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Citaat van: Parera op 29/10/2018 | 11:21 uur
Ik zag dit bedrijf ook op Euronaval maar ik moet me toch af vragen waarom kunnen we niet een normale UAV ontwikkelen.
Het is nog maar een startup maar toch mis ik in Nederland altijd wel het idee om een grotere versie te hebben zoals de VSR-700 of MQ-9B.
Maar misschien komen er in de toekomst grotere versies uit, als ze dan maar die grasmaaier motor vervangen door een fatsoenlijke motor.

Waarom 1 bedrijf naast Delft Dynamics  in Nederland die elkaar gaan beconcurreren? Ik zou liever zien dat er een fatsoenlijke martieme UAV ontwikkeld wordt die een mooie export toekomst heeft.

Huzaar1

Gaat vanzelf naar VSTOL maar daar zijn motoren en accu's nog niet krachtig / licht genoeg voor.
Uiteindelijk willen we denk ik toch naar een soort HK  a la terminator series.
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion" US secmindef - Jed Babbin"

Parera

Citaat van: Harald op 29/10/2018 | 16:19 uur
Dat vind ik voor onze Marine alweer te groot, ik denk meer aan toestellen zoals AWHero, Schiebel S-100, SKELDAR V-200

AWHero
http://www.leonardocompany.com/documents/63265270/80923303/body_LEAFLET_AWHEROMilitary_Mk517.pdf

Misschien die MQ-8B Fire Scout nog wel, maar geen Jetranger UAV C-versie van de MQ-8

Het formaat AW hero is ook goed maar dit ding is naar mijn idee te klein. Natuurlijk is het een ontwikkeling en moet je klein beginnen maar ik ben bang dat we te ver achter lopen op dit gebied.
En we hebben als land makkelijk de capaciteit om dit soort systemen te ontwikkelen en er is markt voor. Die MQ-8C is ook niks als je het mij vraagt, te groot en totaal niet geschikt voor maritieme operaties naar mijn idee.

Eigenlijk moeten er naar mijn idee 3 verschillende formaten komen voor Maritime UAS's: S-100 formaat , AW-Hero en MQ-8B formaat en dan later een VTOL vorm zoals de V-22 werkt maar dan in kleine UAV vorm die vanaf normale heli dekken gebruikt kan worden.

Harald

Citaat van: Parera op 29/10/2018 | 11:21 uur
Ik zag dit bedrijf ook op Euronaval maar ik moet me toch af vragen waarom kunnen we niet een normale UAV ontwikkelen.
Het is nog maar een startup maar toch mis ik in Nederland altijd wel het idee om een grotere versie te hebben zoals de VSR-700 of MQ-9B.
Maar misschien komen er in de toekomst grotere versies uit, als ze dan maar die grasmaaier motor vervangen door een fatsoenlijke motor.

Dat vind ik voor onze Marine alweer te groot, ik denk meer aan toestellen zoals AWHero, Schiebel S-100, SKELDAR V-200

AWHero
http://www.leonardocompany.com/documents/63265270/80923303/body_LEAFLET_AWHEROMilitary_Mk517.pdf

Misschien die MQ-8B Fire Scout nog wel, maar geen Jetranger UAV C-versie van de MQ-8

Parera

Ik zag dit bedrijf ook op Euronaval maar ik moet me toch af vragen waarom kunnen we niet een normale UAV ontwikkelen.
Het is nog maar een startup maar toch mis ik in Nederland altijd wel het idee om een grotere versie te hebben zoals de VSR-700 of MQ-9B.
Maar misschien komen er in de toekomst grotere versies uit, als ze dan maar die grasmaaier motor vervangen door een fatsoenlijke motor.

Harald

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Euronaval 2018: High Eye from Netherlands displays maritime version of its HEF 32 unmanned helicopter


https://www.higheye.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/afmetingen-heli-render.png

At Euronaval 2018, the International Maritime and Naval Defense Exhibition in Paris (France), Netherlands-based Company High Eye displays maritime version of its HEF 32, a long range unmanned helicopter with a two-blade single rotor. High Eye successfully completed test flights on seagoing vessels in April 2018.

The HEF 32, a VTOL (vertical take-off and land) RPAS (Remotely Piloted Aircraft System) with an endurance of 4+ hours with a payload of 2 kg (max 5 kg) made between 40 and 50 take offs and landings on a small seagoing vessel to test the UAV for commercial and military maritime missions. The landing spot on board of the vessel was 3 meters by 4 meters. Even at a vessel speed of 15 knots the HEF 32 was able to land and take off from the vessel in different modes.

