Nederlandse defensie industrie

Gestart door jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter), 17/09/2012 | 14:46 uur

Flyguy

#284
Alle auxiliaries vervangen door 1 klasse is een prima idee voor een krijgsmacht met poen. Echter in het geval van Nederland voorzie ik dat men 6 (of minder) van deze maxflexcando bootjes aanschaft om de taken uit te voeren van 10 (een minimaal rendabel getal voor een adequate mijnendienst) mijnenjagers, 2 HOV's, 1 torpedowerkschip en 4 duikvaartuigen. Je kan niet al MCM'end een sub bevoorraden terwijl je ook nog eens hydrografische verkenningen moet uitvoeren.

Kortom, overal een gebrek aan capaciteiten.

Aan de andere kant, schaf je 13 van dezelfde badkuipen aan waar je vervolgens overal hetzelfde hokje op zet plus ruimte voor een taak-specifiek hokje en deel je ze met een vaste taak in, dan wil het nog wel werken. Maar goed, die vlieger gaat niet op. Dit is Nederland en dat zou logisch zijn.

ridivek

#283
Hehe Damen heeft de logische stap gemaakt om militaire afgeleiden te maken van de Utility Vessels. Perfect als vervanging van de Mijnenjagers, en de Merkuur. Deze range is redelijk uit te zenden (inzet Europa).

Als vervanging van de duikvaartuigen lijkt mij afgeleiden van de Damen Utility Vessel 2711; 2411 een goede uitgangspunt.  Bij een gebruiksduur van 30jaar zijn deze tussen 2020 en 2025 aan vervanging toe.
Daarnaast de duiktteams nog uitrusten met Vrachtwagen+Recompresie container+RHIB, en ze hebben mooi materieel om snel in Nederland ingezet te worden.

Het lijkt mij ook verstandig om de Holland klasse met een multi-mission stern uit te rusten, even als Pelicaan (Helidek+Sternramp & stern ROV deuren. Het heeft geen haast bij een mid-live upgrade is dat prima te combineren.

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

Citaat van: Elzenga op 08/06/2016 | 15:41 uur
Ik zie het pas net...maar dit gaat zeker in de richting waar ik ook op doel in mijn planvoorstel :big-smile:
Het wordt weer tijd voor een update!
Al is het wel de vraag of de Fransen hierin mee gaan bij de vervanger van hun mijnenjagers. Al zit een Franse werf erg op dezelfde lijn als Damen...die de Belgische patrouilleschepen. Dus wie weet..

Het is nog van de plank ook (met ongetwijfeld wat DMO aanpassingen), maar toch!

Elzenga

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Citaat van: Thomasen op 08/06/2016 | 14:33 uur
Neem aan dat de MRAV inmiddels door Elzenga is opgenomen in zijn planvoorstellen.

Denk dat NL er ook wel wat mee gaat doen, we hebben immers te weinig geld om alle Aux te vervangen.
Ik zie het pas net...maar dit gaat zeker in de richting waar ik ook op doel in mijn planvoorstel :big-smile:
Het wordt weer tijd voor een update!
Al is het wel de vraag of de Fransen hierin mee gaan bij de vervanger van hun mijnenjagers. Al zit een Franse werf erg op dezelfde lijn als Damen...die de Belgische patrouilleschepen bouwde. Dus wie weet..

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

Citaat van: StrataNL op 08/06/2016 | 15:14 uur
Kan niet anders dan dat Damen hiermee de vervanging van MCM's, Mercuur en de HOV's op het oog heeft.

Zou maar zo een prima basis kunnen zijn.

StrataNL

Kan niet anders dan dat Damen hiermee de vervanging van MCM's, Mercuur en de HOV's op het oog heeft.
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Harald

Damen Naval Multi-Role Auxiliary Vessel, zeker interessant ook voor de vervanging van de Alkmaar klasse voor mijn gevoel. Alleen zou er dan nog een tussenvorm rond de 1000/1100 ton moeten komen, voor mijn gevoel.
De huidige Alkmaar klasse heeft een tonnage van ca. 600 met lengte rond de 52 meter.

