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Titel: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 19/12/2015 | 16:32 uur
Het vervolg van deel 5 (http://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/internationale_fighter_ontwikkelingen_deel_5-t26504.0.html;msg374045#new).

Lex
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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 19/12/2015 | 16:57 uur
Reactie op # 1484 Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen, deel 5.

Citaat van: Sparkplug op 19/12/2015 | 13:56 uur
Het is nog net niet dat er een weddenschap over het aantal wordt afgesloten  :lol: In ieder geval zijn het er minimaal 10 (2 + 8 ).
;D
Wedden of gokken doe ik niet.

Februari 2015 voor de zoveelste keer:

Feit is dat Noorwegen in april 2008 een juridisch bindend Request For Information betreffende de F-35A aanvroeg.
In dat zelfde jaar vroeg Nederland ook een RFI aan, maar ... deze was NIET juridisch bindend.
In de Noorse RFI werd voor een F-35A inclusief opleidingen, reserve-onderdelen, specifieke gereedschappen etcetera een prijsband afgegeven van 165  - 235 miljoen US dollar voor levering tussen 2016 en 2020.
Vertel mij maar eens hoeveel F-35A's je van in totaal EUR ongeveer 4,6 miljard, waar inmiddels iets minder dan 4 miljard van over is, kunt aanschaffen ?
De KLu zelf houdt al rekening met het feit dat er minder dan 30 F-35A's komen.  En ze houden zelfs rekening met een heel reëel scenario dat de KLu een QRA only luchtmacht wordt.
Houden we de huidige lage US dollar koers even buiten beschouwing.  In het meest optimistische scenario zou de KLu er dan maximaal 30 F-35A's krijgen en in het meest pessimistische scenario slechts 18 kisten !
Een midden scenario zou dan 24 F-35A's opleveren.

En dat is nog maar de aanschaf: levensduurkosten (100%) = aanschaf (30%) + exploitatie (70%).
De officiële F-35A Cost Per Flight Hour (CPFH) staat nu op USD 32.000 - 35.500.
Maar Amerikaanse insiders, spreken in 2014 al over een F-35A CPFH van USD 40.000+ vergelijkbaar met de F-15C.
(edit: En in 2015 werd deze al weer bijgesteld naar een geschatte USD 50.000. !)
De CPFH van de F-15C Eagle in 2012 bedroeg USD 41.921 en de F-16C CPFH bedroeg toen USD 22.514.
Deze F-16C CPFH is een ruwe indicatie voor de exploitatie kosten van onze F-16AM/BM's.
We kunnen nu met kunst en vliegwerk een F-16 vloot aanhouden van 61 stuks.  Dus zullen we NOOIT een vloot F-35A's van 37 stuks kunnen exploiteren.  Want de begroting voor de F-35A exploitatie gaat echt niet omhoog.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 19/12/2015 | 17:22 uur
Citaat van: juviWe zullen het wellicht nooit weten.

Nee, we zullen het nooit weten, in de sociale wetenschappen kun je het immer maar 1 keer echt doen. Maar aangezien vrijwel alle actoren dit als de hoofd reden noemen, is er weinig aanleiding om iets anders te denken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 19/12/2015 | 17:24 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 19/12/2015 | 16:57 uur
Want de begroting voor de F-35A exploitatie gaat echt niet omhoog.

Bovenop de 270 miljoen alleen prijspeilbijstelling. Men heeft zelf al berekend dat het te weinig is.

CitaatInitieel vastgesteld gemiddelde jaarlijkse exploitatiebudget (pp 2012): 270,0
Loon-/Prijspeilbijstelling 2012–2014 -> +15,4
Loon-/Prijspeilbijstelling 2014–2015 -> +0,4
Huidig gemiddelde jaarlijkse exploitatiebudget (pp 2015)
=
285,7

De actuele raming van de jaarlijkse exploitatiekosten (inclusief risicoreservering) bedraagt € 311,2 miljoen.

(https://zoek.officielebekendmakingen.nl/kst-26488-393-005.png)

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 19/12/2015 | 18:23 uur
Dus JSF is ten alle tijden te duur!
Hiernaast is het altijd veroudert, omdat door de electronica apparatuur nieuwe systemen zeer moeilijk in te bouwen zijn. Volgens mij kan blok 4 nog niet eens SDB-2 aan  :hrmph:, en blok 3 nog niet eens SDB1 doe al volop onder de F16 gehangen wordt.
Achteraf hadden we geloof ik beter met SAAB samen kunnen werken, maarja iets met achteraf is het nogal makkelijk praten.  :sick:
Dankje USA voor het lam leggen van onze luchtmacht, of moet ik Lockheed Martin de schuld geven?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 19/12/2015 | 18:26 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 19/12/2015 | 18:23 uur
Dus JSF is ten alle tijden te duur!
Hiernaast is het altijd veroudert, omdat door de electronica apparatuur nieuwe systemen zeer moeilijk in te bouwen zijn. Volgens mij kan blok 4 nog niet eens SDB-2 aan  :hrmph:, en blok 3 nog niet eens SDB1 doe al volop onder de F16 gehangen wordt.
Achteraf hadden we geloof ik beter met SAAB samen kunnen werken, maarja iets met achteraf is het nogal makkelijk praten.  :sick:
Dankje USA voor het lam leggen van onze luchtmacht, of moet ik Lockheed Martin de schuld geven?

Nee de JSF fetisjisten bij de top van de KLU en de politiek.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 19/12/2015 | 18:26 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 19/12/2015 | 18:23 uur
Dus JSF is ten alle tijden te duur!
Hiernaast is het altijd veroudert, omdat door de electronica apparatuur nieuwe systemen zeer moeilijk in te bouwen zijn. Volgens mij kan blok 4 nog niet eens SDB-2 aan  :hrmph:, en blok 3 nog niet eens SDB1 doe al volop onder de F16 gehangen wordt.
Achteraf hadden we geloof ik beter met SAAB samen kunnen werken, maarja iets met achteraf is het nogal makkelijk praten.  :sick:
Dankje USA voor het lam leggen van onze luchtmacht, of moet ik Lockheed Martin de schuld geven?
De belangrijkste reden is voor mij nog altijd het wanbeleid van de NL regering
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/12/2015 | 18:37 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 19/12/2015 | 18:23 uur
Dus JSF is ten alle tijden te duur!
Dankje USA voor het lam leggen van onze luchtmacht, of moet ik Lockheed Martin de schuld geven?

Ik heb altijd geroepen dat ik best met de laatste variant van de F15 voor de KLU had kunnen leven.

En ook achteraf vind ik de Gripen niets, mijn tweede keuze: Rafale.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 19/12/2015 | 18:41 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/12/2015 | 18:37 uur
Ik heb altijd geroepen dat ik best met de laatste variant van de F15 voor de KLU had kunnen leven.

En ook achteraf vind ik de Gripen niets, mijn tweede keuze: Rafale.

De ook zo dure Rafale. Ik denk dat dat ding ook veel te duur is in gebruik.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/12/2015 | 19:24 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 19/12/2015 | 16:57 uur
Vertel mij maar eens hoeveel F-35A's je van in totaal EUR ongeveer 4,6 miljard, waar inmiddels iets minder dan 4 miljard van over is, kunt aanschaffen ?

En dat is nog maar de aanschaf: levensduurkosten (100%) = aanschaf (30%) + exploitatie (70%).
De officiële F-35A Cost Per Flight Hour (CPFH) staat nu op USD 32.000 - 35.500.
Maar Amerikaanse insiders, spreken in 2014 al over een F-35A CPFH van USD 40.000+ vergelijkbaar met de F-15C.
(edit: En in 2015 werd deze al weer bijgesteld naar een geschatte USD 50.000. !)
De CPFH van de F-15C Eagle in 2012 bedroeg USD 41.921 en de F-16C CPFH bedroeg toen USD 22.514.
Deze F-16C CPFH is een ruwe indicatie voor de exploitatie kosten van onze F-16AM/BM's.
Zelf heb ik geen inzicht wat er allemaal naast de toestellen met de 4,6 miljard EUR moet worden aangeschaft. Heb ook geen idee hoe de dollarkoers tussen nu en 2024 zal lopen.

Zelf pin ik mij niet vast hoeveel F-35A er uiteindelijk zullen komen. Het is i.i.g. leuk om te lezen wat iedereen verwacht  ;)

Wat de CPFH betreft, zou het wel handig zijn om te weten wat van de drie genoemde types van dit jaar zijn. Kan de CPFH al voor 2016 worden aangegeven?

Citaat van: ridivek op 19/12/2015 | 18:23 uur
Hiernaast is het altijd veroudert, omdat door de electronica apparatuur nieuwe systemen zeer moeilijk in te bouwen zijn. Volgens mij kan blok 4 nog niet eens SDB-2 aan  :hrmph:, en blok 3 nog niet eens SDB1 doe al volop onder de F16 gehangen wordt.
De Block software van de F-35 blijft wat modernisering altijd doorgaan. Block 3F is alleen het startpunt. De hardware van de F-35 moet ook kunnen worden gemoderniseerd. Het EOTS systeem als voorbeeld wordt opgevolgd door de Advanced EOTS versie.

Bij de F-16A(M)/B(M) werd de Block versie ook constant gemoderniseerd (Block 1, Block 5, Block 10, Block 15, Block 15 OCU en uiteindelijk Block 20).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/12/2015 | 20:15 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 19/12/2015 | 18:41 uur
De ook zo dure Rafale. Ik denk dat dat ding ook veel te duur is in gebruik.

Als je iets wil wat geen geld kost moet je een zweefvliegtuig nemen.

Als de hele wereld in 2035 zou rondvliegen in types vergelijkbaar met de F16 dan zou ik je zondermeer gelijk geven...

Het woorden duur en lekker goedkoop doen het goed hier op het forum...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 19/12/2015 | 20:23 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/12/2015 | 20:15 uur
Het woorden duur en lekker goedkoop doen het goed hier op het forum...
Heeft iets te maken met het huidige defensiebudget :sick:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 19/12/2015 | 21:12 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 19/12/2015 | 20:23 uur
Heeft iets te maken met het huidige defensiebudget :sick:

Precies.  Met het huidige budget zouden we het met een goedkoper toestel moeten doen.
Met een verdubbeling van het budget zouden die 85 beoogde JSF vliegers er ook naar mijn mening moeten komen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/12/2015 | 21:16 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 19/12/2015 | 21:12 uur
Precies.  Met het huidige budget zouden we het met een goedkoper toestel moeten doen.
Met een verdubbeling van het budget zouden die 85 beoogde JSF vliegers er ook naar mijn mening moeten komen.

Dus... is het zaak dat het budget omhoog gaat.... bij nog verder hakken is ook de Gripen te duur.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 19/12/2015 | 21:57 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/12/2015 | 21:16 uur
Dus... is het zaak dat het budget omhoog gaat.... bij nog verder hakken is ook de Gripen te duur.

Duuhh, we vallen in herhaling. De kans dat het budget significant omhoog gaat de komende jaren is gewoon klein, dus moet je je wel aanpassen anders graaft de organisatie zichzelf steeds dieper de afgrond in.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/12/2015 | 22:05 uur
Citaat van: Strata op 19/12/2015 | 21:57 uur
Duuhh, we vallen in herhaling. De kans dat het budget significant omhoog gaat de komende jaren is gewoon klein, dus moet je je wel aanpassen anders graaft de organisatie zichzelf steeds dieper de afgrond in.

Het is ook helaas steeds het zelfde liedje.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 19/12/2015 | 23:26 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 19/12/2015 | 19:24 uur
Zelf heb ik geen inzicht wat er allemaal naast de toestellen met de 4,6 miljard EUR moet worden aangeschaft. Heb ook geen idee hoe de dollarkoers tussen nu en 2024 zal lopen.

Zelf pin ik mij niet vast hoeveel F-35A er uiteindelijk zullen komen. Het is i.i.g. leuk om te lezen wat iedereen verwacht  ;)

Wat de CPFH betreft, zou het wel handig zijn om te weten wat van de drie genoemde types van dit jaar zijn. Kan de CPFH al voor 2016 worden aangegeven?
De Block software van de F-35 blijft wat modernisering altijd doorgaan. Block 3F is alleen het startpunt. De hardware van de F-35 moet ook kunnen worden gemoderniseerd. Het EOTS systeem als voorbeeld wordt opgevolgd door de Advanced EOTS versie.

Bij de F-16A(M)/B(M) werd de Block versie ook constant gemoderniseerd (Block 1, Block 5, Block 10, Block 15, Block 15 OCU en uiteindelijk Block 20).
Daarom ben ik ook uitgegaan van de voordelige US Dollar koers van enkele jaren geleden.
De CPFH voor 2016 worden pas bekend op zijn vroegst in a.s. oktober / november en over 2015 zijn ze nog niet openbaar.

Operational Cost Per Flight Hour (directe + indirecte kosten) in Fiscal Year 2014:

Type                              CPFH in US Dollars      index
F-16C/D                          21.415                       64,4
F-15E Strike Eagle        33.260                      100
F-22A Raptor                 ~66.000                      198,4
B-1B Lancer                     58.838                      176,9

F-35A LightningII         67.549                      203,1 

Noot: er vliegen nu ruim 160 F-35's rond, die zitten door de hoge initieele kosten nog ergens in het 'hoge voeteneinde'  van de levensduurkosten 'badkuip doorsnede'.
Diverse ingewijden in de US Air Force schatten de uiteindelijke F-35A CPFH tussen de USD 40.000 - 50.000.

Onze beide F-35A's zijn inmiddels opgewaardeerd naar block 2B.
Opwaardering naar block 3F of 3i kan alleen door de huidige TR1 hardware te verwijderen en inbouw van TR2.  De TR1 hardware stamt qua architectuur nog uit de jaren 90.
Oorspronkelijk zou de block 3 variant de beschikking hebben over het volledige pakket vaardigheden.
Echter, door de vele 'uitdagingen', heeft men bepaalde vaardigheden verschoven naar latere block varianten.
Het Advanced Tactical Fighter project wat de F-22A Raptor voortbracht is veel minder complex en veel minder afhankelijk van software dan de F-35.
Toch heeft men bepaalde opwaarderingen niet of slechts ten dele kunnen uitvoeren vanwege de zeer hoge kosten hiervan.   
En voor de F-35 is het ook maar afwachten, welke verbeteringen er financieel mogelijk zijn.

Aanschaf vliegtuigen                                                             € 2.904,9

Aanschaf vliegtuiggebonden apparatuur                                       € 97,6

Aanpassingen testtoestellen tot einde testfase (block 3F)               € 10,4

Initiele aanschaf reservedelen                                                    € 154,0

Aanschaf speciale gereedschappen en meet-/testapparatuur         € 151,2

Aanschaf simulatoren en leermiddelen                                       € 105,0

Aanpassingen infrastructuur in NL                                               € 78,2

Deelneming operationele testfase                                                € 87,1

Programmakosten JSF                                                              € 285,7

Projectkosten                                                                            € 48,7

Instroom begeleiding                                                                 € 21,7

BTW en overige heffingen                                                         € 572,5
   
Sub-totaal                                                                            € 4.517,0 miljoen

Risico reservering investeringen                                                € 411,7

Overheveling naar exploitatie kosten (wisselkoers aanpassing)     € 312,3

Totaal                                                                                    5.241,1 miljoen Euro
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ros op 20/12/2015 | 00:08 uur
Het optelsommetje klopt zo ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 20/12/2015 | 01:11 uur
Okee nu al meer dan 5mjd terwijl 4,5 als max was toegezegd. Dit inclusief de ruim 300mln voor het langer door vliegen met de F16. Ik vond en vindt de beslissing van vorig jaar om over te gaan tot aanschaf van de F16 ronduit DOM!!! Als je maar een beetje naar de cijfers kijkt, ze verbergen het niet eens, is de F35 te duur in gebruik. 'Overheveling naar exploitatie kosten'.
Ros je slaat de spijker op zijn kop waarom ik ervan overtuigd ben dat de F35 altijd verouderd zal zijn/ niet de technische ontwikkelingen van bewapening en sensoren bij kan houden.
Ik denk dat met en Europees project voor een één motorige straaljager (nu ontwikkelt Saab de grippen NG), de 800mln die Nederland in de ontwikkeling heeft gestoken veel meer had uitgehaald. Okee we zouden één van de hoofd sponsors zijn geweest. De productie van de F16 draait nog toch. We kunnen altijd nog nieuwe F16 aanschaffen of overstappen op de gripen.
Als ik heel eerlijk ben hoop ik op een fatale buck in de F35 die het programma beëindigd, want ik zie het geen succes worden. Het basis concept was volgens Thales in 1990 al achterhaald, de smart L kon vanaf het begin al Stealth vliegtuigen detecteren. De motoren branden te heet dus zijn hitte zoekende raketten zeer effectief tegen de JSF(doodskist). En je kunt niet manoeuvreren omdat het in 2011 aangepaste ontwerp hoofdzakelijk als bommenwerper is ontworpen.

Qua defensie budget ben ik ook pessimistisch, ik denk niet dat veel Nederlanders 2% van hun Netto inkomen over hebben voor defensie. Je hebt het over ruim 800 euro per inwoner van Nederland. De belasting druk is al TE hoog volgens vele (vooral omdat multinationals te weinig worden belast).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: 5m@sh_1up op 20/12/2015 | 09:57 uur
Zucht.... Wat een gelul weer...

Buck....

Kom op. De Gripen NG BESTAAT NIET eens, slechts op papier. En vooralsnog heeft geen enkele luchtmacht er interesse in. Zelfs de Zweedse niet volgens mij. Nieuwe F16's kopen is helemaal dom. De spare parts worden alleen maar schaarser en duurder.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2015 | 10:10 uur
Citaat van: 5m@sh_1up op 20/12/2015 | 09:57 uur
Zucht.... Wat een gelul weer...

Buck....

Kom op. De Gripen NG BESTAAT NIET eens, slechts op papier. En vooralsnog heeft geen enkele luchtmacht er interesse in. Zelfs de Zweedse niet volgens mij. Nieuwe F16's kopen is helemaal dom. De spare parts worden alleen maar schaarser en duurder.

+ heel veel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/12/2015 | 11:32 uur
Citaat van: 5m@sh_1up op 20/12/2015 | 09:57 uur
Kom op. De Gripen NG BESTAAT NIET eens, slechts op papier. En vooralsnog heeft geen enkele luchtmacht er interesse in. Zelfs de Zweedse niet volgens mij. Nieuwe F16's kopen is helemaal dom. De spare parts worden alleen maar schaarser en duurder.

Kijk dan in onderstaande link even naar de Antwoorden #1226 en #1227 over de voortgang van de eerste JAS 39E Gripen (v/h Gripen NG).

http://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/internationale_fighter_ontwikkelingen_deel_5-t26504.270.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2015 | 11:57 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 20/12/2015 | 11:32 uur
Kijk dan in onderstaande link even naar de Antwoorden #1226 en #1227 over de voortgang van de eerste JAS 39E Gripen (v/h Gripen NG).


Voortgang met de bouw van een prototype welke zijn luchtdoop ergens in 2016 gaat krijgen gevolgd door een test en evaluatie periode is niet bepaald een bestaand vliegtuig.

Waarom die adoratie voor de Gripen? Alleen vanwege het aanschaf- en exploitatiebudget op het eerste oog?

De teller voor Gripen E/F staat op 60 voor Zweden (+10 als optie) en 36 voor Brazilië waarbij de verwachting recent drastisch zijn bijgesteld, van 100 naar 40).

Er zullen ongetwijfeld nog een paar nieuwe Gripen E gebruikers bij komen maar vermoedelijk blijft het aantal Gripen E gewoon te laag om het succesvol voor de komende 30-40 jaar te laten zijn.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/12/2015 | 12:11 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2015 | 11:57 uur
Voortgang met de bouw van een prototype welke zijn luchtdoop ergens in 2016 gaat krijgen gevolgd door een test en evaluatie periode is niet bepaald een bestaand vliegtuig.

Waarom die adoratie voor de Gripen? Alleen vanwege het aanschaf- en exploitatiebudget op het eerste oog?
Nergens stel ik dat ik de Gripen adoreer (wat ik persoonlijk wel adoreer zijn tweemotorige types  ;) ). Wel wil ik aangeven dat er daadwerkelijk wordt gewerkt aan de JAS 39E.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 20/12/2015 | 12:14 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 20/12/2015 | 12:11 uur
Nergens stel ik dat ik de Gripen adoreer (wat ik persoonlijk wel adoreer zijn tweemotorige types  ;) ). Wel wil ik aangeven dat er daadwerkelijk wordt gewerkt aan de JAS 39E.

Sterker nog mee gebruikt een interim toestel (Gripen C/D) als prototype met de motor en de avionica  en radar van de Gripen E daarin.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 20/12/2015 | 12:16 uur
De gripen NG heeft orders uit Brazilie toch?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2015 | 12:21 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 20/12/2015 | 12:14 uur
Sterker nog mee gebruikt een interim toestel (Gripen C/D) als prototype met de motor en de avionica  en radar van de Gripen E daarin.

Is een andere constructie, leuk testplatform, dat is iets anders dan een origineel gebouwde E.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/12/2015 | 12:21 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 20/12/2015 | 12:14 uur
Sterker nog mee gebruikt een interim toestel (Gripen C/D) met de motor en de avionica  en radar van de Gripen E daarin.
Dit is een omgebouwde JAS 39D tweezitter, dat als demonstratietoestel wordt gebruikt.

Citaat van: ridivek op 20/12/2015 | 12:16 uur
De gripen NG heeft orders uit Brazilie toch?
Ja, dat klopt. Zij bestellen 36 stuks.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/brazil-finalises-468bn-gripen-ng-deal-416586/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2015 | 12:23 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 20/12/2015 | 12:16 uur
De gripen NG heeft orders uit Brazilie toch?

36 stuks voor Brazilië en 60 (eventueel + 10) voor Zweden.

Ik ben diep onder de indruk!  :neutral:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 20/12/2015 | 12:25 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2015 | 12:23 uur
36 stuks voor Brazilië en 60 (eventueel + 10) voor Zweden.

Ik ben diep onder de indruk!  :neutral:

Ik ook, dat ze het zelfs bij zulke aantallen voor elkaar boxen, laat staan wat er mogelijk is als het aantal gaat verdubbelen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2015 | 12:29 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 20/12/2015 | 12:25 uur
Ik ook, dat ze het zelfs bij zulke aantallen voor elkaar boxen, laat staan wat er mogelijk is als het aantal gaat verdubbelen.

Dat is zeker knap.... en toen kwamen de updates en de MLU.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2015 | 12:32 uur
Lockheed to reveal 'ultimate offering' for T-X next year

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-to-reveal-ultimate-offering-for-t-x-next-420225/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 20/12/2015 | 12:40 uur
Saab heeft toch ook voorgesteld om de Gripen NG optionaly piloted te maken, zodat deze ook onbemand kan vliegen zoals een MALE UAV. De Amerikanen kunnen dit al met de F-16 (en de F-4), alleen worden deze (oude) toestellen als target drone gebruikt om bv. het patriot systeem te testen. Ik zou durven stellen dat een straaljager die onbemand missies kan uitvoeren tot de zesde generatie behoort. Alle straaljagers hebben enige maten van stealth en AESA radars zijn over een paar jaar voor vele toestellen beschikbaar. Dus dan vallen de voordelen van de F35 weg.
Onbemand lijkt mij voor in een gebied waar luchtafweer systemen actief zijn beter dan bemand, en andere oplossing is een UAV sensor vooruit sturen om het gebied te verkennen en vanaf een afstand uit de straaljager bommen sturen om het afweersysteem uit te schakelen. Zulke systemen zijn door de grote mate van integratie van de F35 moeilijk in te bouwen. In een F-16 of gripen met minder integratie/ een simpeler systeem zal dit makkelijker/ goedkoper gaan.
(ps ik heb dit van deze video: MBDA Concept Vision 2012 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQJ3uTZAnak)- Vigilus [youtube]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2015 | 12:40 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2015 | 12:32 uur
Lockheed to reveal 'ultimate offering' for T-X next year


Weer een indicatie dat de US-Koreaan het als TX niet gaat redden..... de Koreanen krijgen uiteindelijk een mes in hun rug, wat net weg neemt dat dan wel een interessante trainer voor zich zelf en de export markt hebben gecreëerd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2015 | 12:43 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 20/12/2015 | 12:40 uur
Saab heeft toch ook voorgesteld om de Gripen NG optionaly piloted te maken, zodat deze ook onbemand kan vliegen zoals een MALE UAV. De Amerikanen kunnen dit al met de F-16 (en de F-4), alleen worden deze (oude) toestellen als target drone gebruikt om bv. het patriot systeem te testen. Ik zou durven stellen dat een straaljager die onbemand missies kan uitvoeren tot de zesde generatie behoort. Alle straaljagers hebben enige maten van stealth en AESA radars zijn over een paar jaar voor vele toestellen beschikbaar. Dus dan vallen de voordelen van de F35 weg.
Onbemand lijkt mij voor in een gebied waar luchtafweer systemen actief zijn beter dan bemand, en andere oplossing is een UAV sensor vooruit sturen om het gebied te verkennen en vanaf een afstand uit de straaljager bommen sturen om het afweersysteem uit te schakelen. Zulke systemen zijn door de grote mate van integratie van de F35 moeilijk in te bouwen. In een F-16 of gripen met minder integratie/ een simpeler systeem zal dit makkelijker/ goedkoper gaan.

Ik heb zo het vermoeden dat alle mult-role kisten over een paar decennia tot het verleden behoren, dan heb je: air dominance (bemand), UCAV en missile trucks.(bemand en onbemand)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 20/12/2015 | 12:48 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2015 | 12:29 uur
Dat is zeker knap.... en toen kwamen de updates en de MLU.

Als dat te complex wordt dan ontwikkel je toch gewoon een nieuw toestel, als dat zoveel makkelijk is?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 20/12/2015 | 12:52 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2015 | 12:40 uur
Weer een indicatie dat de US-Koreaan het als TX niet gaat redden..... de Koreanen krijgen uiteindelijk een mes in hun rug, wat net weg neemt dat dan wel een interessante trainer voor zich zelf en de export markt hebben gecreëerd.

Of dat aangeeft dat het T-X project nog erg veel onzekerheden kent. Het gegeven dat Lockheed meerdere opties open houd lijkt mij geen indicatie dat ze geen kans maken, eerder dat ze flexibel willen zijn juist om klaar te zijn als het project een meer vaste vorm krijgt. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2015 | 12:55 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 20/12/2015 | 12:52 uur
Of dat aangeeft dat het T-X project nog erg veel onzekerheden kent. Het gegeven dat Lockheed meerdere opties open houd lijkt mij geen indicatie dat ze geen kans maken, eerder dat ze flexibel willen zijn juist om klaar te zijn als het project een meer vaste vorm krijgt. 

Zou kunnen, ik blijf bij mijn verwachting dat de USAF gaat kiezen voor een clean sheet ontwerp.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 20/12/2015 | 13:04 uur
Ik denk dat de enige oplossing een mixed fleet gaat zijn, F-35 en een Fighter/trainer. Het had dan effectiever geweest om alleen de Fighter/trainer aan te schaffen, alleen kun je dan veel minder. Maar dat is beter dan toestellen hebben waar initieel alles mee kon, die nu alleen bommer zijn. En die voor NL te duur zijn om uiteindelijk practisch wat mee te kunnen. Iets met de alles kunner kan niets.  :devil:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 20/12/2015 | 13:11 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2015 | 12:55 uur
Zou kunnen, ik blijf bij mijn verwachting dat de USAF gaat kiezen voor een clean sheet ontwerp.

Daar komen dan mogelijk ook de nodige technologieën uit de T-50 in, waardoor de Koreanen binnen boord blijven.
Bovendien zitten de Koreanen nogal met dat F35 verhaal in hun maag. Een bestelling voor 1000 T50's zou eea daar ook wel eens soepeler kunnen laten lopen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2015 | 13:17 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 20/12/2015 | 13:04 uur
Ik denk dat de enige oplossing een mixed fleet gaat zijn, F-35 en een Fighter/trainer. Het had dan effectiever geweest om alleen de Fighter/trainer aan te schaffen, alleen kun je dan veel minder. Maar dat is beter dan toestellen hebben waar initieel alles mee kon, die nu alleen bommer zijn. En die voor NL te duur zijn om uiteindelijk practisch wat mee te kunnen. Iets met de alles kunner kan niets.  :devil:

De mix is voorspelbaar, louter een trainer/fighter zou je maar zo voor onplezierige verrassingen kunnen zorgen.

De toekomst is air dominance, UCAV en (voor wie het zich wil/kan veroorloven: missile trucks)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 20/12/2015 | 22:03 uur
Citaat van: Ros op 20/12/2015 | 00:08 uur
Het optelsommetje klopt zo ?

Voortgangsrapportage F-35 2015:
Opvallend: we betalen dus ruim een half miljard aan BTW....

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi68.tinypic.com%2F2zqdlyc.png&hash=4576f26eda7a4c3d63d23135d591636f18fe2f00)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/12/2015 | 07:41 uur
Germany plans to develop new fighter jet to replace Tornado

Reuters, 20/12

BERLIN (Reuters) – Germany plans to develop a new fighter jet to replace Tornado jets in the long term and it aims to hold initial talks with European partners in 2016 about what features they want in the aircraft, according to a document seen by Reuters on Sunday.

A draft document from the Defence Ministry on 'military aviation strategy' said it was still unclear whether the new jet would be manned or unmanned. It said it was also possible that the jet would be designed for both options and then be flown with or without a pilot depending on the type of deployment.

As it would be a European project, it is likely that one or more European companies would be chosen to develop the jet. The Tornado jet, which Germany has been using since 1981 – although it now also has the newer Eurofighter jet – was also made in an international consortium called Panavia.

At the same time, Germany's armed forces are looking into whether it would be possible to extend usage of the Tornado jets into the mid-2030s, the paper said.

The Tornado jets had been due to be phased out in the mid-2020s.

A spokesman for the Defence Ministry said the document had not yet been agreed with the other ministries so he could not comment on it

http://www.euronews.com/newswires/3114600-germany-plans-to-develop-new-fighter-jet-to-replace-tornado/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: DvdW op 21/12/2015 | 08:08 uur
En weer een nieuw/ander type erbij.....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/12/2015 | 08:24 uur
Citaat van: DvdW op 21/12/2015 | 08:08 uur
En weer een nieuw/ander type erbij.....

Als het initiatief daadwerkelijk van de grond komt dan kan ik mij niet voorstellen dat dit louter is voor de Tornado vervanging. immers, in de jaren dertig zijn de Europese Tornado gebruikers Engeland en Italië volledig over op de combinatie Eurofighter en F35A/B.

Voor uitsluitend de Duitse markt, met een beperkt aantal Tornado's, heb ik zo mijn twijfels over de haalbaarheid.

Wel zou dit eindelijk de aanzet kunnen zijn om tegen 2035, maar gezien de ontwikkel periode en de geschiedenis van bij voorbeeld de Eurofighter, vermoedelijk meer richting 2040 te komen tot een Europese vervanger van zowel de Tornado als de Eurofighter,  iets wat ik zou toejuichen en uiterst noodzakelijk is voor de levensvatbaarheid van een autonome Europese fighter industrie.

Als de EF/Tornado landen + Frankrijk tegen 2040 zorgen voor een zware twee pitter en Saab zijn FS2020 één pitter aan de tijd aanpast en deze FS 2050 doopt komt het misschien toch nog goed met de fighter industrie in Europa.

Kunnen we in Europa tegen het midden van deze eeuw allemaal geleidelijk over op een Europese oplossing na keuze.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 21/12/2015 | 08:59 uur
Hopelijk slaan ze de handen ineen met een grote speler in de VS.
Gezien de fusie/samenwerking tussen KMW en de Fransen zou een Duits Franse samenwerking ook interessant kunnen worden. Nou gooien de Fransen wel snel de handdoek in de ring als ze zelf verder denken n te komen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/12/2015 | 09:02 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 21/12/2015 | 08:59 uur
Hopelijk slaan ze de handen ineen met een grote speler in de VS.
Gezien de fusie/samenwerking tussen KMW en de Fransen zou een Duits Franse samenwerking ook interessant kunnen worden. Nou gooien de Fransen wel snel de handdoek in de ring als ze zelf verder denken n te komen.

Het Franse Rafel programma heeft meer dan 45 miljard euro gekost, een opvolger van de Rafale zal eerder aanzienlijk duurder dan goedkoper zijn... als de Fransen....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/12/2015 | 09:04 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/12/2015 | 08:24 uur
Als het initiatief daadwerkelijk van de grond komt dan kan ik mij niet voorstellen dat dit louter is voor de Tornado vervanging. immers, in de jaren dertig zijn de Europese Tornado gebruikers Engeland en Italië volledig over op de combinatie Eurofighter en F35A/B.

Voor uitsluitend de Duitse markt, met een beperkt aantal Tornado's, heb ik zo mijn twijfels over de haalbaarheid.
Zoals het er nu naar uitziet, stoot de RAF de Tornado GR4/GR4A vloot af in 2019. Vraag mij af of de Italiaanse Tornado IDS/ECR vloot het einde van de jaren 20 haalt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 21/12/2015 | 09:24 uur
Waarschijnlijk wordt de Duitse politiek voorgemasseerd voor de vervanging van de Tornado. Europees idee van start tot uiteindelijk vliegend model kost idd veel geld maar ook tijd. En tot 2030 is "maar" 15 jaar. Ik denk dat er nu eerst verschillende studies Worden opgezet en gedaan. En uiteindelijk van de plank gekocht.
Natuurlijk zou het goed en mooi zijn als er weer een Europees gezamelijk gesteun toestel komt, maar die is dan voor na 2040.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/12/2015 | 09:31 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 21/12/2015 | 09:24 uur
Waarschijnlijk wordt de Duitse politiek voorgemasseerd voor de vervanging van de Tornado. Europees idee van start tot uiteindelijk vliegend model kost idd veel geld maar ook tijd. En tot 2030 is "maar" 15 jaar. Ik denk dat er nu eerst verschillende studies Worden opgezet en gedaan. En uiteindelijk van de plank gekocht.
Natuurlijk zou het goed en mooi zijn als er weer een Europees gezamelijk gesteun toestel komt, maar die is dan voor na 2040.

Ik denk ook eerlijk gezegd niet dat deze "gedachte" rondvliegt voor 2040, het zou derhalve mooi in de pas kunnen lopen, de Eurofighter heeft immers ook niet het eeuwige leven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/12/2015 | 09:38 uur
Vervolgens zien wat Duitsland met de kerntaak gaat doen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/12/2015 | 09:39 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 21/12/2015 | 09:38 uur
Vervolgens zien wat Duitsland met de kerntaak gaat doen.

Dat is idd ook een interessante.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/12/2015 | 09:46 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/12/2015 | 09:31 uur
Ik denk ook eerlijk gezegd niet dat deze "gedachte" rondvliegt voor 2040, het zou derhalve mooi in de pas kunnen lopen, de Eurofighter heeft immers ook niet het eeuwige leven.
De RAF gaat er al van uit dat hun Typhoon vloot omstreeks 2040 (misschien zelfs tot in de jaren 40) aan vervanging toe is. Dan zullen de Typhoons van de overige landen niet veel later volgen, tenzij een land voor een end life update gaat.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/12/2015 | 09:56 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 21/12/2015 | 09:46 uur
De RAF gaat er al van uit dat hun Typhoon vloot omstreeks 2040 (misschien zelfs tot in de jaren 40) aan vervanging toe is. Dan zullen de Duitse en Italiaanse Typhoons niet veel later volgen, tenzij een land voor een end life update gaat.



Willen ze Europees strategische capaciteiten (het bouwen van een eigen gevechtsvliegtuig is m.i. daar 1 van) behouden dan is het slim om nu de handen ineen te slaan en te komen tot een dergelijke intentie, zo niet dan wordt deze capaciteit de nek om gedraaid.

Wat mij betreft zou het mooiste zijn als we medio deze eeuw zouden kunnen kiezen uit een lichte en een (middel)zware optie van Europese makelij.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 21/12/2015 | 10:00 uur
Ben benieuwd waarom de Duitsers er toch nu al mee naar buiten komen. Eerdere geruchten duidden er op dat officiële mededelingen nog zeker een jaar zouden uitblijven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/12/2015 | 10:03 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/12/2015 | 09:56 uur
Willen ze Europees strategische capaciteiten (het bouwen van een eigen gevechtsvliegtuig is m.i. daar 1 van) behouden dan is het slim om nu de handen ineen te slaan en te komen tot een dergelijke intentie, zo niet dan wordt deze capaciteit de nek om gedraaid.

Wat mij betreft zou het mooiste zijn als we medio deze eeuw zouden kunnen kiezen uit een lichte en een (middel)zware optie van Europese makelij.
Dan moeten ze wel nu een begin maken. De ontwikkelingstijd van een nieuw type is er niet korter op geworden. Zoals je al aangaf is het wel een logische stap als de drie Europese fabrikanten/consortium gezamenlijk gaan ontwerpen.

Naast de CTOL versie kunnen ze dan ook een CATOBAR versie (als Rafale M vervanger) gaan ontwerpen  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 21/12/2015 | 10:04 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 21/12/2015 | 09:24 uur
Waarschijnlijk wordt de Duitse politiek voorgemasseerd voor de vervanging van de Tornado. Europees idee van start tot uiteindelijk vliegend model kost idd veel geld maar ook tijd. En tot 2030 is "maar" 15 jaar. Ik denk dat er nu eerst verschillende studies Worden opgezet en gedaan. En uiteindelijk van de plank gekocht.
Natuurlijk zou het goed en mooi zijn als er weer een Europees gezamelijk gesteun toestel komt, maar die is dan voor na 2040.

Misschien zijn die 'verschillende studies' al gedaan ;) . Een open politiek debat wil je zoveel mogelijk vermijden immers, je begint dus met je huiswerk.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/12/2015 | 10:05 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 21/12/2015 | 10:00 uur
Ben benieuwd waarom de Duitsers er toch nu al mee naar buiten komen. Eerdere geruchten duidden er op dat officiële mededelingen nog zeker een jaar zouden uitblijven.

Vanwege de dramatische vliegwaardigheid van de Duitse toestellen.... en/of het besef dat je maar zo 20 jaar verder bent?

En blijkbaar zoekt men de rol als lead nation.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/12/2015 | 10:07 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 21/12/2015 | 10:04 uur
Misschien zijn die 'verschillende studies' al gedaan ;) . Een open politiek debat wil je zoveel mogelijk vermijden immers, je begint dus met je huiswerk.

Is natuurlijk een goede mogelijkheid.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 21/12/2015 | 10:15 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/12/2015 | 10:05 uur
Vanwege de dramatische vliegwaardigheid van de Duitse toestellen.... en/of het besef dat je maar zo 20 jaar verder bent?

En blijkbaar zoekt men de rol als lead nation.

Er wordt al minimaal 2 jaar aan gewerkt. Maar wat ik me afvraag, waarom nu mee naar buiten komen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 21/12/2015 | 13:40 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 21/12/2015 | 10:04 uur
Misschien zijn die 'verschillende studies' al gedaan ;) . Een open politiek debat wil je zoveel mogelijk vermijden immers, je begint dus met je huiswerk.
Idd, waarschijnlijk weten ze bij de "luftwaffe" al wel wat ze willen en /of moeten, nu alleen nog de politiek. Een proces van jaren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 21/12/2015 | 17:39 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 21/12/2015 | 10:15 uur
Er wordt al minimaal 2 jaar aan gewerkt. Maar wat ik me afvraag, waarom nu mee naar buiten komen?
Ik neem aan dat je het hebt over onderzoek naar de benodigde specificaties en een haalbaarheid studie naar een eventueel nieuw ontwerp dat de Tornado kan vervangen.  De Britten en Italianen hebben daarvoor de F-35.
Dan zal men wel een volgende stap willen maken, door hun ideeën te verkopen aan politici.  Zodat die de vervanging in gang kunnen zetten.
IK denk echter dat er nooit een Europese bemande Tornado vervanger gaat komen.  En het is nog maar af te wachten of een technologie demonstrator zoals de NeuroN ooit ontwikkeld zal worden tot een productie rijpe UCAV.
Tenzij men in Europa echt de nationale hokjes geest opzij schuift en echt nauw gaat samenwerken.  De wonderen zijn de wereld nog niet uit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/12/2015 | 19:19 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 21/12/2015 | 17:39 uur
Tenzij men in Europa echt de nationale hokjes geest opzij schuift en echt nauw gaat samenwerken.  De wonderen zijn de wereld nog niet uit.

Toch zullen ze iets moeten wil een autonome Europese (fighter) industrie overleven, anders wordt- en blijft het shoppen bij de Amerikanen en/of de Aziaten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/12/2015 | 20:45 uur
F-35 not ruled out of Canadian fighter competition

By James Drew, Washington DC | 21 December 2015

Canada's new defence minister has pledged an "open process" for replacing the Royal Canadian Air Force's aging CF-18s, while not ruling the Lockheed Martin F-35 out of any future competition.

In a conference call from Erbil in northern Iraq today, Harjit Sajjan said replacing the nation's 77 Boeing CF-18A/Bs in a "timely manner" is his focus, not ruling a particular aircraft in or out.

"My focus is about replacing our CF-18, and we're going through a proper process to make sure we have the right requirements so we have the right capability, not only for our country but for how we relate to NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) and our commitments to NATO," says Sajjan, who assumed the role in November following a change of government.

"We're going to do this in a responsible manner."

Canada's Liberal government was explicit in its opposition to the Lightning II in the run-up to the October election, with the party's platform declaring, "We will not buy the F-35 stealth fighter-bomber".

The government has yet to launch its promised fighter competition, which is expected to favour a lower-cost aircraft optimised for the defence of North America over a "stealthy, first-strike capability".

Canada has participated in the joint strike fighter programme since 1997, and the former Harper government announced the purchase of 65 F-35s in 2010 without a formal competition.

Sajjan indicated that the new government would not actively block the F-35 from participating.

"The question always comes up about whether it's F-35 or another type of aircraft," he says. "This is not about the F-35. My mandate and my role is about replacing the F-18.

"We are committed to replacing the F-18s in a timely manner so that we do not create a capability gap that has been created in the past with our ships."

Canada's CF-18s were procured from 1982 to 1988, and the natural replacement would be the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet, which continues to be procured by the US Navy. Viable alternatives include the Boeing F-15SE Silent Eagle, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon or Saab Gripen.

F-35 joint programme chief Lt Gen Christopher Bogdan told US lawmakers in October that Canada's rejection of the F-35 could raise the cost per jet by $1 million.

That loss of 65 orders, none of which have been put on contract, might be offset by the Pentagon's plans to purchase 31 additional F-35Cs through 2021 over existing plans. Congress also approved $1.33 billion for 11 more F-35s in Fiscal 2016.

This week, the programme office announced that Lockheed met its production goal for 2015, delivering 45 aircraft: eight F-35Bs, eight F-35Cs and 29 F-35As.

Two F-35As were delivered to the Royal Norwegian Air Force, and Italy received its first locally-assembled example.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-35-not-ruled-out-of-canadian-fighter-competition-420264/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/12/2015 | 20:56 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 21/12/2015 | 20:45 uur
F-35 not ruled out of Canadian fighter competition


Geen verrassing... en het open gedeelte is ook BS gezien de uiteindelijke keuze die gemaakt zal worden tussen de F18E/F en F35A (misschien is de C gezien zijn betere bereik een alternatief)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/12/2015 | 21:13 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/12/2015 | 20:56 uur
Geen verrassing... en het open gedeelte is ook BS gezien de uiteindelijke keuze die gemaakt zal worden tussen de F18E/F en F35A (misschien is de C gezien zijn betere bereik een alternatief)
Ook de F-35A heeft een groter bereik t.o.v. de F/A-18A-D.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 21/12/2015 | 21:41 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 21/12/2015 | 17:39 uur
Ik neem aan dat je het hebt over onderzoek naar de benodigde specificaties en een haalbaarheid studie naar een eventueel nieuw ontwerp dat de Tornado kan vervangen. 
Klopt.

Citaat van: Poleme op 21/12/2015 | 17:39 uur
De Britten en Italianen hebben daarvoor de F-35.
Dan zal men wel een volgende stap willen maken, door hun ideeën te verkopen aan politici.  Zodat die de vervanging in gang kunnen zetten.
IK denk echter dat er nooit een Europese bemande Tornado vervanger gaat komen.  En het is nog maar af te wachten of een technologie demonstrator zoals de NeuroN ooit ontwikkeld zal worden tot een productie rijpe UCAV.
Tenzij men in Europa echt de nationale hokjes geest opzij schuift en echt nauw gaat samenwerken.  De wonderen zijn de wereld nog niet uit.

In ieder geval zijn ze zelf ook al niet al te hoopvol als het om positieve reacties gaat, anders begraaf je zoiets niet in het kerstrecess. Daarintegen, dat ze er nu mee naar buiten komen en niet in de zomer of volgend jaar geeft ook aan dat ze ofwel een kans zien wegslippen ofwel klaar zijn om de strijd van deze phase aan te gaan. Er kunnen nu veilig posities gepeild worden, dan kan het debat in Januari gaan branden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 22/12/2015 | 01:21 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/12/2015 | 20:56 uur
Geen verrassing... en het open gedeelte is ook BS gezien de uiteindelijke keuze die gemaakt zal worden tussen de F18E/F en F35A (misschien is de C gezien zijn betere bereik een alternatief)

Waarschijnlijk heb je gelijk, maar een Europese win zou toch fantastisch zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/12/2015 | 07:13 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 22/12/2015 | 01:21 uur
Waarschijnlijk heb je gelijk, maar een Europese win zou toch fantastisch zijn.

Zeker, het zou een geweldige opsteker zijn en een top verrassing.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 22/12/2015 | 09:51 uur
Is er ook een kans dat duitsland de F-35 van de plank koopt?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/12/2015 | 09:56 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 22/12/2015 | 09:51 uur
Is er ook een kans dat duitsland de F-35 van de plank koopt?

Het schijnt dat al eens een Duitse delegatie bij LM op de koffie is geweest...

De Duitsers alleen zie ik geen kist bouwen voor louter de Tornado vervanging, dan zijn 100 (fictief getal) F35 aanzienlijk goedkoper van de plank dan het circus van eigen ontwikkeling.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/12/2015 | 10:02 uur
Revealed: Don't Buy a Fighter Jet for Its Speed

A new report details what aircraft features will be the most valuble in the dogfights of the future.

Michael Peck - December 22, 2015

What can be seen can be destroyed, is an old battlefield proverb. And in the dogfight of the future, victory will go not to the swiftest jet, but the one with the best sensors.

That's where air combat is headed, according to a new study by the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. And if that forecast is correct, then this is good news for the beleaguered F-35, which has been criticized for mediocre flying performance, but whose stealth and sensors may allow it to ambush Chinese and Russian aircraft.

"This transformation may be steadily reducing the utility of some attributes traditionally asso­ciated with fighter aircraft (e.g., extreme speed and maneuverability) while increasing the value of attributes not usually associated with fighter aircraft (e.g., sensor and weapon payload as well as range)," concludes the study, written by CBSA researcher and former U.S. Air Force officer John Stillion.

That conclusion was based on a study of trends in air combat dating back to World War I, and which included a CSBA database of 1,467 reported (though probably not actual) aerial victories since 1965. From 1914 to 1965, the primary air-to-air sensor was the Mark I eyeball, and the primary air-to-air weapon was the machine gun or cannon. "The physical limitations of human vision give it a relatively short effective range as an air-to-air sensor of about 2 nauti­cal miles," the study notes, while machine guns and cannon required closing to within 50 to 500 meters of the target. Thus air combat was essentially a contest of situational awareness, with victory going to who spotted the enemy first, and many victims never seeing who shot them down. In other words, the most successful tactic was the aerial ambush.

Even through the 1970s, air combat was still a close-range affair. Yet by the 1980s, improved sensors, missiles, Identification Friend or Foe technology and airborne radar stations had transformed the turn-and-burn dogfight into 'Beyond Visual Range' battles where the opposing aircraft never saw each other. "Over the past two decades, the majority of aerial victories have been the result of BVR engage­ments where the victor almost always possessed advantages in sensor and weapon range and usually superior support from 'offboard information sources' such as GCI [ground control] radar operators or their airborne counterparts in Airborne Warning and Control Systems (AWACS) aircraft," according to the CSBA study, which suggests that the reason North Vietnamese pilots were more successful shooting down American planes in the Vietnam War than Iraqi pilots were in the Gulf War was much improved U.S. situational awareness in the latter conflict.

On the other hand, the speed of fighter aircraft has become much less important since 1965, the study finds. In 1914 or 1940, the faster aircraft could pounce on an unsuspecting prey before it could react. But with AWACS radar able to detect targets 200 miles away, and fighters equipped with their own advanced radar and infrared sensors, speed isn't as important as the ability to detect while avoiding detection. "These developments are likely to provide even better SA [situational awareness] and longer threat warning and set-up times in the future, because sensor and network capabilities tend to advance much more quickly than raw platform performance measures like fighter top speed, which has improved little over the past 50 years," CBSA says.

Based on these assumptions, the study concludes that the most important attributes of future fighter aircraft will be long-range sensors, stealth, datalink network connectivity and long-range air-to-air missiles. Most interestingly, Stillion argues that these characteristics are closer to those of bombers than fighters. "If this is true," he writes, "then a sixth-generation 'fighter' may have a platform that is similar to a future 'bomber' and may even be a modified version of a bomber airframe or the same aircraft with its payload optimized for the air-to-air mission. If this is correct, then the United States may be in position to save tens of billions of dollars in nonrecurring development costs by combining USAF and Navy future fighter development programs with each service's long-range ISR/strike programs."

Stillion makes a valid point. Aircraft design is a compromise, and if speed and maneuverability come at the expense of range, payload and stealth, then this is a bad trade if situational awareness is becoming the prime determinant of victory. On the other hand, one expects that all things being equal, a fast, maneuverable stealth jet will beat a slower, clumsier stealth jet. The question is whether all things will indeed be equal.

While the CBSA study barely mentioned the F-35, the controversial Lightning II is the poster child for the speed vs. stealth debate. If sensors and datalinks are king, then even if the F-35 is flawed, it is a step in the right direction. But if speed rules, then America is in trouble.

Michael Peck, a frequent contributor to the National Interest, is a defense and historical writer based in Oregon. His work has appeared in Foreign Policy, WarIsBoring and many other fine publications.

http://www.nationalinterest.org/feature/revealed-dont-buy-fighter-jet-its-speed-14701
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 22/12/2015 | 10:37 uur
Zou me ook niet verbazen als de Duitsers de Tornado en Typhoon-vervanging op een enkele hoop gooien en (dus nog tig jaar met de Tornado doorvliegen of een aantal Typhoons eerder uit dienst zullen nemen en bijv. voor reserve onderdelen gaan kannibaliseren) en dan met een Frans-Duits-Spaanse-Italiaanse vervanger komen ofzo.

Kan ook zijn dat men voor een UCAV kiest en in die richting juist extra investeerd, maar als men daar in de media net zo achterlijk tegen drones aankijkt als hier in Nederland (vaak) het geval is, en ik vermoed dat dat het geval is (mogelijk nog krampachtiger dan hier, als dat al mogelijk is), dan is dat ook weer niet zo waarschijnlijk.

Of men koopt een vervanger van de plank. Extra Typhoons van een nieuw te ontwikkelen tranche (4?)? Ik roep nu maar even wat. Die Tornado ECR's zijn meen ik ook vrij laat ontwikkeld door o.a. de Duitsers.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 22/12/2015 | 10:40 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/12/2015 | 09:56 uur
Het schijnt dat al eens een Duitse delegatie bij LM op de koffie is geweest...

De Duitsers alleen zie ik geen kist bouwen voor louter de Tornado vervanging, dan zijn 100 (fictief getal) F35 aanzienlijk goedkoper van de plank dan het circus van eigen ontwikkeling.

Het is ook maar de vraag hoe complex je het wil maken natuurlijk. Ga je je grotendeels baseren op bestaande technologie kom je een stuk goedkoper uit. Bovendien is er meer Europa, en een grote wereld buiten Europa. Daarbij, wat hebben de Italianen en Zweden dat de Duitsers niet hebben? Die lukt het wel namelijk.

Misschien komen er ook wel gewoon 100 typhoons bij. Of inderdaad wat F35's, opties genoeg.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/12/2015 | 10:45 uur
Citaat van: Mourning op 22/12/2015 | 10:37 uur
Die Tornado ECR's zijn meen ik ook vrij laat ontwikkeld door o.a. de Duitsers.
De ECR variant werd begin jaren 90 geleverd. Duitsland kreeg hun laatste Tornado IDS en ECR omstreeks 1992.

Twee vragen zijn belangrijk. Gaat Duitsland uit van 2025 (vervanging kopen van de plank) en behouden zij de kerntaak (F-35 en heel misschien F/A-18E/F)?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/12/2015 | 10:50 uur
Citaat van: Mourning op 22/12/2015 | 10:37 uur
Zou me ook niet verbazen als de Duitsers de Tornado en Typhoon-vervanging op een enkele hoop gooien en (dus nog tig jaar met de Tornado doorvliegen of een aantal Typhoons eerder uit dienst zullen nemen en bijv. voor reserve onderdelen gaan kannibaliseren) en dan met een Frans-Duits-Spaanse-Italiaanse vervanger komen ofzo.

Kan ook zijn dat men voor een UCAV kiest en in die richting juist extra investeerd, maar als men daar in de media net zo achterlijk tegen drones aankijkt als hier in Nederland (vaak) het geval is, en ik vermoed dat dat het geval is (mogelijk nog krampachtiger dan hier, als dat al mogelijk is), dan is dat ook weer niet zo waarschijnlijk.

Of men koopt een vervanger van de plank. Extra Typhoons van een nieuw te ontwikkelen tranche (4?)? Ik roep nu maar even wat. Die Tornado ECR's zijn meen ik ook vrij laat ontwikkeld door o.a. de Duitsers.



Persoonlijk hoop ik dat de Tornado/EF vervanging op één hoop wordt gegooid, het zou wat mij betreft de meest logische optie zijn. Een tranche 4 EF zou killing zijn voor de fighter (export) industrie, daarmee geef je de huidige positie op aan de concurrentie buiten (west) Europa.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/12/2015 | 10:52 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 22/12/2015 | 10:45 uur
Twee vragen zijn belangrijk. Gaat Duitsland uit van 2025 (vervanging kopen van de plank) en behouden zij de kerntaak (F-35 en heel misschien F/A-18E/F)?

Als ze van de plank kopen mbt de kerntaak dan is er vanaf 2025 slechts één optie (zoals het er nu naar uit ziet)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 22/12/2015 | 10:54 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 22/12/2015 | 10:45 uur
De ECR variant werd begin jaren 90 geleverd. Duitsland kreeg hun laatste Tornado IDS en ECR omstreeks 1992.

Twee vragen zijn belangrijk. Gaat Duitsland uit van 2025 (vervanging kopen van de plank) en behouden zij de kerntaak (F-35 en heel misschien F/A-18E/F)?

Of integreren ze de B61 op een ander type.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/12/2015 | 10:54 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 22/12/2015 | 10:54 uur
Of integreren ze de B61 op een ander type.

Is ze tenslotte ook gelukt met de Tornado.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/12/2015 | 10:59 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 22/12/2015 | 10:54 uur
Of integreren ze de B61 op een ander type.
Dat is aan de VS. Zelfs met de Duitse en Italiaanse Typhoons is dit niet gebeurd, terwijl hun Tornado's de B61-3 en B61-4 kunnen afwerpen, vanwege de kerntaak van beide landen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 22/12/2015 | 11:04 uur
Als onze oosterbuur +- 100 F-35's zou aanschaffen zouden we mooi kunnen samenwerken bij opleiding en kan woensdrecht er nog meer onderhouden
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 22/12/2015 | 11:20 uur
Dat aantal van 100 zal ter discussie worden gesteld (voorspelling). Zeker als het de F35A wordt (tegen die tijd waarschijnlijk een sterk verbeterde F35A), waarbij er veel centjes rechtstreeks Duitsland uitgaan, zelfs bij grootschalige compensatieorders. Maar ook voor andere toestellen zal dat aantal vermoed ik gewoon lager worden omdat de vervangers van toestellen bij elke generatie in aantal afnemen i.v.m. de altijd toenemende aankoop en vooral de toenemende instandhoudings/onderhoudskosten van nieuwe toestellen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 22/12/2015 | 11:27 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/12/2015 | 09:56 uur
Het schijnt dat al eens een Duitse delegatie bij LM op de koffie is geweest...

De Duitsers alleen zie ik geen kist bouwen voor louter de Tornado vervanging, dan zijn 100 (fictief getal) F35 aanzienlijk goedkoper van de plank dan het circus van eigen ontwikkeling.

Misschien kunnen zij ze ook leasen van onze KLU. 😈
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/12/2015 | 11:28 uur
Citaat van: Mourning op 22/12/2015 | 11:20 uur
Maar ook voor andere toestellen zal dat aantal vermoed ik gewoon lager worden omdat de vervangers van toestellen bij elke generatie in aantal afnemen i.v.m. de altijd toenemende aankoop en vooral de toenemende instandhoudings/onderhoudskosten van nieuwe toestellen.
Het is ook de vraag of beide Tornado Wings (Tactical Air Force Wings 33 en 51) vervanging krijgen. Als slechts één Wing vervanging krijgt, dan zit het aantal rond de 50 stuks.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ros op 22/12/2015 | 11:38 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 22/12/2015 | 11:27 uur
Misschien kunnen zij ze ook leasen van onze KLU. 😈

Alle 8..... :devil:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/12/2015 | 11:42 uur
Citaat van: Ros op 22/12/2015 | 11:38 uur
Alle 8..... :devil:

Wel bij de les blijven hé.... inmiddels zitten we op 10 (waarvan 8 in bestelling)  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/12/2015 | 11:44 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/12/2015 | 11:42 uur
Wel bij de les blijven hé.... inmiddels zitten we op 10 (waarvan 8 in bestelling)  :angel:
Niet zeggen joh  ;) Dan wil Ros Duitsland alle 10 laten leasen  :lol:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/12/2015 | 11:51 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 22/12/2015 | 11:44 uur
Niet zeggen joh  ;) Dan wil Ros Duitsland alle 10 laten leasen  :lol:

Oeps  :crazy:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ros op 22/12/2015 | 12:39 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 22/12/2015 | 11:44 uur
Niet zeggen joh  ;) Dan wil Ros Duitsland alle 10 laten leasen  :lol:

Dank voor de tip........alle 10 dus  :cute-smile: Als ze die tweedehandse willen hebben tenminste.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/12/2015 | 13:38 uur
Czech Republic to Upgrade Its Gripen Aircraft

Swedish Defence and Security Export Agency | December 22, 2015

Today the Swedish Defence and Security Export Agency (FXM) has signed an agreement to upgrade the JAS 39 Gripen aircraft that the Czech Republic leases from Sweden. The value of the contract is SEK 120 million.

The upgrade for the Czech Republic will increase the aircraft's ground attack capabilities through the integration of guided and unguided bombs. This provides the Czech Air Force with a greater capacity for precision attack of ground targets. The agreement also includes weapon pylons, software and training.

"This is very beneficial for the Czech Air Force. With this upgrade the Czech Republic enhances its capabilities significantly and takes advantage of Gripen's capabilities to an even greater extent," says Marcus Hallberg, Project Manager at FXM.

The first leasing agreement for 14 Gripen C/D aircraft was signed with the Czech Republic in 2004. In 2014, FXM signed an agreement with the Czech Republic to extend the leasing agreement from the original 10 years until at least 2027. The Czech Republic was the first NATO member to fly Gripen.

FXM is responsible, until the end of 2015, for Sweden's Gripen contracts with Hungary, the Czech Republic and Thailand. The Agency is currently also negotiating with Brazil and Slovakia on Gripen procurements.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/170042/czech-republic-to-upgrade-its-gripen-fighters.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/12/2015 | 10:06 uur
Saab pitches for joint development of Sea Gripen fighter jets

By PTI | 27 Dec, 2015

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/50340519.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 27/12/2015 | 11:17 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/12/2015 | 10:06 uur
Saab pitches for joint development of Sea Gripen fighter jets

By PTI | 27 Dec, 2015

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/50340519.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
Als het met de Indiers moet gebeuren zie ik niet veel gebeuren...
Alles dat zij doen is een traject waarvoor je een lange adem nodig hebt, en dan nog.
Kijk naar de "Rafale deal"...
SAAB heeft pech dat het de Brazilianen nu niet meer zo goed gaat op economisch vlak en dat dat zo zijn gevolgen heeft voor defensie daar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/12/2015 | 11:50 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 27/12/2015 | 11:17 uur
Als het met de Indiers moet gebeuren zie ik niet veel gebeuren...
Alles dat zij doen is een traject waarvoor je een lange adem nodig hebt, en dan nog.
Kijk naar de "Rafale deal"...
SAAB heeft pech dat het de Brazilianen nu niet meer zo goed gaat op economisch vlak en dat dat zo zijn gevolgen heeft voor defensie daar.

Het zal een lastig verhaal worden, aan de andere kant er is wel ruimte voor een lichte carrier variant, er zijn immers een aantal landen die iets "moeten" en de westerse keuze is enig sinds beperkt of een brug te ver.

De Braziliaanse out look voor de Gripen E is recent bijgesteld van 100 naar maximaal 40, is hier nog ruimte is voor een carrier variant?

Misschien zou een SG een interessante aanvulling kunnen zijn op de Britse Elizabeth class carrier of een alternatief voor de Italianen op hun Cavour?

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/12/2015 | 12:01 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/12/2015 | 11:50 uur
De Braziliaanse out look voor de Gripen E is recent bijgesteld van 100 naar maximaal 40, is hier nog ruimte is voor een carrier variant?

Misschien zou een SG een interessante aanvulling kunnen zijn op de Britse Elizabeth class carrier of een alternatief voor de Italianen op hun Cavour?
Is Brazilië financieel wel in staat om de São Paulo te vervangen? De Braziliaanse Skyhawks worden gemoderniseerd en blijven zeer mogelijk tot en met 2028 in dienst.

http://www.janes.com/article/51744/first-upgraded-skyhawk-jet-handed-over-to-brazil

Een CATOBAR uitvoering van de Cavour klinkt interessant. Wie weet zou het na verbouwing (als dit al mogelijk is) een soort moderne HMS Victorious kunnen zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/12/2015 | 12:12 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/12/2015 | 12:01 uur

Een CATOBAR uitvoering van de Cavour klinkt interessant. Wie weet zou het na verbouwing (als dit al mogelijk is) een soort moderne HMS Victorious kunnen zijn.


"The Sea Gripen is intended for both CATOBAR as well as STOBAR operations"

http://www.gripenblogs.com/Lists/Tags/Tag.aspx?TagId=25&Name=Sea+Gripen
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/12/2015 | 12:14 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/12/2015 | 12:12 uur
"The Sea Gripen is intended for both CATOBAR as well as STOBAR operations"

http://www.gripenblogs.com/Lists/Tags/Tag.aspx?TagId=25&Name=Sea+Gripen
Ook voor STOBAR operaties heeft de Cavour een hoekdek nodig. Het zou handig zijn om weten wat er aan de Cavour kan worden verbouwd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 27/12/2015 | 14:36 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/12/2015 | 11:50 uur
Het zal een lastig verhaal worden, aan de andere kant er is wel ruimte voor een lichte carrier variant, er zijn immers een aantal landen die iets "moeten" en de westerse keuze is enig sinds beperkt of een brug te ver.

De Braziliaanse out look voor de Gripen E is recent bijgesteld van 100 naar maximaal 40, is hier nog ruimte is voor een carrier variant?

Misschien zou een SG een interessante aanvulling kunnen zijn op de Britse Elizabeth class carrier of een alternatief voor de Italianen op hun Cavour?

Ik vraag me af of de outlook van 100 ooit iet anders dan een best case is geweest, en als zodanig niet nog steeds gewoon staat. Modernisering van de AMX en A4 stonden toen al op het programma, en een dergelijk grote groei van de luchtmacht is niet waarschijnlijk. Maar groei potentieel boven de huidige order is er m.i. zeker. De vraag is hoe de Braziliaanse dreigingsperceptie zich ontwikkeld. Ze zullen hoe dan ook de komende paar jaar geen stappen zetten, ze kunnen het toestel nu uitgebreid testen voor ze beslissen hoe ze verder gaan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/12/2015 | 09:51 uur
Russian PAK FA to be Equipped With Futuristic Photonic Radar

Sputnik Military & Intelligence | 30 December 2015

Russia's fifth-generation fighter PAK FA (T-50) may be equipped with an advanced radar which is currently being developed by a Russian corporation.

The radar will be based on Radio-Optical Phased Arrays (ROFAR), explained the adviser of the first deputy general director of concern Radio-Electronic Technology (KRET) Vladimir Mikheev.

KRET is a part of Russia's Rostec corporation, it developed the electronic systems for the aircraft.

The future radar will be based on the photonic technology that greatly expands the possibilities of communication and radar as their weight will be decreased by more than half and the resolution will increase tenfold.

The ultra-wideband ROFAR signal allows one to virtually get a TV picture on a radar range. Radio photonic technology, in particular, will enhance the capabilities of the latest generation of Russian airplanes and helicopters.

"After our work on ROFAR, a list of aircrafts both manned and unmanned will be presented with an offer to be equipped with the radar based on radio-optical phased arrays. I think that the PAK FA will also be on this list and there will be specific proposals given to it," Mikheyev told reporters, adding that the final decision will be taken by the Department of Defense.

The developer of ROFAR, KRET has established a laboratory on radio photonics. The concern has already started to perform laboratory tests to create ROFAR. Designed to be finished in 4.5 years, the project remains on schedule, which was agreed on with the Foundation for Advanced Studies.

As was earlier reported by the Deputy CEO of KRET, Igor Nasenkov, the company intends to establish a full-scale sample of the future radar by 2018.

"The PAK FA is a fifth-generation aircraft, with a number of brand-new technologies used in its development. It is a 100 percent digital aircraft. It can provide full information support to the pilot. The aircraft is equipped with versatile antenna systems built in its covering," Nasenkov said during the Dubai Airshow 2015.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151230/1032493933/russia-aviation-pak-fa-radar.html#ixzz3vt1BeuWr

Tech at Its Best: PAK FA Named 'Game-Changing' Aircraft of the 21st Century

Sputnik Military & Intelligence | 30 December 2015

The Sukhoi T-50 (PAK FA), Russia's stealthy fifth-generation fighter, has been named as one of the best warplanes the world has ever seen in a list of "the most game-changing" aircraft compiled by Business Insider.

"Though still in prototype, Moscow thinks the Su-50 will ultimately be able to outperform the F-35 on key metrics including speed and maneuverability. The stealth capabilities of the Su-50, however, are believed to be below those of the F-22 and the F-35," the media outlet observed.

Earlier this year, defense analyst Dave Majumdar expressed the same idea when he compared the T-50 and the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor, the first fifth-generation jet in Washington's arsenal. Both planes have a lot in common and could come out victorious in an aerial battle. The F-22 is indeed superior when it comes to stealth.

The T-50, Russia's response to America's most advanced aircraft Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II, is a single-seat, twin-engine multirole fighter designed for air superiority and attack roles. The aircraft is expected to replace the aging Mikoyan MiG-29 and Sukhoi Su-27.

Reports suggest that the T-50 will enter service in late 2016 or early 2017.

"Once the plane is combat-ready, it will serve as a base model for the construction of further variants intended for export. India is already co-designing a Su-50 variant with Russia, and Iran and South Korea are possible candidates to buy future models of the plane," the media outlet noted.

The Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II and the F-22 top the Business Insider's list. The F-35 was meant to be the best aircraft ever built but things have not gone exactly as planned.

"Problems with everything from the plane's software system to its engines has both delayed its deployment and contributed to its astronomical price tag. And it isn't nearly as effective in some of its roles as existing aircraft," the media outlet noted.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151230/1032507588/t50-pak-fa-f35.html#ixzz3vt1sKxSx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 31/12/2015 | 12:39 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 31/12/2015 | 09:51 uur
Russian PAK FA to be Equipped With Futuristic Photonic Radar
Weer een stapje dichterbij de Photon Torpedos...  ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/01/2016 | 10:54 uur
Algeria to buy Su-32 (export designation for Su-34)

In an interview with Vedomosti, the director of Novosibirsk Aircraft Production Association revealed that Rosoboronexport has received an order from Algeria to buy the Su-32 – export designation for the Su-34 fighter-bomber.

http://alert5.com/2016/01/01/algeria-to-buy-su-32-export-designation-for-su-34/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/01/2016 | 12:09 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/01/2016 | 10:54 uur
Algeria to buy Su-32 (export designation for Su-34)


Gelukkig wordt het gehele Midden Oosten en de Noordelijke rand van Afrika met "minderwaardig" materieel voorzien in kleine aantallen, het geeft ons een reden om rustig achterover te hangen... of...

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/01/2016 | 12:33 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/01/2016 | 12:09 uur
Gelukkig wordt het gehele Midden Oosten en de Noordelijke rand van Afrika met "minderwaardig" materieel voorzien in kleine aantallen, het geeft ons een reden om rustig achterover te hangen... of...
Weet niet of je je zorgen moet maken specifiek vanwege de Su-32 aanschaf. Volgens het World Air Forces 2015 overzicht van Flightglobal.com heeft Algarije al 44 stuks van de Su-30.

Hoe zijn de diplomatieke betrekkingen met Algarije?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 01/01/2016 | 13:02 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 01/01/2016 | 12:33 uur
Hoe zijn de diplomatieke betrekkingen met Algarije?

Sinds 1992 kondigde Algerije de noodtoestand af; een situatie die nog steeds van kracht is. Acht jaar lang kwamen er bijna geen buitenlandse reizigers meer naar het land; nu komt het toerisme aarzelend weer op gang.

Algerije heeft weinig samenwerkingsverbanden met de Europese Unie omdat ze nog steeds mensenrechten schenden

http://www.klap.net/vogelvlucht/algerije/algerije.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/01/2016 | 13:36 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 01/01/2016 | 12:33 uur
Weet niet of je je zorgen moet maken specifiek vanwege de Su-32 aanschaf. Volgens het World Air Forces 2015 overzicht van Flightglobal.com heeft Algarije al 44 stuks van de Su-30.

Hoe zijn de diplomatieke betrekkingen met Algarije?

Geen zorgen specifiek voor Algerije, het gaat meer om de totale regio aan de Noord kant van Afrika en het volledige Midden Oosten waar men de buidel aardig trekt voor systemen die wij ons niet willen veroorloven. Systemen die, als we pech hebben, in de komende jaren op ons "to do" lijstje staan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 01/01/2016 | 14:09 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/01/2016 | 13:36 uur
Geen zorgen specifiek voor Algerije, het gaat meer om de totale regio aan de Noord kant van Afrika en het volledige Midden Oosten waar men de buidel aardig trekt voor systemen die wij ons niet willen veroorloven. Systemen die, als we pech hebben, in de komende jaren op ons "to do" lijstje staan.
Zie oa: http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_60021.htm?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 01/01/2016 | 14:46 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/01/2016 | 13:36 uur
Geen zorgen specifiek voor Algerije, het gaat meer om de totale regio aan de Noord kant van Afrika en het volledige Midden Oosten waar men de buidel aardig trekt voor systemen die wij ons niet willen veroorloven. Systemen die, als we pech hebben, in de komende jaren op ons "to do" lijstje staan.
+1
Al is het wel zo dat de beschikbaarheid van de systemen snel zal dalen zodra wij onze support terugtrekken
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 01/01/2016 | 18:16 uur
the F-15C Pod That Will Change How the Air Force Fights

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The new Talon HATE pod comprises both a communications node, interfacing with several different systems, and a long-range visual sensor thanks to the Infrared Search and Track system (IRST) fitted to its forward tip.

One of the most important programs that the U.S. Air Force is undertaking is far from glamorous and comes with a funny name: Talon HATE. But this podded system will be vital for eliminating communications barriers between the F-22 and F-15C/D fleets, as well as other weapon systems. It's showing for the first time on the belly of an Operational Test F-15C flying out of Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada. Here's how it works.

The F-15 is no stranger when it comes to evolving with the times, and Boeing is doing just that with this new communications and sensor pod system.

The Talon HATE (and by the way, nobody seems to know what that stands for) system includes air-to-air, air-to-ground and satellite data links. Not only will this large pod work as an essential communications bridge and data-fusion center, but it also provides America's F-15C/D Eagle fleet with a serious sensor enhancement via the installation of an Infrared Search and Track system (IRST) at the 17 foot-long, 1,800 pound pod's forward tip.

Talon HATE will work in a very similar way as the Air Force's Battlefield Airborne Communications Node (BACN), which is currently deployed on Air Force E-11 and EQ-4 as well as NASA WB-57 aircraft today, but in a tactical instead of strategic one.

Boeing describes the Talon HATE system as such:

"Scheduled to be initially carried by F-15C fighter aircraft, the pod combines information from fourth and fifth-generation fighter aircraft, national sources and joint command and control assets.

"The system assimilates information in real-time from multiple domains. The data will then be transmitted over a common data-link for use by joint aircraft, ships and ground stations, improving communication and information sharing across the battlefield."

The single operational picture formed by Talon HATE is claimed to provide soldiers with a capability to more efficiently engage and defend against 'next-generation' threats.

Basically it's a fighter-mounted universal translator, data-fusion center, and router that takes various data-links' waveforms and "languages," and fuses their information into a single common picture. It then rebroadcasts that common picture multiple waveforms and "languages" so that everyone in the battlespace is on the same page and can exploit a much more detailed rendering of where the enemy is and where the good guys are.

This will allow American F-15C/D and other so-called "legacy" fighters, allied aircraft, ships, and ground and command-and-control assets that use MIDS/JTIDS Link 16 data links common to NATO countries to see what the F-22 sees. It does this by receiving and translating the F-22's proprietary and stealthy Intra-flight data link (FIDL) transmissions into data the MIDS/Link 16 data link terminals can display. (end of excerpt)

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/170122/a-new-f_15c-pod-will-change-how-the-us-air-force-fights.html

Volledig artikel :
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/here-s-the-first-shot-of-the-f-15c-pod-that-will-change-1750314539?rev=1451511678726
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 02/01/2016 | 00:08 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/01/2016 | 13:36 uur
Geen zorgen specifiek voor Algerije, het gaat meer om de totale regio aan de Noord kant van Afrika en het volledige Midden Oosten waar men de buidel aardig trekt voor systemen die wij ons niet willen veroorloven. Systemen die, als we pech hebben, in de komende jaren op ons "to do" lijstje staan.

Ze doen hun best, maar ons inhalen is echt nog een hele weg.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/01/2016 | 00:41 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 02/01/2016 | 00:08 uur
Ze doen hun best, maar ons inhalen is echt nog een hele weg.

Niet als je onze afbraak politiek in de vergelijking mee neemt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 02/01/2016 | 09:37 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 02/01/2016 | 00:08 uur
Ze doen hun best, maar ons inhalen is echt nog een hele weg.

Inhalen is heel goed mogelijk in 15 a 20 jaar dat hangt ook af van het budget wat Algerije aan Defensie heeft te besteden.
Ze zijn in ieder geval wel goed bezig.


http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2014-news/december-2014-navy-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-security-global-news/2272-german-built-meko-a-200-an-frigate-for-algerian-navy-launched-by-tkms-in-kiel.html

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2015-news/july-2015-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/2918-powerful-german-built-meko-a-200-an-frigate-for-algerian-navy-to-start-sea-trials.html

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=25427:algeria-buying-chinese-frigates&catid=51:Sea&Itemid=106

http://cimsec.org/rapid-growth-of-the-algerian-navy/15396

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2014-news/january-2014-navy-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-security-global-news/1477-italian-shipyard-fincantieri-launched-algerian-navy-future-amphibious-ship-bdsl-program.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 02/01/2016 | 10:30 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 02/01/2016 | 09:37 uur
Inhalen is heel goed mogelijk in 15 a 20 jaar dat hangt ook af van het budget wat Algerije aan Defensie heeft te besteden.
Ze zijn in ieder geval wel goed bezig.

Ja, Nederland. Maar niet 'Europa' laat staan 'het westen'. Zelfs met al hun plannen is alleen Spanje al in staat om de Algerijnen in te tomen. Laat staan als de rest van Europa mee doet.

Allemaal mooi spul hoor, die SU30 en SU32, maar niets wat we niet aankunnen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 02/01/2016 | 11:28 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/01/2016 | 13:36 uur
Geen zorgen specifiek voor Algerije, het gaat meer om de totale regio aan de Noord kant van Afrika en het volledige Midden Oosten waar men de buidel aardig trekt voor systemen die wij ons niet willen veroorloven. Systemen die, als we pech hebben, in de komende jaren op ons "to do" lijstje staan.

Vraag me af of dit klopt. Mooi ding hoor, zo'n SU32, maar als ik zo een beetje rondgoogle dan vraag ik mij af of deze nu echt iets kan dat een Rafale bijvoorbeeld niet kan. Akkoord, de Rus neemt wat meer explosieven mee, maar zij vliegen volgens mij toch al met zwaardere wapens, terwijl wij inmiddels over een brede keuze aan zéér goede 'smart bombs' beschikken. En aangezien het uiteindelijk om operationeel effect gaat, zou het dus wel eens niet zover uit elkaar hoeven liggen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/01/2016 | 11:54 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 02/01/2016 | 11:28 uur
Vraag me af of dit klopt. Mooi ding hoor, zo'n SU32, maar als ik zo een beetje rondgoogle dan vraag ik mij af of deze nu echt iets kan dat een Rafale bijvoorbeeld niet kan. Akkoord, de Rus neemt wat meer explosieven mee, maar zij vliegen volgens mij toch al met zwaardere wapens, terwijl wij inmiddels over een brede keuze aan zéér goede 'smart bombs' beschikken. En aangezien het uiteindelijk om operationeel effect gaat, zou het dus wel eens niet zover uit elkaar hoeven liggen.

Zeker, dat is ook niet het punt... punt is de explosieve groei van moderne fighters, in type en in aantal, in de regio, variërend van F15SA tot Rafale en van SU32 tot SU30...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/01/2016 | 11:58 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 02/01/2016 | 11:28 uur
Vraag me af of dit klopt. Mooi ding hoor, zo'n SU32, maar als ik zo een beetje rondgoogle dan vraag ik mij af of deze nu echt iets kan dat een Rafale bijvoorbeeld niet kan.
De Su-34 en de afgeleide Su-32 moet je zien als de Russische versie van de F-15E Strike Eagle. Beide vervangen respectievelijk de Su-24 en de F-111.

De Rafale kan veel, maar is nooit ontworpen om als alternatief voor boven genoemde types te dienen.

Edit. De Su-32 zou uiteindelijk de Algerijnse Su-24's kunnen vervangen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 02/01/2016 | 12:17 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/01/2016 | 11:54 uur
Zeker, dat is ook niet het punt... punt is de explosieve groei van moderne fighters, in type en in aantal, in de regio, variërend van F15SA tot Rafale en van SU32 tot SU30...
Dat is idd het probleem
Net als al het andere moderne materiaal wat wij ze verstrekken
Al verwacht ik wel dat de inzetbaarheid van dit soort materiaal drastisch zal afnemen zodra wij onze technische support terugtrekken
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/01/2016 | 12:39 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 02/01/2016 | 12:17 uur
Dat is idd het probleem
Net als al het andere moderne materiaal wat wij ze verstrekken
Al verwacht ik wel dat de inzetbaarheid van dit soort materiaal drastisch zal afnemen zodra wij onze technische support terugtrekken

Ongetwijfeld, daarom ook het wedden op het Westerse-en Russische paard.

Bijzonder is wel wat Iran voor elkaar heeft gekregen met bijvoorbeeld haar F14's...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 02/01/2016 | 12:50 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 02/01/2016 | 11:58 uur
De Su-34 en de afgeleide Su-32 moet je zien als de Russische versie van de F-15E Strike Eagle. Beide vervangen respectievelijk de Su-24 en de F-111.

De Rafale kan veel, maar is nooit ontworpen om als alternatief voor boven genoemde types te dienen.

Edit. De Su-32 zou uiteindelijk de Algerijnse Su-24's kunnen vervangen.
Kom, we gaan even terug naar de F-16 vervanger evaluatie van de KLu uit 2000 - 2002.
De KLu wil haar F-16's graag vervangen door een kist die hoofdzakelijk op relatief lange afstand een grote lading nauwkeurig en all-weather kan afwerpen.  Zeg maar hetzelfde concept als de F-15E Strike Eagle, maar dan in een kleiner, lichter en veel goedkoper bedoeld formaat.  Uiteindelijk krijgt de F-35A een Max Take Off Weight gelijk aan de F-15C.

Dan ga je de (in het geval van de F-35A, oorspronkelijke en papieren) specificaties van de Rafale en F-35A bestuderen.  En die hadden me toch een hoop gemeen !  Niet alleen op het gebied van prestaties, maar ook vaardigheden en zelfs de logistieke 'voetafdruk' waren bijna gelijk.
En die hebben weer een hoop gemeen met de F-15E Strike Eagle.

Want dat zijn de lessen uit ops Desert Storm.
F-16C's stonden in de woestijn stof te verzamelen.   Terwijl er een tekort was aan types zoals de A-6 Intruder, F-111 en Bucanneer.
Dus werden de A-10A Warthogs van de CAS taak afgehaald en ingezet als lange afstand interdictie bommenwerper.
Daar ga met een kruissnelheid van circa 650 km/u op veel lagere hoogte vliegend dan bovengenoemde types, want daar is tie niet voor ontworpen en op een ca. 4+ a 6 uur durende missie.
En dan moet je ook niet raar opkijken als je dan relatief veel Warthogs gaat verliezen en relatief veel terugkomen met gevecht schade.
En dan is de US Air Force nog zo achterlijk, om na deze Golfoorlog te pleiten voor een supersonische vervanger van die blijkbaar meer veelzijdiger A-10A.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 02/01/2016 | 12:51 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/01/2016 | 12:39 uur
Ongetwijfeld, daarom ook het wedden op het Westerse-en Russische paard.

Bijzonder is wel wat Iran voor elkaar heeft gekregen met bijvoorbeeld haar F14's...

Is dat zo? Zouden die toestellen eigenlijk wel operationeel effectief zijn? Of misschien eerder vergelijkbaar met een Joegoslavische MIG29?
Vliegen is 1, er militaire operaties mee uit kunnen voeren een heel ander verhaal. De F4 en F5 zullen makkelijker zijn, omdat die door breder gebruik een groter aantal ready upgrades hebben van alternatieve suppliers.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/01/2016 | 12:53 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 02/01/2016 | 12:51 uur
Is dat zo? Zouden die toestellen eigenlijk wel operationeel effectief zijn? Of misschien eerder vergelijkbaar met een Joegoslavische MIG29?
Vliegen is 1, er militaire operaties mee uit kunnen voeren een heel ander verhaal. De F4 en F5 zullen makkelijker zijn, omdat die door breder gebruik een groter aantal ready upgrades hebben van alternatieve suppliers.

Recent zijn nog foto's opgedoken van Iraanse F14's boven Syrië... Natuurlijk zegt dit niets over de huidige capaciteiten anders dan dat ze kunnen vliegen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2016 | 19:39 uur
India Confirms Order for IAF's Rafale Deal With France

By IANS

Published: 04th January 2016

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/India-Confirms-Order-for-IAFs-Rafale-Deal-With-France/2016/01/04/article3211447.ece
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 04/01/2016 | 20:35 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/01/2016 | 12:53 uur
Recent zijn nog foto's opgedoken van Iraanse F14's boven Syrië... Natuurlijk zegt dit niets over de huidige capaciteiten anders dan dat ze kunnen vliegen.

Als dit klopt, ze zullen daar niet voor de show vliegen. Betekend dus in ieder geval dat ze iets kunnen anders dan airshows.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2016 | 21:03 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 04/01/2016 | 20:35 uur
Als dit klopt, ze zullen daar niet voor de show vliegen. Betekend dus in ieder geval dat ze iets kunnen anders dan airshows.

Watch this video of Iranian F-14 Tomcats escorting a Russian Tu-95 bomber during air strike in Syria

Nov 20 2015

http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/20/iriaf-f-14s-escort-ruaf-tu-95/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 04/01/2016 | 21:07 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2016 | 21:03 uur
Watch this video of Iranian F-14 Tomcats escorting a Russian Tu-95 bomber during air strike in Syria

Nov 20 2015

http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/20/iriaf-f-14s-escort-ruaf-tu-95/

Ok, zonder wapens zo te zien. Maar inderdaad vliegen doen ze nog.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/01/2016 | 22:07 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2016 | 19:39 uur
India Confirms Order for IAF's Rafale Deal With France

By IANS

Published: 04th January 2016

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/India-Confirms-Order-for-IAFs-Rafale-Deal-With-France/2016/01/04/article3211447.ece

Het zal tijd worden dat de Indiase Rafale aanschaf wordt bevestigd. Van uitstel komt meestal afstel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2016 | 22:19 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 04/01/2016 | 22:07 uur
Het zal tijd worden dat de Indiase Rafale aanschaf wordt bevestigd. Van uitstel komt meestal afstel.

Exact, nu maar afwachten of het uiteindelijk meer dan 36 worden... en eventueel, in een later stadium, de marine variant. Time will tell.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/01/2016 | 09:48 uur
Russia receives its first ordered MiG-29SMTs

Nicholas de Larrinaga, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly | 04 January 2016

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Russia has begun receiving the first of the 16 MiG-29SMT fighter aircraft it ordered in April 2014. Source: RAC MiG

Russia has received the first of the MiG-29SMT 'Fulcrum' multirole fighter aircraft that it ordered in April 2014, MiG Corporation has reported.

The extra 16 aircraft were ordered for the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) as a stop-gap measure to compensate for delays to the MiG-35S aircraft that still has yet to be ordered. It is believed that the 16 extra MiG-29s are divided between 14 MiG-29SMT fighters and two MiG-29UB trainers.

The first aircraft were delivered in late December to the Astrakhan-Privolzhskiy airbase, where the 116th Training Centre of Combat Applications of the Russian Air Force is headquartered.

The number of aircraft delivered to the training centre wasn't disclosed in the MiG report, although photos on Russian aviation sites indicate at least two MiG-29SMT aircraft (Bort: Blue 20 and Blue 21) and maybe four aircraft, along with a single MiG-29UB trainer (Bort: Blue 50) were delivered to the centre in December. MiG did note that deliveries of all 16 aircraft should be completed by the end of the year.

Russia already operates 28 MiG-29SMT fighters, although it did not order them. Instead, they were diverted into Russian service after their intended recipient, Algeria (which had ordered 36 of the aircraft), rejected them due to quality concerns. Unlike the aircraft built for Algeria, the aircraft ordered for the VKS are fitted with an internal electronic warfare (EW) suite, according to the MiG report.

Visually the MiG-29SMT can be most easily identified by an extended spine (beyond the extension first seen in the MiG-29S) to include extra fuel. This doubles the aircraft's air-to-air mission radius to 836 n miles (1,550 km; 963 miles). It was originally offered as an upgrade package for older 9.12 and 9.13 MiG-29 airframes to include many of the avionics and systems enhancements of the new MiG-29M family, but not its lighter aluminium-lithium alloy 9.15 airframe.

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http://www.janes.com/article/56984/russia-receives-its-first-ordered-mig-29smts
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/01/2016 | 14:46 uur
Going Global: Russian Su-34 on the Way to Become Export Bestseller

Sputnik International | January 06, 2016

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Russia says that Algeria has become the first foreign customer for the Su-34 long-range strike fighter, an order Russian media attribute to its performance during current air operations in Syria, where this photo was taken. (Russian MoD photo)

Ever since Russian forces deployed the Sukhoi Su-34 Fullback to fly anti-Daesh missions in Syria, the advanced fighter bomber (thanks to its impressive performance) has been expected to become a future export bestseller. The future has arrived – Algeria is said to have ordered 12 Su-34s.

Sergey Smirnov, the director general of the Novosibirsk Aircraft Production Association (NAPO), confirmed that the company, which produces the Sukhoi Su-34, received a formal request for the export version of the aircraft.

The North African country "is likely to become the first of many new customers for the new long-range strike aircraft," defense analyst Dave Majumdar wrote for the National Interest. "The North African nation already operates another advanced derivative of the versatile Flanker airframe called the Su-30MKA, but the Fullback bomber variant adds a dedicated strike capability."

Other potential buyers could include Vietnam, Iraq, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan, military expert Igor Korotchenko told RIA Novosti last October. The analyst added that Ethiopia, Nigeria and Uganda could also purchase the 4++ generation jet, which can accelerate to a maximum speed of 1,200 mph and has a maximum range of 2,500 miles without refueling.

In the meantime, the Su-34's combat experience will allow NAPO to upgrade the warplane so that it could reach its full potential. "These modifications could include additional electronic warfare (EW), intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) and other capabilities added via external pods," Majumdar quoted Smirnov as saying.

The Russian Armed Forces have received a total of 83 Su-34s, costing $36 million apiece, and are expected to ink a deal for the delivery of over 100 Su-34s in the next 2-3 years. At least eight warplanes are believed to be engaged in Moscow's counterterrorism operation in Syria.

Based on the Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker, the Su-34 is meant to replace the aging Su-24 Fencer. "Like the Fencer, the Fullback has side-by-side seating. Unlike the Fencer, the Su-34 – taking full advantage of its Flanker lineage – is provisioned with a formidable air-to-air self-defense capability," Majumdar explained.

The Su-34, which is designed to serve in tactical bombing, attack and interdiction roles, is armed with a 30 mm GSh-30-1 (9A-4071K) cannon, rockets, air-to-air, air-to-ground and anti-ship missiles, as well as guided and unguided bombs.

"In addition to short-range R-73 high off-boresight dogfighting missiles, the Su-34 carries the long-range radar-guided R-77 air-to-air missile. That means [that] the Fullback is able to conduct 'self-escorted' strike missions. It also has an unorthodox rearward facing radar to warn the crew about threats approaching from behind," the defense analyst observed.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/170215/russia-says-algeria-to-buy-12-su_34-bombers.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 06/01/2016 | 15:32 uur
Pakistan to sell JF-17 Thunder aircraft to Lanka
5 January 2016
Pakistan to sell eight combat JF-17 Thunder aircraft to Sri Lanka under an agreement signed during Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's visit on Tuesday.
The multi-roll fighter aircraft is the joint production of Pakistan and China.

Defence officials accompanying the prime minister said that both countries signed eight agreements related to defence, security, anti-terrorism, trade and science and technology and Pakistan would provide eight JF-17 fighter jets to Sri Lanka at the first phase.
Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and Sri Lankan President Maithripala Sirisena were present at the ceremony of signing agreements.

Speaking on the occasion, Nawaz said that Pakistan was ready to give Sri Lanka the most favoured nation (MFN) status in trade. He said that there were vast opportunities for bilateral trade and its quantum should be taken to one billion dollars annually.

He said that Pakistan was cooperating with Sri Lanka in defence sector and the two countries would work together to choke financial assistance to terrorists. He said that Pakistan and Sri Lanka were intended to strengthen bilateral relations as they had unanimity of views on the international and regional issues. He said that his visit was reflective of close relationship between the two sides.

On this occasion, Sri Lankan President said that his country enjoys close relationship with Pakistan and Sri Lankan people acknowledged Pakistan's role in promotion of bilateral ties between the two countries. He said that the leadership of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has created political stability in Pakistan.

Later, addressing a seminar on Pakistan-Sri Lanka relations at the Institute of International Relations and Strategic Studies in Colombo, the prime minister urged all regional countries to enhance their literacy rate and overcome diseases, poverty and malnutrition. "We should also strengthen our bonds of trust for resolution of these problems," he said.

He said that both the countries enjoy commonality of views on international issues and Sri Lanka was the first country entered into a free-trade agreement with Pakistan.

He called for greater parliamentary exchanges between the two countries to learn from each other's experiences. He said that Pakistan desired to enhance its maritime relations with Sri Lanka and looking forward for increased engagements between the two countries and Pakistan would continue to provide training facilities to the armed forces of Sri Lanka.

About relations with India, the prime minister said that he would be remained committed to promoting peace and stability in the region. "The foreign secretaries of the two countries are meeting within the next few days to determine the modalities of the dialogue process," he said.

He also said that Pakistan had consistently supported an Afghan-led and Afghan-owned peace process and would continue to do so in future for the sake of regional peace. (Daily Times)

http://www.sundaytimes.lk/92246/pakistan-to-sell-jf-17-thunder-aircraft-to-lanka (http://www.sundaytimes.lk/92246/pakistan-to-sell-jf-17-thunder-aircraft-to-lanka)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zeewier op 06/01/2016 | 16:20 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 06/01/2016 | 14:46 uur
Going Global: Russian Su-34 on the Way to Become Export Bestseller

Sputnik International | January 06, 2016


Ever since Russian forces deployed the Sukhoi Su-34 Fullback to fly anti-Daesh missions in Syria, the advanced fighter bomber (thanks to its impressive performance) has been expected to become a future export bestseller. The future has arrived – Algeria is said to have ordered 12 Su-34s.

Other potential buyers could include Vietnam, Iraq, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan, military expert Igor Korotchenko told RIA Novosti last October. The analyst added that Ethiopia, Nigeria and Uganda could also purchase the 4++ generation jet, which can accelerate to a maximum speed of 1,200 mph and has a maximum range of 2,500 miles without refueling.

Deze landen kunnen de Su-34 helemaal niet betalen en onderhouden. Ze moeten haast wel dirt cheap aangeboden worden. Idem voor de Russische onderzeeboten. Om de Chinese en Europese industrie voor te zijn? Het laat wel zien hoezeer de Russische industrie haar afzetmarkt is kwijt geraakt met de neergang van Rusland. En nu redden wat er te redden valt.

En die handelsboycot tegen Oekraïne is ook een fatale zet voor de Russische markt. 5 jaar verder en de Oekraïense markt en industrie is totaal aangepast aan leveranciers uit de EU.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/01/2016 | 14:14 uur
Slovak Defense Ministry Plans for Gripen Lease Post-Election

Forecast International | January 6, 2016

WARSAW --- Slovakia's Defense Ministry has put into place a deal for the lease of Saab JAS-39 Gripen combat aircraft that it expects to be inked following the country's parliamentary elections scheduled for March.

The deal would provide the Slovak Air Force with eight Gripen fighters each performing up to 1,200 flight hours per year. It will be modeled on a similar deal ironed out with Saab by neighboring Czech Republic, which doles out around $53 million per annum to Saab to operate 14 Gripens capable of performing 2,200 flight hours yearly.

Slovakia maintains a small combat aircraft fleet made up of a handful of MiG-29s inherited after its peaceful divorce from the Czech Republic in 1993. These aging, Russian-produced fighters have become increasingly expensive for the Slovakian Defense Ministry to maintain.

Furthermore, like many of the newer NATO entries from the former Warsaw Pact, Slovakia has opted to retire its Soviet-legacy hardware and bypass Russian-vintage replacements in favor of NATO-standard fare.

As an added benefit of acquiring a new combat aircraft platform, Slovakia has focused on inter-operability with its neighboring NATO allies, chiefly the Czech Republic with which it has worked to coordinate joint air patrols.

Thus the Gripen fits into what the Slovak Defense Ministry and Air Force are trying to achieve (an affordable, modern platform not sourced from Russia) while it prepares for the eventual retirement of the MiG-29 fleet anticipated for 2016-17.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/170244/more-on-slovakia%E2%80%99s-planned-gripen-lease.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/01/2016 | 14:20 uur
KAI Signs KF-X Contract with Indonesia

By Jun Ji-hye, The Korea Times | January 7, 2016

Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) signed two separate contracts with the Indonesian defense ministry and the country's state-run defense firm PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI) in Jakarta, Thursday, to jointly develop Korea's indigenous fighter jets.

Under the deals, the Southeast Asian country will pay 20 percent of the 8.5 trillion won cost for the so-called KF-X project and participate in aircraft development.

The KF-X project is aimed at developing indigenous fighter jets by the first half of the year 2026 to replace the Air Force's aging fleet of F-4s and F-5s.

KAI said the Indonesian government will invest some 1.6 trillion won in the project, and the Indonesian defense firm will participate in the process of design and component production. The country would also acquire one prototype and technology data afterward.

The deals came after KAI signed a contract with Korea's Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) to develop the fighter jets last month.

The deal with the Indonesian defense ministry was signed between KAI President and CEO Ha Sung-yong and Timbul Siahaan, director general for defense potential at Indonesia's Ministry of Defense. The contract with PTDI was signed between Ha and PTDI President Director Budi Santoso.

"DAPA Minister Chang Myoung-jin, Korean Ambassador to Indonesia Cho Tai-young and Indonesian Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu also attended the signing ceremony," the release said.

The government plans to spend 8.5 trillion won in the KF-X project and an additional 10 trillion won to produce 120 jets.

KAI said in a release, "By singing these contracts, we have now prepared everything to undertake the KF-X project."

For his part, KAI President and CEO Ha said, "We will do our best to succeed in the project and promote the national interest of both countries in defense, economy and industry areas."

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/170248/indonesia-signs-%241.3bn-fighter-development-deal-with-south-korea.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 07/01/2016 | 14:30 uur
Citaat van: Zeewier op 06/01/2016 | 16:20 uur
Deze landen kunnen de Su-34 helemaal niet betalen en onderhouden. Ze moeten haast wel dirt cheap aangeboden worden. Idem voor de Russische onderzeeboten. Om de Chinese en Europese industrie voor te zijn? Het laat wel zien hoezeer de Russische industrie haar afzetmarkt is kwijt geraakt met de neergang van Rusland. En nu redden wat er te redden valt.

En die handelsboycot tegen Oekraïne is ook een fatale zet voor de Russische markt. 5 jaar verder en de Oekraïense markt en industrie is totaal aangepast aan leveranciers uit de EU.
dat kunnen ze best...het zijn geen arme landen en als je kijkt naar de prijs waarvoor de SU-34 aangeboden is en dat in verhouding tot de prijs van een JSF F-35 van 140 mio plus..kan ik begrijpen dat landen naar goedkope alternatieven opzoek gaan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Kaaskop2 op 10/01/2016 | 14:58 uur
Japan's 5th Generation Stealth Fighter to Make Maiden Flight in Early 2016

Japan's Ministry of Defense Technical Research and Development Institute (TRDI) announced that a prototype of Tokyo's first indigenously-designed fifth-generation air superiority fighter, the Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin, will make its maiden flight in February 2016, according to Japanese media reports.

Prior to its first test-flight, the aircraft will undergo extensive taxiing and ground trials at the Mitsubishi Heavy Industries testing center located in Aichi Prefecture on Japan's main island of Honshu. From there the fighter prototype is expected to fly to Gifu Air Field, an airbase of the Japan Air Self-Defense Force, situated in the neighboring prefecture of Gifu sometime in February.

The principal objective of the ATD-X Shinshin program is to develop a research prototype aircraft an–"advanced technology demonstration unit" to test the capacity of Japan's defense industry to develop, among other things, a powerful fighter engine and various other indigenous stealth fighter aircraft technologies.

The program is meant to eventually produce Japan's first indigenously-designed fifth-generation air superiority fighter, designated F-3, with serial production slated to begin in 2027, although various delays in the development of the ATD-X Shinshin prototype –scheduled to be fully developed by 2018– make a later date more likely.

The reason behind the development of the F-3 is the refusal of the United States to sell to Japan the Lockheed-Martin F-22 Raptor stealth air superiority fighter in the 2000s. According to some media reports, Lockheed-Martin is playing an undetermined role in the development of the ATD-X prototype.

Among other things, the aircraft will feature 3D thrust vectoring capability. According to a The Diplomat contributor, other design characteristics include:

If completed, the F-3 is supposed to incorporate some cutting-edge technology. The aircraft will be fitted with an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar. The radar will have capabilities for electronic countermeasures, communications functions, and possibly even microwave weapon functions. The Shinshin is planned to have a flight-by-optics flight control system. Data is transmitted by optical fibers rather than wires. In this way data is transmitted faster and is immune to electromagnetic disturbance. Furthermore, the new Japanese aircraft will have a so-called self repairing flight control capability. It will allow the aircraft to detect failures or damage in its flight control surfaces.

So far, one full-scale ATD-X prototype has been constructed. Back in 2011, Japan decided to procure 42 F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters, the first of which are scheduled to arrive at the end of 2016. The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter procurement is an interim solution until Tokyo can field its own indigenous fifth generation fighter.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/01/japans-5th-generation-stealth-fighter-to-make-maiden-flight-in-early-2016/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/01/2016 | 14:07 uur
Israel's lead F-35 enters final assembly

By Arie Egozi, Tel Aviv | 11 January 2016

Lockheed Martin has begun the final assembly of Israel's first F-35 Lightning II, having passed a key milestone at its Fort Worth site in Texas on 7 January.

The Israeli air force's lead example of the "Adir" – designated AS-1 – entered the mate process, where its four main structural assemblies are brought together.

"AS-1 is expected to roll out of the factory in June, and be delivered to the Israeli air force later this year," says Lockheed.

Israel has so far signed contracts for 33 of the conventional take-off and landing aircraft, via the US government's Foreign Military Sales programme.

"The F-35A Adir will be a significant addition to maintaining Israel's qualitative military edge in the Middle East, with the advanced capability to defeat emerging threats, such as advanced missiles and heavily defended airspace through its combination of low-observability and sensor fusion," says Lockheed.

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The number of Israeli-developed systems installed in the nation's fifth-generation fighter will be greater than expected when the contracts were signed. Some of the national-specific equipment will be integrated in the USA, and other elements in Israel. Its industrial involvement in the F-35 project also includes companies such as Elbit Systems and Israel Aerospace Industries.

Israel expects to achieve initial operational capability with the F-35 in 2017 and the type will replace its ageing Lockheed F-16C fighters.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/israels-lead-f-35-enters-final-assembly-420680/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/01/2016 | 13:27 uur
Rafale deliveries fell to single figures in 2015

By Craig Hoyle, London | 11 January 2016

Dassault delivered eight Rafales in 2015, the French manufacturer has announced, with its annual output having for the first time included aircraft delivered to an export customer.

Outlining its business activities for last year, Dassault on 5 January said: "Eight Rafale (five to France and three to Egypt) were delivered in 2015, in accordance with our forecasts." The latter received its first three Rafales – all twin-seat examples – last July.

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Anthony Pecchi/Dassault

The production total represented a decrease of three units from the combined 11 aircraft handed over to the French air force and navy during 2014. Additional work on the programme conducted last year included continuing activities linked to the nation's F3-standard fleet retrofit, the manufacturer states.

Dassault says that as of 31 December 2015, its production backlog for the Rafale stood at 83 aircraft: 38 for France and 45 for international customers. The latter includes another 21 examples for the Egyptian air force and 24 for Qatar. Both nations signed up to acquire the type during 2015.

"The success of the Rafale on the export market and its deployment in numerous theatres of operations by the French air force and French navy confirmed Rafale's intrinsic qualities," the company says.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/rafale-deliveries-fell-to-single-figures-in-2015-420686/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 12/01/2016 | 13:47 uur
Dit jaar gaan in ieder geval de Etendards er uit, als de CDG in onderhoud gaat, zo heb ik begrepen.
Maar best netjes, die lijn laten draaien op 8 stuks + refits.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/01/2016 | 14:25 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 12/01/2016 | 13:47 uur
Dit jaar gaan in ieder geval de Etendards er uit, als de CDG in onderhoud gaat, zo heb ik begrepen.
Maar best netjes, die lijn laten draaien op 8 stuks + refits.

Met de aanstaande definitieve handtekening van India zal ongetwijfeld de productielijn worden aangepast, zeker als hier de VAE (?) nog bijkomen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/01/2016 | 14:36 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 12/01/2016 | 13:47 uur
Dit jaar gaan in ieder geval de Etendards er uit, als de CDG in onderhoud gaat, zo heb ik begrepen.

Kun je nagaan hoelang de Etendard en de opvolgende Super Etendard dan in dienst zijn geweest.

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/01/2016 | 14:25 uur
Met de aanstaande definitieve handtekening van India zal ongetwijfeld de productielijn worden aangepast, zeker als hier de VAE (?) nog bijkomen.

Het wordt voor Dassault gelukkig niet rustiger op de werkvloer. VAE blijft inderdaad een vraagteken. Heb wel het idee dat ze op de Rafale azen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/01/2016 | 15:55 uur
Russia Places New Order For 50 Su-35S Fighters

Maxim Pyadushkin, Aerospace Daily & Defense Report | January 12, 2016

MOSCOW — The Russian air force is expanding its Sukhoi-35S fleet with a 60 billion ruble ($800 million) order for 50 more of the twin-engine fighters.

The contract was signed last August, a representative of Sukhoi parent company United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) tells Aviation Week. An industry source tells the Vedomosti daily that the delay in finalizing the order was due to a lack of clarity in Russia's 2016 federal budget, which was only signed by Russian President Vladimir Putin in mid-December.

The UAC representative says the fighters will be delivered at a pace of 10 aircraft annually starting this year.

The single-seat Su-35 is the latest development of the Su-27 Flanker family. Compared to previous Flanker modifications, it features the more powerful NPO Saturn AL-41F-1S (also known as 117S) engines with thrust vector control and completely new digital onboard equipment, including new Tikhomirov NIIP Irbis phased antenna array radar. The fighter can carry up to 8,000 kg (17,600 lb.) of munitions on 12 hardpoints.

The Russian air force placed its first order for 48 Su-35S variants in 2009. The first aircraft were inducted into service two years later, and the last aircraft from that order were rolled out last year. The Russian Defense Ministry reported it will make a ferry flight from the Komsomolsk-on-Amur assembly facility, in the Khabarovsk region, to a regular unit in Primorye, in Russia's Far East, this week.

The Su-35 is seen now by the Russian military as a stopgap for the Sukhoi T-50 fifth-generation fighter. Significant deliveries of the latter aircraft, which is being tested now, are likely to be postponed beyond 2020 due to economic difficulties in Russia.

Another customer for this type is China. Beijing signed a contract for 24 Su-35 fighters worth $2 billion last year, after many years of negotiations.

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Sukhoi-35S: Aleksander Markin

http://aviationweek.com/defense/russia-places-new-order-50-su-35s-fighters
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 13/01/2016 | 16:15 uur
raar...de Chinezen betalen voor 24 stuks 2 miljard dollar..en de Russen zelf voor 50 stuks 800 miljoen euro ??

Dat staat in het onderstaand artikel...wel veel goedkoper dan de JSF..die zeker +125 miljoen per stuk gaat kosten
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/01/2016 | 16:32 uur
Vietnam's Plan to Deter China With Western Jets

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/vietnams-plan-deter-china-western-jets-14893
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 13/01/2016 | 16:41 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 13/01/2016 | 16:15 uur
raar...de Chinezen betalen voor 24 stuks 2 miljard dollar..en de Russen zelf voor 50 stuks 800 miljoen euro ??

Dat staat in het onderstaand artikel...wel veel goedkoper dan de JSF..die zeker +125 miljoen per stuk gaat kosten
De Russen krijgen ze natuurlijk voor een spotprijs
Je weet niet wat er allemaal in die deal met China was inbegrepen dus ik denk niet dat je dat moet gaan vergelijken met de F-35
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 13/01/2016 | 16:57 uur
The Rise of the Light Attack Fighter?

The high cost per unit of fourth- and fifth-generation jet fighters is proving to be problematic, especially as many militaries around the world seek to modernize their aircraft. During Canada's 2015 federal election, the victorious Liberals campaigned on the commitment to seek combat aircraft for the Royal Canadian Air Force more affordable than the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter. In a May 2014 referendum, Swiss voters rejected a proposal to replace the Swiss Air Force's aging Northrop F-5E Tiger II fighters with the Swedish produced Saab JAS 39 Gripen. As voters turn away from the sophisticated technology and hefty price tags of the aircraft promoted by the most prominent manufacturers, such as Lockheed Martin and Boeing, there may be quite a market for affordable but relatively modern fighter jets.

Lees verder ->
http://www.offiziere.ch/?p=25887 (http://www.offiziere.ch/?p=25887)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/01/2016 | 14:50 uur
Requirements for New Fighter Jets Are Being Redrawn, Defence Minister Says (excerpt)

By John Ivison, The National Post | January 13, 2016

The requirements for Canada's next fleet of fighter jets are being redrawn as part of a thorough defence review ordered by the new Liberal defence minister.

Harjit Sajjan said his department is looking at the procurement of military equipment, the size of the Canadian Forces and the theatres where they operate.

"We will consult with the public, through MPs, committees, stakeholders and think-tanks, so that we have a vision in line with our foreign policy objectives," he said in an interview Tuesday.

Part of that process will be determining what will replace the CF-18 fighter jets. The Conservatives had committed to Lockheed Martin's F-35 joint strike fighter but the project was heavily criticized for rigging the requirements so that only the F-35 could qualify. Defence officials had written the requirements to call for a plane with stealth capability, advanced radar and integrated avionics.

During the election, the Liberals said they would not choose the F-35, and re-invest any savings in the navy.

Mr. Sajjan has since said he will launch an open process to replace the CF-18s.

"The requirements we create will be those that are needed for Canada's role," he said.

He would not say whether Lockheed Martin would be barred from the bidding process, or whether the requirements might now be written to ensure the F-35 did not win. (end of excerpt)

Click here (http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/john-ivison-requirements-for-new-fighter-jets-are-being-redrawn-defence-minister-says/) for the full transcript, on the National Post website.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/170406/canada-preparing-requirements-for-new-fighter%3A-minister.html

Air Force to Delay A-10 Retirement, Thanks to ISIS (excerpt)

By Marcus Weisgerber, Defense One | January 13, 2016

After trying to retire the battle-tested Warthog for the past two years, Air Force officials concede that the plane is key to the war on ISIS.

The Air Force is shelving its immediate plans to retire the A-10 Warthog attack plane, which has become critical to the U.S. bombing campaign against Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria, Pentagon officials tell Defense One.

Air Force officials say they still need to retire the A-10 to make room for newer warplanes, but that the calculus for its sunsetting has been thrown off by commanders' demands for the Warthog now.

Putting the A-10's retirement plans on hold is a key policy shift that will be laid out next month when the Pentagon submits its 2017 budget request to Congress, said Pentagon officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the Obama Administration's spending plan before its official release.

An Air Force spokeswoman declined further comment because the Pentagon's budget request has not been finalized and publicly released.

Top Air Force officials had already hinted that the A-10 retirement plans might be put on hold due to the planes' demand in combat. (end of excerpt)

Click here (http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/01/Air-Force-to-delay-a-10/125105//) for the full transcript, on the Defense One website.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/170405/us-air-force-to-delay-a_10-retirement.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 14/01/2016 | 21:43 uur
Air Force to Delay A-10 Retirement, Thanks to ISIS

After trying to retire the battle-tested Warthog for the past two years, Air Force officials concede that the plane is key to the war on ISIS.

The Air Force is shelving its immediate plans to retire the A-10 Warthog attack plane, which has become critical to the U.S. bombing campaign against Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria, Pentagon officials tell Defense One.

Air Force officials say they still need to retire the A-10 to make room for newer warplanes, but that the calculus for its sunsetting has been thrown off by commanders' demands for the Warthog now.

Putting the A-10's retirement plans on hold is a key policy shift that will be laid out next month when the Pentagon submits its 2017 budget request to Congress, said Pentagon officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the Obama Administration's spending plan before its official release.

An Air Force spokeswoman declined further comment because the Pentagon's budget request has not been finalized and publicly released.

Top Air Force officials had already hinted that the A-10 retirement plans might be put on hold due to the planes' demand in combat.

"I think moving it to the right and starting it a bit later and maybe keeping the airplane around a little bit longer is something that's being considered based on things as they are today and that we see them in the future," Gen. Herbert "Hawk" Carlisle, the head of Air Combat Command, said in November.

The A-10, known for its ability to withstand enemy ground fire, proved even more difficult to shoot down politically; Congress blocked its retirement for the past two years.

The venerable attack plane, often championed by Army and Marine Corps ground forces, was built to fly low and slow, close to the battlefield to work in tandem with ground troops. Top Air Force officials acknowledged that the A-10 flies these so-called close air support missions better than any other plane in the arsenal. But officials said other aircraft could fly these missions, albeit not as well as the Warthog. Retirement, they said, would free up money to pay for newer planes, like the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, a more expensive warplane intended to replace the A-10 and F-16 fighter.

Two years ago when the Air Force first proposed sending the A-10s into retirement, the service planned to shift maintenance workers from the Warthog to the F-35. At the time, no American forces were in Iraq or Syria and Washington was preparing to withdraw troops from Afghanistan. But since then, ISIS has spread across the Middle East and a resurgence of the Taliban has delayed the drawdown in Afghanistan.

The Air Force's request to retire the A-10 has met with a wide wave of negative responses. In the midst of it all, the Air Force has deployed squadrons to fly combat missions against ISIS in both Iraq and Syria. Warthogs have also deployed to Europe where they flew in military drills with NATO allies. 

Opponents of the A-10 retirement say the plane is effective both in lethality and cost for the current wars when compared to newer, high-performance aircraft like the F-16 fighter or B-1B bomber.

Congress has routinely blasted the Air Force's A-10 retirement plans and blocked its retirement. Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., one of the Warthog's biggest advocates on Capitol Hill, held up the nomination of Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James, over the matter.

"I welcome reports that the Air Force has decided to keep the A-10 aircraft flying through fiscal year 2017, ensuring our troops have the vital close-air support they need for missions around the world," Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in response to Defense One's report that the plane's retirement would be delayed.


"With growing global chaos and turmoil on the rise, we simply cannot afford to prematurely retire the best close air support weapon in our arsenal without fielding a proper replacement," he said.

Rep. Martha McSally, R-Ariz., a former A-10 pilot who flew combat missions in the 1990s during Southern Watch, also lauded the decision to delay the A-10 retirement.

"It appears the [Obama] Administration is finally coming to its senses and recognizing the importance of A-10s to our troops' lives and national security," McSally said in a statement.

"With A-10s deployed in the Middle East to fight ISIS, in Europe to deter Russian aggression, and along the Korean Peninsula, administration officials can no longer deny how invaluable these planes are to our arsenal and military capabilities," she said.

McSally said the Warthog must stick around "until we know without a doubt we can replace their capabilities.

Source: http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/01/Air-Force-to-delay-a-10/125105/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/01/2016 | 11:18 uur
Swedish-Finn Alliance May Influence Fighter Choice

The deepening in bilateral defense collaboration between non-aligned Nordic states Sweden and Finland is expected to include the establishment of joint units and the sharing of naval and Air Force infrastructure.

Moreover, Sweden remains interested in selling the JAS Gripen-E to Finland, which has begun the process of replacing the Air Force's F/A-18 C/D Hornet aircraft, which are scheduled to be retired between 2025 and 2030.

Although government officials remain tight lipped, the increasingly closer military cooperation between Finland and Sweden advances the possibility that Finland may opt to pursue a replacement strategy that includes two different NATO-compatible fighter types, one of which could be the Gripen E.

..../....

The request for information (RfI) concerning the HX Fighter Program is due to be sent to aircraft manufacturers in March and replies are required by Oct. 31.

The HX Fighter Program is being run by the Air Force Command, which will be responsible for project execution and implementation. It is expected that a call for tender will be sent out by the Air Force Command in spring 2018. Under this time frame, the fighter selection decision would take place in 2021.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2016/01/17/swedish-finn-alliance-may-influence-fighter-choice/78801218/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/01/2016 | 11:32 uur
Taiwan refutes report that it is interested in AV-8Bs   
(misschien ex-USMC AV-8B aankoop door Taiwan ??, past wel in het plan van Taiwan om hun huidige Marine, flink te investeren in nieuwe fregatten (3000 ton), kruisers (10.000 ton) en LPD's, zelfs zijn er geruchten over een LHA ontwerp. Hierin past natuurlijk het gebruik van AV-8B's )

Taiwan's National Ministry of Defense has refuted a report that the island will buy AV-8Bs that are sold as Excess Defense Articles once they are retired from the Marine Corps.

Defense News reported on Jan. 16, quoting anonymous U.S. officials as saying that the Defense Security Cooperation Agency will offer the AV-8Bs to Taiwan.

http://alert5.com/2016/01/18/taiwan-refutes-report-that-it-is-interest-in-av-8bs/

Taiwan's Navy plannen :
Taiwan Previews Major Naval Acquisition Plan
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140920/DEFREG03/309200024
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/01/2016 | 11:34 uur
Pentagon, Pratt announce agreement on next F-35 engine buy

The US Department of Defense (DoD) has reached an agreement with Pratt & Whitney, the engine manufacturer for the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter, for the next batch of engines that power the stealthy combat aircraft.

The agreement in principle is for the 9th and 10th lots of F135 propulsion systems - for 66 and 101 total engines, respectively - a spokesman for the Pentagon's F-35 programme office said via email.

"This agreement for the next two lots of F135 engines continues to drive down costs and that's critical to making the F-35 more affordable for the US military and our allies," Lieutenant General Chris Bogdan, the DoD's F-35 programme manager, said in the statement. "We are ramping up production and witnessing tangible results."

The Pentagon did not release the contract value, intending to do so once the deals are finalised, the spokesman said. "However, in general, the unit prices for the 53 LRIP 9 and 87 LRIP 10 conventional take-off and landing [CTOL] and carrier variant [CV] propulsion systems reduced 3.4% from the previously negotiated LRIP 8 price to the negotiated LRIP 10 price," he added. The unit prices for the 13 LRIP 9 and 14 LRIP 10 short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) propulsion systems (including lift systems) reduced 6.4%.

Pratt & Whitney has delivered 262 F135 engines, according to the Pentagon. Deliveries of LRIP 9 engines are expected to begin this year, while deliveries of LRIP 10 engines are to start in 2017.

http://www.janes.com/article/57263/pentagon-pratt-announce-agreement-on-next-f-35-engine-buy
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/01/2016 | 14:24 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 18/01/2016 | 11:32 uur
Taiwan refutes report that it is interested in AV-8Bs  
(misschien ex-USMC AV-8B aankoop door Taiwan ??, past wel in het plan van Taiwan om hun huidige Marine, flink te investeren in nieuwe fregatten (3000 ton), kruisers (10.000 ton) en LPD's, zelfs zijn er geruchten over een LHA ontwerp. Hierin past natuurlijk het gebruik van AV-8B's )

Taiwan's National Ministry of Defense has refuted a report that the island will buy AV-8Bs that are sold as Excess Defense Articles once they are retired from the Marine Corps.

Defense News reported on Jan. 16, quoting anonymous U.S. officials as saying that the Defense Security Cooperation Agency will offer the AV-8Bs to Taiwan.

Afwachten welke mogelijke aanbieding DSCA heeft: AV-8B Night Attack, AV-8B Plus (APG-65 radar) of beide.

Ze worden in ieder geval voor de USMC voor de komende jaren nog gemoderniseerd. Zie pagina 44 van 260 van onderstaande link

https://marinecorpsconceptsandprograms.com/sites/default/files/files/2015%20Marine%20Aviation%20Plan.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/01/2016 | 21:06 uur
Life of RAF Tornado squadron further extended to 2018

By Beth Stevenson, London | 18 January 2016

Further detail on the UK Ministry of Defence's November Strategic Defence & Security Review (SDSR) has revealed the retirement of a Panavia Tornado GR4 squadron will be pushed back to 2018, from the previously announced 2017 date.

Last August, defence secretary Michael Fallon said a delayed retirement from 2016 until March 2017, of the Royal Air Force's 12 Sqn, would allow the type to continue operating until the Eurofighter Typhoon was able to fully take over the ground-attack role in Iraq and Syria. However, the next retirement of a Tornado squadron has now been pushed back further, to 2018.

"We will extend the third Tornado ground-attack squadron in service until 2018 to continue the fight against Daesh [Islamic State] and be ready for other tasks, then retire the remaining two squadrons of Tornado in 2019," an SDSR factsheet released by the MoD on 15 January says.

The Tornado is proving its worth against Islamic State militants in the Middle East and the demand for it is high; 12 Sqn was returned to service in January 2015 to join Operation Shader after originally disbanding in 2014 after the withdrawal from Afghanistan. Three squadrons are required to support the operation, with one deployed at any given time, one in a preparation role and another on stand down.

The recent SDSR also noted the UK will acquire the planned 138 Lockheed Martin F-35s over the life of the programme, and will "buy some of these aircraft more quickly than previously planned, creating an additional frontline squadron by 2023", according to the factsheet.

The Tornado GR4's replacement, the Typhoon, will also see an additional two frontline squadrons formed to support the type until 2040, with more investment into integrating an active electronically scanned array radar. With the integration of the MBDA Brimstone air-to-surface missile in 2017, the newer type should be able to begin adopting the ground-attack role of the Tornado, which began carrying the weapon in Syria this month.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=60148)
Crown Copyright

The factsheet also confirms the UK's commitment to developing unmanned combat air vehicle technology, specifically in collaboration with France – the two nations are involved in the bilateral Future Combat Air Systems programme – and the USA.

"We will work with France to develop an advanced Unmanned Combat Air System technology demonstrator, and with the United States to mature other high-end technologies," it says. "Additionally, we will pursue a national technology programme to maintain the UK's position as a global leader in this area."

Under its Protector programme, the UK will see its fleet of armed UAVs doubled in the 2020 timeframe, from a capability currently provided by the General Atomics Aeronautical Systems MQ-9 Reaper.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/life-of-raf-tornado-squadron-further-extended-to-201-420923/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/01/2016 | 21:11 uur
Combat-coded F-35A to begin dropping bombs

By James Drew, Washington DC | 18 January 2016

In February or early March, a combat-coded F-35A from the 34th Fighter Squadron at Hill AFB will release an inert, laser-guided bomb at the nearby Utah Test and Training Range.

What will seem ordinary and routine to the pilot will actually be a "monumental achievement" for the multinational F-35 programme, which has been building to this moment since Lockheed Martin won the Joint Strike Fighter contract in 2001.

A stealthy, jet-powered combat aircraft is nothing if it cannot put weapons on a target, and this GBU-12 Paveway II release will be a moment of truth for the conventional A-model, which until now only released weapons in development and operational testing.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=65482)
Reserve pilot Maj Jayson Rickard of the 466th Fighter Squadron flew Hill AFB's 100th F-35 sortie on 11 December
US Air Force

The air force's Block 3i aircraft will first operate with basic laser and GPS-guided weapons, as well as beyond-visual-range AIM-120 air-to-air missiles. It will also have advanced targeting, surveillance and radar-jamming equipment.

The full complement of weapons will not arrive until Block 3F in late 2017, but the armaments the F-35 does have in Block 2B and 3i can accomplish basic close air support, air interdiction and suppression or destruction of enemy air defence missions, according to the air force.

"It is a monumental achievement, because we are the first operational unit to do it. But quite frankly, I don't expect it to be a difficult achievement for us to accomplish," says Col David Lyons, commander of the squadron's parent wing, the 388th Fighter Wing. "It will be an ordinary mission. They will be inert, at least initially.

"The airplane can already simulate the drop, so we simulate firing the AIM-120 and dropping laser-guided and GPS-guided bombs every day as we practice our tactics, but to actually have something come off the airplane – we've not done that yet."

Introducing weapons into live training is one of several steps the squadron must take to be deemed combat-ready on 1 August, which marks initial operational capability (IOC) for the conventional takeoff and landing model. The US Marine Corps achieved IOC with the F-35B jump jet in July.

Because F-35s are designed to operate in formation, Lyons says the squadron will begin practicing "four-ship" combat tactics in March, where four airborne F-35s will train together. The 34th Fighter Sqn has been practicing four-ship tactics in its four Lockheed-built 360° mission simulators since they were networked in December.

Since activating in July, the "Rude Rams" squadron has received five aircraft from Lockheed, and the sixth is due shortly. The group expects to have 12-16 aircraft and 24 mission-ready pilots in place by IOC.

Pilots arrive from the training bases at Luke AFB in Arizona and Eglin AFB in Florida as trained F-35 aviators, but are qualified on the latest combat tactics at their local base.

Today, the 388th wing counts eight IOC-ready pilots and another one is assigned to its partner reserve unit, the 419th Fighter Wing. Its growing fleet is supported by 260 maintainers.

The aircraft will receive the most up-to-date 3i software load, and Lyons says that will arrive on 1 February.

The local autonomic logistics information system (ALIS), which manages the logistics and maintenance programme, is also being upgraded. "We expect to have it in a deployable configuration in a couple of months," says Lt Col Darrin Dronoff, who heads the 388th unit's F-35 integration office.

The first real test of the squadron's ability to deploy abroad will begin in a few months, starting with simulated deployment exercises on-ramp at Hill, says 34th unit commander Lt Col George Watkins.

"We're going to take F-35s from the 34th Fighter Squadron and go to Mountain Home AFB in Idaho," Watkins tells Flightglobal. "We're going to fly missions from Mountain Home as our proof of being able to go out on the road and fly missions from the road.

"We'll come back from that and continue our spin up to full proficiency with a surge in July where we'll fly extra sorties in a surge week, so in the month of July we have enough sorties programmed to get everyone up to combat-mission status by 1 August."

Lyons and Watkins are both confident of achieving IOC on 1 August, and the wing has even invited the Air Combat Command inspector general to monitor the process.

Lyons expects the F-35A will be called up fairly quickly, perhaps in 2017 or 2018, although there are no deployments currently scheduled.

"It would not surprise me at all to see the airplane used in that time frame," Lyons says. "I don't make that decision; it's above my pay grade. But once the airplane is declared IOC, it will be available to use, and I would expect them to use it."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/combat-coded-f-35a-to-begin-dropping-bombs-420924/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 19/01/2016 | 13:45 uur
Germany's Tornado jets 'can't fly at night'

Berlin: German Tornado jets deployed to Syria for reconnaissance missions can't fly at night, Bild daily reported on Tuesday in a new embarrassment for the defence ministry which has been battling equipment problems.

The six aircraft sent to Syria are fitted with surveillance technology, and had been touted as being capable of taking high-resolution photos and infrared images, even at night and in bad weather.

But Bild reported that night flights were impossible as pilots are blinded by the cockpit light which is far too bright.

A defence ministry spokesman admitted that there is "a small technical problem that has to do with the cockpit lighting".

"It is possible that the night goggles worn by pilots result in reflections," he said, adding that the ministry was looking at resolving the problem within the next two weeks.

He added that there was "currently no need to fly at night in Syria" and that the deployment was performing at "100 percent".

Germany's military has faced criticism in recent months over the state of its weaponry.

Its G36 assault rifle which is being phased out by the army became the butt of jokes after reports that it had trouble firing straight at high temperatures.

Der Spiegel magazine had also reported last year that only four of the military's 39 NH90 helicopters were currently useable.

Most recently, the army said the external fuel tank of one of its Eurofighter combat planes fell off as it was preparing for takeoff.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/europe/190116/germany-s-tornado-reconnaisance-jets-can-t-fly-at-night.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 19/01/2016 | 13:55 uur
5 Reasons Why Our F-35s Are Too Dangerous to Fly    ( ;))

(Source: American Thinker; posted Jan 17, 2016)
By David Archibald

The F-35 has been around as long as global warming. The aircraft had its origin in the Joint Advanced Strike Technology (JAST) program started by the U.S. Air Force and U.S. Navy in 1993. The word "Strike" in the designation of this program indicates that it was oriented toward developing a light bomber. The following year, the JAST program absorbed the Common Affordable Lightweight Fighter program and a separate short take-off/vertical landing program.

This became the Joint Strike Fighter program, with the aim of producing a common airframe and engine across the U.S. Air Force, U.S. Navy, and U.S. Marine Corps. (.../...)

Many years then passed. The production prototype F-35 first flew in 2006.

The flying characteristics of an aircraft can be determined from its statistics – that is, things like the weight divided by the wing area, weight relative to thrust, etc. The F-35 was still a light bomber. Its engine is optimized for operating at about 20,000 feet. By 2008, simulations had shown that the F-35 was not fit to be a fighter aircraft. This was in a RAND study by Dr. John Stillion, which concluded that the F-35 "can't turn, can't climb, can't run."

Now, ten years after the F-35 first flew, it remains in development, though 180 have been built. None of those aircraft can operate in combat; all will have to be modified if and when the final design has been settled on. There is not much point in doing that, because the F-35 has a number of show-stoppers that would kill it instantly in a rational world. These include:

1. The F-35's engine is failing at too high a rate, and its reliability is not improving fast enough to be approved for operational use. The F-35 has a poorly designed, unreliable engine – the largest, hottest, and heaviest engine ever put in a fighter plane. (.../...)

The project recognized the engine's limitations in 2012 by announcing an intention to change performance specifications for the F-35A, reducing sustained turn performance from 9.0g to 4.6g and extending the time for acceleration from 0.8 Mach to 1.2 Mach by 8 seconds. (.../...)

2. The F-35 requires a runway at least 8,000 feet long to operate from. By comparison, the F-16's minimum runway length requirement is 3,000 feet.

3. The F-35's operating cost of $50,000 per hour means that we won't be able to afford to give its pilots enough flying time to be fully proficient. The same problem afflicts the F-22 with its $70,000-per-hour operating cost. (.../...)

4. Being designed as a light bomber, the F-35 is less maneuverable than fighter designs up to 50 years old and will be shot out of the sky by modern fighter aircraft. Thus, it wasn't a surprise when an F-16 outflew an F-35 in mock combat in early 2015, a result entirely predictable from simulation. (.../...)

The F-35 uses its fuel for cooling its electronics. The aircraft won't start if its fuel is too warm, making deployment in warmer regions problematic. At the Yuma and Luke U.S. Air Force bases in Arizona, fuel trucks for the F-35 are painted white, parked in covered bays, and chilled with water mist systems because the jet won't even start if the fuel is already too warm to cool the electronics.

5. The F-35 has a logistics system (ALIS)  that requires an internet connection to a centralized maintenance system in the United States (.../...) If the internet link is down, the aircraft can't fly even if there is nothing wrong with it. (.../...)

Those are the known show-stoppers; the F-35 has many other mere deficiencies. (end of edited excerpt)

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/170464/five-reasons-why-the-f_35-is-too-dangerous-to-fly.html

voor gehele originele artikel :
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/01/5_reasons_why_our_f35s_are_too_dangerous_to_fly.html#ixzz3xWMuo4DI
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 19/01/2016 | 16:14 uur
Zijn de banen van Volkel en Leeuwarden op dit moment lang genoeg voor de F-35?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/01/2016 | 16:28 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 19/01/2016 | 16:14 uur
Zijn de banen van Volkel en Leeuwarden op dit moment lang genoeg voor de F-35?

Het is de bedoeling dat komende juni een F-35A naar Nederland komt. Dan weten ze meteen of de start/landingsbanen de juiste lengte hebben  ;)  :lol:

Sommige kritieken op de F-35 zijn terecht, maar er zijn ook kritieken van een bedenkelijke aard.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 19/01/2016 | 16:48 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 19/01/2016 | 16:28 uur
maar er zijn ook kritieken van een bedenkelijke aard.
+1
Die de media maar al te graag aangrijpen om het toestel nog verder af te kraken
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 19/01/2016 | 16:58 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 19/01/2016 | 16:14 uur
Zijn de banen van Volkel en Leeuwarden op dit moment lang genoeg voor de F-35?
Stel dat het zo zou zijn dat de vereiste baanlengte voor take-off 8kft zou zijn:
Baanlengtes EHVK: beiden >9900ft;
Baanlengtes EHLW: 9700 & 6500ft.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 19/01/2016 | 17:55 uur
Citaat van: Lex op 19/01/2016 | 16:58 uur
Stel dat het zo zou zijn dat de vereiste baanlengte voor take-off 8kft zou zijn:
Baanlengtes EHVK: beiden >9900ft;
Baanlengtes EHLW: 9700 & 6500ft.
Dus zal een baan van leeuwarden verlengt moeten worden voor als de windrichting de verkeerde kant op staat
Of is dat niet zo heel problematisch?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 19/01/2016 | 18:06 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 19/01/2016 | 17:55 uur
Dus zal een baan van leeuwarden verlengt moeten worden voor als de windrichting de verkeerde kant op staat
Of is dat niet zo heel problematisch?
Dat zal de toekomst uitwijzen; afwachten dus maar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/01/2016 | 10:14 uur
Storm Shadow dropped from UK's F-35B follow-on integration plan

Richard Scott, London - IHS Jane's Missiles & Rockets | 18 January 2016

Key Points
• The integration of Storm Shadow on the F-35B as part of UK follow-on development has been dropped
• The UK is looking to integrate the Meteor BVR air-to-air missile and the SPEAR Cap 3 stand-off precision guided weapon as part of Block 4

The United Kingdom (UK) Ministry of Defence (MoD) has abandoned plans to integrate the MBDA Storm Shadow air-launched cruise missile on the F-35B Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), and is instead looking at the far future integration of a new long-range deep-strike weapon projected under the still embryonic Selective Precision Effects at Range (SPEAR) Cap 5 programme.

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http://www.janes.com/article/57304/storm-shadow-dropped-from-uk-s-f-35b-follow-on-integration-plan
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/01/2016 | 11:15 uur
Northrop Will Fly T-X Prototype This Year

Northrop Grumman intends to fly a prototype of the company's T-X concept early this year, in anticipation of an upcoming Air Force competition to replace the aging T-38 fleet used for advanced jet training.

Northrop is working with aerospace company Scaled Composites, which it acquired in 2007, on an internally funded T-X demonstrator aircraft, Tom Vice, president of the company's aerospace sector, told reporters Jan. 14 during a media trip. Vice did not specify exactly when the prototype would fly, but said the event would take place in the first half of this year.

"We intend to fly the aircraft at a time which we believe aligns with the competition. So we will fly it when the competition dictates it," Vice said. "Obviously we're trying to hold on to the uniqueness of the design, but we will be flying that airplane probably in the first half of 2016."

..../....

Vice declined to give further details about the T-X demonstrator, but said the aircraft "is more than just a prototype." The company's T-X proposal bears a striking resemblance to the T-38 Talon, also built by Northrop, according to December press reports.

..../....

Voor gehele artikel zie LINK
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/support/2016/01/19/northrop-fly-t-x-prototype-year/78966566/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/01/2016 | 16:18 uur
Israel gives green light to F-15I upgrade

By Arie Egozi, Tel Aviv | 20 January 2016

Israel will embark on a "deep" upgrade of its Boeing F-15I Ra'am fleet as it looks to maintain the type as the backbone of its air force's strike capability, despite the parallel acquisition of the Lockheed Martin F-35.

The enhancement has been mooted for some time, but Tel Aviv has recently given the green light to the programme.

Modifications will include structural changes, the addition of an active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar, updated avionics and new, unspecified weapon systems.

A selection process for the radar is ongoing, with a decision due mid-year. It is thought Israel favours the Raytheon APG-82(V)1 radar selected by the US Air Force for its F-15Es.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=49804)
Israeli air force

Lt Col Yiftach, head of the Israeli air force's aircraft branch, told the service's website, although some missions will eventually pass to the F-35, the Boeing type will remain a "strategic aircraft".

"When we want to reach far distances with few aircraft and many arms – the F-15I wins," he says, noting its "great carrying abilities".

Yiftach says: "There is a reason it hasn't stopped flying and conducting missions after 18 years. As an aircraft that only operates with one squadron, it has every extreme ability we would want our aircraft to have."

It will also take time to integrate weapons onto the F-35, says Yiftach.

Flightglobal's Fleets Analyzer database records the service as operating 25 F-15Is, along with a combined 42 A/C-models.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/israel-gives-green-light-to-f-15i-upgrade-421013/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/01/2016 | 16:20 uur
Reviving F-22 Raptor production a 'non-starter'

By James Drew, Washington DC | 20 January 2016

The secretary of the air force has become the latest official to douse hopes of restarting Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor production, which was capped at 187 aircraft and closed in 2011.

The tooling and equipment needed to produce the twin-engine air-superiority fighter, which was barred from export because of its sophistication, remain in storage along with video instructions for various assembly processes.

This equipment will aid in the remanufacture of spare parts for the aircraft and its two Pratt & Whitney F119 engines, but some Raptor advocates want to see the assembly lines in Marietta, Georgia and Fort Worth, Texas reborn. This was done for improved versions of the Lockheed U-2 and Rockwell B-1.

That idea is "pretty much a non-starter," service secretary Deborah Lee James said when asked about the prospect of resuming serial F-22 production at a recent CSIS event in Washington DC.

"If you were to ask [air force chief of staff Gen Mark Welsh] or any of the uniformed officers in the air force, they would probably tell you they would love to have more F-22s.

"The original plan was to have quite a few more additional F-22s, and it was a regrettable set of circumstances – a combination of budget overruns and taking way longer than originally projected – that actually caused what became an early termination for the F-22 programme."

Optimised for air-to-air combat in a Cold War fight against Russia, the original requirement was for 750 aircraft. That number later dropped to 339, and then 187 plus eight test aircraft.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=65510)
Lockheed Martin

Some retired and serving USAF officials have called ending F-22 production "the biggest mistake ever," particularly as the aircraft sees combat action in Syria, and as Russia and China finalise development of competing fifth-generation combat jets. Former presidential hopeful Mitt Romney even pledged to restart F-22 production during his 2012 campaign.

Air Combat Command chief Gen Herbert "Hawk" Carlisle said in September that he "dreams" about the day F-22 assembly resumes, but admits it's an expensive proposition. In 2010, a RAND study commissioned by air force placed the cost at $17 billion (2008 dollars) for 75 more aircraft.

"The very prospect of re-opening that [F-22 line] is pretty much a non-starter," says James. "We've got what we've got. We've got the F-35 coming, approaching initial operating capability. It's not the same, but they will complement one another and we'll have to go forward as is."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/reviving-f-22-raptor-production-a-non-starter-421019/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/01/2016 | 15:36 uur
AIRSHOW-Kuwait says sticks to F-18 jets despite approval delays

By Nadia Saleem, Manama | January 21, 2016

Kuwait's air force is sticking to plans to purchase Boeing's F-18 Super Hornet to replace ageing fighter jets, despite a lengthy congressional approval process in Washington that has frustrated industry players.

"The Super Hornet is one of the best solutions for us," Abdullah Al Foudary, commander of the Kuwait Air Force, said on the sidelines of an industry event in Bahrain. "We have the legacy F-18s that we have to find a solution for in 2030-2040."

U.S. industry executives and military officials have grown increasingly concerned about delays in approving the sale of 28 Boeing F/A-18E/F fighter jets to Kuwait, a deal valued at around $3 billion.

The fighter planes are of increasing importance to Kuwait amid rising regional tensions between Saudi Arabia and Iran, after an attack on the Saudi embassy in Tehran by protestors angry over the execution of a Saudi Shi'ite cleric.

Kuwait, an ally of Saudi Arabia, is also part of the Saudi-led coalition against Yemen and is primarily supporting that effort with its air force and F/A-18s.

Al Foudary said the air force would play the most important role in addressing regional threats.

"We have to set up priorities and buy new capabilities so we can cope in this situation," he said.

Boeing must decide in coming weeks whether to start building the jets using its own funding to ensure that materials that take years to procure are on hand when needed.

The company is likely to make that investment as a bridge to additional U.S. Navy orders expected in fiscal 2018, according to a source familiar with the issue.

The company is anxiously awaiting the release of the Pentagon's fiscal 2017 budget plan on Feb. 9 to see if the Navy orders even a few jets in fiscal 2017, potentially through a separate war-spending supplement.

U.S. Navy Secretary Ray Mabus last week said foreign military sales helped ensure continued production of U.S. weapons systems, such as the Boeing Co F/A-18E/F fighter jet, and also helped the U.S. military and its allies work seamlessly in joint military operations.

But Mabus called for continued efforts to accelerate what he described as a slow and "torturous" approval process for military sales to foreign customers. (Additional reporting by Andrea Shalal, Editing by William Maclean and Tom Heneghan)

http://www.reuters.com/article/kuwait-defence-idUSL8N1550FT
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/01/2016 | 17:02 uur
Citaat van: www.reuters.com Vandaag om 03:36 
AIRSHOW-Kuwait says sticks to F-18 jets despite approval delays


Als alle plannen doorgaan dan wordt het best een interessante luchtmacht, een combi van Eurofighter tranche 3A (of B) en  de (Advanced) Super Hornet.

Zowel Boeing als Airbus zien hun fighter productielijn hard opdrogen, een welkome lifeline voor beiden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 21/01/2016 | 17:09 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/01/2016 | 17:02 uur
Als alle plannen doorgaan dan wordt het best een interessante luchtmacht, een combi van Eurofighter tranche 3A (of B) en  de (Advanced) Super Hornet.

Zowel Boeing als Airbus zien hun fighter productielijn hard opdrogen, een welkome lifeline voor beiden.

Deze Typhoons komen van BAe toch?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/01/2016 | 17:26 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 21/01/2016 | 17:09 uur
Deze Typhoons komen van BAe toch?


Dat is, als de handtekening definitief wordt gezet, een Italiaanse deal. Dat zal denk ik een hoofdrol worden voor Alenia Aermacchi. Hoe eventuele werkverdeling binnen het gelegenheidsconsortium is geregeld weet ik niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 21/01/2016 | 20:24 uur
USAF issues RfI for F-16 SLEP effort

The US Air Force (USAF) is moving ahead with a service-life extension programme (SLEP) of its fleet of Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon combat aircraft, with an initial sources sought notice being issued to industry on 14 January.

The request for information (RfI) posted on the Federal Business Opportunities (FedBizOpps) website seeks to determine the level of industry support for a SLEP for up to 300 of the service's 1,017 Block 40/42 and 50/52 C- and D-model F-16s.

The USAF received its Block 40/42 F-16C/D in 1989, with deliveries of the first Block 50/52 aircraft commencing in 1994. Although the type will eventually be replaced by the Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), the SLEP seeks to extend their flight hour life from 8,000 to 12,000 hours (about eight years of operational flying). The fleet is also receiving new ground collision avoidance systems (some 26% of F-16 aircraft losses and 75% of F-16-related fatalities are caused by 'controlled flight into terrain').

While the USAF received its F-16s under multiple blocks, each with differing capabilities, all aircraft delivered since late 1981 have built-in architecture that permits multirole capabilities. The newer Block 50/52 aircraft also include the capacity to carry and deliver additional precision-guided munitions, such as the GBU-31 Joint Direct Attack Munition and AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon.

According to the RfI, a SLEP contract award is expected in the third quarter of fiscal year (FY) 2018, with low-rate initial production of the kits beginning at the same time. Full-rate kit production will commence in the fourth quarter of FY 2019, with installation beginning in the fourth quarter of FY 2020 and running through to the end of FY 2021. Responses to the RfI are due no later than 6 February. The possibility exists for Foreign Military Sales (FMS) interest in the SLEP also.

http://www.janes.com/article/57336/usaf-issues-rfi-for-f-16-slep-effort
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/01/2016 | 20:43 uur
F-35 fires first AIM-9X missile

from 412th Test Wing Public Affairs

1/21/2016 - EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE, Calif.  -- An F-35 from the 461st Flight Test Squadron launched an AIM-9X missile for the first time over the Pacific Sea Test Range Jan. 12. The Flight Sciences aircraft, AF-1, of the Joint Strike Fighter Integrated Test Force, was piloted by David Nelson, Lockheed Martin chief F-35 test pilot at Edwards AFB.

The AIM-9X is an advanced infrared missile and the newest of the Sidewinder family of short-range air-to-air missiles carried on a wide range of fighter jets.

The missile was launched at 6,000 ft.

The shot paves the way for the F-35 to utilize the weapon's high off-boresight and targeting capabilities, increasing lethality in the visual arena.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=65541)
US Air Force/Lockheed Martin

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=65544)
US Air Force/Lockheed Martin

http://www.edwards.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123467335
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/01/2016 | 11:15 uur
UAE Eyes Moving Mirage Fighters to Iraq's Kurdish Areas, Procuring Rafales

By Awad Mustafa 11:30 a.m. EST January 23, 2016

DUBAI — The United Arab Emirates is awaiting final assurances from France and the Iraqi government to sell its fleet of Dassault Mirage 2000-9s before completing their deal for 60 Rafale fighters, Defense News has learned.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/international/mideast-africa/2016/01/23/uae-eyes-moving-mirage-fighters-iraqs-kurdish-areas-procuring-rafales/79108590/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/01/2016 | 12:30 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/01/2016 | 12:22 uur
Absoluut, liever gisteren dan vandaag maar EU/EUDefensie en knopendoorhakken zijn/lijken een contradictie.

Je ziet het ook in de fighter branche, de wereld is bezig met innovatie en de Europese landen met slechts updates al zou de berichtgeving rondom het Duitse Tornado vervangingsproject enig hoop kunnen bieden op veranderingen die noodzakelijk zijn wil de Europese militaire luchtvaartindustrie na 2030/40 nog een rol van betekenis kunnen spelen.
Om het NH90 topic niet te vervuilen, ga ik hier verder.

Kan de Duitse Tornado vervanger niet gelijk worden getrokken met de Typhoon vervanger? Dan koopt Duitsland een interim type voor de tussentijd, net zoals zij dat in de jaren 70 deden met de F-4F Phantom II.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/01/2016 | 12:47 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 24/01/2016 | 12:30 uur
Om het NH90 topic niet te vervuilen, ga ik hier verder.

Kan de Duitse Tornado vervanger niet gelijk worden getrokken met de Typhoon vervanger? Dan koopt Duitsland een interim type voor de tussentijd, net zoals zij dat in de jaren 70 deden met de F-4F Phantom II.


Dat zou wat mij betreft het meest zinvol en logische zijn, immers de kosten voor ontwikkeling e.d. zijn hoog zeker als daarna het aantal (als aanname 100 exemplaren) af te nemen toestellen beperkt zal zijn.

Interessant zou zijn als dit plan zo leiden tot een bemande/onbemande vervanger van zowel (alle Europese) Tornado als (alle) Eurofighters en Rafales. (als standaard twee pitter voor de EU)

Voor een standaard 1 pitter zou dan op basis van de concept Saab FS2020 een FS2050 kunnen worden ontwikkeld als opvolger van de Gripen E/F waardoor we 2 keuzes hebben uit 2 standaard producten (zonder al te veel compromis) waardoor Europa tegen het midden van deze eeuw langzaam kan migreren naar een all-made-in-EU-fighter-fleet.

Als Duitse interim optie kan ik me een (beperkt) aantal F35A voorstellen welke de kernwapentaak kan vervullen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Elzenga op 24/01/2016 | 13:18 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 24/01/2016 | 12:30 uur
Om het NH90 topic niet te vervuilen, ga ik hier verder.

Kan de Duitse Tornado vervanger niet gelijk worden getrokken met de Typhoon vervanger? Dan koopt Duitsland een interim type voor de tussentijd, net zoals zij dat in de jaren 70 deden met de F-4F Phantom II.
Ik denk dat een groot land als Duitsland niet alles zal inzetten om te komen tot 1 type toestel. Dat is strategisch gezien te riskant. Het zou me dan ook niet verbazen als Duitsland zijn Tornado's gaat vervangen door de F35. De Typhoon dan een nieuw ontwikkelde Europese vervanger krijgt op termijn..nog bemand of optie onbemand. En de F35 dan op termijn vervangen wordt door een nieuw Europees aanvalstoestel...dat zowel bemand als onbemand..of alleen onbemand..kan worden ingezet. Dit aangevuld met een enkelmotor multifunctioneel toestel..opvolger Gripen en F16... dat zowel de trainings- als secundaire aanvals- en luchtverdedigingstaken op zich kan nemen bij landen die zich geen twee soorten toestellen kunnen veroorloven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/01/2016 | 13:22 uur
Citaat van: Elzenga op 24/01/2016 | 13:18 uur
Ik denk dat een groot land als Duitsland niet alles zal inzetten om te komen tot 1 type toestel. Dat is strategisch gezien te riskant. Het zou me dan ook niet verbazen als Duitsland zijn Tornado's gaat vervangen door de F35. De Typhoon dan een nieuw ontwikkelde Europese vervanger krijgt op termijn..nog bemand of optie onbemand. En de F35 dan op termijn vervangen wordt door een nieuw Europees aanvalstoestel...dat zowel bemand als onbemand..of alleen onbemand..kan worden ingezet. Dit aangevuld met een enkelmotor multifunctioneel toestel..opvolger Gripen en F16... dat zowel de trainings- als secundaire aanvals- en luchtverdedigingstaken op zich kan nemen bij landen die zich geen twee soorten toestellen kunnen veroorloven.

Wat ook de uitkomst is: wil men Europees, dan zal men nu een begin moeten maken, we zijn immers zo 20 jaar verder.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Elzenga op 24/01/2016 | 13:36 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/01/2016 | 13:22 uur
Wat ook de uitkomst is: wil men Europees, dan zal men nu een begin moeten maken, we zijn immers zo 20 jaar verder.
Die basis wordt denk ik ook gelegd bij de ontwikkelingen rond de UCAV...als ook deelname van Europese fabrikanten aan 5e generatie projecten elders. Ik denk alleen niet dat de vervanging van de Tornado al een geheel nieuw ontwikkeld toestel zal opleveren..dat pas gebeurd bij de vervanging van de Eurofighter.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/01/2016 | 07:46 uur
Ondertussen in Duitsland: Next-generation weapon system (NextGenWS) &  Future combat air system (FCAS)

The Defense Ministry strategy paper highlights that a next-generation weapon system (NextGenWS), complementary to the Typhoon  Eurofighter, will be developed as successor to the Tornado, which is specialized for ground attack. The NextGenWS might be unmanned, manned or optionally manned, the paper states. A more precise definition will be carried out after further analysis.

In order to preserve the warfare capabilities of the Luftwaffe, the NextGenWS should enter service no later than when the Tornado is taken out of operations. According to current planning, the aircraft will fly until the middle of the next decade, but a decision might be made this year about extending the lifetime of the Tornado into the mid-1930s.

Also in planning is a so-called future combat air system (FCAS), which the ministry describes as a "system-of-systems." It should incorporate the capabilities of existing aircraft, such as Eurofighter, Tornado and the combat helicopter Tiger, but also future weapon systems, such as a new medium-altitude, long-endurance unmanned aircraft and the NextGenWS.

The Defense Ministry intends to define conceptual ideas and operational requirements for an FCAS and a NextGenWS in 2016. These are to serve as a basis for multilateral cooperation and the examination of common requirements and technological feasibility.

According to the paper, the realization of the NextGenWS and the FCAS has to be made with partner nations in a European context, because a purely national approach to develop weapon systems of this complexity is deemed impossible. The ministry wants to initiate a dialogue in Europe soon on common objectives, lines of development and options for action.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/support/2016/01/24/germany-picks-ch-53k-ch-47f-options-new-helo/79142890/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/01/2016 | 09:15 uur
Citaat van: www.defensenews.com Vandaag om 07:46
the realization of the NextGenWS and the FCAS has to be made with partner nations in a European context, because a purely national approach to develop weapon systems of this complexity is deemed impossible. The ministry wants to initiate a dialogue in Europe soon on common objectives, lines of development and options for action.


Nu maar hopen dat beide projecten een kans van slagen hebben, dat men inziet dat het nu tijd voor actie is (inclusief budget) en dat men de wijsheid heeft om geen oeverloze compromis kisten te creëren.

Lijkt me een uitgelezen kans voor Europa om het (nu wel) goed aan te pakken, nu nog een intentie voor een FCAS light/medium en het zou zo maar zo kunnen dat we in de tweede helft van deze eeuw minder/niet meer afhankelijk zijn van de VS.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 25/01/2016 | 11:57 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/01/2016 | 09:15 uur
Nu maar hopen dat beide projecten een kans van slagen hebben, dat men inziet dat het nu tijd voor actie is (inclusief budget) en dat men de wijsheid heeft om geen oeverloze compromis kisten te creëren.

Lijkt me een uitgelezen kans voor Europa om het (nu wel) goed aan te pakken, nu nog een intentie voor een FCAS light/medium en het zou zo maar zo kunnen dat we in de tweede helft van deze eeuw minder/niet meer afhankelijk zijn van de VS.

In dat opzicht hebben we een goed track record.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/01/2016 | 12:05 uur
Fighter jet deals Middle East hang in the balance

Fighter jet deals worth billions of US dollars hang in the balance in the Middle East as they have been doing for a number of years, but things could be moving along now following the apparent ease between Iran and the West. Or did Kuwait and Qatar already make up their mind?

It is no secret that Kuwait is looking to purchase 28 Boeing Super Hornets to replace its fleet of older F/A-18C/D Hornets, and that Qatar has been seeking to buy up to 72 variants of Boeing's F-15 Strike Eagle.

Production

Both orders would come in handy to keep production lines in the US open, particularly the Super Hornet line. A batch of Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) EA-18 Growlers is now in manufacturing and after that it will likely be the end of production for the F-18 Hornet and its variants.

Unless of course Kuwait indeed orders its Super Hornets. A deal never seemed close however, and the reason could very well be that the US did not want to spoil improving relations with shia-Islam orientied Iran by supplying advanced warfare machines to opposing sunni countries such as Qatar and Kuwait.

Israel
That standpoint may change now that the relationship with Iran seems on its way to normalization. On the other hand however, there's also Israel to be taken into account. That country upgrading its F-15I Ra'am (Thunder) jets and won't be very happy to see more Arab states getting similar capabilities, also considering the fact that Saudi Arabia already has an impressive fleet of F-15s – and another 84 new-build F-15SAs (Saudi Advanced) are on their way between now and 2019. The US may be sensitive to this also.

Rafale & Typhoon
But perhaps Qatar and Kuwait have already made up their mind. Since requesting F-15s, the former in April signed to buy 24 French Dassault Rafale jets while the latter eyes 28 Italian-made Eurofighter Typhoon jets. A contract for those was rumoured to be signed last December, but still awaits signatures.

The coming months should tell if there will ever be Qatari F-15s and Kuwaiti Super Hornets. And finally, if there will ever be Iraqi Air Force Mirage 2000s, as the United Arab Emirates are reportedly looking to hand over some of their Mirages to Baghdad.

http://airheadsfly.com/2016/01/24/fighter-deals-in-middle-east-in-the-balance/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/01/2016 | 12:35 uur
Will The White House Finally Clear Qatar To Purchase 72 F-15 Strike Eagles?  (zo goed zijn voor Boeing, 72 F-15E voor Qatar en 28 F-18E voor Koeweit..... goed voor de banen en de productielijnen van de F-15 en F-18 )

Qatar asked for clearance from the U.S. Government to purchase 72 F-15E Strike Eagle derivatives, but the request has been slow-rolled. Now, almost two years later and after the Iran Nuclear Agreement has been implemented, there are high hopes the deal may finally be allowed to move forward.

..../....

voor gehele artikel , zie LINK
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/will-the-white-house-finally-clear-qatar-to-purchase-72-1754719819
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Elzenga op 25/01/2016 | 12:35 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/01/2016 | 07:46 uur
Ondertussen in Duitsland: Next-generation weapon system (NextGenWS) &  Future combat air system (FCAS)

The Defense Ministry strategy paper highlights that a next-generation weapon system (NextGenWS), complementary to the Typhoon  Eurofighter, will be developed as successor to the Tornado, which is specialized for ground attack. The NextGenWS might be unmanned, manned or optionally manned, the paper states. A more precise definition will be carried out after further analysis.

In order to preserve the warfare capabilities of the Luftwaffe, the NextGenWS should enter service no later than when the Tornado is taken out of operations. According to current planning, the aircraft will fly until the middle of the next decade, but a decision might be made this year about extending the lifetime of the Tornado into the mid-1930s.

Also in planning is a so-called future combat air system (FCAS), which the ministry describes as a "system-of-systems." It should incorporate the capabilities of existing aircraft, such as Eurofighter, Tornado and the combat helicopter Tiger, but also future weapon systems, such as a new medium-altitude, long-endurance unmanned aircraft and the NextGenWS.

The Defense Ministry intends to define conceptual ideas and operational requirements for an FCAS and a NextGenWS in 2016. These are to serve as a basis for multilateral cooperation and the examination of common requirements and technological feasibility.

According to the paper, the realization of the NextGenWS and the FCAS has to be made with partner nations in a European context, because a purely national approach to develop weapon systems of this complexity is deemed impossible. The ministry wants to initiate a dialogue in Europe soon on common objectives, lines of development and options for action.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/support/2016/01/24/germany-picks-ch-53k-ch-47f-options-new-helo/79142890/
Interessant! Benieuwd wat dit gaat worden en of de Tornado nog langer in dienst zal blijven. "Next generation" is vaak een eufemisme voor de F35 (zie discussie in België nu). Ik zou een EUropees project toejuichen, maar houdt het gevoel dat dit nog te vroeg is voor de vervanging van de Tornado. Ook omdat de Britten die gaan vervangen door mix van Eurofighter, F35 en UCAV. Zie de Britten dus nog niet snel instappen in dit project..de Fransen heel misschien (vervanger Mirage 2000N/D?)...en een Duitse alleingang in deze wordt dus afgeraden. Bij de toekomstige vervanging van de Eurofighter en Rafale komen de lijnen van deze EUropese bondgenoten wel weer bij elkaar...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/01/2016 | 12:52 uur
Citaat van: Elzenga op 25/01/2016 | 12:35 uur
"Next generation" is vaak een eufemisme voor de F35 (zie discussie in België nu).

Over de brede linie waar sprake is van een nieuw gevechtsvliegtuig wordt gesproken over: next generation (Turkije, Z-Korea, Japan, Rusland, China, US en nu dan ook in Europa)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/01/2016 | 12:58 uur
Citaat van: Elzenga op 25/01/2016 | 12:35 uur
maar houdt het gevoel dat dit nog te vroeg is voor de vervanging van de Tornado.

Te vroeg?

Van concept gedachte naar operationeel inzetbaar.... vanaf vandaag gerekend zit je op z'n vroegst in 2030.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Micheltje op 25/01/2016 | 13:05 uur
Citaat van: Elzenga op 25/01/2016 | 12:35 uur
Interessant! Benieuwd wat dit gaat worden en of de Tornado nog langer in dienst zal blijven. "Next generation" is vaak een eufemisme voor de F35 (zie discussie in België nu). Ik zou een EUropees project toejuichen, maar houdt het gevoel dat dit nog te vroeg is voor de vervanging van de Tornado. Ook omdat de Britten die gaan vervangen door mix van Eurofighter, F35 en UCAV. Zie de Britten dus nog niet snel instappen in dit project..de Fransen heel misschien (vervanger Mirage 2000N/D?)...en een Duitse alleingang in deze wordt dus afgeraden. Bij de toekomstige vervanging van de Eurofighter en Rafale komen de lijnen van deze EUropese bondgenoten wel weer bij elkaar...

Misschien een opzet om daar om Nederland in bij te betrekken om de te korten qua aanschaf van de F35 op te vangen?
En dan de huidige F16 door te laten vliegen zolang dat kan
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Elzenga op 25/01/2016 | 13:17 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/01/2016 | 12:58 uur
Te vroeg?

Van concept gedachte naar operationeel inzetbaar.... vanaf vandaag gerekend zit je op z'n vroegst in 2030.
Klopt..en dat is ook de tijd dat men de Tornado wil vervangen. Maar ik zie dus onvoldoende animo bij grote Europese bondgenoten om in dit project mee te gaan en begrijp dat een alleingang van de Duitsers in deze geen optie is (al doen ze dit nog steeds wel bij menig ander project). Daarom neig ik dus naar de ontwikkeling, dat ook Duitsland de F35 zal gaan aanschaffen ter vervanging van de Tornado (samen met de Eurofighter in de mix..zoals de Britten doen).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/01/2016 | 14:06 uur
Citaat van: Micheltje op 25/01/2016 | 13:05 uur
Misschien een opzet om daar om Nederland in bij te betrekken om de te korten qua aanschaf van de F35 op te vangen?
En dan de huidige F16 door te laten vliegen zolang dat kan

Als... dan zouden we 2 x een aanvalsvliegtuig hebben waarbij ik op voorhand niet de indruk heb dat het apparaat een "low budget" oplossing wordt (als het ooit van de grond komt)

De huidige F16's zijn medio volgend decennium tot de draad versleten... het was anders geweest als we de NF5 destijds hadden vervangen door de F16C block 40, die hadden we nog een "end life update" kunnen geven zodat er nog een paar duizend extra vlieguren uit te persen was...

Gepasseerd station.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/01/2016 | 14:12 uur
Citaat van: Elzenga op 25/01/2016 | 13:17 uur
Klopt..en dat is ook de tijd dat men de Tornado wil vervangen. Maar ik zie dus onvoldoende animo bij grote Europese bondgenoten om in dit project mee te gaan en begrijp dat een alleingang van de Duitsers in deze geen optie is (al doen ze dit nog steeds wel bij menig ander project). Daarom neig ik dus naar de ontwikkeling, dat ook Duitsland de F35 zal gaan aanschaffen ter vervanging van de Tornado (samen met de Eurofighter in de mix..zoals de Britten doen).

Dat zou mij ook niets verbazen, immers de ontwikkeling van een nieuwe kist loopt in de tientallen miljarden en dan moeten ze nog aangeschaft worden... Een x aantal F35A van de plank is aanzienlijk goedkoper en aanzienlijk sneller leverbaar.





Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 25/01/2016 | 14:17 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/01/2016 | 14:12 uur
Dat zou mij ook niets verbazen, immers de ontwikkeling van een nieuwe kist loopt in de tientallen miljarden en dan moeten ze nog aangeschaft worden... Een x aantal F35A van de plank is aanzienlijk goedkoper en aanzienlijk sneller leverbaar.







Het hoeft geen tientallen miljarden te kosten. Volg een meer incrementele aanpak (zoals bij de Gripen) en het zou best voor een redelijk vedrag mogelijk zijn. Misschien willen de Polen wel meedoen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/01/2016 | 14:31 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 25/01/2016 | 14:17 uur
Het hoeft geen tientallen miljarden te kosten. Volg een meer incrementele aanpak (zoals bij de Gripen) en het zou best voor een redelijk vedrag mogelijk zijn. Misschien willen de Polen wel meedoen.

Over track record gesproken...

Laten we eerst maar eens zien of het meer dan een papieren gedachte wordt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Elzenga op 25/01/2016 | 14:35 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/01/2016 | 14:12 uur
Dat zou mij ook niets verbazen, immers de ontwikkeling van een nieuwe kist loopt in de tientallen miljarden en dan moeten ze nog aangeschaft worden... Een x aantal F35A van de plank is aanzienlijk goedkoper en aanzienlijk sneller leverbaar.
Ik heb zo'n gevoel dat het daar inderdaad op gaat uitdraaien. Maar de Duiters hun kruit nog even droog houden..ook gezien de kosten-ontwikkeling van de F35. En dan hun geld gaan steken in  hoogwaardige UCAVs en de beoogde opvolger van de Eurofighter.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 25/01/2016 | 15:03 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/01/2016 | 14:31 uur
Over track record gesproken...

Laten we eerst maar eens zien of het meer dan een papieren gedachte wordt.

Aan een afwachtende houding heb je niks, dit soort zaken gaan niet vanzelf.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/01/2016 | 15:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/01/2016 | 14:06 uur
De huidige F16's zijn medio volgend decennium tot de draad versleten... het was anders geweest als we de NF5 destijds hadden vervangen door de F16C block 40, die hadden we nog een "end life update" kunnen geven zodat er nog een paar duizend extra vlieguren uit te persen was...

Gepasseerd station.
Een interessante what if. De NF-5 squadrons vervingen in de periode 1986-1991. De eerste F-16C/D Block 40 (GE F110-GE-100) werd pas in 1989 aan de USAF geleverd. Pas vanaf 1990 werd de Block 40/42 geëxporteerd. In de periode 1990-1994/1995 zou dan levering van de Block 42 (P&W F100-PW-220) aan Nederland plaats hebben gevonden.

Zouden 2 tot 3 jaar jongere F-16C/D's (laatste F-16A J-021 werd in 1992 geleverd) echt een end life update kunnen hebben gehad?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/01/2016 | 15:54 uur
Dassault to work with India to build on new Rafale agreement

By Murdo Morrison, Paris | 25 January 2016

Dassault says it will "go step by step" to securing further Rafale orders from India after prime minister Narendra Modi signed an agreement on 25 January with his French counterpart to purchase 36 of the type.

During a state visit by president Francois Hollande, the French and Indian governments signed an intergovernmental agreement which "paves the way" for the conclusion of a contract, and Dassault says it is working with Paris to finalise it within four weeks.

Speaking to Flightglobal on 20 January – ahead of Hollande's visit to India this week – Dassault Aviation chief executive Eric Trappier said the company would work with the customer to add to the order.

Four years ago, New Delhi selected the Rafale for its $20 billion, 126-aircraft Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) requirement, but in August cancelled the doomed programme after announcing it was likely to only place an order for 36 fighters.

The acquisition of the 36 aircraft is now set to go ahead, although financial issues relating to the new agreement need to be agreed, which "must be resolved as soon as possible", a joint government statement says.

Under the agreement, Dassault will supply French-built aircraft in "flyaway" condition, although Trappier acknowledges selling further fighters will require the formal involvement of Indian industry in their production, thought to be a stumbling block to securing a larger initial deal.

"We worked to get [an order for] 126, but it took time as we had to license HAL [Hindustan Aeronautics]. It looks like the [Indian] government has decided to go faster, with 36 to fly away," says Trappier.

He adds Dassault does not have "concerns" about the ability of potential industrial partners to participate in the Rafale programme, but says "it will take time for India to reach that competence". Also, "their industry is very busy [with other military projects]", he adds.

"If they order more we will have to create more jobs in India."

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=55100)
Dassault

A sale to India would mark the third export contract for the Rafale, following deals last year with Egypt and Qatar, each for 24 aircraft.

Trappier is also confident of securing business from Canada, whose new government is threatening to pull out of its commitment to the Lockheed Martin F-35 with the launch of a new competition.

"Canada is interesting," says Trappier. "We are waiting for them to launch a competition and we will be a solid candidate."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/dassault-to-work-with-india-to-build-on-new-rafale-a-421190/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/01/2016 | 16:03 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 25/01/2016 | 15:03 uur
Aan een afwachtende houding heb je niks, dit soort zaken gaan niet vanzelf.

Daar ben ik het mee eens, met afwachten bedoel ik: hier op het forum, ik verwacht voortvarendheid van de Duitsers.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 25/01/2016 | 16:09 uur
Rafale zou het zo nog goed kunnen krijgen. Extra order uit India en als de order voor Boeing vanuit Qatar niet doorgaat (hopen), is daar ook nog wel een extra bestelling te verwachten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/01/2016 | 16:11 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 25/01/2016 | 16:09 uur
Rafale zou het zo nog goed kunnen krijgen. Extra order uit India en als de order voor Boeing vanuit Qatar niet doorgaat (hopen), is daar ook nog wel een extra bestelling te verwachten.

Niet te vergeten de te verwachten order van 60 exemplaren uit de VAE.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 25/01/2016 | 16:34 uur
En zo worden de luchtmachten in het midden-oosten en afrika steeds meer van hypermoderne gevechtsvliegtuigen voorzien

Toestellen die in de toekomst op onze targetlist zouden kunnen staan...

En ondertussen slinken de westerse luchtmachten nog steeds
Onverantwoord vind ik
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Elzenga op 25/01/2016 | 16:53 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 25/01/2016 | 16:09 uur
Rafale zou het zo nog goed kunnen krijgen. Extra order uit India en als de order voor Boeing vanuit Qatar niet doorgaat (hopen), is daar ook nog wel een extra bestelling te verwachten.
Denk ik ook goed voor de toekomstige ontwikkeling van de opvolger van de Typhoon en Rafale...als de Rafale wat beter verkoopt nog...meer evenwicht in het nieuwe programma. Al zet ik grootte kanttekeningen bij bepaalde orders in het kader van onevenwichtig buitenlands (economisch) beleid..maar dat is een andere discussie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/01/2016 | 12:34 uur
Saudi Arabia integrates Brimstone on Tornado, though yet to acquire missile   

Saudi Arabia has provisioned its Panavia Tornado IDS strike aircraft with an initial capability to employ the MBDA Brimstone air-to-surface missile, but has yet to formally acquire the system, the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) told IHS Jane's on 25 January.

Responding to a freedom of information (FoI) request, the MoD revealed that the Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF) received an initial Brimstone capability for its Tornado IDS fleet in 2015. Work was carried out by BAE Systems in the UK, with a small number of missiles being fired in Saudi Arabia for test and evaluation purposes.

The work was conducted by BAE Systems under the RSAF's Tornado Sustainment Programme (TSP) that also saw the MBDA Storm Shadow cruise missile, 1,000 lb 'dumb bombs', 1,000 lb Paveway II laser-guided bombs, and the Thales Damocles targeting and navigation pod integrated onto the aircraft. While the MoD confirmed that Saudi Arabia has acquired an undisclosed number of Storm Shadow missiles, it noted that the kingdom has not ordered the Brimstone, even though it requested the capability to employ it.

International media reported in 2015 that Saudi Arabia was already using the Brimstone missile, though these reports could be incorrect and the Brimstone capability has been integrated onto the RSAF's Tornados ahead of a planned future order for the missile. Alternatively, some missile stocks may have been transferred from the UK's inventory, as the only current operator of the system, ahead of a formal order for the missile. It could also be that the RSAF's priorities have changed given its involvement in Yemen, and that a Brimstone procurement has been delayed for the time being. The MoD had not responded to a request for clarification by the time IHS Jane's went to press.

Although the precise status of any Saudi Arabian Brimstone order is unclear, the missile was photographed by IHS Jane's aboard an RSAF Tornado during integration trials as far back as 2007.

http://www.janes.com/article/57442/saudi-arabia-integrates-brimstone-on-tornado-though-yet-to-acquire-missile
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/01/2016 | 12:47 uur
RAF pilots successfully test threat awareness and pilot safety enhancements for Typhoon jets

Eurofighter Press Release | 23 January 2016

The latest enhancements for the Eurofighter Typhoon combat jet have been successfully tested by UK Royal Air Force (RAF) pilots in flight trials conducted at BAE Systems' Military Air & Information business in Warton, Lancashire.

An early version of the Phase 2 Enhancement (P2Ea) Typhoon was flown by pilots from the RAF's Test and Evaluation Squadron, based at RAF Coningsby. The P2Ea package incorporates software and avionics improvements such as upgrades to the radar, defensive aids systems and targeting pods. These enhancements will not only increase threat awareness and pilot safety, but also improve Typhoon's targeting capabilities. P2Ea forms part of the full Phase 2 Enhancement (P2E) package for Typhoon.

Testing of the package will be ongoing throughout 2016 with weapons integration tests also scheduled for this year.

Wing Commander Steven Berry, Officer Commanding 41(R) Test and Evaluation Sqn, said:

"The P2Ea upgrade brings some major capability changes and some welcome tweaks to the existing capabilities. The enhancements mean as an air-to-surface platform, Typhoon has the simplicity and flexibility in the design to be easily employed in close air support missions or more complex scenarios like convoy over-watch.

"By 2019, Typhoon will be filling a lot of roles including air defence of the UK, offensive and defensive counter-air, stand-off attack and close air support.  That's a lot of skills for a front line squadron to master. Typhoon needs to deliver all of that capability in a simple, reliable cockpit."

41(R) Sqn TES (Test and Evaluation Squadron) conducted two tests on an early version of the P2Ea - a typical air-to-air exercise and an air-to-surface exercise targeting simulated targets. The feedback from these tests has been assessed and will now be used to influence the final design.

Andy Flynn, Head of Capability Delivery Programmes for Combat Air at BAE Systems, said:

"Working with the customer test teams at this stage provides us with invaluable feedback that we can assess and directly feedback into the design process. This combined testing approach is a fundamental part of how we are improving the way we do business. It allows the customer to fly capability improvements at an early stage and provide feedback to ensure the upgrades are exactly what they need."

P2Ea is a stepping stone along the path of the RAF's Project CENTURION designed to ensure a seamless transition between Typhoon and Tornado capabilities when Tornado goes out of service in 2019.

The full P2E upgrade for the RAF will include the integration of the MBDA Meteor Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile. The next phase of enhancements, P3E, will bring the MBDA Storm Shadow cruise missile and MBDA Brimstone 2 close air support weapon into service on Typhoon for the UK. Both P2E and P3E will be delivered through Project CENTURION.

(https://www.eurofighter.com/files/thumbs/post/IPA6.jpg) (https://www.eurofighter.com/files/thumbs/post/ipa6_2.jpg)

https://www.eurofighter.com/news-and-events/2016/01/raf-pilots-successfully-test-threat-awareness-and-pilot-safety-enhancements-for-typhoon-jets
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/01/2016 | 15:19 uur
F-35 jets headed to UK air shows this summer: U.S. Marines

By Andrea Shalal, Washington | January 25, 2016

The U.S. Marine Corps on Monday said it would send a pair of Lockheed Martin Corp F-35 fighter jets to two air shows in Britain this summer, a key milestone for the $391 billion weapons program after its thwarted international debut in 2014.

Some U.S. Air Force F-35 jets will also take part in the events, according to sources familiar with the plans. Air Force officials could not immediately be reached for comment.

A fleetwide F-35 grounding ordered after an engine fire in 2014 prevented what would have been the jets' international premiere at the annual Royal International Air Tattoo and an appearance at the world's biggest air show in Farnborough, outside London, both that year.

Since then, an F-35 jet assembled in Italy has made its inaugural flight there, but this year's appearance at RIAT will be the first by the stealthy, supersonic new warplane at an international air show.

"The U.S. Marine Corps is looking forward to demonstrating the capabilities of the F-35B Lightning II in the skies over the United Kingdom this July," Deputy Commandant for Aviation Lieutenant General Jon Davis said in statement to Reuters.

Davis said a joint U.S. Marine Corps and UK detachment would use the flights to validate overseas deployment activities and prove program interoperability. The Pentagon's F-35 program office and Lockheed would support the work, he said.

The British defense ministry had no immediate comment.

