Duitsland kiest voor raketafweerschild, zullen andere landen deelnemen ?

Gestart door Harald, 01/09/2022 | 13:21 uur

Harald

Germany may approve purchase of Israel's Arrow 3 next week ? sources

US's recent approval is necessary, but the deal was not finalized.

Germany may approve purchasing Israel?s Arrow 3 missile defense system as early as next week, the Jerusalem Post has learned.

Over the weekend, it was reported, and the Post has confirmed, that the US approved the sale, one of several preconditions for the sale to go through, but not the final step.

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https://www.jpost.com/international/article-733501

Harald

CitaatDie European Sky Shield Initiative #ESSI w?chst um zwei neue Mitglieder auf insgesamt 17 an. Deutschland begr??t den Beitritt von #D?nemark und #Schweden zur St?rkung der gemeinsamen Luftverteidigung. Mehr Mitglieder, mehr Sicherheit, weniger Kosten! #NATO



https://twitter.com/BMVg_Bundeswehr/status/1625796128498229249/photo/1

Harald

Germany to invest ?17 billion to strengthen its air defense capabilities including 8 IRIS-T

Germany plans to invest ?17 billion to strengthen its air defense capabilities with a new multi-layered anti-missile shield including German IRIS-T, Israeli Arrow 3, and American PATRIOT air defense missile system. Currently, the German government negotiates with the company Diehl Defence to procure eight IRIS-T anti-missile systems.



Germany will invest to ?2-3 billion to acquire the german-made IRIS-T as well as 4? billion for the acquisition of Arrow 3 manufactured by the Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI), and around ?10 billion for the American Patriot air defense missile system.

German Ministry of Defense has launched the LVS NNbS program that will bridge a current capability gap when it comes to protecting ground troops during deployed operations as well as securing tactical operation centers and other assets against short- and very short-range aerial threats.

According to the German Government, the LVS project is to replace the Patriot air defense system for medium and long ranges by 2031 and expand its capabilities. Currently, the German army has twelve ground-based Patriot air defense missile systems. In addition, the LVS NNbS will also replace the Mantis weapon system and the Ozelot light air defense system and expand their capabilities. The German armed forces currently had two Mantis systems and two Ozelot platoons.

Rheinmetall Electronics of Bremen, Diehl Defence of ?berlingen and Hensoldt Sensors announced recently that they had signed a joint agreement to co-operate in a special partnership known as an ?Arbeitsgemeinschaft?, or ARGE, which will submit a tender to provide a national, low-risk air-defense solution that features proven systems and subsystems, including integration of components already in use by the German military.

Citing information from the American-based television network Bloomberg, Germany will invest to ?2-3 billion to acquire the german-made IRIS-T as well as 4? billion for the acquisition of Arrow 3 manufactured by the Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI), and around ?10 billion for the American Patriot air defense missile system.

The IRIS-T (Infra-Red Imaging System Tail/Thrust Vector Controlled) is a short-range air-to-air missile developed by a consortium of German, Italian, and Norwegian companies for use by the armed forces of Germany, Italy, Norway, and others. The IRIS-T is capable of engaging aerial targets at ranges of up to 75 km and at altitudes up to 24,000 m and features advanced seeker technology, thrust vector control, and a high-performance motor.


Launcher unit of German-made IRIS-T air defense missile system.

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https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_february_2023_global_security_army_industry/germany_to_invest_%E2%82%AC17_billion_to_strengthen_its_air_defense_capabilities_including_8_iris-t.html

Harald

Israel pushes US to sell Arrow-3 air defense missile system to Germany

According to information published by "The Jerusalem Post" on December 6, 2020, Israel pushes the United States to give the green light for the sale of Arrow-3 air defense missile systems to Germany.