These tests flights were made on a very small seagoing vessel, specially chartered by High Eye, to develop procedures and gain experience for operations from vessels which are not equipped for helicopter operations. 'Although our men were completely soaked at the end of the day and the helicopter endured lots of sea water on and around it, the day was a complete success. If we manage to land on such a small and moving surface with these speeds and under these conditions, landing on a helicopter deck of a larger vessel will be easy. We are happy that High Eye proved that its HEF 32 long range VTOL UAV can be of great value for maritime operations worldwide', says Joost de Ruiter CEO and owner of High Eye.

'In the remainder of this year several maritime demo's and pilot flights for navies and coast guards in very different part of the world are planned. High Eye can demonstrate that its HEF 32 with its EMI shielding, IP-67 rating, anodized coating, multi-functional pay load bay, emergency flotation bags and Part 145 maintenance schedule is a safe, reliable and affordable option for maritime and off shore operations'.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/naval-exhibitions/2018/euronaval-2018/6645-euronaval-2018-high-eye-from-netherlands-displays-maritime-version-of-its-hef-32-unmanned-helicopter.html


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Euronaval 2018: The Dutch shipyard group is still interested in Miecznikiem and Czapla

During the international exhibition Euronaval 2018 in Paris, the Dutch shipbuilding group Damen confirmed that its proposal for the Polish Navy remains unchanged from 2016. For the Dutch there will also be no problem of a possible change of the program "Sword-corvette" to "Sword-frigate".

The Dutch explanations show that Damen still wants to participate in the program Miecznik and Czapla, and the proposal for cooperation is virtually the same as in 2016. The Dutch stress, however, that they do not know their time limits, and therefore the schedule of any work may change. At the same time, this change can only apply to the start and end dates of works, not their duration. These corrections when it comes to the number of months needed to build the ordered units can appear only when the Polish side will depart from the earlier specifications and request, for example, a different class of ship and will want to equip it with some special, little-known weapon system.

So far, in the Dutch Navy's starting offer there are six surface ships based on one project type SIGMA 10514, but with different uses (three of them are corvettes / light frigates, three are patrol ships with anti-mine function) and equipment ( The Dutch proposed two dedicated ship combat systems - but based on the same solution).

The choice of the SIGMA 10514 hull (107.14 m long and 14.02 m wide) is not a surprise, because for many foreign specialists, it is the most successful SIGMA series ship, becoming a "flagship" unit of the Damen shipbuilding group. This is confirmed by orders that have been, are and probably will be implemented in the last and next few years.



The fully completed program concerned the construction of two light frigates SIGMA 10514 (PKR) type Martadinata for the Navy of Indonesia. Damen's choice was important in this case, he confirmed the validity of the construction assumptions of the Dutch engineers. Indeed, Indonesia is a country that could independently check how the SIGMA watercraft offered by the Dutch are performing. In the years 2007-2008, four corvettes SIGMA 9113 (Diponegoro type) were put into service.

The re-ordering proves that Dutch ships perform well in Indonesian conditions and do not have major problems with them. The Dutch pay attention to the implementation of the second contract, which could also be adopted for the programs of Miecznik and Czapla. Both ships were built with great involvement of the Indonesian shipyards. In the case of the first SIGMA, two hull modules were created in the Netherlands, and four modules in the local Indonesian PT PAL shipyard in Sarabaya, where the whole was assembled and integrated. In the case of the second unit, only one module was built in the Netherlands, and the rest was carried out at the PT PAL shipyard in Indonesia.

The order of one frigate SIGMA 10514 (POLA-) for the Mexican Navy is currently being carried out in a similar manner. And there it was necessary to meet the specific requirements of Mexico related to m.in. with the need to install a large part of the American armament (MK56 vertical launch launcher for ESSM anti-aircraft missiles, RGM-84L anti-ship missiles Harpoon Block II, short-range anti-aircraft missile RAM Block II and light anti-submarine torpedoes MK 54 Mod). In addition, the "Indonesian" shipbuilding time was maintained (3.5 years) with the assumption that two sections of the hull will be built in the Netherlands, and four in the Salina Cruz shipyard in Mexico, where the whole has already been integrated, and is now being integrated and equipped.

Damen's specialists pointed to Euronaval 2018 that orders will certainly not end "only" on three ships SIGMA 10514. On the basis of this construction, an offer is also prepared for the Romanian navy, which wants to acquire four multifunction corvettes. Damen is the favorite in this case because it has a very well functioning shipyard in Romania - in Gałcz. It is thanks to the technical infrastructure built there that the first corvette under a possible contract (which is to be concluded by the end of 2018) would arise after three years from its signing. For this order, Thales, Boeing, Raytheon and General Dynamics are strategic partners for Damen.