De kleinste MRAV (660 ton, 43 meter, diepgang 1,9 meter) zou vooral door de geringe diepgang niet geschikt zijn voor mijnenbestrijding langs de kust en op zee.   

dudge

Citaat van: Harald op 08/06/2016 | 14:26 uur
Damen Announces New Range of Naval Multi-Role Auxiliary Vessels




LONDON --- During the Oceanographic Survey Vessel Conference in London, Damen Shipyards Group announced the introduction of a new range of Multi-Role Auxiliary Vessels (MRAV). The common theme running through the series is the provision of a basic platform offering reliable and cost-effective multi-role potential and hydrographic survey capabilities to naval clients.

With the addition of supplementary modular mission equipment, this new family of Damen vessels can be mobilised in numerous, mainly littoral, naval tasks such as: explosive ordnance clearance and disposal, diving operations, torpedo recovery and overhaul, ROV and UAV deployment, SAR, coastal infantry and submarine support.

The largest version of the range will be able to operate worldwide, on the ocean as well as in littoral waters. This ship has additional capabilities such as disaster and humanitarian relief, oceanography and naval training support.

The introduction of flexible concepts which allow as many functions as possible to be included into a range of smaller vessels without reducing the effectiveness and capacity of the fleet while maintaining the benefits of modularity; this is Damen's ambition with this new family of vessels.

"To this end, plug-and-play containerised kit for many support tasks contribute considerable adaptability to a particular mission," explains Damen Shipyards Gorinchem's Principal Naval Advisor Jan van der Burg, a retired Vice Admiral of the Royal Netherlands Navy.

One platform – multiple tasks

"The idea behind these vessels is to create a basic platform that can assist in a variety of tasks through the selection of the required mission configuration, e.g. coastal transport, submarine support or coastal infantry operations. The stimulus to switch from the traditional one-to-one replacement is to lower the total cost of ownership without losing capability and capacity."

The new range of vessels consists of three different designs: the MRAV 660, MRAV 1600 and MRAV 3600. Designed for different geographic profiles, these vessels are respectively 43, 62 and 85 metres long. Hydrographic capabilities, to map the seabed for safe navigation and as a preparatory action for military operations in particular, are indispensable to navies worldwide. Depending on a naval client's specific requirements, any type of hydrographic equipment can be integrated into these three vessels.

-- Minimal draught
With a draught of 1.9 metres, the MRAV 660 is suited for very shallow coastal, riverine and inland water operations. In addition to shallow water hydrographic surveys, this vessel is capable of a comprehensive array of duties such as diving operations, EOCD support, ROV and UAV deployment, with a core crew of 8 and capacity for an additional 15 specialists.

"Damen has built up a lot of knowledge on shallow draught ship design – this is the reason we strived towards a shallow draught hull for the MRAV 660 with full confidence. The expertise of our Research Department, combined with input from our Workboats Product Group contributed to a design based upon tested design solutions," notes Damen Design and Proposal Engineer Tim Viveen.

"The key points are to maximise displacement, minimise resistance and optimise seakeeping characteristics for the area in which the ship will operate. The MRAV 660 has design characteristics that help achieve this: an aluminium superstructure and reduced freeboard section cut down on weight. And tunnel ducts on the underside of the hull ensure enough water reaches the propellers."

-- Additional roles
The MRAV 1600 is designed for littoral and regional offshore operations. Its larger size allows for greater endurance and carrying capacity of both crew, mission modules and cargo. The vessel will be manned by a core crew of 13, with capacity for an additional 30 mission specialists. The main deck can hold six standard 20-foot mission containers and the below-deck cargo hold can store two 20-foot containers and palletised cargo.

This medium-sized vessel can take on similar hydrographic and auxiliary duties to its smaller sister vessel, with the addition of torpedo recovery and overhaul tasks in support of submarines and anti-submarine warfare units. Small scale coastal transport and infantry support is also possible.

-- Global coverage
Intended for worldwide service, the capacity of the largest vessel in the range – the MRAV 3600 – allows for more than one specific mission during a deployment. Capable of hydrographic operations both in littoral and deeper waters, this vessel also has a helideck and substantial storage capacity for other mission configurations, equipment and cargo. Furthermore, the MRAV 3600 can serve as a base for more extensive operations such as disaster and humanitarian relief. There is accommodation for 14 core and 45 additional mission crew and enough space on board to provide emergency hospital services for 50 to 60 people.