One of the sources said Britain planned to send at least one of the four F-35 jets it has already received to the air shows. The British jets are currently training in the United States.

Lockheed is developing three models of the jet, also known as the Joint Strike Fighter, or Lightning II, with key suppliers Northrop Grumman Corp and Britain's BAE Systems Plc. Pratt & Whitney, a unit of United Technologies Corp, builds the engines.

Besides Britain, seven other countries helped fund development of the jets: Norway, Australia, Canada, Denmark, Turkey, Italy and the Netherlands. All but Canada and Denmark have since ordered jets, as have Israel, Japan and South Korea.

The F-35 program, the Pentagon's single largest weapons project, ran into technical problems and cost overruns for years, but U.S. officials say it has improved and that costs have fallen for the past five years.

The Marine Corp's F-35B model can take off from warships and aircraft carriers and land like a helicopter. The service branch plans to buy a total of 420 F-35B-model and C-model jets, which can fly onto and take off from aircraft carriers.

The Air Force plans to buy 1,763 A-model jets, which take off and land on conventional runways.

Davis said lessons identified from the deployment would help the Marines as they set up a second F-35 fighter attack squadron this summer and prepare for the first one to move to Iwakuni, Japan, in 2017.

The Marine Corps in July announced an initial squadron of 10 F-35 jets ready for combat, and the Air Force is due to follow suit this summer.

(Additional reporting by Sarah Young in London; Editing by Chizu Nomiyama, Lisa Von Ahn and Alistair Bell)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-lockheed-fighter-idUSKCN0V32HF
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/01/2016 | 10:18 uur
Bahrain considering F-16V order, fleet upgrade

Bahrain is nearing a decision on whether to launch a major programme to modernise its Lockheed Martin F-16s and acquire an additional batch in an advanced V-model configuration.

Facing increased operational demand due to its involvement in the coalition campaign against Islamic State militants in the Middle East, the Royal Bahraini Air Force is looking to boost capabilities, says Rick Groesch, regional vice-president, Middle East for Lockheed Martin Aeronautics.

"They are thinking about upgrading their airplanes – we have been in discussion for a while," Groesch told Flightglobal during the Bahrain International Airshow.

Modernising Bahrain's in-service fleet to the F-16V standard would include the integration of an active electronically scanned array sensor, already identified as Northrop Grumman's scalable agile beam radar. With the US government, the progamme would also add precision-guided weapons, such as from Boeing's joint direct attack munition series, and Lockheed's Sniper targeting pod.

In parallel with the upgrade, the service could also acquire "17 or 18" new-build F-16Vs, Groesch says. These would differ through the installation of conformal fuel tanks, which he notes would enable the assets to operate with more weapons beneath the wing, in place of 370gal fuel tanks.

Confirming Bahrain has asked for pricing, availability and schedule data about a potential deal via the Foreign Military Sales framework, Groesch says: "In early February we will start to discuss the request with the US government. Bahrain has seen the need to get this going, due to the operational tempo now."

Groesch says the lead aircraft involved in an upgrade would undergo modification and flight test in Bahrain with Lockheed, and subsequent examples would receive the enhancements with the assistance of the nation's air force.

Flightglobal's Fleets Analyzer database records the Royal Bahraini Air Force's inventory as including 16 F-16Cs and four D-model trainers, after a single-seat example was destroyed in a non-fatal accident in Saudi Arabia.

If concluded, the deal with Bahrain would enable Lockheed to extend production of the F-16 beyond 2017.

"We're talking to several other customers at the moment," about possible upgrades or purchases says Groesch, who identifies Jordan as having a near-term requirement to modernise its inventory.

Two years ago, details emerged of a possible deal to supply the United Arab Emirates with additional F-16s in an upgraded Block 60 configuration, along with a modernisation activity for its current examples. A deal has yet to be signed, but Groesch confirms: "We're still talking to them about that."

Separately, Bahrain has yet to confirm an intention to replace its remaining 12 Northrop F-5E/Fs. With the Eurofighter Typhoon considered a leading contender for such a requirement, campaign lead BAE Systems exhibited a full-scale replica and had a simulator on show at the 21-23 January event, staged at Sakhir air base.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/bahrain-considering-f-16v-order-fleet-upgrade-421250/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/01/2016 | 16:55 uur
Italian MoD Source: Kuwait To Sign Deal for 28 Eurofighters

By Tom Kington 9:23 a.m. EST January 27, 2016

ROME — Kuwait is expected to sign a deal to buy 28 Eurofighter aircraft on Jan. 31, an Italian Ministry of Defense source has told Defense News.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2016/01/27/italian-mod-source-kuwait-sign-deal-28-eurofighters/79394322/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/01/2016 | 09:24 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/01/2016 | 16:55 uur
Italian MoD Source: Kuwait To Sign Deal for 28 Eurofighters

By Tom Kington 9:23 a.m. EST January 27, 2016

ROME — Kuwait is expected to sign a deal to buy 28 Eurofighter aircraft on Jan. 31, an Italian Ministry of Defense source has told Defense News.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2016/01/27/italian-mod-source-kuwait-sign-deal-28-eurofighters/79394322/


Dus (nog) geen F-18E's , maar eerst Eurofighters voor Koeweit. Dit alleen omdat de beslissing tot verkoop in de VS te lang duurt volgens Koeweit.

After delays in gaining approval from the US to buy new F-18 Super Hornets, Kuwait instead looks set to sign contracts external link for twenty-eight Eurofighter Typhoon jets to replace their older F-18s. An official in the Italian Ministry of Defense said minister Roberta Pinotti would visit Kuwait on Sunday to sign papers finalizing the deal estimated to be worth $8.7 billion. Talks had been ongoing since November with issues over pilot training delaying the deal, but should be completed within eighteen months. The switch in allegiance will no doubt annoy manufacturer Boeing, and may see renewed frustrations over the lengthy congressional approval process for foreign military sales.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/

One senior official said the decision came after repeated US delays regarding the acquisition of a new fleet of Boeing F-18 Super Hornets.
"We were trying to acquire the F-18 Super Hornets and replace the existing fleet of F-18s with Super Hornets and Eurofighter Typhoons," he said.  "However, we cannot wait for the American approval and need to update our Air Force now."


http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2016/01/27/italian-mod-source-kuwait-sign-deal-28-eurofighters/79394322/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/01/2016 | 09:32 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 28/01/2016 | 09:24 uur
Dus (nog) geen F-18E's , maar eerst Eurofighters voor Koeweit. Dit alleen omdat de beslissing tot verkoop in de VS te lang duurt volgens Koeweit.


En daarmee stres bij Boeing.... de productielijn van de SH droogt nu in een rap tempo op en (voorlopig) zonder export orders maakt ze afhankelijk van eventuele extra US order die (nog) niet in de pijplijn zitten.

Zwanenzang voor de Hornet?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/01/2016 | 10:29 uur
Valt mij op dat de VS de laatste tijd wat terughoudend is met toestemmingen voor verkoop van wapensystemen, zoals nu ook bij Koeweit voor de verkoop van de F-18.  en eigenlijk ook bij de F-15E's

Door te lang wachten, zullen verkoop van Eurofighters en Rafales alleen maar toenemen.

Ik weet dat defensie verkoop/aankoop trajecten zijn van jaren (soms nog langer), maar toch ....

Ik snap ook dat de VS liever de F-35 wil verkopen, maar deze zullen ze zeker niet aanbieden aan de Golfstaten, dus dan blijven alleen de F-16, F-18 en F-15's over om te verkopen. Dat zijn maar "oude" 4de generatie type toestellen, toch ...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/01/2016 | 11:13 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 28/01/2016 | 10:29 uur
Ik snap ook dat de VS liever de F-35 wil verkopen, maar deze zullen ze zeker niet aanbieden aan de Golfstaten, dus dan blijven alleen de F-16, F-18 en F-15's over om te verkopen. Dat zijn maar "oude" 4de generatie type toestellen, toch ...

Zoals het er (nog nog) naar uit ziet zijn de lijnen van de F18 en F16 definitief gesloten tegen het einde van dit decennium, al heeft Boeing met haar F15 familie nog twee spannende ijzers in het vuur: Israël voor de SE en Qatar voor de E, toch een +/- 100 exemplaren.

Indien de VS blijft treuzelen met de Qatar optie, dan zou het mij niet verbazen als de blik, net als die van de VAE, richting Parijs gaat.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/01/2016 | 11:59 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/01/2016 | 11:13 uur
Zoals het er (nog nog) naar uit zijn de lijnen van de F18 en F16 definitief gesloten tegen het einde van dit decennium, al heeft Boeing met haar F15 familie nog twee spannende ijzers in het vuur: Israël voor de SE en Qatar voor de E, toch een +/- 100 exemplaren.
Het kan ook maar zo zijn dat extra F-15's voor Israel (zij willen één extra squadron) alleen onderhuids SE technologie hebben en qua uiterlijk op de F-15I lijken. Overigens heeft Israël onlangs ingestemd met de F-15I modernisering (zie Antwoord #161).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/01/2016 | 12:07 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 28/01/2016 | 11:59 uur
Het kan ook maar zo zijn dat extra F-15's voor Israel (zij willen één extra squadron) alleen onderhuids SE technologie hebben en qua uiterlijk op de F-15I lijken. Overigens heeft Israël onlangs ingestemd met de F-15I modernisering (zie Antwoord #161).

Is idd even afwachten wat de definitieve keuze gaat worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/01/2016 | 10:56 uur


ATD-X to spur Japan's advanced fighter research

By Greg Waldron, Singapore | 29 January 2016

The Mitsubishi ATD-X fighter technology demonstrator could conduct its maiden flight in February, following a media rollout in Japan on 29 January.

The rollout offered reporters unprecdented access to the aircraft, unofficially named 'ShinShin' which was developed by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries in Nagoya.

The Y39.2 billion ($27 million) ATD-X, which has been delayed for several years, will conduct a test campaign explore advanced "fifth generation" fighter technologies, namely stealth, thrust vectoring, advanced sensors, and datalinks.

As reported previously by Flightglobal, the aircraft small by fighter standards with a length of 14.2m (46.5ft) and a wingspan of 9.1m.

It is powered by two IHI XF5-1 low-bypass engines. A video shared with journalists shows that the engines are equipped with afterburners that have been ground tested. Mitsubishi previously had automatic engine restart issues with the engine control software, but apparently these have been resolved. The engine inlets have stealth coatings.

The aircraft will not be armed and is likely to be retired after two to three years in service. The technology tests could eventually make their way into an indigenous fighter, the F-3, that would replace Japan's fleet of Mitsubishi F-2s and F-15Js in the 2030s.

The ATD-X is calibrated to address Tokyo's concerns that it lacks the know-how to develop advanced fighters indigenously.

For years, Japan tried unsuccessfully to obtain the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor, but Washington's concerns about leaks prevented this aircraft from being exported. Tokyo eventually ordered 42 F-35s in 2011, which are to be built under licence by Mitsubishi. It is not clear, however, how much access to sensitive technologies this acquisition will provide.

Meanwhile, Tokyo is concerned by aircraft developments in regional rivals. China is making steady progress with its Chengdu J-20 fighter, with some Chinese blog sites reporting that this large aircraft, which has some stealth features, has entered low rate initial production. At the Dubai Air Show in November 2015, Avic also hosted a presentation about another advanced Chinese jet, the FC-31, apparently a follow-on aircraft of the J-31.

Closer to home, South Korea is committed to developing the KFX fighter in cooperation with Indonesia.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/atd-x-to-spur-japans-advanced-fighter-research-421374/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/01/2016 | 20:24 uur
Japan will likely try to partner with the USA on a sixth generation jet fighter project

http://nextbigfuture.com/2016/01/japan-will-likely-try-to-partner-with.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/01/2016 | 12:23 uur
Boeing Defense Jobs In St. Louis At Risk As Kuwait F-18 Super Hornet Deal Left Uncertain

By Christopher Harress @Charress   On 01/29/16

http://www.ibtimes.com/boeing-defense-jobs-st-louis-risk-kuwait-f-18-super-hornet-deal-left-uncertain-2284719
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 02/02/2016 | 08:52 uur
Navy to request for 16 Super Hornets    ( De Navy kan nog niet genoeg krijgen van de F-18, productielijn zou hierdoor weer wat langer openblijven.)

The U.S. Navy will request to buy 2 Super Hornets for fiscal 2017 budget and 14 more aircraft in fiscal 2018, Reuters reported

http://alert5.com/2016/02/02/navy-to-request-for-20-super-hornets/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/02/2016 | 09:38 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 02/02/2016 | 08:52 uur
Navy to request for 16 Super Hornets    ( De Navy kan nog niet genoeg krijgen van de F-18, productielijn zou hierdoor weer wat langer openblijven.)
Het is niet alleen dat zij graag willen, maar ook omdat zij moeten. Voordat de F-35C productie echt op stoom is gekomen, ontstaat een tekort bij de Carrier Air Wings. De legacy Hornet squadrons (USN en USMC) lopen op hun laatste benen. Hoe vaak er al niet is gesproken over een Service Life Extension Program (SLEP) voor de legacy Hornets en Super Hornets.

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/blog/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=1919
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 02/02/2016 | 09:51 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 02/02/2016 | 09:38 uur
Het is niet alleen dat zij graag willen, maar ook omdat zij moeten. Voordat de F-35C productie echt op stoom is gekomen, ontstaat een tekort bij de Carrier Air Wings. De legacy Hornet squadrons (USN en USMC) lopen op hun laatste benen. Hoe vaak er al niet is gesproken over een Service Life Extension Program (SLEP) voor de legacy Hornets en Super Hornets.

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/blog/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=1919

Gezien de aantallen denk ik eigenlijk dat het ook vooral een SLEP van de productiecapaciteit is, die de marine nog niet durft op te geven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/02/2016 | 16:49 uur
US Navy plans SLEP for Super Hornet fleet

Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly | 02 February 2016

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With the earliest delivered Super Hornets set to reach the end of their service lives in about 2017, the US Navy is to roll out a service life extension programme for the type that should help offset delays with the F-35C. Source: US Navy

The US Navy intends to launch a service life extension programme (SLEP) for its fleet of Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet combat aircraft, a notice posted on the Federal Business Opportunities (FedBizOpps) website reveals.

The notice, which was originally published by the The Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) on 19 January and updated on 1 February, is for Boeing to undertake a SLEP of the F/A-18E/F aft fuselage to extend the life of the aircraft upwards from the current 6,000 hours.

NAVAIR revealed no details pertaining to the number of aircraft involved, the extent of the increase in the service life of the aircraft, timelines, or contract values. Neither did the notification say whether the effort would be extended to international operators, which are currently limited to Australia but expected to include Kuwait shortly.

The US Navy fields approximately 550 F/A-18E/F Super Hornets, the first of which entered service in the late 1990s. The earliest aircraft to be delivered are expected to reach the end of their current 6,000-hour service lives in about 2017, which is two years ahead of the planned declaration of initial operating capability for the carrier variant Lockheed Martin F-35C Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) aircraft.

Delays to the F-35C have already prompted the US Navy to execute a SLEP for 150 of its more than 600 legacy F/A-18 Hornet fleet (including US Marine Corps [USMC] assets). The goal of this particular SLEP is to increase the service life of the 1980s-vintage jets out to 10,000 hours, with the aim of keeping them in operational service until 2035. Other enhancements being considered for the legacy Hornets include a new active electronically scanned array (AESA) integrating the Link 16 datalink, colour screens in the cockpit and navigation upgrades with a moving map display, new Naval Aircrew Common Ejector Seats, and the Joint Helmet-Mounted Cueing System.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/02/2016 | 09:33 uur
USAF considers defensive lasers for future fighters

By James Drew, Washington DC | 02 February 2016

The dawn of the combat laser era might begin in 2021 when the US air force hopes to begin demonstrations of a podded electric laser system for fifth and sixth-generation fighter jets that can destroy incoming missiles, not just steer them off course.

Today, the air force research laboratory started gathering market information under an advanced technology demonstration programme known as SHiELD, or self-protect high-energy laser demonstrator.

According to the request for information notice, the project seeks to integrate a "moderate power" electric laser into a protective pod for supersonic combat jets, including fifth-generation jets like the Lockheed Martin F-35 and F-22 as well as future fighters and bombers.

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Northrop Grumman

"SHiELD seeks to expand moderate power (tens of kilowatts) laser weapon operation into the supersonic regime by demonstrating system performance under transonic flight, and acquiring aero-effects data under a supersonic environment relevant to current and future tactical aircraft," the notice states.

"Advanced laser options under investigation are those with size and weight appropriate for integration as part of a complete laser weapon system into an aerodynamic integrated pod-like structure carried by a tactical aircraft."

The laser pod would be significantly more powerful than current-generation self-protection capabilities like Northrop Grumman's directional infrared countermeasure (DIRCM) system. It's added power could burn or otherwise disable infrared and radar-guided missiles at high speeds.

Military scientists hope to validate the laser pod in a laboratory environment (technology readiness level four) by 2017 and be ready for prototype demonstration by 2021, the notice says.

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General Atomics Aeronautical Systems

The air force has long sought to introduce airborne laser weapons, but the technology remains elusive. Lockheed Martin has explored laser weapon options for the F-35, and US special operations forces want to install a laser gun on the new AC-130J Ghostrider gunship by 2020.

Instead of chemical lasers that were favoured for the defunct Boeing YAL-1A airborne laser testbed, air force and industry officials now see electric-powered lasers as the best way forward.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-considers-defensive-lasers-for-future-fighters-421535/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/02/2016 | 10:45 uur
Pentagon budget 2017: USAF postpones retirement of 'devastating' A-10

Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly | 02 February 2016

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The A-10's 'devastating' performance against the Islamic State in the Middle East has prompted the DoD to defer retirement until 2022. Source: US Air Force

The US Air Force (USAF) has postponed the retirement of its Fairchild-Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II ground attack aircraft as a consequence of its continued need on the battlefield, it was announced on 2 February.

Previewing the upcoming release of the Pentagon's fiscal year 2017 (FY 2017) budget request, Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter disclosed that the A-10's retirement will be deferred until 2022 on account of its "devastating" performance against the Islamic State in the Middle East.

The decision not to immediately withdraw the A-10, as previously outlined, represents a spectacular volte-face for the Department of Defense (DoD), which had stated that it was necessary to retire the 1970s-vintage platform so as to free up resources and personnel for the introduction into service of its successor, the Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter.

Since the DoD's intention to fast-track the retirement of the USAF's approximately 300 A-10s from the planned out-of-service date of 2028 to 'as soon as possible' were first announced in 2014, the issue has been hotly debated and contested at the highest levels of government.

Supporters of the legacy platform asserted that it offers an unparalleled close-air support capability, primarily by means of its 30 mm GAU-8 Avenger cannon, and that its divestment would go so far as to endanger the lives of US and coalition troops on the ground. The DoD countered this by claiming that the A-10 was past its prime and that it could no longer be expected to survive for long over a modern battlefield (a position that appears to have been fatally undermined by the platform's showing against the Islamic State).

Ever since the end of the Cold War in the early 1990s, the USAF has attempted on several occasions to rid itself of the A-10, claiming that the platform is 'a one-trick pony'.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 03/02/2016 | 10:51 uur
Heel naar voor de USAF, dat hun PowerPoint word ingehaald door de realiteit.

De Britten hadden er ook al last van.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 03/02/2016 | 14:55 uur
 :(
Degene die zijn geschiedenis niet kent is gedoemd.

Kom, we gaan eens terug naar het Europa van 1941 - 1945. 
De Duitsers komen in ops Barbarossa erachter dat hun tanks te licht bepantserd en bewapend zijn t.o.v. de Russische T-34 en KV-I tanks.
Dit leidde tot de ontwikkeling van de dik 45 ton zware Panther, 55 ton zware Tiger en 69 ton zware KonigsTiger tank.
Deze tanks waren ontworpen  om andere tanks te bestrijden.  De Amerikanen en hun bondgenoten hielden vast aan de veel lichte M4 Sherman.  Die niet ontworpen was voor tank vs tank gevechten, maar puur ter ondersteuning van de infanterie.

Een numeriek geallieerd overwicht op de grond was niet voldoende om deze Duitse zware gemechaniseerde eenheden te neutraliseren.
Dus creëerden de geallieerden een lucht overwicht, zodat jachtbommenwerpers zoals de Typhoon en vooral de P-47 Thunderbolt de superieure Duitse grondgebonden vuurkracht konden overvleugelen.
Amerikaanse generaals merkten op dat de P-47 Thunderbolt in het bijzonder hun grondtroepen vele malen van de ondergang had gered.

Daar gaan we dan in een toekomstig conflict.  Onze NAVO strijdkrachten zijn expeditionair licht tot middelzwaar bewapend.  De 'heavy metal' is enorm ingekrompen en er wordt niet of nauwelijks in nieuwe heavy metal geïnvesteerd.
Hoe gaan we een lucht overwicht creëren zonder F-15C Eagles en F-16's, maar met een vloot die hoofdzakelijk uit '21ste eeuw A-7 Corsair' (F-35) jachtbommenwerpers bestaat?   De F-35 is een heel goede oplossing voor de problemen van ops Allied Force boven Voormalig Joegoslavie in 1999.
Maar in een huidig en toekomstig hoog intensief conflict wordt deze F-35 een gemakkelijk doelwit.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/02/2016 | 14:57 uur
F-35A cost and readiness data improves in 2015 as fleet grows

By James Drew, Washington DC | 02 February 2016

The cost of operating the Lockheed Martin F-35A has come down 37.6% compared to last year and is now $17,000 cheaper to fly per hour than its fifth-generation cousin, the Lockheed F-22 Raptor.

According to air force cost-per-flight-hour (CPFH) data obtained by Flightglobal, the conventional takeoff and landing F-35 cost $42,200 to operate per hour in fiscal year 2015 compared to $67.5 in 2014 and achieved a 68.6% mission-capable rate as the fleet grew to 51 aircraft.

The director of operational test and evaluation reported this week that F-35As located at Hill AFB maintain the highest aircraft availability rate, averaging 80% followed by F-35Cs at Eglin AFB at 79% — compared to the Lightning II fleet-wide average of 51%.

The air force gets its CPFH numbers, dated 26 January, by dividing the of operating and sustainment cost of an aircraft by the number of hours flown to predict future funding allocations.

Northrop Grumman's RQ-4B survived termination in part by dramatically lowering its CPFH in 2013 and 2014, according to company and air force officials. Its flight-hour costs came down 5.7% in 2015 to $14,030 with 31 aircraft in the inventory.

The aircraft's 32 manned rivals, the Lockheed U-2S fleet, experienced a 5.9% increase in flight-hour costs and maintained a 68% mission-capable rate compared to the Global Hawk's 78%.

The air force data shows the service maintaining fighter force of 1,660 aircraft including twin-seat trainers with an average cost of $34,000 per flight hour – the cheapest being the F-16C with a mission-ready rate of 73%, and most expensive being the stealthy, supermanoeuvrable F-22A (67%).

According to the data, the air force's fighter inventory includes 806 F-16Cs today that will eventually be life-extended or replaced by the F-35A as well as 212 F-15Cs, 217 F-15Es and 183 F-22s.

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US Air Force

The air force counts 159 bombers including 62 B-1Bs, 77 B-52s and 20 B-2As with a cumulative average age of 34 years. The B-1B fleet, which recently exited the Middle East region to receive upgrades, has the lowest mission-capable rate among the bomber fleet in 2015 at 47.5% followed by the B-52H (72.6.8%) and B-2A at (55.6%).

The tiny B-2A fleet is the most expensive bomber to maintain ($128,805 per flight hour) followed by the B-1B ($58,488) and B-52H ($67,005) because fixed costs are divided among fewer aircraft.

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US Air Force

According to a tally of the air force data, the average mission capable rate stands at 77%, with the worst being the WC-135 Constant Phoenix, which can detect and analyse nuclear tests, at 8.2%. The readiest was the 23 twin-turbofan-powered C-21As at 100%.

The lowest-cost aircraft are air force's trainers and unmanned aircraft, which includes the T-6A Texan II (445 aircraft) and T-1A Jayhawk (178), MQ-1B (134) and MQ-9A (176). The most expensive are the four 747-based E-4B National Airborne Operations Centres ($149,580) followed by the B-2A bomber and OC-135B Open Skies treaty monitoring aircraft.

The air force's 5,117 aircraft are an average of 27 years old, most having entered service before Operation Desert Strom.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-35a-cost-and-readiness-data-improves-in-2015-as-fl-421499/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 04/02/2016 | 10:40 uur
Het nieuwste Directorate Operational Test & Evaluation report FY2015 ( DOT&E ) betreffende de F-35.
Het is met 82 pagina's het langste DOT&E rapport ooit.
zie: http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2015/pdf/dod/2015f35jsf.pdf

F-35 AVAILABILITY FOR 12-MONTH PERIOD ENDING OCTOBER 20151
Operational Site        Average    Maximum    Minimum   Aircraft Assigned (2)
Whole Fleet               51 %           56 %          46 %                134

Eglin F-35A                55 %           62 %          39 %                 25
Eglin F-35B (3)           43 %           48 %          26 %                   0
Eglin F-35C                66 %           79 %          57 %                 17
Yuma F-35B               39 %           62 %          16 %                 17
Edwards F-35A           32 %           66 %          17 %                   8
Edwards F-35B (4)      19 %           27 %            0 %                   6
Nellis F-35A                51 %          77 %           33 %                 10
Luke F-35A                 62 %          75 %           50 %                 30
Beaufort F-35B (5)      46 %           60 %          24 %                 18
Hill F-35A (6)              80 %           81 %          79 %                  3

1. Data do not include SDD aircraft. 2. Aircraft assigned at the end of October 2015. 3. Eglin AFB F-35B ended operations in February 2015. 4. Edwards AFB F-35B operational test operations began in October 2014. 5. Beaufort MCAS F-35B operations began in July 2014. 6. Hill AFB F-35A operations began September 2015.


Even enkele feiten uit het DOT&E rapport.

- Weapons bay temperature becomes excessive. Pilots are restricted from keeping the weapons bay doors closed for more than 10 cumulative minutes when flying at airspeeds equal to or greater than 500 knots at altitudes below 5,000 feet; 550 knots at altitudes between 5,000 and 15,000 feet; and 600 knots at altitudes between 15,000 and 25,000 feet.

- All variants of the fleet Block 2B aircraft are restricted from exceeding 3 G's in symmetric maneuvers when fully fueled in order to avoid exceeding the allowable pressure in the siphon fuel tanks. The allowable G force increases as fuel is consumed.

On ejection of a typical 74 kg person the probability of death being 23 percent, and the probability of neck extension, which will result in some level of injury, being 100 percent.

Wat een trein wrak.



Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zeewier op 04/02/2016 | 11:44 uur
Citaat- Weapons bay temperature becomes excessive.
Hitte opbouw, is dat niet sowieso het gevolg van stealth-coating en absorptiepanelen?

Retorische vraag. Krijg ik geen antwoord op. Dat weet ik ook wel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 04/02/2016 | 12:39 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 04/02/2016 | 10:40 uur
Even enkele feiten uit het DOT&E rapport.

- Weapons bay temperature becomes excessive. Pilots are restricted from keeping the weapons bay doors closed for more than 10 cumulative minutes when flying at airspeeds equal to or greater than 500 knots at altitudes below 5,000 feet; 550 knots at altitudes between 5,000 and 15,000 feet; and 600 knots at altitudes between 15,000 and 25,000 feet.

- All variants of the fleet Block 2B aircraft are restricted from exceeding 3 G's in symmetric maneuvers when fully fueled in order to avoid exceeding the allowable pressure in the siphon fuel tanks. The allowable G force increases as fuel is consumed.

On ejection of a typical 74 kg person the probability of death being 23 percent, and the probability of neck extension, which will result in some level of injury, being 100 percent.


Extra info over de bovenstaande punten, los van de softwareproblemen, zijn deze en andere zorgwekkend !
Je zou nu eigenlijk niet eens je schietstoel durven gebruiken ! ... 100% kans op nekklachten, 23% kans dat je het niet overleeft..

Pentagon Report Casts Further Doubts on F-35's Combat Readiness

Aviation Week has published a 48-page report from Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon's Director of Operational Test and Evaluation, which casts serious doubts on whether the Marines' current version of the F-35, the Block 2B, is capable of entering combat on it own.

Writes Gilmore: "If in an opposed combat scenario, the F-35 Block 2B aircraft would need to avoid threat engagement and would require augmentation by other friendly forces."

He lists off some of the problems facing that the current version of the F-35 Block 2B, including the fact that the F-35 is unable to deploy weapons or defensive countermeasures while flying at its maximum speed—pilots will need to slow down from the F-35's max speed of Mach 1.6 to Mach 1.2 or less in order to fire.

Software bugs continue to plague the fighter as well, with 11 out of 12 weapons tested during Block 2B evaluation severely hampered. The software malfunctions, Gilmore writes, "required intervention by the developmental test control team to overcome system deficiencies and ensure a successful event (i.e., acquire and identify the target and engage it with a weapon)."

More troubling are the overheating issues, which have been known about for years and have yet to be fixed.

The F-35's weapons bay can overheat if the plane is maintaining high speeds at an altitude of under 25,000 feet and an atmospheric temperature 90° F or greater. The trouble occurs if the plane's weapon day doors are closed for upwards of 10 minutes, and opening the bay doors negates the F-35s stealth capabilities. The F-35 is also unable to pull more than 3.8 Gs with a fully loaded fuel tank, due to known problems with with the fuel tank siphon. The plane can only pull its maximum of 7 Gs once its fuel tanks are at least 45 percent empty.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a19199/pentagon-reports-puts-hard-limits-on-f-35s-combat-utility/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 04/02/2016 | 12:51 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 04/02/2016 | 10:40 uur
Het nieuwste Directorate Operational Test & Evaluation report FY2015 ( DOT&E ) betreffende de F-35.
Het is met 82 pagina's het langste DOT&E rapport ooit.
zie: http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2015/pdf/dod/2015f35jsf.pdf

Wat een trein wrak.

Mooie timing......

Valt me op dat tijdens interviews het maximum inzetbaarheidspercentage gegeven wordt, en niet het gemiddelde. Gewoon om het beter te laten lijken dan het is.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 04/02/2016 | 12:53 uur
Citaat van: Zeewier op 04/02/2016 | 11:44 uur
Hitte opbouw, is dat niet sowieso het gevolg van stealth-coating en absorptiepanelen?

Retorische vraag. Krijg ik geen antwoord op. Dat weet ik ook wel.


Is sowieso al een gevolg van vliegen/wrijving. En daarbij, misschien dat stealth coatings het erger maken, maar het blijft een design fout als het ontwerp daar niet mee om kan gaan. Als de luiken elke paar minuten open moeten om te koelen, heeft het hele stealth verhaal weinig nut natuurlijk.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zeewier op 04/02/2016 | 13:56 uur
Bedoelde dat de stealth-panelen bedoelt voor lage infrarood uitstraling de warmte van de motor binnenhouden. Dat is simpelweg het neveneffect van stealth: geen warmte uitstraling betekent geperkte koeling. Reken maar dat de Chinese fabrikanten tegen hetzelfde euvel aanlopen. Een tweede motor maakt het alleen maar erger.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2016 | 14:32 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 04/02/2016 | 10:40 uur

Wat een trein wrak.


Het gaat "lekker" ik ben bijna zover om te suggereren: hou het bij 12 F35 en vraag voor 24+ een offerte aan bij Boeing, de nieuwste variant van de F15 dan wel graag.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 04/02/2016 | 14:47 uur
Citaat van: Zeewier op 04/02/2016 | 13:56 uur
Bedoelde dat de stealth-panelen bedoelt voor lage infrarood uitstraling de warmte van de motor binnenhouden. Dat is simpelweg het neveneffect van stealth: geen warmte uitstraling betekent geperkte koeling. Reken maar dat de Chinese fabrikanten tegen hetzelfde euvel aanlopen. Een tweede motor maakt het alleen maar erger.

Ah zo, ja, zou kunnen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 04/02/2016 | 15:38 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2016 | 14:32 uur
Het gaat "lekker" ik ben bijna zover om te suggereren: hou het bij 12 F35 en vraag voor 24+ een offerte aan bij Boeing, de nieuwste variant van de F15 dan wel graag.

Die eerste bestelde F35's kun je prima door leveren aan Noorwegen, Noorwegen wil ze vast wel graag hebben zodat ze sneller over kunnen naar de F35. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 04/02/2016 | 16:11 uur
Citaat van: Zeewier op 04/02/2016 | 13:56 uur
Bedoelde dat de stealth-panelen bedoelt voor lage infrarood uitstraling de warmte van de motor binnenhouden. Dat is simpelweg het neveneffect van stealth: geen warmte uitstraling betekent geperkte koeling. Reken maar dat de Chinese fabrikanten tegen hetzelfde euvel aanlopen. Een tweede motor maakt het alleen maar erger.

Tevens het dichtzetten van alle naden en kieren, dus geen openingen meer waardoor geen "ventilatie". En misschien ook door gesloten bay, drukverschil met buiten en binnen "stilstaande" lucht, buiten lucht met "snelheid".   
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2016 | 16:14 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 04/02/2016 | 15:38 uur
Die eerste bestelde F35's kun je prima door leveren aan Noorwegen, Noorwegen wil ze vast wel graag hebben zodat ze sneller over kunnen naar de F35. 

Tja.... dan maar voor "straf" over op 40-60 Eagles, bouwjaar: vanaf 2019
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 04/02/2016 | 16:43 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 03/02/2016 | 14:55 uur
:(
Degene die zijn geschiedenis niet kent is gedoemd.

Kom, we gaan eens terug naar het Europa van 1941 - 1945. 
De Duitsers komen in ops Barbarossa erachter dat hun tanks te licht bepantserd en bewapend zijn t.o.v. de Russische T-34 en KV-I tanks.
Dit leidde tot de ontwikkeling van de dik 45 ton zware Panther, 55 ton zware Tiger en 69 ton zware KonigsTiger tank.
Deze tanks waren ontworpen  om andere tanks te bestrijden.  De Amerikanen en hun bondgenoten hielden vast aan de veel lichte M4 Sherman.  Die niet ontworpen was voor tank vs tank gevechten, maar puur ter ondersteuning van de infanterie.

Een numeriek geallieerd overwicht op de grond was niet voldoende om deze Duitse zware gemechaniseerde eenheden te neutraliseren.
Dus creëerden de geallieerden een lucht overwicht, zodat jachtbommenwerpers zoals de Typhoon en vooral de P-47 Thunderbolt de superieure Duitse grondgebonden vuurkracht konden overvleugelen.
Amerikaanse generaals merkten op dat de P-47 Thunderbolt in het bijzonder hun grondtroepen vele malen van de ondergang had gered.

Daar gaan we dan in een toekomstig conflict.  Onze NAVO strijdkrachten zijn expeditionair licht tot middelzwaar bewapend.  De 'heavy metal' is enorm ingekrompen en er wordt niet of nauwelijks in nieuwe heavy metal geïnvesteerd.
Hoe gaan we een lucht overwicht creëren zonder F-15C Eagles en F-16's, maar met een vloot die hoofdzakelijk uit '21ste eeuw A-7 Corsair' (F-35) jachtbommenwerpers bestaat?   De F-35 is een heel goede oplossing voor de problemen van ops Allied Force boven Voormalig Joegoslavie in 1999.
Maar in een huidig en toekomstig hoog intensief conflict wordt deze F-35 een gemakkelijk doelwit.



Uit kosten overwegingen hadden we beter kunnen kiezen voor de Gripen NG...en voor het COIN werk gewoon een squadron A-10's
Dan hadden we voldoende toestellen tegen een schappelijke prijs..

Maar een F-15SE + A-10's zou ook prachtig zijn...maar de luchtmacht blijft vasthouden aan de F-35 die en te duur en sporadisch inzetbaar zal zijn. Wat moeten we nou met zo'n F-35 als aanvalstoestel tegen al die lichtbewapende rebellen in Syrie / Irak / Mali doen ? een overkill...een A-10 of Super Tucano is daarin veel effectiever en goedkoper.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 04/02/2016 | 16:53 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 04/02/2016 | 16:43 uur
Uit kosten overwegingen hadden we beter kunnen kiezen voor de Gripen NG...en voor het COIN werk gewoon een squadron A-10's
Dan hadden we voldoende toestellen tegen een schappelijke prijs..

Maar een F-15SE + A-10's zou ook prachtig zijn...maar de luchtmacht blijft vasthouden aan de F-35 die en te duur en sporadisch inzetbaar zal zijn. Wat moeten we nou met zo'n F-35 als aanvalstoestel tegen al die lichtbewapende rebellen in Syrie / Irak / Mali doen ? een overkill...een A-10 of Super Tucano is daarin veel effectiever en goedkoper.

Voor die lichtbewapende rebellen is een A-10 of Super Tucano idd vele malen effectiever en efficienter. Maar er zijn ook nog genoeg vijanden die we niet moeten vergeten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 04/02/2016 | 17:10 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2016 | 16:14 uur
Tja.... dan maar voor "straf" over op 40-60 Eagles, bouwjaar: vanaf 2019
De F-15SE was ook mijn keuze geweest
Maar gepasseerd station
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2016 | 17:16 uur
Citaat van: Strata op 04/02/2016 | 16:53 uur
Voor die lichtbewapende rebellen is een A-10 of Super Tucano idd vele malen effectiever en efficienter. Maar er zijn ook nog genoeg vijanden die we niet moeten vergeten.

Daarom... het blijft de F35 maar als het dan toch te bont wordt en de problemen worden de komende jaren niet/onvoldoende opgelost gecombineerd met een aanzienlijk afname van US kisten...  Dan zou mijn keuze vallen op een kist die nog decennia in een aanzienlijk aantal operationeel zal rondvliegen en aan regelmatige upgrades onderhevig is... Daarnaast een kist die een SU35 piloot laat zweten en groot bereik heeft en een aanzienlijke hoeveelheid speelgoed kan mee torsen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 04/02/2016 | 17:56 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2016 | 17:16 uur
Daarom... het blijft de F35 maar als het dan toch te bont wordt en de problemen worden de komende jaren niet/onvoldoende opgelost gecombineerd met een aanzienlijk afname van US kisten...  Dan zou mijn keuze vallen op een kist die nog decennia in een aanzienlijk aantal operationeel zal rondvliegen en aan regelmatige upgrades onderhevig is... Daarnaast een kist die een SU35 piloot laat zweten en groot bereik heeft en een aanzienlijke hoeveelheid speelgoed kan mee torsen.

Wat mij betreft zijn we al een tijdje over die grens heen. F15 op zich met je eens, maar meteen wel andere klasse toestel. Hoewel meer capabel, denk niet dat de KLu daar budgettair en operationeel gezien veel meer mee op schiet t.o.v de F-35.

Maarja.... tweemotorig, onderhoudsaspect, daar is onze organisatie niet op ingericht, en wordt ie ook niet op ingericht, want is (en 90% komt) het budget niet voor. Kom je automatisch uit bij Gripen, en nee ik ben geen fanboy oid, er is gewoon weinig andere keus in onze budgetcategorie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 04/02/2016 | 18:14 uur
Citaat van: Strata op 04/02/2016 | 17:56 uur
Wat mij betreft zijn we al een tijdje over die grens heen. F15 op zich met je eens, maar meteen wel andere klasse toestel. Hoewel meer capabel, denk niet dat de KLu daar budgettair en operationeel gezien veel meer mee op schiet t.o.v de F-35.

Maarja.... tweemotorig, onderhoudsaspect, daar is onze organisatie niet op ingericht, en wordt ie ook niet op ingericht, want is (en 90% komt) het budget niet voor. Kom je automatisch uit bij Gripen, en nee ik ben geen fanboy oid, er is gewoon weinig andere keus in onze budgetcategorie.
ik ben absoluut tegen de grippenNG
prachtig toestel voor gebruikers van de JAS39C/D maar hij heeft te weinig toekomstperspectief
dan hadden we rond 2030(maybe iets later) die dingen al weer kunnen gaan vervangen
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2016 | 18:31 uur
Citaat van: Strata op 04/02/2016 | 17:56 uur
Wat mij betreft zijn we al een tijdje over die grens heen. F15 op zich met je eens, maar meteen wel andere klasse toestel. Hoewel meer capabel, denk niet dat de KLu daar budgettair en operationeel gezien veel meer mee op schiet t.o.v de F-35.

Maarja.... tweemotorig, onderhoudsaspect, daar is onze organisatie niet op ingericht, en wordt ie ook niet op ingericht, want is (en 90% komt) het budget niet voor. Kom je automatisch uit bij Gripen, en nee ik ben geen fanboy oid, er is gewoon weinig andere keus in onze budgetcategorie.

Het is ook een gepasseerd station, vandaar ook de opmerking het blijft bij de F35. Vwb kosten als ik kijk naar (publiek bekenden) exploitatie en aanschafkosten dan zijn deze "vriendelijker" dan die van de F35.

Maar goed het is een zinloos onderwerp, de keuze is gemaakt en daar blijft het bij en vermoedelijk zullen de issues wel verholpen worden anders hebben wij en nog een paar luchtmachten een probleem.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 04/02/2016 | 18:57 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2016 | 18:31 uur
Het is ook een gepasseerd station, vandaar ook de opmerking het blijft bij de F35. Vwb kosten als ik kijk naar (publiek bekenden) exploitatie en aanschafkosten dan zijn deze "vriendelijker" dan die van de F35.

Maar goed het is een zinloos onderwerp, de keuze is gemaakt en daar blijft het bij en vermoedelijk zullen de issues wel verholpen worden anders hebben wij en nog een paar luchtmachten een probleem.

Na 20 jaar ontwikkelen zou je toch verwachten de de meeste kinderziektes eruit zijn. Maar het lijkt er meer op alsof ze elk jaar nieuwe tekortkomingen ontdekken.... nog meer vertraging.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 04/02/2016 | 19:14 uur
Citaat van: Zeewier op 04/02/2016 | 11:44 uur
Hitte opbouw, is dat niet sowieso het gevolg van stealth-coating en absorptiepanelen?

Retorische vraag. Krijg ik geen antwoord op. Dat weet ik ook wel.

In niet steelse vliegtuigen wordt de hitte of warmte direct afgevoerd naar de buitenlucht.
In steelse vliegtuigen is dat geen optie, want dan wordt de kist beter zichtbaar op warmtebeeld camera's.
En de koel lucht in-, en uitlaten vergroten ook nog eens de radar doorsnede.
Dus moet men een intern koel medium vinden bijvoorbeeld in de vorm van peut (brandstof).
De geannuleerde Nimrod AEW 3 uit de jaren 70 gebruikte ook haar peut voorraad als "heat sink" om de radar en mission system avionics (MSA) koel te houden.  Als de radar en MSA op volle kracht werkten, dan moesten de peut tanks echter minimaal half vol te zijn om de boel koel te houden.
Als de peut voorraad onder de 50% zakte, dan zat er niets anders op dan de radar en MSA uit te zetten en de terug reis te aanvaarden.

Door de opgewarmde peut zet ook de aanwezige lucht in de brandstof tanks uit.  Zodoende krijgen de F-35 peut tanks te maken met overdruk die mogelijk kan leiden tot scheurvorming in de tanks.  12 Januari jongstleden kreeg LockheedMartin een opdracht van USD 28,8 miljoen om 41 F-35A's  (ook de 2 v.d. KLu)  te modificeren met overdruk ventielen.  Deze ventielen zijn afgelopen december succesvol getest.   Medio januari 2016 waren er al 154 F-35's afgeleverd en die moeten allemaal worden gefixt.  
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 04/02/2016 | 19:21 uur
Citaat van: Strata op 04/02/2016 | 18:57 uur
Na 20 jaar ontwikkelen zou je toch verwachten de de meeste kinderziektes eruit zijn. Maar het lijkt er meer op alsof ze elk jaar nieuwe tekortkomingen ontdekken.... nog meer vertraging.
De ziekte heet "Concurrency".  In gewoon Nederlands: je begint al met produceren, terwijl de ontwikkeling en test fase nog vol op bezig is.
We hebben het kunnen zien met de B-1B Lancer, toen de bouw hiervan begon stonden de bouwvakkers bij wijze van spreken nog tussen de vliegtuig bouwers.  Omdat de productie hallen nog niet eens waren afgebouwd.
Met als gevolg een onbetrouwbaar product, dat nog vele jaren werd / wordt achtervolgt door ontdekkingen van problemen die VOOR aanvang van de productie hadden moeten worden opgelost.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2016 | 19:26 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 04/02/2016 | 19:21 uur
De ziekte heet "Concurrency".  In gewoon Nederlands: je begint al met produceren, terwijl de ontwikkeling en test fase nog vol op bezig is.
We hebben het kunnen zien met de B-1B Lancer, toen de bouw hiervan begon stonden de bouwvakkers bij wijze van spreken nog tussen de vliegtuig bouwers.  Omdat de productie hallen nog niet eens waren afgebouwd.
Met als gevolg een onbetrouwbaar product, dat nog vele jaren werd / wordt achtervolgt door ontdekkingen van problemen die VOOR aanvang van de productie hadden moeten worden opgelost.

Ik kan me dan ook nauwelijks voorstellen dat opvolgende generatie vliegtuigen op een gelijksoortige wijze ontwikkeld en gebouwd zal gaan worden, maar terug naar een beperkte prototype serie.

En toegegeven als F35 voorstander begin ik nu toch oprechte twijfels te krijgen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 04/02/2016 | 20:02 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2016 | 19:26 uur
Ik kan me dan ook nauwelijks voorstellen dat opvolgende generatie vliegtuigen op een gelijksoortige wijze ontwikkeld en gebouwd zal gaan worden, maar terug naar een beperkte prototype serie.

En toegegeven als F35 voorstander begin ik nu toch oprechte twijfels te krijgen.

Al dat meerwerk moet ontzettend winstgevend zijn Lockheed Martin, en aangezien ze 'never forget who we are working for', zou het maar zo kunnen van wel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2016 | 20:25 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 04/02/2016 | 20:02 uur
Al dat meerwerk moet ontzettend winstgevend zijn Lockheed Martin, en aangezien ze 'never forget who we are working for', zou het maar zo kunnen van wel.

Dat het een geld fabriek voor LM en haar aandeelhouders is geworden zal niemand ontkennen, de vraag is of de inkopers van het Pentagon nog maals een dergelijke fout maken...

Gezien de publiek (zeer summier) bekende info over de LRS-B lijkt toch resoluut een andere weg in geslagen te zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Elzenga op 04/02/2016 | 20:34 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 04/02/2016 | 20:02 uur
Al dat meerwerk moet ontzettend winstgevend zijn Lockheed Martin, en aangezien ze 'never forget who we are working for', zou het maar zo kunnen van wel.
Ik kreeg juist de indruk dat LM steeds zwaarder onder druk wordt gezet door het Pentagon en ze er zelf steeds minder aan gaan verdienen. Vergeet niet dat veel is gebaseerd op een groot aantal toestellen..een aantal dat waarschijnlijk niet zal worden gehaald..al doen wat nieuwe koude oorlogen (Rusland..China) en een Republikeinse president nog wel eens wonderen in deze voor de defensie industrie..
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 04/02/2016 | 22:01 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2016 | 19:26 uur
Ik kan me dan ook nauwelijks voorstellen dat opvolgende generatie vliegtuigen op een gelijksoortige wijze ontwikkeld en gebouwd zal gaan worden, maar terug naar een beperkte prototype serie.

En toegegeven als F35 voorstander begin ik nu toch oprechte twijfels te krijgen.
Die (grote) twijfels heb ik al bijna 20 jaar.
Teveel verschillende en uiteenlopende hoge eisen in 1 airframe en in 1 'pie (high) in the sky' software pakket.
Het apparaat wordt door het congres ondersteunt omdat men alle 'pork barrels' met werkgelegenheid en omzet over bijna alle staten van de USA heeft verspreid.  Dus annulering was / is bijna onmogelijk.
De al genoemde grote overlapping in ontwikkeling en productie.
En wat 10 a 15 jaar geleden nog risico's werden genoemd, zijn nu echte problemen geworden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 04/02/2016 | 22:42 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2016 | 20:25 uur
Dat het een geld fabriek voor LM en haar aandeelhouders is geworden zal niemand ontkennen, de vraag is of de inkopers van het Pentagon nog maals een dergelijke fout maken...

Gezien de publiek (zeer summier) bekende info over de LRS-B lijkt toch resoluut een andere weg in geslagen te zijn.

Het Pentagon is een aanzienlijke macht, absoluut, maar in deze is ook vooral het congress belangrijk.
Van LRSB is veel nog niet bekend, maar de eerste berichtgeving lijkt het een sober programma te worden, en die kunnen ontzettend kosten-effectief zijn. Maar dit is slechts 1 programma, van de velen, in de kinderschoenen. Kan nog alle kanten op.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Belgje op 05/02/2016 | 08:37 uur
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-navy-seeks-extra-f-35cs-and-fa-18s-in-new-budget-421628/

Goed nieuws voor de SH?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/02/2016 | 09:20 uur
Citaat van: Belgje op 05/02/2016 | 08:37 uur
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-navy-seeks-extra-f-35cs-and-fa-18s-in-new-budget-421628/

Goed nieuws voor de SH?

Het is al in diverse artikelen het afgelopen jaar al eerder besproken dat de US Navy graag ongeveer 36 stuks erbij wil. Zowel nieuw gebouwde als gemoderniseerde (plaatste een paar dagen geleden het Janes artikel over het SLEP programma) zijn hard nodig.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/02/2016 | 09:24 uur
USAF to continue A-10 'Warthog' wing production

By James Drew Washington DC | 04 February 2016

The US Air Force has not only ditched long-standing plans to retire the hardy Fairchild Republic A-10 attack airplane but is launching a follow-on wing replacement programme to keep the combat veteran flying well into the next decade.

On Tuesday, defence secretary Ashton Carter announced plans to keep the "Warthog" that first flew in 1972 for another five years, with a revised retirement date of 2021.

The same day, the air force released a draft statement of work regarding construction of slightly updated versions of the A-10 enhanced wing assembly currently built by Boeing and Korean Aerospace Industries. Boeing's contract includes 173 wings with options for 69 more, but the air force confirms that ordering period ends in September. Boeing has said those wings, based on 3D models of the original thick-skin wing design of the 1970s, could keep the aircraft flying past 2040.

"This will not be a sole-source acquisition to Boeing, but Boeing will have every opportunity as will other approved sources of supply to compete in the source selection process for the A-10 TUSK wing requirement," says a spokesman for the programme. Approved sources include Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Israel Aerospace Industries and Spirit AeroSystems and representatives from each company attended an industry day at Hill AFB in November.

According to contracting notices, the A-10 thick-skin urgent spares kitting (TUSK) wing assemblies programme could deliver up to 120 complete wings at a rate of 10 to 25 units per year over a five-year contract period. The air force's fiscal year 2016 budget includes funding for the first wing and three low-rate initial production units.

"Wing assembly will include all structures, fairings, flight controls, systems, electrical harnesses, and hardware that makes up a complete wing from tip to tip," the statement of work explains. "Excluded will be weapons mounting pylons, landing gear, countermeasure and classified systems."

The first and subsequent wing assemblies are to be installed on operational A-10Cs and will remain there once certified, the document adds. The air force maintains 284 operational A-10C with an average fleet age of 34 years and 77% mission-capable rate, air force data shows.

Though the air force has been trying to retire the A-10 since 2014 to generate savings, supporters within the organisation and in Congress have successfully lobbied against the move. Lockheed Martin's F-35 and other fast jets were meant to assume the Thunderbolt II's close air support role.

Introduced in 1977, the A-10 has become an invaluable tool for hunting Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria and it frequently teams with AC-130 gunships to rain down destruction on oil trucks, tanks, utility vehicles and other insurgent-held equipment. Carter claims the aircraft's success in ongoing counter-insurgency operations is what saved it from the boneyard.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-to-continue-a-10-warthog-wing-production-421567/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/02/2016 | 10:38 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 05/02/2016 | 09:20 uur
Het is al in diverse artikelen het afgelopen jaar al eerder besproken dat de US Navy graag ongeveer 36 stuks erbij wil. Zowel nieuw gebouwde als gemoderniseerde (plaatste een paar dagen geleden het Janes artikel over het SLEP programma) zijn hard nodig.

Laten we hopen voor Boeing dat het ze gegund is, indien succesvol betekend dat m.i. wel dat dat het aantal F35's met een evenredig aantal verlaagt wordt, immers elke nieuwe F18E zal een jaar of dertig mee gaan en zal tzt vervangen worden door de FA/XX.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/02/2016 | 10:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/02/2016 | 10:38 uur
Laten we hopen voor Boeing dat het ze gegund is, indien succesvol betekend dat m.i. wel dat dat het aantal F35's met een evenredig aantal verlaagt wordt, immers elke nieuwe F18E zal een jaar of dertig mee gaan en zal tzt vervangen worden door de FA/XX.
Als de F/A-18E/F Super Hornet 30 jaar mee wil gaan, dan zullen ze de levensduur moeten verlengen. De huidige 6.000 vlieguren blijken onvoldoende. De oudste Super Hornets zitten nu bijna aan hun maximum. Daar gaat men nu iets aan doen (artikel Antwoord #215).

We zullen het gaan zien of het aantal F-35C eventueel omlaag gaat. Het plan op het moment is dat de toekomstige Carrier Air Wing (CVW) maximaal van twee F-35C squadrons is voorzien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/02/2016 | 11:54 uur
Kuwait Audit Bureau Must Approve Eurofighter Deal

By Awad Mustafa | February 4, 2016

DUBAI — Italian defense firm Finmeccanica and Eurofighter have to present cost breakdowns to the Kuwaiti State Audit Bureau before they see a signature on a deal for 28 fighter jets secured.

Zie onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2016/02/04/united-arab-emirates-eurofighter-kuwait/79815334/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/02/2016 | 19:39 uur
The U.S. Navy's Bold Plan to Unite F-35s With Refueling Drones

Dave Majumdar - February 5, 2016

The Pentagon has ordered the U.S. Navy to convert its Unmanned Carrier Launched Airborne Surveillance and Strike (UCLASS) aircraft into a robotic ship-based aerial refueling tanker. The new unmanned tanker program is the Navy's solution to extend the range of its carrier air wings to strike deep inside heavily defended airspace—such as sites in Russia, China and elsewhere deep within Eurasia.

While the Pentagon's move quashes the dreams of many in Congress, Washington think tanks and the defense industry who had hoped for a new long-range unmanned carrier-based stealth bomber, the new Carrier Based Aerial Refueling System (CBARS) program had been foreshadowed for at least three years.

Indeed, in late 2013, the U.S. Navy's director of air warfare, Rear Adm. Mike Manazir, had explicitly told me that the UCLASS would be optimized to extend the range of the stealthy Lockheed Martin F-35C Joint Strike Fighter. "We're going to put a refueling capability into them and they'll have an endurance package in them," Manazir said. "They'll be able to give away something like 20,000 lbs. of gas and still stay up for seven-and-a-half hours."

At the time, Manazir had said that the UCLASS would be very large aircraft—about the size of a Grumman F-14 Tomcat interceptor—that would be able to fly for more than fourteen hours. "We're talking about a 70,000- to 80,000-pound airplane," Manazir had said. "We're talking [Grumman F-14] Tomcat size."

As such, the basic premise behind the unmanned CBARS program is that it would be able to extend the range of the carrier's air wing. Right now, the Navy's carrier air wings have to rely on the U.S. Air Force's "big wing" tankers like the KC-135 or KC-10. Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets can also be used as "buddy refuelers" when loaded up in a so-called "five wet" configuration—however, that eats up the jet's airframe life quickly. The CBARS would free the Super Hornets up for their strike fighter role while reducing the air wing's dependence on Air Force assets.

While the Pentagon has not explicitly come out and said it, the CBARS—or a variant of that airframe—might also be used as a missile caddy to help defend the carrier under the Naval Integrated Fire Control–Counter Air (NIFC-CA) construct similar to the Pentagon's arsenal plane. Indeed, Manazir had suggested that the UCLASS could be used as a flying missile magazine for the Northrop Grumman E-2D Hawkeye or a F-35C flight leader. "Maybe we put a whole bunch of AMRAAMs (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile) on it and that thing is the truck," Manazir said. "So this unmanned truck goes downtown with—as far as it can go—with a decision-maker."

As such, it might also be used to haul long-range networked weapons within the NIFC-CA construct alongside the F/A-18E/F and EA-18G Growler. Under Manazir's plan, the stealthy F-35C—whose range would be extended by the CBARS/UCLASS—would fly deep inside enemy territory and act as a flying sensor node. It would use its sensors to identify targets, rely that data back to the shooters (F/A-18E/Fs, EA-18Gs, surface warships and submarines), and then provide terminal-weapons guidance and battle-damage assessments using an advanced tactical datalink. "Let's say we're in an anti-access environment and we're going to go deep, we would launch all the airplanes off, get them all set, and we would push the F-35C way inside," Manazir had said. "He would go in there using his X-band stealth technology, and go in there and he would get radar contacts and surface contacts and would ID them for us."

Effectively, Manazir described in detail back in 2013 what is transpiring in the Navy's plans now. No one should have been surprised that the UCLASS has morphed into a tanker, or that the Pentagon is buying more F-35Cs or F/A-18s—Manazir spelled out the plan more than two years ago in detail.

Dave Majumdar is the defense editor for the National Interest.

http://www.nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-us-navys-bold-plan-unite-f-35s-refueling-drones-15125
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/02/2016 | 22:29 uur
Northrop Grumman has just released an animation that shows how 6th Generation fighters might look like

http://theaviationist.com/2016/02/05/new-ad-shows-6h-gen-fighter/ via @theaviationist
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 05/02/2016 | 23:06 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/02/2016 | 22:29 uur
Northrop Grumman has just released an animation that shows how 6th Generation fighters might look like

http://theaviationist.com/2016/02/05/new-ad-shows-6h-gen-fighter/ via @theaviationist

Doe er daar maar 37 stuks van ..  ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/02/2016 | 23:21 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 05/02/2016 | 23:06 uur
Doe er daar maar 37 stuks van ..  ;)

Moeten we wel een interim kist kiezen voor de komende 20 jaar...   :big-smile:

Wat zou dan de interim moeten zijn, occasion Eurofighters, nieuwe F16's of Gripens?

Of zouden we dan nu moeten kiezen voor F18E/F om ze vervolgens over 20 jaar in te ruilen voor de Boeing FA/XX?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 06/02/2016 | 02:34 uur
The Rise and Fall of Aircraft Carrier Air Power.

jaartal en schip                         gemiddeld bereik              aantal vliegtuigen                   gemiddelde nuttige lading  
1922, USS Langley                    259 km    ( 15)                           30    ( 35)                                     277 kg    (  5)

1930, USS Lexington                 478 km    ( 28)                           70    ( 82)                                     168 kg    (  3)  

1943, USS Essex                    1.404 km    ( 83)                           90    (106)                                    816 kg    ( 14)

1956, USS Forrestal                2.241 km    (133)                          46    ( 54)                                  2.051 kg    ( 35)

1986, USS Nimitz                   1.682 km    (100)                           85    (100)                                 5.797 kg    (100)

2006, USS Nimitz                     919 km     ( 55)                           62     ( 73)                                 5.461 kg    ( 94)

De US Navy leerde tijdens realistische oefeningen in de jaren 30 en met veel zweet, pijn en in bloed gedrenkte ervaringen in WO 2,
dat een gemaximaliseerde "mass" (aantallen); payload (nuttige lading) en vliegbereik cruciaal waren voor de effectiviteit, doelmatigheid en overlevingskansen van vliegdekschepen.
In de jaren 90 ging deze "reach" dramatisch achteruit door uitfasering van de A-6 Intruder.  En in het eerste decennium van deze eeuw liep deze nog verder terug door pensionering van de F-14 Tomcat en S-3 Viking.
Echter, aan de andere kant van de Pacific 'plas' ging men over tot invoering van de Dong Feng-21 ballistische raket met een bereik van 1.850 km.

Dus de US Navy heeft een uitdaging om deze dreiging te neutraliseren.
                                             Optie 1                             Optie 2                             Optie 3

gemiddeld bereik                      1.343 km  ( 80)                 1.461 km  ( 87)                 1.671 km  ( 99)

gemiddelde nuttige lading          3.830 kg   ( 66)                 7.221 kg   (125)                5.373 kg   ( 93)

aantal jaren om dit te bereiken       nooit                              15 jaar                             5 jaar

Luchtvloot samenstellingen op vliegdekschepen:

Optie 1:  6x EA-18G Growlers,   24x F-18E/F Super Hornets,   6x UCAV's,      20x F-35C's,          5x E-2D Hawkeye's = 61 kisten.

Optie 2:  6x EA-18G Growlers,   36x F-18E/F Super Hornets,   6x UCAV's,      10x F-35C's,          5x E-2D Hawkeye's = 63 kisten.
                                                                                                                 
Optie 3:  6x EA-18G Growlers,   44x F-18E/F Super Hornets,   12x UCAV's,   4x K-UCAV's* ,  5x E-2D Hawkeye's = 71 kisten.  
           
Dus in optie 3, nul 4,8 generatie F-35C's !  Dus de US Navy is dan van dat ongewilde weeskind af.
De bespaarde muntjes worden gestoken in verder ontwikkeling van de X-47B UCAV en het (*) K-UCAV, een onbemand tankvliegtuig.
Zodat de F-18E/F's geen tanker sorties hoeven te vliegen, want in 33 - 40 % van alle F-18E/F sorties wordt er alleen maar peut (af)getapt.
Bovenstaande optie 1 en 2 vallen binnen de US Navy begroting, bij optie 3 moet men deze iets verhogen.
Maar optie 3 werkt het snelst en meest doeltreffend en biedt een high / low mix tussen respectievelijk (K)-UCAV's en Super Hornets.

We hebben al hele grote moeite met het ontwikkelen van de 4,8 ste generatie F-35 LightningII.
Dus die 6 de generatie FA/XX is als denken aan een hardloop wedstrijd, terwijl je nog niet eens kunt lopen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 06/02/2016 | 11:05 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/02/2016 | 23:21 uur
Moeten we wel een interim kist kiezen voor de komende 20 jaar...   :big-smile:

Wat zou dan de interim moeten zijn, occasion Eurofighters, nieuwe F16's of Gripens?

Of zouden we dan nu moeten kiezen voor F18E/F om ze vervolgens over 20 jaar in te ruilen voor de Boeing FA/XX?

Over 20 jaar  :lol:.

Er zal dan vast een nieuwe Amerikaanse fighter zijn, of die al operationeel meedraait is de vraag, maar de beloftes die voor dat programma gemaakt worden gaan niet gehaald worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/02/2016 | 12:01 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 06/02/2016 | 11:05 uur
Over 20 jaar  :lol:.

Er zal dan vast een nieuwe Amerikaanse fighter zijn, of die al operationeel meedraait is de vraag, maar de beloftes die voor dat programma gemaakt worden gaan niet gehaald worden.

Het hangt er vanaf hoe ze het gaan opzetten... alles nieuw en nog te ontwikkelen of voortbordurend op bestaande technieken die modulair uitwisselbaar zijn met innovaties.

Een interessante testcase zal de LRS-B zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/02/2016 | 12:11 uur
Italy claims first F-35 transatlantic crossing

By James Drew, Washington DC | 05 February 2016

An Italian Air Force pilot flying the first Italian-made F-35A Lightning II has made history after completing the first transatlantic crossing of the stealthy, single-engine Lockheed Martin type.

What's more, aircraft AL-1 was refuelled en route by Italy's own Boeing KC-767 tanker, which received F-35 tanking certification at Edwards AFB between July and September last year.

The aircraft took off today from Lajes Field in the Azores island group at 7.30am local time before turning south over Canada to touch down at Naval Air Station (NAS) Patuxent River in Maryland at about 2.24pm on 5 February – approximately 6h and 2,000nm later.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=65756)
Lockheed Martin/Andy Wolfe

At the controls was Italian test pilot Maj Gianmarco, callsign "Ninja," who received his F-35 flight qualifications in November at the multinational F-35A pilot school at Luke AFB.

It was a moment of national pride for Italy when AL-1 touched down. After triumphantly unfurling his nation's flag from the cockpit, Gianmarco was greeted by top generals from the Italian AF who travelled aboard the KC-767 to witness the occasion.

In June 2014, a contingent of US Marine Corps F-35Bs had been poised to make the transatlantic crossing to London to attend the Farnborough Airshow until an F-35A caught fire at Eglin AFB in Florida, temporarily grounding the fleet. USMC F-35Bs are again preparing to make the journey to Farnborough for this year's show in July, but it's now too late to claim the monumental achievement.

Those pilots will settle for second place but the first flight from America to Europe. Gianmarco was selected six months ago to ferry AL-1, and he admitted there have been many sleepless nights leading up to this moment. He says those marines who had been prepared to fly to Farnborough in 2014 helped him prepare for this first crossing, and his aircraft is admittedly newer and more reliable than those earlier model jump jets.

"I'm excited to be the first one to do that," he said when asked about beating the marines. "I will give them all the help they need to do this. Semper fidelis!"

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=65758)
Lockheed Martin/Andy Wolfe

The F-35A flew alongside an Italian Eurofighter Typhoon, which was transiting to the USA for a separate Red Flag exercise and landed at a different location along with its own tanker contingent.

"After we went south, we hit this warm front that's hitting the East Coast right now, and we had some moderate to severe turbulence on a couple of occasions and during refuelling as well, but we managed to do that successfully anyways," Gianmarco says.

The first leg of the journey from the final assembly and checkout (FACO) facility at Cameri Air Base, Italy to Lajes Field occurred earlier this week and involved three in-flight refuellings.

The aircraft, tail number MM7332 of the Italian AF's 32nd Wing, refuelled four times between the Azores and NAS Patuxent River without any faults or boom disconnections.

Gianmarco says AL-1 is a more mature model than the aircraft he flew at Luke AFB, and he had complete confidence in the aircraft prior to making the crossing despite it being the first production model of a completely new assembly line.

AL-1 will remain at Patuxent River for two to three months of electromagnetic environmental effects testing before continuing on to the multinational training base Luke AFB. Eventually, five Italian aircraft will transit to Luke, where they will be shared among pilots of the F-35 partner training programme. The sixth example will become the first operational aircraft of the 32nd Wing.

The Cameri plant is owned by the Italian government but operated by Alenia Aermacchi of Finmeccanica. Assembly of the lead example began in July 2013 and AL-1 first flew in September 2015.

The line will deliver aircraft for the Italian and Royal Netherlands air forces. Italy could procure as many as 60 F-35As and 30 F-35Bs depending on funding and the local political environment.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/italy-claims-first-f-35-transatlantic-crossing-421670/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/02/2016 | 15:04 uur
MBDA delivers ASRAAM missiles for F-35 integration

MBDA press release | 08 February 2016

MBDA has commenced deliveries of a quantity of Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missiles (ASRAAM) for the forthcoming integration of this infra-red air dominance missile onto the UK's F-35B.

The first missile was delivered to the US during January in conjunction with BAE Systems (the UK's F-35 weapon integration lead). ASRAAM will be the first UK missile to arm the F-35 and its integration within the F-35 System Development and Demonstration (SDD) phase of the programme will give the Royal Air Force and the Royal Navy's F-35s a highly capable, passive, Within Visual Range air-to-air capability.

British Defence Minister Philip Dunne welcomed the news from MBDA saying: "The upcoming work to integrate the MBDA Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile onto the F-35 Lightning aircraft will provide a state of the art weapon for both our RAF and Royal Navy pilots. The integration of this missile also demonstrates the success of the UK Defence industry's contribution to the wider F-35 programme. Around 15 per cent in value of every F-35 is being built here in the UK and the work is invaluable to British industry, supporting thousands of jobs across the UK."

These test missiles will be used during 2016 for a series of flight trials and air-launched firings that are a key step towards the Initial Operating Capability of the aircraft by the UK. The trials will include environmental data gathering, safe separation from the aircraft, weapon integration with the F-35's on-board systems, and lastly, weapon firing trials involving the engagement of targets. These integration activities will take place at both the Naval Air Station Patuxent River and Edwards Air Force base in the USA.

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mbda-systems.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F02%2FPhoto-2016-02-08-300x240.jpg&hash=8fe6a2253d9ccf252620eb9ebfe03edd3678ec2c)

http://www.mbda-systems.com/press-releases/mbda-delivers-asraam-missiles-for-f-35-integration/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 08/02/2016 | 15:09 uur
ben benieuwd wat het wapenpakket van de NL F-35 wordt.
de AIM-9X lijkt me voor de hand liggen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/02/2016 | 15:16 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 08/02/2016 | 15:09 uur
ben benieuwd wat het wapenpakket van de NL F-35 wordt.
de AIM-9X lijkt me voor de hand liggen.
Voor de F-16AM/BM komt t.z.t. de AIM-9X Block II. Deze is dan ook voor de F-35A.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/02/2016 | 16:31 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 08/02/2016 | 15:09 uur
ben benieuwd wat het wapenpakket van de NL F-35 wordt.
de AIM-9X lijkt me voor de hand liggen.

Naast AIM-9X AMRAAM-D en ik hoop op termijn Meteoor en Cuda (of soortgenoot)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/02/2016 | 09:17 uur
Russia and Belarus agree Su-30 deal

Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly | 08 February 2016

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Belarus is to receive an undisclosed number of Su-30 combat aircraft from Russia, as the two countries come to a preliminary agreement. Source: French MoD

Russia has reached a preliminary agreement to supply Belarus with an undisclosed number of Sukhoi Su-30 'Flanker' combat aircraft, national media reported on 5 February.

The Russian Deputy Minister of Defence, Major-General Igor Lotenkov, made the announcement that the Su-30s will be provided to the former Soviet republic to replace the MiG-29 'Fulcrum' fighters that it inherited at the end of the Cold War in 1991.

The Su-30 procurement is part of a wider defence deal between Russia and Belarus that will see the latter receive modern combat aircraft in an effort to upgrade its largely Soviet-era inventory. In addition to this high-end fighter type, Belarus has also begun receiving Yakovlev Yak-130 'Mitten' advanced jet trainer/light-attack aircraft it ordered in 2012.

Although now an independent state, Belarus serves as something of a buffer zone between the West and Russia, with all of its military equipment either supplied by or supported by the Kremlin.

Since the break-up of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s, Belarus has retained the closest ties to Moscow of all of the former Soviet republics. Over recent years, this friendship has been cemented with Russia providing Belarus with the latest ground-based air defence units, such as the S-400 Triumf (SA-21 'Growler'), S-300 (NATO reporting name SA-10 'Grumble'), and Tor-M2E (SA-15D 'Gauntlet') surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems, as well as promising and providing modern combat aircraft.

As well as supplying the Belarus military with equipment, Russia maintains a permanent presence at Baranovichi Airbase in Belarus, with between four and 18 Sukhoi Su-27 'Flanker' fighters on standby, and additional aircraft are expected to arrive later this year.


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http://www.janes.com/article/57813/russia-and-belarus-agree-su-30-deal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/02/2016 | 10:30 uur
The Coming Dogfight Between the F-35 and the New Bomber   
( dat zal nog wel een financiële strijd worden voor budget, ten kosten van .... ik denk dat de F-35 de verliezer wordt. )

(Source: DefenseOne; posted Feb 8, 2016)

A battle is brewing between the two multibillion-dollar aircraft programs — and the defense companies, lobbyists, and Pentagon offices that back them.

The two aircraft at the center of the Pentagon's future-of-war plans are headed for a fierce battle, even though one has never faced off against a foreign rival and the other has never flown.

It's a fight without bombs, missiles, or the chest-thumping roar of 43,000 pounds of jet thrust screaming across the sky. Instead, this clash is unfolding in the shadowy conference rooms of the Pentagon and boardrooms of the world's largest defense companies. The stakes are high: tens of billions of dollars every year for a decade or more.

That money will fund two of the most sophisticated and expensive planes ever built, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter and the new Long Range Strike-Bomber, or LRS-B. The bomber needs cash to get off the ground and the skittish F-35 camp already is worried the new kids will steal from the huge but finite pot.

"The F-35A and [the bomber] are almost certainly on a collision course," said Todd Harrison, a budget analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

The fight will intensify this week when President Barack Obama sends his 2017 budget request to Congress.

The F-35's price tag looms at $400 billion for thousands of jets to be bought over the next two decades. The 100 planned bombers are expected to cost between $80 billion and $111 billion. The last time the Air Force had such an ambitious plane-building plan, Ronald Reagan was president. But unlike then, defense spending is capped through 2021.

"The problem now is it does not look like we have a buildup of that [Reagan-era] magnitude on the horizon in the defense budget," Harrison said. "We're not going to see the budget increase by 30 percent in the near future here."

Pentagon leaders have expressed unwavering support for both projects.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/171052/the-coming-dogfight-between-the-f_35-and-the-new-bomber.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/02/2016 | 15:10 uur
Indonesia to Buy 10 Fighter Jets from Russia

Xinhua news | February 9, 2016

JAKARTA --- Indonesia will buy 10 units of Sukhoi 35 fighter jets from Russia to strengthen the country's air forces, a minister confirmed on Tuesday.

"I will go to Russia in March to sign off the contract," Defense Minister Ryamizard told reporters on the sidelines of his meeting with visiting Russian Security Council delegation in Jakarta.

He said the government limit the purchase to 10 units, but promised to update the air forces' warplane fleet according to the rapid technology development in global fighter jet industry.

"If brand new technology comes to surface, we can update (the fighter jets)," the minister said.

Ryamizard added that Indonesia and Russia have agreed on the transfer of technology (TOT) terms regarding the purchase.

He said that Indonesia would send its military personnel to Russia to undergo training where they will expand their knowledge on defense science and operation of the planes.

Indonesian Air Forces Commander, Marshall Agus Supriatna hinted late last year that Indonesia would buy 12 units of Sukhoi 35 fighter jets to replace the already-decommissioned light attack warplanes F-5 E/F.

The Air Forces gets 3.1 million U.S. dollars in funds from the state budget to modernize its fleet in a bid to comply with Minimum Essential Force (MEF) military doctrine for 2015 to 2019 period.

Indonesian Air Forces operates 11 Sukhoi 30 and 5 Sukhoi 27 planes, which come from the same "Flanker family" with Sukhoi 35, in its fleet at present.

Besides the defense minister, the Russian delegation was received by several other Indonesian officials including the maritime security chief, anti-narcotics agency chief, intelligence agency chief and Indonesian military intelligence chief.

The visiting Russian delegation was led by the Security Council secretary. They held a close-door meeting with Indonesian counterparts, discussing cooperation in defense, combating drug abuses and terrorism issues.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/171102/indonesia-says-will-buy-only-10-sukhoi-su_35s.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 10/02/2016 | 17:29 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 10/02/2016 | 10:30 uur
The Coming Dogfight Between the F-35 and the New Bomber   
( dat zal nog wel een financiële strijd worden voor budget, ten kosten van .... ik denk dat de F-35 de verliezer wordt. )

De F35 is vooral een verliezer van zichzelf.

Maar ook de VS kijkt tegen een zeker boeggolf aan, zeker vwb de Air Force. Want zo'n beetje alles wat niet vervangen moet worden, moet geupdate worden. En er zijn een veelvoud aan programma's die geld nodig gaan hebben. Ondertussen loopt het KC-X programma weer even, maar ik vermoed te traag. Ook met de AWACS moet wat gedaan worden, en met de Hercs, de bewapening (nieuwe AMRAAM/CUDA, Cruisemissile etc). Projecten die direct merkbaar zijn als die te lang uitgesteld worden, maar niet vergeten dat er nog een project van honderd miljard in de kast ligt, nuclear deterrence. De B61 krijgt een upgrade, maar de grootste kostenpost in dit dossier wordt de vervanging van de Boeing Minuteman III. Veel hangt ook af van de aankomende verkiezingen. Als Sanders president wordt zou het huidige spending limiet wel eens verder aangescherpt kunnen worden, terwijl een aantal republikeinen er wat Reaganeske ideeen op na lijken te houden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 10/02/2016 | 18:01 uur
Het beste zou Bernie zijn, althans voor de Amerikanen. Die kunnen echt wel een paar likken socialisme gebruiken. Die cultuur knalt uit elkaar van polarisatie en kloven tussen arm en rijk. Best een goede vent en heeft een goed woord over voor de krijgsmacht hoor, vergis je daar niet in. Het is een realist. De grootste nachtmerrie voor moeder aarde zou het zijn als Trump president wordt. Ik durf te wedden dat die vent president is geworden omdat hij denkt/weet dat het presidentschap te koop is. Waarom niet? Die man wil maar 1 ding en dat is onsterfelijk worden.

Trump gaat massaal investeren in buitenlands beleid van de VS. Hij gaat paradepaardjes nodig hebben om te showen aan het volk en dat betekent met de vuist op tafel slaan bij van alles want Amerikanen willen maar 1 ding, en dat is invloed. Beetje Frans maar dan een stuk succesvoller want ze slepen met een enorme zak geld en een dikke knuppel achter zich aan. En als Trump hierin wil slagen, dan heeft hij vonken nodig, en die vent gaat die opzoeken... moet je niet willen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 10/02/2016 | 18:09 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 10/02/2016 | 18:01 uur
De grootste nachtmerrie voor moeder aarde zou het zijn als Trump president wordt. Ik durf te wedden dat die vent president is geworden omdat hij denkt/weet dat het presidentschap te koop is. Waarom niet? Die man wil maar 1 ding en dat is onsterfelijk worden.

Trump gaat massaal investeren in buitenlands beleid van de VS. Hij gaat paradepaardjes nodig hebben om te showen aan het volk en dat betekent met de vuist op tafel slaan bij van alles want Amerikanen willen maar 1 ding, en dat is invloed. Beetje Frans maar dan een stuk succesvoller want ze slepen met een enorme zak geld en een dikke knuppel achter zich aan. En als Trump hierin wil slagen, dan heeft hij vonken nodig, en die vent gaat die opzoeken... moet je niet willen.
Wat betreft Trump volledig mee eens.
of dat de Amerikaanse defensie met Sanders gelukkiger is dan met een 'Reagan' weet ik niet.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Micheltje op 10/02/2016 | 19:26 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 10/02/2016 | 18:01 uur
Het beste zou Bernie zijn, althans voor de Amerikanen. Die kunnen echt wel een paar likken socialisme gebruiken. Die cultuur knalt uit elkaar van polarisatie en kloven tussen arm en rijk. Best een goede vent en heeft een goed woord over voor de krijgsmacht hoor, vergis je daar niet in. Het is een realist. De grootste nachtmerrie voor moeder aarde zou het zijn als Trump president wordt. Ik durf te wedden dat die vent president is geworden omdat hij denkt/weet dat het presidentschap te koop is. Waarom niet? Die man wil maar 1 ding en dat is onsterfelijk worden.

Trump gaat massaal investeren in buitenlands beleid van de VS. Hij gaat paradepaardjes nodig hebben om te showen aan het volk en dat betekent met de vuist op tafel slaan bij van alles want Amerikanen willen maar 1 ding, en dat is invloed. Beetje Frans maar dan een stuk succesvoller want ze slepen met een enorme zak geld en een dikke knuppel achter zich aan. En als Trump hierin wil slagen, dan heeft hij vonken nodig, en die vent gaat die opzoeken... moet je niet willen.

Ik denk idd dat je ook slechter af bent met Trump
Trump zou alleen maar negatieve gevolgen met zich mee brengen
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/02/2016 | 15:01 uur
Successful Storm Shadow and Meteor missile trials continue for Eurofighter Typhoon

Eurofighter Press Release | 11 February 2016

Further trials of the Storm Shadow deep strike missile and Meteor Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air missile have been successfully completed as part of a programme of improvements which will further enhance the powerful swing-role capability of the Eurofighter Typhoon combat jet.

It has been confirmed that a new operational release of the Storm Shadow missile was carried out in the UK Ministry of Defence's Hebrides range in Scotland. The release - from the Italian Instrumented Production Aircraft (IPA) 2 - is part of work conducted to expand the safe weapon trajectory data envelope of the missile. The test, which was led by Finmeccanica – Aircraft Division, with the support of Eurofighter, BAE Systems, Airbus Defence and Space, and MBDA, follows the completion of ground trials on the weapon and a successful release of Storm Shadow in November 2015.

It was followed by another firing of a Meteor Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air missile using UK Typhoon aircraft IPA6, also at the Hebrides range. Led by BAE Systems with support from MBDA, Selex, QinetiQ and UK Ministry of Defence (MOD) and the Eurofighter teams. The firing follows trials held in late 2015 which saw the Typhoon aircraft conduct guided Meteor firings against real air targets in pre-planned scenarios.

The Storm Shadow and Meteor firings are part of the flight test campaign for the Phase 2 Enhancement (P2E) programme which will introduce a range of new and improved long range attack capabilities to Typhoon.

Commenting on the Storm Shadow tests, Enrico Scarabotto, the Italian Chief Test pilot who flew the IPA2, said: "The integration of the weapon further enhances Typhoon's potent multi-role and swing-role capabilities, adding new capability to strike in day or night, in all-weather conditions. Storm Shadow adds attack stand-off capability to Typhoon which now really accomplishes every possible role in the combat scenario. The aircraft retains excellent performance in an incredible low pilot workload cockpit environment, essential for a single seat multirole aircraft."

Steve Greenbank, Director of Aircraft Programmes for Military Air & Information, BAE Systems, said: "These latest Meteor firing trials are another step forward in the integration of the missile onto the Typhoon aircraft, demonstrating they can operate safely, accurately and effectively.

"2015 was a hugely exciting 12 months for Typhoon, with contracts placed for new capabilities and enhancements. The integration of Meteor further enhance the aircraft's abilities to ensure Typhoon maintains its position as the most capable, agile and enduring swing role fighter in the international market. These trials also form important maturity points for the UKs Project CENTURION plan, which will see Typhoon provide the continuous delivery of key combat air capabilities as Tornado moves towards its out-of-service date."

In addition to Meteor and Storm Shadow, the integration of MBDA's Brimstone, part of the Phase 3 Enhancements (P3E) programme, is on contract for Eurofighter Typhoon. Brimstone is a precision attack missile with proven capabilities against both static and moving/manoeuvring targets.

https://www.eurofighter.com/news-and-events/2016/02/successful-storm-shadow-and-meteor-missile-trials-continue-for-eurofighter-typhoon
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/02/2016 | 18:36 uur
T-X pact with Boeing a winner, says Saab boss

By Craig Hoyle, London | 11 February 2016

Saab chief executive Håkan Buskhe believes his company's low-profile pursuit of the US Air Force's T-X trainer requirement will pay dividends next year, when he hopes to win the 350-aircraft deal with its US partner Boeing.

"We have been extremely successful [in the past] being quiet," he notes, referring to Saab's international sales performance with products including the Gripen fighter. "That is also an important part of us being able to win this tender – and it proves our partnership is very tight," he adds.

"When we started the discussion [with Boeing Defense, Space & Security chief executive Chris Chadwick] in 2010 we were very clear we had to do something that is unique – to do more for less," Buskhe says. "For the last two-and-a-half years we have been working extremely [closely] together: the team is working very well, and we can see that we are fulfilling our aims."

Continuing a practice of not revealing technical details about the proposed replacement for the USAF's Northrop T-38C Talon fleet during an annual results conference in Stockholm on 10 February, he said: "I have huge belief that we will win the tender process." A selection is anticipated next year, with a contract award for the requirement to follow around 2018, he adds.


Saab took a financial hit of undisclosed size last year through its forward-investment in the T-X project, with the sum greater than that accumulated during the 2014 accounting period. "This work will continue in 2016," it adds.

Rivalry is already fierce for the major training fleet renewal opportunity, with other bidders expected to include Alenia Aermacchi, Lockheed Martin/Korea Aerospace Industries and Northrop Grumman. "When the time is right, we will make our moves," Bushke says.

Meanwhile, the Saab chief executive also declines to reveal when the company expects to conduct the first flight with its lead prototype of the new-generation Gripen E. Final assembly work on aircraft 39-8 is, however, "going tremendously well", he comments.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/t-x-pact-with-boeing-a-winner-says-saab-boss-421777/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/02/2016 | 18:38 uur
Lockheed proposes KAI T-50A for T-X over Skunk Works design

By James Drew, Washington DC | 11 February 2016

Lockheed Martin will offer an upgraded version of the T-50 fighter it jointly developed with Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) for the US Air Force's T-X trainer programme, forgoing a clean-sheet alternative designed by its Skunk Works division.

The company revealed at a press conference in Washington DC today that it will build the aircraft in Greenville, South Carolina and is already standing up a "warm" final assembly and checkout facility there that should be ready by year's end.

The company has invested heavily in a block upgrade of the T-50 that adds an aerial refuelling receptacle on the dorsal of the aircraft, as seen on the first production example unveiled in South Korea in December. It includes an embedded training system and fifth-generation cockpit similar to what's installed in the F-35 Lightning II.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=65140)
KAI

The aircraft takes advantage of open system architecture standards developed by the air force and industry to speed up the integration of new sensors, weapons and other capabilities.

The T-50A is nearing first flight, and the first two production examples are due to arrive in the USA "later this year" for further testing and demonstration.

"Our clean sheet team thought we had a great airplane but it doesn't do much more than the T-50," says company executive Rob Weiss. "It doesn't add capability beyond a modernised T-50.

"[T-50A] is at a point it could give back money from what's currently in the air force budget."

Weiss says Skunk Works has completed 80% of the detailed design work on its clean-sheet alternative and that work has now ceased.

He says the proposed design would have cost eight times more to fully develop than it would to bring the T-50A into production, but the extended schedule was more of a concern.

Major components of the aircraft will be assembled in Korea including the wings, fuselage and tail. Those components would be shipped to the USA for final assembly to produce an American-built aircraft for use by the air force as an advanced jet trainer.

The air force could procure as many as 350 T-X trainers and the associated ground-based training system, replacing hundreds of Northrop T-38C. It would prepare pilots to operate the latest fifth and sixth-generation combat jets.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-proposes-kai-t-50a-for-t-x-over-skunk-works-421837/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/02/2016 | 09:33 uur
US Navy seeks 16 more F/A-18 Super Hornets

By James Drew, Washington DC | 11 February 2016

The US Navy has sought more F/A-18 Super Hornets by funding two aircraft in fiscal 2017 to replace combat losses and another 14 in 2018 to maintain capacity as older Hornet units wear out.

Concerned about a shortfall in structurally-sound strike fighters, the navy has accelerated its procurement of F-35s by funding 64 carrier-based models, eight more than planned, and keeping the Super Hornet factory in St Louis, Missouri in production amid lacklustre foreign sales.

Boeing is counting on the navy to keep production of its Super Hornet variants, including the EA-18G Growler electronic attack jet, active as it attempts to muster 24 orders per year to keep the line viable.

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Boeing EA-18G
US Navy

The navy has budgeted $185 million in its wartime budget for the jets in 2017 and includes $1.3 billion in its 2018 projects for the 14 extra F/A-18s.

"I think it's a good decision," says aerospace and defence analyst Wayne Plucker of Frost & Sullivan. "It gives them a good strike capability ahead of whatever the F-35C ends up being for them. It's predictable and cost-effective, so in all likelihood, it's probably a good decision."

Contrariwise, the US Air Force did not lend a helping hand to the Boeing F-15E Strike Eagle and Lockheed F-16 production lines by buying more aircraft, which prevents the line from going the way of the dodo bird and becoming extinct.

The air force does begin retrofitting its F-16s with new active electronically scanned array radars but does not fund full-up procurement of the latest V-model model by Lockheed.

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Lockheed Martin F-16V
Lockheed Martin

Plucker believes the F-16 and F-15 remain viable combat platforms when support by packages of fifth-generation F-22 Raptors and F-35 Lightning IIs, possibly compensating for F-35 delays.

Recently retired air force vice chief of staff Gen Larry Spencer contends, though, that there's no point procuring old fighter models if new designs being fielded by Russia and China are more capable. "You've got to look at what they're going to fight against," he says. "Part of the question is about the new generation of surface-to-air missiles, and other detection abilities, and where a fourth-generation aircraft are more susceptible."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-navy-seeks-16-more-fa-18-super-hornets-421845/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/02/2016 | 19:56 uur
Bogdan Predicts F-35s For Less Than $80M, Engines Included! 

By Colin Clark - on February 11, 2016

ARLINGTON, VA: Three years ago, Lockheed Martin made the bold boast that F-35s would cost less than $85 million a copy by 2019, less than any existing fourth-generation fighter.

Skeptics howled. Boeing scoffed (eager to sell their ostensibly cheaper F-18 and keep its production line open). Most of us were impressed at then-Lockheed Martin program manager Lorraine Martin's audacity.

Now, Program Executive Officer Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan says the most common model of the plane, the F-35A, will hit $80 million to $85 million by 2019 and he expects the price will go lower, especially when it hits multi-year procurement in a few years. That price is in then-year dollars, and it includes an engine.

He estimated the next two lots, LRIPs 9 and 10, will come in at just about and then below $100 million a plane. The deal, which had been expected months ago, had hit what Bogdan admitted was an "impasse." The problem? "I'm not rushing into a bad deal, " he said, adding that he wasn't "going to let time pressure me into doing a bad deal for taxpayers." Total value of the two lots should be around $15 billion.

With 173 days remaining before the Air Force plans to declare the F-35A ready for Initial Operational Capability, the program faces 419 "deficiencies" it needs to either fix, ignore or work around, Bogdan noted in a roundtable with reporters the day after the Pentagon 2017 budget was unveiled.

Since that number will likely explode the heads of Joint Strike Fighter critics, let's consider what it actually means. The great majority of those problems are, as has been endlessly reported, software problems, and most of the software problems are to be found in the complex system known as ALIS, which monitors the aircraft, manages parts, helps with mission planning and does almost everything except fly and fight the plane. To get some idea of its complexity, ALIS has twice as much software as the airplane itself. And the aircraft is the most software-intensive weapon in the US arsenal.

The toughest problem the program is having is matching the timing of the aircraft's fusion software with its sensors' software. "As we add different radar modes and as we add different and capabilities to the DAS system and to the EOTS system, the timing is misaligned," and then you have to reboot it. Bogdan said he's aiming for eight to nine hours between such software failures when a radar or DAS or EOTS needs to be rebooted, which is what legacy aircraft boast. Right now they are at four to five hours between such events. "That's not a good metric."

http://breakingdefense.com/2016/02/bogdan-predicts-f-35s-for-less-than-80m-engines-included/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 13/02/2016 | 00:54 uur
Dream on Bogdan!  Een F-35A 'Joint Strike Fairy tale' ruwweg voor de prijs van een F-28E/F Super Hornet.

Volgens de juridisch bindende Request For Information gedaan aan de Noorse regering in april 2008 gaat een F-35A rond 2019 USD 165 - 235 miljoen
kosten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/02/2016 | 10:40 uur
Sixth-Gen Fighter Likely Won't Be Common Across Services, Air Force General Says

Lara Seligman and Phillip Swarts, Defense News, Military Times 6:29 p.m. EST February 12, 2016

WASHINGTON — In a departure from the dual-service F-35 effort, the Pentagon's sixth-generation fighter jet likely won't be common between the US Air Force and the US Navy, a top Air Force general said Friday.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense-news/2016/02/12/sixth-gen-fighter-likely-wont-common-across-services-air-force-general-says/80307248/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 13/02/2016 | 23:47 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 13/02/2016 | 00:54 uur
Dream on Bogdan!  Een F-35A 'Joint Strike Fairy tale' ruwweg voor de prijs van een F-28E/F Super Hornet.

Volgens de juridisch bindende Request For Information gedaan aan de Noorse regering in april 2008 gaat een F-35A rond 2019 USD 165 - 235 miljoen
kosten.

Is die 8 jaar oude Noorse RFI inmiddels niet een beetje gedateerd?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 14/02/2016 | 01:10 uur
Citaat van: Strata op 13/02/2016 | 23:47 uur
Is die 8 jaar oude Noorse RFI inmiddels niet een beetje gedateerd?
In tegendeel, is juist zeer actueel. 

Nederland deed in 2008 ook een RFI, maar die was NIET juridisch bindend.  Kwam goed van pas bij de toenmalige kandidaten 'vergelijking'.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 15/02/2016 | 13:12 uur
Gripen News ‏@GripenNews  · 17 u17 uur geleden
#Swiss defmin informed the #Swedish and #French defmin's on new fighter process about to be launched

https://twitter.com/GripenNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Een nieuwe poging om het fighter vervangingsproject in gang te zetten. Hopelijk houdt het "volk" nu het niet tegen.
Eerst de F-5's vervangen en dan komt de vervanging van de F-18 ook dichterbij.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 15/02/2016 | 13:17 uur
Citaat van: JP op 15/02/2016 | 10:40 uur

The IAF's Achilles' Heel

By all accounts, the F-35 is an impressive next generation fighter. But at the same time, as Aaron Lerner from IMRA news aggregation service noted this week, the F-35 suffers from one major weakness that arguably cancels out all of its advantages. That weakness is the F-35's operational dependence on software laboratories and logistics support computers located in the US.

In a manner that recalls Apple's ability to exert perpetual control over all iPhones by making it impossible for them to long function without periodically updating their operating systems, the US has made it impossible for foreign governments to simply purchase F-35s and use them as they see fit.

As Defense-Aerospace.com reported last November, "All F-35 aircraft operating across the world will have to update their mission data files and their Autonomic Logistic Information System (ALIS) profiles before and after every sortie, to ensure that on-board systems are programmed with the latest available operational data and that ALIS is kept permanently informed of each aircraft's technical status and maintenance requirements.

"ALIS can, and has, prevented aircraft taking off because of an incomplete data file," the report revealed.

This technical limitation on the F-35s constitutes a critical weakness from Israel's perspective for two reasons. First, as the Defense-Aerospace article points out, the need to constantly update the ALIS in the US means that the F-35 must be connected to the Internet in order to work. All Internet connections are maintained via fiber optic underwater cables.

Defense-Aerospace cited an article published last October in Wired.com reporting that those cables are "surprisingly vulnerable" to attack.

According to Nicole Starosielski, a media expert from New York University, all Internet communications go through a mere 200 underwater cables that are "concentrated in very few areas. The cables end up getting funneled through these narrow pressure points all around the globe," she said.

The Russians are probing this vulnerability.

In October the New York Times reported that "Russian submarines and spy ships are aggressively operating near the vital undersea cables that carry almost all global Internet communications, raising concerns among some American military and intelligence officials that the Russians might be planning to attack those lines in times of tension or conflict."

According to the report, the fear is that an "ultimate Russian hack on the United States could involve severing the fiber-optic cables at some of their hardest-to-access locations to halt the instant communications on which the West's governments, economies and citizens have grown dependent."

Given the F-35's dependence on the Internet, such an attack, while directed at the US itself, would also ground the IAF's main combat fighter.

Citaat van: JP op 15/02/2016 | 10:40 uur
The second reason the F-35's continuous dependence on a US-based logistics system is a critical weakness is that it would be irresponsible of Israel to trust that the US will not abuse its power to undermine and block IAF operations.

This brings us back to the Pentagon's insistence that Israel purchase only F-35s and missile defense systems. By giving Israel no option other than purchasing more F-35s, which the Americans control – to the point of being able to ground – even after they are deployed by the IAF, and defensive systems jointly developed with the US and built in the US, the Americans are hollowing out Israel's ability to operate independently.

Is natuurlijk niet alleen voor Israel relevant. Al ben ik benieuwd hoe dit werkt voor de aan boord geplaatste F35B/F35C, die zouden dan ook met simpele storingsapperatuur, die de satelietverbinding verstoord, uit te schakelen zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 15/02/2016 | 13:44 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 15/02/2016 | 13:17 uur
Is natuurlijk niet alleen voor Israel relevant. Al ben ik benieuwd hoe dit werkt voor de aan boord geplaatste F35B/F35C, die zouden dan ook met simpele storingsapperatuur, die de satelietverbinding verstoord, uit te schakelen zijn.


Daar heb ik ook al eens wat hoofdbrekens over gehad. Als het waar zou zijn dat als er voor en na een missie gelijk de F-35 (computer) gelinkt moet worden met "ïets" in de VS om te kunnen opstijgen en ook het onderhoudsprogramma ALIS dat afhankelijk is van deze "linking".
Dan heeft dat zeker de nodige consequenties, stel dat idd die data-overdracht/link gestoord wordt , wat zijn dan de mogelijkheden ?
Kun je dan nog vliegen ?

en niet overal zijn glasvezel aansluitingen
en satelliet verbindingen .... schakel de schotel op de grond uit en je hebt geen verbinding meer of .... nog drastischer schakel de satelliet uit.
Diverse landen, waaronder China, Rusland zijn druk bezig met projecten hiervoor.

Russia Flight Tests Anti-Satellite Missile
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-conducts-successful-flight-test-of-anti-satellite-missile/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/02/2016 | 09:23 uur
Why Skunk Works ditched its clean-sheet T-X for Korean T-50

By James Drew, Washington DC | 15 February 2016

One year ago this week, Lockheed Martin Skunk Works chief Rob Weiss announced that his advanced design team had been working on a clean-sheet aircraft for the US Air Force's T-X programme as a potential alternative to the South Korean T-50 Golden Eagle, which Lockheed jointly developed with Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) and now exports around the globe.

That announcement was heard across the world, including in Korea, where the government spent billions of dollars to jointly develop the F-16 spinoff T-50 and procure the F-35 Lightning II. Indeed, Korea and Indonesia had even inked a deal to codevelop the KF-X fighter with significant technology transfer from the USA via Lockheed.

Last week, in the same Lockheed office in Washington DC where the clean-sheet was first disclosed, Lockheed declared that alternative design effort over, in favour of a block upgrade of the KAI Golden Eagle trainer known as T-50A.

At stake is a multibillion-dollar programme to produce 350 next-generation training aircraft and associated ground-based training systems to replace the 45-year-old Northrop T-38C Talon.

That announcement would have come as a relief to South Korea, which first unveiled its Lockheed-KAI T-50A offer for T-X with much pomp and ceremony in December.

"Frankly, when it came out last year in the media there was some concern," Weiss tells Flightglobal. "I said we'll be on stronger ground when we have done the work and really understand what the facts and the data tell us about a clean-sheet versus the T-50. Frankly, they've been as anxious as anyone to understand and hear the results of our study. They certainly understood why we had to do what we did."

Skunk Works has built its reputation in the classified world, producing revolutionary and legendary aircraft such as the U-2, SR-71 and F-117 – the world's first stealthy attack aircraft.

Today, the organisation is working on a variety of next-generation weapons systems from the "UQ-X" optionally piloted replacement for its U-2, to the air force and navy's next air dominance platforms. Other projects include including ship and land-based unmanned combat jets and new battle management aircraft like the E-8C "JSTARS" replacement, Weiss explained in 2014.

So why did such an organisation choose a mostly Korean-built trainer aircraft over something developed internally? According to Weiss, it came down to the metrics of cost, capability, schedule and risk.

He says work ceased on the clean-sheet alternative in late 2015 with 80% of the detailed design work complete, approximately five years after the two-pronged approach to T-X was approved.

"It's in the DNA of the Skunk Works to design new airplanes," Weiss explais. "This was a very sweet airplane and folks were passionate about it. It was very capable and it would do everything the US Air Force was looking for in the T-X aircraft.

"[But] we're all-in on the T-50 now and we're comfortable about that. "We're happy we did that study because now we understand the facts and the data. The facts and the data are that this is the right solution for the US air force because it's here now, it meets their capability requirements, there's no schedule risk."

The T-50A will be delivered as a block upgrade to the baseline T-50. It adds an embedded training system, fifth-generation cockpit, open system architecture and in-flight refuelling.

Weiss says the clean-sheet alternative might have cost approximately eight times more to develop, without adding significant capability "beyond a modernised T-50". Moreover, it would struggle to meet the air force's recently revised initial operational capability (IOC) date of 2024.

"Our team thought we had a really, really fine airplane . . . but it doesn't do any more than the T-50 already does, so at the end of the day – it costs more, takes longer, has higher risk and without adding significant value beyond the T-50," Weiss says. "That baseline [T-50] aircraft has over 100,000 flight hours. It's very mature. It's trained more than 1,000 pilots today."

The T-50A would be delivered from Lockheed's Greenville, South Carolina plant, which specialises in "nose-to-tail modification, maintenance, repair and overhaul" of in-service types. Lockheed is establishing a "warm" T-50A final assembly and checkout line there that should be ready by year's end.

The first two production-representative prototypes are being built, unveiled and flown for the first time in Korea but will arrive in America later this year for flight demonstrations. Weiss encouraged the air force to conduct a flight evaluation and he says new trainers could start rolling off the Greenville assembly line "within months" of a T-X contract award.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=65853)
Lockheed Martin

"For the US Air Force to be flying our finest women and men in an airplane that's almost 50 years old is just unacceptable in my mind," he says. "That's where the T-50 shines. It meets all the capability requirements, so a clean sheet from anyone else is not going to provide additional capability. The cost of developing [a new] airplane is substantially higher and it's got all the schedule risk in it."

The air force responded to Lockheed's proposal during a budget briefing on 12 February, saying it remains committed to holding a fair and open competition between the clean-sheets proposed by Boeing and Saab, Northrop Grumman and BAE Systems and the T-50 and T-100 derivatives proposed by Lockheed-KAI and Finmeccanica-Alenia Aermacchi respectively.

"We think we have a good [acquisition plan] that pits the people who have purpose-built and modified airplanes," says deputy chief of staff for plans and requirements Lt Gen James Holmes.

The air force's latest five-year spending plan includes $943 million for "advanced pilot training" research and development plus $63.5 million for the production of long-lead parts. IOC would be 2024, about one year later than planned due to "budget realities".

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/why-skunk-works-ditched-its-clean-sheet-t-x-for-kore-421946/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/02/2016 | 11:10 uur
Finnish MoD Study Discounts Long-term Stealth Advantage

Evaluation of the Future Importance of Signature Management

The Exploratory Task Force for the replacement of the Hornet fleet performance launched a study to determine the importance of stealth technology in the future development of potential countermeasures technologies and measures developments.

The study was implemented by the Signal Processing and Acoustics Department of Aalto University and the Defence Forces Research Institute. The study analyzed the performance of 4+ and 5th generation fighters against a multirole MIMO (multiple-input multiple-output) radar. The main research question relates to perceptible differences in 4+ and 5th generation multi-purpose fighters from the perspective of the radar.

Below is a summary of the public survey. The survey itself is confidential.

The role of military aircraft stealth in future warfare has generated a lot of discussion recently around the world. Stealth is undoubtedly a very important factor in the new generation of fighter aircraft performance, but not the only one. Its effectiveness depends on the aircraft's own characteristics, but also on its mission, flight path, weapons systems and counterparty radar systems, signal intelligence, other sensor systems as well as the performance of weapon systems. It is also good to remember that the improvement of stealth aircraft has accelerated the development of countermeasures. What is essential is to find out whether the objectives of stealth are of sufficient interest in various aspects of fighter aircraft.

Stealth in a platform is defined as the ability to operate without being detected, or that it is capable of affecting adverse weapon systems. To study stealth, it is essential to evaluate the aircraft's radar cross section (RCS), which can be used to infer how well the machine is visible to surveillance, monitoring and target tracking radar. Radar cross-section varies significantly depending on the location of the transmitters, radar, engine and radar receivers, and radar signal wavelength and waveform used.

Radar signals are reflected and scattered in a different way in different directions. Therefore, the radar signal received varies significantly, depending on the direction from which the radar "sees" the aircraft. Stealth surface design and materials contribute substantially to the way the signal is reflected and scattered in different directions. The shape of the aircraft design is most affected because it determines the direction in which the radar signal is reflected. The surface material is designed to attenuate reflected and scattered signals. Radiation-absorbing material (RAM) is placed in places of particular interest, which could reflect and scatter signals in undesired directions. These include, for example, air inlets and wing leading and trailing edges.

Stealth aircraft are usually designed for the frequency ranges used by the computer-designed radar operating systems. Protection against detection may not be as good in other frequency bands.

Future advanced radar systems will be based on the benefits of different radar signals, known as signal diversity. Using a wide signal diversity provides advantages to produce a radar transmitter and receiver with decentralized location, multi-frequency utilization, the waveforms used the flexibility and utilization of polarization variations in the radio-frequency signals. Since stealth features depend primarily on aircraft design, a distributed radar system can be used to achieve a clear advantage for the detection and separation of stealth aircraft.

In general, radar systems with several transmitters and receivers are positioned at various locations, called distributed MIMO (multiple-input multiple-output). A single transmitter, or the receiver, may then be equipped with an antenna array, which allows for electronic scanning and the simultaneous reception of the reflected signals from several different directions.

For the study, different aircraft models were observed by advanced radar systems. The study of three-dimensional aircraft models, radio frequency signal propagation models, data analysis and advanced simulation software were used. It should be noted, however, that computer models are always simplifications of the actual aircraft. Therefore, simulations are always associated with the inherent uncertainty. For example, the effect of the airframe's surface treatment machine and materials of the machine or external weapon systems can be difficult to assess reliably alone computer simulation.

The simulations clearly showed that, at low frequencies, the radar detects stealth aircraft much earlier than higher frequency radars. Although the range resolution of low-frequency radar is generally lower, and their positioning less accurate, they can provide a rough estimate using a higher-frequency radar signal or other sensors, allowing more accurate monitoring of a target to be achieved.

In addition, at the lower radar frequencies the added benefit of stealth features is lower, due to the different types of aircraft detection, and tracking range was not as significant as the difference between the high-frequency radars. This supports the very information that for stealth aircraft the design emphasis has been on reducing the detectability of the aircraft by the most commonly used radar at higher frequencies.

In addition to the use of different frequencies, the team also studied the importance of radar transmitters and receivers and their decentralization on stealth aircraft detectability. Compared to a conventional radar system, MIMO radars can simultaneously transmit multiple waveforms, combined with the findings from a number of different receivers, and detect signals scattered and reflected in other directions.

As early detection of a radar signal receiver allows more decentralized stealth aircraft detection while traditional radar does not detect it.

Stealth design benefits depend on the location of radar transmitters and receivers relative to each other and to the aircraft. Thus, the aircraft flight path is also of great importance to its detectability. It may be noted, however, that the multi-spot radar is able to detect and monitor existing stealth aircraft to explore further afield.

By simulating the results obtained, MIMO radar has increased the likelihood of detection of an aircraft in a controlled area by about 30 percentage points compared to traditional autonomous radar. However, the importance of this fact in air warfare depends on many other factors. It is also noted that sometimes, from the stealthy object's point of view, it is sufficient that it be influenced, even if it is not detected. If the radar system receives returns that it cannot track, or on which missiles are unable to lock on, the situation is turns to the advantage of the stealthy aircraft.

The life cycle of fighter aircraft is very long. The Hornet replacement fighter is now already in production, and the fighters we purchase will be used for several decades. An aircraft's basic design is determined at the time of its acquisition, but sensors evolve over the years, so any assessment of the various options for the future fighter must also take into account how radar and other sensor technologies will develop.

Further research leads us to support the preparation of the fighter procurement by providing research-based information on the development of sensor technologies in the 2030s.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/171262/finnish-mod-study-discounts-long_term-stealth-advantage.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 16/02/2016 | 11:35 uur
F-22 And Other Top Guns At The Singapore Airshow

Singapore Airshow managing director Leck Chet Lam says one of the top stars will be the U.S. Air Force Lockheed Martin F-22. This fifth generation fighter is so technologically advanced that the U.S. government refuses to allow it to be sold to any other nation. The USAF is also bringing the Lockheed Martin F-16 and the Boeing C-17, its large heavy-lift transport aircraft.

There is a requirement in the Asia-Pacific region for more military transport aircraft, which may explain the presence of Airbus Military's A400M at the show. The Royal Malaysian Air Force operates the A400M, but Airbus Military also is hoping to sell it to other countries in the region including Singapore, Indonesia, Brunei and Thailand.

The Malaysian Air Force will bring the Sukhoi Su-30, the most highly advanced fighter in its fleet. At the 2014 Singapore Airshow, the Malaysians brought the MiG-29, but they are planning to phase out that aircraft type. One of the aircraft Malaysia is considering buying is the Dassault Rafale, which is why the French manufacturer brought it to the show. The Rafale has been riding a wave of success lately after securing orders from Egypt and Qatar, while a sale to India has not yet been finalized.

Another aircraft that has been achieving some sales success is the Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI) T-50. Indonesia and the Philippines have both ordered the type.

The Republic of Korea Air Force's T50 flying acrobatic team, the Black Eagles, will be performing at the show and the Republic of Singapore Air Force will be doing a coordinated flying display involving the Boeing F-15SG and the Boeing AH-64 Apache attack helicopter.

In terms of commercial aircraft at the show, Bombardier has announced that it will have the CSeries CS100 on static display. This aircraft type recently gained Transport Canada certification and is due to be delivered to launch operator Swiss International Air Lines in this year's first half.

Also on display is the Airbus A350. Singapore Airlines has ordered the aircraft and several other carriers in the region are considering it. Philippine Airlines, for example, plans to announce at the show whether it has ordered the A350-900 or the Boeing 787-9 to replace its Airbus A340s.

http://aviationweek.com/singapore-airshow-2016/f-22-and-other-top-guns-singapore-airshow?NL=AW-05&Issue=AW-05_20160216_AW-05_152&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_2&utm_rid=CPEN1000002205251&utm_campaign=4964&utm_medium=email&elq2=81a38f470b0b4673bd5551d56cb8e67f
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/02/2016 | 13:10 uur
Confirmed: Iran and Russia to Co-Produce Su-30 Fighter Jet

Iran's defense minister revealed that Tehran is set to receive the Su-30 fighter jet at an undisclosed future date.

By Franz-Stefan Gady / February 14, 2016

During a recent television interview, Iran's Defense Minister, General Hossein Dehqhan, announced that Iran will sign a contract with Russia for the co-production of an undisclosed number of Russian-made Sukhoi Su-30 multirole fighter aircraft, Fars News Agency reports.

Should the deal go through, Iran will be the second country in the world after India to produce a variation of the Su-30 fighter jet locally. However, as of now, it still remains unclear in what capacity Tehran will be involved in the aircraft production process.

According to a source within Iran's Defense Ministry interviewed by Sputnik News, a contract could be signed as early as February 16, when the Iranian defense minister will arrive in Moscow to discuss the deliveries of S-300 air defense systems and the Sukhoi Su-30 aircraft.

"Minister Dehgan is taking a number of the Defense Ministry's representatives to the Russian capital to meet with their Russian colleagues and other highly-ranked officials," the source notes.

"The last stages will be discussed of delivering Iran the S-300 complex, the first part of which should arrive before the end of next month, and the second by the end of June. Minister Dehqwan will also discuss the delivery of Su-30 airplanes because the Defense Ministry believes the Iranian Air Force needs this type of plane. We've moved far in these discussions of purchases and I think that during the upcoming visit a contract will be signed," according to the source.

First rumors about a likely Iranian-Russian Su-30 deal emerged already in the summer of 2015 during the MAKS airshow, held near Moscow. "We are discussing the purchase of Sukhoi fighter planes," Dehqhan told Iran's Press TV back then.

However, Iran's Vice-President for Science and Technology Affairs, Sorena Sattari, who was also present during the discussions, downplayed the talks at the time: "We spoke about it but we didn't discuss purchasing them and talks were mostly focused on the technological issues."

As I explained previously (See: "Will Iran License-Build Russia's T-90S Main Battle Tank?"):

Under the so-called Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCOP), an international agreement on the nuclear program of Iran signed in July 2015, the UN arms embargo will be lifted 5 years after the JCOP adoption day. However, conventional weapons sales can be decided on a case-by-case basis meanwhile. "During the five years arms deliveries to Iran would be possible if they clear a notification and verification process in the UN Security Council," according to Russia's Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov.

It is unclear what variant of the Sukhoi Su-30 Iran is interested in, nor how many aircraft it wants to procure and within what timeframe.  During his recent television interview, General Hossein Dehqhan, also rejected the idea of procuring Chengdu  J-10 lightweight multirole fighter aircraft from China.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/02/confirmed-iran-and-russia-to-co-produce-su-30-fighter-jet/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/02/2016 | 13:49 uur
Ottawa's Fighter Jet Dilemma Might Be Exactly What Ailing Bombardier Needs

There are few problems so bad that the intrusion of government can't make it worse. But the pickle the Liberals have inherited on the CF-18 fighter jet replacement program and Bombardier's bailout might both benefit from some creative thinking from Ottawa.

Is it possible that the government could maximize its stone-to-bird ratio and use one dilemma to help solve the other?

I was engaged in idle speculation with a defence analyst last week about the CF-18 replacements.

Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan has said that a new statement of requirement for the jets will be released — one that is likely to effectively block any chance of Lockheed Martin's F-35 being chosen, in line with the Liberal Party's campaign commitment.

We discussed the options available. In the analyst's opinion, it came down to Boeing's Super Hornet, Saab's Gripen and Dassault's Rafale, with the last two being better placed to last into mid-century.

He acknowledged the problems of inter-operability with the U.S., if the Canadian military picked a European jet. The advantage, he said, was that both European manufacturers could "Canadianize" their planes by making them here.

The conversation suddenly became less idle. "You mean the entire plane could be made in Canada?" I asked.

"In theory," he said. "In fact, Saab has signed a deal to make the Gripen in Brazil, through Embraer."

That's Embraer, Bombardier's rival in the regional jet market. That's Bombardier, currently engaged in a life or death battle for survival. Bombardier, where "money goes to die," to quote Kevin O'Leary.

Ottawa is looking for "creative" ways to support the company. Bombardier has a $400-million funding gap over the next two years and has asked the federal government for help.

Could Ottawa bolster the ailing plane-maker's order book by directing a massive fighter jet contract its way?

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/171301/can-ottawa%E2%80%99s-fighter-dilemma-fix-bombardier%3F.html

orginele artikel :
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/john-ivison-ottawas-fighter-jet-dilemma-might-be-exactly-what-ailing-bombardier-needs
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/02/2016 | 13:55 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/02/2016 | 13:10 uur
Confirmed: Iran and Russia to Co-Produce Su-30 Fighter Jet

http://thediplomat.com/2016/02/confirmed-iran-and-russia-to-co-produce-su-30-fighter-jet/

Iran wil ook al Russische T-90 tanks in Iran produceren. !!  Gaat de Perzische leeuw zich nu ook roeren en zijn klauwen en tanden laten zien ?

The commander of Iran's ground forces, Brigadier General Ahmad Reza Pourdastan ... Pourdastan said that he would prefer establishing T-90s tank production facilities in Iran, rather than buying the T-90s straight from Russia.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/02/will-iran-license-build-russias-t-90s-main-battle-tank/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/02/2016 | 14:35 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 16/02/2016 | 13:55 uur
Iran wil ook al Russische T-90 tanks in Iran produceren. !!  Gaat de Perzische leeuw zich nu ook roeren en zijn klauwen en tanden laten zien ?

The commander of Iran's ground forces, Brigadier General Ahmad Reza Pourdastan ... Pourdastan said that he would prefer establishing T-90s tank production facilities in Iran, rather than buying the T-90s straight from Russia.



Het plaatje voor de volgende decennia wordt er niet rooskleuriger op, twee aardsvijanden die dik gaan investeren in materieel waar wij slechts van kunnen dromen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/02/2016 | 10:43 uur
Source: Raytheon Joining Alenia T-X Trainer Bid

Aaron Mehta and Lara Seligman, Defense News | February 16, 2016

WASHINGTON — Raytheon will announce Monday it is joining Alenia Aermacchi and CAE to offer the T-100 for the US Air Force T-X trainer competition, Defense News has learned.

.../...

Zie onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/support/2016/02/16/raytheon-alenia-t-x-trainer-air-force-cae-bid/80469538/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 17/02/2016 | 12:25 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 16/02/2016 | 13:55 uur
Iran wil ook al Russische T-90 tanks in Iran produceren. !!  Gaat de Perzische leeuw zich nu ook roeren en zijn klauwen en tanden laten zien ?

The commander of Iran's ground forces, Brigadier General Ahmad Reza Pourdastan ... Pourdastan said that he would prefer establishing T-90s tank production facilities in Iran, rather than buying the T-90s straight from Russia.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/02/will-iran-license-build-russias-t-90s-main-battle-tank/


Dikke kans dat dit ten koste gaat van de kwaliteit.
Maargoed, zo raar is het niet.
Nederland zou tijdens de koude oorlog ook de Leopard1 bij DAF willen laten produceren. Doordat de dreiging zo enorm groot was en dit een latere levering van de tankvloot zou opleveren is hiervan afgezien. Maargoed als DAF dit zou moeten kunnen in de jaren 60-70. Dan betekent dat dat het iets is wat bij een auto/zware mechanica industrie past.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 17/02/2016 | 13:15 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 17/02/2016 | 12:25 uur
Dikke kans dat dit ten koste gaat van de kwaliteit.
Maargoed, zo raar is het niet.
Nederland zou tijdens de koude oorlog ook de Leopard1 bij DAF willen laten produceren. Doordat de dreiging zo enorm groot was en dit een latere levering van de tankvloot zou opleveren is hiervan afgezien. Maargoed als DAF dit zou moeten kunnen in de jaren 60-70. Dan betekent dat dat het iets is wat bij een auto/zware mechanica industrie past.

Dat, en Iran heeft ook gewoon een militaire industrie, bouwen nu al op BMP, T72 en Scorpion gebaseerde voertuigen, dan zal een gedowngrade T90 ook wel gaan lukken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: doncadena op 17/02/2016 | 16:12 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 04/02/2016 | 18:14 uur
ik ben absoluut tegen de grippenNG
prachtig toestel voor gebruikers van de JAS39C/D maar hij heeft te weinig toekomstperspectief
dan hadden we rond 2030(maybe iets later) die dingen al weer kunnen gaan vervangen
De Gripen E heeft door zijn veel modernere software structuur veel meer toekomst perspectieven, dan de F-35.
Dat de F-35 zoveel toekomst perspectief zou hebben is een mythe., ontwerp en inrichting van zijn software is zijn grootste en tevens fundamentele probleem.
Zie de vragen van Elbert Dijkvraag van de SGP op basis van de rapporten van oppertester Gilmore van het Pentagon.
De F-35 zou van een nieuwe software "huishouding" moeten voorzien om het toestel te laten voldoen aan zijn begin 2000 gewekte verwachtingen en om snel moderne ontwikkelingen in te passen. Die complete herziening moet een verschrikkelijke en zeer kostbare klus zijn.
Ik zie dat niet gebeuren. Men zal het financieel mogelijke doen om de F-35 zo goed mogelijk, onder acceptatie van zijn beperkingen, te laten functioneren. Verder zal men zijn investeringen gaan doen in een 6e generatie vliegtuig. Bij de extra bestelde super Hornets zegt de US Airforce al, dat deze t.z.t vervangen worden door dat nieuwe vliegtuig en niet door de F-35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/02/2016 | 16:34 uur
Citaat van: doncadena op 17/02/2016 | 16:12 uur
Verder zal men zijn investeringen gaan doen in een 6e generatie vliegtuig. Bij de extra bestelde super Hornets zegt de US Airforce al, dat deze t.z.t vervangen worden door dat nieuwe vliegtuig en niet door de F-35.

Die overtuiging deel ik en heeft derhalve direct gevolgen voor het aantal F35, met name voor de A en C variant. Voor het gemak kijk ik ook nog naar kisten als de F15C/D/E en de F16C (van af block 40) waarvan zeker 300 een end life update gaan ondergaan waardoor ze tot de jaren dertig operationeel mee kunnen. Laat dat ongeveer parallel lopen met de (nu nog) wensen van de USAF en USN voor een opvolgende generatie.

Dan de A10,  deze blijft gehandhaafd tot zeker 2022/23 en er wordt nu al voorzichtig gesproken over een waardige opvolger, aantallen die afgaan van de F35 familie.

Tot slot, de winnaar van de T-X competitie zou ook meer worden ingezet voor home guard activiteiten, iets wat vermoedelijk ook ten koste zal gaan van een aantal F35A's.

Mocht de F35 deal klappen of in dermate dramatische aantallen worden terug gebracht zoals destijds de F111, dan zou mijn voorstel voor de KLu zijn: nu 48-60 F18E/F/G? (kopen/leasen) en deze in de jaren dertig inruilen voor de F/X of FA/XX.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/02/2016 | 17:00 uur
Citaat van: doncadena op 17/02/2016 | 16:12 uur
Bij de extra bestelde super Hornets zegt de US Airforce al, dat deze t.z.t vervangen worden door dat nieuwe vliegtuig en niet door de F-35.

Bedoel je niet de U.S. Navy? Alleen zij gebruiken de F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/02/2016 | 16:34 uur
Tot slot, de winnaar van de T-X competitie zou ook meer worden ingezet voor home guard activiteiten, iets wat vermoedelijk ook ten koste zal gaan van een aantal F35A's.
Het moet nog maar blijken nog maar blijken of het T-X ontwerp ook bij gevechtssquadrons terecht zal komen. Het merendeel zal toch voor de vliegopleiding worden gebruikt.

Air National Guard squadrons worden vaak internationaal ingezet. Zitten zij wel op een toestel met beperkte mogelijkheden te wachten?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/02/2016 | 17:05 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 17/02/2016 | 17:00 uur

Air National Guard squadrons worden vaak internationaal ingezet. Zitten zij wel op een toestel met beperkte mogelijkheden te wachten?

Er wordt geschreven dat de T-X ook voor "red-air" CAS en QRA ingezet zou moeten kunnen worden, waarbij de stuurhut gelijk is of veel overeenkomsten vertoont met de F35.

Als... dan... zou het duo F35/T-X prima complementair ingezet kunnen worden in een high end - low end mix en voorzie ik een aanzienlijk groter aantal dan de genoemde 350 exemplaren. (ook een optie voor de KLu om de kwantiteit op te krikken lijkt mij)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 18/02/2016 | 12:07 uur
De Gripen E (prototype 39-8) zal 18 mei worden onthuld.

CitaatTime to unveil the next generation fighter. On May 18 we are bringing the first of the next generation Gripen aircraft to stage at our aeronautical HQ in Linköping, Sweden. It's a key milestone in the evolution of the ‪#‎smartfighter‬. Stay tuned to find out how you can take part.



Citaat"The interest in Gripen is greater than ever," says Saab CEO Hakan Buskhe. A news report in SVD quotes Buskhe saying that Saab is currently in talks with a handful of countries that are interested in Gripen E and F variants.

As per Buskhe, Saab is hopeful about selling Gripen to India and it can agree to develop the new generation aircraft in the country which is in sync with Indian Government's Make in India Initiative.

"We could, with true ToT (Transfer of Technology), provide Indian Air Force with an Indian-built combat aircraft of the future, with technology of Gripen E," said Buskhe in an interview with Mint, an Indian Daily.

Besides Gripen, Saab, in partnership with Boeing, is also working on the development of a new training aircraft for the US Air Force. It's an expensive project with over 500 people working on the development, the report says.

https://www.facebook.com/saabtechnologies/photos/a.216221308418577.55069.206280006079374/1136506816390017/?type=3&theater
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/02/2016 | 19:19 uur
Harjit Sajjan backs away from election promise on F-35 jets

http://globalnews.ca/news/2525385/harjit-sajjan-backs-away-from-election-promise-on-f-35-jets/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/02/2016 | 20:52 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/02/2016 | 19:19 uur
Harjit Sajjan backs away from election promise on F-35 jets

http://globalnews.ca/news/2525385/harjit-sajjan-backs-away-from-election-promise-on-f-35-jets/

Dit gaat van niet naar misschien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 18/02/2016 | 21:54 uur
China military able to detect U.S. F-22 stealth fighter jets, military expert says
By Yuan Can (People's Daily Online)    14:04, February 18, 2016


A U.S. F-22 stealth fighter jet (File photo)
The Chinese military is able to detect U.S. F-22 stealth fighter jets, according to a Chinese military expert in an interview for a CCTV program.
Several fighters from East China Sea Fleet patrolled around the Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) over the East China Sea after receiving orders that unidentified tracking occurred near the ADIZ on the morning of Feb. 10, according to a report on PLA Daily on Feb. 11.
The report said that helicopters from a carrier-based helicopter brigade along with the carrier patrolled around the area and missiles were set on fighters on duty at nearby military airports which were prepared to take off for combat. However the report did not disclose which country the objects belong to or other relevant information.
Some Western media guessed that the unidentified objects might be the U.S. F-22 stealth fighter jets. Chinese military expert Yin Zhuo told Asia Today that if the unidentified objects appearing near ADIZ over the East China Sea turned out to be F-22 from the U.S., it would be a good opportunity for China's military to practice its ability to find, identify and intercept stealth fighters.
Does China's military have the ability to find and identify stealth fighters? Military experts said that new type of Chinese Phased Array Radar is able to fulfill this task. Yin also said that F-22 is not totally stealth and meter-wave radar could detect the fighter. Radars arranged towards the East China Sea are able to find the F-22 stealth fighter jets, according to Yin. Besides, airborne early warning and control aircraft like KJ-2000 and KJ-500 are also equipped with the ability to detect stealth fighter jets.
(For the latest China news, Please follow People's Daily on Twitter and Facebook)(Editor:Yuan Can,Bianji)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 19/02/2016 | 15:33 uur
A Visit to the Griffin's Nest – The Pilot

Interessant artikel over de Gripen en interview met vliegers op de thuisbasis. Ook wordt er gesproken over de methode die gebruikt wordt om de toestellen zo up-to-date mogelijk te houden.

https://corporalfrisk.wordpress.com/2016/02/16/a-visit-to-the-griffins-nest-the-pilot/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 19/02/2016 | 17:34 uur
Lockheed Backs Low-Risk Approach To T-X

Experience developing the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter influenced Lockheed Martin's decision to reject a clean-sheet design and stay with the Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) T-50 for the U.S. Air Force's T-X trainer competition.

The F-35's advanced cockpit and performance, and lack of a two-seat variant, is a driver behind the Air Force's need to replace its elderly Northrop T-38s with a more suitable trainer. But the overlap between development and production built into the F-35 program is a major source of its technical challenges, cost escalation and schedule delays, which Lockheed wants to avoid on T-X.

A modernized T-50 is preferred because a clean-sheet T-X could not meet the Air Force's 2024 initial operational capability (IOC) date without "significant and unacceptable" concurrency between development and production, says Rob Weiss, executive vice president and general manager of Lockheed's Advanced Development Programs, or Skunk Works.

Both Boeing and Northrop Grumman are proposing clean-sheet trainers, while Raytheon is expected to announce on Feb. 22 that it will lead Finmeccanica's offer of a version of its in-production M-346, replacing General Dynamics, which withdrew as prime in May 2015. Northrop originally planned to offer BAE Systems' Hawk, but made the opposite decision to Lockheed, dropping the existing trainer for a clean-sheet design.

The upgraded T-50A would be built at the company's plant in Greenville, South Carolina, where a "warm" final-assembly line will be in place by the end of the year. Two production-standard T-50As will be flown to Greenville by year-end and will be available for flight evaluation by the Air Force, he says, adding that Lockheed could deliver aircraft in 2017 if T-X was accelerated.

The decision to stick with the supersonic T-50 came after Lockheed evaluated both subsonic and supersonic clean-sheet designs produced by the Skunk Works. Development of a clean-sheet design was "up to eight times more expensive" than for the modernized T-50, Weiss says.  Lockheed has internally funded the upgrade, and the first modified aircraft was rolled out by KAI in December and is set to fly this summer.

New subsonic and supersonic trainers were designed by the Skunk Works with enough definition to make conclusions on cost and schedules, Weiss says. Low development cost was one reason for choosing the T-50A. Another was that "a clean sheet is incompatible with the schedule to hit IOC in 2024," he says. Boeing disagrees, saying: "Thanks to the transparency provided by the U.S. Air Force in developing requirements, we are able to offer an all-new, purpose-built design that supports the customer schedule."

Weiss says the Air Force accelerated T-X because it saw a budget window before the mid-2020s, when most of its procurement dollars will be committed to F-35s, KC-46 tankers and Long-Range Strike Bombers. The IOC has already slid from 2023 "and cannot afford to slip further," he says, as the T-38 is out of life by 2030 without another expensive life extension.

Development cost for the T-50A "fits well within the allocated budget, and could give back money," Weiss says. The Air Force has budgeted $1.62 billion for its Advanced Pilot Training program, including $1.37 billion for T-X. The first three aircraft are to be purchased in fiscal 2018, and two more in 2019. "From our point of view, that is more money than they need to do the program. And we can give them a two-year schedule margin with T-50," he says.

The T-50A is a block upgrade to the South Korean supersonic trainer, introducing inflight refueling, large-area cockpit display, embedded training and an open systems architecture enabling the Air Force to perform organic sustainment and upgrading of the aircraft without being forced to go back to the manufacturer. Changes include a removable dorsal fairing housing the boom-refueling receptacle.

The F-35's single large touchscreen cockpit display, the first in a fighter, is mimicked in the T-50A, but rather than an F-35-style helmet-mounted display, the trainer has a head-up display (HUD) and upfront control panel, as used in other Air Force fighters. CMC Electronics is supplying the large-area display and associated low-profile HUD for the first two aircraft.

With experience building the simulators for the F-35, Lockheed's Mission Systems and Training division has been tapped to develop the ground-based training system for the T-50A. Elements of the proposed training-device suite will be in place at Greenville by year-end.

Another reason for picking the T-50A over a clean-sheet trainer was to minimize risk. "There will always be unknowns in development that add cost and time," Weiss says. Lockheed's bids for the F-22 and F-35 were each judged low risk compared with the competitors', but development proved otherwise.

Finally, "the clean-sheet did not do anything more than the T-50 already does. It was a sweet aircraft and could do everything the Air Force is looking for, but it did not add any capability." The upgraded T-50 will not benefit from advances in manufacturing possible with a clean-sheet design, but the unit-cost savings would be offset by the higher development cost, Weiss argues.

http://aviationweek.com/defense/lockheed-backs-low-risk-approach-t-x
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/02/2016 | 18:16 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 19/02/2016 | 17:34 uur
Lockheed Backs Low-Risk Approach To T-X


Nog ongezien: ik blijf gokken op winst voor het clean sheet ontwerp van Boeing-Saab... maar als in alles, time will tell.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 19/02/2016 | 19:39 uur
Het lijkt een slimme zet van LM, niet alleen is een clean sheet design onnodig, door de manier waarop ze het hebben afgewezen is eigenlijk een openlijke aanval op Boeing. De twijfel is in ieder geval gezaaid.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/02/2016 | 19:58 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 19/02/2016 | 19:39 uur
Het lijkt een slimme zet van LM, niet alleen is een clean sheet design onnodig, door de manier waarop ze het hebben afgewezen is eigenlijk een openlijke aanval op Boeing. De twijfel is in ieder geval gezaaid.

Of de erkenning dat hun clean sheet het niet zou gaan redden....

Naast eisen en kwaliteiten heb je ook nog (industrie) politiek:

LM = F35
Northrop Grumman = LRS-B
Boeing[Saab = mijn inschatting T-X

Als is het wachten op de onthulling van de Boeing-Saab T-X.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/02/2016 | 20:04 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/02/2016 | 19:58 uur
Of de erkenning dat hun clean sheet het niet zou gaan redden....

Naast eisen en kwaliteiten heb je ook nog (industrie) politiek:

LM = F35
Northrop Grumman = LRS-B
Boeing[Saab = mijn inschatting T-X

Als is het wachten op de onthulling van de Boeing-Saab T-X.

Komende maandag zal Raytheon officieel melden dat zij met Alenia Aermacchi gaan samenwerken wat betreft de T-100/M-346 (zie ook Antwoord #292).

Kijken hoe ver zij zullen komen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/02/2016 | 20:06 uur
RAAF instructors say Joint Strike Fighter is the real deal

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/raaf-instructors-say-joint-strike-fighter-is-the-real-deal/news-story/7677de9538b67d514f50ed659384e75f
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 19/02/2016 | 20:18 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/02/2016 | 19:58 uur
Of de erkenning dat hun clean sheet het niet zou gaan redden....

Naast eisen en kwaliteiten heb je ook nog (industrie) politiek:

LM = F35
Northrop Grumman = LRS-B
Boeing[Saab = mijn inschatting T-X

Als is het wachten op de onthulling van de Boeing-Saab T-X.

Boeing heeft de P8, F18, v22 én kdc-x. Die zitten echt niet zonder werk.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/02/2016 | 20:20 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 19/02/2016 | 20:18 uur
Boeing heeft de P8, F18, v22 én kdc-x. Die zitten echt niet zonder werk.

Boeing heeft in de jaren twintig na verwachting geen fighter meer.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 19/02/2016 | 20:24 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/02/2016 | 20:20 uur
Boeing heeft in de jaren twintig na verwachting geen fighter meer.

NG ook niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/02/2016 | 20:24 uur
Pentagon chief says Lockheed's F-35 now on track for success

Highlights
Defense Secretary Ash Carter says F-35 now has "very solid" reputation

Cost per plane expected to decline as production ramps up

Program obstacles include software issues, combat testing

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/news/business/article61302387.html#storylink=cpy
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/02/2016 | 20:28 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 19/02/2016 | 20:24 uur
NG ook niet.

Die hebben ze sinds de F14A/D en de YF23A al niet meer.

Ik kan me niet voorstellen dat de VS al haar gevechtsvliegtuigen en voor het gemak rekening ik de aanstaande trainer hier ook onder bij een en dezelfde fabrikant (LM) wil gaan onderbrengen (en ook geen licentiebak)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/02/2016 | 20:33 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 19/02/2016 | 20:18 uur
Boeing heeft de P8, F18, v22 én kdc-x. Die zitten echt niet zonder werk.

Er is een reden waarom er zoveel ophef is over het opdrogen van de F18 en F15 productielijnen, zonder significante export orders en additionele USN orders...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/02/2016 | 20:40 uur
Military Eyes Sixth-Generation Fighter 

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2016/March/Pages/MilitaryEyesSixthGenerationFighter.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/02/2016 | 20:42 uur
USAF studies EW options for next-generation combat aircraft | IHS Jane's 360

http://www.janes.com/article/58154/usaf-studies-ew-options-for-next-generation-combat-aircraft#.Vsdv8pPfYxA.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/02/2016 | 10:14 uur
US commander defends Joint Strike Fighter F-35A ahead of Senate inquiry

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-21/us-commander-defends-joint-strike-fighter-f-35a/7187616

US Lieutenant General Chris Bogdan in Darwin for F-35 information session ahead of Senate inquiry

http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/northern-territory/us-lieutenant-general-chris-bogdan-in-darwin-for-f35-information-session-ahead-of-senate-inquiry/news-story/3f4a3a16d8b95beabb66cc1d739dcfb1
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 21/02/2016 | 21:20 uur
Is z'n werk ook natuurlijk, Uiteindelijk zijn er ook weinig risico's in Australië.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/02/2016 | 22:29 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 21/02/2016 | 21:20 uur
Is z'n werk ook natuurlijk, Uiteindelijk zijn er ook weinig risico's in Australië.

Uit de opmerking zou je kunnen destilleren dat jij het beter weet....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 21/02/2016 | 22:30 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/02/2016 | 22:29 uur
Uit de opmerking zou je kunnen destilleren dat jij het beter weet....

In welk opzicht?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/02/2016 | 22:32 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 21/02/2016 | 22:30 uur
In welk opzicht?

Het wekt de indruk dat jij hem plaatst in de context: "wij van WC eend", maar wellicht vergis ik me.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 21/02/2016 | 22:39 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/02/2016 | 22:32 uur
Het wekt de indruk dat jij hem plaatst in de context: "wij van WC eend", maar wellicht vergis ik me.

Stel, for the sake of argument, dat Bogdan geen enkel vertrouwen in de F35 heeft. Hoe groot acht jij de kans dat hij die bedenkingen nu gaat delen met de Aussies? Dat hij ze zal adviseren om verder te kijken naar een fatsoenlijk toestel? Ik schat ongeveer nabij 0, en als hij het zou doen kan hij morgen van zijn vrije tijd gaan genieten.

Of denk je dat hij vrijuit zijn mening kan geven?

Daarbij is Straya m.i. de meest gecommitteerde partner in het project, echt veel te vrezen heeft de VS er niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/02/2016 | 22:48 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 21/02/2016 | 22:39 uur
Stel, for the sake of argument, dat Bogdan geen enkel vertrouwen in de F35 heeft. Hoe groot acht jij de kans dat hij die bedenkingen nu gaat delen met de Aussies? Dat hij ze zal adviseren om verder te kijken naar een fatsoenlijk toestel? Ik schat ongeveer nabij 0, en als hij het zou doen kan hij morgen van zijn vrije tijd gaan genieten.

Of denk je dat hij vrijuit zijn mening kan geven?

Daarbij is Straya m.i. de meest gecommitteerde partner in het project, echt veel te vrezen heeft de VS er niet.

Hij is natuurlijk klant en geen producent, maar je hebt zeker een punt.

Als hij verkondigt geen geloof meer te hebben in het project dan is hij zeker van een herplaatsing of naar alle vrijheid dan wel Alaska.

Maar misschien heeft hij ook wel een punt, net zo belangrijk voor Down Under als voor ons.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/02/2016 | 19:39 uur
A Watershed Year for Russia's Sukhoi Combat Aircraft On the Global Arms Market

(Source: TASS-Defense; published February 20, 2016)

MOSCOW --- The current year seems to be a watershed one for Russia's Sukhoi fighters and bombers at the global arms market. As a high-ranking military-diplomatic source told at the Singapore Airshow 2016, a number of countries had already revealed their keen interest to Russian fixed-wing aircraft.

Russia may deliver Su-35S (NATO reporting name: Flanker-E+) fighters to China in late 2016, he said.

"Deliveries of Su-35S to China are likely to begin in late 2016 - early 2017. Su-35S is a sophisticated aircraft," he said adding, that export modification of the fighter will be supplied.

"Chinese adjustments were jointly designed, something was done by us and something by China. Adjustments were introduced to aircraft displays, in particular," the source said.

It was reported in November 2015 that Moscow and Beijing had agreed on supplies of 24 fighters, as well as ground equipment and spare engines. The deal was valued at not less than $2 billion. China has become the first international buyer of Russian Su-35S which are currently supplied to the Russian Air Force.

India may buy in Russia additional 40 Su-30MKI (NATO reporting name: Flanker-H) multipurpose fighter sets for local assembly, the source said.

"Indian Air Force faces a number of problems. The purchase of French Rafale fighters is in doubt and no serial production has been launched for Indian aircraft designs," he pointed out.

"The equipment of the national Air Force with new combat aircraft is vital, and the purchase of another 40 Su-30MKI fighter sets for local assembly will help India," the source said.

If agreement is reached the additional Su-30MKI sets delivery terms will be agreed in an appendix to the main contract.

India has ordered 272 Russian Su-30MKI fighters in total. The first contract for the purchase of 230 aircraft in Russia and their licensed production in India by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited Corporation (HAL) was signed in the middle of the '90s. In December 2012, HAL signed another contract worth USD1,66 billion for additional 42 locally assembled Su-30MKI.

India assembles the fighters according to the license obtained by HAL. Since 2007, Russia has delivered 50 aircraft in flyaway condition. Then India has assembled 134 licensed fighters. The national Air Force plans to deploy 14 Su-30MKI squadrons by 2018. Therefore, at least 272 fighters should be delivered by this time.

A contract with Algeria for Su-34 (NATO reporting name: Fullback) front-line bombers delivery may be signed in 2016, according to the source.

"The related talks are ongoing and they have reached an advanced stage. The contract has yet to be signed. They have been willing to get Su-34s for a long period of time. Previously, the aircraft did not have the export certificate. Now the appropriate documents have been obtained. I believe the contract will be signed in mid-2016 or definitely by the end of the year," he said.

"There is a mutual interest in the deal. Everything will be done this year," the source said.

Previously, a source in the United Aircraft Corporation said the talks on the sale to Algeria of 12 Su-32 front-line bombers (Su-34`s export designation) have considerably advanced. In total, the North African country may acquire up to 40 aircraft of such type.

"Talks with Indonesia are at advanced stage. There is a small technical issue. I believe it will be resolved by May and the contract for the delivery of Su-35S to Indonesia will be signed," he said.

"The contract for the delivery [of Su-35 fighter jets] is likely to be signed at the Russia-ASEAN summit in Sochi (19-20 May 2015). The summit will be a momentous event," the source said, without specifying the exact number of Su-35 fighter jets Russia would deliver to Indonesia.

Indonesian news agency Antara reported that the national defense ministry had chosen Su-35S fighters to replace obsolete F-5E/F Tiger II. The contract may be for 16 Su-35S.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/171485/russia-plans-four-sukhoi-sales-in-2016.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/02/2016 | 09:22 uur
Raytheon offers American-made T-100 for T-X

By James Drew, Washington DC | 22 February 2016

Raytheon has officially jumped into the US Air Force's T-X race, offering the Italian Finmeccanica-Alenia Aermacchi M-346-based T-100 with twin Honeywell F124 turbofan engines and training support from CAE.

At an announcement in Washington DC on 22 February, the world's third-largest military contractor confirmed that air force pilots have already trialled the "Master" in Italy to verify that the current design meets stringent, high-g performance criteria associated with T-X.

Once allied with General Dynamics, the T-100 will now compete against the Lockheed Martin/Korea Aerospace Industries T-50A and clean-sheet alternatives proposed by Boeing/Saab and Northrop Grumman/BAS Systems for US Air Education and Training Command's procurement of 350 high-performance training jets to replace the 48-year-old Northrop T-38 Talon.

Once outfitted with wide-screen avionics displays and a boom refuelling mechanism, company officials expect the T-100 to meet all of the air force's requirements, but with less cost and schedule risk than the completely new designs pursued by Boeing and Northrop.

Those officials also stressed that a large portion of the aircraft will be made in America, reflective some anxiety about the M-346's Italian origin.

"Our offering will be built, tested and fielded in the United States," says Roy Azevedo, VP of Raytheon's airborne systems division.

Azevedo says his team will deliver a complete package that includes the aircraft, ground-based training system and courseware, and it will blend live, virtual and constructive (LVC) elements into a single, high-end training environment.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=65949)
James Drew/Flight International

Raytheon is also confident of meeting and even exceeding the air force's tentative initial operational capability date of 2024.

"The aircraft is already supporting training today," says Jim Hvizd, vice-president of business development for Raytheon Space and Airborne Systems. "We absolutely believe we can bring a very low-development programme to bear."

Unlike the single-engine T-50A proposed by Lockheed, Raytheon is offering a twin-engine aircraft powered by Honeywell's F124, with each engine enabled by dual-channel, redundant full authority digital engine control (FADEC) for safer flying.

Peter Costello, Honeywell's senior director of international business development, says the engine is currently built in Taiwan but has also been assembled for Israel's M-346 training fleet in Phoenix, Arizona. That site will be reactivated should Raytheon win T-X.

"We just delivered the last Israeli engines a few months ago, so we'll just turn the lights back on," says Costello.

Honeywell/International Turbine Engine Company (ITEC) F124s and the afterburner derivative, known as the F125, power the M-346, Czech Aero L-159 Alca and Taiwanese F-CK-1 Ching-kuo.

Alenia Aermacchi chief executive Filippo Bagnato says the T-100 is not a prototype and enters the race as a mature alternative to the T-50A and clean-sheet designs, and it is already supporting the training needs of fourth- and fifth-generation fighter jet pilots.

Bagnato says the M-346 strikes the right balance between the needs of pilots preparing to fly the highly manoeuvrable Eurofighter Typhoon and the more sophisticated Lockheed F-35.

There are currently three possible cockpit configurations under consideration including an evolutionary approach from the current design to a completely new avionics display. The T-50A, by comparison, will have a cockpit based on the F-35 Lightning II.

For refuelling, there are three potential options for centreline boom refuelling from the USAF-operated KC-135, KC-10 and future KC-46A.

Bagnato says this would likely be delivered as an adaptor or modification kit since the current set of requirements don't call for refuelling capabilities as a baseline standard.

Raytheon will announce a location where the aircraft will be built after a "rigorous" study, but well before the request for proposals (RFP) is issued later this year.

"We want to have those decisions made well before we have to make a final proposal so the government has a time-certain, cost-certain and performance-certain solution," says Hvizd.

The air force has earmarked $1.6 billion for T-X research and development with $932 million allocated between fiscal years 2017-2021. The total programme is worth upwards of $9 billion.

When accounting for the Phoenix-built engine and excluding the proposed large area display, Bagnato says the M-346 already contains approximately 50% American content. "Before beginning to work with Raytheon, the American content of the M346 is not far from 50%," he says.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=65950)
James Drew/Flight International

CAE says its T-X operations will be run through its American division in Tampa, Florida. CAE group president Gene Colabatistto says the company is now well positioned for T-X, having joining Raytheon.

Colabatistto pointed to Raytheon's experience with the T-1 Jayhawk and USAF Joint Primary Aircraft Training System (JPATS) programme, which resulted in the T-6 Texan II.

"We really couldn't be happier where we ended up," he says. "I think the platform itself is very, very competitive, as we did several years ago before people started talking about clean-sheet designs."

The air force will compete its T-X requirement through 2017 before downselecting a single supplier, and a spokesman says both the clean-sheet proposals and those based on existing designs will be fairly assessed.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/raytheon-offers-american-made-t-100-for-t-x-422269/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 23/02/2016 | 09:31 uur
Nou als de halve wereld aan de Su-35 en Su-30 gaat dan kunnen we wel ophouden met onze 30 F-35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 23/02/2016 | 14:39 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 23/02/2016 | 09:31 uur
Nou als de halve wereld aan de Su-35 en Su-30 gaat dan kunnen we wel ophouden met onze 30 F-35.
Ik heb ook helemaal geen goed gevoel over die F-35...kwa kosten en kwa prestaties is het niet veel
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 23/02/2016 | 16:55 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 23/02/2016 | 14:39 uur
Ik heb ook helemaal geen goed gevoel over die F-35...kwa kosten en kwa prestaties is het niet veel

Vliegtuig zal uiteindelijk prima zijn.. aantal niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/02/2016 | 17:03 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 23/02/2016 | 16:55 uur
Vliegtuig zal uiteindelijk prima zijn.. aantal niet.

Dat denk ik ook waarbij ik nog steeds uit ga van een hoger aantal in het volgende decennia.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 24/02/2016 | 14:37 uur
Liberals Face Dilemma Over F-35 Fighter Jets

(Source: The Chronicle Herald; published February 23, 2016)


On a hot September Day Justin Trudeau — a month before he would win the election — stood up in front of a crowd of about 800 at Pier 21 in Halifax and promised that a Liberal government would scrap the controversial purchase of 65 F-35 fighter jets.

The "tens of billions" of dollars saved by opting to replace Canada's aging CF-18s with a more affordable option would go to expand and fast-track spending for the Royal Canadian Navy and guarantee the timely fulfillment of the $39-billion national shipbuilding project.

Then last week, speaking at an Ottawa conference, Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan told an audience of experts and industry representatives that the government would not exclude Lockheed Martin's F-35s from the competition for a new aircraft, but instead would hold an open and transparent process that would focus on obtaining the right aircraft for Canada. It wasn't the first time he's hinted at the possibility of leaving the door open for the F-35s, but it was the first time he's said so point-blank.

Ensuing media coverage framed the statement as a backtrack of the Liberals' campaign promise, but according to one procurement expert, excluding the F-35 was never an option to begin with.

Alan Williams was the Defence Department's assistant deputy minister of materiel in 2002 and signed the initial agreement on behalf of Canada to enter into the joint strike fighter program with the Unites States, eight years before the Conservative decision to purchase the planes. Williams has written extensively on the issues with the Conservatives' sole-source decision to purchase the jets.

But despite their huge price and capabilities many argue are unnecessary, Williams told The Chronicle Herald that the Liberals have little choice but to include the F-35s in the competition.

"When Trudeau made his comments during the campaign they were nonsensical," he said. "You can't on the one hand say you're going to have an open and fair competition and say it's going to exclude company A or company B. You can't prevent anyone from bidding."

Williams said a trade agreement requires the government to run a competition, unless it can argue that the legislation isn't applicable and a sole-source contract is required. Prejudging the outcome of the competition by explicitly excluding the F-35 would violate this agreement.

What Williams said the government can do is write requirements that put far less importance on the features the F-35 boasts — such as stealth capabilities — and higher value on what it doesn't.

"Unlike the old requirements that basically ensure that only the F-35 can compete you could say the primary responsibility is ensure proper control over over Canada and its borders and defence of North America, in which case other requirements become much more valuable than the stealth feature," Williams said. "Then if you decide in an evaluation to put more weight on price, the likelihood of an F-35 winning becomes dramatically reduced." (end of excerpt)

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/171566/canadian-government-faces-f_35-dilemma.html

orginele artikel :
http://m.thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/1343988-liberals-face-dilemma-over-f-35-fighter-jets
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/02/2016 | 08:57 uur
Switzerland restarts quest for new fighter jet
(ik ben zeer benieuwd naar de uitkomst, wel opmerkelijk de tijdslijn en invoering (2025) van de F-5 vervanger. Volgens mij zal dit vervangingstraject in de komende jaren gecombineerd worden met het vervangingstraject van de F-18, zou een logische vervolg zijn.)   

Swizterland is restarting its quest for a new fighter jet for its air force after a botched attempt two years ago to purchase 22 Saab Gripens. New aircraft are still needed to replace ageing F-5 Tigers, defense minister Guy Parmelin told Swiss government on Wednesday 24 February.

This year the Swiss start setting up requirements for the new fighter plus a set of plans for the selection process and eventual purchase. The selection is set to last until 2020, with a formal decision and order no later than 2022. Deliveries should start by 2025, according to Parmelin.

'No' to Gripen E

Prior to 2011, the Saab Gripen E, Dassault Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon were evaluated in Switzerland. Although not showing itself as the best option in all aspects plus allegations of bribery, the Gripen came out on top. The Swiss government decided to buy 22 Gripens, but opponents managed to get enough support for a referendum in which voters eventually said 'no' to Gripens.

The F-5 Tiger needs replacement, especially since cracks grounded parts of the fleet recently. As of now, 30 out of 54 Tigers are operational. The type was set for retirement this year but may very well fly on for some time.

In 2025, the 31 current F-18 Hornets reach the end of their service life. Extending their service for five years will cost tax payers half a billion Swiss francs (410 million EUR).

http://airheadsfly.com/2016/02/24/switzerland-restarts-quest-for-new-fighter-jet/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/02/2016 | 13:14 uur
Future Uncertain for Textron AirLand T-X Bid

Barring a change in requirements, Textron AirLand will not put forth its Scorpion design for the Air Force's T-X trainer competition, according to a top company executive.

Bill Anderson, president of Textron AirLand, also said in a Feb. 22 interview that developing a brand new, clean-sheet design for the T-X requirements as they exist would be cost-prohibitive for the company.

However, Anderson stressed that the Air Force's requirements for the program are not firm. Until a final set of requirements are in place, Textron will not make a final decision on whether to commit to the program, he said.

"As the requirements exist today, we believe it would take a new design, [and] we would only commit to a cost-effective type aircraft," Anderson said. "I wouldn't want to go all the way to say all of our options are done, so I would just say the requirements as they exist today, Scorpion can't meet it, a derivative of the Scorpion can't meet it, it would be, in our estimation, a very expensive clean-sheet design which we are not willing [to do]."

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voor het gehele artikel, zie onderstaande LINK
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2016/02/24/textron-airland-t-x-trainer-air-force/80821836/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 26/02/2016 | 16:24 uur
Switzerland prepares for next attempt at fighter replacement

A second effort is about to begin that will pave the way for Switzerland to acquire a new fighter, following the rejection of a planned Saab Gripen purchase after a referendum in 2014.
The Swiss public rejected the government's proposed buy of 22 Gripens to replace the nation's Northrop F-5s two years ago, but defence minister Guy Parmelin announced on 24 February a preparatory period is due to begin that will kick off the fighter acquisition again.

The government says, following the launch of preparation work by the federal department of defence in "spring 2016", a study into the acquisition of a new fighter will be submitted to parliament in 2017.

Parmelin will form a group of experts to produce a report outlining the needs of the armed forces and the future of the Boeing F/A-18C/D and F-5 fleets. The group will be led by the chief of staff of the army and supervised by the chief of the army and the chief of armament.

The government says while the earlier deal for the Gripen E was rejected, the need to replace its F-5s remains, and the delay in acquisition has added the extra concern of what will happen when Bern's 31-strong F/A-18 fleet needs replacing.

"[The F/A-18], although technically up to scratch, is inevitably nearing the end of its expected useful life, in 2025," the government says. "If this deadline should be extended five years, an estimated Swfr500 million [$504 million] should be invested."

The government says, in line with current planning, the type selection of a new aircraft will be in 2020, with deliveries beginning in 2025.

Flightglobal's Fleets Analyzer database shows the Swiss air force's F/A-18 fleet to be between 16 and 18 years old, while the F-5 fleet is 37 years old.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/switzerland-prepares-for-next-attempt-at-fighter-rep-422411/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/02/2016 | 09:20 uur
Israel's Angst Over Qatar Sale Could End Boeing's F-15 Line

By Barbara Opall-Rome and Awad Mustafa, Defense News | February 28, 2016

TEL AVIV and DUBAI — Israel's opposition to Qatar buying F-15SE Silent Eagles could mark the end of Boeing's venerable F-15 production line in Missouri unless Washington acts against its closest regional ally's wishes or agrees to billions in more aid, allowing Israel to place its own new orders.

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Zie onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/air-force/2016/02/28/israels-angst-over-qatar-sale-could-end-boeings-f-15-line/80895346/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/03/2016 | 09:16 uur
[UPDATE]: Norwegian pilot counters leaked F-35 dogfight report

By Stephen Trimble, Phoenix | 01 March 2016

A Norwegian fighter pilot has published a soft rebuttal to a damaging critique leaked last summer about the Lockheed Martin F-35A's dogfighting prowess, contradicting many of the critical points made in the scathing review written by another test pilot.

Royal Norwegian Air Force Maj Morten "Dolby" Hanche, a US Navy test pilot school graduate with 2,200 flight hours in Lockheed F-16s, has flown several mock dogfights from Luke AFB in Arizona since becoming the nation's first F-35 pilot last November. These have yet to advance to performing "dissimilar" training against other aircraft types.

In a blog post on Norway's Ministry of Defence website, Hanche never directly mentions the leaked report; entitled "F-35A High Angle of Attack Operational Maneuvers", dated 14 January 2015, and exposed last June by blogger David Axe on WarIsBoring.com.

But it is clear that Hanche's review seeks to shoot down the anonymous pilot's many complaints about the F-35, which have been cited by Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, who has vowed on the campaign trail to cancel the Joint Strike Fighter programme.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=66075)
Maj Morten "Dolby" Hanche after first F-35 flight last November. Photo: Norway MoD

That year-old leaked report described in detail a single flight on 15 January 2015 in which a test pilot – a veteran of Boeing F-15 and F-16 cockpits – ridicules the F-35A as dangerously lacking power after high angle of attack manoeuvres, putting the aircraft at a "distinct disadvantage" in mock dogfights with an F-16 Block 40 loaded with two external fuel tanks.

By contrast, Hanche writes on the MoD's official blog that he is "impressed by how quickly the F-35 accelerates when I reduce the [angle of attack]", suggesting the aircraft instead rapidly regains energy after "breaking" to a near stop with its nose pointed up to 40˚ high in mid-air.

Hanche also writes that the F-35 can tilt its nose upward under control beyond the ability of the F-16. Even at these extreme angles, the pilot can still "point" the nose easily by simply tapping the rudder pedals, Hanche says, adding that he is "impressed with the stability and predictability of the airplane".

That again puts Hanche's review at odds with the leaked test report. The previous test pilot complained that the controls of his particular F-35A – the AF-2 prototype – felt, by turns, sluggish, counter-intuitive and non-responsive in twisting maneouvres with the F-16 Block 40.

In one area, Hanche and the criticaltest report share similar concerns about the F-35's cockpit visibility, but come to different conclusions about the scale of the problem.

Both pilots agreed that the head rest makes it harder to look for targets behind the aircraft. But the Norwegian pilot suggests that the other test pilot over-stated the problem after a single flight experience. By learning to tilt forward in his seat before looking behind, Hanche makes the point that he found a way to mitigate the visibility problem through trial and error after a few flights.

Hanche also makes another point that may seem surprising nearly a decade after the first F-35A prototype completed first flight. Due to several programme delays, the US Air Force is still learning how to use the F-35A in combat. Initial operational capability for the variant is scheduled later this year.

"The final 'textbook' for how to best employ the F-35 in visual combat – basic fighter maneouvres – has not been written yet," Hanche says. "It is literally being written by my neighbour down here in Arizona!"

CORRECTION: The original story is updated to reflect that the author of the critical test report was not a Lockheed Martin pilot.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/norwergian-pilot-counters-leaked-f-35-dogfight-repor-422552/

Edit. Zie voor extra info ook onderstaande link (Noors en Engelstalig):

http://nettsteder.regjeringen.no/kampfly/2016/03/01/f-35-i-naerkamp-hva-har-jeg-laert-sa-langt-the-f-35-in-a-dogfight-what-have-i-learned-so-far/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 01/03/2016 | 15:30 uur
Rheinmetall Wins Order to Arm Gripen NG with Mauser Cannon

Flying Firepower: Rheinmetall to Equip Gripen Fighter Aircraft for Brazil and Sweden with Automatic Cannon
(Source: Rheinmetall; issued Mar 01, 2016)

On behalf of Swedish defence contractor Saab AB, Rheinmetall will be equipping a total of 88 Gripen NG ('Next Generation') fighter aircraft with the BK27 automatic cannon with a newly developed linkless ammunition feeding system. The order is worth a mid eight-figure euro amount.

Brazil and Sweden – one new customer and one longstanding one – will soon have at their disposal Gripen NGs armed with the globally acclaimed Mauser 27mm revolver cannon from Rheinmetall Oberndorf.

Delivery will take place during the 2017-2025 timeframe, and includes service support and spare parts. Rheinmetall also offers the accompanying ammunition for the weapon system.

Just awarded, the contract highlights once again the longstanding and successful cooperation between Rheinmetall and Saab. With the Gripen NG order, the BK27 – developed and produced at the legendary Mauser plant in Oberndorf – will be used in another state-of-the-art warplane.

The linked ammunition-feeding version of the gas-operated revolver cannon serves as the standard weapon in the multi-role Tornado, while the Eurofighter features the linkless version. Some 3,500 systems have been manufactured to date.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/171731/rheinmetall-wins-order-to-arm-gripen-ng-with-mauser-cannon.html

Mauser BK-27
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser_BK-27
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/03/2016 | 14:16 uur
Kuwaiti parliament approves Typhoon procurement

Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly | 01 March 2016

Kuwait has approved the procurement of Eurofighter Typhoon combat aircraft that was announced in September 2015, the Reuters news agency reported on 1 March (http://www.reuters.com/article/finmeccanica-eurofighter-kuwait-idUSL8N1694K7).

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The Kuwaiti parliament has approved the procurement of 28 Typhoon combat aircraft, the first of which are due to be delivered in 2019. (Eurofighter)

The national parliament has passed a draft law enabling the advance payment of KWD150 million (USD499 million) for the Typhoons, with the remainder of the USD8.7 billion to be paid later.

Under the deal, 22 single-seat and six twin-seat aircraft will be delivered to Kuwait from Finmeccanica's assembly line at Caselle, Italy, from 2019. These Tranche 3 aircraft will be equipped with an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, and Kuwait also has the option for the MBDA Storm Shadow cruise missile and MBDA Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile.

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http://www.janes.com/article/58452/kuwaiti-parliament-approves-typhoon-procurement
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/03/2016 | 18:04 uur
Russia starts developing sixth-generation fighter aircraft

02.03.2016 -

See more at: http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/kremlin/02-03-2016/133709-russia_sixth_generation_aircraft-0/#sthash.0e89nVVF.EHss5A0U.dpuf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/03/2016 | 20:39 uur
Citaat van: www.pravdareport.com Vandaag om 06:04 pm
Russia starts developing sixth-generation fighter aircraft


Het zal me benieuwen hoe lang ze hier over denken te gaan doen, immers ze hebben nog wel een "kleine" achterstand in motorentechniek en elektronica in te halen.

Gezien alle US publicaties om te komen tot een volgende generatie kist kunnen de Russen (en de Chinezen) in retoriek natuurlijk niet achterblijven...

Aangezien de VS nog wel de nodige bergen en beren op de weg zal tegenkomen zal dat voor de Oosterse competitie vermoedelijk niet veel anders zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Elzenga op 02/03/2016 | 22:08 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/03/2016 | 20:39 uur
Het zal me benieuwen hoe lang ze hier over denken te gaan doen, immers ze hebben nog wel een "kleine" achterstand in motorentechniek en elektronica in te halen.

Gezien alle US publicaties om te komen tot een volgende generatie kist kunnen de Russen (en de Chinezen) in retoriek natuurlijk niet achterblijven...

Aangezien de VS nog wel de nodige bergen en beren op de weg zal tegenkomen zal dat voor de Oosterse competitie vermoedelijk niet veel anders zijn.
Ik denk dat de nadruk bij de 6e of 7e generatie minder op stealth of motoren maar vooral op de optie bemand/onbemand zal liggen. Daarin gaan de ontwikkelingen snel en zie ik ook China en Rusland wel meegaan daarin. Daarnaast blijft de computertechnologie snel doorgaan...wat men nu in de F22 heeft en in F35 inbouwt is inmiddels al weer verouderd. Dus ook op dat vlak is een volgende stap al wel te maken. Mogelijk zitten beide landen met hetzelfde als de VS...dat de 5e generatie al welhaast weer achterhaald is nog voor hij operationeel is. Ook in de VS gaan discussies om bijvoorbeeld de F35 anders maar geheel over te slaan..net zoals de F22 halfbakken uit de verf is gekomen. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/03/2016 | 22:41 uur
Citaat van: Elzenga op 02/03/2016 | 22:08 uur
Ik denk dat de nadruk bij de 6e of 7e generatie minder op stealth of motoren maar vooral op de optie bemand/onbemand zal liggen. Daarin gaan de ontwikkelingen snel en zie ik ook China en Rusland wel meegaan daarin. Daarnaast blijft de computertechnologie snel doorgaan...wat men nu in de F22 heeft en in F35 inbouwt is inmiddels al weer verouderd. Dus ook op dat vlak is een volgende stap al wel te maken. Mogelijk zitten beide landen met hetzelfde als de VS...dat de 5e generatie al welhaast weer achterhaald is nog voor hij operationeel is. Ook in de VS gaan discussies om bijvoorbeeld de F35 anders maar geheel over te slaan..net zoals de F22 halfbakken uit de verf is gekomen.

Het is afwachten, stealth lijkt zeker terrein te verliezen al zal LO wel een permanent gegeven blijven (in welke vorm dan ook), bemand en onbemand is een zeker een issue, vooralsnog hou ik het op een mix die uiteindelijk zal doorslaan in het grootste deel onbemand.

Het overslaan van de F35 zie ik niet gebeuren, wel een aanzienlijke reductie van het beoogde aantal en de programma duur zal, na mijn verwachting, aanzienlijk koter zijn dan nu (publiekelijk) gedacht wordt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/03/2016 | 19:09 uur
Canadian Participation in F-35 Program Remains Murky

By David Pugliese | March 5, 2016

VICTORIA, British Columbia — The Canadian government will pay the next financial installment to continue its participation as a partner in the F-35 program, prompting more confusion over whether it intends to proceed with its previously stated plan to abandon the Joint Strike Fighter and buy a cheaper alternative.

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Zie onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2016/03/05/canadian-participation-f-35-program-remains-murky/81202784/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/03/2016 | 19:34 uur
Lockheed prepping Advanced EOTS and Legion Pod for flight tests

By James Drew, Orlando | 07 March 2016

Lockheed Martin is assembling a prototype of its "advanced" electro-optical targeting system (EOTS) that is proposed to replace the baseline version on the F-35 fleet.

The company will complete design and construction of the next evolution of the air-to-air and air-to-ground targeting device this year for carriage on a surrogate Sabreliner test aircraft.

Separately, Lockheed will fly the Legion infrared search-and-track (IRST) pod on a Boeing F-15C in the coming months as the US Air Force looks to fill a long-standing "capability gap" related to passive infrared detection of airborne threats.

Using the same IRST21 infrared receiver that is currently in low-rate initial production for the US Navy's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet fleet, the Legion pod has already been carried on an F-16, and will go up against Northrop Grumman's OpenPod IRST system in a future competition.

Regarding "Advanced EOTS", Lockheed director of business development for missiles and fire control Don Bolling says the proposed multispectral sensor will allow Lightning II operators to detect air and ground targets with greater clarity and at longer ranges, via short-wave infrared, high-definition television, infrared marker and image detector resolution enhancements.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=66154)
Lockheed Martin

Lockheed recently delivered the 200th EOTS sensor, which has been outpaced technologically by Lockheed's Sniper and Northrop Grumman/Rafael's Litening targeting pod systems because of delays in fielding, and consequently improving, the F-35. The baseline EOTS hasn't been used in combat yet and is already outdated.

Lockheed's fire control business has low-rate production contracts for 367 F-35 targeting systems, and is producing them at a rate of six per month, company officials say. Current F-35 plans call for more than 3,000 EOTS sensors through 2030 and production should scale up to one EOTS per business day by 2020.

Bolling told reporters following an EOTS factory tour in Orlando, Florida on 24 February that the next iteration will be cut into the same production line, if chosen by F-35 customers. Advanced EOTS promises better performance "than any pod currently [fielded] or currently envisioned", he claims.

"By the end of the year, we'll have a prototype system completed and then hopefully, in the new year, we'll have identified a path to fly it on a surrogate platform and be able to show that high-fidelity imagery," Bolling says.

Lockheed announced the new targeting sensor in 2015 and hopes the sensor upgrade will be included on a list of new capabilities being considered by the F-35 Joint Programme Office for the Block 4 project, which starts in 2019.

Advanced EOTS uses high operating temperature mid-wave infrared or "hot mid-wave" technology that has been matured under a US government-sponsored Vital Infrared Sensor Technology Acceleration (VISTA) programme. The technology boosts sensor performance and reliability by replacing expensive "cryocoolers" – according to Lockheed.

The government might compete any EOTS improvement, but Lockheed thinks any competitor "would have a significantly difficult time and would be risked-up".

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=66156)
Legion Pod
Lockheed Martin

On Legion Pod, Lockheed expects the air force to announce an acquisition strategy in the coming months, pending a report to Congress on its IRST requirements that was due on 1 March.

The air force still hasn't decided if it wants extra space, weight, power and cooling for radios in the 40cm (16in) pod for communication between various fighter types or to seek a dedicated IRST sensor pod.

"When the acquisition comes out, it will probably be just an IRST system but with volume in there for other payloads, whether that's radios or other sensors," says Bolling.

IRST is seen as complementary detection option to radar for finding and targeting airborne threats, since radar emissions can be detected and countered by electronic jamming. "This is out-of-band," Bolling says of IRST. "They don't see they're being detected and tracked."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-prepping-advanced-eots-and-legion-pod-for-f-422810/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/03/2016 | 08:57 uur
USAF seeks F-35 follow-on modernisation for 2020-25

Key Points
•The USAF is preparing a follow-on modernisation plan for the F-35A fleet
•New EW/EA capabilities and a more powerful engine are possible upgrades for the 2020-25 time frame

The US Air Force (USAF) is crafting its follow-on modernisation wish list for the Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter, with new electronic warfare capabilities and a more powerful engine potentially being added in approximately 10 years, a top service official told IHS Jane's at the Pentagon on 4 March.

"There are capabilities that we're looking at ... that we're laying into follow-on modernisation in about the 2020 time frame and through about 2025," said Major General Jeffrey Harrigian, director of the air force's F-35 integration office at the Pentagon.

http://www.janes.com/article/58594/usaf-seeks-f-35-follow-on-modernisation-for-2020-25
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/03/2016 | 08:59 uur
F-35 mission software stability poses greatest risk to USAF IOC

Key Points
•A software glitch that interferes with the F-35 radar's ability to remain working in flight poses the greatest threat to meeting the USAF's IOC schedule
•Training on a new increment of ALIS and a fuel pressure modification are the other two unresolved issues

A software glitch that interferes with the ability of the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter's AN/APG-81 AESA radar working in flight poses the greatest threat to delaying US Air Force (USAF) plans to declare its jets operationally deployable, a top service official told IHS Jane's on 4 March.

Major General Jeffrey Harrigian, director of the air force's F-35 integration office at the Pentagon, described the problem as "radar stability - the radar's ability to stay up and running" using the 3i software that the air force intends to use when it declares initial operational capability (IOC) for its fleet sometime between 1 August and 31 December.

"What would happen is they'd get a signal that says either a radar degrade or a radar fail -something that would force us to restart the radar," Maj Gen Harrigian said in further describing the issue.

The issue arose in late 2015, according to the general. "We first started to see it in testing," he said.

"Lockheed Martin discovered the root cause, and now they're in the process of making sure they take that solution and run it through the [software testing] lab." He added that new software that corrects the error is to be delivered to the USAF at the end of March.

To correct the software quickly, some code writers were diverted from their work on increment 3F, Maj Gen Harrigian said. However, any solution to the problem in increment 3i will be transferable to 3F coding, so both increments will benefit from the work.

http://www.janes.com/article/58561/f-35-mission-software-stability-poses-greatest-risk-to-usaf-ioc
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/03/2016 | 15:46 uur
As T-X Competition Looms, Air Force Expects Requirements To Hold Steady

Lara Seligman, Defense News | March 7, 2016

ORLANDO, Fla. – Despite speculation that parameters for the Air Force's T-X trainer are still up in the air, top officials say there will be no more changes to the program requirements.

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Zie onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2016/03/07/t-x-competition-looms-air-force-expects-requirements-hold-steady/81428410/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/03/2016 | 09:13 uur
US general backs fighter sales to three Gulf states

By James Drew, Washington DC | 08 March 2016

The head of US Central Command Gen Lloyd Austin has declared his support for the sale of American fighter jets to Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain.

Qatar is seeking Boeing F-15 Strike Eagles while Kuwait wants Boeing F/A-18 Strike Eagles. Bahrain, meanwhile, is keen to boost its inventory of Lockheed Martin F-16s.

However, the White House has been slow to respond, putting potential deals in jeopardy as Middle East nations warm to European fighter types like the Dassault Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon.

A perceived threat to Israel and a nuclear agreement with Iran have further complicated matters.

Testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee on 8 March, Austin said he supports fighter sales to Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain. He was responding to a question by committee chairman Sen John McCain, who has advocated for those pending deals to move forward.

Israel falls within the US European Command area of responsibility.

McCain expressed concerns about Russia's export of advanced military armaments to Iran, worth upward of $8 billion, he says.

"Certainly, that will enable them to have greater capabilities, our adversaries," Austin responded. "I will say, at the same time, the [Gulf Cooperation Council] countries have spent some $10 billion on military hardware during the same time period."

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=64385)
Lockheed is promoting its latest Falcon variant, the F-16V
Lockheed Martin

Production of all three fourth-generation fighters — the F-15, F/A-18 and F-16 — has been winding down as the US military and 10 international customers move to the Lockheed F-35.

Boeing delivered 14 F-15s and 35 F/A-18s last year. Super Hornet assembly in St Louis, Missouri has dropped to two aircraft per month, with 24 deliveries expected in 2016.

Without more orders, Lockheed faces the end of F-16 production in Fort Worth, Texas, after more than four decades of continuous assembly and 4,500 aircraft built. Current orders keep that line going into late 2017.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=62929)
Boeing rolled out the first Australian EA-18G Growler in St Louis last year

James Drew/Flight International

Despite difficulty securing foreign orders with anyone but Australia, Boeing's mixed Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler line has been continued by the US Navy, which faces a strike fighter shortage because of delays bringing the F-35C into service.

Congress added funds in this fiscal year's defence appropriations act for seven more Growlers and five more Super Hornets, and the navy has already begun the contracting process for those jets.

On 25 February, the service announced its intention to award Boeing a sole-source contract for those 12 aircraft, which will constitute the 40th F/A-18 production lot. Meanwhile, the navy funds two F/A-18s in its fiscal year 2017 budget submission and 14 in 2018.

In another positive sign, Super Hornets top seagoing service's "unfunded priorities list" for 2017. The list was submitted to Congress last week. The navy is seeking another $1.5 billion to buy 14 more jets that were not funded in its base budget request for 2017.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-general-backs-fighter-sales-to-three-gulf-states-422888/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/03/2016 | 17:56 uur
USAF studying future attack aircraft options

By James Drew, Washington DC | 09 March 2016

The US Air Force has begun studying future close air support (CAS) aircraft to succeed the Fairchild Republic A-10 as the Pentagon evaluates the weaponry it needs for "prolonged operations" of one year or more.

The flying branch is looking at tactical air support platform alternatives for low-intensity "permissive conflict" like counterterrorism and regional stability operations, similar to the types of missions being conducted Iraq and Afghanistan today, where air superiority has been achieved and coalition aircraft can roam relatively freely in support of ground troops.

USAF officials say a portion of a "combat air force study" is dedicated to considering alternative CAS aircraft: everything from the Beechcraft AT-6 Wolverine, Sierra Nevada/Embraer A-29 Super Tucano, and the Textron AirLand Scorpion on the "low end" of the capability spectrum to more sophisticated clean-sheet attack aircraft or AT-X derivatives of the planned T-X next-generation trainer.

The study comes as the air force "re-phases" its retirement of the hardy A-10 "Warthog" that currently serves in the role. It has pushed back the fleet's divestiture from this fiscal year to "between 2018 and 2022" at cost imposition of $3.4 billion.

Service officials admit that despite being an ideal close air support platform in high-end conflict with Russia, the long-delayed A-10 replacement, the Lockheed Martin F-35, will be too expensive to operate in the Warthog's day-to-day role.