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https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_december_2022_global_security_army_industry/israel_pushes_us_to_sale_arrow-3_air_defense_missile_system_to_germany.html

Zander

@Poleme
Effectiviteit is de sleutel. Zo zie ik dat voor de hele krijgsmacht. Alles zo veel als mogelijk standaardiseren en uitwisselbaar maken.
Daarom snap ik ook de hele overgang van 13 Mechbrig naar wielen totaal niet.
2 mechbrigs zijn veel (kosten) effectiever dan nu met CV90 en de Boxer.
Repareer dat en bouw alles rondom de zelfde platforms. Of CV90 of Boxer.
People are sheep

Poleme

Citaat van: Parera op 03/11/2022 | 17:08 uur
De eerste optie is dus: IRIS-T SLM batterijen of (extra) Patriot batterijen aankopen.
Voor ons zou beide geen probleem zijn, want de Patriot hebben we uiteraard al volop in dienst, en de IRIS-T past in de NASAMS launchers die we al hebben.
Prio 1 in onze grond-gebonden luchtverdediging is bescherming van ons nationale grondgebied.  Tegen voornamelijk kruisvluchtwapens en tactische ballistische raketten.
We moeten ook financiele keuzes maken, er is een personeel schaarste, en een veel te kort schietende logistiek.

Dus laten we deze capabiliteiten en capaciteiten zoveel mogelijk invullen met systemen die we vanuit operationele, financiele en logistieke oogpunt al goed kennen.
Bescherming van 90 % van ons grondgebied kunnen wij al bereiken door het aantal operationeel inzetbare aantal Patriot systemen uit te breiden naar zes stuks.
De IRIS-T zal best in de NASAMS launcher passen, maar dat doet bijvoorbeeld de Zuid-Afrikaanse Umkhonto ook.  Maar beiden kennen en hebben we niet.
NASAMS werkt nu met het AIM-120B.  Die hebben wij al in ons arsenaal.  Wordt opgevolgd door het AIM-120C-7, welke ook inmiddels is aangekocht door NL.

De logistiek moet weer net zo georganiseerd worden als tijdens de Koude Oorlog.  Dus efficiency niet langer op prio 1, maar juist effectiviteit.  Want de inzetbaarheid en reactie snelheid zijn nu veel te laag.  Van het Defensie Grondgebonden Luchtverdediging Commando werd voor 2011 nog verwacht dat ze na 5 dagen paraat waren.
Na 2011 is die eis verlaagt naar maar liefst 30 dagen.  En dat in een onvoorspelbare wereld.
Nulla tenaci invia est via - Voor de doorzetter is geen weg onbegaanbaar.

Parera

De eerste optie is dus: IRIS-T SLM batterijen of (extra) Patriot batterijen aankopen.

Voor ons zou beide geen probleem zijn, want de Patriot hebben we uiteraard al volop in dienst, en de IRIS-T past in de NASAMS launchers die we al hebben.

Harald

European Sky Shield ? die Initiative im ?berblick

https://www.bmvg.de/de/aktuelles/european-sky-shield-die-initiative-im-ueberblick-5511066

Artikel vertaald via Google Translate

Met het European Sky Shield Initiative slaan momenteel 15 Europese landen de handen ineen om hun gezamenlijke luchtverdediging te versterken. Om snel resultaat te boeken, worden de eerste concrete maatregelen al voorbereid. Wat dit zijn, wie er bij betrokken zijn en welke voordelen zich voordoen voor alle deelnemende landen wordt hieronder beantwoord.

Waarom is er het European Sky Shield Initiative?
De Russische agressieoorlog tegen Oekra?ne heeft het belang onderstreept van een uitgebreide defensiecapaciteit tegen het volledige spectrum van militaire dreigingen. Rusland maakt op grote schaal gebruik van onbemande systemen, ballistische raketten, kruisraketten en hypersonische raketten in Oekra?ne. Dit laat zien hoe belangrijk een effici?nte luchtverdediging is om toekomstige dreigingen het hoofd te kunnen bieden.

Met het European Sky Shield Initiative - kortweg ESSI European Sky Shield Initiative - willen de Europese NAVO-landen zich beter wapenen tegen aanvallen van projectielen, raketten of vliegtuigen. Het doel van het initiatief is dan ook om de Europese pijler in de gezamenlijke luchtverdediging van de NAVO te versterken.

Om dit te doen, moeten bestaande vaardigheden worden uitgebreid en bestaande lacunes in vaardigheden worden gedicht. Om dit zo snel en effici?nt mogelijk te realiseren, hebben tot nu toe 15 landen de handen ineen geslagen. Ze willen samen de relevante systemen aanschaffen, gebruiken en onderhouden.