-- Advantages of modularity
One of Damen's key aims with this new range of vessels is to reduce the pressure on a navy's human and financial resources. The modularity of the mission modules also plays a major part in reducing this pressure: "We achieved this by combining the capabilities of specialised ships into one ship by using these add-on equipment modules – these can be fitted inside standard 10-, 20- or 40-foot containers or have the footprint of a standard container," states Damen Design and Proposal Manager Piet van Rooij. "When operating multiple ships of the same family and design, the efficiency of training, crew exchangeability and maintenance programmes are improved."

-- Cost results
A modular platform is inherently flexible: this allows naval clients to better react to changes in the mission environment. Modularity also has implications on the total cost of ownership: the lifetime of an individual vessel can be efficiently extended by upgrading capabilities with new equipment modules that are not integrated into the original design.

Financial advantages are to be found in the fact that the MRAV range is commercially built and also uses commercially available components. This is made possible because of the vessels' non-combatant role. Mr Van Rooij: "Using commercial off-the-shelf equipment reduces the total cost of ownership without reducing the quality of the equipment."

-- Complementary design
The ship design itself has a proven background: "Damen has built many ships similar to the MRAV range for the offshore industry. This means that there will not be any unwanted surprises for the first customer of this new range."

Damen has a rich naval shipbuilding heritage; one that goes back more than a century. The new Multi Role Auxiliary Vessel range serves to expand the company's naval portfolio that includes larger vessels such as frigates, corvettes, LPDs, AORs and OPVs.

"These new MRAV designs are complementary to the range of ships that Damen already offers for the defence and security markets," concludes Mr Van Rooij. "We are currently at the stage of finalised conceptual design. Considering the next step, being more detailed engineering while taking advantage of COTS equipment and tested designs, we are confident that the actual construction can be swiftly accomplished, with excellent quality and reliability."

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/174507/damen-unveils-new-range-of-naval-multi_role-auxiliary-vessels.html

Neem aan dat de MRAV inmiddels door Elzenga is opgenomen in zijn planvoorstellen.

Denk dat NL er ook wel wat mee gaat doen, we hebben immers te weinig geld om alle Aux te vervangen.

Harald

Damen announces new range of Naval Multi-Role Auxiliary Vessels

http://www.damen.com/en/news/2016/06/damen_announces_new_range_of_naval_multi_role_auxiliary_vessels

Naval Multi-Role Auxiliary Vessel  (3 type schepen, 660, 1600, 3600 ton )
http://products.damen.com/en/ranges/multi-role-auxiliary-vessel

Interessante nieuwe lijn van ondersteuningsschepen

Harald

Damen Announces New Range of Naval Multi-Role Auxiliary Vessels




LONDON --- During the Oceanographic Survey Vessel Conference in London, Damen Shipyards Group announced the introduction of a new range of Multi-Role Auxiliary Vessels (MRAV). The common theme running through the series is the provision of a basic platform offering reliable and cost-effective multi-role potential and hydrographic survey capabilities to naval clients.

With the addition of supplementary modular mission equipment, this new family of Damen vessels can be mobilised in numerous, mainly littoral, naval tasks such as: explosive ordnance clearance and disposal, diving operations, torpedo recovery and overhaul, ROV and UAV deployment, SAR, coastal infantry and submarine support.

The largest version of the range will be able to operate worldwide, on the ocean as well as in littoral waters. This ship has additional capabilities such as disaster and humanitarian relief, oceanography and naval training support.

The introduction of flexible concepts which allow as many functions as possible to be included into a range of smaller vessels without reducing the effectiveness and capacity of the fleet while maintaining the benefits of modularity; this is Damen's ambition with this new family of vessels.

"To this end, plug-and-play containerised kit for many support tasks contribute considerable adaptability to a particular mission," explains Damen Shipyards Gorinchem's Principal Naval Advisor Jan van der Burg, a retired Vice Admiral of the Royal Netherlands Navy.

One platform – multiple tasks

"The idea behind these vessels is to create a basic platform that can assist in a variety of tasks through the selection of the required mission configuration, e.g. coastal transport, submarine support or coastal infantry operations. The stimulus to switch from the traditional one-to-one replacement is to lower the total cost of ownership without losing capability and capacity."

The new range of vessels consists of three different designs: the MRAV 660, MRAV 1600 and MRAV 3600. Designed for different geographic profiles, these vessels are respectively 43, 62 and 85 metres long. Hydrographic capabilities, to map the seabed for safe navigation and as a preparatory action for military operations in particular, are indispensable to navies worldwide. Depending on a naval client's specific requirements, any type of hydrographic equipment can be integrated into these three vessels.