"[F-35] will be particularly capable in contested environments, like Russian doctrine where you would bring your air defences with you, because there will be a limited number of airplanes that can operate in that role," USAF deputy chief of staff for strategic plans and requirements Lt Gen James Holmes tells a Senate Armed Services subcommittee panel on 8 March. "It would certainly be an expensive way to go after a permissive environment mission and we hope to not have to do that, so we will look at other options."

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=62260)
US Air Force

In written testimony to the AirLand Subcommittee, the four testifying air force officials explain that the study will support a decision process sometime in the next five-year defence spending plan, which covers fiscal years 2018 to 2022. "This will serve to ensure that other current platforms and future systems meet future close air support requirements," the prepared statement says.

The A-10 was introduced in 1975 and upgraded to the more capable A-10C configuration in 2007. Its backers in Congress have consistently protected it from the air force's budget axe.

Holmes told reporters after the hearing that the air force needs to figure out if it needs an entirely new attack platform or a more basic "off-the-shelf" option like the AT-6, A-29 or Scorpion before pushing forward with a new acquisition programme.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=59399)
Textron AirLand

"There are some very low-end airplanes out there, like the A-29 that we're partnering with for Afghanistan and training their crews in," Holmes says. "The question is, is it enough? We know that an F-35 is too much, but is an A-29 enough for the mission set we need to do or do we need something in-between? Is there a derivative of our T-X platform that could do some range of lower-cost missions?"

Holmes cautions that the T-X Advanced Pilot Trainer programme hasn't even entered development and still many years away from delivering the 350 training aircraft required to replace the Northrop T-38. An AT-X derivative would need to wait until the original trainer requirement is satisfied, and T-X initial operational capability isn't due until 2024.

"I don't want to add requirements to that, which would make it too expensive," Holmes says, noting that the air force will likely need a new attack aircraft sooner.

"One of the hardest things to do in the [US Defense Department] budget process is to spend $1 this year to save $10 later because you can't scrape up the $1 this year to do it because of other pressing needs," he says. "You make that trade of paying more to fly an F-16 vice a lower capability airplane."

The air force has been considering new ways to use F-15s and F-16s in the CAS role through upgrades and new tactics. DARPA has been experimenting with new tablet computer-based software that makes it easier for "JTAC" targeting specialists on the ground to call in air fire with greater accuracy and less collateral damage, under a Raytheon-led project called persistent close air support (PCAS). That programme demonstrated full functionality with an A-10C in May 2015.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-studying-future-attack-aircraft-options-422936/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/03/2016 | 19:24 uur
USAF wants on-time F-X, not more F-22s

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-wants-on-time-f-x-not-more-f-22s-422950/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/03/2016 | 20:44 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/03/2016 | 17:56 uur
USAF studying future attack aircraft options

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-studying-future-attack-aircraft-options-422936/

Hebben ze eindelijk het licht gezien bij de USAF ?  ;)

Ben erg benieuwd met welke ideeën en/of oplossingen ze komen. Textrons Scorpion of A-29's als interim oplossing ?
Voor mijn gevoel maakt de Scorpion een goede kans.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 09/03/2016 | 20:50 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 09/03/2016 | 20:44 uur
Hebben ze eindelijk het licht gezien bij de USAF ?  ;)

Ben erg benieuwd met welke ideeën en/of oplossingen ze komen. Textrons Scorpion of A-29's als interim oplossing ?
Voor mijn gevoel maakt de Scorpion een goede kans.
Ik ga ook voor de scorpion, die is hier speciaal voor ontworpen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/03/2016 | 20:55 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 09/03/2016 | 20:44 uur
Hebben ze eindelijk het licht gezien bij de USAF ?  ;)

Ben erg benieuwd met welke ideeën en/of oplossingen ze komen. Textrons Scorpion of A-29's als interim oplossing ?
Voor mijn gevoel maakt de Scorpion een goede kans.

Ik zie graag een oplossing inclusief GAU-8/A Avenger, toch een aandachtpuntje voor de genoemde lichte kisten....  Op naar de echte A10 opvolger!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/03/2016 | 21:02 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/03/2016 | 20:55 uur
Ik zie graag een oplossing inclusief GAU-8/A Avenger, toch een aandachtpuntje voor de genoemde lichte kisten....  Op naar de echte A10 opvolger!

Is het kaliber 30 mm echt nodig? De 25 mm GAU-12/U (vijfloops) of de GAU-22/A (vierloops) zijn misschien ook goede alternatieven.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 09/03/2016 | 21:14 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/03/2016 | 21:02 uur
Is het kaliber 30 mm echt nodig? De 25 mm GAU-12/U (vijfloops) of de GAU-22/A (vierloops) zijn misschien ook goede alternatieven.

Op het filmpje een deskundige aan het woord waarom je een 30mm kanon nodig heb.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/03/2016 | 21:15 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/03/2016 | 20:55 uur
Ik zie graag een oplossing inclusief GAU-8/A Avenger, toch een aandachtpuntje voor de genoemde lichte kisten....  Op naar de echte A10 opvolger!
Misschien kan die in de middellijn onder de Scorpion gehangen worden ? Of de 25 mm van de F-35, GAU-22/A
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/03/2016 | 21:33 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 09/03/2016 | 21:14 uur
Op het filmpje een deskundige aan het woord waarom je een 30mm kanon nodig heb.

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Had liever een militair vlieger gehoord die bekend is met de M61, GAU-12/U en GAU-8/A en er een goed oordeel over kan geven.

Het is aan de andere kant niet vreemd als de USAF toch weer de GAU-8/A zou kiezen. Zij zijn er al 40 jaar mee bekend.

Citaat van: Harald op 09/03/2016 | 21:15 uur
Misschien kan die in de middellijn onder de Scorpion gehangen worden ? Of de 25 mm van de F-35, GAU-22/A

Als de Scorpion de GPU-5/A 30 mm gun pod zou gaan gebruiken, dan mag er wel een hele stevige midden pylon worden ontworpen. Bij de F-16 was deze gun pod door alle trillingen onbruikbaar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 09/03/2016 | 21:34 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 09/03/2016 | 21:15 uur
Misschien kan die in de middellijn onder de Scorpion gehangen worden ? Of de 25 mm van de F-35, GAU-22/A

Dan heb jee een zwaarder toestel nodig de A10 is namelijk rond de GAU-8 Avenger ontworpen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 09/03/2016 | 21:38 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/03/2016 | 21:33 uur
Had liever een militair vlieger gehoord die bekend is met de M61, GAU-12/U en GAU-8/A en er een goed oordeel over kan geven.





Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/03/2016 | 21:33 uur
Het is aan de andere kant niet vreemd als de USAF toch weer de GAU-8/A zou kiezen. Zij zijn er al 40 jaar mee bekend.

Is de  GAU-8/A dan nog in produktie?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/03/2016 | 21:45 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 09/03/2016 | 21:38 uur
Is de  GAU-8/A dan nog in produktie?

Thanks voor dit tweede filmpje  ;)

Fabrikant General Dynamics heeft de GAU-8/A op dit moment misschien wel of niet in productie, maar het wordt op hun website getoond.
http://www.gd-ots.com/armament_systems/mbw_GAU-8A.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 09/03/2016 | 21:59 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/03/2016 | 21:45 uur
Thanks voor dit tweede filmpje  ;)

Fabrikant General Dynamics heeft de GAU-8/A op dit moment misschien wel of niet in productie, maar het wordt op hun website getoond.
http://www.gd-ots.com/armament_systems/mbw_GAU-8A.html

Voor zover ik weet is de  GAU-8/A niet meer in productie en dat was de reden dat  Zuid-Koreanen een licentie kochten voor de GAU-8/A om Goalkeepers als CIWS te kunnen gebruiken op hun marineschepen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/03/2016 | 22:05 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 09/03/2016 | 21:59 uur
Voor zover ik weet is de  GAU-8/A niet meer in productie en dat was de reden dat  Zuid-Koreanen een licentie kochten voor de GAU-8/A om Goalkeepers als CIWS te kunnen gebruiken op hun marineschepen.

Wel een vreemde reden. De VS had er ook voor kunnen kiezen dat de GAU-8/A niet kan worden geëxporteerd en uitsluitend voor de eigen krijgsmacht wordt geproduceerd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 09/03/2016 | 22:22 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/03/2016 | 22:05 uur
Wel een vreemde reden. De VS had er ook voor kunnen kiezen dat de GAU-8/A niet kan worden geëxporteerd en uitsluitend voor de eigen krijgsmacht wordt geproduceerd.

In dat geval had Thales Nederland zonder de GAU-8/A nooit de Goalkeeper kunnen leveren als CIWS.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/03/2016 | 22:33 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 09/03/2016 | 22:22 uur
In dat geval had Thales Nederland zonder de GAU-8/A nooit de Goalkeeper kunnen leveren als CIWS.

Echter kwam Zuid-Korea pas na Nederland, uitgaande dat Zuid-Korea echt de reden is. Ergens is het wel vreemd om de GAU-8/A niet aan Zuid-Korea te willen leveren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 09/03/2016 | 22:37 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/03/2016 | 22:33 uur
Echter kwam Zuid-Korea pas na Nederland, uitgaande dat Zuid-Korea echt de reden is. Ergens is het wel vreemd om de GAU-8/A niet aan Zuid-Korea te willen leveren.

De  GAU-8/A  was eind jaren 90 begin 2000 al uit productie dat heb ik vernomen van iemand die bij Thales Nederland werkzaam is, dat was de reden dat Zuid-Korea een licentie kochten van de GAU-8/A   om toch de Goalkeeper als CIWS te kunnen gebruiken en mijn bronnen zijn betrouwbaar.

De overige landen die een Goalkeeper gebruiken hebben een GAU-8/A  van  General Electric.

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNNeth_30mm_Goalkeeper.htm
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/03/2016 | 22:53 uur
Ook niet onbelangrijk van de GAU-8/A

Bron: Wikipedia:

"The gun's 5-foot, 11.5-inch (1.816 m) ammunition drum can hold up to 1,350 rounds of 30 mm ammunition, but generally holds 1,174 rounds"
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/03/2016 | 22:55 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 09/03/2016 | 22:37 uur
De  GAU-8/A  was eind jaren 90 begin 2000 al uit productie dat heb ik vernomen van iemand die bij Thales Nederland werkzaam is, dat was de reden dat Zuid-Korea een licentie kochten van de GAU-8/A   om toch de Goalkeeper als CIWS te kunnen gebruiken en mijn bronnen zijn betrouwbaar.

De overige landen die een Goalkeeper gebruiken hebben een GAU-8/A  van  General Electric.

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNNeth_30mm_Goalkeeper.htm

Dan houdt het wat de GAU-8/A betreft (voorlopig) op. General Electric heeft het merendeel aan General Dynamics overgedragen en bijvoorbeeld de M134 Minigun aan Dillon Aero.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 09/03/2016 | 22:59 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/03/2016 | 22:53 uur
Ook niet onbelangrijk van de GAU-8/A

Bron: Wikipedia:

"The gun's 5-foot, 11.5-inch (1.816 m) ammunition drum can hold up to 1,350 rounds of 30 mm ammunition, but generally holds 1,174 rounds"

En zo groot is de GAU-8/A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-8_Avenger#/media/File:GAU-8_meets_VW_Type_1.jpg
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/03/2016 | 23:04 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 09/03/2016 | 21:15 uur
Misschien kan die in de middellijn onder de Scorpion gehangen worden ? Of de 25 mm van de F-35, GAU-22/A
Helaas, Scorpion heeft alleen aan de vleugels, totaal 6 stuks ophangpunten voor wapens.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/03/2016 | 23:10 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 09/03/2016 | 23:04 uur
Helaas, Scorpion heeft alleen aan de vleugels, totaal 6 stuks ophangpunten voor wapens.
Maar er zijn wel mogelijkheden voor gun pods, alleen niet bekend welk kaliber.

http://www.scorpionjet.com/different-direction/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/03/2016 | 23:17 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/03/2016 | 22:55 uur
Dan houdt het wat de GAU-8/A betreft (voorlopig) op. General Electric heeft het merendeel aan General Dynamics overgedragen en bijvoorbeeld de M134 Minigun aan Dillon Aero.

Of het nu de GAU-8/A betreft of een nieuw vergelijkbaar systeem incl. de capaciteit van het vliegtuig om een gelijksoortige hoeveelheid munitie mee te torsen maakt mij niet zoveel uit als het maar minimaal gelijkwaardig of beter is en dat zie ik een lichte vervanger vooralsnog niet doen.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/03/2016 | 09:18 uur
USAF wants its IRST pod to have data sharing capability between 4th & 5th gen. fighters

H/T to Milaerospace. In a sources-sought notice published on Mar. 8, the U.S. Air Force's Life Cycle Management Center announced that the infrared search and track (IRST) pod for the F-15C must have a "5th to 4th Gen Gateway" capability.

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gannett-cdn.com%2F-mm-%2Fba645fae65a7636a5b014a740dc10fe76a7036ec%2Fc%3D4-0-2579-1936%26amp%3Br%3Dx404%26amp%3Bc%3D534x401%2Flocal%2F-%2Fmedia%2F2015%2F02%2F10%2FDefenseNews%2FDefenseNews%2F635591800825860644-14Or637-137-GoPro.jpg&hash=95e3e23674e82814febe9246a16394e1f92d2b2e)

A key requirement for the pod is that it must talk to the F-22's Intra-Flight Data Link (IFDL) and the F-35's Multifunction Advanced Data Link (MADL) via Link-16 and create a "Common Tactical Picture (CTP)."

http://alert5.com/2016/03/10/usaf-wants-its-irst-pod-to-have-data-sharing-capability-between-4th-5th-gen-fighters/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/03/2016 | 09:29 uur
Hoe zal dat gaan straks in de overgangsfase bij Nederland als we zowel met F-16's als F-35 vliegen. Data uitwisseling kan dus niet via LINK16 vanaf de F-16 naar de F-35.  Hierbij gaat het grote voordeel van de F-35 Situation Awareness verloren.
Moeten wij dan ook extra pods bestellen/leasen ? 

En hoe zit het met de "Data verbinding" naar andere type toestellen en toestellen van andere landen, te denken aan :
- coöperatie met de Belgische F-16's o.a in missies en QRA
- Eurofighters
- Rafale
- Gripens
- ...

maar ook andere eenheden binnen de NL defensie; bijvoorbeeld fregatten, grond eenheden, e.d.  moeten hiervoor ook andere apparatuur of upgrades aangeschaft worden ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/03/2016 | 15:56 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/03/2016 | 23:17 uur
Of het nu de GAU-8/A betreft of een nieuw vergelijkbaar systeem incl. de capaciteit van het vliegtuig om een gelijksoortige hoeveelheid munitie mee te torsen maakt mij niet zoveel uit als het maar minimaal gelijkwaardig of beter is en dat zie ik een lichte vervanger vooralsnog niet doen.

Het is maar net hoe groot het ontwerp is en ook waar behoefte aan is. De voorganger van de A-10 was de A-7D Corsair II. Deze had weliswaar 'slechts' een M61A1, maar wel met 1000 stuks munitie.

Een ontwerp met een munitiecapaciteit van bijvoorbeeld 500 stuks 25 mm APEX munitie zou ook niet al te slecht zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/03/2016 | 16:00 uur
Pentagon worried about dwindling USAF fighter numbers

By James Drew, Washington DC | 10 March 2016

US deputy secretary of defence Robert Work has expressed concern about the size of the US Air Force's tactical fighter force, which has dropped from 88 squadrons before the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 to just 54 squadrons today.

Speaking at a 9 March forum in Washington DC to commemorate the 25th anniversary of Operation Desert Storm, Work questioned the wisdom of moving to an all fifth-generation fighter force at the expense of higher overall fighter numbers, saying the air force will probably need to maintain its Lockheed Martin F-16s and Boeing F-15s into the 2040s "and possibly beyond".

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=50766)
US Air Force

Work admits that the air force "has taken the brunt of the defence drawdown" since 2001, which has seen more spending on counterterrorism and stability operations in Iraq and Afghanistan at the expense of procurement and force modernisation.

He says since 2001 the Army has gone from 480,000 soldiers to 450,00 today and the number of marines has increased from 172,000 to 182,000. The US Navy, meanwhile, has dropped from 316 ships to 308.

When Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, the air force had 134 tactical fighter squadrons in its inventory, but those numbers dropped sharply as airframes like the General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark, McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom and Lockheed F117 were withdrawn from service.

Meanwhile, Lockheed F-22 Raptor production was truncated at 187 aircraft – well short of the 750 aircraft the military planned to buy when production began in 1994.

The F-35, meanwhile, is running well over cost and about six years behind schedule, and Work worries about the air force cutting its planned A-model production rate in this decade from 80 to 60 and now just 48 Lightning IIs per year – historically low production volumes.

"Without question, the part of the joint portfolio which has taken the brunt of the defence drawdown is the US Air Force and our capacity in aerospace combat power," says Work, who describes fifth-generation fighters as "battle network" or BN aircraft. "Now, the problem is that we truncated the BN-22, and the ramp rate for the BN-35 is now at a point where the air force was trying to stay at 80 per year, then we dropped down to try stay at 60, and now our programme is 48 per year. The mere fact is, we're going to have a mixed fifth-gen and fourth-gen fleet for a long time."

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=61566)



US Air Force

Evenif the department were awash with cash, Work says he doesn't know if it would be wiser to pump that money into legacy fleet upgrades or into buying more F-35s.

"I really worry about the size of the air force," he says. "If you told me we were going to go down from 54 tactical fighter squadrons to 45 but they'd all be F-35s, I'm not certain I'd say that's a good thing, simply because the air force's operational tempo right now is driving the force into a bad place."

Congress has passed legislation banning the air force from dropping below 1,900 fighter aircraft, of which, 1,100 must be combat-coded. The service currently funds 54 fighter squadrons in its base budget, and one F-15 squadron is funded through the Pentagon's European Reassurance Initiative (ERI) fund "primarily because it's the only dual-capable aircraft we can move without causing problems with [Russian president Vladimir Putin]".

The air force says it is also hamstrung when it comes to fighter pilots, with officials saying at a congressional hearing this week that the service is 511 fighter pilots short of its requirement. That deficit will grow to 834 by 2022 without intervention.

America currently faces the end of F-16, F-15 and Boeing F/A-18 production as the services pursue three variants of the F-35. The navy and air force are currently studying sixth-generation fighter options that would enter service in the 2030s.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pentagon-worried-about-dwindling-usaf-fighter-number-422996/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/03/2016 | 07:53 uur
F-35 Chief: Think Very, Very Hard Before Making Another Joint Fighter

12:03 AM ET By Marcus Weisgerber 

Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan has a bit of advice for Air Force and Navy leaders envisioning their next tactical aircraft.

Perhaps the only thing U.S. military leaders know about their next fighter jet is this: they want the program to go better than the F-35's did.

The sixth-generation fighter effort is still in its infancy; the aircraft it produces may not fly for decades. The Pentagon hasn't even decided whether to build separate planes for the Navy and Air Force. But the services' leaders are already cooperating to figure out how the futuristic fighter will fit into the battlefield of the future — and how they can avoid another tactical aircraft program that winds up so late, over budget, and short of its goals.

Ask the F-35 program's current director for advice, and you'll get this gentle warning: joint programs are hard.

"I'm not saying they're bad. I'm not saying they're good. I'm just saying they're hard," Air Force Lt. Gen. Christopher Bogdan said Thursday. "[Y]ou ought to think really hard about what you really need out of the sixth-generation fighter and how much overlap is there between what the Navy and the Air Force really need."

When the F-35 was conceived in the 1990s, the goal was to buy a common plane for the Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, and even America's allies. The Air Force version would fly from traditional runways, the Navy version would operate from aircraft carriers, and the Marine version would be built to take off from short runways and land vertically. The goal was to have all three have 70 percent of their parts in common, which was meant to save billions of dollars in development and logistics costs.

But engineering changes have produced three variants that have only 20 percent of their parts in common, Bogdan said at a conference sponsored by McAleese and Associates and Credit Suisse.

If Pentagon leaders do choose to build a multi-variant plane to serve multiple sets of requirements, he says, the services will have to embrace compromise to a greater degree than happened in the $400 billion F-35 program.

"Man, is [compromise] a hard thing to do when you're spending billions of dollars," he said, "You want what you want, [but] hopefully get what you need."

And indeed, some top military leaders are hinting that another joint, F-35-like project is not in the works.

"We will have some different requirements for what we need based on the different things we are expected to provide for the joint force," Lt. Gen. James "Mike" Holmes, Air Force deputy chief of staff for plans and requirements, told reporters last month. "We will use common technologies and maybe some common things, but at this point we think it will be a different enough mission that it won't be the same airplane."

Asked Thursday whether the Navy would work with the Air Force to buy a new sixth-generation aircraft, Adm. John Richardson, the chief of naval operations, said, "It's really too early to make a conclusive statement in that regard."

Richardson said the two services, which are already discussing the key capabilities of a fighter that might first see combat in the 2030s, will keep talking with one another.

"Even in the early stages, [the Navy is] committed to working with the Air Force on that so that we kind of learn from each other as effectively as we can," the admiral said at the conference.

For now, Richardson said, the Navy is more focused on figuring out how to fly drones alongside manned aircraft on its aircraft carriers. "There's just so much to learn about integrating unmanned aviation into the carrier air wing right now, but I just want to get started," he said.

In the meantime, defense firms have been pitching concepts of their own for nearly a decade: planes armed with lasers, special engines that don't give off heat, and more. Now if they can just come up with a way to help keep the program itself on track.

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/03/f-35-chief-think-very-very-hard-making-another-joint-fighter/126587/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/03/2016 | 11:43 uur
F-35 chief expects P&W's bomber work to reduce F135 cost

By James Drew, Washington DC | 10 March 2016

The head of the multinational F-35 Joint Strike Fighter programme expects Pratt & Whitney to significantly reduce the cost of the F135 now that it has been named as the propulsion system supplier for the Northrop Grumman B-21 bomber.

Lt Gen Christopher Bogdan would not confirm if the F135 engine core is common with the B-21 powerplant but says there are enough "benefits" to warrant price reductions for the F-35 programme.

The F-35 joint programme office (JPO) has already reached a "handshake" agreement for 167 of the high-thrust military turbofan engines under low-rate production lots nine and 10, but price reductions might come with production of 100 B-21 bombers ramps up in the 2020s. The air force has not said if the stealthy B-21 is powered by two or four engines.

"I think some things we learnt on the F-35 engine with Pratt & Whitney will greatly benefit the long-range strike airplane, and at the same time, I think Pratt & Whitney ought to be looking to drive the cost of the F-35 engine down now that they have that extra business," Bogdan said at a defence programmes forum in Washington DC on 10 March. "We expect them to."

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=65480)
US Air Force

The air force says P&W of East Hartford, Connecticut is one of seven top-tier suppliers for the B-21 programme. It did not confirm Pratt's exact role on the industry team.

P&W maintains two plants in Connecticut that produce its main civil and military engines, including a 140,000m² manufacturing space in Middletown and 74,000m² space in East Hartford. The company produces the F100 for legacy Boeing F-15 and Lockheed F-16 fighter jets, the PW4062 for Boeing's KC-46 Pegasus and recently wrapped up work on the F117 for the Boeing C-17.

Bogdan did not say if the B-21 would boost production of F135 engine cores. He did, though, confirm that overhead costs would at least be shared. "I would expect that prices for F135 to come down," he reiterated.

The bomber programme remains classified despite the air force naming the top seven suppliers and releasing the military designation and artist's impression of the bomber.

Lockheed and P&W have committed to reducing the price of the conventional F-35A from 100 million today to $85 million for orders placed in fiscal year 2019.

A spokesman for the engine manufacturer declined to comment on the B-21 or Bogdan's comments, referring all question to the air force. F135 assembly is scaling up as the F-35 fighter acquisition gathers pace, with output jumping 110% between lets eight and 10.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-35-chief-expects-pws-bomber-work-to-reduce-f135-423013/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/03/2016 | 12:15 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/03/2016 | 11:43 uur
F-35 chief expects P&W's bomber work to reduce F135 cost

Pratt & Whitney heeft alweer goed de vinger in de pap bij de ontwikkeling van de Northrop Grumman B-21 bomber.

Gaan ze weer voor 1 leverancier voor de motoren ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/03/2016 | 12:50 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 11/03/2016 | 12:15 uur
Pratt & Whitney heeft alweer goed de vinger in de pap bij de ontwikkeling van de Northrop Grumman B-21 bomber.

Gaan ze weer voor 1 leverancier voor de motoren ?

Blijkbaar wel. In onderstaande link wordt General Electric in ieder geval niet genoemd.
http://www.janes.com/article/58635/usaf-names-some-b-21-subcontractors-pratt-whitney-as-engine-maker
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/03/2016 | 14:05 uur
In Queue for Perfection: Indonesia to Receive First Russian Su-35 in 2018

Sputnik news | 09 March 2016

Indonesia will not receive the first batch of Russian Su-35 multirole fighters earlier than in 2018 due to the overload of the aircraft's sole manufacturer with domestic and international orders, media reported Wednesday, citing a source in the Russian Defense Ministry.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Earlier in March, Indonesian Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu announced (http://sputniknews.com/military/20160304/1035760931/indonesia-russia-su35.html) Moscow and Jakarta would sign in April a contract for the delivery of 10 Russian Su-35 Flanker multirole fighter jets to replace Indonesia's fleet of F-5 Tigers.

The manufacturer had produced 14 Su-35, several Su-30МК2 aircraft for Vietnam and modernized Su-27 in 2015, the Russian Izvestia newspaper reported.

"Today, a full transition of the enterprise to the production of modern Su-35 is on the agenda. However, this will not affect the queue. The plant is due to produce 50 aircraft for Russia's Aerospace Forces within five years, and 24 for China. Indonesians could expect to receive two jets in 2018 in a best-case scenario," the source told the newspaper.

The Su-35S is a 4++ generation one-seater, an upgraded version of the Su-27 multirole fighter with features comparable to a 5-generation aircraft. It is characterized by supermaneuverability and is equipped with new avionics, a modern radar and advanced engines. It can accomplish incredible tricks without deceleration and can fly at a speed of 2400 kmph, outpacing all rivals in its class. The warplane is armed with 30mm guns, a huge number of missiles and rockets.

Four Su-35s have been deployed to Syria (http://sputniknews.com/military/20160202/1034074594/russia-syria-su-35s.html) amid Moscow's counterterrorism campaign (http://sputniknews.com/trend/russia_versus_isil_in_syria/).

http://sputniknews.com/military/20160309/1035990763/indonesia-russia-su-35-jets.html#ixzz42RJNV3oy
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/03/2016 | 14:09 uur
Dassault: French Sale of Rafales to India Still Being Negotiated

By Thierry Dubois | March 10, 2016

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ainonline.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Fain30_fullwidth_large%2Fpublic%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F03%2Frafaleegypt.jpeg%3Fitok%3DDPRf56KI%26amp%3Btimestamp%3D1457636751&hash=46d4888c9c68353fc31e64767ea54e20e81e63c0)
Egypt, the first export customer of the Dassault Rafale, has received six fighters, and production is ramping up. (Photo: Dassault Aviation)

The contract for the sale of 36 Rafale fighters to India has not yet been signed, manufacturer Dassault Aviation said March 10. Four weeks was thought to be enough time to conclude the transaction when the heads of state of France and India reached agreement on the sale in late January (http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2016-01-26/french-and-indian-leaders-advance-fighter-helicopter-pacts).

"We are getting closer; we are trying to finalize the price," CEO Eric Trappier said during Dassault's annual press conference, held at its Paris headquarters. The Indian government is "always wanting more" but "at some point, one has to make up his mind," Trappier added.

Referring to the Indian government's "Make in India" policy, Trappier said Dassault and its French partners are looking for local companies in India capable of manufacturing Rafales. Offsets are being devised to pave the way for a hoped-for 90-aircraft deal in the mid term. "It would not be worth it for them to gear up for 36 examples but it will be for 90," he said. 

Last year, two Mirage 2000s were upgraded and delivered in France to the Indian Air Force. The remaining upgrades will be performed by Hindustan Aeronautics in Bangalore, Trappier pointed out.

The other hot prospects for Rafale sales are Malaysia and UAE, but Trappier did not elaborate. In Switzerland, after a referendum thwarted a deal with Saab for 22 Gripens, talks have resumed there, he said. The need would be to replace two fighter types—the Boeing F/A-18 and the Northrop F-5. Dassault has also received a request for information from Belgium and has opened an office in Brussels.

Egypt, the first export customer of the Rafale, has received six fighters (http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2015-07-20/dassault-delivers-first-rafale-combat-jets-egypt). The latest three were delivered in January. "All are fully operational, flown by Egyptian pilots," Trappier said. The next three will be delivered next year.

Qatar, the second export customer of the Rafale, paid a first deposit late last year. The first delivery is scheduled for 2018, a year that will see a sharp increase in deliveries. Production is now ramping up, approaching two Rafales per month. Deliveries, however, will be slow in 2016 and 2017, at nine and then four Rafales. This will include six and then one delivery to French forces.

The Rafale's firm backlog now stands at 83 fighters. Dassault is developing the F3R version, equipped with the air-to-air Meteor missile, a new-generation laser targeting pod and a new refueling pod, aiming for operational capability in 2018.

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2016-03-10/dassault-french-sale-rafales-india-still-being-negotiated
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/03/2016 | 19:12 uur
Pentagon Mad Scientists Have Made the F-16 Even More Lethal

David Axe / March 11, 2016

In the middle of June 2015, a U.S. Air Force F-16 fighter took off from an air base in Alaska and flew over a military training range at 430 miles per hour. On command, something burst from the fighter's flare dispenser—a drone roughly the size of a soda can and weighing just one pound.

The tiny, orange- and black-colored robot fluttered toward the ground trailing a parachute. After a few seconds, the chute separated from the drone, the robot's wings—which had folded into the body for compactness—extended outward. An inch-wide propeller began spinning, propelling the diminutive machine forward.

The drone is called "Perdix." It's the latest product of the Strategic Capabilities Office, a secretive Pentagon organization, formed in 2012, whose job is to find new ways to deploy existing weapons.

One of the office's ideas is to transform F-16s and other fast jets into high-speed launchers for swarms of small drones that could confuse enemy defenses or perform surveillance.

"Just imagine an airplane going in against an [integrated air defense] system and dropping thirty of these out that form into a network and do crazy things," Bob Work, the deputy defense secretary, told trade publication Breaking Defense. "We've tested this. We've tested it and it works."

The Perdix drones are 3D-printed out of Kevlar and carbon-fiber. Powered by lithium-ion batteries—the same kind you'd find in a cell phone—the Perdixes launch from a standard flare dispenser, like on the F-16, F/A-18 and other warplanes.

Toughness was a key design requirement. A Perdix must survive forceful ejection from a high-speed launcher and right itself in turbulent winds.

The drones were originally developed by students at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 2011. The students tested the Perdixes from balloons and envisioned the small unmanned aerial vehicles supporting environmental monitoring.

But it was the military that was most interested in the tiny machines. The Virginia-based Strategic Capabilities Office—a twenty-six-person team led by William Roper, a physicist who previously worked for the military on missile defense—began experimenting with Perdix in 2014.

The Alaska sortie was the first in a rapid-fire series of flight tests. As part of the Northern Edge war game last June, fighters launched Perdix drones 72 times. After deploying, a swarm of potentially dozens of the Perdix robots connect via radio datalink—and pursue their objective.

"The specifics of what the mini-drones can do are classified, but they could be used to confuse enemy forces and carry out surveillance missions using equipment that costs much less than full-sized unmanned aircraft," the Washington Post reported.

Fighter-launched robotic decoys are not new, per se. The F-16 was one of the first U.S. military aircraft to carry the Miniature Air-Launched Decoy, a roughly 10-foot-long, radar-spoofing drone, starting in the late 1990s.

The difference is the swarm. While an F-16 might launch only a couple of MALDs, the same plane could deploy up thirty Perdixes—thirty is the flare capacity of the standard ALE-47 countermeasures dispenser—making the smaller drones much harder to destroy and potentially much more effective.

Not to mention cheaper. A single ADM-160B MALD costs more than $300,000. Two years of testing involving potentially hundreds of Perdixes has cost the government just $20 million, thanks in part to the initiative's heavy reliance on existing technology.

"We don't have to develop fundamentally new weapons," Roper told The Washington Post. "But we have to work the integration and the concept of operation. And then you have a completely new capability, but you don't have to wait long at all."

David Axe is a contributor to War is Boring, where this article first appeared.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/pentagon-mad-scientists-have-made-the-f-16-even-more-lethal-15470
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/03/2016 | 14:19 uur
Light F-35 Helmet Tests Begin, DOD Aims To Fix Escape System This Year

Lara Seligman, Defense News | March 14, 2016

WASHINGTON — The F-35 joint program office will begin testing the first prototype of the new, lightweight Generation III helmet later this month, with the hope of resolving by November issues with the jet's escape system that have kept some pilots grounded.

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Zie onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2016/03/14/light-f-35-helmet-tests-begin-dod-aims-fix-escape-system-year/81646430/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 16/03/2016 | 13:15 uur
Morgenochtend 8.30 - 9.30 is het jaarlijkse Gripen seminar online te volgen waarin ook de laatste stand van zaken van de Gripen E aan bod zal komen.

http://saab.com/gripenseminar
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/03/2016 | 20:10 uur
USAF working on new defensive missile for fighters

By Stephen Trimble, Washington DC | 16 March 2016

US industry could be competing within three years to develop a new self-defence missile for fighters aimed at countering the latest generation of Russian- and Chinese-made air-to-air weapons, says a top Lockheed Martin executive.

For several years, the US Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) and several contractors, including Lockheed, Raytheon and Boeing, have been researching concepts and subsystems that could be used in a new kind of air-to-air weapon.

In Lockheed's concept, this miniature self-defence munition (MDSM) – about half the size of a 3.7m (12ft)-long Raytheon AIM-120D AMRAAM – would boast a limited capability to shoot down opposing aircraft in short-range engagements, says Frank St. John, vice-president of tactical missile and combat manoeuvre systems, speaking on 15 March at Lockheed's annual Media Day.

But the main purpose of the weapon, also known as the small advanced capabilities missile (SACM) would be to intercept and destroy incoming enemy missiles, such as the long-range, Chinese-made PL-12 and Russian-made Vympel RVV-BD.

"I know that MSDM and SACM and all of those things are responses to those threats in some way as a self defence capability for our aircraft," St. John says.

St. John estimates the air force could be ready to launch a competition in 18 to 30 months for the new weapon, which, if funded, would add to the internal-carriage arsenal of the F-22 and F-35.

Lockheed's concept is based on a hit-to-kill weapon that destroys a target with kinetic power alone. Powered by a small rocket motor, it would leverage technology developed for the upgraded PAC-3 missile segment enhancement (MSE) Patriot missile. Lockheed is continuing to study radar and imaging-based sensors for terminal guidance, St. John says.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-working-on-new-defensive-missile-for-fighters-423185/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 17/03/2016 | 09:59 uur
IAI took a surface-to-surface rocket and convert it into an airborne missile

Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) has a family of artillery rockets and it has now converted one of them into a air-to-surface missile for carriage on a wide range of fighter aircraft.

Dubbed SkySniper, the missile is able to neutralize enemy air defense sites from a range of 81nm. It has GPS/INS guidance and each fighter can carry up to 4 Skysnipers under wing pylons.

http://alert5.com/2016/03/17/iai-took-a-surface-to-surface-rocket-and-convert-it-into-an-airborne-missile/

Extra info :
http://www.iai.co.il/2013/34225-46386-en/Groups_SystemMissileandSpace_MLM_Products_PrecisionStrikingSystems.aspx

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/03/2016 | 09:19 uur
Air Force Clarifies A-10 Retirement Plans

Lara Seligman, Defense News | March 17, 2016

WASHINGTON — Amid some confusion over when the Air Force will retire the A-10 attack plane, top service officials this week clarified the plan to start drawing down Warthog squadrons in fiscal 2018.

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Zie onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2016/03/17/air-force-clarifies--10-retirement-plans/81902954/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/03/2016 | 09:58 uur
Possible Delays Loom for Danish Fighter Buy

Gerard O'Dwyer, Defense News | march 17, 2016

HELSINKI — Unresolved issues over the funding of the Danish fighter replacement program (FRP), and uncertainty concerning the stability of Denmark's minority backed government, are raising fresh fears about further delays in the decision-making process.

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Zie onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/international/europe/2016/03/17/possible-delays-loom-danish-fighter-buy/81939168/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/03/2016 | 20:16 uur
Saving Money on the F-22 Fighter Jet May Cost America a Hell of a Lot

By Ryan Faith

March 18, 2016 | 4:17 pm

The United States Air Force is not in great shape. For starters, officials estimate it has 500 fewer pilots than it should ideally have. Plus, many of the planes those pilots would be flying aren't in great shape. The newest jet, the F-35, is continually hammered for schedule, cost, and technological issues. The slightly older F-22 is considered the best fighter jet in the world, but it was purchased in relatively small numbers. And the aging F-16 and F-15 counterparts will need a lot of expensive upgrades to remain relevant.

What the Air Force lacks in performance, it won't be making up for in quantity. Today it has only enough money to keep 55 combat-coded fighter squadrons operational (as opposed to the 134 squadrons they had back in 1991). Only half of those 55 are considered ready to go toe-to-toe with a peer opponent like Russia or China. According to a recent report from the RAND Corporation, the US hasn't had the capability to achieve 24/7 air dominance over China in a potential Taiwan Straits conflict since 2010 — something the US has been able to do in every conflict it has fought in the last quarter century.

Another report from the Center for Strategic and International Studies backs up the RAND report, arguing that in the Asia-Pacific region, the "balance of military power [is] shifting against the United States."

So how has the world's most lavishly funded air force gotten itself into such a pickle?

Way back in the day, when it was all about the US and Soviet Union battling over the fate of the human race, things in the high-tech killamajig industry followed a predictable pattern. One side would release a new piece of equipment, like a fighter or ship or whatever. Then the other side would learn about the new capabilities (real or imagined) of that equipment and come up with clever ways to beat it. Then they would incorporate those clever ways into their own next round of equipment, and the cycle would repeat.

The F-15 Eagle has been the US Air Force's fourth-generation fighter jet for the last few decades and was due to be replaced by the new fifth-generation F-22 Raptor. If things proceeded according to script, those several hundred F-22 aircraft would then be replaced by a fleet of brand-new sixth-generation fighter jets after a few decades, and so on.

Related:Do Israel's New Fighter Jets Mean Stealth Is Going Out of Style?

But instead of continuing to hold up its end in the battle for the future of humanity, the Soviet Union collapsed 25 years ago, ending the Cold War. Meanwhile, the US eventually found itself hip-deep in ugly wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that carried with them approximately zero likelihood of slugging it out head-to-head with a top-flight Russian or Chinese fighter.

So, in 2009, after years of criticism directed at the F-22 for being a shockingly expensive aircraft suited to a Cold War threat that had disappeared decades ago, then–Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and newly elected President Barack Obama decided to cap production at 187 aircraft. In 2012, production was shut down.

Unfortunately, a mere two years after the last F-22 rolled off the line, Russia executed the Great Crimean Heist in Ukraine and basically rebooted the Cold War. Meanwhile, China tried shoplifting the majority of the South China Sea and threatened to shoot anyone who had a problem with it. All of a sudden, the Pentagon is looking around and wishing it had a lot more top-notch fighter jets.

The Air Force's newest jet, the F-35, is still being hammered in the press. The F-35 was never built or intended to be a pure air superiority fighter; it's a multi-role aircraft that can shoot down other planes, but it doesn't specialize in it.

This all raised a question — why not turn the F-22 production line back on and start making more? The answer is, because that's one of those ideas that sounds perfectly doable in theory, but really sucks in practice. When a production line for something like the F-22 is shut down, it's shut down for good. For instance, even though the US built five Space Shuttles, deciding later to build a new one would have meant starting from scratch because shutdown involved scrapping tools, shredding documentation, and letting go of highly skilled workers.

When production of the F-22 was put on hold, lawmakers did tell the Pentagon to save as much of the stuff as they could in case the US decided it wanted more of them, though there are reports that everything is not nearly as well preserved as advertised. Regardless, the idea that the line could be restarted isn't beyond the realm of the possible.

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Lockheed Martin, the maker of the F-22, swears that it could get the production line up and running for a mere $200 million — though it doesn't say how much producing planes would cost. RAND suggests that restarting the line would cost about $560 million. That is a lot more. RAND also says that when you throw in the cost of 75 new aircraft, the total cost would be a cool $17 billion. That is really a lot more.

Roughly speaking, according to RAND, the first F-22 jets to come off the production line could run a bit shy of $200 million (in 2016 dollars) in "unit flyaway cost," which is basically the price of the plane itself and a portion of the tooling and machinery needed to make that plane. If production hadn't ever been shut down, however, those 75 jets would have cost roughly $150 million a pop, using the same measure.

Right now, the Air Force is saying that they're totally over the F-22 and want to focus on the new hotness, a sixth-generation replacement with the astonishingly bland name of Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) fighter. It was concerns about cost that put the F-22 in hot water to begin with, and a newer jet with even fancier stuff is not likely to be cheaper. Nevertheless, engineer and scientist types are getting all excited about a host of new technologies that they hope to see in a sixth-generation Fighter Jet of Tomorrow. Hypersonic speed that makes it impossible for air defenses to intercept, on-board lasers to fry incoming missiles —really neat and probably enormously expensive stuff.

It's reasonable to assume that all those new bells and whistles will probably cost a fortune and end up pushing deployment of a sixth-generation fighter closer to 2030. If that's the case, the only way the US will have enough aircraft to meet demands is by revamping the fleet of increasingly elderly fourth-generation aircraft like the F-15, which could be 60 years old by the time a new replacement hits the skies.

The Air Force is aware of this potential pitfall. During a modernization hearing held by the Senate Armed Services Committee, Lieutenant General James M. Holmes responded to these concerns, stating that, along with brand-new designs, the Air Force would be looking at adapting existing jets and doesn't plan to include any major new technological developments in its next fighter. This return to evolutionary weapons development, rather than hunting for revolutionary breakthroughs, has already been seen in the Air Force's new bomber, the B-21, and the Navy's Virginia-class submarine.

Related: Industry Giant Northrop Grumman Wins Big, Fat Contract For Big, Fat US Air Force Bomber

Folks have learned a great deal about stealth and made vast improvements in electronics since the F-22 was being designed back in the 1990s. So, if the US is thinking about restarting F-22 production, it couldn't hurt to spend a couple years upgrading the electronics, avionics, and stealthy bits. (The precedent for this was Ronald Reagan's restart of production of the B-1 bomber as the upgraded B-1B.)

This all sounds like a pretty reasonable deal: Upgrade the plane using the benefit of experience and new technology, write off a lot of the previous costs of the airplane to drive down the new sticker price, and voila! A brand-new top-end fighter jet to counter advanced Russian and Chinese jets.

However, if the Air Force restarted F-22 production or went to an upgraded F-22, it would almost certainly suck all the available funding away from development of a true sixth-generation fighter. And the longer the sixth-generation jet takes to produce, the more time enemy counter-stealth technology will have to erode the F-22's stealth advantage.

So the Air Force has three options: It can keep its ancient F-15s in the air a while longer with some upgrades until a brand-new replacement jet comes online. It can restart production of the existing F-22 to fill the gap until the next plane is ready. Or it can start production of an upgraded F-22.

And all of those alternatives suck in their own special ways.

Restarting the F-22 production line or upgrading it will delay the next-generation fighter, and in a world where stealth will be a less and less dominant technology, delaying the sixth-generation fighter is a lousy idea. But trying to focus on getting a new sixth-generation fighter and putting the F-22 to bed means the US could find itself at a severe disadvantage, pitting revamped but still ancient F-15s against newer, more modern Russian and Chinese jets for the next two decades.

At the margins, there may be ways to combine capabilities of aircraft like the F-35 and F-15 to make the F-15 more effective and make up for some of the shortfalls against modern Russian and Chinese aircraft, but that's a Band-Aid, not a proper solution.

So the Air Force is faced not with solutions, but with varying degrees of disappointment. Perversely enough, it may turn out that the most expensive decision made in the F-22 program was the decision to stop spending money on it.

https://news.vice.com/article/f-22-fighter-jet-production-line-pentagon-saving-money
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/03/2016 | 20:52 uur
Lockheed's long-running F-16 line in Fort Worth going cold

By James Drew, Washington DC | 18 March 2016

On the 45th anniversary of the F-16 lightweight fighter's first flight, Lockheed Martin faces the very real prospect of turning off "Fighting Falcon" production as prospective customers like Pakistan struggle to clear the US government's regulatory and funding processes.

After assembling more than 4,500 F-16s in almost 140 different configurations, the Fort Worth, Texas production line is thawing from hot to lukewarm and could go cold by "about the end of 2017" after Lockheed delivers the remaining seven of 36 Iraqi F-16IQs.

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Iraqi F-16IQ
US Air Force

Lockheed's F-16 programme chief Susan Ouzts said this week that several countries have expressed a strong preference for the F-16 to the US government but the nearest opportunity is an almost $700 million deal with Pakistan for eight Block 52 jets powered by Pratt &Whitney F100-229s.

It recently cleared a 30-day notification period in Congress after being approved by the US State Department in February, but concerns about the "foreign military financing" of the arms package means Pakistan may need to come up with the money on its own.

"We are working hour by hour, day by day with the US government to try and get through the political wickets," says Ouzts. "There's still a hoop of what's affordable from a Pakistan-fully funded programme perspective. We're anticipating that before the end of May we will have a positive indication back from Pakistan that they are buying some quantity of jets that we hope is eight."

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General Dynamics YF-16 over Edwards AFB, California in 1974
US Air Force

Lockheed has already begun procuring vital long-lead components in the hope of securing another contract, but without locking in new customers soon, production will be turned off next year.

"If we started a contract tomorrow there would still be a few months of gap," says Ouzts. Asked if Lockheed would consider funding a handful of new aircraft itself as Boeing did before its C-17 line closed, Ouzts says "we haven't gone that far" yet.

"There would always be a consideration of that depending on the opportunity in the future for us," she says. "We are certainly making sure any really long-lead or any items that would be a high risk of obtaining, that we're staying in close contact with those subcontractors or are procuring parts."

Lockheed finds itself at a crossroads with the F-16 as it seeks to extend production indefinitely while also push investment in its fifth-generation F-35 Lightning II, which is currently being procured in far smaller quantities than the company expected due to its high cost and development delays.

At peak production in 1987, under the stewardship of General Dynamics, which sold its aircraft manufacturing business to Lockheed in 1993, Fort Worth was pumping out one aircraft per day. Last year, Lockheed delivered just 11 aircraft, down 35% from the 17 delivered in 2014.

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F-16V features a modern cockpit and new AESA fire control radar. It first flew in October 2015 and is offered as an upgrade option or new-build
Lockheed Martin

The latest "Viper" variant, the F-16V, which first flew in October, will become only an upgrade option if Lockheed can't find a buyer quickly.

"There will be some amount of loss for us, of ungained opportunity," says Ouzts. "We still believe the F-16 is incredibly relevant."

She notes that some fighter customers simply can't afford the F-35 or don't need its advanced stealth fighting capabilities. The US government has also promised not to export the Lightning II to any nation in the Middle East except Israel.

"The [F-16] quantities could be fairly significant; it just depends on getting it started and getting the ball rolling," she says.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheeds-long-running-f-16-line-in-fort-worth-goin-423293/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/03/2016 | 21:19 uur

Paris acknowledges India may not purchase Rafale

Build F-16 in India and supply it to Pakistan, taunts a French official

Ajai Shukla  |  New Delhi 

March 19, 2016

Paris is beginning to acknowledge the possibility that India might not buy the Rafale fighter because of sharp differences over the price, and New Delhi's insistence on enforceable guarantees regarding the fighter's delivery, performance and availability.

A senior French official with a close view of the on-going negotiations between New Delhi and Paris for 36 Rafale fighters told Business Standard on condition of anonymity: "If some people in the MoD (the ministry of defence) do not want to allow the Rafale deal to go through, so be it. We are currently building it for Egypt and Qatar, and we could have another customer in Malaysia."

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Underlining the irritation at repeated US offers to set up an assembly line in India to build the American F-16 Super Viper, the French official taunted: "If you don't want the Rafale, go ahead and build the F-16 here. You can build it in India and supply it to Pakistan also."

He was referring to Washington's announcement last month of the sale to Pakistan of eight advanced Block 50/52 F-16 fighters for $699 million. Simultaneously, a senior Lockheed Martin official had publicly offered to "move our [F-16] production line from the US to India".

Reminded that France, too, was supplying submarines to both India and Pakistan (DCNS is building six Scorpene submarines with Mazagon Dock, after earlier selling Pakistan three advanced Agosta-90B submarines with air independent propulsion), he retorted, "That is different. Pakistan is getting a different submarine from what we are providing to India."

The official dismissed the notion that an Indian order was critical for Dassault to break-even in the Rafale project, in which tens of billion euros have been spent on developing the fighter and establishing a production line. The official claimed, "The Rafale project is commercially viable based on the numbers that the French military requires, even if there is not a single export order."

In fact, defence budget cuts have forced the French military to slash Rafale orders from over 300 originally planned to only 180 ordered so far. That is a small order, given that the Eurofighter Typhoon has over 700 aircraft on order; while more than 4,500 F-16s have been built over the years.

On New Delhi's demands for sovereign guarantees from the French government, or a bank guarantee from Dassault, to cover the possibility of delivery or performance shortfalls in the Rafale, the official declared the two countries would soon sign an inter-governmental agreement (IGA), which would function as a sovereign guarantee.

"The government of France is standing behind the sale. Surely, India is not asking for a bank guarantee when it has the word of the French government?" asked the official.

When it was pointed out that the IGA would only outline a supply agreement in broad terms, without detailed binding clauses and penalties, the official responded that the IGA was a strategic agreement between Paris and New Delhi, and that "a phrase here or a sentence there would make no difference."

"In 1917, when the United States abandoned its isolationism and sent a division of troops to France to fight in World War I, it was not because there was some document with a clause that required them to fight. It was because of a common strategic aim. New Delhi and Paris must have a common strategic aim on the Rafale."

French officials argue that if Dassault is required to provide a bank guarantee against possible shortfalls in delivery and performance, India should cover that cost, which is normally three-four per cent of the guarantee amount.

Meanwhile, the Cost Negotiation Committee on the Rafale has made little headway in bridging the gap between the French demand and Indian counter-offer, which are believed to be around euro 12 billion and euro 9 billion, respectively. Issues of liability are further complicating the likelihood of a deal soon.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi, while visiting Paris last April, had requested for 36 Rafales, after a breakdown in negotiations for a much larger order for 126 Rafales. The Indian Air Force had chosen the Rafale on January 31, 2012, after an exhaustive evaluation of six fighter aircraft.

http://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/paris-acknowledges-india-may-not-purchase-rafale-116031700447_1.html#.VuxZCdnCfsA.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/03/2016 | 11:42 uur
Skunk Works pushes investment in F-22 and F-35 over new aircraft

By James Drew, Washington DC | 18 March 2016

Lockheed Martin has warned against rushing into a sixth-generation fighter programme without first boosting F-35 Lightning II numbers and implementing a "robust" modernisation programme to keep fifth-generation F-22s and F-35s capable against new counter-air threats.

The Pentagon has plans to buy 2,443 F-35s, but the programme has been delayed by six years and almost doubled in cost compared to projections in 2001 because of problems during development.

However, Lockheed's Skunks Works chief says once fully fielded, the combination of F-22s and F-35s will achieve the air dominance that America desires for the next 30 to 40 years.

"The quicker we can get a force structure that's heavily populated by fifth-generation airplanes the better," says Rob Weiss, who has led Lockheed's advanced development programmes office since 2013. "We should minimise the investment in fourth-generation airplanes: nothing beyond what is needed to maintain the force structure because obviously fourth-generation airplanes aren't leaving the force structure immediately."

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US Air Force

His comments, made at a Lockheed media event in Washington DC this week, come as the air force and navy conduct an analysis of their future "air dominance" needs, more specifically, something to replace the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet and perhaps F-15.

The two services are working together on common components, like propulsion systems and defensive suites, but will likely press forward with separate fighter platforms tailored to their different needs.

The air force has suggested that some companies, like Lockheed, might push block upgrades of existing aircraft as an air dominance solution instead of an entirely new aircraft, but Northrop Grumman and Boeing need some way to break back into the high-end combat jet market.

Northrop builds F-35 centre fuselages and has the B-21 strategic bomber contract, but Boeing has nothing to succeed the F/A-18 and F-15 at its military aircraft plant in St Louis, Missouri since its X-32 lost to the F-35 for the "winner-takes-all" Joint Strike Fighter contract in 2001.

Lockheed, now playing from a position of fifth-generation strength, is calling for a three-pronged approach to future fighter furnishing: procure the total number of F-35s faster, implement a more aggressive modernisation strategy for the F-22 and F-35, and spend more time maturing "revolutionary" sixth-generation capabilities before committing to a new aircraft programme.

"As we look at F-22s and F-35s, those airplanes have the capacity to maintain an advantage over the threat for the next 30, 35 to 40 years but it requires a modernisation roadmap, just like we've done with every other airplane in history, to maintain their advantage relative to the threat," says Weiss. "The pace is, in my view, too slow."

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US Air Force

The long-time Lockheed aeronautics executive says the US services could also make better use of the capabilities they have through human-machine teaming and the pairing of assets through "distributed networks capable of surviving in contested environments".

This could mean capabilities like the so-called arsenal plane that would essentially be an airborne standoff weapon storehouse that would launch volleys of missiles targeted by front-line fighters with targeting pods and sensors. It could also mean cooperative unmanned teammates like the Boeing QF-16 flying alongside manned fast jets.

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Unmanned QF-16 Target Drone
US Air Force/Boeing

"The way to get there is to start operating manned and unmanned systems together," he says. "That's another area of modernising what we have; not necessarily having to design a whole lot of new systems, but enhancing the capability we do have, and that includes, by the way, some artificial intelligence or machine learning, and there's some of that we're doing."

Weiss pointed to the recent victory of a Google-developed artificial intelligence algorithm over the grand master of the ancient Chinese strategy game "Go" as an example of the type of machine learning that Lockheed is pursuing. The company will demonstrate its AI capabilities "in a warfighting environment" later this year, he says.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/skunk-works-pushes-investment-in-f-22-and-f-35-over-423298/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/03/2016 | 20:30 uur
SAAB Gripen program update

Dennis Spronk | 17 March 2016

During the annual Saab Gripen seminar, which was held on Thursday 17 March, Ulf Nilsson, head of Saab business area Aeronautics, and Richard Smith, head of Gripen marketing and sale, gave an update on the status on various developments on the Gripen.

.../...

Zie onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://airheadsfly.com/2016/03/17/saab-gripen-program-update/

Het artikel vermeldt dat Saab meedoet aan de Finse tender met 40 stuks (ter vervanging van oorspronkelijk 64 F-18C/D Hornets) en meedoet aan de Belgische tender met 30-36 stuks. Dat zijn toch wel kwantiteiten waar je u tegen zegt  :(
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/03/2016 | 20:53 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 20/03/2016 | 20:30 uur
Het artikel vermeldt dat Saab meedoet aan de Finse tender met 40 stuks (ter vervanging van oorspronkelijk 64 F-18C/D Hornets) en meedoet aan de Belgische tender met 30-36 stuks. Dat zijn toch wel kwantiteiten waar je u tegen zegt  :(

Het bevestigt wederom dat W-Europa slechts wisselgeld voor haar defensie overheeft...

Had men in NL gekozen voor de Gripen E/F dan zou een Fins-Belgische aantal ook aannemelijk zijn geweest.... al zijn velen op dit forum er van overtuigd dat het er dan 85 zouden zijn geworden....

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Micheltje op 20/03/2016 | 20:59 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/03/2016 | 20:53 uur
Het bevestigt wederom dat W-Europa slechts wisselgeld voor haar defensie overheeft...

Had men in NL gekozen voor de Gripen E/F dan zou een Fins-Belgische aantal ook aannemelijk zijn geweest.... al zijn velen op dit forum er van overtuigd dat het er dan 85 zouden zijn geworden....

Het zullen er dan denk ik wel veel meer zijn geworden
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 20/03/2016 | 21:12 uur
30-36 voor Belgie...
Als dat waar is moeten "we" niet eens meer kijken naar de F-35A.
Want als er slechts geld is voor zo'n beperkt aantal Gripens, dan is die LM-kist onbetaalbaar  :)

En die zou men dan nog (naar aloude verdeelsleutel) willen stationeren op twee basissen (eentje in het noorden en eentje in het zuiden van het land).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/03/2016 | 21:23 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 20/03/2016 | 21:12 uur
30-36 voor Belgie...
Als dat waar is moeten "we" niet eens meer kijken naar de F-35A.
Want als er slechts geld is voor zo'n beperkt aantal Gripens, dan is die LM-kist onbetaalbaar  :)

En die zou men dan nog (naar aloude verdeelsleutel) willen stationeren op twee basissen (eentje in het noorden en eentje in het zuiden van het land).

Zo komt mijn voorspellen van 20-24 F35A voor BE toch wel angstvallig in de richting.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/03/2016 | 21:50 uur
Citaat van: Micheltje op 20/03/2016 | 20:59 uur
Het zullen er dan denk ik wel veel meer zijn geworden

Daar heeft niemand mij tot nu toe van kunnen overtuigen.

Al zou een 2e batch in de jaren twintig natuurlijk tot de mogelijkheden kunnen behoren (iets wat ook geldt voor de F35A)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/03/2016 | 21:57 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/03/2016 | 21:23 uur
Zo komt mijn voorspellen van 20-24 F35A voor BE toch wel angstvallig in de richting.

En dan te bedenken dat Noorwegen voor 52 x F-35A gaat.

Afwachten wat de Rafale kwantiteit voor de Belgische tender zal worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Micheltje op 20/03/2016 | 22:16 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/03/2016 | 21:50 uur
Daar heeft niemand mij tot nu toe van kunnen overtuigen.

Al zou een 2e batch in de jaren twintig natuurlijk tot de mogelijkheden kunnen behoren (iets wat ook geldt voor de F35A)

Eerst maar eens de 2 mljd uitspraak afwachten
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 20/03/2016 | 22:19 uur
Citaat van: Micheltje op 20/03/2016 | 22:16 uur
Eerst maar eens de 2 mljd uitspraak afwachten
En wat heeft die te maken met de strekking van dit topic?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/03/2016 | 22:50 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 20/03/2016 | 21:57 uur
En dan te bedenken dat Noorwegen voor 52 x F-35A gaat.

Afwachten wat de Rafale kwantiteit voor de Belgische tender zal worden.

Als ik zie wat de huidige export klanten betalen.... dan kan je het zelf uittekenen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 20/03/2016 | 22:51 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 20/03/2016 | 21:57 uur
En dan te bedenken dat Noorwegen voor 52 x F-35A gaat.

Afwachten wat de Rafale kwantiteit voor de Belgische tender zal worden.
Als de Belgen voor de Gripen een tender voor 30-36 toestellen verwachten zal dat voor de Rafale ook om 30-36 toestellen gaan...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/03/2016 | 23:02 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 20/03/2016 | 22:51 uur
Als de Belgen voor de Gripen een tender voor 30-36 toestellen verwachten zal dat voor de Rafale ook om 30-36 toestellen gaan...

Dat denk ik ook, iets wat zal gelden voor alle types in de competitie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Micheltje op 20/03/2016 | 23:21 uur
Citaat van: Lex op 20/03/2016 | 22:19 uur
En wat heeft die te maken met de strekking van dit topic?

Wel dan kan men verder gaan kijken qua ontwikkeling/aanschaffing meer toestellen of een andere type
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 21/03/2016 | 10:15 uur
Citaat van: Micheltje op 20/03/2016 | 23:21 uur
Wel dan kan men verder gaan kijken qua ontwikkeling/aanschaffing meer toestellen of een andere type
Als die 2 miljard er komt hebben we die hard nodig voor: bezuinigingen opheffen, personeelstekort oplossen, munitie- en onderdelenvoorraden aanvullen, oefenbudget verhogen en een fatsoenlijk budget voor de vervangingsprojecten van de KM.
Capaciteiten terughalen/vergroten zoals bvb terugkeer tank, extra fregatten en meer F-35's kan pas bij 3 miljard of meer.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/03/2016 | 10:29 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 21/03/2016 | 10:15 uur
Als die 2 miljard er komt hebben we die hard nodig voor: bezuinigingen opheffen, personeelstekort oplossen, munitie- en onderdelenvoorraden aanvullen, oefenbudget verhogen en een fatsoenlijk budget voor de vervangingsprojecten van de KM.
Capaciteiten terughalen/vergroten zoals bvb terugkeer tank, extra fregatten en meer F-35's kan pas bij 3 miljard of meer.

1. Het gaat om 2 mjd STRUCTUREEL (1.43%BNP)
2. Ik vrees slechts verkiezingsretoriek.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Micheltje op 21/03/2016 | 10:34 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 21/03/2016 | 10:15 uur
Als die 2 miljard er komt hebben we die hard nodig voor: bezuinigingen opheffen, personeelstekort oplossen, munitie- en onderdelenvoorraden aanvullen, oefenbudget verhogen en een fatsoenlijk budget voor de vervangingsprojecten van de KM.
Capaciteiten terughalen/vergroten zoals bvb terugkeer tank, extra fregatten en meer F-35's kan pas bij 3 miljard of meer.

2 mljd structureel betekent op de lange termijn meer dan alleen dit bedrag
Hiermee hoef je niet alleen problemen mee op te lossen want je moet weer opbouwen
Zo kun je je investeringsprojecten naar voren halen.
Personeel hoeft niet gelijk want veel orders hebben meer dan een jaar nodig om dit af te ronde
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 21/03/2016 | 10:46 uur
Ik denk niet dat de evt 2 miljard voor Def de internationale fighter ontwikkelingen ontzettend gaat beïnvloeden. Als je dat wel denkt is dat een behoorlijk geval van misperceptie of grootheidswaanzin.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 21/03/2016 | 11:56 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 21/03/2016 | 10:46 uur
Ik denk niet dat de evt 2 miljard voor Def de internationale fighter ontwikkelingen ontzettend gaat beïnvloeden. Als je dat wel denkt is dat een behoorlijk geval van misperceptie of grootheidswaanzin.
+1
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/03/2016 | 14:02 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/03/2016 | 21:23 uur
Zo komt mijn voorspellen van 20-24 F35A voor BE toch wel angstvallig in de richting.

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/03/2016 | 23:02 uur
Dat denk ik ook, iets wat zal gelden voor alle types in de competitie.

Dan kan 20-24 dus ook worden vervangen door 30-36. Het zou wat zijn als 36 Rafale F3(R) net zoveel zouden kosten als 36 Gripen E/F  8)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 21/03/2016 | 15:09 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 21/03/2016 | 10:15 uur
Als die 2 miljard er komt hebben we die hard nodig voor: bezuinigingen opheffen, personeelstekort oplossen, munitie- en onderdelenvoorraden aanvullen, oefenbudget verhogen en een fatsoenlijk budget voor de vervangingsprojecten van de KM.
Capaciteiten terughalen/vergroten zoals bvb terugkeer tank, extra fregatten en meer F-35's kan pas bij 3 miljard of meer.
Dat van meer F-35's laat maar...als we daar aan gaan beginnen is het geld zo op.

Ik zie liever weer een sterke landmacht..met twee top-brigades ! dus tanks terug....en de geeft de Marine 3 extra Fregatten erbij.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: DvdW op 21/03/2016 | 15:13 uur
Daar gaan we weer.....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/03/2016 | 15:34 uur
En weer een type dat nu compleet wereldwijd buiten dienst is gesteld.

Navy Bids Farewell to Spectacular Sea Harrier Jump Jets After 33 Yrs

By Rajat Pandit, Ties of India | March 21, 2016

NEW DELHI --- They were always a sight to behold, a force to reckon with. Fighters landing vertically, akin to helicopters, with ear-splitting roars on a moving airfield despite being fixed-wing. It left even the usually phlegmatic Manmohan Singh slightly nonplussed during the "PM's day at sea" in 2006. Similar was the case of other politicians, before and after him, like A B Vajpayee and L K Advani.

But the old must give way to the new. Ahead of the 56-year-old aircraft carrier INS Viraat's retirement later this year, the Navy has bid adieu to its eyeball-grabbing Sea Harrier "jump jets" after 33 years of yeomen service.

The force, after all, now has its first supersonic fighters in 30 MiG-29Ks - out of the 45 contracted from Russia for over $2 billion - for INS Vikramaditya and the under-construction indigenous carrier INS Vikrant.

Navy inducted 30 of the British-origin Sea Harriers from 1983 onwards, but only 11 "air frames" are left now due to old age, lack of spares and cannibalisation as well as accidents over the years. "They have flown their last. The six Sea Harriers on board INS Viraat, which has returned to Mumbai from her final operational journey to the International Fleet Review last month, disembarked from the carrier on March 6," said an officer.

The 11 Sea Harriers are now mothballed at naval air station INS Hansa in Goa before being distributed as museum pieces to different establishments. "Their pilots are going for career advancement courses or MiG-29K conversion training," he said.

Interestingly, Sea Harriers were part of INAS 300 (Indian naval air squadron 300) nicknamed the 'White Tigers'. And much like the feline genetic oddity, a Sea Harrier stood apart, capable as it was of VTOL (vertical take-off and landing) operations.

"Harriers were certainly unconventional in their vertical landing, even though they usually took-off from the angled ski-jump on INS Viraat. With time, their production was stopped in the UK. The British Royal Navy also retired its Sea Harriers in 2006," said another officer.

The White Tigers squadron will now hibernate till it's re-commissioned with MiG-29Ks for INS Vikrant, which is slated to be ready by 2018-19. Incidentally, INS Vikramaditya's MiG-29K squadron INAS 303 is christened 'Black Panthers'.

Though the Sea Harriers had an operational speed of 640 knots or 1,186 kmph, with a range of around 800 nautical miles, they fell short of exceeding the speed of sound at Mach 1 or 1,235 kmph. They did undergo a "limited upgrade" some years ago, including being fitted with Israeli Elta EL/M-2032 multi-mode fire control radars and 'Derby' beyond visual range air-to-air missiles, but have outlived their utility. "MiG-29Ks give us a four-fold capability jump over Sea Harriers," an officer said.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/172317/indian-navy-retires-sea-harriers-after-33-years.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/03/2016 | 15:38 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 21/03/2016 | 14:02 uur
Dan kan 20-24 dus ook worden vervangen door 30-36. Het zou wat zijn als 36 Rafale F3(R) net zoveel zouden kosten als 36 Gripen E/F  8)

Wel nee, kwestie van extrapoleren in de onderhandelingen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 21/03/2016 | 16:21 uur
Citaat van: Micheltje op 21/03/2016 | 10:34 uur
Personeel hoeft niet gelijk want veel orders hebben meer dan een jaar nodig om dit af te ronde
Hoezo?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Micheltje op 21/03/2016 | 20:30 uur
Citaat van: Lex op 21/03/2016 | 16:21 uur
Hoezo?

Voorbeeld:

Een fregat bouw je in 5 a 6 jaar?
Personeel leid je vaak in 1 tot 2 jaar op (AMO en Functioneel)
Dit vergt niet zoveel verhoudings gewijs
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 21/03/2016 | 20:42 uur
Citaat van: Micheltje op 21/03/2016 | 20:30 uur
Voorbeeld:

Een fregat bouw je in 5 a 6 jaar?
Personeel leid je vaak in 1 tot 2 jaar op (AMO en Functioneel)
Dit vergt niet zoveel verhoudings gewijs
Ik bedoelde in mijn post het oplossen van het personeelstekort en dingen als salarisverhoging om de uitstroom terug te dringen. Niet de uitbreiding die je nodig hebt als je nieuw materiaal aanschaft.
Verder blijft een fregat bijna 30 jaar het personeel over het algemeen niet, dus je moet continu nieuw personeel hebben.

Personeel is een van de belangrijkste ingrediënten van defensie en is ook heel zwaar getroffen door de bezuinigingen, dit is een van de dingen die als eerste moet worden aangepakt als de ergste gaten gedicht zijn.
defensie moet weer een aantrekkelijke werkgever worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 21/03/2016 | 20:53 uur
Citaat van: Micheltje op 21/03/2016 | 20:30 uur
Voorbeeld:

Een fregat bouw je in 5 a 6 jaar?
Personeel leid je vaak in 1 tot 2 jaar op (AMO en Functioneel)
Dit vergt niet zoveel verhoudings gewijs
Lees de posting van JDL. Dat geeft een hele andere benadering.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 21/03/2016 | 22:51 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 21/03/2016 | 15:34 uur
En weer een type dat nu compleet wereldwijd buiten dienst is gesteld.

Dat heeft er mee te maken dat er plannen zijn voor een buitengebruikstelling van de INS Viraat zonder deze heeft de Indiaanse marine geen platform meer om de Harriers te gebruiken.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ins-viraat-to-be-decommissioned-in-2016/article6884261.ece

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/ins-viraat-to-be-a-luxury-hotel/article8270547.ece
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/03/2016 | 13:11 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 21/03/2016 | 22:51 uur
Dat heeft er mee te maken dat er plannen zijn voor een buitengebruikstelling van de INS Viraat zonder deze heeft de Indiaanse marine geen platform meer om de Harriers te gebruiken.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ins-viraat-to-be-decommissioned-in-2016/article6884261.ece

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/ins-viraat-to-be-a-luxury-hotel/article8270547.ece

Dat wat de INS Viraat betreft, begrijp ik. Eens komt er een einde aan de INS Viraat (v/h HMS Hermes) en deze is al sinds 1959 in gebruik.

Wat ik wilde aangeven, is dat er straks geen eerste generatie Harrier of de afgeleide Sea Harrier operationeel worden gebruikt. Er zullen dan alleen nog de AV-8B Harrier II en de hiervan afgeleide versies in gebruik zijn. Toch een einde van een tijdperk.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/03/2016 | 13:15 uur
Italy doubles order for M-346 jet trainers

By Dominic Perry, London | 22 March 2016

Italy has placed a follow-on order worth €300 million ($336 million) for an additional nine Aermacchi M-346 advanced jet trainers.

The deal doubles the number of Honeywell F124-powered aircraft ordered for the Italian air force, which uses the designation T-346A. Delivery of the new trainers is to begin this year and will be complete by 2018.

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Italian air force

The contract also includes logistics support and a further, unspecified development effort for a wider integrated training system. The latter includes the digital training aids and simulators located at Lecce-Galatina air base.

A total of 68 M-346s have now been ordered by four nations: Italy (18), Israel (30), Poland (8 ) and Singapore (12).

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/italy-doubles-order-for-m-346-jet-trainers-423395/

Edit. Janes geeft meer info over de bewapening.

As well as being an advanced jet trainer aircraft, the M-346 can also double-up as a light attack platform if required. Fitted with nine hardpoints (four under each wing and one on the centreline for an optional cannon pod), the M-346 can carry a range of 'dumb' and 'smart' munitions, such as Mk 82/83/84 unguided bombs and GBU-12/16 and Opher Mk 82 guided bombs. It can also carry six Durandal anti-runway dispensers, four BRD-4 or LAU-7/LAU-5002/LAU-32 rocket pods, four AIM-9 Sidewinder AAMs, four AGM-65 Maverick ASMs, or four Brimstone anti-armour/low-collateral missiles.

http://www.janes.com/article/58948/italy-increases-m-346-jet-trainer-buy
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/03/2016 | 13:31 uur
Historic Super Etendard's final carrier launch

By Marcel Burger | 21 March 2016

The combat backbone for decades of French Naval Aviation, the Dassault-Breguet Super Étendard, made its final carrier launch of its service carreer last week when aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle returned home in the port of Toulon on Thursday 17 March 2016.

.../...

Zie onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://airheadsfly.com/2016/03/21/historic-super-etendards-final-carrier-launch/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 22/03/2016 | 19:14 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/03/2016 | 12:44 uur
USAF postpones T-X solicitation release

Marina Malenic, Washington, DC - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly | 23 March 2016

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The USAF has delayed release of an RfP for T-X, which is expected to replace its legacy T-38s (pictured). Source: IHS/Patrick Allen

The US Air Force (USAF) has delayed the planned opening of its T-X fighter trainer competition by three months in order to further refine the request for proposals (RfP).

"The programme office now anticipates an RfP release in late December 2016 to ensure the release of a well-defined RfP," according to an 18 March notice on the Federal Business Opportunities website. As a result, full operational capability (FOC) has been delayed by two years until 2034 in order to "align the production schedule with the air force strategic planning", according to the notice. Initial operational capability (IOC) remains unchanged at 2024.

The USAF is planning to replace its Northrop T-38 Talon trainer fleet with 350 new aircraft. Since the Pentagon will use T-X aircraft to train pilots to fly the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter, the contract could prove valuable in capturing additional orders from international F-35 customers.

At least three industry teams are expected to compete for the contract. Raytheon in February announced plans to join Finmeccanica and CAE to offer the T-100, while Lockheed Martin and Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI) have put forth the T-50A. Northrop Grumman and a Boeing/Saab team have said, separately, that they will offer new designs for the competition.

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http://www.janes.com/article/58984/usaf-postpones-t-x-solicitation-release
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/03/2016 | 09:06 uur
Software fix readied to prevent further F-35 delay

By Stephen Trimble Washington DC | 24 March 2016

Flight tests starting next week will determine whether a key milestone for the US Air Force version of the Lockheed Martin F-35A will be delayed only four months or perhaps even longer, programme officials say.

The USAF had planned to stand-up the first F-35A squadron and declare initial operational capability (IOC) in August. But a planned computer processor upgrade late last year destabilized the software that connects mission systems, such as the radar, to the flight computer.

"What the pilots are seeing is when they take-off and they need to use the sensors, particularly the radar, the communication between the radar and the computer is mistimed," says Lt Gen Chris Bogdan, the F-35 programme executive, speaking at the House Armed Services subcommittee on tactical air and land forces on 23 March.

As timing delays pile up, the radar enters a degraded mode or shuts down completely, he says, requiring several minutes to restart. The software causes a sensor to shut down an average of once every 4h, he adds.

The US Marine Corps declared IOC with the F-35B model last summer with Block 2B software, offering the bare minimum of weapons and manoeuvring authority. A few months later, Lockheed introduced the Block 3I standard, which re-hosts the Block 2B software on a more advanced computer processor. The USAF plans to announce IOC with the next software upgrade called Block 3F, which would the F-35 to carry a full complement of weapons and enable the full flight envelope.

Although no new functionality was added, rehosting the Block 2B software on the Block 3I hardware caused the failure rate to soar from once every 30h to once every 4h. "The complexity of that re-hosting should not be understated," says Sean Stackley, assistant secretary of the navy for acquisition.

In the long-term, the programme hopes to return to the Block 2B level of stability, but in the interim the goal is more modest. For IOC, the USAF would accept Block 3F software with an average system failure rate of once every 8-10h, Stackley says.

A software patch developed for the Block 3I standard will enter flight testing next week. If failure rate improves to the 8-10h threshold, the impact on the USAF IOC schedule will be "minimal", Bogdan says.

But the next challenge will be introducing the Block 3F software, which adds significant new functions for operating the sensors, weapons and flight controls.

"We are wary that further issues will emerge," Stackley says.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/software-fix-readied-to-prevent-further-f-35-delay-423497/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/03/2016 | 07:27 uur
F-35 Will Fly Until 2070 — Six Years Longer Than Planned

Lara Seligman, Defense News - March 24, 2016

WASHINGTON — The F-35 joint strike fighter will fly until 2070, reflecting a decision by the US armed services to extend the operational life of the fleet by six years.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2016/03/24/f-35-fly-until-2070-six-years-longer-than-planned/82224282/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/03/2016 | 09:08 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/03/2016 | 07:27 uur
F-35 Will Fly Until 2070 — Six Years Longer Than Planned

Lara Seligman, Defense News - March 24, 2016

WASHINGTON — The F-35 joint strike fighter will fly until 2070, reflecting a decision by the US armed services to extend the operational life of the fleet by six years.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2016/03/24/f-35-fly-until-2070-six-years-longer-than-planned/82224282/

Nog even en de kleinkinderen vliegen op hetzelfde jachtvliegtuigtype  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/03/2016 | 09:37 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 25/03/2016 | 09:08 uur
Nog even en de kleinkinderen vliegen op hetzelfde jachtvliegtuigtype  ;D

Dat dan weer wel....

Maar kijk een naar de F16:  eerste productie kisten eind jaren zeventig van de vorige eeuw, laatste productiekisten vermoedelijk rond eind dit decennium (afgerond 40 jaar) en dan vliegen de laatste productiekisten nog minimaal 30 jaar (we zitten al op 70 jaar)... tel hierbij de ontwikkelfase en de uitloop en we gaan richting 80 jaar F16.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/03/2016 | 09:50 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/03/2016 | 09:37 uur
Dat dan weer wel....

Maar kijk een naar de F16:  eerste productie kisten eind jaren zeventig van de vorige eeuw, laatste productiekisten vermoedelijk rond eind dit decennium (afgerond 40 jaar) en dan vliegen de laatste productiekisten nog minimaal 30 jaar (we zitten al op 70 jaar)... tel hierbij de ontwikkelfase en de uitloop en we gaan richting 80 jaar F16.

En dan te bedenken dat lang geleden een type soms al na 5 jaar ver over datum was.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/03/2016 | 10:04 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 25/03/2016 | 09:50 uur
En dan te bedenken dat lang geleden een type soms al na 5 jaar ver over datum was.

Maar toen had je voldoende verschillende types met een overlap.... nu is het wel heel eenzijdig geworden en persoonlijk vind ik dat er overlappende cycli moeten zijn om innovatief en zijn, up to date te blijven en de concurrentie scherp te houden...

Daarnaast: het voorkomt een boeggolf en minder geschreeuw over, bijvoorbeeld, de kosten van het F35 programma en had je de 378 miljard US dollar kunnen verdelen over een aantal programma's.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/03/2016 | 09:29 uur
Slimmed-down F-35 Gen III helmet to be introduced sooner

By James Drew, Washington DC | 29 March 2016

The Pentagon is bullish about resolving issues with the F-35 Lightning II's escape system that has restricted lightweight pilots of from flying the fifth-generation combat jet, with the joint programme office (JPO) now expecting delivery of a slimmed-down "Gen 3" helmet from Rockwell Collins by November for rollout in 2017.

One US Air Force pilot was transferred to the F-22 Raptor last year after sled tests of the Lockheed Martin F-35's emergency escape system revealed "unacceptable" loads and stresses on mannequin weighing 47kg (103lb) and 62kg (136lb) when ejecting with the newly delivered third-generation helmet. Those loads might break a human pilot's neck or cause serious injury.

Fixes include a switch on the Martin Baker US16E (MK16) ejection seat that delays the parachute's opening "by milliseconds" when occupied by a lightweight pilot, plus a head support panel sewn between the parachute risers. However, a weight reduction for the third-generation helmet from 2.3kg (5.1lb) to 2.1kg (4.6lb) has also been required.

Estimates in February predicted that a helmet solution, which uses lighter-weight materials and has detachable day and night visors, would have lagged ejection seat modifications by "eight to nine months". Lockheed, Rockwell and other suppliers have since promised to deliver it sooner, officials say.

"We'll have our first Gen 3 light helmets now aligned with the seat in November of 2016, so we can remove the restriction for the lightweight pilots weighing under 136lb," Bogdan said at a forum in Washington DC earlier this month. "We've tested helmets with similar mass properties, and we think it's going to work."

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F-35 Gen III Helmet Mounted Display System
Lockheed Martin

On 29 March, the programme office confirmed that November delivery date, and said one test asset is already on hand to validate that a reduced weight helmet will indeed reduce the likelihood of a serious neck injury during ejection, in combination with Martin-Baker's seat modifications.

"Those three fixes will be in place this year," a spokesman says. Those changes will be gradually rolled out across the fleet and cut into aircraft production beginning in 2017.

The heavier, third generation Helmet Mounted Display System (HMDS) replaces a less-capable model and both are produced by Rockwell Collins and Elbit Systems of America's Vision Systems International joint venture. The first operational third-generation helmet was delivered in August.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/slimmed-down-f-35-gen-iii-helmet-to-be-introduced-so-423620/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 30/03/2016 | 09:59 uur
FIDAE 2016: Textron aims to crash Latin American fighter market with Scorpion 
(ook de Russen en de Chinesen zullen zeker van zich laten horen en misschien nog wel een succesje voor Saab's Gripen)

Textron AirLand is showcasing its Scorpion to the Latin American market at the FIDAE Airshow for the first time as the company looks to secure its elusive launch customer for the multirole aircraft. The twin-seat, twin-engined jet is being displayed at the event, running at Comodoro Arturo Merino Benítez International Airport from 29 March to 3 April.

First revealed in September 2013, the Scorpion has been developed to suit mission sets including counterinsurgency (COIN), border patrol, maritime surveillance, counter-narcotics, and air defence, in a package set to cost no more than USD20 million to procure and USD3,000 per hour to operate.

Textron AirLand has built the platform around a 2.3 m 3 payload bay in the centre of its fuselage that can accept a variety of sensors and weapons systems, depending on the mission. The Scorpion also has six underwing hardpoints - three on each side - to carry additional sensors, fuel, or weapons such as the Textron G-CLAW and Textron/Thales Fury guided glide munitions.

Company-supplied performance specifications give the Scorpion a top speed of 450 kt, a service ceiling of 45,000 ft, and a ferry range of 4,450 km. The aircraft's combination of speed, range/endurance, and large weapons payload along with its integrated yet modular sensor package and its affordable procurement and operating costs make it a highly promising solution for the light fighter/strike market.

For cash-strapped Latin America, the Scorpion is a particularly attractive option, given that it can perform the vast majority of tasks that regional air arms usually demand on their combat fleets, but at a fraction of the procurement, operating, and sustainment costs of more advanced types. IHS Jane's Markets Forecast projects a future Latin American requirement of 285 fighter aircraft out to 2025, valued at USD12.5 billion.

http://www.janes.com/article/59072/fidae-2016-textron-aims-to-crash-latin-american-fighter-market-with-scorpion
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/03/2016 | 11:34 uur
FIDAE 2016: Saab touts Gripen to Latin American fighter market

Gareth Jennings, Santiago - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly | 29 March 2016

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A mock-up of the Gripen E being displayed at the FIDAE Airshow 2016, as Saab looks to build on its recent regional success in Brazil with further Latin American orders. Source: IHS/Gareth Jennings

Saab is displaying a full-size mock-up of its Gripen E combat aircraft at the FIDAE Airshow 2016, as it looks to build on its regional success with the type in Brazil.

The model of the single-seat Gripen E (a twin-seat Gripen F is also in development) is featuring on the company's stand during the event, which is taking place at Comodoro Arturo Merino Benítez International Airport from 29 March to 3 April.

Having already sealed a deal with Brazil for 36 Gripen E/F fighters (28 single-seat Gripen Es and eight twin-seat Gripen Fs), Saab is looking to consolidate and expand its Latin American presence with additional sales to other regional operators as they look to recapitalise largely antiquated and increasingly difficult and costly inventories to sustain with more modern and capable types. IHS Jane's Markets Forecast projects a future Latin American requirement of 285 fighter aircraft out to 2025, valued at USD12.5 billion.

Latin America is a region that is largely defined by restricted budgets (there is a reason that fighter inventories in the region average more than 30-years of age), restricting options for renewal.

At the top-end of the spectrum, most fighter types, such as the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter, Eurofighter Typhoon, and Sukhoi Su-35 'Flanker-E' among others, cost upwards of USD100 million to procure and thousands of dollars an hour to operate and maintain, and are therefore out of reach of most if not all of the continent's air arms.

At the bottom-end, surplus aircraft, such as the early-model Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcons that have been retired from the US Air Force and placed into storage, might be affordable but they offer little in increased capabilities over many of the types they might replace.

Straddling these two extremes is the Gripen, which is being offered in both its current C/D and its newer E/F (NG in its demonstrator guise) incarnations depending on the customer's performance requirements, budgets, and timelines.

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http://www.janes.com/article/59070/fidae-2016-saab-touts-gripen-to-latin-american-fighter-market
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/03/2016 | 15:57 uur
Qatar, France Complete Dassault Rafale Fighter Jet Deal

Awad Mustafa, Defense News | March 29, 2016

DOHA, Qatar — France and Qatar completed the deal for 24 Dassault Rafale fighter jets at the opening day of the Doha International Maritime Defence Exhibition and Conference.

.../...

Zie onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2016/03/29/dassault-rafale-france-qatar-fighter-jet/82377564/

Deze complete deal heeft een waarde van € 6,7 miljard.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 30/03/2016 | 19:57 uur
2x Europees export succes.
Ik zeg chapeau!!!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/03/2016 | 21:15 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 30/03/2016 | 19:57 uur
2x Europees export succes.
Ik zeg chapeau!!!

De hoofdprijs voor Dassault is in de maak in de VAE: 60 Rafales,

De VS is/lijkt momenteel om diverse redenen uit die gratie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/03/2016 | 18:30 uur
BAE's APKWS rockets go to war on AV-8B Harrier

By James Drew, Washington DC | 31 March 2016

BAE Systems' laser-guided rocket has been rushed into combat on the AV-8B Harrier, seven months after it was requested by the top brass of the US Marine Corps.

The semi-active-laser-seeking 70mm (2.75in) rocket, enabled by BAE's mid-body guidance and control section, is already deployed on US Navy and Marine Corps attack helicopters and was recently acquired by the Army for the AH-64 Apache gunship, but it will soon become a standard tool on the fixed-wing AV-8B jump jet.

US Naval Air Systems Command is delivering 80 units initially to Marine Attack Squadron-223 (VMA-223), which is currently deployed to an undisclosed location, likely somewhere in the Middle East.

NAVAIR could not say if the VMA-223 Harriers were currently engaged in combat against the Islamic State terrorist organisation in Iraq and Syria, but the quick delivery supports "combat operations". The first fixed-wing variants were delivered to theater this month.

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AV-8B equipped with Advanced Precision Kill Weapons System (APKWS) during testing at China Lake, California
US Navy

"The intent of this requirement was to quickly provide the AV-8B with a low-cost, low-collateral damage, high-precision weapon in support of combat operations," Navy Capt Al Mousseau, who heads NAVAIR's munitions acquisition office PMA-242, says in a 30 March statement.

"This capability will provide commanders with a warfighting alternative to better enable weapon-to-target pairing," adds AV-8B life cycle programme manager Col Fred Schenk.

NAVAIR confirmed that a series of qualification flights took place to guarantee the rocket's compatibility with the AV-8B platform. It was first trailed on the Harrier during a demonstration programme in 2013, BAE says, along with the US Air Force A-10 and F-16.

The second phase, after meeting the immediate warfighting need, is to make APKWS a standard weapon choice on all AV-8Bs, NAVAIR says.

Developed under the APKWS-II programme to convert the unguided Hydra 70 rocket into a precision-guided, close-air-support weapon, the navy has carried it forward as a lower cost alternative to the AGM-114 Hellfire missile for attacking unarmoured vehicles and enemy combatants on the ground.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/baes-apkws-rockets-go-to-war-on-av-8b-harrier-423724/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 01/04/2016 | 11:02 uur
The Eagles are coming back !   :big-smile:

Air National Guard F-15s Head to Iceland and the Netherlands

Twelve F-15C Eagles and approximately 350 Airmen and support equipment from the 131st Fighter Squadron, Barnes Air National Guard Base, Massachusetts, and the 194th Fighter Squadron, Fresno Air National Guard Base, California, will deploy to the European theater beginning April 1, 2016.

The arrival of these F-15s marks the latest iteration of a Theater Security Package to come to the European theater in support of Operation Atlantic Resolve.

Units will conduct training alongside NATO allies and partners as part of OAR to strengthen interoperability, demonstrate the U.S. commitment to a Europe that is whole, free, at peace, secure, and prosperous and to deter further Russian aggression.

Upon arrival in Europe, the F-15s will head to two separate locations to simultaneously support the NATO air surveillance mission in Iceland and conduct flying training at Leeuwarden Air Base, Netherlands.

During their six months in theater, the TSP will also forward deploy to other NATO and partner nations to include Bulgaria, Estonia and Romania.

While at Leeuwarden, the F-15s will participate in Exercise Frisian Flag, an international exercise designed to bring fighter aircraft from multiple countries together to work on interoperability, planning and execution.

Theater Security Packages are rotational forces of stateside Total Force Airmen and aircraft that augment existing Air Force capabilities in Europe.

The F-15s will remain in theater through Sept. 2016.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/172612/usaf-deploys-f_15s-to-iceland%2C-netherlands.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/04/2016 | 10:58 uur
VIDEO: F-35 begins Raytheon JSOW qualification flights

By James Drew, Washington DC | 01 April 2016

The Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II will soon count Raytheon's AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW) among its list internally carried munitions after "cleanly" releasing the 475kg (1,050lb) inert glide bomb during a trial off the coast of Maryland.

The drop test on 23 March by the Naval Air Station Patuxent River-based CF-05 test aircraft is the first of many that will take place in 2016 to qualify the bomb for use by the stealthy combat jet.


US Navy

Until now, the F-35 has only released satellite-guided Mk80-series bombs equipped with Boeing Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) tail kits from its internal weapons bay. Equipping the aircraft with a "standoff" glide bomb allows it to hit threatening targets, like anti-aircraft missiles, from safer distances.

"The addition of this guided glide bomb equips the F-35 Lightning II with a medium-range, all-weather weapon capable of engaging targets from further vantage points well out of range of typical enemy anti-aircraft and counter-air defences," the US Navy says in a statement on 1 April. "This lethality and survivability delivers a decisive advantage over adversaries."

According to Raytheon, JSOW can strike targets 22km (12nm) away when released from an altitude of 500ft, or 130km (70nm) when released at 40,000ft. JDAMs, meanwhile, can hit targets up to 28km (15nm) away, depending on the speed and altitude of its release.

By comparison, the Russian SA-2 surface-to-air missile system can target aircraft within a 43km radius, and the mobile SA-6 can reach out 26km. More powerful Russian missile systems like the SA-10 (S-300) and SA-21 (S-400) have ranges approaching 150km and 431km, respectively, according to a report by the Mitchell Institute.

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F-35 Integrated Test Team

JSOW will come standard in the F-35 Block 3F configuration, and must be qualified for use by the navy's first combat-coded F-35C squadron at the time it declares initial operational capability (IOC) in 2018.

Other Block 3F-specific weapons include the Boeing Small Diameter Bomb as well as the MBDA AIM-132 Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile (ASRAAM) and Raytheon UK Paveway IV for the Royal Air Force.

ASRAAM units were recently shipped to the USA for F-35 testing and the 227kg (500lb) Paveway IV was first dropped from a B-model in June.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/video-f-35-begins-raytheon-jsow-qualification-fligh-423782/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 02/04/2016 | 17:44 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 01/04/2016 | 11:02 uur
The Eagles are coming back !   :big-smile:

Twelve F-15C Eagles and approximately 350 Airmen and support equipment from the 131st Fighter Squadron, Barnes Air National Guard Base, Massachusetts, and the 194th Fighter Squadron, Fresno Air National Guard Base, California, will deploy to the European theater beginning April 1, 2016. 

2x F15C & 2x F15D zijn hedenmiddag rond 15:30 uur geland op Lakenheath.  ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 02/04/2016 | 18:27 uur
Citaat van: Lex op 02/04/2016 | 17:44 uur
2x F15C & 2x F15D zijn hedenmiddag rond 15:30 uur geland op Lakenheath.  ;)
Ok. Hear the rolling thunder  :big-smile:
Super dat ze (later) weer neerstrijken in NL.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 02/04/2016 | 19:36 uur
Tja jammer dat er geen eagles permanent zijn gestationeerd in NL zoals vroeger maar dit geeft een beetje troost.
Mooi dat de Amerikanen frisian flag blijkbaar leerzaam genoeg vinden om er vaker aan mee te doen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 02/04/2016 | 19:56 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 02/04/2016 | 19:36 uur
Tja jammer dat er geen eagles permanent zijn gestationeerd in NL zoals vroeger maar dit geeft een beetje troost.
Mooi dat de Amerikanen frisian flag blijkbaar leerzaam genoeg vinden om er vaker aan mee te doen.

Voor de Air National Guard is het leerzaam genoeg om er aan deel te nemen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/04/2016 | 20:07 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 02/04/2016 | 19:36 uur
Tja jammer dat er geen eagles permanent zijn gestationeerd in NL zoals vroeger maar dit geeft een beetje troost.
Mooi dat de Amerikanen frisian flag blijkbaar leerzaam genoeg vinden om er vaker aan mee te doen.

Het is dat USAF Europe nog maar één F-15C/D Eagle squadron heeft (493rd FS, 48th FW te RAF Lakenheath), maar ook zij komen regelmatig naar Nederland. Altijd goed als er bezoekers van het Amerikaanse continent langskomen  8)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 02/04/2016 | 20:31 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 02/04/2016 | 20:07 uur
Het is dat USAF Europe nog maar één F-15C/D Eagle squadron heeft (493rd FS, 48th FW te RAF Lakenheath), maar ook zij komen regelmatig naar Nederland. Altijd goed als er bezoekers van het Amerikaanse continent langskomen  8)
Er waren toch plannen om dit squadron op te heffen? Al zijn die geloof ik uit gesteld.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/04/2016 | 20:39 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 02/04/2016 | 20:31 uur
Er waren toch plannen om dit squadron op te heffen? Al zijn die geloof ik uit gesteld.

48th FW krijgt twee F-35A squadrons en ik vermoed dat dit de twee F-15E Strike Eagle squadrons (492nd FS en 494th FS) zijn. Wie weet blijft 493rd FS met hun Eagles er nog even bij.

De eigen website van USAFE RAF Lakenheath kan nog niet zeggen welke het zullen worden.
http://www.lakenheath.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123435807
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 02/04/2016 | 20:45 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 02/04/2016 | 20:39 uur
48th FW krijgt twee F-35A squadrons en ik vermoed dat dit de twee F-15E Strike Eagle squadrons (492nd FS en 494th FS) zijn. Wie weet blijft 493rd FS met hun Eagles er nog even bij.

De eigen website van USAFE RAF Lakenheath kan nog niet zeggen welke het zullen worden.
http://www.lakenheath.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123435807
Ik had het volgende ergens gehoord:
493 met hun 'light greys'  wordt in 2017 opgeheven;
De andere 2 FS's op termijn over op de F-35
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/04/2016 | 15:51 uur
Bulgarian fighter replacement plan given go-ahead

By Alexander Mladenov, Sofia | 04 April 2016

The Bulgarian government gave the long-delayed go-ahead to a new fighter procurement on 30 March, which will eventually see 16 aircraft acquired to replace the air force's ageing Russian fleet.

An acquisition plan for an affordable Western multi-role design to replace Sofia's fleet of Russian Mikoyan MiG-29 'Fulcrums' and Sukhoi Su-25 'Frogfoots' has been approved, which will see a NATO-compatible fighter procured in two phases.

The first deal covers an eight-aircraft purchase, tentatively slated for delivery between 2018 and 2020 and expected to cost €511 million ($580 million). The second phase will see eight more fighters acquired between 2020 and 2023.

Before the launch of a tender, the procurement project has to be approved by the Bulgarian parliament, a stage which is expected to be completed by the end of May.

Defence minister Nikolay Nenchev has publicly voiced his ambitions to have a contract for the new flight purchase inked by the end of 2016.

However, while the Bulgarian defence budget for 2016 contains a small amount of funding earmarked as an advance payment, the realistic estimate is that the defence ministry will not have time to organise and complete a full-scale tender procedure in such a tight time frame. The process of selection and negotiations with the shortlisted candidate is, therefore, expected to extend into 2017.

So far, the Bulgarian military has reviewed several options, and received detailed information on prices and availability.

The first one calls for ex-US Air Force Lockheed Martin F-16s, which would be upgraded by OGMA in Portugal, together with training from the Portuguese air force.

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Alexander Mladenov

Another option would be a direct purchase of surplus F-16 MLUs from Portugal – together with the training service – with a logistics and weapons package sourced from the USA.

There is also an option, strongly backed by the Italian government, for ex-Italian air force Eurofighter Typhoons.

So far, the only option for new aircraft is the Saab Gripen. The Swedish government and the manufacturer have expended a lot of marketing efforts in Bulgaria since 2008, in an attempt to convince the Bulgarian military and political decision-makers their aircraft would be the most cost-effective.

A second major military aviation project approved by the Bulgarian government calls for investing in the MiG-29 logistic support.

The current 'Fulcrum' fleet is set to remain in active operation until the introduction of the new fighters, and €51 million ($58 million) will be spent on the purchase of new or second-hand Klimov RD-33 engines for the MiG-29s, as well as engine and accessory box overhaul and the procurement of parts and services needed for mid-term maintenance and airworthiness of at least 10 MiG-29s, out of 15 in service.

In 2015, the governments of Bulgaria and Poland inked an agreement covering the overhaul of six engines, at a price of just over €6 million ($7 million). In 2016, however, the Bulgarian MoD declared the Polish MoD's aircraft maintenance capabilities lacked the capacity to grant support to the Bulgarian air arm's ailing MiG-29 fleet and additional supply channels will be sought.

According to Nenchev, only seven of the MiG-29s are maintained in an airworthy state.

To counter the number of unserviceable MiG-29 engines, the air force's command authorities made an extra effort to extend the time between overhauls of the fleet's RD-33s and KSA-2 accessory gearboxes.

This way the air force would be able to provide just enough aircraft to stand on quick reaction alert for air policing missions until mid-2016 and through further extension in early 2016, it would grant Fulcrum airworthiness until the year-end.

Additional reporting by Krassimir Grozev, Sofia

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/bulgarian-fighter-replacement-plan-given-go-ahead-423815/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/04/2016 | 16:17 uur
RAF to field retained Tranche 1 Typhoons as stand-alone air defence force

Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly | 03 April 2016

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Given the lack of spares commonality between the Tranche 1 Typhoons and the Tranche 2 and 3 aircraft, the RAF has opted to field the former as a stand-alone force dedicated to air defence duties. Source: IHS/Patrick Allen

The UK Royal Air Force (RAF) is to field as a separate air defence force the Tranche 1 (T1) Eurofighter Typhoon combat aircraft that are to be retained in service beyond their original retirement date.

The 24 T1 aircraft that were extended from 2019 to the wider Typhoon out-of-service date (OSD) of 2040 in the Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR) of November 2015 will be formed into two distinct air defence squadrons, rather than being mixed with other T2 and T3 aircraft in other multirole units, Deputy Commander of Operations Air Marshal Greg Bagwell told reporters on 30 March.

"The issue was how to operate the Tranche 1 alongside the Tranche 2 and 3 as there is very little spares commonality between them, so it was decided that the plan [should be] for two new squadrons of Tranche 1 Typhoons," AM Bagwell said.

Given the software limitations of the T1, the RAF has decided not to try and upgrade these particular platforms with the Phase Enhancement upgrade packages that will afford the T2 and T3 platforms with the full swing-role capability set. As such, they will be used solely for air defence duties, and perhaps for adversarial air combat training for other RAF aircraft types.

"The Tranche 1s will be used purely for air defence, as an upgrade [for swing-role] will be prohibitively expensive. The two squadrons of Tranche 1 Typhoons will own the air defence role, and we are also looking at using them for 'red air' along with the Hawk," AM Bagwell noted.

The UK bases its Typhoons at RAF Conginsby in England (Quick reaction Alert [QRA] South) and at RAF Lossiemouth in Scotland (QRA North). It also has a detachment of four air defence aircraft permanently stationed in the Falkland Islands.

In terms of the UK QRA, AM Bagwell said it has not yet been decided where the T1 Typhoons will be based but he did note that from a support perspective it would make sense that they should all be at one location.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 05/04/2016 | 08:22 uur
Israel's F-35I Fighter's C4 Systems Enter Production at IAI

With system definition, prototyping and testing phases completed, Israel Aerospace Industries' (IAI) is now moving to production the Command, Control, Communications and Computing (C4) systems developed for the Adir - F-35I, Israel's variant of the Fifth Generation Fighter F-35.

The system developed exclusively for the F-35I by IAI's LAHAV Division is part of IAI's cutting edge 'tactical C4 architecture' introducing unique force multipliers in the modern, networked battle space. The induction of advanced systems of this type with the Israel Air Force (IAF) combat fleet will enable the IAF to better manage, and rapidly field networked applications that interface with core services over proprietary protocols developed especially for the IAF.

Using generic communications infrastructure based on the latest Software Defined Radios (SDR), IAI new C4 system developed for the Adir will provide the backbone of the IAF future airborne communications network. This network will dramatically improve over legacy systems currently operating with the current fleet of 4th Generation aircraft (F-16, F-15).

Based on open systems architecture the new system enable rapid software and hardware development cycles that will also provide more affordable modernization and support of systems over the platform's life cycle, as systems are required to meet rapidly changing operating environment.

The integration of IAI's C4 systems in the F-35I avionics program represents major milestone in the introduction of advanced, indigenous capabilities to the multinational F-35 program. Fully embedded into the aircraft integrated avionic system, IAI's new C4 system provides the user the latest, most advanced processing capabilities with relative independence of the aircraft manufacturer.

Part of the F-35I avionic system, the C4 system introduces a new level of freedom for the IAF, as it paves the way for additional advanced capabilities to be embedded in the F-35I in the future.

"This cutting edge avionic system represents an 'operational quantum leap' in the capability of air power to conduct networked-centric air warfare" said Benni Cohen, General Manager of LAHAV division, "It is part of a major change that takes place once in a decade, which includes the upgrading of 4th Generation systems. This program will be critical to our national security as it represents a shift in air forces' concepts of operations (CONOPS) and operational capabilities."

In the past decade LAHAV Division is positioned as Israel Aerospace Industries' center of excellence implementing network centric warfare capabilities. The combat proven systems developed by LAHAV are operational on combat aircraft and special mission platforms as well as in land-based systems of the Israel and foreign air forces.

Israel Aerospace Industries: IAI Ltd. is Israel's largest aerospace and defense company and a globally recognized technology and innovation leader, specializing in developing and manufacturing advanced, state-of-the-art systems for air, space, sea, land, cyber and homeland security.

(EDITOR'S NOTE:  IAI has not responded to e-mailed queries asking it to explain how is was able to develop its new C4 system without access to the F-35's software source codes.)

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/04/2016 | 13:52 uur
F/A-18E catches wire on Advanced Arresting Gear for first time

Richard Scott, London - IHS Jane's Navy International | 03 April 2016

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An F/A-18E Super Hornet from Naval Strike Aircraft Test Squadron 23 (VX-23) made a first successful arrestment using the US Navy's Advanced Arresting Gear at Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst, in Lakehurst, New Jersey, on 31 March. Source: NAVAIR

Key Points
• F/A-18E makes first AAG arrestment at Lakehurst test site
• The AAG is already installed aboard Pre-Commissioning Unit Gerald R Ford (CVN 78)

An F/A-18E Super Hornet from Naval Strike Aircraft Test Squadron 23 (VX-23) has made a first successful arrestment using the US Navy's (USN's) new Advanced Arresting Gear (AAG).

The test, conducted on 31 March, used the land-based AAG system installed at the Runway Arrested Landing Site (RALS) located at Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst, in Lakehurst, New Jersey. RALS testing is a critical activity for proving the AAG for the new CVN-78 Ford-class aircraft carrier programme.

Developed by General Atomics in conjunction with the USN, the AAG is a new-generation turbo-electric arrestor system, consisting of energy absorbers, power conditioning equipment and digital controls, designed to deliver a number of benefits over the current Mk 7 Mod 3 and Mod 4 arrestor gear systems. These include improved reliability and safety margins, reduced manning and total ownership cost. Additionally, the AAG is designed to allow potential arrestment of a broader range of aircraft, from the lightest unmanned aerial vehicles to the heaviest manned fighters.

The AAG is already installed aboard Pre-Commissioning Unit Gerald R Ford (CVN 78), and is scheduled for installation on the future John F Kennedy (CVN 79), which is currently in build. However, the results of initial land-based testing in 2013 led to the redesign of the water twister, injecting delay into the programme.

In his latest annual report to Congress, Dr J Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon's independent director of Operational Test and Evaluation (DOT&E), stated that "AAG's reliability is uncertain". According to Dr Gilmore, "The Program Office redesigned major components that did not meet system specifications during land-based testing [and] last provided reliability data in December 2013 [that] estimated that AAG had approximately 20 mean cycles between operational mission failure (MCBOMF) in the shipboard configuration, where a cycle represents the recovery of one aircraft.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/04/2016 | 13:58 uur
Russia orders 30 more Su-30SM fighters

Nicholas de Larrinaga, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly | 03 April 2016

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Russia has ordered 30 more Su-30SM fighter aircraft from Irkut Corporation. Source: PA Photos

Key Points
• Irkut has received an order for 30 more Su-30SMs for the VKS
• The order will make the Su-30SM the most numerous fighter type in Russian service

Russia has ordered 30 more Sukhoi Su-30SM 'Flanker' multirole fighter aircraft, the country's Ministry of Defence (MoD) announced on 3 April.

The new order means the Su-30SM will be the most numerous fighter type in Russian service.

According to the MoD the aircraft are expected to be delivered to the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) before the end of 2018.

Based on the export-standard Su-30MK, the Su-30SM replaces the French and Israeli electronics found on the MK for Russian ones but otherwise retains the same airframe with canards and AL-37FP thrust-vectoring engines. As with the Su-30MK, the Su-30SM is built in Irkutsk by the Irkutsk Aviation Plant.

According to the MoD, the contract was signed by Deputy Defence Minister Yuri Borisov and Oleg Demchenko, the president or Irkut Corporation (the parent of Irkutsk Aviation Plant).

The new contract brings the total announced Su-30SM order book for the VKS to 90 aircraft. The type has also been ordered for the Russian Naval Aviation, which has at least 20 on order out of a total requirement of 50. In total more than 40 Su-30SMs have been delivered to the Russian military. The type marked its first combat deployment in September 2015 with the arrival of four Su-30SMs to Humaymim Air Base in Syria. Initially flying as an escort fighter, with exclusively air-to-air loads, the Su-30SMs have since conducted bombing missions. At least three Su-30SMs remain in Syria, despite the announced drawdown of Russian forces there.

While the first Su-30MK export order (India for the Su-30MKI) came in November 1996, it took Russia 15 years to announce it was working on a version for its own air force to replace older variants of the 'Flanker' family.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zeewier op 05/04/2016 | 15:08 uur
Ik begin steeds meer het nut in te zien van een tweede jager. Niet dat ik van mijn F-35-geloof gevallen ben maar een stel Gripens huren, groot onderhoud laten uitbesteden door een poule van Zweden & Finnen, voor de Baltic Air Policing aantrekken zie ik het nut van in. Of advanced trainers, soit. Wel nu daar de F-35 en de F-15SE eigenlijk te chic voor zijn uitgevoerd. Populair gezegd: je hebt ook politieauto's nodig, niet alleen tanks.

Of anders de samenwerking in de BAP anders vorm geven. Dat allegaartje van jagers, blijven we dat eeuwig zo doen?  :annoyed:
Dat was ooit handig vanwege dat zoveel naties F-16's hadden. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Air_Policing
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/04/2016 | 15:09 uur
Citaat van: Zeewier op 05/04/2016 | 14:56 uur
Ik begin steeds meer het nut in te zien van een tweede jager. Niet dat ik van mijn F-35-geloof gevallen ben maar een stel Gripens huren, groot onderhoud laten uitbesteden door een poule van Zweden & Finnen, voor de Baltic Air Policing aantrekken zie ik het nut van in. Of advanced trainers, soit. Wel nu daar de F-35 en de F-15SE eigenlijk te chic voor zijn uitgevoerd. Populair gezegd: je hebt ook politieauto's nodig, niet alleen tanks.

We krijgen de wind van voren hier op het forum.... 2 types. 2 logistieke lijnen etc etc..

Ik ben voor een high end low end mix, ik ben alles behalve een Gripen fan, maar als aanvulling op 37, stel: 24 exemplaren, zou ik toejuichen (misschien ook nog even kijken wat er uit de bus komt bij de US T-X competitie).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/04/2016 | 15:16 uur
Citaat van: Zeewier op 05/04/2016 | 15:08 uur
Of anders de samenwerking in de BAP anders vorm geven. Dat allegaartje van jagers, blijven we dat eeuwig zo doen?  :annoyed:
Dat was ooit handig vanwege dat zoveel naties F-16's hadden. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Air_Policing

En vergeet ook die andere Air Policing missie niet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Air_Policing
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zeewier op 05/04/2016 | 15:18 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/04/2016 | 15:09 uur
We krijgen de wind van voren hier op het forum.... 2 types. 2 logistieke lijnen etc etc..

Ik ben voor een high end low end mix, ik ben alles behalve een Gripen fan, maar als aanvulling op 37, stel: 24 exemplaren, zou ik toejuichen (misschien ook nog even kijken wat er uit de bus komt bij de US T-X competitie).
Probeer juist zoveel mogelijk 2 logistieke lijnen te vermijden. Dus huren. Onderhoud op locatie.

Wat betreft de wind van voren; de Eurofighter Typhoon en de JAS Gripen hebben al dode piloten te betreuren, de F-35 heeft nog een clean sheet. Echter als de NY Times of The Washington Post uitpakken over GAO-rapporten steekt er een fellere wind op in de overschrijfmedia dan wanneer er een Spaanse Eurofighter Typhoon neerstort.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/04/2016 | 15:23 uur
Alaska base selected to house F-35 squadrons

By James Drew, Washington DC | 05 April 2016

The US Air Force will station two operational F-35A squadrons on America's northwestern flank in Alaska, nearby where F-22s typically intercept long-range Russian TU-95 "Bear" bombers.

Eielson AFB, an approximately 1h flight north of the Lockheed Martin F-22As stationed at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson in middle Alaska, will eventually house two Lightning II squadrons comprised of 24 F-35s each, plus six backup inventory aircraft.

The announcement by the air force on 4 April completes a long-running basing decision process, which considered whether to base F-35s assigned to the Pacific theatre at Eielson AFB. USAF assessed the site based on "operational considerations, installation attributes, environmental factors and cost".

Basing preparations will begin at the turn of the fiscal year in October and aircraft should begin arriving in late 2019 through 2020, which is about one year later than forecast when Eielson AFB was announced as the preferred Pacific F-35 site in August 2014.

Those Lightning IIs will join an F-16 aggressor squadron already operating from the base, and will have the distinction of being the "first operational overseas F-35As" – owing to the fact that Alaska is not counted as part of the USA mainland because it is geographically separated by Canada.

The delay in aircraft deliveries to Alaska is in response to a "shortage of experienced, active-duty fighter aircraft maintainers" and allows for the slightly accelerated stand up of F-35 operations at the Burlington Air Guard Station in Vermont, according to an air force statement.

"The decision to base two F-35 squadrons at Eielson AFB combined with the existing F-22 Raptors at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson will double our fifth-generation fighter aircraft presence in the Pacific theatre," says USAF chief of staff Gen Mark Welsh, who notes that those aircraft will add to the F-35s flown by the US Navy and Marine Corps as well as allied operators. That's particularly relevant to Japan, South Korea and Australia, which are standing sentinel alongside US forces against a more assertive China and belligerent North Korea.

"It's an exciting time for Pacific airpower," Welsh adds.

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The first of many F-22 Raptor intercepts of Russian Air Force Tu-95 Bear bombers off the coast of Alaska, this one near Nunivak Island in 2007
US Air Force

For Eielson AFB and the surrounding Fairbanks area, this basing decision validates long-held views that the air force site is too strategically important to let fall by the wayside. The local area and its members of Congress have been lobbying to keep the base alive after it was named on a 2005 memorandum for base realignment and closure.

Instead of being placed on a "warm" footing with no mission or aircraft, the base has retained its F-16 aggressors, thanks to its proximity to the Joint Pacific Alaska Range Complex – the largest area of unrestricted airspace that the service has access to.

"Alaska combines a strategically important location with a world-class training environment," says air force secretary Deborah Lee James.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/alaska-base-selected-to-house-f-35-squadrons-423845/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/04/2016 | 15:24 uur
Citaat van: Zeewier op 05/04/2016 | 15:18 uur
Probeer juist zoveel mogelijk 2 logistieke lijnen te vermijden. Dus huren. Onderhoud op locatie.

Wat betreft de wind van voren; de Eurofighter Typhoon en de JAS Gripen hebben al dode piloten te betreuren, de F-35 heeft nog een clean sheet. Echter als de NY Times of The Washington Post uitpakken over GAO-rapporten steekt er een fellere wind op in de overschrijfmedia dan wanneer er een Spaanse Eurofighter Typhoon neerstort.

Het is dan ook een leuk doel voor de media om aan te vallen: 389 mjd US dollar en een "beetje" over de gehele periode tot 2070.

Ik zou niet voor inhuur zijn maar voor aanschaf, nu is het mij duidelijk dat tijden zijn veranderd maar ik hoor niemand piepen over 4 type helikopters en enkele decennia geleden (oké we hadden nog aantallen) was het stil rondom 2 type gevechtsvliegtuigen. (zelfs 3 gedurende een overlap periode)

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zeewier op 05/04/2016 | 15:34 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/04/2016 | 15:24 uur
Het is dan ook een leuk doel voor de media om aan te vallen: 389 mjd US dollar en een "beetje" over de gehele periode tot 2070.
Ok, nu ga ik zelf off-topic. Die hele Spaanse én Saudische Eurofighter crash is toch helemaal niet opgehelderd? Het waren trainigsvluchten. Alles wordt stil gehouden vanwege imago & verkoop. De politiek die toch het beste voor moet hebben met haar vliegende dienaren is muisstil. De overschrijfmedia zijn zelf de oorzaak achter de ongelijke balans in beeldvorming rond de verschillende toestellen.

Zo, en nu ga ik even mijn Trump-verslaving (not) bevredigen in de overschrijfmedia. Want ik ben zo benieuwd wie hij vandaag beledigd heeft.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 05/04/2016 | 15:37 uur
Citaat van: Zeewier op 05/04/2016 | 15:18 uur
Wat betreft de wind van voren; de Eurofighter Typhoon en de JAS Gripen hebben al dode piloten te betreuren, de F-35 heeft nog een clean sheet.

Gripen heeft geen dode piloten te betreuren? Ene Eurofighter piloot overleed ná het ejecten. De andere door een crash bij de landing.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/04/2016 | 15:42 uur
De felicitaties gaan naar...... roffel roffel..

Reuters - Italy's Finmeccanica signs Eurofighter contract with Kuwait

http://www.euronews.com/business-newswires/3176168-italys-finmeccanica-signs-eurofighter-contract-with-kuwait/#.VwPAb7R8DSg.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zeewier op 05/04/2016 | 16:03 uur
Wat is de reden dat zoveel vertraagde orders nu plots doorgang vinden, toch de zeer lage koers van de euro? Bij zowel Saab, Finmeccanica/Eurofighter als Dassault staan deze maand (qua 30 dagen) de champagneglazen gevuld.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/04/2016 | 16:10 uur
Denmark's Fighter Selection Date Faces Yet Another Delay As Replacement Program Struggles to Lift Off

Forecast International | April 4, 2016

Denmark's headline military procurement project – the replacement of the Royal Danish Air Force (RDAF) fleet of F-16s – faces a potential delay in the selection timeline laid out by the country's minority government. The Danish Ministry of Defense is currently examining a short-list of future fighter alternatives that include the Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II, the Eurofighter Typhoon, and the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet.

One looming hurdle to meeting the 2016 selection target date involves financing the project. With a cross-party funding agreement required in order to move forward with the program, the underlying issue becomes defining the exact number of fighters to procure.

The Danish MoD's Project Office has already laid out several options, including procurements of 24, 30, and 36 fighters – each proposal representing a drop from the original 2005 requirement calling for 48 new fighters. That figure was ultimately amended downward in March 2010 in the face of dwindling financial resources and shifting operational goals and requirements.

Two leftist political parties – the Social Liberal Party (SLP) and Socialist People's Party (SPP) – favor purchasing the fewest number of fighters deemed necessary to conduct Denmark's airspace defense and international security mission requirements. The problem is that the figure they have targeted is just 18 fighters, six fewer than the minimum proposal request.

The SLP-SPP preference diverges from those of the other main political parties, including the minority governing Liberals, the Social Democrats, and the Conservatives, each of whom prefers the 30-36 unit purchase option.

The unit total preferences threaten to be an unbridgeable divide for a fighter program carrying a price tag estimated at between $2.8 billion and $4.5 billion, depending on the number of aircraft purchased. Swallowing such a significant price tag is made all the more politically difficult by the straitened finances of the MoD, whose budget declined by more than 7 percent year-on-year in 2015 and is unlikely to expand much under the next five-year defense spending agreement (the current plan expires in 2017). Adding to the price of the purchase are the long-term operating and maintenance costs over the life of the aircraft – estimated to be between $10-$13 billion across a 30-40-year period.

Furthermore, many opposition parties are adamantly opposed to using sources outside the national budget, such as international loans, in order to finance the procurement, meaning whatever funding is required must come from a Danish national budget carefully managed over the past three fiscal years to avoid exceeding the European Union's deficit threshold of 3 percent of GDP.

Public spending cuts and a listless economy have shrunk the political appetite for a large fighter purchase, particularly among the left-leaning parties like the SPP, who see large, expensive military projects as draining limited government resources better allocated toward health care, child care, education, and public transportation. At a time when funding pressures are placing all government ministries in a financial straightjacket, these parties contend that resources are better allocated internally and that the armed forces' missions abroad should be curtailed. Rather than participating in every EU- or NATO-led peacekeeping mission, they argue, the military should focus more on homeland defense, which would lessen the need for a larger number of new fighters.

The argument over financing looms larger when juxtaposed with concerns that the military budget may get overwhelmed by the fighter purchase, particularly at a time when the defense force hopes to upgrade its armored vehicle and artillery capabilities.

Because of the sensitive issue of ensuring that Denmark's defense force has sufficient funds in future procurement budgets, the likelihood is that the final agreed-upon number of fighters to be procured will total 24 combat aircraft. Any additional RDAF capability requirements would then be met via drone acquisitions. This seems all the more logical considering the suspected favored platform, the Lockheed Martin F-35, will carry with it an estimated unit cost of at least $85-$95 million per aircraft by the time Denmark would be ready to ink a contract.

Besides funding, political stability has been an issue for Denmark as it seeks to nudge the fighter replacement program forward. A series of ministerial shuffling that has seen the MoD headed by three different ministers in just over two years has done little to help the decision-making process.

Adding to this is the precarious position of the minority government of Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen, which barely survived in February when the Conservatives threatened to withhold support and force a snap election unless Environment and Food Minister Eva Kjer Hansen was dismissed. Rasmussen refused to remove his Cabinet member, who had come under fire over agricultural reforms, but the threat to the government passed when Hansen voluntarily stepped down.

Defense Minister Peter Christensen has stated to the Parliamentary Defense Committee that a fighter selection will not be revealed until all funding issues are resolved and an all-party financial plan is in place. But besides cost and performance, another concern for Christensen and the government is the selected vendor's long-term support and industrial cooperation plans for Denmark. Danish officials hope these will result in spin-off jobs and capital investments in Danish industry, as well as maintenance and servicing guarantees for the duration of the new fighters' service lives.

Denmark is a Tier-3 partner in the Lockheed Martin-led F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program and has invested an estimated $291 million in the project to date. Many still believe that the fighter remains the favorite to replace the Danish F-16s. Yet, a decision by Christensen late last year to decline providing the Parliamentary Defense Committee with specifics regarding technical issues concerning the F-35 raised in the Director, Operational Test, and Evaluation Office report for the U.S. Secretary of Defense was not well received.

While Denmark's preference is likely a U.S.-derived solution, an F-35 selection would certainly raise questions that the defense minister and government would not be able to evade. But until the financials are worked out, it is a worry they can continue pushing into the future – just not too far into the future, as the RDAF plans to begin phasing the F-16 fleet out of service between 2020 and 2024.

So, chalk up yet another issue confronting the Danish Defense Ministry as it seeks to finally nail down a selection – a selection originally planned for April 2009 that has been delayed five times, with the very real possibility that a sixth delay awaits.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/172740/denmark%E2%80%99s-fighter-selection-faces-yet-another-delay.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 05/04/2016 | 17:54 uur
In België en NL zijn het ook al zulke lage aantallen, de kleine landen stellen straks niets meer voor.
Alleen Noorwegen krijgt fatsoenlijke aantallen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 05/04/2016 | 19:41 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/04/2016 | 15:24 uur
Ik zou niet voor inhuur zijn maar voor aanschaf, nu is het mij duidelijk dat tijden zijn veranderd maar ik hoor niemand piepen over 4 type helikopters en enkele decennia geleden (oké we hadden nog aantallen) was het stil rondom 2 type gevechtsvliegtuigen. (zelfs 3 gedurende een overlap periode)

Als het moet, moet het. Maar zoals je zelf ook al aangeeft, tijden zijn veranderd. Van de Spitfire zijn er ruim 20.000 gebouwd, en dat was slechts 1 van de vele types. Denk je dat de F35A dat gaat halen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/04/2016 | 20:07 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 05/04/2016 | 17:54 uur
In België en NL zijn het ook al zulke lage aantallen, de kleine landen stellen straks niets meer voor.
Alleen Noorwegen krijgt fatsoenlijke aantallen.

En zelfs dat zijn er maar 52  (als ze het aantal daadwerkelijk halen)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/04/2016 | 20:12 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 05/04/2016 | 19:41 uur
Als het moet, moet het. Maar zoals je zelf ook al aangeeft, tijden zijn veranderd. Van de Spitfire zijn er ruim 20.000 gebouwd, en dat was slechts 1 van de vele types. Denk je dat de F35A dat gaat halen?

Retorische vraag..

Wat ik wel als mogelijkheid zie is een low end  - high end mix en zelfs dan zal het cumulatieve aantal voor de KLu niet boven de 65 a 70 uitkomen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/04/2016 | 20:33 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/04/2016 | 20:07 uur
En zelfs dat zijn er maar 54  (als ze het aantal daadwerkelijk halen)

Maak van 54 maar 52 stuks. Dat is het Noorse orderaantal.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 05/04/2016 | 21:10 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/04/2016 | 20:07 uur
En zelfs dat zijn er maar 52  (als ze het aantal daadwerkelijk halen)
Hz 'maar'?
De Noren hebben niet zo'n enorm grote economie en het is bijna een 1 op 1 vervanging van hun F-16's.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/04/2016 | 21:18 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 05/04/2016 | 21:10 uur
Hz 'maar'?
De Noren hebben niet zo'n enorm grote economie en het is bijna een 1 op 1 vervanging van hun F-16's.

Na verhouding komen de Noren er vwb numerieke vervanging er redelijk goed van af: oorspronkelijke aantal F16: 72.

De Noren hebben een aardig olie potje, die ze slimmer beheren dan wij onze gas baten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 05/04/2016 | 22:45 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/04/2016 | 21:18 uur
Na verhouding komen de Noren er vwb numerieke vervanging er redelijk goed van af: oorspronkelijke aantal F16: 72.

De Noren hebben een aardig olie potje, die ze slimmer beheren dan wij onze gas baten.

Vergeet hun gas potje en hydro stroom potje niet.
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/04/2016 | 18:20 uur
Typhoon Captor-E awaits flight testing as Kuwait confirmed as launch customer

By Beth Stevenson, London | 07 April 2016

With a deal for 28 Eurofighter Typhoons announced this week, Kuwait has also become the launch customer for the combat aircraft's new active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.

Industrial lead Finmeccanica, working as part of the Euroradar consortium, says development is well under way, although the flight-test campaign is yet to begin.

While the Eurofighter partner nations – Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK – in 2014 signed a contract supporting the development and integration of the Captor-E AESA radar, Finmeccanica says there is no order in place, making Kuwait the sole confirmed customer.

"The Captor-E development programme is on track, progressing in line with the milestones of the four-nation development contract signed in November 2014," says Finmeccanica.

Testing is being carried out on two instrumented production aircraft (IPA) – IPA8 from Germany and IPA5 from the UK – which are undergoing ground-based integration trials.

"Ground-based testing of the wider aircraft systems impacted by the implementation of the E-Scan radar system continues, and flight development testing, using the two IPAs, will commence after this is completed," it says.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=66552)
Finmeccanica

Finmeccanica says the Typhoons that will be delivered to Kuwait will be the most advanced configuration of the type, and will include the company's Praetorian defensive aids suite and Pirate infrared search and track system.

Separately, it is also pursuing the possibility of integrating its Vixen 1000E electronically-scanned fire control radar on South Korea's developmental KFX fighter.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/typhoon-captor-e-awaits-flight-testing-as-kuwait-con-423938/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/04/2016 | 19:38 uur
Air Force Moving Forward With A-10 Replacement Option

Lara Seligman, Defense News 12:47 p.m. EDT April 7, 2016

WASHINGTON — The Air Force is moving forward with a key step in developing a dedicated close-air support plane to replace the A-10 Warthog, a top general said Thursday.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2016/04/07/air-force-moving-forward--10-replacement/82746220/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/04/2016 | 21:29 uur
USAF backs off sixth-gen 'fighter' in quest for air supremacy

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-backs-off-sixth-gen-fighter-in-quest-for-air-423994/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/04/2016 | 09:44 uur
Jordan sells F-16s... and gains F-16s

Elmer van Hest | 07 April 2016

Jordan is offering fifteen used but serviceable F-16A/B Midlife Update (MLU) models in a move that seems strange in the light of the pending arrival of... fifteen very similar F-16 MLU models previously operated by the Royal Netherlands Air Force (RNLAF). The Royal Jordanian Air Force (RJAF) aircraft are offered on the air force's website.

.../...

Zie onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://airheadsfly.com/2016/04/07/jordan-sells-f-16s-and-gains-f-16s/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/04/2016 | 14:12 uur
Growlers' Success Prompts Rethinking Of Operations

Michael Fabey, Aviation Week & Space Technology - Defense Technology Edition | April 7, 2016

Growlers are the 'big dogs' in electronic attack pack

As the U.S. Navy expands its EA-18G Growler operations, pilots remain keen on the aircraft's electronic warfare performance.

The service says it has enough Boeing Growlers to meet requirements, but some analysts disagree, and the Pentagon is conducting an electronic warfare study that could require the acquisition of more EA-18Gs, the only aerial electronic attack weapon in the U.S. quiver.

There is no doubt Navy pilots appreciate what the Growler brings to a carrier strike group. "I finally felt like I had overwhelming advantage in the tactical arena," says Capt. Jeffrey "Caesar" Czerewko, former air group commander aboard the CVN 76 USS Ronald Reagan, and now the Pentagon's director of battlespace awareness.

A veteran F/A-18 pilot, he notes that Growlers have the capability he and other pilots wanted when they were flying as far back as the F/A-18C. "It has all the things I wish we had had in the 'Charlie' back in the day," Czerewko says. He touts "the way it 'talks' with other airplanes. It's incredible how much better we are with airborne electronic attack."

And pilots are only now starting to tap that capability. "I don't think we've even cracked the nut yet on how much a Growler can do," Czerewko adds. "In a classified discussion, it's eye-watering. I wish we had more. I wish everybody agreed we should have more."

The Navy needs additional EA-18Gs, affirms the Hudson Institute, noting in a recent report that the force requires 11 EA-18Gs for each of the Navy's 10 carrier and five expeditionary squadrons, a total of 165.

"The Navy's current program of record calls for a total of 135 EA-18Gs," or nine per squadron, the institute reports. "The Navy would need to procure an additional 30 EA-18Gs." The Navy will have to rely more on EA-18G Growlers for future jamming missions, institute analysts say.

"Equipped with the Next Generation Jammer [under development by Raytheon], the EA-18G will be capable of providing coherent jamming at increased power, interrupting enemy effects chains," the institute says. "This capability assists the penetration of not only F/A-18E/F aircraft or other joint force aircraft, but also F-35Cs. The proliferation of [enemy] L-band radars and other lower-frequency fire-control radars would counter the X-band optimization of the F-35C. The ability of the EA-18G to jam these other radars allows carrier strike and air warfare packages the ability to counter enemy sensors and provide jamming coverage for weapons, significantly increasing weapon probability of arrival."

The Growler's success is prompting a rethinking of its operations. "The Navy, for instance, is developing tactics for E/A-18G Growler electronic attack aircraft to use passive capabilities to geolocate threat emitters alone or in concert with other aircraft through the Navy Integrated Fire Control (NIFC) network," the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments (CSBA) says in its recent report, "Winning the Airwaves: Regaining America's Dominance in the Electromagnetic Spectrum."

CSBA says, "Using NIFC, passive targeting information can be passed from an E/A-18G via a Link-16 secure tactical data link to an E-2D AWACS aircraft and then to surface combatants via the Cooperative Engagement Capability data link to enable them to attack targets with long-range cruise missiles."

The Navy is strengthening the Growler's bite. A Growler pilot fired an AIM-120 advanced medium-range air-to-air missile last fall off the coast of Virginia during a Tactical Support Wing training event, marking the first time electronic attack squadron VAQ-209 employed the Raytheon-built missile.

Cobham Advanced Electronic Solutions is working toward improving the technology that operates the Growler's low-bandwidth transmitter, a vital sensor system. Designed to increase the ALQ-99 jamming sensor system's reliability and availability, the low-band transmitter replaced two transmitters to jam low-frequency radar and communication targets and is integrated on Growlers and U.S. Marine Corps EA-6B Prowlers (due to be retired in 2019).

The AN/ALQ-99 intercepts and automatically processes radar signals and manages the system's transmitters to jam radar threats.

With the technological and operational growth and development of active, electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, Cobham sees the potential for improvements to the transmitter system, says Jill Kale, sector president. The company is taking this position in light of advancements in digital-receiver technology, especially at the front end, Kale says.

Cobham will wait and see how requirements develop, she notes. "I don't like the 'build it they will come' approach."

Analysts say that as AESA technology becomes the norm for antenna arrays, and transmit-receive modules are increasingly positioned at the array face, this is a good time for Cobham to upgrade its systems. The antennae and transmitter/receivers Cobham is building today, analysts note, are for legacy systems such as the ALQ-99 that do not include these technologies.

http://aviationweek.com/defense/growlers-success-prompts-rethinking-operations
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/04/2016 | 10:28 uur
How Israel Wants To Soup Up Its Fleet Of F-35s

Israel has done amazing things with their imported U.S. fighter aircraft, innovating and tailoring their capabilities to meet their unique needs. They want to continue this legacy with the F-35. Part of this initiative now includes the ability to externally modify their new stealth jets with the addition of conformal fuel tanks.

Conformal fuel tanks give a fighter jet more fuel load with minimal performance penalties and do not occupy precious weapon stations and induce large amounts of drag like traditional drop tanks do. When combined with drops tanks, a conformal fuel tank-equipped fighter's range can be massively increased. Currently, the Israeli Air Force flies the majority of their F-15 fleet as well as their F-16I fleet with conformal fuel tanks as well as drop tanks.

A combat aircraft's range is a huge deal for any nation, but for Israel, whose primary enemy remains Iran, it is a grave concern. Targets in that country can reach 1,700 miles from Israeli borders.

The IAF has also struck sites near the Horn of Africa and as far away as Tunisia in the past. They see their global reach as a pillar of deterrence against would-be aggressors, so their ability to reach out and strike over great distances reliably needs to be credible.

Israel's relatively small but slowly growing fleet of tankers helps extend the range of their fighter aircraft, but still a jet is limited by its own combat radius once it leaves the tanker's boom or basket. Additionally, each tanker is limited to how much fuel it can pass over a certain distance.

With all this in mind, Israel has stated that in addition to having access to certain areas of the F-35's software and mission computer hardware, communications systems, weapons carriage capability, electronic countermeasures and surveillance suite, they also want to mount conformal fuel tanks to its skin.

It is not clear exactly what such an apparatus would look like, or how it would impact the F-35's low radar signature and already somewhat paltry kinematics. There is also the question of airframe fatigue induced by mounting thousands of pounds of gas where it was never intended to be placed. Still, the IAF's lust for extended range will likely trump these concerns.

Traditionally conformal tanks can be added and removed with relative ease, so having the option to mount them at the cost of increased radar cross-section is an enticing arrow for Israel to have on its quiver. For standoff attacks, where an F-35 would launch a guided weapon many dozens of miles from its intended target, increased detectability may be of little concern.

Israel already has confirmed it will integrate the SPICE 1000 glide bomb with its F-35s, which will allow for such stand-off attack profiles. Larger and longer-ranged wing-mounted missiles are also another option at the sacrifice of much greater radar signature degradation.

Israel's push for operational and developmental independence with its F-35I fleet also includes the wish to indigenously service and sustain the aircraft throughout its lifetime. The country wants to execute much of the aircraft's heavy maintenance themselves, a controversial proposition that is still in negotiation due to the highly classified nature of the aircraft's internal systems. Basically, being able to crack the jet open gives away much of its magic and also introduces high technological transfer risk.

The IAF also wants the ability to operate their aircraft independent of the highly troubled Automated Logistics Information System, ALIS for short, during wartime conditions, when communications can be disrupted, ports closed and normal logistical arteries rendered inaccessible. One IAF program manager told the following to Defensenews.com:

"The ingenious, automated ALIS system that Lockheed Martin has built will be very efficient and cost-effective, but the only downfall is that it was built for countries that don't have missiles falling on them."

The ability to operate the F-35 confidently without ALIS, which executes everything from parts ordering to mission planning, also would give Israel a hedge against cyber attacks which could cripple the system, potentially even on a global level. Israel knows full well the threat of such attacks, and grounding their premier weapon system worth many billions of dollars because of such an event should be highly concerning. Hopefully a similar protocol, if they are allowed to develop one, can be copied by other nations operating the F-35, including the US.

It will be interesting to see Israel's F-35 evolve uniquely in the coming years. As of now 33 F-35's are on order for the IAF, and Israel is approved to receive up to 75 of the stealth fighters, although that number could grow depending on who is sitting in the Oval Office come next January. The F-35I's initial operating capability is slated for 2017, although this now seems like an optimistic date.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/how-israel-wants-to-soup-up-its-fleet-of-f-35s-1769644978
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/04/2016 | 14:11 uur
USAF firming A-X requirements for A-10 'Warthog' alternative

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-firming-a-x-requirements-for-a-10-warthog-alt-423999/

Ze zijn dus wel duidelijk aan het kijken bij de USAF wat ze moeten doen met de A-10 en na de A-10. Er lopen nu verschillende studie's ... of zijn dit zoethouders ... om de A-10 toch sneller te kunnen weg serveren naar de woestijn.

Studie's van een totaal nieuw toestel als A-10 vervanger A-X programma, bestaande toestellen als A-29 Super Tucano, Beechcraft AT-6, M-346, T-50, Rextrons Scorpion worden genoemd. Dus ook toestellen die meedoen in het T-X prgramma. Of een aangepast programma AT-X, een trainer met extra lichte aanvals capaciteiten.

De vergelijkingsprogramma tussen de F-35 en A-10 in capaciteiten is pas gepland in 2018-2019, dan pas wordt duidelijk wat de tekortkomingen en voordelen zijn van de verschillende 2 toestellen.
Lijkt me nu alwel duidelijk waar zo'n onderzoek op zal eindigen;
F-35 => beter Situation Awareness, beter in slimme bommen gooien van hogere hoogten,
A-10 => beter in opereren in CAS op lage hoogte met gebruik van boordkanon.
en waarbij straks gezegd wordt zo'n "zwaar" boordkanon en vliegen op lage is niet meer van deze tijd en geeft veel meer kans om neer geschoten te worden.
   
Toekomst voor A-10 en/of gelijkwaardige opvolger ? ... blijft onzeker
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/04/2016 | 14:52 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 11/04/2016 | 14:11 uur
De vergelijkingsprogramma tussen de F-35 en A-10 in capaciteiten is pas gepland in 2018-2019, dan pas wordt duidelijk wat de tekortkomingen en voordelen zijn van de verschillende 2 toestellen.
Lijkt me nu alwel duidelijk waar zo'n onderzoek op zal eindigen;
F-35 => beter Situation Awareness, beter in slimme bommen gooien van hogere hoogten,
A-10 => beter in opereren in CAS op lage hoogte met gebruik van boordkanon.
en waarbij straks gezegd wordt zo'n "zwaar" boordkanon en vliegen op lage is niet meer van deze tijd en geeft veel meer kans om neer geschoten te worden.
   
Toekomst voor A-10 en/of gelijkwaardige opvolger ? ... blijft onzeker

De toekomstige test tussen de F-35A en de A-10C lijkt wel erg op de test tussen de A-7D en de A-10A in de jaren 70. Toen 'won' de A-10, terwijl duidelijk bleek dat de veel geavanceerdere A-7D minstens zo goed was.

Er zijn zoveel types die CAS kunnen uitvoeren. Het is maar net welke eisen je stelt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 11/04/2016 | 23:30 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 11/04/2016 | 14:11 uur
USAF firming A-X requirements for A-10 'Warthog' alternative

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-firming-a-x-requirements-for-a-10-warthog-alt-423999/

Ze zijn dus wel duidelijk aan het kijken bij de USAF wat ze moeten doen met de A-10 en na de A-10. Er lopen nu verschillende studie's ... of zijn dit zoethouders ... om de A-10 toch sneller te kunnen weg serveren naar de woestijn.

Studie's van een totaal nieuw toestel als A-10 vervanger A-X programma, bestaande toestellen als A-29 Super Tucano, Beechcraft AT-6, M-346, T-50, Rextrons Scorpion worden genoemd. Dus ook toestellen die meedoen in het T-X prgramma. Of een aangepast programma AT-X, een trainer met extra lichte aanvals capaciteiten.

De vergelijkingsprogramma tussen de F-35 en A-10 in capaciteiten is pas gepland in 2018-2019, dan pas wordt duidelijk wat de tekortkomingen en voordelen zijn van de verschillende 2 toestellen.
Lijkt me nu alwel duidelijk waar zo'n onderzoek op zal eindigen;
F-35 => beter Situation Awareness, beter in slimme bommen gooien van hogere hoogten,
A-10 => beter in opereren in CAS op lage hoogte met gebruik van boordkanon.
en waarbij straks gezegd wordt zo'n "zwaar" boordkanon en vliegen op lage is niet meer van deze tijd en geeft veel meer kans om neer geschoten te worden.
   
Toekomst voor A-10 en/of gelijkwaardige opvolger ? ... blijft onzeker
Enkele weken geleden sprak ik een Zuid-Afrikaanse oud jachtvlieger.    Hij vloog in de "Border Wars" tegen o.a. Angola in Impala Mk.I's en Mk.II's.
Omdat de Zuid-Afrikaanse luchtmacht niet altijd een luchtoverwicht had werden zij gedwongen om te vliegen op een hoogte van 50 voet / 15 meter met een kruissnelheid van 550 - 650 km/uur om de MiG's en Sukhoi's te ontwijken.  Helaas hadden de tegenvoeters ook de beschikking over bewapende Mil Mi-8 en Mil Mi-24 Hind helikopters en een ruime hoeveelheid aan ZSU (mobiel) luchtdoel geschut en o.a. SAM-7 van de schouder te lanceren luchtdoel raketten en grotere SAM-8 raketten.
Dus elke coniferen (anti) broeder met een AK47 'sproeier' of een RPG-7 had hem te frasen kunnen nemen !
  De Impala is een bewapende variant op de Aermacchi MB-326 straaltrainer.
Het kleine kistje heeft maar een motor en weinig of helemaal geen bepantsering, maar had wel de beschikking over een Elektronische OorlogsVoering pakket.
De bovengenoemde kruissnelheid is idem aan die van de A-10 'Warthog'.
De Impala had ook als voordeel dat deze vanaf onverharde en primitieve vliegvelden kon opereren.  Kon dus veel dichter bij het strijdtoneel en / of veel meer verspreid worden gebaseerd.  Door deze vooruitgeschoven positionering konden de Impala's sneller reageren dan hun sneller vliegende collega's.
Dat hebben we in Afghanistan ook meegemaakt, de F-16 kon pas in 2006 vanaf Afghaanse verharde banen opereren, die nog uit het Sovjet tijdperk stamden.
De startbanen waren op 2001 -2006 in slecht conditie en de velden waren zogenaamde 'bare bases' met zeer weinig faciliteiten.   De A-10 ' Warthog' kon er echter prima op uit de weg en heeft ook geen moeite met onverharde banen.

Zet de F-35 Lightning II in op een strijdtoneel met SAM's, MiG's en Sukhoi's en dan blijkt ...
Dat de F-35 onder deze dreiging weinig overlevingskansen heeft
Toch bleek de Impala uitermate effectief en veel doelmatiger dan dure complexe, hoog subsone tot supersonisch vliegende zwaardere jachtbommenwerpers.

Doeltreffende CAS is en blijft een zaak van LOW (onder de 1.500 voet / 450 meter) en SLOW (222 - 650 km/u).

En dat doe je met een doelmatige, eenvoudig te vliegen, te onderhouden en te repareren zeer robuuste en goedkope kist.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/04/2016 | 11:18 uur
Op 1 april is er nog een bericht op het WereldWijdeWeb gekomen over een doorontwikkeling van de F-35 voor CAS, ze noemen het de F-35D+ . Deze ontwikkeling wordt niet door Lockheed Martin benoemd en/of bevestigd. ( ;) )

(https://milaviate.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/f-25d.jpg)

F-35D+ to Feature Titanium Bathtub and GAU-8 Avenger

Responding to the complaints of thousands of Facebook users on various Save The Hog and Long Live the A-10 pages, engineers have redeveloped the F-35D+ to include a titanium bathtub around the cockpit, at the cost of the aircraft's onboard electronic warfare suite, as well as some of its advanced intelligence/surveillance/tracking systems. "We're not sure why titanium bathtubs are now a selling point on aircraft that fly CAS missions, especially since they all loiter between 10,000 to 15,000 feet, out of the range of anti-aircraft guns... but hell, if it'll shut those keyboard generals up, we'll do it. Anything to keep all of that spam off our Facebook page's comment section." said Frank Philips, a program engineer involved with the F-35D+

Additionally, heeding the advice of the Facebook commenters, who presumably have aeronautical/aerospace engineering experience as well as an intimate understanding of the mechanics and specifics of close air support and battlefield air interdiction, the F-35D+ will carry the legendary GAU-8 Avenger 30mm Gatling cannon, originally designed to bust Soviet armored vehicles such as tanks and armored personnel carriers. Philips told TACAIRNET reporters: "We had to remove the F135 engine and bore a long hole through the length of the aircraft, but we managed to do it. We put the Avenger in the jet, just like everybody wanted. Will you all please just shut up now?"

As it has no real ability to fly anymore, the F-35D+  will have to be towed into position using a High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle whereupon its cannon will be hand-cranked by a team of enlisted airmen. "This is what they asked for: they wanted something low and slow, and you can't get any lower or slower than a broke-ass Humvee pulling a 50,000 lb mass of stealthy dead weight on wheels." said Gen. Clayton Phelps, whose branch of service we are still unsure of.

* Editors Note: After interviewing Mr. Philips, a team of orderlies and doctors from the Los Angeles Mental Health Institution appeared on-site and took custody of him. We have been led to assume that Mr. Philips is NOT a member of the F-35 development team and does not speak for Lockheed Martin in any way, shape or form. We apologize for any confusion this may have caused.

** Editors Note: Happy April Fools again!

https://tacairnet.com/2015/04/01/f-35d-to-feature-titanium-bathtub-and-gau-8-avenger/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/04/2016 | 13:14 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 12/04/2016 | 11:18 uur
Op 1 april is er nog een bericht op het WereldWijdeWeb gekomen over een doorontwikkeling van de F-35 voor CAS, ze noemen het de F-35D+ . Deze ontwikkeling wordt niet door Lockheed Martin benoemd en/of bevestigd. ( ;) )

(https://milaviate.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/f-25d.jpg)

En dan nu de volgende vraag. Hoeveel stuks 30 mm munitie kan er worden meegenomen?  ;)  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 12/04/2016 | 20:51 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/04/2016 | 13:14 uur
En dan nu de volgende vraag. Hoeveel stuks 30 mm munitie kan er worden meegenomen?  ;)  ;D

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/04/2016 | 14:57 uur
UK receives final F-35 test aircraft

Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly | 12 April 2016

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Aircraft BK-4, pictured on 30 January by the Air Officer Commanding No 1 Group, was delivered to 17 Squadron in mid-March. Source: Air Officer Commanding No 1 Group/Twitter

The United Kingdom has taken delivery of its fourth and final pre-operational Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), the Ministry of Defence (MoD) told IHS Jane's on 12 April.

Aircraft BK-4 arrived at Naval Air Station (NAS) Patuxent River in Maryland in February, before being delivered to 17 (Reserve) Squadron at Edwards Air Force Base (AFB) in California for operational test and evaluation (OT&E) duties in the second week of March.

With the handover, the UK's F-35B fleet now comprises BK-1 and BK-2 (OT&E), BK-3 (training), and BK-4 (OT&E). Further to these first four trials and training aircraft, 10 of the first 14 operational jets that have been authorised by parliament under the Main Gate 4 approval process have now been contracted. The first four to be built under the Lot 8 production contract, with the second batch of six following in Lot 9.

The first operational unit - 617 'Dambusters' Squadron - will begin standing up with the first 14 operational aircraft and BK-3 at Beaufort Pilot Training Center at Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) Beaufort, South Carolina, later in 2016. This unit will transfer to its future home station at RAF Marham in the United Kingdom in 2018, and in December of that year initial operating capability - land (IOC - Land) will be declared for the F-35B force.

The second unit - the Fleet Air Arm's 809 'Immortals' Naval Air Squadron (NAS) - will be created ahead of the start of sea trials aboard Queen Elizabeth in 2018, with the full operating capability (FOC - Land and Maritime) for the type being declared in 2023.

As announced in the November 2015, the Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR), the Royal Air Force (RAF), and Royal Navy (RN) are to get all 138 aircraft that were originally requested over the life of the programme.

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http://www.janes.com/article/59468/uk-receives-final-f-35-test-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/04/2016 | 18:21 uur
Israel holds firm on increasing F-35 purchase

By Arie Egozi, Tel Aviv | 15 April 2016

Israel's desire to acquire additional examples of the Lockheed Martin F-35 is likely to be advanced even if Washington does not agree to increase the level of Foreign Military Financing (FMF) made available to the nation.

The Israeli government has asked its US counterpart for a 10-year FMF package that will include an annual grant of $4.1 billion. Negotiations are continuing in an effort to reach agreement while US President Barack Obama is still in office. However, speaking on 13 April, Israeli sources said the purchase of additional F-35s is "already in the pipeline", regardless of whether the requested funding increase is approved.

Israel has signed contracts for the purchase of 33 conventional take-off and landing F-35As. Assembly work on the lead example began this year at Lockheed's Fort Worth site in Texas, and deliveries are expected to begin early next year.

The Israeli air force has expressed an operational requirement for additional examples of the Lightning II, with the further units to enable it to equip two squadrons.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/israel-holds-firm-on-increasing-f-35-purchase-424268/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/04/2016 | 11:12 uur
Denmark wants F-35, but has no money   (.. helaas ... een bekend probleem ..  :'(  (ook voor ons) )

Denmark is eager to buy up to 28 new Lockheed Martin F-35s, but nobody really knows where the money for the stealthy multi-role fighters will have to come from.

Officially the Danes haven't made a decision yet on which aircraft replaces the F-16. But the Royal Danish Air Force focuses on the American aircraft so much, that Swedish SAAB already dropped out of the race in an early stage. The Swedes don't see any fair play in the process after judging the criteria set by the Danish Ministry of Defence.

The Danes keep up appearances by saying the Eurofighter EF2000 Typhoon or the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet may still be chosen, but nobody with insight into the process really believes that is the case. Nevertheless, Boeing recently began a final charm offensive towards Copenhagen in the hope to sell its Super Hornet, in particular now that Kuwait has opted for the Typhoon over the Boeing jet.

Cost saving
In the Danish capital, the debate on where the billions of dollars for the new jets have to come from has flared up again. As a cost-saving action is likely to buy Denmark between 24 and 28 jets, down from the projected 30 to fulfill basic needs. But that won't be enough. Defence watchers fear the Danish military will be emptied from the inside – focusing on high-profile international operations with the new jet and undermining the strength on the ground and at sea.

Struggling
Denmark won't be the first. Officers of the Norwegian armed forces – Norway plans 52 F-35s – were recently ordered to turn in their sidearm, while the Norwegian navy is struggling to keep new frigates operational and manned.

For the Danes a same future lies ahead in a strategically located country that – when looking at its relatively small defence force – was already not taken seriously before NATO expanded with even less capable former Warsaw Pact countries.

Until the introduction of the new combat jet, the Royal Danish Air Force soldiers on by keeping 24 F-16s operational (with more in long-term maintenance). Their role will almost certainly be taken over by F-35s, but when and with what consequences the next few years will tell.

http://airheadsfly.com/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/04/2016 | 12:18 uur
The Air Force Initiative To Replace The A-10 Warthog Is Nothing But Vaporware

The fight to kill the A-10 Warthog rages on in Washington after the U.S. Air Force tried to sneak-retire the incredibly useful attack jet following a failure to get Congressional approval to end it outright. Now the Air Force's shell game includes a potential A-10 replacement, dubbed the A-X.

Here's what FlightGlobal reported recently:

Lt Gen James "Mike" Holmes, USAF deputy chief of staff for strategic plans and requirements, says it's the first step in the long process of planning and budgeting for an aircraft that might someday replace the hardy Fairchild Republic A-10. If approved by the air force chief of staff, a future close-air-support platform will be considered by a "planning choices" panel this fall for possible inclusion in the service's five-year budget plan for fiscal years 2018-2022.

"We are developing that draft requirements document and staffing it around the air force now," Holmes said after an Air Force Association forum in Washington DC on 7 April. "When it's ready, we'll compare that to what we have available, compare it to keeping the A-10, and compare it to what it would take to replace [the A-10] with another airplane."

Of course, none of this makes any sense at all, and is contradictory to the military's own claims that the F-35 and other platforms can do the A-10's job. What you're seeing here is just another distraction tactic being used by the Air Force to kill the Warthog once and for all.

The A-10 is an aircraft the branch has long despised, one they have been desperately trying to unload over the last half decade. The Air Force says the A-10 has only niche capabilities and that they need its manpower and the savings gained by its retirement to support the struggling F-35 program. But replacing the Warthog with another aircraft accomplishes neither of those long-stated goals.

Second, the Air Force cannot afford the programs it already has on the books, including the F-35, Next Generation Bomber, fourth-generation fighter modernization, new tanker and more. The list goes on and on to include such questionable aspirations as a sixth-generation fighter program. So how are they going to afford to develop and field a whole new type of tactical aircraft to replace the A-10?

The Air Force's fleet of Warthogs have long been paid for in full and have also been recently upgraded. Not only that, but the planes remain the cheapest front-line tactical jet to operate—yet the Air Force still says that it cannot afford to operate it. So how on earth are they going to spend billions on a new A-10 replacement aircraft program and pay to operate it once those aircraft are fielded?

There is also the question of timeline here. Under current plan the Warthog will be gone from the USAF's inventory by 2023. This is long before the USAF could develop and field anything even closely adequate. Basically they are saying, "we'll study the problem and get back to you." In other words they are waiting out the A-10's shot clock.

Third, why build a replacement for something that needs no replacement and is already the best in the world at what it does? The Air Force has already payed for a large portion of the A-10 fleet's re-winging, a process that has added many decades of service life to the Warthog. That effort continues till this very day. The relatively simple aircraft is also inexpensive to upgrade, allowing it to adapt to future requirements far easier than its supersonic stablemates.

The Air Force likes to say that the A-10 is not survivable in a war against a modern peer-state competitor, or in layman's terms, a country with power on par with America's. That is debatable on many levels, but the same can largely be said for the F-16 or F-15.

Additionally, the A-10 still has not reached its survivability potential. The addition of towed decoys, updated jamming pods and directed energy infrared countermeasures, when paired with the A-10's low-flying mission profile, would likely make them more survivable than any sub 5th generation fighter aircraft. But all this is irrelevant because no American tactical aircraft fights alone, and deploying troops to areas where the enemy has uncontested aerial supremacy is a suicidal tactic.

The idea is also laughable that the Pentagon should only buy hugely expensive weapons in vast quantities that are all capable of taking on China or Russia. This may be a great plan for defense contractors but a losing one for the U.S. military.

Decades of history tells us that the most probable wars of the future require the A-10's capabilities far more than the F-35 or other extremely high-end flying weapon system. The A-10 fleet costs less than two percent of the Air Force's entire budget to operate annually. Surely that is a small price to pay for such an effective and historically useful capability. One that is currently being used to devastating effect against ISIS in the Iraq and Syria and to deter Russian aggression in Europe.

The head of the Senate Armed Services Committee Senator John McCain summed up this absurd situation perfectly in this heated must-watch exchange with the Air Force Chief General Mark Welsh:



Finally, what does the Air Force want to replace the A-10 with? A stealthy A-10? That will never happen. First off, it will cost many tens of billions of dollars to develop and field, if we are lucky, with little added utility in return return. Second, such a program would directly threaten funding for the F-35. Third, it is not needed and the A-10s we have now are just fine for the environments in which they fight.

There is talk that maybe the A-10 would be replaced with a jet fighter-trainer aircraft derivative of the USAF next trainer aircraft that is slated to replace the T-38 Talon, a program that is underway under the name T-X.

This is like replacing the A-10 with an F-16; it makes no sense at all aside from the fact that it is cheaper than buying F-35s and it takes away all comparative advantages that the A-10 provides over 4th generation fighters already in inventory.

Also, although this is a cheaper solution than the fielding F-35s to replace nearly 300 Warthogs in inventory, it is not that cheap. These aircraft will cost tens of millions of dollars to buy and may be only marginally cheaper to operate than the A-10 in the long run.

Then there is the other side of the coin: replacing the A-10 with a small turboprop-powered light attack and surveillance aircraft such as the A-29 Super Tucano, an aircraft already in the Air Force's inventory. A small light attack and surveillance aircraft like the A-29 or OV-10 Bronco is a good addition; in fact, the U.S. should have had throngs of them a decade ago to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan alongside the A-10 and unmanned aircraft instead of flying the wings off our fast-jet fighter fleet.

While these aircraft are efficient and capable, they do not bring nearly the same combat punch or survivability to the fight that the A-10 does. They are strictly low-intensity counter-insurgency aircraft, not tank busters. They also lack the Warthog's payload and most importantly its cannon, the most precise and deadly aerial fire support tool on any jet in the Pentagon's stable.

The truth is that there is a need for a light attack and surveillance aircraft, especially for supporting special operations, but not at the cost of the A-10. In fact, they compliment each other very nicely, and would be the ideal team for fighting America's immediately foreseeable battles.

This leaves us with what will be the most likely replacement for the A-10, the F-35A. These "A-X" shenanigans are likely just a disingenuous route that will take us directly to where the Air Force has been leading Congress all along—to bolstering the F-35 program. As we have discussed many times in the past, yes the F-35 is CAS capable, and will be able to do the job in its own way with good results, but it will never capable of the same quality of close air support that the A-10 provides, nor do the job nearly as economically.

This is not a mark against the F-35; it was never meant to directly replace the A-10 and the Air Force brass were the ones that pitted the two aircraft against one another in the first place.

In all my years of closely watching defense programs and the shady politics that goes along with them, I have never seen a more deliberately dishonest campaign to eliminate a weapon system that is so effective, so efficient and so beloved by those who fly it and who it assists on the battlefield, as well as so feared by the enemy.

Above all else one fact remains uncontested: the only thing that can replace an A-10 Warthog is another A-10 Warthog, no matter how the Air Force tries to spin it.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-air-force-initiative-to-replace-the-a-10-warthog-is-1771018719
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/04/2016 | 13:54 uur
India To Pay $8.8 Billion for Rafale Fighter Jets: Reports

Agence France-Presse | April 16, 2016

NEW DELHI — India has agreed to pay $8.8 billion to France's Dassault for 36 fighter jets, reports said Friday, as sources from both countries hinted a long-delayed deal to purchase the aircraft was imminent.

.../...

Zie onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/international/asia-pacific/2016/04/16/india-pay-88-billion-rafale-fighter-jets-reports/83120806/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/04/2016 | 14:11 uur
Via www.f-16.net (http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=24483&p=321045#p321045) vond ik onderstaand document over de ontwikkeling van de A-10.

A-10 Thunderbolt II (Warthog)  SYSTEMS ENGINEERING  CASE STUDY (http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a530838.pdf)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 18/04/2016 | 14:16 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 18/04/2016 | 13:54 uur
India To Pay $8.8 Billion for Rafale Fighter Jets: Reports

Agence France-Presse | April 16, 2016

NEW DELHI — India has agreed to pay $8.8 billion to France's Dassault for 36 fighter jets, reports said Friday, as sources from both countries hinted a long-delayed deal to purchase the aircraft was imminent.

.../...

Zie onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/international/asia-pacific/2016/04/16/india-pay-88-billion-rafale-fighter-jets-reports/83120806/
zoveel ? ??dat is 240 Miljoen dollar per Rafale ?..dit moet haast wel fout zijn , zelfs met reserve onderdelen kan het nooit zo duur zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 18/04/2016 | 14:25 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 18/04/2016 | 14:16 uur
zoveel ? ??dat is 240 Miljoen dollar per Rafale ?..dit moet haast wel fout zijn , zelfs met reserve onderdelen kan het nooit zo duur zijn.

Je weet niet wat er nog meer aan vast zit hé... Wie weet zitten de initiële hoge exploitatiekosten er ook in, of technologie overdracht, opleidingen, munitiepakket, infrastructuur etc etc.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 18/04/2016 | 23:04 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 18/04/2016 | 14:25 uur
Je weet niet wat er nog meer aan vast zit hé... Wie weet zitten de initiële hoge exploitatiekosten er ook in, of technologie overdracht, opleidingen, munitiepakket, infrastructuur etc etc.

Iedereen die denkt nu dat zolang er geen F-35 of JSF voorstaat dat je zo'n straaljager voor 4 florijnen koopt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/04/2016 | 23:18 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 18/04/2016 | 23:04 uur
Iedereen die denkt nu dat zolang er geen F-35 of JSF voorstaat dat je zo'n straaljager voor 4 florijnen koopt.

Ook mijn punt, het wordt maar al te graag vergeten met als topper... de Gripen E, die is bijna gratis of verkrijgbaar met 4 volle AH spaarkaarten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 19/04/2016 | 01:21 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 18/04/2016 | 23:04 uur
Iedereen die denkt nu dat zolang er geen F-35 of JSF voorstaat dat je zo'n straaljager voor 4 florijnen koopt.

Waar zeg ik dat? Ik probeer alleen duidelijk te maken dat je uit een totale contractwaarde -waarvan je de details niet weet-, niet de stukprijs van een toestel kunt halen.

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/04/2016 | 23:18 uur
Ook mijn punt, het wordt maar al te graag vergeten met als topper... de Gripen E, die is bijna gratis of verkrijgbaar met 4 volle AH spaarkaarten.

Dacht dat we het over de Rafale hadden  :-* Jij begint!

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 19/04/2016 | 09:11 uur
U.S. poised to approve Boeing fighter jet sales to Qatar, Kuwait  ( toch nog vervolg orders voor de F-18 en F-15 ?! )

The U.S. government is poised to approve two long-delayed sales of Boeing Co fighter jets to Qatar and Kuwait, and could announce the multibillion-dollar deals during President Barack Obama's visit to the Gulf this week, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

Both deals have been stalled amid concerns raised by Israel that equipment sent to Gulf states could fall into the wrong hands and be used against it, and by the Obama administration's broader decision-making on military aid to the Gulf.

However, the Pentagon and the State Department both have signed off on the sale of some 36 F-15 fighter jets to Qatar and 24 F/A-18E/F Super Hornets to Kuwait, both built by Boeing. The White House is expected to follow suit shortly.

The sale to Kuwait is worth about $3 billion and the one to Qatar is probably close to $4 billion, sources familiar with the matter said.

"The last hurdle now is getting approval from the National Security Council and the White House," said one of the sources.

The Pentagon had no immediate comment.

A senior Obama administration official said it was the administration's policy not to comment on potential arm sales until it has formally notified Congress of an intent to sell something.

But, the official said, the United States is committed to the security and stability of the Gulf region and defense sales "fit into the overall U.S. regional diplomatic strategy."

Expected approval of the fighter jet sales comes as the White House seeks to shore up relations with Gulf allies as they increase their military capabilities amid growing fears that Washington is drawing closer to Iran in the aftermath of the nuclear deal with that country.

Senior U.S. officials, including Navy Secretary Ray Mabus have publicly urged approval of the weapons sales, which will help maintain production of the fourth-generation Boeing fighter jets, while the newer and more advanced Lockheed Martin Corp F-35 fighter jet enters service in coming years.

One senior U.S. defense official said the Pentagon is keen to see the Boeing F-15 and F/A-18 production lines in St. Louis continue and does not want to "foreclose any options on fourth-generation aircraft at this point."

Boeing already is spending "hundreds of millions" of dollars to buy long-lead materials such as titanium to prepare for a possible Kuwaiti order for F/A-18E/F Super Hornets and a separate U.S. Navy order for 12 jets put on the service's "unfunded priorities" list submitted to Congress.

The Navy is hoping that Congress will provide the funding to pay for the Boeing jets in fiscal 2017, although the planes were not included in its base budget request. It already has earmarked funding for more F/A-18E/F jets in fiscal 2018.

A larger concern now is the Boeing F-15 line, which is set to end in 2019 after Boeing completes work on a large order for Saudi Arabia, unless a follow-on order is approved.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-boeing-mideast-gulf-idUSKCN0XF2KU
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/04/2016 | 23:14 uur
Air Force to assess cost of reconstituting F-22A production line, buying 194 additional aircraft

April 19, 2016 |
Jason Sherman 

A House panel is directing the Air Force to consider restarting the F-22A production line, a potential first step in reconstituting the Lockheed Martin manufacturing program more than four years after the company disassembled the enterprise capping an epic battle between the service, which maintained a need for 381 aircraft, and the Office of the Secretary of Defense which in 2009 determined 187 are sufficient.

http://insidedefense.com/login-redirect-no-cookie?n=177465&destination=node/177465
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/04/2016 | 23:21 uur
House Lawmakers Want Air Force to Study Restarting F-22 Production

Military.com - Apr 19, 2016 | by Brendan McGarry

Republicans on a key defense committee in the U.S. House of Representatives want the Air Force to study the cost of restarting production of the F-22 fighter jet.

The House Armed Services Committee's Tactical Air and Land Forces Subcommittee, headed by Rep. Mike Turner, a Republican from Ohio, on Tuesday proposed legislation that would direct Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James "to conduct a comprehensive assessment and study of the costs associated with resuming production of F-22 aircraft," according to a copy of the bill posted online.

Former Secretary Robert Gates had famously led the charge to stop production of the F-22 Raptor, a fifth-generation stealth fighter made by Lockheed Martin Corp., in 2009 after 187 aircraft were produced.

In his memoirs, "Duty," Gates noted that former Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. T. Michael Moseley and former Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne had repeatedly lobbied him to support funding for a new stealth bomber or more F-22s, even though at the time the U.S. was engaged in irregular warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Nearly every time Moseley and Air Force Secretary Mike Wynne came to see me, it was about a new bomber or more F-22s," he wrote. "Both were important capabilities for the future, but neither would play any part in the wars we were already in."

Lawmakers and Pentagon officials have since noted with alarm the improving air defenses of countries such as Russia and China.

Last fall, Gen. Frank Gorenc, the Air Force's commander in Europe, said Russia's development of new surface-to-air missile systems and other air defenses has "closed the gap" between U.S. air superiority.

Russia in recent years has deployed an increasing number of higher quality air defense systems, particularly in and around Kaliningrad and Crimea to limit the ability of U.S. and NATO aircraft to enter its airspace, according to Air Force Gen. Frank Gorenc, the service's European commander.

"I don't think it's controversial to say that they've closed the gap in capability -- not just in Europe, everywhere," he said during a Sept. 15 speech at the Air and Space Conference, held near Washington, D.C., and organized by the Air Force Association.

The Russians have multiple surface-to-air missiles systems designed to target high-altitude aircraft, from the S-400, arguably the most advanced such system in the world, to the S-75A Dvina, which in 1960 was employed to shoot down an American-made U-2 spy plane as it traveled over Soviet airspace.

China, meanwhile, has recently deployed fighter jets -- reportedly 16 Shenyang J-11 advanced fighter aircraft -- and HQ-9 surface-to-air missile batteries to Woody Island in the South China Sea as part of an ongoing military buildup there.

"In light of growing threats to U.S. air superiority as a result of adversaries closing the technology gap and increasing demand from allies and partners for highperformance, multi-role aircraft to meet evolving and worsening global security threats, the committee believes that such proposals are worthy of further exploration," the House Republicans wrote in the proposed legislation.

The language also notes that Air Combat Command has a stated requirement for 381 F-22s and that the initial program objective called for producing a total of 749 aircraft.

The bill would require James to review anticipated future air superiority capacity and capability requirements, estimated costs to restart F-22 production, factors impacting such costs, historical lessons from past aircraft production restarts, and any other matters the secretary deems relevant, according to the proposal.

A report on the findings would be due to lawmakers by Jan. 1.

The proposal, part of the annual defense authorization legislation, is far from becoming reality. Senators on the counterpart panel would need to support the measure -- as would both chambers and the president -- before the secretary would be required to carry it out.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/04/19/house-lawmakers-air-force-study-restarting-f22-production.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 21/04/2016 | 09:02 uur
F-35B May Be In Spanish Navy's Future 
(... allemaal nog maar ideeen, niets concreets... maar als ze na de AV-8B een zelfde soort type toestel willen bij de Spaanse Marine, dan is er maar 1 type wat als vervanger kan dienen... F-35B )

The Spanish Navy has a midterm problem to tackle or maybe it would be more accurate to say it has a dilemma the country's next defense minister must solve: Should the force continue with fixed-wing combat aviation and, if yes, is the F-35B the solution?

According to Admiral Chief of Naval Staff Jaime Muñoz-Delgado, "Our fleet of Harrier aircraft has a useful life until the period between 2025 and 2027. And there is only one short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) option on the market: Lockheed Martin's F-35B. This is the reality."

..../.....

"There isn't an official plan or proposal to pursue the acquisition of F-35Bs but the problem will be there in 10 years," Muñoz-Delgado stressed.

He mentioned the possibility of a joint strategy with the Spanish Air Force, which in the 2020s will need to start thinking about replacing its F-18s.

The US Marine Corps' F-35B reached initial operational capability last July 31. The variant is also being delivered to the UK, and the Italian Air Force will also operate it.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/naval/naval-aviation/2016/04/20/f-35b-may-spanish-navys-future/83270268/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 21/04/2016 | 09:39 uur
Kunnen de spanjaarden die betalen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 21/04/2016 | 10:12 uur
Indien hun Harrier klonen toch nog luchtwaardig en inzetbaar zijn tot 2025-2027 dan geeft hen dit alvast nog wat tijd om de kat uit de boom te kijken vwb de capaciteiten van de F-35B.
Immers, waarom massa's geld uitgeven aan iets wat niet denderend is...
En indien de Spaanse marines budget een serieuze knauw zou krijgen bij de inkoop van dat toestel, zodat andere capaciteiten daaronder zouden komen te lijden moet men maar overwegen deze capaciteit af te stoten.

De Britten gaan hun F-35B "keuze" nog beklagen... bouwen twee enorme carriers om dan uiteindelijk weer met zo'n STOVL toestel opgescheept te zitten, met alle beperkingen van dien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 21/04/2016 | 10:20 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 21/04/2016 | 09:39 uur
Kunnen de spanjaarden die betalen?

Dat is idd een goede vraag... zoals het er nu op lijkt en zoals ook al aangegeven de vervanging van hun F-18 vloot komt er ook aan. Dus de centjes zullen spaarzaam en goed benut moeten worden, want zoveel is er niet. En wat is lees hebben ze geen budget gereserveerd voor een vervanging, dus ...

Ik denk dat Spanje straks de F-18 niet vervangt en alleen de Eurofighter overhoudt en wellicht hierdoor wel een aantal F-35B zal aanschaffen. Maar deze keuze is ook afhankelijk wat ze willen met hun Marine, de Juan Carlos I. is nu zo'n 5-6 jaar in dienst. dus zal zeker nog tot 2040 blijven varen. Gezien de leeftijd van de Juan Carlos I, is het wenselijk om de F-35B aan te schaffen om de functie en de capaciteit te behouden.

Ik denk ook dat Spanje niet voor de F-35A zal gaan kiezen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/04/2016 | 10:33 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 21/04/2016 | 10:12 uur
De Britten gaan hun F-35B "keuze" nog beklagen... bouwen twee enorme carriers om dan uiteindelijk weer met zo'n STOVL toestel opgescheept te zitten, met alle beperkingen van dien.

Of de Britten en de Italianen gaan zich beklagen over de F-35B of zij menen straks wel iets goeds te hebben.

Misschien kan Spanje wat AV-8B Harrier II Plus onderdelen e.d. van Italië overnemen om 2027 zeker te halen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 21/04/2016 | 14:59 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/04/2016 | 23:21 uur
House Lawmakers Want Air Force to Study Restarting F-22 Production

Military.com - Apr 19, 2016 | by Brendan McGarry

Republicans on a key defense committee in the U.S. House of Representatives want the Air Force to study the cost of restarting production of the F-22 fighter jet.

The House Armed Services Committee's Tactical Air and Land Forces Subcommittee, headed by Rep. Mike Turner, a Republican from Ohio, on Tuesday proposed legislation that would direct Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James "to conduct a comprehensive assessment and study of the costs associated with resuming production of F-22 aircraft," according to a copy of the bill posted online.

Former Secretary Robert Gates had famously led the charge to stop production of the F-22 Raptor, a fifth-generation stealth fighter made by Lockheed Martin Corp., in 2009 after 187 aircraft were produced.

In his memoirs, "Duty," Gates noted that former Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. T. Michael Moseley and former Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne had repeatedly lobbied him to support funding for a new stealth bomber or more F-22s, even though at the time the U.S. was engaged in irregular warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Nearly every time Moseley and Air Force Secretary Mike Wynne came to see me, it was about a new bomber or more F-22s," he wrote. "Both were important capabilities for the future, but neither would play any part in the wars we were already in."

Lawmakers and Pentagon officials have since noted with alarm the improving air defenses of countries such as Russia and China.

Last fall, Gen. Frank Gorenc, the Air Force's commander in Europe, said Russia's development of new surface-to-air missile systems and other air defenses has "closed the gap" between U.S. air superiority.

Russia in recent years has deployed an increasing number of higher quality air defense systems, particularly in and around Kaliningrad and Crimea to limit the ability of U.S. and NATO aircraft to enter its airspace, according to Air Force Gen. Frank Gorenc, the service's European commander.

"I don't think it's controversial to say that they've closed the gap in capability -- not just in Europe, everywhere," he said during a Sept. 15 speech at the Air and Space Conference, held near Washington, D.C., and organized by the Air Force Association.

The Russians have multiple surface-to-air missiles systems designed to target high-altitude aircraft, from the S-400, arguably the most advanced such system in the world, to the S-75A Dvina, which in 1960 was employed to shoot down an American-made U-2 spy plane as it traveled over Soviet airspace.

China, meanwhile, has recently deployed fighter jets -- reportedly 16 Shenyang J-11 advanced fighter aircraft -- and HQ-9 surface-to-air missile batteries to Woody Island in the South China Sea as part of an ongoing military buildup there.

"In light of growing threats to U.S. air superiority as a result of adversaries closing the technology gap and increasing demand from allies and partners for highperformance, multi-role aircraft to meet evolving and worsening global security threats, the committee believes that such proposals are worthy of further exploration," the House Republicans wrote in the proposed legislation.

The language also notes that Air Combat Command has a stated requirement for 381 F-22s and that the initial program objective called for producing a total of 749 aircraft.

The bill would require James to review anticipated future air superiority capacity and capability requirements, estimated costs to restart F-22 production, factors impacting such costs, historical lessons from past aircraft production restarts, and any other matters the secretary deems relevant, according to the proposal.

A report on the findings would be due to lawmakers by Jan. 1.

The proposal, part of the annual defense authorization legislation, is far from becoming reality. Senators on the counterpart panel would need to support the measure -- as would both chambers and the president -- before the secretary would be required to carry it out.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/04/19/house-lawmakers-air-force-study-restarting-f22-production.html
Als de Amerikanen de komende jaren het luchtoverwicht willen houden zal dit toch echt moeten gebeuren
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 21/04/2016 | 15:00 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 21/04/2016 | 10:12 uur
De Britten gaan hun F-35B "keuze" nog beklagen... bouwen twee enorme carriers om dan uiteindelijk weer met zo'n STOVL toestel opgescheept te zitten, met alle beperkingen van dien.
Ik vermoed dat de keuze om de QE klasse niet geschikt te maken voor de F-35C een typisch geval van goedkoop is uiteindelijk duurkoop gaat worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 21/04/2016 | 15:03 uur
Ik heb ook nooit begrepen waarom ze gestopt zijn bij 185 Raptors...goed als de produktie weer opgestart gaat worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 21/04/2016 | 15:06 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 21/04/2016 | 15:03 uur
Ik heb ook nooit begrepen waarom ze gestopt zijn bij 185 Raptors...
Ik ook niet, al is het wel een duur beestje
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 21/04/2016 | 15:03 uur
goed als de produktie weer opgestart gaat worden.
Dat is maar de vraag, wordt nu onderzocht.
Bij een Republikeinse president heb ik er wel goede hoop op
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/04/2016 | 15:50 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 21/04/2016 | 15:03 uur
Ik heb ook nooit begrepen waarom ze gestopt zijn bij 185 Raptors...goed als de produktie weer opgestart gaat worden.