Wie is betrokken?
15 landen ondertekenden de overeenkomst voor het European Sky Shield Initiative op 13 oktober 2022 op het NAVO-hoofdkwartier in Brussel. Naast Duitsland zijn dit: Belgi?, Bulgarije, Estland, Finland, Groot-Brittanni?, Letland, Litouwen, Nederland, Noorwegen, Roemeni?, Slowakije, Sloveni?, Tsjechi? en Hongarije. Het initiatief staat ook open voor andere ge?nteresseerde staten.

Hoe kunnen het ESSI European Sky Shield Initiative en de NAVO met elkaar worden verzoend?
De Europese pijler in de NAVO wordt versterkt met het ESSI European Sky Shield Initiative. Het is bedoeld om de uitgebreide of nieuw gecre?erde vermogens van het gezamenlijke inkoopinitiatief te integreren in de luchtverdediging van het NAVO-gebied onder leiding van de opperbevelhebber van de NAVO voor Europa.

Wat betekent luchtverdediging?
Luchtverdediging betekent het vermogen om zich tegen aanvallen vanuit de lucht te beschermen of af te weren - bijvoorbeeld met raketten, kanonnen of lasers. Er zijn verschillende militaire systemen met verschillende reikwijdtes die complementair worden gebruikt, d.w.z. om elkaar aan te vullen. In militaire termen worden hier onderscheppingslagen gebruikt, dat wil zeggen verschillende afstanden en hoogtes waarop de gebruikte systemen kunnen inwerken.

Wat zijn interceptieverschuivingen?
Onderscheppingslagen zijn de verschillende afstanden in breedte en hoogte waarop vliegtuigen en soortgelijke dreigingen kunnen worden afgeweerd, d.w.z. onderschept. Hier worden drie gebieden gedefinieerd:

Kort bereik: tot 15 kilometer breed, tot zes kilometer hoog
Gemiddeld bereik: 15 tot 50 kilometer bereik en tot maximaal 25 kilometer hoogte
Groot bereik: meer dan 50 kilometer bereik en tot 35 kilometer hoogte

Op alle drie de gebieden zijn er capaciteitslacunes die het ESSI European Sky Shield-initiatief wil dichten, of capaciteiten die al bestaan ​​maar moeten worden uitgebreid of versterkt.

Wat zijn de vaardigheidskloven?
Er bestaan ​​lacunes in de capaciteit en behoefte aan capaciteit op korte tot middellange afstand voor mogelijke luchtaanvallen op korte afstand, inclusief dreigingen van drones. Bestaande luchtverdedigingssystemen moeten in deze nabije en directe omgeving worden vervangen.

Momenteel worden hier de systemen Ozelot en MANTIS (Modular, Automatic and Network Capable Targeting and Interception System) gebruikt. Onder andere het IRIS-T SLMInfra Red Imaging System Tail Surface Launched Medium Range zal daar in de toekomst effectief zijn. Bij luchtverdediging op lange afstand beschikt de Bundeswehr al over de krachtige Patriot Phased Array Tracking Radar om het wapensysteem Target te onderscheppen. De mogelijkheid om dit te handhaven is bedoeld tot ver na 2030, en systeemmodernisering maakt ook deel uit van het ESSI European Sky Shield Initiative.

Een gat is in de verdediging tegen ballistische langeafstandsraketten. Dit moet snel worden gesloten, vooral omdat Rusland deze wapens al heeft. Duitsland moet zich sneller kunnen beschermen tegen de dreiging van raketten met een bereik van meer dan 1.000 kilometer dan eerder gepland. Hiertoe worden verschillende opties onderzocht, waaronder het Isra?lische Arrow 3-systeem.

Een verdediging tegen kruisraketten, inclusief hypersonische raketten, is vanwege de lage vlieghoogte en dus een zeer late detectie alleen in de zin van het beschermen van individuele objecten, hier bijvoorbeeld met het systeem Patriot Phased Array Tracking Radar to Intercept on Target of IRIS-T SLMInfra Red Imaging System Tail Surface gelanceerd Medium bereik mogelijk. Een uitgebreide bescherming in het gebied is enorm duur en alleen mogelijk met een verscheidenheid aan systemen en illustreert de noodzaak van een multinationale aanpak.