-- Minimal draught
With a draught of 1.9 metres, the MRAV 660 is suited for very shallow coastal, riverine and inland water operations. In addition to shallow water hydrographic surveys, this vessel is capable of a comprehensive array of duties such as diving operations, EOCD support, ROV and UAV deployment, with a core crew of 8 and capacity for an additional 15 specialists.

"Damen has built up a lot of knowledge on shallow draught ship design – this is the reason we strived towards a shallow draught hull for the MRAV 660 with full confidence. The expertise of our Research Department, combined with input from our Workboats Product Group contributed to a design based upon tested design solutions," notes Damen Design and Proposal Engineer Tim Viveen.

"The key points are to maximise displacement, minimise resistance and optimise seakeeping characteristics for the area in which the ship will operate. The MRAV 660 has design characteristics that help achieve this: an aluminium superstructure and reduced freeboard section cut down on weight. And tunnel ducts on the underside of the hull ensure enough water reaches the propellers."

-- Additional roles
The MRAV 1600 is designed for littoral and regional offshore operations. Its larger size allows for greater endurance and carrying capacity of both crew, mission modules and cargo. The vessel will be manned by a core crew of 13, with capacity for an additional 30 mission specialists. The main deck can hold six standard 20-foot mission containers and the below-deck cargo hold can store two 20-foot containers and palletised cargo.

This medium-sized vessel can take on similar hydrographic and auxiliary duties to its smaller sister vessel, with the addition of torpedo recovery and overhaul tasks in support of submarines and anti-submarine warfare units. Small scale coastal transport and infantry support is also possible.

-- Global coverage
Intended for worldwide service, the capacity of the largest vessel in the range – the MRAV 3600 – allows for more than one specific mission during a deployment. Capable of hydrographic operations both in littoral and deeper waters, this vessel also has a helideck and substantial storage capacity for other mission configurations, equipment and cargo. Furthermore, the MRAV 3600 can serve as a base for more extensive operations such as disaster and humanitarian relief. There is accommodation for 14 core and 45 additional mission crew and enough space on board to provide emergency hospital services for 50 to 60 people.

-- Advantages of modularity
One of Damen's key aims with this new range of vessels is to reduce the pressure on a navy's human and financial resources. The modularity of the mission modules also plays a major part in reducing this pressure: "We achieved this by combining the capabilities of specialised ships into one ship by using these add-on equipment modules – these can be fitted inside standard 10-, 20- or 40-foot containers or have the footprint of a standard container," states Damen Design and Proposal Manager Piet van Rooij. "When operating multiple ships of the same family and design, the efficiency of training, crew exchangeability and maintenance programmes are improved."

-- Cost results
A modular platform is inherently flexible: this allows naval clients to better react to changes in the mission environment. Modularity also has implications on the total cost of ownership: the lifetime of an individual vessel can be efficiently extended by upgrading capabilities with new equipment modules that are not integrated into the original design.

Financial advantages are to be found in the fact that the MRAV range is commercially built and also uses commercially available components. This is made possible because of the vessels' non-combatant role. Mr Van Rooij: "Using commercial off-the-shelf equipment reduces the total cost of ownership without reducing the quality of the equipment."

-- Complementary design
The ship design itself has a proven background: "Damen has built many ships similar to the MRAV range for the offshore industry. This means that there will not be any unwanted surprises for the first customer of this new range."

Damen has a rich naval shipbuilding heritage; one that goes back more than a century. The new Multi Role Auxiliary Vessel range serves to expand the company's naval portfolio that includes larger vessels such as frigates, corvettes, LPDs, AORs and OPVs.

"These new MRAV designs are complementary to the range of ships that Damen already offers for the defence and security markets," concludes Mr Van Rooij. "We are currently at the stage of finalised conceptual design. Considering the next step, being more detailed engineering while taking advantage of COTS equipment and tested designs, we are confident that the actual construction can be swiftly accomplished, with excellent quality and reliability."

