Internationale ontwikkelingen maritiem

Gestart door Parera, 17/04/2018 | 18:32 uur

delarey

https://twitter.com/florence_parly/status/1336354119599140871?s=21

Macron heeft eerder vandaag de opvolger van het Charles de Gaulle vliegdekschip aangekondigd. In de Twitter-berichten meerdere renders en info. Nucleaire voortstuwing, 75.000 ton, 300 meter in de lengte, 27 knopen en CATOBAR.

Sparkplug

A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

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Citaat van: Harald op 01/12/2020 | 09:14 uur
The Type 32 will serve as mothership for unmanned systems.


Het geeft maar weer eens aan dat voor onze eigen marine het gekrompen concept ontwerp vMFF weer terug moet naar +/- 6000 ton.

Harald

Royal Navy's New Type 32 Frigate to Serve as Unmanned Systems Mothership

British MP Jeremy Quin, Minister of State for Defence Procurement, shed some fresh light on the future Type 32 frigate of the Royal Navy today, answering a parliamentary question: The Type 32 will serve as mothership for unmanned systems.

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Type 32 = mothership for MMCM ?
Today's statement by Jeremy Quin has to be linked with last week's £184m contract award for the Maritime Mine Counter Measure (MMCM) program. So far plans for the Royal Navy's MMCM motherships were not clear. Several sources mentioned to Naval News plans of early retirement for the existing fleet of Hunt-class and Sandown-class MCM vessels.

Until today, rumors made mention of the unmanned systems being (initially) deployed from OSV type vessels of opportunity (this will be tested in the Gulf in the near future) and then from the future Type 26 and Type 31 frigates. It appears that the future "drone mothership" for the MMCM systems will actually be the Type 32 Frigate, acting as Hunt-class and Sandown-class replacement.

Drone mothership concept
This concept of a large vessel acting as a mothership for drones is in line with a global trend that consists in using manned surface vessels (sometimes fully-fledged surface combatants) for the launch, operation and recovery of unmanned maritime systems.

As Naval News has reported in the past, the navies of Singapore (MRCV) and Japan (30FFM) are working on such projects. So are the navies of Belgium and the Netherlands in the field of mine warfare. The Russian Navy recently experimented the same concept from one of its Project 22350 frigate while the U.S. Navy did the same with one of its Spearhead-class EPF. Last but not least, South Korea is actively working on this concept as well.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/11/royal-navys-new-type-32-frigate-to-serve-as-unmanned-systems-mothership/

Ace1

Citaat van: Parera op 30/11/2020 | 17:48 uur
Allemaal leuk en aardig die Insitu UAV's maar dat zijn geen MALE UAV's zoals de Brazillianen willen gaan inzetten vanaf dit schip.  Het is in mijn ogen een kansloos project tenzij Brazilie zelfstandig MALE UAV's gaat ontwikkelen voor maritiem gebruik. En ik heb mijn twijfels over de haalbaarheid voor dat land van het zelfstandig ontwikkelen daarvan. Houd het simpel bij onbemande helikopter stijl toestellen i.c.m. bemande helikopters en hier en daar inderdaad een Blackjack of Scan Eagle.

Ik ben wat verder gaan zoeken de Brazillianen gebruiken een gemodificeerde  versie van de Heron-1 van Israel Aerospace Industries.

https://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/content/first-flight-israeli-brazilian-ca%C3%A7ador-uav

https://www.iai.co.il/avionics-iais-partner-enters-brazilian-uavs-market-cacador

https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/cacador-male-unmanned-aerial-system-uas

Ace1

Real hope for a bigger Royal Navy – the Type 32 frigate concept

As part of the Integrated Review announcements on 19th November, the Type 32 frigate concept emerged blinking into the light of public gaze for the first time. In this speculative article, we consider the possible design of this vessel and when it may enter service.


There are plenty of theories doing the rounds about the purpose of Type 32 which include; motherships for mine warfare USVs, an anti-submarine specialist or a replacement for the Type 45 destroyer. It is very early days and the RN is still working to define its requirement in more detail but official sources say the vessel will primarily be a general-purpose frigate. It will play a similar presence and maritime security role as the Type 31 and will not be a high-end combatant like the Type 26.

'The Type 31 Batch II'
Delivery of the Type 31 is a fixed contract between Babcock and the MoD that does not allow the customer to make changes to the design or equipment fit during construction. Although there is plenty of margin for additions, any upgrades will have to be made after they enter service. As embodied by the RN's transformation programme, there is a recognition of the increasing pace of global change and the main difference between Type 31 and Type 32 will be to incorporate a decade's worth of technological advances.