Hoe moet dit worden uitgevoerd?
De naties willen gezamenlijk de juiste wapensystemen aanschaffen en de werking ervan verzekeren. Uiteraard wordt er gelet op welk land welke behoeften heeft. De gezamenlijke inkoop vergroot de interoperabiliteit tussen de afzonderlijke landen en ook de operationele waarde in het kader van de NAVO, doordat de landen elkaar bijvoorbeeld kunnen ondersteunen met de systemen en de bijbehorende munitie.

Ook op het gebied van financiering heeft de samenwerking een positief effect: de gezamenlijke inkoop bespaart kosten, omdat de verdedigingssystemen in grotere aantallen kunnen worden besteld. Ook gezamenlijke logistieke concepten en gezamenlijke reparatie en materiaalonderhoud kunnen de bedrijfskosten verlagen. Elk land financiert zijn eigen aandelen.

Wat zijn de eerste stappen?
Zo zijn de landen van plan om gezamenlijk het moderne IRIS-T SLMInfra Red Imaging System Tail Surface Launched Medium Range luchtverdedigingssysteem in te zetten, dat momenteel al in Oekra?ne wordt gebruikt en zich daar heeft bewezen, of aanvullende geleide raketten voor de Patriot Phased Array Tracking Radar om luchtverdedigingssysteem te onderscheppen om doelen te kopen. Daarna volgen verdere stappen. Omdat de eerste resultaten snel moeten worden behaald, ligt de focus in eerste instantie op systemen die op de markt verkrijgbaar zijn of al zijn ontwikkeld.

Harald

Israel and Germany discuss with US for acquisition of Arrow 3 air defense missile systems

According to information published by the "CTECH" website on October 31, 2022, currently, the United States Department of Defense discusses with Israel and Germany regarding the approval for the sale of the Arrow 3 air defense missile system. The United States will be able to accept the sale following the situation in Ukraine and the threats from Russia.

The Arrow 3 air defense system is jointly developed by Israel and the United States and must be approved by both countries before any sales. For this acquisition, Germany will be the leading country for this purchase for an amount of ?2 billion.

This acquisition could be part of the European development of a new joint air defense program under the name of the European Sky Shield Initiative, which will involve 14 NATO member countries and Finland. The deal is estimated at around ?2 billion and it could even reach ?3 billion, citing information from the "CTECH" website.

On October 13, 2022, Defense Ministers from 14 NATO Allies and Finland were together in Brussels to sign a Letter of Intent for the development of a ?European Sky Shield Initiative?. Spearheaded by Germany, the initiative aims to create a European air and missile defense system through the common acquisition of air defense equipment and missiles by European nations. This will strengthen NATO?s Integrated Air and Missile Defense.

On September 30, 2022, the Army Recognition editorial team reported that Israeli Defense Minister Benny Gantz discussed with the German Ministry of Defense Christine Lambrecht about the sale of the Israeli-made Arrow-3 air defense missile system.

The Arrow-3 interceptor was designed to provide another layer of defense against ballistic missiles, to add interception opportunities to Israel's Arrow Weapon System, and to improve the active defense architecture of the State of Israel against missile threats.

An Arrow 3 long-range anti-ballistic missile battery includes the ELM-2084 Super Green Pine warning and fire control radar developed by IAI?s Elta Systems, the Citron Tree Battle Management Center, and Hazelnut Tree Launcher Control Center developed by Elbit Systems. The new radar EL/M-2084 has both improved range and resolution by up to 50%. The Golden Citron Battle Management Center made by Elbit Systems also received significant new capabilities.

Arrow 3 should be able to intercept ballistic missiles, especially those carrying weapons of mass destruction, at altitudes of over 100 km, and with a reported range of up to 2,400 km.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_october_2022_global_security_army_industry/israel_and_germany_discuss_with_us_for_acquisition_of_arrow_3_air_defense_missile_systems.html

Harald

European Market Still Beckons, If Washington Allows

The strengthened relations between Israel and its regional neighbors has opened up one potentially large market for Israeli weapons. Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and the subsequent massive spike in defense spending in Europe, has created another. But once again, Washington will have a say, particularly in the lucrative realm of air defense technologies.