Another program on which the Dutch count is a Brazilian order for four light frigates (Tamadare project). The strategic partner for Damen proposing the SIGMA 10514 unit is, however, to be the Swedish Saab industrial group. This demonstrates the flexibility of the Dutch, who are not in any way dependent on any particular partner and can meet most of the hardware requirements from potential customers.


CitaatThe shipbuilding group Damen together with the Swedish group Saab proposes the construction of submarines with diesel-electric drive, which are to replace the OP type Walrus currently used in the Dutch Navy; Fig. Maksymilian Dura

This flexibility is also visible in the range of ships that Damen can build and what he proposes in his portfolio. At Euronaval, four such ship programs that could be implemented at the DSNS (Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding) shipyard were indicated:

[Source: defence24.pl]

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#952
Thales heeft ook een product pagina opgezet op de website, geen verkeerde radar met 180 km bereik en ontwikkeld voor; MCM, OPV, FAC, LPD, Auxilliaries.

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/ns50




StrataNL

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Parera

Citaat van: StrataNL op 23/10/2018 | 11:43 uur
Logische zet, hier is wel een markt voor (AMBV's?....)

Die Mirador was 20 jaar geleden ook z'n tijd ver vooruit, komen we nu nog steeds erg vaak tegen....klein goudmijntje voor Thales?

Citaat van: Harald op 23/10/2018 | 11:49 uur
Zou deze NS50 nog iets voor de CSS ?

Het zou een mooie radar kunnen zijn voor zowel de AMBV's als het CSS, daarmee gelijk een mooie order van 13 en daarnaast nog onderdelen misschien nog 1 trainings radar voor op de wal dan komen we uit op 15 splinternieuwe radars!

Harald

Zou deze NS50 nog iets voor de CSS ?

StrataNL

Logische zet, hier is wel een markt voor (AMBV's?....)

Die Mirador was 20 jaar geleden ook z'n tijd ver vooruit, komen we nu nog steeds erg vaak tegen....klein goudmijntje voor Thales?
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Euronaval 2018: Thales pitches NS50 dual-axis multibeam radar to small warship, support vessel market



Thales has announced the launch of a new dual-axis multibeam active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar designed to provide surveillance and target indication for small warships, offshore patrol vessels, and amphibious/afloat support shipping.

The new rotating single-face X-band system, designated 'NS50', is the latest addition to Thales' family of 4D AESA radars (the company uses the term '4D' to characterise radars able to provide Doppler measurement as well as bearing, range, and elevation information). Sharing significant commonality with the NS100 and NS200 S-band air surveillance radars in terms of software and architecture, NS50 is being positioned to replace the Variant radar in the company's product line-up.

Smaller warships and amphibious/auxiliary vessels have typically been fitted with 2D radars limited to providing range and bearing information only. This necessarily limits the quality of air/surface detection, tracking, and classification performance provided to the host ship.

"We are launching NS50 to address this market, and provide small ships and support vessels with the benefits of a true 4D AESA multifunction radar," Serge Adrian, Thales' vice president for surface radar, told Jane's . "So NS50 will bring similar performance benefits as our other 4D AESA radars, albeit with a lower range."

He continued, "The new 4D technology we provide increases dwell time on target and gives our users access to a level of information that wasn't accessible before. Furthermore, our 4D technology provides a combination of surveillance and weapon support functionality."

The decision to select an operating frequency in X-band was driven by a number of factors, according to Hugo Anbeek, NS50 product manager. "We looked at several solutions, including a scaled down [S-band] NS100," he said. "However, when we looked at the main platform types we identified that their two most important tasks were air surveillance and surface surveillance. And whereas NS100 and NS200 are optimised for air surveillance, there are several advantages to the use of X-band in the surface mode.

[Source: Janes ]

En nog een ander beeld via Shepard Media


Parera

Citaat van: StrataNL op 22/10/2018 | 16:47 uur
Hoezo? Dit is gewoon een composiet radome waar een radar in staat. Deze heeft Thales ook voor de NS-100 familie, o.a. geleverd aan Singapore.





Ik kende het alleen van Saab,ik ging er in het begin ook vanuit dat een samenwerking werd met Saab. Note to myself:  Eerst het artikel lezen en daarna pas oorden  :angel:

StrataNL

Citaat van: Parera op 22/10/2018 | 13:04 uur
Vreemd genoeg is de kop van de mast een ding van Saab maar in het artikel staat vermeld dat het samen met Thales Nederland werkt voor dit aanbod.
Hoezo? Dit is gewoon een composiet radome waar een radar in staat. Deze heeft Thales ook voor de NS-100 familie, o.a. geleverd aan Singapore.



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