Het lijkt mij uiterst twijfelachtig. Dat ze de productie nooit hadden moeten stoppen is meer dan duidelijk. Ik denk dat er versneld ingezet gaat worden op de F/X
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/04/2016 | 16:19 uur
Maiden Flight of X-2 Fighter Canceled (Wanneer het weer het laatste woord heeft  :angel:)

The Japan News | April 20, 2016

KOMAKI, Japan --- The Acquisition Technology and Logistics Agency canceled the maiden flight on Wednesday of a prototype of the first domestically developed stealth aircraft, dubbed X-2, due to bad weather.

The flight was planned to take place from Aichi Prefecture's Nagoya Airport in the town of Toyoyama to the Air Self-Defense Force's Gifu Air Base in Kakamigahara, Gifu Prefecture.

"The aircraft has no problem, but we canceled the flight due to low-hanging clouds," Takahiro Yoshida, a senior official for supervision of aircraft operations at the agency, said at the ASDF's Komaki Air Base in Aichi Prefecture.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/173190/weather-cancels-first-flight-of-japan%E2%80%99s-x_2-fighter.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/04/2016 | 07:12 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 22/04/2016 | 00:30 uur
Maar dat zou zelf wel een F22 NG kunnen zijn.

Zou natuurlijk kunnen al kunnen ze dan ook het F23 concept weer van stal halen  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/04/2016 | 08:07 uur
Navy Seeking 'Family of Systems' to Replace Super Hornets, Growlers; Sheds F/A-XX Title

https://news.usni.org/2016/04/21/navy-seeking-family-of-systems-to-replace-super-hornets-growlers-sheds-fa-xx-title
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/04/2016 | 09:21 uur
PICTURE: Mitsubishi X-2 completes maiden sortie

By Greg Waldron, Singapore | 22 April 2016

The Mitsubishi X-2 fighter technology demonstrator aircraft has conducted its maiden flight from Nagoya International Airport.

The jet performed basic operations during the flight including climbing, descending, and circling, says Mitsubishi Heavy Industries in a statement.

After the flight, the MHI test pilot said the aircraft was "extremely stable" and handling was identical to pre-flight simulations.

"The X-2 is a prototype stealth aircraft - the first in Japan to feature technology impeding its detection by radar - engineered for extremely high manoeuvrability," says MHI. "The prototype integrates an airframe, engines, and other advanced systems and equipment all adaptable to future fighters."

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=66784)

MHI has been working on the programme for seven years with 220 domestic companies. Japan's Acquisition, Technology & Logistics Agency (ALTA) is also playing a major role in the programme.

The aircraft, formerly designated ATD-X, is designed to help Japan explore advanced fighter technologies such as stealth, thrust vectoring, advanced sensors, and datalinks. It will not be developed into an operational fighter aircraft, but rather help Tokyo gain know-how for future fighter programmes.

Powered by two IHI XF5-1 low-bypass engines, the aircraft small by fighter standards with a length of 14.2m (46.5ft) and a wingspan of 9.1m.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/picture-mitsubishi-x-2-completes-maiden-sortie-424499/
https://www.mhi-global.com/news/story/1604221975.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/04/2016 | 10:40 uur
UK Wants To Be Europe's F-35 Avionics Sustainment Hub

Aaron Mehta and  Andrew Chuter, Defense News | April 21, 2016

NAVAL SUBMARINE BASE KINGS BAY and LONDON — The United Kingdom plans to bid for the rights to be the avionics sustainment hub in Europe for the F-35 joint strike fighter program, according to Philip Dunne, UK defense procurement minister.

.../...

Zie onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/support/2016/04/21/uk-wants-f35-avionics-sustainment-hub-europe-jsf/83280916/

Zie ook de laatste vier alinea's over het idee om op vliegbasis RAF Marham een internationale F-35 training centrum te plaatsen en dat van de 138 F-35 ook een andere versie dan de F-35B zou kunnen worden aangeschaft.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 22/04/2016 | 13:23 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 22/04/2016 | 10:40 uur
Zie ook de laatste vier alinea's over het idee om op vliegbasis RAF Marham een internationale F-35 training centrum te plaatsen en dat van de 138 F-35 ook een andere versie dan de F-35B zou kunnen worden aangeschaft.
Als ik de Britten was zou k t minimale aantal F-35B's wat nodig is voor de carriers aanschaffen(+-40?) en de rest van de order omzetten in de F-35A, de A versie is een stuk goedkoper, presteert beter en heeft dezelfde taakstelling als de tornado. Jammer dat de RAF dan geen vervanging voor de harrier krijgt maar dan heb je wel een stevige vervanging voor de tornado ipv deze compromis.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/04/2016 | 13:33 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 22/04/2016 | 13:23 uur
Als ik de Britten was zou k t minimale aantal F-35B's wat nodig is voor de carriers aanschaffen(+-40?) en de rest van de order omzetten in de F-35A, de A versie is een stuk goedkoper, presteert beter en heeft dezelfde taakstelling als de tornado. Jammer dat de RAF dan geen vervanging voor de harrier krijgt maar dan heb je wel een stevige vervanging voor de tornado ipv deze compromis.

40 x de B  voor 2 carriers, elk met een capaciteit van 50 vliegtuigen, is wel aan de hele magere kant.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 22/04/2016 | 13:35 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/04/2016 | 13:33 uur
40 x de B  voor 2 carriers, elk met een capaciteit van 50 vliegtuigen, is wel aan de hele magere kant.
De 2de carrier wordt toch meer amfibisch uitgerust?
Verder zullen ze normaal gesproken een gemengde bezetting van F-35's en heli's hebben en dus maar met +-20 F-35's varen.
Maar misschien is +-50 een beter aantal, bij 138 kisten(als ze die daadwerkelijk allemaal gaan aanschaffen) kan je dan nog 88 A's voor de RAF kopen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/04/2016 | 13:44 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 22/04/2016 | 13:35 uur
De 2de carrier wordt toch meer amfibisch uitgerust?
Verder zullen ze normaal gesproken een gemengde bezetting van F-35's en heli's hebben en dus maar met +-20 F-35's varen.
Maar misschien is +-50 een beter aantal, bij 138 kisten kan je dan nog 88 A's voor de RAF kopen.

Bij mijn beste weten wordt de 2e carrier een volwaardige en het amfibische verhaal in de meest recent SDR definitief terg gedraaid.

24 (2 x naval sqn van 12) lijkt mij een minimum per carrier en dan hebben we nog wat reserve en trainingskisten.

Een 50/50 verdeling tussen A en B lijkt mij de betere oplossing of minimaal 60x de F35B
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/04/2016 | 14:06 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/04/2016 | 13:44 uur
Bij mijn beste weten wordt de 2e carrier een volwaardige en het amfibische verhaal in de meest recent SDR definitief terg gedraaid.

24 (2 x naval sqn van 12) lijkt mij een minimum per carrier en dan hebben we nog wat reserve en trainingskisten.

Een 50/50 verdeling tussen A en B lijkt mij de betere oplossing of minimaal 60x de F35B

Zowel de Queen Elizabeth als de Prince of Wales zijn STOVL vliegkampschepen. Omdat de HMS Ocean t.z.t. komt te vervallen, zal de Prince of Wales ook als Landing Platform Helicopter (LPH) dienen. Dit plan is niet teruggedraaid.

Zie reactie #150 in onderstaande link.
http://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/index.php/topic,16639.msg379345.html#msg379345

Naast minimaal 24 x F-35B (2 squadrons) voor de carrier air group, dan ook minimaal 24 stuks voor inzet vanaf land. Inclusief een OCU en/of reserve zit je dan inderdaad aan +/- 60 x F-35B.

Edit. Heb nog een keer de 2015 SDSR doorgespit. Een quote van pagina 31.
Royal Marines of 3 Commando Brigade who are trained and equipped to provide specialist amphibious and Arctic warfare capabilities. We will enhance a Queen Elizabeth Class aircraft carrier to support this amphibious capability.

National Security Strategy  and Strategic Defence and Security Review 2015 (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/478933/52309_Cm_9161_NSS_SD_Review_web_only.pdf)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/04/2016 | 14:48 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 22/04/2016 | 14:06 uur
Zowel de Queen Elizabeth als de Prince of Wales zijn STOVL vliegkampschepen. Omdat de HMS Ocean t.z.t. komt te vervallen, zal de Prince of Wales ook als Landing Platform Helicopter (LPH) dienen. Dit plan is niet teruggedraaid.

Zie reactie #150 in onderstaande link.
http://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/index.php/topic,16639.msg379345.html#msg379345

Naast minimaal 24 x F-35B (2 squadrons) voor de carrier air group, dan ook minimaal 24 stuks voor inzet vanaf land. Inclusief een OCU en/of reserve zit je dan inderdaad aan +/- 60 x F-35B.

Edit. Heb nog een keer de 2015 SDSR doorgespit. Een quote van pagina 31.
Royal Marines of 3 Commando Brigade who are trained and equipped to provide specialist amphibious and Arctic warfare capabilities. We will enhance a Queen Elizabeth Class aircraft carrier to support this amphibious capability.

National Security Strategy  and Strategic Defence and Security Review 2015 (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/478933/52309_Cm_9161_NSS_SD_Review_web_only.pdf)

Ok helder, dan heb ik mij vergist. Wat betekend dat voor het aantal F35B a/b HMS Prince of Wales?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 22/04/2016 | 14:53 uur
Is de P of W zowel als carrier als als LPH in te zetten of kan hij straks geen F-35B's meer afhandelen en vervoeren dankzij de verbouwing?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/04/2016 | 14:57 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 22/04/2016 | 14:53 uur
Is de P of W zowel als carrier als als LPH in te zetten of kan hij straks geen F-35B's meer afhandelen en vervoeren dankzij de verbouwing?

Ik mag hopen dat deze gewoon in staat zal zijn om F35B's af te handelen, zo niet dan hebben de Britten enorme bakken met geld weggesmeten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 22/04/2016 | 14:59 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/04/2016 | 14:57 uur
Ik mag hopen dat deze gewoon in staat zal zijn om F35B's af te handelen, zo niet dan hebben de Britten enorme bakken met geld weggesmeten.
Ze hebben sowieso al bakken met geld verspilt door de klasse niet geschikt te maken voor CATOBAR toestellen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/04/2016 | 15:00 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/04/2016 | 14:48 uur
Ok helder, dan heb ik mij vergist. Wat betekend dat voor het aantal F35B a/b HMS Prince of Wales?

Slechts één van de twee vliegkampschepen wordt operationeel gebruikt (dit staat ook in de SDSR). Als bijvoorbeeld de Prince of Wales operationeel is en als LPH wordt gebruikt, dan gaan er geen F-35B mee.

Citaat van: JdL op 22/04/2016 | 14:53 uur
Is de P of W zowel als carrier als als LPH in te zetten of kan hij straks geen F-35B's meer afhandelen en vervoeren dankzij de verbouwing?

De HMS Prince of Wales blijft een vliegkampschip dat of F-35B's kan inzetten of als commando carrier (ook een Britse uitvinding) wordt gebruikt.

Cross-decking met bijvoorbeeld de USMC zal denk ik in de toekomst veel vaker gaan gebeuren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/04/2016 | 16:45 uur
Defence Forces Logistics Department Issues Request for Information for the Acquisition of a Hornet Replacement

Finland Ministry of Defence | April 22, 2016
Issued in Finnish only; unofficial translation by Defense-Aerospace.com

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.defense-aerospace.com%2Fbase%2Futil%2F173221_1F.jpg&hash=179b20ff7ac7dd0fe91accd780fbac76dc217ee4)
Finland's F-18 Hornet fighters are due to retire by the end of the next decade, and Finland wants to phase in their replacement beginning in 2025. Its acquisition plan calls for a tender by 2018 and a contract by 2021. (Finnish AF photo)

The Defence Forces Logistics Department has sent a Request for Information for the acquisition of a Hornet replacement to the UK, France, Sweden and US defense administrations. They are asked to forward the Request for Information for future multi-purpose fighters to the appropriate manufacturers in their country.

A Request for information (RFI) precedes the actual purchase. After analyzing the responses to the Request for Information, invitations to tender are issued, and the actual purchase of the aircraft is not made until after that.

The Request for Information aims to collect opinions on what solutions recipients can propose to replace the Hornet's capabilities in the post-2030 security environment. The Request for Information acquires information that is used for detailed planning and budgeting, procurement and purchasing, allowing the refinement of the requirements for the multi-purpose fighters.

The request for information requested budgetary estimates of the cost of the acquisition, the operation and maintenance of the air systems, and the methodology of how they were calculated.

The systems under consideration comprise, in addition to the aircraft themselves, other necessary equipment such as weapons, training equipment, management systems and arrangements necessary for maintenance.

Respondents may also provide solutions that can, for example, include more than one type of aircraft and/or unmanned aerial vehicles, to complement the operational performance of the multi-purpose fighter aircraft.

The information request was sent to the defense administrations of the countries which currently produce such multi-purpose fighter jets and related systems, and which could meet the requirements of Finnish Hornet's performance over the years. The RFI also contains detailed information about the air defense policies and future level of performance. Many of the data as well as the responses to the RFI, are confidential.

The retirement date of the Hornet has been included in the overall schedule. The basic requirement is that the new multi-purpose fighter jets must be in service when the Hornet fleet will have to be decommissioned. The acquisition is very large and complex.

Replies to the RFI have been requested by the end of 2016. The tender for the Hornet replacement solution is due to be issued in 2018, and the award decision is planned in 2021.

At this stage the Air Force does not want to restrict the types of aircraft that can be proposed. For the preparation of the contract, and for the competitive evaluation, it is good to obtain information about a range of aircraft types.

Nevertheless, answers to the Request for Information are expected the following aircraft types: Boeing F-15 and F/A-18E/F; Dassault Rafale; Eurofighter Typhoon; Lockheed Martin F-16 and F-35 and Saab Gripen.

Information is also needed about related training for new systems. For example, instructors must start using the new aircraft -- and training of technical personnel -- is usually provided by the armed forces of the supplier nation. The Air Force is also interested in the early development of the use of these systems, which is usually provided by the manufacturer countries' defense administrations. Thus, at least parts of the replies to the RFIs are likely to come from national defense administrations.

The H-X project calls for the new multipurpose fighter to enter service from 2025. The Hornet's design life cycle will end by the end of the next decade.

The project "owner" is the commander of the Air Force, the project's technical and commercial preparation is under the responsibility of the Defence Forces Logistics Department, under the material and political guidance of the Ministry of Defence.

For the project's RFI phase, Air Force Commander Major-General Kim Jäämeri, Ministry of Defence project coordinator Lauri Puranen and Defence Forces Logistics Deputy Director Brigadier-General Kari Renko are familiarizing the representatives of the administrations and manufacturers of the different countries about the Request for Information, its objective and about the project as a whole.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/173221/finland-issues-rfi-for-hornet-replacement.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/04/2016 | 20:00 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zeewier op 23/04/2016 | 00:11 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 22/04/2016 | 14:59 uur
Ze hebben sowieso al bakken met geld verspilt door de klasse niet geschikt te maken voor CATOBAR toestellen.
Naar mijn mening is CATOBAR nooit echt aan de orde geweest voor de Queen Elizabeth klasse. Er van uit gaande dat electromagnetisch catapulteren onhaalbaar is voor de Britten. De kabels & pullies dwars door de dekken, dat teken je niet later zomaar in het ontwerp. De arresting gear hetzelfde verhaal. De stoomketels, de heaters (non-nucleair), hoe stook je die? Het kan wel maar de stoomketels permanent heet houden kost wel muntjes. Een beetje futuristisch gedacht moet je aan waterstof generatoren of vloeibaar gas denken mocht je het energetisch probleem "conventioneel" willen oplossen zonder gebruik te maken van stookolie of kolen.

Sowieso is de F -35B voor veel naties (Italië, Spanje,Japan, Zuid-Korea) de enige optie. BAe Systems bepaald dan toch in enige mate wat de keuze werd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/04/2016 | 10:01 uur
Want More F-22s? Here's What That Would Take

April 22, 2016 By Marcus Weisgerber 

Congress is inquiring about restarting the Raptor production line, cold for almost five years now.

U.S. lawmakers have asked the Air Force about the possibility of restarting production of the F-22 Raptor fighter jet, an endeavor that would be far more complicated than signing a check and flipping the lights back on.

In its review of the 2017 defense authorization bill, the House Armed Services Committee asked service leaders to look into what it would take to build 194 new Raptors, enough to finally meet the Air Force's long-stated requirement of 381 jets. HASC chairman Rep. Mac Thornberry, R-Texas, and others say the world has changed since 2009, when Defense Secretary Robert Gates halted the F-22 program at 187 aircraft in order to double down on the multirole F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. For one thing, the stealthy, supercruising Raptor was expected to keep the U.S. as undisputed king of air-to-air combat for decades. That turned to be overly optimistic.

"We've seen both Russia and China develop airplanes faster than was anticipated," Air Force Lt. Gen. James Holmes, deputy chief of staff for strategic plans and requirements, told the Senate Armed Services Committee at a March 8 hearing.

Meanwhile, the prospect of conflict with those two nations seems less far-fetched than it once did. Indeed, the F-22 made its first two operational deployments to Europe — last August and again this month — in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and aggressive maneuvers in Eastern Europe.

"I don't know that [more F-22s] is the answer, but in my town hall meetings, I get asked about this," Thornberry said Thursday at a Defense Writers Group breakfast. "I think enough members were getting the question that the decision was made, see what [the Pentagon] says about that," he said. "The answer may well come back: 'It doesn't make sense.' I don't know, but we'll ask the question."

Part of the answer will surely be: easier said than done.

Finding the Money

First, the Air Force would need to find a boatload of money that it doesn't have. The service is already buying fewer F-35 Joint Strike Fighters than it wants to because of the budget crunch. It also has plans to buy aerial refueling tankers, stealth bombers, radar planes, search-and-rescue helicopters, jet trainers, a new Air Force One, and ICBM-security helicopters. "If the F-22 is restarted, it will likely come at the expense of some of those other aircraft programs," said Todd Harrison, a Pentagon budget analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Two years before Lockheed shuttered the F-22's final assembly line, a RAND study calculate that restarting production to build 75 new jets would cost $17 billion. Adjust for inflation and boost production to 194 Raptors, and the total price tag likely approaches $30 billion.

"We're talking tens of billions of dollars to buy these jets, at the exact time that the Air Force has an aircraft modernization bow wave that's just incredible," Harrison said. "This would just add right on top of the peak years of the Air Force's bow wave."

Meanwhile, the Pentagon's budget is capped through 2021, meaning Congress and the next president would have to break and reforge the existing budget deal to free up the money.

Perhaps the U.S. could defray the cost of restarting production by selling some F-22s abroad? Japan, Israel, and Australia all have wanted the Raptor at one time or another. There's a hitch, however: it's illegal to sell the jet abroad. That law was written by Rep. Dave Obey, D-Ohio, who retired in 2011 after more than 40 years in Congress. Still, the lawmakers who requested the study don't see the Obey Amendment as a show-stopper; they are asking the Air Force to assess the potential market.

Reengineering the Plane

A second problem, or perhaps an opportunity, is that the new Raptor would need new electronic guts. The original electronic specifications are long obsolete; the plane first flew in 1997 and entered service in 2005. Indeed, the Air Force is now amid a $1.5 billion effort to bring all 183 existing F-22s up to a single software and hardware standard.

Redesigned, more modern electronics could breathe new life and longevity into the F-22. First off, the prospective new Raptors won't start arriving for five years or even longer, meaning that to build them to today's standard means they will be half a decade old coming off the line. For another thing, much of the internal hardware is dated, so it will have to be created from scratch anyway.

Some have suggested equipping the new F-22s — call them F-22Bs — with the more advanced computer processors and radar of its younger cousin, the F-35.

"The F-35 is an amazing mission equipment package in search of a good air vehicle and the F-22 is an amazing air vehicle in search of a good mission equipment package," said Richard Aboulafia of the Teal Group. The twin-engine Raptor is, for example, far more agile than the Lightning II.

Perhaps the F-22B could even be fitted with the secret jet engine being built by Pratt & Whitney for the new B-21 stealth bomber, allowing it to leap a generation of power plant technology, Aboulafia said.

"There's a chance for a migration of technology to come full circle," he said.

While the guts of the F-22 would need an upgrade, the plane's structural design is sound, Aboulafia said.

Finding a Place to Build it

Then there's finding space to build the plane and its almost innumerable specialty components. Lockheed, Boeing and Pratt & Whitney were the three big F-22 contractors, but there were more than 1,000 F-22 suppliers from firms in 44 states, according to the Congressional Research Service. Lockheed said 25,000 jobs were directly tied to the project.

The factory floor spaces that once assembled the world's most complex fighter jet have long since been given over to newer projects. In the Seattle factory that used to build Raptor wings and aft fuselages, Boeing now does commercial work. Pratt, which built its final Raptor F119 engine in 2012, now overhauls the engines at Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma.

Final assembly took place at Air Force Plant 6, nestled in the northwest corner of Dobbins Air Reserve Base in Georgia. Lockheed now uses the space is now used to build C-130J, make center wings for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, and overhaul massive C-5 Galaxy cargo planes.

After the final F-22 was delivered to the Air Force in early 2012, all of the tooling and structures were packed up and sent to the Sierra Army Depot, in northeast California near the Nevada border.

Even if new space could be found and the tooling set up once more, it would take considerable effort to assemble and train a new workforce to build the F-22. Lockheed took care to capture as much knowledge as possible before the line closed. "Every F-22 assembly process has also been videotaped, photographed, recorded, and stored," the company wrote in 2012.

But Harrison said that only goes so far. "If you have videos, that will help, but you lose a lot of your learning-curve efficiencies," he said. "You're basically starting over with a new workforce."

All in all, if the Air Force study recommends restarting production, and somehow the money is found, the design updated, the supply chain rebuilt, the production spaces reconstituted, and a new workforce trained up, the new Raptors would not arrive until after 2020.

"It would be almost a decade shut down by the time this would actually get going again," Harrison said.

But for true believers, national security is worth the time and trouble. T. Michael Moseley, the former Air Force chief of staff who locked horns with Gates over the F-22, still believes the service needs more Raptors. "I believe a restart is absolutely required to be able to modernize/recap the [Air Force]," he said.

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/04/want-more-f-22s-heres-what-would-take/127729/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 23/04/2016 | 11:43 uur
Citaat van: Zeewier op 23/04/2016 | 00:11 uur
Naar mijn mening is CATOBAR nooit echt aan de orde geweest voor de Queen Elizabeth klasse. Er van uit gaande dat electromagnetisch catapulteren onhaalbaar is voor de Britten. De kabels & pullies dwars door de dekken, dat teken je niet later zomaar in het ontwerp. De arresting gear hetzelfde verhaal. De stoomketels, de heaters (non-nucleair), hoe stook je die? Het kan wel maar de stoomketels permanent heet houden kost wel muntjes. Een beetje futuristisch gedacht moet je aan waterstof generatoren of vloeibaar gas denken mocht je het energetisch probleem "conventioneel" willen oplossen zonder gebruik te maken van stookolie of kolen.

Sowieso is de F -35B voor veel naties (Italië, Spanje,Japan, Zuid-Korea) de enige optie. BAe Systems bepaald dan toch in enige mate wat de keuze werd.

De kosten voor het ombouwen van de Queen Elizabeth klasse waren te duur maar men was wel bezig met een Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System voor de Queen Elizabeth klasse.

Advantages

Compared to steam catapults, EMALS weighs less, occupies less space, requires less maintenance and manpower, is more reliable, recharges more quickly, and uses less energy. Steam catapults, which use about 1350 pounds of steam per launch, have extensive mechanical, pneumatic, and hydraulic subsystems.  EMALS uses no steam, which makes it suitable for the Navy's planned all-electric ships.

Compared to steam catapults, EMALS can control the launch performance with greater precision, allowing it to launch more kinds of aircraft, from heavy fighter jets to light unmanned aircraft.

Each one of the four disk alternators in the EMALS system can deliver 29 percent more energy than a steam catapult's approximately 95 megajoules; each disk alternator can supply up to 121 megajoules. The EMALS will also be more efficient than the 5-percent efficiency of steam catapults.

Converteam UK were working on an electro-magnetic catapult (EMCAT) system for the Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier. In August 2009, speculation mounted that the UK may drop the STOVL F-35B for the CTOL F-35C model, which would have meant the carriers being built to operate conventional takeoff and landing aircraft utilizing the UK-designed non-steam EMCAT catapults

In October 2010, the UK Government announced it had opted to buy the F-35C, using a then-undecided CATOBAR system. A contract was signed in December 2011 with General Atomics of San Diego to develop EMALS for the Queen Elizabeth-class carriers. However, in May 2012, the UK Government reversed its decision after the projected costs rose to double the original estimate and delivery moved back to 2023, cancelling the F-35C option and reverting to its original decision to buy the STOVL F-35B

The Indian navy has shown interest in installing EMALS for its planned CATOBAR Supercarrier INS Vishal  Indian government has shown interest to produce the Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System locally with the assistance of General Atomics

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/04/2016 | 12:50 uur
Lockheed Martin readies Japan's first F-35A for September roll-out, advances international programmes

Kelvin Wong, Fort Worth, Texas - IHS Jane's International Defence Review | 25 April 2016

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Japan's first F-35A will roll out of Lockheed Martin's Fort Worth plant in September 2016, which will subsequently be assigned to Luke Air Force Base for training the first batch of Japanese F-35 pilots. A US Air Force F-35A is pictured on the flight line at the same facility. Source: IHS/Kelvin Wong

Key Points
• Japan's first F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter is expected to be fully assembled at Lockheed Martin's Fort Worth production facility in time for a 29 September roll-out
• Other new international customers, such as Israel and South Korea, are also expected to receive their first aircraft within the next two years

Japan's first conventional take-off and landing (CTOL) F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter, designated aircraft AX-1, is on track for roll-out on 29 September, IHS Jane's has learnt during a tour of Lockheed Martin's F-35 production facility in Fort Worth, Texas, where the first four aircraft destined for the Japan Air Self-Defense Force (JASDF) are being assembled.

AX-1 will then undergo a series of tests before being delivered on a yet to be determined date to Luke Air Force Base in Arizona - which has been selected as the primary training centre for US and international operators of the F-35A variant - to support training of the first cadre of JASDF pilots for the type.

In late 2011 the country committed to a buy of 42 F-35As via the US Department of Defense's (DoD's) Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme at a cost of about USD20 billion. The package also includes the establishment of local assembly, and maintenance, repair, and overhaul (MRO) capabilities, such as the final assembly and check-out (FACO) facility based at Mitsubishi Heavy Industries' (MHI's) Nagoya Aerospace Systems Works Komaki Minami Plant in Aichi Prefecture.

The deal calls for AX-1 through AX-4 to be assembled at Lockheed Martin's Fort Worth production facility while the remaining 38 will be assembled and delivered by the MHI FACO plant. Lockheed Martin announced in December 2015 that the first F-35A to be built in Japan, AX-5, has entered the 'mate' process in the facility's Electronic Mate and Assembly Station (EMAS), where the major components of the aircraft are joined together to form its main structure.

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Bericht door: Ace1 op 26/04/2016 | 15:38 uur
Israel's F-35 App And Its Implications

Has Israel set a precedent?

Israel has announced it will equip the F-35s it starts receiving this December with its own command, control, communications and computing (C4) system. The software, produced by Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI), is an upgrade of an existing C4 system the Israeli air force flies on its F-15 and F-16s.

By adapting proprietary software to the F-35, Israel has leveraged the strike fighter's open-architecture software design long touted by Lockheed Martin and the Joint Program Office (JPO). In effect, IAI has written the first "app" for the F-35 and, arguably, set a precedent for F-35 software independence.

"Imagine putting some new applications on your mobile phone," says Benni Cohen, general manager of IAI's Lahav Division. "It is not difficult. You can do it without touching the mission systems."

His metaphor is a useful one. While the specifics are not exactly the same, think of the F-35's software backbone as an "operating system" like Apple's iOS and IAI's C4 software, which sits atop it as an "application." With the right application interface, developers can write new apps for the F-35, adding new functionality.

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Israel will receive its first F-35 JSF in December and is writing its own software for the multinational platform.

"Yes, it is straightforward to tap into that [F-35 system] data and build upon that information to make new applications or add new functionality that benefits the overall fight," John Clark agrees. Clark is director of mission systems and software at Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works, which is working with the U.S. Air Force to craft a software protocol called Open Mission Systems (OMS), designed to enable faster technology insertion into existing and future platforms.

By standardizing the process for moving data around the F-35's open architecture backbone, OMS will enable more rapid software development and mission systems integration. The protocol is still in development but is planned to be introduced on the F-35 "in the near future," says Lockheed. By working independently, however, Israel may have already changed the game.

Israel will not add its C4 system using OMS but instead exploit the F-35's existing openness. Whenever OMS does arrive, the fact that someone has already written an app for the aircraft now provides F-35 customers the option to add their own software, rather than waiting for upgrades planned by the U.S. Current plans for the JSF partner nations to develop a follow-on Block 4 software package are not expected to start until 2018 and will take six years.

"The folks at IAI doing that will certainly bring up [the issue] as more partner nations have the desire to do that," says Clark. "But it is also a double-edged sword. They do not get the benefits of the rest of the ecosystem the F-35 has by deviating."

Clark points out the F-35 program has a defined joint standards process intended to align partner nations with common enterprise support across the board, for software or hardware.

"Each country has the choice to make on how much value it puts on the enterprise support structure to maintain systems long-term," he says. "If there is an interoperability issue with one, you see it get fixed and the fix applies to all, as opposed to an interoperability issue that may exist with an IAI one-off."

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The crux of the issue is how many other JSF partners will look at what Israel is pioneering and desire similar one-off software programs. Their motivations could range from strategic/tactical independence to the timing of JSF program software releases and, possibly, commercial concerns. Ironically, the open architecture design of F-35 systems potentially abets such desires. 

"The open architecture gives the Israeli air force the option to operate new systems and to address, let us say, special needs without needing to change versions of the airplane's software," says Cohen.

What are those "special needs"? "It gives the Israeli air force the capability for EW [electronic warfare] that is not part of the software for the normal F-35." Cohen says.

The explanation aligns well with comments made to Aviation Week in 2012 by a senior Israeli air force official: "We think the stealth protection will be good for 5-10 years, but the aircraft will be in service for 30-40 years, so we need EW capabilities [on the F-35] that can be rapidly improved. The basic F-35 design is OK. We can make do with adding integrated software" (AW&ST Aug. 6, 2012, p. 28). 

The ability to write its own apps is consistent with Israel's general desire for a level of independence from U.S. control. This emphasis on flexibility is evidenced by its push for an exemption from the JPO to carry out maintenance work in-country, rather than at predetermined Lockheed Martin-established logistics centers in Europe and elsewhere. 

"The idea is to give the [Israeli air force] the opportunity and capability to add new applications without the [backbone] system blocking that opportunity," Cohen adds. "If you decide to add another system, another missile, another capability, you do not need to touch the mission system, you just add the new application."

Simply adding a new application sounds appealing and efficient, but the JPO sounds a cautionary, and possibly conflicting, note on the precedent of JSF partners writing their own apps.

"By U.S. government policy, any integration of F-35 software must be done with U.S. government oversight and with the two prime contractors' involvement. Having open architecture systems on the F-35 will make it easier to integrate future improvements onto the aircraft, but it does not equate to every country or industry having free rein to integrate their own add-on software and systems," says the JPO.

Whether or not JSF partners add their own apps and functionality, the schedule for U.S. software updates once the program concludes its developmental phase could provide additional motivation to operate independently.

According to the JPO, hardware and software releases will alternate on a four-year schedule. A software release will be followed two years later by a hardware release and so on. But it is a schedule that simply does not align with software development and operational realities.

"This is the idea of our system," Cohen says. "Instead of waiting two years or four years for another [software update] version, we can [update] it in 4-5 months."

"The speed at which you could make [software] changes could certainly play a role in what is motivating partner nations," Clark allows. "I do not know that it is the only factor, but I don't have firm data to say one way or the other."

The JPO does not acknowledge the timing of its software releases as problematic: "We are working with all partners and [Foreign Military Sales (FMS)] customers to ensure we all have timely updates to meet various sovereign requirements in the coming years."

If Israel and other partners are sufficiently motivated to write their own apps, several questions arise, starting with interoperability. While commonality is foundational to the F-35 program, Skunk Works' Clark says conflicts can be managed. 

"The Israelis are very innovative," he says. "I would expect they will work in their own way, but that does not preclude having interoperability with other standards. It just means that when interoperability is sought, they'll have to ensure that whatever implementation they have built on top of the data provided via F-35 can operate with other pieces of software or hardware. . . . With our [OMS] effort we are trying to minimize the upfront systems engineering required to do those sorts of things."

Interoperability will not be an issue, the JPO assures, again citing U.S. oversight of the two contractors involved (Lockheed and IAI). The office adds that it "applies strong systems engineering rigor and discipline to all software development efforts supporting both partners and FMS customers."

The prospect of writing apps for the F-35 also raises the issue of cybersecurity. Commercial software development security experts repeatedly point out that the intersection of manufacturer and vendor software is perhaps the chief point of vulnerability for integrated systems.

Clark concedes that developing apps for the F-35 is analogous but stresses the program has sufficient security assurance in place. "We all see the news in the broader context of what is going on in the cyberenvironment," he says. "If you look at what the banking industry has to deal with, those are the type of [security] technologies that we are exploring and evaluating to try to apply to our airborne avionics environment."

The F-35's open architecture design follows strict principles on the provision of data for third-party evaluation, according to Lockheed. There are high assurance guards within the system that can integrate cross-domain devices while keeping mission systems and outside apps separate.

IAI's Cohen says the company is confident its C4 software will not have any influence on the security of the overall system. But what if a partner nation does not strictly adhere to correct security protocols, or makes a mistake?

"It depends on what application you are talking about and what data that system is trying to access. There is no one easy answer on that," Clark admits.

Another question is whether F-35 users that create their own apps could share or potentially sell them? Would IAI consider that possibility?

"Yes," Cohen answers. "We would need special permission to export [new applications]. We would need an export license."

Surely, F-35 users must have U.S. government authorization to market, sell or discuss non-U.S. add-ons, software updates, non-U.S. weapons, or any other F-35 equipment the program office emphasizes. Interestingly, the JPO does not completely shut the door to partner-to-partner nation add-on/software sales, saying, "The U.S. government will review each situation individually as countries discuss their intent with us."

Could the possibility of JSF user-to-user sales combined with the issues of software control, independence, updates and security see the F-35 program again mimic the Apple mobile device world? Could the U.S. set up its own F-35 "App Store"?

Lockheed has "brainstormed" the idea, Clark confirms. "It could provide for a greater ecosystem of software developers and tailorization of the system for unique needs, but we are still sorting out how we would manifest that in a way that would not just be a marketing pitch," he says.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 28/04/2016 | 10:28 uur


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/04/2016 | 14:00 uur
Gloves come off in fight to win Denmark's combat jet order

By Erik Matzen and Jacob Gronholt-Pedersen | April 26, 2016

* Denmark to pick either Boeing or Lockheed Martin jets - sources

U.S. defence giants Lockheed Martin and Boeing have stepped up their battle in Denmark to win a $5 billion order for combat jets which is due to be decided next month, with an advertising blitz in newspapers and on billboards by Boeing reflecting the importance they give to winning the deal.

The result of the Danish government's lengthy deliberations is expected to make waves around the global defence market, as several other nations also have to decide whether to replace their aged warplanes with Lockheed Martin Corp's brand new F-35 Lightnings or play safe with cheaper, older-generation planes such as Boeing's F/A-18E/F Super Hornets.

With so much at stake in terms of prestige, the bitter rivalry between the two has erupted into a public spat in Denmark as Boeing compares its rival's new aircraft to a scandal over the botched purchase of Italian trains a decade ago.

"The choice of fighter jets is not just about Denmark's defence. It's also about working from day one," Boeing has said in newspaper and billboard ads, in a clear reference to the F-35 which entered service last July for the U.S. Marine Corps but is still completing a development program which began in 2001.

The U.S. Air Force is slated to declare an initial squadron of F-35s ready for combat later this year.

In the ads a full-page photograph shows some of the defective trains that had yet to be fully developed at the time of order. Technical problems with the 85 trains, of which less than half are in use to date, ended up costing the Danish state hundreds of millions of dollars, causing a public outcry.

Towards the end of the campaign which started in March and peaked in April in newspapers, on outdoor billboards, radio spots and door-to-door distribution, Boeing had bought ads worth 9.65 million crowns ($1.5 million), excluding discounts, according to TNS Gallup Adfacts.

But by reminding Danes of a past purchasing scandal, the ad campaign has raised hackles in some quarters over the use of such tactics but nevertheless has also sparked a public debate about the merits of investing in untried technology.

"We don't use such methods in Denmark," said one defence lawmaker who is involved in the decisionmaking process.

"Boeing ought to be careful not to be hit by its own boomerang, if we get disgusted by the company. Right now, Boeing is close to giving me this feeling," the person said in reaction to the ad campaign.

However, in the wider public - more accustomed to ads for organic cheese than fighter jets - the discussion quickly shifted from what type of plane should be purchased to whether Denmark should buy new warplanes at all.

Boeing has defended its advertising.

"The informational campaign was created firmly out of respect and understanding of the documented Danish acquisition process which has a phase of public debate," Tom Bell, the top sales executive for Boeing's defence business, told Reuters.

And Boeing executives are publicly bullish about their chances of winning the Danish order for up to 30 jets, but privately concede winning Denmark would be a long shot, making the ad campaign seem like a last-ditch effort.

"Winning Denmark is absolutely vital for Boeing which has limited firm export orders left for the (Super Hornet) and is desperate for business," said Francis Tusa, Editor of Defence Analysis.

Outside the traditional major arms purchasers in the Gulf, nations currently shopping for fighters include Belgium, Indonesia and Malaysia, while eastern Europe is looking for secondhand aircraft..

The United States is poised to approve two long-delayed sales of Boeing fighter sales to the Gulf including 28 Super Hornets worth $3 billion for Kuwait.

A separate but unfunded U.S. Navy requirement calls for another 12 jets, but Boeing remains keen to win new export orders to shore up future production for its fighters in St Louis.

For Lockheed Martin, losing the Danish order could dent market confidence in the F-35.

Denmark is one of eight original partners that helped fund development of the F-35 and flies Lockheed F-16 jets alongside Belgium, Norway and the Netherlands. Norway and the Netherlands have ordered F-35s and Belgium has expressed interest.

However, the $379 billion F-35 program has been plagued with cost overruns and delays, although U.S. officials say the program has met its cost and schedule targets since a major restructuring in 2010, and acquisition costs are now finally coming down.

Software issues and problems with a complex logistics system still pose challenges, according to a U.S. congressional report released this month, which said the lack of a back-up system could potentially ground the U.S. F-35 fleet.

Lockheed officials say they are confident that the new jet's superior data-processing and "fusing" capabilities, coupled with its ability to evade radar, will ultimately prevail over the older-generation Super Hornets.

A third contender in Denmark, the Eurofighter Typhoon made by Airbus Group, BAE Systems and Finmeccanica , officially remains on the shortlist, but Danish government sources say it is no longer being considered.

Eurofighter said it was confident of winning more orders after a recent deal for 28 planes in Kuwait. (Additional reporting by Tim Hepher in Paris, Andrea Shalal in Washington; Editing by Greg Mahlich)

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 28/04/2016 | 18:51 uur
Will The F-35 Learn From Past Missteps?

The U.S. Air Force's largest weapon program, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, on which the U.S. will spend more than $400 billion, has hit a stride. The question is how long the program will be able to sustain it.
Frank Kendall, the Pentagon's acquisition chief, told the Senate Armed Services Committee during an April 26 hearing how the Lockheed Martin fighter program has moved beyond the problems of its past. In 2009 he was alarmed by the program's risky plan to concurrently buy aircraft while development continued, calling it "acquisition malpractice." But he said that after a lot of work and oversight, the program has stabilized.

"The F-35 program is no longer one that keeps me up at night," Kendall said, adding that he would be surprised if a major design problem cropped up.

The Marine Corps declared initial operational capability last year and the Air Force is on track to do so by the end of this year. Current law limits funding until the Air Force certifies that the fighter will have full combat capability in terms of hardware, software and weapons by 2018. And Lt. Gen. Christopher Bogdan, the F-35 program executive officer, says software stability issues are being addressed and that the 3F version of software will be delivered in 2018 with full capability. He plans to recommend that Air Force Secretary Deborah James make the certification.

Congress is invested in seeing the program succeed. The House Armed Services Committee is proposing to add 11 additional F-35s to its fiscal 2017 defense policy bill.

And yet, congressional watchdogs are warning that risk lies ahead in the next increment of modernization, called Block 4, and that checks to ensure the program is accountable are lacking.

The U.S. Government Accountability Office has recommended that the Block 4 program, based on its cost, should be declared a major defense acquisition program in its own right. GAO's Michael Sullivan said the F-22 program introduced similar upgrades within the overall program. "Then a $2 billion estimate for those new capabilities became $11 billion, and there was no accountability," he said.

Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon's director of operational test and evaluation, told senators that current plans for Block 4 need to be "scrubbed rigorously."

"The program's proposed 'F-35 Modernization Planning Schedule' is overly optimistic and does not properly align with the program's current software development schedule, which is also unrealistic," Gilmore says in his written testimony.

The program recently said Block 4 will require new processors at a cost of $700 million that must now be factored into fiscal 2018 budget plans. The first Block 4 software release is planned for late 2020, but it doesn't propose to correct deficiencies to the previous Block 3F software. That kind of schedule adds risk, Gilmore says.

Whether the program has learned the lessons of its past acquisition problems, stemming from plans that proved to be too good to be true, remains to be seen.

"I see a number of unrealistic expectations with Block 4," Gilmore said. "They should take a look at those issues. That will be a good test."

Rep. Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.) unsuccessfully attempted to add a provision to the defense authorization bill that would make Block 4 its own major acquisition program during the House Armed Services Committee's April 27 markup. She drew a parallel to the F-22 program, saying the Pentagon initially resisted separating modernization from that advanced fighter effort. After billions of dollars in cost growth and delays, Congress stepped in to require F-22 modernization to be broken out in 2013. Rep. Michael Turner (R-Ohio), who leads the air and land forces subcommittee, argued that creating the separate program for the F-35's Block 4 would add about $13 million to the program's cost and delay delivery of the software by about a year. Overall the committee agreed with him, voting 41 to 20 to reject the amendment.

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Bericht door: Ace1 op 28/04/2016 | 18:57 uur
Congress appears ready to let the Lockheed F-117A Nighthawk go

The House Armed Services Committee (HASC) is considering a legislative provision that would allow the US Air Force to finally junk the famed Lockheed Martin F-117A Nighthawk.

The aircraft was officially retired from service in April 2008, but Congress demanded that all aircraft mothballed from 30 September 2006 onward be maintained "in a condition that would allow recall of that aircraft to future service".

The ghost fleet is now accomodated in special climate-controlled hangars at the Tonopah Test Range at Nellis AFB, Nevada – the location dubbed Area 51. There have been dozens of reported sightings and pictures of the aircraft flying since 2008, including sightings of an aircraft being refuelled in flight.

The pioneer of the US military's stealth aircraft revolution, which owes its distinct "Hopeless Diamond" shape to its ability to scatter radar energy, first flew in 1981 but remained shrouded in secrecy until 1988, when the air force acknowledged its existence at a press conference.

Lockheed's Skunk Works division assembled 59 Nighthawks for the Pentagon between August 1982 and July 1990, but stealth technology and adversary radar detection methods quickly moved past the F-117 and the Air Force quickly turned to newer, more low-observable types like the Lockheed F-22, Northrop Grumman B-2 and now F-35 and B-21.

Now, ten years after the F-117A provision was enacted as part of the 2007 National Defence Authorisation Act, US lawmakers appear willing to let the storied single-seat stealth jet move to the aerospace maintenance and regeneration yard in Arizona, where they'll probably be torn apart or less likely, scavenged for hard-to-find parts.

If carried forward by the full committee today, the provision by HASC chairman Mac Thornberry would "remove the requirement that certain F-117 aircraft be maintained in a condition that would allow recall of those aircraft to future service" if approved by the full Congress.

The F-117 is most noted for its involvement in Operation Desert Storm in 1991 against Saddam Hussein's forces. That was the first American-led military campaign to make comprehensive use of stealth aircraft.

The F-117 flew 1,299 sorties during that war, achieving an 80% mission success rate with no losses or significant battle damage, according to the air force. The twin General Electric F404-powered high-subsonic aircraft's primary armaments were internally stored laser-guided Paveway bombs, of which more than 9,300 were dropped on targets in Iraq in 1991.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 28/04/2016 | 18:59 uur
F-35 office has 2,590 staff and $70 million annual budget

It takes 2,590 military personnel, government civilians and full-time equivalent contractors and $70 million per year to run the world's largest and most expensive military aircraft programme, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

That's according to the US Defense Department's F-35 chief Lt Gen Christopher Bogdan, who disclosed the staff count and annual budget of the F-35 Joint Programme Office (JPO) at a congressional hearing about the $379 billion fighter procurement this week.

The numbers include the two F-35 test forces located Naval Air Station Patuxent River in Maryland and Edwards AFB in California.

Headquartered near the Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia, the JPO is managing the acquisition of 2,443 aircraft for the US military services as well as hundreds more for the UK, Italy, the Netherlands, Turkey, Australia, Norway, Denmark, Canada, Israel, Japan and South Korea.

The acquisition has almost doubled in cost since the F-35 development contract was awarded to the fighter jet's manufacturer Lockheed Martin in October 2001. To date, 179 aircraft have been delivered compared to the 1,013 that were forecast 15 years ago.

The JPO staffing numbers were requested by US Senate Armed Services Committee chairman Senator John McCain, an outspoken F-35 critic, who said at the hearing on 26 April that the programme's record of performance "has been both a scandal and a tragedy".

27 APRIL, 2016 BY: JAMES DREW WASHINGTON DC
It takes 2,590 military personnel, government civilians and full-time equivalent contractors and $70 million per year to run the world's largest and most expensive military aircraft programme, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

That's according to the US Defense Department's F-35 chief Lt Gen Christopher Bogdan, who disclosed the staff count and annual budget of the F-35 Joint Programme Office (JPO) at a congressional hearing about the $379 billion fighter procurement this week.

The numbers include the two F-35 test forces located Naval Air Station Patuxent River in Maryland and Edwards AFB in California.

Headquartered near the Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia, the JPO is managing the acquisition of 2,443 aircraft for the US military services as well as hundreds more for the UK, Italy, the Netherlands, Turkey, Australia, Norway, Denmark, Canada, Israel, Japan and South Korea.

The acquisition has almost doubled in cost since the F-35 development contract was awarded to the fighter jet's manufacturer Lockheed Martin in October 2001. To date, 179 aircraft have been delivered compared to the 1,013 that were forecast 15 years ago.

The JPO staffing numbers were requested by US Senate Armed Services Committee chairman Senator John McCain, an outspoken F-35 critic, who said at the hearing on 26 April that the programme's record of performance "has been both a scandal and a tragedy".

"The information that I have is it's nearly 3,000 [staff] and the cost is $300 million a year. But $70 million a year to run an office is pretty disturbing," McCain said in response the JPO numbers. That $70 million per year pays for salaries, office space, computers, IT support and other costs.

Asked after the hearing if that was an appropriate staffing level and budget for a programme of the F-35's magnitude, Bogdan said: "I don't know if that's enough or not, or if it's too much. It's what we have.

"You ought to look at the F-35 numbers and remember that we're building three variants for 14 customers, so maybe it's not a bad size for three programme offices," he adds, referring to the aircraft's three variants, which are just 20-25% common compared to the 70-90% commonality expected at the start of the programme.

"I think the difference between the number Senator McCain mentioned, at least on the dollar side, is the bill for navy and air force civilians and military personnel. [That bill] doesn't come to me."

The Pentagon's annual tab for the F-35 is expected to average $13 billion over the next 22 years, according to the US Government Accountability Office (GAO). Its last aircraft will arrive by 2040 and the type will remain in service through 2070.

Lockheed delivered just six aircraft in the between January and March, which is slightly lower than expected because of the transition between production lots, the company disclosed on 26 April in its first quarter earnings results. The company says it remains on track to deliver 53 aircraft as planned this year.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 28/04/2016 | 19:01 uur
​ANALYSIS: House panel approves funds for 11 F-35s and 14 F/A-18s

The Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II might be the world's costliest and most divisive warplane, but there's something to be said for the seemingly Teflon-coated Joint Strike Fighter's resiliency.

On 28 April, just days after the developmental aircraft's many flaws were enumerated at a Senate hearing, the US House Armed Services Committee agreed on a defence policy that would fund 11 more F-35s in fiscal year 2017, on top of the 63 aircraft already requested by the US services.

Congress, despite many members being vocal critics of the aircraft, has made adding money for F-35s something of an annual tradition, having also added 11 more Lightning IIs than requested in the current fiscal year 2016 defence budget.

Though US lawmakers decry the concurrent development and production of such a sophisticated and technologically difficult piece of military hardware, they don't seem at all concerned about bolstering production with extra aircraft.

The decision to develop and built the JSF aircraft simultaneously was described this week as "acquisition malpractice" and the cause of a "long nightmare". That's because every one of the approximately 500 aircraft that will be delivered prior to the introduction of the full warfighting Block 3F configuration in 2018, at the end of the system development and demonstration (SDD) phase, will need to be retrofitted at great expense.

However, Pentagon officials note that the aircraft and propulsion system's fundamental design is stable and the main challenges relate to updatable software and the Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS), which still hasn't successfully incorporated engine data.

The Pentagon's top weapons tester J Michael Gilmore told Congress this week that after fifteen years of development and one year out from the planned start of operational testing in late 2017, the F-35 "remains immature and provides limited combat capability", although corrections are being made.

The Defence Department's acquisition czar Frank Kendall says the "F-35 is no longer a programme that keeps me up at night" and testing is about 90% complete. "I do expect additional discovery, but I will be surprised if a major design problem surfaces at this point," he says.

Along with the 11 more F-35s, the House Armed Services panel also authorised funding for 14 more Boeing F/A-18E/Fs for the US Navy. If approved by the full Congress, those extra Super Hornet orders would help keep production in St Louis, Missouri humming at a sustainable level, even if some international orders don't materialise.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-house-panel-approves-funds-for-11-f-35s-a-424747/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 28/04/2016 | 19:02 uur
Verzoeke het artikel betreffende JPO goed na te lezen. Een deel ervan staat dubbel gepost.  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/04/2016 | 19:04 uur
F35 fighter jets recommended to Danish government by expert group - radio

April, 28-2016

COPENHAGEN, April 28 (Reuters) - Denmark should buy 28 of Lockheed Martin's F35 Lightning fighter jets to replace its present F16 jets, an expert group formed by the Danish Ministry of Defence has recommended to the government, according to local radio.

The group found that the Lightning was better than Eurofighter's Typhoon and Boeing Co's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet in four priority areas: military combat, economy, strategics and Danish industrial cooperation with the producer, Radio24syv said citing sources close to the negotiations.

The expert group recommended that Denmark should buy 28 fighter jets from Lockheed Martin, it said.

Denmark's decision will be closely watched, as several other nations also have to decide whether to replace their aged warplanes with Lockheed Martin Corp's brand new F-35 or play safe with cheaper, older-generation planes such the Super Hornets.

Now it is up to the government and the political parties supporting the purchase of new fighter jets to decide which one to pick.

Denmark's Defence Ministry did not reply to requests from Reuters. Spokesmen from various political parties declined to comment.

(Reporting by Erik Matzen; Editing by Dominic Evans)

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/f35-fighter-jets-recommended-danish-113528877.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 28/04/2016 | 19:04 uur
F-35 chief considers fix for troubling Block 3i software faults

After 15 years of development and billions of dollars of investment, software glitches continue to hamper Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II operations and in one case, just one of six US Air Force F-35As on a mock deployment to Mountain Home AFB in Idaho were able to takeoff during an alert launch exercise.

"The Air Force attempted two alert launch procedures during the Mountain Home deployment, where multiple F-35A aircraft were preflighted and prepared for a rapid launch, but only one of the six aircraft was able to complete the alert launch sequence and successfully takeoff," the Pentagon's top weapons tester disclosed in written testimony to Congress on 26 April. "Problems during startup that required system or aircraft shutdowns and restarts – a symptom of immature systems and software – prevented the other alert launches from being completed."

The deployment took place in February in preparation for the first trial deployment of the 34th Fighter Squadron of Hill AFB, Utah, which is slated to declare initial operational capability (IOC) with Block 3i aircraft sometime between August and December this year.

It is one of many examples of failed launches attributed to "immature software" that has been loaded into the 179 aircraft Lockheed has already delivered to the Pentagon and international customers since concurrent production and development began in 2007 "well before the stability of the design could be confirmed through testing".

In another "relatively recent" example detailed by the US Defense Department's director of operational test and evaluation J Michael Gilmore, two of four aircraft loaded with an early version of Block 3F had to abort an attempted electronic warfare "super scenario" mission because of software stability problems experienced during startup. "Also, when the aircraft operated in a dense and realistic electromagnetic environment, the current avionics problems caused poor detection and fusion performance, which is exacerbated in multi-ship F-35 formations," Gilmore adds.

Software issues continue to be a problem for US Marin Corps F-35Bs loaded with Block 2B software, even though those aircraft are supposedly the most stable, with a reported average of "8h between software stability events".

Gilmore says if used in combat, the F-35B would need help avoiding threats, acquiring targets and controlling weapons. The Block 2B aircraft are only equipped to carry two bombs and two air-to-air missiles internally, but are also hobbled by "fusion, electronic warfare and weapons employment" deficiencies that cause "ambiguous threat displays, limited ability to respond to threats, and a requirement for offboard sources to provide accurate coordinates for precision attack".

Software issues also plague the latest Block 3i aircraft, which are modified with an improved processor. On 25 March, the F-35 Joint Programme Office (JPO) began flight testing the Block 3iR6.21 software version. Gilmore reports that during the first 30 flights (76 total flight hours) "no less than 27 power cycles were required to get all systems functioning between initial startup and takoff", ranging from full "cold iron" aircraft restarts to component or battery recycling.

The spike in reported software troubles comes as the F-35 programme moves away from parallel coding of multiple, concurrent software blocks to a sequential programming effort, something that F-35 programme chief Lt Gen Christopher Bogdan believes will make the incremental improvement process significantly more efficient.

Bogdan says he has been encouraged by the demonstrated stability of the newest iteration of Block 3i and he expects to make a decision by 1 May as to whether that's the software load that the Air Force's first F-35A combat group will declare IOC with later this year.

The average time between Block 3i "stability events" currently stands at once every three or four hours compared to 8h for Block 2B, says Bogdan, but the latest Block 3i iteration that has been tested over 44 flights and 96 flight hours appears to have tripled in reliability – one failure every 15h, approximately. Bogdan praised Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and BAE Systems and a DOD "red team" for working through the root-cause of these latest software issues and finding a solution. If the initial results prove accurate, Bogdan says it will become the last version of Block 3i.

"Once all the operational tests are done this week, I will make a decision if that version of 3i software is it. I'm leaning toward it being 'it'," Bogdan tells reporters after the Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on 26 April. "Other than safety of flight things, that's going to be the software [the Air Force] declares IOC with. No more 2B, no more 3i and no more 3F at the same time – just concentrate on 3F. We think we'll gain some efficienciesthere."

Even if the software issues are fixed to a reasonable extent, there is still 60 days of "schedule risk" that could set back the Air Force's IOC declaration with the conventional A-model. That risk relates to the long-troubled, back-end logistics and aircraft health monitoring network known as the Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS) that manages the flow of spare parts to aircraft at every main base and deployed location. The latest iteration of ALIS (version 2.0.2) incorporates data from the F-35 afterburning turbofan propulsion system, built by Pratt & Whitney. Incorporating this data and other ALIS fixes has proven to be extremely difficult, says Bogdan.

"All of the things that are necessary for [the USAF] to make that [IOC] decision are on track for a 1 August 2016 declaration with the exception of ALIS," he said during the congressional hearing. "I believe ALIS is approximately 60 days behind, and therefore, I would put ALIS delivery – which is a criteria for them – at about 1 October 2016 as opposed to August."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-35-chief-considers-fix-for-troubling-block-3i-soft-424650/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 28/04/2016 | 19:08 uur
Congress to block A-10 retirement pending F-35 combat evaluation

The chairman of the US Senate House Armed Services Committee says lawmakers aren't likely to authorise the retirement of any more legacy warplanes until there is "no doubt" that the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II can adequately fulfil its intended roles.

The statement by Senator John McCain at a Joint Strike Fighter congressional hearing on 26 April comes as members of the House Armed Services Committee (HASC) consider legislation to outlaw retirement of the Fairchild Republic A-10C, at least until the F-35 completes its initial operational evaluation and comparison testing with the "Warthog". The Air Force wants to start drawing down A-10C squadrons beginning in fiscal 2018 and the final airframe would move to desert storage in 2021.

The F-35 isn't expected to begin its operational assesment until late 2017 or perhaps even some time in 2018, but language included in HASC chairman Mac Thornberry's mark of the fiscal year 2017 defence policy bill would retain 171 A-10Cs until JSF operational testing is complete.

The Pentgaon's current programme of record buys 2,443 Lightning IIs for $379 billion through 2040 to replace the A-10, F/A-18, F-16 and AV-8B. Comparison testing between the F-35 and those platforms is meant to certify that the $100 million multirole fighters can successfully accomplish every mission assigned to those types, including close air support (CAS), surface attack, suppression/destruction of enemy air defenses, offensive and defensive air warfare and aerial reconnaissance.
The US Defense Department's director of operational test and evaluation J Michael Gilmore said at the congressional hearing that the F-35 won't exactly match the close air support capabilities of A-10, which was designed in the 1970s expressly for that purpose, but it might perform the role better in a high-threat combat scenario.

However, the F-35's higher fuel burn rate, weapons limitations and smaller gun put it at a disadvantage compared to the A-10, he notes.

Gilmore says if a combat-loaded F-35B jump jet travelled 250nm to provide air cover for troops, it could only spend 25-40mins in the area before refuelling compared to 1h without external tanks for the A-10.

"Recent exercises involving the use of F-35A and F-35B aircraft in limited close air support mission environments have shown that the fuel burn rate with internal weapons – two bombs and two air-to-air missiles – is 10-20% higher than the F-16, depending on the variant, and about 50-70% higher than the A-10," Gilmore notes in written testimony.

"The F-35 has a lightweight, 25mm cannon, internally mounted on the F-35A with 182 rounds, and in an external pod with 220 rounds for the F-35B and F-35C, while the A-10 has a 30mm cannon with 1,150 rounds," he adds. "Even though the A-10 gun has a higher rate of fire, the A-10 gun can fire for over 17s versus approximately 4s for the F-35, providing the capability for many more gun attacks."

Gilmore and Pentagon acquisition chief Frank Kendall said at the hearing that the F-35 will perform the CAS mission very differently to the A-10 and will rely more on precision weapons like the Boeing GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb, a weapon that has made even the Cold War Boeing B-1B bomber an effective CAS aircraft.

Kendall says he is a "huge proponent and fan of the A-10" but there isn't enough force structure or funding available to the DOD continue operating single-mission aircraft.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/congress-to-block-a-10-retirement-pending-f-35-comba-424673/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/04/2016 | 11:16 uur
P&W wrapping up F135 engine development

By James Drew, Washington DC | 29 April 2016

Pratt & Whitney expects to wrap up system development and demonstration (SDD) of the F135 propulsion system for the F-35 Lightning II in July after 15 years of work, but the company will remain engaged with the wider Joint Strike Fighter flight test effort which runs until late 2017.

The P&W's head of military engines Bennett Croswell tells Flightglobal that the F135 team is also about 85% of the way through correcting an engine fault inherent in 180 early-model units and caused one aircraft to catch fire on the runway at Eglin AFB, Florida in June 2014. The problem was traced to hard rubbing in the engine's compressor section.

The incident temporarily grounded the F-35 fleet and prevented the US Marine Corps F-35B from debuting at the Farnborough Air Show. "I feel very confident we're going to get across the ditch this time," Croswell says.

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P&W

Now that development is wrapping up, Croswell is looking to an F135 engine component improvement programme that receives $33 million per year in the US Air Force's budget as well as new science and technology initiatives as vehicles for developing block upgrades for the 43,000lb-thrust afterburning turbofan.

The F135 represents the present and the future of P&W's military engines business, says Croswell, and new developments will reduce fuel burn, increase thrust and lower the overall life cycle cost. The F135 will evolve in increments like the F100, of which P&W delivered 7,000 over 40 years and 3,900 remain in service today.

A P&W engine has been chosen to power the still-classified Northrop Grumman B-21 long-range strategic bomber, but the US Air Force won't confirm if it's some derivative of the F135. Croswell also won't discuss the next-generation heavy ordnance carrier, but says planned improvements to the F135 will support current F-35 operations and help P&W win new business in the future, perhaps even re-engining contracts.

Initial changes will be software related, Croswell says, with no significant components changes required. The next step up will come via the US Navy's Fuel Burn Reduction programme, which aims to cut F135 fuel consumption by 4% by about 2020.

P&W is also engaged in the Air Force Research Laboratory's Adaptive Engine Technology Development (AETD) project that is developing adaptive cycle engines with a third bypass stream. The ultimate goal is an engine 25% better fuel efficiency than today's engines and 10% greater thrust. P&W and GE Aviation have moved their competing designs from AETD through to the preliminary design review phase and are conducting fan and core demonstrations this year.

The two American engine manufacturers expect follow-on contracts, each worth up to $1 billion, for the Adaptive Engine Transition Programme (AETP) by mid-year. The AETP demonstration phase runs through budget year 2021, with engine performance and durability tests expected in 2019 and 2020. The best engine is likely to power the next Air Force and Navy fighter platforms.

"When you look at when next-generation will be fielded, you need to back it up and start now," says Croswell. "We'll expand on variable cycle features. We're doing an AETD/AETP engine with a variable cycle fan and we're looking at things like a variable cycle core as well.

"That'll be the foundation for what we do in next-gen. We'll do some significant durability testing, go to altitude and test the engine across the full envelope."

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Lockheed Martin

The F135 is derived from the F119-100 turbofan that powers the F-22 Raptor and was installed on the Lockheed X-35 and Boeing X-32 JSF prototypes. Since F-35 development began in October 2001, P&W has delivered 270 F135s, including the Rolls-Royce LiftFan-equipped -600 version for the F-35B – the only supersonic short takeoff, vertical landing combat aircraft.

This month, the company finalised a contract for 66 Lot 9 engines under $1 billion deal and is should receive funding for the next 100 Lot 10 units soon. P&W recently received funding for Lot 11 long-lead parts as aircraft production ramps up in Texas, Italy and Japan.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pw-wrapping-up-f135-engine-development-424810/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 30/04/2016 | 11:34 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 28/04/2016 | 19:08 uur
Congress to block A-10 retirement pending F-35 combat evaluation


Gilmore says if a combat-loaded F-35B jump jet travelled 250nm to provide air cover for troops, it could only spend 25-40mins in the area before refuelling compared to 1h without external tanks for the A-10.

"Recent exercises involving the use of F-35A and F-35B aircraft in limited close air support mission environments have shown that the fuel burn rate with internal weapons – two bombs and two air-to-air missiles – is 10-20% higher than the F-16, depending on the variant, and about 50-70% higher than the A-10," Gilmore notes in written testimony.

"The F-35 has a lightweight, 25mm cannon, internally mounted on the F-35A with 182 rounds, and in an external pod with 220 rounds for the F-35B and F-35C, while the A-10 has a 30mm cannon with 1,150 rounds," he adds. "Even though the A-10 gun has a higher rate of fire, the A-10 gun can fire for over 17s versus approximately 4s for the F-35, providing the capability for many more gun attacks."

Gilmore and Pentagon acquisition chief Frank Kendall said at the hearing that the F-35 will perform the CAS mission very differently to the A-10 and will rely more on precision weapons like the Boeing GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb, a weapon that has made even the Cold War Boeing B-1B bomber an effective CAS aircraft.

Kendall says he is a "huge proponent and fan of the A-10" but there isn't enough force structure or funding available to the DOD continue operating single-mission aircraft.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/congress-to-block-a-10-retirement-pending-f-35-comba-424673/
1.  Actie radius F-35B.
Uit zeer betrouwbare Amerikaanse en Britse bron heb ik vernomen dat een F-35B in Close Air Support configuratie een totale vliegduur heeft van net 45 minuten.
De F-35B heeft dan 2 AIM-120's, 4 250 pond Small Diameter Bombs en een kanon gondel bij zich.

De F-35 heeft inderdaad bewezen relatief weinig peut te verbruiken vergeleken met de F-16.
MAAR ... de F-16 kruist daarbij in een grond aanval configuratie met een snelheid van 448 knopen (kts) / 830 km/u.   Terwijl  de F-35A niet sneller gaat dan 300 kts / 555 km/u en de vlieger de gashendel en stuurknuppel zo minimaal mogelijk beroert.   Kortom:  waarom ga je dan met een USD 130 - 200 miljoen duur bul de oorlog in waarbij je je wapensysteem vliegt alsof het een verkeersvliegtuig is en die ook een 2-voeter in een inpandig 'kantoor' heeft zitten.  Dan wordt je wel heel kwetsbaar voor jachtvliegtuigen en luchtafweer geschut en vuurpijlen.  Ga dan voor het Predator C/ Avenger bewapende Remotely Piloted Aircraft.

'Apart', dat de F-35 voor CAS missies bijna of volledig gebruik maakt van stand-off geleide wapens.  Twintig jaar geleden waren het toch echt de US Marines, die graag zagen dat de JSF net als de A-7 CorsairII een munitie voorraad zou krijgen van 1.000 schoten.
Maar ja, economisch is het niet goed te praten als een 130 - 200 miljoen duur apparaat bloot beschadigd of gesloopt wordt door ongeleid trash fire of MANPADS.
En schade aan al die Radar Absorberende Materialen en constructies kost heel veel pecunia en tijd.
zie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Campbell_(pilot)   Een A-10 pilote die met haar Warthog veel schade in de strijd opliep
Terwijl de ervaringen, ook in Afghanistan, Irak, Libya, Mali, Jemen en Syria laten zien dat je voor effectieve CAS toch echt vaak onder de 10.000 - 15.000 voet moet opereren.
Helaas, een oorlog bestaat niet alleen uit speer werpen en pijl en boog schieten, maar ook uit man tot man gevechten met strijdbijl, degen, knots of vuisten.
Heb je geen zin in 'krassen' dan kan je maar beter laten we zeggen kapper, bloemist of iets dergelijks worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/04/2016 | 11:58 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 30/04/2016 | 11:34 uur
'Apart', dat de F-35 voor CAS missies bijna of volledig gebruik maakt van stand-off geleide wapens.  Twintig jaar geleden waren het toch echt de US Marines, die graag zagen dat de JSF net als de A-7 CorsairII een munitie voorraad zou krijgen van 1.000 schoten.

Welk kaliber had de USMC toentertijd voor deze 1.000 schoten in gedachten? Was dat 25 mm of 27 mm (De Mauser BK27 moest het veld ruimen voor de GAU-22/A)?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 02/05/2016 | 13:36 uur
US will not offer F-15 and F-16 to Finland

Contrary to reports from Helsinki in April, the US Departement of Defense will not offer the Boeing F-15 Eagle and Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon to Finland as possible replacements for the country's fleet of 'legacy' F-18 Hornets. Washington told Helsinki it will not respond to Finland's Request for Information (RfI) for those jets, Finnish MoD confirmed on Monday 2 May. Washington however will send information on the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet and Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II.

Both the F-15 and F-16 were named on a list of candidates released by Helsinki in April. Both were designed in the 70s and are nearing the end of production in the US. Their inclusion in Finland's list – and the inclusion of the F-15 in particular – came as a surprise to many, although officials earlier said that Finland was open to all offers that met the conditions of the HX-fighter project. That is the name assigned to the F-18 Hornet replacement program.

The candidates now left in that program, are the Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, Boeing F-18 Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F-35 and Saab's next generation JAS-39 Gripen. The latter will see its rollout of the factory in Sweden on 18 May.

All manufacturers will have to send Helsinki all required information by the end of this year. Comparison of the performances of all jets is scheduled for 2018 and a final decision is expected not before 2021

http://airheadsfly.com/2016/05/02/us-will-not-offer-f-15-and-f-16-to-finland/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 02/05/2016 | 14:00 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 30/04/2016 | 11:58 uur
Welk kaliber had de USMC toentertijd voor deze 1.000 schoten in gedachten? Was dat 25 mm of 27 mm (De Mauser BK27 moest het veld ruimen voor de GAU-22/A)?
Dat was het 25 mm kaliber, want 27mm is voor de Amerikaanse strijdkrachten niet standaard en de BK27 "is not designed here".
Oorspronkelijk zou de F-35 stuurhut voorzien worden van beeldschermen van het gerenommeerde Belgische Barco.  Ook "not designed here", dus die worden toch geleverd door NorthropGrumman.  Daarnaast heeft de US Air Force liever de Amerikaanse ACES schietstoel, terwijl de huidige Britse Martin Baker Mk.16 toch echt beter is en die zit ook in de Euro Canards.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/05/2016 | 10:28 uur
India's Rafale Deal Hits Another Snag

Jay Menon | Aerospace Daily & Defense Report | May 3, 2016

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Rafale: Dassault

NEW DELHI — India and France's long-gestating deal to buy 36 Dassault Rafale fighters may have run into another hurdle, this time in the form of objections from India's law ministry.

A Law Ministry official says the Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) has several loopholes in its liability clause and in other matters such as material breach, bank guarantee and arbitration, and the agreement doesn't serve the interests of India. "We have suggested that unless there is a joint-and-several liability clause, India's interests would remain compromised," the official says.

"The Ministry of Law & Justice has made certain observations and the same will be adequately taken into account while finalizing the Inter-Governmental Agreement [IGA], which is still under negotiations," Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar said in the Upper house of Parliament May 3.

The Law Ministry is concerned about a clause in the agreement that says in the event of a breach of supply requirements by the French companies, the Indian side must first pursue a legal recourse against the companies without involving the French government.

India and France have been negotiating the financial structure of the government-to-government Rafale purchase from Dassault Aviation since India Prime Minister Narendra Modi last year announced New Delhi's decision to buy the 36 aircraft.

Parrikar also clarified that the negotiations on the terms and conditions of the contract, including total cost, actual delivery time lines and guarantee period, have not been concluded.

The cost for the 36 jets, based on the original Request For Proposal price (while taking into account foreign exchange rates and other factors), comes to around 650 billion rupees ($9.7 billion). India wants to negotiate the price down to about 590 billion rupees.

India wants to buy the Rafale jets in flyaway condition "as quickly as possible" in view of the Indian air force's critical operational necessity for multirole combat aircraft.

French President Francois Hollande and Modi asserted during Hollande's visit to India in January that the deal would be finalized soon. "Only financial aspects of the Rafale deal is left. The intergovernmental agreement has been finalized. It will be done soon," Modi said at the time.

http://aviationweek.com/defense/india-s-rafale-deal-hits-another-snag
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/05/2016 | 14:11 uur
Structural problem with Swiss Hornet raises wider fighter fleet concerns

Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly | 04 May 2016

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A structural issue found on one of the Swiss Air Force's Hornet fighters has raised further concerns as to the long-term viability of the country's frontline fighter force. Source: IHS/Patrick Allen

The Swiss Air Force has suffered another problem with its ageing fighter fleet with the discovery of a structural issue on one of its Boeing F/A-18 Hornet combat aircraft, the Federal Department of Defence, Civil Protection, and Sport (VBS [previously DDPS]) disclosed on 3 May.

According to a statement released by the VBS, a wing on one Hornet is to be replaced following the discovery during an inspection that an adhesive bond had failed.

"Under ... an inspection, detachment at the joint between the wing and the fuselage was discovered in an aircraft when replacing a small separation of the adhesive bond between the titanium plating and the composite material. Corresponding investigations have shown that a repair is not possible [and] for this reason the blades must be replaced," the VBS statement read. The aircraft will remain in service "with restrictions" until the work can be carried out during scheduled maintenance.

While the VBS added that such fatigue problems "are not uncommon", this discovery is concerning given the structural issues found with Switzerland's only other combat aircraft type: the Northrop F-5 Tiger II. In April 2015 Defence Minister Ueli Maurer disclosed that cracking in 16 of the country's then 32 serviceable Tigers meant the air force had to prematurely retire a third of its F-5E fleet (the twin-seat F-5F was not affected). This reduction in Tiger numbers has resulted in an increased workload for Switzerland's 31 Hornet fighters and, while this may not be directly attributable to the issue now discovered in one of those aircraft, it certainly will not have helped.

Overarching all of these issues is Switzerland's aborted attempt to field a modern fighter replacement. The country had planned to retire all of its 1970s-built F-5s from 2016 and replace them with the Saab Gripen E. However, the expected deal was rejected during a national referendum in May 2014.

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http://www.janes.com/article/59970/structural-problem-with-swiss-hornet-raises-wider-fighter-fleet-concerns
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/05/2016 | 15:34 uur
USAF puts Talon HATE to the test

Jamie Hunter, London - IHS Jane's International Defence Review | 06 May 2016

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422 TES F-15C serial 82-022/OT carrying the Talon HATE pod in February whilst undergoing testing at Nellis AFB. The large pod is carried on the centreline station. Source: Jamie Hunter

The US Air Force (USAF) is currently engaged in a flight test programme for its new Talon HATE pod for the F-15C Eagle. Talon HATE is a new system designed to help integrate and enhance the relationship between its two air dominance platforms - the F-15C Eagle and the F-22 Raptor.

Developed initially by the company's secretive Phantom Works as a rapid-prototyping concept, Talon HATE is a podded system that combines a covert data exchange capability with an inbuilt infrared search-and-track (IRST) sensor. It has been seen flying recently with the USAF's elite 422nd Test and Evaluation Squadron (422 TES) at Nellis Air Force Base (AFB) in Nevada.

Boeing completed the final design review for Talon HATE in September 2014, although public information remains scant. Many see Talon HATE acting very much along the lines of the USAF's Battlefield Airborne Communications Node (BACN) currently deployed on E-11A, EQ-4, and WB-57 aircraft, and essentially acting as a data relay platform for a wide range of information.

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.janes.com%2Fimages%2Fassets%2F050%2F60050%2Fp1645961.jpg&hash=07de88fd91b23e3d0f163182af221c80fe7a8413)
The upper surface of the aircraft features a large new scabbed-on fairing. The fairing may be linked to providing all-aspect coverage of the link for the new system. (Jamie Hunter)

"The system assimilates information in real-time from multiple domains, creating an improved common operating picture for tactical awareness," said Alex Lopez, vice president, Advanced Network and Space Systems at Boeing Phantom Works.

One of the major limitations of the F-22 is its inability to communicate covertly with other aircraft types, although the F-22 features an intra-flight datalink (IFDL) that enables the aircraft to exchange data within a formation of F-22 aircraft.

Similarly, the F-22's Increment 3.2A spiral upgrade added Link 16, but only as a receive-only terminal because the non-stealthy Link-16 with its omnidirectional emissions could reveal the aircraft's location.

However, under programme director Sean Rice, the Talon HATE project has integrated the F-22's IFDL with the proven Multifunctional Information Distribution System-JTRS (MIDS-J) system. MIDS-J serves as a host for multiple concurrent communications waveforms that are essential for Talon HATE operations, with Talon HATE essentially receiving and translating the F-22 data and processing it for redistribution on MIDS/Link 16 waveforms to other friendly aircraft.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/05/2016 | 19:29 uur
Warplanes: Rafale Scores Another Win

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/20160508.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/05/2016 | 10:19 uur
F-35 locked and loaded with improved Block 3i software

By James Drew, Washington DC | 09 may 2016

The F-35 Joint Programme Office (JPO) has stabilised a glitch-prone combination of software and hardware called Block 3i, potentially clearing the way for the US Air Force's first Lightning II combat squadron to declare initial operational capability (IOC) between August and December.

F-35 manufacturer Lockheed Martin has been preparing the software load in parallel with the Block 2B configuration that the Marine Corps' first operational F-35B group declared war-ready status with last July.

Developmental flight testing of Block 3i started in May 2014. However, problems caused by re-hosting "immature" Block 2B software and capabilities on new computer processors installed in Block 3i aircraft caused flight testing to be restarted in September 2014 and then again in March 2015, reports the Pentagon's top weapons tester.

Developmental flight testing of Block 3i was then terminated last October and an initial version was released to F-35 units "despite unresolved deficiencies" to prevent wider schedule delays.

The programme office has been grappling with "software stability" issues ever since. Aircraft were reportedly having to shut down and reboot on the tarmac or reset a sensor system or radar "once every 4h". That is an unacceptable failure rate for an operational squadron and significantly worse fault rate compared to earlier Block 2B aircraft, which were only having to reboot once every 30h or more.

F-35 programme director Lt Gen Christopher Bogdan told Congress last month that a failure rate of once every 8-10h or greater would be more acceptable, and recent fixes now seem to have achieved that goal.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=67008)
Four-ship training at Hill AFB
US Air Force

"As of 1 May, the F-35 programme has flown more than 100 flight hours with the 3i software and it has shown approximately twice the level of stability as the previously fielded Block 2B software and three times better stability than the original 3i software," says the JPO on 8 May.

Exactly 114 aircraft from low-rate production batches six, seven and eight will be upgraded to the more stable Block 3i configuration starting this week. Those production lots contained 25 internationally owned aircraft for Italy, Australia, Norway, the UK, Japan and Israel.

The programme office says the latest "stability and mission effectiveness enhancements" from this final Block 3i release have also been incorporated into a new Block 2B update that is being installed in early-model aircraft from production lots two, three, four and five.

That would affect 93 aircraft purchased in those lots, including three UK-owned short takeoff, vertical landing F-35Bs and two Dutch F-35As.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=67004)
F-35, F-22, A-10 and F-16 fly in formation
US Air Force

"The entire fleet of fielded F-35 aircraft will eventually be upgraded to these two new software versions by the end of calendar year 2016," says the programme office. "Concluding Block 2B and 3i development and testing now allows the F-35 programme to focus on completing Block 3F – the full warfighting capability software. The improvements to Block 2B and 3i have been transferred to Block 3F, and all developmental test aircraft and labs have been upgraded to Block 3F."

The F-35 system development and demonstration (SDD) effort is meant to wrap up in late 2017, which is 16 years after Lockheed won the Joint Strike Fighter contract over Boeing's X-32-based proposal.

With more than 8 million lines of code controlling every onboard sensor and weapon system, the F-35 is the most complex and software-dependent fighter jet in history.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=67006)
The F-22 air superiority jet and F-35 multi-role fighter were conceived as a "high-low" combat aircraft combination
US Air Force

The Hill AFB's 34th Fighter Squadron, known as the Rude Rams, reactivated last year to become the USAF's first combat-ready F-35 squadron. The unit recently began training in four-ship combat formations as well as practising detection and jamming of radar sites.

With Block 3i concerns seemingly fading, Lockheed's full efforts will likely turn to maturing Block 3F and the trouble-prone Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS) that manages the day-to-day operation and maintenance of the F-35 weapon system. ALIS has long been identified as the greatest technical risk to USAF IOC.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-35-locked-and-loaded-with-improved-block-3i-softwa-425098/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/05/2016 | 13:01 uur
MRCA: Its Typhoon or Rafale

Marhalim Abas, Malaysia - RMAF | May 11, 2016

SHAH ALAM: DESPITE the current travails, it appears that the MRCA programme is inching towards the final stage. And the aircraft shortlisted has been cut to two. Unsurprisingly, the two are the Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale.

Industry and ministry officials said although Boeing and Saab are aware of the latest developments they are still plugging away their planes as no contract have been signed yet. That said however if the funding magically appears tomorrow, it will be either the Typhoon or Rafale that will be chosen.

The decision on the MRCA could be made soon, I am told though funding remained the biggest issue on the table. As both UK and France offers funding options under a government-to-government deal the tricky issue could be resolved, I am told.

If we go for the proposed funding options, the payment period for the aircraft may well spread out for at least 10 years based on statements made by the Defence Minister in the past. I am no finance expert but I think it could go up to 20 years. Which also mean that we will only get 18 jets only and not more.

As which one is the more likely candidate for the MRCA programme, my guess is as good as yours. Both aircraft have their own merits (http://www.malaysiandefence.com/mrca-typhoon-and-rafale/) so at the end of the day the political considerations will tip the scale.

What about the proposals about buying Hornets from Kuwait (http://www.malaysiandefence.com/kuwaits-signs-contract-typhoons/) then? That is only a proposal made in this website, it was never AFAIK considered by the government.

Furthermore, how will the MRCA programme affect other projects of the Armed Forces? Little or no impact actually as the major programmes – the AV8, A400M and LCS – are already accounted for. It is this army/air force centric funding that leaves the navy scrambling to find funds for its own recapitalisation plans. That resulted in the proposed 15 to 5 plan.
(http://www.malaysiandefence.com/future-rmn-armada/)
— Malaysian Defence

http://www.malaysiandefence.com/mrca-typhoon-rafale/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/05/2016 | 20:02 uur
Denmark picks F-35s instead of Super Hornet or Typhoon

Reuters / may 11, 2016

COPENHAGEN • The Danish government has picked U.S. defense giant Lockheed Martin Corp. to supply 27 of its F-35 Lightning fighter jets, TV2 News said on Wednesday, citing unidentified sources.

Denmark's decision has been closely watched, as several other nations also have to decide whether to replace their aged warplanes with Lockheed Martin's brand new F-35 or choose cheaper, older-generation planes such as Super Hornets.

An expert group formed by the Danish Ministry of Defence last month concluded that the F-35 Lightning was a better option than Eurofighter's Typhoon or Boeing Co.'s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.

Super Hornets are produced at Boeing's operations in north St. Louis County.

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/denmark-picks-f--s-instead-of-super-hornet-or/article_d4d93ec5-909c-5675-bb84-53102ce92111.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/05/2016 | 20:06 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/05/2016 | 20:02 uur
Denmark picks F-35s instead of Super Hornet or Typhoon

Reuters / may 11, 2016

COPENHAGEN • The Danish government has picked U.S. defense giant Lockheed Martin Corp. to supply 27 of its F-35 Lightning fighter jets, TV2 News said on Wednesday, citing unidentified sources.

30 stuks was blijkbaar net buiten het budget  :(
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 11/05/2016 | 20:11 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/05/2016 | 20:06 uur
30 stuks was blijkbaar net buiten het budget  :(
De kleine Europese landen stellen straks niets meer voor op fighter gebied.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/05/2016 | 20:39 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 11/05/2016 | 20:11 uur
De kleine Europese landen stellen straks niets meer voor op fighter gebied.

Het geeft ook een indruk wat je van onze zuiderburen kan/mag verwachten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/05/2016 | 20:55 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/05/2016 | 20:06 uur
30 stuks was blijkbaar net buiten het budget  :(

NL37 + DK 27 +  NO52 + BE20-30 = 136/146 voor de kleine gebruikers, een getal wat alleen al voor de KLu recht zou doen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 11/05/2016 | 21:17 uur
Wel toevallig dat vandaag er overleg is tussen de KLu en hun Noorse companions.  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 11/05/2016 | 23:24 uur
Gaat weer de kant van de gebroken geweertjes op, dejavu
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 12/05/2016 | 00:14 uur
Kan zo snel het investeringsbudget van de Denen niet vinden voor de F35?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/05/2016 | 07:36 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 12/05/2016 | 00:14 uur
Kan zo snel het investeringsbudget van de Denen niet vinden voor de F35?
Wat ik volgens mij eens gelezen had, moeten de Denen nog geld vrijmaken en /of geld lenen om budget te maken voor aanschaf van de F-16 vervanger. Over aantallen waren ze ook niet helemaal eens, naar mijn weten, binnen de regeringspartijen. Er is ook al eens gesproken over 18 stuks.

Tja... Wij zouden er ook eens 85 kopen.

Extra toevoeging, "oud" artikel van 22 jan 2016

Replacing Denmark's Aging F-16s Could Place Strain on Defense Budget

The significant investment planned by Denmark to replace the Danish Air Force's (DAF) ageing F-16s is raising concerns both domestically and within NATO that the capital-heavy program may place a major drain on the military's future core budgets.

Based on current estimates, the fighter replacement program is likely to cost Denmark between US $3 billion and US $4.5 billion, depending on the number of aircraft eventually purchased.

Moreover, the Danish government will need to budget for additional associated expenditures of between $10 billion to $13 billion to cover operational and maintenance costs over the aircraft's intended 30-40 year lifespan.

Denmark sought bids on 24, 30 and 36 aircraft. These numbers are substantially lower than Denmark's initial ambition to acquire up to 48 aircraft at the outset of the acquisition program in 2005. The DAF's front-line fighter fleet currently has 30 operational F-16s.

"More money is needed to finance the fighter replacement program. What is quite clear is that the project can not be funded from within the existing core defense budget as it stands today," said Rasmus Jarlov, a member of the Conservative Party and chairman of the Danish parliament's Committee on Defense.


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Voor het gehele artikel zie onderstaande LINK
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2016/01/22/replacing-denmarks-aging-f-16s-could-place-strain-defense-budget/79169716/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/05/2016 | 09:04 uur
Artikel gevonden, van 4 april 2016 :

Denmark's Fighter Selection Date Faces Yet Another Delay as Replacement Program Struggles to Lift Off

Denmark's headline military procurement project – the replacement of the Royal Danish Air Force (RDAF) fleet of F-16s – faces a potential delay in the selection timeline laid out by the country's minority government.  The Danish Ministry of Defense is currently examining a short list of future fighter alternatives that include the Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II, the Eurofighter Typhoon, and the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet.

One looming hurdle to meeting the 2016 selection target date involves financing the project.  With a cross-party funding agreement required in order to move forward with the program, the underlying issue becomes defining the exact number of fighters to procure.

The Danish MoD's Project Office has already laid out several options, including procurements of 24, 30, and 36 fighters – each proposal representing a drop from the original 2005 requirement calling for 48 new fighters.  That figure was ultimately amended downward in March 2010 in the face of dwindling financial resources and shifting operational goals and requirements.

Two leftist political parties – the Social Liberal Party (SLP) and Socialist People's Party (SPP) – favor purchasing the fewest number of fighters deemed necessary to conduct Denmark's airspace defense and international security mission requirements.  The problem is that the figure they have targeted is just 18 fighters, six fewer than the minimum proposal request.

The SLP-SPP preference diverges from those of the other main political parties, including the minority governing Liberals, the Social Democrats, and the Conservatives, each of whom prefers the 30-36 unit purchase option.

The unit total preferences threaten to be an unbridgeable divide for a fighter program carrying a price tag estimated at between $2.8 billion and $4.5 billion, depending on the number of aircraft purchased.  Swallowing such a significant price tag is made all the more politically difficult by the straitened finances of the MoD, whose budget declined by more than 7 percent year-on-year in 2015 and is unlikely to expand much under the next five-year defense spending agreement (the current plan expires in 2017).  Adding to the price of the purchase are the long-term operating and maintenance costs over the life of the aircraft – estimated to be between $10-$13 billion across a 30-40-year period.

Furthermore, many opposition parties are adamantly opposed to using sources outside the national budget, such as international loans, in order to finance the procurement, meaning whatever funding is required must come from a Danish national budget carefully managed over the past three fiscal years to avoid exceeding the European Union's deficit threshold of 3 percent of GDP.

Public spending cuts and a listless economy have shrunk the political appetite for a large fighter purchase, particularly among the left-leaning parties like the SPP, who see large, expensive military projects as draining limited government resources better allocated toward health care, child care, education, and public transportation.  At a time when funding pressures are placing all government ministries in a financial straightjacket, these parties contend that resources are better allocated internally and that the armed forces' missions abroad should be curtailed.  Rather than participating in every EU- or NATO-led peacekeeping mission, they argue, the military should focus more on homeland defense, which would lessen the need for a larger number of new fighters.

The argument over financing looms larger when juxtaposed with concerns that the military budget may get overwhelmed by the fighter purchase, particularly at a time when the defense force hopes to upgrade its armored vehicle and artillery capabilities.

Because of the sensitive issue of ensuring that Denmark's defense force has sufficient funds in future procurement budgets, the likelihood is that the final agreed-upon number of fighters to be procured will total 24 combat aircraft.  Any additional RDAF capability requirements would then be met via drone acquisitions.  This seems all the more logical considering the suspected favored platform, the Lockheed Martin F-35, will carry with it an estimated unit cost of at least $85-$95 million per aircraft by the time Denmark would be ready to ink a contract.

Besides funding, political stability has been an issue for Denmark as it seeks to nudge the fighter replacement program forward.  A series of ministerial shuffling that has seen the MoD headed by three different ministers in just over two years has done little to help the decision-making process.

Adding to this is the precarious position of the minority government of Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen, which barely survived in February when the Conservatives threatened to withhold support and force a snap election unless Environment and Food Minister Eva Kjer Hansen was dismissed.  Rasmussen refused to remove his Cabinet member, who had come under fire over agricultural reforms, but the threat to the government passed when Hansen voluntarily stepped down.

Defense Minister Peter Christensen has stated to the Parliamentary Defense Committee that a fighter selection will not be revealed until all funding issues are resolved and an all-party financial plan is in place.  But besides cost and performance, another concern for Christensen and the government is the selected vendor's long-term support and industrial cooperation plans for Denmark.  Danish officials hope these will result in spin-off jobs and capital investments in Danish industry, as well as maintenance and servicing guarantees for the duration of the new fighters' service lives.

Denmark is a Tier-3 partner in the Lockheed Martin-led F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program and has invested an estimated $291 million in the project to date.  Many still believe that the fighter remains the favorite to replace the Danish F-16s.  Yet, a decision by Christensen late last year to decline providing the Parliamentary Defense Committee with specifics regarding technical issues concerning the F-35 raised in the Director, Operational Test, and Evaluation Office report for the U.S. Secretary of Defense was not well received.

While Denmark's preference is likely a U.S.-derived solution, an F-35 selection would certainly raise questions that the defense minister and government would not be able to evade.  But until the financials are worked out, it is a worry they can continue pushing into the future – just not too far into the future, as the RDAF plans to begin phasing the F-16 fleet out of service between 2020 and 2024.

So, chalk up yet another issue confronting the Danish Defense Ministry as it seeks to finally nail down a selection – a selection originally planned for April 2009 that has been delayed five times, with the very real possibility that a sixth delay awaits.

http://blog.forecastinternational.com/wordpress/denmarks-fighter-selection-date-faces-yet-another-delay-as-replacement-program-struggles-to-lift-off/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/05/2016 | 11:19 uur
In de update van het Reuters bericht wordt nu gesproken over ten minste 27 stuks van de F-35. Hopelijk dus niet maximaal 27 stuks.

UPDATE 2-Danish government to recommend Lockheed Martin F-35 jet -sources

By Jacob Gronholt-Pedersen and Tim Hepher | May 11, 2016

* Government to recommend Lockheed Martin F-35 jets -sources

* Denmark to buy at least 27 of the fighter jets -sources

* F-35 choice can be blocked by Danish parliament (Adds details, background)

COPENHAGEN/PARIS, May 11 Denmark's government will recommend the purchase of at least 27 F-35 stealth fighters built by U.S. weapons maker Lockheed Martin Corp, people familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/global-aerospace-denmark-decision-idUSL5N1886EM
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/05/2016 | 11:29 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/05/2016 | 11:19 uur
In de update van het Reuters bericht wordt nu gesproken over ten minste 27 stuks van de F-35. Hopelijk dus niet maximaal 27 stuks.

UPDATE 2-Danish government to recommend Lockheed Martin F-35 jet -sources

By Jacob Gronholt-Pedersen and Tim Hepher | May 11, 2016

* Government to recommend Lockheed Martin F-35 jets -sources

* Denmark to buy at least 27 of the fighter jets -sources

* F-35 choice can be blocked by Danish parliament (Adds details, background)

COPENHAGEN/PARIS, May 11 Denmark's government will recommend the purchase of at least 27 F-35 stealth fighters built by U.S. weapons maker Lockheed Martin Corp, people familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/global-aerospace-denmark-decision-idUSL5N1886EM

Net als in NL, is er veel roering in de regering en bij de politieke partijen omtrent de aankoop en ook de F-35. De kogel is nog niet door de kerk.

The selection by Denmark's minority Liberal government follows intense public debate about the cost of modernising the country's air force, but it can still be blocked by parliament, where opposition politicians are urging budget restraint.
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The recommendation, first reported by Denmark's TV2 News, will be followed by a public comment period of 30 days, said one of the people, who was not authorised to speak publicly. The final number of jets could shift during this period.
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News of the recommendation emerged as doubts were raised over a crucial parliamentary committee hearing scheduled for Friday.
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Some of Denmark's biggest parties including the Social Democrats have raised concerns about the economic impact of fighter purchases at a time of spending pressures.

4 stukjes uit hetzelfde Reuters-artikel
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/05/2016 | 11:45 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 12/05/2016 | 11:29 uur
The recommendation, first reported by Denmark's TV2 News, will be followed by a public comment period of 30 days, said one of the people, who was not authorised to speak publicly. The final number of jets could shift during this period.
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News of the recommendation emerged as doubts were raised over a crucial parliamentary committee hearing scheduled for Friday.
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Kunnen ze tijdens deze 30 dagen eventueel de belevingsdagen en de KLu open dagen bezoeken als ze een F-35A willen horen en/of zien  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 12/05/2016 | 11:51 uur
En net als in Nederland is men behoorlijk aan het navelstaren en komt het argument om zich vooral op de eigen omgeving te richten uit de hoge hoed van oppositie. Ik vermoed niet omdat men dat echt vind, want ik verwacht JUIST bij de twee linkse tegenstanders veel mensen die voor humanitaire operaities/interventies zijn, maar puur uit opportunistische redenen. Er wordt melding gemaakt van bezuinigingen bij de overheid, maar uiteraard wordt amper vermeld hoe weinig er aan Defensie wordt uitgegeven... Typisch...

Met dergelijke teksten ga je haast denken dat het budget van Defensie van gelijkwaardige omvang is als die van de gezondheidszorg, onderwijs en sociale zekerheid... verder van de waarheid kan men haast niet zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 12/05/2016 | 12:00 uur
Maar goed... vanaf een afstand er op kijkend vraag ik mij af waarom men niet voor de SuperHornet gaat? Situatie is vergelijkbaar met Nederland maar dan bijna alles nog een tandje kleiner omdat het land dat ook is: een structureel te laag budget ligt in de basis. Waarom men dan er niet voor kiest om in ieder geval een luchtmacht in stand te houden en bijv. wat meer op de landstrijdkrachten te focussen snap ik eerlijk gezegd niet. 24-27 SuperHornets kan men in ieder geval het eigen luchtruim bewaken en minimale CAS leveren. Maar daar zouden dan wel bijv. noodzakelijke investeringen in de Landstrijdrachten tegenover staan zodat men daar een volwaardige NATO-bijdrage kan leveren. Of men kiest voor de marine. Kan ook. Maar ik snap niet waarom men, net zoals dat in Nederland lijkt te gebeuren, voor het luchtwapen kiest...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 12/05/2016 | 12:16 uur
Ja, het is een trend die men in bijna alle landen in Europa kan waarnemen. Nederland en Denemarken zijn daar zeker niet uniek in. Blijkbaar gaat men ervan uit dat men volledig veilig is en er geen of amper bedreigingen zijn en is men, wederom, niet alleen in Nederland maar ook in de rest van Europa vooral aan het kijken naar de korte termijn waar men als burger zelf iets aan heeft... gevaarlijke tendens die al een tijdje duurt en waarvan je zou verwachten dat deze meer dan uiterst minimaal zou worden gecorrigeerd in de meeste landen na de Krim, Ukraine, Libie en de Arabische lente in zijn algemeenheid.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 12/05/2016 | 12:18 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 12/05/2016 | 12:15 uur
Hoewel de Denen iets verder vooruit kijken met hun defensie dan Nederland dat lijkt te doen, zitten ook zij er flink mee in de maag dat ze gewoon harde keuzes moeten maken. Zo hebben ze bijvoorbeeld hun OZD opgeheven. Kiezen tussen de krijgsmachtdelen is iets dat ik al jaren propageer, maar het vereist wel veel vertrouwen in je bondgenoten. En daar zijn de Denen misschien nog sceptischer dan de Nederlanders. Het gevolg is inderdaad dat je met 3 krijgsmachtdelen zit die eigenlijk geen van allen wat dan ook kunnen klaarspelen.

Maar vergeet niet dat ook Denemarken al vuistdiep in dit programma zit. Zij zijn Level 3 partner, gelijk met Australië, Canada en Turkije.
Een Gripen kopen zou m.i. een goede zet zijn voor de Kalmar alliantie, maar de F35 is politiek gezien gewoon erg sterk gepositioneerd.

Waarom niet voor de SuperHornet gaan? Verder volledig eens.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/05/2016 | 12:30 uur
Citaat van: Mourning op 12/05/2016 | 12:18 uur
Waarom niet voor de SuperHornet gaan? Verder volledig eens.

Een Deense Super Hornet keuze zou denk ik sterker staan als ook België en eventueel Finland deze kiezen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/05/2016 | 13:14 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 12/05/2016 | 12:05 uur
Ik heb de cijfers maar eens opgezocht. Is wel een oude factsheet, maar het zal niet extreem veranderd zijn.
Het Defensie budget in Denemarken stelt niks voor, slechts 2,4% van de begroting. In Nederland is dit iets meer: 2,85%.

https://www.oecd.org/gov/GAAG2013_CFS_DNK.pdf (https://www.oecd.org/gov/GAAG2013_CFS_DNK.pdf)

Waarbij ook Denemarken een overzees gebieds(lands)deel heeft net als Nederland, namelijk Groenland. Welke eigenlijk (voor mijn gevoel) als ondergeschoven kindje gezien wordt. Er is daar de Amerikaanse luchtmachtbasis Thule (tevens radarstation) dus de Denen zullen zwaar leunen op de bescherming van de VS. De Denen zijn in 2014 voor het eerst daar geweest met een 2-tal F-16's en 1 als reserve kist, voor oefeningen !!
De Deense marine is met 1 schip wel permanent aanwezig in de wateren bij Groenland,  Knud Rasmussen OPV voor de Artic operaties. Deze klasse bestaat uit 3 schepen.
Het Noordpool-pool wordt in de toekomst, dus ook Groenland belangrijker. Stationering van troepen, materieel zal (denk ik) in de toekomst toenemen.   

Knud Rasmussen-class patrol vessel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knud_Rasmussen-class_patrol_vessel

Royal Danish Air Force F-16 planes have deployed to Greenland to undertake an Arctic mission
https://theaviationist.com/2014/08/10/rdaf-arctic-mission/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 12/05/2016 | 13:38 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/05/2016 | 12:30 uur
Een Deense Super Hornet keuze zou denk ik sterker staan als ook België en eventueel Finland deze kiezen.

Eens. Je zou dan ook uberhaupt meer coordinatie tussen de verschillende landen verwachten... al is het maar om bijv. ook gezamenlijke traningstoestellen in de VS te kopen of iets dergelijks...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/05/2016 | 13:48 uur
Citaat van: Mourning op 12/05/2016 | 13:38 uur
Eens. Je zou dan ook uberhaupt meer coordinatie tussen de verschillende landen verwachten... al is het maar om bijv. ook gezamenlijke traningstoestellen in de VS te kopen of iets dergelijks...
Het is voor een klein Europees land als Denemarken gewoon niet handig als zij als enigste op het continent met de Super Hornet vliegen.

Alles wat zij bijvoorbeeld als F-16 EPAF land hebben opgebouwd, wordt dan behoorlijk teniet gedaan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/05/2016 | 14:03 uur
Over Super Hornets gesproken.

Boeing resumes Advanced Super Hornet push as US Navy considers fleet size

By James Drew, Washington DC | 11 May 2016

Boeing Defense has "matured its thinking" about the Advanced Super Hornet concept that it launched in 2013 and flight tested, revealing a scaled-back configuration this week with fewer stealth features and perhaps a greater chance of being picked up by the US Navy.

The new design, which would be mostly common between Boeing's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler warplanes, is a mix of new capabilities and upgrades like the centreline fuel tank-mounted infrared search and track (IRST21) sensor, integrated defensive electronic countermeasures (IDECM) Block IV, and next-generation jammer that are already being fielded as programmes of records.

Upgrades that have not yet been adopted by the Pentagon include an active electronically scanned array radar (AESA), conformal fuel tanks and an open architecture cockpit with a 48cm (19in) wide-area display.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=54403)
Boeing

The proposal comes ahead of the Navy League Sea-Air-Space exposition in Washington DC next week, and amid discussions within the Pentagon about how many more Super Hornets and Growlers the navy actually needs beyond the 568 F/A-18s and 160 EA-18Gs that have already been ordered.

Boeing is also preparing to undertake an F/A-18E/F service life extension programme that would extend that carrier-based aircraft's usability from 6,000 flight hours to 9,000h.

The first Super Hornet to reach 6,000h will likely be inducted for overhaul later this year, and meanwhile, the lives of legacy Hornet types are already being extended out to 10,000h.

The US chief of naval operations recently told Congress that the maritime service needs 24-36 more Super Hornets to meet an acknowledged fighter capacity gap as the Lockheed Martin F-35 comes online six or seven years later than expected.

The navy currently maintains nine carrier air wings including a 10th "paper wing" to support America's 10 aircraft carriers, as well as an 11th Ford-class vessel that is not yet commissioned.

Each air wing ideally contains four fighter squadron with 44 total aircraft, and current F-35 production and Hornet recapitalisation rates would see two F-35 and two F/A-18 squadrons per air wing in the 2030s.

Boeing's vice-president of F/A-18 and EA-18G programmes Dan Gillian says based current orders – including the 15 added by Congress in fiscal year 2015 defence budget and the dozen more included in FY2016 – continues Super Hornet production in St Louis, Missouri through mid-2018 at a rate of two aircraft per month.

The congressional defence committees have moved to fund 16 more F/A-18 units as part of the FY2017 budget (14 more than requested) and Gillian remains confident of a near-term deal with Kuwait.

The Super Hornet executive says that while the navy has a nearer term need for 24-36 aircraft, Boeing's analysis suggests that "about 100" more aircraft will be needed long-term.

As the navy considers if it needs more Growlers beyond the five to seven aircraft currently employed by each carrier air wing, Gillian suggests that eight are needed per carrier air group to meet navy mission needs and perhaps even as many as "10 to 11" per wing to fulfil joint force requirements for airborne electronic attack.

The company sees long-term viability in its St Louis line as long as production rates stay above two per month. Gillian says assembly dropped to that floor rate in April.

Boeing is eyeing fighter requirements by Canada, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, Spain and Kuwait and is even considering building some portion of the aircraft in India if it were successful in that campaign.

Regarding the Advanced Super Hornet and Growler, Gillian says Australia has already expressed interest in the conformal fuel tanks for its aircraft, and by doing away with drop tanks, the electronic attack pods on the EA-18G will have a greater field of regard.

It terms of differences between the Advanced Super Hornet proposal put forward in 2013 – which included low-observable enhancements like an enclosed weapons pod – and the one presented to the media on 11 May, Gillian says "the biggest different is maturation of thought".

"Twenty-thirteen was really about how great can we make Super Hornet in some of those stealth areas?" he says. "That was a little bit more of a head-to-head discussion [versus the F-35].

"Twenty-sixteen is about complimentary capability and what does the carrier air wing need given the other assets like F-35, [Northrop Grumman] E-2D and Growler that are going to be out there."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/boeing-resumes-advanced-super-hornet-push-as-us-navy-425221/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 12/05/2016 | 14:14 uur
Vers van de pers: Denmark releases summary of why they selected the F35

http://www.fmn.dk/temaer/kampfly/Documents/type-selection-denmarks-new-fighter-aircrafts-english-summary5.pdf

F35 vs Eurofighter vs Super Hornet
CitaatThe primary underlying basis of information has been the responses to the request for information, the so-called 'Request for Binding Information' (RBI), which was sent out to the candidates on 10 April 2014. At the time of the resumption of the fighter aircraft type selection
process, the Swedish fighter Gripen was also a candidate. However, the Gripen withdrew from the process when the Swedish authorities decided not to respond to the RBI. The New Fighter Program received responses from the suppliers of the Eurofighter, the Joint Strike Fighter and the Super Hornet on 21 July 2014. 

Taken:
CitaatNational tasks   involved    with   maintaining  a  permanent   quick  reaction  alert  capability  which  can  perform tasks involving surveillance and defending sovereignty  and which can be scrambled with extremely short notice. Additionally, other national tasks such as supporting the Danish national police and other public authorities.

• International operations and  NATO's collective defence tasks with a fighter contribution on high alert state in which four fighters can be deployed for a period of up to 12 months every third year. In addition, periodic fighter contributions to NATO Air Policing missions.

Citaat
Strategic aspects                     Military aspects                          economic aspects                                  industrial aspects
1. Joint strike fighter              1. Joint strike fighter                     1. Joint strike fighter                               1. Joint strike fighter         
2. eurofighter                         2. super hornet                              2. super hornet                                   2. super hornet
3. super hornet                       3. eurofighter                                3. eurofighter                                      3. eurofighter

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiQVXq3XAAAoNxj.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiQVXsWWwAIO2wP.jpg)

In de laatste tabel zijn de aantallen opvallend: 34 Eurofighters, 28 F35's of 38 Super Hornets. Voor hetzelfde budget? Waarom niet dezelfde aantallen genomen voor een goede vergelijking?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/05/2016 | 14:34 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 12/05/2016 | 14:14 uur
In de laatste tabel zijn de aantallen opvallend: 34 Eurofighters, 28 F35's of 38 Super Hornets. Voor hetzelfde budget? Waarom niet dezelfde aantallen genomen voor een goede vergelijking?

Hier zal vast een gedachte achter zitten. Komt ook nog bij dat deze aantallen afwijken van de tot nu toe constant genoemde aantallen 24, 30 en 36.

Edit. Onderstaande uit het .pdf bestand op pagina 8 viel mij op.
"Another reason is that the Super Hornet is a two-seat aircraft, which implies a greater need for flight instruction hours and training of crews than the Eurofighter and the Joint Strike Fighter."

Blijkbaar keken ze bij de Super Hornet alleen naar de F/A-18F tweezitter en niet naar de F/A-18E éénzitter.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Elzenga op 12/05/2016 | 15:19 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 12/05/2016 | 14:14 uur
....

In de laatste tabel zijn de aantallen opvallend: 34 Eurofighters, 28 F35's of 38 Super Hornets. Voor hetzelfde budget? Waarom niet dezelfde aantallen genomen voor een goede vergelijking?
Officieel denk ik omdat je voor wat je wilt doen en kunnen 28 F35s nodig hebt en dus 34 Eurofighters of 38 Super Hornets. Officieus is het vaak een manier om te manipuleren met eisen en vooral de (totale) kosten. Het laat zich raden welk toestel er dan als beste uit komt en waar men al vanaf dag 1 naartoe gewerkt heeft. Nederland is niet uniek wat betreft een bepaalde fixatie binnen een krijgsmachtdeel. De Amerikanen hebben op dat punt goede (lange termijn) investeringen gedaan bij hun bondgenoten. Knap! Maar of het in het strategisch belang van ons Europa is betwijfel ik ten zeerste. Maar dat is een andere discussie. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 12/05/2016 | 15:19 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/05/2016 | 13:48 uur
Het is voor een klein Europees land als Denemarken gewoon niet handig als zij als enigste op het continent met de Super Hornet vliegen.

Alles wat zij bijvoorbeeld als F-16 EPAF land hebben opgebouwd, wordt dan behoorlijk teniet gedaan.

Ja, vandaar ook mijn vraag waarom men niet met een aantal gelijkgezinde landen om de tafel is gaan zitten...? Finland vliegt bijv. al met oudere Hornets en je zou zeggen dat het niet geheel onlogisch zou zijn voor hen om over te stappen op de directe opvolger van het in hun huidige bestand opgenomen jachtvliegtuig. Waarom Boeing daar specifiek ook blijkbaar niet op is ingesprongen snap ik ook niet helemaal. Zeker nu alle keiduur wordt zou je zeggen dat het voor bijv. de Scandinavische landen zomaar heel aantrekkelijk zou kunnen zijn om bijv. gezamenlijk de opleiding op het nieuwe jachtvliegtuig in de VS zou bekostigen en verzorgen, maar het is weer allemaal ieder voor zich en God voor ons allen..., zo lijkt het.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 12/05/2016 | 15:25 uur
Citaat van: Elzenga op 12/05/2016 | 15:19 uur
Officieel denk ik omdat je voor wat je wilt doen en kunnen 28 F35s nodig hebt en dus 34 Eurofighters of 38 Super Hornets. Officieus is het vaak een manier om te manipuleren met eisen en vooral de (totale) kosten. Het laat zich raden welk toestel er dan als beste uit komt en waar men al vanaf dag 1 naartoe gewerkt heeft. Nederland is niet uniek wat betreft een bepaalde fixatie binnen een krijgsmachtdeel. De Amerikanen hebben op dat punt goede (lange termijn) investeringen gedaan bij hun bondgenoten. Knap! Maar of het in het strategisch belang van ons Europa is betwijfel ik ten zeerste. Maar dat is een andere discussie.

Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/05/2016 | 14:34 uur
Hier zal vast een gedachte achter zitten. Komt ook nog bij dat deze aantallen afwijken van de tot nu toe constant genoemde aantallen 24, 30 en 36.

Edit. Onderstaande uit het .pdf bestand op pagina 8 viel mij op.
"Another reason is that the Super Hornet is a two-seat aircraft, which implies a greater need for flight instruction hours and training of crews than the Eurofighter and the Joint Strike Fighter."

Blijkbaar keken ze bij de Super Hornet alleen naar de F/A-18F tweezitter en niet naar de F/A-18E éénzitter.

Precies, hebben ze mooi van NL afgekeken. Zegt wel weer iets over de (ruk) kwaliteit van zo'n vergelijking. In theorie is het mooi dat 28 F35's kunnen waar je 38 SH's voor nodig zou hebben, maar in praktijk volgens mij echt onrealistisch als je er ook nog elk derde jaar 4 operationeel wil hebben. Hoe moeten we dat laatste lezen eigenlijk?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/05/2016 | 15:38 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 12/05/2016 | 15:25 uur
Precies, hebben ze mooi van NL afgekeken. Zegt wel weer iets over de (ruk) kwaliteit van zo'n vergelijking. In theorie is het mooi dat 28 F35's kunnen waar je 38 SH's voor nodig zou hebben, maar in praktijk volgens mij echt onrealistisch als je er ook nog elk derde jaar 4 operationeel wil hebben. Hoe moeten we dat laatste lezen eigenlijk?

Bedoel je mijn Edit? Omdat de F/A-18F een tweezitter is, zou dit volgens het verslag hogere kosten geven m.b.t. opleiding en de vliegers. Zelf vind ik het vreemd dat de F/A-18E niet is meegenomen.

Om terug te komen op de aantallen. In de nieuwsberichten had men het er telkens over wat de drie types per aantal (24/30/36) zouden gaan kosten en kunnen. Dus allemaal hetzelfde aantal.

Straks heeft zelfs Zwitserland meer dan Denemarken  :(
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Elzenga op 12/05/2016 | 15:45 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 12/05/2016 | 15:25 uur
Precies, hebben ze mooi van NL afgekeken. Zegt wel weer iets over de (ruk) kwaliteit van zo'n vergelijking. In theorie is het mooi dat 28 F35's kunnen waar je 38 SH's voor nodig zou hebben, maar in praktijk volgens mij echt onrealistisch als je er ook nog elk derde jaar 4 operationeel wil hebben. Hoe moeten we dat laatste lezen eigenlijk?
Ik vermoed dat wat de Denen willen kunnen met hun gevechtsvliegtuigen met een eenzitter F-18 niet mogelijk is...met de F35 en Eurofighter eenzitter wel. Van de laatste is immers ook een 2-zitter beschikbaar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 12/05/2016 | 15:56 uur
Citaat van: Elzenga op 12/05/2016 | 15:45 uur
Ik vermoed dat wat de Denen willen kunnen met hun gevechtsvliegtuigen met een eenzitter F-18 niet mogelijk is...met de F35 en Eurofighter eenzitter wel. Van de laatste is immers ook een 2-zitter beschikbaar.

Lijkt mij wat sterk, ik ben van mening dat tweezitters nog steeds actueel zijn en zéker hun meerwaarde hebben, bijvoorbeeld bij ABSC, EW, SEAD, U(c)AVcontrol, Training etc. Ondanks moderne technologie is de working load voor één vlieger in gevechtsomstandigheden erg hoog.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 14/05/2016 | 15:50 uur
U.S. Navy future fighter fleet mix proposals.

The Rise and Fall of Aircraft Carrier Air Power.
Jaartal en schip                         gemiddeld bereik              aantal vliegtuigen                   gemiddelde nuttige lading   
1922, USS Langley                    259 km    ( 15)                           30    ( 35)                                     277 kg    (  5)

1930, USS Lexington                 478 km    ( 28)                           70    ( 82)                                     168 kg    (  3) 

1943, USS Essex                    1.404 km    ( 83)                           90    (106)                                    816 kg    ( 14)

1956, USS Forrestal                2.241 km    (133)                          46    ( 54)                                  2.051 kg    ( 35)

1986, USS Nimitz                   1.682 km    (100)                           85    (100)                                 5.797 kg    (100)

2006, USS Nimitz                     919 km     ( 55)                           62     ( 73)                                 5.461 kg    ( 94)

De US Navy leerde tijdens realistische oefeningen in de jaren 30 en met veel zweet, pijn en in bloed gedrenkte ervaringen in WO 2,
dat een gemaximaliseerde "mass" (aantallen); payload (nuttige lading) en vliegbereik cruciaal waren voor de effectiviteit, doelmatigheid en overlevingskansen van vliegdekschepen.
In de jaren 90 ging deze "reach" dramatisch achteruit door uitfasering van de A-6 Intruder.  En in het eerste decennium van deze eeuw liep deze nog verder terug door pensionering van de F-14 Tomcat en S-3 Viking.
Echter, aan de andere kant van de Pacific 'plas' ging men over tot invoering van de Dong Feng-21 ballistische raket met een bereik van 1.850 km.

Dus de US Navy heeft een uitdaging om deze dreiging te neutraliseren.
                                              Optie 1                             Optie 2                             Optie 3

gemiddeld bereik                      1.343 km  ( 80)                 1.461 km  ( 87)                 1.671 km  ( 99)

gemiddelde nuttige lading          3.830 kg   ( 66)                 7.221 kg   (125)                5.373 kg   ( 93)

aantal jaren om dit te bereiken       nooit                              15 jaar                             5 jaar

Luchtvloot samenstellingen op vliegdekschepen:

Optie 1:  6x EA-18G Growlers,   24x F-18E/F Super Hornets,   6x UCAV's,      20x F-35C's,          5x E-2D Hawkeye's = 61 kisten.

Optie 2:  6x EA-18G Growlers,   36x F-18E/F Super Hornets,   6x UCAV's,      10x F-35C's,          5x E-2D Hawkeye's = 63 kisten.
                                                                                                                 
Optie 3:  6x EA-18G Growlers,   44x F-18E/F Super Hornets,   12x UCAV's,   4x K-UCAV's* ,        5x E-2D Hawkeye's = 71 kisten.   
             
Dus in optie 3, nul 4,8 generatie F-35C's !  Dus de US Navy is dan van dat ongewilde weeskind af.
De bespaarde muntjes worden gestoken in verder ontwikkeling van de X-47B UCAV en het (*) K-UCAV, een onbemand tankvliegtuig.
Zodat de F-18E/F's geen tanker sorties hoeven te vliegen, want in 33 - 40 % van alle F-18E/F sorties wordt er alleen maar peut (af)getapt.
Bovenstaande optie 1 en 2 vallen binnen de US Navy begroting, bij optie 3 moet men deze iets verhogen.
Maar optie 3 werkt het snelst en meest doeltreffend en biedt een high / low mix tussen respectievelijk (K)-UCAV's en Super Hornets.

Het betreft hier een studie om de tacAir slagkracht van de U.S. navy te herstellen.

Vergelijken we optie 1 en 2 dan blijkt dat de U.S. Navy nu en in de toekomst 12 Super Hornets vervangen kunnen worden door hooguit 10 F-35C's.

Maar als in plaats van die 10 F-35C's, 12 nieuwbouw 'Super Bugs' worden aangeschaft dan neemt het gemiddeld bereik met bijna 9 % toe en de gemiddelde nuttige lading neemt toe met bijna 89 % !!!
Hier kun je een trade in van payload (nuttige lading) voor extra fuel (bereik) toepassen, dus je slagkracht is veel groter.
De KLu F-35A is dan wel goedkoper dan de F-35C, maar heeft ook een kleiner bereik, dus hier zullen de verschillen nog groter zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 14/05/2016 | 22:42 uur
Poleme heb je ook zo'n vergelijking tussen de Harrier en de F35B?
En dan bedoel ik de als deze van lichte carriers en LHD's opereren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 16/05/2016 | 12:45 uur
Voor de F-35B en F-35C zijn qua bereik Key Performance Parameters (KPP) vastgesteld.
Het vliegbereik van de Harrier is lastig te vinden.  Maar ik weet zeker dat de AV-8B's tijdens de Golf Oorlog van 1991 een gemiddelde sortie duur hadden van 73 minuten bij een kruissnelheid van 740 km/u.  Dat resulteert dus in een actie radius van minder dan 450 km.  Slechts 17% van alle AV-8B sorties tijdens Desert Shield & Storm waren ten behoeve van Close Air Support.
En dat US Marines grondtroepen tijdens Ops Iraqi Freedom klaagden dat de AV-8B een "loiter time" (rond cirkelen zeg maar) hadden van slechts 15 - 20 minuten.
Zij vroegen daarom om extra AC-130 gunships met een loiter time van 6 uren.

Actie radi vergeleken:
Harrier GR.9                       300 nm /    555 km.        (met een wapenlast kleiner dan van de F-35B.)
F-35B STOVL                      450 nm /    833 km.        (Bewapend met 2x 1000 ponders en 2x 154 kg zware AIM-120's intern volgens KPP.)
F-35C Carrier variant          600 nm  / 1.111 km.        (Bewapend met 2x 2000 ponders, 2x 154 kg zware AIM-120's & 25mm munitie intern volgens KPP.)

F-16C                                678 nm /  1.255 km.        (2x 1.400 liter tanks, 2x 2000 ponders, 2x AIM-120's en een volle 20mm munitie trommel.)
F-18E Super Hornet            365 nm /     676 km.        (1.250 liter tanks, 2x 2000 ponders, 2x AIM-120's en een volle munitie trommel)
Echter ... zowel bronnen in de VS als het VK geven aan dat de F-35B met bovengenoemde wapenlast slechts een actieradius heeft van 386 nm / 715 km.

Stationeer je de F-35B aan boord van een LHD, bijvoorbeeld een ca. 41.000 ton Wasp klasse of het HMS Queen Elisabeth vliegdekschip, dan loopt de actie radius van de F-35 B terug naar circa 250 nm / 463 km !

Volgens het Britse Dept of Defense waren Britse Harrier's boven Afghanistan bewapend met 2 externe peut tanks; 2 Paveway II of IV 500 pond laser geleide bommen; 2 rocket pods met elk 19x CRV-7 70mm raketten; 2 BOL chaff / flare dispensers (alu strookjes en fakkel werpers in een buis ter grote v.e. Sidewinder raket); 1 TIALD, Sniper of Litening doelaanwijspod onder de romp en 1 Digital Joint Reconnaissance Pod (DJRP), ook onder de romp.  Volgens de officiële berichten hadden deze Harriers een sortie duur van 2 uren.
Echter , volgens een Amerikaanse bron vlogen de Britse Harriers daar in een 'tweetje', officiel "pair" genoemd met de volgende bewapening:
Een met een 540 ponds 'ijzeren' ongeleide bom; 1 CRV-70 rocket pod en een DJRP verkenning pod.  De tweede was uitgerust met een oude TIALD, later vervangen door een Sniper of Litening doel aanwijzer en slechts 1 1000 ponds laser geleide bom.  Beide vliegtuigen hadden overigens ook elk 2 peut tanks bij zich.
In de RAF was er een stroming die vond dat men beter de Jaguar bommenwerper kon sturen.  Deze heeft een betere payload - range verhouding dan de Harrier GR.9 en is goedkoper in het gebruik.   Deze underpowered maar kosten-effectieve (waar voor je geld) jet was oorspronkelijk bedoeld om vanaf ongeplaveide startbanen te opereren, die slechts 5 a 10 minuten vliegen vanaf de frontlijn lagen
Bronnen in de VS en het VK geven bronnen aan, dat een F-35B opererend vanaf een (Wasp klasse) LHD niet kan starten met een volle peut tank, maar wel een externe gun pod en 2x 1.000 ponder bewapening slechts een totale vliegduur heeft van iets minder dan 45 minuten.

The Myth of VTOL and STOVL.
Tijdens de Golf Oorlog van 1991 werden AV-8B's vanaf Forward Operating Bases ingezet.   Tijdens de laatste 10 dagen vlogen AV-8B's vanaf een korte startbaan op Tanajib, ongeveer 56 km ten zuiden van de Koeweitse grens.  Ondanks deze FOB bleef de gemiddelde "sortie generation rate" lager dan die van de F-16C, die van van veel verder gelegen vliegbases opereerden.  Niet zo verwonderlijk, want een motor wissel bij de Harrier kost maar liefst 550 manuren, terwijl 1 motor bij de F-18 Hornet slechts in 9 manuren is gewisseld, bij de F-16 kost dat 10 man-uren.   In 2002, koste 1 AV-8B Harrier vlieguur maar liefst 25 Maintenance Man Hour per Flight Hour (MMH/FH), terwijl voor diverse F-18 modellen toen 5 - 12,5 manuren benodigd waren.  Ter vergelijking: in 2007 had de A-10A slechts 14,03 manuren; de F-15E 22,75 manuren en de F-16C 17,75 manuren aan onderhoud per vlieguur nodig.
Feit is ook dat zowel AV-8B's als Harrier GR.7's, GR.9's en Sea Harriers meer dan 50 % van hun missies niet vanaf 'dikke boten', maar vanaf land bases vliegen.  ;)
Overigens bedraagt de (huidige) sortie generation rate van de F-35 slechts 1 sortie per ... 2 dagen !
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/05/2016 | 17:25 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 16/05/2016 | 17:20 uur
De F35B is misschien wel de meest mislukte van allemaal.

Annuleren is de beste optie.

En toch loopt de B versie minder gevaar dan de C.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/05/2016 | 17:37 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 16/05/2016 | 17:20 uur
De F35B is misschien wel de meest mislukte van allemaal.

Annuleren is de beste optie.
Probeer de U.S. Marine Corps maar zo ver te krijgen. Laat staan de ombouwkosten van de Queen Elizabeth-klasse, als dit nog mogelijk is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/05/2016 | 19:11 uur
Nog twee dagen.

Saab Unveils The First Gripen E

Saab press release | 16 May 2016

Defence and security company Saab will take the next step in the evolution of the Gripen fighter system on 18 May, with the unveiling of the first test aircraft of the next generation, Gripen E.

The unveiling of the first Gripen E test aircraft will take place at Saab's facilities in Linköping. Among the speakers are the Swedish Minister for Defence, Peter Hultqvist; the Swedish Air Force Chief of Staff, Mats Helgesson; Commander of the Brazilian Air Force, Nivaldo Luiz Rossato; and from Saab the Chairman of the Board, Marcus Wallenberg; the CEO, Håkan Buskhe and head of business area Aeronautics, Ulf Nilsson.

"There is huge global interest in the Gripen fighter system and we are now ready to present the first Gripen E. We look forward to sharing this important event with both guests and viewers," says Ulf Nilsson, head of Saab business area Aeronautics.

"This key milestone is proof of our ability to build world-class fighters on time and on budget and it brings us one step closer to first flight and delivery to our customer", says Ulf Nilsson.

The event will be livestreamed on our website making it possible for people around the world to take part. Please visit www.gripen.com/evolution to learn more about the Gripen Evolution and to watch the unveiling of the Gripen E.

The live webcast will start on Wednesday 18 May at 15.00 CET. Registration for the webcast is not required.

To follow the event in social media, join the conversation at #smartfighter and follow @saab on twitter.

For further information, please contact:

Saab Press Centre,

+46 (0)734 180 018,

presscentre@saabgroup.com

www.saabgroup.com

www.saabgroup.com/YouTube

Saab serves the global market with world-leading products, services and solutions within military defence and civil security. Saab has operations and employees on all continents around the world. Through innovative, collaborative and pragmatic thinking, Saab develops, adopts and improves new technology to meet customers' changing needs.

http://saab.com/air/gripen-fighter-system/gripen/gripen/newsandpress/gripen-news-feed/saab-unveils-the-first-gripen-e/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/05/2016 | 19:28 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 16/05/2016 | 19:11 uur
Nog twee dagen.


Kunnen we eindelijk zeggen dat het papieren tijdperk voltooit verleden tijd is... nu maar zien of deze Griffioen, een hybridisch fabeldier, haar gedroomde reputatie waar gaat maken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 17/05/2016 | 14:29 uur
British F-35s to Be Armed with New Spear 3 Missiles

British aircraft have been hitting Daesh targets in the Middle East with Brimstone air-to-surface missiles since November last year. However, planning for an upgrade is already underway.

French, Italian, and British missile manufacturer MBDA will produce new Spear 3 warheads which will go into service in 2025, in conjunction with the F-35B Lightning II stealth aircraft (due in 2018 and manufactured in the US by Lockheed Martin).

While the Brimstone is already capable of hitting targets from 20,000 feet and seven miles away, Spear 3s are expected to have an effective range of at least 100kms, and possibly as far as 120 (almost 75 miles). Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said:

"These new missiles, combined with our new F35 Lightning, will enable us to hit our enemies harder. They are both part of our commitment to increase defence spending to keep Britain safe."

RAF Tornados currently carry Brimstones in clusters of three warheads, allowing for a maximum payload of up to 18.

Spear 3s, however, will be clustered in packs of four, potentially allowing for 24 of them to be carried (in addition to other types of weapons).

As with the Brimstone, Spear 3s will be fire-and-forget, meaning they'll be self-guiding after launch, flying on turbojets and wing kits at high-subsonic speeds.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/173875/british-f_35s-to-be-armed-with-mbda%E2%80%99s-spear-3-missile.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/05/2016 | 13:19 uur
Danish parliament to decide on F-35 purchase

Danish parliament will decide next month if the country is to purchase 27 F-35 Lightning II fighter jets. The Lockheed Martin aircraft was announced to have won the bid for replacing Demark's ageing fighter jets this week.

The selection of the F-35 over the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet and Eurofighter Typhoon comes as no surprise, since Denmark already supports the F-35 program. One of its F-16s operates in support of the test program at Edwards Air Force Base in California. In a statement however, Lockheed Martin states it is pleased that Denmark has reaffirmed its commitment to the F-35 program 'in this fair and open competition'.

Financially, the F-35 is a hot debate and it will also be in parliament. Denmark struggles to maintain its defense and it is feared a F-35 purchase will put even more strain on other parts of the military. The country now operates 44 F-16s, which are up for deployment over Syria and Iraq soon.

http://airheadsfly.com/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/05/2016 | 15:24 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 16/05/2016 | 19:11 uur
Saab Unveils The First Gripen E

The event will be livestreamed on our website making it possible for people around the world to take part. Please visit www.gripen.com/evolution to learn more about the Gripen Evolution and to watch the unveiling of the Gripen E.

The live webcast will start on Wednesday 18 May at 15.00 CET. Registration for the webcast is not required.

Het is nu live te volgen. Mocht bovenstaande link niet werken, kies dan onderstaande.
https://saabevent.screen9.tv/media/u0iPj_oSVyWv8auSRizXQw/gripen-live-stream
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 18/05/2016 | 15:56 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 18/05/2016 | 15:24 uur
Het is nu live te volgen. Mocht bovenstaande link niet werken, kies dan onderstaande.
https://saabevent.screen9.tv/media/u0iPj_oSVyWv8auSRizXQw/gripen-live-stream

Andere link werkt inmiddels ook prima. Plan B was Periscope.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/05/2016 | 17:56 uur
PICTURES: Saab rolls out first Gripen E fighter

By Craig Hoyle | 18 May 2016

Saab has unveiled its next-generation Gripen E fighter, some three years before delivering its first of at least 96 production examples to the air forces of Sweden and Brazil.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=67137)
Craig Hoyle/Flightglobal

Rolled out at the Swedish manufacturer's Linköping site in Sweden on 18 May, aircraft 39-8 is the first of three test aircraft which will support the Gripen E programme. It will be handed over to the flight test department at the site "this summer", and is on track to make its debut flight before the end of this year, the company says. It will be used initially to verify the evolved design's general systems, airframe and aerodynamics. The additional two Swedish test assets are already in different stages of structural assembly.

One test aircraft will also be manufactured for Brazil, with this to undergo around one year of flight testing in Sweden before being transferred to a new facility at local partner Embraer's Gavião Peixoto site late this decade.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=67143)
Saab

Sweden has ordered 60 Gripen Es, while Brazil will acquire an initial batch of 36: 28 single-seat NG examples and eight twin-seat aircraft, including locally-assembled units.

Speaking at the roll-out, Brazilian air force commander Gen Brig Nivaldo Luiz Rossato described the development of the advanced combat aircraft as "a significant milestone in the history of both countries." He adds: "The Gripen NG will represent a major advance to face any threat to airspace sovereignty. These fighters will be the backbone of the Brazilian air force."

Powered by a GE Aviation F414 turbofan engine, the Gripen E will offer increased range, payload and endurance performance over the legacy Gripen C/D and also have updated avionics, electronic warfare systems and an active electronically scanned array radar.

"This is the only fighter programme on time and on budget," says Ulf Nilsson, Saab's head of aeronautics. Initial operational capability is planned to be achieved by the Swedish air force in 2021, with full capability to be declared two years later.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=67135)
Craig Hoyle/Flightglobal

The event also included an aerobatic display by a Gripen C (above), and a static appearance by one of the Swedish air force's fighters in the new MS20 operating standard. Now being fielded by the service's squadrons, this adds new capabilities including MBDA's Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile and Boeing GBU-38 small diameter bombs (below). Up to 16 of the latter can be carried using four smart weapons launchers.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=67136)
Craig Hoyle/Flightglobal

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-saab-rolls-out-first-gripen-e-fighter-425484/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/05/2016 | 16:17 uur
Meteor introduction transforms Swedish air defence

By Craig Hoyle, Stockholm | 19 May 2016

Sweden's air force has begun fielding the new MS20-standard software for its Saab Gripen C/D fleet, representing a significant increase in operational capability.

The process of introducing the standard began recently, with MS20 adding MBDA's Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile and Boeing's GBU-39 small diameter bomb to the single-engined fighter's suite of weapons. Other enhancements include enhanced Link 16 capability for situational awareness, a new data link added to enhance capability during close air support missions, expanded functionality for the pilot's helmet-mounted sight, an infrared reconnaissance pod and an automatic ground collision avoidance system.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=67160)
Saab

Speaking at Saab's Linköping site on 18 May, head of aeronautics Ulf Nilsson described the current model's enhancement as "a revolutionary update," adding: "It will be operational later this year with the Swedish air force." Aircraft assigned to the service's six fighter squadrons will progressively receive the software and hardware updates, which are likely to take around one week to embody per aircraft.

According to Swedish air force chief Maj Gen Mats Helgesson, the Meteor's addition is of particular significance. "From our perspective that's a game-changer," he says. "This is something that we have invested lots of money in, and makes the C/D a really potent air defender again."

Swedish aircraft have flown with the weapon, but it has not yet been carried during a quick reaction alert sortie, he confirms. The air force is seeing a similar requirement for such activity so far this year as in 2015, when around 330 missions were launched.

"We are the first air force operating the Meteor," Helgesson notes, with the long-range system also to be introduced on France's Dassault Rafales and Eurofighter Typhoons flown by Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK. "We are not completely ready with all the tactics, but it is fielded."
Up to 16 wingkit-equipped GBU-39 bombs can also be carried following the MS20 update, using four-round launchers for the 110kg (250lb) strike weapon.

Following its introduction with the Swedish air force, the new software standard will also be available for adoption by other Gripen C/D operators, which include the Czech Republic, Hungary, South Africa and Thailand. And despite the roll-out of the company's new-generation E-model jet, Saab's head of Gripen, Jerker Ahlqvist, says the development path for the current version "goes well into the next 10 years".

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/meteor-introduction-transforms-swedish-air-defence-425537/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 19/05/2016 | 16:49 uur
Van buiten zijn er niet veel duidelijke verschillen:

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 19/05/2016 | 16:50 uur
vormen die 60 E's straks de hele Zweedse jachtvloot, of blijven er ook een aantal C/D's operationeel?
anders zou dat weer een flinke reductie van de Zweedse luchtmacht zijn. (er zijn momenteel toch +-100 C/D's operationeel?)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Elzenga op 19/05/2016 | 17:19 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 19/05/2016 | 16:50 uur
vormen die 60 E's straks de hele Zweedse jachtvloot, of blijven er ook een aantal C/D's operationeel?
anders zou dat weer een flinke reductie van de Zweedse luchtmacht zijn. (er zijn momenteel toch +-100 C/D's operationeel?)
Dat aantal beoogde Zweedse E's is inmiddels gestegen naar 70. Het zou me niet verbazen als er daar nog meer bij komen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/05/2016 | 17:30 uur
Citaat van: Elzenga op 19/05/2016 | 17:19 uur
Dat aantal beoogde Zweedse E's is inmiddels gestegen naar 70. Het zou me niet verbazen als er daar nog meer bij komen.

Is voor deze intentie al getekend?

Ik kan me voorstellen dat uiteindelijk alle C/D's vervangen worden door E/F-jes.. tenzij Zweden het voorbeeld volgt van veel, met name west Europese landen, en denkt dat 60-70 exemplaren ook wel voldoende zullen zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 19/05/2016 | 17:58 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/05/2016 | 17:30 uur
Is voor deze intentie al getekend?

Ik kan me voorstellen dat uiteindelijk alle C/D's vervangen worden door E/F-jes.. tenzij Zweden het voorbeeld volgt van veel, met name west Europese landen, en denkt dat 60-70 exemplaren ook wel voldoende zullen zijn.
De intentie is er maar dat is nog niet vastgelegd geloof ik. Saab houdt er meen ik ook nog geen rekening mee?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/05/2016 | 18:35 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 19/05/2016 | 16:50 uur
vormen die 60 E's straks de hele Zweedse jachtvloot, of blijven er ook een aantal C/D's operationeel?
anders zou dat weer een flinke reductie van de Zweedse luchtmacht zijn. (er zijn momenteel toch +-100 C/D's operationeel?)

De Zweedse luchtmacht heeft op dit moment 74 Gripen C's en 24 Gripen D's.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 19/05/2016 | 18:57 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 19/05/2016 | 18:35 uur
De Zweedse luchtmacht heeft op dit moment 74 Gripen C's en 24 Gripen D's.
Als het 70 NG's zouden worden zou dat een flinke reductie zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Elzenga op 19/05/2016 | 21:51 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/05/2016 | 17:30 uur
Is voor deze intentie al getekend?

Ik kan me voorstellen dat uiteindelijk alle C/D's vervangen worden door E/F-jes.. tenzij Zweden het voorbeeld volgt van veel, met name west Europese landen, en denkt dat 60-70 exemplaren ook wel voldoende zullen zijn.
Ja, ik begrijp dat er voor 70 stuks is getekend. Men zou ook een 20+ oudere variant naar E niveau brengen maar daar heeft men vanaf gezien. Dat geeft mij..plus de nieuwste ontwikkelingen wat betreft de veiligheid van Zweden..het idee dat ze er uiteindelijk nog wel eens meer dan 70 zullen bestellen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/05/2016 | 22:49 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 19/05/2016 | 22:14 uur
Ze moeten wel het geld hebben. Vergeet niet dat de Zweedse economie slechts 65% is van de Nederlandse. Veel zal ook afhangen van verdere export orders. Als Finland en Zwitserland nog een order plaatsen zou het voor de Zweden zelf ook wel eens makkelijker kunnen worden.

Vergeet  niet dat de het Zweeds sociale stelsel op knappen staat... ze kunnen de asiel stroom (bijna) niet meer financieren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/05/2016 | 22:52 uur
Citaat van: Elzenga op 19/05/2016 | 21:51 uur
Ja, ik begrijp dat er voor 70 stuks is getekend. Men zou ook een 20+ oudere variant naar E niveau brengen maar daar heeft men vanaf gezien. Dat geeft mij..plus de nieuwste ontwikkelingen wat betreft de veiligheid van Zweden..het idee dat ze er uiteindelijk nog wel eens meer dan 70 zullen bestellen.

In alle perspublicaties is (nog steeds) sprake van een verkoop doelstelling van enkele honderden Gripen E/F's en van 60 (Zweden) + 36 (Brazilië) getekende orders.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 19/05/2016 | 23:40 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/05/2016 | 22:52 uur
In alle perspublicaties is (nog steeds) sprake van een verkoop doelstelling van enkele honderden Gripen E/F's en van 60 (Zweden) + 36 (Brazilië) getekende orders.
Tijdens de rollout van de E had Saab het ook gewoon over 60 + 36, als er voor 70 getekend was hadden ze dat wel luid en duidelijk bekend gemaakt. Bij mijn weten is er de intentie bij FMV om er 10 (of meer) extra te bestellen, maar is er nog géén daadwerkelijke order.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/05/2016 | 08:44 uur
Boeing says "incomplete and possibly flawed data" was used in Danish fighter evaluation

A Boeing official told a Danish parliamentary committee on May 19 that the Danish government had used "incomplete and possibly flawed data" to conclude that the Super Hornet was more expensive to operate than the F-35.

Boeing still hopes Denmark will buy its Super Hornet jets

COPENHAGEN • Boeing has challenged the Danish government's recommendation to buy 27 fighter jets from Lockheed Martin, questioning data used to suggest its St. Louis-made Super Hornet fighter jet was more expensive than the F-35.

Boeing told a Danish parliamentary committee on Thursday that the recommendation was based on "incomplete and possibly flawed data."

The Danish minority government announced last week its recommendation to buy Lockheed Martin's F-35 fighter jet rather than Boeing's older F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.

"We have asked the Danish Ministry of Defense to reassess its evaluation of the cost. We think their report has made the cost of the Super Hornet 50 to 100 percent more expensive than in reality," said Boeing vice president Debbie Rub.

The ministry report evaluating each fighter jet candidate was based on data estimating that the Super Hornet would have a service life of 6,000 flying hours, while Boeing thinks the right figure for Denmark is 9,500 hours.

The report also compared a one-seater fighter jet F35 to a two-seater rather than a one-seater Super Hornet, Rub told Reuters.

Danish defense minister Peter Christensen told Danish broadcaster TV2 that Boeing's critique would not change the government's recommendation to buy Lockheed Martin's F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

The report concluded that the total cost of the F-35 jet is 42.2 billion Danish crowns ($6.4 billion while the Super Hornet would cost $9.1 billion.60.6 billion crowns.

"We were much surprised and puzzled that our aircraft should be more expensive. Of course we hope that the Danish parliament in the end will pick our aircraft," Rub said.

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/article_9949ebb7-96a4-5ea4-a64a-0a348c4af419.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/05/2016 | 09:29 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 19/05/2016 | 19:02 uur
Maar dat is inclusief de uitgeleasde toestellen toch?
Op hun eigen website vermelden ze 3 squadrons, waarvan er bij 1 staat dat deze rond de 20 toestellen heeft, de andere twee vermelden geen aantallen.
Dit aantal van 98 stuks is exclusief de geleasde toestellen. Bron is Flightglobal World Air Forces 2016.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/05/2016 | 12:12 uur
Italië heeft weer een primeur. Als eerste met twee F-35A's de Atlantische oceaan oversteken.

F-35: second flight from Cameri to the USA

Italian Ministry of Defence | 18 May 2016

Two Italian Air Force F35A Lightning II have taken off today from Cameri Air Base. After a stop-over in Lajes (Azores) they will land at Luke AFB, Arizona

The Italian aircraft – entirely assembled at Cameri  FACO (Final Assembly & Check-Out) facility– are flying in formation with two tankers (to ensure air-to-air refuelling during the flight). They will land at Luke AFB, Arizona, where the international pilot school dedicated to the new assets is already operational.

Last February an Italian F35 – code name AL-1- was the first F35 to cross the Atlantic. All three aircraft will be part of the international air fleet deployed at Luke's multinational F-35 pilot training centre. 

Luke AFB is the only pilot training centre for all the countries that have joined the JSF programme.

The two Italian pilots will join their colleagues who are already stationed at the US Air Force base.

http://www.difesa.it/EN/Primo_Piano/Pagine/Luk.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/05/2016 | 14:05 uur
U.K. Planning Four Front-Line F-35 Squadrons

Tony Osborne | Aerospace Daily & Defense Report | May 19, 2016

LONDON—The U.K. is planning to build a future force of four front-line F-35 squadrons, now that the country has committed to a fleet of 138 aircraft.

The U.K. will build a front-line fleet of 48 aircraft, 12 per squadron. A fifth unit, also with 12 aircraft, will be formed as an operational conversion unit (OCU), Air Cmdr. Harvey Smyth, the commander of the U.K.'s Lightning Force, told reporters on the sidelines of an F-35 training conference here May 19.

An additional three aircraft will serve with 17 Sqn, an operational test and evaluation unit which will be based at Edwards AFB, California. This means the U.K. will have an operational fleet of around 63 aircraft, less than half of the total number of F-35s that the U.K. has agreed to purchase under last year's Strategic Defense and Security Review. But Smyth pointed out that the total number would cover attrition replacements and the so-called sustainment fleet, which is defined as additional aircraft required to sustain the fleet to its out-of-service date as well as to cover maintenance. Other U.K. combat aircraft also have large sustainment fleets.

The U.K. is in the process of establishing its first front-line unit, 617 Sqn., which will be stood up at MCAS Beaufort, South Carolina in January 2018. The squadron will move to the U.K. that summer and achieve an interim operating capability on land by that year's end.

"Once the squadron is formed up, they have six months to get things squared away before starting a transition back to the U.K. starting in June of 2018," Smyth told delegates.

Smyth said the U.K. does not plan to disperse its F-35s to other bases. All F-35 operations will be concentrated at RAF Marham, Norfolk, currently the U.K.'s main Panavia Tornado operating base. Over the coming years Marham's infrastructure will undergo an about £500 million renovation. It will include the construction of an integrated training center and maintenance facilities, as well as improvements to runways, taxiways and the construction of three hover pads.

U.K. operations will be conducted from hardened aircraft shelters (HAS), each of which can house two aircraft. Two HAS sites at Marham with multiple shelters will eventually each house two squadrons.

The OCU unit, which has not been given a squadron number, will begin training in the U.K. in the third quarter of 2019. The second front-line squadron, 809 Naval Air Squadron, will not form until April 2023.

The F-35s will form the backbone of the U.K.'s carrier strike capability, using the two new Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers. So the Lightning Force will also have to begin preparing to go to sea. First sea trials with F-35s operating from the ship are planned for late 2018 off the U.S. East Coast. A maritime initial operating capability at sea is expected in late 2020.

Smyth told delegates the Lightning Force would face some challenges training in U.K. airspace. The U.K.'s increasingly crowded skies means that performing large-scale exercises with multiple flights would likely have to be done overseas or in a synthetic environment.

Overseas options include the Red Flag exercises in Nevada or Alaska or Maple Flag at Cold Lake in Canada. Australia is also considering conducting exercises in its extensive Woomera ranges, where the U.K. tested its Taranis unmanned combat air vehicle demonstrator.

"In the good old days ... we could put 40-50-60 aircraft into Scotland and run a pretty good joined up exercise and everyone would have their own piece of airspace and we'd get lots of good training out of it," Smyth told delegates.

"I can pretty much take up that airspace with an F-35 four-ship, so when we start talking about putting multiple four-ships out of Marham or Lakenheath, the U.K. simply isn't big enough. If the U.K. itself was a range, we would struggle," Smyth said.

Training was also handicapped by the possibility of adversaries listening to electronic emissions.

"Our Typhoon force is already strongly handcuffed" because of "collectors sitting in the North Sea. We are keen not to give away our crown jewels," Smyth added.

http://aviationweek.com/defense/uk-planning-four-front-line-f-35-squadrons
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/05/2016 | 11:44 uur
Final F-35 Testing Slips To 2018 
(... ca. 6 maanden uitstel van IOT&E, eerst was start in 2017, wordt nu 2018 .. verschuiving heeft te maken met de problemen en het oplossen ervan in de software 3i, welke weer moet leiden naar de definitieve 3F welke gebruikt moet worden in de IOT&E en de aanpassingen in de F-35 toestellen )

The military's top weapons tester has been warning for months that the F-35 will not be ready for its final major test phase until 2018 at the earliest. Today, the Pentagon officially acknowledged the schedule slip.

"We reviewed the status of operational test planning, and there is consensus that that is likely to occur in calendar year 2018 given the realities of the schedule at this time," said Frank Kendall, the Pentagon's top acquisition official, during a Tuesday conference call. "The target was the middle of 2017, but it's clear we're not going to make that."

This slip reflects a six-month delay for initial operational test and evaluation, or IOT&E, the last major period of testing before full-rate production.

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Voor het gehele artikel, zie onderstaande LINK
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2016/05/24/final-f-35-testing-slips-2018/84885820/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 25/05/2016 | 13:38 uur
Dat zat er al een tijdje aan te komen...werd in het rapport over 2015 al voor gewaarschuwd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/05/2016 | 13:42 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 25/05/2016 | 13:38 uur
Dat zat er al een tijdje aan te komen...werd in het rapport over 2015 al voor gewaarschuwd.

Als het in 2019 is opgelost heb ik er geen moeite mee.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 25/05/2016 | 14:10 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/05/2016 | 13:42 uur
Als het in 2019 is opgelost heb ik er geen moeite mee.
Niet raar opkijken als het tot 2020+ door loopt. Men is bezig nu fouten in 2B 3i, én 3f op te lossen, terwijl 3f op de eerste twee gebaseerd is, het is eigenlijk gaten met gaten vullen. In plaats van dat ze nu eens zorgen dat in ieder geval 2B of 3i opgeschoond wordt blijven ze ondertussen aan 3F sleutelen om de milestones te halen.... met tot gevolg een corrupt softwarepakket vol fouten uit 2B en 3i.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/05/2016 | 18:31 uur
USAF warms to F-22 Raptor revival proposal

By James Drew, Washington DC | 26 May 2016

At a time when budget constraints are driving the US Air Force to divest fighter and attack aircraft faster than they can be replaced with the Lockheed Martin F-35, outgoing chief of staff Gen Mark Welsh says it would not be a "wild idea" to resume production of an improved version of the F-22 Raptor air superiority jet.

The Pentagon's latest aviation inventory and funding plan says the flying branch has "insufficient resources" to maintain the 1,900 warplane level mandated by Congress beyond the current five-year budget blueprint that extends to fiscal year 2021.

The number of combat-coded fighter jets and their associated squadrons "will substantially drop" between 2022 and 2026 before hitting its lowest level in 2031 as the Fairchild Republic A-10 "Warthog" and other long-serving fighters are retired to the boneyard.

Asked about solutions to reverse this trend at an Air Force Association forum in Washington DC on 26 May, the general who flew the F-16 and A-10 says money is the main issue. America, he says, needs to decide if it wants to continue to be a globally deployed superpower in the next 20, 30 or 50 years and then fund its military accordingly.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=66520)
US Air Force

The air force currently spends most of its aircraft procurement dollars on the F-35A multi-role fighter, Boeing KC-46A tanker and Lockheed C-130J tactical transport, but Lightning II production rates have been truncated at 48 aircraft per year through this decade, only rising to 60 copies per year in 2021 from Fort Worth, Texas. The service has no plans to buy more fourth-generation Lockheed F-16s or Boeing F-15s, and has slowed its pursuit of a sixth-generation type as it considers the best way to proceed in a tight budget environment.

One answer could be to resume Raptor production, with just 195 of those supermanoeuvrable combat planes delivered by the Lockheed, Boeing and General Dynamics F-22 industry team from Marietta, Georgia through 2012. It is powered by the Pratt & Whitney F119.

The programme was terminated by then defence secretary Robert Gates in a move described by the current head of US Air Combat Command as perhaps the "biggest mistake ever". Until recently, Welsh and the secretary of the air force Deborah Lee James have been saying that reviving the F-22 line would be "cost-prohibitive" and a "non-starter". Now, the air force appears to be changing its tune.

"I don't think it's a wild idea," says Welsh, who notes that the air force is already working with Lockheed to figure the exact cost and the "pros and cons" of such a scheme. "I think it's proven that the airplane is exactly what everybody hoped it would be.

"We're using it in new and different ways. It's been spectacularly successful and its potential is really, really remarkable," he continues.

Congress is considering a provision in its fiscal year 2017 defence policy bill that would require the air force to provide a cost breakdown and even consider foreign involvement in the project by 1 January 2017, but Welsh expects an answer about the cost much sooner.

"It's not a crazy idea," he says. "I think you've heard the secretary in the past say, and the air force say, that we think it's cost-prohibitive. We're going back right now and looking in detail at the number."

The F-22 was conceived in the 1980s as an advanced F-15 replacement and it first flew in 1997. The aircraft was beset by technical difficulties and costs quickly escalated as the Pentagon's F-22 requirement dropped from 749 to 381 and finally 187 production units.

The programme was terminated in favour of other investments, such as delivering the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, which the service will declare ready for combat later this year.

Asked on 24 May if investment in costly stealthy technology, which is inherent in pricey aircraft like the Northrop Grumman B-2 and Lockheed F-22 and F-35, is causing structural budget problems and forcing fighter numbers down, US Defense Department acquisition czar Frank Kendall said it was more of topline budget issue, caused by sequestration and the Budget Control Act of 2011.

"Unless something is done about the budget situation, it's going to be very, very difficult for us to support [the American military strategy]. What we're buying with the F-35, on a dollar-for-dollar basis, is the most combat power we can get for our dollar," Kendall contends.

"It's not just about the numbers, it's about the capability. From the stories we've heard here from the operators about the effectiveness of the F-35 against fourth-generation aircraft were extremely impressive. Having a less expensive and less capable aircraft is not the answer to our problems.

Lockheed Skunk Works, which is leading the world's largest defence contractor's F-X efforts, has proposed upgrades to existing types like the F-22 and F-35 as the best way to achieve air superiority in the 2030s. Other combat aircraft manufacturers like Northrop Grumman and Boeing would probably prefer a competition to introduce a next-generation warplane.

Welsh suggests that an improved F-22 might be preferable and more affordable than some type of sixth-generation fighter.

"Rather than thinking of a sixth-generation fighter, can you modify the F-22 and re-open the line cheaper and keep the numbers up?" he says. "I don't know. We're working on that right now. We've got to open the spectrum a little wider about how we're going to get the job done 20 years from now."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-warms-to-f-22-raptor-revival-proposal-425794/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 26/05/2016 | 18:40 uur
Als de Amerikanen de F-22 lijn niet heropenen is er grote kans dat hun luchtmacht haar eerste plaats in de wereldranglijst zal moeten afstaan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/05/2016 | 19:50 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 26/05/2016 | 18:40 uur
Als de Amerikanen de F-22 lijn niet heropenen is er grote kans dat hun luchtmacht haar eerste plaats in de wereldranglijst zal moeten afstaan.

Gemakkelijker gezegd dan gedaan. F22A met zware modificaties tot F22C?, dan zijn we vermoedelijk diep in de jaren twintig beland, dit terwijl de 3 grote spelers allen op een volgende generatie kist aan het broeden zijn.

Voor LM is het wellicht een attractieve gedachte, Boeing en Northrop Grumman denken hier vermoedelijk anders over,

Mocht men toch serieus overwegen om de F22 nieuw leven in te blazen dan zou ik een voorkeur willen uitspreken voor de F-23 Black Widow,  hiervan  liggen de blauwdrukken immers ook in de kluis.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 26/05/2016 | 20:21 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/05/2016 | 19:50 uur
Gemakkelijker gezegd dan gedaan. F22A met zware modificaties tot F22C?, dan zijn we vermoedelijk diep in de jaren twintig beland, dit terwijl de 3 grote spelers allen op een volgende generatie kist aan het broeden zijn.

Voor LM is het wellicht een attractieve gedachte, Boeing en Northrop Grumman denken hier vermoedelijk anders over,

Mocht men toch serieus overwegen om de F22 nieuw leven in te blazen dan zou ik een voorkeur willen uitspreken voor de F-23 Black Widow,  hiervan  liggen de blauwdrukken immers ook in de kluis.

Waarom?
De F22 is veel verder ontwikkeld dan de YF23.
Die nieuwe batch zou er best kunnen komen. En ondanks alle moeite best eens makkelijker kunnen zijn dan helemaal opnieuw beginnen. Al is at niet altijd het geval.

De andere projecten lopen ook echt zo'n vaart niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/05/2016 | 20:25 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 26/05/2016 | 20:21 uur
Waarom?
De F22 is veel verder ontwikkeld dan de YF23.
Die nieuwe batch zou er best kunnen komen. En ondanks alle moeite best eens makkelijker kunnen zijn dan helemaal opnieuw beginnen. Al is at niet altijd het geval.

De andere projecten lopen ook echt zo'n vaart niet.

Zou vast en zeker kunnen, ik zou het ook meer dan prima vinden. Het verhaal van de keuze tussen YF22 en YF23 is dat de laatste in vrijwel alle opzichten de beter kist was maar de USAF destijds voornamelijk om esthetische redenen voor de F22 heeft gekozen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Elzenga op 26/05/2016 | 20:46 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 26/05/2016 | 20:21 uur
Waarom?
De F22 is veel verder ontwikkeld dan de YF23.
Die nieuwe batch zou er best kunnen komen. En ondanks alle moeite best eens makkelijker kunnen zijn dan helemaal opnieuw beginnen. Al is at niet altijd het geval.

De andere projecten lopen ook echt zo'n vaart niet.
Als het Pentagon dat zelf al niet doet lijkt het aannemelijk dat de politiek het afdwingt. Zeker nu de F35 meer en meer een jachtbommenwerper blijkt te zijn..lijkt het me voor de Amerikanen niet verkeerd om de balans met de luchtverdedigingsjagers iets meer in evenwicht te brengen. Het is denk ik geen moetje...maar strategisch denk ik wel een sterke zet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/05/2016 | 20:51 uur
Citaat van: Elzenga op 26/05/2016 | 20:46 uur
Als het Pentagon dat zelf al niet doet lijkt het aannemelijk dat de politiek het afdwingt. Zeker nu de F35 meer en meer een jachtbommenwerper blijkt te zijn..lijkt het me voor de Amerikanen niet verkeerd om de balans met de luchtverdedigingsjagers iets meer in evenwicht te brengen. Het is denk ik geen moetje...maar strategisch denk ik wel een sterke zet.

Nou ja. Ik denk dat dat jachtbommenwerper een imago zaak is die niet voortkomt uit de kwaliteiten van de F-35. Maar door het opgelegde imago door invloed van afnemers .
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/05/2016 | 20:56 uur
Citaat van: Elzenga op 26/05/2016 | 20:46 uur
Als het Pentagon dat zelf al niet doet lijkt het aannemelijk dat de politiek het afdwingt. Zeker nu de F35 meer en meer een jachtbommenwerper blijkt te zijn..lijkt het me voor de Amerikanen niet verkeerd om de balans met de luchtverdedigingsjagers iets meer in evenwicht te brengen. Het is denk ik geen moetje...maar strategisch denk ik wel een sterke zet.

Aangezien de VS in rap tempo het luchtoverwicht dreigt te verliezen in het volgende decennium zou een F22C of een snelle ontwikkeling van de F/X en/of FA/XX meer dan (strategisch) noodzakelijk zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Elzenga op 26/05/2016 | 21:26 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/05/2016 | 20:56 uur
Aangezien de VS in rap tempo het luchtoverwicht dreigt te verliezen in het volgende decennium zou een F22C of een snelle ontwikkeling van de F/X en/of FA/XX meer dan (strategisch) noodzakelijk zijn.
Ik weet niet of die volgende generatie er snel(ler) zal komen. De Amerikanen zien volgens mij dat de Russen en Chinezen moeite hebben met het ontwikkelen van een echte 5e generatie jager...zeker op het gebied van motoren en sensoren/systemen. En zelfs een rijk land als Japan aarzelt er eentje zelf te ontwikkelen en produceren gezien de hoge kosten en technologische haken en ogen. Veel landen eerder inzetten op extra invoering van 4+ generatie toestellen of verbetering daarvan met nieuwe electronica en bewapening. Ook dat versterkt denk ik de kansen van het heropenen van de F-22 productie. Een toestel dat zijn tijd dus ver vooruit was en is (ook qua de kosten trouwens). Met misschien wel ook een marine-versie om de specifieke vraag van de Amerikaanse Marine naar een luchtoverwichtsjager te beantwoorden. Ook de hele ontwikkeling van grote drones/UCAVs heeft hier denk ik invloed op. Mogelijk dat daardoor de ontwikkeling maar vooral de productie van een 6e generatie toestel nog wel wat decennia op zich zal laten wachten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/05/2016 | 21:32 uur
Citaat van: Elzenga op 26/05/2016 | 21:26 uur
Ik weet niet of die volgende generatie er snel(ler) zal komen. De Amerikanen zien volgens mij dat de Russen en Chinezen moeite hebben met het ontwikkelen van een echte 5e generatie jager...zeker op het gebied van motoren en sensoren/systemen. En zelfs een rijk land als Japan aarzelt er eentje zelf te ontwikkelen en produceren gezien de hoge kosten en technologische haken en ogen. Veel landen eerder inzetten op extra invoering van 4+ generatie toestellen of verbetering daarvan met nieuwe electronica en bewapening. Ook dat versterkt denk ik de kansen van het heropenen van de F-22 productie. Een toestel dat zijn tijd dus ver vooruit was en is (ook qua de kosten trouwens). Met misschien wel ook een marine-versie om de specifieke vraag van de Amerikaanse Marine naar een luchtoverwichtsjager te beantwoorden. Ook de hele ontwikkeling van grote drones/UCAVs heeft hier denk ik invloed op. Mogelijk dat daardoor de ontwikkeling maar vooral de productie van een 6e generatie toestel nog wel wat jaren op zich zal laten wachten.

Zeker zou allemaal kunnen al denk ik dat het in het van groot strategisch belang voor de VS is om te blijven innoveren en te voorkomen dat een monopolist (uiteindelijk) op de rem trapt,

Afwachten welke keuzes men gaat maken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 26/05/2016 | 21:40 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/05/2016 | 19:50 uur
Gemakkelijker gezegd dan gedaan. F22A met zware modificaties tot F22C?, dan zijn we vermoedelijk diep in de jaren twintig beland, dit terwijl de 3 grote spelers allen op een volgende generatie kist aan het broeden zijn.

Voor LM is het wellicht een attractieve gedachte, Boeing en Northrop Grumman denken hier vermoedelijk anders over,

Mocht men toch serieus overwegen om de F22 nieuw leven in te blazen dan zou ik een voorkeur willen uitspreken voor de F-23 Black Widow,  hiervan  liggen de blauwdrukken immers ook in de kluis.

Ik ga ervan uit dat LM bij een gemodifceerde F22, techniek kan gebruiken van de F35 denk bijvoorbeeld aan de radar. Ik sluit bijvoorbeeld ook niet dat er een bommenwerper versie van de F22 komt als voorbeeld neem ik de Strike Eagle en de Bomcat.

De YF23  Black Widow was een ontwerp Northop Gruman is deze ten opzichte van de F22A al niet zwaar verouderd want de YF22 en de F22 zijn toch niet dezelfde toestelen, je vergelijkt dan toch appels met peren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 26/05/2016 | 21:43 uur
Swedish air force considers trainer options

Sweden's air force commander hopes to advance a competition to replace the service's Saab 105 (Sk 60) jet trainers from late this decade, while it also works to extend the life of its veteran air transport fleet.

"We are planning for replacing our trainers," says Maj Gen Mats Helgesson; a former Saab Viggen and Gripen pilot who took command of the Swedish air force in October. "The Sk 60 has 50 years of service and is a really good aircraft, but we will pretty soon need to replace them." Sweden operates around 50 of the jet-powered type.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=54757)

Speaking to journalists in Stockholm on 17 May, Helgesson said Sweden has decided to retain a basic pilot training capability in-country. It had expressed interest in participating in a proposed multinational Eurotraining project that failed to materialise.

Sweden has received responses to an initial request for information issued last year and linked to the planned trainer procurement. "We are digesting the information, and we will go back to the FMV [defence procurement agency] to more clearly state our needs. Then the FMV will go out for another check," he says, declining to identify potential candidates.

Helgesson says challenges include deciding how to prepare pilots to operate the service's future fleet of Gripen E fighters, as it will not acquire any two-seat trainer examples of the type. Deliveries of the new-generation combat aircraft will start in 2019.

Asked whether the air force could wait for the outcome of the US Air Force's T-X trainer contest – for which Saab is a development partner with Boeing – Helgesson says: "We have quite a lot of different options. We could try to extend the Sk 60 for a couple more years, look to have a turboprop aircraft as a replacement or do some sort of combination with the Gripens." No decision is expected this year but he says the service retains an option to try to field a new capability by 2020.

Meanwhile, the air force's fleet of eight aged Lockheed Martin C-130H tactical transports – including a tanker – are being put through a service life-extension programme which is expected to conclude by 2021. This will enable the service to continue operating the aircraft until 2030, Helgesson says. Flightglobal's Fleets Analyzer database records the Swedish airframes as being between 35 and 51 years old, with six in operational use.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/swedish-air-force-considers-trainer-options-425748/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/05/2016 | 21:54 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 26/05/2016 | 21:40 uur
Ik ga ervan uit dat LM bij een gemodifceerde F22, techniek kan gebruiken van de F35 denk bijvoorbeeld aan de radar. Ik sluit bijvoorbeeld ook niet dat er een bommenwerper versie van de F22 komt als voorbeeld neem ik de Strike Eagle en de Bomcat.

De YF23  Black Widow was een ontwerp Northop Gruman is deze ten opzichte van de F22A al niet zwaar verouderd want de YF22 en de F22 zijn toch niet dezelfde toestelen, je vergelijkt dan toch appels met peren.

Als men de F22 weer in de stijgers zet dan wordt ongetwijfeld techniek van de F35 geleend, techniek die tegen die tijd wel volwassen is. Een F22B heeft al eens op de tekentafel gelegen net als een maritieme variant.

De YF23 was/is natuurlijk een totaal ander toestel (uit dezelfde competitie) .. maar voor beiden geldt: ze zullen opnieuw gebouwd moeten worden met de techniek van anno nu.

YF-22 YF-23 comparison
http://yf-23.net/comparison.html

America's F-23 Stealth Fighter vs. the Lethal F-22 Raptor: Who Wins?
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/americas-f-23-stealth-fighter-vs-the-lethal-f-22-raptor-who-14461

This Is What Regret Looks Like To The US Air Force
http://www.businessinsider.com/united-states-air-force-yf-23-plane-lost-to-f-22-2013-1?IR=T

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/05/2016 | 08:22 uur
South Korea selects GE as KFX engine provider (.. Zuid Korea gaat wel door met hun ontwikkeling van hun NG-fighter )
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South Korea has selected General Electric (GE) to provide the powerplant for its developmental KFX fifth-generation fighter aircraft, national media reported on 26 May.

The US company has been chosen over its European rival Eurojet to provide engines for 120 of the twin-jet aircraft in a deal valued at KRW18 trillion (USD15.3 billion), according to the Yanhop News Agency.

GE's bid was centred around its F414 turbofan, which powers the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, while Eurojet was pushing its EJ200, which powers the Eurofighter Typhoon. IHS Jane's previously reported that the winning engine would be decided on performance, price, and proposed defence offset packages including technology transfer deals. At least half of the engine's components are expected to be manufactured in South Korea.

Under the terms of the deal, Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) will assume the role of the prime contractor as the overall lead for the KFX programme, although it is likely to subcontract to other South Korean companies that specialise in aviation powerplants, such as Hanwha Techwin, Korean Air Aerospace Division, Korea Lost-Wax, Nexcoms, Neuros, and Yulkok. According to the Yanhop News Agency report, GE is expected to receive a contract in June.

The Korean Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) recently selected Hanwha Thales as the preferred bidder for the aircraft's radar system. The powerplant selection is a major milestone in the administration's bid to begin building KFX fighters by the end of the 2020s.

http://www.janes.com/article/60743/south-korea-selects-ge-as-kfx-engine-provider
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/05/2016 | 09:28 uur
India aims to conclude Rafale deal by June

Rahul Bedi, New Delhi - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly | 27 May 2016

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India aims to conclude the deal for 36 French Dassault Rafale fighters by the end of June, according to Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar. Source: Sagem

India aims to conclude a deal with France for 36 Dassault Rafale fighters for the Indian Air Force (IAF) by the end of June, 14 months after the purchase was announced, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said in New Delhi on 26 May.


"There is no reason why it [the Rafale deal] should not be concluded in June. It is in the last phase," Parrikar told the Press Trust of India news agency. "They [the negotiating team] have to submit a report to me on what has been discussed. After that we have to discuss it in the Cabinet. We will first sign an inter-government agreement [IGA]. All these things take three to four weeks."

The IGA will address all outstanding issues of price, bank guarantees, and related aspects, said the minister.

In a series of interviews with Indian media outlets Parrikar declined to name a price for the deal, which he said depended on the IAF's specific requirements and the performance-based maintenance contract it was seeking for the fighters.

The armaments package for the Rafales, however, would come at an additional cost, the minister hinted.

Parrikar admitted that the toughest part of the negotiations, which began in July 2015, was to persuade France to discharge 50% of the overall contract price as offsets into India's defence, internal security, civil aviation, and related services sectors.

Initially the French were willing to defray only 30% in offsets, he said, but eventually agreed to increase this to 50% following a telephone conversation between Indian prime minister Narendra Modi and French president François Hollande in late 2015.

Modi announced India's decision to purchase 36 Rafales in a flyaway condition in April 2015, scrapping the ongoing negotiations for 126 Rafales, 18 of which were to have been imported directly and 108 licence-built locally.

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http://www.janes.com/article/60779/india-aims-to-conclude-rafale-deal-by-june
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 28/05/2016 | 10:50 uur
Citaat van: Elzenga op 26/05/2016 | 20:46 uur
Als het Pentagon dat zelf al niet doet lijkt het aannemelijk dat de politiek het afdwingt. Zeker nu de F35 meer en meer een jachtbommenwerper blijkt te zijn..lijkt het me voor de Amerikanen niet verkeerd om de balans met de luchtverdedigingsjagers iets meer in evenwicht te brengen. Het is denk ik geen moetje...maar strategisch denk ik wel een sterke zet.
Citaat: "If I do not keep that F-22 fleet viable, the F-35 fleet frankly will be irrelevant. The F-35 is not built as an air superiority platform. It needs the F-22."

Aldus begin 2014, de bevelhebber van Air Combat Command generaal Mike Hostage.

Begin deze eeuw voorzag de Noorse luchtmacht nog een toekomstige vloot van 24 F-35A's en 24 Typhoons.   Deze gemengde vloot zou over een periode van 20 jaar USD 55 miljoen aan totale exploitatie kosten duurder zijn dan een 1 size fits all.    Maar zou ook een ideale afdekking geven van de lucht-lucht en lucht-grond taken. 
Want bij de Noorse luchtmacht waren er velen die sceptisch waren over de werkelijke prestaties van de F-35A.    Die inmiddels verdacht veel lijken op die van de ... F-5E Tiger en F-4 Phantom.
Daarnaast zou de Typhoon veel eerder beschikbaar komen en zodoende al de oudste F-16A/B's vanaf oorspronkelijk 2007 kunnen gaan vervangen.
Een herstart van de F-22A Raptor productie kost natuurlijk enkele jaren, maar dan kunnen tenminste uitgewoonde F-15's en F-16's al vervangen worden.
Een combat capable F-35A is op zijn vroegst pas beschikbaar in 2021, maar waarschijnlijk wordt dat medio de twenties of zelfs nooit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 28/05/2016 | 11:02 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 25/05/2016 | 14:10 uur
Niet raar opkijken als het tot 2020+ door loopt. Men is bezig nu fouten in 2B 3i, én 3f op te lossen, terwijl 3f op de eerste twee gebaseerd is, het is eigenlijk gaten met gaten vullen. In plaats van dat ze nu eens zorgen dat in ieder geval 2B of 3i opgeschoond wordt blijven ze ondertussen aan 3F sleutelen om de milestones te halen.... met tot gevolg een corrupt softwarepakket vol fouten uit 2B en 3i.
In andere woorden: de F-35 software problemen worden juist groter in plaats van kleiner !

Israel voert F-35A's in met Amerikaanse export hardware en software met daar boven op hun specifieke uitrusting software. 
Echter, de IDF gaat op middellange termijn deze avionica en haar software vervangen door eigen fabrikaat.
Zij beschouwen de huidige F-35 software als een overambitieuze Pie in the Sky (luchtkasteel).   Hun eigen F-35A software is een evolutionaire ontwikkeling op het gene wat nu in de F-15I Ra'am en F-16I Sufa zit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/05/2016 | 11:04 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 28/05/2016 | 10:50 uur

Begin deze eeuw voorzag de Noorse luchtmacht nog een toekomstige vloot van 24 F-35A's en 24 Typhoons.   Deze gemengde vloot zou over een periode van 20 jaar USD 55 miljoen aan totale exploitatie kosten duurder zijn dan een 1 size fits all.    Maar zou ook een ideale afdekking geven van de lucht-lucht en lucht-grond taken. 

Bovenstaande zou wat mij betreft een ideaalbeeld zijn geweest voor de KLu, die 55 mjd USD over 20 jaar (2.75 mjn per jaar zou ik klakkeloos geaccepteerd hebben.

Helaas!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 28/05/2016 | 11:46 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/05/2016 | 11:04 uur
Bovenstaande zou wat mij betreft een ideaalbeeld zijn geweest voor de KLu, die 55 mjd USD over 20 jaar (2.75 mjn per jaar zou ik klakkeloos geaccepteerd hebben.

Helaas!
+1
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 28/05/2016 | 18:05 uur
Welke software men nu waar en hoe aan het updaten is en in welke volgorde en wat conflicteert in de broncode met wat lijkt me niet op straat liggen. Kan daarom ook niet zeggen dat ik zomaar geloof dat men op dit forum daarom wel even eeet de f-35 te beoordelen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 28/05/2016 | 19:06 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 28/05/2016 | 18:05 uur
Welke software men nu waar en hoe aan het updaten is en in welke volgorde en wat conflicteert in de broncode met wat lijkt me niet op straat liggen. Kan daarom ook niet zeggen dat ik zomaar geloof dat men op dit forum daarom wel even eeet de f-35 te beoordelen.

Staat gewoon in het rapport van DoD over FY2015. Natuurlijk niet allemaal tot in detail beschreven, maar geeft wel een overview van hoe het er voor staat: (flinke PDF)

https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwjs5JT8n_3MAhWkBsAKHdr_CvoQFggeMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.gov.au%2FDocumentStore.ashx%3Fid%3D7dc1ba4b-4efb-4354-b25f-d26a1d25dfd5&usg=AFQjCNE1wSVqjcMdWEzxB2j1Kj_G84kkMg&sig2=_mtgm7jSGTqZ3adu-GVUNA&bvm=bv.123325700,d.ZGg&cad=rja



Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 28/05/2016 | 19:43 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 28/05/2016 | 19:06 uur
Staat gewoon in het rapport van DoD over FY2015. Natuurlijk niet allemaal tot in detail beschreven, maar geeft wel een overview van hoe het er voor staat: (flinke PDF)

https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwjs5JT8n_3MAhWkBsAKHdr_CvoQFggeMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.gov.au%2FDocumentStore.ashx%3Fid%3D7dc1ba4b-4efb-4354-b25f-d26a1d25dfd5&usg=AFQjCNE1wSVqjcMdWEzxB2j1Kj_G84kkMg&sig2=_mtgm7jSGTqZ3adu-GVUNA&bvm=bv.123325700,d.ZGg&cad=rja

Uiteraard. Maar wij weten dat allemaal nietbop waarde te schatten. "Wij" hebben nog nooit een vliegtuig gebouwd.  Wie weet hoort dit gewoon allemaal bij deze generatie. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 28/05/2016 | 20:08 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 28/05/2016 | 19:43 uur
Uiteraard. Maar wij weten dat allemaal nietbop waarde te schatten. "Wij" hebben nog nooit een vliegtuig gebouwd.  Wie weet hoort dit gewoon allemaal bij deze generatie.

Daar heb je gelijk in, maar dan kan ik er als aanstaand ingenieur wel een mening over hebben toch. Wat betreft projectmanagement verdient de JSF absoluut geen schoonheidsprijs, door met name omvang van het project en fouten die in het verleden gemaakt zijn. De manier waarop men het aanpakt (nog steeds in LRIP fase, haasten voor IOC met een immature systeem, want dat is het gewoon), is naar mijn mening vragen om problemen en vertragingen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 30/05/2016 | 10:23 uur
Danish Committee Scrutinizes F-35 Plan Costs

The Danish parliament's Committee of Defense (CoD) has raised fresh concerns over the minority conservative-liberal government's selection of the F-35A Lightning II as the Air Force's (DAF) next-generation fighter.

The CoD scrutinized the aircraft unit costs, technical calculations and overall decision-making process that underpin the Fighter Replacement Program (FRP) when it questioned defense minister Peter Christensen and officials from the New Fighter Program Office (NFPO) on Wednesday.

Moreover, the CoD asked the minister and NFPO experts to explain the rationale behind the eventual choice of aircraft, and to justify capital costs relating to both the flyaway unit purchase price and lifecycle for each of the short-listed aircraft competing in the FRP.