There are no guarantees but logic dictates Type 32 will almost certainly be a development of the Type 31. There are many good reasons for this. It would be expensive and take time to develop a new combatant design from scratch and if there is already an open production line for Type 31 up and running, it would make sense to sustain the drumbeat of work and utilise the experience readily available from building a similar platform. This approach would keep costs down and allow manufacture to start sooner. Assuming the Type 31 hull is used as the basis for the platform, commonality of propulsion and other systems could be maintained, simplifying both the design, logistic support and training requirements.

Besides BAE Systems in Glasgow fully occupied with Type 26, there are no other UK shipbuilders with recent experience of warship construction. Theoretically, Cammell Laird could build a Type 32 design based on the BAES 'Leander' candidate that failed to win the Type 31 competition but this would appear to be a much higher risk option.

There are a few wrinkles to iron out in any proposal to just continue production at Rosyth. Competition is a central tenet of the National Shipbuilding Strategy which could make it politically awkward simply to award the Type 32 contract to Babcock, even if this makes most industrial and economic sense. Other UK consortiums will want a chance to be involved despite the Fleet Solid Support Ship action and other work in the promised shipbuilding renaissance. The possibility of Scottish Independence also casts a malevolent shadow of uncertainty over any long term discussion about UK warship building.

A combatant fit for the 2040s
Automation and off-board systems are the are two key areas where Type 32 is likely to differ significantly from Type 31. Artificial Intelligence and automation is likely to have a greater role, in the combat management system, navigation systems and maintenance management. Continuing the trend of reduced crew size places fewer people in harm's way, lowers costs and may offer a quicker response to complex threats. The entirely uncrewed warship may not yet be viable by the 2030s but that is the direction of development.

While further automation can primarily be achieved with software and may have a less visible effect on ship design, increased reliance on hosting off-board autonomous platforms will have a bigger impact. One of the weaknesses of Type 31 is that its mission bay is below the flight deck. Useful for storing containerised equipment but it has to be loaded or unloaded by crane in harbour. There are 3 boat bays but these are limited to launching RIBs or small/lightweight UUV and USVs.

With no significant effort to reduce its acoustic signature for simplicity and cost reasons, Type 31 is a poor ASW platform. By deploying a medium-large size UUV equipped with its own sensors that can dive deep and get away from the radiated noise of its mother ship this situation could potentially be remedied. The 4-tonne USVs that the RN is acquiring for the autonomous mine hunting and similar vessels that may be used for patrol and surveillance would also need robust handling systems if they are to be deployed from a frigate in the open sea.

Thinking out loud
Let us speculate wildly for a moment that Type 32 will have a full-width mission bay by deleting the missile silos in the centre of the Type 31. The bay could then be properly equipped with a bespoke handling system (MBHS) similar to the Type 26 to facilitate the safe handling of much larger USVs and UUVs in higher sea states.

The defensive role of Sea Ceptor could instead be performed by Directed Energy Weapons which have small mountings and do not need to be deck-penetrating. There is also still top weight margin available for 'conventional' canister-launched guided weapons on the deck above the central mission bay. It can also be assumed that Type 32 will have an updated sensor fit that will reflect the advances in radar, EO and infrared sensing technologies.

The RN appears to be preparing to decommission its minehunters without direct replacement and rely on small uncrewed boats for mine countermeasures. This has led to some speculation that the Type 32 will act as 'motherships' for MCM boats. It could be very useful on occasions for frigates to carry their own mine warfare capability but it would be difficult to justify allocating limited surface escorts to routine MCM duties. (We will consider developments in autonomous mine warfare in a future article.) Like the Type 26, a Type 32 with a properly equipped mission bay offers an adaptable space that can be re-configured from a toolkit of autonomous systems, MCM capability being just one of many potential options.

The aspiration for 24 escorts
The Type 32s are intended to strengthen the RN escort fleet with additional ships, not just replace ships being decommissioned, The RN has a long-held ambition to have 24 escorts (6 destroyers and 18 frigates) which it believes is the real minimum required to sustain a carrier strike group at readiness and fulfil its other tasks. Unfortunately, even with the increased defence spending and intention to build a new frigate class, this ambition cannot be realised until at least the late 2030s. Until then forward-deployed OPVs will have to plug the gaps.

The chart above gives an approximation of the RN frigate programme into the 2040s. It is based on the assumption that the Type 32 will be approved and follow almost directly on from Type 31 construction and deliver ships at the same pace. Assuming the Rosyth facility gets into its stride and is able to construct the Type 31s to the tight schedule agreed, the lead Type 32 could be laid down in 2027/28, even before the last of the Type 31s is in service. It should also be noted that the exact delivery schedule for the later part of the Type 26 programme can only be guessed at as the last 5 ships have yet to be ordered and the pace of their construction may be slightly slower or faster than indicated.

