperson for the Danish Ministry of Defence's (MoD's) Defence Acquisition and Logistics Organisation (DALO) told Janes in March that 19 ATMOS were scheduled to be delivered from the first to the fourth quarter of 2024 and eight PULSs from the second quarter of 2023 to the first quarter of 2024, with a full operating capability planned for 2025. In addition to a missile package, the PULS procurement includes command post and supply vehicles.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/weapons-headlines/latest/future-artillery-2024-danish-puls-mrl-deliveries-completed

Parera

#253
Het schijnt dat de Noren ook aan het kijken zijn naar een nieuw MLRS systeem. Er word voornamelijk bericht over HIMARS, maar hoe groot is de kans dat ze aansluiten bij NLD/DEN/DEU/SPA met de (EURO)Puls? Voor een budget van 130 tot 215 miljoen Euro.

Het is bekend dat Duitsland samen met Noorwegen werkt aan de integratie van de Naval Strike Missile in de Puls. Het lijkt mij voor de hand liggen dat ze dus ook zelf voor dit systeem zullen kiezen? De PULS kan 4 NSM's dragen per voertuig met een bereik van +/- 250 km.

In 2022 is er een MOU ondertekend door Noorwegen en Zuid-Korea voor de levering van K239 Chunmoo MLRS systemen maar tot op heden is er geen contract getekend.

Parera

The DGA has issued a call for tenders to find a successor to the armies' unitary rocket launchers (LRU).
Thales will join forces with Arianegroup to offer a long-range artillery solution to the team formed by Safran and MBDA.



https://twitter.com/pascalbtr/status/1789920114164306119

De Arianegroup gaat samenwerken met Thales voor de ontwikkeling van nieuwe Franse lange afstands munitie voor haar nieuwe MLRS. Arianegroup is bekend van de commerciële ruimte raketten maar produceert ook de Franse SLBM M51.

Ik ben benieuwd waar men mee komt en of dit eventueel ook in te passen gaat zijn in andere MLRS oplossingen zoals de HIMARS of PULS.

Daarnaast is de Franse MLRS keuze best interessant voor o.a. de Belgen als aanvulling op hun 24 Ceasar NG's. Dat is voldoende voor 2 batterijen howitzers, mooi om er 1 batterij MLRS aan toe te voegen op basis van hetzelfde voertuig.

Huzaar1

Snap echt geen fluit van die keuzes voor dit soort systemen. Counter battery fire
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion" US secmindef - Jed Babbin"