"Of fundamental importance is that we understand how the decision on selection was reached. We need to know the foundation for this, as well as the technical information and cost evaluation data on which calculations are based," said Rasmus Jarlov, chairman of the CoD.

The continuing talks on the FRP are expected to result in a preliminary cross-party agreement to purchase the F-35A ahead of the NATO summit meeting in Warsaw in July.

The NFPO's calculations concerning flight hours per fuselage, and lifecycle costs of the competing aircraft, are proving to be particularly contentious against the backdrop of the ongoing cross-party political debate. The calculations were contained in the NFPO's candidate aircraft evaluation report.

One major bone of contention is the NFPO's assessment of the F-35. The agency calculated that the F-35 would deliver 8,000 flight hours per fuselage. By contrast, the NFPO returned 6,000 flight hours for both the Airbus-led European consortium's Eurofighter Typhoon and Boeing's F/A-18F Super Hornet.

Airbus and Boeing questioned the NFPO's assessment of their aircraft when both manufacturers were invited, separately, before the CoD in the days after the Danish government F-35A announcement May 12.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/174188/danish-mps-scrutinize-f_35-plans%2C-costs.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 30/05/2016 | 10:25 uur
Canada Needs New Fighters 'Now,' Defence Minister Says

OTTAWA --- Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan has pushed the purchase of new fighter jets to the top of his priority list, stating the current fleet of CF-18s can hardly fulfill its domestic and international mandates.

"Our fleet of CF-18s need to be replaced now. And the fact they have not been replaced means we are facing a capability gap in the years ahead," Mr. Sajjan said in a speech on Thursday morning.

"Now, we did not create this issue. Unfortunately, I inherited it, but it needs to be dealt with quickly," he said, blaming the previous Conservative government for failing to buy a replacement plane.

Mr. Sajjan made the comments at the CANSEC defence and military trade show in Ottawa, where the world's biggest aircraft manufacturers are lobbying federal officials on the merits of their respective product.

Lockheed Martin, which makes the F-35 stealth fighter, has a large presence at CANSEC, despite the Liberal Party's promise in the last election not to buy its airplane.

Speaking to reporters, Mr. Sajjan refused to state whether any aircraft manufacturer will be prevented from bidding on the multi-billion-dollar contract.

"As I said from the get-go, right now my focus is on making sure that our men and women in the Air Force have the right capabilities and my focus is replacing the F-18s," Mr. Sajjan said, refusing to lay out a specific timeline for the purchase. (end of excerpt)

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/174187/canada-%E2%80%9Cneeds-new-fighters-now%E2%80%9D-but-no-order-likely-before-2020.html

(EDITOR'S NOTE:  Replacing the CF-18s may be urgent, as the minister says, but ordering their replacement can apparently wait, according to his department.
"Canada, which has repeatedly put off a decision on replacing its aging CF-18 fighter jets, could be in a position to order a fleet of new planes by 2020, its defense department said on Thursday," Reuters reported May 26.
"In a guide to defense firms posted online, the Department of National Defence said it hoped to award the contract between 2018 and 2020 and said the final jets should be delivered between 2026 and 2036."
However, "a department spokeswoman said the guide was preliminary and the dates could easily change," Reuters added.)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 30/05/2016 | 11:00 uur
Hmpf, Canada, altijd al een rare eend in de bijt geweest.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/05/2016 | 11:15 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 30/05/2016 | 11:00 uur
Hmpf, Canada, altijd al een rare eend in de bijt geweest.

De Canadese Liberal Party was anti F-35 tijdens de verkiezingscampagne en nu is de F-35 nog steeds één van de kandidaten. De partij kon/mocht blijkbaar niet voet bij stuk houden. Zal je zien dat de F-35 uiteindelijk toch de winnende kandidaat is  :P
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 30/05/2016 | 11:21 uur
Waarom werd de F-18 eigenlijk gekozen in Canadadana en niet de F-16 bijvoorbeeld?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/05/2016 | 11:31 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 30/05/2016 | 11:21 uur
Waarom werd de F-18 eigenlijk gekozen in Canadadana en niet de F-16 bijvoorbeeld?

Redenen dat zij in 1980 de CF-18A/B kozen, waren de twee motoren en beter kunnen omgaan met de Canadese omstandigheden (bijvoorbeeld vliegen over Arctisch gebied). Verder hadden zij ook hiermee direct de beschikking over de AIM-7 Sparrow.

Blijkbaar maakt het Canada niet meer uit of de opvolger één of twee motoren heeft.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 30/05/2016 | 23:10 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 30/05/2016 | 11:21 uur
Waarom werd de F-18 eigenlijk gekozen in Canadadana en niet de F-16 bijvoorbeeld?
Naast 2 motoren en de all weather vaardigheid met de  AIM-7 Sparrow of AIM-120 (AMRAAM project) zijn de Short Take Off and Landing (STOL) vaardigheden ook doorslaggevend.
Een vanaf vliegdekschepen opererend jachtvliegtuig is ontworpen om "no flare carrier" landingen te maken.  D.w.z. dit soort kisten landt met een lagere invalshoek en een veel hogere verticale (daal) snelheid.  Hierdoor kan een vlieger zijn kist veel nauwkeuriger op een kleine en korte baan laten neer komen.
Is de baan te kort?  Geen probleem, dit soort kisten heeft ook een veel sterker uitgevoerde "tail hook", remhaak die een over de startbaan gelegde kabel grijpt om te stoppen.
En uiteraard heeft de F-18 Hornet, maar ook de Gripen een veel sterker landingsgestel en casco om al deze brute krachten aan te kunnen.

Finland koos om dezelfde redenen ook de F-18 Hornet.

De F-35A LightningII heeft net als de Mirage 2000 een startbaan nodig van 10.000 voet.  Terwijl de F-16 en F-18 het afkunnen met een startbaan van 8.000 voet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/05/2016 | 15:20 uur
Dassault Aviation ready to sign Rafale deal, ball in India's court

Tue May 31, 2016 2:06am EDT

Dassault Aviation is ready to sign a contract with India at any moment, but the ball is in India's court, chief executive Eric Trappier told French daily Les Echos in an interview published on Tuesday.

The Indian defence ministry said in April protracted talks to buy 36 French Rafale fighter jets were nearing the finish line.

"We are ready to conclude (the sale) at any moment, the ball is in the Indian government's camp," Trappier was quoted as saying.

Asked about reports in Indian media that a bank guarantee was required for the deal, he said that was not the case since the deal was already guaranteed by the French state.

Asked about business jets, Trappier said: "Business jets are a good barometer of the global economy, and, this year, it will be difficult."

(Reporting by Ingrid Melander; Editing by Mark Potter)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-dassault-india-jets-idUSKCN0YM0GB
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/06/2016 | 07:11 uur
Liberals planning to buy Super Hornet fighter jets before making final decision on F-35s, sources say

http://natpo.st/1VG7iXJ 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/06/2016 | 07:27 uur
The U.S. Air Force May Have Just Built Its Last Fighter Jet

http://thebea.st/2122xHw via @thedailybeast
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 06/06/2016 | 09:30 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/06/2016 | 07:11 uur
Liberals planning to buy Super Hornet fighter jets before making final decision on F-35s, sources say

http://natpo.st/1VG7iXJ

Als .. ALS Canada wel voor een interim gaat, zal het zeker niet voor het aantal van 80 stuks die ze als vervangers-aantal hebben gesteld voor de CF-18. Dan zal (denk ik) dat zeker een batch zijn van een stuks of 24-30 stuks, net als bij Australie, om de eerste nood te verzachten. Eventueel later nog een aanvulling van 12-24 stuks, maar daarna wordt er zeker voor de F-35 gekozen in de jaren 2025-2030.

Het voordeel is dan wel dat ze met de interim als de F-18E/F/G een voor hun bekend toestel kunnen vliegen. De participatie in het F-35 komt niet in het gedrang. En ze kunnen later een "uitontwikkelde/geteste" F-35 van de plank kopen. Waarschijnlijk voor een lagere aanschafprijs dan in de huidige situatie.
Een interim zal in eerste instantie meer kosten, maar uiteindelijk gezien over een termijn van 30-40 jaar misschien wel een goede keuze.
En ook voor de Growler zie ik in Canada mogelijkheden.   
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/06/2016 | 09:43 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 06/06/2016 | 09:30 uur
En ook voor de Growler zie ik in Canada mogelijkheden.   

Canada zou alleen de EA-18G Growler aanschaffen als de CF-18A/B vervanger een behoorlijke kwantiteit heeft. Kijk naar Australië.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 06/06/2016 | 09:52 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 06/06/2016 | 09:30 uur
Als .. ALS Canada wel voor een interim gaat, zal het zeker niet voor het aantal van 80 stuks die ze als vervangers-aantal hebben gesteld voor de CF-18. Dan zal (denk ik) dat zeker een batch zijn van een stuks of 24-30 stuks, net als bij Australie, om de eerste nood te verzachten. Eventueel later nog een aanvulling van 12-24 stuks, maar daarna wordt er zeker voor de F-35 gekozen in de jaren 2025-2030.

Het voordeel is dan wel dat ze met de interim als de F-18E/F/G een voor hun bekend toestel kunnen vliegen. De participatie in het F-35 komt niet in het gedrang. En ze kunnen later een "uitontwikkelde/geteste" F-35 van de plank kopen. Waarschijnlijk voor een lagere aanschafprijs dan in de huidige situatie.
Een interim zal in eerste instantie meer kosten, maar uiteindelijk gezien over een termijn van 30-40 jaar misschien wel een goede keuze.
En ook voor de Growler zie ik in Canada mogelijkheden.   

Zo heb ik het artikel niet geïnterpreteerd.
Het interim verhaal is meer om LM aan het lijntje te houden. Dit hoeft dus niet persee een kleine batch te zijn. Het zouden ook juist meer toestellen kunnen zijn, ~60, die daarna aangevuld gaan worden met een klein squadron F35's. Het huidige aantal toestellen is immers onvoldoende om te voldoen aan de NATO en NORAD verplichtingen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 06/06/2016 | 10:27 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 06/06/2016 | 09:52 uur
Zo heb ik het artikel niet geïnterpreteerd.
Het interim verhaal is meer om LM aan het lijntje te houden. Dit hoeft dus niet persee een kleine batch te zijn. Het zouden ook juist meer toestellen kunnen zijn, ~60, die daarna aangevuld gaan worden met een klein squadron F35's. Het huidige aantal toestellen is immers onvoldoende om te voldoen aan de NATO en NORAD verplichtingen.

(Persoonlijke mening) ik denk dat Canada zich net als Nederland zich vast heeft gelegd bij de Amerikanen voor aankoop van de F-35. Daar kunnen ze niet omheen. Nu er in de verkiezingen gezegd is door de winnende partij, we gaan geen F-35 (nu) kopen, moeten ze dit ook hard maken binnen Canada anders staat de halve bevolking op de achterste poten en dat willen ze niet.
Mijn gedachte is dan ook dat ze zeggen dat ze voor interim gaan met de F-18E/F/G, een bekend toestel en later zeg maar over 10 jaar de zaken weer bekijken als de F-35 van de plank gekocht kan worden. Maar nu niet gelijk voor de F-35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/06/2016 | 10:41 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 06/06/2016 | 10:27 uur
(Persoonlijke mening) ik denk dat Canada zich net als Nederland zich vast heeft gelegd bij de Amerikanen voor aankoop van de F-35. Daar kunnen ze niet omheen. Nu er in de verkiezingen gezegd is door de winnende partij, we gaan geen F-35 (nu) kopen, moeten ze dit ook hard maken binnen Canada anders staat de halve bevolking op de achterste poten en dat willen ze niet.
Mijn gedachte is dan ook dat ze zeggen dat ze voor interim gaan met de F-18E/F/G, een bekend toestel en later zeg maar over 10 jaar de zaken weer bekijken als de F-35 van de plank gekocht kan worden. Maar nu niet gelijk voor de F-35.

24 x F18E + 48 x F35A of 48  x F18E + 24 F35A zou ik een prima keuze vinden, een keuze waar ongetwijfeld ook de KLu mee uit de voeten had gekund (al zou het dan max 24+24 zijn geweest)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/06/2016 | 10:59 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 06/06/2016 | 10:27 uur
(Persoonlijke mening) ik denk dat Canada zich net als Nederland zich vast heeft gelegd bij de Amerikanen voor aankoop van de F-35. Daar kunnen ze niet omheen. Nu er in de verkiezingen gezegd is door de winnende partij, we gaan geen F-35 (nu) kopen, moeten ze dit ook hard maken binnen Canada anders staat de halve bevolking op de achterste poten en dat willen ze niet.
De Liberal Party zegt het één (tijdens de verkiezingen anti F-35) en vervolgens het ander (als regering de F-35 toch als één van de kandidaten zien).

Ze zullen snel hun keuze moeten maken, want het is zo 2025.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/06/2016 | 18:03 uur
Poland's first M-346 trainer unveiled

By Bartosz Glowacki, Warsaw | 08 June 2016

The first of eight Aermacchi M-346 lead-in fighter trainers for Poland was unveiled at Leonardo-Finmeccanica's facility in Venegono Superiore, Italy on 6 June.

Delivery of an initial two aircraft will be made to the Polish air force academy in Dęblin in late November, following the scheduled completion of certification activities by Italian military authorities the previous month. National-specific modifications include a new data link, braking parachute and "blind hood" to support training in instrument meteorological conditions, with the programme also including a full mission simulator, flight training device, egress procedure trainer and mission planning and debriefing stations.

Warsaw's remaining six examples are scheduled to follow within 12 months, with the nation aiming to establish Dęblin as an international training hub. Its air force also will receive an initial four-year package of support under the procurement.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=67322)
Leonardo-Finmeccanica

Leonardo-Finmeccanica says it has secured orders for 68 M-346s so far, including commitments from Israel (30), Italy (18) and Singapore (12).

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/polands-first-m-346-trainer-unveiled-426160/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: mandaje op 09/06/2016 | 14:48 uur
Eindelijk, APKWS beschikbaar voor F-16's.

BAE Systems' Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System (APKWS) has been deployed on the US Air Force's Lockheed Martin F-16 - the first time the service has used the weapon on a fixed-wing aircraft. Zie https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/apkws-deployed-on-usaf-f-16-426192/ (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/apkws-deployed-on-usaf-f-16-426192/)

Ik mag hopen dat de KLu hier snel een flinke batch van bestelt en razendsnel intergreert.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/06/2016 | 17:19 uur
Denmark F-35 Buy Goes Official

http://defnews.ly/1tcYn4B via @defense_news
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 09/06/2016 | 17:27 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/06/2016 | 17:19 uur
Denmark F-35 Buy Goes Official

http://defnews.ly/1tcYn4B via @defense_news

Geen verassing, toch jammer.
Met 27 stuks is een bijdrage aan internationale operations dus ook wel te vergeten.
Leuke QRA macht....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/06/2016 | 17:54 uur
Citaat van: mandaje op 09/06/2016 | 14:48 uur
Eindelijk, APKWS beschikbaar voor F-16's.

BAE Systems' Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System (APKWS) has been deployed on the US Air Force's Lockheed Martin F-16 - the first time the service has used the weapon on a fixed-wing aircraft. Zie https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/apkws-deployed-on-usaf-f-16-426192/ (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/apkws-deployed-on-usaf-f-16-426192/)

Ik mag hopen dat de KLu hier snel een flinke batch van besteld en razendsnel intergreert.

Ben benieuwd hoe de APKWS zich houdt t.o.v. de geleide versie van de Canadese CRV7. Deze laatste is in ongeleide vorm al accurater dan de Amerikaanse ongeleide 2,75 inch raketten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 09/06/2016 | 23:06 uur
Ik vraag mij af hoelang het gaat duren voordat geleide 2,75" raketten op de F-35 geïntegreerd zijn. (niet voor 2022 vrees ik)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/06/2016 | 21:37 uur
Voor de geïnteresseerden de Naval Aviation Vision 2016-2025 (http://www.navy.mil/strategic/Naval_Aviation_Vision.pdf)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/06/2016 | 13:59 uur
Boeing confident of extending Super Hornet and Growler production

Gareth Jennings, Cecil Field, Florida - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly | 14 June 2016

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.janes.com%2Fimages%2Fassets%2F174%2F61174%2Fp1476227.jpg&hash=2c5644c8e150487b08a489eb9b43e5da03803351)
Although Super Hornet and Growler production is currently set to end in 2018, Boeing is confident of extending the line through to the mid-2020s based on a USN requirement to replace worn out airframes and international interest. (IHS/Patrick Allen)

Boeing anticipates an extension of its F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler production lines as a result of an increased operational tempo by the US Navy (USN) and strong international interest in procuring the platform, company officials told reporters on 10 June.

Speaking at Boeing's Global Sustainment and Support (GS&S) site at Cecil Field in northern Florida, Dan Gillian, Vice President of the F/A-18 and EA-18G programmes, said that, with the USN burning through airframe hours at a far higher rate than originally intended and with additional exports expected in the near term, the company is confident of extending production from the current mid-2018 cut-off point through into the next decade.

"I believe that we will continue to build new Hornets and Growlers. We have slowed production down to two aircraft per month, and we will keep it at that level through to mid-2018. There is strong domestic and international demand that we see sustaining production through to the mid-2020s," Gillian said.

The US Navy's current programme of record is for 568 Super Hornets and 160 Growlers. As Gillian noted, however, the service has identified a 'Super Hornet shortfall' that will materialise in the 2030s/2040s as aircraft prematurely reach the end of their 6,000 hour airframe lives owing to the high operational tempo being flown today. To try and mitigate this, additional aircraft have already been requested in the fiscal year defence budget, and Gillian expressed his confidence that these will be approved.

On the international front, Gillian noted that a deal with Kuwait is currently going through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) process with the US government and should be finalised in the not-too-distant future. Current legacy Hornet operator Finland has issued a request for proposals (RfP) that Boeing is preparing its response to, as has Belgium. Spain, which also now flies the Hornet, is in the early stages of a fighter procurement project for which Boeing will bid the Super Hornet, while India and Canada are being offered the platform to fulfil their respective requirements also.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/06/2016 | 09:31 uur
Lockheed may shift F-35 fighter work away from Canada ( .... het getouwtrek begint ...)

Top U.S. weapons maker Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N) is studying whether to shift work on its multibillion-dollar F-35 fighter jet away from Canadian firms amid uncertainty over Ottawa's plans to buy the jet.

Jack Crisler, Lockheed's vice president of business development for the F-35 program, told Reuters Lockheed was under pressure from other partner countries that had placed firm orders or accelerated orders to shift more work to them.

"This is not anything punitive. It is just business," he said in a telephone interview from the Netherlands, where the F-35 will fly in its first international air show on Saturday.

Canadian firms will account for development and production work on the F-35 program worth about $1 billion by the end of 2016, Crisler said.

But future work could be in jeopardy if Canada decides to skip a competition and order F/A-18E/F fighter jets built by rival Boeing Co (BA.N), as indicated by recent Canadian media reports, he said.

A spokeswoman for Canada's defense ministry said the reports were not accurate, but gave no further information.

Crisler said Lockheed had been unable to secure a meeting with the Canadian government to discuss the issue.

He said F-35 supply chain contracts were competitively awarded in rough proportion to the purchase plans of the nine original partner countries that helped fund development of the radar-evading jet: the United States, Britain, Canada, Turkey, Italy, Norway, the Netherlands, Australia and Denmark.

Canada's ruling Liberals won an election last October on a promise not to buy F-35s because the planes were too expensive. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told the House of Commons the opposition Conservatives had "clung to a plane that does not work and is far from being able to work."

Joe DellaVedova, a spokesman for the Pentagon's F-35 office, said Canada remained a partner in the $379 billion program, and U.S. officials continued to provide the Canadian government information about the jets as they decided how to proceed.

More than 180 of the new jets are now flying, including an initial squadron of U.S. Marine Corps F-35 jets that were declared ready for combat a year ago, he said.

Crisler said if Canada held an open competition, Lockheed would retain contracts with Canadian firms, but it would need to rethink if Ottawa opted for a sole-source deal with Boeing.

"We are evaluating all that now," he said. "The most important thing is that we've got to protect the enterprise as we get ready to ramp up production."

However, in a note to clients on Friday, Macquarie analyst Konark Gupta questioned Lockheed's rhetoric, noting that the company recently awarded long-term F-35 contracts to another Canadian supplier.

"(This) suggests to us that Lockheed could simply be threatening Canada to win an F-35 order," Gupta wrote.

Sixty Canadian firms had worked on the F-35 development program, and 70 others are now involved in production of the jets, including Magellan Aerospace (MAL.TO), Crisler said.

Canadian firms involved urged Ottawa on Thursday to hold a fair and open competition to replace its aging fleet of CF-18 fighter jets. Their supply contracts, they wrote in the joint statement, were contingent on Canada buying the F-35.

"Not selecting the F-35 will set off a chain of events that will see hundreds of millions of investment dollars lost, and high-tech jobs leaving Canada, going to countries who are buying the F-35," they said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-lockheed-canada-fighter-idUSKCN0YW14E
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/06/2016 | 10:39 uur
Denmark to Buy Only 21 F-35s As Final Six Are Conditional

( Ze kopen zo-wie-zo 21 stuks en kijken dan hoeveel geld er nog is om extra F-35 te kopen, hopelijk nog 6  stuks )

Agreement for the Acquisition of New Combat Aircraft

COPENHAGEN --- An agreement was concluded between the government and the Social Democrats, the Danish People's Party, the Liberal Alliance and the Social Liberals for the acquisition of new fighter aircraft to replace the current F-16 aircraft.

The parties agree that the acquisition of new fighter aircraft to replace the F-16 combat aircraft is an investment in Defence's future ability to protect Denmark and Danish interests.

The acquisition continues Denmark's current operational capacity in fighter aircraft and ensures that Denmark continues to have freedom of action and the ability to assert Danish sovereignty that can be deployed in international operations in line with commitments made in relation to NATO's requests, and ultimately to contribute to NATO's collective defense of Danish and Allied territory.

Denmark's ability as a sovereign state to safeguard its own security and Danish interests depends on Defence's ability to maintain flexible and powerful capabilities, including combat aircraft.

Type

The Ministry of Defence's New Combat Aircraft Program evaluated the three participating bat aircraft (Eurofighter Typhoon, F-35A Joint Strike Fighter and the F / A-18F Super Hornet) according to strategic, military professional, economic and industrial criteria.

In all four evaluation areas the F-35A Joint Strike Fighter was ranked higher than the other aircraft.

Based on the evaluation results, the parties agree that the future Danish fighter must be of type F-35A Joint Strike Fighter.

The parties note that the F-35 is still in the development phase, and that therefore there is and will remain a number of risks associated with the aircraft's development. The parties want to follow the development of the F-35 program closely and will be regularly informed of progress and risks in the program.

Number

Based on the current level of ambition for the assignment of combat aircraft, the parties have agreed to acquire 27 F-35A Joint Strike Fighter.

The parties note that there are a number of optimizations and efficiency improvements as the basis for evaluation result. The parties agree that the Defence should have the freedom to determine the specific initiatives for streamlining and optimizing the aircraft structure so that problem-solving can be done without compromising security.

Phasing In

Given the usage pattern of the F-16 aircraft, it is expected that the last F-16 will be phased out by the end of 2024.

The service introduction of the Joint Strike Fighter aircraft is expected to take place a period of six years, from 2021 to 2026.

The delivery plan enables national missions to be carried independently with a new fighter aircraft from 2024. It means that operational readiness will be continuously maintained.

As for deployment on international operations, there may be a limited fighter aircraft during 2025, while national defense missions will be maintained.

From 2027 onwards, it is expected that the Joint Strike Fighter will be able to carry out the full range of missions, both nationally and internationally.

The parties are aware that there will be a period of approximately five years (2022-2026), when Danish fighters will not be able to perform their full mission capabilities on international operations. In the period 2022-2024, it may be possible to carry out some international operations.

Planned deliveries, F-35A to Denmark
   


Operation and logistics

The parties agree that the Danish fighter aircraft will continue to operate from Skrydstrup air base, which will be rebuilt and prepared to receive F-35 fighter jets.

The parties agree that Denmark will exploit the possibilities of "Smart Defence", cooperation and economies of scale resulting from the F-35 user countries being included in the partnership, including in relation to the operation and maintenance of the planes.

Financing
The purchase amount accumulated over the phase-in period about 20.0 billion Danish krone ($3.04 billion). The parties agree that the acquisition will be financed as follows:

-- 13.4 billion krone in the period 2018-2026 [will come from the materiel plan funded by the regular defense budget.]
-- Disposal of assets from the Ministry of Defence Property Agency and Home Guard will generate about 2.3 billion krone in the period 2018-26.
-- Advance on substantive plan of 0.9 billion. kr. from 2027 for the period 2018-26 at grant proportionally written down in 2027
-- Implementation of new efficiency savings in defense of 100 million krone in 2018, 200 million krone in 2019, 300 million krone in 2020 and 400 million krone in 2021, for a total of 1.0 billion krone, with a further 400 million krone during the acquisition period.

The parties undertake to implement these initiatives in the context of a forthcoming Defence agreement for the next parliament, 2018-22.

The parties agree that the ambition is that efficiency improvements are implemented so that other Defence operational capabilities are not reduced. The Minister of Defence will submit a proposal for these new efficiencies during the negotiations on the new defense agreement.

The parties note that the determination of the acquisition cost will only happen after contracting with the supplier. The parties agree that any unexpected costs will be financed through the Defence economic framework. 

The Minister of Defence will present a document to the Parliamentary Finance Committee on the overall acquisition, and the parties note that the Minister of Defence will return to the Finance Committee if, during the acquisition process, any important deviations appear, including economic conditions (cf. budget instructions.)

The parties further note that the National Audit Office has indicated that the National Audit Office at an appropriate time will take the initiative to review the combat aircraft agreement.

It noted that the new fighter is expected to be purchased through a so-called "block buy" covering several years of deliveries. The parties to the Agreement agree that pre-contractual liability on the last six planes can be made at any time in the settlement cycle. At this point, it can be decided to purchase fewer aircraft if the first aircraft is not delivered in time and at the expected price which underlie this agreement.

It is further noted that the office at any time settlement group may decide to acquire several aircraft within the Defence economic framework.

The parties agree that there should be a special effort to promote Danish business opportunities for co-production of the aircraft, and that a facilitating mechanism will be established for that purpose.


(EDITOR'S NOTE: So, in the final analysis, Denmark does not know what price it will pay for its F-35As, and if the price increases it will buy fewer of them.
This is the reason why, instead of the publicized figure of 27, the parties have in fact committed to buy only 21, with the remaining six to be bought only if there is enough money to pay for them.
This, by the way, would bring the purchase in line with the intentions of the Konservative party, which voted against the purchase because it wants to limit the number to 21.
Given that this is barely enough to equip a single operational squadron, if it hard to understand why, given the cost, Denmark does not simply do away with fast jets altogether.
All the more so that Danish media, including the Berlingske daily newspaper, puts the lifetime costs of the F-35 fleet at well over 50 billion krone, or about $7.6 billion, while Henrik Dam Christensen, defense speaker for the opposition Social Democrats, puts that figure at 55 billion kroner.
In any case, given the F-35's history of cost inflation, late delivery and mandatory upgrades, it is more than likely that, like Norway and the Netherlands, it will end up with far fewer aircraft that ti initially wanted – in this case, no more than 21.)

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/174598/denmark-to-buy-only-21-f_35s-as-final-six-are-conditional.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 13/06/2016 | 10:49 uur
21.....
Stop er dan gewoon mee en steek je geld in capabilities die wel wat bijdragen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Micheltje op 13/06/2016 | 10:56 uur
Men wilt graag alleen maar voor een duppie eerste rang zitten
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 13/06/2016 | 11:34 uur
Achter de schermen zijn ze allang aan het onderhandelen om luchtmachten danwel opdrachten samen te voegen met Denemarken zodat het wel kan en ze op TV kunnen zeggen 'we beschikken over 58 stuks, dat zijn er bijna 60!'
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 13/06/2016 | 12:07 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 13/06/2016 | 10:49 uur
21.....
Stop er dan gewoon mee en steek je geld in capabilities die wel wat bijdragen.

De Denen hebben op dit moment ook maar 30 F16's operationeel, dus echt veel gaan ze er niet op achteruit...

Wat ik veel interessanter vind is het volgende:

Citaat
Type

The Ministry of Defence's New Combat Aircraft Program evaluated the three participating bat aircraft (Eurofighter Typhoon, F-35A Joint Strike Fighter and the F / A-18F Super Hornet) according to strategic, military professional, economic and industrial criteria.

In all four evaluation areas the F-35A Joint Strike Fighter was ranked higher than the other aircraft.

Misschien dat nu eindelijk dat gezeur van: "de JSF is kut, we motte iets anders koopuuuh" de kop ingedrukt kan worden. Ook de Denen zijn het er dus over eens dat het de beste keus is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 13/06/2016 | 12:56 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 13/06/2016 | 12:07 uur
De Denen hebben op dit moment ook maar 30 F16's operationeel, dus echt veel gaan ze er niet op achteruit...

Wat ik veel interessanter vind is het volgende:

Misschien dat nu eindelijk dat gezeur van: "de JSF is kut, we motte iets anders koopuuuh" de kop ingedrukt kan worden. Ook de Denen zijn het er dus over eens dat het de beste keus is.

Heb je die evaluatie gelezen? Volgens mij in dit topic een paar pagina's terug uitgebreid besproken, net zo'n analyse, gebaseerd op verwachtingen en het meest ideale scenario, als destijds in Nederland.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/06/2016 | 15:23 uur
Boeing Restores 30 F/A-18C+ Models for Marine Corps ( ... ivm vertraging in F-35 programma )

Boeing is modifying 30 legacy F/A-18C Hornets recovered from the aircraft "boneyard" at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base to a "C+" standard at the request of the U.S. Marine Corps. The updated strike fighters will support two new squadrons, the manufacturer said.

Thus far, Boeing has delivered two F/A-18C+ fighters to the Marines from its maintenance facility at Cecil Field, Fla. Five more fighters were undergoing the update and four were expected to arrive by September.

"They're expecting a combat-capable aircraft on delivery," said Bill Maxwell, Boeing senior manager of Cecil Field F/A-18 operations. "That's our contract to them."

Under the so-called C+ reconstitution program awarded to Boeing in 2014, the legacy Hornets are being trucked to Cecil Field from the aircraft boneyard near Tucson, Ariz. They are fitted with new avionics and a modernized AN/APG-65 radar. Modifications also extend the service life of the fighter from the current 6,000 hours to 8,000 hours.

Maxwell said F/A-18Cs arriving from Davis-Monthan AFB are generally lower-time fighters that hadn't reached their full service lives. Boeing overhauls legacy Hornets as well as F/A-18E/F Super Hornets at Cecil Field. The manufacturer said 47 fighters were undergoing repairs in multiple hangars.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/174641/boeing-restores-retired-f_18s-for-marine-corps.html

US Marine Corps recovering 'boneyard' Hornets to plug capability gap
http://www.janes.com/article/61166/us-marine-corps-recovering-boneyard-hornets-to-plug-capability-gap
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 13/06/2016 | 16:21 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 13/06/2016 | 12:56 uur
Heb je die evaluatie gelezen? Volgens mij in dit topic een paar pagina's terug uitgebreid besproken, net zo'n analyse, gebaseerd op verwachtingen en het meest ideale scenario, als destijds in Nederland.

Het begint ondertussen wel een heel erg "iedereen is gek behalve de tegenstanders" te worden... Waarbij het tegenkamp het van internetwijsheid en open source bronnen moet hebben. Wat je verder van het toestel vindt moet je zelf maar weten maar dat er geen serieuze alternatieven zijn lijkt me ondertussen wel duidelijk.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 13/06/2016 | 16:52 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 13/06/2016 | 16:21 uur
Het begint ondertussen wel een heel erg "iedereen is gek behalve de tegenstanders" te worden... Waarbij het tegenkamp het van internetwijsheid en open source bronnen moet hebben. Wat je verder van het toestel vindt moet je zelf maar weten maar dat er geen serieuze alternatieven zijn lijkt me ondertussen wel duidelijk.

Nee hoor, ze zijn heel slim juist. Als er bij voorbaat al een keuze is gemaakt, dan is het inderdaad geen verassing als uit de vergelijking blijkt dat er geen serieuze alternatieven zijn ;D Los van het toestel, wat hopelijk na al die jaren vast wel zal gaan presteren, kan niemand ontkennen dat de politieke factor bij een defensieorder nog nooit zo groot is geweest dan bij het F-35 programma. Ondertussen worden we genomen door monopoly spelletjes van Lockheed Martin.

Dat NL, BE, DEN en NO bij elkaar straks nog niet eens 150 gevechtsvliegtuigen hebben is blijkbaar niet zo'n probleem.

Mijn kritiek is in de jaren steeds meer verschoven van het toestel naar het programma, de besluitvorming en KLu-top. Hoewel ik nog steeds van mening ben dat het niet het juiste toestel voor de Nederlandse ambitie is. (In ieder geval niet het beste toestel voor de beste prijs).

Ik raad een ieder dit document aan over de besluitvorming en controle daarvan. http://dare.uva.nl/cgi/arno/show.cgi?fid=55023

Ongeveer hetzelfde zien we gebeuren bij de andere F-35 landen....toeval? Ik denk het niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Elzenga op 13/06/2016 | 18:34 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 13/06/2016 | 16:52 uur
Nee hoor, ze zijn heel slim juist. Als er bij voorbaat al een keuze is gemaakt, dan is het inderdaad geen verassing als uit de vergelijking blijkt dat er geen serieuze alternatieven zijn ;D Los van het toestel, wat hopelijk na al die jaren vast wel zal gaan presteren, kan niemand ontkennen dat de politieke factor bij een defensieorder nog nooit zo groot is geweest dan bij het F-35 programma. Ondertussen worden we genomen door monopoly spelletjes van Lockheed Martin.

Dat NL, BE, DEN en NO bij elkaar straks nog niet eens 150 gevechtsvliegtuigen hebben is blijkbaar niet zo'n probleem.

Mijn kritiek is in de jaren steeds meer verschoven van het toestel naar het programma, de besluitvorming en KLu-top. Hoewel ik nog steeds van mening ben dat het niet het juiste toestel voor de Nederlandse ambitie is. (In ieder geval niet het beste toestel voor de beste prijs).

Ik raad een ieder dit document aan over de besluitvorming en controle daarvan. http://dare.uva.nl/cgi/arno/show.cgi?fid=55023

Ongeveer hetzelfde zien we gebeuren bij de andere F-35 landen....toeval? Ik denk het niet.
Tja....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 13/06/2016 | 18:54 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 13/06/2016 | 16:52 uur
Nee hoor, ze zijn heel slim juist. Als er bij voorbaat al een keuze is gemaakt, dan is het inderdaad geen verassing als uit de vergelijking blijkt dat er geen serieuze alternatieven zijn ;D Los van het toestel, wat hopelijk na al die jaren vast wel zal gaan presteren, kan niemand ontkennen dat de politieke factor bij een defensieorder nog nooit zo groot is geweest dan bij het F-35 programma. Ondertussen worden we genomen door monopoly spelletjes van Lockheed Martin.

Dat NL, BE, DEN en NO bij elkaar straks nog niet eens 150 gevechtsvliegtuigen hebben is blijkbaar niet zo'n probleem.

Mijn kritiek is in de jaren steeds meer verschoven van het toestel naar het programma, de besluitvorming en KLu-top. Hoewel ik nog steeds van mening ben dat het niet het juiste toestel voor de Nederlandse ambitie is. (In ieder geval niet het beste toestel voor de beste prijs).

Ik raad een ieder dit document aan over de besluitvorming en controle daarvan. http://dare.uva.nl/cgi/arno/show.cgi?fid=55023

Ongeveer hetzelfde zien we gebeuren bij de andere F-35 landen....toeval? Ik denk het niet.

"Congressen kopen geen vliegtuigen!" Om maar even met een vrij bekende quote te komen... Ik vind die hele politieke inmenging maar zo zo... Uiteraard dienen er wel vangrails uitgezet te worden en moet eea in de gaten gehouden worden. Maar nu is het bijna andersom met de aankopen, budget is leidend en je gaat mots of cots aanschaffen, al is het de MIG-29...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/06/2016 | 19:01 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 13/06/2016 | 18:54 uur
"Congressen kopen geen vliegtuigen!" Om maar even met een vrij bekende quote te komen... Ik vind die hele politieke inmenging maar zo zo... Uiteraard dienen er wel vangrails uitgezet te worden en moet eea in de gaten gehouden worden. Maar nu is het bijna andersom met de aankopen, budget is leidend en je gaat mots of cots aanschaffen, al is het de MIG-29...

Politiek spel of niet, feit is dat een diverse luchtmachten een keuze hebben gemaakt voor de F35 en niet de minsten denk ik zo.

Meest opvallende keuze, tot nu toe, is wat mij betreft die van Zuid Korea met een carte blanche voor de F15SE en uiteindelijk de bestelling van de F35
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 13/06/2016 | 19:25 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/06/2016 | 19:01 uur
Politiek spel of niet, feit is dat een diverse luchtmachten een keuze hebben gemaakt voor de F35 en niet de minsten denk ik zo.

Meest opvallende keuze, tot nu toe, is wat mij betreft die van Zuid Koreaanse met een carte blanche voor de F15SE.

Ik dacht dat de Zuid Koreanen de F35 gekocht hadden, heb je een link over de  carte blanche van de  Zuid Koreanen  voor de F15 SE?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/06/2016 | 19:38 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 13/06/2016 | 19:25 uur
Ik dacht dat de Zuid Koreanen de F35 gekocht hadden, heb je een link over de  carte blanche van de  Zuid Koreanen  voor de F15 SE?

Ruimschoots te vinden in dit topic.

ZKOR heeft ook de F35A besteld. (en dus geen F15SE)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Elzenga op 13/06/2016 | 19:52 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 13/06/2016 | 18:54 uur
"Congressen kopen geen vliegtuigen!" Om maar even met een vrij bekende quote te komen... Ik vind die hele politieke inmenging maar zo zo... Uiteraard dienen er wel vangrails uitgezet te worden en moet eea in de gaten gehouden worden. Maar nu is het bijna andersom met de aankopen, budget is leidend en je gaat mots of cots aanschaffen, al is het de MIG-29...
De politiek bepaalt de politiek strategische afwegingen en het budget. Het is niet aan een krijgsmachtdeel om die politiek strategische afwegingen te maken of af te dwingen door een vooraf favoriete kandidaat/wapensysteem met allerlei PR en manipulatie-technieken politiek "erdoor te drukken". Dat is kwalijk en erg slecht voor de democratie, trias politica en bovendien de geloofwaardigheid van de politiek maar ook Defensie en krijgsmacht zelf. De meerderheid van de politieke betrokkenen heeft deze gang van zaken bij de vervanging van de F16 gesteund en/of geaccepteerd en de favoriete keuze is er dus door in Nederland. We zagen ditzelfde omstreden proces als ook de kritiek daarop in Noorwegen en Denemarken. En ook nu in België is men er beducht op en doet de regering er alles aan enige voorkeur of partijdigheid te ontkennen. Ook daar zal de keuze denk ik niet anders uitpakken. Al was het maar omdat het denk ik nu, na besluiten Noorwegen, Nederland en Denemarken, de meest verstandige lijkt. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 13/06/2016 | 21:28 uur
Citaat van: Elzenga op 13/06/2016 | 19:52 uur
De politiek bepaalt de politiek strategische afwegingen en het budget. Het is niet aan een krijgsmachtdeel om die politiek strategische afwegingen te maken of af te dwingen door een vooraf favoriete kandidaat/wapensysteem met allerlei PR en manipulatie-technieken politiek "erdoor te drukken". Dat is kwalijk en erg slecht voor de democratie, trias politica en bovendien de geloofwaardigheid van de politiek maar ook Defensie en krijgsmacht zelf. De meerderheid van de politieke betrokkenen heeft deze gang van zaken bij de vervanging van de F16 gesteund en/of geaccepteerd en de favoriete keuze is er dus door in Nederland. We zagen ditzelfde omstreden proces als ook de kritiek daarop in Noorwegen en Denemarken. En ook nu in België is men er beducht op en doet de regering er alles aan enige voorkeur of partijdigheid te ontkennen. Ook daar zal de keuze denk ik niet anders uitpakken. Al was het maar omdat het denk ik nu, na besluiten Noorwegen, Nederland en Denemarken, de meest verstandige lijkt. 
Vervangen van militaire middelen zal altijd een heikel punt blijven, vanwege strijdige belangen tussen enerzijds de krijgsmacht/een krijgsmacht onderdeel en anderzijds de politiek.
De een heeft een voorkeur voor een bepaald artikel, de ander moet de afweging maken in oa het financiële vlak. Er is vaak geopperd dat de politiek niet voldoende kennis in huis heeft op dit gebied. Vandaar ook de vele lobby-circuits.
En wat naar mijn bescheiden mening ook ontbeert is een duidelijke visie over de toekomst van de NL defensie organisatie.
Nu is het zo dat vanuit een beschikbaar budget gekeken wordt naar "kunnen we het wel aanschaffen" en zo ja "hoeveel"?
Zou het niet zo moeten zijn dat vanuit de visie mbt de toekomst de benodigde middelen ter tafel komen en dat vervolgens het budget bepaald wordt?
En ook dat de politiek zich tezamen met de organisatie verder verdiept in de materie, opdat kennis ter zake doende aan beide zijden aanwezig is?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 13/06/2016 | 21:32 uur
Citaat van: Elzenga op 13/06/2016 | 19:52 uur
De politiek bepaalt de politiek strategische afwegingen en het budget. Het is niet aan een krijgsmachtdeel om die politiek strategische afwegingen te maken of af te dwingen door een vooraf favoriete kandidaat/wapensysteem met allerlei PR en manipulatie-technieken politiek "erdoor te drukken".

Dat wil ik dan ook helemaal niet. Het gaat mij erom dat als er uiteindelijk een kandidatenvergelijking komt en er moet een keus gemaakt worden dat dan de ter zake kundigen aan de slag gaan ipv een stel bureauridders die met boekenwijsheid komen. Of de politiek die meent dat een ander toestel misschien toch wel beter is...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 14/06/2016 | 00:05 uur
Citaat van: Lex op 13/06/2016 | 21:28 uur
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En wat naar mijn bescheiden mening ook ontbeert is een duidelijke visie over de toekomst van de NL defensie organisatie.
Nu is het zo dat vanuit een beschikbaar budget gekeken wordt naar "kunnen we het wel aanschaffen" en zo ja "hoeveel"?
Zou het niet zo moeten zijn dat vanuit de visie mbt de toekomst de benodigde middelen ter tafel komen en dat vervolgens het budget bepaald wordt?
En ook dat de politiek zich tezamen met de organisatie verder verdiept in de materie, opdat kennis ter zake doende aan beide zijden aanwezig is?

Exact! Dit is het grootste probleem. Geen visie (al 20 jaar niet) en geen interesse (wat over het algemeen weer in verbinding staat met kennis). De laatste tijd hebben we regelmatig kunnen zien dat sommige politici klakkeloos iets als feit overnemen terwijl het soms nergens op gebaseerd is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/06/2016 | 13:34 uur
Botswana Defence Force chief confirms desire to buy 8-12 Gripens

Head of Botswana Defence Force (BDF), Lt. Gen. Gaolathe Galebotswe, confirmed to the parliamentary Public Accounts Committee that the military is negotiating to buy between 8 to 12 Gripen fighters from Sweden.

"The Gripen fits our requirements and could give us a certain edge over our competitors. F-5s have become unsustainable for the BDF. We needed something that is cost-effective but still capable of carrying out our aerial defense mandate because we should have the capability to operate in both contested and uncontested space. I am talking about revitalizing BDF," Galebotswe said.

Galebotswe added that the Swedish fighter was found to have the lowest operating cost after his staff evaluated the F-16, MiG-29 and Chinese jets.

http://alert5.com/2016/06/16/botswana-defence-force-chief-confirms-desire-to-buy-8-12-gripens/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/06/2016 | 13:41 uur
Boeing to integrate AGM-84 on Saudi F-15SA

Information published on the U.S. Federal Business Opportunities website revealed that Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) intends to negotiate and award a Firm-Fixed-Price (FFP) contract with Boeing for the integration of the AGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missile on the Saudi F-15SA

http://alert5.com/2016/06/16/boeing-to-integrate-agm-84-on-saudi-f-15sa/

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/06/2016 | 13:52 uur
USAF Has Big Plans, But Little Money, For 'Warthog' Replacement  ( ik ben benieuwd naar de plannen ....)

WASHINGTON  — The US Air Force is still pondering if and when it can replace the A-10 Warthog, but outgoing Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Welsh has his own vision for the next close-air-support platform, which he wants to dispense different kinds of munitions as easily as a soda machine dispenses beverage cans.

Welsh, who is retiring in July, has admitted that the service currently lacks the funding necessary to buy a new close-air support (CAS) plane before the A-10 Warthog retires as early as 2022. Such a program would require more money than is currently expected over the next five years. However, the Air Force remains interested in a new aircraft, and officials are building a draft requirements document that could serve as a starting point for an A-10 replacement.

.../...

Either a clean sheet or an existing design may be able to meet Air Force requirements, depending on the cost and schedule parameters, he said.

"We don't think this would take that long to do. We really don't think it is that complicated of a design problem," he said. "We think we can optimize it for a low to medium threat environment, not a full threat environment. We need something that can keep doing, at much lower cost, the types of things we're doing in those encounters that we see today."

Welsh said he believes that a newer aircraft would cost less to operate than the A-10, which currently eats up about $20,000 per flying hour.

"Let's find something that's $4,000 to $5,000 a flying hour that brings more firepower, that is more responsive. We can do all that. We just don't have the money today to do it. It's not the highest priority for where we have to spend our money."

.../...

"I'd like to build a new CAS airplane right now while we still have the A-10, transition the A-10 community to the new CAS airplane, but we just don't have the money to do it, and we don't have the people to fly the A-10 and build a new airplane and bed it down," he said.

.../...

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2016/06/15/usaf-has-big-plans-but-little-money-a-10-replacement/85937470/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/06/2016 | 13:54 uur
Lockheed Goes on the Offensive in Canada's F-35 Debate   (wordt vervolgd ..... )

VICTORIA, British Columbia - As Canada considers a purchase of Super Hornet fighter jets from Boeing, Lockheed Martin is threatening to cut Canadian companies out of work on the F-35.

But defense analysts and industry sources say such punitive measures could take years to follow through with and might ultimately backfire against the U.S. defense giant.

.../...

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2016/06/15/lockheed-goes-offensive-canadas-f-35-debate/85946166/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/06/2016 | 22:03 uur
Tim Robinson ‏@RAeSTimR  · 6 u6 uur geleden 
Vertaling bekijken

First glimpse of European 6th gen fighter concept? @AirbusDS concept for a FCAS (Future Combat Air System) #avgeek


https://twitter.com/RAeSTimR
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/06/2016 | 22:25 uur
[quote author=jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) link=topic=27836.msg383544#msg383544 First glimpse of European 6th gen fighter concept? @AirbusDS concept for a FCAS (Future Combat Air System) #avgeek

[/quote]

Zou het.....?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 20/06/2016 | 22:27 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/06/2016 | 22:25 uur
[quote author=jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) link=topic=27836.msg383544#msg383544 First glimpse of European 6th gen fighter concept? @AirbusDS concept for a FCAS (Future Combat Air System) #avgeek
Zou het.....?

Zoals ze zelf aangeven, nee, 6e gen is een marketing fabeltje van LM.
Maar dat aan concepten van nieuwe fighters wordt gewerkt is al wel een tijdje duidelijk. Maar verwacht de komende paar jaar nog maar geen grote publiciteit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/06/2016 | 22:35 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 20/06/2016 | 22:27 uur
Zoals ze zelf aangeven, nee, 6e gen is een marketing fabeltje van LM.
Maar dat aan concepten van nieuwe fighters wordt gewerkt is al wel een tijdje duidelijk. Maar verwacht de komende paar jaar nog maar geen grote publiciteit.

Zeker... het is de hoogste tijd als Europa zich niet buiten spel wil plaatsen na de Eendenbekkies.

Kortom: afwachten maar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 20/06/2016 | 22:51 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/06/2016 | 22:35 uur
Zeker... het is de hoogste tijd als Europa zich niet buiten spel wil plaatsen na de Eendenbekkies.
Kortom: afwachten maar. 

Een nieuwe fighter hoeft waarschijnlijk pas na 2030 het levenslicht te zien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/06/2016 | 23:19 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 20/06/2016 | 22:51 uur
Een nieuwe fighter hoeft waarschijnlijk pas na 2030 het levenslicht te zien.

Mee eens, echter gezien de ontwikkeltijd en test periode van opvolgende generatie kisten is er niet veel tijd meer te verliezen, je bent zo 15 á 20 jaar verder.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 20/06/2016 | 23:31 uur
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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 20/06/2016 | 23:33 uur
Daar gaat elk land er minimaal 2 van aanschaffen. Succes verzekerd. Pfff
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/06/2016 | 07:35 uur
Airbus DS defining FCAS aircraft requirements with Bundeswehr

http://www.janes.com/article/61628/airbus-ds-defining-fcas-aircraft-requirements-with-bundeswehr
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 21/06/2016 | 12:51 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 20/06/2016 | 23:33 uur
Daar gaat elk land er minimaal 2 van aanschaffen. Succes verzekerd. Pfff

De EU landen, laat staan de Europese landen, beschikken over een fighter vloot van >1600(-2200) straaljagers. Daar is echt wel ruimte, als we het goed plannen, voor een nieuw Europees toestel in fatsoenlijke aantallen. Ondanks al het budget en capaciteit die we aan de VS hebben gedoneerd. Maar daar moeten we dus wel mee gaan stoppen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/06/2016 | 13:04 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 21/06/2016 | 12:51 uur
De EU landen, laat staan de Europese landen, beschikken over een fighter vloot van >1600(-2200) straaljagers. Daar is echt wel ruimte, als we het goed plannen, voor een nieuw Europees toestel in fatsoenlijke aantallen. Ondanks al het budget en capaciteit die we aan de VS hebben gedoneerd. Maar daar moeten we dus wel mee gaan stoppen.

Voor alle duidelijkheid, het gaat hier om de (Duitse) Tornado vervanger.

Ideaal zou wat mij betreft zijn: drie Europese modellen.

1: zware tweepitter als vervanger van de Tornado - bemand en onbemand.
2: middelzware tweepitter ter vervanging van o.a. de Eurofighter en de Rafale
3: lichte 1 pitter

Probleem bij pt. 1: ik zie alleen Duitsland, de Britten en de Italianen hebben gekozen voor de F35A/B.

Wellicht handiger als ze pt. 1 en 2 combineren,
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 21/06/2016 | 13:23 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/06/2016 | 13:04 uur
Voor alle duidelijkheid, het gaat hier om de (Duitse) Tornado vervanger.

Ideaal zou wat mij betreft zijn: drie Europese modellen.

1: zware tweepitter als vervanger van de Tornado - bemand en onbemand.
2: middelzware tweepitter ter vervanging van o.a. de Eurofighter en de Rafale
3: lichte 1 pitter

Probleem bij pt. 1: ik zie alleen Duitsland, de Britten en de Italianen hebben gekozen voor de F35A/B.

Wellicht handiger als ze pt. 1 en 2 combineren,

Multirole is prima. Zo'n OPV straaljager geloof ik niet zo in. Er moeten sowieso UAV's komen die in staat zijn om een fikse payload af te leveren in een high threat environment.

Wat we echter wel nodig hebben zijn carriers en carrier toestellen, maar ook dat kan alleen als we goed gaan samenwerken. Daarnaast moeten we verder vooruit kijken. Het gaat niet alleen om de huidige Tornado gebruikers. We zijn in Europa met zo'n 36 landen. Het is helemaal niet ondenkbaar dat tegen het 2030 timeframe bijvoorbeeld Polen hier ook gewoon op instapt. Daarbij is het voor de UK nog helemaal niet zo zeker dat de F35 de tornado gaat vervangen in meer dan naam. En wat gaat Spanje bijvoorbeeld doen?

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/06/2016 | 13:30 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 21/06/2016 | 13:23 uur
Multirole is prima. Zo'n OPV straaljager geloof ik niet zo in. Er moeten sowieso UAV's komen die in staat zijn om een fikse payload af te leveren in een high threat environment.

Wat we echter wel nodig hebben zijn carriers en carrier toestellen, maar ook dat kan alleen als we goed gaan samenwerken. Daarnaast moeten we verder vooruit kijken. Het gaat niet alleen om de huidige Tornado gebruikers. We zijn in Europa met zo'n 36 landen. Het is helemaal niet ondenkbaar dat tegen het 2030 timeframe bijvoorbeeld Polen hier ook gewoon op instapt. Daarbij is het voor de UK nog helemaal niet zo zeker dat de F35 de tornado gaat vervangen in meer dan naam. En wat gaat Spanje bijvoorbeeld doen?

Die UCAV's komen er wel en vwb het FACS, ongetwijfeld zullen een aantal Europese landen aanhaken (als het meer is/wordt dan een concept). Maar voor nu is het nog, voor zover bekend, een Duitse alleingang.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 21/06/2016 | 13:36 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/06/2016 | 13:30 uur
Die UCAV's komen er wel en vwb het FACS, ongetwijfeld zullen een aantal Europese landen aanhaken (als het meer is/wordt dan een concept). Maar voor nu is het nog, voor zover bekend, een Duitse alleingang.

Het is ook een vroeg stadium. Overigens hebben de Fransen en Britten vergelijkbare schetsen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/06/2016 | 13:41 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 21/06/2016 | 13:36 uur
Het is ook een vroeg stadium. Overigens hebben de Fransen en Britten vergelijkbare schetsen.

Precies... maar het is een goede zaak om eindelijk wat voorzichtige Europese beweging te zien op dit vlak
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 21/06/2016 | 14:04 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 21/06/2016 | 13:23 uur
...En wat gaat Spanje bijvoorbeeld doen?
Ik zie de Spanjaarden nog niet snel aan een nieuwe defensieproject deelnemen.
Ze hebben recent al
- enkele aankopen stopgezet
- dan wel de bestelling veranderd
- of een deel van de reeds gekochte in het uitstalraam gezet...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 21/06/2016 | 14:28 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 21/06/2016 | 14:04 uur
Ik zie de Spanjaarden nog niet snel aan een nieuwe defensieproject deelnemen.
Ze hebben recent al
- enkele aankopen stopgezet
- dan wel de bestelling veranderd
- of een deel van de reeds gekochte in het uitstalraam gezet...

Klopt, zullen ze vandaag niet op inspringen. Maar uitstellen kan ook niet eeuwig. Verwacht voor 2025 ook geen beweging daar, maar daarna kan het alle kanten op.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/06/2016 | 17:01 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 21/06/2016 | 13:23 uur
Daarbij is het voor de UK nog helemaal niet zo zeker dat de F35 de tornado gaat vervangen in meer dan naam.

Het was ook niet de bedoeling dat de F-35B de Tornado Gr.4/4A vloot gaat vervangen, maar na de end of service date in 2019 heeft de RAF noodgedwongen alleen nog de Typhoon en eerst genoemde.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 21/06/2016 | 19:43 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 21/06/2016 | 17:01 uur
Het was ook niet de bedoeling dat de F-35B de Tornado Gr.4/4A vloot gaat vervangen, maar na de end of service date in 2019 heeft de RAF noodgedwongen alleen nog de Typhoon en eerst genoemde.
Ik vermoed(en hoop) dat een gedeelte van de order wordt omgezet in de F-35A variant, als ze de geplande 138 stuks daadwerkelijk gaan halen.
De F-35B is de duurste en minst effectieve variant dus minimaal aantal om de QE klasse te kunnen voorzien en voor de rest de F-35A als vervanging voor de tornado.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 21/06/2016 | 20:48 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 21/06/2016 | 19:43 uur
Ik vermoed(en hoop) dat een gedeelte van de order wordt omgezet in de F-35A variant, als ze de geplande 138 stuks daadwerkelijk gaan halen.
De F-35B is de duurste en minst effectieve variant dus minimaal aantal om de QE klasse te kunnen voorzien en voor de rest de F-35A als vervanging voor de tornado.

Ik vermoed, en hoop, dat de Tornado vervangen gaat worden door een mix van Typhoons en UCAV's.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 21/06/2016 | 21:15 uur
Brazilian Navy eyes Saab Sea Gripen

Brazilian Naval Aviation, during the roll-out of the Saab Gripen E in Sweden in May, visited Saab facilities for updates on the development of a Sea Gripen version that was proposed to the force, sources told IHS Jane's .

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A computer-generated impression of the Saab Gripen E in Brazilian colours. The Brazilian Air Force has signed for 28 single-seat Gripen E and eight twin-seat Gripen F aircraft.

Saab has been working on a naval version of the Gripen NG for a sometime, and in 2013 a model of Brazilian aircraft carrier NAe São Paulo was pictured at the LAAD defence exhibition with Sea Gripens on its flight deck and with Brazilian colours.

Still, a Sea Gripen is currently only a project and is awaiting a political decision in Brazil or another country to buy it.

http://www.janes.com/article/61360/brazilian-navy-eyes-saab-sea-gripen
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/06/2016 | 07:22 uur
Egyptian Additional 12 Rafale Order May Delay Indian Deliveries Further

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/16395/Egyptian_Additional_12_Rafale_Order_May_Delay_Indian_Deliveries_Further#.V2ogPFzTUm8.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 22/06/2016 | 18:02 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/06/2016 | 07:22 uur
Egyptian Additional 12 Rafale Order May Delay Indian Deliveries Further
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/16395/Egyptian_Additional_12_Rafale_Order_May_Delay_Indian_Deliveries_Further#.V2ogPFzTUm8.twitter
Wie eerst komt, eerst maalt - zou i zo even zeggen.
De Indiers hebben al lang genoeg getreuzeld en de Egyptenaren maken er blijkbaar niet zo'n poespas van.
Moet toch lekker zijn, zo kunnen shoppen met andermans geld ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/06/2016 | 18:17 uur
F-35 Engine Upgrade Gathers Pace

Guy Norris | Aviation Week & Space Technology | June 22, 2016

An advanced compressor, combined with turbine, form core of proposed F135 upgrade

As Pratt & Whitney nears completion of the extensive F135 system development and demonstration (SDD) program for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter engine, the company is revealing new details of a proposed upgrade that could cut fuel burn by as much as 7% on aircraft entering service by the early 2020s.

The upgrade package builds on a fuel-burn reduction technology effort driven by the U.S. Navy and an improved compressor developed by Pratt. Initial test results have been positive and are "building a lot of confidence" that the combination could be introduced as a relatively straightforward "drop-in" upgrade package, says Jimmy Kenyon, senior director of advanced programs and technology at Pratt & Whitney.

However, Pratt stresses that the potential upgrade, which would offer extended range and engine life to all F-35 variants, will have to be sold to the program before it becomes a reality. This not part of the JSF program, Kenyon says. "It is a Navy technology demonstration, but right now we are talking to the Joint Program Office, the services and the partners [about how to transition the technology] into some sort of modernization program that would follow-on from SDD. There's a long way to go," he cautions.

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Parts for Pratt's proposed F135 upgrade will be designed for drop-in replacement during depot visits. Credit: Pratt & Whitney

The fuel-burn reduction program, initially demonstrated on the modified F135 test engine XTE68/LF beginning in 2013, "has made a lot of progress," says Kenyon. "The Navy is trying to demonstrate on the test stand a 5% improvement in fuel burn, and when we transition it to the final product there are some other things [with the compressor and turbine] we can do to integrate it into the aircraft that will yield 5-7% projected fuel-burn improvement," he adds. Working with the Navy, Pratt is taking the turbine-cooling technology tested on XTE68/LF "and maturing that design. Instead of pushing the temperature, we are buying margin, allowing us to improve the efficiency of that part of the cycle."

The improved design is focused on changes to the aerodynamics of the six integrated bladed rotors that form the high-pressure compressor module; it "takes advantage of the advances in aero design capability that have happened since the start of the F135 program," Kenyon says. The revised configuration was rig tested at AneCom AeroTest's facility in Wildau, Germany, in 2015. "We got the performance we expected and which we need out of that compressor to enable the overall engine improvement. So that becomes a big risk reduction for the program and that compressor design now is going into the engine demonstrator," says Kenyon. The integrated test is expected to take place early in 2017.

he Navy, meanwhile, has "put hard constraints" on the extent of the changes to simplify eventual integration of the upgrades into the existing engine, says Kenyon. "We can't mess with the diameter because it has to be retrofitable and variant-common. So whether it is increasing thrust, or fuel-burn reduction, or if the Marine Corps needs additional powered lift [for the F135-600-powered F-35B short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing variant] this gives you that capability." Maintaining commonality with the existing footprint of today's turbine and compressor sections minimizes cost and reduces disruption. "This is a big deal," says Kenyon. "It allows you to do this at the first depot interval."

The concept is designed for "downward compatibility," says F135 Vice President Mark Buongiorno. "By the time it cuts into production, if there are 1,000 aircraft, then you get the opportunity to bring [all of them] up to that current standard. That's a significant number, and it is therefore important to keep the support of the international partners, some of which will have the majority of their aircraft delivered by then. That's how the program will really continue to progress."

Although initial runs of the combined engine upgrade package will begin as a technology demonstrator next year, Pratt is realistic about the time line for potential introduction. "You still have to qualify it on the airplane," says Kenyon. "The sooner you start it, the sooner it becomes available. As you look at opportunities to get that started, you are probably looking at early to mid-2020s."

In the nearer term, Pratt is positioning to improve the performance of the first stage of the F135 three-stage fan via a production change. The company is switching to a new linear friction-weld manufacturing process that will see the current hollow design replaced with a solid blade. "It's a more efficient design and thinner," says Buongiorno. The machine, which is one of the largest of its type in the world, is undergoing commissioning in Pratt's Compressor System Module Center in Middletown, Connecticut, and more than doubles Pratt's capacity to do friction welding.  The change will be available in 2017.

This article was first published for Aviation Week & Space Technology subscribers on June 16, 2016.

http://aviationweek.com/defense/f-35-engine-upgrade-gathers-pace?NL=AW-05&Issue=AW-05_20160622_AW-05_554&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_1&utm_rid=CPEN1000001583389&utm_campaign=6275&utm_medium=email&elq2=0d7c4067542e4e4aab9456438524beb7
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/06/2016 | 09:55 uur
Indian deal for 36 Rafales moves forward (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/indian-deal-for-36-rafales-moves-forward-426617/)

US pursuing smaller, hybrid block buy for F-35 (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-pursuing-smaller-hybrid-block-buy-for-f-35-426610/)

More F-35 orders remain on horizon for Israel (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/more-f-35-orders-remain-on-horizon-for-israel-426609/)

Eurofighter partners target fresh Typhoon sales (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/eurofighter-partners-target-fresh-typhoon-sales-426595/)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/06/2016 | 13:57 uur
Trudeau refuses to commit to open competition to replace Canada's aging CF-18 fighter jets

Lee Berthiaume, Ottawa Citizen | June 22, 2016

OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau refused to say on Wednesday whether his government will hold an open competition to replace Canada's CF-18 fighter jets — despite having made it one of his key election promises.

The Liberals said during last year's election that they would hold a competition for new jets but not buy the F-35 if they formed government. During a press conference to mark the rise of Parliament for the summer, Trudeau was asked for an update on those two commitments.

Canadians expect the Liberal government to provide the equipment the Canadian Armed Forces need to keep the country safe and fulfill Canada's international commitments with "the right process and at the right price," Trudeau told reporters.

We are working very, very hard and thoughtfully to ensure that we deliver to our forces the right jets the right way at the right price.

Military procurement has been "significantly messy over the last few years," he added, and the government is working "extremely hard to ensure that we deliver to our Canadian forces the jets they need in a responsible and in the right way."

Asked if that meant there would not be a competition, Trudeau repeated: "We are working very, very hard and thoughtfully to ensure that we deliver to our forces the right jets the right way at the right price. That's what Canadians expect of us, and that's what we are going to be doing."

The previous Conservative government announced in 2010 that Canada would be buying 65 F-35 stealth fighters without a competition. The Liberals, who at the time were in third place in the House of Commons, were extremely critical of the decision not to hold a competition.

In a January 2011 blog post, then-Liberal industry critic Marc Garneau, who is now minister of transport, wrote: "Canada needs to hold a proper competition for its next fighter aircraft. Billions of dollars of your money are at stake."

However, sources told Postmedia this month that the Liberals were now leaning toward buying Super Hornet fighter jets without a competition. The government says no decision has been made, but critics allege the Liberals are scared of holding an open competition because the F-35 might win.

The F-35 has previously won competitions in South Korea, Japan and Denmark. Ironically, the Conservatives and Lockheed Martin, the company that makes the F-35, have both been pressing for an open competition in recent weeks.

The Liberals have been careful not to bad mouth the F-35 since winning last October's election. The strongest words came from Trudeau earlier this month, when he told the House of Commons in French that the stealth fighter "does not work, and is far from working."

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/trudeau-refuses-to-commit-to-open-competition-to-replace-canadas-aging-cf-18-fighter-jets
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/06/2016 | 20:21 uur
PICTURE: Su-30 MKI flies first sortie with BrahMos missile

By Greg Waldron, Singapore | 27 June 2016

An Indian air force Sukhoi Su-30 MKI aircraft has carried a BrahMos supersonic cruise missile aloft for the first time, a key milestone toward the eventual deployment of the capability.

The twin-seat aircraft carried the 2,500kg missile during a 45 minute sortie from the Hindustan Aeronautics airport in Bengaluru, said the Indian aerospace firm in a statement.

The aircraft is the first of two Su-30 MKIs to be modified to test the missile, says HAL. Eventually, 40 air force Su-30s will be equipped to carry the missile.

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Hindustan Aeronautics

The first flight carrying the weapon will be followed by a series of test flights.

Developed locally in India, the BrahMos missile has an active radar seeker and can achieve speeds of up to Mach three. It is powered by two stages: a solid propellant booster takes the missile to supersonic speeds, at which point a ramjet takes over.

The missile can be launched from land, sea, and air. The air-launched version has larger fins to help stability when separating from an aircraft.

It has a published range of 290km. The missile has a 200-300kg warhead, with its lethality enhanced by the missile's high velocity.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/picture-su-30-mki-flies-first-sortie-with-brahmos-m-426705/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/06/2016 | 21:35 uur
Japan Issues Request For Information On Fighter Options

Bradley Perrett   |   Aviation Week & Space Technology   |   June 24, 2016

Japan's defense ministry is requesting information for its next fighter program, taking an early step toward an acquisition that will shape the country's air force in the middle of the century and perhaps result in a domestic development effort.

The ministry is seeking information on three alternatives: creating a new fighter type, modifying an existing one or importing. The aim is to replace the Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd. (MHI) F-2.

There are strong reasons to suspect that the ministry would only be satisfied with a new type, since no fighter now in production comes close to concept designs of the past few years that likely show what it really wants: a large, twin-engine aircraft with long endurance and internal carriage of six big air-to-air missiles.

That does not necessarily mean foreign companies will be wasting their time by responding, however. Even a domestic program led by MHI and engine builder IHI Corp., if affordable, would benefit from foreign guidance and technology.

For new designs, the ministry's acquisition, technology and logistics agency has requested information on respondents' capabilities and latest technology. For upgrades and straight imports, it wants to know about the current aircraft. In seeking the data, it is not using the conventional term "request for information," but that is clearly what the exercise amounts to. Responses are due by July 5.

Four categories of companies have been invited to respond: those that have built airframes or engines, those that can show they have knowledge of developing and building them, trading companies and consultancies. The first group, manufacturers, most obviously includes MHI and IHI—and maybe such suppliers as Boeing, BAE Systems, Dassault and Saab, if they are not expected to go through trading companies. The second category appears to create an opening for such companies as Israel Aerospace Industries, which have not built fighters of entirely their own design but know a thing or two about the technology.

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The trading companies have been invited because they are a routine and peculiar element of Japanese defense equipment importation, acting as local intermediaries. In the F-X program that Lockheed Martin secured in 2011 with the F-35 Lightning, for example, the winning bid's Japanese trading company was Mitsubishi Corp., while Itochu represented Boeing and the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. Sumitomo Corp. represented Eurofighter and the Typhoon.

The Japanese government is due to decide by the fiscal year beginning April 2018 how to replace the F-2. A new type's entry into service around 2030 has been expected, so the chosen type will serve well into the second half of the century.

MHI, IHI and other Japanese companies have been working on laying the technical foundation for a domestic type that would closely fit the ministry's requirements. That or a gross modification of a foreign aircraft would be called the F-3.

The government would have to vastly increase its defense research and development budget to create an all-new F-3. In no year since 1988 has the country spent more than ¥173 billion ($1.64 billion at today's exchange rates) on military R&D (see chart). Peak annual spending on F-2 development was about ¥100 billion. The F-3's expected development cost is unknown, but the U.S. spent $30.4 billion on developing the Lockheed Martin F-22, which is quite comparable to concept designs of the F-3 published by the ministry's Technical Research and Development Institute (TRDI). On the other hand, the F-2, based on—but larger than—the Lockheed Martin F-16, cost only ¥360 billion to develop more than two decades ago.

The F-2 is a strike fighter, but Japan clearly does not want to buy another. TRDI's concept designs unambiguously emphasize the counterair role. The institute calculates that fighters with long endurance and therefore greater numbers on station would be more useful than those with better flight performance in battle. They would engage targets at great range with internally stowed missiles that, low-resolution drawings suggest, would be ramjet-powered.

TRDI's concepts also include stealthy airframes.

Among the politically and technically acceptable aircraft that could conceivably be updated or imported unchanged to replace the F-2, the Boeing F-15 has been in Japanese service since the 1980s. It may offer the endurance Japan wants, but it lacks weapon bays and the most demanding stealth features. So does the F/A-18E/F, though limited internal missile capacity in pods has been proposed for both types. The Typhoon, Dassault Rafale and Saab Gripen E/F have similar limitations and probably fall short of Japan's endurance requirement. The stealthy F-35 has only limited internal weapon stowage and is probably also too short-legged.

No foreign development program has a concrete schedule that would supply Japan with an acceptable aircraft, though the U.S. Navy and Air Force have requirements that may approximately match Tokyo's targeted timing and performance.

http://aviationweek.com/defense/japan-issues-request-information-fighter-options
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/06/2016 | 18:23 uur
PICTURES: F-35B touches down in UK for show debut

By Craig Hoyle, London | 29 June 2016

Two years after the US Marine Corps' planned first transatlantic crossing with the short take-off and vertical landing F-35B was thwarted by an engine fire, a trio of the jets have touched down at RAF Fairford in the UK.

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Crown Copyright

Arriving at the US Air Force-operated site late on 29 June, the aircraft include two USMC examples and one UK aircraft used to support initial operational test and evaluation of the Joint Strike Fighter in the USA. Piloted by Royal Air Force Sqn Ldr Hugh Nichols, the latter – ZM137 – is one of three delivered to the UK customer so far for this purpose.

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Mark Kwiatkowski

The visiting USMC aircraft are drawn from its VMFAT-501 training unit, stationed at MCAS Beaufort in South Carolina.

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Crown Copyright

While in the country, the F-35Bs will first participate in the Royal International Air Tattoo, to take place at RAF Fairford from 8-10 July. A show highlight will involve the UK aircraft taking part in a formation flypast with a pair of Eurofighter Typhoons and the RAF's Red Arrows aerobatic display team.

After the type's starring role during RIAT, Lightning IIs will also take off from the base to join the flying display during the Farnborough air show in Hampshire. The US Air Force is also scheduled to deploy the conventional take-off and landing F-35A for both events.

The USMC declared initial operational capability with the F-35B late last year, and service entry with the UK is scheduled to occur during 2018, when the RAF's 617 Sqn will begin using the fifth-generation fighter.

Get all the coverage from Farnborough Air Show on our dedicated landing page

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-f-35b-touches-down-in-uk-for-show-debut-426833/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/07/2016 | 17:08 uur
First In-Flight Refueling for the 61st Wing's T-346

Source: Italian air force; issued June 30, 2016
Issued in Italian; unofficial translation by Defense-Aerospace.com

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An Aermacchi M-346A advanced jet trainer operated by the Italian air force's 61st Fighter Wing carried out its first in-flight refueling in late June, from one of the service's KC-767A air tankers. (Italian AF photo)

On June 27, two T-346A and two FT-339C jet trainers belonging to the 61st Wing at Galatina (near Lecce) have carried out an in-flight refueling mission from a KC-767A tanker aircraft blonging to the 14th Wing at Pratica di Mare, near Rome.

For the Flight School's T-346, this was the first-ever Air-to-Air Refueling (AAR) mission, but for the unit's MB-339 aircraft, however, it was the first AAR from the KC-767A.

The sorties very accurately reproduced a classic operating profile: after a medium altitude transit to the refueling area (over the island of Ponza), the procedures for approach, mating and fuel transfer were implemented successively, and the flight then continued by simulating an operational mission.

The activity, which involved the pilots of the 61st Wing's 212 Squadron, was made possible by the tanker support and mission coordination by the Air Operations Command (AOC) of Poggio Renatico.

It was a concerted and shared effort which allowed students to resume training in a very challenging flight profile.

Refueling with the T-346, given that its flight characteristics are similar to more complex fighter aircraft, has proved particularly effective from the training point of view.

The 212th Squadron is the unit that provides advanced training for pilots destined for tactical combat aircraft. The course is the Lead-In Fighter Training - LIFT – and lasts about eight months, during which students learn the basic elements of operating fast fighter aircraft, by flying typical profiles of ground attack missions and air-to-air combat.

In addition to flight instruction, students also follow an intensive theoretical training program and various courses to the ground, including a basic course on "intelligence."

The aircraft used for the LIFT course are the Aermacchi FT339C and, since last August, the new T-346A.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/175186/first-air_to_air-refueling-for-italian-air-force-t_346a.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/07/2016 | 17:10 uur
Russia's Defense Ministry to Start Receiving T-50 Fighter Jets In 2018

Source: TASS Defense; published July 4, 2016

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Russia's deputy defense minister has announced that the Russian air force will receive its first Sukhoi T-50 stealth fighters in 2018, much earlier than expected in the West. (Sukhoi photo)

MOSCOW --- Russia's Defense Ministry will start receiving T-50 PAK FA (Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation) fighter jets in 2018, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said during a visit to the Aircraft-Manufacturing Enterprise in Komsomolsk-on-Amur in the Russian Far East.

While checking the fulfillment of the 2016 state defense order, Borisov was shown assembly workshops and the process of the production of the PAK FA fighter jet.

"A test batch of T-50 planes is currently being manufactured. We are planning to sign a contract for their serial production in 2017 and start receiving them in 2018," Borisov said.

The deputy defense minister was also shown the process of the production of the Sukhoi Su-35S (NATO reporting name: Flanker-E) fighter jet.

"Last year, we signed a contract for the upgrade of four Su-27 [Flanker] planes that will be delivered to us in 2017," Borisov said, adding that virtually all the planes were staying at the final assembly workshop.

"This allows us to be sure that the entire 2016 state defense order will be fulfilled before November 25," the deputy defense minister said.

The fifth-generation PAK FA fighter jet is currently undergoing trials. The fighter jet performed the first flight in 2010.

It was reported earlier that the T-50 plane would complete its state trials in 2016 and its serial deliveries would start in 2017.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/175202/sukhoi-t_50-fighter-deliveries-to-begin-in-2018.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2016 | 08:24 uur
RAF hints that UK could still opt for mixed F-35 fleet

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/raf-hints-that-uk-could-still-opt-for-mixed-f-35-fle-427136/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 09/07/2016 | 11:00 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 04/07/2016 | 17:10 uur
Russia's Defense Ministry to Start Receiving T-50 Fighter Jets In 2018

Source: TASS Defense; published July 4, 2016

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Russia's deputy defense minister has announced that the Russian air force will receive its first Sukhoi T-50 stealth fighters in 2018, much earlier than expected in the West. (Sukhoi photo)

MOSCOW --- Russia's Defense Ministry will start receiving T-50 PAK FA (Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation) fighter jets in 2018, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said during a visit to the Aircraft-Manufacturing Enterprise in Komsomolsk-on-Amur in the Russian Far East.

While checking the fulfillment of the 2016 state defense order, Borisov was shown assembly workshops and the process of the production of the PAK FA fighter jet.

"A test batch of T-50 planes is currently being manufactured. We are planning to sign a contract for their serial production in 2017 and start receiving them in 2018," Borisov said.

The deputy defense minister was also shown the process of the production of the Sukhoi Su-35S (NATO reporting name: Flanker-E) fighter jet.

"Last year, we signed a contract for the upgrade of four Su-27 [Flanker] planes that will be delivered to us in 2017," Borisov said, adding that virtually all the planes were staying at the final assembly workshop.

"This allows us to be sure that the entire 2016 state defense order will be fulfilled before November 25," the deputy defense minister said.

The fifth-generation PAK FA fighter jet is currently undergoing trials. The fighter jet performed the first flight in 2010.

It was reported earlier that the T-50 plane would complete its state trials in 2016 and its serial deliveries would start in 2017.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/175202/sukhoi-t_50-fighter-deliveries-to-begin-in-2018.html

Ze rammen die vliegtuigen er ook doorheen, maargoed ik denk niet dat de Russen in staat zijn er veel af te nemen, de infrastructuur zal ook ontbreken voor een dergelijk vliegtuig op de meeste Russische basissen, ze hebben het geld niet en of hij dan direct OG is.... ik denk het niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 09/07/2016 | 11:05 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2016 | 08:24 uur
RAF hints that UK could still opt for mixed F-35 fleet

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/raf-hints-that-uk-could-still-opt-for-mixed-f-35-fle-427136/
:(
F-35B... Of hoe politici in de UK een potentieel fantastisch project voor de Royal Navy verkloot hebben.
Twee grote carriers bouwen in een configuratie die hun potentieel enorm beknotten.
En dan te weten dat ze besteld werden om de werkgelegenheid in de (vooral) Schotse (marine-)scheepsbouw in leven te houden.
Capaciteiten en uitrusting van die carriers was pure bijzaak.
En dan de onkunde van de Conservatives regering die het project alsnog een andere richting ging insturen (met grote kosten voor die studie) maar dan overstag moest gaan vanwege... de extra grote kosten die daaraan gingen verbonden zijn.
Hiermee kan niemand gelukkig zijn.
De Fransen hebben dan maar een carrier (waaraan lang gebouwd werd en er ook problemen mee zijn) maar het ding wordt veel ingezet en heeft in combinatie met de SEMs, Rafale M's en Hawkeyes toch al goed bewezen dat dit een geweldig wapensysteem is.
Ik vind het enorm jammer dat beide naties niet tot een gezamenlijk ontwerp gekomen zijn waaruit drie carriers zouden geresulteerd zijn (twee Britse en een tweede Franse).
Veel jammerlijk gemiste kansen... zowel voor beide naties als hun producenten... (scheepsbouwers, Dassault en leveranciers...) :'(
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2016 | 11:37 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 09/07/2016 | 11:05 uur

Ik vind het enorm jammer dat beide naties niet tot een gezamenlijk ontwerp gekomen zijn waaruit drie caririers zouden geresulteerd zijn (twee Britse en een tweede Franse).
Veel jammelrlijk gemiste kansen... zowel voor beide naties als hun producenten... (scheepsbouwers, Dassault en leveranciers...)

Zeker een gemiste kans en dat voor slechts geld en erger een gebrek aan visie.

Wil Europa meer op eigen benen kunnen staan, al dan niet binnen de NAVO, dan horen daar ook voldoende kapitale middelen bij waarvan wij nu onvoldoende hebben of die volledig ontbreken.

4 Carriers van enige omvang voor Europa zijn geen overbodige luxe, aangevuld met een aantal LHD's welke in staat zijn om met F35B te kunnen opereren.

De lijst met gebreken, tekortkomingen en ontbrekende middelen om als Europa autonoom te kunnen acteren is lang... veel te lang. (Libië heef dit keihard aangetoond en sindsdien is er niet veel veranderd)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 09/07/2016 | 11:44 uur
4 carriers voor Europa vind ik veel en veel te weinig.

2 x GB
2 x Fr
2 x NL/Du
2 x Ita
2 x Esp/portugal

Zoiets lijkt me een stuk handiger. Als je kijkt hoe Europa afhankelijk is van de zee, de toegang en de handel en dan ook nog eens in het achterhoofd dat we misschien ooit wel aan power projection moeten gaan doen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2016 | 11:51 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 09/07/2016 | 11:44 uur
4 carriers voor Europa vind ik veel en veel te weinig.

2 x GB
2 x Fr
2 x NL/Du
2 x Ita
2 x Esp/portugal

Zoiets lijkt me een stuk handiger. Als je kijkt hoe Europa afhankelijk is van de zee, de toegang en de handel en dan ook nog eens in het achterhoofd dat we misschien ooit wel aan power projection moeten gaan doen.

4 van het formaat >40K ton+ en 8-10 LHD van rond de 20K ton incl F35B is denk ik eerder te realiseren dan 10 volwaardige carriers.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 09/07/2016 | 11:56 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 09/07/2016 | 11:05 uur
:(
F-35B... Of hoe politici in de UK een potentieel fantastisch project voor de Royal Navy verkloot hebben.
Twee grote carriers bouwen in een configuratie die hun potentieel enorm beknotten.
En dan te weten dat ze besteld werden om de werkgelegenheid in de (vooral) Schotse (marine-)scheepsbouw in leven te houden.
Capaciteiten en uitrusting van die carriers was pure bijzaak.
En dan de onkunde van de Conservatives regering die het project alsnog een andere richting ging insturen (met grote kosten voor die studie) maar dan overstag moest gang vanwege... de extra grote kosten die daaraan gingen verbonden zijn.
Hiermee kan niemand gelukkig zijn.
De Fransen hebben dan maar een carrier (waaraan lang gebouwd werd en er ook problemen mee zijn) maar het ding wordt veel ingezet en heeft in combinatie met de SEMs, Rafale M's en Hawkeyes toch al goed bewezen dat dit een geweldig wapensysteem is.
Ik vind het enorm jammer dat beide naties niet tot een gezamenlijk ontwerp gekomen zijn waaruit drie caririers zouden geresulteerd zijn (twee Britse en een tweede Franse).
Veel jammelrlijk gemiste kansen... zowel voor beide naties als hun producenten... (scheepsbouwers, Dassault en leveranciers...) :'(
+1
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2016 | 14:19 uur
De aanschaf prijs van de F35A daalt in LRIP10 naar rond de €90 mjn - exclusief BTW. (Volgens de wisselkoers van 9 juli 2016)

Goed nieuws voor defensie immers de dalende trend zet door richting de US$85 mjn inclusief motor.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-airshow-britain-lockheed-fighter-cont-idUSKCN0ZN18R
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/07/2016 | 17:00 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2016 | 08:24 uur
RAF hints that UK could still opt for mixed F-35 fleet

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/raf-hints-that-uk-could-still-opt-for-mixed-f-35-fle-427136/

Hoe groot schatten jullie de kans dat de RAF zowel de F-35B als de F-35A zal gaan vliegen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 09/07/2016 | 17:20 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/07/2016 | 17:00 uur
Hoe groot schatten jullie de kans dat de RAF zowel de F-35B als de F-35A zal gaan vliegen?

Als de F35b echt zo dramatisch presteert als wordt beweerd in de rapporten, zou het me niet verbazen. Lijkt me geen goed idee trouwens.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 09/07/2016 | 17:21 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2016 | 11:51 uur
4 van het formaat >40K ton+ en 8-10 LHD van rond de 20K ton incl F35B is denk ik eerder te realiseren dan 10 volwaardige carriers.

Hier wat off-topic, maar een LHD kan alleen overweg met een F35B, en dat lijkt een drama, zonde van het geld dus.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2016 | 17:38 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 09/07/2016 | 17:21 uur
Hier wat off-topic, maar een LHD kan alleen overweg met een F35B, en dat lijkt een drama, zonde van het geld dus.

Niet als het en/en is. 12 F35B per LHD icm een aantal V-22 in een tanker rol.

Persoonlijk zou ik liever een aantal Europese flattops zien in het volgende decennium met een mix aan CATOBAR middelen - fighters en UCAV - echter dit zie ik vooralsnog, naast Frankrijk, geen enkel Europees doen.

Engeland was goed op weg.... maar ja politici...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/07/2016 | 17:42 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2016 | 17:38 uur
Niet als het en/en is. 12 F35B per LHD icm een aantal V-22 in een tanker rol.

Dan kan net zo goed een STOVL vliegdekschip à la de Cavour worden gebruikt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2016 | 18:05 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/07/2016 | 17:42 uur
Dan kan net zo goed een STOVL vliegdekschip à la de Cavour worden gebruikt.

Zeker...

Je ziet ook een beweging in de VS die pleit voor meer kleinere carriers ipv 100k ton exemplaren, dit in het kader van de verhoogde kwetsbaarheid van de mega schepen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2016 | 18:06 uur
UK Air Force Mulls F-35A Benefits as US Jets Visit England

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/air-force/2016/07/09/f35-uk-british-air-force/86892660/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2016 | 18:23 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 09/07/2016 | 17:20 uur
Als de F35b echt zo dramatisch presteert als wordt beweerd in de rapporten, zou het me niet verbazen. Lijkt me geen goed idee trouwens.

Dan zou juist een combi meerwaarde bieden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/07/2016 | 18:35 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2016 | 18:23 uur

Dan zou juist combi meerwaarde bieden.

En de samenwerking tussen de RAF, de KLu, de Noorse en de Italiaanse luchtmacht zou in die situatie vanwege F-35A dan mogelijk nog sterker worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2016 | 18:38 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/07/2016 | 18:35 uur
En de samenwerking tussen de RAF, de KLu, de Noorse en de Italiaanse luchtmacht zou in die situatie vanwege F-35A dan mogelijk nog sterker worden.

Exact en wij een aantal F35B voor een toekomstige LHD  (ik zal de wekker vast zetten)  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 10/07/2016 | 02:30 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2016 | 18:38 uur
Exact en wij een aantal F35B voor een toekomstige LHD  (ik zal de wekker vast zetten)  :angel:
:(  Are you crazy ?  You Fool !

Trinnnnggg (wekker gaat af), wake up call.
De 40.500 ton metende Wasp klasse LHD's kunnen maar 6 a 10 F-35B's meenemen.
De F-35B kan slechts 1 sortie per 2 dagen uitvoeren !
De F-35B is qua nuttige lading - bereik verhouding vergelijkbaar met de Hawker Hunter uit de Fifties.
De F-35B is net als de F-35A en F-35C geen partij voor MiG-29 t/m -35 en Sukhoi-27 t/m -35 familie, want acceleratie, klimvermogen en wendbaarheid zijn vergelijkbaar met F-4E Phantom en F-5E Tiger.
De Falkland oorlog liet al zien dat de ca. 20.000 tons Invincible klasse te klein was om een effectief aantal jachtvliegtuigen mee te nemen.  De F-35B is groter en zwaarder, dus wordt dat probleem nog groter.
De JSF idealen voorzagen een jachtvliegtuig familie die voor 70% gelijk aan elkaar (commonality) zouden zijn.
In werkelijkheid zijn de F-35A, F-35B en F-35C slechts 20 - 25 % gelijk aan elkaar, dus je krijgt te maken met 2 logistieke staarten.
Etcetera ... etcetera.

Do I need to say more ?

NO. 

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 10/07/2016 | 11:30 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 10/07/2016 | 02:30 uur
:(  Are you crazy ?  You Fool !

Trinnnnggg (wekker gaat af), wake up call.
De 40.500 ton metende Wasp klasse LHD's kunnen maar 6 a 10 F-35B's meenemen.
De F-35B kan slechts 1 sortie per 2 dagen uitvoeren !
De F-35B is qua nuttige lading - bereik verhouding vergelijkbaar met de Hawker Hunter uit de Fifties.
De F-35B is net als de F-35A en F-35C geen partij voor MiG-29 t/m -35 en Sukhoi-27 t/m -35 familie, want acceleratie, klimvermogen en wendbaarheid zijn vergelijkbaar met F-4E Phantom en F-5E Tiger.
De Falkland oorlog liet al zien dat de ca. 20.000 tons Invincible klasse te klein was om een effectief aantal jachtvliegtuigen mee te nemen.  De F-35B is groter en zwaarder, dus wordt dat probleem nog groter.
De JSF idealen voorzagen een jachtvliegtuig familie die voor 70% gelijk aan elkaar (commonality) zouden zijn.
In werkelijkheid zijn de F-35A, F-35B en F-35C slechts 20 - 25 % gelijk aan elkaar, dus je krijgt te maken met 2 logistieke staarten.
Etcetera ... etcetera.

Do I need to say more ?

NO. 



Een LHD met een hoekdek en dan de Sea Gripen als alternatief. Wat je zegt dat de Wasp klasse LHD's  maar  6 a 10 F-35B's kunnen meenemen dat is de standaard aantal. als een Wasp Klasse LHD haar  4 Bell AH-1Z Vipers, 4+ MV-22 Osprey, 4 × CH-53E Super Stallion  thuis laat dan kunnen er meer  F-35B's vervoerd worden.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasp-class_amphibious_assault_ship
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/07/2016 | 11:41 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 10/07/2016 | 11:30 uur
Een LHD met een hoekdek en dan de Sea Gripen als alternatief.

Als die ooit van de grond komt, dan zou ik daar voor zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Robert2 op 10/07/2016 | 12:07 uur
Je hebt luchtkastelen en je hebt luchtkastelen. Maar deze? Man, man, man.

Gebruik dit topic svp alleen voor realistische, actuele ontwikkelingen / updates, in plaats van dat constante smijten met allerlei wazige constructies van vliegtuigen en weet ik het. Maak er een apart topic voor of gebruik de al bestaande, zodat het hier alleen bij de feiten blijft. Want anders blijf ik maar door de eindeloze luchtkastelen heen bladeren, terwijl ik gewoon de actualiteit wil lezen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/07/2016 | 12:14 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 10/07/2016 | 11:30 uur
Een LHD met een hoekdek en dan de Sea Gripen als alternatief.

Als je de Queen Elizabeth-klasse voorziet van een dok, dan heb je bovenstaande.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 10/07/2016 | 12:50 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 10/07/2016 | 12:14 uur
Als je de Queen Elizabeth-klasse voorziet van een dok, dan heb je bovenstaande.

Nee want de  Queen Elizabeth-klasse heeft geen hoekdek maar een ski jump.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/07/2016 | 13:21 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 10/07/2016 | 12:50 uur
Nee want de  Queen Elizabeth-klasse heeft geen hoekdek maar een ski jump.

In het vliegdek van deze klasse zit een hoekdek. Als zij voor de CATOBAR versie i.p.v. STOVL waren gegaan, dan was er niets aan deze hoekdek veranderd. De oppervlakte zonder ski jump was dan hetzelfde. Althans volgens de vele illustraties van de fabrikant.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/07/2016 | 13:25 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 10/07/2016 | 13:21 uur
In het vliegdek van deze klasse zit een hoekdek. Als zij voor de CATOBAR versie i.p.v. STOVL waren gegaan, dan was er niets aan deze hoekdek veranderd. De oppervlakte zonder ski jump was dan hetzelfde. Althans volgens de vele illustraties van de fabrikant.

In deze klasse kan een theoretische SeaGripen opereren vanaf de schans en is CATOBAR geen noodzaak.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 10/07/2016 | 14:31 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2016 | 18:23 uur
Dan zou juist een combi meerwaarde bieden.

Op het eerste oog wel.
Echter, de 2 carriers kunnen beide uit de voeten met >40 F35B's, daarnaast zijn er een aantal nodig voor vredesverliezen en operationele verliezen, opleiding en evaluatie squadrons etc. Van de 136 zouden er dus maximaal ~36 een A variant kunnen zijn, zonder de Naval air arm ernstig onder druk te zetten. Bij een dergelijk klein aantal is het m.i. misschien verstandiger om gewoon in te zetten op UAV's of extra Typhoons.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/07/2016 | 15:53 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 10/07/2016 | 14:31 uur
Op het eerste oog wel.
Echter, de 2 carriers kunnen beide uit de voeten met >40 F35B's, daarnaast zijn er een aantal nodig voor vredesverliezen en operationele verliezen, opleiding en evaluatie squadrons etc. Van de 136 zouden er dus maximaal ~36 een A variant kunnen zijn, zonder de Naval air arm ernstig onder druk te zetten. Bij een dergelijk klein aantal is het m.i. misschien verstandiger om gewoon in te zetten op UAV's of extra Typhoons.

Hier heb je absoluut een punt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/07/2016 | 16:11 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 10/07/2016 | 14:31 uur
Op het eerste oog wel.
Echter, de 2 carriers kunnen beide uit de voeten met >40 F35B's, daarnaast zijn er een aantal nodig voor vredesverliezen en operationele verliezen, opleiding en evaluatie squadrons etc. Van de 136 zouden er dus maximaal ~36 een A variant kunnen zijn, zonder de Naval air arm ernstig onder druk te zetten. Bij een dergelijk klein aantal is het m.i. misschien verstandiger om gewoon in te zetten op UAV's of extra Typhoons.

Slechts één van de twee vliegdekschepen zal operationeel zijn en de Britten geven zelf aan dat air group maximaal 36 stuks van de F-35B zal tellen. Dat het schip meer aan kan, is iets anders.

Mochten beide operationeel zijn, dan is de kans groot dat de HMS Prince of Wales als LPH wordt ingezet. De HMS Ocean moet er immers uit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 10/07/2016 | 20:42 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 10/07/2016 | 16:11 uur
Slechts één van de twee vliegdekschepen zal operationeel zijn en de Britten geven zelf aan dat air group maximaal 36 stuks van de F-35B zal tellen. Dat het schip meer aan kan, is iets anders.

Mochten beide operationeel zijn, dan is de kans groot dat de HMS Prince of Wales als LPH wordt ingezet. De HMS Ocean moet er immers uit.


Binnen het huidige SDSR ja. Echter, die schepen moeten iets van 50 jaar mee. Ze worden misschien ingezet in oorlogen tegen landen die nu nog niet eens bestaan. Dus ja, misschien is een stuk of 36 F35B nu genoeg. Echter, ik hoop dat de Britten nu eens wel vooruit kijken en opties open houden. Hadden een vanaf het begin voor een CATOBAR gekozen hadden ze uberhaupt niet aan de F35 vast gezeten. Maar die flexibiliteit hebben ze zichzelf niet gegund. Als ze nu opeens een berg B voor A gaan inruilen, beter wanneer vanaf land wordt gevlogen, maar is uitbreiding van de airwing in de toekomst vrijwel onmogelijk geworden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/07/2016 | 09:26 uur
Leonardo-Finmeccanica Launches New Dual Role M-346FT

Leonardo-Finmeccanica has launched a new dual role version of its M-346 jet trainer, which will be able to switch from training pilots to handling combat operations.

The aircraft, which will fly at the Farnborough Air Show on Monday and Tuesday, will be known as the M-346FT and will be ready for service within two years, managers said at the show on Sunday.

Apart from armaments, the aircraft will feature a new tactical datalink, but no hardware changes to the trainer, and the firm expects trainer customers Israel, Poland and Italy to order retrofits to their aircraft to render them dual role.

Leonardo-Finmeccanica said the dual role aircraft would use its five hard points to mount Homeland Security, Tactical Reconnaissance or Ground Attack missions.A RecceLite pod has already been integrated, as have new auxiliary tanks, while work is underway to integrate a Radar Warning Receiver and Chaff and Flare dispenser.

Armaments that the plane will be able to carry include the GBU-12 and -49 laser-guided bombs, GBU-38 JDAM, Lizard laser guided bomb and Small Diameter Bomb as well as a gun pod. The Iris-T is already being trialed, and the AIM 9L will be intergrated.

Discussing the addition of reconnaissance capabilities to the aircraft, test pilot Enrico Scarabotto said that the M-346FT would have been cheaper to fly on recon missions in Afghanistans than the Tornados used by Italy for the mission.

..../....

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/show-daily/farnborough/2016/07/10/leonardo-finmeccanica-launches-new-dual-role-m-346ft/86924996/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/07/2016 | 18:04 uur
MBDA's Meteor enters service with the Swedish Air Force

MBDA Press release | 11 July 2016

Farnborough International Airshow, 11th July 2016: The Swedish Air Force (SwAF) announced during a ceremony today that MBDA's Meteor (http://www.mbda-systems.com/air-dominance/meteor/) Beyond Visual Range Air to Air Missile (BVRAAM) has now officially entered service on its Gripen combat aircraft.

The announcement was made by Major General Mats Helgesson, Chief-of-Staff of the SwAF, in the presence of the CEO of Saab AB, Håkan Buskhe and the CEO of MBDA, Antoine Bouvier. Major General Helgesson, said, "After extensive testing by FMV and the Gripen Operational Test and Evaluation unit, all of the new MS20 functions including the Meteor missile are now fully integrated with Gripen. The Swedish Air Force is now in its Initial Operational Capability phase with the Meteor. The Meteor missile is currently the most lethal radar-guided missile in operational service, and the Swedish Air Force is the only operational user so far. I am very proud and satisfied to have the Meteor in the inventory of my air force."

Antoine Bouvier, MBDA CEO in responding to the announcement said: "Today is a very special day for the Swedish Air Force, for Saab and Gripen, for Meteor, for MBDA and particularly for multi-national industrial cooperation in defence. Meteor is a missile that no nation could have developed or produced alone. Sweden and the five other Partner Nations in the programme – France, Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK – can be both proud and confident that they have a missile that ensures unquestionable air superiority for their pilots in the defence of their respective countries' sovereign interests. Along with that, and thanks to their involvement in the programme, they also have the freedom and independence to deploy and develop this unique missile capability as they see fit and as their requirements evolve. MBDA looks forward to continuing its extremely close cooperation with Sweden and Swedish industry in developing world-class military capabilities in support of the sovereignty and freedom of action of both Sweden and other cooperating nations".

At the end of April 2016, the FMV (Sweden's Defence Materiel Administration) introduced the latest MS20 software load to the SwAF's Gripen fleet thus enabling the JAS 39C/D to become the first aircraft capable of operating the ramjet-powered Meteor missile.

http://www.mbda-systems.com/press-releases/mbdas-meteor-enters-service-with-the-swedish-air-force/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/07/2016 | 07:00 uur
Lockheed Martin's F-35: Cheaper by the Year

http://www.bidnessetc.com/71158-lockheed-martins-f35-cheaper-year/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 12/07/2016 | 12:47 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 10/07/2016 | 02:30 uur
:(  Are you crazy ?  You Fool !

Trinnnnggg (wekker gaat af), wake up call.
De 40.500 ton metende Wasp klasse LHD's kunnen maar 6 a 10 F-35B's meenemen.
De F-35B kan slechts 1 sortie per 2 dagen uitvoeren !
De F-35B is qua nuttige lading - bereik verhouding vergelijkbaar met de Hawker Hunter uit de Fifties.
De F-35B is net als de F-35A en F-35C geen partij voor MiG-29 t/m -35 en Sukhoi-27 t/m -35 familie, want acceleratie, klimvermogen en wendbaarheid zijn vergelijkbaar met F-4E Phantom en F-5E Tiger.
De Falkland oorlog liet al zien dat de ca. 20.000 tons Invincible klasse te klein was om een effectief aantal jachtvliegtuigen mee te nemen.  De F-35B is groter en zwaarder, dus wordt dat probleem nog groter.
De JSF idealen voorzagen een jachtvliegtuig familie die voor 70% gelijk aan elkaar (commonality) zouden zijn.
In werkelijkheid zijn de F-35A, F-35B en F-35C slechts 20 - 25 % gelijk aan elkaar, dus je krijgt te maken met 2 logistieke staarten.
Etcetera ... etcetera.

Do I need to say more ?

NO.
En de F-35B gaat ook nog eens duurder uitvallen...180 Miljoen euro per stuk..kortom een totaal mislukt vliegtuig dat veel te duur is, door vrijwel ieder Russisch vliegtuig wordt neergehaald en met een missie ratio van 1 per 2 dagen niet echt waar voor je 180 miljoen euro. :devil:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/07/2016 | 16:11 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 11/07/2016 | 09:26 uur
Leonardo-Finmeccanica Launches New Dual Role M-346FT

Leonardo-Finmeccanica has launched a new dual role version of its M-346 jet trainer, which will be able to switch from training pilots to handling combat operations.

The aircraft, which will fly at the Farnborough Air Show on Monday and Tuesday, will be known as the M-346FT and will be ready for service within two years, managers said at the show on Sunday.

.../...

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/show-daily/farnborough/2016/07/10/leonardo-finmeccanica-launches-new-dual-role-m-346ft/86924996/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/07/2016 | 16:15 uur
Lockheed Martin unveils the most technologically advanced 4th generation fighter in the World

The Lockheed Martin F-16V is the latest and most advanced F-16 on the market today. The F-16V configuration includes numerous enhancements designed to keep the F-16 at the forefront of international security, strengthening its position as the world's foremost combat-proven 4th Generation multi-role fighter aircraft.

The F-16V, an option for both new production F-16s and F-16 upgrades, is the next generation configuration that leverages a common worldwide sustainment infrastructure and provides significant capability improvements.

The F-16V provides advanced combat capabilities in a scalable and affordable package. The core of the F-16V configuration is an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, a modern commercial off-the-shelf (COTS)-based avionics subsystem, a large-format, high-resolution display; and a high-volume, high-speed data bus. Operational capabilities are enhanced through a Link-16 Theater Data Link, Sniper Advanced Targeting Pod, advanced weapons, precision GPS navigation, and the Automatic Ground Collision Avoidance System (Auto GCAS).

Northrop Grumman's advanced APG-83 AESA radar delivers greater situational awareness, flexibility and quicker all-weather targeting. The APG-83 provides pilots with unprecedented target area detail and digital map displays that can be tailored with slew and zoom features. The APG-83 provides F-16s with 5th Generation fighter radar capabilities by leveraging hardware and software commonality with F-22 and F-35 AESA radars.

The APG-83 AESA radar enables greater detection and tracking ranges, multiple target track (20-plus target tracks), high-resolution Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) maps for all-environment precision strike, interleaved air-to-air and air-to-surface mode operations for improved situational awareness, operational effectiveness and survivability; and robust electronic protection for operations in dense radio frequency (RF) environments. The APG-83 also provides greater overall system reliability and availability—three to five times that of legacy MSCAN radars.

Lockheed Martin successfully completed the maiden flight of the F-16V on October 16, 2015, marking the first time an F-16 had flown with Northrop Grumman's advanced APG-83 AESA radar. The new radar delivers a quantum leap in capability for the venerable F-16. Northrop Grumman's APG-83 SABR AESA fire control radar provides 5th Generation air-to-air and air-to-ground radar capability. Northrop Grumman also provides AESA radars for the F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II.

Lockheed Martin is more than two years into development of the F-16V and is now in the flight test phase of the program. Customer interest in the F-16V remains strong, particularly now that the program is in its flight test phase—a key milestone for any fighter aircraft development program.

Lockheed Martin also completed more than 27,000 hours of simulated flight time on an F-16C Block 50 aircraft and is now analyzing the data to determine the durability of the aircraft beyond its original design service life. The test data will be used to identify an extended, definitive flight hour limit for the venerable F-16 and demonstrate the safety and durability of the aircraft well beyond its original design service life.

The durability tests should provide even more confidence to current and potential new F-16 customers that the combat-proven F-16 will continue to play a crucial role in international security for years to come.

With more than 4,550 F-16s delivered to date, the F-16V is a natural step in the evolution of the world's most successful 4th Generation fighter.

http://defence-blog.com/news/lockheed-martin-unveils-the-most-technologically-advanced-4th-generation-fighter-in-the-world.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 12/07/2016 | 17:21 uur
Dat de F-35 ieder jaar goedkoper wordt is één rede waarom de huidige bestel cyclus voor de F-35's onverstandig is. We kopen alle toestellen in duurdere (lagere productie aantallen) series. Het aanschaf budget valt door de haast hoger uit.
Jullie kennen mijn anti F-35 standpunt. F-16V of Gripen NG past volgens mij beter bij het ambitie niveau en de middelen. Ook is de vergelijking waarop de F-35 supperieur werd bevonden uitgevoerd met de initiele specificaties, deze zijn door de budget overschrijdingen flink naar beneden bijgesteld. Er is naar mijn weet geen herevaluatie geweest. Voor mij is het denkbaar dat een F-16V of Gripen NG nu beter scoort dan de F-35. Maar het F-16 vervangingsprogramma kent de uitspraak 'Beter ten halve gekeerd dan ten volle gedraald niet'. Ik wacht af wat de keuze voor de F-35 gaat brengen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/07/2016 | 15:27 uur
US Lawmakers Urge Action on Jet Sales to Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain

A group of Republican lawmakers is pressing the White House to approve long-delayed fighter jet sales to Bahrain, Kuwait and Qatar and open up about why it has taken so long.

.../...

The lawmakers asked for a briefing by July 14 that includes how and when the administration will resolve the cases.

Qatar has requested 36 to 72 F-15E Strike Eagles and Kuwait requested 28 F-18E/F Super Hornets, both made by Boeing. Bahrain is reportedly in the market for as many as 18 F-16 Fighting Falcons, made by Lockheed Martin.

The delays have driven Kuwait to sign a deal for 28 Eurofighter jets and Doha to buy 24 French Rafale as an alternative to a portion of the fighters initially planned for purchase from the US. It also threatens Boeing's 40-year-old F-15 production line in St. Louis, Missouri.

Boeing Defense chief executive Leann Caret, said Sunday in London that customers were, "hanging in there with us" while employees were looking forward to building the aircraft. While the arms transfer process is taking longer than Boeing wants,

.../...

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2016/07/12/us-lawmakers-urge-action-jet-sales-qatar-kuwait-and-bahrain/86956906/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/07/2016 | 15:29 uur
Lockheed Martin looks to upgrade 500 in-service F-16s

Lockheed Martin expects to upgrade 500 in-service F-16s to a new, AESA radar equipped, 'F-16V' format within seven years, after bagging orders for over 300 upgrades to date from South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore.

The upgrade sees the addition of Northrop Grumman's SABR electronically scanned radar, as well as a new 6 by 8 inch center pedestal display, a Link 16 data link, enhanced data processing and a Sniper advanced targeting pod. The new radar offers functions including multiple target tracking, synthetic aperture, ground moving target indication, and greater reliability than a mechanical radar.

"Three customers are refitting 300 aircraft now and we expect several hundred more in the next few years," said Randall Howard, head of F-16 Business Development.

A source said the target was 500 aircraft in seven years, with possible future customers including Greece, Turkey and Egypt. Current customers Korea, Taiwan and Singapore have refitted around 130, 130 and 50 jets respectively.

.../...

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/show-daily/farnborough/2016/07/13/lockheed-martin-looks-upgrade-500--service-f-16s/87021372/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/07/2016 | 15:35 uur
QinetiQ and Thales Select Textron AirLand Scorpion Jet for ASDOT Bid  ( ... Air Support to Defence Operational Training = ASDOT )

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.diseno-art.com%2Fnews_content%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F07%2FTextron-AirLand-Scorpion-Jet-1.jpg&hash=553a4fa0f51e9a9add2610350714ea61dfab74cf)

QinetiQ, Thales and Textron AirLand have announced a collaboration that will bid for the UK Ministry of Defence's upcoming Air Support to Defence Operational Training (ASDOT) programme.

The three companies' CEOs met at Farnborough International Airshow today to announce the signing of the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) setting the foundation for the bid.

The operational training activities that will comprise the ASDOT programme are currently fulfilled by a number of providers, both military and civilian. This team will propose an innovative, cost effective, technologically advanced reliable managed service using the Textron AirLand Scorpion jet equipped with Thales and QinetiQ sensors to provide a broad spectrum of training for all three armed services.

The competitive contract, expected to be awarded in September 2018 with a service delivery start in Jan 2020, is anticipated to be worth up to £1.2bn over 15 years.

What will each company offer?

-- QinetiQ:
QinetiQ will offer the safe operation of a highly capable and flexible mixed fleet of Scorpion and other platforms – including maintenance and provision of pilots. Its proposal will include integration of sensors and jamming pods into the aerial fleet and certification of the aircraft to ensure compliance with military air worthiness regulations. The solution will include provision for the introduction of synthetic operational training and airborne aerial target capabilities.

Steve Wadey, QinetiQ CEO, said: "Our test and evaluation pedigree makes us ideally placed to introduce the highly capable Scorpion for use in the ASDOT programme. Our people are experts in cost effective aircraft operation, providing significant savings to the MOD while offering the highest standard of support to UK defence operational training. Collaborative working of this nature is vital within the aerospace and defence industries, and I believe this partnership puts us all in a strong position to succeed."

-- Thales:

Thales's breadth of training service provision for air platforms spans from jet fighters, tactical transporters, helicopters to refuelling aircraft. Thales brings extensive experience in delivering fully managed training services and engineering bespoke high fidelity training equipment such as full mission simulators for leading air platforms such as A400M, Voyager, Tornado, Rafale, Mirage 2000, Hawk and Eurofighter. Thales has an international footprint providing training and simulation products and services to a global customer network.

As a world leading supplier of aircraft sensors and mission systems, Thales will also offer a range of sensors optimised for situational awareness, threat replication and targeting training, as well as Electronic Warfare capability. Thales systems and sensors designed for defence and security applications provide superior intelligence gathering and threat detection to make better informed decisions.

Victor Chavez, CEO of Thales in the UK said: "Through this unique partnership with QinetiQ and Textron and the complementary expertise within our respective fields, we have the opportunity to offer all three armed services the most effective, cutting edge technology coupled with world leading training and services expertise. The UK Ministry of Defence will be able to benefit from the collaboration of technologies and knowledge to deliver important long-term Air Operational Training services."

-- Textron AirLand:

Textron AirLand will offer its Scorpion jet, selected by QinetiQ and Thales after a comprehensive analysis of over 50 aircraft. This selection was based on the aircraft's multi-mission capability, combined with unparalleled acquisition and operating costs and a dispatch reliability rating exceeding 98 percent.

Scott Donnelly, Textron's Chairman and CEO, said: "The Scorpion jet provides the multi-role capability and performance necessary to perform the ASDOT programme missions at a fraction of the acquisition and operating costs compared to any other aircraft in its class. Textron is confident this team will provide the platform and support necessary to carry out vital military training missions. We look forward to strengthening our relationship with these industry-leading companies as we compete for the ASDOT programme."

Designed and built with leading-edge technologies, the Scorpion is a bold new direction for tactical aircraft. The aircraft is very versatile in terms of mission flexibility with a centre payload bay, six hard points, high dash speeds and extended endurance and loiter time at cruise speeds. The Scorpion is built to excel in many roles, including intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, close air support, armed reconnaissance, maritime and border patrol and jet training missions.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/175500/textron-airland-scorpion-selected-for-thales%E2%80%99-asdot-bid.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zeewier op 13/07/2016 | 18:13 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 12/07/2016 | 17:21 uur
Dat de F-35 ieder jaar goedkoper wordt is één rede waarom de huidige bestel cyclus voor de F-35's onverstandig is. We kopen alle toestellen in duurdere (lagere productie aantallen) series. Het aanschaf budget valt door de haast hoger uit.
Jullie kennen mijn anti F-35 standpunt. F-16V of Gripen NG past volgens mij beter bij het ambitie niveau en de middelen. Ook is de vergelijking waarop de F-35 supperieur werd bevonden uitgevoerd met de initiele specificaties, deze zijn door de budget overschrijdingen flink naar beneden bijgesteld. Er is naar mijn weet geen herevaluatie geweest. Voor mij is het denkbaar dat een F-16V of Gripen NG nu beter scoort dan de F-35. Maar het F-16 vervangingsprogramma kent de uitspraak 'Beter ten halve gekeerd dan ten volle gedraald niet'. Ik wacht af wat de keuze voor de F-35 gaat brengen.
We hebben met LRIP 3 (de testkisten) en LRIP 8 de meest gunstige van de "echte" LRIP's. Noorwegen betaalt véél meer. Denemarken krijgt de allergunstigste combinatie van LRIP's en productieserie's, maar wel tegen een aanzienlijk kleinere industriële pay-off.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/07/2016 | 20:04 uur
Citaat van: Zeewier op 13/07/2016 | 18:13 uur
We hebben met LRIP 3 (de testkisten) en LRIP 8 de meest gunstige van de "echte" LRIP's. Noorwegen betaalt véél meer. Denemarken krijgt de allergunstigste combinatie van LRIP's en productieserie's, maar wel tegen een aanzienlijk kleinere industriële pay-off.

En de volgende serie van 8?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zeewier op 13/07/2016 | 21:30 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/07/2016 | 20:04 uur
En de volgende serie van 8?
LRIP 9 voornamelijk F35A's voor Noorwegen, Israël, Japan. F35B's voor USMC en Royal Navy. F35C voor US Navy.
LRIP 10 voornamelijk Amerikaanse USAF F35A's. Zal me niet verbazen als hier Korea opduikt.
Daarna fullrate productie. Daar zou België dus komen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 13/07/2016 | 21:45 uur
Info over LRIP: https://www.f35.com/news
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/07/2016 | 21:46 uur
Citaat van: Zeewier op 13/07/2016 | 21:30 uur
LRIP 9 voornamelijk F35A's voor Noorwegen, Israël, Japan. F35B's voor USMC en Royal Navy. F35C voor US Navy.
LRIP 10 voornamelijk Amerikaanse USAF F35A's. Zal me niet verbazen als hier Korea opduikt.
Daarna fullrate productie. Daar zou België dus komen.

Betekend dus dat de vervolgseries voor de KLu alleen maar meer aantrekkelijk worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zeewier op 13/07/2016 | 22:35 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/07/2016 | 21:46 uur
Betekend dus dat de vervolgseries voor de KLu alleen maar meer aantrekkelijk worden.
Eerst even op Korea wachten. Rond 2022 tegelijk met België en Denemarken er nog 15 bijbestellen. Maakt 52 F35's voor Nederland, gelijke aantallen aan Noorwegen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 14/07/2016 | 10:00 uur
Zijn de reducties zodanig dat er binnen het huidige budget meer kisten gekocht zouden kunnen worden dan nu de planning is?
En ja ik weet dat er te weinig geld is ingeboekt voor infrastructuur en dergelijke.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/07/2016 | 12:38 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 14/07/2016 | 10:00 uur
Zijn de reducties zodanig dat er binnen het huidige budget meer kisten gekocht zouden kunnen worden dan nu de planning is?
En ja ik weet dat er te weinig geld is ingeboekt voor infrastructuur en dergelijke.

De LM doelstelling is dat de A variant inclusief motor tegen 2019 voor 85 mjn US dollar (volgens de wisselkoers van vandaag: €76,6 mjn) van eigenaar wisselt.

€76,6 mjn + 21% BTW = €92,7 mjn. Dat betekend dat je binnen budget geen problemen zou moeten hebben met de +10% zoals in de D Brief staat vermeld.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zeewier op 14/07/2016 | 13:05 uur
De Euro-Dollar koers staat niet zo gunstig voor Hennis. Echter Nederland is voornamelijk een handelsland voor wie een lage Euro (ook t.o.v Yen en Yuan) alleen maar profijtelijk is. Wat gunstig is, is dus maar net wie je het vraagt: Hennis of Dijsselbloem. Misschien dat er gecompenseerd kan worden?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 14/07/2016 | 14:46 uur
Wat gaat die F-16V kosten dan ?...anders mooie aanvulling laten we de F-35's bij 24 stuks houden en dan 36 F-16V erbij bestellen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/07/2016 | 14:59 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 14/07/2016 | 14:46 uur
Wat gaat die F-16V kosten dan ?...anders mooie aanvulling laten we de F-35's bij 24 stuks houden en dan 36 F-16V erbij bestellen.

Ik heb zo het idee dat het prijsverschil tussen een nieuw te bouwen F16V of een voorgestelde Block 70/72 voor India versus een F35A in 2020 (als LM haar doelstelling weet te behalen) in aanschafprijs niet meer zo groot is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/07/2016 | 07:16 uur
Lockheed Martin To Stop Making F-16 Jets

http://cbsloc.al/29X4PE8
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 21/07/2016 | 09:23 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/07/2016 | 07:16 uur
Lockheed Martin To Stop Making F-16 Jets

http://cbsloc.al/29X4PE8
:'(
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/07/2016 | 09:58 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 21/07/2016 | 09:23 uur
:'(

Inderdaad  :(, maar wel een moment waarvan je wist dat het een keer zou komen.

Zien hoelang de F-15 productie nog zal duren. Zou er een type zijn dat 45/50 jaar productie kan halen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 21/07/2016 | 10:17 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 21/07/2016 | 09:58 uur
Inderdaad  :(, maar wel een moment waarvan je wist dat het een keer zou komen.

Zien hoelang de F-15 productie nog zal duren. Zou er een type zijn dat 45/50 jaar productie kan halen?
Voor de silent eagle was toch belangstelling vanuit het midden-oosten?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/07/2016 | 10:32 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 21/07/2016 | 10:17 uur
Voor de silent eagle was toch belangstelling vanuit het midden-oosten?

Er is inderdaad interesse voor de Strike Eagle en/of Silent Eagle, maar de VS moet nog akkoord geven aan diverse landen. Dit duurt nu al langer, dan normaal het geval is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 21/07/2016 | 13:00 uur
Citaat van: Zeewier op 14/07/2016 | 13:05 uur
De Euro-Dollar koers staat niet zo gunstig voor Hennis. Echter Nederland is voornamelijk een handelsland voor wie een lage Euro (ook t.o.v Yen en Yuan) alleen maar profijtelijk is. Wat gunstig is, is dus maar net wie je het vraagt: Hennis of Dijsselbloem. Misschien dat er gecompenseerd kan worden?
Dooddoener, maar: het kan, maar het gaat niet gebeuren.

Citaat van: Sparkplug op 21/07/2016 | 10:32 uur
Er is inderdaad interesse voor de Strike Eagle en/of Silent Eagle, maar de VS moet nog akkoord geven aan diverse landen. Dit duurt nu al langer, dan normaal het geval is.
Ik heb het subtiele vermoeden dat ze hier moeite mee hebben: graag willen ze grote miljardenorders hebben voor hun defensie-industrie en nog meer landen aan hun producten binden, maar tegelijkertijd de F-35 promoten en die niet in de weg gaan zitten door een ijzersterke 4,5 gen fighter aan te bieden die heel wat gras wegmaait voor het zorgenkindje. Ik ben benieuwd wat nu uiteindelijk de afweging gaat worden!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 21/07/2016 | 13:03 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 21/07/2016 | 13:00 uur
Dooddoener, maar: het kan, maar het gaat niet gebeuren.
Helaas denk ik dat je hierin gelijk hebt.
Citaat van: Lynxian op 21/07/2016 | 13:00 uur
Ik heb het subtiele vermoeden dat ze hier moeite mee hebben: graag willen ze grote miljardenorders hebben voor hun defensie-industrie en nog meer landen aan hun producten binden, maar tegelijkertijd de F-35 promoten en die niet in de weg gaan zitten door een ijzersterke 4,5 gen fighter aan te bieden die heel wat gras wegmaait voor het zorgenkindje. Ik ben benieuwd wat nu uiteindelijk de afweging gaat worden!
Ik hoop niet dat de VS van plan is om de F-35 op korte termijn aan het midden-oosten te verkopen.
Je zag wat er gebeurde toen ze de destijds gloednieuwe F-14 aan Iran verkochte...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 21/07/2016 | 17:22 uur
Lockheed Bullish On International F-16 Orders

FARNBOROUGH—Although Lockheed Martin is facing a gap in F-16 production starting next year, top officials say the company is keeping the line warm in anticipation of new international orders of the lightweight fighter before too long.
After delivering more than 4,500 F-16s to 28 customers in almost 140 different configurations, Lockheed is facing a possible shutdown of the Fort Worth production line after deliveries to Iraq are completed in 2017. But Orlando Carvalho, Lockheed's executive vice president for aeronautics, is confident the F-16 production gap will be temporary.

"We are managing that gap because there still continues to be interested customers who want to buy F-16s," Carvalho said. "I don't consider the line cold. I don't consider it stopped or anything like that. We're going to be in a gap for a period of time, and then once we have the next customer we will be restarting the line again."

In addition to extending the life of the U.S. Air Force's Block 40 and 50 F-16 C/D aircraft by 50%, out to 12,000 hr., Lockheed also sees an opportunity for new orders of the latest F-16V configuration, according to Randy Howard, company director of F-16 business development. Lockheed currently has three customers on contract to upgrade a total of more than 300 aircraft to the F-16V or a similar configuration, and anticipates several hundred more orders over the next three to four years, he said.

The company has supported government-to-government discussions on the F-16V across Asia, particularly southeast Asia, as well as eastern Europe, South America and the Middle East, Howard said. He declined to name specific customers.

Lockheed hopes the next batch of F-16 orders will come from Bahrain, which is interested in upgrading its existing fleet of legacy F-16s and potentially buying a new batch of F-16Vs. The deal has recently been stalled amid negotiations for the U.S.'s new aid package to Israel, but Lockheed officials hope to finalize the contract soon. Colombia is also looking to buy F-16s, Carvalho said.

Meanwhile, Pakistan was considering buying eight F-16C/D Block 52 fighters, to be delivered in 2019, but the nearly $700 million deal fell apart over financing issues and opposition from Congress. The Pakistani government was required to provide a Letter of Acceptance for purchase of the jets by the end of May, but the document was never issued. Lockheed is no longer working on the Pakistan deal, Carvalho said.

Despite the Pakistan loss, Lockheed is confident international orders for the F-16 will continue to flow in, CEO Marillyn Hewson said in a recent interview. "We do have interest in the F-16 from Bahrain, Indonesia, Colombia, India and others, so we're trying to sell the aircraft," Hewson said. "Our job is just to get the next tranche sold so we can get that line back up after it goes cold. We have gone to low production levels in the past, and we're very confident that we can bring it back."

In the immediate absence of new orders, Lockheed is taking steps to keep the production line warm. In particular, the company is looking to the planned F-35 Joint Strike Fighter ramp up to absorb some of the skilled workers coming off the F-16 line, and anticipates no layoffs or reductions in force, Carvalho said.

"The timing actually is very good, because that's in the same time that we will be in the ramp [up] on the F-35 side, so our expectation right now is that we will be able to bring those mechanics to F-35 and so we don't anticipate any layoffs or reductions from force as a result of this," Carvalho said. "If we choose to restart the line in Fort Worth then we have a pool of talent there that we can draw from to repopulate the production line."

Lockheed is also looking to keep the supply base engaged to ensure key suppliers are available when the company reopens the F-16 line, Carvalho said. Support tooling and equipment will likely be put in storage after final deliveries are complete.

Carvalho contrasted the gap in F-16 production to the shutdown of Lockheed's F-22 line, which was mandated by then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates after producing just 187 aircraft. Restarting the F-22 line could cost as much as $17 billion, according to some estimates, because the last F-22 was delivered in 2012, and suppliers shut down their production lines in 2010 and 2011, Carvalho said.

"It's a lot different to restart a line like the F-22 versus what we are doing to keep the line warm for F-16," Carvalho said. "When we built the last F-22 the direction was there's not going to be any more F-22s ... where in the case of the F-16 we're making a very conscious decision to not shut it down and to keep the line warm so that once we have our next customer in place we can restart again."

The future of the F-16 line arguably lies with the F-16V upgrade, which takes lessons learned from fifth-generation aircraft like Lockheed's F-35 and F-22 and rolls them back into the fourth-generation F-16. The heart and soul of the F-16V is Northrop Grumman's APG-83 scalable, agile-beam active AESA radar, which allows the pilot to collect significantly more data than the legacy mechanically-scanned array radar, Howard said.

The new radar improves detection range, allows for up to 20 simultaneous target tracks, and includes a high-resolution synthetic aperture capability that enables all-environment precision strike. It also includes advanced electronic protections, and allows the pilot to combine the air-to-air and air-to-surface modes into a single display.

The F-16V also adds a center pedestal display upgrade, integrating a 6-in.-by-8-in., high-resolution, full-color screen in the center of the cockpit so the pilot can take advantage of the vast amounts of data coming in from the radar. In addition, the upgrade includes a new mission computer, which provides two times the memory and 10 times the computing space of the legacy mission computer.

The new configuration will also include an auto ground-collision avoidance system, a joint helmet-mounted cuing system, the latest weapons and a Lockheed Martin sniper pod with an advanced electro-optical camera, Link 16 for better communications with other aircraft, and conformal fuel tanks to extend the jet's range.

"All of that is designed to take the information and the technology that we've learned out of fielding F-35s and F-22s and roll that information back into the F-16 through the avionics infrastructure, because today's modern warfare ... in many ways it's about information into the cockpit," Howard said. "That's what we've learned through F-22 and F-35 is how do you get the maximum amount of data into the cockpit so the pilot can then be thinking tactically and can then be making tactical decisions?" 

http://aviationweek.com/defense/lockheed-bullish-international-f-16-orders?NL=AW-05&Issue=AW-05_20160720_AW-05_393&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_2&utm_rid=CPEN1000002205251&utm_campaign=6485&utm_medium=email&elq2=82a3924c2e8b447dbdaad8704b073f84
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 21/07/2016 | 23:04 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 21/07/2016 | 13:03 uur
Ik hoop niet dat de VS van plan is om de F-35 op korte termijn aan het midden-oosten te verkopen.
Je zag wat er gebeurde toen ze de destijds gloednieuwe F-14 aan Iran verkochte...
Nou, als je kijkt wat voor een modern materieel Saudie-Arabië allemaal wel niet kan kopen bij de Amerikaan, vermoed ik dat ze er niet zoveel moeite mee hebben. Plus, dan maken ze er gewoon een export versie van. (Nouja, een F-35 SA. Klinkt zoveel positiever: 'Wij hebben er speciaal eentje voor jullie gecustomized, want jullie zijn zo bijzonder voor ons!' Ondertussen worden de verschillende systemen even gedowngrade wat resulteert in een lagere prijs, de klant nog blijer. Korting én een customized versie.)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/07/2016 | 23:18 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 21/07/2016 | 23:04 uur
Nou, als je kijkt wat voor een modern materieel Saudie-Arabië allemaal wel niet kan kopen bij de Amerikaan, vermoed ik dat ze er niet zoveel moeite mee hebben. Plus, dan maken ze er gewoon een export versie van. (Nouja, een F-35 SA. Klinkt zoveel positiever: 'Wij hebben er speciaal eentje voor jullie gecustomized, want jullie zijn zo bijzonder voor ons!' Ondertussen worden de verschillende systemen even gedowngrade wat resulteert in een lagere prijs, de klant nog blijer. Korting én een customized versie.)

Voorlopig is de afspraak dat Israël en Turkije de enige landen in die regio zijn de F35 mogen aanschaffen, maar niets zo vluchtig als politiek.

Wellicht veranderd dat als de Russen hun T-50/PAK-FA verpatsen aan een land als Iran.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 22/07/2016 | 01:44 uur
Ah, ik dacht dat dat de enige landen in het Midden-Oosten waren welke hadden meegedaan, wist niet dat anderen echt expliciet waren uitgesloten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/07/2016 | 07:07 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 22/07/2016 | 01:44 uur
Ah, ik dacht dat dat de enige landen in het Midden-Oosten waren welke hadden meegedaan, wist niet dat anderen echt expliciet waren uitgesloten.

Voorlopig.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 22/07/2016 | 10:21 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/07/2016 | 23:18 uur
Voorlopig is de afspraak dat Israël en Turkije de enige landen in die regio zijn de F35 mogen aanschaffen, maar niets zo vluchtig als politiek.
Wellicht veranderd dat als de Russen hun T-50/PAK-FA verpatsen aan een land als Iran.
Turkije maakt al enkele jaren rare bokkensprongen...
Vernieuwt en breidt haar marine aan een snel tempo uit. (Niks op tegen)

En opeens was er daar die deal met de Chinezen omtrent een lange afstands luchtverdedigingssysteem... (F-200 / HQ-9).
Wat was me dat allemaal...

Maar met de recentste ontwikkelingen zou ik "als Amerikaan" toch wel wat terughoudender exporteren naar Turkije.
De Turken mogen dan in "het verleden" (Koude oorlog) een betrouwbare NATO-partner geweest zijn, me dunkt dat met Erdogan aan het roer een heel wat eigengereide koers uitgestippeld en gevaren wordt. En het lijkt me alsof het merendeel van zij landgenoten (in binnen- EN buitenland) hem op de handen dragen. Dat land is meer en meer een 'loose cannon' aan het worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/07/2016 | 18:25 uur
A-10 Warthog Replacement: U.S. Air Force Considers Two-Step Approach

Lara Seligman | Aerospace Daily & Defense Report | July 21, 2016

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faviationweek.com%2Fsite-files%2Faviationweek.com%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Fmedium_img%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F07%2Fa10cthunderbolt-usaf.jpg&hash=8e23a6f8e8239c5217dc1ac0fe03acdadc84d10f)
A-10s: USAF

The U.S. Air Force is contemplating pursuing a low-end, light attack "OA-X" aircraft to augment the A-10 Warthog in a close-air support (CAS) role, while simultaneously aiming for a more robust replacement, dubbed "A-X2," down the line.

As the Air Force prepares to start sunsetting the beloved A-10 in fiscal year 2018, the service is still deciding on a path ahead for CAS. During a July 20 meeting, U.S. Air Force officials briefed outside stakeholders on the most recent thinking, detailing the possibility of pursuing two separate light-attack aircraft, potentially in parallel, to meet immediate and long-term needs.

The service officials detailed a possible "OA-X" for solely permissive environments, according to Mark Gunzinger, an analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. OA-X would be a low-end, low-cost, non-developmental aircraft meant to augment the Air Force's existing light attack capabilities, he said.

For OA-X, the officials said the Air Force would likely look to an existing airframe, such as the A-29 Super Tucano or the AT-6 trainer, for use in a low-threat battlespace, said Loren Thompson, an analyst with the Lexington Institute.

The Air Force does not see OA-X as a replacement for the A-10, but rather as a supplemental capability, Gunzinger stressed.

Simultaneously, the service is also looking into an "A-X2" as a long-term Warthog replacement, the analysts said. Ideally, A-X2 would be designed to operate in a moderate- to low-threat regime, meaning that it could fight in some contested conditions. The service officials left the door open as to whether A-X2 would be an existing airframe or an entirely new aircraft, but noted that affordability and speed to ramp would be critical.

The push for a new light attack capability comes as the Air Force faces budget constraints and a readiness gap across the fleet. The service is looking at potentially adding a cheap, off-the-shelf aircraft to not only to fulfill the CAS role, but also to augment pilot training and add some new cockpits to the fleet, said Rebecca Grant, president of IRIS Independent Research.

"One way they can assist with their readiness is to have some additional cockpits available ... maybe this is two birds with one stone," Grant said. "I think they feel they need to buy some new planes."

Gunzinger stressed that details are yet to be finalized, but said he thinks the Air Force could allocate money for the program as soon as the 2019 Program Objective Memorandum (POM).

"They are thinking about how to continue to support this critical mission area given that they have an aging force, a smaller force, and readiness issues and of course definitely budget issues," Gunzinger said. "This is a very concrete signal that the Air Force is committed to supporting our men and women on the ground."

Gunzinger also raised the possibility that one or both could be funded through the supplemental war fund, called the Overseas Contingency Operations (OCO) account.

But Thompson said the Air Force may see pushback if it attempts to add two separate aircraft to the modernization plan.

"The reason why they are looking at that instead of simply maintaining the A-10 is because they claim the A-10 costs too much," Thompson said. "But now they are going to try to add two aircraft to their modernization plan that no one was expecting."

http://aviationweek.com/defense/10-warthog-replacement-us-air-force-considers-two-step-approach?NL=AW-05&Issue=AW-05_20160722_AW-05_572&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_2&utm_rid=CPEN1000001583389&utm_campaign=6500&utm_medium=email&elq2=72a66f35f9c14bfbbd701737fe1cf470
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 23/07/2016 | 10:56 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/07/2016 | 12:38 uur
De LM doelstelling is dat de A variant inclusief motor tegen 2019 voor 85 mjn US dollar (volgens de wisselkoers van vandaag: €76,6 mjn) van eigenaar wisselt.

€76,6 mjn + 21% BTW = €92,7 mjn. Dat betekend dat je binnen budget geen problemen zou moeten hebben met de +10% zoals in de D Brief staat vermeld.
LockheedMartin doelstelling ?????????

Dat bedrag van USD 85 miljoen is PROPAGANDA / LULKOEK.

LockheedMartin heeft zelf verklaard dat de F-35 prijs pas structureel daalt nadat het 1.600 ste exemplaar uit de fabriek rolt.

Dus nog 1.430 kisten te gaan.

Tegen 2019 zal een F-35A tussen de 165 en 235 miljoen US dollar gaan kosten.
Dat is inclusief motor en de ontwikkelingskosten die het Pentagon niet in de aanschafprijs terugziet, maar een export klant wel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 23/07/2016 | 12:30 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 23/07/2016 | 10:56 uur
LockheedMartin doelstelling ?????????

Dat bedrag van USD 85 miljoen is PROPAGANDA / LULKOEK.

LockheedMartin heeft zelf verklaard dat de F-35 prijs pas structureel daalt nadat het 1.600 ste exemplaar uit de fabriek rolt.

Dus nog 1.430 kisten te gaan.

Tegen 2019 zal een F-35A tussen de 165 en 235 miljoen US dollar gaan kosten.
Dat is inclusief motor en de ontwikkelingskosten die het Pentagon niet in de aanschafprijs terugziet, maar een export klant wel.
Wij krijgen toch geld terug over onze eigen en andere F-35's omdat we meedoen aan de ontwikkeling? Dus hoeveel kosten ze voor ons ongeveer?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 23/07/2016 | 13:22 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 23/07/2016 | 12:30 uur
Wij krijgen toch geld terug over onze eigen en andere F-35's omdat we meedoen aan de ontwikkeling? Dus hoeveel kosten ze voor ons ongeveer?

Dat weet niemand. Er wordt gesuggereerd dat Nederland met de investering van 800 miljoen de ontwikkelingskosten hebben afgekocht, dit klopt niet. We krijgen alleen een marginale korting. De productieaantallen lopen nog steeds achter. Des te meer landen het aantal toestellen verminderen of niet besluiten de F-35 aan te schaffen, des te hoger worden die kosten voor bijvoorbeeld Nederland. F-35's die via een FMS constructie worden verkocht leveren voor Nederland GEEN royalties op á (slechts?) $200.000 per toestel. Die investering van 800 miljoen is er dus pas uit na 4000 F35's exclusief de Foreign Militairy Sales toestellen. Het totale aantal verwachte bestellingen door partnerlanden én reeds gedane bestellingen van landen die via het Foreign Military Sales (FMS) traject verwerven, bedraagt thans 3.156.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 23/07/2016 | 17:19 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 23/07/2016 | 13:22 uur
Het totale aantal verwachte bestellingen door partnerlanden én reeds gedane bestellingen van landen die via het Foreign Military Sales (FMS) traject verwerven, bedraagt thans 3.156.
Over hoeveel van die 3.156 krijgt NL wel royalities?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 23/07/2016 | 18:43 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 23/07/2016 | 17:19 uur
Over hoeveel van die 3.156 krijgt NL wel royalities?

Er is een site waar al die aantallen mooi bijgehouden werden (niet alleen van de F35 overigens), maar die kan ik zo snel niet vinden helaas.

Het totaal minus de toestellen uit FMS contracten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/07/2016 | 08:29 uur
Textron Partners With USAF For Scorpion Appraisal

The Textron AirLand Scorpion has become the test case for a new airworthiness initiative by the U.S. Air Force that could make non-program of record military aircraft more attractive to international ...

http://aviationweek.com/defense/textron-partners-usaf-scorpion-appraisal


Air Force to Certify Scorpion Jet, Broadening Its International Appeal

For the first time, the Air Force will test the airworthiness of an aircraft that is currently not planned to be in its inventory, a move that could increase the plane's chance of success in the international market.

The Air Force announced on Wednesday that it had signed a Cooperative Research and Development Agreement (CRADA) with Textron AirLand, under which the service will conduct an airworthiness assessment of Textron's Scorpion aircraft. The certification could open the door for future direct commercial sales of the jet to foreign militaries or quicken the pace of a domestic purchase, should the Air Force decide to procure it in the future.

"This is the first of its kind, we have not done a CRADA like this before and we have never had a partnership with industry to assess aircraft that are not under a USAF acquisition contract" Jorge Gonzalez, the Air Force's technical airworthiness authority, said in a statement.

Textron rolled out the Scorpion jet in 2013, marketing it to both US military and international customers as an affordable way to conduct a broad array of missions such as ISR, counter insurgency, close air support and border and maritime security. The plane, which was designed and developed entirely with internal funds, costs only $20 million to acquire and $3,000 per flight hour.

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http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2016/07/21/air-force-scorpion-textron-foreign-military-commerical-sales-international-airworthiness-certify/87382706/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/07/2016 | 12:30 uur
USAF considers future CAS options

The US Air Force (USAF) is considering three options for the future provision close air support (CAS) as it looks to begin divesting its Fairchild-Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II in the beginning of the next decade, a senior officer said in mid-July.

Speaking to reporters ahead of the Farnborough Airshow, the chief of the USAF's Air Combat Command (ACC), General Herbert Carlisle, said that the service is looking to either developing a new platform or upgrading its existing one, as it begins the process of retiring the A-10 in the 2021 to 2022 timeframe.

In the short-term the USAF has plans to replace some A-10s with Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcons, but in the medium- to longer-terms there are plans to procure or develop either a platform that that can operate either in a permissive environment only, or one that can operate in both a permissive and contested environment. The options are being considered under the auspices of the recently announced A-X project.

Further to these two new-platforms solutions, Gen Carlisle said that the USAF is looking at the option of upgrading the existing A-10. "Part of the A-X discussion is enhancing the A-10 - the engines, wings, and avionics - but it is a balance between the age of the aircraft and the money you'd have to spend. We have not ruled it out, but a [brand new] A-X looks to be more attractive," the general noted.

The USAF first announced its plans to fast-track the retirement of the USAF's approximately 300 A-10s (of which a number have already been placed into storage) from the planned out-of-service date of 2028 to 'as soon as possible' in 2014. Since then, the topic has been hotly debated and contested at the highest levels of government, with supporters of the legacy platform asserting that it offers an unparalleled close-air support capability, primarily by means of its 30 mm GAU-8 Avenger cannon, and that its divestment would go so far as to endanger the lives of US and coalition troops on the ground.

http://www.janes.com/article/62514/usaf-considers-future-cas-options
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/07/2016 | 07:29 uur
US Navy's Sixth-Generation F/A-XX Fighter: Just a "Super" Super Hornet?

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/us-navys-sixth-generation-f-xx-fighter-just-super-super-17128
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/07/2016 | 17:51 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 27/07/2016 | 22:57 uur
Hoewel een indrukwekkende salvo, vindt ik 't er toch niet uitzien, zo'n externe gunpod in plaats van geïntegreerd in het frame. Ik kan me ook voorstellen dat zo'n extensie ook wel wat doet met de stealth en aerodynamische eigenschappen van het vliegtuig. Is hier al wat over bekend?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 28/07/2016 | 01:35 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/07/2016 | 07:29 uur
US Navy's Sixth-Generation F/A-XX Fighter: Just a "Super" Super Hornet?

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/us-navys-sixth-generation-f-xx-fighter-just-super-super-17128

Goh... Fixatie, wie had dat verwacht :p
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/07/2016 | 07:28 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 27/07/2016 | 22:57 uur
Hoewel een indrukwekkende salvo, vindt ik 't er toch niet uitzien, zo'n externe gunpod in plaats van geïntegreerd in het frame. Ik kan me ook voorstellen dat zo'n extensie ook wel wat doet met de stealth en aerodynamische eigenschappen van het vliegtuig. Is hier al wat over bekend?

Bij de F-35B en F-35C was in ieder geval al vroeg nagedacht over het gebruik van een gun pod op de center line pylon. Eigenlijk net zoals met de gun pods van de (Sea) Harrier en de AV-8B Harrier II. Bij de F-4 was dat niet optimaal en al helemaal niet bij de F-16. Als het om pure stealth missies gaat, dan lijkt het mij dat de gun pod niet wordt gebruikt. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/08/2016 | 09:16 uur
F-35A takes down target drone

By Leigh Giangreco, Washington DC | 02 August 2016

With an initial operational capability declaration imminent, the Lockheed Martin F-35A marked its first air-to-air kill during a flight test after launching infrared- and radar-guided missiles at subscale target drones, the US Air Force announced 1 August.

On 28 July, the pilot of the AF-3 test aircraft declared "Boola Boola," the traditional radio call made when a pilot shoots down a drone, as a Raytheon AIM-9X Sidewinder missile scored a hit on the subscale taret. The fighter identified the drone using its mission system sensors, passed the tracking information to the wing-mounted missile and allowed the pilot to verify the targeting information using the high off-boresight capability on the F-35's Vision Systems helmet mounted display, the service says in the news release.

The F-35 can carry two of the short-range, heat-seeking AIM-9X missiles on its wings. In previous tests, the AIM-9X guided close to the target before self-destructing as part of the test plan.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=67935)

The aircraft also carried an internal Raytheon AIM-120C AMRAAM missile, which the pilot employed on a separate target drone before launching the AIM-9X. The drone was beyond visual range and the AIM-120C was directed as planned to self-destruct before impact.

The AIM-9X test is one of several munitions tests in the F-35 Joint Program Office's weapons testing surge, which includes small diameter bombs, joint direct attack munitions and AIM-120 testing. The tests will help inform Block 3F software testing, which will bring the aircraft to full combat capability and should begin in January 2018.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-35a-takes-down-target-drone-428085/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 02/08/2016 | 12:26 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 02/08/2016 | 09:16 uur
The tests will help inform Block 3F software testing, which will bring the aircraft to full combat capability and should begin in January 2018.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-35a-takes-down-target-drone-428085/
Block 2B software draait op de TR1 hardware met een architectuur uit de jaren 90.
Block 3i en 3F draaien op de nieuwe TR2 hardware, eigenlijk gaat het hier om block 2B software aangepast voor applicatie op de TR2 hardware.
De JSF software problemen worden niet kleiner, maar groter.
Volgens de oorspronkelijke plannen zou Block 3 alle geplande capaciteiten bevatten.  Waarschijnlijk wordt dat bereikt in een block 5 of 6, op zijn best in het midden van de jaren 20 tot eind jaren 20, of misschien wel nooit, want te duur.

Goh, wanneer worden de onderhandelingen voor Low Rate Initial Production Lot 9 en 10 afgerond voor meer dan 140 kisten voor USD 14 miljard, hadden al begin dit jaar afgerond moeten zijn.
Helaas, kosten en software perikelen staan in de weg.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/08/2016 | 19:39 uur
Air Force Declares F-35A Ready For Combat

http://defnews.ly/2aKGXHE via @defense_news
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 02/08/2016 | 20:42 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/08/2016 | 19:39 uur
Air Force Declares F-35A Ready For Combat

http://defnews.ly/2aKGXHE via @defense_news

eh...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/08/2016 | 11:24 uur
En ook onderstaande gaat langzaam door.

India, France Move Closer to Rafale Fighter Deal

Vivek Raghuvanshi, Defense News 5:45 p.m. EDT August 2, 2016

NEW DELHI — India and France move closer to concluding a Rafale fighter-jet deal, estimated at around $9 billion, as the two countries have agreed to sign an inter-governmental agreement (IGA), which was one of the obstacles towards an eventual sale.

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Lees onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2016/08/02/india-france-move-closer-rafale-fighter-deal/87951264/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 03/08/2016 | 12:02 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/08/2016 | 19:39 uur
Air Force Declares F-35A Ready For Combat

http://defnews.ly/2aKGXHE via @defense_news
;D  ;D
De US Air Force zegt dus dat een squadron F-35A Initial Operational Capable is.

De aanvang van de Initial Operational Testing & Evaluation (IOT&E) fase, die 2,5 jaar moet duren, stond eigenlijk gepland op augustus 2017. 
Maar is door de grote hoeveelheid ontwikkeling uitdagingen uitgesteld naar januari of februari 2018.
Oorspronkelijk zou de IOT&E fase aansluiten op het einde van de System Development & Demonstration (SDD) fase.    En dus zou de IOT&E al begonnen moeten zijn in het voorjaar van 2012 en duren tot augustus 2014 !!!     Daarna zou de Full Rate Production fase aanvangen.

Feit is dat men nog steeds aan het worstelen is met de ontwikkeling en testen van de block 3F software.
Men hoopte dat dit afgerond zou zijn in juli 2017, maar wordt waarschijnlijk niet voor januari 2018 afgerond.   Begin van de IOT&E heeft pas zin nadat de 3F software ontwikkeld en getest is.
Vorig jaar (gemeten per oktober 2015) had de gehele F-35 vloot een inzetbaarheid van 51 %, terwijl 60 % gewenst was.
Operationele inzet is voor een groot deel afhankelijk van contractors en workarounds in de gereedstelling.   Dit wordt moeilijk als je de F-35 gaat uitzenden.

Ik daag de US Air Force dan ook uit om nu een "viertje" of een "achtje" F-35A's naar het Midden-Oosten te sturen.
Anderhalve week geleden had men daar te lijden onder een record hitte.
Kan nog leuk worden met de LightningII met al zijn thermische restricties boven de 90 Fahrenheit / 32,22 graden Celsius.
En welke wapens kan de F-35A nu al goed inzetten ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ros op 03/08/2016 | 12:59 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 03/08/2016 | 12:02 uur
Anderhalve week geleden had men daar te lijden onder een record hitte.
Kan nog leuk worden met de LightningII met al zijn thermische restricties boven de 90 Fahrenheit / 32,22 graden Celsius.

Die hoge temperaturen in het Midden Oosten is toch geen uitzondering  ? En dan te bedenken dat in die regio nu en in de toekomst nog aardig wat te gebeuren staat. Zijn de thermische restricties dan later pas aan het licht gekomen ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 03/08/2016 | 13:04 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 02/08/2016 | 09:16 uur
F-35A takes down target drone
The aircraft also carried an internal Raytheon AIM-120C AMRAAM missile, which the pilot employed on a separate target drone before launching the AIM-9X. The drone was beyond visual range and the AIM-120C was directed as planned to self-destruct before impact.

Ik lees elders op het web iets anders:

CitaatDuring the same exercise, LeClair fired an AIM-120C Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile, or AMRAAM, carried internally, to take out another drone. This was a miss, however, as the drone target was out of visual range.

http://www.dodbuzz.com/2016/08/01/air-force-f-35-hits-drone-with-sidewinder-missile-in-kill-test/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/08/2016 | 13:16 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 03/08/2016 | 13:04 uur
Ik lees elders op het web iets anders:

http://www.dodbuzz.com/2016/08/01/air-force-f-35-hits-drone-with-sidewinder-missile-in-kill-test/

Hier dezelfde discussie. Zie bericht #2808 en zie dan ook het originele bericht van edwards.af.mil
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?137788-F-35-News-and-discussion-(2016)-take-III&p=2328726#post2328726
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 03/08/2016 | 13:53 uur
Citaat van: Ros op 03/08/2016 | 12:59 uur
Die hoge temperaturen in het Midden Oosten is toch geen uitzondering  ? En dan te bedenken dat in die regio nu en in de toekomst nog aardig wat te gebeuren staat. Zijn de thermische restricties dan later pas aan het licht gekomen ?
Warmte- of hitte stuwing in de F-35 speelt al jaren.  De F-35 kan niet zoals de F-16 zijn apparatuur aan boord koelen met lucht.  Die verschillende koellucht uitlaten leveren veel radar reflectie en op warmtebeeld camera's lichten zij op met duidelijk zichtbare witte vlekken.   Dus gebruikt men de peut als "heat sink", maar kerosine die uit groen / bruine gecamoufleerde bowsers (tankauto's) komt die lang in de hete buitenlucht / zon bezig zijn blijkt dus te warm.
Dus staat jouw F-35A op een zeer warme vliegbasis, waar de thermometer boven de 32 graden C. komt, dan mogen je wapenruimen maar maximaal 10 minuten gesloten zijn.
Kom je met een F-35 boven de 25.000 voet / 7.625 meter, dan wordt deze in die koude lucht wel goed afgekoeld.   
Maar een F-35 met 2 AIM-120's, 2x 2.000 ponders en zeg meer dan 50 % peut in de tank komt weinig boven die 25.000 voet.  En moet nu ook om de 10 minuten zijn wapenruimen openen om wat warmte kwijt te raken !!!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/08/2016 | 13:55 uur
Navy Schedules F-35C for Third Set of Carrier Trials

Seapower Magazine // August 02, 2016

The Navy's F-35C Lightning II strike fighter is scheduled to begin carrier qualifications (CQs) for the third and final phase of its developmental test program (DT-III) this week, a Navy spokesman said in an e-mail announcing the planned event.
DT-III will be conducted onboard USS George Washington off the Virginia Capes Aug. 3-23. If the event proceeds on schedule, DT-III will begin with an F-35C landing onboard George Washington on Aug. 3

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"A broad range of elements associated with carrier suitability and integration in the at-sea environment will be tested during DT-III, including day and night CQs, launch and recovery with external stores, approach handling qualities with symmetric and asymmetric external stores, Delta Flight Path testing, Joint Precision Approach and Landing System testing, crosswind and maximum-weight launches, military-/maximum-power lunches, and night operations with the [Generation] III Helmet-Mounted Display," said Cmdr. Dave Hecht, public affairs officer for commander, Naval Air Force Atlantic.

The F-35C as put through its first set of carrier trials, DT-I, in November 2014 onboard USS Nimitz in the Southern California operations area. The F-35C, operated by Air Test & Evaluation 23, made the aircraft's first carrier landing on Nov, 3, 2014. The pilots in the event accomplished 33 flights that included 124 catapult launches, 222 touch-and-go landings, and 124 arrested landings.

Read the full story at Seapower Magazine. (http://www.seapowermagazine.org/stories/20160802-f35c.html)

https://www.f35.com/news/detail/navy-schedules-f-35c-for-third-set-of-carrier-trials
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Helderik op 08/08/2016 | 08:34 uur
Interessant artikel, zie link hieronder.

http://thf-reports.s3.amazonaws.com/2016/BG3140.pdf


Bron:
This paper, in its entirety, can be found at http://report.heritage.org/bg3140
The Heritage Foundation
214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE
Washington, DC 20002
(202) 546-4400 | heritage.org
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 08/08/2016 | 09:34 uur
Citaat van: Helderik op 08/08/2016 | 08:34 uur
Interessant artikel, zie link hieronder.

http://thf-reports.s3.amazonaws.com/2016/BG3140.pdf

Bron:
This paper, in its entirety, can be found at http://report.heritage.org/bg3140
The Heritage Foundation
214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE
Washington, DC 20002
(202) 546-4400 | heritage.org

The Heritage Foundation is een conservatieve denktank.  En wordt onder andere 'ondersteunt' door ... LockheedMartin !
De schrijver Venable heeft verschillende artikelen over de F-35 geschreven, waarin deze gepromoot wordt.

Niets interessants dus, puur propaganda.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 08/08/2016 | 10:33 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 08/08/2016 | 09:34 uur
The Heritage Foundation is een conservatieve denktank.  En wordt onder andere 'ondersteunt' door ... LockheedMartin !
De schrijver Venable heeft verschillende artikelen over de F-35 geschreven, waarin deze gepromoot wordt.

Niets interessants dus, puur propaganda.

Vooral dapper hoe ze concurrency verdedigen als 'the way to go'.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/08/2016 | 09:56 uur
Saudi F-15SA basing and unit plans revealed

Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 08 August 2016

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.janes.com%2Fimages%2Fassets%2F819%2F62819%2F1480552_-_main.jpg&hash=2eeaa53b7a003afbfdaeade431f6f85b100441ae)
An F-15SA on a pre-delivery flight trial in 2013. The Royal Saudi Air Force is to field 152 such aircraft in total, to be made up of new-build and remanufactured platforms. Source: Boeing

The US government has revealed basing and unit plans for the Royal Saudi Air Force's (RSAF's) Boeing F-15SA (Saudi Advanced) Eagle fleet ahead of the commencement of deliveries.

The details were disclosed in early August in a Federal Business Opportunities (FedBizOpps) request for information (RfI) for F-15SA support that will run from March 2017 until March 2021.

According to the solicitation, the F-15SA will be operated by 55 Formal Training Unit (FTU) and 6 Squadron (currently an F-15S unit) at King Khalid Air Base (KKAB) in the south-west of Saudi Arabia; 29 Squadron (not currently stood-up) at King Faisal Air Base (KFAB) in the north-west of the country; and 92 Squadron (currently an F-15S unit) and the Fighter Weapons School at King Abdulaziz Air Base (KAAB) on the Gulf coast near Bahrain.

The RSAF is to receive 152 F-15SAs, of which 84 will be new build and 68 will be remanufactured F-15S platforms. Procured under a USD29.4 billion Foreign Military Sale (the largest in US history), the F-15SA is the most advanced variant of the Eagle ordered to date. Enhanced features include upgraded avionics (with a digital 'glass' cockpit); a BAE Systems Digital Electronic Warfare System/Common Missile Warning System (DEWS/CMWS); fly-by-wire controls; an infrared search-and-track (IRST) system; and the Raytheon APG-63(V)3 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar. The aircraft will also be fitted with new flight control components/surfaces from Goodrich and the F-15S Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 powerplant will be replaced with the more powerful General Electric F110-GE-129.

Both the front and rear cockpit positions feature joint helmet-mounted cueing systems, and the two outermost underwing weapon pylons have been activated to increase the aircraft's hardpoints to 11. New weapon systems, including the latest-generation AIM-9X Sidewinder short-range air-to-air missile and an assortment of air-to-surface and anti-shipping weaponry, have also been ordered.

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http://www.janes.com/article/62819/saudi-f-15sa-basing-and-unit-plans-revealed
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/08/2016 | 14:14 uur
Seoul sets timeline for indigenous KFX AESA development

10 August, 2016 | By: Greg Waldron | Singapore

South Korea has set a timeline for the development of an indigenous active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar to be use aboard the planned KFX fighter.

The radar will be developed by the country's Agency for Defense Development (ADD), with the first prototype ready in the second half 2020, says Seoul's Defense Acquisition and Procurement Administration.

DAPA foresees six years of development, with the new radar to be ready for deployment in 2026.

The ADD will develop the radar in conjunction with Hanhwa Thales, which won a competitive tender for the project in early 2016. The main contractor for the KFX programme is Korea Aerospace Industries.

Seoul's decision to develop the radar at home follows Washington DC's decision not to grant Seoul an export licence for the technology in 2015.

Export licences were also denied for infrared search and track, electro-optical target tracking devices, and jammers.

South Korea is developing the KFX in conjunction with Indonesia, a 20% partner in the programme. Seoul could eventually obtain 120 examples of the aircraft, and Indonesia 80.

The KFX will be powered by two General Electric F414 engines.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/seoul-sets-timeline-for-indigenous-kfx-aesa-develop-428366/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 10/08/2016 | 18:40 uur
Singapore Drops the F-35 Stealth Fighter

Singapore has put on hold an order for F-35B stealth combat aircraft.
http://thediplomat.com/2016/08/enough-air-power-singapore-drops-the-f-35-stealth-fighter/ (http://thediplomat.com/2016/08/enough-air-power-singapore-drops-the-f-35-stealth-fighter/)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 13/08/2016 | 09:11 uur
Verstandig.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/08/2016 | 09:33 uur
Niet echt een ontwikkeling, maar mogelijk wel een interessant artikel over het in gebruik houden van de JAS 39C/D Gripen.

Debate started: keep older Swedish Gripen jets flying

Marcel Burger | 13 August 2016

A debate has started in Sweden to keep part of the current Gripen C/D fighter fleet of the Swedish Air Force flying, even after the purchase of the new and more capable E/F-model. Target: to safeguard that Sweden is able to protect its borders and economic zone.

.../...

Zie onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://airheadsfly.com/2016/08/13/debate-keep-older-swedish-gripen-jets-flying/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 15/08/2016 | 10:28 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 15/08/2016 | 09:33 uur
Niet echt een ontwikkeling, maar mogelijk wel een interessant artikel over het in gebruik houden van de JAS 39C/D Gripen.
Debate started: keep older Swedish Gripen jets flying
Het artikel is zeker interessant.
De Zweden worstelen dus ook met het probleem dat hoogtechnologisch te duur begint te worden.
Maatschappelijk kan men hoge aantallen van duur defensiemateriaal niet (meer) verkopen aan de bevolking.
Voor landen als bv Belgie, Denemarken, Portugal en mss zelfs Nederland was de Gripen een goede keuze geweest als vervanger van de F-16.
Maar dat lijkt nu een (bijna volledig) gepasseerd station te zijn. Jammer.

KC-390 komt hier ook even ter sprake. Toeval?
Ik vraag me af of er een of andere "deal" of afspraak gemaakt werd tussen Zweden en Brazilianen om de Gripen te kunnen slijten.
Momenteel is het ook stil rond de Sea Gripen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 15/08/2016 | 10:49 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 15/08/2016 | 10:28 uur
Het artikel is zeker interessant.
De Zweden worstelen dus ook met het probleem dat hoogtechnologisch te duur begint te worden.
Maatschappelijk kan men hoge aantallen van duur defensiemateriaal niet (meer) verkopen aan de bevolking.
Voor landen als bv Belgie, Denemarken, Portugal en mss zelfs Nederland was de Gripen een goede keuze geweest als vervanger van de F-16.
Maar dat lijkt nu een (bijna volledig) gepasseerd station te zijn. Jammer.

KC-390 komt hier ook even ter sprake. Toeval?
Ik vraag me af of er een of andere "deal" of afspraak gemaakt werd tussen Zweden en Brazilianen om de Gripen te kunnen slijten.
Momenteel is het ook stil rond de Sea Gripen.


60 toestellen lijkt mij inderdaad te weinig, aanhouden zou mooi zijn, maar ik hoop eigenlijk dat ze de C/D kunnen verkopen aan EU  partners, landen als Bulgarije of Griekenland,  Portugal etc. Het zou de Europese defensie industrie en maximale boost geven. En hopelijk steld het de Zweden in staat om dan een 2e batch te bestellen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/08/2016 | 11:01 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 15/08/2016 | 10:49 uur
60 toestellen lijkt mij inderdaad te weinig, aanhouden zou mooi zijn, maar ik hoop eigenlijk dat ze de C/D kunnen verkopen aan EU  partners, landen als Bulgarije of Griekenland,  Portugal etc. Het zou de Europese defensie industrie en maximale boost geven. En hopelijk steld het de Zweden in staat om dan een 2e batch te bestellen.

Ook als de Zweedse luchtmacht 30 stuks van de JAS 39C in gebruik houdt, dan nog blijft er genoeg over voor export naar bijvoorbeeld het genoemde Bulgarije.

Bij Griekenland heb ik mijn twijfels. Bij hen zie ik het er wel van komen dat hun F-16C/D mogelijk naar F-16V worden gemoderniseerd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 15/08/2016 | 11:25 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 15/08/2016 | 11:01 uur
Ook als de Zweedse luchtmacht 30 stuks van de JAS 39C in gebruik houdt, dan nog blijft er genoeg over voor export naar bijvoorbeeld het genoemde Bulgarije.

Bij Griekenland heb ik mijn twijfels. Bij hen zie ik het er wel van komen dat hun F-16C/D mogelijk naar F-16V worden gemoderniseerd.


Tsja, het zou m.i. mooi zijn. Ik zie wel mogelijkheden, maar met Griekenland, Polen en Roemenië is de kans inderdaad niet heel groot alsook Spanje en Portugal. En eventuele verkopen aan Bulgarije, Slowakije, Kroatië en misschien een paar extra voor Tsjechië en Hongarije zullen in totaal ook niet meer zijn dan enkele tientallen, en dat is het 'best case scenario'.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ros op 15/08/2016 | 11:29 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 13/08/2016 | 09:11 uur
Verstandig.

With a relatively young fleet of advanced F-15 and F-16 multi-role fighters already in its current fighter inventory, Singapore's defense establishment will likely want to see several aspects of the JSF program mature before committing.............

Eerst maar eens zien wat het beestje echt kan en wat de praktijk ervaringen zijn. Inderdaad verstandig als je de beperkingen kent die nu al bekend zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/08/2016 | 11:32 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 15/08/2016 | 11:25 uur
En eventuele verkopen aan Bulgarije, Slowakije, Kroatië en misschien een paar extra voor Tsjechië en Hongarije zullen in totaal ook niet meer zijn dan enkele tientallen, en dat is het 'best case scenario'.

Misschien wil ook Zuid-Afrika een aantal verkopen/beschikbaar stellen voor leasing. Zij hebben nog een aantal ongebruikte in opslag staan. En Saab kan afhankelijk van de vraag de productie van de JAS 39C/D Gripen opnieuw opstarten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/08/2016 | 16:53 uur
JASDF releases images of first F-35

Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 15 August 2016

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The first F-35 for the Japan Air Self-Defense Force (JASDF) is seen at the Fort Worth production facility ahead of the commencement of flight trials and delivery. Source: Japan Air Self-Defense Force

The first Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) for Japan was photographed at the Fort Worth production facility in mid-August.

The images, released by the Japan Air Self-Defence Force (JASDF) on 14 August, show aircraft 69-8701 (also designated AX-1) in its completed state ahead of flight tests and delivery to the international training fleet at Luke Air Force Base (AFB), Arizona, in the coming weeks. Four aircraft for the JASDF are currently being built at Fort Worth.

Japan has committed itself to buying 28 F-35As over the next five-years (6 of the aircraft are under contract), and has a total requirement of 42 to replace its ageing Mitsubishi-McDonnell Douglas F-4J Kai (Phantom II) aircraft, which have been in service since the early 1970s.

On 25 June 2014, then Japanese defence minister Itsunori Onodera announced that the F-35 would initially be based at Misawa, which is expected to receive the first 4 of about 20 aircraft during fiscal year 2017. The initial operating unit is expected to be either 301 or 302 Squadron.

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http://www.janes.com/article/62957/jasdf-releases-images-of-first-f-35
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/08/2016 | 18:32 uur
UK orders advanced ASRAAM weapons for F-35B

BY: Beth Stevenson | London | 16 August, 2016

MBDA has been awarded a £184 million ($238 million) contract for the provision of advanced short range air-to-air missiles (ASRAAMs) for the UK's Lockheed Martin F-35B Joint Strike Fighter.

The contract covers the purchase of a new variant of the weapon currently in operation with the Royal Air Force on its Panavia Tornado GR4s and Eurofighter Typhoons. Integration onto the F-35B will be covered under a separate contract, the Ministry of Defence says.

Announced on 16 August, the deal builds on a £300 million award to MBDA in September 2015 to support a Capability Sustainment Programme (CSP) for the development of the new variant of the weapon for the RAF's Typhoons, and will add to the stockpile of a new common ASRAAM for the MoD. This will enter service on the Typhoon in 2018.

The F-35 is due to reach initial operational capability for land-based operations with the UK in December 2018, but the MoD plans to use the current ASRAAM missile on the Lightning II until 2022. The point at which the production lines will cross over from the older to the newer variant has yet to be determined.

Integration of the CSP version of the ASRAAM on the UK's F-35s will come under the Block 4 software upgrade that the aircraft will undergo; it is currently in the 3i configuration, and will subsequently evolve to a 3F standard.

The first batch of the current ASRAAM variant was delivered to the USA in January, ahead of flight trials on board the F-35, supported by UK weapons integration lead BAE Systems.

The test examples were the first British-built missiles to be installed on the JSF, and are undergoing flight trials from NAS Patuxent River in Maryland and Edwards AFB in California. The RAF's F-35B test and evaluation unit, 17 Sqn, is based at the latter location.

Initial tests were to include environmental data gathering, safe separation from the aircraft, weapon integration testing, firing trials and target engagement.

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Lockheed Martin

The ASRAAM is a short-range, infrared-guided missile capable of flying at Mach 3. Its new version will be manufactured at MBDA's Bolton, Lancashire site. It has the same performance characteristics as the current configuration, but benefits from an MBDA seeker – a Raytheon one is currently used – that includes its own cooling system instead of using the aircraft's.

It will also be easily upgraded through software changes that will enhance the image processing and algorithm performance, and components from other MBDA products – such as the Common Anti-air Modular Missile – will be introduced.

MBDA says the MoD will benefit from the cost savings associated with a new-build missile programme, instead of relying on refurbished weapons to support operations.

"ASRAAM will provide vital offensive and defensive options for UK F-35 pilots against a wide range of air-to-air threats," Tony Douglas, chief executive of the MoD's Defence Equipment and Support organisation, says.

"The project to update the weapon and integrate it with the F-35 provides a clear example of the MoD and UK industry working effectively together to provide our armed forces with the best equipment possible."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/uk-orders-advanced-asraam-weapons-for-f-35b-428544/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/08/2016 | 10:22 uur
US Navy makes F-35C carrier qualification push

BY: Stephen Trimble | Washington DC | 17 August, 2016

The US Navy continued a three-year campaign to build the Lockheed Martin F-35C's sea legs with the third and last shipboard deployment of the development test phase for the carrier-based variant starting on 14 August.

Five production aircraft from the navy's Eglin AFB-based training squadron joined two test F-35Cs — numbered CF-3 and CF-5 — onboard the USS George Washington aircraft carrier in the Atlantic Ocean for a two-seek series of flight tests, as well as deck and hangar suitability checks.

The third carrier deployment since November 2014 for the single-engined fighter is focusing on expanding the F-35C's flight envelope with take-offs and landing, including various configurations of external stores, a semi-automated landing mode called Delta Flight Path and take-offs and landings in cross-wind conditions.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=68120)

The F-35C also is being scrutinized for how its redesigned arresting hook performs the George Washington's flight deck. In the first round of carrier testing aboard the USS Nimitz in November 2014, the F-35C's resculpted tailhook performed flawlessly, with no unplanned missed landings in 122 attempts, according to a 2016 report by the Pentagon's Office of Test Evaluation. Such testing includes some planned missed approaches to evaluate how the aircraft performs during a go-around.

But a follow-up deployment last October aboard the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower resulted in seven "bolters" in 62 attempted carrier landings. Those results may have been skewed, however, because one of the four arresting wires on the Eisenhower's deck was out of service during the demonstration.

In dozens of attempted landings from 14 August to 17 August on the Washington, the F-35Cs had reported no unplanned missed landings, according to the F-35 joint programme office.

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Carrier suitability also evaluates how the F-35C is maintained at sea. Operations require maintainers to perform checks of engines and auxiliary power units (APUs) below-deck inside the carrier's hangar. The functional APU in the F-35C — Honeywell's integrated power package (IPP) — vents hot exhaust upward from the top of the fuselage. The navy's maintainers are monitoring whether the heat damages the hangar ceiling and how the emissions escape from within the hangar bay.

The F-35C also introduces a new innovation in flight controls for cold-sweat-inducing carriers landings. Under the "Magic Carpet" programme, the navy integrated direct lift controls into the throttle and coupled that with a new Delta Flight Path law to partially automate the glideslope path, with the pilot required to make only minor corrections after "calling the ball" on final approach to the carrier.

Passing the carrier qualifications is one of the final steps in the overall F-35 programme's 15-year-old system development and demonstration (SDD) programme. The F-35C is scheduled to become the last of the three variants to achieve initial operational capability in 2018, following operational clearances for the US Air Force's F-35A in July and the Marine Corps' F-35B a year before.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=68122)

So far, only the US Navy and Marine Corps plan to buy C-model, with the former taking 260 and the later 80. With longer and folding wings, strengtehend landing gear and additional control surfaces, the F-35C is optimised to be operated at sea.

The 13.1m (41ft) wingspan is longer than the F-35A and F-35B by 2.4m, but has recently hit a snag. Last October, a front spar of an F-35C in a durability test rig cracked at 13,731 simulated flight hours, or nearly 6,000 flight hours beyond the type's required service life. Even so, the programme office is developing a fix using conventional methods, such as cold working and local strengthening. After 20 more hours of durability testing, two new cracks were discovered on either side of a fuselage bulkhead on the F-35C. Those cracks were still under investigation as of last March.

All photos courtesy of Lockheed Martin

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-navy-makes-f-35c-carrier-qualification-push-428594/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/08/2016 | 17:55 uur
U.S. Navy DT-III augustus 2016.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/08/2016 | 11:35 uur
Japan wants its F-15J to carry 16 air-to-air missiles     ... nog een upgrade voor de Eagle's !   :big-smile:

The Nikkei reported that Japan is rolling out a series of upgrades to its F-15J fleet and one key requirement is to have the fighter double its missile load to 16 air-to-air missiles.

Boeing this year unveiled its 2040C concept that will allow the air superiority version of the F-15 to do that.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=63822)

Besides upgrading the armament, Tokyo wants to fix the jets to expand its lifespan.

http://alert5.com/2016/08/21/japan-wants-its-f-15j-to-carry-16-air-to-air-missiles/

uitgebreider artikel :
http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/Japan-eyes-fiercer-fighter-jets-to-counter-China
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 23/08/2016 | 23:10 uur
Een opwaardering specifiek voor Japanse F-15 Eagles wel te verstaan.
Japanse luchtverdediging jagers moeten op grote afstanden een relatief groot aantal doelen bestrijden.

Bedenk wel dat met die Conformal Fuel Tank 'eekhoorn wangen' langs de romp en 16 meest radar geleide raketten de wendbaarheid ernstig te leiden heeft.

In Japan zelf denkt men dan ook aan een luchtkruiser a la de Fokker T.5, maar dan 21ste eeuws.
De wendbaarheid komt dan op een tweede plan, na een groot bereik - wapenlast en uitgebreid sensor pakket.

Ik zou dan eerder denken aan verder ontwikkelde op afstand bestuurbare X-47B's met minimaal 8 air-to-air raketten intern.  En uitgerust met een AESA radar, lange afstand IR camera's en een 360 graden rondom geavanceerd radar peil systeem.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 24/08/2016 | 08:36 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 23/08/2016 | 23:10 uur
Een opwaardering specifiek voor Japanse F-15 Eagles wel te verstaan.
Japanse luchtverdediging jagers moeten op grote afstanden een relatief groot aantal doelen bestrijden.

Bedenk wel dat met die Conformal Fuel Tank 'eekhoorn wangen' langs de romp en 16 meest radar geleide raketten de wendbaarheid ernstig te leiden heeft.


idd deze upgrade wordt tot nu toe alleen door Japan doorgevoerd, misschien dat andere landen deze in de komende jaren ook doorvoeren ?
Dit alles om een massale aanval met Chinese vliegtuigen te counteren met een spervuur van raketten.

Japanese F-15s to "throw more" hardware at Chinese

The Japanese Air Self-Defense Force Mitsubishi (McDonnell Douglas) F-15J/DJ Eagles are facing an update program that is aimed solely at them being able to throw more into the face of advancing Chinese combat pilots.

That is in short the analysis of the Tokyo plans with the spearhead of the Japanese airborne air-defence. Of the more than 220 built F-15J/DJ air supiority fighters the first 40 will see their air-to-air missile load doubled to 16 pieces, half of it short-range, the other half medium-/long-range.

Sweeping the skies
According to sources in Tokyo once airborne these F-15s should be able to stop or slow down a large-scale Chinese air attack, sweeping the skies clean enough of Chinese fighter jets and attack aircraft to last another day. Japan military sources – quoted also by Nikkei – are said to be worried by a more and more active Chinese air force and naval air arm.

Naha Airbase
Earlier this year the JASDF moved one of its F-15CJ/DJ squadrons from Tsuiki Airbase in the Fukuoka area to Naha Airbase on Okinawa. Although closer to China by at least 215 miles (400 km) it leaves a direct flight line to mainland Japan and Tokyo more open. Apparently Japan is more worried with the Chinese reaching Okinawa for a limited military operation than it is for a large scale long-distance attack further into Japanese airspace.

Naha Air Base now has about 40 F-15CJ/DJ combat jets on strength. They may be the first to carry 16 air-to-air missiles in the near future.

http://airheadsfly.com/2016/08/23/japanese-f-15s-to-throw-more-hardware-at-chinese/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/08/2016 | 09:07 uur
F-35 exit strategy: Canada could pay about $313M to pull out of jet program, defence documents show

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/f-35-exit-strategy-canada-could-pay-about-313m-to-pull-out-of-jet-program-defence-documents-show
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/08/2016 | 09:15 uur
GAO: Air Force Needs More Information Before Divesting A-10

WASHINGTON — When the US Air Force first announced its plans to divest the A-10 Warthog in the fiscal 2015 budget, the service may not have had enough quality information to truly understand the impact of that decision, a new Government Accountability Office report contends.

According to a study released Aug. 24, the Air Force initially intended to retire the A-10 Warthog without having a full understanding of the capability gaps that could have resulted by mothballing the fleet. Although the service was aware of some of the risks, it did not establish clear requirements for all of the missions the aircraft performs — a fact the GAO believes could hamper future divestment decisions.

The Air Force is currently mulling the future of close-air support, including its plans for the Warthog fleet and the potential procurement of an A-X to replace it.

.../...

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/a-10-divestment-gao-report-air-force-more-information

GAO rapport :
http://www.gao.gov/assets/680/679205.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 25/08/2016 | 10:38 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 24/08/2016 | 08:36 uur
idd deze upgrade wordt tot nu toe alleen door Japan doorgevoerd, misschien dat andere landen deze in de komende jaren ook doorvoeren ?
Dit alles om een massale aanval met Chinese vliegtuigen te counteren met een spervuur van raketten.