What is obvious is the 2024-28 'frigate gap', when numbers dip even below 13 between is unavoidable but strength increases steadily throughout the 2030s. Unless there was some kind of emergency building programme or Type 26 was accelerated, there is no way the RN can have 24 escorts before about 2037-38. Even the 'rapid' Type 31 programme will have taken 12 years (since first announced in 2015) until the first ship becomes operational in 2027.

By the 2040s, the Type 45 destroyers will be 30 years old. If there is an 'upside' of having spent more time alongside that they should have due to propulsion problems, then their hulls are less fatigued than the hard-run frigates. Assuming they receive some form of mid-life weapon and sensor upgrade, this allows more breathing space to start the programme to replace them. The most likely scenario is that BAE Systems will begin constructing the Type 45 replacement (Future Anti-Air Warfare Programme) as the Type 26 programme tails off. Speculation that the 'Type 46' destroyer will be based on a Type 26 frigate hull makes some sense but may prove to be more technically challenging than assumed.

There will doubtless be further turbulent political and financial waters to be navigated before a bigger fleet can become a reality but the Type 32 is welcome proof that the navy's case is finally being appreciated by government. To remain relevant and credible, the pace of UK warship design, procurement and upgrades are going to have to accelerate and the Type 32 concept is another small step in the right direction.

https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/real-hope-for-a-bigger-royal-navy-the-type-32-frigate-concept/

Parera

Citaat van: Ace1 op 30/11/2020 | 17:11 uur
Hangt ervan welk type UAV's je gebruikt.
Als je de Boeing Insitu ScanEagle of de  Boeing Insitu X-300 Integrator of de Boeing Insitu  RQ-21A Blackjack gebruikt dan kan het wel.

https://www.insitu.com/information-delivery/hardware#3



Allemaal leuk en aardig die Insitu UAV's maar dat zijn geen MALE UAV's zoals de Brazillianen willen gaan inzetten vanaf dit schip.  Het is in mijn ogen een kansloos project tenzij Brazilie zelfstandig MALE UAV's gaat ontwikkelen voor maritiem gebruik. En ik heb mijn twijfels over de haalbaarheid voor dat land van het zelfstandig ontwikkelen daarvan. Houd het simpel bij onbemande helikopter stijl toestellen i.c.m. bemande helikopters en hier en daar inderdaad een Blackjack of Scan Eagle.

Ace1

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Citaat van: Parera op 30/11/2020 | 07:50 uur
Brazilian Navy NAM Atlântico A140 is now a multipurpose aircraft carrier



https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2020/november/9344-brazilian-navy-nam-atlantico-a140-is-now-a-multipurpose-aircraft-carrier.html

Leuk idee, nauwelijks uitvoerbaar op dit moment door het ontbreken van carrier capable MALE UAV's. De Amerikanen hebben op dit moment slechts 1 geschikt toestel en dat is de MQ-25 Stingray, in de huidige vorm niets meer dan een tanker UAV met zeer beperkte ISR capaciteit.

In mijn ogen is het op basis van dit schip en de huidige keuze uit UAV's een nutteloos idee, ze hadden beter kunnen kiezen voor een helikopter carrier (ASW) + VTOL UAV's omdat die op marine gebied veel verder zijn dan fixed-wing opties.

Hangt ervan welk type UAV's je gebruikt.
Als je de Boeing Insitu ScanEagle of de  Boeing Insitu X-300 Integrator of de Boeing Insitu  RQ-21A Blackjack gebruikt dan kan het wel.

https://www.insitu.com/information-delivery/hardware#3


Parera

#1262
Brazilian Navy NAM Atlântico A140 is now a multipurpose aircraft carrier



https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2020/november/9344-brazilian-navy-nam-atlantico-a140-is-now-a-multipurpose-aircraft-carrier.html

Leuk idee, nauwelijks uitvoerbaar op dit moment door het ontbreken van carrier capable MALE UAV's. De Amerikanen hebben op dit moment slechts 1 geschikt toestel en dat is de MQ-25 Stingray, in de huidige vorm niets meer dan een tanker UAV met zeer beperkte ISR capaciteit.

In mijn ogen is het op basis van dit schip en de huidige keuze uit UAV's een nutteloos idee, ze hadden beter kunnen kiezen voor een helikopter carrier (ASW) + VTOL UAV's omdat die op marine gebied veel verder zijn dan fixed-wing opties.