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/174507/damen-unveils-new-range-of-naval-multi_role-auxiliary-vessels.html

StrataNL

Thales Nederland biedt de APAR block 2 aan Canada voor hun nieuwe fregatten, zou een mooie order zijn en tevens mooie voorzet voor de radars van de V-MMF:
De gallium arsenide transmit/receive modules (TRMs) zijn vervangen door gallium nitride (GaN) exemplaren.

http://www.janes.com/article/60639/phased-array-radar-scans-canadian-surface-combatant-cansec2016d1
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Harald

Niet geheel on-topic omdat het hier niet gaat over een marine schip, maar geeft wel aan dat Damen ook op het gebied van ijsbrekers meedoet in de scheepsbouw. Dus Damen beschikt ook  over kennis voor de ontwikkeling en bouw van een Marine schepen geschikt voor de Artic.

Damen Building Australian Icebreaker

Antarctic Supply and Research Vessel to support Australian Antarctic research     May 11, 2016



The Australian government and DMS Maritime signed a contract April 28, 2016, at a ceremony in Hobart, Tasmania, for the delivery, operation, and maintenance of an Antarctic Supply Research Vessel (ASRV) with ice breaking capabilities, according to a Damen Shipyards Group release. DMS Maritime is a wholly owned subsidiary of Serco. Damen Shipyards Group will build the vessel, intended to become an integral part of the Australian Antarctic Division (AAD) program in the coming years.

"Damen is a leading international shipyards group with a strong international presence," Serco CEO Asia Pacific Mark Irwin said in explaining the decision to subcontract the building of the ship to Damen Shipyards. "As well as building a broad portfolio of standardized vessels in series, Damen has produced a range of bespoke vessels including scientific, hydrographic, naval and ice ships. Damen and Serco have a strong partnership, and over the last ten years, Damen has supplied over 40 vessels used by Serco to support naval operations in the UK and Australia."

Denmark-based KNUD E. HANSEN executed the concept and tender designs, engineering, and project management is being delivered by Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding (DSNS) in Vlissingen, the Netherlands, and construction and outfitting of the vessel will be carried out at Damen Shipyards Galati, Romania.

"Drawing on the diverse skills found across our organization, we are able to connect up all the dots in order to deliver a cohesive, full scope project execution," said Damen Sales Director Asia Pacific Roland Briene. "An icebreaking research and supply vessel such as this represents a new market entry for Damen, and we are very pleased to be working with AAD and DMS on this exciting project."

The ASRV will be 156 meters long, with a beam of 25.6 meters, and will be capable of breaking ice up to 1.65 meters thick at 3 knots, and will supply Australia's permanent research stations in Antarctica and Macquarie Island with cargo, equipment, and personnel. The vessel will also serve to conduct research activities, with 500 square meters of onboard laboratory and office facilities. Up to 32 DMS Maritime crew and as many as 116 AAD scientific personnel, as well as a doctor, can be accommodated aboard.

After completion at Damen's yard in Galati, the ASRV will sail to DSNS in the Netherlands for an April 2020 handover to the client.

http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/australian-icebreaker/

Ace1

Citaat van: ridivek op 16/05/2016 | 00:10 uur
In het jaarplan kustwacht Caribisch gebied 2016 staat dat de 10 super Rhibs vervangen gaan worden door 12 Metal Shark Defiant 38. Deze worden via US Foreign Millitary Sales verworven bij de US Coast Guard.
Bij het bekijken van de website van MetalShark viel mij op dat zij de Damen StanPatrol range aanbieden in Amerika. Deze schepen worden in Louisiana gemaakt.

Zeker nog nooit gehoord van onder een licentiebouwen?

StrataNL

Citaat van: ridivek op 16/05/2016 | 00:10 uur
In het jaarplan kustwacht Caribisch gebied 2016 staat dat de 10 super Rhibs vervangen gaan worden door 12 Metal Shark Defiant 38. Deze worden via US Foreign Millitary Sales verworven bij de US Coast Guard.
Bij het bekijken van de website van MetalShark viel mij op dat zij de Damen StanPatrol range aanbieden in Amerika. Deze schepen worden in Louisiana gemaakt.

Sentinel class. "Made in America".
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ridivek

In het jaarplan kustwacht Caribisch gebied 2016 staat dat de 10 super Rhibs vervangen gaan worden door 12 Metal Shark Defiant 38. Deze worden via US Foreign Millitary Sales verworven bij de US Coast Guard.
Bij het bekijken van de website van MetalShark viel mij op dat zij de Damen StanPatrol range aanbieden in Amerika. Deze schepen worden in Louisiana gemaakt.