De VS deed toch ook onderzoek naar ik meen het ombouwen van Bones naar missile trucks.
Welke landen zouden nog met hetzelfde probleem zitten dat op deze manier opgelost kan worden. Israel en Zuid-Korea maybe.
Uiteraard kan elk land profiteren van een fors grotere weaponload. Maar de F15 specifiek is al niet licht bewapend. Deze upgrade is specifiek nuttig voor landen die te maken hebben met een numeriek overweldigende dreiging op korte afstand. Niet veel landen die daar mee te maken hebben. 

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/08/2016 | 11:48 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 25/08/2016 | 10:38 uur
De VS deed toch ook onderzoek naar ik meen het ombouwen van Bones naar missile trucks.
Welke landen zouden nog met hetzelfde probleem zitten dat op deze manier opgelost kan worden. Israel en Zuid-Korea maybe.
Uiteraard kan elk land profiteren van een fors grotere weaponload. Maar de F15 specifiek is al niet licht bewapend. Deze upgrade is specifiek nuttig voor landen die te maken hebben met een numeriek overweldigende dreiging op korte afstand. Niet veel landen die daar mee te maken hebben.

Ik zou me kunnen voorstellen dat de multiple ejector rack (MER) aan de binnenste ophangpunten van de vleugels met 4x AMRAAM ook toegepast kan worden bij de F-16.
(Bepalende factor is waarschijnlijk de draagkracht van de vleugel voor toepassing van deze MER)
Maar als deze ook toegepast kan worden bij de F-16 (meer dan 4500+ gebouwd en in gebruik bij 24+ landen) dan kan dit een simpele upgrade zijn om een meer A to A raketten in de lucht te hebben.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 25/08/2016 | 12:31 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 25/08/2016 | 11:48 uur
Ik zou me kunnen voorstellen dat de multiple ejector rack (MER) aan de binnenste ophangpunten van de vleugels met 4x AMRAAM ook toegepast kan worden bij de F-16.
(Bepalende factor is waarschijnlijk de draagkracht van de vleugel voor toepassing van deze MER)
Maar als deze ook toegepast kan worden bij de F-16 (meer dan 4500+ gebouwd en in gebruik bij 24+ landen) dan kan dit een simpele upgrade zijn om een meer A to A raketten in de lucht te hebben.


4 amraam + rack zal iets van 800kg? zijn, moet dus wel kunnen met een jager die ook 2000 ponders gooit.
Mooie upgrade, zeker, maar kan me voorstellen dat veel landen hier geen prio aan geven. Meeste zijn meer bezig hun toestellen langer in de lucht te houden, en op meer plekken, om die enkele tegenstander uit de lucht te halen, dan om hele zwermen Chinese, Koreaanse of Egyptische toestellen uit de lucht te halen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/08/2016 | 12:41 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 25/08/2016 | 12:31 uur
4 amraam + rack zal iets van 800kg? zijn, moet dus wel kunnen met een jager die ook 2000 ponders gooit.
Mooie upgrade, zeker, maar kan me voorstellen dat veel landen hier geen prio aan geven. Meeste zijn meer bezig hun toestellen langer in de lucht te houden, en op meer plekken, om die enkele tegenstander uit de lucht te halen, dan om hele zwermen Chinese, Koreaanse of Egyptische toestellen uit de lucht te halen.

Met eventuele Russische avonturen in het oostelijk deel van Europa en hun geldingsdrang in het Noordpool gebied zie ik ook Europese NAVO landen kiezen voor dergelijke upgrade voor een beperkt deel van hun bestaande fighters.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 25/08/2016 | 13:03 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/08/2016 | 12:41 uur
Met eventuele Russische avonturen in het oostelijk deel van Europa en hun geldingsdrang in het Noordpool gebied zie ik ook Europese NAVO landen kiezen voor dergelijke upgrade voor een beperkt deel van hun bestaande fighters.

Misschien. Maar de EU landen hebben meer fighters dan de Russen*. Bedenk dat een Typhoon ook al vliegt met 8+2 AAM. Probleem is meer dat we de toestellen wel op de juiste plek moeten hebben, en in de lucht moeten kunnen houden. dwz endurance, location, LRAD, AWAC etc.

Ben zeker voorstander van de upgrade, maar denk niet dat het veel aftrek gaat vinden, denk dat de meeste landen voor andere investeringen gaan kiezen.

*Ongeveer 800 voor Rusland vs ongeveer 1800 voor de EU.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/08/2016 | 14:50 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 25/08/2016 | 12:31 uur
4 amraam + rack zal iets van 800kg? zijn, moet dus wel kunnen met een jager die ook 2000 ponders gooit.

Het ligt niet aan het gewicht dat de stations 3 en 7 van de F-16 kunnen dragen. Wel moet men rekening houden met de totale afmetingen van zo'n geladen quad rack. Er moet immers veilig kunnen worden gelanceerd.

Er is overigens in het verleden getest met een dual launcher voor de AIM-9/AIM-120 op de genoemde stations. Echter is er geen land die dit operationeel in gebruik heeft. De F-16 houdt het dus voorlopig bij maximaal 6 air-to-air missiles (stations 1/2/3/7/8/9).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 26/08/2016 | 12:00 uur
CitaatThe Islamic Republic of Iran is holding consultations with Russia over the purchase of an unknown number of Sukhoi Su-30SM multi-role fighter jets, according to the Iranian minister of defense, General Hossein Dehghan.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/08/will-iran-buy-russian-fighter-jets/ (http://thediplomat.com/2016/08/will-iran-buy-russian-fighter-jets/)

Feitelijke verkoop zou dan pas over 5 jaar plaats kunnen vinden, als het UN embargo gehandhaafd blijft.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/08/2016 | 19:33 uur
DT-III ramps up weapon testing

Published: August 24th, 2016

The ongoing DT-III carrier embark for the Lockheed Martin F-35C is ramping up with external stores carriage.

In our forthcoming October issue, out next Thursday, we feature a report on the first few days of the three-week trial, the third and final developmental test (DT) carrier embark for the F-35C, which began on August 14 aboard USS George Washington (CVN-73) off the coast of Virginia.

During the first two developmental test programs in October 2015 on the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower and November 2014 on the Nimitz, pilots conducted catapult takeoffs, arrested landings, and touch-and-gos on the deck while also opening up the flight envelope of the F-35C. August's DT-III takes it all a step further with over 600 test points being conducted and the bulk of the flights focusing on launch and recovery with external stores such as GBU-12 laser-guided bombs and AIM-9X Sidewinders. This will include approach handling qualities with symmetric and asymmetric external stores, so-called Delta Flight Path testing, Joint Precision Approach and Landing System testing, crosswind and maximum-weight launches, military-/maximum-power lunches.

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CV DT-III CF-03 Flt 341 piloted by Maj Eric Northam, CF-05 Flt 222 Tony Wilson piloted on the USS George Washington on 21 Aug, 2016. Shot by: Michael D. Jackson

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CV DT-III CF-3 FLT 341 piloted by MAJ Eric Northam. CF-5 FLT 222 Piloted by Mr. Tony Wilson. USS George Washington on 21 Aug. 2016 Photography by Todd R. McQueen

http://www.combataircraft.net/2016/08/24/dt-iii-ramps-up-weapons-testing/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/08/2016 | 07:18 uur
Air Force Prepares to Hash Out Future Fighter Requirements

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/air-force-future-fighter-jet-penetrating-counter-air-next-generation-air-dominance
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/08/2016 | 09:30 uur
WATCH: BAE design 'self repairing' combat aircraft

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/watch-bae-design-self-repairing-combat-aircraft/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ros op 29/08/2016 | 12:38 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/08/2016 | 09:30 uur
WATCH: BAE design 'self repairing' combat aircraft

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/watch-bae-design-self-repairing-combat-aircraft/

Op deze site;

COMMENT

mike saul August 24, 2016 at 09:35
I do love these fantasy projects that are unaffordable and never going to happen.


:cute-smile:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/08/2016 | 13:49 uur
Citaat van: Ros op 29/08/2016 | 12:38 uur
Op deze site;

COMMENT

mike saul August 24, 2016 at 09:35
I do love these fantasy projects that are unaffordable and never going to happen.


:cute-smile:

Te gemakkelijk...  en voor het woordje "never" ontbreekt een glazen bol.

Als dat ook de reactie zou zijn was geweest ten tijden van de gebroeders Wright dan was heel veel onmogelijk gebleven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 30/08/2016 | 14:53 uur
Advances in stealth, range expected under NGAD (next-generation air dominance)

Key Points
•NGAD will include improvements to legacy combat aircrafts' low-observable capability and range
•Stealth would be improved by reducing observability of aircraft at more frequencies, while greater range could be achieved with penetrating aerial refuelling capability

The Pentagon's next-generation air dominance (NGAD) effort to develop follow-on technologies to the US Air Force's (USAF's) and US Navy's (USN's) Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter and the USN's Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet is taking shape and will include improvements to low-observable capability and aircraft range, according to the service's top scientific research and technology official.

The USAF in May released its "Air Superiority 2030 Flight Plan" announcing that it would rapidly develop a programme that mates cyber warfare, electronic warfare, and even space capabilities to advance the state of the art in air-to-air and air-to-ground warfare. While the new programme is expected to harness disparate capabilities, NGAD is defined by improvements in two key areas - stealth and range - according to USAF chief scientist Greg Zacharias.

"I think stealth is a key issue at more frequencies than we have it now," Zacharias told IHS Jane's on 19 August. "And I think range is the other one." He added that one means of achieving greater range could be the development of penetrating aerial refuelling capability. "If I can get a tanker to fuel closer into an [anti-access/area denial] A2/AD environment, it might be more important to get the tanker protected" from advanced air defence systems, he said. "If you can get a tanker closer in, you don't need as much range on the aircraft. I think strategists are looking at a more holistic solution. Maybe I don't need a fighter with big tanks on it, maybe I need tanker."

The description bears a striking resemblance to the USN's about-face on its Unmanned Carrier-Launched Aerial Surveillance and Strike system.

http://www.janes.com/article/63291/advances-in-stealth-range-expected-under-ngad
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 30/08/2016 | 15:02 uur
Northrop Grumman to develop laser pod to protect USAF fighters

Northrop Grumman has been awarded a USD39.3 million contract related to the development of a laser-based self-defence system for the US Air Force (USAF).

The contract, which was awarded by the Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) on 23 August, is for the Self-Protect High Energy Laser Demonstrator (SHiELD) Turret Research in Aero-Effects (STRAFE) programme.

Northrop Grumman will develop and deliver an advanced beam control system for integration as part of a complete laser weapons system into a tactical pod for USAF fighter aircraft.

As noted by the Department of Defense (DoD), the STRAFE aspect of the award will increase the knowledge and understanding of aero-optic disturbances in a supersonic environment by collecting data during engagement scenarios.

Work is expected to be complete by 31 August 2021.

It is intended that the SHiELD pod would better enable the USAF's fourth-generation fighter fleet, such as the Boeing F-15 Eagle and Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, to survive in contested airspace. The fifth-generation Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II would probably not carry the pod, as it would negate their stealth characteristics.

Current defence countermeasures divert incoming missiles away from the target aircraft, while the externally carried SHiELD pod would instead destroy the missile. Future pods will seek to increase this power output for greater effect/range.

http://www.janes.com/article/63185/northrop-grumman-to-develop-laser-pod-to-protect-usaf-fighters

USAF considers defensive lasers for future fighters
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-considers-defensive-lasers-for-future-fighters-421535/

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=65057)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/09/2016 | 10:14 uur


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/09/2016 | 10:53 uur
PAK-FA ready for mass production, Russia to buy at least 1 squadron of aircraft

Russia's Deputy Minister for Defense Yuri Borisov has said that the Sukhoi PAK-FA is ready for mass production and Moscow plans to buy at least a squadron of aircraft in 2017.

http://alert5.com/2016/09/08/pak-fa-ready-for-mass-production-russia-to-buy-at-least-1-squadron-of-aircraft/

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(even los dat het van Russische makelij is, wel een mooi toestel om te zien) 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/09/2016 | 15:29 uur
Norway's Defense Minister Under Fire Over Costly F-35 Fighter Jets

Norwegian Defense Minister Ine Eriksen Søreide has landed in hot water for supposedly playing down the purchase cost of pricey US-made F-35 fighter jets. Meanwhile, unforeseen and skyrocketing expenses are feared to leave even larger dents in the country's defense.

Previously, the Norwegian parliament had green-lighted spending [fully] 81.6 billion NOK (roughly $9.9 billion) on the fighter jets. This sum was determined with a [probability] grade of P85, meaning that there was an 85 percent chance that the final price would fall within the estimated bracket.

When questioned by parliament, Søreide indicated the price was 80.2 billion NOK (roughly $9.7 billion), but provided a [probability] grade of P50, thus tacitly acknowledging [a 50% risk] of a possible price hike, Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported.

According to Olav Torp, professor of the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU), there is a huge difference between the two figures, which possibly implies extra defense expenditure. The Norwegian defense was therefore left with a 50 percent probability that the overall price tag for the much-debated fighter jets will exceed the frame, set by parliament.

During the dispute over the expensive fighter jets, Liberal deputy Ola Elvestuen asked the Defense Minister to "calm down" on her shopping trips to the United States. So far, [22 aircraft have already been ordered. According to him, the purchase of the next 18 jets must be postponed until the Defense Ministry sets things straight.

"First we have to get costs under control. Søreide's comparison of P50 and P85 is no trifling matter, as the two figures are not comparable. When P50 seems almost on par with P85, in reality it means a significant cost increase," Elvestuen told Dagbladet, citing risks of the situation spinning out of control amid a strong dollar.

In 2008, Norway chose the F-35 as a successor to replace its outdated fleet of F-16s. In total, Oslo expects to buy 52 F-35 aircraft, of which the first was commissioned in 2012. The first Norwegian F-35s will be stationed in the US, where Norwegian crews will be trained. The first aircraft delivery to Norway is expected to happen in 2017.

In June, the Norwegian government presented its long-term plan for the military update. The biggest priorities were stated as combat aircraft and submarines, at the expense of the army and the national guard, which triggered many angry reactions among high-ranking military officials and security experts for weakening Norway's overall defense potential. Earlier, Norwegian newspaper Klassekampen revealed that Søreide had lost an internal party struggle and was forced to make do with 41 billion NOK (roughly $5 billion) less than she had asked for the fighter jet purchase.

Curiously, Søreide defended her choice with fears of an increased dependence on NATO. "When things get more expensive than expected, you end up in a jam, and cuts will occur where possible. After all, it's our army power," Elvestuen said, stressing the need for new artillery and upgraded combat vehicles, as well as preserving both the coastal guard and the national guard.

This is not the first time Ine Eriksen Søreide hasfound herself in trouble. When Norway's Defense Minister proudly presented her defense plan for the next 20 years, it was lauded as a "historic commitment to defense." However, a later survey the by Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet revealed that Søreide's plan in fact entailed less money for defense in comparison with the previous long-term plan the Stoltenberg government had adopted in 2012.

The overall price tag for Søreide's defense plan for 2015-2035 is 12 billion NOK (roughly 1.5 billion) cheaper than Stoltenberg's. Additionally, there is a marked difference in priorities, as Søreide's clearly prioritizes navy and air force above the rest of the military branches.


(EDITOR'S NOTE:  Despite official statements that prices are fixed and will not change, the prices quoted for Norway's F-35 procurement have always been ambiguous.
When it announced it would buy 48 F-35s in December 2006, the Minister of Defence said the cost would be 18 billion Norwegian kroner, then quoted as $2.57 billion, but soon corrected to $3.27 billion, as we reported at the time.
Now, the cost has risen to NOK 69.7 billion (at 2016 prices) for 52 F-35As, along with weapons and support equipment – nearly four times as much – with no guarantee that it will not increase further.
The official Norwegian defense ministry position is as follows:
The F-35 procurement is estimated to cost NOK 64 billion in real 2014 kroner.
The overall Norwegian cost estimates have been stable since 2008.
The decision to purchase the first four F-35s, which are to be used for training of Norwegian crews, was taken in 2011. The first two of these are to be delivered in the United States in 2015, and the second two in 2016.
As of January 2014, the Storting has authorised the purchase of 16 aircraft in total as well as additional equipment, including weapons, simulators and maintenance equipment  but these have not yet been ordered. The first six should be ordered in 2017.)

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/176832/norway-defense-minister-under-fire-over-f_35-fighter.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zeewier op 09/09/2016 | 09:30 uur
CitaatThis is not the first time Ine Eriksen Søreide hasfound herself in trouble. When Norway's Defense Minister proudly presented her defense plan for the next 20 years, it was lauded as a "historic commitment to defense." However, a later survey the by Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet revealed that Søreide's plan in fact entailed less money for defense in comparison with the previous long-term plan the Stoltenberg government had adopted in 2012.
Waar ken ik dat toch van? Conservatieven in Nederland, Canada, GB, België, Frankrijk, ...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/09/2016 | 17:07 uur
Pilots Say F-35 Fighter Is A Winner. So Where's The Media Coverage?

Sep 6, 2016 / Loren Thompson

Media coverage of new weapons being developed for America's military is almost always negative. If a program is behind schedule, or over budget, or exhibiting shortfalls in performance, you're sure to hear about it. If everything is going fine, there's no coverage — at least, not in the national media.

Which is why you never hear much anymore about the F-35 fighter. The F-35 program will replace the Cold War tactical aircraft of three U.S. military services and a dozen allies with a family of multi-role fighters designed to be at least five times better than legacy planes at defeating threats in the air and on the ground. It's a really ambitious program — in fact, one of the greatest engineering challenges of this generation.

And it is doing fine. The cost of both the airframe and the engine is declining in each successive production lot, with the most common variant — the Air Force  version — likely to cost no more than the legacy planes it replaces. Each of the fighter's three variants is delivering all of its promised performance gains in flight testing and operations at eight bases (soon to be 25 bases). Nearly 200 planes have been delivered. 300 pilots and 3,000 maintainers have been trained. To quote Pentagon managers in March testimony before Congress,

"The F-35 program is executing well across the entire spectrum of acquisition, to include development and design, flight test, production, fielding and base stand-up, sustainment of fielded aircraft, and building a global sustainment enterprise...Our overall assessment is that the program is making solid progress across the board and shows improvement each day while continuing to manage emerging issues and mitigate programmatic risks."

And it isn't just the managers who are singing F-35′s praises. The pilots are impressed. I heard a senior Marine officer say this summer that his service doesn't like to make pilots in older fighters fly exercises against the F-35 because it's too demoralizing — the F-35s always win. Navy pilots say landing the highly automated F-35 on a carrier deck is much easier and safer than it was with Cold War planes.

An Air Force pilot quoted in one of the service's local outlets at Eglin Air Force Base reported that flying against the F-35 in training exercises is like being blindfolded because the plane is invisible to radar: "We turned hot, drove for about 30 seconds and we were dead, just like that. We never even saw [the F-35]." That's precisely the kind of performance military planners were looking for 20 years ago when they proposed a family of stealthy fighters with integrated sensors and secure networking that could deliver superior situational awareness to pilots.

So maybe I'm just overly impressed because several of the companies on the F-35 team contribute to my think tank or are consulting clients. But I would think that when the Pentagon's biggest program is making steady progress and exhibiting breakthrough performance gains, that would be considered newsworthy at places like the New York Times NYT -2.08% and CNN.

Apparently it isn't. The national media are ignoring the fact that F-35 is delivering on everything that was promised — just as they ignored when the Navy variant had the most successful initial sea trials ever in 2014, and when the projected life-cycle cost of the program fell by $60 billion in a single year in 2015. I wrote both of those stories up for Forbes when they broke, but if you are a casual consumer of news then you probably still think F-35 is a troubled program that doesn't work as intended.

I've actually heard smart people whom I respect say that recently, even though it's completely untrue. All three variants of the plane — the Air Force version that many of our allies will buy, the Marine Corps version that can land on a dime, the Navy version that will greatly increase the reach and lethality of carrier air wings — are performing magnificently. So where are the news stories?

I've seen this happen before. The revolutionary MV-22 Osprey tilt-rotor was dogged by concerns about safety long after it had become the safest rotorcraft in the Marine fleet. To this day, few national media outlets have made the effort to explain how an aircraft that combines the speed and range of a plane with the vertical agility of a helicopter has transformed combat operations. They were never reluctant to report the MV-22′s real or imagined faults, but they just don't seem to care that Osprey is now a smashing success.

So why should the F-35 fighter be any different? Even though it has surmounted its developmental challenges to be praised by pilots and even though its success is pivotal to preserving America's warfighter edge in future conflicts, it just isn't news unless something goes wrong. If you want to understand why many voters think America isn't great anymore even though it is the greatest nation in history, you might begin by contemplating what is considered news in the national media.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2016/09/06/pilots-say-f-35-fighter-is-a-winner-so-wheres-the-media-coverage/2/#38e9af2523b6
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 10/09/2016 | 07:58 uur
Ahh, Loren Thompson ... maar die wordt betaald door LockheedMartin.   ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 11/09/2016 | 11:47 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 10/09/2016 | 07:58 uur
Ahh, Loren Thompson ... maar die wordt betaald door LockheedMartin.   ;)

de zogenaamde wceend..........
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/09/2016 | 12:30 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 11/09/2016 | 11:47 uur
de zogenaamde wceend..........

Zo kan je elke positieve ontwikkeling de nek omdraaien.

We gaan zien wat de capaciteiten in het volgende decennium zullen zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 11/09/2016 | 12:53 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/09/2016 | 12:30 uur


Zo kan je elke positieve ontwikkeling de nek omdraaien.

We gaan zien wat de capaciteiten in het volgende decennium zullen zijn.

Sorry als mijn cynisme niet van mijn normale in tekst omgezette gedachten was te onderscheiden.......

Het is of word vast een fantastisch toestel. Ik twijfel alleen of het het juiste toestel voor BV NL is.
Maar die discussie loopt hier al een poosje dus die ga ik niet opnieuw aan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 11/09/2016 | 13:05 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/09/2016 | 12:30 uur


Zo kan je elke positieve ontwikkeling de nek omdraaien.

We gaan zien wat de capaciteiten in het volgende decennium zullen zijn.

Jurrien je bent zelf ook niet vies van de uitspraak van wij van wc eend en nu krijg je daarmee een koekje van eigen deeg terug.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/09/2016 | 13:46 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 11/09/2016 | 13:05 uur
Jurrien je bent zelf ook niet vies van de uitspraak van wij van wc eend en nu krijg je daarmee een koekje van eigen deeg terug.

Vindt je?

Ik vind het meer meeheulen met een negatieve pers.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 11/09/2016 | 13:58 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/09/2016 | 13:46 uur
Vindt je?

Ik vind het meer meeheulen met een negatieve pers.

Zo negatief  is Zander hier niet op het forum
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/09/2016 | 14:01 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 11/09/2016 | 13:58 uur
Zo negatief  is Zander hier niet op het forum

Zeker niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 11/09/2016 | 17:05 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/09/2016 | 12:30 uur


Zo kan je elke positieve ontwikkeling de nek omdraaien.

We gaan zien wat de capaciteiten in het volgende decennium zullen zijn.
Wat een pertinente onzin met je positieve ontwikkeling !!!!  Basta (hou nou eens op)

Loren Thompson schrijft PROPAGANDA.

Van het begin af aan (2001) liepen ze bij het JSF project al van probleem naar probleem.
En dat doen ze nog steeds, terwijl per saldo het aantal 'uitdagingen' juist GROTER werd. 

Wederhoor ?  Lees gewoon eens een aantal rapporten van de Director Operational Test & Evaluation (DOTE)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/09/2016 | 17:50 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 11/09/2016 | 17:05 uur
Wat een pertinente onzin met je positieve ontwikkeling !!!!  Basta (hou nou eens op)

Loren Thompson schrijft PROPAGANDA.

Van het begin af aan (2001) liepen ze bij het JSF project al van probleem naar probleem.
En dat doen ze nog steeds, terwijl per saldo het aantal 'uitdagingen' juist GROTER werd. 

Wederhoor ?  Lees gewoon eens een aantal rapporten van de Director Operational Test & Evaluation (DOTE)

Ik begrijp dat er nog zeer veel punten zijn die nog niet opgelost zijn en misschien wel nooit opgelost zullen worden, iets wat zeker meer dan verontrustend is.

Hoelang het nog duurt voordat block 4 software functioneert zoals beloofd is ook a million dollar question, vooralsnog ga ik er vanuit dat het in het volgende decennium een prima kist wordt.

Mijn alternatief voor de F35 is nooit een alternatief geweest, jammer, daarmee hadden de flyboys tegen minder geld en gebreken een deuk in een pakje boter kunnen slaan tot ver in de jaren veertig of vijftig... maar ja...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/09/2016 | 18:02 uur
Op een gegeven moment komen meer journalisten met positiever nieuws. De F/A-18E/F Super Hornet werd immers door diverse journalisten in de jaren 90 met de grond gelijk gemaakt en werd door dezelfde journalisten in de 21e eeuw als the next best thing since sliced bread gezien.

Het is de taak van Michael Gilmore om als DOT&E kritisch te zijn over alles v.w.b. de F-35. Zijn voorgangers zijn in het verleden ook zwaar kritisch geweest over diverse wapensystemen die nu wel uitstekend werken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 11/09/2016 | 18:06 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 11/09/2016 | 12:53 uur
Sorry als mijn cynisme niet van mijn normale in tekst omgezette gedachten was te onderscheiden.......

Het is of word vast een fantastisch toestel. Ik twijfel alleen of het het juiste toestel voor BV NL is.
Maar die discussie loopt hier al een poosje dus die ga ik niet opnieuw aan.
De F-35 LightningII is conceptueel een vervanger van de ... F-117 Nighthawk.

Hoe ontstond dat idee, dat men een grote vloot F-117 vervangers nodig had ?

Ik neem je mee terug naar de Golfoorlog van '91.  Nederland bood een squadron F-16A block 15 OCU's aan aan de Coalitie.
Dit aanbod werd geweigerd, want deze F-16 variant kon alleen maar domme 'ijzeren' bommen afwerpen bij daglicht en helder weer.
De Coalitie hadden juist een tekort aan interdictie bommenwerpers met groot bereik die ook 's nachts konden opereren en precisie wapens konden lanceren.
Toen het lucht offensief los barstte stonden US Air Force F-16C's stof te verzamelen op vliegbases 'Overthere'.  De Coalitie had maar 229 kisten die laser geleide bommen naar hun doelen konden leiden.
De A-10A kon ook 's nachts opereren en precisie wapens lanceren en hadden het juiste bereik.
Dus werden A-10 ThunderboltII's niet voor de Close Air Support (CAS) taak ingezet, maar langdurige interdictie missies diep in vijandelijk gebied.
Het is dan ook niet vreemd dat juist tijdens dit soort missies de Warthog's relatief veel verliezen en schade opliepen.  Omdat de A-10 helemaal niet ontworpen is voor dit soort werk, denk alleen al aan het feit dat deze kist een lage kruissnelheid heeft en slechts een 1 koppige bemanning.

De US Air Force claimde na deze Golfoorlog dat de F-117A Nighthawks slechts 2,5 % van de Coalitie jachtvliegtuig vloot besloeg, maar wel meer dan 40% van de strategische doelen aanviel.  Volgens de USAF was de Nighthawk ook het enige type dat bij nacht bombardementen uitvoerde in het goed verdedigde "downtown" Baghdad en 80 % van de doelen wist te raken.
Later konden ze dit ook weer terug nemen, want de lucht afweer stond meestal in de buitenwijken van de stad.   En de niet steelse jachtbommenwerpers hadden bij nachtelijke aanvallen ook zeer weinig verliezen.  Want de grootste dreiging ging uit van optisch geleide (Mk.1 Eyeball) AAA (luchtdoel geschut) en infra rood geleide SAM raketten.
Het argument, dat de Nighthawk veel minder ondersteuning in de vorm van escorte jagers, elektronische oorlogsvoering vliegtuigen en SEAD (Surpression Enemy's Air Defense) / 'Wild Weasel' vliegtuigen nodig had, ging toen nog op.  Maar werd tijdens ops Allied Force boven Voormalig-Joegoslavie in 1999 al weer onderuit gehaald.

De US Air Force, US Navy en US Marines gingen dus op zoek naar een steelse nieuwe generatie F-117, die grotendeels of volledig de toekomstige jachtbommenwerper vloot zou bevolken.
Een klein land ging die F-117 vaardigheden op een veel goedkopere manier emuleren (nabootsen) door de F-16 door te ontwikkelen met een veel groter bereik.
Zodat je met bepaalde F-16 varianten vanuit Vlb Leeuwarden bommen op ... Moskou zou kunnen gooien.
Steelsheid bereiken zij niet via allerlei radar deflecterende en absorberende constructies en materialen, die onderhoud intensief, niet aërodynamisch en dus de inzetbaarheid en prestaties beperken.   Maar zij doen dit net als een neutraal Noord-Europees land via zeer geavanceerde elektronische oorlogsvoering die niet alleen kan storen, maar vooral andere elektromagnetische sensors misleid en af leid.  Zodat jij onzichtbaar of moeilijk op te sporen valt.

Er zijn dus veel goedkopere alternatieven.

Aanschaf van de F-35A is vergelijkbaar met een eventuele aankoop van de Tornado, die alle '104' bullen en de NF-5A/B Freedom Fighters zou vervangen in de jaren 70.
Wij gingen uiteindelijk voor de F-16A/B a 22 miljoen gulden fly-way en 40 miljoen totale systeem prijs.
De Tornado deed begin jaren eighties 80 miljoen Duitse marken, is in guldens 90 miljoen.
Was dat plan doorgegaan, dan hadden we slechts 94 Tornado's kunnen kopen.
En die Tornado is geen eclatant succes geworden.  Net als de B-1B Lancer en F-35 opereert deze logge jachtbommenwerper hoofdzakelijk tussen de 5.000 en 25.000 voet (1.525 - 7.625 m.).
Want net als de B-1B en F-35 heeft de Tornado een hoge vleugelbelasting.  En alle 3 de typen zijn heden technisch onbetrouwbaar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 11/09/2016 | 20:34 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/09/2016 | 17:50 uur
Ik begrijp dat er nog zeer veel punten zijn die nog niet opgelost zijn en misschien wel nooit opgelost zullen worden, iets wat zeker meer dan verontrustend is.

Hoelang het nog duurt voordat block 4 software functioneert zoals beloofd is ook a million dollar question, vooralsnog ga ik er vanuit dat het in het volgende decennium een prima kist wordt.

Mijn alternatief voor de F35 is nooit een alternatief geweest, jammer, daarmee hadden de flyboys tegen minder geld en gebreken een deuk in een pakje boter kunnen slaan tot ver in de jaren veertig of vijftig... maar ja...

Zo kun je alles wel de nek omdraaien........... :devil:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 11/09/2016 | 23:12 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/09/2016 | 18:02 uur
Op een gegeven moment komen meer journalisten met positiever nieuws. De F/A-18E/F Super Hornet werd immers door diverse journalisten in de jaren 90 met de grond gelijk gemaakt en werd door dezelfde journalisten in de 21e eeuw als the next best thing since sliced bread gezien.

Het is de taak van Michael Gilmore om als DOT&E kritisch te zijn over alles v.w.b. de F-35. Zijn voorgangers zijn in het verleden ook zwaar kritisch geweest over diverse wapensystemen die nu wel uitstekend werken.
;D  Die journalisten ja.

De F-18E/F Super 'Bug' was en is per saldo een marginale verbetering t.o.v. de legacy F-18A t/m D
De veel grotere en zwaardere F-18E/F vliegt zo een 265 km verder dan de legacy F-18.  Maar de legacy F-18 is weer wendbaarder dan de E/F variant.
Het avionica pakket van de F-18 legacy en Super 'Bug' waren en zijn respectievelijk zeer goed tot uitmuntend.

Maar ga de initiële problemen van de evolutionaire F-18E/F niet vergelijken met de beginners uitdagingen van het ik mag wel zeggen revolutionaire JSF bul.
Het JSF project heeft o.a. een heel groot probleem, dat "concurrency" heet.  In gewoon Nederlands: de ontwikkelings-, en productie fase overlappen elkaar.
We hebben bij de B-1B Lancer gezien waartoe dat leid.  Dan krijg je niet te maken met kinderziektes, die na enige tijd worden opgelost.
Nee, je krijgt dan te maken met 'weef fouten in het DNA' van je nieuwe wapensysteem.   De 'Bone' is nog steeds een notoir onbetrouwbaar wapensysteem, met een veel lagere inzetbaarheid dan bijvoorbeeld de B-52.  En het is dan ook niet verwonderlijk dat er relatief gezien meer B-1B's op de "boneyard" staan dan B-52's.

Begin deze eeuw waarschuwde de Amerikaanse Rekenkamer dat 7 van de 8 nieuwe technologieën in het JSF project nog niet volwassen waren, terwijl de ontwikkeling van de kist al begonnen was.  Dat is vragen om grote vertragingen en kosten overschrijdingen.
Bij de F-16 werden ook nieuwe (baanbrekende) technologieën toegepast, maar deze waren bij de aanvang van de ontwikkeling al volwassen geworden.
Toch kostte het nog 8 jaar (!) om alle kinderziektes eruit te krijgen. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/09/2016 | 10:23 uur
The F-35 Stealth Fighter May Never Be Ready for Combat

https://warisboring.com/the-f-35-stealth-fighter-may-never-be-ready-for-combat-5c1180d6e2b1#.34x81u2kz
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/09/2016 | 14:44 uur
Argentina evaluates Korean FA-50 fighter

The Argentine Air Force (Fuerza Aérea Argentina - FAA) is evaluating the Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI) FA-50 Fighting Eagle as a potential new platform, IHS Jane's has learned.

An Argentine delegation visited the Republic of Korea Air Force's (RoKAF's) 16th Fighter Wing at Yecheon on 7 September and an image posted online shows an FAA pilot taking-off in a TA-50 Golden Eagle operational trainer variant of the FA-50.

No further details were revealed.

The FAA has a pressing need to acquire a new fighter type following the retirement of the Dassault Mirage III and Mirage 5 fleets in late 2015, and the subsequent grounding of the Douglas A-4R Fightinghawk fleet.

Although billed as a 'light' fighter, the FA-50 has a potent air-to-air and air-to-surface capability. According to IHS Jane's All the World's Aircraft: In Service , the type carries AIM-9L/M/N/P/S Sidewinder missiles and is equipped with an internal cannon for the former role, and for the latter it is cleared to carry the AGM-65A/D/G Maverick; Mk 82, Mk 83, Mk 84 and BLU-109 general purpose bombs; GBU-31, -32 and -38 guided weapons; CBU-52/58/71, CBU-103/104/105 and Mk 20 Rockeye II cluster munitions; LAU-68/131 and LAU-3A/5003 rocket pods; and the Textron Defense Systems CBU-97 Sensor Fuzed Weapon. The type has already been fielded by South Korea and the Philippines, with Iraq set to receive its first aircraft shortly and Peru considering an offer of the aircraft also.

Besides the FA-50, the FAA is considering the Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) Kfir; Dassault Mirage F1; Alenia M-346FT; and Aero L-159 ALCA as possible fighter platforms. IHS Jane's understands that the service is looking at between 10 and 12 new aircraft to field a credible combat capability.

http://www.janes.com/article/63594/argentina-evaluates-korean-fa-50-fighter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 12/09/2016 | 22:48 uur
Kunnen de Argentijnen dan ook maar iets veroorloven?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2016 | 23:20 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 12/09/2016 | 22:48 uur
Kunnen de Argentijnen dan ook maar iets veroorloven?

Ze kunnen heel veel Corned Beef ruilen, iets wat ze niet onbekend is en ons "gebakken marinier" heeft opgeleverd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/09/2016 | 14:19 uur
USAF Certifies F-35As Delivered In FY21 Will Be Fully Capable

The US Secretary of the Air Force last week certified to Congress that "F-35As delivered in fiscal year 2018 will have full combat capability -- to include Block 3F software and weapons carriage," Inside Defense reported Sept. 12.

It said the Air Force "confirmed in a Sept. 9 statement that Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James had certified the program will meet its current plan to deliver fully combat-ready aircraft in FY-18," as required by the FY-16 National Defense Authorization Act.

Certification has not yet been publicly announced by the Air Force, and this creates some confusion as to what exactly it has certified. Inside Defense says it concerns aircraft "produced in FY18," but later says "delivered in FY18," which are not interchangeable terms.

Nominally, F-35As delivered in FY2018 are part of the 10th Low-Rate Initial Production batch ordered in FY2016, but neither this contract, nor the previous one for the 9th batch, has yet been awarded. Lacking a contract, it is unclear how delivery could take place as planned.

The Air Force's certification is a direct affront to the Pentagon's chief weapon tester, J. Michael Gilmore, who in an Aug. 9 memo warned Air Force leaders that "the program is actually not on a path toward success, but instead on a path toward failing to deliver the full Block 3F capabilities for which the Department is paying almost $400 billion by the scheduled end of System Development and Demonstration (SDD) in 2018."

The Air Force statement claims the opposite: "The Secretary of the Air Force considered program status, planning and program risks and was informed by the F-35 Joint Program Office's plan to complete F-35 development as reviewed by Air Force functional experts, Air Combat Command, and an independent review team," according to Inside Defense.

The Air Force has ignored Gilmore's latest warning, as it has disregarded others, even though Gilmore is the Pentagon's own Director of Operational Test & Evaluation, an office specifically set up to ensure that weapons do not go into production unless they meet their performance goals.

Some observers worry that, by the time the F-35s are delivered in FY 2018, Air Force Secretary Deborah James will have left her position – like Gilmore, she is a political appointee – so no-one will be around to face the consequences if the F-35 program fails to deliver.

By then, several hundred more will have been ordered, at a cost of billions of dollars, and there will be little recourse if they fail to perform as advertised.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/176957/usaf-secretary-certifies-f_35as-delivered-in-fy18-will-be-fully-capable.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2016 | 17:49 uur
September 13, 2016
Breaking news: Boeing T-X revealed

Zie link: https://hushkit.net/2016/09/13/breaking-news-boeing-t-x-revealed/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2016 | 18:27 uur
Air Force Magazine ‏@AirForceMag  · 26 min.26 minuten geleden 
Vertaling bekijken

.@BoeingDefense T-X uses forward and main landing gear from F-16, and internal equipment from @Saab Gripen fighter, officials say.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2016 | 19:48 uur
Boeing Unveils "Purpose-Built" Air Force Trainer In Must-Win T-X Competition

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/boeing-unveils-purpose-built-air-force-trainer-must-win-t-x-17691?page=2
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2016 | 19:52 uur
BOEING T-X

http://www.boeing.com/defense/t-x/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/09/2016 | 20:14 uur
Mijn eerste reactie/gedachte bij het zien van het Boeing-Saab T-X ontwerp is een echte trainer, geen light fighter/bomber variant.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2016 | 20:17 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 13/09/2016 | 20:14 uur
Mijn eerste reactie/gedachte bij het zien van het Boeing-Saab T-X ontwerp is een echte trainer, geen light fighter/bomber variant.

Heb je Het filmpje - animatie - op de Boeing site bekeken?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 13/09/2016 | 20:21 uur
Mooi toestel, de kruising tussen Hornet en Gripen is niet te missen. Ook duidelijk te zien dat er bepaalde karakteristieken van de F-35 in zitten. Erg benieuwd wie dit gaat winnen!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/09/2016 | 20:24 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2016 | 20:17 uur
Heb je Het filmpje - animatie - op de Boeing site bekeken?
yep, wel snel ... hoezo  :hrmph:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 13/09/2016 | 20:26 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2016 | 20:17 uur
Heb je Het filmpje - animatie - op de Boeing site bekeken?

Wat je daar ziet doet de huidige Talon ook?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2016 | 20:32 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 13/09/2016 | 20:24 uur
yep, wel snel ... hoezo  :hrmph:

Lijkt vanuit mijn leken oog meer in huis te hebben dan louter een trainer.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2016 | 20:34 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 13/09/2016 | 20:21 uur
Mooi toestel, de kruising tussen Hornet en Gripen is niet te missen. Ook duidelijk te zien dat er bepaalde karakteristieken van de F-35 in zitten. Erg benieuwd wie dit gaat winnen!

Ik blijf bij mijn gok dat we hier om diverse reden naar de winnaar van de competitie kijken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/09/2016 | 20:36 uur
(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.boeing.com%2Fresources%2Fboeingdotcom%2Ffeatures%2F2016%2F09%2Ftx_rollout_400x225.jpg&hash=a5cd8ee575e8d6ab9095567216428ed7774b59c5)

vanuit de achterzijde gezien is het idd net een F-18  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/09/2016 | 20:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2016 | 20:32 uur
Lijkt vanuit mijn leken oog meer in huis te hebben dan louter een trainer.

Bij de ontwerpen van de M-346 (T-100) en de T-50A, heb ik gevoelsmatig een meer fighter/bomber gevoel. Misschien komt dat ook wel doordat de basis van die 2 ontwerpen ook die capaciteiten idd hebben.

We zullen zien, eerst maar eens afwachten op de specs en meer info.

Kan me voorstellen dat ze gekozen hebben voor een motor in de serie General Electric F414-GE-400, dezelfde als van de Gripen E en de F-18E/F
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 13/09/2016 | 20:58 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 13/09/2016 | 20:49 uur
Kan me voorstellen dat ze gekozen hebben voor een motor in de serie General Electric F414-GE-400, dezelfde als van de Gripen E en de F-18E/F

Kleine broertje van deze: GE F404. Zoals in de Gripen C en Hornet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 13/09/2016 | 21:03 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 13/09/2016 | 20:21 uur
Mooi toestel, de kruising tussen Hornet en Gripen is niet te missen. Ook duidelijk te zien dat er bepaalde karakteristieken van de F-35 in zitten. Erg benieuwd wie dit gaat winnen!

Vindt juist dat er er geen  karakteristieken van de F-35 er inzitten maar van de X-32.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-32

http://gizmodo.com/the-fighter-jet-we-could-have-built-instead-of-the-f-35-1603031982

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/09/2016 | 21:10 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 13/09/2016 | 20:58 uur
Kleine broertje van deze: GE F404. Zoals in de Gripen C en Hornet.

Northrop's Model 400 is powered by a single GE Aviation F404-GE-102D engine
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/boeing-offers-sneak-peak-of-new-t-x-trainer-428709/

ook de T-50A heeft deze F404-102D motor

Over de motor en het type van de Saab-Boeing T-X heb ik nog niets gelezen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/09/2016 | 21:19 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 13/09/2016 | 21:10 uur
Over de motor en het type van de Saab-Boeing T-X heb ik nog niets gelezen.

GE Aviation levert op dit moment vier varianten van de F404.
http://www.geaviation.com/military/engines/f404/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 13/09/2016 | 21:36 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 13/09/2016 | 21:03 uur
Vindt juist dat er er geen  karakteristieken van de F-35 er inzitten maar van de X-32.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-32

http://gizmodo.com/the-fighter-jet-we-could-have-built-instead-of-the-f-35-1603031982
Die vergelijking zie ik dan weer niet  ;D

Citaat van: Harald op 13/09/2016 | 21:10 uur
Northrop's Model 400 is powered by a single GE Aviation F404-GE-102D engine
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/boeing-offers-sneak-peak-of-new-t-x-trainer-428709/

ook de T-50A heeft deze F404-102D motor

Over de motor en het type van de Saab-Boeing T-X heb ik nog niets gelezen.
Mij bekend. Meen ergens gelezen te hebben dat alle TX toestellen de F404 hebben op de T-100 (M-346) na, die heeft de concurrent van de F404 in de vorm van de  Honeywell F124.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/09/2016 | 08:10 uur
Corker: Gulf Fighter Sales Will Follow Israeli Aid Deal   (... als de orders getekend worden, is het een flinke opsteker voor Boeing )

The US is set to approve long-pending fighter jet sales to Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait now that a landmark aid deal with Israel has gone through, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said Wednesday.

"I'm glad they consummated [the aid deal], and I'm glad that the follow on is we're completing sales to Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait," said Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn. "To act like there's no connection — let's face it, it's like the hostages left when the money arrived."

The question of whether the jet sales –  requests from Qatar for 72 F-15E Strike Eagles and Kuwait for 28 F/A-18E/F – have been held up to maintain Israel's legally-mandated qualitative military edge has been a longstanding one. Those two nations first requested those potential sales over two years ago.

.../...

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/corker-gulf-fighter-sales-will-follow-israeli-aid-deal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/09/2016 | 08:12 uur
Boeing Begins Legal Challenge Against Denmark For Fighter Evaluation

Boeing on Thursday made its first move to challenge the Danish government's recommendation of Lockheed Martin's F-35 over its own Super Hornet, submitting a "request for insight" that would require the country's defense ministry to provide all data related to the fighter jet's evaluation.

Denmark's defense ministry announced in May its recommendation of the F-35 joint strike fighter. The MoD ranked the joint strike fighter above the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet in strategic, economic, industrial and military aspects, but Boeing has focused its criticism on the economic evaluation, which estimated that — over the lifecycle of the plane — 38 Super Hornets could cost as much as double that of 28 F-35As.

"As we said when the decision was announced, we believe the ministry's evaluation of the competitors was fundamentally flawed and inaccurately assessed the cost and capability of the F/A-18 Super Hornet," said Debbie Rub, vice president and general manager of Boeing's global strike division. "We're taking this step because there's too much at stake for Denmark and, potentially, other countries considering the Super Hornet."

.../...

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/boeing-begins-legal-challenge-against-denmark-for-fighter-evaluation
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 19/09/2016 | 17:22 uur
Exclusive: Air Force Mulls Flight Demo for Possible Light Attack Aircraft Buy  (... vooral het laatste in dit artikel, snijdt hout !! )

The Air Force is considering a near-term buy of light attack aircraft to help relieve mounting operations costs, ameliorate a fighter pilot shortage and improve readiness, a top general told Defense News in an exclusive interview.

Lt. Gen. James M. "Mike" Holmes, the service's deputy chief of staff for strategic plans and requirements, is floating a number of options to Air Force leaders, including a potential flight demonstration of inexpensive, off-the-shelf tactical airplanes that could occur as early as spring 2017.

Holmes stressed that a new light attack craft, which has been termed OA-X, would not replace the A-10 Warthog fleet. Instead, it would be a supplement to the Warthog that would give combatant commanders a low-cost option for battling the violent extremist groups in light of the high operations and maintenance costs associated with the A-10 and various fighter jets currently doing that job.

..../....

Part of the argument in favor for buying an OA-X is that a low-cost, off-the-shelf aircraft would benefit more than just the close air support mission. It provides the cheapest way for the service to improve its capacity and boost readiness against near-peer competitors, Holmes said.

While the service is capable of satisfying demands in the Middle East and doing occasional "theater support package" deployments meant to help bolster enagement with allies, the high operational tempo makes it difficult for airmen to receive enough training to prevail against near-peer adversaries that would operate integrated air defense systems.

"So if I increase my capacity, I could split that rotation up over a larger group, I could give everybody more time to train against a full spectrum threat, and then I could gradually start to increase my readiness," he said.

Having additional planes would also allow the service to train more fighter pilots per year, something Holmes said was vital for increasing the number of flight instructors and building up the command-and-control capability at air operations centers — both of which require experienced aviators.


http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/show-daily/farnborough/2016/07/11/air-force-a10-warthog-replacement-export/86519518/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/09/2016 | 08:21 uur
The man nominated to lead ACC wants new light attack aircraft to supplement A-10

Lt. Gen. James M. "Mike" Holmes, who has been nominated to be the next chief of Air Combat Command (ACC), told Defense News that he has pitched the idea of buying a new light attack aircraft to his bosses.

The plan, dubbed OA-X, could see a fly-off demonstration as early as spring 2017.

Holmes said the new attack aircraft will supplement the A-10 and its primary mission is to combat insurgents and extremists groups, relieving the A-10 and other high-performance fighter aircraft.

"If you believe it does, and our chief believes it will, then you have to think about keeping a capability that's affordable to operate against those threats so that you're not paying high costs per flying hour to operate F-35s and F-22s to chase around guys in pickup trucks."

http://alert5.com/2016/09/20/the-man-nominated-to-lead-acc-wants-new-light-attack-aircraft-to-supplement-a-10/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/09/2016 | 15:12 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/09/2016 | 09:34 uur
Boeing's F-15, F/A-18 Deals With Qatar and Kuwait Now 'Imminent'

James Drew   |   Aerospace Daily & Defense Report   |   Sep 21, 2016

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faviationweek.com%2Fsite-files%2Faviationweek.com%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Fmedium_img%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F09%2Ff-15boeing.jpg&hash=6b0506b7b43cbc74889ed5f1b365fae235a7ed7a)
F-15: Boeing

The head of Boeing Military Aircraft says fighter deals with Qatar and Kuwait are now "imminent" after clearing all regulatory hurdles.

Qatar wants 36 Boeing F-15s while Kuwait is seeking two squadrons of F/A-18E/F Super Hornets with an option for a third group.

The deals are worth an estimated $4 billion and $3 billion, respectively, but have been held up because of concerns about Israel's security. Both arms sales are now proceeding after the White House approved a ten-year, $38 billion military aid package with Israel, which itself could include funding for more F-15I and Lockheed Martin F-35I squadrons.

"We believe they're imminent," Boeing Military Aircraft executive Shelley Lavender said of the Qatar and Kuwait deals during an interview at the company's headquarters near Washington on Sept. 21. Asked for when she expects those deals will close, she said: "Very soon. We should be over all hurdles."

Deals for more F-15s and F/A-18s couldn't come soon enough for Boeing's fighter factory in St. Louis, Missouri, which needs more orders to keep production humming into the 2020s.

The Strike Eagle deal would extend the F-15 line well beyond 2020, although there could be some gap between the delivery of 94 jets to Saudi Arabia in early 2019 and the start of final assembly for Qatar. There are also F-15SGs in production for Singapore. Boeing has captured additional F/A-18 orders from the Navy, but needs extra orders to remain financially viable beyond late 2018.

Movement on those Middle East deals comes as Boeing takes legal action against Denmark over its recent fighter assessment, which favored the F-35 over F/A-18E/F and Eurofighter Typhoon. Boeing has submitted a "request for insight" into the nation's type selection to replace the Royal Danish Air Force's outdated F-16s, claiming the government's assessment was "fundamentally flawed." Denmark's New Fighter Program Office ranked the Super Hornet second to the F-35 in terms of military, economic and industrial aspects and third relative to its strategic value. The F-35 was judged to have the lowest procurement and sustainment cost of the three fighters, since Denmark would only need 28 stealth aircraft to satisfy its military requirement compared to 38 Super Hornets or 34 Typhoons.

"We believe that the evaluation criteria was flawed and we want to better understand and set the record straight so that doesn't hurt future opportunities. It's really as simple as that," Lavender says. She has not seen any evidence yet of the assessment adversely impacting other marketing efforts, but says "we felt it was necessary to go on the record and take the action we did." The company sees opportunities to sell F/A-18E/Fs to Canada, India, Belgium, Finland and Spain, but has had difficulty getting a leg-up over the F-35.

In Canada, Boeing has responded to the government's latest request for information on potential CF-18 replacements and connected with members of the Canadian fighter procurement team at the UK's Farnborough International Airshow in July. "We responded to the questionnaire and had customer meetings," she says, while noting the U.S. Navy and Air Force also provided insight into potential U.S. offerings through government-to-government exchanges.

She expects to hear back from Quebec soon about how it intends to proceed with a fighter selection. Canada remains a paying member of the multinational F-35 group, having originally sought 65 A-models to succeed the long-serving CF-18.

In India, Boeing believes it is in a strong position with the Super Hornet, having offered to build the aircraft locally under Delhi's "Make In India" initiative. The company has secured several high-profile military contracts from India since the State Department began approving exports a decade ago, to include the P-8 Poseidon, C-17 Globemaster III, AH-64 Apache, CH-47 Chinook as well as contracts for armaments. The Super Hornet is competing against the Lockheed F-16 and Saab Gripen E, which could also be assembled locally.

"We have a track record there of promises made and promises kept and we have a lot of experience working in the country," Lavender says. "When we talk about 'Make In India,' it's really a lot broader than just the manufacturing piece, it's the entire value stream and we have the largest footprint of all of the offerors. It's really developing an ecosystem in India and standing up their aerospace industry, and that is so much more than just production."

There has been some internal reflection at Boeing about its position as a fighter aircraft manufacturer, having lost the Joint Strike Fighter competition to Lockheed Martin and more recently losing against Northrop Grumman for the Long-Range Strike Bomber contract. The company is banking on a successful T-X bid through its partnership with Saab to keep it in the high-performance military aircraft game after the F-15 and F/A-18 lines finally run their course.

The company's Phantom Works group is pursuing the Air Force's Penetrating Counter-Air program and Boeing will almost certainly compete for future U.S. Navy fighter contracts, but dominance in the fighter market is not among Boeing Defense's highest business imperatives. BDS President and CEO Leanne Caret gives priority to the commercial derivatives, rotorcraft, human space exploration, satellites, autonomous systems and services segments.

"We have a balanced approach to all of our investments," Lavender says of future fighter pursuits. "Leanne talked about six markets, but we will continue to invest in our future and our core programs."

http://aviationweek.com/defense/boeing-s-f-15-fa-18-deals-qatar-and-kuwait-now-imminent
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/09/2016 | 14:05 uur
Eindelijk is het ervan gekomen.

India signs 36-unit Rafale contract

By Flight International | London | 23 September, 2016

India has concluded a deal to acquire 36 Dassault Rafale fighters, with a contract signed in New Delhi by the nation's defence minister, Manohar Parrikar, and his French counterpart Jean-Yves Le Drian on 23 September.

The deal is worth €7.75 billion ($8.69 billion) for the French-built aircraft along with associated weapons and a support package.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=68410)
Dassault

Finalisation of the contract brings to a close a long-running acquisition process to equip the Indian air force with the Rafale, which was selected as the winner of its medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) tender in 2012, defeating the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and Eurofighter Typhoon. Other previous candidates for the deal included the Lockheed Martin F-16, RAC MiG-35 and Saab Gripen.

The air force was originally slated to acquire 126 aircraft via the programme, but the original deal ran aground over cost concerns. It was revived by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his visit to France in 2105, when he declared that 36 aircraft would be acquired in "fly-away" condition from Dassault. This was keeping in view the "critical operational necessity" of the service, he said at the time.

It remains to be seen if India will decide at a later date to acquire additional fly-away examples of the type, or whether production could be transferred to India at a later date – as was the intention under the original MMRCA tender.

The French airframer says the contract award "represents a decisive step forward in achieving Dassault Aviation's goal of establishing itself in India with a view to developing wide-ranging co-operation under the 'Make in India' policy."

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=68411)
Dassault

European company MBDA will supply a package of air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons for India's Rafales, but a company source declines to specify which systems will be supplied.

After long failing to secure an export buyer for its fighter – developed for the French air force and navy – Dassault has now signed deals to deliver a combined 84 for Egypt, India and Qatar. It concluded deals with Cairo and Doha last year, with the customers to acquire 24 examples each. In July, the manufacturer detailed its order backlog also containing 34 Rafales for its domestic customer.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/india-signs-36-unit-rafale-contract-429646/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 23/09/2016 | 14:29 uur
Een goed zaak. Jammer dat dit allemaal zo lang geduurd heeft.
Ik weet niet of er nu nog wat meer kandidaat kopers zijn of indien de meesten nu compleet afgehaakt hebben en elders gaan shoppen zijn.
Iemand enig idee?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/09/2016 | 15:04 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 23/09/2016 | 14:29 uur
Ik weet niet of er nu nog wat meer kandidaat kopers zijn of indien de meesten nu compleet afgehaakt hebben en elders gaan shoppen zijn.
Iemand enig idee?

Dassault was dit voorjaar in Maleisië. Zij zoeken een vervanger voor de MiG-29 en misschien ook hun F/A-18D.

http://rafalemalaysia.com/#
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/09/2016 | 15:12 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 23/09/2016 | 14:29 uur
Een goed zaak. Jammer dat dit allemaal zo lang geduurd heeft.
Ik weet niet of er nu nog wat meer kandidaat kopers zijn of indien de meesten nu compleet afgehaakt hebben en elders gaan shoppen zijn.
Iemand enig idee?

Rafale is grote kanshebber in de Verenigde Arabische Emiraten (60) en Maleisië (18)

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 23/09/2016 | 16:52 uur
Mooi voor Dassault en de verdere EU-defensie industrie, maar krijg toch altijd een ongemakkelijk gevoel, de Rafale, een van de beste westerse kisten, en wat gaat MBDA leveren? Meteor? Storm Shadow?
En dat aan zo'n soort land.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/09/2016 | 17:02 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 23/09/2016 | 16:52 uur
Mooi voor Dassault en de verdere EU-defensie industrie, maar krijg toch altijd een ongemakkelijk gevoel, de Rafale, een van de beste westerse kisten, en wat gaat MBDA leveren? Meteor? Storm Shadow?
En dat aan zo'n soort land.

De Meteor maakt een kans. In plaats van de Storm shadow kan MBDA ook de Apache leveren.

India kan het blijkbaar zich permitteren. Zij hebben ook de AH-64E, CH-47F en extra P-8I besteld.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 23/09/2016 | 17:04 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/09/2016 | 17:02 uur
De Meteor maakt een kans. In plaats van de Storm shadow kan MBDA ook de Apache leveren.

India kan het blijkbaar zich permitteren. Zij hebben ook de AH-64E, CH-47F en extra P-8I besteld.
Ik vind het altijd beetje ongemakkelijk om westers high-tech materiaal te leveren aan een land wat ook hele goede banden heeft met Rusland en niet vies is van harde wereldpolitiek. (Iets met F-14's, AIM-54's en Iran....)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/09/2016 | 17:14 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 23/09/2016 | 17:04 uur
Ik vind het altijd beetje ongemakkelijk om westers high-tech materiaal te leveren aan een land wat ook hele goede banden heeft met Rusland en niet vies is van harde wereldpolitiek. (Iets met F-14's, AIM-54's en Iran....)

Voor Inda is het een feit, de Meteor hoort bij de deal.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/09/2016 | 17:22 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 23/09/2016 | 17:04 uur
Ik vind het altijd beetje ongemakkelijk om westers high-tech materiaal te leveren aan een land wat ook hele goede banden heeft met Rusland en niet vies is van harde wereldpolitiek. (Iets met F-14's, AIM-54's en Iran....)

Tja, India heeft ook de Jaguar en Mirage 2000. Er zijn meerdere oosterse landen met westerse en Russische bewapening. Pakistan en Maleisië bijvoorbeeld.

India en Pakistan houden elkaar in balans en India is ook geen grote vrienden met China. Kan het ergens wel begrijpen waarom de VS ineens toenadering met India heeft gezocht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/09/2016 | 17:52 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/09/2016 | 17:22 uur
Tja, India heeft ook de Jaguar en Mirage 2000. Er zijn meerdere oosterse landen met westerse en Russische bewapening. Pakistan en Maleisië bijvoorbeeld.

India is ook geen grote vrienden met China. Kan het ergens wel begrijpen waarom de VS ineens toenadering met India heeft gezocht.

Dat begrijp ik ook, maar...

Daar in tegen zie ik wel technieken uit de Rafale en de Meteor in Rusland opduiken. immers Inda en Rusland zijn op defensie materieel best dikke maatjes te noemen.

Het zou mij tzt niets verbazen als de Indiase FGFA (PAK-FA) - als deze er ooit daadwerkelijk komt - met Meteor of een cloon wordt uitgerust.

Bedenk ook het innige samenwerkingsprogramma betreffende de Brahmos in de huidige en toekomst mach 7+ variant, een raket die westerse marines voor een probleem zal stellen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 23/09/2016 | 18:20 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/09/2016 | 17:52 uur
Dat begrijp ik ook, maar...

Daar in tegen zie ik wel technieken uit de Rafale en de Meteor in Rusland opduiken. immers Inda en Rusland zijn op defensie materieel best dikke maatjes te noemen.

Het zou mij tzt niets verbazen als de Indiase FGFA (PAK-FA) - als deze er ooit daadwerkelijk komt - met Meteor of een cloon wordt uitgerust.

Bedenk ook het innige samenwerkingsprogramma betreffende de Brahmos in de huidige en toekomst mach 7+ variant, een raket die westerse marines voor een probleem zal stellen.
+1
Met landen als Maleisië, Indonesië en andere landen waarin de relatie met Rusland en/of China even goed/slecht is als met Europa/de VS kan dat heel goed. Maar India leunt veel meer de kant van Rusland op en Pakistan gaat veel meer de kant van China op dan de kant van ons. En bij dat soort landen waar de relaties niet even verdeeld zijn of waar 1 machtsovername genoeg is om compleet naar de andere kant te gaan hangen, vraag ik me af of het verstandig is om high-tech speelgoed te leveren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/09/2016 | 19:42 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/09/2016 | 17:52 uur
Bedenk ook het innige samenwerkingsprogramma betreffende de Brahmos in de huidige en toekomst mach 7+ variant, een raket die westerse marines voor een probleem zal stellen.
Omdat India steeds vaker met de Australië, VS en andere westerse landen traint, verwacht ik wel dat de westerse landen via India de Brahmos en toekomstige hypersonische wapens leren kennen. Via India weet men wat de Su-30 wel en niet kan.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/09/2016 | 20:03 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/09/2016 | 19:42 uur
Omdat India steeds vaker met de Australië, VS en andere westerse landen traint, verwacht ik wel dat de westerse landen via India de Brahmos en toekomstige hypersonische wapens leren kennen. Via India weet men wat de Su-30 wel en niet kan.

De Brahmos mach 7 variant moet over een jaar of 8 functioneren, het zal mij benieuwen welke tegenmaatregelen wij kunnen nemen tegen die tijd.

Bij de KM zie ik vooralsnog geen enkele indicatie dat een bovenwatereenheid een aanval met een dergelijk wapen zal overleven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 24/09/2016 | 11:25 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/09/2016 | 20:03 uur

De Brahmos mach 7 variant moet over een jaar of 8 functioneren, het zal mij benieuwen welke tegenmaatregelen wij kunnen nemen tegen die tijd.

Bij de KM zie ik vooralsnog geen enkele indicatie dat een bovenwatereenheid een aanval met een dergelijk wapen zal overleven.
Geen enkele indicatie ?

Wij zijn wereldleider qua radar technologie.  En we zijn ook heel erg goed in het ontwerpen van goede software.

Nu kun je je natuurlijk beperken tot je eigen radar horizon van 20 - 32 km.  Hup, er komt een anti schip radar over die horizon, actie met ESSM's, of de oude RIM-7P Sea Sparrows van het M-fregat.  En in de beleving van velen hier op het forum klaart de Goalkeeper het hele probleem met anti schip raketten helemaal zelf.

Nu hebben we ook te maken met andere (zeer) uitdagende dreigingen zoals eveneens hypersonische Ballistic Missiles en steeds steelser wordende jachtbommenwerpers, geleide wapens en UCAV's.
Succesvolle Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) is niet alleen afhankelijk van zeer goede en ver kijkende 'camera's', maar vooral een zaak van Network Enabled Capabilities (NEC).
NEC ja, want je moet vuurpijlen die als een jacko op je af komen zo snel mogelijk zien op te sporen en vooral proberen te volgen met een stelsel van grondgebonden radars, AWACS, speciale vliegtuigen met infra-rood telescopen en ELectronic en SIGnal INTel sensoren en verschillende satellieten.

Steelse (stealthy) vliegtuigen worden vaak zat opgespoord door stand alone radars.  Maar, ... het zit em juist in hoe die radar golven worden gereflecteerd door het steelse vliegtuig en geïnterpreteerd door die radar.  En dan gaat het fout, want de signaal en data processors denken dan dat ze te maken hebben met een valse echo die vervolgens wordt weggefilterd.
Als we al die 'camera's' aan elkaar verbinden, zodat radars elkaars echo's met elkaar kunnen vergelijken.  Dan zouden steelse wapensystemen weer gevolgd kunnen worden.

Zie het als een enorme berg met losse snapshots, die jij moet kunnen ordenen en daar uit een 'animatie film' moet kunnen destilleren.  Een vorm van NEC, die we in dit geval Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) noemen.  Totaal niet sexy zoals een stoere Phalanx, Goalkeeper of Standard raket die met veel rook en vuur uit zij launcher knalt.
Maar nu krijg jij genoeg snapshots in je bezit van verschillende bronnen die allemaal op verschillende plekken zitten.  Vroegah had je vaak niet genoeg of helemaal geen snapshots om een duidelijke animatie film te maken van gebeurtenissen die ver van je kooi plaatsvonden, maar toch van belang voor jou waren. 
Nu kan jij die animatie film dus niet alleen veel sneller klaar krijgen, maar ook het beeld verhaal is veel duidelijker.
Zodat je veel sneller en verder 'die pijp over het hek kunt gooien'
Lukt je dat, dan zou dat concreet de weg kunnen openen voor een drie keer groter effectief bereik van jouw (grond) gebonden luchtverdediging op je fregat.
Het openbare maximum (effectieve ?) bereik van de Standard SM-2 bedraagt al 165 km.  De huidige Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) haalt 50 km, maar toekomstige ESSM varianten hebben een vergelijkbaar bereik als de Standard SM-2.
We kunnen dus met een sterk verbeterde 'animatie film' en de huidige wapens al flink in de diepte verdedigen tegen dreigingen zoals de BrahMos.

De Brahmos I en II hebben echter een bereik van 290 km.  Het mooiste zou zijn om niet alleen die supersnelle vuurpijl, maar ook zijn lanceer platform in 'kalkoenen stront' te veranderen.
Dat halen we niet met de huidige Harpoon's, SM-2 Standard's en ESSM's.  De Standard SM-6, is zowel inzetbaar tegen kruisvluchtwapens (kruisraketten) als ballistische raketten en heeft een bereik van 240 - 480 km.

Daarnaast, ook de BrahMos heeft een geleidingssysteem dat gestoord, afgeleid of misleidt kan worden.   Onderschat nooit wat er in de murky world van Elektronische OorlogsVoering (EOV) plaats vindt.  Het kan zomaar zijn dat EOV 40% van alle inkomend subsonisch tot en met hypersonisch tuig weet te neutraliseren.

Ennuh, hoe gaan we de Close In Weapon Systems regelen ?  Want die Goalkeeper kan tegen een Mach 7 snelle vuurpijl niets uitrichten.
We gaan die BrahMos natuurlijk niet meer kinetisch aangrijpen.   Maar doen dat op thermische of elektra-magnetische wijze.
Gaten in de BrahMos smelten kan natuurlijk met een laser.  Maar wacht eens even, die APAR, Seastar en opvolgers hebben heel veel gemeen met de magnetron, beter gezegd de microgolf oven, maar dan uiteraard veel krachtiger.
Thales Nederland beschikt al meer dan 10 jaar over de technologie voor een Electro Magnetic Pulse (EMP) of High Power Microwave (HPM) wapen geïntegreerd in een radar systeem.  ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/09/2016 | 11:46 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 24/09/2016 | 11:25 uur
Geen enkele indicatie ?

Wij zijn wereldleider qua radar technologie.  En we zijn ook heel erg goed in het ontwerpen van goede software.

Nu kun je je natuurlijk beperken tot je eigen radar horizon van 20 - 32 km.  Hup, er komt een anti schip radar over die horizon, actie met ESSM's, of de oude RIM-7P Sea Sparrows van het M-fregat.  En in de beleving van velen hier op het forum klaart de Goalkeeper het hele probleem met anti schip raketten helemaal zelf.

Nu hebben we ook te maken met andere (zeer) uitdagende dreigingen zoals eveneens hypersonische Ballistic Missiles en steeds steelser wordende jachtbommenwerpers, geleide wapens en UCAV's.
Succesvolle Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) is niet alleen afhankelijk van zeer goede en ver kijkende 'camera's', maar vooral een zaak van Network Enabled Capabilities (NEC).
NEC ja, want je moet vuurpijlen die als een jacko op je af komen zo snel mogelijk zien op te sporen en vooral proberen te volgen met een stelsel van grondgebonden radars, AWACS, speciale vliegtuigen met infra-rood telescopen en ELectronic en SIGnal INTel sensoren en verschillende satellieten.

Steelse (stealthy) vliegtuigen worden vaak zat opgespoord door stand alone radars.  Maar, ... het zit em juist in hoe die radar golven worden gereflecteerd door het steelse vliegtuig en geïnterpreteerd door die radar.  En dan gaat het fout, want de signaal en data processors denken dan dat ze te maken hebben met een valse echo die vervolgens wordt weggefilterd.
Als we al die 'camera's' aan elkaar verbinden, zodat radars elkaars echo's met elkaar kunnen vergelijken.  Dan zouden steelse wapensystemen weer gevolgd kunnen worden.

Zie het als een enorme berg met losse snapshots, die jij moet kunnen ordenen en daar uit een 'animatie film' moet kunnen destilleren.  Een vorm van NEC, die we in dit geval Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) noemen.  Totaal niet sexy zoals een stoere Phalanx, Goalkeeper of Standard raket die met veel rook en vuur uit zij launcher knalt.
Maar nu krijg jij genoeg snapshots in je bezit van verschillende bronnen die allemaal op verschillende plekken zitten.  Vroegah had je vaak niet genoeg of helemaal geen snapshots om een duidelijke animatie film te maken van gebeurtenissen die ver van je kooi plaatsvonden, maar toch van belang voor jou waren. 
Nu kan jij die animatie film dus niet alleen veel sneller klaar krijgen, maar ook het beeld verhaal is veel duidelijker.
Zodat je veel sneller en verder 'die pijp over het hek kunt gooien'
Lukt je dat, dan zou dat concreet de weg kunnen openen voor een drie keer groter effectief bereik van jouw (grond) gebonden luchtverdediging op je fregat.
Het openbare maximum (effectieve ?) bereik van de Standard SM-2 bedraagt al 165 km.  De huidige Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) haalt 50 km, maar toekomstige ESSM varianten hebben een vergelijkbaar bereik als de Standard SM-2.
We kunnen dus met een sterk verbeterde 'animatie film' en de huidige wapens al flink in de diepte verdedigen tegen dreigingen zoals de BrahMos.

De Brahmos I en II hebben echter een bereik van 290 km.  Het mooiste zou zijn om niet alleen die supersnelle vuurpijl, maar ook zijn lanceer platform in 'kalkoenen stront' te veranderen.
Dat halen we niet met de huidige Harpoon's, SM-2 Standard's en ESSM's.  De Standard SM-6, is zowel inzetbaar tegen kruisvluchtwapens (kruisraketten) als ballistische raketten en heeft een bereik van 240 - 480 km.

Daarnaast, ook de BrahMos heeft een geleidingssysteem dat gestoord, afgeleid of misleidt kan worden.   Onderschat nooit wat er in de murky world van Elektronische OorlogsVoering (EOV) plaats vindt.  Het kan zomaar zijn dat EOV 40% van alle inkomend subsonisch tot en met hypersonisch tuig weet te neutraliseren.

Ennuh, hoe gaan we de Close In Weapon Systems regelen ?  Want die Goalkeeper kan tegen een Mach 7 snelle vuurpijl niets uitrichten.
We gaan die BrahMos natuurlijk niet meer kinetisch aangrijpen.   Maar doen dat op thermische of elektra-magnetische wijze.
Gaten in de BrahMos smelten kan natuurlijk met een laser.  Maar wacht eens even, die APAR, Seastar en opvolgers hebben heel veel gemeen met de magnetron, beter gezegd de microgolf oven, maar dan uiteraard veel krachtiger.
Thales Nederland beschikt al meer dan 10 jaar over de technologie voor een Electro Magnetic Pulse (EMP) of High Power Microwave (HPM) wapen geïntegreerd in een radar systeem.  ;)

Hopelijk werkt het in de praktijk en worden KM schepen in de "nabije" toekomst voldoende uitgerust om zich tegen dit soort dreigingen te wapenen.

Wellicht moeten de systemen ook autonoom kunnen functioneren immers de reactietijd wordt wel erg marginaal.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 24/09/2016 | 20:50 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 24/09/2016 | 11:25 uur
Thales Nederland beschikt al meer dan 10 jaar over de technologie voor een Electro Magnetic Pulse (EMP) of High Power Microwave (HPM) wapen geïntegreerd in een radar systeem.  ;)
Ik heb daar nog nooit iets over gelezen uit een publieke bron, alleen één keer een gerucht op dit forum over de I-Mast. Nu ben ik verre van feilloos en kan ik dit nieuws hebben gemist, maar mijn eerste gevoel zegt dat dit speculatie is of je hebt insider kennis en je verteld iets teveel op een publiek forum.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 24/09/2016 | 22:04 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/09/2016 | 14:05 uur

India has concluded a deal to acquire 36 Dassault Rafale fighters, with a contract signed in New Delhi by the nation's defence minister, Manohar Parrikar, and his French counterpart Jean-Yves Le Drian on 23 September.

The deal is worth €7.75 billion ($8.69 billion) for the French-built aircraft along with associated weapons and a support package.
Lekker goedkoop ook; 36 toestellen voor €8 mld.
Was ooit een argument in de Nederlandse discussie over de vervanger van de F16; de Rafale zou goedkoper zijn dan die F35 (...)
Lood om oud ijzer dus; goedkope straaljagers bestaan niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 24/09/2016 | 23:00 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 24/09/2016 | 22:04 uur
Lekker goedkoop ook; 36 toestellen voor €8 mld.
Was ooit een argument in de Nederlandse discussie over de vervanger van de F16; de Rafale zou goedkoper zijn dan die F35 (...)
Lood om oud ijzer dus; goedkope straaljagers bestaan niet.

Hmmm,laat me hierover nadenken;

Nederlands budget voor de F-35 is ongeveer 4.5 miljard voor ongeveer 30 stuks.
Een andere optie is de Grippen voor ongeveer 60 miljoen per stuk(en die 60 is 't hoogste bedrag,zijn "al"verkrijgbaar voor 40 miljoen.
Maar goed ;4.5 miljard gedeeld door 60 miljoen(de dure versie)kom je uit op 75 stuks. ;)

Nog steeds niet een overweldigend aantal maar toch ruim 2x zoveel als dat er nu zullen komen. :P
Misschien kan de Grippen niet dezelfde kunstjes als de F-35,alhoewel deze zich ook nog moet bewijzen en ik er aan twijfel of alle beloftes hierom trend waargemaakt zullen worden.
En zoals 't aloude addendum gaat;kwantiteit is een kwaliteit op zichzelf. :P

Maar he wie ben ik?

Ik wijs dus op een andere europese optie,denk dat de typhoon ook een errug dure kist is.

Edit,zou trouwens getuigen van "strategisch"inzicht,immers hadden we de Grippen besteld was er misschien ook meer inspraak/te regelen met de eventuele ontwikkeling van onze nieuwe subs,maar zoals ik al zei:wie ben ik?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 24/09/2016 | 23:20 uur
Citaat van: walter leever op 24/09/2016 | 23:00 uur
Hmmm,laat me hierover nadenken;

Nederlands budget voor de F-35 is ongeveer 4.5 miljard voor ongeveer 30 stuks.
Een andere optie is de Grippen voor ongeveer 60 miljoen per stuk(en die 60 is 't hoogste bedrag,zijn "al"verkrijgbaar voor 40 miljoen.
Maar goed ;4.5 miljard gedeeld door 60 miljoen(de dure versie)kom je uit op 75 stuks. ;)

Nog steeds niet een overweldigend aantal maar toch ruim 2x zoveel als dat er nu zullen komen. :P
Misschien kan de Grippen niet dezelfde kunstjes als de F-35,alhoewel deze zich ook nog moet bewijzen en ik er aan twijfel of alle beloftes hierom trend waargemaakt zullen worden.
En zoals 't aloude addendum gaat;kwantiteit is een kwaliteit op zichzelf.
Ook al hadden we voor een goedkopere kist gekozen hadden we wss ook met lage aantallen gezeten, dat was al door de politiek bedacht. We hadden dan wel meer budget vrij gehad voor de andere KMD's.

Citaat van: walter leever op 24/09/2016 | 23:00 uur
Edit,zou trouwens getuigen van "strategisch"inzicht,immers hadden we de Grippen besteld was er misschien ook meer inspraak/te regelen met de eventuele ontwikkeling van onze nieuwe subs,maar zoals ik al zei:wie ben ik?
Interessante gedachte, heb eerlijk gezegd geen idee of dat uitgemaakt zou hebben voor evt samenwerken met de Zweden mwb subs.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 25/09/2016 | 00:33 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 24/09/2016 | 23:20 uur
Ook al hadden we voor een goedkopere kist gekozen hadden we wss ook met lage aantallen gezeten, dat was al door de politiek bedacht. We hadden dan wel meer budget vrij gehad voor de andere KMD's.
Interessante gedachte, heb eerlijk gezegd geen idee of dat uitgemaakt zou hebben voor evt samenwerken met de Zweden mwb subs.

75 is toch minder als wat we hadden,oorspronkelijk(of zie ik dat verkeerd?)maar toch nog een leuk aantal. ;)ik ga nog altijd uit van die 4.5 miljard die we daarvoor "opsouperen",indien minder dan heb je gelijk(voor wat betreft budget voor de andere KMD's)

Ik zeg niet(punt 2)dat 't iets zou hebben uitgemaakt/of zou uitmaken,maar toch 't laat zien dat je wilt samen werken en er bereid voor bent geld te spenderen wat op de andere partij,in dit geval Zweden toch als betrouwbaar over komt.

Ik denk trouwens dat we een goede samenwerkings partner zouden kunnen hebben in Zweden,maar goed is weeral mijn idee. :P
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 25/09/2016 | 01:05 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 24/09/2016 | 20:50 uur
Ik heb daar nog nooit iets over gelezen uit een publieke bron, alleen één keer een gerucht op dit forum over de I-Mast. Nu ben ik verre van feilloos en kan ik dit nieuws hebben gemist, maar mijn eerste gevoel zegt dat dit speculatie is of je hebt insider kennis en je verteld iets teveel op een publiek forum.
Het is geen speculatie, maar insider kennis.  Ik vertel helemaal niets teveel in het publieke domein.  Zo heb ik hier wel eens PM's aan leden moeten versturen om te vragen of bepaalde gevoelige info verwijdert kon worden.  Dus ik ben toch echt zeer infosec en opsec bewust.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 25/09/2016 | 01:53 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/09/2016 | 11:46 uur
Hopelijk werkt het in de praktijk en worden KM schepen in de "nabije" toekomst voldoende uitgerust om zich tegen dit soort dreigingen te wapenen.

Wellicht moeten de systemen ook autonoom kunnen functioneren immers de reactietijd wordt wel erg marginaal.
Niet alleen de marines krijgen te maken met een dreiging van hypersonische wapens.  China, Rusland en de VS hopen binnen een decennium hypersonische wapens te hebben.
Die kan je natuurlijk uitrusten met een nuke, maar primair zijn deze wapens juist bedoeld tegen vijandelijke nukes.

Onze '104' en F-16 waren en zijn uitgerust met een B61 nuke-leaire bom, die een afschrikkingen-, en vergeldingsfunctie heeft.
De F-35A krijgt een heel andere B61 bom, primair is deze juist bedoeld als precisie gebruik wapen tegen lanceer wagens of silo's met nuke's.
Het is (voorlopig) een vraagteken hoe groot het penetratie vermogen van de F-35 in Integrated Air Defense Systems uitgerust met S-300's en vergelijkbaar.
Daarnaast is de reactie tijd van de subsonische F-35 te lang om (zeer) tijd kritieke doelen aan te grijpen.  En de preemptive inzet van een nuke-leair wapen kan echter en /of politiek zeer veel problemen opleveren of leiden tot een enorme escalatie.  Dan kan een conventioneel hypersonisch wapen met zijn zeer grote reactie tijd als een goed alternatief dienen.
Hypersonische wapens kunnen ook de dreiging van jachtvliegtuigen a la F-22A Raptors, PAK-FA's en SAM systemen a la S-300 / 400 respectievelijk bijna geheel of gedeeltelijk neutraliseren.
Het zou in toekomst zo maar eens kunnen zijn dat de grote, omvangrijke en (te) dure USD 138 miljoen kostende F-22A Raptor, de circa half miljard dure B-2A Spirit en USD 165 - 235 miljoen dure F-35A de 'dinosaurussen' van hun soort zijn.
En (grotendeels) irrelevant worden gemaakt door een mix van UCAV's, hypersonische wapens en Direct Energy Weapons (straling wapens).
De F-22A Raptor beschikt al over een straling wapen en de F-35A wordt er ook mee uitgerust.  ;)
Dan zou een luchtgevecht er wel eens heel anders kunnen gaan uitzien dan vroeger.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 25/09/2016 | 14:12 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 25/09/2016 | 01:53 uur
De F-22A Raptor beschikt al over een straling wapen en de F-35A wordt er ook mee uitgerust.  ;)
Hah, goed topic is dit. In twee pagina's heb ik al twee nieuwtjes gelezen die ik eerst nog voor science fiction hield.  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 25/09/2016 | 18:34 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 24/09/2016 | 22:04 uur
Lekker goedkoop ook; 36 toestellen voor €8 mld.
Was ooit een argument in de Nederlandse discussie over de vervanger van de F16; de Rafale zou goedkoper zijn dan die F35 (...)
Lood om oud ijzer dus; goedkope straaljagers bestaan niet.
36 Rafales voor EUR 7,75 miljard, inclusief bijbehorend wapenpakket en een ondersteuning pakket = EUR 215,3 miljoen per Rafale.
De bijbehorende wapenpakketten voor onze F-35A's kopen we separaat !  Zo bestaan er al (deel) projecten "Infrarood geleide raketten", "radargeleide raketten voor de middellange-, en lange afstand" en " F-35 beschermingsmiddelen en munitie".
Bij de huidige en toekomstige dreigingen vanaf de grond is het niet bepaald gezond meer om met ballistisch afgeworpen laser-, en/of GPS geleide bommen zoals de GBU-10, 12, 31 (V1 & V3); 38 en GBU-49(M) te opereren die een bereik hebben van ca. 23 km.
Onze GBU-39 Small Diameter Bombs (SDB) hebben wel een bereik van ca. 60 km.   En bovengenoemde grond-lucht wapens met dat korte bereik zullen ook vervangen moeten worden door stand-off wapens die een gelijk of groter bereik dan onze huidige SDB's.

De MICA IR, MICA Radar en AASM Hammer stand-off wapens zijn van goede kwaliteit, maar vergeleken met Amerikaanse vliegtuig bewapening relatief duur.   Omdat de Franse vliegtuig bewapening in veel kleinere aantallen wordt geproduceerd.  Die capabele AASM is echter wel cruciaal voor een goed functioneren van de Rafale in de grond aanvalstaak.
Frankrijk is nu ook bezig met een nieuwe "targeting pod" voor de Rafale die per stuk alleen al EUR 10 miljoen doet.  Dat loopt dus aardig op.

Daarnaast is de omvang van het ondersteuning pakket ook van grote invloed op de 7,75 miljard euro.
Indiers vinden zich vaak slimmer dan de Chinezen.  Maar juist die laatsten hebben de afgelopen decennia veel meer technologische vooruitgang geboekt dan dat arrogante India.   Dus kijk niet raar op als India relatief veel ondersteuning van de Franse leveranciers nodig heeft.

Ik heb rond de eeuw wisseling nog nooit gehoord dat de Rafale goedkoper zou zijn dan de F-35A.
In de Haagse beeldvorming kostte de Gripen 80 miljoen gulden, de Typhoon deed toen 120 miljoen gulden, de Rafale zou 130 miljoen gulden moeten kostten.
Een gelikte en gladde PowerPoint presentatie wilde ons toen laten geloven dat de 'JSF' slechts USD 37,1 miljoen zou gaan kosten.
Bij MinFin voelden ze nattigheid en lieten experts toen de 'JSF' prijs schatten aan de hand van ervaringen met de F-22A Raptor.
Ze kwamen toen uit op een geschatte USD 105 - 110 miljoen.  Deze schatting werd al weer snel weggemoffeld, want dat paste niet in de beeldvorming rondom ons 'Kip met Gouden Eieren'.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 25/09/2016 | 19:18 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 25/09/2016 | 18:34 uur
De bijbehorende wapenpakketten voor onze F-35A's kopen we separaat !  Zo bestaan er al (deel) projecten "Infrarood geleide raketten", "radargeleide raketten voor de middellange-, en lange afstand" en " F-35 beschermingsmiddelen en munitie".
En niet vergeten de vele projecten om de F16 MLU langer te laten doorvliegen én operationeel relevant te houden! Wat een direct gevolg is van de vertragingen in het JSF programma.

83 miljoen - Langer doorvliegen F-16 – Instandhouding
94 miljoen - Langer doorvliegen F-16 – Operationele Zelfverdediging
44 miljoen - Langer Doorvliegen F-16 – Vliegveiligheid & Luchtwaardigheid
= 221 miljoen euro

Overige F16 gerelateerde projecten:
50 miljoen - F-16 (en F35?) infrarood geleide lucht-lucht raket
26 miljoen - F-16 M6.5 onderhoudstape
43 miljoen - F16 mode 5 IFF
98 miljoen - F-16 zelfbescherming (ASE)
= 217 miljoen euro

Bron: begroting 2017
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 25/09/2016 | 20:50 uur
En als we nou eens gewoon kappen met die f16 updates en de komende jaren gewoon qrf uitvoeren en verder helemaal niets.

Lijkt me geen ramp en besparen we blijkbaar honderden miljoenen mee. Die paar bears uit  het luchtruim jagen werkt ook zonder die updates.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/09/2016 | 22:40 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 25/09/2016 | 20:50 uur
En als we nou eens gewoon kappen met die f16 updates en de komende jaren gewoon qrf uitvoeren en verder helemaal niets.

Lijkt me geen ramp en besparen we blijkbaar honderden miljoenen mee. Die paar bears uit  het luchtruim jagen werkt ook zonder die updates.

Zou wel betekenen dat als je ze in de aankomende jaren wel voor serieuze zaken nodig hebt, dat je niet thuis moet geven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 25/09/2016 | 23:13 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/09/2016 | 22:40 uur
Zou wel betekenen dat als je ze in de aankomende jaren wel voor serieuze zaken nodig hebt, dat je niet thuis moet geven.

Prima toch? Alsof de andere opco's wel ingezet kunnen worden voor serieuze zaken. Ik snap dat Klu geneuzel niet vlak voor de f35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 26/09/2016 | 07:10 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 25/09/2016 | 23:13 uur
Prima toch? Alsof de andere opco's wel ingezet kunnen worden voor serieuze zaken. Ik snap dat Klu geneuzel niet vlak voor de f35.
+1
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 26/09/2016 | 09:49 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 25/09/2016 | 23:13 uur
Prima toch? Alsof de andere opco's wel ingezet kunnen worden voor serieuze zaken. Ik snap dat Klu geneuzel niet vlak voor de f35.

Eens. Vlak voor de instroom van een nieuw type nog bakken met geld uitgeven voor de instandhouding van het oude vind ik ook een beetje vreemd. Voor serieuze zaken zijn ze sowieso al verouderd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/09/2016 | 10:07 uur
Nou, dat was eenvoudig.
Enkel de update veilig kleien en vliegen installeren, a la 44 miljoen, en dan hebben we zo'n 350 miljoen over om structureel aan andere krijgsmachtsdelen te besteden tot de F-35 komt.

Nou, dat is meer dan de politiek ons gegeven heeft en maakt voor Defensie geen drol uit, niemand kan toch meer serieus zijn of haar ding doen in de krijgsmacht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 26/09/2016 | 11:53 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 26/09/2016 | 10:07 uur
350 miljoen over om structureel aan andere krijgsmachtsdelen te besteden tot de F-35 komt.

Structureel? Het zijn eenmalige uitgaven. Een aantal projecten is reeds nagenoeg voltooid. Sommige projecten, bijvoorbeeld IFF mode 5, zijn weer onderdeel van de M6 tape...

Ik had ook moeten vermelden hoeveel er reeds is uitgegeven, bij deze:

31,9 / 83 miljoen - Langer doorvliegen F-16 – Instandhouding
57,0 / 94 miljoen - Langer doorvliegen F-16 – Operationele Zelfverdediging
10,8 / 44 miljoen - Langer Doorvliegen F-16 – Vliegveiligheid & Luchtwaardigheid
= 99,7 / 221 miljoen euro

Overige F16 gerelateerde projecten:
17,6 / 50 miljoen - F-16 (en F35?) infrarood geleide lucht-lucht raket
15,4 / 26 miljoen - F-16 M6.5 onderhoudstape
37,4 / 43 miljoen - F16 mode 5 IFF
61,1 / 98 miljoen - F-16 zelfbescherming (ASE)
= 131,5 / 217 miljoen euro
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/09/2016 | 12:31 uur
Prima.. eenmalige uitgaven. Las het verkeerd. Weer 300 miljoen die in meer zinnige dingen kunnen worden gestoken dan electronische bluetooth tandenstokers voor f116 piloten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 26/09/2016 | 14:23 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 24/09/2016 | 22:04 uur
Lekker goedkoop ook; 36 toestellen voor €8 mld.
Was ooit een argument in de Nederlandse discussie over de vervanger van de F16; de Rafale zou goedkoper zijn dan die F35 (...)
Lood om oud ijzer dus; goedkope straaljagers bestaan niet.
Voor twee Rafales/F35 heb je ook een M-fregat vervanger.....was al voorstander van een Maritime krijgsmacht maar nu nog meer ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/09/2016 | 17:15 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 26/09/2016 | 14:23 uur
Voor twee Rafales/F35 heb je ook een M-fregat vervanger.....was al voorstander van een Maritime krijgsmacht maar nu nog meer ;)

Die vliegtuigen kosten 250 mil. De stuk?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/09/2016 | 17:36 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 26/09/2016 | 17:15 uur
Die vliegtuigen kosten 250 mil. De stuk?

Zie citaat Poleme d.d. 25 september

36 Rafales voor EUR 7,75 miljard, inclusief bijbehorend wapenpakket en een ondersteuning pakket = EUR 215,3 miljoen per Rafale.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/09/2016 | 08:14 uur
Engine Upgrades for the F-35 Expected in Mid-2020s    ( ... in 2025 .. is de F-35 nog niet eens goed en wel in dienst .. )

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/new-engines-for-f-35-mid-2020s-likely-says-bogdan
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/09/2016 | 09:17 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 27/09/2016 | 08:14 uur
Engine Upgrades for the F-35 Expected in Mid-2020s    ( ... in 2025 .. is de F-35 nog niet eens goed en wel in dienst .. )


Prima ontwikkeling toch.... 10% meer vermogen en 25% zuiniger.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 27/09/2016 | 09:59 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/09/2016 | 09:17 uur
Prima ontwikkeling toch.... 10% meer vermogen en 25% zuiniger.
Een nieuwe/vernieuwde motor als de kist zelf net een paar jaar in dienst is?.... Wie gaat dat betalen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/09/2016 | 10:03 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 27/09/2016 | 09:59 uur
Een nieuwe/vernieuwde motor als de kist zelf net een paar jaar in dienst is?.... Wie gaat dat betalen?

Kijk naar de diverse F16 varianten die met verschillende motoren rondvliegen, het zal vermoedelijk een keuze zijn.

Bij een daadwerkelijk reductie met 25pct van het verbruik, dan zou het maar zo een aantrekkelijk  investering kunnen zijn.

Hier is vast iemand met meer expertise om dit te kunnen duiden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/09/2016 | 10:10 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 27/09/2016 | 09:59 uur
Een nieuwe/vernieuwde motor als de kist zelf net een paar jaar in dienst is?.... Wie gaat dat betalen?

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/09/2016 | 10:03 uur
Kijk naar de diverse F16 varianten die met verschillende motoren rondvliegen, het zal vermoedelijk een keuze zijn.

De F100-PW-200 werd al snel door de F-100-PW-220 vervangen en het alternatief (F110-GE-100) kwam ook binnen 10 jaar.
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article6.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/09/2016 | 10:15 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/09/2016 | 09:17 uur
Prima ontwikkeling toch.... 10% meer vermogen en 25% zuiniger.

Ontwikkeling is idd prima, zeer goed zelfs....
Maar gevoel is nu bij de F-35 ontwikkeling/ programma, dat het mosterd na de maaltijd is ...

en idd de upgrade zal zeker een keuze-upgrade zijn, en op langere termijn gezien een goede keuze zijn.
10% meer vermogen en 25% zuiniger is goed, vooral dat de motor zuiniger is, heeft ook het voordeel dat de range groter wordt en de afhankelijkheid van A-to-A refueling minder. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 27/09/2016 | 15:19 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 26/09/2016 | 17:15 uur
Die vliegtuigen kosten 250 mil. De stuk?
klopt...lees het artikel van Poleme over de Rafale deal...de F-35 deal zal net zo uitpakken en een stukprijs opleveren van ongeveer 200 miljoen per stuk.

Of wat anders Huzaar....van twee F-35's kan je ook een mooi tankbataljon samenstellen ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 27/09/2016 | 15:24 uur
Ik sta er zo in...of we nou 36 , 30 of 12 F-35's aanschaffen het maakt allemaal toch niets uit.

Feit is dat we er toch nooit 36 kunnen gebruiken, omdat er een groot aantal in reparatie zal zijn of in de VS zal staan voor training.
Dan komt er nog bij dat een toestel niet achter elkaar de lucht in kan...las hier ook dat een F-35B maar een paar missies kan  uitvoeren in 48 uur.

Dan heb ik die dingen eigenlijk liever niet althans niet in deze aantallen minimaal zullen er 60 stuks moeten komen anders heeft het geen zin volgens mij....

Even heel extreem gedacht..zonder deze aanschaf zouden we een super Marine en sterke landmacht kunnen hebben !
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/09/2016 | 15:59 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 27/09/2016 | 15:24 uur
Ik sta er zo in...of we nou 36 , 30 of 12 F-35's aanschaffen het maakt allemaal toch niets uit.

Feit is dat we er toch nooit 36 kunnen gebruiken, omdat er een groot aantal in reparatie zal zijn of in de VS zal staan voor training.
Dan komt er nog bij dat een toestel niet achter elkaar de lucht in kan...las hier ook dat een F-35B maar een paar missies kan  uitvoeren in 48 uur.

Dan heb ik die dingen eigenlijk liever niet althans niet in deze aantallen minimaal zullen er 60 stuks moeten komen anders heeft het geen zin volgens mij....

Even heel extreem gedacht..zonder deze aanschaf zouden we een super Marine en sterke landmacht kunnen hebben !

Nog steeds gaat het meeste budget naar de LM al zou je dat misschien zeggen, voor de KLu weet ik het niet precies maar de KM krijgt minder dan 10 procent van de volledige defensiebegroting.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 27/09/2016 | 16:17 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/09/2016 | 15:59 uur
Nog steeds gaat het meeste budget naar de LM al zou je dat misschien zeggen, voor de KLu weet ik het niet precies maar de KM krijgt minder dan 10 procent van de volledige defensiebegroting.
Voel je je achtergesteld Jurrien? ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 27/09/2016 | 16:24 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/09/2016 | 15:59 uur
Nog steeds gaat het meeste budget naar de LM al zou je dat misschien zeggen, voor de KLu weet ik het niet precies maar de KM krijgt minder dan 10 procent van de volledige defensiebegroting.

Het overzicht voor 2017:

(https://www.defensie.nl/binaries/large/content/gallery/defensie/content-afbeeldingen/actueel/nieuws/2016/09/20/2-verdeling_uitgaven_2017-640px.jpg)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 27/09/2016 | 16:35 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/09/2016 | 15:59 uur
Nog steeds gaat het meeste budget naar de LM al zou je dat misschien zeggen, voor de KLu weet ik het niet precies maar de KM krijgt minder dan 10 procent van de volledige defensiebegroting.

Tja en dat betreft waarschijnlijk voor het grootste deel personeelskosten. Materieel hebben ze nauwelijks meer.

Wat wil je eigenlijk zeggen met deze opmerking?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 27/09/2016 | 16:48 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 27/09/2016 | 16:35 uur
Tja en dat betreft waarschijnlijk voor het grootste deel personeelskosten. Materieel hebben ze nauwelijks meer.
+1
De KL heeft grofweg de helft van het totale personeelsbestand van defensie.(correct me if i'm wrong)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 27/09/2016 | 16:51 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 27/09/2016 | 16:24 uur
Het overzicht voor 2017:

(https://www.defensie.nl/binaries/large/content/gallery/defensie/content-afbeeldingen/actueel/nieuws/2016/09/20/2-verdeling_uitgaven_2017-640px.jpg)

Als alternatief voor A.J.

Nieuw financieel overzicht Defensie tot 2031

http://marineschepen.nl/nieuws/Nieuwe-Defensie-ramingen-tot-2031-270916.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/09/2016 | 17:29 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 27/09/2016 | 16:35 uur
Tja en dat betreft waarschijnlijk voor het grootste deel personeelskosten. Materieel hebben ze nauwelijks meer.

Wat wil je eigenlijk zeggen met deze opmerking?

Betreft een opmerking: als we geen F35 zouden nemen dan.... wat voor een sterke marine en landmacht we dan zouden hebben....

Dan heb je eenmalig het aanschaf prijsverschil tussen de F35 en F/X en het jaarlijkse exploitatieverschil als defensie het al mag houden...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/09/2016 | 17:39 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 27/09/2016 | 16:17 uur
Voel je je achtergesteld Jurrien? ;D

Met 721 miljoen en een beetje in 2017 gaat de KM het niet redden zonder additionele financiele middelen en dan hebben we het nog niet gehad over een paar dringend noodzakelijke vervangingstrajecten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 27/09/2016 | 20:01 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 27/09/2016 | 16:48 uur
+1
De KL heeft grofweg de helft van het totale personeelsbestand van defensie.(correct me if i'm wrong)

Dus vergt dat ook een aanzienlijk stuk van de taart. Helaas wordt dat stuk steeds kleiner door ondoorzichtige investeringen in materieel dat we niet eens kunnen inzetten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/09/2016 | 08:58 uur
En ook Roemenië behoort nu tot de groep F-16 gebruikers.

Romania to accept first used F-16s from Portugal

By Stephen Trimble | Washington DC | 27 September, 2016

Six used Lockheed Martin F-16s will be delivered to the Romanian air force in Portugal on 28 September, the nation's defence minister announced on 27 September.

The aircraft – which already bear the Romanian service's tricolour roundel – are the first batch from a 12-aircraft deal with the Portugese government signed in 2013.

"Although I hesitate to use big words when talking about acquisitions," defence minister Mihnea Motoc writes on his Facebook page, "I have to say that tomorrow will be a truly historic day for Romania and its army."

The 2013 deal includes training and support by Lockheed.

Romania has been looking to modernise a Soviet-era fleet of Mikoyan MiG-21 multirole fighters for more than a decade. Its defence ministry considered offers based on the Saab Gripen and Dassault Rafale before opting for the NATO-standard F-16

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/romania-to-accept-first-used-f-16s-from-portugal-429806/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/09/2016 | 09:03 uur
Boeing in "ping-pong" discussions with Canada on fighter purchase

An executive from Boeing said his company has been engaged in "ping-pong" discussions with the Canadian government on the latter's upcoming fighter competition.

According to Marc Allen, president of Boeing International, Ottawa has been seeking information such as capabilities and economic benefits of its Super Hornet aircraft.

http://alert5.com/2016/09/28/boeing-in-ping-pong-discussions-with-canada-on-fighter-purchase/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/09/2016 | 14:41 uur
The Government's Dilemma: Scrap Gripen or Accept Bill for Billions

(Source: Svenska Dagbladet; published Sept 28, 2016)

(Published in Swedish only; unofficial translation by Defense-Aerospace.com) By Tomas Augustsson

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Saab is to produce the new Gripen-E fighter, seen here at its unveiling in May, using parts taken from in-service Gripen C/Ds. Many now oppose dismantling these recently-upgraded aircraft for parts, but buying all-new Gripen-Es would add 7 billion Swedish kronor to program cost. (Swedish AF photo)

STOCKHOLM --- A controversy has broken out among defense commentators in Sweden as to whether it makes sense to break up a large part of the current Swedish Gripen fleet to recover parts that can be used in the production of the new Gripen-E fighter, as ordered by the defence ministry and parliament.

Sweden plans to produce a total of 60 new Gripen-Es at a cost of SEK 36 billion ($4.2 billion) to replace the 96 Gripen C/D currently operated by the Swedish Air Force.

However, many are protesting against the dismantling of the current Gripens, which have just been extensively upgraded – the last upgraded Gripen-C was delivered 18 months ago – by a wide modernization of its main systems and are now able to fire the new MBDA Meteor air-to-air missile.

Many see as unnecessary and financially wasteful to dismantle such modern and capable aircraft simply to provide parts for their successor. Many critics would prefer to continue operating these aircraft, or possibly selling them to another country. Critics also point out that defense company Saab, which produces the Gripen, sees a big future market for both the existing Gripen C / D and the future Gripen E / F.

Most recently, Liberal Party leader Jan Björklund joined the debate by suggesting that the Air Force in future operate 100 combat aircraft, by acquiring the planned 60 Gripen Es supplemented by the retention of 40 Gripen C / Ds. Ideally, he would like to retain all existing Gripens, and increase the Air Force fighter fleet to 160 airplanes.

But new figures from the armed forces shows that it would be very expensive not to take parts from the current plane for the new, and point out that even when the current Gripen C/Ds were built, they used parts taken from the first generation plane, the Gripen A / B.

This time, the scope for re-use of parts is smaller. The new Gripen E is larger, it has a new computer system, new radar, new engine, new electronic warfare systems and more new parts, so many large and expensive parts must be purchased new.

A fixed number of key components can still be re-used, and their estimated value is equal to about one-fifth of the cost of the new Gripen. This means that the cost will increase by 7 billion kronor ($820 million) if all existing Gripens are retained while building Gripen-E using all-new parts.

There will be a considerable increase in costs as it currently is no money for. An alternative is also to pick parts from the old plan, Griffin A / B. Then it is not necessary to buy everything new, and additional cost stays at around 3.5 billion kronor.

"It is a strategic reserve we have. There are parts to a high value that can be reused," says Colonel Lars Jäderblom, strategy director for the Gripen at the Swedish Armed Forces.

The first new Gripen-E aircraft are to be delivered in 2019. From then, every year 5 to 10 new aircraft are to be delivered to the Air Force until deliveries are completed in 2026.

To cope with the delivery schedule, Saab must bring in parts from the current planes beginning next year, which in turn requires that the Supreme Commander and the government must decide by the end of this year whether to follow the original plan, and dismantle fully operational aircraft, or come up with the money to build entirely new ones.

FMV's Dan Averstad, who manages the state's purchase of Gripen, says that the current dismantling option remains applicable, and will remain so until and unless politicians change their minds.

"If the decision is to be changed, it risks causing increased costs, which go beyond the defense deal the five [political] parties signed," said Defence Minister Peter Hultqvist.

There are also other challenges if Sweden chooses to continue with the existing Gripen alongside the new ones. Gripen E has certainly inherited some of its predecessor's parts and components, but it is still largely a new plane, and it will be high costly to operate two systems in parallel.

Defense could pay for the industry to maintain its expertise in system and to develop the new skills required.

Another problem is that more aircraft also require more pilots, more bases, more combat commanders and more supplementary and support features to keep them operating, adding yet more to total costs.

Click here (http://www.svd.se/regeringens-dilemma-skrota-gripen-eller-ta-miljardnota) for the original (in Swedish) on the Svenska Dagbladet website.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/177427/a-swedish-dilemma%3A-scrap-current-gripen-or-pay-billions-more.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/09/2016 | 09:24 uur
Obama administration has cleared sale of F-15s, F-16s, F/A-18s to Gulf States  (.. eindelijk ... productie lijnen blijven langer open ..)

Multiple media sources in the United States are reporting that the U.S. government has approved the sale of 36 F-15s to Qatar, 28 F/A-18s to Kuwait and 17 F-16s to Bahrain.

Chairman of Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker also confirmed the sale to Defense News.

A formal notification by the Defense Security Cooperation Agency will start once the 40-day informal notification expires.

http://alert5.com/2016/09/29/obama-administration-has-cleared-sale-of-f-15s-f-16s-fa-18s-to-gulf-states/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/09/2016 | 09:29 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 28/09/2016 | 08:58 uur
En ook Roemenië behoort nu tot de groep F-16 gebruikers.

Romania to accept first used F-16s from Portugal

Mooi kleurenschema !

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/09/2016 | 09:36 uur
ADAS 2016: Saab targets Gripen at Philippines

Jon Grevatt, Manila - IHS Jane's Defence Industry - 28 September 2016

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Saab is opening an office in the Philippines to pursue an opportunity for the Gripen. Source: Saab

Saab is to open an office in Manila by the end of 2016 to support the company's campaign to sell its JAS 39 Gripen fighter aircraft to the Philippine Air Force (PAF), an official from the Swedish company told I HS Jane's on 28 September.

Speaking on the opening day of the Asian Defence and Security 2016 (ADAS 2016) exhibition in Manila, Carl-Erik Leek, Saab's executive vice-president in the Asia Pacific, said the new office would be the centre of the company's marketing activities in the country.

At present, these are undertaken from Saab's regional headquarters in Thailand, although the company does not currently have a major presence, in terms of previous defence sales, in the Philippine market.

The new office will also be supported by the Swedish government's intention, announced in December 2015, to open an embassy in Manila to support growth in bilateral trade and investment. Both Saab's office and the new embassy are expected to be operational by November.

Leek, who will head up the new Manila office, said Saab's primary target in the Philippines is the PAF's requirement - outlined in the service's modernisation programme, Flight Plan 2028 - for 12 multirole combat aircraft. "Saab can fulfil the PAF requirement for an affordable fighter aircraft," said Leek. "We think we are a strong contender."

He added that the offer would include a package of support systems, similar to the capabilities that Saab has supplied the Royal Thai Air Force, which procured 12 Gripen C/D aircraft ordered in two phases in 2008 and 2010, with deliveries completed in 2013. "[The PAF offer] will be a whole system including ground infrastructure, an integrated command-and-control system, sensors, and datalinks," he said.

In addition, Leek highlighted opportunities for Saab to meet Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) requirements for naval systems - such as combat management systems - radars and air defence.

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http://www.janes.com/article/64159/adas-2016-saab-targets-gripen-at-philippines
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 29/09/2016 | 10:31 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 29/09/2016 | 09:29 uur
Mooi kleurenschema !

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Die dingen zijn toch veel te oud om in 'niruw' gebruik te komen van een navo land. Airframes laten nu nog maar 'zoveel' toe? Cmiiw.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/09/2016 | 10:34 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 29/09/2016 | 10:31 uur
Die dingen zijn toch veel te oud om in 'niruw' gebruik te komen van een navo land. Airframes laten nu nog maar 'zoveel' toe? Cmiiw.

Als je maar genoeg geld er tegenaan gooit, dan kan de levensduur van het casco worden verlengd. Het is aan de gebruiker wat er wordt betaald.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/09/2016 | 10:39 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 29/09/2016 | 10:34 uur
Als je maar genoeg geld er tegenaan gooit, dan kan de levensduur van het casco worden verlengd. Het is aan de gebruiker wat er wordt betaald.

Ze krijgen ze dan ook voor een appel en een ei... zie het als interim kist.

En... ze zijn al vast in het LM huis, waarmee deze club heel effectief de Europese concurrentie buiten de deur heeft weten te houden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/09/2016 | 10:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/09/2016 | 10:39 uur
Ze krijgen ze dan ook voor een appel en een ei... zie het als interim kist.

Dan maar zien wat de werkelijke MiG-21 opvolger wordt, gezien hun krappe budget. Tweedehands Gripens overnemen van Zweden is weer niet gunstig voor de Zweedse financiën (reactie #952)  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/09/2016 | 11:00 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 29/09/2016 | 10:49 uur
Dan maar zien wat de werkelijke MiG-21 opvolger wordt, gezien hun krappe budget. Tweedehands Gripens overnemen van Zweden is weer niet gunstig voor de Zweedse financiën (reactie #952)  ;D

Het uit faseren van de F16's in Europa gaar in het volgende decennium in een rap tempo, al zijn er nog een paar landen die nog een keuze moeten maken, zeker die landen die met de MLU vliegen.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 29/09/2016 | 20:27 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 29/09/2016 | 10:49 uur
Dan maar zien wat de werkelijke MiG-21 opvolger wordt, gezien hun krappe budget. Tweedehands Gripens overnemen van Zweden is weer niet gunstig voor de Zweedse financiën (reactie #952)  ;D

Zweden heeft toch ook nog Gripens in de A en B configuratie in opslag staan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/09/2016 | 21:22 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 29/09/2016 | 20:27 uur
Zweden heeft toch ook nog Gripens in de A en B configuratie in opslag staan.

Alsof iemand binnen de NAVO medio jaren twintig nog enige belangstelling heeft voor A en B-tjes...

Zweden gebruikt ze wellicht liever als onderdelen krat, ook voor hun nieuwe E's.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 29/09/2016 | 23:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/09/2016 | 21:22 uur
Alsof iemand binnen de NAVO medio jaren twintig nog enige belangstelling heeft voor A en B-tjes...

Zweden gebruikt ze wellicht liever als onderdelen krat, ook voor hun nieuwe E's.

Deze Gripens die in de A en B configuratie in opslag staan kunnen een upgrade krijgen naar een  A en B configuratie en zijn daarnaast een stuk stuk jonger dan de F16's die Portugal aan Roemenië zijn verkocht en hebben waarschijnlijk ook nog eens minder vlieguren gemaakt. Heeft Jurrien Visser weleens van wistful thinking gehoord?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/09/2016 | 08:16 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 29/09/2016 | 23:49 uur
Deze Gripens die in de A en B configuratie in opslag staan kunnen een upgrade krijgen naar een  A en B configuratie en zijn daarnaast een stuk stuk jonger dan de F16's die Portugal aan Roemenië zijn verkocht en hebben waarschijnlijk ook nog eens minder vlieguren gemaakt. Heeft Jurrien Visser weleens van wistful thinking gehoord?

Geloof jij nu werkelijk dat een NAVO land in het volgende decennium de overweging zou maken om, dan, 30 jaar oude kisten te laten up-graden om daar vervolgens nog enkele tienrallen jaren mee rond te vliegen dit terwijl de buren met minimaal de SU30+ en MIG35 opereren?

Wishful thinking...?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/10/2016 | 08:16 uur
 "When you point out that the Typhoon is more expensive than the F-35, it doesn't really resonate"

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/italian-air-force-struggles-to-prove-air-power-relev-429948/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 01/10/2016 | 09:08 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/09/2016 | 08:16 uur

Geloof jij nu werkelijk dat een NAVO land in het volgende decennium de overweging zou maken om, dan, 30 jaar oude kisten te laten up-graden om daar vervolgens nog enkele tienrallen jaren mee rond te vliegen dit terwijl de buren met minimaal de SU30+ en MIG35 opereren?

Wishful thinking...?
Voor ons zou dat ondenkbaar zijn, maar vergeet niet dat de Roemenen nu nog met de MiG-21 vliegen terwijl de buurman SU-30's en geupgrade MiG-29's heeft.....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/10/2016 | 09:35 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 01/10/2016 | 09:08 uur
Voor ons zou dat ondenkbaar zijn, maar vergeet niet dat de Roemenen nu nog met de MiG-21 vliegen terwijl de buurman SU-30's en geupgrade MiG-29's heeft.....

Zie Reactie #958 Gepost op: 29/09/2016

en:

Romania's ultimate goal is to join the F-35 program, which could happen over some 20 years.

http://www.romania-insider.com/u-s-poland-greece-offer-to-sell-more-f-16-fighters-to-romania/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 01/10/2016 | 12:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/09/2016 | 08:16 uur

Geloof jij nu werkelijk dat een NAVO land in het volgende decennium de overweging zou maken om, dan, 30 jaar oude kisten te laten up-graden om daar vervolgens nog enkele tienrallen jaren mee rond te vliegen dit terwijl de buren met minimaal de SU30+ en MIG35 opereren?

Wishful thinking...?
Ach, wij opereren ook naast een 'Beren' land met die Su-30+ en MiG-35 en doen dat met old timers die voor het eerst binnenstroomden in 1979.
Medio jaren 80 kwamen sommigen op het idee om die Fighting Falcon te moderniseren zodat ie minstens mee zou kunnen tot 2010 tot zelfs 2020.
Er kwam serieuze oppositie, want wie wil er blijven opereren met een jachtvliegtuig voor maar liefst 35 - 40 jaar ?

Volgens de huidige (ambitieuze) planning blijft de F-16AM/BM maar liefst 44 jaar in dienst tot en met 2013.
En kijk niet raar op, als door uitdagingen met zijn vervanger, die F-16AM/BM wat langer moet blijven doorvliegen.

En is die F-35A helemaal combat ripe, dan zit je met een jachtbommenwerper die door die Su-30+, MiG-35 of PAK-FA als een 'baby zeehondje wordt neergeknuppeld'.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/10/2016 | 12:54 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 01/10/2016 | 12:49 uur
Ach, wij opereren ook naast een 'Beren' land met die Su-30+ en MiG-35 en doen dat met old timers die voor het eerst binnenstroomden in 1979.
Medio jaren 80 kwamen sommigen op het idee om die Fighting Falcon te moderniseren zodat ie minstens mee zou kunnen tot 2010 tot zelfs 2020.
Er kwam serieuze oppositie, want wie wil er blijven opereren met een jachtvliegtuig voor maar liefst 35 - 40 jaar ?

Volgens de huidige (ambitieuze) planning blijft de F-16AM/BM maar liefst 44 jaar in dienst tot en met 2013.
En kijk niet raar op, als door uitdagingen met zijn vervanger, die F-16AM/BM wat langer moet blijven doorvliegen.

En is die F-35A helemaal combat ripe, dan zit je met een jachtbommenwerper die door die Su-30+, MiG-35 of PAK-FA als een 'baby zeehondje wordt neergeknuppeld'.

Het is zeker bedroevend te noemen...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/10/2016 | 13:38 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 01/10/2016 | 12:49 uur
Ach, wij opereren ook naast een 'Beren' land met die Su-30+ en MiG-35 en doen dat met old timers die voor het eerst binnenstroomden in 1979.
Medio jaren 80 kwamen sommigen op het idee om die Fighting Falcon te moderniseren zodat ie minstens mee zou kunnen tot 2010 tot zelfs 2020.
Er kwam serieuze oppositie, want wie wil er blijven opereren met een jachtvliegtuig voor maar liefst 35 - 40 jaar ?

Volgens de huidige (ambitieuze) planning blijft de F-16AM/BM maar liefst 44 jaar in dienst tot en met 2013.
En kijk niet raar op, als door uitdagingen met zijn vervanger, die F-16AM/BM wat langer moet blijven doorvliegen.

Het is de trend dat jachtvliegtuigen anno 2016 langer dan 35 jaar worden gebruikt. In 1986 was dat hoogstens 25 jaar.

Als Nederland in 1975 voor de Mirage F1 of de JA37 Viggen had gekozen, dan was deze wellicht veel eerder vervangen in vergelijking met de huidige F-16AM/BM.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/10/2016 | 14:31 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 01/10/2016 | 13:38 uur
Het is de trend dat jachtvliegtuigen anno 2016 langer dan 35 jaar worden gebruikt. In 1986 was dat hoogstens 25 jaar.

Als Nederland in 1975 voor de Mirage F1 of de JA37 Viggen had gekozen, dan was deze wellicht veel eerder vervangen in vergelijking met de huidige F-16AM/BM.

Had men destijds voor Mirage F1 of de JA37 Viggen gekozen dan heb ik zo het vermoeden dat wij in of rond 2000 de eerste vervangers hadden mogen verwelkomen.

Was het de Viggen geweest dan had de Gripen destijds een goede kans gemaakt, was het de F1, dan denk ik dat we nu Rafale hadden gevlogen.

p.s. prachtige kist overigens die Viggen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 01/10/2016 | 15:15 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 01/10/2016 | 13:38 uur
Het is de trend dat jachtvliegtuigen anno 2016 langer dan 35 jaar worden gebruikt. In 1986 was dat hoogstens 25 jaar.

Als Nederland in 1975 voor de Mirage F1 of de JA37 Viggen had gekozen, dan was deze wellicht veel eerder vervangen in vergelijking met de huidige F-16AM/BM.
Aan de prestaties (wendbaarheid, kruissnelheid, bereik, etcetera) is niet zoveel veranderd.  Met uitzondering van de F-22A Raptor en in iets mindere mate de Typhoon, die op veel grotere hoogtes en bij grotere snelheden goed kunnen manoeuvreren.
Aan de vaardigheden / capaciteiten is wel heel veel veranderd.  Maar die kunnen maar tot een bepaalde mate in een oud / bestaand airframe worden geïntegreerd.
De vaardigheden van de F-16AM/BM reiken veel verder dan die van de F-16A/B block OCU.  Maar dat kwam wel tegen een hoge prijs.  De Noorse luchtmacht vond de MLU (achteraf) zelfs te duur !

Toen de F-16A/B in 1979 werd ingevoerd, werd deze als 'een injectie die 20 jaar werkt' gezien.
Heden willen de meeste fabrikanten mechanische hardware zoals bijvoorbeeld motoren en pompen slechts 25 jaar lang ondersteunen.
Maar bij electronica en de bijbehorende software is deze ondersteuning levensduur zelfs nog veel en veel korter.

De US Air Force zette haar F-16A/B's massaal in de woestijn en verving die door de F-16C/D block 25 - 50/52.
Die F-16C/D's zouden pas vanaf 2010 vervangen gaan worden door een next generation jachtvliegtuig.
Wij kozen echter voor een interim-oplossing via de Mid-Life Update (MLU).   Waren we niet voor de MLU gegaan, dan had de F-16A/B er rond 2000 ook uit gemoeten.

Daar ga je dan, tussen 2001 - 2004 gingen de exploitatie kosten echter jaarlijks met ca. 10% stijgen eenvoudig weg omdat het F-16 airframe (casco) en motor bejaard worden.
De Noorse Luchtmacht concludeerde in 2003 dan ook terecht dat de F-16AM/BM's vanaf 2007 moesten worden vervangen.
Echter ... bezuinigingen gooiden roet in het eten en nu blijven we dus rondvliegen met ouwe zooi.
Dat werkt zolang je er 'safari's' mee vliegt, want die vergen qua belasting niet zoveel van de kist.  Anders wordt het als je met die good old F-16AM/BM een grootschalig conventioneel conflict in moet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 03/10/2016 | 09:23 uur
Bahrain's F-16V order comes with strings attached

It has been disclosed that the Obama administration added a "declaration of concern" into the draft notification of the sale of F-16 fighters to Bahrain.

In it, Washington wanted Bahrain to improve its human rights record before the sale can proceed. The declaration did not specify what steps Bahrain needs to act on.

Besides selling new F-16s to Bahrain, Lockheed Martin will get to upgrade Bahrain's existing F-16 fleet as well.

http://alert5.com/2016/10/02/bahrains-f-16v-order-comes-with-strings-attached/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/10/2016 | 07:29 uur
Singapore Eyes F-35 for 2030 Time Frame

By: Aaron Mehta,  October 3, 2016

HICKAM AIR FORCE BASE, Honolulu — Singapore remains interested in the F-35 joint strike fighter, but does not expect to procure the fifth-generation jet until the 2030 timeframe, Defense Minister Ng Eng Hen said Sept. 30.

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Zie onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/singapore-eyes-f-35-for-2030-timeframe
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/10/2016 | 07:58 uur
Een dek vol Rafales  8)

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http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?134900-Rafale-news-amp-discussion-part-XVI/page81
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 06/10/2016 | 08:46 uur
South Korea to buy additional Taurus missiles

In a bid to bolster its strike capabilities amid growing threats from Pyongyang, South Korea is planning to buy additional Taurus KEPD 350K air-to-surface cruise missiles that can be carried by its F-15K Slam Eagle fighters, Yonhap news agency reported on 4 October.

"The military has recently decided to acquire 90 more Taurus missiles to further beef up its anti-nuclear and anti-missile capabilities. The process to purchase the additional missiles is under way," a defence ministry official told the media outlet.

The decision to do this was reportedly triggered by North Korea's fifth nuclear test on 9 September and the country's continued test-firing of ballistic missiles.

Some 170 Taurus missiles are already scheduled to be deployed with the Republic of Korea Air Force (RoKAF). South Korea is set to become the first Asian country to operate fighters armed with the advanced German-built missile system, which has a range of over 500 km, the official said.

The South Korean military is also considering adopting the GBU-53/B Small Diameter Bomb II (SDB II), which can destroy moving targets more than 60 km away in all kinds of weather, the official added. The SDB II can reportedly be dropped from the F-15K fighter and strike North Korea's moving missile launchers.

http://www.janes.com/article/64347/south-korea-to-buy-additional-taurus-missiles
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/10/2016 | 08:37 uur
IAF kicks off contest to make single-engine fighters.
Competition likely between F-16 Block 70 and  Gripen E 

http://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/iaf-kicks-off-contest-to-make-single-engine-fighters-116100800638_1.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/10/2016 | 08:48 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/10/2016 | 08:37 uur
IAF kicks off contest to make single-engine fighters.
Competition likely between F-16 Block 70 and  Gripen E 


Hoe nieuwsgierig ik ook ben naar de block 70 denk ik, als het er uiteindelijk echt van komt, dat de Gripen E hier de hoogste ogen gaat gooien....

Naast het technische- en financiele verhaal heb je het psychisch aspect immers de aardsvijand vliegt ook met de F16 al is deze minder capabel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/10/2016 | 10:00 uur
En wat wil India op hun vliegdekschepen gaan gebruiken in de toekomst ?.
Een keuze voor de Gripen E geeft dan nog weer de extra mogelijkheid om de naval versie te gebruiken die ook aan Brazilie is aangeboden.
Meer standaardisatie, tevens de Tejas gebruikt dacht ik ook de 414 motor net als de Gripen E
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/10/2016 | 10:25 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 09/10/2016 | 10:00 uur
En wat wil India op hun vliegdekschepen gaan gebruiken in de toekomst ?.

Keuze genoeg voor de Indiase marine, mogelijkheden van oost tot west al zie ik daar niet snel de keuze gemaakt worden voor de SeaGripen..

Als eerst gedachte: maritieme variant van de PAK-FA, samen met de Russen of alsnog de Rafale.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/10/2016 | 11:11 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/10/2016 | 10:25 uur
Keuze genoeg voor de Indiase marine, mogelijkheden van oost tot west al zie ik daar niet snel de keuze gemaakt worden voor de SeaGripen..

Als eerst gedachte: maritieme variant van de PAK-FA, samen met de Russen of alsnog de Rafale.

Hangt het er niet mede van af hoe snel de Indiase marine nieuwe en/of extra toestellen nodig heeft? Als het geen haast heeft, dan kunnen zij inderdaad wachten op een maritieme variant van de Gripen of de PAK-FA.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/10/2016 | 12:34 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/10/2016 | 11:11 uur
Hangt het er niet mede van af hoe snel de Indiase marine nieuwe en/of extra toestellen nodig heeft? Als het geen haast heeft, dan kunnen zij inderdaad wachten op een maritieme variant van de Gripen of de PAK-FA.

Bij haast wordt het shoppen in Rusland of Frankrijk. Ik zie ze niet gaan voor de F35C/B en de F18E/F lijkt me nauwelijks nog een serieuze keuze.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 09/10/2016 | 12:47 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/10/2016 | 12:34 uur


Bij haast wordt het shoppen in Rusland of Frankrijk. Ik zie ze niet gaan voor de F35C/B en de F18E/F lijkt me nauwelijks nog een serieuze keuze.

Met al die militaire aanwezigheid in India in de hoedanigheid van materieel, kennis, opleiding en training van Rusland gaat die F-35 er echt even niet komen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/10/2016 | 13:08 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 09/10/2016 | 12:47 uur
Met al die militaire aanwezigheid in India in de hoedanigheid van materieel, kennis, opleiding en training van Rusland gaat die F-35 er echt even niet komen.

De komende decennia vrijwel zeker niet en over een jaar of 40 gaat niemand meer voor de F35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 09/10/2016 | 13:12 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/10/2016 | 08:48 uur
Hoe nieuwsgierig ik ook ben naar de block 70 denk ik, als het er uiteindelijk echt van komt, dat de Gripen E hier de hoogste ogen gaat gooien....

Naast het technische- en financiele verhaal heb je het psychisch aspect immers de aardsvijand vliegt ook met de F16 al is deze minder capabel.

Er is nog een alternatief mogelijk, India en  Israel werken veel samen om defensie materiaal te ontwikkelen en te bouwen waarom blaast men geen nieuw leven in de LAVI dat is voor beide landen een win win situatie. Dan hoef je niet alles opnieuw te ontwerpen alleen nieuwe Avonica.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Lavi

http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/iai_lavi.htm









Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/10/2016 | 13:18 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 09/10/2016 | 13:12 uur
Er is nog een alternatief mogelijk, India en  Israel werken veel samen om defensie materiaal te ontwikkelen en te bouwen waarom blaast men geen nieuw leven in de LAVI dat is voor beide landen een win win situatie. Dan hoef je niet alles opnieuw te ontwerpen alleen nieuwe Avonica.


Dan zal je alles opnieuw moeten gaan doen, de stekker is in 1987, bijna 30 jaar geleden, uit het project gegaan.

Dan kan je beter vanaf scratch beginnen of trek, beter nog, het Saab FS2020 concept uit de kast.

Lijkt mij een volledig kansloze suggestie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 09/10/2016 | 13:33 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/10/2016 | 13:18 uur


Dan zal je alles opnieuw moeten gaan doen, de stekker is in 1987, bijna 30 jaar geleden, uit het project gegaan.

Dan kan je beter vanaf scratch beginnen of trek, beter nog, het Saab FS2020 concept uit de kast.

Lijkt mij een volledig kansloze suggestie.

Jurrien heeft geen ervaring met Auto Cad daar kunnen ontwerpers en  ingenieurs  een bestaand ontwerp aanpassen, voordat Auto Cad op de markt kwam was het sneller en goedkoper om blanco met een ontwerp te beginnen in plaats van een bestaand ontwerp te gaan aanpassen. En daarnaast heb ik veel vetrouwen in de Israëlische defensie industrie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/10/2016 | 13:42 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 09/10/2016 | 13:33 uur
Jurrien heeft geen ervaring met Auto Cad daar kunnen ontwerpers en  ingenieurs  een bestaand ontwerp aanpassen, voordat Auto Cad op de markt kwam was het sneller en goedkoper om blanco met een ontwerp te beginnen in plaats van een bestaand ontwerp te gaan aanpassen. En daarnaast heb ik veel vetrouwen in de Israëlische defensie industrie.

Die gaan zeker geen decennia oud ontwerp opnieuw introduceren.

Kijk alleen al naar de F22 herstart discussie.... welke het niet gaat redden in de herkansing.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 09/10/2016 | 13:56 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/10/2016 | 13:42 uur
Die gaan zeker geen decennia oud ontwerp opnieuw introduceren.

Kijk alleen al naar de F22 herstart discussie.... welke het niet gaat redden in de herkansing.

De F22 is een ander verhaal omdat daar bepaalde onderdelen niet meer van worden gemaakt. Rekoff wilde toch ook  de Fokker F100 een nieuw leven inblazen door gebruik te maken van nieuwe vleugels en motoren, de romp bleef hetzelfde.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/10/2016 | 14:03 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 09/10/2016 | 13:56 uur
De F22 is een ander verhaal omdat daar bepaalde onderdelen niet meer van worden gemaakt. Rekoff wilde toch ook  de Fokker F100 een nieuw leven inblazen door gebruik te maken van nieuwe vleugels en motoren, de romp bleef hetzelde.

Het Rekkof verhaal is al lang dood en vwb een herstart van de LAVI: het zou wellicht een idee zijn geweest in de jaren negentig van de vorige eeuw, anno nu kunnen ze beter in het voorkomende geval een nieuw concept uitwerken, zoals ik al aangaf kijk dan naar de Saab FS2020 en noem het de FS2030.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 09/10/2016 | 14:15 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 09/10/2016 | 13:33 uur
Jurrien heeft geen ervaring met Auto Cad daar kunnen ontwerpers en  ingenieurs  een bestaand ontwerp aanpassen, voordat Auto Cad op de markt kwam was het sneller en goedkoper om blanco met een ontwerp te beginnen in plaats van een bestaand ontwerp te gaan aanpassen. En daarnaast heb ik veel vetrouwen in de Israëlische defensie industrie.

Een straaljager ontwerpen gaat iets verder dan tekensoftware....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/10/2016 | 14:39 uur
Eurofighter Partners Face Hard Decisions on Production, Damages As Orders Run Out

(Source: Defense-Aerospace.com; posted Oct 07, 2016)

By Giovanni de Briganti

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Without new orders, Eurofighter's Spanish and German Final Assembly Lines will be the first to close, in 2018, after the delivery of the final aircraft to their national customers; the British line will follow in 2019. (EF Spain)

PARIS --- The four Eurofighter partners face major decisions over the next couple of years, as two of their four final assembly lines begin running out of work in 2018, and production of major components faces a two-year suspension until it resumes in 2018 for the aircraft ordered by Kuwait earlier this year.

Coping with the end of production will create complex management challenges for the four partner companies who own prime contractor Eurofighter Jagdflugzug GmbH, (Airbus, with 46%, BAE Systems with 33% and Leonardo-Finmeccanica, with 21%, according to the latest shareholdings), as well as a loss of revenue that will lead them to decide whether to claim compensation from the four partner governments for the substantial cuts in overall production numbers since the "umbrella contract" was signed.

Closing down a final assembly line is akin to the kiss of death in a market as competitive as the one for modern combat aircraft, and what dissuasive effect closing two FALs might have on prospective customers can only be guessed. Boeing (with the F-18E) and Lockheed Martin (with the F-16) face similar problems, and all are scrambling to ring up new sales before they run out of work.

Losing credibility in the market would be especially ironic for the four Eurofighter partner nations, as they are investing upwards of a billion euros to upgrade the aircraft -- notably by adding an AESA radar, an improved self-defense suite and new, more capable weapons – to make it more competitive and more attractive to prospective customers.

However, the upgrade package has come very late in the game, and while it will substantially improve the effectiveness of their in-service fleets, it might not arrive soon enough for prospective buyers, who would look askance at the closing of final assembly lines or the hibernation of component fabrication.

This is one of the reasons why the partner companies shy away from this issue. "We are not confirming any delivery figures publicly," an Airbus DS spokesman said Oct 05, while a spokesman for BAE Military Aircraft said Oct 6 that "Based on current orders, aircraft will continue to be delivered until 2023," wrongly implying uninterrupted production and glossing over the fact that BAE's own final assembly line is due to close in 2018.

Furthermore, information relating to production workshare and aircraft deliveries is no longer available on the Eurofighter website.

Two FALs to close in 2018, one in 2019 and Italy's in 2022

The crux of the problem is that the two final assembly lines (FAL) operated by the German and Spanish units of Airbus Defence and Space will run out of work in 2018 and 2019, when they deliver the last aircraft to their respective air forces.

As of September, Airbus Spain had delivered 61 of 73 Eurofighters, with 12 left, while as of July 1 Airbus Germany had delivered 120 of 143 aircraft on order. Even though both are stretching out production as much as possible (by lowering production rates to 8 aircraft/year in Germany and 4 per year in Spain), it is inevitable that, without a new order, they will begin to shut down in 2018, either temporarily or permanently.

Eurofighter Deliveries, 2016-2022

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(D-A.com research and analysis of manufacturer and MoD data, other sources)
* Final delivery to Kuwait tentatively scheduled for 4th Quarter 2022, but could slide into 2023.

"After delivery of last German Air Force aircraft, the Airbus FAL at Manching will be interrupted until further‎ export contracts are acquired (capability to produce further Eurofighter in Manching will be secured) [but] assembly of centre fuselages will continue," the Airbus DS spokesman said Oct 5.

The situation is marginally better in Britain, as foreign sales have helped to make up for large cuts in national orders. BAE says in its latest annual report that 18 Typhoon aircraft were delivered from the UK final assembly facility in 2015, of which 12 for Saudi Arabia, and in November 2015 the company decided to reduce its production rate to delay the inevitable.

As of June 30, BAE had a backlog of 42 aircraft (22 for the Royal Air Force, 8 for Saudi Arabia and 12 for Oman), but contractual delivery deadlines limit its flexibility to slow production.

Current plans call for BAE to deliver 7 aircraft in the second half of 2016, 17 in 2017, 12 in 2018 and the final 6 in 2019, when the British FAL will close unless BAE finds new foreign customers.

In fact, it is Italy that seems to have best managed its Eurofighter assembly line, thanks to its recent 28-aircraft order from Kuwait. On current orders, it has a backlog of 42 aircraft, which will keep its final assembly line in business until end 2022 -- or early 2023 – four years later then its three program partners. Production schedules as of June 30 call for three more aircraft to be delivered this year, 5 each in 2017 and 2018, 3 in 2019, 9 each in 2020 and 2021, and the last 8 in 2022.

Component production to be suspended two years

As final assembly is winding down, fabrication of components will be suspended in three countries of the four countries, and will not resume until 2018, when new parts will be needed to assemble the 28 aircraft ordered by Kuwait.

Airbus Spain will build its last wing in July 2017, for example, and Airbus subsidiary Premium Aerotech is now building its final center fuselage, after which their component production lines will temporarily close down for at least two years, Die Welt reported quoting a company spokesman. Several phone calls and an e-mail to Aerotech's Head of Communications, Markus Wölfle, were ignored.

In November, BAE Systems "announced a reduction in its build rate for Typhoon assemblies to ensure production continuity at competitive costs over the medium term," which in simple words means they're stretching out production as long as possible to avoid having to close, mothball and then re-open the lines on which it builds components and parts.

Financial implications 

Whenever they may happen, these production shutdowns will have financially significant consequences. For example, according to its latest annual report, BAE Systems gained £1.1 billion in 2014 and £1.4 billion in 2015 "under the Typhoon work share agreement with Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH," the program's nominal prime contractor, and this business will inevitably slow in the absence of new orders.

By extrapolating from BAE's figures, and based on current workshare, we estimate that in 2015 Eurofighter fabrication was worth about 2.7 billion euros to Airbus DS (the company does not break out Eurofighter revenue). Leonardo said in its annual report that revenue obtained through Eurofighter amounted to 897 million euros in 2015 and 898 million euros in 2014.

Thanks to slower assembly, and the Kuwaiti contract, Leonardo will interrupt neither its final assembly line nor its component production until 2022, when the last Kuwaiti aircraft is to be delivered, a company spokesman said Oct. 7.

Consequently, and alone among the partner companies, Leonardo will continue to benefit from steady revenue from the Eurofighter program until 2023, albeit it with a dip in 2019.

It should be noted that workshare differs somewhat from shareholding, as the respective production work shares stand at 43% for Airbus Defence and Space, 37.5% for BAE Systems and 19.5% for Finmeccanica.

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The original Eurofighter workshare and production runs have since been substantially modified. (Source: BAES) 

Compensation or no compensation? 

Compensation will look more attractive to Germany and Spain, which have achieved no export sales of Eurofighter, but could appear less justified for Britain and Italy, whose government-backed export sales (to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, respectively) have partly compensated for cuts in national orders.

The partner companies have not so far mentioned any figure for the damages they might be seeking, but Die Welt estimated them in the high hundreds of million euros in an Oct. 4 article.

However, given that the German government has already fined Airbus for late delivery of the A400M airlifter, the company's position regarding compensation and damages to be claimed from Germany and Spain, its two national customers, may be difficult to resolve.

Initial production cut by 25%

When the Eurofighter program was launched, the four partner nations signed a contract in January 1998 to jointly produce 620 aircraft: 232 for Germany, 180 for Germany, 121 for Italy and 87 for Spain; a clause also included options on another 90 aircraft.

However, in 2009, the third production batch (known as "Tranche 3") was divided into two parts: Tranche 3A, which was ordered, and Tranche 3B, on which governments deferred a decision until 2014.

As Tranche 3B has now lapsed due to a lack of contract, final production for the four partner countries will be limited to 470 aircraft – a drop of nearly 25% compared to the initial 620, and so a substantial loss of business for the companies involved.

Just the cancellation of Tranche 3B (124 aircraft) represents a major loss of business for the four manufacturers, and for which they are contractually entitled to compensation.

Tranche 1 retirement by 2019 means loss of upgrade revenue

European Eurofighter fleets are also due to shrink further by the end of this decade, when all four countries plan to retire their Tranche 1 aircraft, which they have been trying to offload on the world market for some time.

This means that these aircraft will not be upgraded beyond minor improvements to their avionics to keep them current, so industry will lose another revenue opportunity on the program.

Tranche 1 aircraft in service currently total 133 aircraft: 28 in Italy, 18 in Spain, and 33 in Germany, but the biggest operator is the Royal Air Force, which has 53 in service. Originally due to be retired in 2019, the latter may in fact serve longer and equip two new Typhoon squadrons that the British Strategic Defence and Security Review revealed would be set up for the air policing / QRA mission.

And now? 

Germany and Spain currently have no combat aircraft to follow Eurofighter production, and although the UK is a major production partner for the F-35, it will not have a final assembly line of its own.

Again, Italy seems to have best managed its transition out of the Eurofighter program, as it is already producing F-35 parts and is already assembling aircraft on a new, government-paid but Leonardo-operated Final Assembly and Check-Out (FACO) line at Cameri, near Milan.

After Eurofighter production ends, only two relatively small, family-owned companies will be able to produce European combat aircraft: Dassault Aviation of France and Saab AB of Sweden.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/feature/177740/eurofighter-four-face-hard-decisions-on-production%2C-damages-as-orders-run-out.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/10/2016 | 08:07 uur
F-15 upgrade's

USAF taps Boeing to select new F-15 sensor supplier

The US Air Force has delegated to Boeing the task of selecting a supplier for a $198 million upgrade of the F-15C/D that will enable the twin-engined fighter to detect at long range the heat generated by an aircraft engine.

The proposed acquisition of 132 infrared search and track (IRST) sensors, including 100 for active duty squadrons, 25 for the Air National Guard and eight test assets, follows the delegation approach the USAF also used to upgrade the radars on the F-15E.

By delegating the selection of the sensor pod, the USAF avoids giving losing bidders a chance to protest Boeing's decision to the US Government Accountability Office (GAO).

After selecting the IRST pod supplier, Boeing will be tasked with integrating the pod with the F-15's other systems, including the Raytheon-supplied active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, the USAF says in an acquisition notice dated 10 October.

An IRST sensor — essentially, a gimballed, infrared telescope — is a common feature on the latest Western European and Russian fighter models, and is gaining popularity on US-made fighters.

In contrast with a transmitting radar, an IRST does not actively emit energy as it scans for targets. That makes such sensors useful for maintaining situational awareness in cases where the radar must be turned off to avoid detection.

In budget documents released last February, the USAF justified the estimated cost of giving the F-15 a sensor to detect infrared radiation. Such a sensor scans "a large volume of airspace [and] fills gaps left by other sensors", the document says. The IRST also "complements the radar to enhance survivability and lethality against air-to-air threats".

Boeing is likely to have several options to evaluate. Saudi Arabia equipped its new fleet of Boeing F-15SA fighters with the Lockheed Martin AAS-42 IRST. Lockheed is now offering a version of that IRST to the USAF as the "Legion Pod". Northrop Grumman has developed the "Open Pod" for integration on the F-15.

Meanwhile, Boeing Phantom Works developed an IRST sensor for the USAF's Talon HATE pod. Boeing delivered several Talon HATE pods to the USAF F-15 fleet, but the IRST was a sideline interest. The main point of Talon HATE is to allow the F-15 to communicate with the intra-flight data link on the Lockheed Martin F-22, which otherwise is unable to share data with non-stealthy aircraft.

The IRST sensor is one of several upgrades planned for the USAF's F-15s, which are now expected to remain in service until 2040, or more than 60 years after the F-15A entered service. In addition to radar and communications upgrades, the USAF also is installing BAE Systems' Eagle Passive Active Warning Survivability System (EPAWSS), which gives the F-15 the ability to tracing radar signals to a location that can then be targeted.

Last June, the USAF also started flight tests of a new advanced display core processor, an enabling technology in the cockpit that supports the flood of information generated by the upgraded radar, IRST and EPAWSS.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-taps-boeing-to-select-new-f-15-sensor-supplier-430208/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/10/2016 | 09:40 uur
Norway AF requests 12 F-35As in proposed block buy

By Stephen Trimble | Washington DC | 12 October, 2016

Norway would buy 12 more Lockheed Martin F-35As for delivery in 2021 and 2022 under a new spending plan submitted to Parliament.

The proposal, if approved, would raise the total number of authorised F-35A purchases to 40 aircraft, or only 12 short of the Norwegian air force's requirement.

The requested authorisation also would allow Norway to participate in a proposed "block buy" for the F-35's US and international partners.

The F-35 Joint Programme Office is working to package purchases of hundreds of F-35s spread over two or three years from 2018 to 2020 into a single order commitment.

In the process, the JPO has to tap dance around US government policies that prohibit a "multi-year procurement" until after a weapons programme completes initial operational test and evaluation (IOT&E). The F-35 is not scheduled to complete IOT&E until at least 2018.

Unlike a multi-year procurement, a block buy does not lock the US or international partners into firm orders, but it gives Lockheed's supply chain a long-term view of likely demand.

The JPO hopes to translate that long-term commitment into $2 billion in cost savings over the three-year term.

Norway is the first F-35 customer to request authorisation to enter a block buy.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/norway-af-requests-12-f-35as-in-proposed-block-buy-430271/

Norway voices support for F-35 in budget proposal (http://www.star-telegram.com/news/business/article107236622.html)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/10/2016 | 14:56 uur
JAPAN AEROSPACE: Boeing promotes F-15 as air-to-air missile truck

By Greg Waldron | Tokyo | 12 October, 2016

Boeing believes there are several upgrades that can be applied to Tokyo's fleet of F-15J air superiority fighters, which could both extend the type's service life and greatly enhance its capabilities.

Jim Armington, Boeing's defence head in Japan, says the airframer has shared ideas about possible F-15 upgrades with Tokyo, but declines to comment on specifics.

"The JASDF [Japan Air Self-Defence Force] is looking at missions, and the F-15 has a lot of potential," he says.

Armington does, however, confirm that there are many hours left on Tokyo's airframes, and that with the technology available today, its F-15J fleet could "leapfrog" technologies now present in the market.

"There are a lot of options," says Armington, a former F-15 pilot. "These include AESA [active electronically scanned array] radars, a new mission computer, a new electronic warfare suite, conformal fuel tanks, and additional missiles."

A model on display at Boeing's stand at the Japan Aerospace show depicts an F-15 loaded with 16 Raytheon AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles: double the load now available.

Armington says the cost of upgrading legacy jets would be considerably less than obtaining new aircraft.

In 2015, Boeing unveiled an enhanced version of the F-15C designed to keep the model operationally relevant through to 2040. Called 2040C, the upgrade package included "quad-pack" munitions racks designed to double the aircraft's air-to-air missile payload to 16 and conformal fuel tanks for extended-range flights. The package also included Raytheon's APG-63(V)3 AESA radar and a long-range infrared search-and-track sensor for a claimed "first sight, first shot, first kill" air-to-air capability.

Will Lane, of Boeing's F-15 sales and marketing team, says new-build F-15 aircraft can accommodate extra missiles on an additional outboard hardpoint. For legacy fighters, including those operated by Japan, fitting an outboard hardpoint would be difficult and expensive, so a better option is to double the number of missiles carried under the fuselage, to eight.

"For legacy jets, we can increase the missile load to 16, but for new jets we can offer 20," says Lane.

The air-to-air mission is a high priority for Japan. In a hypothetical conflict with its main regional rival, China, it would need to contend with waves of cruise missiles in addition to China's growing air force.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/japan-aerospace-boeing-promotes-f-15-as-air-to-air-430296/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/10/2016 | 15:40 uur
Australian Senate Confirms F-35A Choice But Wants Plan B    (.. plan B => aankoop extra F-18E/F/G  ?  )

Joint Strike Fighter: Senate Committee Recommends Defence Department Establish Plan B

A Senate committee looking into the controversial multi-billion-dollar Joint Strike Fighter program has recommended Defence develop a plan B in case the high-tech F-35A aircraft are not ready on time.

The first are expected to arrive in Australia in 2018 and enter service in 2020, replacing the F/A-18 Hornet fleet.

The committee investigating the acquisition said it had listened to concerns about the aircraft's manoeuvrability, stealth capabilities, escape system and other features.

Serious problems led to a re-baselining of the program in 2012.

In a report, the committee said it was the only aircraft able to meet Australia's strategic needs, but retained a "healthy scepticism" towards the assurances about the aircraft, its costs and delivery time.

The committee recommended the Department of Defence develop a hedging strategy in case of additional delays.

It noted the Australian Strategic Policy Institute's advice that the "most sensible hedge" would be to order more F/A-18F Super Hornets.

The committee has recommended the hedging strategy be completed by 2018 and capable of implementation by 2019 at the latest.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/177886/australian-senate-confirms-f_35a-choice-but-wants-plan-b.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/10/2016 | 15:42 uur
Sweden's SAAB Sweetens Deal for Gripen Jet

(Source: The Hindu; published Oct 13, 2016)
By Dinakar Peri

LINKOPING, Sweden --- In an aggressive push to capture a share in India's fighter aircraft market, Swedish aerospace major SAAB has offered its latest radar technology as part of the Gripen fighter package along with significant technology transfer in addition to design consultancy for developing the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mk-1A which the Indian Air Force (IAF) plans to induct in large numbers.

The move comes even as India is looking to select a single engine fighter aircraft to be built in India in large numbers under the 'Make in India' initiative.

Explaining the developments in Advanced Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, Lars Tossman, vice-president & Head of Communications of SAAB said that they were the first company to develop an AESA radar with Gallium Nitride which, he said, significantly enhances its efficiency and performance over the current AESA radars.

"We will be willing to share this and transfer the technology to India," he told a group of visiting Indian journalists. India is looking to select a single engine fighter aircraft to be built in large numbers in India with extensive technology transfer for which the SAAB had offered its latest Gripen E fighter. "Our Transfer of Technology [ToT] is more than just transfer of assembly work aiming for an indigenous system of systems integration capability to create indigenous capabilities," said Mats Palmberg, heading the SAAB Gripen program for India. Mr. Palmberg said that with AESA radar, stealth was not as important as it was earlier.

Strategic partnership

The company officials said that SAAB was looking for a strategic partner for the Gripen program in the long-term and India and Sweden have good relations without political compulsions.

Officials said Gripen was the first fighter to be integrated with the Meteor, Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile. India is procuring the Meteor, considered a game changer with its range of 150 km, as part of the Rafale package concluded with France recently.

Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd., which is manufacturing the LCA, is looking for foreign design assistance on the LCA Mk-1A to make specific improvements sought by the IAF which include an AESA radar, mid-air refuelling and improved electronic warfare suite which need design change in addition to other minor improvements.

The SAAB officials said that both the LCA and the Gripen are of similar class and also share the same General Electric engine citing commonality in maintenance and operation. "We have submitted proposals to India on LCA," Mr. Tossman said.

In addition, the SAAB officials offered help in the development of the next-generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) being designed by Aeronautical Design Agency (ADA).

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/177888/sweden%E2%80%99s-saab-sweetens-india-deal-for-gripen.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/10/2016 | 15:48 uur
USAF lays out F-15C/D re-winging plans   (.... F-15 nog lang niet weg te denken uit de USAF ... )

The US Air Force (USAF) is to moving ahead with plans to re-wing its Boeing F-15C/D Eagle fleet as it looks to maintain the type at the forefront of capabilities over the coming decades.

An industry day for the F-15C Service-Life Extension Program (SLEP) is being held at Robins Air Force Base (AFB) in Georgia on 13 October to consider options for the re-winging of all 235 F-15C/D aircraft in the USAF's inventory to see the type through to its projected out-of-service date of 2045.

As noted on the Federal Business Opportunities (FedBizOpps) website, the new wing will be the same stronger unit as that fitted to the F-15E Strike Eagle variant; be capable of 14 years of flying at current worst usage severity before needing depot-level inspections; maintain the current F-15C/D outer-mould line and existing fuselage interfaces; maintain compatibility with the original aerodynamic and structural properties; show airworthiness compliance without additional full-scale durability testing; and be compatible with all existing aircraft and weapons systems to include fuel, hydraulic, electrical, and environment control systems.

Industry day briefing slides posted on the day of the event note that the USAF is looking to receive the first three production prototype wing sets in fiscal year (FY) 2020. Delivery of 10 low-rate initial production (LRIP) sets will take place in 2022, to be followed by the remaining full-rate production (FRP) wings at a rate of about 40 a year through to 2028.

Companies attending the industry day comprise the original equipment manufacturer (OEM) Boeing; current wing manufacturer Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI); and sub-contractors CPI Aerostructures, Yulista Aviation, Constellium, Kitco Defense, Cherokee Nation Aerospace and Defense, FQ&P Aviation Limited, and Herndon Products.

A formal request for proposals (RfP) is expected to be issued in the fourth quarter of FY 2017.

http://www.janes.com/article/64588/usaf-lays-out-f-15c-d-re-winging-plans
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/10/2016 | 15:54 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 13/10/2016 | 15:48 uur
USAF lays out F-15C/D re-winging plans   (.... F-15 nog lang niet weg te denken uit de USAF ... )

An industry day for the F-15C Service-Life Extension Program (SLEP) is being held at Robins Air Force Base (AFB) in Georgia on 13 October to consider options for the re-winging of all 235 F-15C/D aircraft in the USAF's inventory to see the type through to its projected out-of-service date of 2045.

Kun je je toch eigenlijk niet voorstellen om een jachtvliegtuigtype ongeveer 70 jaar in operationeel gebruik te houden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/10/2016 | 16:04 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/10/2016 | 15:54 uur
Kun je je toch eigenlijk niet voorstellen om een jachtvliegtuigtype ongeveer 70 jaar in operationeel gebruik te houden.

idd, was in de regel ondenkbaar, maar denk dat zo-wie-zo de type F-15, F-16, F-18 langer zullen rondvliegen dan hun voorgangers en denk ook hun opvolgers.

Zoals de plannen nu liggen bij de USAF zullen de F-15 nog zeker 20-25 jaar blijven !

:devil:  Hadden wij als NL ook wel nieuwe F15SE kunnen aanschaffen ....  ;) ;D  .. dan hadden we daar nu al in kunnen vliegen.. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/10/2016 | 16:06 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 13/10/2016 | 16:04 uur
:devil:  Hadden wij als NL ook wel nieuwe F15SE kunnen aanschaffen ....  ;) ;D  .. dan hadden we daar nu al in kunnen vliegen..

;D in een één op één van minimaal 60 exemplaren... helaas.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/10/2016 | 16:11 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 13/10/2016 | 16:04 uur
:devil:  Hadden wij als NL ook wel nieuwe F15SE kunnen aanschaffen ....  ;) ;D  .. dan hadden we daar nu al in kunnen vliegen..

Wat als Boeing weer de eenzitter inclusief CFT's kon maken? 8)

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F-15C 80-0038 from the 57th FIS at Keflavik, Iceland, seen at Boscombe Down in 1992.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/10/2016 | 16:16 uur
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/d3e/Screen_160608_101613.jpg)

I would love it  ... :big-smile:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/10/2016 | 16:21 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/10/2016 | 16:11 uur
Wat als Boeing weer de eenzitter inclusief CFT's kon maken? 8)

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F-15C 80-0038 from the 57th FIS at Keflavik, Iceland, seen at Boscombe Down in 1992.

nice !  ..

2-zitters voor NL, zou mijn voorkeur hebben. dus met "wisso"  WSO (Weapons System Officer)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 14/10/2016 | 16:44 uur
Taurus KEPD 350K to South Korea

The first batch of Taurus KEPD 350K stand-off missiles has been delivered to the Korean air force, and two are seen here on a Boeing F-15K Strike Eagle. The missile's integration onto the aircraft is in its final stages.

TAURUS weapon system will provide RoKAF with the most advanced stand-off and deep strike capability currently available on the world market.

Taurus KEPD 350K is an enhanced and upgraded version of the Taurus KEPD 350 missile, which has been in service with the German Air Force since 2005 and with the Spanish Air Force since 2009.

The Taurus KEPD 350K is a modular stand-off missile system for precision strikes. The KEPD 350K missile has been designed and developed to fly through dense air defenses at a very low terrain-following level and for the engagement of high-value targets.

The missile contains a highly effective dual stage warhead system, which combines excellent penetration capabilities for hard and deeply buried targets with blast-and-fragmentation capabilities against point and area targets.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/177941/first-taurus-kepd-stand_off-missiles-handed-over-to-korea.html

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/10/2016 | 11:57 uur
Lockheed Proposes Stealth Fighter Project with Mitsubishi Heavy (excerpt)

(Source: Nikkei Asian Review; published Oct 15, 2016)

By Sam Nussey

TOKYO -- Lockheed Martin has proposed developing a new Japanese stealth fighter with Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, the U.S. defense giant's president told The Nikkei.

"We did respond with our partner MHI to the request for information in August," Lockheed Martin President Marillyn Hewson said in an interview at the Japan Aerospace 2016 trade show.

Lockheed Martin's proposal was made in response to a call from Japan's Ministry of Defense, which is weighing options to boost Japan's defensive capabilities in the face of rising regional tensions.

Japan is looking to replace its aging fleet of around 90 F-2 fighters and is mulling three possibilities. The first would be for Japan to develop a new jet domestically. The second would be co-development with foreign defense contractors, such as Lockheed Martin. The third would be to buy more existing aircraft -- say, Lockheed Martin's F-35 stealth jet.

The Japanese ministry's deliberations are ongoing, with a second round of information requests to be made by the end of next March. "We will definitely respond [to this request], we will be a part of that process," Hewson said. A final decision is expected in fiscal 2018.

Lockheed Martin rival Boeing has also proposed working with MHI on a replacement for the F-2. Alternatively, the Japanese contractor could opt to go it alone with its experimental stealth fighter, which made its maiden flight in April.

Japan has already purchased 42 F-35s from Lockheed Martin to replace its F-4 fleet. The F-35 was originally developed by the U.S. and eight other countries, including the U.K. and Italy, in what has been described as the world's largest weapons program. (end of excerpt)

Click here (http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Lockheed-proposes-stealth-fighter-project-with-Mitsubishi-Heavy) for the full story, on Nikkei Asian Review website.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/177989/lockheed-proposes-stealth-fighter-project-with-mitsubishi-heavy.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/10/2016 | 10:11 uur
Next generation planes will either by large or they will use new engines that switch between performance and fuel efficiency

http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/10/next-generation-planes-will-either-by.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 23/10/2016 | 11:21 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/10/2016 | 10:11 uur
Next generation planes will either by large or they will use new engines that switch between performance and fuel efficiency

http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/10/next-generation-planes-will-either-by.html
De F-22A Raptor begon zijn leven in het Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF) programma.  Tot 1985 hoefde deze ATF ook nauwelijks steels te zijn, zo had een ATF voorstel van  Rockwell International veel gelijkenissen met een Sukhoi-27.  Boeing kwam met een voorstel dat leek op een Concorde, maar dan met 2 motoren onder de vleugels en qua afmetingen vergelijkbaar met de Chinese J-20.
Het Militair Industriele Complex begon echter een lobby om de ATF steels te maken, want dat zou volgens hen een grotere omzet betekenen.
In 1985 werd plotseling van het ATF geëist dat deze wel steels moest zijn.   Nogal zeer uitdagend, want er is ook een harde eis, dat het ATF supersonisch moet kunnen kruisen (supercruise).    Er kwamen romp en vleugel constructies, die vloekten met de aërodynamica.  Sommige ATF ontwerpen hadden canards, maar dat zijn goede radar reflectors, dus die verdwenen.  En door Radar Absorberende Materialen werd het ATF flink zwaarder / te zwaar.
Dus werden de ontwerpers gedwongen om het ATF een slag kleiner te maken en de US Air Force moest de supercruise specificaties wat terugschroeven.
Deze steelse ATF heeft echter een relatief kort bereik.

De J-20 heeft een zeer lange en ruime romp, dus veel ruimte voor een groot centraal wapenruim en veel peut.  De ontwerpers hebben wel Stealth technologie toegepast, maar zijn daarin minder ver gegaan dan de Amerikanen.  De J-20 heeft wel canards voor een zo groot mogelijke wendbaarheid en het romp achterstuk en staart hebben weinig steelse vormen, dus goedkoper te bouwen en te onderhouden.

De F-22A Raptor, J-20, Su-35 en PAK-FA, het zijn mastodonten van jachtvliegtuigen.
De Dinosauriers werden ook groter en groter ... uitgestorven.
Een volgende generatie jachtvliegtuigen zou wel eens veel lichter en kleiner kunnen zijn dan de huidige generaties jachtvliegtuigen.  Denk aan het formaat van een F-5E of F-16A.
En de motor zou in plaats van een complexe "variable cycle" engine, wel eens van een veel eenvoudiger ontwerp kunnen zijn dan die in de F-16 en F-22.

Wie van jullie rijdt er nog dagelijks en vaak lange afstanden rond in een VW Golf uit 1979 of een Opel Rekord uit 1974 ?  Waarbij het oude analoge dashboard vervangen is door een digitaal instrumentarium met TomTom en entertainment systeem en de originele motor nu zijn werk doet met een 20 jaar geleden ingebouwde digitaal motor management ?
Waarom 44 jaar met een jachtvliegtuig rond vliegen ?   Zijn er dan nog wel ingenieurs die ervaring hebben met het ontwerpen daarvan ?
Zijn er wel structureel voldoende onderhouden-, en reparatie mensen beschikbaar om die steeds ingewikkelder jachtvliegtuigen vliegend en vooral voldoende inzetbaar te houden?  Nee.
Zijn er überhaupt voldoende muntjes beschikbaar om die steeds complexere kisten te ontwikkelen en te bouwen ?  Nee.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/10/2016 | 08:19 uur
U.S. Air Force Begins Search for Leap-Ahead Fighter

The U.S. Air Combat Command (ACC) will embark on an 18-month analysis of leap-ahead air superiority fighter options next January, as eight nations move forward with development of a dozen different fifth-generation combat jets aimed at narrowing the U.S.'s lead with the Lockheed Martin F-22 and F-35.

After publishing its Air Superiority 2030 Flight Plan in May, the air service is now reaching for what is known as Penetrating Counter-Air (PCA), a family of weapons designed to clear the skies of enemy threats 4 years from now. PCA will not be a "sixth-gen" fighter in the traditional sense, but it will be a successor or supplement to the Boeing F-15 Eagle and F-22 Raptor.

PCA does include a new low-observable aircraft powered by an adaptive-cycle engine, armed with an internally carried successor to the Raytheon AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile and AGM-88-series High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile.

Col. Thomas Coglitore, chief of ACC's ‎air superiority core function and next-generation air dominance working groups, tells Aviation Week that PCA is "the air domain piece of a family of capabilities for the future in the counter-air mission." From about January 2017 to June 2018, his team will determine the key requirements and present a range of hardware options to senior leaders for entry into an acquisition program.

Coglitore says the current and projected capability gaps are already well-known and the range of technologies available have been identified through initiatives with the Office of the Secretary of Defense, DARPA, the Defense Science Board, Air Force Research Laboratory and various think tanks.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/178263/usaf-begins-search-for-follow_on-combat-aircraft-for-2030s.html

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/10/2016 | 15:58 uur
China to unveil its J-20 stealth fighter at air show

BEIJING, Oct 28 (Reuters) - China will unveil its new generation J-20 stealth fighter jet at an air show next week, the air force said on Friday, the first public showing of a warplane China hopes will narrow the military gap with the United States.

The ability to project air power is key for China as it takes on a more assertive stance on territorial disputes with neighbours in the East China and South China seas.

The Pentagon has said the fifth generation stealth aircraft China is developing, the J-20 and the J-31, are necessary for China's air force to evolve from a mostly territorial force to one that can carry out both offensive and defensive operations.

The J-20 will give a flight demonstration at next week's China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition in the southern city of Zhuhai, the People's Liberation Army Air Force said in a statement on its official microblog.

Air force spokesman Shen Jinke said the J-20's production was proceeding according to plan and would assist in the air force's mission to "safeguard sovereignty and national security".

"This is the first public appearance of China's indigenously manufactured new generation stealth fighter jet," the air force said.
In June, it said the jet would enter service "in the near future".

The new Y-20 military transport aircraft will also give a flight demonstration at the seven-day air show, which is held every two years and opens on Tuesday.

China showed off the J-31 at the last Zhuhai air show in 2014, a show of muscle that coincided with a visit by U.S. President Barack Obama for an Asia-Pacific summit.

China hopes the J-31, still in development, will compete with the U.S.-made F-35 stealth aircraft in the international market, according to China military watchers and state media reports.

Some analysts have said photographs of the J-20 suggest China may be making faster-than-expected progress in developing a rival to Lockheed Martin's radar-evading F-22 Raptor.

But others say China's defence manufacturers are still struggling to develop advanced engines that would allow its warplanes to match Western fighters in combat.

Beijing has been ramping up research into advanced new military equipment, including submarines, aircraft carriers and anti-satellite missiles, which has rattled nerves regionally and in the United States.

China says there is nothing unusual about its development of military technology, and that it is a reasonable course of action for every country that wants to defend its security. (Reporting by Michael Martina; Editing by Robert Birsel)

http://news.trust.org/item/20161028064658-w16k1

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China has confirmed it will publicly unveil its J-20 stealth fighter at the Zhuhai air show. The aircraft, seen here in a new operational camouflage, is reportedly in low-rate initial production, and is due to enter service in "the near future." (Chinese internet photo)

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/178369/china-to-unveil-j_20-stealth-fighter-at-zhuhai-air-show.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 31/10/2016 | 10:33 uur
The Air Force Now Plans To Keep The A-10 Warthog Flying Indefinitely    ( ... A-10 blijft langer door vliegen, waarschijnlijk tot 2028 )

The A-10 Thunderbolt AKA "Warthog" is a flying farm tractor. Slow, brutish, but reliable as the tide and endearingly indestructible and incredibly effective. Strategists have feared that the jet will be axed in favor of funding the F-35, but the U.S. Air Force recently confirmed that it plans to keep the A-10 flying "indefinitely."

While the Air Force is theoretically supposed to be diverting the A-10's operating expenses to feed the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the people in charge are now planning to keep the plane running.

"They have re-geared up, we've turned on the depot line, we're building it back up in capacity and supply chain," Air Force Materiel Command chief Gen. Ellen Pawlikowski told AviationWeek in a interview. "Our command, anyway, is approaching this as another airplane that we are sustaining indefinitely."

While the beancounters and product planners are trying to push the A-10 off the board, Materiel Command is going to keep on keeping the planes in peak condition, which will give the A-10 it's best chance of proving its worth over and over again.

And it seems to be working– the A-10 posted a five percent increase in its availability rate from 2014 to 2015, and the Air Force seems to keep postponing its demise.

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is supposed to be a do-it-all combat aircraft that can engage other planes in the sky, make long-range bombing runs and come in low and slow to support ground troops. It hasn't gotten off to a great start, to put it lightly, and so far its effectiveness in any of those roles has yet to be truly tested in combat. That last move especially is the A-10's specialty, and a big part of the reason the plane is so beloved by servicemen and women.

To embattled soldiers on the ground, the only sound more reassuring than an A-10's engine is the BRRRT of its massive front cannon providing you with cover fire. At least that's the prevailing lore you've probably already heard about this plane already.

The F-35 on the other hand, has established a reputation of being over budget and underperforming.

"My approach from a sustainment perspective is to approach this as if we're just going to continue to keep these airplanes operating." Pawlikowski continued in her  AviationWeek interview. "We will wait as the dust settles as far as what the strategy will be; that discussion continues to go on and I think it always will as we look at the fact that our demand signal for our airplanes continues to be high."

As it stands on paper, the A-10 fleet is apparently slated to start standing down in fiscal year 2018 and parked in boneyards by 2020. But Secretary Deborah Lee James has already told AviationWeek that the service is "considering keeping the jets in inventory longer than planned."

To that end the Air Force is said to be in the process of putting new wings on its fleet of A-10s under a $2 billion contract with Boeing that was written up in 2007 and supposed to keep the planes going to 2028.

It sounds like the next big hurdles for the A-10 are the Air Force's fiscal year 2018 budget and a defense policy bill that includes a provision to keep the A-10 active. Specifically, Arizona Republican Rep. Martha McSally wants to put one last barrier between the A-10 and retirement: a jet-vs-jet flyoff against the F-35.

We'll be there with popcorn.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-air-force-now-plans-to-keep-the-a-10-warthog-flying-1788309985
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/11/2016 | 07:31 uur
Fighter aircraft: Made in Asia?

http://ati.ms/GDkedm via @asiatimesonline
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zeewier op 01/11/2016 | 14:41 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/11/2016 | 07:31 uur
Fighter aircraft: Made in Asia?

http://ati.ms/GDkedm via @asiatimesonline
Ik zou eerst eens willen weten waar Zuid-Korea en Japan hun toegepaste stealth technologie vandaan halen, voordat ik hun tech demonstrators serieus neem.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/11/2016 | 07:59 uur
Meet Boeing's Latest Next-Gen Fighter Concept 

http://aviationweek.com/blog/meet-boeings-latest-next-gen-fighter-concept via @aviationweek
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/11/2016 | 08:10 uur
Air Force Scientific Advisory Board takes second look at Penetrating Counterair

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/air-force-scientific-advisory-board-takes-second-loo-431023/
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Bericht door: Harald op 02/11/2016 | 09:20 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/11/2016 | 07:59 uur
Meet Boeing's Latest Next-Gen Fighter Concept 

http://aviationweek.com/blog/meet-boeings-latest-next-gen-fighter-concept via @aviationweek

het nieuwe Boeing concept doet mij denken aan de F-117A zonder staart. Basisvorm enigszins gelijk, hoge positie van cockpit, motoren in een V vorm naar achteren. Eigenlijk een F-117A in een moderne jas met golvende vormen en niet hoekig meer.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 02/11/2016 | 13:59 uur
Het nieuwe boeing concept doet mij wel heel heel heel heel erg denken aan Horten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/11/2016 | 14:07 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 02/11/2016 | 13:59 uur
Het nieuwe boeing concept doet mij wel heel heel heel heel erg denken aan Horten.

Wat maar weer eens aangeeft hoe vooruitstrevend men was.
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Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 02/11/2016 | 14:19 uur
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Horten
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/11/2016 | 15:07 uur
J-20 Appears At Zhuhai Air Show

Bradley Perrett | Aerospace Daily & Defense Report | Nov 1, 2016

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Avic J-20 at Airshow China: Yan Siming/International Aviation

ZHUHAI, China—China presented the Avic J-20 fighter at an air show for the first time on Nov. 1, flying two prototypes at the Zhuhai exhibition.

One of the twin-engine aircraft performed aerobatics before the crowd for several minutes, presumably because program managers were unwilling to risk two prototypes maneuvering in close proximity.

This was not the first public appearance of the J-20, since Avic and the air force have openly flown it in the test program. Even the first flight in January 2011 was watched by a crowd.

The appearance of the aircraft immediately after the opening ceremony of the exhibition, Airshow China, provided strong material for nationalist news reporting.

Chengdu Aircraft, one of the two fighter manufacturers of defense specialist Avic Aviation Techniques, is developing the J-20, which the Pentagon expects to enter service as early as 2018.

Because changes have appeared in the design during flight testing, the fighter may not be mature at entry into service, says a senior combat aircraft engineer from another country who has been observing the program.

The J-20's primary missions are not confirmed, though its evidently large internal fuel volume provides a good clue. According to one theory, the type is intended to exploit its stealth and maybe an ability to cruise supersonically to penetrate hostile defenses and destroy valuable air targets in the rear, such as tankers.

Another possibility is that the Chinese have calculated that a large design with long endurance will provide more fighting power on station when combat arises, since aircraft will not need to retire so frequently for refueling.

The engines in the prototypes are probably United Engine Corp. (UEC) AL-31Fs.

http://aviationweek.com/zhuhai-2016/j-20-appears-zhuhai-air-show
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Bericht door: Harald op 02/11/2016 | 16:16 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/11/2016 | 14:07 uur
Wat maar weer eens aangeeft hoe vooruitstrevend men was.

Northrop heeft een replica gebouwd en getest op zijn "stealth" eigenschappen, idd de Duitsers waren vooruitstrevend. Veel ontwikkelingen zijn versneld door de vooruitstrevendheid en ontwerpen vanuit de Duitse oorlogsindustrie, zoals straalmotoren, raketontwerpen (Werner von Braun), onderzeebootontwerpen (type XXI) 


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Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/11/2016 | 07:21 uur
Pentagon Moves Forward — Unilaterally — on $6.1B Contract for Ninth F-35 Lot

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/pentagon-moves-forward-unilaterally-on-61b-contract-for-ninth-f-35-lot?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Defense%20Breaking%20News%2011-02-16&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Breaking%20News
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/11/2016 | 14:28 uur
416th FLTS tests missile for European ally's Joint Strike Fighter

By Kenji Thuloweit, 412th Test Wing Public Affairs / Published November 02, 2016

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A U.S. Air Force F-16 Fighting Falcon piloted by Maj. Jameel Janjua of the Royal Canadian Air Force carries a developmental test version of the Joint Strike Missile to its release point above the Utah Test and Training Range west of Salt Lake City, Utah. When development is complete, the Joint Strike Missile is intended for use aboard the F-35 Lighting II Joint Strike Fighter. Janjua is assigned to the 416th Flight Test Squadron based at Edwards as part of an officer exchange program. (U.S. Air Force photo by Christopher Okula)

EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE, Calif. --
From Norway to Australia, members from a number of allied and partner nations have come to Edwards to team with base units to test systems, enhance international cooperation and advance their own air forces' capabilities.

At the 416th Flight Test Squadron, a team of U.S. Air Force engineers and pilots are working with Norwegian government and industry personnel in testing the Joint Strike Missile. The JSM is designed to be carried in the F-35A's internal weapons bay and is the only powered, anti-surface warfare missile to do so according to Norwegian officials, said James Cook, 416th FLTS JSM program manager.

The JSM is an advanced missile made of composite materials and uses stealth technology. It has air intakes, fold-out wings and tail fins. The navigation system supports terrain-following flight and can be used against sea- and land-based targets.

Before it can be integrated with the F-35A, it is being tested on F-16 Fighting Falcons from the 416th FLTS. The F-16 provides an excellent platform to initially test the missile before it's transferred to the F-35 fifth-generation fighter, test managers say.

"What we're doing is conducting risk-mitigation testing with the F-16 before the JSM is integrated on the F-35," said Cook.

All tests are conducted over the Utah Test and Training Range.

"I think it's awesome to be a part of the next generational fighter while being in a legacy fighter combined test force. I'm excited to see the final outcome, which will be the culmination of all we've done here. To see it hit the target and explode the way it was planned to do," Cook said.

Along with Cook, the JSM team consists of test pilots Maj. John Trombetta and Maj. Jameel Janjua (Royal Canadian Air Force), flight test engineers Eric Biesen and Tom Smeeks and Collin Drake, project engineer.

The JSM program at the 416th is one project that falls under the squadron's European Participating Air Force Program, which Cook manages. The squadron conducts tests for European customers when requested.

http://www.edwards.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/993726/416th-flts-tests-missile-for-european-allys-joint-strike-fighter
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Bericht door: ridivek op 04/11/2016 | 20:52 uur
Het zal nog wel tot 2025 duren voordat de JSM onder de Nato crippling F-35 shooting target kunnen hangen. :devil:
Net als SDB-2, een beter alternatief zoals SPEAR3 mogen we niet integreren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/11/2016 | 21:09 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 04/11/2016 | 20:52 uur
een beter alternatief zoals SPEAR3 mogen we niet integreren.

Want? Waarom Nederland niet en het Verenigd Koninkrijk wel?

Het is wachten op de Block 4 software v.w.b. de JSM en Spear.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/11/2016 | 10:36 uur
Airshow China 2016: J-20 cameo generates more questions than answers

Reuben F Johnson, Zhuhai, China - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 04 November 2016

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A pair of Chinese J-20 'fifth-generation' fighters overflying this year's Airshow China exhibition in Zhuhai on 1 November. Source: AP/PA

The first public showing of the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) J-20 'fifth-generation' fighter was one of the most anticipated moments of the Airshow China 2016 exhibition, which took place from 1-6 November in Zhuhai, southern Guangdong Province.

However, those hoping to see a demonstration of the capabilities for which the aircraft has become famous through various Chinese online blogs and other open sources came away disappointed.

While two J-20s actually flew at the show during the opening ceremony, neither performed a complete flight routine. The two aircraft, which flew in from an aerodrome in the nearby city of Foshan, initially made a high-speed flyover that looked like the beginning of a two-aircraft demonstration flight.

However, after flying in front of the show's reviewing stand, one of the two aircraft pulled into a short vertical climb for an abbreviated set of manoeuvres and then turned away on to a flight track exiting the aerodrome's airspace.

This J-20 then pulled in behind the second aircraft, which had simply continued on a straight and level course away from the show site after conducting only one fly-by.

The sense of deflated enthusiasm was palpable among the crowd of onlookers as they waited for the aircraft to return, but they did not.

There are believed to be 10 J-20 prototypes, all of which seem to carry out different functions for the J-20 programme. Most recently one of the aircraft was seen conducting a series of tests at a site in Tibet to validate its performance in high and hot climatic conditions.

This has generated a number of questions as to why the aircraft made a rather timid cameo appearance at China's one and only national air show.

"Lack of experience with the aircraft and therefore concern about a mishap cannot be considered a valid reason," said a Russian aerospace executive at the show.

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Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/11/2016 | 18:44 uur
Myanmar Air Force confirms purchase of JF-17 «Thunder» fighter jets

http://defence-blog.com/news/myanmar-air-force-confirms-purchase-of-jf-17-thunder-fighter-jets.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/11/2016 | 19:42 uur
Indigenous Jet Tejas Gets First 'Big' Order: 83 Fighters To Be Bought For IAF via @swarajyamag

http://swarajyamag.com/insta/indigenous-jet-tejas-gets-first-big-order-83-fighters-to-be-bought-for-iaf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 07/11/2016 | 20:44 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 04/11/2016 | 21:09 uur
Want? Waarom Nederland niet en het Verenigd Koninkrijk wel?