Given its precarious position in the region, Israel has long been a global leader on air defense systems, something Russia's invasion has made a priority for almost every NATO nation. However, several of the key systems used by Israel were co-funded with money from Washington, giving the US a veto over whether they can be exported or not.

While Washington would likely, from a geopolitical stance, be happy to see European nations building out their air defenses, American industry would surely prefer to sell its domestic equipment instead. In order to get a sense of what may be allowed, the Israeli ministry of defense in the next few weeks will try to get indications of possible American reactions to queries already submitted by a number of European countries.

In particular, the new European Sky Shield initiative, announced Oct. 13, will see 15 European nations come together to jointly invest in air defense capabilities that should, on paper, create a network of air defenses that cross significant chunks of Europe. Led by Germany, the effort will include Belgium, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Finland, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Norway, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, and the United Kingdom.

Germany is already in discussions with Israel over the Arrow 3 system. Produced by Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) with funding from the US, the Arrow 3 is targeted at ballistic missile defense. Sources say Washington has already given its tacit approval for a sale to Germany if Berlin and Jerusalem can come to terms.

But the creation of the new Sky Shield network opens up new opportunities for different levels of air and missile defense. The lowest tier is Rafael's "Iron Dome" which has intercepted thousands of short and medium-range rockets launched in recent years from Gaza. One layer above is the Rafael-Raytheon David's Sling system, designed to intercept longer-range rockets and cruise missiles. The Arrow 2 and 3 represent the upper layers of a system that is designed to defend Israel from rockets and missiles. All three layers have received US funding.

According to a senior defense industry source, the European initiative creates a big potential for the Israeli systems but "the way to contracts will be very, very complicated."

That's due to industrial pressures both in the US and in the European countries themselves, said Uzi Rubin, the former head of the Israel missile defense directorate in the Ministry of Defense.

"Some European countries like France have ballistic missile defense systems under development, others don't have these even on paper," he told Breaking Defense. "The best thing for Israel will be to sign the deal to sell the Arrow -3 to Germany. After this is accomplished, it will be easier to convince other alliance members to evaluate the system."

Rubin added that American companies that have developed systems to intercept ballistic missiles will put heavy pressure of Washington to use its influence to make the European countries buy American-made systems.

Another Israeli expert who spoke with Breaking Defense on condition of anonymity said that in the new European initiative, there are different operational needs spread across different countries, meaning there won't be much chance for Israel to make a one-size-fits-all deal.

"It is not that all the participating countries will go for the same systems. And even after they decide [what to buy], combined purchases of some countries together are not realistic. The Israeli companies will have to work hard to persuade the Europeans to buy their systems," the expert said.

However, the expert predicted, high-end radars from Israel might be the easiest thing to sell, even if the missile interception systems themselves take longer.

https://breakingdefense.com/2022/10/israel-backing-off-saudi-arm-sale-hopes-turning-eyes-to-europe/

Harald

Wordt het Duitse initiatief nu uitgebreid en het Europeese Sky Shield project, dus door meerdere landen gedragen ?
en ook een meer overlappend, layerd luchtverdedigings project, dus het combineren van short, medium, long en Ballistic onder 1 samenwerkingsband.

Germany, NATO allies aim to jointly procure air defence systems

Germany and more than a dozen NATO partners aim to jointly procure air defence systems that protect allied territory from missiles, eyeing Israel's Arrow 3 system, U.S. Patriot and German IRIS-T units among the options, Berlin said on Thursday.

"With this initiative, we are living up to our joint responsibility for security in Europe - by bundling our resources," German Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht said during a ceremony at NATO's Brussels headquarters where 14 countries signed a letter of intent.

Estonia wasn't present at the event but will also be part of the initiative, dubbed "European Sky Shield". In total it comprises half of NATO's members - including Germany, Britain, Slovakia, Norway, Latvia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Belgium, Czechia, Finland, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Romania and Slovenia.