Parera

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Citaat van: Ace1 op 25/11/2020 | 17:23 uur
Als de Noorse bevoorrader dezelfde masten heeft als de Doorman dan kan de bemanning op de Poolster zeemanschapstrainer  toch trainen?


https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/2018/02/22/bevoorrading-op-zee-%E2%80%98droog%E2%80%99-oefenen-mogelijk-dankzij-zeemanschapstrainer-video

Het zijn niet 1 op 1 dezelfde masten als die van de DMAN en het CSS maar wel van dezelfde leverancier  ;) Maar in theorie moeten de bemanningen natuurlijk gewoon wel de basis van het RAS kunnen beoefenen op de Poolster RAS simulator. Als je gaat kijken is de keuze voor de NL leverancier vreemd te noemen omdat het Noorse Kongsberg zelf ook RAS systemen ontwikkeld/ levert al is dit wel onder de Britse tak van het bedrijf.


Zoek de verschillen:




Ace1

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Citaat van: Harald op 25/11/2020 | 15:45 uur
( Noorwegen - bevoorrader KNM Maud) Schip dat niet mocht varen nu in Den Helder voor werkzaamheden aan BOZ-masten

Een jaar geleden kreeg de nieuwe Noorse bevoorrader KNM Maud een vaarverbod, zo groot was het aantal gebreken aan boord. Afgelopen voorjaar werd dat vaarverbod nog verlengd, maar in september koos het in Zuid-Korea gebouwde schip voorzichtig weer zee. Gisteren arriveerde het bevoorradingsschip voor een bezoek in Den Helder. Niet omdat de Maud de problemen achter zich heeft gelaten, maar vanwege werkzaamheden aan de masten voor bevoorrading op zee (BOZ). 

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https://marineschepen.nl/nieuws/Nieuwe-Noorse-bevoorrader-op-bezoek-in-Den-Helder-231120.html

Als de Noorse bevoorrader dezelfde masten heeft als de Doorman dan kan de bemanning op de Poolster zeemanschapstrainer  toch trainen?


https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/2018/02/22/bevoorrading-op-zee-%E2%80%98droog%E2%80%99-oefenen-mogelijk-dankzij-zeemanschapstrainer-video

Harald

( Noorwegen - bevoorrader KNM Maud) Schip dat niet mocht varen nu in Den Helder voor werkzaamheden aan BOZ-masten

Een jaar geleden kreeg de nieuwe Noorse bevoorrader KNM Maud een vaarverbod, zo groot was het aantal gebreken aan boord. Afgelopen voorjaar werd dat vaarverbod nog verlengd, maar in september koos het in Zuid-Korea gebouwde schip voorzichtig weer zee. Gisteren arriveerde het bevoorradingsschip voor een bezoek in Den Helder. Niet omdat de Maud de problemen achter zich heeft gelaten, maar vanwege werkzaamheden aan de masten voor bevoorrading op zee (BOZ). 

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https://marineschepen.nl/nieuws/Nieuwe-Noorse-bevoorrader-op-bezoek-in-Den-Helder-231120.html

Harald


Harald

UK continues to tease on Type 32 details

UK Secretary of State for Defence Ben Wallace says work on the new platform would not begin until the mid-2020s, as he provided a potential timeline that broadly aligns with the new RN MCM requirement

Additional details about the timeline for the UK RN's planned new Type 32 'frigate' have further pointed to the vessel lining up to replace the country's MCM capability that is currently provided by the Hunt- and Sandown-class platforms.

Providing evidence to the UK Defence Committee on ...

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/naval-warfare/premium-uk-continues-tease-type-32-details/

Ace1

Citaat van: Tempest technican op 22/11/2020 | 17:24 uur
Vrachtschip als moederschip voor drones, raketten enz.

Saviz is an Iranian flagged general cargo vessel used as an offshore surveillance, command & liaison base by Iranian forces operating in the Red Sea. Analysis suggests that it is primarily deployed in support of Houthi Navy fighting in the civil war in Yemen. Saviz was operated as a bulk cargo carrier until recently when it was repurposed to support covert operations. It retains its cover identity as a cargo ship.


Bron: http://www.hisutton.com/Saviz.html
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37726/iran-unveils-its-new-sea-base-warship-that-looks-like-a-floating-arms-bazar#:~:text=Iran's%20Islamic%20Revolutionary%20Guards%20Corps,drones%2C%20and%20fast%20attack%20boats.


https://twitter.com/imp_navigator/status/1329348134586159104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1329348134586159104%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsturgeonshouse.ipbhost.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fimp_navigator%2Fstatus%2F1329348134586159104



Een vrachtschip met UAVS, Anti schip raketten, een Bell 412 helikopter en een surface to air raket systeem. Moet ook een radar bevatten, maar die zie ik niet echt ergens.

Moet blijkbaar dienen als een soort van moeder schip, een FOB op zee misschien.


De radar zit op een vrachtwagen.

It appears to be carrying the 2031 radar used to support long-range anti-ship missiles, but it will have a short detection range at deck level

https://twitter.com/JeremyBinnie/status/1329719332662861825