Het is wachten op de Block 4 software v.w.b. de JSM en Spear.

Als het niet Amerikaans is zit de luchtmacht er eigenlijk niet op te wachten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/11/2016 | 21:06 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 07/11/2016 | 20:44 uur
Als het niet Amerikaans is zit de luchtmacht er eigenlijk niet op te wachten.

Maar dan is het een kwestie van niet willen in plaats van niet mogen.
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Bericht door: Harald op 08/11/2016 | 10:36 uur
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FMV selects Targo HMD system for Gripen E

The Swedish Air Force's Gripen E fleet will be equipped with the Targo helmet mounted display (HMD) system made by Brazilian company AEL Sistemas (AEL).
The same HMD system has also been selected by Brazil for its Gripen fighters.
Saab says delivery of the helmets will take place between 2022 and 2026.

http://alert5.com/2016/11/08/fmv-selects-targo-hmd-system-for-gripen-e/
http://saabgroup.com/media/news-press/news/2016-11/saab-receives-order-from-fmv-for-a-new-helmet-mounted-display-system/

( 1 van de eerste tegenorders voor Brazilie, voor hun keuze voor de Gripen E ...)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/11/2016 | 10:42 uur
New office tests light attack aircraft, other new technologies for future Air Force

The Air Force could soon begin testing light attack aircraft to see if they're a viable option for close-air support.

The work is being led by a new office at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, that was stood up to experiment with new technologies and strategies and to help keep the service on track with its 30-year plan.

The Air Force Strategic Development Planning and Experimentation Office was created after the force released its Strategic Master Plan to guide the service in organizing, training and equipping airmen. 

The office will conduct experiments that include live exercises and simulation, and it will help senior Air Force leaders decide which technologies to fund.

One of the first experiments the office is taking on is to test light attack planes.

"We're bringing in vendors that have light attack airplanes and flying them against a series of test objectives," said Jack Blackhurst, director of the office. 

The experiment is expected to run for about 135 days, and will help the service determine if light attack planes are a viable, low-cost option to supplement the A-10 Warthog. The Air Force has pushed back the retirement of the A-10s until at least 2022 following stiff opposition from Congress.

Lt. Gen. James M. "Mike" Holmes, the service's deputy chief of staff for strategic plans and requirements, has floated a number of close-air support options to Air Force leaders, including the flight demonstration of inexpensive, off-the-shelf tactical airplanes. Among the aircraft mentioned are turbo-propeller aircraft like Embraer's  A-29 Super Tucano and the Beechcraft's AT-6 Wolverine, Textron AirLand's Scorpion jet or a variant of the Alenia Aermacchi M-346. 

Holmes has stressed that a new light attack craft would supplement, not replace the A-10 Warthog fleet. But it would give combatant commanders a low-cost option for battling violent extremist groups in light of the high operations and maintenance costs associated with the A-10 and various fighter jets currently doing that job. 

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https://www.airforcetimes.com/articles/new-office-tests-light-attack-aircraft-other-new-technologies-for-future-air-force
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/11/2016 | 07:29 uur
Air Force wants next generation fighter to be operational by 2025-2029

http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/11/air-force-wants-next-generation-fighter.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/11/2016 | 09:52 uur
Why the "F-35 v F-16" article is garbage

https://sofrep.com/67461/f-35-v-f-16-article-garbage/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/11/2016 | 10:52 uur
'Rude Rams' Gear Up For F-35A's First Overseas Deployment

Lara Seligman | Aerospace Daily & Defense Report | Nov 15, 2016

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F-35A: Paul Weatherman

HILL AIR FORCE BASE, Utah—Fifteen years after the Pentagon awarded Lockheed Martin the initial contract to build the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the U.S. Air Force's first operational F-35A squadron is getting ready for its inaugural overseas deployment.

The "Rude Rams" 34th Fighter Sqdn. here is gearing up to participate in a so-called theater security package (TSP) next year, squadron commander Lt. Col. George Watkins tells Aviation Week. The Air Force has not yet settled on a location, but Air Combat Command is considering a range of options, including U.S. Air Forces Europe as well as Pacific Air Forces Command.

At a time when China and Russia are flexing their muscles in the Pacific and Eastern Europe, the F-35's presence abroad will signal the U.S. military's commitment to the security of U.S. allies. The TSP's aim is to support international treaties and train with U.S. allies, as well as demonstrate that the aircraft is capable of providing support to combatant commanders in theater, an ACC spokeswoman says.

Sending the fifth-generation fighter across the ocean will not only serve to demonstrate its capabilities to U.S. partners, but also to underscore the U.S. military's capability and willingness to retaliate against potential adversaries, top brass suggest. The Air Force will not be the first U.S. service to deploy its F-35s overseas: Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 121, the "Green Knights" based out of Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) Yuma, Arizona, flies to MCAS Iwakuni, Japan, in January.

"I think it's a powerful signal that we are sending our very best fighter aircraft to the Indo Asia Pacific first, before we deploy anywhere else, and it will showcase not only American technology but also American capability," said Adm. Harry Harris, commander of U.S. Pacific Commander, during a Nov. 15 event in Washington. "There is no other aircraft on the planet that can touch it, any adversary aircraft, nothing like that will be able to touch the F-35."

To prepare for the upcoming deployment, the pilots and maintainers of the 34th Fighter Sqdn. will continue honing their technical skills and processes, as well as train six brand-new pilots.

Meanwhile, the Rude Rams will soon take 12 F-35As to make their debut at the famous Red Flag training event at Nellis AFB, Nevada, an exercise that will prove the fledgling squadron's readiness for combat.

Already, airmen say the F-35A is a significant leap in capability from fourth-generation fighters, and many of its early technical problems seem to have been resolved. As recently as last spring, development test (DT) F-35As at Edwards AFB, California, were plagued by a glitch in the latest software load, called 3i, which causes the fighter's systems to shut down and have to be rebooted—both on the ground and even in mid-flight. But Capt. Richard Palz, officer in charge with the 388th Maintenance Squadron, says F-35 prime contractor Lockheed Martin was able to fix the issue, and the Hill aircraft fly largely glitch-free.

While DT pilots at Edwards were having trouble booting up their aircraft about once out of every three flights, Palz says the F-35s at Hill have been able to maintain an "abort rate" of less than 2%. This level of reliability is impressive, he says, particularly compared to legacy aircraft.

"I could tell you, my F-16 unit next door—that is not the case," Palz says.

Meanwhile, the "break rate" for the Hill F-35s—how often the aircraft breaks after a flight—is just 5%, compared to about 13% for the F-16s here, Palz notes.  The F-35 pilots rarely see shutdown events of the aircraft's mission systems during flight, and so far there have been no instances in which flights were diverted or aborted due to software glitches, he says.

One reason for the improvement is that Hill has Lockheed's most recent F-35 production build, low-rate initial production lots (LRIP) 7 and 8, while the aircraft at Edwards are from LRIP 4, an earlier F-35 build.

"It's almost a different version, so we have the most mature, vetted, capable, modified aircraft in the fleet, where your Eglin and Luke [AFBs] do not," Palz says. "I couldn't do half with those aircraft what I can do with these aircraft."

In this way, the airmen of the Air Force's first operational F-35 squadron are finally seeing the benefits of so-called "concurrency"—the often-criticized method of beginning production before completing design and testing. Now, the Rude Rams can use concurrency to their advantage: the pilots and maintainers report any problems to Lockheed technicians, who then incorporate the necessary modifications into the production line much earlier than contractors could during early fielding of legacy aircraft.

"So before we rip off 1,700-plus copies of this thing, we make sure we get it right, so we only have to go back and modify maybe 200 instead of having to go back and modify the whole fleet," Palz says.

Maintainers do continue to see issues with the Autonomic and Logistics Information System (ALIS), the F-35's internal logistics system. For instance, there are error messages when ordering spare parts, says Staff Sgt. Brandon Ewing, F-35 crew chief for the 34th Aircraft Maintenance Unit. But airmen expect to see fewer such challenges as the system matures, he says.

"There's an automation piece and a streamlining piece for maintenance that I think will be the true beauty of the system, and quite frankly we haven't gotten to some of those areas yet," says Col. Brad Lyons, 388th Fighter Wing commander. "Again, ALIS is doing what it needs to do. It's not broken, but the elegant pieces of it, the style points, are still slowly coming in."

As ALIS and maintenance processes evolve, airmen here expect the F-35 to be a logistics game changer. The fifth-generation fighter presents opportunities to fundamentally improve the way maintenance crews support aircraft squadrons, says Lt. Col. Steven Anderson, 388th Maintenance Group deputy commander.

"We took a fifth-generation platform and dropped it into a very fourth-generation operational construct, and we're taking the opportunity to go: 'what can a fifth-generation do in the way we're going to employ it, we're going to maintain it, we're going to support it, that is different from the way our fourth-generation structure is set up?'" he says. "Can we turn it between sorties a different way? Can we load it differently?"

The F-35's capabilities are also forcing airmen here to look differently at the way they traditionally conduct training. The Air Force's test ranges aren't large enough, and the simulated threats aren't realistic enough, to really test the limits of the fifth-generation aircraft, Watkins says.

During a recent exercise at Mountain Home AFB, Idaho, for instance, the F-35 pilots wanted to practice evading surface-to-air threats. But the mission proved too easy, because no one on the ground could track the aircraft, Watkins says. The pilots resorted to flipping on their transponders, used for FAA identification, so that simulated anti-air weapons could track their movements and actually present a challenge.

"It's such a leap in technology and a leap in capability that you can't treat it like a fourth-generation platform," Lyons says. "We need to go with a blank sheet of paper and develop the new tactics and techniques all the way down to, we've flown four ships since the end of time, is that the right answer?"

The Rude Rams will get the final 3F software configuration, which will give the F-35 final warfighting capability including the ability to load external weapons, sometime in late 2017, Anderson says. Ultimately, the 388th Fighter Wing will stand up three F-35A squadrons, a total of 78 F-35As, by the end of 2019.

http://aviationweek.com/defense/rude-rams-gear-f-35a-s-first-overseas-deployment
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/11/2016 | 10:39 uur
US approves USD31.2 billion of fighter sales to the Middle East

Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 18 November 2016

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Qatar has requested 72 of the latest variant Advanced Eagle, which features increased weapon stations, modern systems, and an AESA radar. Source: Boeing

The US State Department has cleared long-delayed fighter aircraft sales to the Middle East valued at USD31.2 billion.

Two notifications posted on the Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) website on 17 November announced the approval of 40 Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets for Kuwait and 72 Boeing F-15 Advanced Eagles for Qatar, valued at USD10.1 billion and USD21.1 billion respectively. Both sales were requested some years ago, but had reportedly been held up owing to concerns raised by Israel.

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Kuwait's request for 40 Super Hornets has been approved by the State Department and is now with Congress for final sign-off. (Lockheed Martin)

The Kuwaiti sale covers 32 single-seat F/A-18E and eight twin-seat F/A-18F aircraft, as well as 12 Lockheed Martin AN/AAQ-33 Sniper pods, 48 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS), and other equipment and support. Kuwait is the first customer to request an element of Boeing's International Roadmap upgrade for the Super Hornet, with the notification also listing eight conformal fuel tanks for four of its aircraft.

Once in service, the F/A-18E/Fs will initially augment the Kuwait Air Force's current 39 Boeing F/A-18C/D Hornets and the 28 yet-to-be delivered Eurofighter Typhoons, before eventually replacing the legacy Hornets.

The Qatari sale covers 72 F-15QA (Qatar Advanced) Eagles as well as weapons and related support equipment. Lead-in fighter training in the United States is also included. The Advanced Eagle is the latest variant of the Boeing-made fighter that has also been ordered by Saudi Arabia as the F-15SA. This variant improves on previous models in that it features two additional underwing weapons stations (increasing the number from nine to 11); the option of a large area display cockpit; fly-by-wire controls; and the Raytheon APG-63(V)3 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.

Along with 24 Dassault Rafales that were ordered in May 2015, in Qatar Emiri Air Force service the F-15QAs will replace the service's current 12 Dassault Mirage 2000-5 fighters.

The DSCA notifications represent the total number of fighters that the State Department has approved, and are not necessarily the number that each nation will procure (Qatar, for example, has already had a portion of its total 72-aircraft requirement satisfied with the Rafale).
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Kuwait, Qatar Deals Move Forward, Likely Putting Boeing Fighter Jet Production Into the 2020s (http://www.defensenews.com/articles/kuwait-qatar-fighter-jet-deals-move-forward-likely-putting-boeing-fighter-jet-production-into-the-2020s)

Extra specificaties staan in het topic over de Defense Security Cooperation Agency.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/11/2016 | 22:43 uur
Canada Plans to Buy 18 Super Hornets, Start Fighter Competition in 2017

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/canada-announces-plan-to-buy-18-super-hornets-start-fighter-competition-in-2017?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 23/11/2016 | 07:12 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 18/11/2016 | 10:39 uur
US approves USD31.2 billion of fighter sales to the Middle East

Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 18 November 2016

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Qatar has requested 72 of the latest variant Advanced Eagle, which features increased weapon stations, modern systems, and an AESA radar. Source: Boeing

The US State Department has cleared long-delayed fighter aircraft sales to the Middle East valued at USD31.2 billion.

Two notifications posted on the Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) website on 17 November announced the approval of 40 Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets for Kuwait and 72 Boeing F-15 Advanced Eagles for Qatar, valued at USD10.1 billion and USD21.1 billion respectively. Both sales were requested some years ago, but had reportedly been held up owing to concerns raised by Israel.

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Kuwait's request for 40 Super Hornets has been approved by the State Department and is now with Congress for final sign-off. (Lockheed Martin)

The Kuwaiti sale covers 32 single-seat F/A-18E and eight twin-seat F/A-18F aircraft, as well as 12 Lockheed Martin AN/AAQ-33 Sniper pods, 48 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS), and other equipment and support. Kuwait is the first customer to request an element of Boeing's International Roadmap upgrade for the Super Hornet, with the notification also listing eight conformal fuel tanks for four of its aircraft.

Once in service, the F/A-18E/Fs will initially augment the Kuwait Air Force's current 39 Boeing F/A-18C/D Hornets and the 28 yet-to-be delivered Eurofighter Typhoons, before eventually replacing the legacy Hornets.

The Qatari sale covers 72 F-15QA (Qatar Advanced) Eagles as well as weapons and related support equipment. Lead-in fighter training in the United States is also included. The Advanced Eagle is the latest variant of the Boeing-made fighter that has also been ordered by Saudi Arabia as the F-15SA. This variant improves on previous models in that it features two additional underwing weapons stations (increasing the number from nine to 11); the option of a large area display cockpit; fly-by-wire controls; and the Raytheon APG-63(V)3 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.

Along with 24 Dassault Rafales that were ordered in May 2015, in Qatar Emiri Air Force service the F-15QAs will replace the service's current 12 Dassault Mirage 2000-5 fighters.

The DSCA notifications represent the total number of fighters that the State Department has approved, and are not necessarily the number that each nation will procure (Qatar, for example, has already had a portion of its total 72-aircraft requirement satisfied with the Rafale).
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http://www.janes.com/article/65606/us-approves-usd31-2-billion-of-fighter-sales-to-the-middle-east

Kuwait, Qatar Deals Move Forward, Likely Putting Boeing Fighter Jet Production Into the 2020s (http://www.defensenews.com/articles/kuwait-qatar-fighter-jet-deals-move-forward-likely-putting-boeing-fighter-jet-production-into-the-2020s)

Extra specificaties staan in het topic over de Defense Security Cooperation Agency.
Tandjes, dat zijn nog eens aantallen. Mooi voor Boeing maar het is wel te hopen dat deze landen de komende tijd aan onze kant blijven staan.....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/11/2016 | 08:41 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/11/2016 | 22:43 uur
Canada Plans to Buy 18 Super Hornets, Start Fighter Competition in 2017

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/canada-announces-plan-to-buy-18-super-hornets-start-fighter-competition-in-2017?

Cabinet Could Decide Fighter Plan As Early As Tuesday (excerpt)

Industry sources expect the Liberal government to decide as early as Tuesday whether to purchase a new fighter jet without a competition.

Federal cabinet ministers are reportedly considering three options for replacing Canada's CF-18s, one of which they are expected to pick during their weekly closed-door meeting on Parliament Hill.

The options include
1) holding a competition,
2) buying a new warplane without a competition, or
3) purchasing an "interim" aircraft as a stop-gap measure until a future competition.

The government was eyeing the third option in the spring, with the intention of buying Boeing Super Hornets, until an outcry from industry and the opposition forced them back to the drawing board.

But while Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan held consultations with different industry players in the summer, industry sources say the interim option is back as the preferred choice.

Sajjan's office refused to comment on Monday, with a spokeswoman saying only that a decision still has not been made.

In the House of Commons, Conservative defence critic James Bezan called for an open competition to replace Canada's CF-18s.

Purchasing Super Hornets without a competition would "be foolishly putting billions of taxpayer money at risk," he said. (end of excerpt)

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/178927/canada-may-unveil-fighter-plans-today.html

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fighter-jet-purchase-coming-soon-1.3861487
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/11/2016 | 08:52 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/11/2016 | 22:43 uur
Canada Plans to Buy 18 Super Hornets, Start Fighter Competition in 2017

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/canada-announces-plan-to-buy-18-super-hornets-start-fighter-competition-in-2017?

Ik denk dat Canada gaat voor optie 3 in de "Interim" oplossing, misschien eerst een 1ste batch van 18 toestellen en later nog eens 18

Er is veel gezegd daar in Canada over de gehouden vervangings competitie voor hun CF-18's en ook omtrent het niet kopen van de F-35, voor mijn gevoel zullen ze een pas op de plaats maken en de definitieve keuze uitstellen en later een nieuwe competitie houden. In de tussentijd kunnen ze de ontwikkelingen van de F-35 goed volgen en later een uitontwikkeld, volwassen F-35 "van de plank" kopen.
Politiek gezien zou dat voor de huidige regering het beste uitkomen, zij houden zich dan aan de afspraak en lijden geen gezichtsverlies.   
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/11/2016 | 09:03 uur
Defence Minister Lays Out Fighter Jet Plan  
( ... dus eerst een aantal bestaande F-18's een End-live Update geven en in 2020 een competitie houden en een keuze maken, vervanging in 2025 - 2030 )   

Two and a half years after a referendum shot down plans to buy Gripen fighters, the Swiss defense ministry has launched another attempt to replace its F-5E Tiger and F-18C fighters, and plans to sign a contract by 2022.

Swiss Defence Minister Guy Parmelin has announced a fighter jet strategy that involves refurbishing current planes for half a billion francs and laying the groundwork for purchasing new ones by 2025.

Parmelin's strategy was based on a report prepared by a group of experts about possibilities for purchasing new planes. He told the press on Monday that rushing the process and procuring new jets more quickly, as several parliamentarians have argued for, would be "the worst" possible decision because "a serious approach" must be taken to avoid setbacks.

However, Parmelin did call on parliament to rapidly grant a CHF10 million ($9.8 million) loan for the evaluation and selection process of new planes. Cabinet's submission to parliament of the 2017 army budget at the beginning of next year will mark the official beginning of that process.

The scope of the evaluation of new planes remains to be determined, with the possibility of limiting it to three jets (Gripen, Eurofighter and Rafale models) or just one of those three.

In any case, Parmelin foresees choosing the new planes by 2020 and obtaining funding for the purchase by 2022. The jets should become operational between 2025 and 2030 under the defence minister's plan.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/178929/swiss-minister-lays-out-new-fighter-plans-as-expert-group-reports.html

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/new-planes_defence-minister-lays-out-fighter-jet-plan/42609992
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/11/2016 | 09:20 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 23/11/2016 | 08:52 uur
Ik denk dat Canada gaat voor optie 3 in de "Interim" oplossing, misschien eerst een 1ste batch van 18 toestellen en later nog eens 18


Het eindresultaat zag je van mijlen ver aankomen, de Aussie oplossing, een mixed fleet, de vraag die overblijft is wat de verhouding zal worden tussen F18E/F en F35A.

Vermoedelijk zal deze beslissing de BV NL wat pecunia gaan kosten immers elke gekochte Canadese SH gaat  in mindering gebracht worden op het totaal aantal.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 23/11/2016 | 09:53 uur
Wacht even... Qatar wil 72 (!!!!!!!!) F-15's kopen van de nieuwste versie die de VS aan hen zouden willen slijten? WTF!? 72!!!??  :omg: :confused: :confused:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/11/2016 | 09:57 uur
Citaat van: Mourning op 23/11/2016 | 09:53 uur
Wacht even... Qatar wil 72 (!!!!!!!!) F-15's kopen van de nieuwste versie die de VS aan hen zouden willen slijten? WTF!? 72!!!??  :omg: :confused: :confused:

Er zijn landen die wél geld uit willen geven... bedenk dat wij ooit een ordertje in 2 delen gaven voor 213 F16's.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/11/2016 | 09:57 uur
Citaat van: Mourning op 23/11/2016 | 09:53 uur
Wacht even... Qatar wil 72 (!!!!!!!!) F-15's kopen van de nieuwste versie die de VS aan hen zouden willen slijten? WTF!? 72!!!??  :omg: :confused: :confused:

Met alles erop en eraan is dit voor ongeveer 21,1 miljard USD van Qatar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/11/2016 | 10:01 uur
Defence Contractors Unleash Massive Lobbying Efforts to Secure Fighter Jet Deal

(Source: Finnish Broadcasting Corp., YLE; posted Nov 22, 2016)

International defence contractors have enlisted the help of PR firms, embassy personnel and ex-military and senior state officials in the run-up to the largest-ever defence investment in Finnish history. Finland is slated to replace its aging Hornet fight jet fleet by the year 2025.

Several manufacturers from different countries are already pouring money into campaigning, even though the final decision on the over 10-billion-euro deal won't be reached for another five years.

Finland's upcoming tender process to choose a new fleet of fighter jets to defend the country won't just pit the planes' manufacturers against each other, as it will also draw the PR firms and experts the vying contractors have hired into the fray.

Finnish communications agency Kaiku Helsinki has agreed to assist the Eurofighter jet manufacturer BAE Systems, while the global public relations firm Hill+Knowlton Strategies's Finland branch will lend a hand in F-35 fighter's US manufacturer Lockheed Martin's promotional work. Miltton, the communications agency with the highest turnover in Finland, has signed on to promote the makers of the Gripe NG jets, Sweden's Saab.

The PR firms will help the fighter jet manufacturers convince Finnish decision-makers of their aircrafts' superior features. The lobbying effort has already begun in earnest, as the teams have already approached MPs, defence administration members, the press and leaders in Finland's defence industry.

A chance to see things up close

For example, members of the parliamentary defence committee have been offered a chance to meet with the fighter jet manufacturers at air shows. At the Turku Air Show in the summer of 2015, politicians were invited to try out an F-35 fighter jet simulator.

Mark Parkinson, director of the BAE Systems Eurofighter campaign in Finland, says that BAE representatives have also already met with key persons from the political arena and the defence forces.

"We brought two Eurofighter jets to the Kuopio Air Show and a significant number of VIPs were on hand as our guests. We were able to tell them about the fighters' performance," he said.

The Hill+Knowlton employee expects each of the competitors to up the ante next year.

"Next year Finland will celebrate its centennial. This will provide excellent opportunities for us to meet with stakeholders and tell them about our products," Parkinson said.

Some MPs resist

Chair of Finland's parliamentary defence committee Ilkka Kanerva has decided only to meet with the defence contractor's lobbyists in the committee meeting rooms. He says he has been receiving invitations from the competing firms since last spring.

"I've received invitations to various air shows, but I've told them my calendar is full," he said.

Kanerva has also criticised the firms' targeting of dozens of military officers, even if the law in Finland permits such activity.

"Of course I would hope that the best of the best would be working for the public, and not private lobbying firms," the seasoned politician said.

Defence force readiness

Ex-Air Force Commander Lauri Puranen says the Finnish Defence Forces is powerless to prohibit officers from working in the private sector, but ventures to say that the officers in question are not out lobbying, but are instead used to provide important military expertise to the defence manufacturers.

The Finnish Broadcasting Company Yle has also learned of attempts by the lobbying teams to influence officers currently serving in the Finnish Defence Forces. For example, in a recent meeting of the Nordic Officer Alliance known as NOA, the Finnish representatives were seated next to officers that enthused about the excellence of their fighter fleets and weaponry. Discussions about jet technologies and performances at joint air exercises are also unavoidable.

Puranen admits that the phenomenon is not unknown to him, but says he has trained his officers to beware of attempts to influence their opinions during the tender process, and believes that they have taken his warnings to heart.

Shopping for Fighter Planes

(Source: Finnish Broadcasting Corp., YLE; posted Nov 22, 2016)

Helsingin Sanomat runs a feature story on Finland's search for replacements for its aging Hornet jet fighter fleet. Tuesday the Defence Ministry received the first round of material from the various defence contractors that are being considered.

The deal is predicted to cost a whopping 7 to 10 billion euros, with twice or even three times this amount to be spent on the new fleet throughout its life cycle.

The preliminary schedule for the acquisition of the fighter planes is as follows: complete the tender process in 2019, sign the contracts in 2021 and deliver the new fleet in 2025.

Requests for information were sent to the US, Swedish, French and UK defence departments, who forward the request to the respective contractors.

Manufacturers included in this first round of assessment include two US contractors: Lockheed Martin and Boeing, the Swedish Saab, French Dassault and the Eurofighter group, led by the UK, but also including Germany, Italy and Spain.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/178928/competitors-begin-lobbying-for-finnish-fighter-order.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/11/2016 | 10:05 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/11/2016 | 09:20 uur
Het eindresultaat zag je van mijlen ver aankomen, de Aussie oplossing, een mixed fleet, de vraag die overblijft is wat de verhouding zal worden tussen F18E/F en F35A.


Als Canada de toekomstige Australische verhouding aanhoudt, dan wordt het 75% F-35A (Australië - 72 x F-35A) en 25% F/A18-E/F (Australië 24 x EA-18G).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/11/2016 | 10:08 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/11/2016 | 09:20 uur
Het eindresultaat zag je van mijlen ver aankomen, de Aussie oplossing, een mixed fleet, de vraag die overblijft is wat de verhouding zal worden tussen F18E/F en F35A.

idd,

verdeling ? ... Canada heeft gesproken over 65 stuks F-35 totaal, dus met de Interim F-18E/F   2x 18 = 36 stuks, allemaal geleverd en in dienst voor 2020. 
Dan denk ik dat ze ook 36 stuks F-35 zullen bestellen in tijdsbestek rond 2022, levering tussen 2025 - 2030   
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 23/11/2016 | 11:02 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 23/11/2016 | 07:12 uur
Tandjes, dat zijn nog eens aantallen. Mooi voor Boeing maar het is wel te hopen dat deze landen de komende tijd aan onze kant blijven staan.....

Vraag je af of deze landen ooit aan 'onze' kant hebben gestaan. Het zijn meer opportune bondgenoten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/11/2016 | 11:05 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 23/11/2016 | 11:02 uur
Vraag je af of deze landen ooit aan 'onze' kant hebben gestaan. Het zijn meer opportune bondgenoten.

Dan is Qatar waarschijnlijk meer opportuun dan Koeweit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 23/11/2016 | 11:06 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/11/2016 | 09:57 uur
Er zijn landen die wél geld uit willen geven... bedenk dat wij ooit een ordertje in 2 delen gaven voor 213 F16's.

Dan nog ... we hebben het over friggin' Quatar! 2,5 miljoen mensen ... waarvan een GROOT deel niet eens staatsburgers zijn, maar gastarbeiders e.d...

72 van die toestellen is echt een belachelijk hoog aantal toestellen voor zo'n landje. Misschien zouden ze een deel daarvan dan beter stoppen in het verbeteren van de werkomstandigheden van de slaven ehhh... arbeiders uit lage lonenlanden ... derde wereldlanden die daar in overvloed rondlopen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/11/2016 | 12:08 uur
Citaat van: Mourning op 23/11/2016 | 11:06 uur
72 van die toestellen is echt een belachelijk hoog aantal toestellen voor zo'n landje. Misschien zouden ze een deel daarvan dan beter stoppen in het verbeteren van de werkomstandigheden van de slaven ehhh... arbeiders uit lage lonenlanden ... derde wereldlanden die daar in overvloed rondlopen?


Geld is het probleem niet.... je tikt een gat in de grond en klaar ben je.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 23/11/2016 | 12:18 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/11/2016 | 12:08 uur

Geld is het probleem niet.... je tikt een gat in de grond en klaar ben je.

Alleen jammer voor ze dat ALLES eindig is...  ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/11/2016 | 12:28 uur
Citaat van: Mourning op 23/11/2016 | 12:18 uur
Alleen jammer voor ze dat ALLES eindig is...  ;)

Waarna het, met alle gevolgen van dien, snel over is met de pret in die regio...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 23/11/2016 | 13:34 uur
Citaat van: Mourning op 23/11/2016 | 11:06 uur
Dan nog ... we hebben het over friggin' Quatar! 2,5 miljoen mensen ... waarvan een GROOT deel niet eens staatsburgers zijn, maar gastarbeiders e.d...

72 van die toestellen is echt een belachelijk hoog aantal toestellen voor zo'n landje. Misschien zouden ze een deel daarvan dan beter stoppen in het verbeteren van de werkomstandigheden van de slaven ehhh... arbeiders uit lage lonenlanden ... derde wereldlanden die daar in overvloed rondlopen?
Een land investeert eindelijk eens in een sterke en geloofwaardige krijgsmacht en dan komt er commentaar op vanuit dit forum? Daar heb ik toch wel wat moeite mee. Als een klein land als Nederland zou investeren in 250 straaljagers en 1000 tanks, zijn we dan ook belachelijk bezig? Of is 't dan opeen logisch omdat we één van de twintig rijkste landen ter wereld zijn met een realistische dreiging vanuit Rusland, Iran en China? Ik denk dat als je het grootste BBP per inwoner ter wereld hebt (zoals Qatar) in een onrustig deel van de wereld dat je alle redenen hebt om te willen investeren in een sterke krijgsmacht, geheel in lijn met wat iedereen op dit forum wilt voor Nederland. Commentaar geven op een ander land lijkt me dan een bijzonder irrationeel en lijkt me wat meer een reactie gebaseerd op zorgen, omdat ze zich wel eens tegen ons zouden kunnen keren. Jammer, maar juist meer argumenten voor ons land om ook te investeren als een malle.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/11/2016 | 13:51 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 23/11/2016 | 13:34 uur
Als een klein land als Nederland zou investeren in 250 straaljagers en 1000 tanks, zijn we dan ook belachelijk bezig?

Er is wel een verschil tussen klein en klein (lees  +/- 2,5 miljoen en 17 miljoen inwoners).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/11/2016 | 13:58 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/11/2016 | 13:51 uur
Er is wel een verschil tussen klein en klein (lees  +/- 2,5 miljoen en 17 miljoen inwoners).

Iets met vrijwel gratis geld en een "tikkeltje" instabiele omgeving.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 23/11/2016 | 14:03 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 23/11/2016 | 13:34 uur
Een land investeert eindelijk eens in een sterke en geloofwaardige krijgsmacht en dan komt er commentaar op vanuit dit forum? Daar heb ik toch wel wat moeite mee. Als een klein land als Nederland zou investeren in 250 straaljagers en 1000 tanks, zijn we dan ook belachelijk bezig? Of is 't dan opeen logisch omdat we één van de twintig rijkste landen ter wereld zijn met een realistische dreiging vanuit Rusland, Iran en China? Ik denk dat als je het grootste BBP per inwoner ter wereld hebt (zoals Qatar) in een onrustig deel van de wereld dat je alle redenen hebt om te willen investeren in een sterke krijgsmacht, geheel in lijn met wat iedereen op dit forum wilt voor Nederland. Commentaar geven op een ander land lijkt me dan een bijzonder irrationeel en lijkt me wat meer een reactie gebaseerd op zorgen, omdat ze zich wel eens tegen ons zouden kunnen keren. Jammer, maar juist meer argumenten voor ons land om ook te investeren als een malle.

Mwa.......hangt een beetje van je POV af. Als geen enkel land dat een sterke bondgenoot is van ons zou investeren in zijn krijgsmacht, kunnen wij de boel ook wel opdoeken, world peace achieved. Maar inderdaad, het zijn relatief rijke landen in een behoorlijk onstabiele regio. Vanuit hun POV niet heel  gek dat ze in hun krijgsmacht investeren. En dat is politiek. Industrieel is het natuurlijk stiekem wel prettig als een deel van hun oliegoud gewoon naar onze industrie stroomt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 23/11/2016 | 14:09 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/11/2016 | 13:51 uur
Er is wel een verschil tussen klein en klein (lees  +/- 2,5 miljoen en 17 miljoen inwoners).

0.04 % of 0.24 % van de wereldbevolking.....
Helemaal te vergelijken is het ook niet, alle parameters zijn zo'n beetje anders. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/11/2016 | 14:11 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/11/2016 | 13:58 uur
Iets met vrijwel gratis geld en een "tikkeltje" instabiele omgeving.

In het geval van Qatar spelen deze zaken inderdaad de hoofdrol. Echter was de luchtmacht van Qatar lange tijd klein en dan is een mogelijke order van 72 x F-15QA behoorlijk groot.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/11/2016 | 14:19 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 23/11/2016 | 14:09 uur
0.04 % of 0.24 % van de wereldbevolking.....
Helemaal te vergelijken is het ook niet, alle parameters zijn zo'n beetje anders.

Inderdaad niet helemaal te vergelijken, maar Nederland had wel het personeel om de door Lynxian benoemde aantallen jachtvliegen en tanks te bemannen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 23/11/2016 | 14:22 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 23/11/2016 | 13:34 uur
Een land investeert eindelijk eens in een sterke en geloofwaardige krijgsmacht en dan komt er commentaar op vanuit dit forum? Daar heb ik toch wel wat moeite mee. Als een klein land als Nederland zou investeren in 250 straaljagers en 1000 tanks, zijn we dan ook belachelijk bezig? Of is 't dan opeen logisch omdat we één van de twintig rijkste landen ter wereld zijn met een realistische dreiging vanuit Rusland, Iran en China? Ik denk dat als je het grootste BBP per inwoner ter wereld hebt (zoals Qatar) in een onrustig deel van de wereld dat je alle redenen hebt om te willen investeren in een sterke krijgsmacht, geheel in lijn met wat iedereen op dit forum wilt voor Nederland. Commentaar geven op een ander land lijkt me dan een bijzonder irrationeel en lijkt me wat meer een reactie gebaseerd op zorgen, omdat ze zich wel eens tegen ons zouden kunnen keren. Jammer, maar juist meer argumenten voor ons land om ook te investeren als een malle.

1. Pleit ik voor 250 straaljagers en 1000 tanks? Antwoord: Nee.
2. Dat ik pro-defensie ben en actief ben op dit forum betekend niet automatisch dat ik ook direct voor extreem grote/ongebreidelde defensieuitgaven ben. Dat geld voor Nederland en dat geld ook voor andere landen.
3. Leuk dat je even voor mij invult dat ik irrationeel denk en ik mijn reactie op zorgen uit omdat het een potentiele tegenstander van morgen zou kunnen zijn. Iets wat ik overigens absoluut niet denk, maar goed, wat maakt het uit, nietwaar?
4. De omgeving waarin Qatar verkeerd is inderdaad een onrustige, maar misschien hebben die landen aldaar dat voor een flink deel ook wel aan... zichzelf te danken? Juist door het nepotisme, de endemische corruptie, gebrek aan diverse vrijheden, de over het algemeen lage investeringen in onderwijs en ontplooiing van de bevolking, de fixatie op alles wat ''anders'' is als schuldig aan het spectrum van problemen waar de meeste landen aldaar mee kampen. En dan heb ik het nog niet eens over een aantal gevolgen en culturele issues waar veel van deze landen mee kampen...

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/11/2016 | 14:36 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/11/2016 | 14:11 uur
In het geval van Qatar spelen deze zaken inderdaad de hoofdrol. Echter was de luchtmacht van Qatar lange tijd klein en dan is een mogelijke order van 72 x F-15QA behoorlijk groot.

Ik geef ze geen ongelijk... grote broer SA is nu niet bepaald een bron van stabiliteit waarbij de interne machtspolitiek hooguit het topje van de ijsberg laat zien en Iran op het vinkentouw zit als het daar in de regio mis gaat.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/11/2016 | 17:10 uur
Het bericht van de Canadese overheid.

Canada announces plan to replace fighter jet fleet

Strategy will address capability gap

November 22, 2016 – Ottawa – The Government of Canada

A modern fighter jet fleet is essential for defending Canada and Canadian sovereignty – especially in our northern skies. It is a vital contribution to our partnership with our most important ally, the United States (U.S.), and for the protection of the continent that we share.

Today, the Government of Canada has announced that it will launch, within its current mandate, an open and transparent competition to replace the legacy fleet of CF-18 fighter aircraft. This competition will ensure that the Government gets the right aircraft for our women and men in uniform – at the right price – while maximizing economic benefits to Canadians.

In addition, Canada will immediately explore the acquisition of 18 new Super Hornet aircraft to supplement the CF-18s until the permanent replacement arrives. The Government will enter into discussions with the U.S. Government and Boeing regarding use of these jets for an interim period of time.

Before proceeding, the Government reserves the right to decide if they can provide the interim fleet at a cost, time, level of capability, and economic value that is acceptable to Canada.

Canada's current fleet is now more than 30 years old and is down from 138 aircraft to 77. As a result, the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) faces a capability gap. We have an obligation to NORAD to have a certain number of fighter jets mission-ready at all times, as well as an obligation to NATO. The number of mission-ready planes we can put in the air today is fewer than our NORAD and NATO obligations combined. The RCAF does a good job risk-managing that gap, and has been doing so for a number of years.  

Taken together, these measures will ensure that our women and men in uniform have the equipment and support they need to do the important job we ask of them every day.

Quotes

"Every Government has to decide the level of risk they are willing to accept to Canada, and our women and men in uniform. Having to manage our commitments to NORAD, NATO, and our ability to respond to unforeseen events is not a risk this Government is willing to accept. The interim fleet provides the most effective way forward to help ensure Canada remains a credible and dependable ally."

Defence Minister Harjit S. Sajjan

"As we promised, our Government will be conducting an open and transparent competition to replace the long-serving CF-18 jets. We will also begin discussions with Boeing for the purchase of an interim fleet to deal with the capability gap. This is about getting our women and men in uniform the equipment they need to do their jobs and protect Canadians in the most effective way possible while maximizing economic benefits for the middle class and those working hard to join it."

Public Services and Procurement Minister Judy Foote

"Today's announcement demonstrates how our Government is working to generate strong and sustained economic benefits for Canadian companies. The replacement of Canada's CF-18 fleet will help grow Canada's aerospace sector, create high-value jobs, and support Canadian innovation."

Innovation, Science and Economic Development Minister Navdeep Bains

"History and a future fraught with risk demands that the Canadian Armed Forces be ready and capable to respond to threats to Canada and North America, and support our allies and those in need. Our women and men in uniform are the guarantors of Canadian sovereignty, and protectors of Canadian values and interests abroad. I am delighted that our women and men in the RCAF are embarking on a journey that assures our defence for the long-term."

General Jonathan Vance, Chief of the Defence Staff

Quick Facts
. Over the summer of 2016, the Government consulted industry and governments in allied and partner countries to obtain up-to-date information on timelines, current capabilities, costing, and economic benefits associated with potential contender aircraft.
The competition will cover both the acquisition of and in-service support for the new fleet.
. Discussions with the U.S. Government and Boeing will determine if Boeing can provide the interim solution at a cost, time, and level of capability that are acceptable to Canada.
. Canada will continue participation in the Joint Strike Fighter Program until at least a contract award for the permanent fleet. This will allow Canada to maximize benefits of the partnership and gives Canada the option to buy the aircraft through the program, should the F-35 be successful in the competitive process for the permanent fleet.
. The CF-18 replacement offers a once-in-a-generation opportunity for the Canadian aerospace and defence industry. The Government will maximize economic benefits to create middle-class jobs and support innovation in Canada.

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?nid=1158669&tp=1
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 23/11/2016 | 18:17 uur
Benieuwd hoe lang dat dan weer gaat duren. De druk is hoog, in ieder geval duwen ze het niet enorm voor zich uit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 23/11/2016 | 23:12 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/11/2016 | 13:51 uur
Er is wel een verschil tussen klein en klein (lees  +/- 2,5 miljoen en 17 miljoen inwoners).
Lijkt me niks uitmaken; veiligheid is veiligheid, hoe groot, klein of kleiner je bevolking ook is.

Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/11/2016 | 14:19 uur
Inderdaad niet helemaal te vergelijken, maar Nederland had wel het personeel om de door Lynxian benoemde aantallen jachtvliegen en tanks te bemannen.
Ik denk dat voor Qatar dit ook niet zo'n probleem is, ze hebben immers dienstplicht. Ik snap dat de pool mannen een stuk kleiner is dan in Nederland, maar op een populatie van een miljoen verwacht ik toch wel dat ze 72 tot 142 piloten weten te vinden. Hetzelfde geldt voor ondersteunend personeel.

Citaat van: Mourning op 23/11/2016 | 14:22 uur
1. Pleit ik voor 250 straaljagers en 1000 tanks? Antwoord: Nee.
2. Dat ik pro-defensie ben en actief ben op dit forum betekend niet automatisch dat ik ook direct voor extreem grote/ongebreidelde defensieuitgaven ben. Dat geld voor Nederland en dat geld ook voor andere landen.
3. Leuk dat je even voor mij invult dat ik irrationeel denk en ik mijn reactie op zorgen uit omdat het een potentiele tegenstander van morgen zou kunnen zijn. Iets wat ik overigens absoluut niet denk, maar goed, wat maakt het uit, nietwaar?
4. De omgeving waarin Qatar verkeerd is inderdaad een onrustige, maar misschien hebben die landen aldaar dat voor een flink deel ook wel aan... zichzelf te danken? Juist door het nepotisme, de endemische corruptie, gebrek aan diverse vrijheden, de over het algemeen lage investeringen in onderwijs en ontplooiing van de bevolking, de fixatie op alles wat ''anders'' is als schuldig aan het spectrum van problemen waar de meeste landen aldaar mee kampen. En dan heb ik het nog niet eens over een aantal gevolgen en culturele issues waar veel van deze landen mee kampen...
Met de 250 straaljagers en 1000 tanks maakte ik een verwijzing naar onze aantallen tijdens de Koude Oorlog. Toen vonden we dat een heel redelijk getal ten opzichte waarmee we werden bedreigd. Mijn punt was dus de vergelijking dat 72 straaljagers voor zo'n klein land ook niet zo'n gek idee is, vooral gezien de onstabiele regio waar ze zich in bevinden. Ook vindt ik het bedrag voor 72 F-15 straaljagers, naar hedendaagse maatstaven, realistisch. Niet leuk, maar realistisch. Ook wij zullen, bij een geloofwaardige luchtmacht, een dergelijk bedrag moeten neerleggen. Ik ageer dus ook zeker tegen de tedens om duur materieel maar niet aan te schaffen omdat het zo duur is, in plaats van te kijken of het nodig is om alle dreigingen het hoofd te bieden en tegenstanders af te schrikken. En inderdaad, dit heb jij nooit gezegd, maar 25 jaar aan defensiesaneringen hebben mij wat paranoïde gemaakt, dus ik dacht een dergelijk argument te proeven.

En ja, het is een gebied van de wereld waar, in onze Westerse ogen, veel mis is en waar veel landen inderdaad bijdragen aan hun eigen onveiligheid. Dat neemt niet weg dat het een volstrekt logisch wens is om een sterke luchtmacht te hebben om jezelf mee te beschermen. Wederom lijkt het formaat van het land of de omvang van haar populatie mij volstrekt irrelevant om te bepalen of het aantal straaljagers belachelijk is. Veiligheid telt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 24/11/2016 | 10:05 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 23/11/2016 | 23:12 uur
Wederom lijkt het formaat van het land of de omvang van haar populatie mij volstrekt irrelevant om te bepalen of het aantal straaljagers belachelijk is. Veiligheid telt.

Dreiging is een van de parameters. Omvang van de economie, totale risico, bevolkingsomvang, economische verwachting, gebied etc zijn evengoed belangrijke parameters die een rol spelen bij het bepalen van de gewenste omvang en taakstelling van de fighter fleet.

De Iraanse luchtmacht is bijvoorbeeld helemaal geen speler van betekenis, terwijl de Saudi's dermate groot zijn  dat daar niet regulier tegen is op te kopen.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 24/11/2016 | 10:05 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 23/11/2016 | 23:12 uur
Met de 250 straaljagers en 1000 tanks maakte ik een verwijzing naar onze aantallen tijdens de Koude Oorlog. Toen vonden we dat een heel redelijk getal ten opzichte waarmee we werden bedreigd. Mijn punt was dus de vergelijking dat 72 straaljagers voor zo'n klein land ook niet zo'n gek idee is, vooral gezien de onstabiele regio waar ze zich in bevinden. Ook vindt ik het bedrag voor 72 F-15 straaljagers, naar hedendaagse maatstaven, realistisch. Niet leuk, maar realistisch. Ook wij zullen, bij een geloofwaardige luchtmacht, een dergelijk bedrag moeten neerleggen. Ik ageer dus ook zeker tegen de tedens om duur materieel maar niet aan te schaffen omdat het zo duur is, in plaats van te kijken of het nodig is om alle dreigingen het hoofd te bieden en tegenstanders af te schrikken. En inderdaad, dit heb jij nooit gezegd, maar 25 jaar aan defensiesaneringen hebben mij wat paranoïde gemaakt, dus ik dacht een dergelijk argument te proeven.

En ja, het is een gebied van de wereld waar, in onze Westerse ogen, veel mis is en waar veel landen inderdaad bijdragen aan hun eigen onveiligheid. Dat neemt niet weg dat het een volstrekt logisch wens is om een sterke luchtmacht te hebben om jezelf mee te beschermen. Wederom lijkt het formaat van het land of de omvang van haar populatie mij volstrekt irrelevant om te bepalen of het aantal straaljagers belachelijk is. Veiligheid telt.

Ik snapte dat je naar ons Koude Oorlog 'arsenaal' keek, maar laten we reel zijn en ook gewoon toegeven dat met eenzelfde dreiging nu als destijds we niet dezelfde kwantiteit op de mat kunnen brengen, tenzij we offers brengen op het vlak van kwaliteit (hetgeen we zeker niet zullen doen), ook niet met een defensiebudget met dezelfde omvang als destijds. Materiaal is veel duurder en ingewikkelder geworden. Je hoeft alleen maar naar de jachtbommenwerpers en de persoonlijke uitrusting van de moderne infaterist te kijken (nu en naar wat gepland is), zowel toen als nu.

Voorts zul je altijd de afweging tussen budget/geld enerzijds en kwantiteit en kwaliteit anderzijds moeten maken, omdat de gelden nu eenmaal niet oneindig zijn (I know... duh!) en er diverse keuzes gemaakt dienen te worden van overheidswege en er vele wensen zijn en het economisch tij ook tegen kan zitten (wederom... duh!). Dat Defensie een hogere prioriteit en DUS meer budget dient te verkrijgen lijkt me ook evident. de vraag is: wat is er benodigd om een ''geloofwaardige'' krijgsmacht te krijgen? En voor een land als Qatar denk ik dat 72 F15's echt wel meer is dan men nodigt heeft om de eigen veiligheid geloofwaardig te kunnen verdediging geloofwaardig uit te kunnen voeren, maar goed. Let's agree to disagree  ;)


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/11/2016 | 10:09 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 24/11/2016 | 10:05 uur
De Iraanse luchtmacht is bijvoorbeeld helemaal geen speler van betekenis, terwijl de Saudi's dermate groot zijn  dat daar niet regulier tegen is op te kopen.

Nog niet.... ze hebben een interessant wensenlijstje in Moscow neergelegd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 24/11/2016 | 10:28 uur
Citaat van: Mourning op 24/11/2016 | 10:05 uur
En voor een land als Qatar denk ik dat 72 F15's echt wel meer is dan men nodigt heeft om de eigen veiligheid geloofwaardig te kunnen verdediging geloofwaardig uit te kunnen voeren, maar goed. Let's agree to disagree  ;)

Aan de andere kant is 72 ook weer niet heel veel. Er is een bepaald minimum te berekenen, een soort kritische massa waar je boven moet blijven voor bepaalde missies. Bedenk dat deze landen doorgaans ook niet mega efficient zijn in de inzet, dwz, de sortie generatie zal een stuk lager liggen dan bij bijvoorbeeld Israel of Singapore. Ik heb er totaal geen beeld bij, maar kan me voorstellen deze 72 niet eens het dubbele is van deze 'kritische massa'.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 24/11/2016 | 10:37 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 24/11/2016 | 10:28 uur
Aan de andere kant is 72 ook weer niet heel veel. Er is een bepaald minimum te berekenen, een soort kritische massa waar je boven moet blijven voor bepaalde missies. Bedenk dat deze landen doorgaans ook niet mega efficient zijn in de inzet, dwz, de sortie generatie zal een stuk lager liggen dan bij bijvoorbeeld Israel of Singapore. Ik heb er totaal geen beeld bij, maar kan me voorstellen deze 72 niet eens het dubbele is van deze 'kritische massa'.

Kijk ook naar het type toestel. We hebben het niet over een F-5 of een F-16, maar over een zwaar, tweemotorig jachtvliegtuig met de nieuwste middelen erop en eraan en ongetwijfeld enorme voorraden die erbij komen op het vlak van reserveonderdelen en wapens.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/11/2016 | 10:38 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 24/11/2016 | 10:28 uur
Aan de andere kant is 72 ook weer niet heel veel.

De kwantiteit van 72 stuks is niet veel. Als je echter kijkt naar de omvang van de luchtmacht van Qatar, dan is het voor hun wel veel.

Ook voor Nederland was het indertijd veel geld om een jachtvliegtuigtype uit de F-15 klasse te kunnen kopen. Men hield het niet voor niets bij de F-16A/B.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 24/11/2016 | 10:43 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/11/2016 | 10:09 uur
Nog niet.... ze hebben een interessant wensenlijstje in Moscow neergelegd.
Klopt, maar dat hebben ze al verschillende keren gedaan en toen werden de wensen niet ingewilligd.
Het zou gaan om de Su-30SM.
Ik "vermoed" dat het deze keer wel in orde komt, temeer - daar de Russen
- wel al S-300 SAM-systemen verkocht hebben.
- en ze nu een luchtmachtbasis in Iran gebruiken voor acties in Syrie. Ik veronderstel dat de Iraniers dat niet "gratis" laten gebeuren...

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 24/11/2016 | 11:20 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/11/2016 | 10:09 uur
Nog niet.... ze hebben een interessant wensenlijstje in Moscow neergelegd.

Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 24/11/2016 | 10:43 uur
Klopt, maar dat hebben ze al verschillende keren gedaan en toen werden de wensen niet ingewilligd.
Het zou gaan om de Su-30SM.
Ik "vermoed" dat het deze keer wel in orde komt, temeer - daar de Russen
- wel al S-300 SAM-systemen verkocht hebben.
- en ze nu een luchtmachtbasis in Iran gebruiken voor acties in Syrie. Ik veronderstel dat de Iraniers dat niet "gratis" laten gebeuren...

Zelfs dan, hoeveel kunnen het er nou helemaal worden? Misschien dat er enkele tientallen komen, maar dat is natuurlijk nog eigenlijk niks.
Daarnaast maken de vliegers te toestellen, en waar Landen als Koeweit hun opleiding(methoden) gewoon in het westen kopen, heeft Iran daar veel minder toegang toe.

Regionaal kunnen ze op een aantal vlakken leuk meedoen,  maar qua luchtmacht en helemaal A2A kunnen ze wel inpakken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/11/2016 | 11:31 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 24/11/2016 | 11:20 uur
Zelfs dan, hoeveel kunnen het er nou helemaal worden? Misschien dat er enkele tientallen komen, maar dat is natuurlijk nog eigenlijk niks.
Daarnaast maken de vliegers te toestellen, en waar Landen als Koeweit hun opleiding(methoden) gewoon in het westen kopen, heeft Iran daar veel minder toegang toe.

Regionaal kunnen ze op een aantal vlakken leuk meedoen,  maar qua luchtmacht en helemaal A2A kunnen ze wel inpakken.

Dat geldt zeker  voor dit moment....

Hoe de wereld van 2030+ er in die regio uitziet is nog een groot vraagteken. Ik begrijp dat er buitengewoon veel Iraanse belangstelling is voor het groeipad van de PAK-FA/T-50.

Aangezien ook voor dit land geldt: men tikt een gat in de grond en het geld is (nog) vrijwel gratis.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 24/11/2016 | 11:38 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/11/2016 | 11:31 uur
Dat geldt zeker  voor dit moment....

Hoe de wereld van 2030+ er in die regio uitziet is nog een groot vraagteken. Ik begrijp dat er buitengewoon veel Iraanse belangstelling is voor het groeipad van de PAK-FA/T-50.

Aangezien ook voor dit land geldt: men tikt een gat in de grond en het geld is (nog) vrijwel gratis.

Niet overdrijven. Met oliedollars kun je een land als Iran niet draaiend houden. Dat lukt wel in landen als Qatar, met een kleine bevolking en een apartheidsysteem, maar landen als Iran, Venezuela, Maleisië en Rusland kunnen er niet op draaien. Als ze het geld slim investeren kunnen ze wel wat opbouwen. Maar waar Noorwegen dat heel bewust wel doet, zie je dat in deze landen veelal misgaan. En nee, straaljagers zijn geen goede of duurzame investeringen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 24/11/2016 | 12:20 uur
Saab responds to Finnish fighter RfI, sees wider prospects for Gripen

Saab has responded to Finland's request for information (RfI) on a new fighter as part of a reinvigorated sales drive for its Gripen combat aircraft.

Speaking to IHS Jane's on 23 November, the head of the Gripen programme, Jerker Ahlqvist, said that the response to the Finnish RfI had been sent the day prior, and that the company has identified a series of further near-term opportunities for both its current Gripen C/D and future E/F-variant platforms.

"We responded to Finland's RfI, which actually was more like a request for proposals [RfP], yesterday, and we will now wait for their response," Ahlqvist said, adding that the company is pitching the E/F model aircraft for this particular requirement. Finland formally launched its HX project to replace the air force's 55 F/A-18C and seven F/A-18D Hornets in October 2015, with RfIs being issued to BAE Systems for the Eurofighter Typhoon; to Boeing for the F/A-18 Hornet and F-15 Eagle; to Dassault for the Rafale; to Lockheed Martin for the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) and F-16 Fighting Falcon; and to Saab for the Gripen. A formal RfP is due in the first quarter of 2018, with a contract award following in 2021.

In terms of further near-term opportunities, Ahlqvist said that in Europe leasing discussions with Slovakia for the C/D are entering into their final phase, while Belgium (E/F), Bulgaria (C/D), and Croatia (C/D) are all expected to issue RfPs in the next six months. Switzerland (E/F) remains a target market despite a previous agreement having been rejected in a referendum in May 2014, he added, noting that, "We didn't lose in Switzerland, we just didn't win."

In Africa, Ahlqvist said that Botswana (C/D) is in early discussions with the Swedish government, and that progress has been "positive". In Asia, Saab has responded to an Indonesian (C/D) request, and to India (E/F) also.

http://www.janes.com/article/65721/saab-responds-to-finnish-fighter-rfi-sees-wider-prospects-for-gripen
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/11/2016 | 12:28 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 24/11/2016 | 11:38 uur
Niet overdrijven. Met oliedollars kun je een land als Iran niet draaiend houden. Dat lukt wel in landen als Qatar, met een kleine bevolking en een apartheidsysteem, maar landen als Iran, Venezuela, Maleisië en Rusland kunnen er niet op draaien. Als ze het geld slim investeren kunnen ze wel wat opbouwen. Maar waar Noorwegen dat heel bewust wel doet, zie je dat in deze landen veelal misgaan. En nee, straaljagers zijn geen goede of duurzame investeringen.

Zeker... al heb ik nog niet direct het idee dat Iran deze visie deelt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/11/2016 | 12:48 uur
Gripen E flight slips into 2017 as Saab puts software first

BY: Craig Hoyle | London | 24 November, 2016

Saab has opted to delay the first flight schedule for its Gripen E by up to six months to meet self-imposed software qualification requirements, but says the fighter remains on schedule for delivery to the Swedish and Brazilian air forces from 2019.

Speaking in London on 23 November – six months after the roll-out of its first Gripen E test aircraft, 39-8, Saab Aeronautics' head of operations, Lars Ydreskog, revealed: "The first flight window will be in quarter two of 2017." The company had previously expected to fly the new model before the end of this year.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=68972)
Saab

Ydreskog says Saab has chosen to fully qualify its distributed integrated modular avionics (DIMA) design to commercial standards prior to first flight, with the activity to be validated by Sweden's Flygi military aviation authority.

"This is not a customer or authority requirement – it is a business decision we have taken. We are confident it will benefit our customers with a stable and robust fighter from day one," Ydreskog says. "We will gain by doing it early – it will take away any question marks of the stability and robustness of the software and the systems." Some 98% of the qualified software will be reusable, he adds.

Likened to a smartphone app, DIMA will enable Saab to swiftly develop and integrate new functions on the Gripen E without touching the jet's flight critical software. The company has already proven that it can develop software, test it in the simulator and fly it the next day, says Ydreskog. More than 500h of rig testing and flights using Saab's 39-7 Gripen demonstrator have beaten expectations for stability, he adds.

Saab achieved the power-on milestone with aircraft 39-8 on 27 August and performed its first GE Aviation F414 engine ground runs in late October. There have been "almost no faults found", and high-speed taxi testing is poised to occur at its Linköping site in Sweden "very soon", Ydreskog says.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=68973)
Saab

"Gripen E is on track for first customer delivery in 2019 and to achieve initial operational capability with the required functionality," Ydreskog says. The programme's three other Gripen E test aircraft are already in the final stages of manufacturing, including one for Brazil.

Meanwhile, Saab and Embraer on 22 November opened a Gripen design and development network facility at the latter's Gavião Peixoto site. Around 20 of the 100 Embraer engineers to have received training in Linköping so far recently returned to Brazil, and the new facility is "full of activity", says Saab Aeronautics' head of Gripen, Jerker Ahlqvist.

To be used during the development of the Gripen E for the Brazilian air force – including new weapons integration and the completion of a two-seat F-model – the facility is "evidence that we are fulfilling our commitment when it comes to industrial collaboration", says Ahlqvist. "It also gives us an extended development capability. We are now able to conduct parallel development on two sides of the world."

Embraer would also be involved in delivering the Gripen E/F to Colombia if the type is selected to meet Bogotá's future fighter needs, Saab confirms. Its current orderbook for the type stands at 60 single-seat examples for Sweden and 36 for Brazil.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/gripen-e-flight-slips-into-2017-as-saab-puts-softwar-431790/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 24/11/2016 | 13:58 uur
Hey, waar zijn alle (negatieve) nieuwsberichten en commentaren op het nieuws van deze vertraging?  :cute-smile:  :devil: :devil: :devil:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/11/2016 | 14:48 uur
Citaat van: Mourning op 24/11/2016 | 13:58 uur
Hey, waar zijn alle (negatieve) nieuwsberichten en commentaren op het nieuws van deze vertraging?  :cute-smile:  :devil: :devil: :devil:

Geen eer te behalen aan een programma afzeiken wat geen honderden miljarden dollars/euro's  kost en waar slechts enkele tientallen, met veel geluk een paar honderd, eenheden van worden gebouwd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 24/11/2016 | 14:49 uur
Citaat van: Mourning op 24/11/2016 | 13:58 uur
Hey, waar zijn alle (negatieve) nieuwsberichten en commentaren op het nieuws van deze vertraging?  :cute-smile:  :devil: :devil: :devil:

Is geen vertraging he, is een verandering van volgorde 😁.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/11/2016 | 15:00 uur
The Finnish Defence Forces' Logistics Command Received Responses Concerning the Replacement of the Hornet Aircraft

(Source: Finland Ministry of Defence; issued Nov 22, 2016)

The Finnish Defence Forces' Logistics Command received today responses to the Requests for Information regarding the replacement of Hornet aircraft.

The following manufacturers responded: Boeing (F/A-18), Dassault Aviation (Rafale), BAE Systems (Eurofighter Typhoon), Lockheed Martin (F-35) and Saab (JAS Gripen). Covering thousands of pages in English, the responses contain classified information.

When experts within the Defence Administration have analysed the responses in the course of the coming winter, the Defence Forces will give more information about them in April 2017.

The Finnish Defence Forces' Logistics Command sent Requests for Information (RFI) regarding the replacement of Hornet aircraft to the governments of Great Britain, France, Sweden and the United States. These governments were requested to further send the RFIs to their respective industries which manufacture multi-role fighters.

A Request for Information precedes the actual procurement. One of the key goals of an RFI is to ensure that different candidates have the possibility and willingness to take part in Finland's HX fighter project, and to specify alternative concepts, obtain information on systems and define the preliminary need for financing.

Through an RFI it is possible to bring together visions as to what kind of solutions the recipients of the RFIs offer to replace the capabilities of the Air Force F/A-18 aircraft in the post-2030 security environment. An RFI is also a way to collect information on multi-role fighters which is used for detailed planning and budgeting of procurement and for elaborating on the requirements set on the multi-role fighter.

In the RFIs, budget estimates were asked about the costs of procuring, using and maintaining the systems and their calculation methods. In addition to the actual aircraft, the systems which are reviewed include weapons, training equipment, C2 systems and maintenance arrangements. Manufacturers could also present solutions which include several types of aircraft or unmanned aerial vehicles contributing to the capabilities of multi-role fighters.

The RFIs were sent to defence administrations in countries that manufacture the kind of multi-role fighters and related systems which could meet Finland's requirements to replace the capabilities of the Hornet aircraft. An RFI contains detailed information on the operational principles of air defence and the desired future capabilities. A majority of the information provided and of the responses received are classified.

On 19.11.2015, the Defence Forces got a mandate from Defence Minister Jussi Niinistö to start the HX fighter project. The aim of the project is to replace the operational capability of the Air Force F/A-18 aircraft which will be phased out as of 2025. The decision on starting the project is based on the Government programme.

The Commander of the Air Force is the project owner. The Finnish Defence Forces' Logistics Command is responsible for the technical and commercial preparation of the project while the Ministry of Defence is in charge of providing materiel policy guidance. A call for tender will be sent in spring 2018 and the procurement decision will be made in 2021.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/178993/finland-mod-updates-fighter-replacement-plans.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/11/2016 | 15:02 uur
Another T-50 Fighter's Flying Prototype Takes to the Sky

(Source: TASS-Defense; published Nov 22, 2016)

MOSCOW --- Another flying prototype of Russian fifth-generation fighter T-50 (also known as PAKFA - Russian for future tactical aircraft) flew for the first time in Komsomolsk-on-Amur on November 17, according to Internet sources saying the aircraft's index is T-50-8.

Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov had said previously that the ninth T-50 prototype was about to start its tests. In all probability, he meant T-50-8, because the aircraft, designated as T-50-5 and damaged in flight in June 2014, was rebuilt using some of the components of the sixth PAKFA prototype (T-50-6) and re-designated as T-50-5R.

In addition, according to open sources, the first start of 'Product 30', better known as the PAKFA's 'second-phase engine', took place early in November 2016. Yevgeny Marchukov, general designer/director of the Lyulka Design Bureau (an affiliate of UMPO), told its team in a greeting message.

"I congratulate the personnel of the corporation on the first start of Product 30," he said in the telegram.

As was reported in the press, the PAKFA's second-phase engine will be 17% more efficient than the first-phase engine (Product 117) currently used for testing the T-50. The latest engine will feature lower specific fuel consumption and a reduced infrared signature compared to Product 117.

UEC Conducts First Start of Advanced Engine for PAKFA

(Source: TASS-Defense; published Nov 24, 2016)

MOSCOW --- The United Engine Corporation (UEC, a subsidiary of Rostec) has conducted the first start of the advanced engine (Product 30) designed to power the T-50 (PAKFA - Russian acronym for Future Tactical Aircraft), the corporation's press office says in a news release.

"The test start has been a success. The engine demonstrator was started at the Lytkarino Machinebuilding Plant," the release says.

The engine is under development by the Lyulka Design Bureau under the supervision of General Designer Yevgeny Marchukov dual-hatted as director, UEC explained.

According to the corporation's director general, Alexander Artyukhov, "advanced design solutions unrivalled in Russia's engine-making industry have been used" to manufacture the demonstrator.

In addition to the technology demonstrator, several core engines of the sophisticated engine have been made for bench tests.

As was reported in the press, the advanced engine will start powering Russian fifth-generation fighter T-50 (PAKFA) on its sorties in the fourth quarter of 2017. The PAKFA's maiden flight took place in 2010. The fighter is due to enter service in 2017. For the time being, the prototypes are equipped with the so-called 'first-phase' engines (Product 117).

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/178985/russia-flies-ninth-t_50-fighter%2C-tests-new-engine.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/11/2016 | 18:22 uur
China is testing a new long-range, air-to-air missile that could thwart U.S. plans for air warfare | Popular Science

http://po.st/ZRx4Hc via @PopSci
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/11/2016 | 18:52 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/11/2016 | 18:22 uur
China is testing a new long-range, air-to-air missile that could thwart U.S. plans for air warfare | Popular Science

http://po.st/ZRx4Hc via @PopSci

Deze Chinese VLRAAM is behoorlijk lang met meer dan 5 meter. De oude AIM-54 Phoenix vond ik al groot.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/11/2016 | 19:06 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 24/11/2016 | 18:52 uur
Deze Chinese VLRAAM is behoorlijk lang met meer dan 5 meter. De oude AIM-54 Phoenix vond ik al groot.

Speciaal voor de J-20 als AWACS en Tanker killer?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/11/2016 | 19:08 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/11/2016 | 19:06 uur
Speciaal voor de J-20 als AWACS en Tanker killer?

Wat ik uit het artikel begrijp, vliegen J-11 en J-16 met deze raketten als ondersteuning van de J-20.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/11/2016 | 19:13 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 24/11/2016 | 19:08 uur
Wat ik uit het artikel begrijp, vliegen J-11 en J-16 met deze raketten als ondersteuning van de J-20.

Als het genoemde bereik correct is en dan ook nog nauwkeurig en betrouwbaar dan is er weer een uitdaging gecreëerd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/11/2016 | 19:28 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/11/2016 | 19:13 uur
Als het genoemde bereik correct is en dan ook nog nauwkeurig en betrouwbaar dan is er weer een uitdaging gecreëerd.

Dat sowieso. Dit soort raketten kunnen westerse jachtvliegtuigen alleen extern dragen en de grootte beperkt het aantal ophangpunten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/11/2016 | 20:12 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 24/11/2016 | 19:28 uur
Dat sowieso. Dit soort raketten kunnen westerse jachtvliegtuigen alleen extern dragen en de grootte beperkt het aantal ophangpunten.

Waarbij het missile-truck concept meer en meer actueel wordt. (B1/B52/B2/B21)

Voor Europa: een aantal A330 verbouwen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 25/11/2016 | 12:50 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 24/11/2016 | 19:28 uur
Dat sowieso. Dit soort raketten kunnen westerse jachtvliegtuigen alleen extern dragen en de grootte beperkt het aantal ophangpunten.

Ook chinese vliegtuigen kunnen dit enkel extern dragen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/11/2016 | 13:05 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 25/11/2016 | 12:50 uur
Ook chinese vliegtuigen kunnen dit enkel extern dragen.

Dat gaf ik eigenlijk al eerder aan met de Chinese J-11 en J-16.

Zoals Jurriën al aangaf, heeft men hier in het Westen een uitdaging. Wanneer de AIM-120D en de Meteor op een gegeven moment niet (meer) het bereik hebben, dan zal iets daarvoor moeten zorgen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 25/11/2016 | 15:15 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 25/11/2016 | 12:50 uur
Ook chinese vliegtuigen kunnen dit enkel extern dragen.

Als je geen stealth toestel bent is dat qua concept ook minder erg.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 26/11/2016 | 12:41 uur
Take My Breathe Awa-aaayyyy, (zingt Berlin in) Topgun.

De meesten van jullie zullen de film Topgun uit de eighties met Tom Cruise nog wel herinneren.
Waarin de 'formidabele en supersnelle' F-14A Tomcat met zijn machtige AIM-54 Phoenix raketten een prominente rol in speelde.

Rond de dezelfde tijd boven Decimomannu, het eiland Sardinie:
KLu F-16A's gaan de degens kruisen met US Navy F-14A's in diverse luchtgevechten, die een toenemend aantal deelnemers krijgen.

De F-14A heeft inderdaad een hogere topsnelheid van Mach 2,34 tegenover slechts Mach 1,95 voor onze F-16A.
Deze snelheid speelt echter niet of nauwelijks een rol bij een gevecht.  De F-14A heeft verstelbare vleugels en die beperken de kruissnelheid tot een schamele Mach 0,7 tegenover zo een Mach 0,9 voor de F-16A.  De F-14A heeft ook een twee koppige bemanning, waarbij de backseater de Radar Intercept Officer is.
De Phoenix raket heeft een geheim bereik, maar sommige bronnen spreken over 185+ - 220+ kilometer.
Deze vuurpijl stuurt dan met een kruissnelheid van Mach 5 een dik 60 kg zware oorlogskop op je af, om jou in uit elkaar gespat kalkoenen stront te veranderen.
Daar ga je dan met je AIM-9L Sidewinder, die slechts ca. 18 km ver reikt bij een kruissnelheid van Mach 2,5+.

Op papier een ongelijke strijd en tijdens de eerste oefeningen zijn de F-14A Tomcats de 'Vipers' dan ook de baas.   Maar de F-16A vliegers komen er al snel achter dat de Phoenix vooral effectief is tegen non-manoeuvring doelen.
Dus gaan ze hun enorme manoeuvreerbaarheid inzetten.  Met als resultaat dat beide types na verloop van tijd qua winst - verlies gelijk opgaan.
Toch zijn de Amerikanen dan al bezig in het AMRAAM programma (AIM-120) met een lichtere middellange afstandsraket, die conceptueel direct is afgeleid van de AIM-54 Phoenix.

Hoe verder je schiet, des meer je mist.

Nou is een logge AWACS of (Airbus 330) tankvliegtuig qua wendbaarheid totaal niet te vergelijken met een jachtvliegtuig.
Maar de Amerikanen hebben in de jaren 90 tien vliegtuigen neergehaald met de AIM-120.
Slechts 6 kills waren Beyond Visual Range (BVR), maar om dit te bereiken waren wel 13 AIM-120 lanceringen nodig: BVR Pk = 0,46,  (Pk = kill probability).
Van de 10 AIM-120 slachtoffers, waren er 2 Irakese MiG's die op de vlucht waren en niet manoeuvreerden.
De Servische J-21 had geen radar of Electronic Counter Measures (ECM).  Idem dito voor de Black Hawk, die ook nog eens geen aanval verwachte.
En de radars van de betreffende 6 Jugo MiG-29's stonden niet aan en gebruikten ook geen ECM.
De toegepaste AIM-120A/B's hadden een effectief bereik van ca. 60 km tegen non-manoeuvring doelen en 30 km tegen manoeuvring doelen.

Stel je eens voor dat de AWACS en tanker via eigen sensoren, een datalink of eigen geavanceerde Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) en Missile Approach Warning system (MAW) het onderschepping vliegtuig en (zeer) lange afstand raket op hen af zien komen.
Dan zouden zelfs deze logge vliegtuigen zeer waarschijnlijk tijd hebben om een "beam" manoeuvre uit te voeren.
Bij een "beam" manoeuvre ga je loodrecht op de koers van inkomende raket en onderschepper vliegen.  Zodat hun pulse doppler radars jou niet meer kunnen zien.
Daarnaast kunnen zij uiteraard voorzien worden van ECM apparatuur, die niet alleen kan storen, maar het inkomend projectiel ook kan misleiden of te verleiden om op een decoy ('lokvogel') of valse radar echo af te gaan.  Er is een reden, waarom (middellange afstand) infrarood geleide raketten steeds belangrijker worden.

Het maakt ook verschil uit of je met je radar hoogte, richting en snelheid van een doelwit op zeg 80 kilometer of op bijvoorbeeld 400 kilometer afstand probeert te bepalen.
Hoe groter de afstand, hoe minder nauwkeurig je metingen worden ten behoeve van een onderschepping en de verdediging heeft dan ook meer tijd voor tegenmaatregelen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/11/2016 | 18:27 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 26/11/2016 | 12:41 uur
Take My Breathe Awa-aaayyyy, (zingt Berlin in) Topgun.

De meesten van jullie zullen de film Topgun uit de eighties met Tom Cruise nog wel herinneren.
Waarin de 'formidabele en supersnelle' F-14A Tomcat met zijn machtige AIM-54 Phoenix raketten een prominente rol in speelde.

Rond de dezelfde tijd boven Decimomannu, het eiland Sardinie:
KLu F-16A's gaan de degens kruisen met US Navy F-14A's in diverse luchtgevechten, die een toenemend aantal deelnemers krijgen.

De F-14A heeft inderdaad een hogere topsnelheid van Mach 2,34 tegenover slechts Mach 1,95 voor onze F-16A.
Deze snelheid speelt echter niet of nauwelijks een rol bij een gevecht.  De F-14A heeft verstelbare vleugels en die beperken de kruissnelheid tot een schamele Mach 0,7 tegenover zo een Mach 0,9 voor de F-16A.  De F-14A heeft ook een twee koppige bemanning, waarbij de backseater de Radar Intercept Officer is.
De Phoenix raket heeft een geheim bereik, maar sommige bronnen spreken over 185+ - 220+ kilometer.
Deze vuurpijl stuurt dan met een kruissnelheid van Mach 5 een dik 60 kg zware oorlogskop op je af, om jou in uit elkaar gespat kalkoenen stront te veranderen.
Daar ga je dan met je AIM-9L Sidewinder, die slechts ca. 18 km ver reikt bij een kruissnelheid van Mach 2,5+.

Op papier een ongelijke strijd en tijdens de eerste oefeningen zijn de F-14A Tomcats de 'Vipers' dan ook de baas.   Maar de F-16A vliegers komen er al snel achter dat de Phoenix vooral effectief is tegen non-manoeuvring doelen.
Dus gaan ze hun enorme manoeuvreerbaarheid inzetten.  Met als resultaat dat beide types na verloop van tijd qua winst - verlies gelijk opgaan.
Toch zijn de Amerikanen dan al bezig in het AMRAAM programma (AIM-120) met een lichtere middellange afstandsraket, die conceptueel direct is afgeleid van de AIM-54 Phoenix.

Hoe verder je schiet, des meer je mist.

Nou is een logge AWACS of (Airbus 330) tankvliegtuig qua wendbaarheid totaal niet te vergelijken met een jachtvliegtuig.
Maar de Amerikanen hebben in de jaren 90 tien vliegtuigen neergehaald met de AIM-120.
Slechts 6 kills waren Beyond Visual Range (BVR), maar om dit te bereiken waren wel 13 AIM-120 lanceringen nodig: BVR Pk = 0,46,  (Pk = kill probability).
Van de 10 AIM-120 slachtoffers, waren er 2 Irakese MiG's die op de vlucht waren en niet manoeuvreerden.
De Servische J-21 had geen radar of Electronic Counter Measures (ECM).  Idem dito voor de Black Hawk, die ook nog eens geen aanval verwachte.
En de radars van de betreffende 6 Jugo MiG-29's stonden niet aan en gebruikten ook geen ECM.
De toegepaste AIM-120A/B's hadden een effectief bereik van ca. 60 km tegen non-manoeuvring doelen en 30 km tegen manoeuvring doelen.

Stel je eens voor dat de AWACS en tanker via eigen sensoren, een datalink of eigen geavanceerde Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) en Missile Approach Warning system (MAW) het onderschepping vliegtuig en (zeer) lange afstand raket op hen af zien komen.
Dan zouden zelfs deze logge vliegtuigen zeer waarschijnlijk tijd hebben om "beam" manoeuvre uit te voeren.
Bij een "beam" manoeuvre ga je loodrecht op de koers van inkomende raket en onderschepper vliegen.  Zodat hun pulse doppler radars jou niet meer kunnen zien.
Daarnaast kunnen zij uiteraard voorzien worden van ECM apparatuur, die niet alleen kan storen, maar het inkomend projectiel ook kan misleiden of te verleiden om op een decoy ('lokvogel') of valse radar echo af te gaan.  Er is een reden, waarom (middellange afstand) infrarood geleide raketten steeds belangrijker worden.

Het maakt ook verschil uit of je met je radar hoogte, richting en snelheid van een doelwit op zeg 80 kilometer of op bijvoorbeeld 400 kilometer afstand probeert te bepalen.
Hoe groter de afstand, hoe minder nauwkeurig je metingen worden ten behoeve van een onderschepping.

China test afschrikwekkende hypersone raket

https://www.kijkmagazine.nl/tech/china-test-hypersone-raket-2/ via @kijkredactie
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 27/11/2016 | 00:44 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/11/2016 | 18:27 uur
China test afschrikwekkende hypersone raket

https://www.kijkmagazine.nl/tech/china-test-hypersone-raket-2/ via @kijkredactie
:doh:

Ik ben niet onder de indruk.
Er bestaat zoiets als het PAC-3 Air launched Hit to Kill initiatief, aangevangen in januari 2007.
De 312 kg zware, Mach 5 snelle, 5,2 meter lange en 25 centimeter dikke Patriot PAC-3 komt dan onder de F-15C Eagle te hangen.
Vergelijkbaar dus met die Chinese hypersonische vuurpijl van geschat 5,7 meter lengte en 32,5 cm dikte.
Nou is de PAC-3 geoptimaliseerd voor Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD), maar een 'botsing' met een radar of tankvliegtuig kan altijd nog worden gerealiseerd.
En je F-15C kan je met deze raket dan gelijk in de rollen van BMD en kruisvluchtwapen ('kruisraket') verdediging inzetten.
De PAC-3 kan dan mooi die zogenaamde afschrikwekkende Chinese bloedsnelle raket letterlijk en figuurlijk een beuk geven.

Begin jaren 90 heeft de US navy nog overwogen om een variant van de Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) ingepakt in een beschermende canister aan de F-14 Tomcat en eventueel de F-18 Hornet te hangen.
De ESSM weegt 280 kg, kruist met een vaart van mach 4, meet 3,66 meter lang bij een dikte van 25,4 centimeter.  In oppervlakte-lucht modus heeft deze een bereik van 50 km, maar in lucht-lucht modus kan dit oplopen tot 200 km.  Men zou ook de ESSM block 2 raket als basis kunnen nemen.  En die krijgt een bereik welke vergelijkbaar is met de 165 km van de SM-2 Standard in opervlakte gelanceerde modus.  In een lucht-lucht modus zou dit bereik kunnen oplopen naar circa 500 km.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/11/2016 | 10:24 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 27/11/2016 | 00:44 uur
:doh:

Ik ben niet onder de indruk.
Er bestaat zoiets als het PAC-3 Air launched Hit to Kill initiatief, aangevangen in januari 2007.
De 312 kg zware, Mach 5 snelle, 5,2 meter lange en 25 centimeter dikke Patriot PAC-3 komt dan onder de F-15C Eagle te hangen.
Vergelijkbaar dus met die Chinese hypersonische vuurpijl van geschat 5,7 meter lengte en 32,5 cm dikte.
Nou is de PAC-3 geoptimaliseerd voor Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD), maar een 'botsing' met een radar of tankvliegtuig kan altijd nog worden gerealiseerd.
En je F-15C kan je met deze raket dan gelijk in de rollen van BMD en kruisvluchtwapen ('kruisraket') verdediging inzetten.
De PAC-3 kan dan mooi die zogenaamde afschrikwekkende Chinese bloedsnelle raket letterlijk en figuurlijk een beuk geven.

Begin jaren 90 heeft de US navy nog overwogen om een variant van de Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) ingepakt in een beschermende canister aan de F-14 Tomcat en eventueel de F-18 Hornet te hangen.
De ESSM weegt 280 kg, kruist met een vaart van mach 4, meet 3,66 meter lang bij een dikte van 25,4 centimeter.  In oppervlakte-lucht modus heeft deze een bereik van 50 km, maar in lucht-lucht modus kan dit oplopen tot 200 km.  Men zou ook de ESSM block 2 raket als basis kunnen nemen.  En die krijgt een bereik welke vergelijkbaar is met de 165 km van de SM-2 Standard in opervlakte gelanceerde modus.  In een lucht-lucht modus zou dit bereik kunnen oplopen naar circa 500 km.

Weer wat wijzer, goed om te weten.  :cute-smile:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 27/11/2016 | 11:49 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 27/11/2016 | 00:44 uur

Begin jaren 90 heeft de US navy nog overwogen om een variant van de Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) ingepakt in een beschermende canister aan de F-14 Tomcat en eventueel de F-18 Hornet te hangen.

Beschermende canister? Kan de ESSM niet goed tegen de elementen op hoogte?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/11/2016 | 15:45 uur
Command of the air in the 2030s

http://www.aerosociety.com/News/Insight-Blog/4830/Command-of-the-air-in-the-2030s
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 27/11/2016 | 15:58 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 27/11/2016 | 00:44 uur
:doh:

Ik ben niet onder de indruk.
Er bestaat zoiets als het PAC-3 Air launched Hit to Kill initiatief, aangevangen in januari 2007.
De 312 kg zware, Mach 5 snelle, 5,2 meter lange en 25 centimeter dikke Patriot PAC-3 komt dan onder de F-15C Eagle te hangen.
Vergelijkbaar dus met die Chinese hypersonische vuurpijl van geschat 5,7 meter lengte en 32,5 cm dikte.
Nou is de PAC-3 geoptimaliseerd voor Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD), maar een 'botsing' met een radar of tankvliegtuig kan altijd nog worden gerealiseerd.


De Pac-3 kost een miljoen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 27/11/2016 | 16:19 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 26/11/2016 | 12:41 uur
Stel je eens voor dat de AWACS en tanker via eigen sensoren, een datalink of eigen geavanceerde Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) en Missile Approach Warning system (MAW) het onderschepping vliegtuig en (zeer) lange afstand raket op hen af zien komen.
Dan zouden zelfs deze logge vliegtuigen zeer waarschijnlijk tijd hebben om een "beam" manoeuvre uit te voeren.
Bij een "beam" manoeuvre ga je loodrecht op de koers van inkomende raket en onderschepper vliegen.  Zodat hun pulse doppler radars jou niet meer kunnen zien.

Even he, hoe denk jij doppler nul te gaan vliegen tov raket en onderschepper? Aangenomen dat jij weet wat doppler nul inhoudt. Daarbij is dat bij een doppler radar gewoon een schakelaar (MTI, Moving Target Indicator) met daaronder 1 of meerdere drempelwaardes die je aan en uit kunt zetten. En je kunt je afvragen of er uberhaupt zo'n systeem in je raket zit.

Citaat
Het maakt ook verschil uit of je met je radar hoogte, richting en snelheid van een doelwit op zeg 80 kilometer of op bijvoorbeeld 400 kilometer afstand probeert te bepalen.
Hoe groter de afstand, hoe minder nauwkeurig je metingen worden ten behoeve van een onderschepping en de verdediging heeft dan ook meer tijd voor tegenmaatregelen.

Dat klopt, maar vergeet niet dat raketsystemen voor de grote afstand over het algemeen een radar of iets soortgelijks in de raket zelf hebben zitten die het overneemt zodra ze dichtbij genoeg zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 27/11/2016 | 17:26 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 27/11/2016 | 16:19 uur
Even he, hoe denk jij doppler nul te gaan vliegen tov raket en onderschepper? Aangenomen dat jij weet wat doppler nul inhoudt. Daarbij is dat bij een doppler radar gewoon een schakelaar (MTI, Moving Target Indicator) met daaronder 1 of meerdere drempelwaardes die je aan en uit kunt zetten. En je kunt je afvragen of er uberhaupt zo'n systeem in je raket zit.
...
Dat klopt, maar vergeet niet dat raketsystemen voor de grote afstand over het algemeen een radar of iets soortgelijks in de raket zelf hebben zitten die het overneemt zodra ze dichtbij genoeg zijn.
Beide +1  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 27/11/2016 | 18:56 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 27/11/2016 | 16:19 uur
Even he, hoe denk jij doppler nul te gaan vliegen tov raket en onderschepper? Aangenomen dat jij weet wat doppler nul inhoudt. Daarbij is dat bij een doppler radar gewoon een schakelaar (MTI, Moving Target Indicator) met daaronder 1 of meerdere drempelwaardes die je aan en uit kunt zetten. En je kunt je afvragen of er uberhaupt zo'n systeem in je raket zit.

Dat klopt, maar vergeet niet dat raketsystemen voor de grote afstand over het algemeen een radar of iets soortgelijks in de raket zelf hebben zitten die het overneemt zodra ze dichtbij genoeg zijn.
Doppler nul is niet nodig.  Je moet echter wel onder de "Velocity gate" of "notch" (= minimum radiale snelheid waarbij de echo nog weergegeven wordt op het scherm) van de vijandelijke pulse Doppler radar blijven.
In de F-16A/B was deze velocity gate oorspronkelijk ingesteld op 60 kts (knopen, 111 km/u), maar dat leverde in Europa problemen op met auto's en vrachtwagens die harder reden.  Dus werd de velocity gate in de F-16A/B verhoogd naar ik geloof 110 kts / 204 km/u, waarbij de vlieger nog de mogelijkheid behoud om de oude "notch" van 60 kts te selecteren in het geval men te maken heeft met slow movers.
Moet die AWACS, tanker of jachtbommenwerper dan met minder dan 60 - 110 kts gaan kruisen ?  Nee natuurlijk niet, het gaat om de radiale snelheid t.o.v. de radar stralingsbron.
Weet je de locatie en koers van een vijandelijke pulse Doppler radar, dan ga je in het verticale of horizontale vlak een koers vliegen die op 90 graden (haaks) ten opzichte van de radar golven van hem staat.
Heeft de vijandelijke radar eenmaal een "lock-on" op jou, dan werkt deze beam / notch manoeuvre wel bij bijvoorbeeld SA-6 radarsystemen en hun raketten, zoals boven Voormalig Joegoslavie gebeurd is.  Bij nieuwere generaties radar systemen, ingevoerd vanaf begin tot midden jaren 90, kan je door middel van een beam / notch manoeuvre  een "lock-on" niet meer doorbreken.   Deze radars hebben echt een quantum leap gemaakt in signaal-, en data verwerking.

Die Chinese VLRAAM heeft inderdaad een actieve geleiding, dus een eigen radar aan boord.
Zo heeft de AIM-120B een maximum effectief bereik van 60 kilometer bij non-manoeuvring doelen.  Gaat het gejaagde doelwit wel manoeuvreren dan neemt dit max. effectieve bereik al af tot 30 kilometer.  Ben je binnen 10 - 11 kilometer (geschat) van de inkomende AIM-120B, dan heb je geen kans meer om te ontsnappen.
De AIM-120B radar schijnt een max. bereik te hebben van 20 km, dat zal bij die dikkere en grotere Chinese VLRAAM wel hoger zijn.
Maar als je er in slaagt om buiten zijn "mid-course cone" te geraken, dan ziet die onboard VLRAAM radar jou ook niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 27/11/2016 | 18:57 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 27/11/2016 | 15:58 uur
De Pac-3 kost een miljoen?
Voor ons kostte de PAC-3 USD 4 miljoen per stuk.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 27/11/2016 | 19:00 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 27/11/2016 | 11:49 uur
Beschermende canister? Kan de ESSM niet goed tegen de elementen op hoogte?
Het doel van de ronde canister / dichte lanceerbuis was om de lucht-lucht ESSM te beschermen tegen de elementen.  Met als doel om de betrouwbaarheid en levensduur van de raket te verhogen
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 27/11/2016 | 19:33 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 27/11/2016 | 18:56 uur
Doppler nul is niet nodig.  Je moet echter wel onder de "Velocity gate" of "notch" (= minimum radiale snelheid waarbij de echo nog weergegeven wordt op het scherm) van de vijandelijke pulse Doppler radar blijven.
In de F-16A/B was deze velocity gate oorspronkelijk ingesteld op 60 kts (knopen, 111 km/u), maar dat leverde in Europa problemen op met auto's en vrachtwagens die harder reden.  Dus werd de velocity gate in de F-16A/B verhoogd naar ik geloof 110 kts / 204 km/u, waarbij de vlieger nog de mogelijkheid behoud om de oude "notch" van 60 kts te selecteren in het geval men te maken heeft met slow movers.
Moet die AWACS, tanker of jachtbommenwerper dan met minder dan 60 - 110 kts gaan kruisen ?  Nee natuurlijk niet, het gaat om de radiale snelheid t.o.v. de radar stralingsbron.
Weet je de locatie en koers van een vijandelijke pulse Doppler radar, dan ga je in het verticale of horizontale vlak een koers vliegen die op 90 graden (haaks) ten opzichte van de radar golven van hem staat.
Heeft de vijandelijke radar eenmaal een "lock-on" op jou, dan werkt deze beam / notch manoeuvre wel bij bijvoorbeeld SA-6 radarsystemen en hun raketten, zoals boven Voormalig Joegoslavie gebeurd is.  Bij nieuwere generaties radar systemen, ingevoerd vanaf begin tot midden jaren 90, kan je door middel van een beam / notch manoeuvre  een "lock-on" niet meer doorbreken.   Deze radars hebben echt een quantum leap gemaakt in signaal-, en data verwerking.

Jij hoeft mij echt niet uit te leggen hoe radars en radiale snelheid werken, daar ben ik al genoeg mee doorgezaagd. Maar feit blijft gewoon dat je geen twee afzonderlijke radarsystemen (de carrier en het ingezette wapen) kunt doppler nullen om het maar even kort door de bocht te zeggen. Wat voor de een onder de MTI drempelwaarde valt vwb radiale snelheid valt er bij de ander gewoon buiten.

Wij hebben deze truc in de jaren 80/90 al meerdere malen gezien bij verschillende luchtmachten waar wij oa op Vlieland samen mee oefenden. Ook toen gingen ze doppler nul vliegen door in een cirkel rond je radar te vliegen zodat de radiale snelheid nagenoeg nul werd. Een goed verhaal, ware het niet dat we altijd optreden met meerdere radars, je kan maar op 1 radar nul/ onder drempelwaarde vliegen, en als wij een doel plotseling van de scope zagen vallen schakelden we gewoon naar doelsnelheid zoeken laag of de MTI ging gewoon uit. Moet je eens opletten hoe snel we het doel weer te pakken hadden.

Citaat
Die Chinese VLRAAM heeft inderdaad een actieve geleiding, dus een eigen radar aan boord.
Zo heeft de AIM-120B een maximum effectief bereik van 60 kilometer bij non-manoeuvring doelen.  Gaat het gejaagde doelwit wel manoeuvreren dan neemt dit max. effectieve bereik al af tot 30 kilometer.  Ben je binnen 10 - 11 kilometer (geschat) van de inkomende AIM-120B, dan heb je geen kans meer om te ontsnappen.
De AIM-120B radar schijnt een max. bereik te hebben van 20 km, dat zal bij die dikkere en grotere Chinese VLRAAM wel hoger zijn.
Maar als je er in slaagt om buiten zijn "mid-course cone" te geraken, dan ziet die onboard VLRAAM radar jou ook niet.

Vwb de AIM-120B is het idd allemaal "schijnt" aangezien de specs daar simpelweg secret van zijn, al die gegevens waar jij nu mee komt zijn open source en derhalve niet betrouwbaar.

En al kom je wel uit de "mid-course cone" vwb die Chinese vlraam dan ziet een andere radar jou wel weer. Dat laag/ nul doppler vliegen trucje om puls-doppler radars te misleiden is al lang en breed onderkend en daar zijn de procedures al decennia lang op aangepast. En dat misleiden van de SA-6's in vml Joegoslavie was echt niet alleen doppler nul, wees maar niet bang. Daar kwam ook chaff, EOV en de hele kermis bij kijken. Daarbij waren dat nou ook niet de meest geoefende lui die de luchtverdedigingssystemen bedienden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/11/2016 | 20:02 uur
New Chinese Air-to-Air Missile Could Hit U.S. Jets Before They Can Shoot Back

https://warisboring.com/new-chinese-air-to-air-missile-could-hit-u-s-jets-before-they-can-shoot-back-ed70b25c000e#.gqw53jovf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/11/2016 | 09:28 uur
The #Israeli cabinet in the govt decided a few minutes ago to buy 17 additional F35 jets, raising the total number of these jets to 50.

https://twitter.com/AvitalLeibovich/status/802922047366000640

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/11/2016 | 15:20 uur
Canada's CF-18 Fighter Jets Can All Fly Past 2025, RCAF Commander Says (excerpt)

(Source: The Canadian Press; published Nov. 25, 2016)

By Lee Berthiaume

OTTAWA --- The head of the Royal Canadian Air Force says all 77 of Canada's CF-18 fighter jets will be able to fly until 2025, and even later.

Lt.-Gen. Michael Hood also says the U.S. military and other allies are working on upgrades to the aging aircraft that would reduce the risks and costs if they are needed for even longer periods of time.

The comments are contained in documents filed this week with the House of Commons defence committee as the Liberal government prepares to negotiate the purchase of 18 new Super Hornet fighter jets.

The government says it needs the Hornets to address an urgent shortage of warplanes until a competition to replace all 77 of Canada's CF-18s can be finished – a process it says could take up to five years.

Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan's office says Hood's comments don't address the "capability gap" that has been created from many CF-18s being out of service on any given day because of maintenance issues.

"Keeping old planes flying longer won't address the capability gap," spokeswoman Jordan Owens said in an email. "With the current availability rate what it is, even if the 77 airplanes could fly forever, there still wouldn't be enough of them to simultaneously meet our NORAD and NATO commitments."

The government and National Defence have refused to say how many jets Canada actually needs at any given time, saying that to reveal the numbers would jeopardize national security.

But others say the general's comments are a clear indication he is comfortable with the state of Canada's CF-18 fleet, and that buying the Hornets before a competition is unnecessary and politically motivated.

"Anyone reading (Hood's) comments would come to the conclusion that there is no capability gap," said Alan Williams, a former head of military procurement at National Defence.

Critics have suggested the Liberal decision to buy Hornets now and punt the competition down the road is part of a larger Liberal plan to avoid buying the F-35 stealth fighter. (end of excerpt)

Click here (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canadas-cf-18-fighter-jets-can-all-fly-past-2025-rcaf-commander-says/article33053734/) for the full story, on the Globe & Mail website.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/179056/canada%E2%80%99s-cf_18-fighters-can-all-fly-past-2025%2C-no-need-for-interim-buy.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 28/11/2016 | 15:32 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 28/11/2016 | 09:28 uur
The #Israeli cabinet in the govt decided a few minutes ago to buy 17 additional F35 jets, raising the total number of these jets to 50.

https://twitter.com/AvitalLeibovich/status/802922047366000640



Willen misschien ook nog zoveel mogelijk deals sluiten voordat Trump aan de macht komt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/11/2016 | 16:06 uur
Kuwait to buy 28 F-18 warplanes: official

https://www.afp.com/en/news/2266/kuwait-buy-28-f-18-warplanes-official
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 28/11/2016 | 16:20 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/11/2016 | 16:06 uur
Kuwait to buy 28 F-18 warplanes: official

https://www.afp.com/en/news/2266/kuwait-buy-28-f-18-warplanes-official

Zat er aan te komen, maar toch zonde, kans op een extra Typhoon order is wel verkeken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/11/2016 | 18:30 uur
Exclusive: spotlight on F-35 production in Italy

Elmer van Hest, Airheadsfly.com , 28 November 2016

In an enormous rectangular building in Cameri, Italy, a group of people swarms over the grey object that among them is known as AL-5. To others, it is known as the fifth Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II for the Italian Air Force. But judging by the language used, it's not Italians who seem to turn AL-5 inside out. They are Americans, employed by Lockheed Martin and the US Department of Defense (DoD). And their job at hand is quality inspection of a factory fresh, Italian-made F-35 Lightning II.

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Zie onderstaande link voor het complete artikel.
http://airheadsfly.com/2016/11/28/f-35-faco-cameri-italy-pictures/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 28/11/2016 | 18:33 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 28/11/2016 | 16:20 uur
Zat er aan te komen, maar toch zonde, kans op een extra Typhoon order is wel verkeken.

Hadden ze maar een beter product moeten maken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 28/11/2016 | 18:44 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 28/11/2016 | 18:33 uur
Hadden ze maar een beter product moeten maken.

Is vooral politiek. De kuweiti kunnen niet zonder de US, de order voor de Typhoon was dan ook al een flinke overwinning.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 28/11/2016 | 19:03 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 28/11/2016 | 18:44 uur
Is vooral politiek. De kuweiti kunnen niet zonder de US, de order voor de Typhoon was dan ook al een flinke overwinning.

Alles wat ik weet van dat apparaat is niet zo heel positief.
Er bestaan nu zo ongeveer 9 versies van de Typhoon en 90% van de onderdelen is niet uitwisselbaar tussen die 9 versies.
Daarnaast is het apparaat pas enkele jaren in staat om bommen af te gooien en daadwerkelijk iets te raken.
Allemaal niet al te positief, zoals ik al zei, dat ding zit gewoon niet goed in elkaar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/11/2016 | 11:48 uur
Russian bombers to get longer-range hypersonic missiles  ( ... iets waar we (vind ik) terdege rekening mee moeten houden, zowel kh-22, Brahmos+ en opvolgers van deze raketten ... )

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn-www.airliners.net%2Fphotos%2Fairliners%2F1%2F9%2F9%2F1870991.jpg%3Fv%3Dv40&hash=ed2a2f4455d05a7d6978a3aaa625e4b6b40f3b97)

Russia has begun testing of its new hypersonic missiles for Long Range Aviation.

Russian Tu-22M3 (or M) long-range strategic bomber test-fired a new hypersonic missile, that could fly up to five times the speed of sound. According to the lenta.ru, the test prospective weapons will last several years and the adoption of new missiles is expected in the area of 2020-2021's.

In August 2016, Tactical Missile Systems Corporation general director Boris Obnosov told Russian media that he was confident that Russia would be introducing hypersonic missiles capable of speeds between Mach 6 and Mach 7 by the year 2020.

The director emphasized that such weapons would significantly weaken the potential of enemy missile defense. "It's obvious that with such speeds – when missiles will be capable of flying through the atmosphere at speeds of 7-12 times the speed of sound, all [air] defense systems will be weakened considerably."

The technical knowledge for hypersonic weapons dates back to Soviet times.

However, after the breakup of the USSR all research was abandoned in the 1990s and money for developing the new weapon only began to be allocated again a couple of years ago.

http://defence-blog.com/news/russian-bombers-to-get-longer-range-hypersonic-missiles.html

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.wp.scn.ru%2Fcamms%2Far%2F658%2Fpics%2F1_8_b1.jpg&hash=c9495e56d50ae4c3252d1e0faf4bda9749d69816)
http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/658/pics/1_8_b1.jpg
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 30/11/2016 | 09:15 uur
Pentagon Memo: F-35 Capabilities in Jeopardy

(Source: Project On Government Oversight; posted Nov 16, 2016)

Despite some progress, the F-35 fighter continues to encounter serious development problems, but the Joint Program Office plans to cut short the development phase to "pretend that schedule and cost goals are being met."

When F-35 Joint Strike Fighter pilots take to the air in coming years, not only will their plane not be suitable for combat, it won't even be fully developed. Indeed, performance in multiple essential mission areas will be "unacceptable," according to the Pentagon's top weapon testing official.

In a memo obtained by the Project On Government Oversight, Dr. Michael Gilmore, Director, Operational Test and Evaluation (DOT&E), warns that the Joint Strike Fighter Program Office (JPO) has decided to cut short the F-35's development phase in order to pretend that schedule and cost goals are being met.

(The memo was sent to members of the Defense Acquisition Board "to document my continuing concerns regarding progress in the F-35 JSF program as you prepare to conduct the upcoming Defense Acquisition Board review" of the F-35 program, Gilmore writes in the opening sentence.—Ed.)

Een lang maar interessant artikel, zie onderstaande link voor het gehele artikel.
Hieronder wel enkele delen en de conclusie van het rapport.

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We now know that there is every possibility the F-35 will not be fully designed before it is placed in active service. Taking incompletely developed F-35s into combat will, Dr. Gilmore says, place pilots at "significant risk."

He also warns that if the Joint Program Office persists in its current plan, there is a high risk the F-35 will fail operational testing. If the F-35 fails, this will require an expensive correction process followed by a repeat of the entire operational test program. The test rerun alone would cost taxpayers an extra $300 million. Engineering the fixes and installing them on all the production aircraft would cost vastly more.


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Despite some progress, in flight science testing each variant is well behind planned test point goals for the year

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Developmental testing of earlier Block 3F versions found capabilities for Close Air Support, Destruction/Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses, Offensive and Defensive Counter-Air, Air Interdiction, and Surface Warfare missions were all "unacceptable overall, with significant deficiencies in capabilities and or/performance shortfalls."

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Incompletely developed F-35s undergoing rigorous combat tests will certainly experience new design failures. These must be corrected and tested again, a potentially lengthy process. Repeatedly stopping operational tests to fix basic design problems that should have been completed during development will wreck the carefully crafted operational test plan and schedule that have been in place for more than four years, as agreed to by the services and DOT&E. The result will be more delays and increased costs, exactly what critics of Dr. Gilmore and defenders of the F-35 say they want to avoid.

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The F-35A's internal cannon, a critical weapon both for close support and dogfighting, remains problem-ridden and needs further development. When the cannon's stealth-preserving door opens, the extra drag on one side turns the plane's nose enough to spoil gun-aiming. Engineers hope that flight control software changes can cure the problem, but that remains to be tested.

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Far more serious is the fact that the only sight for aiming the gun is the $600,000 Helmet Mounted Display. The very first shooting accuracy tests with the helmet, scheduled for October 2016, have been delayed until 2017 due to the software delays. There are strong engineering reasons to believe that the helmet sight is incapable of meeting the plane's gun accuracy design specifications. Pilots have reported that the helmet's displayed symbols can lag behind their eye's movement while they are flying through turbulence or being buffeted during hard maneuvering. Whether the gun is actually combat suitable or not will not be known until realistic operational test results become available in 2020--at the earliest.

The Navy and Marine Corps F-35 variants will have even more serious gun accuracy problems because both use an external gun pod with an unavoidably less rigid mounting than the internal cannon. Firing this pod creates recoil forces that pull the plane's nose down, potentially creating worse effects on accuracy than the F-35A's muzzle door. A software solution has yet to be completed.

Even if these serious airframe and helmet sight accuracy impediments are overcome, the cannon may still not be able to meet its original design requirements for hitting and destroying targets due to a change in the 25mm ammunition. The F-35A will now fire a new, non-explosive fragmenting round of untested accuracy and lethality while the F-35B and F-35C will use the older Navy-developed Semi-Armor Piercing High Explosive Incendiary-Tracer rounds. The program office "determined that the specification requirements for gun accuracy could not be met with the new ammunition planned to be used."


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Moreover, 13 of the scheduled developmental weapons accuracy tests have yet to be performed. JPO has not stated whether these will be ignored, completed during the development phase, or kicked down the road into the operational testing phase. These incomplete weapons tests could not be flown because program managers had to fix and retest numerous failures uncovered in earlier tests, thereby using up the available test range time and money. Dr. Gilmore warns that unless these weapons accuracy tests are rescheduled, funded, and completed during the F-35's development phase, they will have a major disruptive effect on the operational test phase. This would result in more schedule slippages, cost overruns, and possibly even jeopardize any ability to assess the combat suitability of the F-35.

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Despite the desperate state of F-35 development and testing now and for the foreseeable future, the JPO is planning to award contracts to develop the expanded and presumably more expensive Block 4 "full capability" aircraft in 2018. The specifics of Block 4 remain undefined, and these contracts for new planes may well be signed before the currently planned IOT&E of Block 3 planes has even begun.

There is no telling how many new F-35 problems will be discovered as the program limps to the initial operational test finish line.


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Conclusion
The F-35 program has been a fifteen-year saga of performance failures, schedule delays, and cost overruns. When Lockheed Martin won the contract to develop the aircraft just weeks after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, they promised the Air Force and Marine Corps would be flying brand new fully capable new fighter jets in 2008, with the Navy following suit in 2010. They planned for 2,866 F-35s for just under $200 billion.

But here we are in 2016 with the revised plan of 2,457 aircraft for just under $390 billion, which means we are paying double the unit cost, ultimately adding up to almost $200 billion more for 409 fewer aircraft.

Frank Kendall, the current Undersecretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics famously described the practice of buying F-35s before the aircraft has been fully developed as "acquisition malpractice." He was certainly right in 2012 when he said that, but since then has taken few steps to lessen, much less end, that malpractice.

Dr. Gilmore's message is very clear. The F-35 will not be effective in combat and will place American military lives in danger unless drastic measures are taken now. (Emphasis added—Ed.)

By proceeding with their current plan to truncate F-35 development testing and to not fund (or underfund) the operational test aircraft, instruments, mission simulators, and urgently needed threat simulators, they are in effect sabotaging any realistic testing of the combat suitability or unsuitability of the F-35. Underfunding these efforts increases the likelihood of failing to identify and correct preventable problems in testing and leaves pilots having to address deficiencies in combat.

The new President, new Congress and new Secretary of Defense need to exercise the oversight necessary to stop this bureaucratic sabotage. As a first step, they need to stop expanding the annual F-35 buy. Those savings should be transferred to finish F-35 development and development testing as originally planned. Thorough, truly realistic operational testing of the F-35 must be fully funded and overseen by a Director of Operation Test and Evaluation tough and honest enough to get that difficult job done.

The men and women who will risk their lives taking these fighter jets into combat deserve nothing less.


http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/feature/5/178789/pentagon%E2%80%99s-gilmore-warns-f_35-capabilities-are-in-jeopardy.html

Original versie van dit artikel van de POGO website :
http://www.pogo.org/straus/issues/defense-budget/2016/pentagon-memo-f-35.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/11/2016 | 09:48 uur
Congress punts extra F-35s, Super Hornets in defence bill

BY: Leigh Giangreco | Washington DC | 30 November, 2016

US lawmakers couldn't squeeze additional Lockheed F-35s and Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets into their annual defence policy bill and instead reverted to the numbers stated in the Obama administration's original budget request.

After ironing out differences in their separate legislation, House and Senate lawmakers came to a consensus this week on a defence policy bill that could come up for a vote by the end of this week. Senior armed services committee staff briefed reporters on 29 November about the unifying language, known as the conference report, which left out 11 F-35s from the services' unfunded priorities list. Fourteen Super Hornets included in a previous version of the House bill are no longer included. Although $3.2 billion in the defence bill is tied to readiness, lawmakers were forced to find savings by omitting the additional fighters.

Committee members also stopped short of mandating a separate programme for F-35 follow-on modernisation, but the bill will require additional reporting on the modernisation to Congress. The major defence acquisition programme designation requires closer inspection from Congress and a selected acquisition report detailing the programme's cost, schedule and performance.

The bill's language does not include the need for a selected acquisition report, but the JPO is required to submit information that contains the basic elements of an acquisition programme baseline for block 4 modernisation, senior armed services members told reporters. Block 4 modernisation will deliver 80 new capabilities and 17 weapons. Block 4.1 capabilities will include electronic warfare improvements, cockpit navigation upgrades, AIM-9X Block II and Small Diameter Bomb II integration.

The bill mandates close surveillance by the Government Accountability Office of the US Air Force's secretive Northrop Grumman B-21 bomber programme, but does not require restructuring the programme.

In April, Senate Armed Services Chairman Senator John McCain ripped into the Joint Programme Offices' current plan for the F-35, which would keep the modernisation within the programme rather than as a separate line-item in the budget. With Block 4 modernisation set to cost nearly $3 billion over the next six years, the GAO argued the price alone would qualify the programme as a separate major defence acquisition programme.

"This is incredible given the Department's dismal track record on these upgrade programmes, as the F-22A modernisation and upgrade debacle showed," McCain said. "I have seen no evidence that DOD's processes have improved to a level that would remove the need for a separate major defence acquisition programme that would enable close scrutiny by Congress."

While McCain railed against cost-plus contracts, the new bill compromised with a preference rather than mandate for fixed-price contracts. In the case of the JSTARS recapitalisation programme, the Defense Secretary could waive the need for a fixed-price contract in case of a national security interest, staff say. Earlier this fall, US Air Force officials warned that a mandated fixed price contract would have delayed the recapitalisation initial operational capability.

Congress also softened its stance on the JPO, which McCain had threatened to scrap. Instead, the conference report directs the Defense Department to return within the next legislative cycle with recommendations on how to drawn down the office. Software and development will likely remain common across platforms, but some elements of the programme could be handed off to the services, staff say.

"That actual disestablishment would not occur in [Fiscal Year 18]," staff say. "That would be a future decision."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/congress-punts-extra-f-35s-super-hornets-in-defenc-431929/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/12/2016 | 10:06 uur
A Glimpse At How the F-35 Will Help the Marines Storm the Beach (http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/11/glimpse-how-f-35-will-help-marines-storm-beach/133500/)

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 05/12/2016 | 09:15 uur
U.S. Navy aims to buy more Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets  ( Nieuwe F-18E/F's ter vervanging van "oude" F-18A/B's )

The U.S. Navy plans to divest its older model Boeing Co (BA.N) F/A-18 Hornet fighter jets in coming years and hopes to buy dozens of F/A-18E/F Super Hornets to deal with a shortfall of strike fighters aboard its carriers, a Navy official said.

The plan, which is still being finalized, could be implemented as early as part of the fiscal 2018 budget, said the official, who was not authorized to speak publicly.

"To decrease the strike fighter shortfall and to best prepare future air wings for likely threats we will soon divest from legacy Hornets, look to buy several squadrons worth of Super Hornets and continue with efforts to bring on the F-35 carrier variant," said the official.

The Navy also plans to field and deploy a new unmanned carrier-based refueling plane, the official said.

Sources familiar with Navy plans say delays in the fielding of the carrier variant of the Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N) F-35 fighter jet, longer-than-expected maintenance times for older model Hornets, and higher usage rates have left the Navy facing a shortfall of about 70 fighter jets in coming years.

If implemented, the plan would provide dozens of new orders for Boeing and keep its St. Louis production line running for several more years.

"We would welcome an opportunity to develop a plan, with the Navy, that would allow us to continue providing the robust capabilities of the Super Hornet well into the future," said Boeing spokesman Todd Blecher.

The company had suffered a setback last month when Congress failed to include 12 Super Hornets in the fiscal 2017 defense authorization bill, opening a potential gap in the Boeing production line until several foreign orders for Kuwait and Canada are finalized. The $618.7 billion bill was passed Friday by the U.S. House of Representatives, and the Senate is expected to vote on the measure next week.

Navy officials say the jets could still be added to the fiscal 2017 budget as part of a supplemental budget that lawmakers are urging Republican President-elect Donald Trump to submit after he takes office.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-boeing-fighters-idUSKBN13T05S
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/12/2016 | 09:26 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 05/12/2016 | 09:15 uur
U.S. Navy aims to buy more Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets  ( Nieuwe F-18E/F's ter vervanging van "oude" F-18A/B's )


Indien geaccordeerd gaat een aantal nieuwe F18E/F vermoedelijk 1 op 1 af van het aantal F35C, al heeft de a.s. regering Trump wel ambities als het om defensie gaat, dus misschien valt het mee.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/12/2016 | 09:33 uur
In het artikel van  bericht #1120 werd nog vermeld dat 14 extra stuks van de F/A-18E/F niet doorgingen. Maar weer zien hoe dit gaat aflopen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 05/12/2016 | 09:55 uur
Navy rules out deploying 'overweight' Tejas on aircraft carriers 
(kansen voor Gripen E-Naval ??... of de F-18E/F, Rafale M, ... of Russisch ? )
(Rafale M ... gezien de problemen bij de Rafale luchtmacht deal, lijk me deze optie niet aannemelijk)

The navy has ruled out deploying indigenously built light combat aircraft Tejas on its aircraft carriers, saying it is "not being able to meet the requirements".

Citing "overweight" as one of the reasons for ruling out Tejas for India's aircraft carriers, Admiral Sunil Lanba, Chief of Naval Staff, said the navy is looking at procuring an alternative aircraft.

"As far as the carrier-based aircraft is concerned, we need it in a time line of the induction of the aircraft carrier. We have the MiG 29K, which operates from Vikramaditya and will operate from (indigenous aircraft carrier) IAC Vikrant.

"We were also hoping to operate the LCA (Light Combat Aircraft-Tejas) from these two aircraft carriers.

"Unfortunately, the LCA is not being able to meet the carrier's required capability. That is why we need an alternative aircraft to operate from these two aircraft carriers," Lanba said.

He said that at the moment the navy is in the process of identifying the aircraft that will meet its requirements.

"If you look around the world, there are not too many options available and we need this carrier-capable aircraft sooner than later. So, I am looking at next five-six years," he said.

LCA-Tejas is an indigenously built fighter aircraft and has been inducted into the Indian Air Force.

Lanba said the navy is still encouraging India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) to develop the Naval LCA.

The naval chief said that it is also looking at UAVs which can operate from ships and autonomous sub-surface vehicles for surveillance.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/navy-rules-out-deploying-overweight-tejas-on-aircraft-carriers/story-dmTwtzjwCIfhOKTg3rlhJP.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 05/12/2016 | 09:57 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/12/2016 | 09:26 uur
Indien geaccordeerd gaat een aantal nieuwe F18E/F vermoedelijk 1 op 1 af van het aantal F35C, al heeft de a.s. regering Trump wel ambities als het om defensie gaat, dus misschien valt het mee.
Afwachten...
Ik heb de indruk dat Trump nog redelijk goed gaat moeten laveren om zelfs van de Republikeinse afgevaardigden en senatoren een en ander te kunnen verkrijgen.
De president is immers niet omnipotent en heeft zich ook in te houden. De US is geen Erdogan-staat...
Hij mag dan wel "straffe Tweets" de wereld insturen, maar om iets te bewerkstelligen gaat ook hij compromissen moeten sluiten.
Ik ben benieuwd naar wat we allemaal zullen mogen verwachten de komende 4 jaar.

De dag begint alvast zoals ik verwacht had: met een "No" in Italie en het ontslag van de premier ginds...
Me dunkt dat we niet veel referenda mogen verwachten binnen de EU in de komende jaren. Want op zo'n momenten gaat zelfs het verzuurde klootjesvolk stemmen om hun ongenoegen te uiten.
Stel je eens voor dat dat zou gebeuren in Belgie en Nederland :)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 05/12/2016 | 10:01 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 05/12/2016 | 09:55 uur
Navy rules out deploying 'overweight' Tejas on aircraft carriers 
(kansen voor Gripen E-Naval ??... of de F-18E/F, Rafale M, ... of Russisch ? )
(Rafale M ... gezien de problemen bij de Rafale luchtmacht deal, lijk me deze optie niet aannemelijk)
De Rafale M zie ik het ook niet worden...
En gezien de tijdsdruk zal een genavaliseerde Gripen het ook niet halen...
Volgens mij wordt het Russische meuk: hebben ze nu al... dus waarom alweer iets anders kopen.

Dit terzijde vind ik die LCA-Tejas zeer veel weg hebben van Mirages/Jaguars.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 05/12/2016 | 15:18 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 05/12/2016 | 10:01 uur
De Rafale M zie ik het ook niet worden...
En gezien de tijdsdruk zal een genavaliseerde Gripen het ook niet halen...
Volgens mij wordt het Russische meuk: hebben ze nu al... dus waarom alweer iets anders kopen.

Dit terzijde vind ik die LCA-Tejas zeer veel weg hebben van Mirages/Jaguars.

De MiG heeft wel veruit de beste papieren op zak denk ik ja. Al zou Rafale natuurlijk een prima keuze zijn, dus niet volledig uitgesloten. Een Gripen zie ik er ook niet van komen, gezien de retoriek over timings.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/12/2016 | 08:36 uur
Israel may acquire more F-15Is: sources

BY: Arie Egozi | Tel Aviv | 05 December, 2016

Israel is contemplating the acquisition of additional Boeing F-15Is to support its future combat requirements.

Although the country's air force investment is currently focused on the acquisition of 50 Lockheed Martin F-35s, Tel Aviv believes it needs more than one strike aircraft in its inventory.

During briefings ahead of the 12 December arrival of Israel's first F-35s, air force officials indicated that they were considering buying more of the legacy Boeing fighters.

According to sources familiar with the matter, although the F-35's stealth capabilities will be vital in the initial phase of a conflict, the air force will subsequently need an aircraft with a larger weapons load to operate alongside the Joint Strike Fighter.

F-15 production is likely to continue into the 2020s if a provisional 72-aircraft deal with Qatar can be concluded.

If Tel Aviv decides to purchase additional Strike Eagles, funding would be drawn from a recently approved military aid package from the USA, which is worth $38 billion over 10 years from 2019.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/israel-may-acquire-more-f-15is-sources-432105/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 06/12/2016 | 22:12 uur
Heden zijn Adir 901 & 902 geland op Lajes.
Het zijn 2x LM F35I, de Israelische variant van de F35A.
De bron: http://militaryaviationreview.com/first-two-israeli-f-35as-arrive-at-lajes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/12/2016 | 14:41 uur
Navair Sees F-35 Requiring Up to 50 Maintenance Hours per Flight Hour

Four years into their operational career, F-35 fighters are expected to require between 41.75 and 50.1 maintenance man-hours (MMH) per flight hours, or about three times as many as most fighter aircraft currently operated by Western air forces.

This extremely high MMH to flight hour ratio is extrapolated from a Dec. 01 solicitation filed by the US Naval Air Systems Command, and which states that the world-wide in-service fleet of F-35s will require 17 million man-hours of maintenance and sustainment in FY 2018 and FY 2019.

..../....

voor het gehele artikel en tabellen, zie onderstaande LINK

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/feature/5/179243/navair-projects-f_35-to-need-50-maintenance-hours-per-flight-hour.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 07/12/2016 | 15:06 uur
Ah top, om de inzetbaarheid gelijk te houden straks dus met 18.000 man op een carrier. Maakt niet uit, ruimte zat. Zonde van die paar 100 mam die ze met de Ford class van boord wilden trappen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 07/12/2016 | 16:00 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 07/12/2016 | 14:41 uur
Navair Sees F-35 Requiring Up to 50 Maintenance Hours per Flight Hour

Four years into their operational career, F-35 fighters are expected to require between 41.75 and 50.1 maintenance man-hours (MMH) per flight hours, or about three times as many as most fighter aircraft currently operated by Western air forces.

This extremely high MMH to flight hour ratio is extrapolated from a Dec. 01 solicitation filed by the US Naval Air Systems Command, and which states that the world-wide in-service fleet of F-35s will require 17 million man-hours of maintenance and sustainment in FY 2018 and FY 2019.

..../....

voor het gehele artikel en tabellen, zie onderstaande LINK

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/feature/5/179243/navair-projects-f_35-to-need-50-maintenance-hours-per-flight-hour.html

Surprise surprise...#not  >:(
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/12/2016 | 09:00 uur
Second-hand Italian Eurofighters enter the fray in Bulgaria's fighter contest

Bulgaria's fighter competition to replace its MiG-29 has been expanded to include second-hand Eurofighters from Italy.

Besides Italy, Portugal, Sweden and United States were approached by Bulgaria for proposals to sell fighter aircraft to the Eastern European nation.

http://alert5.com/2016/12/11/second-hand-italian-eurofighters-enter-the-fray-in-bulgarias-fighter-contest/#more-59505
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/12/2016 | 09:05 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 12/12/2016 | 09:00 uur
Second-hand Italian Eurofighters enter the fray in Bulgaria's fighter contest


Met slechts 8 toestellen en een zeer karig budget lijkt mij de keuze zich uiteindelijk te beperken tot 2
één pitters.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 12/12/2016 | 09:33 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/12/2016 | 09:05 uur
Met slechts 8 toestellen en een zeer karig budget lijkt mij de keuze zich uiteindelijk te beperken tot 2
één pitters.

Wij hebben toch nog wat F16's....
Middelen om ze in te zetten hebben we toch niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/12/2016 | 15:31 uur
Cancel Plans to Purchase Additional F-35 Joint Strike Fighters and Instead Purchase F-16s and F/A-18s ( CBO ; order stop voor F-35, ipv F-35 koop laatste versie F-16, F18 ... )

(Source: Congressional Budget Office; issued Dec 08, 2016)

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program is the military's largest aircraft development program. The F-35 is a stealthy aircraft—one that is difficult for adversaries to detect by radar and other air defense sensors. The objective of the program is to produce three versions of that aircraft: the conventional takeoff F-35A for the Air Force, the short takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL) F-35B for the Marine Corps, and the carrier-based F-35C for the Navy.

Through 2016, 285 F-35s had been purchased for the U.S. military: 178 F-35As, 71 F-35Bs, and 36 F‑35Cs.

Current plans call for purchasing 2,158 more F‑35s through 2038. The Department of Defense (DoD) has estimated that the remaining cost of those purchases, including the cost to complete development, will amount to $265 billion (in nominal dollars). The Marine Corps and the Air Force declared their versions of the F-35 operational in 2015 and 2016, respectively. The Navy expects to declare its version operational by 2019.

Under this option, DoD would halt further production of the F-35 and instead purchase the most advanced versions of older, non-stealthy fighter aircraft that are still in production: the F-16 Fighting Falcon for the Air Force and the F/A-18 Super Hornet for the Navy and Marine Corps.

The services would operate the F-35s that have already been purchased. By the Congressional Budget Office's estimates, the option would reduce the need for discretionary budget authority by $29 billion from 2018 through 2026 if the F-16s and F/A-18s were purchased on the same schedule as that currently in place for the F-35s. Outlays would decrease by $23 billion over that period.

Additional savings would accrue from 2027 through 2038 if F-16s and F/A-18s were purchased instead of the F-35s that are scheduled to be purchased in those later years. However, the Navy and Air Force are both planning to develop entirely new aircraft with fighter-like capabilities to be fielded in the 2030s and might choose to replace some planned F-35s with those aircraft instead.

An advantage of this option is that it would reduce the cost of replacing DoD's older fighter aircraft while still providing new F-16s and F/A-18s with improved capabilities—including modern radar, precision weapons, and digital communications—that would be able to defeat most of the threats that the United States is likely to face in the coming years.

The F-35s that have already been purchased would augment the stealthy B-2 bombers and F-22 fighters that are currently in the force, improving the services' ability to operate against adversaries equipped with advanced air defense systems. The military has successfully operated a mix of stealthy and non-stealthy aircraft since the advent of the F-117 stealth fighter in the 1980s.

A disadvantage of this option is that a force consisting of a mix of stealthy and non-stealthy aircraft would be less flexible against advanced enemy air defense systems. An inability to neutralize such defenses in the early stages of a conflict might preclude the use of F-16s and F/A-18s, effectively reducing the number of fighters that the United States would have at its disposal.

Another disadvantage is that the services would have to continue to operate more types of aircraft instead of concentrating on a smaller number of types. For example, F-16s would remain in the Air Force's inventory longer than currently planned, and the Marine Corps might need to field new F/A-18s to augment its F-35Bs.

Depending on how expensive it was to operate the F-35, the added costs of maintaining mixed fleets of fighters for a longer period could offset some of the savings under this option.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/179479/cbo%3A-replacing-f_35-with-legacy-fighters-would-save-%2429bn.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 12/12/2016 | 15:40 uur
Donald J. Trump Verified account
‏@realDonaldTrump
The F-35 program and cost is out of control. Billions of dollars can and will be saved on military (and other) purchases after January 20th.

bron: Twitter 2:26 PM - 12 Dec 2016
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/12/2016 | 16:15 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 12/12/2016 | 15:31 uur
Cancel Plans to Purchase Additional F-35 Joint Strike Fighters and Instead Purchase F-16s and F/A-18s ( CBO ; order stop voor F-35, ipv F-35 koop laatste versie F-16, F18 ... )


Die soep zal niet zo heet gegeten worden wel is de C variant de meest kwetsbare, als er al iets geannuleerd wordt dan moet je het in die hoek zoeken denk ik, immers de USN is blij met haar F18E/F/G en kan het zich krap veroorloven om te wachten op een volgende generatie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/12/2016 | 18:02 uur
5 Reasons Trump's Twitter Attack On the F-35 Fighter Will Backfire via @forbes

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2016/12/12/5-reasons-trumps-twitter-attack-on-the-f-35-fighter-will-backfire/#389af2e34441
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 12/12/2016 | 22:13 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/12/2016 | 16:15 uur
Die soep zal niet zo heet gegeten worden wel is de C variant de meest kwetsbare, als er al iets geannuleerd wordt dan moet je het in die hoek zoeken denk ik, immers de USN is blij met haar F18E/F/G en kan het zich krap veroorloven om te wachten op een volgende generatie.

Als alternatief F16 Block 60-62 met een AESA radar.

http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/racr/

http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/SABR/Documents/sabr_datasheet.pdf



Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/12/2016 | 22:37 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 12/12/2016 | 22:13 uur
Als alternatief F16 Block 60-62 met een AESA radar.


Gaat niet gebeuren... los van het feit dat aan Inda al de block 70 wordt aangeboden met daarnaast de diverse volgende generatie concepten die in de RFI status zijn.

Gevolg van de Trump tweet van vandaag: Leuk om LM onder druk te zetten om de prijs verder te laten dalen en in het ergste geval een x-aantal kisten minder me als grootste risico model de C.

Ook Trump zal deze kist voor de Amerikanen niet om zeep kunnen/willen helpen er is immers geen serieus alternatief en de militaire- en economische belangen zijn te groot.

Het heropenen van de F22 lijn zal jaren kosten (is tegenwoordig niet meer geheel kansloos) en de volgende generatie laat nog 20 jaar op zich wachten.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 12/12/2016 | 22:55 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/12/2016 | 22:37 uur

Gaat niet gebeuren... los van het feit dat aan Inda al de block 70 wordt aangeboden met daarnaast de diverse volgende generatie concepten die in de RFI status zijn.

Gevolg van de Trump tweet van vandaag: Leuk om LM onder druk te zetten om de prijs verder te laten dalen en in het ergste geval een x-aantal kisten minder me als grootste risico model de C.

Ook Trump zal deze kist voor de Amerikanen niet om zeep kunnen/willen helpen er is immers geen serieus alternatief en de militaire- en economische belangen zijn te groot.

Het heropenen van de F22 lijn zal jaren kosten (is tegenwoordig niet meer geheel kansloos) en de volgende generatie laat nog 20 jaar op zich wachten.

The APG-83 provides F-16s with 5th Generation fighter radar capabilities by leveraging hardware and software commonality with F-22 and F-35 AESA radars.

http://lockheedmartin.com/us/news/features/2016/Meet-the-F-16V.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/12/2016 | 23:01 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 12/12/2016 | 22:55 uur
The APG-83 provides F-16s with 5th Generation fighter radar capabilities by leveraging hardware and software commonality with F-22 and F-35 AESA radars.


Leuk en aardig maar dat veranderd niets of niet veel aan de het F35 programma, hooguit dat een aantal additionele kisten worden aangeschaft die dan in mindering op het programma worden gebracht.

Ik begrijp dat F35 tegenstanders deze ene Trump tweet als strohalm proberen te omarmen en misschien heeft het zelfs een effect... maar daar blijft het vermoedelijk dan ook bij.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/12/2016 | 10:11 uur
The "Adir" Has Landed

Nevatim Air Base, Israel // December 12, 2016

Today, December 12, 2016, the first pair of "Adir" (F-35I) stealth fighters landed in their new home, Nevatim AFB. The landing ceremony, which was slightly delayed due to heavy fog in Italy and American safety protocols, was attended by the PM of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu, the President of Israel Reuven (Ruvi) Rivlin, the Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman, the Chief of the General Staff Lt. Gen. Gadi Eizenkot, IAF Commander Maj. Gen. Amir Eshel, heads of the involved military industries, the United States Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter, U.S Ambassador to Israel Daniel Shapiro, the President of "Lockheed Martin" Marillyn Hewson and delegates from around the world.

(https://a855196877272cb14560-2a4fa819a63ddcc0c289f9457bc3ebab.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/17308/israel-arrival-news__main.jpg)

Read the full article on IAF.org. (http://www.iaf.org.il/4451-48791-en/IAF.aspx)

"Today, the fifth generation revolution begins. The 'Adir' is about to become a powerful accelerator for the entire IAF", said Maj. Gen. Amir Eshel, IAF Commander. "We plan on leveraging our systemic abilities to new heights in attack and defense. Our aerial force will be much deadlier, combined and more relevant than ever".

"The 'Adir' (F-35I) stealth fighters and pilots will be able to operate in every arena, near and far" said the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu. "Our goal is to obtain supremacy in every theatre: in the air, in the sea, on the ground and in the cyber arena. We build our force and sharpen our abilities in defense, attack, deterrence and decision. The 'Adir' jets will strengthen these abilities".

https://www.f35.com/news/detail/the-adir-has-landed
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/12/2016 | 14:19 uur
Bulgaria seeks to buy eight fighter jets

Industrials | Fri Dec 9, 2016 | 11:53am EST

Dec 9 Bulgaria plans to spend about 1.5 billion levs ($808.63 million)on eight new or second-hand jet fighters and has asked Italy, Portugal, the United States and Sweden to make offers to supply them, the defence ministry said on Friday.

The fighter jets would replace Bulgaria's ageing Soviet-designed MiG-29 fighters and would improve the Balkan country's compliance with NATO standards and reduce its reliance on Russian-made aircraft.

The Bulgarian parliament has approved the plans and some funds for the deal have been set aside in the 2017 budget.

"The ministers of defence and the economy have signed a request for proposals for the delivery of multipurpose jet fighters," the defence ministry said in a statement.

Sofia will choose between new Gripen jets from Sweden's SAAB and second-hand U.S. F-16 from Portugal, equipped with U.S. weaponry. Another option is to buy second-hand Eurofighter Typhoon fighters from Italy.

A source familiar with the process told Reuters EU and NATO member Bulgaria would give the four countries three months to reply.

The deal would have to be approved by a new government that is likely to be formed after elections that are expected in the spring following the resignation of the country's centre-right government last month.

Bulgaria signed a deal last year with NATO member Poland for repairs of the MiG-29 fighters. In November, the country signed a deal with a Bulgarian company to supply it with four new and six repaired Russian engines for the aircraft. ($1 = 1.8550 leva) (Reporting by Tsvetelia Tsolova. Editing by Jane Merriman)

http://www.reuters.com/article/bulgaria-defence-jets-idUSL5N1E44J4?rpc=401&
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 14/12/2016 | 08:20 uur
USAF Says 30-Year Old F-15E Still Relevant, Still Current

Strike Eagle Still Soars After 30 Years

SEYMOUR JOHNSON AFB, N.C. --- The U.S. Air Force considers the F-15E Strike Eagle to be one of the most proficient multi-role, air-to-air and air-to-ground strike fighters active today since its maiden flight Dec. 11, 1986.

On its 30th anniversary, after flying thousands of missions during worldwide combat operations, the aging F-15E is still relevant and capable of supporting current combatant commander's requirements.

The F-15E was designed as a fighter and bomber aircraft with a back seat for a second crew member to operate a ground attack weapons delivery system. The cockpit contains the latest advanced avionics, controls and displays. The redesigned airframe was built with a stronger structure allowing heavier takeoff weights and doubled the original F-15 Eagle's service life.

Advanced technology and avionics assist the F-15E to fly day or night at low altitudes and in all weather conditions. The jet can also carry nearly every air-to-ground weapon in the Air Force arsenal, including AIM-7F/M Sparrows, AIM-9M Sidewinders and AIM-120 advanced medium range air-to-air missiles.

"The way the F-15E is built is a huge reason why it's such a respected and capable aircraft," said Maj. Michael Jokhy, 335th Fighter Squadron assistant director of operations. "The F-15E Strike Eagle can hold a lot more gas and weapons than other multi-role aircraft in our inventory."

The extra fuel allows the Strike Eagle to stay where it's needed longer, providing more life-saving close-air-support. Additionally, Jokhy said the extra weapons the Strike Eagle can carry are a great safeguard and reminds the enemies of the U.S. who has the world's most dominant airpower.

An F-15E from the then 335th Tactical Fighter Squadron at Seymour Johnson AFB, North Carolina, destroyed an Iraqi Mi-24 Hind helicopter with a laser-guided bomb during Operation Desert Storm in the early 1990s. The F-15E also flew into enemy territory multiple times while under heavy anti-aircraft artillery fire and demolished Scud missile sites proving its air-to-air and air-to-surface capabilities.

The F-15E was the only fighter able to attack ground targets around the clock, in all weather conditions during the 1990s Balkan conflict.

The U.S. Air Force currently has 219 F-15E Strike Eagle aircraft, mainly utilized for close air support during operations.

According to the Department of Defense, as of Dec. 2, U.S. and coalition aircraft have conducted more than 16,592 strikes in Iraq and Syria in support of Operation Inherent Resolve. The Strike Eagle has contributed to destroying or damaging more than 31,900 targets as part of OIR, further degrading and defeating the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

The 335th and 336th Fighter Squadrons and maintenance units frequently deploy to areas of responsibility in Southwest Asia to aid with the DOD's lines of effort which include providing military support to our partners, impeding the flow of foreign fighters, stopping ISIL's finanacing and funding and exposing ISIL's true nature.

During the 335th Fighter Squadron's most recent deployment, F-15E Strike Eagle pilots and weapons systems officers flew more than 9,250 combat hours, dropped more than 2,000 bombs and killed more than 80 high-value ISIL individuals.

To further enhance the already devastating capability of the F-15E Strike Eagle, the jets at Seymour Johnson are currently receiving upgrades through Boeing Co.'s Radar Modernization Program.

"We're doing [the upgrade] on all of the F-15E models," said Jonathan Pierce, Boeing Co. F-15E site lead. "This radar update is going to drastically improve the aircraft's air-to-air and air-to-ground radar, making it significantly more capable."

The old legacy APG-70 mechanically-scanned radar is being replaced with a new active electronically-scanned radar system, APG-82. It's designed to retain functionality of the old legacy radar system while providing expanded mission employment capabilities.

"What I'm most looking forward to with the modification is that it will be more in line with what other fighters have across the combat Air Force," said Capt. Bryan Hladik, 336th FS pilot. "The upgraded radar will further enhance our abilities to target [ISIL] through the weather. On days that visual acquisition of the target is not possible due to clouds, we will be able to take precise air-to-ground maps and target [Joint Direct Attack Munition] with a very high level of accuracy."

Col. Christopher Sage, 4th Fighter Wing commander, believes the F-15E is an imperative part to the Air Force mission and the future of combat air power.

"On its 30th anniversary, the F-15E is still a phenomenal and capable war-fighting machine. It controls the sky and dominates the ground," said Sage. "It's an important piece of equipment our Air Force uses to maintain air superiority in support of global operations and national defense."


(EDITOR'S NOTE:  The fact that the US Air Force considers the F-15E to be "still relevant and still capable of supporting current combatant commander's requirements" is particularly timely.
The Congressional Budget Office's reported Dec 8 that stopping F-35 procurement and instead buying the same number of the latest F-16 and F-18 variants would save up to $29 billion over the next ten years.
Given that the F-15s are also being upgraded with AESA radars and other improvements, the rationale for buying the full number of F-35s escapes the CBO – and many others.)

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/179518/usaf-says-30_year-old-f_15e-still-relevant%2C-still-current.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 14/12/2016 | 23:56 uur
Gripen E Taxi testing:

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 15/12/2016 | 09:07 uur
Saab pledges major investment if Gripen E wins IAF deal

Saab has pledged to support the development in India of a "future-ready aerospace ecosystem" if its Gripen E multirole combat aircraft is selected to meet an Indian Air Force (IAF) requirement for single-engine fighters.

In comments to IHS Jane's on 13 December, Jan Widerström, Saab India Technologies' chairman and managing director, confirmed that Saab recently responded to the Indian government's request for information to support the procurement programme.

Saab is understood to be challenging for the contract against Lockheed Martin, which is offering the latest version of its F-16 Fighting Falcon. The deal is framed around a requirement for localised production and could be worth about USD12 billion as the IAF looks to procure up to 150 aircraft to replace its ageing Russian MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighter aircraft.

Widerström said, "We formally responded to the Indian government in October, expressing our willingness to manufacture Gripen E in India, in line with the 'Make in India' vision. Our aim is to work closely with Indian industry to develop the world's most advanced fighter aircraft, and a complete future-ready aerospace ecosystem in India in the coming years."

Widerström explained that Saab's proposal includes the establishment in India of a modern facility that is fully capable of developing and producing advanced fighter aircraft.

"We have a blueprint for a comprehensive 'Make in India' programme for the Gripen E, which includes the setting up of a full manufacturing facility, at par with our Gripen E facility in Sweden," he said. "[It also includes] transfers of technology, the setting up of an aerospace ecosystem, the development of a local supplier base, and employment of a well-trained workforce."

Widerström added, "We're not looking at this as component production or the transfer of an old assembly line. We will build a full spectrum of capabilities in India.

http://www.janes.com/article/66248/saab-pledges-major-investment-if-gripen-e-wins-iaf-deal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/12/2016 | 09:20 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 15/12/2016 | 09:07 uur
Saab pledges major investment if Gripen E wins IAF deal


Ik geef Saab een hele goede kans en schat de kansen van de Zweed beter in dan van de Amerikaan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/12/2016 | 09:30 uur
Saab seeking Belgian partners for Gripen bid

Zachary Fryer-Biggs, Washington, DC - IHS Jane's Defence Industry - 13 December 2016

Swedish company Saab met with a range of Belgian companies as part of two days of meetings to help find local partners for its Gripen bid, the company announced on 9 December.

Saab said it had talked with about 40 companies over the two days, but did not name the companies in a press release. Saab did say that the companies had specialties in a range of areas from aircraft systems production to maintenance.

No teaming arrangements have been announced by Saab to date.

Most projections have placed the procurement of the fighters beginning at the end of 2017 or 2018.

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http://www.janes.com/article/66189/saab-seeking-belgian-partners-for-gripen-bid

Plaatje van het India artikel:
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Saab hopes its Gripen E will meet the Indian Air Force's single-engine fighter requirement. Source: Saab
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 15/12/2016 | 11:25 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 15/12/2016 | 09:30 uur
Saab seeking Belgian partners for Gripen bid
Mooi om te lezen...
Echter... ik denk dat dé beslissing al genomen is. 'We' gaan lekker op de kar springen en hetzelfde toestel afnemen als onze NAVO-partners die reeds op verschillende niveaus meewerken aan dat project.

Persoonlijk heb ik nog steeds een voorkeur voor de Gripen...  En ik denk dat met de BE-NE(-LUX) samenwerking we best met twee niveaus mogen werken:
- F-35  en
- Gripen
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 15/12/2016 | 12:34 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 15/12/2016 | 11:25 uur
Mooi om te lezen...
Echter... ik denk dat dé beslissing al genomen is. 'We' gaan lekker op de kar springen en hetzelfde toestel afnemen als onze NAVO-partners die reeds op verschillende niveaus meewerken aan dat project.

Persoonlijk heb ik nog steeds een voorkeur voor de Gripen...  En ik denk dat met de BE-NE(-LUX) samenwerking we best met twee niveaus mogen werken:
- F-35  en
- Gripen

Ik denk ook dat hier op ingezet wordt, maar wie weet, misschien ruikt Saab zijn kans als Trump inderdaad hjet F35 programma gaat korten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/12/2016 | 12:51 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 15/12/2016 | 12:34 uur
Ik denk ook dat hier op ingezet wordt, maar wie weet, misschien ruikt Saab zijn kans als Trump inderdaad hjet F35 programma gaat korten.

Alle concurrenten zullen daar op hopen en inzetten.

Bij een ander keuze dan de F35 voor onze zuiderburen zou ik gaan voor de Typhoon, levert een interessante mix van capaciteiten zoals die ook in Engeland en Italië ingevuld gaan worden.

Dit aanvullen in BE zowel als in NL met de Saab-Boeing T-X voor trainen en lichtere missies en voor beide landen een x -aantal U(C)AV's en de Benelux luchtmacht kan er tot 2050/60 weer tegen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 15/12/2016 | 13:20 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 15/12/2016 | 11:25 uur
Mooi om te lezen...
Echter... ik denk dat dé beslissing al genomen is. 'We' gaan lekker op de kar springen en hetzelfde toestel afnemen als onze NAVO-partners die reeds op verschillende niveaus meewerken aan dat project.

Persoonlijk heb ik nog steeds een voorkeur voor de Gripen...  En ik denk dat met de BE-NE(-LUX) samenwerking we best met twee niveaus mogen werken:
- F-35  en
- Gripen
Ik denk dat de Gripen een hele goede keuze was geweest..mits ook directe bondgenoten dat toestel hadden gekozen. Maar nu dat niet zo is en naar Noorwegen en Denemarken ook Nederland de F35 heeft gekozen, denk ik dat een Belgische keuze in deze ook die kant op zal gaan. Zeker als we de samenwerking tussen Nederlandse en Belgische luchtmacht verder willen intensiveren. Kan natuurlijk ook als België een ander toestel kiest..maar toch.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/12/2016 | 14:14 uur
Saudi Arabia receives first F-15SA Eagle fighters

Gareth Jennings, London and Lindsay Peacock, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 14 December 2016

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A Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF) Boeing F-15SA Eagle lands at RAF Lakenheath in the UK on 10 December on its way to the Kingdom. Source: Matt Varley

The first of 152 Boeing F-15SA (Saudi Advanced) Eagle fighters arrived in the Kingdom on 13 December.

Images showing the initial four aircraft, comprising two remanufactured F-15S (93-0857 and 93-0899) and two newbuild F-15SA platforms (12-1006 and 12-1010), arriving at King Khalid Air Base (KKAB) in Saudi Arabia were posted online following a four-day ferry flight from the United States via the United Kingdom. A further two aircraft are expected to begin the journey imminently.

While there has been no official word of the delivery from either the Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF) or Boeing, the event was charted on social media, by aircraft enthusiasts, and through internet radar tracking sites. The ferry flight was reportedly delayed slightly due to serviceability issues with the US Air Force McDonnell Douglas KC-10A Extender tanker aircraft that trailed them across the Atlantic Ocean and onwards from the UK.

As the most advanced variant of the Eagle built to date, the F-15SA features two additional hardpoints (from 9 to 11) and weapon systems; upgraded avionics (with a digital 'glass' cockpit, joint helmet-mounted cueing system, and a disorientation recovery capability); a BAE Systems Digital Electronic Warfare System/Common Missile Warning System (DEWS/CMWS); fly-by-wire controls; an infrared search-and-track (IRST) system; the Raytheon AN/APG-63(V)3 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar; and more powerful General Electric F110-GE-129 engines.

Deliveries of 84 newbuild and 68 remanufactured F-15SAs were originally slated to run from 2015 through to 2019. However, problems reported in development have pushed this schedule back by approximately 12 months. The part Boeing-owned Alsalam Aircraft Company near Riyadh is building the wing sets for the remanufactured aircraft.

As revealed in August, the RSAF F-15SAs are to be operated by 55 Formal Training Unit (FTU) and 6 Squadron (currently an F-15S unit) at King Khalid Air Base (KKAB) in the south-west of Saudi Arabia; by 29 Squadron (not currently stood-up) at King Faisal Air Base (KFAB) in the north-west of the country; and by 92 Squadron (currently an F-15S unit) and the Fighter Weapons School at King Abdulaziz Air Base (KAAB) on the Gulf coast near Bahrain.

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http://www.janes.com/article/66203/saudi-arabia-receives-first-f-15sa-eagle-fighters
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/12/2016 | 17:46 uur
China to receive first batch of Su-35s from Russia by end of 2016, says report

Gabriel Dominguez, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 15 December 2016

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China is set to receive the first four of 24 Russian-made Sukhoi Su-35 multirole fighters by 25 December, according to TASS news agency. Source: IHS/Patrick Allen

China's People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) is set to receive the first four of 24 Russian-made Sukhoi Su-35 'Flanker-E' multirole fighters before the end of 2016, Russia's TASS news agency reported on 14 December.

"The first four Sukhoi Su-35s are to fly over to China by 25 December," the state-owned media outlet quoted an unnamed source within Russia's Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) as saying.

FSMTC deputy chief Vladimir Drozhzhov had told TASS in November that Moscow had begun acting on the first phase of its contractual liabilities to China to provide the multirole fighters.

This followed an announcement made in September by Vyacheslav Shport, the governor of Khabarovsk Krai, that the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association (KnAAPO) would deliver all 24 Su-35s between 2016 and 2018.

The aircraft deal, announced in November 2015 by Russian defence conglomerate Rostec, makes China the first foreign contractor of the Su-35, which is claimed to be an upgraded and highly manoeuvrable '4++ generation' fighter with characteristics and performance close to those of upcoming 'fifth-generation' combat aircraft.

It is described by IHS Jane's All the World's Aircraft: Development & Production as having a maximum level speed of Mach 2.25 at 11,000 m (36,089 ft), a rate of climb of 16,800 m/min at sea level, a combat payload of 8,000 kg, and a maximum range with internal fuel of 1,529 km (sea level).

The Sino-Russian agreement reportedly includes not only the sale of the 24 fighters for a total of USD2 billion (USD83 million per unit) but also the delivery of ground support equipment and spare aircraft engines.

According to IHS Jane's World Air Forces , China has been trying to acquire the Su-35 - along with its Saturn 117S jet engine - from Russia for several years. Interest in the fighter was first shown eight years ago by then PLAAF Commander General Xu Qiliang at the Airshow China 2008.

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http://www.janes.com/article/66291/china-to-receive-first-batch-of-su-35s-from-russia-by-end-of-2016-says-report
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/12/2016 | 10:00 uur
Italy has become the first country to operate the F-35 outside of the U.S.

By David Cenciotti - December 15, 2016

Actually, the Italian (not the Israeli) Air Force has been the first service to take delivery of the first operational F-35s outside the United States.

On Dec. 12, whilst several Israeli and international media outlets focused on the delivery of the first F-35I "Adir" to Nevatim airbase (delayed by some 6 hours because of fog) highlighting how Israel had just become "the first country after the US" to get the new plane, far from the spotlight, the 13° Gruppo (Squadron) of the 32° Stormo (Wing) of the Aeronautica Militare (Italian Air Force, ItAF) received its first two F-35A Lightning II, becoming the very first country to take delivery of the 5th generation stealth jet outside of the U.S.

Noteworthy, the delivery flight was carried out by two Italian military pilots (the Israeli planes were flown by Lockheed Martin pilots) who flew their two JSFs (Joint Strike Fighters) to Amendola, where the aircraft landed in the early afternoon on Monday.

Indeed, whereas the arrival of the first Israeli or Dutch F-35s got a significant media coverage (with constant updates, live streaming on social media, etc.), the Italian Air Force has kept a very "low profile" about its achievements with the F-35 so far.

However, Italy has made some significant work on the Lightning II: on Dec. 3, 2015, the ItAF welcomed the first F-35 at the Final Assembly and Check Out (FACO) facility at Cameri, in northwestern Italy. That aircraft was also the first assembled and delivered outside the U.S.

Then, on Feb. 5, 2016 the first Italian Air Force F-35, successfully completed the type's very first transatlantic crossing landing at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland. To prepare for the 7-hour transoceanic flight the Italian Air Force conducted tanker trials in the U.S. (in July 2015) with its KC-767A, that became the first tanker not operated by the U.S. Air Force to undergo refueling certification trials with an F-35.

Three Italian F-35s are currently deployed at Luke's multinational F-35 pilot training centre.

And, as explained mentioned, on Dec. 12, the first two aircraft (reportedly AL-5 and AL-6) arrived at their operational base in southeastern Italy.

The F-35 is for sure the most famous (and controversial) defense program in Italy.

For the moment, Rome's plan is to procure 90 F-35 to replace the ItAF's ageing AMX and Tornado and the Italian Navy's AV-8B+ Harrier jump jets.

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https://theaviationist.com/2016/12/15/italy-has-become-the-first-country-to-operate-the-f-35-outside-of-the-u-s/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Micheltje op 18/12/2016 | 07:15 uur


QF-4 Phantom maakt laatste operationele vlucht


Ruim 58 jaar na de eerste vlucht maakt de Amerikaanse luchtmacht nog steeds gebruik van de F-4 Phantom. De laatste twintig jaar is dat weliswaar op minder glorieuze wijze, namelijk als vliegend doelwit voor andere gevechtsvliegtuigen. Maar omdat het aantal beschikbare Phantoms snel slinkt, komt ook hieraan een eind. Op 21 december zal de F-4 Phantom vanaf Holloman AFB (Nieuw-Mexico) officieel haar laatste operationele vlucht maken in dienst van de USAF.


Vliegend doelwit
Tot 1996 vloog de Phantom bij de USAF als operationeel gevechtsvliegtuig, in de 'Wild Weasel' rol tegen vijandelijke radarinstallaties. Sindsdien zijn ruim 300 Phantoms omgebouwd tot 'drone', een onbemand vliegend doelwit dat op afstand te besturen is. Na de conversie tot drone werden de betreffende toestellen aangeduid als QF-4, waarbij de Q aangeeft dat het een drone betreft. De meeste QF-4's waren onder meer herkenbaar aan de rood gespoten vleugeltips en staart.


Opvolger
Tot halverwege vorig jaar vlogen de QF-4 drones vanaf Tyndall AFB in Florida en Holloman AFB in Nieuw-Mexico. In juni vorig jaar zijn de laatste twee QF-4's van Tyndall overgebracht naar Holloman. Vanaf Tyndall vliegt nu de opvolger van de QF-4: de QF-16. Net als ooit van de Phantom, staan er grote aantallen overtollige F-16's opgeslagen in de woestijn van Arizona (het bekende AMARG, bij Davis-Monthan AFB). Een aantal van deze F-16's zullen de komende jaren worden omgebouwd tot doelwit. Net als bij de QF-4's gebeurt dit door BAe Systems in Mojave, Californië.



Roemloos einde
De USAF gebruikt voor de onbemande missies meestal de afkorting NULLO – Not Under Live Local Operation. Na enkele NULLO-missies vonden de meeste Phantoms al een roemloos einde in zee, neergeschoten door een luchtdoelraket. Enkele QF-4's waren een langer leven beschoren. Dat zijn de toestellen die gebruikt werden als doelsleper. Enkele maanden geleden vloog een QF-4 al de laatste NULLO-vlucht. Sindsdien vlogen de overgebleven Phantoms vanaf Holloman alleen nog maar bemande vluchten. Deze Phantoms zijn gespoten in 'retro'-camouflagekleuren, bijvoorbeeld waarmee de USAF Phantoms vlogen tijdens de Vietnam-oorlog. Wat er met de enkele QF-4's gebeurt die na 21 december overblijven, is nog onbekend. Mogelijk vinden ze hun weg naar musea in de Verenigde Staten.



Vliegende Phantoms
Tenminste één vliegende F-4 is er wel in Amerika, na 21 december; de Collings Foundation heeft een vliegwaardige F-4D, welke al enkele jaren voorvliegt tijdens vliegshows. In Europa en Azië is de Phantom nog wel volop operationeel. De luchtmachten van Griekenland, Japan, Turkije en Zuid-Korea maken actief gebruik van het type en ook in Iran en Egypte zou het toestel nog operationeel zijn. De komende jaren zal het aantal operationele Phantoms echter snel afnemen. In mei 2017 zal de Griekse luchtmacht haar laatste RF-4E fotoverkenners buiten dienst stellen. En met de toekomstige aflevering van de F-35 aan Turkije zullen de Turkse F-4E's waarschijnlijk in 2017 of 2018 worden uitgefaseerd. In Japan vliegen nog twee squadrons met de F-4EJ luchtverdedigingsjager en een squadron met de RF-4E fotoverkenningsversie. De verwachting is dat deze toestellen tot ongeveer 2020 zullen blijven doorvliegen – meer dan 60 jaar na de eerste vlucht van de F-4!


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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2016 | 07:41 uur
Here's the price tag for the latest batch of F35s (LRIP-9)

The following is a breakdown of the unit price per variant in current year dollars (including aircraft, engine, and fee):

42 F-35A model aircraft: $102.1 million a jet
13 F-35B model aircraft: $131.6 million a jet
  2 F-35C model aircraft: $132.2 million a jet

https://www.businessinsider.nl/lrip-9-f35-jet-2016-12/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 20/12/2016 | 10:41 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2016 | 07:41 uur
Here's the price tag for the latest batch of F35s (LRIP-9)

The following is a breakdown of the unit price per variant in current year dollars (including aircraft, engine, and fee):

42 F-35A model aircraft: $102.1 million a jet
13 F-35B model aircraft: $131.6 million a jet
  2 F-35C model aircraft: $132.2 million a jet

https://www.businessinsider.nl/lrip-9-f35-jet-2016-12/

Valt hartstikke mee,nog meer kopen van die handel.  :devil:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/12/2016 | 10:49 uur
Het was ook handig geweest als zij de stukprijs exclusief de motor hadden vermeld. Tot nu toe werd telkens de prijs exclusief de motor doorgegeven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/12/2016 | 10:49 uur
Citaat van: walter leever op 20/12/2016 | 10:41 uur
Valt hartsikke mee,nog meer kopen van die handel.  :devil:

Langzaam maar zeker groeit het ene uiterste van het spectrum naar het andere... De Gripen wordt langzaam duurder en de F35A daalt gestaag in aanschafprijs.

Als nu ook de US dollar koers (vs Euro) een beetje wil meewerken  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 20/12/2016 | 10:54 uur
Citaat van: walter leever op 20/12/2016 | 10:41 uur
Valt hartsikke mee,nog meer kopen van die handel.  :devil:

Als er geld overblijft in het projectbudget dan zou dat kunnen gebeuren ja. Maar weest niet verbaasd als dat niet gebeurd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 20/12/2016 | 11:08 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 20/12/2016 | 10:54 uur
Als er geld overblijft in het projectbudget dan zou dat kunnen gebeuren ja. Maar weest niet verbaasd als dat niet gebeurd.
Dit was echter wel ironisch bedoeld voor de geachte lezers alhier aanwezig.  ;)

Zoals bekend ben ik geen voorstander van dit vliegtuig,ga de redenen niet weer herhalen(maar heeft iets met prijs,capabilities en afspraken te maken)

Maar goed die brug is genomen en nu moeten we door.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/12/2016 | 14:35 uur
Joint Strike Missile completes long range flight test

Kongsberg Defence Systems 20.12.2016

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The Joint Strike Missile (JSM) has successfully completed a flight test in the United States. The missile was launched from an Edwards Air Force-based F-16 over the Utah Test and Training Range west of Salt Lake City.

The JSM is a unique strike capability designed for internal carriage on the F-35. The test demonstrated safe separation from the aircraft performing a number of challenging flight manoeuvres, long range while continuously alternating speed and altitude, unique capabilities for this class of strike missiles.

The JSM is in development for the Norwegian Armed Forces and will complete the qualification program in 2018. JSM will have unmatched operational capabilities enabling the F-35 to fight well-defended targets across long distances. The missile will be integrated on the F-35A but can also be integrated on other types of aircraft. KONGSBERG and Raytheon are partnered to provide the JSM for US and international customers.

 "The test verified all intended goals completing another milestone towards full integration on the F-35. The JSM program is on track to provide the war fighter a long range precision strike anti-ship and land attack capability", says Eirik Lie, Acting President Kongsberg Defence Systems.

https://www.kongsberg.com/en/kds/news/2016/december/joint%20strike%20missile%20completes%20long%20range%20flight%20test/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/12/2016 | 16:53 uur
New Photos Reveal Russian Advanced T-50 Fighter Plane Test-Flying

(Source: Russia Today; posted Dec 18, 2016)

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Russia has flown an eighth prototype of its next-generation Sukhoi T-50 fighter, and its photos were posted on the website of the United Aircraft Corp. unit where it was manufactured. (UAC photo)

New pictures of the Russian cutting-edge T-50 prototype fifth-generation fighter jet have been published on the planemaker's official website.

The images were unveiled by the producing Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Plant and apparently show a first flight of a prototype model of the T-50 (T-50-8). The plane is being developed by one of Russia's leading aviation companies, the Sukhoi, to replace its Sukhoi Su-27 fighter currently in service.

The respective test prototype accomplished its first flight on November 17, the BMPD blog, focusing on the defense industry, reported, though the information was not officially confirmed.

The fighter jet will come with advanced radar-evading stealth technology and a powerful 9-A1-4071K cannon which has a range of 1,800 meters and can fire at a rate of 1,800 rounds per minute.

The cutting-edge aircraft is coming at a cost of $50 million per aircraft, but its capabilities are thought to be worth the hefty price tag. The fighter can reach a top speed of 1,516 MPH (2,440kmh) and a battle range of 3,418 miles.

Defense industry analysts have made comparisons to the American F-22 Raptor, with the National Interest giving the edge to the T-50 for its high maneuverability: its three-dimensional thrust-vector jets can tilt in any direction to help the pilot execute maneuvers.

The Russian Defense Ministry is expected to buy at least one squadron of T-50 next year, the deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov, announced in September at an international military expo outside Moscow.

"According to the plan, mass production of the PAK FA (T-50) will start in 2017. We'll buy at least one squadron of the planes in the first batch," Borisov said.

Another model of T-50, with some minor modifications and different components, is being developed for export to India.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/179768/eighth-prototype-of-russian-t_50-fighter-enters-flight-test.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/12/2016 | 15:58 uur
The Official F-35 Price Tags Are Bogus

Pentagon statements do not reflect real costs or original estimates

by WINSLOW WHEELER

December 22 - 2016

On Dec. 12, 2016, president-elect Donald Trump asserted that F-35 unit cost was "out of control" through his preferred medium Twitter. On Dec. 19, 2016, U.S. Air Force Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan, in charge of the Joint Strike Fighter project, gave the press his version of things.

Multiple media outlets passed along the officer's comments, but with no analysis of the completeness and accuracy of Bogdan's assertions. The reports offered no context or alternative views on the stealth fighter's actual cost per plane.

The general said each one of the Air Force's F-35A would cost $102.1 million, while both the U.S. Marine Corps' F-35Bs and and U.S. Navy's F-35Cs would set the taxpayer back 132 million each. Those costs average to approximately $122 million for a "generic" F-35.

Bogdan got these numbers from the funds Congress set aside in the 2015 defense budget for what the Pentagon called "Lot 9," just one of a number of planned F-35 purchases. In November 2016, the U.S. military was still negotiating the final deal with plane-maker Lockheed Martin.

Needless to say, the unit costs Bogdan gave the media were incomplete. They involve only the Pentagon's existing contracts with Lockheed and engine-maker Pratt & Whitney to build the airframes and jet motors.

The numbers do not, for example, include the cost to buy maintenance equipment and other necessary support elements. They do not include money the Pentagon will spend to fix design errors discovered in testing now and in the future.

These figures are not the "sticker price."

One could calculate a far more complete price from the appropriations that Bogdan told Congress he needed to buy functioning airplanes. The difference between what he is telling the press now and what he told Congress in 2015 is significant — it is also the difference between a factory simply putting together a airplane and delivering an airplane that can actually fly and operate.

For the 2015 fiscal year, the F-35 project chief petitioned Congress for $6.4 billion to produce 34 F-35s for the Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy. This amount did not included separate funds for research and development and other costs that the Pentagon asked for in budget request

With the production data, we can calculate a F-35A has a price tag of $157 million, not $102 million. It's $265 million for a F-35B and $355 million for a F-35C, not $132 million for either variant.

On average, these F-35s cost $188 million apiece, not $122 million.

More basically, Bogdan says the F-35's price has been coming down, and indeed it has. The $188 million generic price in 2015 was less than the $250 million the Pentagon quoted in 2001.

For the 2017 fiscal year, Congressional appropriations showed us that the total costs came down again to $128 million for a generic F-35. That's $113 million for an F-35A, $142 million for an F-35B and $241 million for a F-35C.

However, an old Congressional Research Service report on the F-35 tells us that in 1994 the Pentagon was promising F-35As for $31 million, F-35Bs for $31 to $38 million and F-35Cs for between $30 and 35 million. In 2017 dollars, those costs would be $53 million per F-35A, $53 million to $65 million for each F-35B and $51 million to $60 million for a single F-35C.

Put another way, in 2017, a F-35A costs about twice what the Pentagon promised Congress more than two decades earlier. Compared to this initial estimate, the F-35B costs more than twice as much now, while an F-35C is about four times more expensive.

I suspect Trump can recognize when he is being scammed. In this case, the Pentagon is telling him American taxpayers can get F-35s for only two to four times what they originally advertised.

In 2014, Winslow Wheeler retired as the Director of the Straus Military Reform Project at the Project On Government Oversight. He worked on national security issues for 31 years in the U.S. Senate for members of both political parties and at the Government Accountability Office.

https://warisboring.com/the-official-f-35-price-tags-are-bogus-99d67799e2ac#.wpn419w6d
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/12/2016 | 09:47 uur
China's second FC-31 takes flight

23 December, 2016 | SOURCE: Flightglobal.com | BY: Greg Waldron | Singapore

Chinese defence websites have published footage of what is apparently the second AVIC FC-31 Gyrfalcon fighter aircraft.
Still imagery shows the aircraft taking off. One major difference is the configuration of the aircraft's twin canted tail. Produced by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation, the FC-31 features a cropped tail, whereas the first prototype designated J-31, had a nearly triangular tails with a horizontal top.

A brief, grainy video purported to be of the flight also indicates that the engines are not smoking. The J-31 that performed during Airshow China in Zhuhai in 2014 was notable for the exhaust produced by its pair of Klimov R-93 engines. This is the same powerplant used in the single-engined Chengdu/Pakistan Aeronautical Complex JF-17, which is also notable for engine exhaust.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=69236)

The status of the FC-31 is not clear. The J-31 did not appear at the 2016 Zhuhai air show, although a large model was displayed in the hall, near an "advanced avionics concept cockpit" with a sidestick controller, conventional heads up display, and large multi-function touch screen display.

AVIC held a surprise media briefing about the type at the Dubai air show in 2015, which appeared to mainly be a call for financial backing. It held no media briefings related to the FC-31 at this year's Airshow China, and AVIC officials declined to discuss the aircraft.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/chinas-second-fc-31-takes-flight-432720/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/12/2016 | 12:59 uur
'Trump kan met één Tweet niet prijs JSF manipuleren'

http://www.nu.nl/verkiezingen-vs/4369973/trump-kan-met-tweet-niet-prijs-jsf-manipuleren.html via @NUnl
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 23/12/2016 | 14:54 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/12/2016 | 12:59 uur
'Trump kan met één Tweet niet prijs JSF manipuleren'

http://www.nu.nl/verkiezingen-vs/4369973/trump-kan-met-tweet-niet-prijs-jsf-manipuleren.html via @NUnl

Maar hij kan wel wat zaken in beweging brengen met een enkele tweet.
Kijk maar eens naar het aandeel van LM vs Boeing na de tweet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/12/2016 | 15:12 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 23/12/2016 | 14:54 uur
Maar hij kan wel wat zaken in beweging brengen met een enkele tweet.
Kijk maar eens naar het aandeel van LM vs Boeing na de tweet.

Dat doet hij dan ook goed. Hopelijk levert het ook voor ons wat op, we hebben immers een officiële marge van + en - 10% bij de F35 aankoop en ik zie liever 40-41 F35 voor het zelfde geld dan 37.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 23/12/2016 | 15:59 uur
Volgens de Nederlandse kranten vandaag is de T-50 PAK FA 50 mio goedkoper dan de JSF en surperieur aan het westerse toestel...Volgens mij hebben wij ook tegenwoordig niet echt een antwoord op de SU-30 of het S-300 en S-400 SAM systeem..

Krijg de indruk dat wij in het westen miljarden kwijt zijn aan wapensystemen die ook nog een achter zijn op de Russische systemen, dit gaat volgens mij niet de juiste kant op.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 23/12/2016 | 16:26 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 23/12/2016 | 15:59 uur
Volgens de Nederlandse kranten vandaag is de T-50 PAK FA 50 mio goedkoper dan de JSF en surperieur aan het westerse toestel...Volgens mij hebben wij ook tegenwoordig niet echt een antwoord op de SU-30 of het S-300 en S-400 SAM systeem..

Krijg de indruk dat wij in het westen miljarden kwijt zijn aan wapensystemen die ook nog een achter zijn op de Russische systemen, dit gaat volgens mij niet de juiste kant op.

Oh, alle vliegtuigexperts werken tegenwoordig bij de krant ipv bij Northrop, Boeing, General Dynamics en Lockheed...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/12/2016 | 16:32 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 23/12/2016 | 16:26 uur
Oh, alle vliegtuigexperts werken tegenwoordig bij de krant ipv bij Northrop, Boeing en Lockheed...

Waarbij de experts het blijkbaar volledig ontgaat dat de T-50/PAK-FA (wel 8 exemplaren) volledig tekort schiet in bijvoorbeeld in de samenwerking met India.

De elektronica en de motoren zijn 4e generatie, iets wat uiteindelijk ook well op niveau zal worden gebracht maar voordat dat zover is, dan zijn we zeker 10 jaar (of meer) verder.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 23/12/2016 | 16:41 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/12/2016 | 16:32 uur
Waarbij de experts het blijkbaar volledig ontgaat dat de T-50/PAK-FA (wel 8 exemplaren) volledig tekort schiet in bijvoorbeeld in de samenwerking met India.

De elektronica en de motoren zijn 4e generatie, iets wat uiteindelijk ook well op niveau zal worden gebracht maar voordat dat zover is, dan zijn we zeker 10 jaar (of meer) verder.

Idd, ik word een beetje moe van die wikipedia wijsheid van al die zelfbenoemde experts.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 23/12/2016 | 16:42 uur
In hoeverre is het ding superieur?
Volgens mij ligt dat geheel aan de meegedragen raketsystemen en de radar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/12/2016 | 16:47 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 23/12/2016 | 16:42 uur
In hoeverre is het ding superieur?
Volgens mij ligt dat geheel aan de meegedragen raketsystemen en de radar.

Plus de geoefendheid van de vlieger en hoe snel het informatie kan verwerken.

Wachten tot de Indiase luchtmacht ze heeft. Dan kan men tegen ze oefenen, net zoals de RAF al eerder met Indiase Su-30's heeft gedaan  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/12/2016 | 17:00 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/12/2016 | 16:47 uur
Plus de geoefendheid van de vlieger en hoe snel het informatie kan verwerken.

Wachten tot de Indiase luchtmacht ze heeft. Dan kan men tegen ze oefenen, net zoals de RAF al eerder met Indiase Su-30's heeft gedaan  ;D

Tegen de tijd dat India haar variant operationeel heeft, heeft de USAF en de USN vermoedelijk 2 types van de volgende generatie op de productielijn staan genoemd: Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) ook wel Penetrating Counter Air (PCA)

Het tijdspad hiervoor geeft nu nog aan: invoering van een opvolgede generatie, in het bijzonder de opvolging van de F22A, de F18E en de F15C rond medio jaren dertig.

Of de Amerikanen deze ambitie willen/kunnen waarmaken is weer een ander verhaal.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 23/12/2016 | 19:13 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/12/2016 | 16:47 uur
Wachten tot de Indiase luchtmacht ze heeft. Dan kan men tegen ze oefenen, net zoals de RAF al eerder met Indiase Su-30's heeft gedaan  ;D

Deden de motoren het dan van die SU-30's?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/12/2016 | 19:44 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 23/12/2016 | 19:13 uur
Deden de motoren het dan van die SU-30's?

Ja. Anders waren zij zelfs niet eens in staat geweest om helemaal naar het Verenigd Koninkrijk te vliegen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 23/12/2016 | 20:41 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/12/2016 | 19:44 uur
Ja. Anders waren zij zelfs niet eens in staat geweest om helemaal naar het Verenigd Koninkrijk te vliegen.

En op de boot terug zeker... ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 24/12/2016 | 13:57 uur
Lockheed wil kosten JSF verlagen na kritiek Trump

Vliegtuigfabrikant Lockheed Martin gaat de productiekosten van het nieuwe gevechtsvliegtuig F-35 Lightning, in Nederland beter bekend als de Joint Strike Fighter, verlagen. Bestuursvoorzitter Marillyn Hewson zei dat vrijdag in een gesprek met aanstaand Amerikaans president Donald Trump, die eerder kritiek uitte op het de kosten van het vliegtuig.

Trump zei eerder in een tweet dat de ontwikkelingskosten van het gevechtsvliegtuig 'out of control' zouden raken en meldde dat hij concurrent Boeing had gevraagd een offerte te maken voor de volgens hem vergelijkbare F-18 Super Hornet. Het aandeel Lockheed Martin verloor die dag 2,4%. Een week eerder uitte Trump nog kritiek op Boeing, omdat het nieuwe regeringsvliegtuig 747 Air Force One meer dan €4 mrd zou kosten en hij dat veel te duur vindt.

Maar Marillyn Henson van Lockheed Martin zegt dat zij Trumps boodschap 'luid en duidelijk' heeft verstaan in een gesprek met hem. De topvrouw zal zich er persoonlijk voor inzetten de kosten drastisch te verlagen. 'Ik weet dat onze aanstaand president Trump het beste voor onze militairen wil tegen de laagste kosten voor belastingbetalers, en we zijn klaar voor dat te leveren!'

Nederland

Nederland is ook betrokken bij de ontwikkeling van de JSF. De regering deed in 2002 een investering van $800 mln in het toestel en krijgt nu meer invloed op onder meer het ontwerp van het model en voorrang bij de levering. Het Nederlandse ministerie van Defensie liet eerder al weten de uitspraken van Trump te plaatsen in de 'context van de Amerikaanse pogingen om de kosten van het programma te beperken'. Nederland zal in totaal 37 F-35-gevechtstoestellen afnemen. Dat is een investering van €5,2 mrd.

https://fd.nl/economie-politiek/1180941/lockheed-wil-productiekosten-jsf-verlagen-na-kritiek-trump
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/12/2016 | 10:07 uur
China targets export sales with its latest advanced fighter jet

http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-12/26/content_27770125.htm
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 26/12/2016 | 21:35 uur
Trump calls Boeing to price Super Hornet against F-35

President-elect Donald Trump has hit the F-35 programme once again, this time courting Lockheed Martin competitor Boeing for the Joint Strike Fighter mission.

Trump delivered the news in a 21 December tweet: "Based on the tremendous cost and cost overruns of the Lockheed Martin F-35, I have asked Boeing to price-out a comparable F-18 Super Hornet!"

Trump's tweet follows meetings with several US generals, including F-35 programme executive officer Lt Gen Chris Bogdan. The president elect's reaction indicates Bogdan's attempt to present a more nuanced picture of the F-35 programme and costs failed to sway Trump.

While noting the programme's costs and schedule have improved since its rebaseline in 2011, Bogdan did not present the most optimistic picture of the F-35 programme during a roundtable with reporters on 21 December. The programme may need up to $532 million more to finish development, but Bogdan says the real number is closer to $265 million. The Department of Defense still owes the Joint Programme Office $100 million which it borrowed to pay other expenses and the F-35 programme requires $165 milllion to accommodate new requirements such as redesigning the autonomic logistics information system (ALIS) to make the system deployable.

"If you put $500 million of overrun, please explain that half of that was supposed to be money that I had already in the bank, the $265 million," Bogdan said in a plea to reporters and perhaps the president-elect.

It was not immediately clear how an F/A-18E/F proposal could be used as a bargaining chip in negotiations between Trump and Lockheed.

The short take-off and vertical landing F-35B could not be replaced by the F/A-18E/F, which needs a catapult to take-off from a carrier and an arresting system to land. The F/A-18E/F is a natural, albeit non-very low observable (VLO) stealth, replacement for the F-35C, but that variant represents a fraction of the overall programme of record. To achieve significant savings, Trump may have to propose the F/A-18E/F as an alternative for the F-35A, an aircraft operated by the US Air Force, which has never shown interest in the navy's fighter.

Trump's provocative tweets have reverberated across the Defense Department and industry since his election in November. During a roundtable with reporters on 21 December, Bogdan made the only sure forecast amid an already tempestuous presidency.

"I cannot predict what the new administration will do and I'll just leave it at that," Bogdan says.

Boeing has previously been attacked by another one of Trump's tweets about "out of control costs" in the Air Force One replacement programme, but the company may now sense an opportunity to take business away from a key rival.

Within an hour of Trump's F-35 tweet on 22 December, Boeing's official corporate Twitter account responded: "Ready to work with @realDonaldTrump's administration to affordably meet US military requirements."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/trump-calls-boeing-to-price-super-hornet-against-f-3-432706/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/12/2016 | 22:01 uur
Krijgen we nu nog een semi stealth F-18 Next Generation ??
Een verder door ontwikkelde F-18 met alle laatste software, snufjes, nieuwe glass cockpit, rugbrandstoftanks, nieuwe motoren met meer vermogen, maar zuiniger.
Zou wel een enorme verrassing worden, maar misschien wel voor de US Navy een goede oplossing op weg naar de 6th generation fighter.
We zullen het zien.

Of gewoon een onderhandelingstruk om de prijs van de F35 te laten zakken en LM onder druk te zetten
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 26/12/2016 | 22:07 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 26/12/2016 | 22:01 uur
Krijgen we nu nog een semi stealth F-18 Next Generation ??
Een verder door ontwikkelde F-18 met alle laatste software, snufjes, nieuwe glass cockpit, rugbrandstoftanks, nieuwe motoren met meer vermogen, maar zuiniger.
Zou wel een enorme verrassing worden, maar misschien wel voor de US Navy een goede oplossing op weg naar de 6th generation fighter.
We zullen het zien.