Ground-based air defence systems such as Raytheon's (RTX.N) Patriot units or the more recently developed IRIS-T are in short supply in many Western nations, which were reluctant to invest too much money in military capabilities after the end of the Cold War.

Russia's war in Ukraine has cast a spotlight on the shortage, as Kyiv scrambles to acquire as many air defence units as it can to protect cities and critical infrastructures from Russian air attacks.

Lambrecht said countries were seeking to quickly move on the first deals.

"We will work speedily on the first joint projects, the joint purchase of Patriot units is one of them as well as of the modern system IRIS-T," she told reporters. IRIS-T is built by German defence company Diehl.

Berlin this week delivered the first of four IRIS-T SLM systems to Ukraine but Germany's own Bundeswehr armed forces does itself not have the system in inventory. At the same time, Berlin wants to ramp up the number of Patriot units it has.

While Patriot and IRIS-T cover the medium layer of air defence, countries will also discuss procuring systems for the higher layer, such as Arrow 3 produced by Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) (ISRAI.UL), and short-range systems designed to protect smaller areas or military convoys, for example.

"We need to fill these gaps quickly, we are living in threatening, dangerous times," Lambrecht said, who also signalled that she would prefer to buy Arrow 3 for the higher layer.

"No decision has been taken yet but I think it (Arrow 3) would be the right system,...that it would be a very good system for the challenge in Europe," she noted.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-13-nato-allies-aim-jointly-procure-air-defence-systems-2022-10-13/

Harald

Germany's interest in Arrow 3 could presage European defense bonanza for Israel

Germany is in talks to purchase the IAI-built Arrow 3 ballistic missile defense system, according to a new report.

With Germany now reportedly in talks to buy Israeli-made air defense systems, there is hope inside Israeli defense firms that a new spending-splurge on defense equipment may be coming from Europe. But the firms are also keeping a wary eye on what pressure Washington may bring to the European nations to instead buy American.

In public comments while meeting with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz Sept. 12, Israeli Prime Minister Yair Lapid declared that Israel "will be part of the construction of Germany's new defense force, mainly in the field of air defense. Scholz, for his part, called the Arrow 3 a "high-performance offer;" a German source told Reuters that there is a "plan" to buy Arrow 3 but that specifics have not been worked out.

Such a sale, if it happens, would be the first time Israel has exported the Arrow to another country. And given Germany's central role in Europe and the continents defense spending increase in the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, a deal could potentially drive other nations interested in integrating on air defense with Berlin to also purchase the system.

Produced by Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) with funding from the US, the Arrow 3 is targeted at ballistic missile defense. Because the US provides money, it can veto any export of the system, but sources here say Washington has given its tacit approval for a sale to Germany if Berlin and Jerusalem can come to terms.

One Israeli senior defense official said that other European countries are already in negotiations with the Israeli ministry of defense and defense industries about systems that can upgrade their capability to defend themselves from Russian missiles. While air defense is the priority, other systems are also on the hastily prepared shopping list.

The senior source added that Poland, Romania and at least some of the Scandinavian countries are already talking with "the right people" in Israel about fast acquisitions.

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https://breakingdefense.com/2022/09/germanys-interest-in-arrow-3-could-presage-european-defense-bonanza-for-israel/

Zander

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 01/09/2022 | 22:56 uur
Club die dienst draagt voor raketparaplu b.v.
Dus dit.
Gefinancierd en onderhouden door Europa ipv de lidstaten.
People are sheep

Huzaar1

Citaat van: Sparkplug op 01/09/2022 | 22:50 uur
Wat versta je onder deze Europese nationale garde? Het Europese equivalent van de Army National Guard of bedoel je iets compleet anders?

Club die dienst draagt voor raketparaplu b.v.
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion" US secmindef - Jed Babbin"

Sparkplug

Citaat van: Zander op 01/09/2022 | 18:02 uur
Ik ben echter wel van mening dat dit een ding is dat door een soort van Europese nationale garde o.i.d. moet worden bemenst en gecoördineerd.

Wat versta je onder deze Europese nationale garde? Het Europese equivalent van de Army National Guard of bedoel je iets compleet anders?
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.