Of gewoon een onderhandelingstruk om de prijs van de F35 te laten zakken en LM onder vermelding druk te zetten

De  semi stealth F-18 Next Generation is er al en heeft de naam Advanced Super Hornet.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/boeing-resumes-advanced-super-hornet-push-as-us-navy-425221/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/12/2016 | 22:33 uur
Comparable Super Hornet als tegenhanger van de F35. Dan zal hij waarschijnlijk meer nieuwe snufjes moeten bezitten dan de Advanced versie.
Naar goed, "onzichtbaar"maken zal niet gaan lukken met de F18, maar dat is de F35 eigenlijk ook niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/12/2016 | 22:38 uur
Een heel toestel herontwerpen. Je kunt beter met betere doelstellingen een nieuw toestel ontwerpen. En dan met nadruk... betere doelstellingen. Niet dat het een fighter bomber hunter air dominator voor de kl/klu/nasa en onderzee dienst tegelijkertijd moet worden zoals de F-35
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/12/2016 | 22:46 uur
Iets met hete soep.... en sisser.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/12/2016 | 10:04 uur
Te zien op de Boeing website.

Advanced Super Hornet Capabilities (http://www.boeing.com/defense/fa-18-super-hornet/#/capabilities)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 27/12/2016 | 10:19 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/12/2016 | 22:46 uur
Iets met hete soep.... en sisser.

Bush zette de Raptor stil. Er zijn best mogelijkheden, al zal congres een hoop blokken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/12/2016 | 10:35 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 27/12/2016 | 10:19 uur
Bush zette de Raptor stil. Er zijn best mogelijkheden, al zal congres een hoop blokken.

Mogelijkheden zijn er altijd en nogmaals de enige variant die ik gevaar zie lopen is de C voor de Navy.

De F18E voor de USAF... gefeliciteerd, dat gaat'm, neem ik aan, niet worden en de USMC heeft dan ook slechts een "klein" probleem.

Wel de stekker uit de A/B/C... begin maar vast met:

- herstart F22 productielijn
- versnelde ontwikkeling van opvolgende generatie vliegtuigen, zodat deze in/rond 2030/35 operationeel beschikbaar zijn.

Indien ik er volledig naast zit en de F35 gaat over de plint en de F22 lijn word gereïncarneerd, dan stel ik voor dat de F35 partner landen voorrang krijgen bij de aanschaf van de F22C? tegen een prijs die nooit hoger mag zijn dan die van de F35A.

Best attractief een KLu met 2 sqn Raptors en als schadeclaim een 3e sqn cadeau.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/12/2016 | 11:09 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/12/2016 | 10:35 uur
- herstart F22 productielijn

Indien ik er volledig naast zit en de F35 gaat over de plint en de F22 lijn word gereïncarneerd, dan stel ik voor dat de F35 partner landen voorrang krijgen bij de aanschaf van de F22C? tegen een prijs die nooit hoger mag zijn dan die van de F35A.

Best attractief een KLu met 2 sqn Raptors en als schadeclaim een 3e sqn cadeau.

Nog even en dan mag men ook de Duitse QRA gaan doen. Zeker als ook België de F-22 zou hebben  ;D

Jammer dat enige interne grondaanvalswapens de 1000 pond JDAM's en de SDB zijn. Voor al het andere zal men de vier externe pylons moeten gebruiken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/12/2016 | 11:18 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/12/2016 | 11:09 uur
Nog even en dan mag men ook de Duitse QRA gaan doen. Zeker als ook België de F-22 zou hebben  ;D

Jammer dat enige interne grondaanvalswapens de 1000 pond JDAM's en de SDB zijn. Voor al het andere zal men de vier externe pylons moeten gebruiken.

Sqn (nog te ontwikkelen) F22B of E  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/12/2016 | 12:02 uur
Als deze soep heet gegeten gaat worden, dan is de C versie voor de US Navy het haasje in het voordeel van een geupgrade F-18.
De USAF gaat nooit & the never met de F-18 vliegen, de F-35A zal er wel komen. Ik denk wel dat er minder aantallen geproduceerd gaan worden. Er gaan ook al geruchten over het upgraden van bestaande F-16's en ook nieuwbouw van F-15's in de 2040C versie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/12/2016 | 15:30 uur
The F-35: We Need the Numbers and We Need Them Now

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/the-f-35-we-need-the-numbers-and-we-need-them-now
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/12/2016 | 20:22 uur
China receives first four Su-35s from Russia, says report

Gabriel Dominguez, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 28 December 2016

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.janes.com%2Fimages%2Fassets%2F563%2F66563%2F1523908_-_main.jpg&hash=f971a7334c9ece7af708fa4e223e5ecc918379b5)
China received the first four of 24 Russian-made Sukhoi Su-35s on 25 December, according to media reports. Source: IHS/Patrick Allen

China's People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) has taken delivery of the first four of 24 Russian-made Sukhoi Su-35 'Flanker-E' multirole fighter aircraft, according to the Russian Aviation website.

The four aircraft arrived on 25 December at a PLAAF flight training centre in Cangzhou, in China's northeastern Hebei Province, said the website. Russia's TASS news agency had previously reported that the first four Su-35s were to "fly over to China" by the same time.

Vyacheslav Shport, the governor of Khabarovsk Krai, had announced in September that the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association (KnAAPO), which produces the aircraft, would deliver all 24 Su-35s between 2016 and 2018.

The aircraft deal, announced in November 2015 by Russian defence conglomerate Rostec, made China the first foreign contractor of the Su-35, which is claimed to be an upgraded and highly manoeuvrable '4++ generation' fighter with characteristics and performance close to those of upcoming 'fifth-generation' combat aircraft.

It is described by IHS Jane's All the World's Aircraft: Development & Production as having a maximum level speed of Mach 2.25 at 11,000 m (36,089 ft), a rate of climb of 16,800 m/min at sea level, a combat payload of 8,000 kg, and a maximum range with internal fuel of 1,529 km (sea level).

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China's second FC-31 fighter prototype makes maiden flight
Richard D Fisher Jr, Washington DC and Gabriel Dominguez, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 28 December 2016

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Images posted on Chinese online forums show what appears to be the second prototype of China's FC-31 fighter making its maiden flight. Source: Via Weibo

Images posted on Chinese online forums show what appears to be the second prototype of the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC) FC-31 'Gyrfalcon' twin-engine, 'fifth-generation' fighter making its maiden flight.

The publication of the images was followed by a China Daily newspaper report quoting an unnamed source as saying that the test flight took place on 23 December - some four years after the first prototype took to the skies - at an airfield in Shenyang belonging to SAC, which is part of Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC).

Billed by AVIC as an export fighter, the first indication that the FC-31 was in advanced construction was its brief appearance in an AVIC video shown at Airshow China 2016, which was held in Zhuhai from 1 to 6 November.

Derived from the J-31 fighter prototype, the second version of the multirole fighter had been shown in model form at the 2014 and 2016 Zhuhai shows.

"The new FC-31 seems to have better stealth capabilities, improved electronic equipment, and a larger payload capacity," Wu Peixin, an aviation industry observer in Beijing, told China Daily .

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This image shows some of the differences in design between the latest FC-31 prototype and the J-31 prototype. (Credit: Via CJDBY website)

"Compared with the first FC-31, there are a lot of improvements on the second prototype. Changes were made to the airframe, wings, and vertical tails, which make it leaner, lighter, and more manoeuvrable," he said.

The aircraft features a much-modified fuselage with an electro-optical targeting system (EOTS) and swept-back vertical stabilisers similar to those used by the Lockheed-Martin F-35 Lightning II.

AVIC recently provided new FC-31 specifications at Zhuhai, updating figures leaked at around the time of the September 2015 Beijing Airshow.

According to the new specifications, the FC-31's length has increased to 17.3 m from 16.8 m, while its maximum take-off weight has increased to 28 tonnes from 25 tonnes. The FC-31 also has an advertised combat radius of 1,250 km and can reportedly reach a maximum speed of Mach 1.8 and an altitude of 16 km (52,500 ft).

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/01/2017 | 07:50 uur
Tornado-Nachfolger: Neuer deutscher Bomber fliegt mit Drohnen-Schwarm

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/01/2017 | 09:07 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/01/2017 | 07:50 uur
Tornado-Nachfolger: Neuer deutscher Bomber fliegt mit Drohnen-Schwarm


Interessant is de verwijzing naar de Spaanse F18 vervanging.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 03/01/2017 | 11:41 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/12/2016 | 10:35 uur
Mogelijkheden zijn er altijd en nogmaals de enige variant die ik gevaar zie lopen is de C voor de Navy.

De F18E voor de USAF... gefeliciteerd, dat gaat'm, neem ik aan, niet worden en de USMC heeft dan ook slechts een "klein" probleem.

Wel de stekker uit de A/B/C... begin maar vast met:

- herstart F22 productielijn
- versnelde ontwikkeling van opvolgende generatie vliegtuigen, zodat deze in/rond 2030/35 operationeel beschikbaar zijn.

Indien ik er volledig naast zit en de F35 gaat over de plint en de F22 lijn word gereïncarneerd, dan stel ik voor dat de F35 partner landen voorrang krijgen bij de aanschaf van de F22C? tegen een prijs die nooit hoger mag zijn dan die van de F35A.

Best attractief een KLu met 2 sqn Raptors en als schadeclaim een 3e sqn cadeau.
De F-22A Raptor mag volgens de Amerikaanse wet niets eens geëxporteerd worden.

De F-22A Raptor is ook nog eens impopulair in het congres en het Pentagon en daarom ging de stekker uit de productie lijn.
Reken er maar op dat dit type vanaf 2030 uitgefaseerd gaat worden.

Ik verwacht dat de F-35A/B/C een zelfde soort lot beschoren zal zijn als de F-111 Aardvark.  Een beperkte productie van < 750 - 1.000 exemplaren voor de US en export klanten, daarna de stekker er ook uit.
De US Air Force moet dan haar overblijvende F-16 en F-15 vloot opknappen en langer door vliegen.  De US Navy mag meer F-18E/F Super Hornets aanschaffen, de US Marines moeten langer doorvliegen met hun AV-8 Harriers.  Dat houdt Boeing in de fighter business, want LockheedMartin als monopolist is absoluut niet gezond.
Tegelijkertijd gaat men een F/A XX ontwikkelen die in 2030 - 2035 op de markt komt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 03/01/2017 | 11:53 uur
De AV8's moeten er gewoon uit toch?
Hebben die in jou beleving nog operationele meerwaarde, afgezet tegen de kosten?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/01/2017 | 12:41 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 03/01/2017 | 11:53 uur
De AV8's moeten er gewoon uit toch?

Zie Marine Aviation Plan 2016 (https://marinecorpsconceptsandprograms.com/sites/default/files/files/Marine%20Aviation%20Plan%202016%20FINAL.pdf).

Volgens de planning op pagina 38 zal het laatste AV-8B(+) Harrier II squadron (VMA-231) in FY26 stoppen.

De laatste F/A-18A-D Hornets zullen zij tot FY30 gebruiken.

Wachten op Marine Aviation Plan 2017 de komende weken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/01/2017 | 12:48 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 03/01/2017 | 11:41 uur
Ik verwacht dat de F-35A/B/C een zelfde soort lot beschoren zal zijn als de F-111 Aardvark.  Een beperkte productie van < 750 - 1.000 exemplaren voor de US en export klanten, daarna de stekker er ook uit.
De US Air Force moet dan haar overblijvende F-16 en F-15 vloot opknappen en langer door vliegen.  De US Navy mag meer F-18E/F Super Hornets aanschaffen, de US Marines moeten langer doorvliegen met hun AV-8 Harriers.  Dat houdt Boeing in de fighter business, want LockheedMartin als monopolist is absoluut niet gezond.
Tegelijkertijd gaat men een F/A XX ontwikkelen die in 2030 - 2035 op de markt komt.

Zeer aannemelijk scenario waarbij ik twijfels heb bij het langer doorvliegen met de AV-&B door het USMC.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 03/01/2017 | 14:33 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/01/2017 | 12:48 uur
Zeer aannemelijk scenario waarbij ik twijfels heb bij het langer doorvliegen met de AV-&B door het USMC.
Temeer daar het USMC in 2011 al de afgestoten Britse Harriers opgekocht heeft.
Dat doet me vermoeden dat er toen al niet al te veel spares overbleven.
We zijn nu 5 jaar verder en ik denk niet dat ze het nog een tiental jaar zullen volhouden.

De Indiers hebben in 2016 hun laatste Sea Harriers uitgefaseerd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/01/2017 | 14:42 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 03/01/2017 | 14:33 uur
Temeer daar het USMC in 2011 al de afgestoten Britse Harriers opgekocht heeft.
Dat doet me vermoeden dat er toen al niet al te veel spares overbleven.
We zijn nu 5 jaar verder en ik denk niet dat ze het nog een tiental jaar zullen volhouden.

De Indiers hebben in 2016 hun laatste Sea Harriers uitgefaseerd.

Zie de link naar Marine Aviation Plan 2016 in Reactie #1203.

De AV-BB(+) Harrier II wordt gemoderniseerd voor gebruik tot 2026/2027.

Overigens is de Sea Harrier niet te vergelijken met de AV-8B(+), tenzij je dit al wist.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 03/01/2017 | 15:10 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 03/01/2017 | 14:42 uur
Zie de link naar Marine Aviation Plan 2016 in Reactie #1203.

De AV-BB(+) Harrier II wordt gemoderniseerd voor gebruik tot 2026/2027.
Wel degelijk gezien...
Dat gaat hen dus een grote bom duiten kosten...
En dat enkel en alleen maar omdat dat F-35 project blijft aanslepen en die kisten zo duur zijn.
Dat is dan meteen ook de enige reden waarom die modernisering er nog komt: er is geen alternatief voor AV-8B / F-35 B.

Citaat van: Sparkplug op 03/01/2017 | 14:42 uur
Overigens is de Sea Harrier niet te vergelijken met de AV-8B(+), tenzij je dit al wist.
Wist ik wel, maar het geeft alvast al goed aan hoe zelfs de Indiers over VSTOL denken nu ze de beschikking over grotere carriers hebben (en dus kunnen overschakelen naar meer capabele toestellen)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 03/01/2017 | 15:17 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/01/2017 | 09:07 uur
Interessant is de verwijzing naar de Spaanse F18 vervanging.
ja...en dan hebben we in Spanje ook nog de AV-8B....die moet minstens tot na 2025 mee.

Ik zou als Duitsland serieus kijken naar de F-35 als vervanging van de Tornado. Al dan niet ook in de B-versie.. zoals de Britten...in mix met geüpgraded Eurofighter Typhoons.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/01/2017 | 15:30 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 03/01/2017 | 15:10 uur
Wist ik wel degelijk, maar het geeft alvast al goed aan hoe de Indiers over VSTOL denken nu ze de beschikking over grotere carriers hebben (en dus kunnen overschakelen naar meer capabele toestellen)

Voor Italië en zeker voor Spanje is het gunstig dat de VS nog even doorgaat met de AV-8B. De drie landen werken gezamenlijk aan de (door)ontwikkeling van de AV-8B. Spanje heeft nog steeds geen vervangingsplannen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/01/2017 | 15:44 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 03/01/2017 | 15:17 uur
ja...en dan hebben we in Spanje ook nog de AV-8B....die moet minstens tot na 2025 mee.

Ik zou als Duitsland serieus kijken naar de F-35 als vervanging van de Tornado. Al dan niet ook in de B-versie.. zoals de Britten...in mix met geüpgraded Eurofighter Typhoons.

Jij wil toch zo graag een Europese oplossing...

Ik ben wel nieuwsgierig naar een Duitse conceptinvulling, het zou zomaar de aanzet kunnen zijn voor de vervanging van zowel de Tornado als de Typhoon...

Je mag immers zo 15-20 jaar verder tellen voordat een concept operationeel rondvliegt waarmee je dan ook ongeveer in de pas loopt met de Amerikaanse inspiraties.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 03/01/2017 | 15:56 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/01/2017 | 15:44 uur
Jij wil toch zo graag een Europese oplossing...
Als dat realistisch is en kan wel ja. Maar nu zoveel EUropese landen de F-35 A en B gaan gebruiken als vooral jachtbommenwerper lijkt me dit een serieuze kandidaat voor het Duitse Tornado-vervangingsprogramma. Doen de Britten ook. Naast het upgraden van hun Typhoons.
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/01/2017 | 15:44 uurIk ben wel nieuwsgierig naar een Duitse conceptinvulling, het zou zomaar de aanzet kunnen zijn voor de vervanging van zowel de Tornado als de Typhoon...

Je mag immers zo 15-20 jaar verder tellen voordat een concept operationeel rondvliegt waarmee je dan ook ongeveer in de pas loopt met de Amerikaanse inspiraties.
Ik denk dat men hier in Europa veel beter alle energie kan steken in de ontwikkeling en bouw van een geavanceerde UCAV voor korte termijn (equivalent Reaper) op korte termijn, een UCAV model nEUROn en dan de opvolger van de Typhoon en Rafale. Als Duitsland een meer (maritieme) expeditionaire focus kiest zou ik daarbij de F-35B ook in beeld houden. Samenwerking zo mogelijk met de Britten en een reeds bestaande (en mogelijk nieuwe..Nederland?!) landen die nu nog de AV8B gebruiken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/01/2017 | 16:12 uur
Als de Duitsers een vervanging gaan ontwikkelen voor louter de Duitse Tornado's, dan wordt vermoedelijk een zeer kostbaar en lastig te realiseren prestige project, zeker afgezet tegen het te verwachten aantal.

Als dit ook de basis zou kunnen zijn, ontwikkeld al dan niet met partners, van een Typhoon opvolger dan hebben we het opeens over een ander aantal en potentiële export kansen.

In de komende periode voorzichtig beginnen met een concept betekend een operationele kist tegen of na 2035, een periode waarin toch ook de Typhoon  en de Rafale vermoedelijk verruild worden tegen een opvolger.

Al te veel langer moet men denk ik in Europa niet wachten met nieuwe ontwikkelingen anders zet men zich gezien mondiale ontwikkelingen (in ieder geval voor export) buitenspel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 03/01/2017 | 16:19 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 03/01/2017 | 11:53 uur
De AV8's moeten er gewoon uit toch?
Hebben die in jou beleving nog operationele meerwaarde, afgezet tegen de kosten?
Operationele meerwaarde ???

AV-8 Harriers die in de Golfoorlog van 1991 vanaf vooruitgeschoven bases opereerden hadden een lagere "sortie generation rate" dan F-16C's die vanaf veel verder gelegen vliegbases opereerden.
De AV-8 Harrier wordt in het US Marines Corps gezien als een marginaal gevechtsvliegtuig, gezien de slechte nuttige lading - bereik verhouding.
De Amerikaanse en Britse Harriers maakten zodoende in Afghanistan ook niet veel klaar.
Twintig jaar geleden leverden ingenieurs die deel uitmaakten van het Harrier ontwerp team grote kritiek op het ASTOVL / JSF STOVL project.
Kostte het hen al veel moeite om een subsonische niet-steelse VTOL jachtbommenwerper te ontwerpen, waar leeggewicht een veel grotere rol speelt dan in een conventioneel CTOL vliegtuig.
Dus ontstond net als de F-16 een zeer compact en een verfijnd, niet bepaald robuust casco, welke (zeer) gevoelig is voor gevechtsschade.

De F-35B is een bakbeest, met zijn aparte grote LiftFan, bijbehorende koppeling, tandwielkast en aandrijf-as, die je qua specificaties ook kunt vinden in een
trein locomotief !
Het Boeing X-32B STOVL test / demo bed had al wapenschachten, maar bleek toen al te zwaar.  De LockMart X-35B STOVL was niet te zwaar, maar ... had echter GEEN relatief zware wapenschachten.
De Harrier ontwerpers hadden kritiek op de LiftFan aandrijving als men deze in een STOL start aanloop zou gaan gebruiken.  En wezen daarbij naar de vergelijkbare Ryan XV-5 Vertifan.   De XV-5 werd aangedreven door 2 J85 motoren uit de F-5 Freedom Fighter.  In plaats van een mechanisch aangedreven LiftFan zoals bij de F-35B werd de XV-5 LiftFan aangedreven door uitlaatgassen, welke veel simpeler is.
zie:  http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/xv-5.htm

De F-35B is niet subsonisch, doch supersonisch, dus heeft een zwaarder casco nodig en de stealth specificaties hebben negatieve invloed op aërodynamica, massa (ca. 650 kg aan radar absorberende materialen) en kosten.
Officieel heeft de F-35B heden een bereik dat iets ligt onder de 400 nautical miles / 740 km, is officiel 25 % lager dan van de F-35A.
In werkelijkheid zal de vliegduur net onder de 45 minuten liggen, in kilometers circa 550 km, of te wel een actieradius van rond de 275 km.
Dit is vergelijkbaar met de Hawker Hunter in air-to-ground configuratie.

Hoeveel sorties kan die F-35B LightningII op een dag vliegen ?
Uhh, slechts 1 per ... 2 dagen.

'Succes' met de VTOL / STOVL mythe.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 03/01/2017 | 17:07 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 03/01/2017 | 16:19 uur
...

'Succes' met de VTOL / STOVL mythe.
En toch gaan de F-35B er zoals het er naar uit ziet gewoon komen...en vallen de te verwachten (Trump) klappen bij de F-35A en C. Ook de Britten gaan er helemaal voor en dus mee door. Ook Spanje en Italianen willen ze voor vervanging van hun huidige Harriers. Dat lijkt me de realiteit om mee te werken hier.

Hoewel geen ideaal toestel wordt de Harrier nu ook bij Libië door de Amerikanen ingezet tegen IS-elementen daar vanaf een LHD. Zeker als je op veel plaatsen tegelijk inzet nodig hebt zoals nu vind ik het een acceptabele oplossing. Je kunt immers niet overal vliegdekschepen inzetten bij gebrek daaraan of je afhankelijk maken van lokale vliegvelden of lange-afstand-vluchten met bommenwerpers of met tanktoestellen. Van welke laatste we er ook te weinig hebben trouwens. En je zult toch een antwoord moeten vinden voor de grote en veelzijdige luchtsteun behoefte en als antwoord op de groeiende SSM dreiging tegen je vlootverbanden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 03/01/2017 | 17:15 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 03/01/2017 | 15:56 uur
Als Duitsland een meer (maritieme) expeditionaire focus kiest zou ik daarbij de F-35B ook in beeld houden. Samenwerking zo mogelijk met de Britten en een reeds bestaande (en mogelijk nieuwe..Nederland?!) landen die nu nog de AV8B gebruiken.

Dat is met Duitsland wel een enorm grote ''als'' daar de Marine aldaar op dit moment n.m.m. nog behoorlijk het ondergeschoven kindje is. Het lijkt mij in ieder geval bijzonder onwaarschijnlijk.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/01/2017 | 17:33 uur
Citaat van: Mourning op 03/01/2017 | 17:15 uur
Dat is met Duitsland wel een enorm grote ''als'' daar de Marine aldaar op dit moment n.m.m. nog behoorlijk het ondergeschoven kindje is. Het lijkt mij in ieder geval bijzonder onwaarschijnlijk.

Het zou wat zijn als MFG1 en MFG2 van de Marineflieger weer fast jets zouden krijgen. De kans is inderdaad zeer klein.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 03/01/2017 | 18:45 uur
Citaat van: Mourning op 03/01/2017 | 17:15 uur
Dat is met Duitsland wel een enorm grote ''als'' daar de Marine aldaar op dit moment n.m.m. nog behoorlijk het ondergeschoven kindje is. Het lijkt mij in ieder geval bijzonder onwaarschijnlijk.


Tenzij de Duitsers er een speerpunt van maken en eigenlijk een oorlogspreparatie starten, zie ik dat er se komende 20 jaar niet van komen, en dat is als ze het willen, wat m.i. Nog maar de vraag is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 03/01/2017 | 18:46 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 03/01/2017 | 17:33 uur
Het zou wat zijn als MFG1 en MFG2 van de Marineflieger weer fast jets zouden krijgen. De kans is inderdaad zeer klein.

Dat zou nog wel kunnen, maar opereren vanaf schepen is nog heel wat stappen verder.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2017 | 09:13 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 03/01/2017 | 15:56 uur
Als dat realistisch is en kan wel ja. Maar nu zoveel EUropese landen de F-35 A en B gaan gebruiken als vooral jachtbommenwerper lijkt me dit een serieuze kandidaat voor het Duitse Tornado-vervangingsprogramma. Doen de Britten ook.

Los van een waardeoordeel:

In Duitstalige reacties onder het art. heeft men het over de F35 waar men gezien haar capaciteiten (wapenlast) minder enthousiast over is... Wel ziet men mogelijkheden voor de F15SE als alternatief voor een eigen ontwikkeling.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/01/2017 | 10:13 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2017 | 09:13 uur
Los van een waardeoordeel:

In Duitstalige reacties onder het art. heeft men het over de F35 waar men gezien haar capaciteiten (wapenlast) minder enthousiast over is... Wel ziet men mogelijkheden voor de F15SE als alternatief voor een eigen ontwikkeling.

Hoe serieus moet men de F-15SE nog nemen? Tot nog toe worden alleen gemoderniseerde uitvoeringen van de F-15E (F-15I, F-15SA, enz.) geleverd. Sommige uitvoeringen hebben twee extra vleugelophangpunten erbij gekregen, maar daar blijft het qua uiterlijke aanpassingen bij.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2017 | 10:24 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 04/01/2017 | 10:13 uur
Hoe serieus moet men de F-15SE nog nemen? Tot nog toe worden alleen gemoderniseerde uitvoeringen van de F-15E (F-15I, F-15SA, enz.) geleverd. Sommige uitvoeringen hebben twee extra vleugelophangpunten erbij gekregen, maar daar blijft het qua uiterlijke aanpassingen bij.

Geen idee... volgens mij is er één concept exemplaar door Boeing (voor eigen rekening) gebouwd en zijn de plannen, na het verlies van de Zuid Koreaanse competitie, weer de koelkast ingeschoven.

Als een klant zich meld dat zijn deze natuurlijk snel weer te reactiveren zolang de F15 productielijn nog open is.

Als Trump de F35 werkelijk de weg van de F111 zou willen laten bewandelen dan kan er nog wel eens het e.e.a. veranderen in de F15 toekomst.

Op zich is een nieuwe F15 variant als Tornado vervanger geen straf, maar ik zou ook het Duitse initiatief een kans willen geven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/01/2017 | 10:49 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 04/01/2017 | 12:03 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2017 | 09:13 uur
Los van een waardeoordeel:

In Duitstalige reacties onder het art. heeft men het over de F35 waar men gezien haar capaciteiten (wapenlast) minder enthousiast over is... Wel ziet men mogelijkheden voor de F15SE als alternatief voor een eigen ontwikkeling.

Of vervangen door een mix van extra Typhoons en UAV's.
Een Rafale of Gripen zou ook interessant kunnen zijn. De Polen zijn ook nog op zoek naar een vervangen voor de SU22, dus wie weet werken slaan ze de handen ineen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 04/01/2017 | 12:15 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 03/01/2017 | 12:41 uur
Zie Marine Aviation Plan 2016 (https://marinecorpsconceptsandprograms.com/sites/default/files/files/Marine%20Aviation%20Plan%202016%20FINAL.pdf).

Volgens de planning op pagina 38 zal het laatste AV-8B(+) Harrier II squadron (VMA-231) in FY26 stoppen.

De laatste F/A-18A-D Hornets zullen zij tot FY30 gebruiken.

Wachten op Marine Aviation Plan 2017 de komende weken.

Ja, ik bedoelde meer het vermoeden dat de belangrijkste reden is om deze toestellen te behouden als een soort kraamkamer voor de F35B. Als de F35B niet op de planning stond hadden ze er allemaal nu wel ongeveer uit gekund. De toestellen zijn operationeel en conceptueel verouderd.

Citaat van: Poleme op 03/01/2017 | 16:19 uur
Operationele meerwaarde ???

AV-8 Harriers die in de Golfoorlog van 1991 vanaf vooruitgeschoven bases opereerden hadden een lagere "sortie generation rate" dan F-16C's die vanaf veel verder gelegen vliegbases opereerden.
De AV-8 Harrier wordt in het US Marines Corps gezien als een marginaal gevechtsvliegtuig, gezien de slechte nuttige lading - bereik verhouding.
De Amerikaanse en Britse Harriers maakten zodoende in Afghanistan ook niet veel klaar.
Twintig jaar geleden leverden ingenieurs die deel uitmaakten van het Harrier ontwerp team grote kritiek op het ASTOVL / JSF STOVL project.
Kostte het hen al veel moeite om een subsonische niet-steelse VTOL jachtbommenwerper te ontwerpen, waar leeggewicht een veel grotere rol speelt dan in een conventioneel CTOL vliegtuig.
Dus ontstond net als de F-16 een zeer compact en een verfijnd, niet bepaald robuust casco, welke (zeer) gevoelig is voor gevechtsschade.

De F-35B is een bakbeest, met zijn aparte grote LiftFan, bijbehorende koppeling, tandwielkast en aandrijf-as, die je qua specificaties ook kunt vinden in een
trein locomotief !
Het Boeing X-32B STOVL test / demo bed had al wapenschachten, maar bleek toen al te zwaar.  De LockMart X-35B STOVL was niet te zwaar, maar ... had echter GEEN relatief zware wapenschachten.
De Harrier ontwerpers hadden kritiek op de LiftFan aandrijving als men deze in een STOL start aanloop zou gaan gebruiken.  En wezen daarbij naar de vergelijkbare Ryan XV-5 Vertifan.   De XV-5 werd aangedreven door 2 J85 motoren uit de F-5 Freedom Fighter.  In plaats van een mechanisch aangedreven LiftFan zoals bij de F-35B werd de XV-5 LiftFan aangedreven door uitlaatgassen, welke veel simpeler is.
zie:  http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/xv-5.htm

De F-35B is niet subsonisch, doch supersonisch, dus heeft een zwaarder casco nodig en de stealth specificaties hebben negatieve invloed op aërodynamica, massa (ca. 650 kg aan radar absorberende materialen) en kosten.
Officieel heeft de F-35B heden een bereik dat iets ligt onder de 400 nautical miles / 740 km, is officiel 25 % lager dan van de F-35A.
In werkelijkheid zal de vliegduur net onder de 45 minuten liggen, in kilometers circa 550 km, of te wel een actieradius van rond de 275 km.
Dit is vergelijkbaar met de Hawker Hunter in air-to-ground configuratie.

Hoeveel sorties kan die F-35B LightningII op een dag vliegen ?
Uhh, slechts 1 per ... 2 dagen.

'Succes' met de VTOL / STOVL mythe.

Zoiets ongeveer ja. Die F35B zie ik ook nog steeds totaal niet zitten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 04/01/2017 | 12:24 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 04/01/2017 | 10:49 uur


Dit zijn van die toffe hippe filmpjes waar ik dus eigenlijk helemaal niet blij van wordt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/01/2017 | 12:56 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 04/01/2017 | 12:24 uur
Dit zijn van die toffe hippe filmpjes waar ik dus eigenlijk helemaal niet blij van wordt.

Nee, dat dan weer niet. Zie ook onderstaand artikel voor meer info.

Chinese aircraft carrier conducts flight operations in South China Sea with J-15 fighters (http://www.janes.com/article/66660/chinese-aircraft-carrier-conducts-flight-operations-in-south-china-sea-with-j-15-fighters)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 04/01/2017 | 13:49 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 04/01/2017 | 12:03 uur
Of vervangen door een mix van extra Typhoons en UAV's.
Een Rafale of Gripen zou ook interessant kunnen zijn. De Polen zijn ook nog op zoek naar een vervangen voor de SU22, dus wie weet werken slaan ze de handen ineen.
Ik denk dat de benodigde UCAV technologie (Barracuda, Taranis en nEUROn) nog niet ver genoeg ontwikkeld is..en meer een testplatform.. voor zo'n mix met de Typhoons. Lijkt me meer iets voor een mix met haar opvolger. En Polen's aankoopbeleid ziende zou het me niets verbazen als die hun SU-22 vervangen door de F-35. En gezien de weer als groot ervaren kwetsbaarheid van hun vliegvelden zou een F-35B ook nog wel eens in beeld kunnen komen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2017 | 14:01 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 04/01/2017 | 13:49 uur
Ik denk dat de benodigde UCAV technologie (Barracuda en nEUROn) nog niet ver genoeg ontwikkeld is..en meer een testplatform.. voor zo'n mix met de Typhoons. Lijkt me meer iets voor een mix met haar opvolger.


Dem Bericht zufolge benötigt die deutsche und die spanische Luftwaffe über 100 neue Kampfflugzeuge. Diese würden den Kern des neuen Waffensystems bilden, das ab 2035 die alternden Flotten der Bundeswehr und der spanischen Luftwaffe ersetzen und den Eurofighter ergänzen sollen.

http://www.aero.de/news-25743/Plaene-fuer-Tornado-Nachfolger-nehmen-Gestalt-an.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 04/01/2017 | 15:42 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2017 | 09:13 uur
Los van een waardeoordeel:

In Duitstalige reacties onder het art. heeft men het over de F35 waar men gezien haar capaciteiten (wapenlast) minder enthousiast over is... Wel ziet men mogelijkheden voor de F15SE als alternatief voor een eigen ontwikkeling.
Met de wapenlast van de F-35A is niets mis mee.  En dat komt dan van een Tornado gebruiker.  Hahaha, de Britse Tornado's die vanaf het op ca. 900 meter boven zee niveau gelegen Kandahar opereerden konden minder meenemen dan de Harriers vanaf dat veld.
De Tornado, 2x zo zwaar als een F-16A block 5 en circa 4x zo duur, maar heeft een actie radius vergelijkbaar met de multi-functionele F-16C block 50/52.
'Wat een eclatant succes.'

Type                    fuel fraction (= totale interne peut / totale interne peut + leeggewicht, deze parameter geeft een goede indicatie van het bereik)
Tornado DE/IT          0,2518                                                                                                100     (= index)
Tornado UK              0,2684    (Britse Tornado's hebben een extra 551 l. in het kielvlak)          106,6
F-16C                      0,2755    (met F100 motor)                                                                  106,6
F-16C                      0,2674    (met F110 motor)                                                                  106,2
F-15E Strike Eagle    0,2928                                                                                                116,3
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2017 | 16:00 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 04/01/2017 | 15:42 uur
'Wat een eclatant succes.'


Het is destijds dan ook een goede keuze van Nederland geweest om uit het Tornado project te stappen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/01/2017 | 16:06 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2017 | 16:00 uur
Het is destijds dan ook een goede keuze van Nederland geweest om uit het Tornado project te stappen.

Afgezien van de eigenschappen was het voor Nederland erg kostbaar om de IDS uitvoering te kopen. Laat staan de ADV uitvoering voor een volledige Tornado vloot.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 04/01/2017 | 16:34 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 04/01/2017 | 13:49 uur
Ik denk dat de benodigde UCAV technologie (Barracuda, Taranis en nEUROn) nog niet ver genoeg ontwikkeld is..en meer een testplatform.. voor zo'n mix met de Typhoons. Lijkt me meer iets voor een mix met haar opvolger. En Polen's aankoopbeleid ziende zou het me niets verbazen als die hun SU-22 vervangen door de F-35. En gezien de weer als groot ervaren kwetsbaarheid van hun vliegvelden zou een F-35B ook nog wel eens in beeld kunnen komen.
De Europese UCAV's zijn inderdaad nog Technology Demonstrators.  'Beetje jammer' dat Europa weer 3 aparte UCAV projecten moet opzetten.  De X-47B heeft al wapens afgeworpen, in de lucht bijgetankt en heeft laten zien vanaf vliegdekschepen te kunnen opereren.
Forza (voortwaarts) met die Taranis en nEuroN dan.

Vroegah, vond ik de VTOL Harrier ook een mooi idee.  Maar ideeën kunnen het observatie-vermogen danig in de weg zitten.
In de jaren 80 heb ik RAF Harriers in het vooruitgeschoven veld aan het werk gezien tijdens een grote NAVO oefening.
Maar ... woep, woep, woep, wat was het druk met van die VTOL 'vrachtwagens' beter bekend als CH-47 Chinooks.
De Britten hadden hun totale Chinook vloot nodig om alle vooruitgeschoven GR.3 Harriers te ondersteunen.   ;)
Die GR.3 Harriers hadden geen radar, alleen maar een laser afstandmeter en namen intern slechts 2.295 kg / 2.947 liter peut mee.
Naast 1 30mm kanon in een gondel, in de andere gondel zat inmiddels een ECM apparaat.  Nam de GR.3 1 a 2 500 ponders of 19 schots raket pods met 68 mm raketten mee, die handmatig geladen konden worden.
In de F-35B gaat echter 6.044,22 kg / 7.759 liter interne peut en is veel complexer met zijn diverse sensoren en fysiek veel groter.

De toenmalige GR.3 Harriers vlogen niet alleen van verharde baantjes, maar ook van een grasveld.
Daarin was de Harrier helemaal niet uniek, want in dezelfde oefening vlogen Jaguars met hun uit de kluiten gewassen 6-wielige landingsgestellen ook van grasbanen.
Zij namen dezelfde wapenlast mee, om die na 5 a 10 minuten / 90 - 180 km verderop af te werpen.

De US Marines hebben de F-35B al eens getest in een vooruitgeschoven / expeditionaire positie.
Om een verharde landingpad van 40,800 vierkante voet / 3.795 vierkante meter aan te leggen hadden ze al 17 dagen nodig.
Net als de Harrier zal de F-35B nooit in een oorlogsmissie verticaal gaan starten.
De Harrier heeft geen moeite met gras, aluminium matten, gewoon beton, asfalt of klinkers.   De F-35B heeft echter speciale hitte bestendige banen nodig.
Voor deze landingpad waren circa 800 panelen nodig die in totaal ongeveer 54,4 ton wogen.

En ... hoe gaan we de gevoelige radar absorberende coatings op de F-35B instandhouden ?   Dat wordt een uitdaging.

Om beschadigde startbanen te repareren bestaat er zoiets als Rapid Runway Repair ploegen.
Oeps, wegbezuinigd, maar deze konden wel snel runways herstellen.
Effectief een vliegbasis uitschakelen doe je dan ook niet door de startbanen aan te grijpen, maar door Small Diameter Bombs door die shelter daken te gooien.

Investeer liever in een Flycatcher 2.0.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 04/01/2017 | 17:19 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 04/01/2017 | 16:34 uur
De Europese UCAV's zijn inderdaad nog Technology Demonstrators.  'Beetje jammer' dat Europa weer 3 aparte UCAV projecten moet opzetten.  De X-47B heeft al wapens afgeworpen, in de lucht bijgetankt en heeft laten zien vanaf vliegdekschepen te kunnen opereren.
Forza (voortwaarts) met die Taranis en nEuroN dan.

Vroegah, vond ik de VTOL Harrier ook een mooi idee.  Maar ideeën kunnen het observatie-vermogen danig in de weg zitten.
In de jaren 80 heb ik RAF Harriers in het vooruitgeschoven veld aan het werk gezien tijdens een grote NAVO oefening.
Maar ... woep, woep, woep, wat was het druk met van die VTOL 'vrachtwagens' beter bekend als CH-47 Chinooks.
De Britten hadden hun totale Chinook vloot nodig om alle vooruitgeschoven GR.3 Harriers te ondersteunen.   ;)
Die GR.3 Harriers hadden geen radar, alleen maar een laser afstandmeter en namen intern slechts 2.295 kg / 2.947 liter peut mee.
Naast 1 30mm kanon in een gondel, in de andere gondel zat inmiddels een ECM apparaat.  Nam de GR.3 1 a 2 500 ponders of 19 schots raket pods met 68 mm raketten mee, die handmatig geladen konden worden.
In de F-35B gaat echter 6.044,22 kg / 7.759 liter interne peut en is veel complexer met zijn diverse sensoren en fysiek veel groter.

De toenmalige GR.3 Harriers vlogen niet alleen van verharde baantjes, maar ook van een grasveld.
Daarin was de Harrier helemaal niet uniek, want in dezelfde oefening vlogen Jaguars met hun uit de kluiten gewassen 6-wielige landingsgestellen ook van grasbanen.
Zij namen dezelfde wapenlast mee, om die na 5 a 10 minuten / 90 - 180 km verderop af te werpen.

De US Marines hebben de F-35B al eens getest in een vooruitgeschoven / expeditionaire positie.
Om een verharde landingpad van 40,800 vierkante voet / 3.795 vierkante meter aan te leggen hadden ze al 17 dagen nodig.
Net als de Harrier zal de F-35B nooit in een oorlogsmissie verticaal gaan starten.
De Harrier heeft geen moeite met gras, aluminium matten, gewoon beton, asfalt of klinkers.   De F-35B heeft echter speciale hitte bestendige banen nodig.
Voor deze landingpad waren circa 800 panelen nodig die in totaal ongeveer 54,4 ton wogen.

En ... hoe gaan we de gevoelige radar absorberende coatings op de F-35B instandhouden ?   Dat wordt een uitdaging.

Om beschadigde startbanen te repareren bestaat er zoiets als Rapid Runway Repair ploegen.
Oeps, wegbezuinigd, maar deze konden wel snel runways herstellen.
Effectief een vliegbasis uitschakelen doe je dan ook niet door de startbanen aan te grijpen, maar door Small Diameter Bombs door die shelter daken te gooien.

Investeer liever in een Flycatcher 2.0.
Ja de Europeanen lopen achter met hun UCAV ontwikkeling. Hopelijk krijgt het door de nieuwe spanningen met Rusland ook wat "haast". Bekend met zowel tekortkomingen van de Harrier als die van de F-35B. En toch stroomt die laatste nu in bij de Amerikanen en Britten. Poolse vrees voor aanvallen op hun vliegvelden kwam ik enige tijd terug tegen in een artikel. Toevallig eenzelfde soort boodschap in een artikel over situatie Singapore. Gaat dan niet over geïmproviseerde grasbanen maar vooraf geprepareerde stukken snelweg en parkeerplaatsen. Ik verwacht echter dat in zowel de Duitse als Poolse situatie men primair zal kijken naar de A versie. Die denk ik de Duitse Tornado (en Spaanse F-18) goed kan vervangen. Het lijkt me niet logisch daar nu nog een apart toestel voor te ontwikkelen. Ook niet gezien de grote achterstand, tekorten en boeggolf aan vervangingsprogramma's die nog moeten worden afgewerkt de komende jaren. Besteed dan de extra middelen en energie verstandig. Niet aan ontwikkelen nieuw toestel. Een Duits uitstapje naar de F-35 B-versie is meer iets bij een meer expeditionaire visie voor de Bundeswehr. Daar zijn ook signalen en eerste ontwikkelingen van zichtbaar..of dat serieus wordt en doorgezet is afwachten. Duitsland worstelt nog met haar leidende rol in Europa en de wereld.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 04/01/2017 | 17:26 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2017 | 14:01 uur
Dem Bericht zufolge benötigt die deutsche und die spanische Luftwaffe über 100 neue Kampfflugzeuge. Diese würden den Kern des neuen Waffensystems bilden, das ab 2035 die alternden Flotten der Bundeswehr und der spanischen Luftwaffe ersetzen und den Eurofighter ergänzen sollen.

http://www.aero.de/news-25743/Plaene-fuer-Tornado-Nachfolger-nehmen-Gestalt-an.html
De Eurofighter is al geen succes gebleken bij de Spanjaarden:
- te koop stellen van Tranche 1 toestellen,
- stelden de aankoop/levering van nieuwere tranches uit.
Er is zelfs een artikel in de pers verschenen dat van de 38 (of zo) stuks EF die ze nog hadden er slechts 6 inzetbaar waren...
Dat er zelfs sprake was van het reactiveren van F-18s

Om dan  te verkondigen dat ze vervangen zullen worden... Nu ja, 2036 is nog ver weg. Tegen dan herleeft de ESP economie en is alles weer OK onder de zon. :cute-smile:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2017 | 17:31 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 04/01/2017 | 17:19 uur
Het lijkt me niet logisch daar nu nog een apart toestel voor te ontwikkelen. Ook niet gezien de grote achterstand, tekorten en boeggolf aan vervangingsprogramma's die nog moeten worden afgewerkt de komende jaren. Besteed dan de extra middelen en energie verstandig. Niet aan ontwikkelen nieuw toestel.

Aan de andere kant.... het zou de noodzakelijke start kunnen beteken van een eerste Europese volgende generatie kist, iets waar Europa vs de rest van de wereld zwaar op achter loopt en zelfs het risico neemt de connectie volledig te verliezen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 04/01/2017 | 18:06 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2017 | 17:31 uur
Aan de andere kant.... het zou de noodzakelijke start kunnen beteken van een eerste Europese volgende generatie kist, iets waar Europa vs de rest van de wereld zwaar op achter loopt en zelfs het risico neemt de connectie volledig te verliezen.
Ik denk dat de Europese landen gewoon op tijd moeten beginnen met het vervangingsproject voor de Eurofighter Typhoon en Rafale. Dat is denk ik snel genoeg. De Typhoon en Rafale staan hun mannetje nog wel even..ook tegen de zogenaamde 5de generatie toestellen van Rusland en China. De prestaties vergeleken met de F-22 en F-35 zijn ook niet slecht...al heeft die laatste wel weer extra voordelen die denk ik bij de vervanging van de Tornado interessant zijn. Maar een Duitse alleingang is nog steeds bij meer wapenprojecten zichtbaar..dus mogelijk gaat men hier toch iets nieuws bouwen. Jammer.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2017 | 18:19 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 04/01/2017 | 18:06 uur
Ik denk dat de Europese landen gewoon op tijd moeten beginnen met het vervangingsproject voor de Eurofighter Typhoon en Rafale. Dat is denk ik snel genoeg.

Neem 20 jaar van gedachte tot operationeel volwaardig inzetbaar (2037), de tijd is dus nu.

Daarnaast zullen de Duitsers vast op zoek gaan naar partners, en hopelijk is dan één land leidend zodat het ook 1 type wordt zonder 10 varianten.

Jij wil toch zo graag Europees.... vermoord dan niet op voorhand een interessant initiatief.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 04/01/2017 | 18:43 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2017 | 18:19 uur
Neem 20 jaar van gedachte tot operationeel volwaardig inzetbaar (2037), de tijd is dus nu.

Daarnaast zullen de Duitsers vast op zoek gaan naar partners, en hopelijk is dan één land leidend zodat het ook 1 type wordt zonder 10 varianten.

Jij wil toch zo graag Europees.... vermoord dan niet op voorhand een interessant initiatief.
Als vervanging van de Typhoon en Rafale ja. Niet eerder. Inzetten op die vervanger en een geavanceerde UCAV.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2017 | 18:59 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 04/01/2017 | 18:43 uur
Als vervanging van de Typhoon en Rafale ja. Niet eerder. Inzetten op die vervanger en een geavanceerde UCAV.

Wellicht is dit een prima aanzet om genoemde modellen te vervangen immers dezen zullen rond 2035/40 moeten worden vervagen dus is er geen tijd te verliezen, daarnaast weten we nog nauwelijks iets over dit beoogde initiatief... dus wachten met een conclusie is wel zo raadzaam.

Bedenk ook dat het orderboekje voor Airbus EF Typhoon in rap tempo opdroogt, desastreus voor een fighter programma als je kennis wegloopt.

Natuurlijk moet er gewerkt worden aan een geavanceerde UCAV maar daar wordt blijkbaar goed op ingezet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 04/01/2017 | 19:00 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 04/01/2017 | 17:26 uur
De Eurofighter is al geen succes gebleken bij de Spanjaarden:
- te koop stellen van Tranche 1 toestellen,
- stelden de aankoop/levering van nieuwere tranches uit.
Er is zelfs een artikel in de pers verschenen dat van de 38 (of zo) stuks EF die ze nog hadden er slechts 6 inzetbaar waren...
Dat er zelfs sprake was van het reactiveren van F-18s

Om dan  te verkondigen dat ze vervangen zullen worden... Nu ja, 2036 is nog ver weg. Tegen dan herleeft de ESP economie en is alles weer OK onder de zon. :cute-smile:

De T1 toestellen hebben ook wat beperkingen door de design die te duur zijn om aan te passen. De Block 20 toestellen hebben goede capaciteiten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 04/01/2017 | 20:38 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 04/01/2017 | 12:56 uur
Nee, dat dan weer niet. Zie ook onderstaand artikel voor meer info.

Chinese aircraft carrier conducts flight operations in South China Sea with J-15 fighters (http://www.janes.com/article/66660/chinese-aircraft-carrier-conducts-flight-operations-in-south-china-sea-with-j-15-fighters)

Nu zijn carrier ops nooit een sinecure, maar op dit filmpje zie je wel goed het relatief kleine dek met de relatief grote kisten, respect voor die vliegers.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 04/01/2017 | 21:59 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 04/01/2017 | 20:38 uur
Nu zijn carrier ops nooit een sinecure, maar op dit filmpje zie je wel goed het relatief kleine dek met de relatief grote kisten, respect voor die vliegers.
Het filmpje laat wel zien hoe klein dat dek
Idd.
In vgl met de Amerikaanse carriers is dit ook stukken kleiner. Maar die hebben dan weer een pak meer toestellen - ook aan dek.

Het zal "fun" worden wanneer de Chinezen met een flatdek met katapulten aanrukken...
Deze eerste is om wat te spelen en ervaring op te doen (en de Russen zijn nog steeds niet verder gekomen dan juist dat).
Maar de volgende liggen al in de droogdokken, geassembleerd te worden...
Hier en daar kan je al foto's zien. Vooralsnog lijkt de volgende (2de) weer met zo'n skijump uitgerust te worden.
Maar het is slechts een kwestie van tijd voor ze met de katapulten komen. Google: "china catapult carrier"
Een 3de die in aanbouw is zou al in aanmerking komen voor cats.
Ze hebben zelfs al een startbaan aan land voorzien van cats en traps. Daarbij wordt hier en daar ook al emals vermeld, maar daarvan heb ik nog geen "bewijzen" gezien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 05/01/2017 | 10:58 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2017 | 18:19 uur
Neem 20 jaar van gedachte tot operationeel volwaardig inzetbaar (2037), de tijd is dus nu.

Daarnaast zullen de Duitsers vast op zoek gaan naar partners, en hopelijk is dan één land leidend zodat het ook 1 type wordt zonder 10 varianten.

Jij (Elenga) wil toch zo graag Europees.... vermoord dan niet op voorhand een interessant initiatief.
2037 ?

Wat is ook al weer het meest succesvolle Europese jachtvliegtuig ooit gebouwd ?

Alleen de Amerikanen, Britten en Fransen vlogen niet met dit type.

Antwoord: F-104G Super Starfighter,  ja Super Starfighter ja, want dat is de officiële volledige naam.

De RAF had al in 1972 een Air Staff Target 403 opgezet ter vervanging van de Harrier en vooral Jaguar en F-4M Phantom.
In 1981 zag ik op een luchtvaart beurs in Hannover een mock-up (model op ware grote) staan van het TKF 90, Taktischer Kampf Flugzeug neunziger Jahre.
De Britten met hun P.106 en P.110 en de Fransen met hun ACX lieten artist impression's zien van hun toekomstige jachtvliegtuigen.
De 4 ontwerpen weken nogal van elkaar af.  De Duitsers, Britten en Italianen zochten vooral een "air superiority fighter" die de F-4F, F-4M en het '104' kon vervangen.
Frankrijk was voornamelijk op zoek naar een jachtbommenwerper die vooral de Jaguar en Entendard moest vervangen.
Dus probeerden het VK, Duitsland en Italia begin jaren 80 samen het Agile Combat Aircraft (ACA) te ontwikkelen, maar dat liep op niets uit.
Vervolgens kwam het Future European Fighter Aircraft (FEFA) programma in 1983 met bovengenoemde 3 landen en Frankrijk, maar Frankrijk wilde het ontwerp leiderschap en 50% van de productie voor zijn rekening nemen.  Frankrijk stapte in 1985 uit, want de andere landen waren het daar niet mee eens.
In 1986 vloog de EAP, Experimental Aircraft Programm Technology Demonstrator.  Voornamelijk gebouwd door BAE en een klein deel door het Duitse MBB en Aeritalia.
Spanje stapte vervolgens in het Eurofighter consortium.
Vervolgens maakte de eerste Typhoon zijn eerste vlucht op 27 maart 1994 en die zag er niet veel anders uit dan die mock-up uit 1981 en de EAP.
Toch duurde het nog tot 5 april 2002 voor het eerste Instrumented Production Aircraft in Italia zijn eerste vlucht maakte.
En pas in de lente van 2004 kwam de Typhoon werkelijk in operationele dienst.

Qua toegepaste technologie en vaardigheden zijn de Euro canards ruwweg vergelijkbaar met onze F-16AM/BM's of F-16C block 50/52's.

Waar zijn de Air Staff Targets , een TKF-2030 / 2035, een ACX, of een ACA voor 2035 ???

Het traject voor een Typhoon en Rafale vervanger kan zomaar 32 jaar duren.

Of ... dat Super Starfighter 'raspaard' in gedachte houdende kunnen we dan niet beter bij het F/A-XX aansluiten ?

Een vreemde gedachte ?  Welnee.
In het F-16A/B project mochten de Europese klanten al een beetje meedenken met het ontwerp en deze kist werd uiteindelijk co-geproduceerd door de VS, samen met Nederland, Belgie, Noorwegen, Denemarken, Turkije en Israel.
In het JSF project mogen diverse landen niet alleen mee produceren maar ook mee ontwerpen.
De Britten zijn Niveau 1 parter in het JSF project en nemen deel in circa 10% van de oorspronkelijke totale ontwikkelingskosten, de Italianen en Nederlands doen mee op Niveau 2 (ca. 2% van de ontwikkelingskosten) en de Denen en Noren draaien mee op Niveau 3.

In een nieuw jachtvliegtuig project gaan we die participatie nog eens vergroten.  Stel je eens voor dat de Britten, Duitsers en Fransen voor elk 12 - 15 % deelnemen in het F/A XX, Italia en Spanje voor ieder zeg 6 - 8 % en de Amerikanen nemen de rest op zich.

Een andere weg is de Amerikanen de F/A XX zelf laten ontwikkelen.  En net als bij de F-104G Super Starfighter, F-15I Ra 'am, F-16I Sufa en F-35I Adir, ontwikkelen de EUropese landen een eigen versie van dat Amerikaanse ontwerp, die volledig in Europa zal worden gebouwd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/01/2017 | 11:11 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 05/01/2017 | 10:58 uur
De Britten met hun P.106 en P.110 en de Fransen met hun ACX lieten artist impression's zien van hun toekomstige jachtvliegtuigen.
De 4 ontwerpen weken nogal van elkaar af.  De Duitsers, Britten en Italianen zochten vooral een "air superiority fighter" die de F-4F, F-4M en het '104' kon vervangen.
Frankrijk was voornamelijk op zoek naar een jachtbommenwerper die vooral de Jaguar en Entendard moest vervangen.

Een vraag over de ACX. Was deze ook vanaf het begin beoogd als de opvolger van de F-8E(FN)/F-8P Crusader?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/01/2017 | 11:37 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 05/01/2017 | 10:58 uur
2037 ?

Wat is ook al weer het meest succesvolle Europese jachtvliegtuig ooit gebouwd ?

Alleen de Amerikanen, Britten en Fransen vlogen niet met dit type.

Antwoord: F-104G Super Starfighter,  ja Super Starfighter ja, want dat is de officiële volledige naam.

De RAF had al in 1972 een Air Staff Target 403 opgezet ter vervanging van de Harrier en vooral Jaguar en F-4M Phantom.
In 1981 zag ik op een luchtvaart beurs in Hannover een mock-up (model op ware grote) staan van het TKF 90, Taktischer Kampf Flugzeug neunziger Jahre.
De Britten met hun P.106 en P.110 en de Fransen met hun ACX lieten artist impression's zien van hun toekomstige jachtvliegtuigen.
De 4 ontwerpen weken nogal van elkaar af.  De Duitsers, Britten en Italianen zochten vooral een "air superiority fighter" die de F-4F, F-4M en het '104' kon vervangen.
Frankrijk was voornamelijk op zoek naar een jachtbommenwerper die vooral de Jaguar en Entendard moest vervangen.
Dus probeerden het VK, Duitsland en Italia begin jaren 80 samen het Agile Combat Aircraft (ACA) te ontwikkelen, maar dat liep op niets uit.
Vervolgens kwam het Future European Fighter Aircraft (FEFA) programma in 1983 met bovengenoemde 3 landen en Frankrijk, maar Frankrijk wilde het ontwerp leiderschap en 50% van de productie voor zijn rekening nemen.  Frankrijk stapte in 1985 uit, want de andere landen waren het daar niet mee eens.
In 1986 vloog de EAP, Experimental Aircraft Programm Technology Demonstrator.  Voornamelijk gebouwd door BAE en een klein deel door het Duitse MBB en Aeritalia.
Spanje stapte vervolgens in het Eurofighter consortium.
Vervolgens maakte de eerste Typhoon zijn eerste vlucht op 27 maart 1994 en die zag er niet veel anders uit dan die mock-up uit 1981 en de EAP.
Toch duurde het nog tot 5 april 2002 voor het eerste Instrumented Production Aircraft in Italia zijn eerste vlucht maakte.
En pas in de lente van 2004 kwam de Typhoon werkelijk in operationele dienst.

Qua toegepaste technologie en vaardigheden zijn de Euro canards ruwweg vergelijkbaar met onze F-16AM/BM's of F-16C block 50/52's.

Waar zijn de Air Staff Targets , een TKF-2030 / 2035, een ACX, of een ACA voor 2035 ???

Het traject voor een Typhoon en Rafale vervanger kan zomaar 32 jaar duren.

Of ... dat Super Starfighter 'raspaard' in gedachte houdende kunnen we dan niet beter bij het F/A-XX aansluiten ?

Een vreemde gedachte ?  Welnee.
In het F-16A/B project mochten de Europese klanten al een beetje meedenken met het ontwerp en deze kist werd uiteindelijk co-geproduceerd door de VS, samen met Nederland, Belgie, Noorwegen, Denemarken, Turkije en Israel.
In het JSF project mogen diverse landen niet alleen mee produceren maar ook mee ontwerpen.
De Britten zijn Niveau 1 parter in het JSF project en nemen deel in circa 10% van de oorspronkelijke totale ontwikkelingskosten, de Italianen en Nederlands doen mee op Niveau 2 (ca. 2% van de ontwikkelingskosten) en de Denen en Noren draaien mee op Niveau 3.

In een nieuw jachtvliegtuig project gaan we die participatie nog eens vergroten.  Stel je eens voor dat de Britten, Duitsers en Fransen voor elk 12 - 15 % deelnemen in het F/A XX, Italia en Spanje voor ieder zeg 6 - 8 % en de Amerikanen nemen de rest op zich.

Een andere weg is de Amerikanen de F/A XX zelf laten ontwikkelen.  En net als bij de F-104G Super Starfighter, F-15I Ra 'am, F-16I Sufa en F-35I Adir, ontwikkelen de EUropese landen een eigen versie van dat Amerikaanse ontwerp, die volledig in Europa zal worden gebouwd.

Aansluiten bij de Amerikaanse F/A XX is een prima optie, want hebben wij de luxe om nog decennia te wachten op Europese innovatie?

Kanttekening: als de Duitsers alleen hun volgende generatie kist gaan ontwikkelen, dan hoeft het natuur geen 30 jaar plus te duren.

Met een Europees - Amerikaans initiatief vraag ik me wel af wat dat betekend voor een autonome Europese fighter industrie, ik vrees dat wie die dan ten grave kunnen dragen al zou het bij een 50/50 participatie ook een positieve uitwerking kunnen hebben.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 05/01/2017 | 12:24 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 05/01/2017 | 10:58 uur
....

Of ... dat Super Starfighter 'raspaard' in gedachte houdende kunnen we dan niet beter bij het F/A-XX aansluiten ?

Een vreemde gedachte ?  Welnee.
In het F-16A/B project mochten de Europese klanten al een beetje meedenken met het ontwerp en deze kist werd uiteindelijk co-geproduceerd door de VS, samen met Nederland, Belgie, Noorwegen, Denemarken, Turkije en Israel.
In het JSF project mogen diverse landen niet alleen mee produceren maar ook mee ontwerpen.
De Britten zijn Niveau 1 parter in het JSF project en nemen deel in circa 10% van de oorspronkelijke totale ontwikkelingskosten, de Italianen en Nederlands doen mee op Niveau 2 (ca. 2% van de ontwikkelingskosten) en de Denen en Noren draaien mee op Niveau 3.

In een nieuw jachtvliegtuig project gaan we die participatie nog eens vergroten.  Stel je eens voor dat de Britten, Duitsers en Fransen voor elk 12 - 15 % deelnemen in het F/A XX, Italia en Spanje voor ieder zeg 6 - 8 % en de Amerikanen nemen de rest op zich.

Een andere weg is de Amerikanen de F/A XX zelf laten ontwikkelen.  En net als bij de F-104G Super Starfighter, F-15I Ra 'am, F-16I Sufa en F-35I Adir, ontwikkelen de EUropese landen een eigen versie van dat Amerikaanse ontwerp, die volledig in Europa zal worden gebouwd.
Strategisch denk ik een onwenselijke en onverstandige stap. Zullen de Duitsers en Fransen denk ik ook niet in meegaan. Hadden ze dat immers bij de ontwikkeling van de Typhoon en Rafale al gedaan..in een tijd waarin samenwerking met de Amerikanen veel minder beladen was en financieel ook veel aantrekkelijker (gezien al de bezuinigingen hier). De Britten zitten vooral in de F-35B ontwikkeling. Nederlandse bijdrage levert waarschijnlijk niet dat op wat men steeds doet geloven. Zeker als Trump het aantal beoogde Amerikaanse F-35s fors gaat verlagen. Daar is immers het optimistische droombeeld primair op gebouwd.

Nee, ik denk dat het beste is dat de Europese landen wederom proberen gezamenlijk een tweemotorige opvolger voor de Rafale en Typhoon te ontwikkelen. De noodzaak en strategische ontwikkelingen maken de kans op succes dit keer denk ik ook groter dan indertijd. Waarschijnlijk een optional manned vehicle...dus ook als UCAV in te zetten. Daarnaast een (kleinere) UCAV (als wingman). En interessant om te bezien of er ook nog een 1-motorig model komt ter vervanging van de Gripen. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/01/2017 | 12:28 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 05/01/2017 | 12:24 uurEn interessant om te bezien of er ook nog een 1-motorig model komt ter vervanging van de Gripen.

Je kunt je natuurlijk afvragen of Zweden wel een tweemotorig type als opvolger van de Gripen wil aanschaffen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/01/2017 | 12:40 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 05/01/2017 | 12:24 uur
ik denk dat het beste is dat de Europese landen wederom proberen gezamenlijk een tweemotorige opvolger voor de Rafale en Typhoon te ontwikkelen. De noodzaak en strategische ontwikkelingen maken de kans op succes dit keer denk ik ook groter dan indertijd. Waarschijnlijk een optional manned vehicle...dus ook als UCAV in te zetten. Daarnaast een (kleinere) UCAV (als wingman). En interessant om te bezien of er ook nog een 1-motorig model komt ter vervanging van de Gripen.

Als de Europese landen Europees willen dan is het zaak om nu te beginnen en hierbij zijn we weer bij het Duitse conceptvoorstel wat hiervoor wellicht als basis kan dienen, de  vraag is of Frankrijk dan (weer) dwars gaat liggen?

Een autonome Zweedse Gripen opvolger lijkt mij twijfelachtig mede gezien het feit dat de Zweedse overheid niet bereid was om Saab financieel te ondersteunen in de beoogde en gewenste FS2020 project en derhalve eieren voor haar geld koos, voor een minder spannend alternatief, de Gripen E.

Wat natuurlijk niet wegneemt dat een aantal Europese één pitter gebruikers onder leiding van Zweden/Saab de handen in elkaar kunnen slaan.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 05/01/2017 | 20:41 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 05/01/2017 | 11:11 uur
Een vraag over de ACX. Was deze ook vanaf het begin beoogd als de opvolger van de F-8E(FN)/F-8P Crusader?
Jazeker, het ACX, Avion Combatante Xperimental concept was al van het begin af aan omni-functioneel.
En opeens moet ik denken aan het Multi Role Fighter (MRF) project, begin jaren 90.
Het MRF ging enkele jaren over in het Common Affordable Fighter (CAF) project, CAF werd samengevoegd met het ASTOVL project (Advanced STOVL) vervolgens onder Clinton 1 in het Joint Advanced Strike Technology (JAST), welke vervolgens het Joint Strike Fighter programma werd.
De Rafale en F-35 hebben qua specificaties heel veel gemeen.
Aan het begin van deze eeuw hadden beide bijna nagenoeg gelijke prestaties.  Alleen de F-35 heeft uitgebreidere en vooruitstrevender / verder reikende vaardigheden (avionica en sensoren gewijs) dan de Rafale.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 05/01/2017 | 21:34 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 05/01/2017 | 12:24 uur
Strategisch denk ik een onwenselijke en onverstandige stap. Zullen de Duitsers en Fransen denk ik ook niet in meegaan. Hadden ze dat immers bij de ontwikkeling van de Typhoon en Rafale al gedaan..in een tijd waarin samenwerking met de Amerikanen veel minder beladen was en financieel ook veel aantrekkelijker (gezien al de bezuinigingen hier). De Britten zitten vooral in de F-35B ontwikkeling. Nederlandse bijdrage levert waarschijnlijk niet dat op wat men steeds doet geloven. Zeker als Trump het aantal beoogde Amerikaanse F-35s fors gaat verlagen. Daar is immers het optimistische droombeeld primair op gebouwd.

Nee, ik denk dat het beste is dat de Europese landen wederom proberen gezamenlijk een tweemotorige opvolger voor de Rafale en Typhoon te ontwikkelen. De noodzaak en strategische ontwikkelingen maken de kans op succes dit keer denk ik ook groter dan indertijd. Waarschijnlijk een optional manned vehicle...dus ook als UCAV in te zetten. Daarnaast een (kleinere) UCAV (als wingman). En interessant om te bezien of er ook nog een 1-motorig model komt ter vervanging van de Gripen.
Toen Duitsland in de jaren 60 al ging nadenken over een Starfighter vervanger, kwam men uit bij een multi-functioneel ontwerp, dat niet al te zwaar, vrij eenvoudig en goedkoop moest zijn.  Later werd dit bekend als het Multi Role Combat Aircraft - 75, MRCA-75.  Frankrijk wilde niet meedoen, dus haalde men de Britten aan boord.
Echter, zij moesten hun Bucanneer lange afstand interdictie bommenwerper vervangen.  Uiteindelijk vloog de TSR.2 als mogelijke vervanger, maar deze werd te zwaar en veel te duur.  Annuleren die handel en ze wisten vervolgens het MRCA project te kapen voor hun eigen belangen.
Uiteindelijk ontstond er een 'gekrompen F-111' die gespecialiseerd was om als 'bemande kruisraket' op 30 meter boven het Aard oppervlak te razen.
De F-16A en F-16C hadden een vergelijkbare nuttige lading - bereik verhouding.  Maar waren wel 2 keer zo wendbaar en konden vooral goed opereren op de belangrijke middelbare hoogtes, waar de Tornado een vliegende baksteen is.   Uiteindelijk werden de F-16AM en F-16C block 40 t/m 52 het ultieme Multi Role Combat Aircraft.
Hoe ironisch, want de Fighter Maffia moet (terecht) niets hebben van multi-functionele jachtvliegtuigen.

Frankrijk ging een heel andere weg in.  In plaats van een directe vervanger voor de zeer succesvolle Mirage III - 5 familie.
Ging men conceptueel aansturen op een eenmotorige 'mini F-15 Eagle'.  Qua wendbaarheid in de klasse van de F-16, qua vaardigheden probeerde men de F-15 naar de kroon te steken.   De Mirage 2000 is een uitstekend jachtvliegtuig, maar qua aanschaf prijs ging het wel richting Tornado en F-15 Eagle.
En dan krijg je weer te maken met die piramide vormige jachtvliegtuig markt.
Werden er van de Mirage III en 5  2.004 stuks gebouwd.  De F-104 Starfighter viel in dezelfde gewicht en prijs klasse en daar werden er 2.578 kisten van gebouwd.
De Mirage 2000 productie reikte slechts tot 601 exemplaren in dienst bij 9 luchtmachten.
In Juli 2016 waren er pas 154 gebouwd en er zijn nu in totaal zo een 370 Rafales gepland, terwijl deze kist al in 2001 in dienst kwam.
Van de Typhoon waren er per November2016 slechts 488 stuks gebouwd.

Waarom moet een Rafale en Typhoon vervanger 2-motorig zijn en rond de dik 9 ton tot 11,1 ton leeg wegen ?  Die in de jachtvliegtuig markt bovenin het middelzware tot de de onderkant van het top segment behoort.
Ga voor een 7,5 - 8 ton eenmotorig ontwerp, welke niet al te complex en te duur is, zodat niet alleen de Rafale, ja ook de Rafale M(arine), en Typhoon worden vervangen, maar ook F-16's, F-18's, Gripens, Mirage 2000's en misschien wel MiG-29's.
Rondom deze motor kunnen we dan een modulair UCAV ontwerpen, die ook van vliegdekschepen moet kunnen opereren.
Een numeriek groot aantal zorgt ook gelijk voor een goede overleefbaarheid, niet per individueel jachtvliegtuig, maar gezien over de totale vloot.  We zullen in een oorlog ongetwijfeld flink wat kisten gaan verliezen en dat kan je dan zo opvangen.  Je kunt ook een kist bouwen van USD 250 miljoen per stuk.  Tachtig % van alle vlieg ongevallen ontstaan echter door "pilot errors".  Donders, door een stuurfout, desoriëntatie, G force Loss Off Conscience (G-LOC) etcetera zijn we 4 % van onze vloot kwijt en 250 miljoen dollar 'door de plee'.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 05/01/2017 | 22:37 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 05/01/2017 | 12:24 uur
Strategisch denk ik een onwenselijke en onverstandige stap. Zullen de Duitsers en Fransen denk ik ook niet in meegaan. Hadden ze dat immers bij de ontwikkeling van de Typhoon en Rafale al gedaan..in een tijd waarin samenwerking met de Amerikanen veel minder beladen was en financieel ook veel aantrekkelijker (gezien al de bezuinigingen hier). De Britten zitten vooral in de F-35B ontwikkeling. Nederlandse bijdrage levert waarschijnlijk niet dat op wat men steeds doet geloven. Zeker als Trump het aantal beoogde Amerikaanse F-35s fors gaat verlagen. Daar is immers het optimistische droombeeld primair op gebouwd.

Nee, ik denk dat het beste is dat de Europese landen wederom proberen gezamenlijk een tweemotorige opvolger voor de Rafale en Typhoon te ontwikkelen. De noodzaak en strategische ontwikkelingen maken de kans op succes dit keer denk ik ook groter dan indertijd. Waarschijnlijk een optional manned vehicle...dus ook als UCAV in te zetten. Daarnaast een (kleinere) UCAV (als wingman). En interessant om te bezien of er ook nog een 1-motorig model komt ter vervanging van de Gripen.
Je hebt het allemaal over strategie.
Eens kochten we de Cougar Mk.2 helikopter, niet omdat ie zo goed was, maar dit was puur een politieke keuze in het verlengde van de Europese samenwerking.
De Tiger werd om dezelfde reden van de vierde naar de tweede plaats in de shortlist 'gepromoveerd'.  De KLu en KL hadden eigenlijk al geaccepteerd dat deze Tiger het bewapende helikopter zou worden.  Totdat een klein groepje KLu officieren een 'paleis revolutie' uitvoerden, zodat de Apache het alsnog werd.

Afijn, in het "Tournesol" (Zonnebloem) project moest de Cougar Mk.2 dan worden ontwikkeld, gebouwd en ingevoerd worden.
En dan krijg je vervolgens te maken met die typische Franse stugheid.  Dankzij een zeer diplomatieke en constructieve houding van de KLu konden we de fabrikanten Aerospatiale en Turbomeca bewegen om een adequaat eind-product af te leveren, anders was dit op een ramp uitgelopen.
De KLu dacht dat ze een structurele samenwerking konden opzetten met de Franse landmacht.  Helaas, daar hadden zij helemaal geen zin in.  En hun opleidingen waren ook met de wel bekende 'Franse slag'.  Uiteindelijk gingen we al snel voor Zwitserse precisie, geen EU en NAVO lid en in een later stadium werd een deel van de Cougar opleiding in Noorwegen, wel NAVO, maar geen EU lid !
Incidenteel, die slechte of helemaal geen internationale samenwerking ?
Helaas, structureel, er zijn voorbeelden te over, over stroeve of zeer slechte samenwerking met Zuid-Europeanen en Britten.
Met Belgen, Denen, en Duitsers zijn er wel goede ervaringen.  Heeft allemaal te maken met veel culturele overeenkomsten.

We zijn nu aan het doormodderen met die Euro munt.
We hebben al een Brexit, maar kijk niet raar op van een Grexit en een Itaxit.  Plus de Franse economie wordt al decennia lang structureel kleiner.
Terwijl wij in Nederland en Duitsland hervormingen op de arbeidsmarkt, pensioenen en huizenmarkt hebben doorgevoerd, blijft men daar gewoon doormodderen.
Waar staat de Euro munt in 2025, 2037, 2042 ?
Tijdens de Romeinse tijd en onder Keizer Karel 5 hadden we ook een gezamenlijke Europese munt.
Die laatste keer, in de eerste helft van de 16de eeuw, ging Karel V zijn munt ten onder, maar onze pensioen kassen waren vanwege deze gezamenlijke munt wel leeggeplunderd.
De geschiedenis leert dat munten komen en gaan.
Stel je eens voor dat er in de Europese Montaire Unie (EMU) een vecht scheiding uitbreekt.

Als je mij vraagt wat het beste Europese jachtvliegtuig is en het beste alternatief, qua kwaliteiten, voor de F-35A dan is dat de Rafale.
Maar de Rafale is Frans en aan een aanschaf hangen veel politieke 'haken, oogjes en touwtjes'.
De Gripen is qua kwaliteiten duidelijk de mindere, maar nog steeds adequaat voor onze huidige en toekomstige ambities.  En is kosten-effectief.
Doorslaggevend argument is juist dat de Gripen wordt geproduceerd door een land dat lang neutraal is geweest.  En als de omstandigheden daarom vragen weer neutraal kan worden.  Nederland, qua inwoner aantal een middelgroot Europees land zou na een EMU (vecht) scheiding zomaar weer neutraal kunnen worden.
En op zijn minst is het gezond voor Nederland als wij in politieke zin een bepaalde afstand houden van de 'grote Europese jongens' zoals DE, FR, UK, SP en IT.
Maar goed dat is weer stof voor in een ander topic.

De Gripen zal zeer waarschijnlijk het laatste in Zweden ontworpen jachtvliegtuig zijn.  En circa 25 % van deze kist komt al van buiten Zweden.

IK vindt het jammer dat de KLu de F-35A niet 'green' aanschaft.  Dus zonder de meeste avionica en sensoren.
We mogen niet eens 'onder de motorkap' van de software kijken.
Terwijl Nederland betreffende software ontwikkeling internationaal een voorname positie inneemt.
Op het gebied van electro-techniek zijn wij beter dan de Amerikanen en Britten.
Medewerkers van Thales Nederland mochten in 2004 de radar van de F-35 van dichtbij bekijken.  Waren niet onder de indruk, zij konden toen al een vergelijkbare radar set maken die bijvoorbeeld 50 % lichter was en veel meer capaciteiten had.  Op radar gebied behoren we gewoon tot de top.
Simulators, kunnen we in Nederland ook heel goed ontwerpen en bouwen.
De US Air Force loopt achter op het gebied van Elektronische Oorlog Voering (EOV), de KLu ook overigens.
Maar in Zweden en Frankrijk bouwen ze weer wereld klasse spul.
Dus, pleur net als Israel circa 500 kg van dat Radar Absorberend Materiaal van de LightningII en bouw bijvoorbeeld het EOV systeem van de Rafale in.
In de LightningII zou oorspronkelijk het BK 27 mm kanon van de Tornado en Typhoon worden ingebouwd.  Helaas moet er een 25 mm kanon in, ik vermoed onder druk van de US Marine Corps.  Waarom niet (EUropees) standaardiseren op dat BK 27 ?
De F-35A en F-35C spanten worden gemaakt van titanium.   Psstt, heel veel titanium komt uit Rusland, ook voor het JSF project.
De spanten van de F-35B worden noodgedwongen gemaakt uit een aluminium legering, want veel lichter dan dat moeilijk verkrijgbare en bewerkbare titanium. Maar titanium is ook zeer brand en gevecht schade bestendig.
Stel je eens voor dat we die spanten gaan maken uit een laminaat van aluminium en glasvezels, 20 - 24 % lichter dan die Aluminium spanten en ook nog eens brand-, en explosie bestendig.  Ik heb het hier over Glare.   De F-35A is inmiddels door zijn gewicht marge heen gegaan, dus dit kan een oplossing hiervoor zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 05/01/2017 | 23:43 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 05/01/2017 | 21:34 uur
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Waarom moet een Rafale en Typhoon vervanger 2-motorig zijn en rond de dik 9 ton tot 11,1 ton leeg wegen ?  Die in de jachtvliegtuig markt bovenin het middelzware tot de de onderkant van het top segment behoort.
Ga voor een 7,5 - 8 ton eenmotorig ontwerp, welke niet al te complex en te duur is, zodat niet alleen de Rafale, ja ook de Rafale M(arine), en Typhoon worden vervangen, maar ook F-16's, F-18's, Gripens, Mirage 2000's en misschien wel MiG-29's.
Rondom deze motor kunnen we dan een modulair UCAV ontwerpen, die ook van vliegdekschepen moet kunnen opereren.
Een numeriek groot aantal zorgt ook gelijk voor een goede overleefbaarheid, niet per individueel jachtvliegtuig, maar gezien over de totale vloot.  We zullen in een oorlog ongetwijfeld flink wat kisten gaan verliezen en dat kan je dan zo opvangen.  Je kunt ook een kist bouwen van USD 250 miljoen per stuk.  Tachtig % van alle vlieg ongevallen ontstaan echter door "pilot errors".  Donders, door een stuurfout, desoriëntatie, G force Loss Off Conscience (G-LOC) etcetera zijn we 4 % van onze vloot kwijt en 250 miljoen dollar 'door de plee'.
Ik deel die zienswijze en focus inmiddels op 1 motorig. Je pleidooi heb je hier eerder op het forum al gehouden. Al is het strategisch wel slimmer om binnen Europa niet alles op 1 toestel te gaan zetten...voor het geval daar iets structureels mis mee is of gaat. Staat je hele bemande Europese fighter-vloot weken aan de grond. Mogelijk kan de UCAV hier iets betekenen..of toch kiezen voor 2 toestel types.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 05/01/2017 | 23:51 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 05/01/2017 | 22:37 uur
Je hebt het allemaal over strategie.
Eens kochten we de Cougar Mk.2 helikopter, niet omdat ie zo goed was, maar dit was puur een politieke keuze in het verlengde van de Europese samenwerking.
De Tiger werd om dezelfde reden van de vierde naar de tweede plaats in de shortlist 'gepromoveerd'.  De KLu en KL hadden eigenlijk al geaccepteerd dat deze Tiger het bewapende helikopter zou worden.  Totdat een klein groepje KLu officieren een 'paleis revolutie' uitvoerden, zodat de Apache het alsnog werd.
Het is niet helemaal zo gelopen vind ik op basis van hoe ik het indertijd meekreeg en eraan deelnam...maar goed dat is een ander topic...en inmiddels al meerdere keren bediscussieerd hier op het forum ;)
Citaat van: Poleme op 05/01/2017 | 22:37 uurIK vindt het jammer dat de KLu de F-35A niet 'green' aanschaft.  Dus zonder de meeste avionica en sensoren.
We mogen niet eens 'onder de motorkap' van de software kijken.
Terwijl Nederland betreffende software ontwikkeling internationaal een voorname positie inneemt.
Op het gebied van electro-techniek zijn wij beter dan de Amerikanen en Britten.
Medewerkers van Thales Nederland mochten in 2004 de radar van de F-35 van dichtbij bekijken.  Waren niet onder de indruk, zij konden toen al een vergelijkbare radar set maken die bijvoorbeeld 50 % lichter was en veel meer capaciteiten had.  Op radar gebied behoren we gewoon tot de top.
Simulators, kunnen we in Nederland ook heel goed ontwerpen en bouwen.
De US Air Force loopt achter op het gebied van Elektronische Oorlog Voering (EOV), de KLu ook overigens.
Maar in Zweden en Frankrijk bouwen ze weer wereld klasse spul.
Dus, pleur net als Israel circa 500 kg van dat Radar Absorberend Materiaal van de LightningII en bouw bijvoorbeeld het EOV systeem van de Rafale in.
In de LightningII zou oorspronkelijk het BK 27 mm kanon van de Tornado en Typhoon worden ingebouwd.  Helaas moet er een 25 mm kanon in, ik vermoed onder druk van de US Marine Corps.  Waarom niet (EUropees) standaardiseren op dat BK 27 ?
De F-35A en F-35C spanten worden gemaakt van titanium.   Psstt, heel veel titanium komt uit Rusland, ook voor het JSF project.
De spanten van de F-35B worden noodgedwongen gemaakt uit een aluminium legering, want veel lichter dan dat moeilijk verkrijgbare en bewerkbare titanium. Maar titanium is ook zeer brand en gevecht schade bestendig.
Stel je eens voor dat we die spanten gaan maken uit een laminaat van aluminium en glasvezels, 20 - 24 % lichter dan die Aluminium spanten en ook nog eens brand-, en explosie bestendig.  Ik heb het hier over Glare.   De F-35A is inmiddels door zijn gewicht marge heen gegaan, dus dit kan een oplossing hiervoor zijn.
Als ook Duitsland de F35A (of B) kiest ter vervanging van haar Tornado's dan kunnen we misschien de F35 wat "vereuropeaniseren" en ook de Amerikanen daartoe onder druk zetten. Zoals ook gebeurd is met andere grote Duitse wapenprojecten waar Amerikaans materiaal de basis vormt maar met eigen made in EU en veelal made in Germany middelen en systemen wordt aangekleed. De Amerikanen hebben ook de Harrier "veramerikaniseert" indertijd trouwens.

Dit dan naast de ontwikkeling van een nieuwe Europese fighter (en bijbehorende UCAV) ter vervanging van de Typhoon, Rafale en GripenNG.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 06/01/2017 | 00:42 uur
Reactie op Poleme:

Een heel groot nadeel van de F35 is zijn ene motor. Deze is te groot, en te heet. Een F35 is een heel makkelijk doel voor warmte zoekende raketten, en verdediging hiertegen is erg moeilijk. Grote motoren betekent een zware motor. De snelheid die de turbine bladen ervaren neemt kwadratisch toe met de diameter. De belasting van de turbine bladen is hierdoor erg hoog. Neem hierbij de hoge temperaturen en je snapt waardoor de F35 motoren zo duur zijn. De motor is het duurste en moeilijkste onderdeel van een straaljager volgens mij. In Europa hebben we geen motor voor een 8ton 1pitter. Wel hebben we motoren voor een 6ton 1pitter (aka F-16/Grippen) of een ~12ton 2pitter.

Met spanten bedoel je toch de profielbalken in de vleugels. Volgens mij is Glare daarvoor niet geschikt. Glare is in de A380 toegepast aan de bovenkant van een vliegtuig romp. Volgens mij is de belastings-situaties daar:
Tijdens vlucht: druk tegen een dunne cilinderwand (2D Omni-directionele trek)
Op de grond: Boven vlak van een simpel ondersteunde dunne cilinder (1D compressie in lengte richting).
Een spant wordt juist afschuiving belast, de glasvezels breken door afschuiving. Glare is juist goed voor de boven of onder platen van een vleugel niet de spanten. Sorry dit is basis sterkteleer. In Delft waren ze een paar jaar terug heel negatief over de A350 en B787. Deze vliegtuigen zijn te zwaar doordat ze voor zo'n groot deel van Carbon-epoxy composiet gemaakt zijn. Bij een vliegtuig en een straaljager moet je licht gewicht construeren. Hierbij kun ja aan drie knoppen draaien: materiaal, belastings-richting en onderdeel geometrie. dit moet je voor alle onderdelen doen. Koolstof epoxy is goed voor boven vlakken van vleugels en staat vleugels, uni-directionele belasting (wisselend). Glare is goed bij wisselend 2D omni-directionele trek afgewisseld met compressie. Een metaal is het beste bij afschuiving.
Dit is HBO sterkteleer / materiaal knude.  ;)

Het is met de F35 zelfs zo erg dat ze niet vliegen wanneer de data verbinding naar de hoofdserver van ALES (weet de naam niet precies) in Amerika niet werkt. FF hekken en half NATO luchtmacht ligt lam. Slim zijn die Amerikanen en Lockheed Martin, he!  :devil: :sick:
Eerst dit verhelpen en daarna misschien proberen eigen sensoren in te bouwen. O-Nee, die compleet foute software en computer hardware. Ik ben erg pesimistisch over de F35.
Ik hoop op; 'Beter ten halve gekeerd, dan ten hele gedwaald.'
Ofwel: kappen met de F35 en voor nieuwe F16's of grippens gaan.
Maar ja, politiek!?  :annoyed: :sleep:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 06/01/2017 | 00:45 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 05/01/2017 | 23:43 uur
Ik deel die zienswijze en focus inmiddels op 1 motorig. Je pleidooi heb je hier eerder op het forum al gehouden. Al is het strategisch wel slimmer om binnen Europa niet alles op 1 toestel te gaan zetten...voor het geval daar iets structureels mis mee is of gaat. Staat je hele bemande Europese fighter-vloot weken aan de grond. Mogelijk kan de UCAV hier iets betekenen..of toch kiezen voor 2 toestel types.
We gaan niet op 1 type inzetten, want de F-35A en F-35B zijn dan nog in voldoende aantallen en bij een aardig aantal Europese luchtmachten operationeel.
De F-35 LightningII primair als een aanvalsvliegtuig, met een secundaire rol als luchtverdediger.  En een 'Mirage IIIE 2.0' als primair air combat fighter, die ook voldoende maximum startgewicht en ook een groot bereik heeft, zodat deze ook prima als 'mud beater' in te zetten is.
De modulaire UCAV doet lange afstand interdictie werk, ISR (Intel Surveillance Reconaissance) en als vooruitgeschoven (buddy) tanker.

Ik moet soms wel eens lachen om de vooroordelen betreffende Frans defensie materiaal die bij velen op DF leeft.
Bijvoorbeeld de Golfoorlog van 1991 heeft laten zien dat Frans materieel qua inzetbaarheid en betrouwbaarheid niet onderdoet voor Amerikaans materieel.
En ik hoef maar eens te kijken naar de Alouette III en Cougar Mk.2 die beide respectievelijk de eerste en tweede plaats bezetten qua inzetbaarheid in onze heli vloot.
Of ik waarneem de verhalen van Nederlandse en Britse uitwisseling vliegers die op het Mirage 2000 bul vlogen.  Welke toch echt aanzienlijk minder kapot gaat dan vergelijkbaar Amerikaans of Brits materieel.

Tijdens de Euro munt crisis gingen de deuren en luiken dicht.  In puur Nederlandse termen, we blijven lekker achter onze dijken.
Maar diverse grote uitdagingen op misdaad, terrorisme, milieu, economie, vluchtelingen en defensie dreigingen kunnen we alleen in EU verband echt effectief aanpakken.

Ja, ja; Ingrid, Johnny, Roderick, Sophie.  Onze beschaving, onze welvaart, ons welzijn, onze veiligheid komt niet vanzelf aanwaaien.
Welke staatsman of staatsvrouw kan jullie inspireren ?  Of blijven we lekker doormodderen ? 
Wie weet.  Na de slag om Waterloo, kostte het 3 dagen om de gewonden en doden te bergen.  Dat werd niet gedaan door militairen, maar burgers werden gedwongen om dat werk te doen.

Netjes je nagels kort knippen, je haren kort houden, kleren regelmatig wisselen en goed wassen.  Want je weet, de degenen die in het Jappenkamp het niet zo nauw namen met de hygiene sneuvelden het eerst.  2017 ... die lessen zitten nog steeds in mij.
Zorg dat je altijd voldoende koffers en dozen in huis hebt.  Voor het geval je met je hele hebben en houden moet vluchten.
Ik heb altijd verhuisdozen op voorraad.  En een verhuizing eind december verliep daarom ook gesmeerd.
Zelfs bij de keuze voor een All Terrain Bike heb ik rekening gehouden met het feit dat zo een fiets gemakkelijk kan zijn in het geval je op de vlucht moet.
Vreemd ?  Nou nee hoor, ongeveer 72 tot 77 jaar geleden gingen nogal wat familie leden gedwongen op reis.

1672, 1795, (1914), 1940 .... een volgend rampjaar zou wel eens het definitieve van ons allemaal kunnen betekenen.

Defensie, veiligheid is niet 'ver van ons bed', iets dat alleen maar in een kazerne plaats vindt.

Het begint al in ons eigen leven, tussen onze oren.  Beter dat, dan dat die hele waanzin van een oorlog tussen onze oren eindigt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 06/01/2017 | 00:47 uur
Er was toch ook iets aan de "hand" met die software(als ik de verhalen moet geloven?(F-35)

Was zoiets als "als de USA bepaalde interventies niet zouden willen(niet goed uitkomt,etc)dat ze ervoor zouden kunnen zorgen dat die dingen niet meer zouden werken",meen toch ook dat dat een van de redenen was waartegen Israel(zeer)zwaar bezwaar maakte.(volledig terecht trouwens,indien waar)

Stel 't misschien wat simplistisch voor,of is dat een "broodje aap" verhaal?(dus dat van afstand bepaalde zaken geregeld kunnen worden)

Indien dit namelijk wel 't geval zou zijn(ik zeg indien   ;) )kan ik er helemaal niet bij dat we alsnog(indien bekend en waar)voor dit toestel gingen en gaan.


Maar goed kan natuurlijk ook een fabeltje zijn,dat hoop ik dan toch.

Hmm zag net dat Ridevik zoiets mogelijks aankaarte(ten tijde van dit typen),wordt ik dus niet vrolijk van
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 06/01/2017 | 14:30 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 06/01/2017 | 00:42 uur
Reactie op Poleme:

Een heel groot nadeel van de F35 is zijn ene motor. Deze is te groot, en te heet. Een F35 is een heel makkelijk doel voor warmte zoekende raketten, en verdediging hiertegen is erg moeilijk. Grote motoren betekent een zware motor. De snelheid die de turbine bladen ervaren neemt kwadratisch toe met de diameter. De belasting van de turbine bladen is hierdoor erg hoog. Neem hierbij de hoge temperaturen en je snapt waardoor de F35 motoren zo duur zijn. De motor is het duurste en moeilijkste onderdeel van een straaljager volgens mij. In Europa hebben we geen motor voor een 8ton 1pitter. Wel hebben we motoren voor een 6ton 1pitter (aka F-16/Grippen) of een ~12ton 2pitter.

Met spanten bedoel je toch de profielbalken in de vleugels. Volgens mij is Glare daarvoor niet geschikt. Glare is in de A380 toegepast aan de bovenkant van een vliegtuig romp. Volgens mij is de belastings-situaties daar:
Tijdens vlucht: druk tegen een dunne cilinderwand (2D Omni-directionele trek)
Op de grond: Boven vlak van een simpel ondersteunde dunne cilinder (1D compressie in lengte richting).
Een spant wordt juist afschuiving belast, de glasvezels breken door afschuiving. Glare is juist goed voor de boven of onder platen van een vleugel niet de spanten. Sorry dit is basis sterkteleer. In Delft waren ze een paar jaar terug heel negatief over de A350 en B787. Deze vliegtuigen zijn te zwaar doordat ze voor zo'n groot deel van Carbon-epoxy composiet gemaakt zijn. Bij een vliegtuig en een straaljager moet je licht gewicht construeren. Hierbij kun ja aan drie knoppen draaien: materiaal, belastings-richting en onderdeel geometrie. dit moet je voor alle onderdelen doen. Koolstof epoxy is goed voor boven vlakken van vleugels en staat vleugels, uni-directionele belasting (wisselend). Glare is goed bij wisselend 2D omni-directionele trek afgewisseld met compressie. Een metaal is het beste bij afschuiving.
Dit is HBO sterkteleer / materiaal knude.  ;)

Het is met de F35 zelfs zo erg dat ze niet vliegen wanneer de data verbinding naar de hoofdserver van ALES (weet de naam niet precies) in Amerika niet werkt. FF hekken en half NATO luchtmacht ligt lam. Slim zijn die Amerikanen en Lockheed Martin, he!  :devil: :sick:
Eerst dit verhelpen en daarna misschien proberen eigen sensoren in te bouwen. O-Nee, die compleet foute software en computer hardware. Ik ben erg pesimistisch over de F35.
Ik hoop op; 'Beter ten halve gekeerd, dan ten hele gedwaald.'
Ofwel: kappen met de F35 en voor nieuwe F16's of grippens gaan.
Maar ja, politiek!?  :annoyed: :sleep:
De F-135 is inderdaad een groot en zwaar bakbeest en 10 jaar geleden waren er inderdaad problemen met een te hoge bedrijfstemperatuur.  Maar dit beest moet dan ook 43.000 pond stuwkracht leveren, ongeveer de helft van wat bijvoorbeeld de Boeing 757 tot zijn beschikking heeft.
Tegenwoordig hoor ik daar niets meer over.  Enkele jaren geleden had een F-35 flinke schade doordat bladen tegen de motor wand schraapten.
Dit komt doordat het motor casco niet stijf genoeg is.  Het moet allemaal zo licht mogelijk en ook bij ontwikkeling van de motor heeft men al te maken met het feit dat de huidige ingenieurs te weinig ervaring ervaring hebben met het ontwerpen van mil.standard producten.  Terwijl de F-135 core engine (kern motor) nog gebaseerd is op die van de F-119 toegepast in de F-22A Raptor en de aannemers van de Raptor nog vaak terug vallen op ervaringen uit dit programma.  Dit gebrek aan ervaring zal dus bij een toekomstig project nog een grotere rol spelen.  Ontwerpen van straalmotoren is inderdaad moeilijk en de laatste generaties gasturbines werden steeds complexer, doch wonnen tegelijkertijd ook aan betrouwbaarheid, een grote prestatie.

De F-35 straalt inderdaad een hoop warmte / infraroodstraling uit.  Maar kijk eens hoe die staartvlakken het directe zicht op de motor uitlaat vaak belemmeren.
Daarnaast beschikt de F-35 waarschijnlijk over actieve methodes om die infrarood signatuur te verkleinen.

Er bestaat inderdaad (nog) geen Europese turbofan die een 7,5 tons jachtvliegtuig kan aandrijven.  Maar Rolls Royce en SNECMA zullen daar toe best wel in staat toe zijn.

Ter verduidelijking: ik stel niet voor om de vleugel spanten, maar om de romp spanten (bulkheads) in Glare te construeren.
Vleugel spanten moet je uit aluminium of titanium construeren.  Hoewel Airbus vleugels bouwt die volgens mij (bijna) volledig uit koolstof vezels bestaan.
De B-1B Lancer heeft metalen vleugelspanten, daar kwamen scheuren in.  Dus kwamen hier platen op van boron vezels.
Ridivek, a.u.b. hier feedback op geven.

Autonomic Logistics Information System is een hardware en software infrastructuur welke "health, usage, maintenance" data voor elk individueel F-35 en je hele vloot verzamelt en analyseert.  Op elke F-35 basis staat een Standard Operating Unit (SOU), die weer in verbinding staat met de Central Point of Entry (CPE).  De CPE verbindt elke F-35 basis met de Autonomic Logistics Operating Unit (ALOU), de centrale server.
Inderdaad, er is helemaal geen back-up voor deze ALOU server.   En personeel op diverse F-35 bases hebben hun twijfels geuit of ALIS wel expeditionair in te zetten is.  Hun SOU is nogal groot.  Heeft de SOU wel een voldoende en betrouwbare elektriciteit voorziening op een vooruitgeschoven locatie en is deze wel bestand tegen (zeer) hoge temperaturen ?

Het JSF project heeft inderdaad grote software problemen.
Maar die had de F-20A Tigershark ook, kijk via de Zoek functie maar eens op deze site.
In Nederland hadden we het Multi Purpose (MP) fregat, ging al snel door voor 'Meer Problemen (MP) fregat' en werd dus al snel hernoemt tot M-fregat.
En de F-22A Raptor had ook te maken met uitdagingen op software gebied.
Ik blijf positief, daar kom je ver mee.  De F-111 had ook veel problemen met de motoren, leeggewicht en vele apparatuur, werden uiteindelijk goed opgelost.
Maar de F-111 had geen last van "concurrency", een grote overlapping in ontwikkeling en productie.
De B-1B Lancer werd ook al gebouwd, toen de bouwvakkers nog steeds bezig waren met de afbouw van de productie-hallen en heeft hetzelfde probleem als de F-35.
De F-35 zal dus tot in volgend decennium nog last hebben van een slechte betrouwbaarheid en 'Meer Problemen' = Meer Uitdagingen.

Uiteindelijk staat daar een uitstekend jachtbommenwerper.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/01/2017 | 14:55 uur
USAF issues RFP for fighter aircraft laser weapon

Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's International Defence Review - 06 January 2017

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Artist's concept of Northrop Grumman's Next-Generation Air Dominance fighter using a laser to destroy incoming missiles. Source: Northrop Grumman

The US Air Force (USAF) has issued a request for proposals (RFP) related to its efforts to field a laser-based self-protection system for its tactical combat aircraft.

The RFP, posted by the Air Force Research Laboratory, Directed Energy Directorate, Laser Division (AFRL/RDL) on the Federal Business Opportunities (FedBizOpps) website on 5 January, seeks research proposals for the service's Laser Advancements for Next-generation Compact Environments (LANCE) project, which is geared at integrating a defensive laser weapon aboard current and future fighter-sized aircraft.

"The objective of LANCE is to perform research and development activities necessary to design, fabricate, and deliver a reliable, ruggedised high-power laser (with excellent beam quality and compact design) for integration within an aerodynamic integrating structure for use during flight testing on tactical aircraft for self-defence research during Phase II of the Self-protect High Energy Laser Demonstrator (SHiELD) Advanced Technology Demonstration (ATD)," the solicitation said.

At this stage the AFRL/RDL is seeking innovative research and development solutions to advance state-of-the-art laser technologies, to demonstrate performance, and to assess the operational utility of a compact, ruggedised, high-power laser in all potential inbound threat geometries on a tactical aircraft flying in transonic through potentially supersonic regimes.

The scope of the research and development includes development, design, fabrication, and documentation of a novel laser subsystem that fits within the demanding size and mass constraints of the SHiELD aerodynamic integrating structure. The laser will be housed in a supersonic flight-capable pod to be developed under the Laser Pod Research and Development (LPRD) contract.

As noted by the AFRL/RDL, the US government is anticipating a two-phase approach for the SHiELD ATD effort. The first phase consists of low-power tests and performance demonstrations of the beam control subsystem (BCS) and other laser support subsystems at transonic speeds and aero-effects data collection under supersonic flight conditions for laser effectiveness on target.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 08/01/2017 | 03:27 uur
Poleme
Gaat dit om een spant van romp naar wingtip of om ribben die van de voorkant De vleugels van de B-1B zijn volgens mij heel dun, vrij kort en lang. Ik verwacht dat de spanten problemen gaven, vanwege de dunne lange vleugels.
Het verhaal bij de B-1B klinkt als een verstijving van de spanten. Twee dingen veranderen:
1) een dikkere spant geometrie.
2) een ander materaal; sandwich i.p.v. waarschijnlijk aluminium of titanum.
De spanningen in de spanten zijn het hoogst aan de boven en onderkant van de spant. Hier buigt het materiaal het meeste. Blijkbaar is de metalen spant te licht geconstrueerd, dus een verkeerde vorm waardoor de spanningen en of vervorming lokaal te hoog zijn. Door tegen de spant een boron vezelmat (waarschijnlijk 45 en -45 graden) te lijmen wordt de spant stijver. Hierdoor deformeert deze minder en wordt het metaal minder belast.
Omdat de boron vezelmat waarschijnlijk minder kan deformeren dan het metaal, wordt het metaal waarschijnlijk niet optimaal benut . Je kan een vezel versterking ook helemaal verkeerd doen, grappend wordt dit vezel verzwakt materiaal genoemd. Als de vezel en het metaal (matrix materiaal) niet evenveel kunnen vervormen, kan het materiaal eerder bezwijken dan bij een puur metaal onderdeel. Ook krijg je een veel brosser bezwijk mechanisme. Dit is veel moeilijker te constateren. Als vezels bezwijken of de hechting tussen de vezelmat en het metaal bezwijkt, is dit nauwelijks te zien, maar het materiaal verzwakt wel. Als ontwerper gebruik je dan een hogere veiligheidsfactor. De maximale spanningen die je voor laat komen in het materiaal worden lager gehouden dan de spanning waarop je verwacht dat het materiaal bezwijkt.

Ik weet niet meer precies of glare nu aluminium versterkte of verstijfde. Ik denk dat over de materialen in de F35 wel goed nagedacht is.

Waarom ik nu fel tegen de F35 ben, is het feit dat als ik mij niet vergis, het JPO toegeeft dat de gekozen software structuur nauwelijks aan te passen is. Hierdoor kost het integreren van nieuwe sensoren of wapens enorm veel tijd en geld. Ze plannen toch een compleet nieuwe computer software en hardware structuur in block 4 of 5?
Tuurlijk kan het wat worden, dit geldt ook voor de NH90, Tiger, A400m, enz. Maar voor welke kosten?
Met de huidige ramingen zijn 37 F-35A's al niet te exporteren binnen het gestelde budget. Daarom hevelen ze zo'n 400mln van investring over naar exploitatie. Ze stelde max 4.5 mjd, is door defensie opgevat als prijspeil 2014, dus lekker indexeren maar. Wat dat aangaat budgeteert amerika beter door de hele levensduur kosten te berekenen.
We hebben nu 1,5mjd in de JSF/F35 geinvesteerd. Ik verwacht minimaal het 20 voudige over de 30jaar (8000 uur per toestel) gebruiksduur. We hebben rond 2020 tot 2025 toch een luchtmacht van niks. Want de F35 block4 ondersteund maar de helft van wat we willen geloof ik. Als ze in denhaag nu ff hadden gewacht tot de F-35A een IOC status heeft, of dat de Gripen E deze heeft, en daarna pas definitieve bestellingen doen. Nu vragen we vroeg veel toestellen, maar latere series worden goedkoper doordat de prductie aantallen toenemen. En de kosten van de veel te grote productie facaliteit worden gedeeld door het productie volume. Ook moetten alle aanpassingen / block upgrades alsnog uitgevoerd worden.
Wat is beter miljarden uitgeven en niks kunnen, of niks kunnen omdat de investering is opgeschoven. Waardoor we maritieme investeringen kunnen doen. En later voor minder of hetzelfde wel functioneel materieel aanschaffen?
Mijn voorkeur ligt bij het tweede.
En de mensen bij lockheed de hele tijd maar miljoenen verdienen. Als de VS dit goed geregeld had, ging lockheed hieraan falliet, net als dat Airbus pijn leid van de A400m, en de industrie (deels) opdraait voor de fouten in de NH90
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 08/01/2017 | 09:08 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 08/01/2017 | 03:27 uur
En de mensen bij lockheed de hele tijd maar miljoenen verdienen. Als de VS dit goed geregeld had, ging lockheed hieraan falliet, net als dat Airbus pijn leid van de A400m, en de industrie (deels) opdraait voor de fouten in de NH90
Dat is nu juist het probleem: die bedrijven zijn 'too big to fail'...
Laat je ze ondergaan, verlies je een groot deel van je defensieindustrie in een slag.
Werklozen...
En... dan hebben de overblijvers (indien er dan nog zijn) een dikke concurrent minder...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/01/2017 | 11:23 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 08/01/2017 | 03:27 uur
We hebben rond 2020 tot 2025 toch een luchtmacht van niks. Want de F35 block4 ondersteund maar de helft van wat we willen geloof ik. Als ze in denhaag nu ff hadden gewacht tot de F-35A een IOC status heeft, of dat de Gripen E deze heeft, en daarna pas definitieve bestellingen doen.

Block 4 is ook niet de definitieve versie. Er komt altijd een Block versie met verbeteringen en/of uitbreidingen. Met de F-16A/B van de KLu ging het net zo (Block 1/5/10/15/15 OCU/20 MLU).

Hier verwacht men dat de F-35A in 2021 de IOC status bereikt. In Zweden verwacht men dat de JAS 39 E Gripen in 2023 de IOC status bereikt. Zou het nu echt uitmaken om tot die tijd te wachten?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 08/01/2017 | 17:14 uur
IOC van de F35A is volgens mij met block 4 software. Hierin zit bijvoorbeeld niet de functionaliteit om SDBII te gebruiken. Deze hangt als ik mij niet vergis nu al onder de Nederlandse F16's. Nederland heeft vanwege de aanstaande vervanging (en het feit dat de F16's bijna op zijn. Allemaal boven 4000 vlieguur) niet alle beschikbare updates uitgevoerd.
Volgens mij moet iedere 10 jaar ongeveer het complete sensoren pakket vervangen worden om up to date te blijven. Door de volledig geintegreerde software, in plaats van applicaties, gaat integreren van nieuwe sensoren en wapens enorm lang duren en dus veel kosten. Ik stel daarom dat de F35 altijd verouderd zal zijn ten opzichte van straaljagers die wel modulaire software hebben.
De ontwikkeling van de F35 duurt zo lang doordat de software ontwikkeling volledig ontspoort.

Wat mij ook dwars zit, is dat de vergelijking waarop de keuze voor de F35 is gebaseerd uit ging van de specificaties voor de herijking van het JSF programma. De specificaties zijn flink naar beneden bijgesteld bij deze herijking. Vanwege geheime specificaties is de vergelijking niet openbaar, en dus niet te controleren of bekritiseren.
Het moment van de keus voor de F35 hing samen met de selectie voor de locatie van F135 motor onderhoud in Europa. Maar hier wordt toch op terug gekomen.
Kwa voortgang in het ontwikkel traject waren er tegelijkertijd motor problemen en de nog steeds voortdurende software problemen.
Ik zie het niet gebeuren dat de investeringen die Nederland doet in de F35, volledig gecompenseerd worden met ontwikkel of productie orders. Dit wordt maximaal 50%. Dit gaat volgens mij even goed op voor andere straaljagers. Dus wat dat aan gaat boeit het type niet.

Een derde punt waardoor ik fel tegen de F35 ben, zijn de veel te hoge kosten voor maar 37 toestellen. Volgens mij gaat QRA en 2 op uitzending al niet lukken met dit aantal. Dan heb ik liever iets mindere toestellen. Die wel binnen budget blijven terwijl we er meer van aanschaffen. Maar deze discussie heeft geen zin. De keuze voor de F35 is al gemaakt. Ik geloof dat er al 16 extra besteld zijn boven op de reeds twee die we in het bezit hebben. Alleen bij een fatale crash of al Trump/ de US drastische maatregelen neemt, veranderd er iets.
Ik vrees dat de grootste pijn van het F35/JSF nog in het verschiet ligt. Tot hoeveel is de investering nu op gelopen? 5.200.000.000 Euro plus 350.000.000 per jaar exploitatie, voor 30jaar lang?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 17:30 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 08/01/2017 | 17:14 uur
Tot hoeveel is de investering nu op gelopen? 5.200.000.000 Euro plus 350.000.000 exploitatie voor 30jaar?

Voor de exploitatie maak je een aanzienlijke reken fout, voor 30 jaar verdeeld over 37 exemplaren gaat men dacht ik uit van 8 a 9 miljard.

De tweede van de KLu was/is de Rafale, goedkoop is deze nu ook weer niet en de Gripen kan 20 jaar na aanschaf weer vervangen worden.

Ook Trump gaat het F35 programma niet naar de eeuwige jachtvelden sturen, hooguit dat de C variant een domper krijgt te verwerken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 08/01/2017 | 17:32 uur
Hierbij een overzichtje van de lopende investeringen in de F16. Ik verwacht minimaal het dubbele voor de F35. (Moet je de afbeelding wel toevoegen domme Rik)
De investeringen zijn 5.5mjd: de 800mln voor ontwikkeling ontwikkeling en de aanschaf 4.7mjd.
Hierin zit nog een reserve. En in het aanschaf budget zit nog een overheveling naar de exploitatie, omdat deze hoger is dan de beschikbare 270mln (opgevat als prijspeil 2014).
De helft van de vloot is kreupel, het voertuigen bestand is drastisch aan modernisering toe. De basis uitrusting had al 10 jaar geleden vervangen moeten worden maar begint nu EINDELIJK te lopen.
Een met deze enorme investering in F35's, is het maar de vraag of we een degelijk product ontvangen. Bij uitstel van de F35 aanschaf, dalen de kosten van de toestellen, omdat de productie volumes toenemen. We hebben meer zekerheid dat de F35 doet wat wordt belooft, of we weten beter wat de Gripen E/F kan.
Het nadeel van uitstel is geen straaljager capaciteit hebben tussen 2020 en 2030. Maar de F35 kan in deze periode nauwelijks iets, omdat het pas IOC status heeft.
Dus de uitstel heeft drie voordeel en een nadeel wat we toch gaan ervaren. Deze leek schat in dat drie voordelen toch beter is dan een nadeel dat toch optreed.
Oja, het onderhoud van de motoren en de productie vloeit weg. Maar met Trump's beleid gebeurt toch wel.

Maarja ik ben maar een hamburger achter een laptop zonder enige invloed.  :sick: :silent:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/01/2017 | 17:38 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 08/01/2017 | 17:14 uur
IOC van de F35A is volgens mij met block 4 software. Hierin zit bijvoorbeeld niet de functionaliteit om SDBII te gebruiken. Deze hangt als ik mij niet vergis nu al onder de Nederlandse F16's. Nederland heeft vanwege de aanstaande vervanging (en het feit dat de F16's bijna op zijn. Allemaal boven 4000 vlieguur) niet alle beschikbare updates uitgevoerd.

Het moment van de keus voor de F35 hing samen met de selectie voor de locatie van F135 motor onderhoud in Europa. Maar hier wordt toch op terug gekomen.

De SDB van de KLu is de GBU-39. GBU-53/B is SDB II. Deze laatste heeft de KLu (nog) niet.

Vooralsnog is er geen officieel nieuws dat de aangewezen Europese landen voor het grote motoronderhoud zullen worden aangepast.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 17:41 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/01/2017 | 17:38 uur
Vooralsnog is er geen officieel nieuws dat de aangewezen Europese landen voor het grote motoronderhoud zullen worden aangepast.

Ook Trump kan niet zomaar gesloten contracten over de plint kieperen zonder mega schadeclaims aan het Amerikaanse adres.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 08/01/2017 | 17:56 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 17:30 uur
1) Voor de exploitatie maak je een aanzienlijke reken fout, voor 30 jaar verdeeld over 37 exemplaren gaat men dacht ik uit van 8 a 9 miljard.

2) De tweede van de KLu was/is de Rafale, goedkoop is deze nu ook weer niet en de Gripen kan 20 jaar na aanschaf weer vervangen worden.

1) in mijn post verduidelijkt / verbeterd. Dank voor het aanwijzen van mijn onduidelijkheid.

2) Ik heb de vergelijking niet in mijn geheugen. Ik geloof graag dat de Rafale beter presteerde dan de Gripen. Maar deze heeft twee motoren en de behoefte stelling was toch een jager met 1 motor. Een twee motorig toestel is bijna twee keer zo duur in aanschaf en onderhoud vanwege de twee motoren (van bijna gelijke grootte). De veel grotere motor van de F35 is erg duur, hierdoor gaat deze regel qua onderhoud/ instandhouding niet op.
Ik zie het probleem van na 20 jaar vervangen niet zo. Hoeveel vlieguur gaat een gripen mee 6000?, de Rafale en de F35 gaan 8000 vlieguur mee. De F16 hebben ze opgerekt tot 6000 vlieguur. Zoals geschreven na 10 jaar moet je compleet de sensoren vervangen om up to date te blijven volgens mij. Bij een Gripen vlieg je 20 jaar met wat simpele upgrades zoals nu worden uitgevoerd op de F16's. Een MLU wordt waarschijnlijk niet uitgevoerd. Om 30 jaar met een F35 of Rafael te vliegen, moet een MLU uitgevoerd worden na 15 jaar. Hierbij werd toch compleet de motor vervangen net als alle sensoren?. Dan gebruik je het toestel (motor + sensoren) 15 in plaats van 20 jaar.
Ik ben voor een vergelijking op live cycle kosten, de kosten voor de volledige gebruiksduur (aanschaf, exploitatie en upgrades). Koppel dit aan capaciteiten en kies voor het beste Bang for Buck scenario. Dit zal niet inzichtelijk zijn vanwege de geheime info. Ik denk dat zomaar de gripen hier het beste uitrolt, maar ik ben maar een leek zonder info.

Hiernaast hoelang zijn de Rafale en Eurofighter nu in gebruik (10 jaar)?. 30jaar - 10jaar = 20 jaar. Hee, hebben we de vervangings traject gelijk getrokken. Al is het beter voor de industrie om de vervanging wat te spreiden. Dan kunnen ze iedere 10-15 jaar een nieuw / geupgrade model op de markt brengen (volgens mij een goede platform ontwikkel cyclus). Productie voor Europesche landen en export uitgesmeerd over 20-30 jaar. Hiernaast iedere 5jaar een software, sensor en  wapen integratie upgrade. En je hebt constant een up to date fighter. Bij een 1 en een 2 pitter, een Europees en een Amerikaans product heb je vier toestellen, volgens mij meer dan genoeg keus. Weer een idee van een hamburger. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 18:14 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 08/01/2017 | 17:56 uur
Hee, hebben we de vervangings traject gelijk getrokken. Al is het beter voor de industrie om de vervanging wat te spreiden. Dan kunnen ze iedere 10-15 jaar een nieuw / geupgrade model op de markt brengen (volgens mij een goede platform ontwikkel cyclus). Productie voor Europesche landen en export uitgesmeerd over 20-30 jaar. Hiernaast iedere 5jaar een software, sensor en  wapen integratie upgrade. En je hebt constant een up to date fighter. Bij een 1 en een 2 pitter, een Europees en een Amerikaans product heb je vier toestellen, volgens mij meer dan genoeg keus. Weer een idee van een hamburger.

Ik ben zo wie zo voor meerdere Europese en Amerikaanse types die een vervangingsinterval hebben die er voor zorgen dat je altijd een courant model in je arsenaal hebt.

Ik had dan vwb Amerikaanse zijde dan ook liever gezien dat men separate vervangers voor de "teen" serie ontworpen had... helaas, al lijkt men de les op te pakken met de F/X en de FA/XX.

Ik ben ook voor 2 Europese alternatieven, een één en een twee pitter als vervangers van de eendenbekkies in de jaren dertig/veertig.

Ik heb het alleen niet op de Gripen E, men had de FS2020 moeten ontwikkelen, maar helaas.

De teller staat nu op nog geen 100 Gripen E en geen enkel NAVO land (tot heden) gaat er mee vliegen, zou vast spannend zijn met de Zweeds - Braziliaanse updates.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/01/2017 | 18:38 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 17:41 uur
Ook Trump kan niet zomaar gesloten contracten over de plint kieperen zonder mega schadeclaims aan het Amerikaanse adres.

Dat zal inderdaad niet zonder slag of stoot gaan. Ook de USAFE zal gebruik gaan maken van de Europese hubs v.w.b. groot motoronderhoud e.d.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 08/01/2017 | 19:08 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 17:41 uur
Ook Trump kan niet zomaar gesloten contracten over de plint kieperen zonder mega schadeclaims aan het Amerikaanse adres.
Oh zeker wel. Omdat ik denk dat hier wel iets van in de kleine lettertjes van de contracten staat. Zo dom zijn de Amerikanen niet, zo goedgelovig onze betrokken politici wel. Buiten het feit dat dit in het verleden ook zo gebeurde bij de compensatieorders. De Amerikanen hebben niet zo'n goede reputatie in deze. Zijn ze ook een slagje te groot en machtig voor.

De Rafale is trouwens even oud als de Gripen..dus de E/F zal de Rafale qua sensoren e.d. denk overklassen..als die dan ook al niet geüpdatet wordt. Hadden we 20 jaar met de Gripen E/F vooruit gekund volgens jou..was dit ook het probleem geweest van de Rafale en Typhoon. Ik denk dat dit probleem er niet zou zijn...behalve dat we waarschijnlijk niet veel langer dan normaal gewenst is met ze zouden doorvliegen zoals nu bij de F-16. Of politiek links moet dan inmiddels het Binnenhof domineren.

Ik denk ook dat de F-35C door komst president Trump in de gevarenzone zit...als ook het totale aantal F-35s dat door de Amerikanen zal worden afgenomen. Dat laatste zal invloed hebben op de stukprijs..en met iemand als Trump..acht ik de kans klein dat de Amerikanen die meerkosten wel voor hun rekening nemen en ons een leuk prijsje geven. We zijn geen Israel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 19:27 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 08/01/2017 | 19:08 uur
Oh zeker wel. Omdat ik denk dat hier wel iets van in de kleine lettertjes van de contracten staat.

Zie je de contradictie in je eigen stelling...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 19:35 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 08/01/2017 | 19:08 uur
Ik denk ook dat de F-35C door komst president Trump in de gevarenzone zit...als ook het totale aantal F-35s dat door de Amerikanen zal worden afgenomen. Dat laatste zal invloed hebben op de stukprijs..en met iemand als Trump..acht ik de kans klein dat de Amerikanen die meerkosten wel voor hun rekening nemen en ons een leuk prijsje geven. We zijn geen Israel.

Zoals we al eerder constateerden is de C het meest risicovol en daar komt nu ook nog eens bij dat (van de C) het landingsgestel niet goed functioneert en vermoedelijk opnieuw ontworpen zal moeten worden.

Het gehele programma zou de weg van de F111 kunnen gaan, laten we het niet hopen want dat levert ook voor de Amerikanen een berg problemen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 19:41 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 08/01/2017 | 19:08 uur
Ik denk dat dit probleem er niet zou zijn...behalve dat we waarschijnlijk niet veel langer dan normaal gewenst is met ze zouden doorvliegen zoals nu bij de F-16. Of politiek links moet dan inmiddels het Binnenhof domineren.


Alleen het aantal en de klanten leveren al een logistiek en operationeel probleem zolang de Gripen E/F geen export succes nummer is.

De teller staat op 96 in bestelling en 10 opties, hiervan 0 voor NAVO landen.

Succes.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 08/01/2017 | 19:59 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 18:14 uur
Ik heb het alleen niet op de Gripen E, men had de FS2020 moeten ontwikkelen, maar helaas.

Eens, maar hier kijken we een koe in zijn achterste. Verkeerde keuzes in het verleden.
Was de beoogde gebruikers groep voor de FS2020 niet: Belgie, Denemarken, Nederland, Noorwegen, enz. Allemaal kozen voor de F35. Als hiernaast en enkele Baltische staten en Polen ook meedoen, dan heb je er zo 200 in Europa vliegen. Als we nu de tijd uitzitten met de Gripen E/F of nieuwe F16's, en daarna met deze groep gaan voor de FS2040. Eerst de Gripen E ontwikkelen en op spec. brengen en rond 2030 beginnen met het ontwikkelen van de FN2040 Gen 6 (optioneel bemand, reduced signature) een pitter. Andere landen zouden ook nog mee kunnen doen.
Maar wat voor zin heeft dit speculeren?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 20:25 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 08/01/2017 | 19:59 uur
Eens, maar hier kijken we een koe in zijn achterste. Verkeerde keuzes in het verleden.
Was de beoogde gebruikers groep voor de FS2020 niet: Belgie, Denemarken, Nederland, Noorwegen, enz. Allemaal kozen voor de F35. Als hiernaast en enkele Baltische staten en Polen ook meedoen, dan heb je er zo 200 in Europa vliegen. Als we nu de tijd uitzitten met de Gripen E/F of nieuwe F16's, en daarna met deze groep gaan voor de FS2040. Eerst de Gripen E ontwikkelen en op spec. brengen en rond 2030 beginnen met het ontwikkelen van de FN2040 Gen 6 (optioneel bemand, reduced signature) een pitter. Andere landen zouden ook nog mee kunnen doen.
Maar wat voor zin heeft dit speculeren?

Idd een gepasseerd station.

De Gripen E zal vermoedelijk het laatste autonome Zweedse gevechtsvliegtuig zal zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 08/01/2017 | 21:46 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 19:27 uur
Zie je de contradictie in je eigen stelling...
Dat de zogeheten kleine lettertjes in de contracten de Amerikanen ontsnappingsmogelijkheden geven in deze...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 08/01/2017 | 21:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 20:25 uur
Idd een gepasseerd station.

De Gripen E zal vermoedelijk het laatste autonome Zweedse gevechtsvliegtuig zal zijn.
of het aanstaande Indiase basis gevechtsvliegtuig..
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 08/01/2017 | 21:52 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 08/01/2017 | 19:59 uur
Eens, maar hier kijken we een koe in zijn achterste. Verkeerde keuzes in het verleden.
Was de beoogde gebruikers groep voor de FS2020 niet: Belgie, Denemarken, Nederland, Noorwegen, enz. Allemaal kozen voor de F35. Als hiernaast en enkele Baltische staten en Polen ook meedoen, dan heb je er zo 200 in Europa vliegen. Als we nu de tijd uitzitten met de Gripen E/F of nieuwe F16's, en daarna met deze groep gaan voor de FS2040. Eerst de Gripen E ontwikkelen en op spec. brengen en rond 2030 beginnen met het ontwikkelen van de FN2040 Gen 6 (optioneel bemand, reduced signature) een pitter. Andere landen zouden ook nog mee kunnen doen.
Maar wat voor zin heeft dit speculeren?
Het was voor Europa denk ik een prima optie geweest..zowel qua kosten als qua aantallen. Maar ja...strategisch analfabetisme en/of pro-Atlantische fixaties en sentimenten in verschillende politieke hoofdsteden en militaire hoofden. Maar goed, het is inderdaad een gepasseerd station..zelfs voor eventueel linkse regering(en)...dus nu doorpakken met de F-35 A en B en snel beginnen met de FS2040 ter toekomstige vervanging van Rafale en Typhoon. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 22:39 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 08/01/2017 | 21:46 uur
Dat de zogeheten kleine lettertjes in de contracten de Amerikanen ontsnappingsmogelijkheden geven in deze...

Alleen voor jou.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 22:41 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 08/01/2017 | 21:49 uur
of het aanstaande Indiase basis gevechtsvliegtuig..
'

Het zou mooi zijn, dan komen er 200 exemplaren bij... blijft het vermoedelijk nog steeds het laatste autonome Zweedse gevechtsvliegtuig.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 22:47 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 08/01/2017 | 21:52 uur
Het was voor Europa denk ik een prima optie geweest..zowel qua kosten als qua aantallen. Maar ja...strategisch analfabetisme en/of pro-Atlantische fixaties en sentimenten in verschillende politieke hoofdsteden en militaire hoofden. Maar goed, het is inderdaad een gepasseerd station..zelfs voor eventueel linkse regering(en)...dus nu doorpakken met de F-35 A en B en snel beginnen met de FS2040 ter toekomstige vervanging van Rafale en Typhoon.

Daar ben ik volledig voorstander van, laat de "FS2040' de basis zijn van een Europese bemande/onbemande één  pitter en het Duitse initiatief (ter eventuele vervanging van de Duistse Tornado en de Spaanse F18) de Europese twee pitter (bemand en onbemand) zodat we in 2040 goede alternatieven hebben.

Dan kunnen de Europese F35A gebruikers in de periode 2050-60 verstappen naar de C of tranche 2 versies.

Nu nog een Europese variant op de B-21, want willen we op eigen beentjes staan, dan zullen we ook hierop, net als de Russen en de Chinezen een antwoord moeten vinden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 08/01/2017 | 22:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 22:39 uur
Alleen voor jou.
Was dat maar zo...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 22:54 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 08/01/2017 | 22:49 uur
Was dat maar zo...

De politiek mag dan zakelijk naïef zijn, van het bedrijfsleven vergwacht ik  meer... als ze dit (incl. batterij advocaten) hebben laten liggen dan heb je een punt.

En tot dat moment redeneer je in aannames die nergens op gebaseerd zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/01/2017 | 09:28 uur
Pentagon is looking at F-35C nose gear issue

The US Department of Defense is said to be looking into a apparent issue that causes the F-35C naval variant to bounce around too much during catapult launches from US Navy aircraft carriers. The culprit is said to be the jet's nose gear. A so-called 'red team' is looking at the problem and a potential fix, which could take months or even years to fully implement.

The bouncing came apparent during sea trials and is said to cause momentary disorientation by F-35C pilots as they are launched from the flight deck. Pilots even mentoined physical pain during launches. The bouncing of the nose gear is clearly visible in this video, shot in 2014 during sea trials aboard aircraft carrier USS Nimitz off the coast of San Diego.

The US Navy is planning to reach Initial Operational Capability (IOC) for its F-35C in 2018, following in the footsteps of the United States Marine Corps (USMC) and the US Air Force. The former declared IOC for the F-35B in 2015, and the latter did so for the F-35A last year.

http://airheadsfly.com/2017/01/04/pentagon-is-looking-at-f-35c-nose-gear-issue/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/01/2017 | 09:32 uur
Aermacchi M-345HET ; Italy's newest jet trainer airborne

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The newest jet trainer made in Italy went to the skies for the first time on 29 December 2016, its maker Leonardo-Fnmeccanica Aircraft announced today. In rather adverse weather conditions, a spokesman confirmed, resulting in the lack of proper photographs of the achievement.

Hence the only photoshopped offical image we could find. Actually, making the first flight in bad weather is something we rather like. It may mean the manufacturer is confident of its product.

The prototype of the new Aermacchi M-345HET (High Efficiency Trainer) two-seat basic jet trainer took of from Venegono Superiore airfield in Varese, Italy, piloted by a crew of two: Quirino Bucci and Giacomo Iannelli from the Leonardo Aircraft Division.

As expected Quirino Bucci, Project Test Pilot Trainers of Leonardo Aircraft Division, expressed great satisfaction at the end of the 30 minute flight. "The aircraft conducted itself perfectly, meeting the expectations of the design parameters while showing excellent performance. The engine in particular demonstrated a great capacity to react to regime changes, which is a fundamental characteristic for a basic training aircraft."

The M-345's test campaign will be completed within 2017. The next tests will check the advanced avionics systems, the engine and the flight envelope expansion, including altitude, speed and manoeuvrability. Clean the aircraft is projected to reach 420 knots max level speed and a climb rate of 5,200 foot per minute. It should be operate up to 40,000 feet and as far as 760 nautical miles (1,410 km) with internal fuel. With 2 external fuel tanks the ferry range is aimed to be 1,000 nm (1,850 km).

http://airheadsfly.com/2016/12/30/italys-newest-jet-trainer-airborne/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/01/2017 | 10:10 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 09/01/2017 | 09:32 uur
Aermacchi M-345HET ; Italy's newest jet trainer airborne

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Op de productpagina van de fabrikant lees ik dat dit type de toestellen van de Frecce Tricolori zal gaan vervangen

M-345 HET (http://www.leonardocompany.com/en/-/m-345-het)

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/01/2017 | 10:44 uur
Onderstaande link is een Franstalig artikel over de Charles de Gaulle en de Rafale M. Het heeft interessante foto's.

Charles de Gaulle : Succès du passage au tout Rafale (http://www.meretmarine.com/fr/content/charles-de-gaulle-succes-du-passage-au-tout-rafale)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 09/01/2017 | 11:38 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/01/2017 | 22:54 uur
De politiek mag dan zakelijk naïef zijn, van het bedrijfsleven vergwacht ik  meer... als ze dit (incl. batterij advocaten) hebben laten liggen dan heb je een punt.

En tot dat moment redeneer je in aannames die nergens op gebaseerd zijn.
Was dat maar zo. Ook bij de JSF hebben we al momenten gehad dat zaken blijkbaar niet zwart op wit op papier staan en nog alle kanten op kunnen..ten bate van de producent. Ook bij eerder compensatieorders bleek er ruimte te zitten in de afspraken. En het bedrijfsleven noem ik niet..wel de ambtenaren en politici die over dit soort dossiers gaan en ook invloed hebben op de hardheid van onderhandelingen en het resultaat.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/01/2017 | 11:50 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 09/01/2017 | 11:38 uur
Was dat maar zo. Ook bij de JSF hebben we al momenten gehad dat zaken blijkbaar niet zwart op wit op papier staan en nog alle kanten op kunnen..ten bate van de producent. Ook bij eerder compensatieorders bleek er ruimte te zitten in de afspraken. En het bedrijfsleven noem ik niet..wel de ambtenaren en politici die over dit soort dossiers gaan en ook invloed hebben op de hardheid van onderhandelingen en het resultaat.

De tijd zal het leren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/01/2017 | 16:30 uur
Russia's PAKFAs to be transferred to Aerospace Forces later this year

Reuben F Johnson, Kiev - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 10 January 2017

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The Russian Aerospace Forces is expecting to receive five T-50 PAKFAs for its joint-state trials programme later this year. Source: Sukhoi

The Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) has announced that it will take delivery of its first five Sukhoi T-50 PAKFA fifth-generation fighters later this year.

Although the VKS did not specify in its announcement on 6 January when in 2017 the transfer will take place, the move will mark the end of the company trials programme for the aircraft, and the beginning of the two-stage state-joint trials programme.

In the first stage, the industry pilots that have been flying the T-50 thus far will train a cadre of military pilots on the aircraft, with the second stage of test programme flights being conducted entirely by these VKS pilots.

Current flight testing by Sukhoi of the initial T-50 aircraft has been conducted at the Gromov Flight Research Institute (LII) in Zhukovskiy. According to Russian specialists familiar with the process, these five T-50s will now be transferred to the Chkalov VKS State Flight Test Centre base No. 929 at Akhtubinsk for the joint-state trials programme.

Transfer to the VKS is also a marker for the next stage of the contract for the T-50 and the process of moving to series production of the aircraft.

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http://www.janes.com/article/66813/russia-s-pakfas-to-be-transferred-to-aerospace-forces-later-this-year
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 10/01/2017 | 22:49 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 09/01/2017 | 11:38 uur
Was dat maar zo. Ook bij de JSF hebben we al momenten gehad dat zaken blijkbaar niet zwart op wit op papier staan en nog alle kanten op kunnen..ten bate van de producent. Ook bij eerder compensatieorders bleek er ruimte te zitten in de afspraken. En het bedrijfsleven noem ik niet..wel de ambtenaren en politici die over dit soort dossiers gaan en ook invloed hebben op de hardheid van onderhandelingen en het resultaat.
Zo leren (helaas) de ervaringen tot nu toe.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/01/2017 | 17:10 uur
First F-35B Squadron Moves to Japan (http://www.defensenews.com/articles/first-f-35b-squadron-moves-to-japan)

The Green Knights On the Way to Japan: A Discussion with Lt. Col. Bardo, CO, VMFA-121 (http://www.sldinfo.com/the-green-knights-on-the-way-to-japan-a-discussion-with-lt-col-bardo-co-vmfa-121/)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/01/2017 | 10:13 uur
F-35 Program Delivers 200th Operational Jet

January 11, 2017

Tuesday marked a historical milestone for the F-35 Lightning II program.

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The 200th operational jet, the second delivery for the Japan Air Self-Defense Force, departed Lockheed Martin's Fort Worth production facility here and arrived approximately two hours later at Luke Air Force Base, Ariz. Known as AX-2, the jet joins Luke's F-35 fleet of 46 jets to train pilots from several F-35 partner countries. The F-35 program continues to grow and accelerate as it now operates in 12 locations worldwide including Israel and Italy. The program has also logged 75,000 flight hours while training more than 380 pilots and 3,700 maintainers.

https://www.f35.com/news/detail/f-35-program-delivers-200th-operational-jet
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/01/2017 | 10:18 uur
Lockheed Martin unveils wing-body tanker concept for refuel stealth aircraft

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Lockheed Martin has unveiled its concept of next-generation wing-body tanker aircraft for refuel fighters like the F-22 and F-35. That was reported by Graham Warwick.

The concept of new stealth tanker aircraft was displayed for the first time at AIAA SciTech Forum. Lockheed has already begun wind-tunnel testing on a four percent scale model of a new Hybrid Wing Body (HWB) airlifter designed for maximized aerodynamic efficiency. As Lockheed's aerospace engineers conduct flight tests on the 45-pound HWB model, they could use the data not only to develop the HWB but also to jumpstart a tanker program with a similar blended wing-body design.

The U.S. Air Force Air Mobility Command recently announced the "KC-Z" program intended to develop a next-generation tanker aircraft—one that could fly into dangerous airspace to support stealth strike fighters like the F-22 and F-35—by 2035.

The Air Force has spent the last 15 years operating in the permissive skies over Iraq and Afghanistan, with no real need for radar-evading, armed tankers, he says. But adversaries such as Russia and China are developing sophisticated surface-to-air missiles and anti-aircraft weapons designed to foil U.S. forces' ability to penetrate, leaving the Pentagon struggling to tackle the new anti-access, area-denied environment.

A stealthy, armed tanker might be part of the solution, Everhart says. The tankers of the 2030s and '40s will need to be significantly more survivable because they may accompany the next generation of fighters and bombers into this new battlefield. In other words, a nonstealthy tanker could give away the position of the stealthiest fighter jet.

The United States Air Force (USAF) is considering whether the new tanker should include standoff, stealth or penetrating capabilities for an anti-access area denial environment.

http://defence-blog.com/news/lockheed-martin-unveils-wing-body-tanker-concept-for-refuel-stealth-aircraft.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/01/2017 | 13:18 uur
Poland exploring the possibility of buying up to 96 second-hand F-16s

Poland is reported to be exploring the possibility of buying up to 96 second-hand F-16s and to overhaul and upgrade them in the country.

http://alert5.com/2017/01/12/poland-exploring-the-possibility-of-buying-up-to-96-second-hand-f-16s/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/01/2017 | 13:23 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 12/01/2017 | 13:18 uur
Poland exploring the possibility of buying up to 96 second-hand F-16s

Poland is reported to be exploring the possibility of buying up to 96 second-hand F-16s and to overhaul and upgrade them in the country.

http://alert5.com/2017/01/12/poland-exploring-the-possibility-of-buying-up-to-96-second-hand-f-16s/

Als dit echt doorgaat, dan is het een manier om hun MiG-29 en Su-22 vloot te vervangen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/01/2017 | 13:28 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/01/2017 | 13:23 uur
Als dit echt doorgaat, dan is het een manier om hun MiG-29 en Su-22 vloot te vervangen.

En een vrij grote zekerheid, onder voorbehoud van Trump, dat men tzt gaat voor de F35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/01/2017 | 13:37 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/01/2017 | 13:28 uur
En een vrij grote zekerheid, onder voorbehoud van Trump, dat men tzt gaat voor de F35.

Heb nog even Flight International World Air Forces 2016 erbij gepakt. Polen heeft 31 x MiG-29 en 32 x Su-22 naast 36 x F-16C en 12 x F-16D. 96 tweedehands F-16's erbij is een behoorlijke kwantiteit.

Als Polen ook voor de F-35 gaat, dan lijkt het mij een plan voor de lange termijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/01/2017 | 14:47 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/01/2017 | 13:37 uur
Heb nog even Flight International World Air Forces 2016 erbij gepakt. Polen heeft 31 x MiG-29 en 32 x Su-22 naast 36 x F-16C en 12 x F-16D. 96 tweedehands F-16's erbij is een behoorlijke kwantiteit.

Als Polen ook voor de F-35 gaat, dan lijkt het mij een plan voor de lange termijn.

De F-35 is voor Polen niet weggelegd, te kostbaar ... te duur voor hun, dit hebben ze al aangegeven.
Maar idd misschien op de lange termijn, over 15-20 jaar.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/01/2017 | 15:01 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 12/01/2017 | 14:47 uur
De F-35 is voor Polen niet weggelegd, te kostbaar ... te duur voor hun, dit hebben ze al aangegeven.
Maar idd misschien op de lange termijn, over 15-20 jaar.

Nu eventueel extra occasion F16, die gaan nog x jaar mee en dan in batches vervangen, we zijn zo 20 jaar verder.

Maar goed, het is speculatie, over 20 jaar is er heel misschien wel een Europees alternatief welke aansluit bij de Poolse wensen en tegen die zelfde periode moeten ook de Amerikaanse FX en FA/XX in serie van de band aflopen.

Over betaalbaarheid van die laatste 2 is natuurlijk nu nog niets te zeggen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/01/2017 | 19:39 uur
Mattis Defends Trump's F-35 Criticism

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/mattis-defends-trumps-f-35-criticism
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/01/2017 | 19:54 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/01/2017 | 19:39 uur
Mattis Defends Trump's F-35 Criticism

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/mattis-defends-trumps-f-35-criticism

Een artikel over Mattis van negen dagen geleden.

Incoming Secretary of Defense Mattis Backs F-35 Program Criticized by Trump (https://fightersweep.com/6700/incoming-secretary-defense-mattis-backs-f-35-program-criticized-trump/)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/01/2017 | 19:58 uur
US Navy hopes for next-generation F/A-XX as soon as late-2020s

Daniel Wasserbly, Washington, DC - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 12 January 2017

The US Navy is still eyeing a future fighter aircraft programme, tentatively called the F/A-XX, that is likely to be unmanned or optionally manned and emerge as soon as the late-2020s, according to outgoing Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus.

"The F/A-XX is pretty early in the process now ... you always want two generations of aircraft and the [Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter] that's coming in is going to be in the fleet for decades and so the F/A-XX is an earliest late-2020s, early 2030s aircraft," Mabus told reporters on 11 January.

Similarly, the US Air Force's F-X programme would seek to replace the Boeing F-15 Eagle, the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor, and perhaps eventually the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter.

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http://www.janes.com/article/66907/us-navy-hopes-for-next-generation-f-a-xx-as-soon-as-late-2020s
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/01/2017 | 20:13 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/01/2017 | 19:58 uur
US Navy hopes for next-generation F/A-XX as soon as late-2020s


Ambitieus... haalbaar?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/01/2017 | 14:38 uur
Einde van een tijdperk nadert  :(

RAF draws down Tornado training

Alan Warnes, RAF Lossiemouth - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 13 January 2017

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A pair of XV(R) Sqn Tornado GR4s prepare to taxi out at RAF Lossiemouth on 12 January. The last course, for refreshers, started in January. The last ab-initio pilot finishes his training in February, ahead of the squadron's disbandment in March. Source: Alan Warnes


The Royal Air Force is drawing down its training on the Panavia Tornado GR4 strike aircraft, with the service's training unit, XV(R) Squadron, beginning its last course in January.

After completion of the final course, XV(R) Squadron will disband on 31 March; ahead of the retirement of the Tornado in early 2019.

Based at RAF Lossiemouth in Scotland since November 1993, XV(R) Squadron became the Tornado Operational Conversion Unit in 1998. Hundreds of pilots and Weapons Systems Operators (WSOs) have since graduated onto an aircraft that has been serving continuous overseas operations for 27 years. In 2015 the unit celebrated its 100th anniversary, which ironically was the same year the official decision was made to close the squadron down in 2017.

Wing Commander Paul Froome, the unit's Officer Commanding (OC) told IHS Jane's on 12 January, that the decision to disband the OCU was on the basis that it would generate enough crews for the three front line units through to 2019.

The training courses are now grinding to a halt, with the final refresher training course beginning in January, and the last nine-month Long Course (No74) for ab-initio pilots set to finish in February. "We are cliff-edging" said Wg Cdr Froome who has been OC since May 2015, "We are pushing students right to the end so the Force is set up for the full two years."

The last two exchange pilots, from the United States, who had flown the A-10 and F/A-18 Hornet also graduated from XV(R) Sqn before Christmas. The last ab-initio WSOs had graduated in May 2014.

Most of the XV(R) Squadron staff crews, with their training qualifications, will be posted to one of the three squadrons at RAF Marham, Norfolk, for the duration of the Tornado Force, and will, in addition to their operational duties, carry out refresher training if required.

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http://www.janes.com/article/66936/raf-draws-down-tornado-training
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/01/2017 | 16:42 uur
The F-35 is Not Too Big to Fail (excerpt)

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/180245/watchdog-explains-why-the-f_35-in-not-too-big-to-fail.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/01/2017 | 19:31 uur
Lockheed Closing in on F-35 Deal, CEO Tells Trump

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/lockheed-ceo-tells-trump-were-closing-in-on-a-deal-for-f-35s?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Breaking%20News%201.13.17&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Breaking%20News
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/01/2017 | 22:39 uur
Trump-blog - JSF-fabrikant belooft kosten  te verminderen na gesprek Trump

http://s.vk.nl/t-a4417222/ via @volkskrant
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 13/01/2017 | 23:20 uur
Hoe willen ze dat opeens gaan doen dan? Kon toch niet? Was toch al super goedkoop?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/01/2017 | 23:32 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 13/01/2017 | 23:20 uur
Hoe willen ze dat opeens gaan doen dan? Kon toch niet? Was toch al super goedkoop?

Geen idee, maar LRIP 9 heeft een kale aanschafprijs voor een A variant (inclusief motor prijs) van US$102 miljoen (€95,8 miljoen volgens de wisselkoers van 13 januari 2017) LRIP 10 zal dus (ruim?)onder de US$100 mjn duiken... maar zover was ook al duidelijk voor Trump.

Dat er voor NL dan nog extra kosten bijkomen inclusief 21% btw is dan weer een ander (belachelijk) verhaal.

Ik laat me graag verrassen door de voortgang al zitten er nog wel een paar beren op de weg.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 14/01/2017 | 09:50 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 13/01/2017 | 23:20 uur
Hoe willen ze dat opeens gaan doen dan? Kon toch niet? Was toch al super goedkoop?
Ik weet niet of Lockheed Martin al winst maakt op de F-35?..of dat moment nu nog verder naar de toekomst schuift door zelf een groter deel van de extra kosten op zich te nemen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/01/2017 | 11:12 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 14/01/2017 | 09:50 uur
Ik weet niet of Lockheed Martin al winst maakt op de F-35?..of dat moment nu nog verder naar de toekomst schuift door zelf een groter deel van de extra kosten op zich te nemen.

In alle LRIP contracten zit een fee component.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/01/2017 | 12:29 uur
Mit Laserwaffen ins Gefecht

https://www.welt.de/print/die_welt/wirtschaft/article161167025/Mit-Laserwaffen-ins-Gefecht.html&wtmc=socialmedia.twitter.shared.web via @welt
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/01/2017 | 12:36 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/01/2017 | 12:29 uur
Mit Laserwaffen ins Gefecht


"Er soll womöglich noch bis 2050 im Dienst bleiben"

De Eurofighter Typhoon tot 2050?

Lijkt mij uitermate ongezond voor de Europese fighter industrie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 14/01/2017 | 12:37 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/01/2017 | 12:36 uur
"Er soll womöglich noch bis 2050 im Dienst bleiben"

De Eurofighter Typhoon tot 2050?

Lijkt mij uitermate ongezond voor de Europese fighter industrie.

Hoezo? Lijkt me niet heel gek. Dit hoeft geen stilstand te betekenen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/01/2017 | 12:45 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 14/01/2017 | 12:37 uur
Hoezo? Lijkt me niet heel gek. Dit hoeft geen stilstand te betekenen.

Als de rest van de wereld 5 en 6e generatie kisten bouwt en jij verder borduurt op een concept uit de jaren tachtig van de vorige eeuw dan wordt je ergens links en rechts ingehaald in je concurrentie positie.

Zou jij een in 2030 geïnteresseerd zijn een gepimpte Typhoon als je ook kan kiezen voor een FA/XX of een F/X?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 14/01/2017 | 12:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/01/2017 | 12:45 uur
Als de rest van de wereld 5 en 6e generatie kisten bouwt en jij verder borduurt op een concept uit de jaren tachtig van de vorige eeuw dan wordt je ergens links en rechts ingehaald in je concurrentie positie.

Zou jij een in 2030 geïnteresseerd zijn een gepimpte Typhoon als je ook kan kiezen voor een FA/XX of een F/X?

Capaciteit is wat telt. Bovendien, ben jij niet degene die tegen het korter met een bepaald model vliegen is? En lieven meerdere decenia met dezelfde kist werkt?
Misschien moeten we wel gewoon een 9e generatie toestel gaan ontwikkelen, maar de Typhoons die nu de fabriek uit komen zouden prima over 30 jaar nog in dienst kunnen zijn, zolang ze operationeel relevant zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/01/2017 | 12:59 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 14/01/2017 | 12:49 uur
Capaciteit is wat telt. Bovendien, ben jij niet degene die tegen het korter met een bepaald model vliegen is? En lieven meerdere decenia met dezelfde kist werkt?
Misschien moeten we wel gewoon een 9e generatie toestel gaan ontwikkelen, maar de Typhoons die nu de fabriek uit komen zouden prima over 30 jaar nog in dienst kunnen zijn, zolang ze operationeel relevant zijn.

Natuurlijk telt capaciteit, maar kijkend naar de ontwikkelingen in de rest van de wereld dan waag ik te betwijfelen of een Typhoon in 2050 nog enige relevantie heeft in 2050.

Bedenk dat de laatste nieuw gebouwde Typhoon (tenzij men nog aanzienlijke export orders weet de scoren) nog dit decennium de productielijn verlaat.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/01/2017 | 13:03 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/01/2017 | 12:45 uur
Zou jij een in 2030 geïnteresseerd zijn een gepimpte Typhoon als je ook kan kiezen voor een FA/XX of een F/X?

Dan mogen ze wel direct gaan beginnen met de F/A-XX en de F-X programma's, want 13 jaar gaat best rap voorbij.

2050 is 33 jaar vanaf nu. Er wordt nog volop gevlogen met F-15C's die gemiddeld ouder zijn dan 33 jaar en alsnog updates en upgrades krijgen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 14/01/2017 | 13:28 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/01/2017 | 23:32 uur
Geen idee, maar LRIP 9 heeft een kale aanschafprijs voor een A variant (inclusief motor prijs) van US$102 miljoen (€95,8 miljoen volgens de wisselkoers van 13 januari 2017) LRIP 10 zal dus (ruim?)onder de US$100 mjn duiken... maar zover was ook al duidelijk voor Trump.

Dat er voor NL dan nog extra kosten bijkomen inclusief 21% btw is dan weer een ander (belachelijk) verhaal.

Ik laat me graag verrassen door de voortgang al zitten er nog wel een paar beren op de weg.
;D  'GEWELDIG, wat hebben we toch een mooie aanbieding te pakken !'

Op 19 december 2015 gaf lt gen Chris Bogdan een presentatie voor de pers:
Een F-35A inclusief motor zou maar USD 102,1 miljoen kosten en de F-35B en F-35C zouden beiden ieder USD 132 miljoen moeten kosten.
Bogdan had deze bedragen afgeleid van bedragen genoemd in begroting overzichten van het congres.

Maar, ... zodra deze Bogdan zich moet verantwoorden tegenover het congres, dan noemt hij geheel andere bedragen.
Want in de 102,1 miljoen voor Lot 9, zitten geen R&D kosten, die nog steeds volop gemaakt moeten worden, omdat de ontwikkeling nog zeker tot medio jaren 20 gaat duren.
Deze 102,1 miljoen slaat alleen op de kist zelf, dus de fly-away prijs, we moeten ook nog allerlei rand-apparatuur, opleidingen, reserve-onderdelen voorraad, etcetera  meerekenen.

Afgelopen week bereikte de F-35 productie een 'mijlpaaltje' van het 200 ste exemplaar.
Hier gaat het absoluut niet om een volwaardig jachtvliegtuig, maar in feite zijn het allemaal prototypes.
Er zullen per F-35 nog vele miljoenen, denk > USD 10 miljoen, moeten worden besteed aan vervanging van verouderde en / of niet goed werkende hardware en implementatie van nieuwe software.

Voor Fiscal Year (FY) 2015 stond volgens het Pentagon en congres de totale echte prijskaart voor de diverse JSF varianten op:
F-35A:   USD 157 miljoen     (100)
F-35B:   USD 265 miljoen     (169)
F-35C:   USD 355 miljoen     (226)

Voor FY 2017 rekent het congres met de volgende F-35 (fly-away) prijzen:  Tellen we alle rand-appartuur, opleidingen etc. mee = systeem-prijs (geschat).
F-35A:   USD 113 miljoen    (100)                                                                     USD 188 miljoen
F-35B:   USD 142 miljoen    (126)                                                                     USD 236 miljoen
F-35C:   USD 241 miljoen    (213)                                                                     USD 402 miljoen

Voor Nederland komen daar niet alleen BTW en invoerrechten over, maar deze prijzen zijn voor het Pentagon.  Export klanten krijgen ook nog eens de gemaakte R&D kosten doorberekend, reken op ruwweg USD 40 miljoen per kist en zullen altijd veel kleinere aantallen aanschaffen.
En hoe nauwkeurig zijn deze prijzen, waar het congres mee werkt ?   Het is voor een buitenstaander bijna, zo niet onmogelijk om na te gaan wat de echte kosten van een F-35 zijn, want de productie kosten zijn verdeeld over een wir war van tientallen tot honderden verschillende contracten.

Wat zei Lockheed Martin vorig decennium ook al weer ?
De kostprijs voor een F-35 zal pas na een productie aantal van 1.600 stuks echt structureel gaan dalen.
Mwah, nog 1.400 exemplaren te gaan.

Wat zei de juridisch bindende Request For Information van april 2008 gedaan door de Noorse regering ook al weer ?
Rond 2020 heeft de F-35A een systeem-prijs van tussen de USD 165 en USD 235 miljoen.   ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/01/2017 | 13:34 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 14/01/2017 | 13:03 uur
Dan mogen ze wel direct gaan beginnen met de F/A-XX en de F-X programma's, want 13 jaar gaat best rap voorbij.


De start is voorzichtig gemaakt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/01/2017 | 13:40 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 14/01/2017 | 13:03 uur
2050 is 33 jaar vanaf nu. Er wordt nog volop gevlogen met F-15C's die gemiddeld ouder zijn dan 33 jaar en alsnog updates en upgrades krijgen.

Het is niet het punt is niet dat een Typhoon in 2050 nog rondvliegt, dat zal best, het punt is als ze blijven door ontwikkelen naar mod. 88, dat de rest van de wereld het belangrijkste Europese gevechtsvliegtuig aan alle kanten heeft ingehaald.

Nul komma nul kansen op export orders... ook prima, als het apparaat na 2040 nog maar in staat is om ons continent te verdedigen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/01/2017 | 13:47 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 14/01/2017 | 13:28 uur
;D  'GEWELDIG, wat hebben we toch een mooie aanbieding te pakken !'

Op 19 december 2015 gaf lt gen Chris Bogdan een presentatie voor de pers:
Een F-35A inclusief motor zou maar USD 102,1 miljoen kosten en de F-35B en F-35C zouden beiden ieder USD 132 miljoen moeten kosten.
Bogdan had deze bedragen afgeleid van bedragen genoemd in begroting overzichten van het congres.

Maar, ... zodra deze Bogdan zich moet verantwoorden tegenover het congres, dan noemt hij geheel andere bedragen.
Want in de 102,1 miljoen voor Lot 9, zitten geen R&D kosten, die nog steeds volop gemaakt moeten worden, omdat de ontwikkeling nog zeker tot medio jaren 20 gaat duren.
Deze 102,1 miljoen slaat alleen op de kist zelf, dus de fly-away prijs, we moeten ook nog allerlei rand-apparatuur, opleidingen, reserve-onderdelen voorraad, etcetera  meerekenen.

Afgelopen week bereikte de F-35 productie een 'mijlpaaltje' van het 200 ste exemplaar.
Hier gaat het absoluut niet om een volwaardig jachtvliegtuig, maar in feite zijn het allemaal prototypes.
Er zullen per F-35 nog vele miljoenen, denk > USD 10 miljoen, moeten worden besteed aan vervanging van verouderde en / of niet goed werkende hardware en implementatie van nieuwe software.

Voor Fiscal Year (FY) 2015 stond volgens het Pentagon en congres de totale echte prijskaart voor de diverse JSF varianten op:
F-35A:   USD 157 miljoen     (100)
F-35B:   USD 265 miljoen     (169)
F-35C:   USD 355 miljoen     (226)

Voor FY 2017 rekent het congres met de volgende F-35 (fly-away) prijzen:  Tellen we alle rand-appartuur, opleidingen etc. mee = systeem-prijs (geschat).
F-35A:   USD 113 miljoen    (100)                                                                     USD 188 miljoen
F-35B:   USD 142 miljoen    (126)                                                                     USD 236 miljoen
F-35C:   USD 241 miljoen    (213)                                                                     USD 402 miljoen

Voor Nederland komen daar niet alleen BTW en invoerrechten over, maar deze prijzen zijn voor het Pentagon.  Export klanten krijgen ook nog eens de gemaakte R&D kosten doorberekend, reken op ruwweg USD 40 miljoen per kist en zullen altijd veel kleinere aantallen aanschaffen.
En hoe nauwkeurig zijn deze prijzen, waar het congres mee werkt ?   Het is voor een buitenstaander bijna, zo niet onmogelijk om na te gaan wat de echte kosten van een F-35 zijn, want de productie kosten zijn verdeeld over een wir war van tientallen tot honderden verschillende contracten.

Wat zei Lockheed Martin vorig decennium ook al weer ?
De kostprijs voor een F-35 zal pas na een productie aantal van 1.600 stuks echt structureel gaan dalen.
Mwah, nog 1.400 exemplaren te gaan.

Wat zei de juridisch bindende Request For Information van april 2008 gedaan door de Noorse regering ook al weer ?
Rond 2020 heeft de F-35A een systeem-prijs van tussen de USD 165 en USD 235 miljoen.   ;)

Hoe verhoud dit zich inmiddels t.o.v. de meest recente varianten van de Rafale, Typoon en de Super hornet?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 15/01/2017 | 12:30 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/01/2017 | 13:40 uur


Het is niet het punt is niet dat een Typhoon in 2050 nog rondvliegt, dat zal best, het punt is als ze blijven door ontwikkelen naar mod. 88, dat de rest van de wereld het belangrijkste Europese gevechtsvliegtuig aan alle kanten heeft ingehaald.

Nul komma nul kansen op export orders... ook prima, als het apparaat na 2040 nog maar in staat is om ons continent te verdedigen.

Nu is mijn Duits niet zo sterk, maar dat staat er toch ook, er staat toch niet dat het toestel in 2050 nog geproduceerd wordt?
Sterker nog, de inmiddels 45 jaar oude F16 zal tegen die tijd ook nog wel rond vliegen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 15/01/2017 | 12:34 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 14/01/2017 | 13:28 uur
;D  'GEWELDIG, wat hebben we toch een mooie aanbieding te pakken !'

Op 19 december 2015 gaf lt gen Chris Bogdan een presentatie voor de pers:
Een F-35A inclusief motor zou maar USD 102,1 miljoen kosten en de F-35B en F-35C zouden beiden ieder USD 132 miljoen moeten kosten.
Bogdan had deze bedragen afgeleid van bedragen genoemd in begroting overzichten van het congres.

Maar, ... zodra deze Bogdan zich moet verantwoorden tegenover het congres, dan noemt hij geheel andere bedragen.
Want in de 102,1 miljoen voor Lot 9, zitten geen R&D kosten, die nog steeds volop gemaakt moeten worden, omdat de ontwikkeling nog zeker tot medio jaren 20 gaat duren.
Deze 102,1 miljoen slaat alleen op de kist zelf, dus de fly-away prijs, we moeten ook nog allerlei rand-apparatuur, opleidingen, reserve-onderdelen voorraad, etcetera  meerekenen.

Afgelopen week bereikte de F-35 productie een 'mijlpaaltje' van het 200 ste exemplaar.
Hier gaat het absoluut niet om een volwaardig jachtvliegtuig, maar in feite zijn het allemaal prototypes.
Er zullen per F-35 nog vele miljoenen, denk > USD 10 miljoen, moeten worden besteed aan vervanging van verouderde en / of niet goed werkende hardware en implementatie van nieuwe software.

Voor Fiscal Year (FY) 2015 stond volgens het Pentagon en congres de totale echte prijskaart voor de diverse JSF varianten op:
F-35A:   USD 157 miljoen     (100)
F-35B:   USD 265 miljoen     (169)
F-35C:   USD 355 miljoen     (226)

Voor FY 2017 rekent het congres met de volgende F-35 (fly-away) prijzen:  Tellen we alle rand-appartuur, opleidingen etc. mee = systeem-prijs (geschat).
F-35A:   USD 113 miljoen    (100)                                                                     USD 188 miljoen
F-35B:   USD 142 miljoen    (126)                                                                     USD 236 miljoen
F-35C:   USD 241 miljoen    (213)                                                                     USD 402 miljoen

Voor Nederland komen daar niet alleen BTW en invoerrechten over, maar deze prijzen zijn voor het Pentagon.  Export klanten krijgen ook nog eens de gemaakte R&D kosten doorberekend, reken op ruwweg USD 40 miljoen per kist en zullen altijd veel kleinere aantallen aanschaffen.
En hoe nauwkeurig zijn deze prijzen, waar het congres mee werkt ?   Het is voor een buitenstaander bijna, zo niet onmogelijk om na te gaan wat de echte kosten van een F-35 zijn, want de productie kosten zijn verdeeld over een wir war van tientallen tot honderden verschillende contracten.

Wat zei Lockheed Martin vorig decennium ook al weer ?
De kostprijs voor een F-35 zal pas na een productie aantal van 1.600 stuks echt structureel gaan dalen.
Mwah, nog 1.400 exemplaren te gaan.

Wat zei de juridisch bindende Request For Information van april 2008 gedaan door de Noorse regering ook al weer ?
Rond 2020 heeft de F-35A een systeem-prijs van tussen de USD 165 en USD 235 miljoen.   ;)

Wie krijgt eigenlijk de Royalties? Gaan die naar Defensie of komen die bij de algemene middelen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/01/2017 | 12:48 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 15/01/2017 | 12:30 uur
Nu is mijn Duits niet zo sterk, maar dat staat er toch ook, er staat toch niet dat het toestel in 2050 nog geproduceerd wordt?
Sterker nog, de inmiddels 45 jaar oude F16 zal tegen die tijd ook nog wel rond vliegen.

Dat staat er ook niet.... alleen het opperen van de gedachte betekend m.i. dat er voor 2025/30 nog geen plannen zijn voor een opvolger... dat baart mij zorgen, zeker als je dit afzet tegen de initiatieven voor volgende generatie gevechtsvliegtuigen buiten Europa.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: dudge op 15/01/2017 | 14:16 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/01/2017 | 12:48 uur
Dat staat er ook niet.... alleen het opperen van de gedachte betekend m.i. dat er voor 2025/30 nog geen plannen zijn voor een opvolger... dat baart mij zorgen, zeker als je dit afzet tegen de initiatieven voor volgende generatie gevechtsvliegtuigen buiten Europa.

Als je ergens mee blijft werken, zul je het ook moeten upgraden. Ook als de opvolger vanaf 2020 wél van de loopband zou rollen, moet de Typhoon gewoon geupgrade worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/01/2017 | 14:38 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 15/01/2017 | 14:16 uur
Als je ergens mee blijft werken, zul je het ook moeten upgraden. Ook als de opvolger vanaf 2020 wél van de loopband zou rollen, moet de Typhoon gewoon geupgrade worden.

Dat zondermeer... mijn punt is dat Europa zich op het fighter vlak (zeker export technisch) in de komende decennia buiten spel lijkt te zetten.

Het pleit voor de suggestie van Poleme om Europa te laten aansluiten bij de ontwikkeling van de Amerikaanse FA/XX en/of F/X.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 15/01/2017 | 16:30 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/01/2017 | 14:38 uur
Dat zondermeer... mijn punt is dat Europa zich op het fighter vlak (zeker export technisch) in de komende decennia buiten spel lijkt te zetten.

Het pleit voor de suggestie van Poleme om Europa te laten aansluiten bij de ontwikkeling van de Amerikaanse FA/XX en/of F/X.
Ik zie daar nog geen reden toe. Het aansluiten bij de JSF ontwikkeling door een aantal EUropese landen is nu niet echt profijtelijk voor Europa. Al kiest de belangrijkste deelnemer, de UK, nu voor een eigen sterfhuisconstructie buiten de EU. Misschien ook wel beter dat zij dat eerst zelf volbrengen de komende jaren.

Er wordt gewerkt aan een toekomstige Europese jager. Eerst voor mogelijke opvolging van de Tornado, maar later ook voor die van de Typhoon en Rafale. Het artikel geeft volgens mij alleen aan dat tot 2050 beide toestellen nog wel rondvliegen. Dat zal voor de laatste toestellen die nu pas in de sterkte komen wel kloppen. Voor die tijd zal men al de opvolger hebben ontwikkeld...wat mij betreft een eigen Europese jager. Al was het maar omdat wij strategisch een andere weg bewandelen dan de Amerikanen. Dat zie je terug in de toestellen die wij ontwikkelen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/01/2017 | 16:38 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 15/01/2017 | 16:30 uur
wat mij betreft een eigen Europese jager. Al was het maar omdat wij strategisch een andere weg bewandelen dan de Amerikanen. Dat zie je terug in de toestellen die wij ontwikkelen.

Die voorkeur heb ik ook, meer tempo is geboden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/01/2017 | 09:25 uur
Italy orders M-345 and looks for Mangusta replacement

Italy has signed a deal with Italian company Leonardo for the delivery of an initial five M-345 HET (High Efficiency Trainer) aircraft to the Italian Air Force, Leonardo reported on Friday 13 January. Also, a contract was signed for the development of a new light attack and recce helicopter for the Italian Army, replacing the Mangusta. The combined value of the contracts totals over 500 million EUR.

The M-345 HET first flew only on 29 December last year. Leonardo reports that the Italian Air Force has a requirement for around 45 M-345s to replace MB-339 trainers which entered service in 1982.  Most noticable, the M-345 HET is to equip Italy's aerial demonstration team Frecce Tricolori, which now also uses the MB-339. First M-345 delivery is expected by 2019.

In its training role, the new aircraft will work alongside a fleet of 18 twin-engine Aermacchi M-346s ordered by the Italian Air Force for advanced pilot training. Leonardo puts the M-345 and M-346 on the market as 'the world's most advanced training system for military pilots'.

Manugusta replacement

The helicopter contract involves the study, development, industrialization, production and testing of a prototype and three initial production helicopters for the Italian Army. The program is aimed at replacing the current fleet of AW129 Mangusta light attack choppers with 48 new assets By that time, the Mangusta will have been in service for over 35 years in operations.

http://airheadsfly.com/2017/01/13/italy_m345_leonardo_mangusta/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 16/01/2017 | 11:55 uur
Interessant..
Vraag is... Gaan de Italianen een Mangusta opvolger ontwerpen of gaan ze de... Tiger-richting uit?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 16/01/2017 | 12:19 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 16/01/2017 | 11:55 uur
Interessant..
Vraag is... Gaan de Italianen een Mangusta opvolger ontwerpen of gaan ze de... Tiger-richting uit?
Gezien de slechte economische situatie van Italië verwacht ik geen eigen ontwerp. Al is een alleingang dezer dagen politiek wel populair. Ik verwacht dat de Tiger als optie wordt bekeken, net als de Apache en Cobra, maar men uiteindelijk voor de TAI/AgustaWestland T129 kiest.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/01/2017 | 14:38 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 16/01/2017 | 11:55 uur
Interessant..
Vraag is... Gaan de Italianen een Mangusta opvolger ontwerpen of gaan ze de... Tiger-richting uit?

Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 16/01/2017 | 12:19 uur
Gezien de slechte economische situatie van Italië verwacht ik geen eigen ontwerp. Al is een alleingang dezer dagen politiek wel populair. Ik verwacht dat de Tiger als optie wordt bekeken, net als de Apache en Cobra, maar men uiteindelijk voor de TAI/AgustaWestland T129 kiest.

Zie artikel:

Leonardo to develop Mangusta replacement for Italy (http://www.janes.com/article/66970/leonardo-to-develop-mangusta-replacement-for-italy)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 16/01/2017 | 14:44 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 16/01/2017 | 14:38 uur
Zie artikel:

Leonardo to develop Mangusta replacement for Italy (http://www.janes.com/article/66970/leonardo-to-develop-mangusta-replacement-for-italy)
Ik las dat er eerder al een voorstel is geweest voor een zwaar bewapende AW149M als vervanger. Toen koos men voor het upgraden van de bestaande Mangusta's. We zullen het zien...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 16/01/2017 | 17:05 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 16/01/2017 | 14:44 uur
Ik las dat er eerder al een voorstel is geweest voor een zwaar bewapende AW149M als vervanger. Toen koos men voor het upgraden van de bestaande Mangusta's. We zullen het zien...

Heb je daar een link van?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 16/01/2017 | 17:35 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 16/01/2017 | 17:05 uur
Heb je daar een link van?
Wiki pagina..bij Operational history..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agusta_A129_Mangusta
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 16/01/2017 | 18:26 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 16/01/2017 | 17:35 uur
Wiki pagina..bij Operational history..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agusta_A129_Mangusta

Dank je wel.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/italian-army-describes-mangusta-upgrade-wish-list-408177/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 17/01/2017 | 09:53 uur
Taiwan kicks off F-16V upgrade program

Upgrade of the nation's fleet of F-16 jets begins

An upgrade of the nation's fleet of F-16 jets began yesterday, with four of the aircraft flown to a plant in Taichung to undergo retrofitting, the air force said yesterday.

The four warplanes are the first batch to be upgraded to F-16Vs, an enhanced variant of the F-16A/B, of which the nation has a fleet of 144.

The NT$110 billion (US$3.47 billion) Phoenix Rising Project aims to upgrade all the F-16A/Bs to F-16Vs.

Taiwan is to be the first nation worldwide to have a fleet of F-16Vs, which Minister of National Defense Feng Shih-kuan (馮世寬) said could match China's Chengdu J-20 stealth fighter.

Aerospace Industrial Development Corp (AIDC) and US aerospace firm Lockheed Martin Corp, the original producer of F-16s, were awarded the contract to carry out the upgrades.

Lockheed Martin in 2015 completed the upgrade and test flight of an F-16 owned by Taiwan but stationed at a US Air Force base.

AIDC is responsible for carrying out the retrofitting program in Taiwan, with the first four F-16Vs expected to be upgraded by the end of this year.

The firm refused to disclose the upgrade schedule in detail due to its agreement with Lockheed Martin.

According to Republic of China Air Force Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Fan Ta-wei's (范大維) statement at a legislative session in November last year, AIDC is to complete the upgrade of 25 to 28 F-16s every year and the air force's entire fleet — including 10 F-16s stationed at a US base — will be upgraded by 2023.

The upgraded aircraft are to be fitted with active electronically scanned array fire-control radar — the most important feature of the upgrade — which enables F-16Vs to detect stealth aircraft.

The F-16Vs are also to be equipped with advanced avionics, including a new flight management system and helmet-mounted display system, and the upgraded jets would carry more advanced missiles, such as AIM-9X Sidewinders.

With a radar system on a par with those of fifth-generation fighters, the F-16Vs are expected to shoulder the nation's air defense for the next two decades.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2017/01/17/2003663237
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 17/01/2017 | 10:17 uur
" Restoring American Power" van Senator McCain, betreffende de opbouw vliegtuigen voor USAF, USN ;

(grootse plannen, maar ook hele veranderingen in typen en aantallen)

- The Navy should boost procurement of manned submarines from two per year to three per year in 2020 and four per year starting in 2021; procure an added 58 F/A-18 E/F Super Hornets, and 16 additional EA-18G Growlers, in light of F-35C delays. 

- To fix readiness problems, the Marines should speed procurement of replacement aircraft like the F-35B, CH-53K helicopter and KC-130J tanker; F-35B procurement should be increased by 20 aircraft over the next five years.

- The Air Force, in light of China and Russia's planned advancements, may need 1,500 fighter aircraft and an end-strength boost of 20,000. It should rethink number of F-35A buys, given ongoing capacity shortfalls, but may need more B-21 bombers. While sustaining the A-10 close air support fighter fleet, procure 300 low cost, light attack fighters —the first 200 by 2022.


Omtrent de vermindering van de F-35A, deed hij de onderstaande uitspraak ;

For Lockheed Martin's embattled joint strike fighter, the Air Force's goal of 1,763 F-35As by 2040 is "is unrealistic and requires re-evaluation, and likely a reduction," but the Air Force should buy as many as possible for now, McCain says.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/john-mccain-has-a-big-league-defense-buildup-too-new-white-paper-released
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/01/2017 | 19:53 uur
If Trump Wants Lower F-35 Costs, He Should Compete F135 Engine

http://breakingdefense.com/2017/01/if-trump-wants-lower-f-35-costs-he-should-compete-f135-engine/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/01/2017 | 08:16 uur
Met een interessante passage over een (eventueel) nieuw Europees gevechtsvliegtuig waarbij men voorsorteert op het, op termijn,  niet houdbaar zijn van 3 verschillende Europese types.

Trumps Nato-Schelte: Europa alarmiert - Airbus hofft auf höhere Rüstungsausgaben

http://spon.de/aeUdw via @SPIEGELONLINE
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 18/01/2017 | 10:42 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/01/2017 | 08:16 uur
Met een interessante passage over een (eventueel) nieuw Europees gevechtsvliegtuig waarbij men voorsorteert op het, op termijn,  niet houdbaar zijn van 3 verschillende Europese types.

Trumps Nato-Schelte: Europa alarmiert - Airbus hofft auf höhere Rüstungsausgaben

http://spon.de/aeUdw via @SPIEGELONLINE
Interessant dat wordt vermeld dat er gesprekken tussen Airbus en Saab zijn over een eventuele samenwerking voor een volgend Europees gevechtsvliegtuig.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/01/2017 | 11:04 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 18/01/2017 | 10:42 uur
Interessant dat wordt vermeld dat er gesprekken tussen Airbus en Saab zijn over een eventuele samenwerking voor een volgend Europees gevechtsvliegtuig.

En, voor zover ik het begrijp, ook met Dassault.

Doorpakken is het devies zonder een 13 in 1 dozijn oplossing, dan komen we wellicht ergens in de aankomende decennia.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/01/2017 | 13:17 uur
JPO Public Response Statement: DOT&E 2016 Annual Report on the F-35

Attributable to Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan, F-35 Program Executive Officer // January 17, 2017

The independent program review from the OSD Director of Operational Test and Evaluation (DOT&E) is an annual occurrence, and the process was executed with unfettered access to information and with the full cooperation of the F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO). The latest DOT&E report contained no surprises; all of the issues are well-known to the JPO, the U.S. services, our international partners, and our industry team.

The F-35 flight test program, as well as the F-35 fleet users, made significant progress in maturing and proving the capability of the aircraft during 2016. For example, the program:


These accomplishments prove the basic design of the F-35 is sound and test results reinforce our confidence in the ultimate performance the U.S. and its partners and allies value greatly.

As a reminder, the F-35 program is still in its developmental phase. This is the time when issues are expected to be discovered and solutions are implemented to maximize the F-35's capability for the warfighter. While the development program is more than 90 percent complete, we recognize there are known deficiencies that must be corrected and there remains the potential for future findings.

The JPO also recognizes that the completion of the development program is event-driven. The F-35 Joint Program Office and Industry will continue to mature, test and verify F-35 capabilities until the full Block 3F capability is delivered to F-35 customers. Although there is a baseline schedule to complete this work, there is no plan to truncate or end development before the full capability is delivered. The Department has directed the JPO to be ready with appropriate resources to continue development beyond the scheduled end date, if necessary.

Our commitment to overcoming challenges is unwavering. The Joint Program Office will continue to work with the F-35 enterprise to make corrections and improvements as quickly as possible. At the completion of the F‑35 development program, the objective is to deliver full Block 3F capabilities (Mission Systems, Weapons & Flight Envelope) for the Services and International partners and customers. We thank the DOT&E for their assistance as we remain focused on developing, delivering and sustaining the world's finest, fighter aircraft.

https://www.f35.com/news/detail/jpo-public-response-statement-dote-2016-annual-report-on-the-f-35
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 18/01/2017 | 13:17 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/01/2017 | 11:04 uur
En, voor zover ik het begrijp, ook met Dassault.

Doorpakken is het devies zonder een 13 in 1 dozijn oplossing, dan komen we wellicht ergens in de aankomende decennia.
Ja..de vraag alleen of men dit al moet gaan inzetten voor de huidige Duitse behoefte aan een nieuw toestel voor de Tornado-vervanging. Of pas voor vervanging Typhoon, Rafale en Gripen. Ik neig naar het laatste, omdat de andere Europese gebruikers van de Tornado de F-35 als vervanging invoeren nu. Zou Duitsland ook kunnen doen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/01/2017 | 13:33 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 18/01/2017 | 13:17 uur
Ja..de vraag alleen of men dit al moet gaan inzetten voor de huidige Duitse behoefte aan een nieuw toestel voor de Tornado-vervanging. Of pas voor vervanging Typhoon, Rafale en Gripen. Ik neig naar het laatste, omdat de andere Europese gebruikers van de Tornado de F-35 als vervanging invoeren nu. Zou Duitsland ook kunnen doen.

Het is allemaal nog erg vaag, misschien hebben we het wel over één en dezelfde oplossing, want louter een Tornado vervanger voor alleen Duitsland (versus aantal) is een hele kostbare geschiedenis.

Vandaag beginnen biedt pas een operationele oplossing, op z'n vroegst over 20 á 25 jaar, dan spreken we dus al over de periode 2037-2042. (tenzij men bewezen technologie gaat gebruiken in een nieuw jasje)

Aangezien het vandaag niet zal zijn en vast nog enige tijd gaat duren voor de kogel door de kerk is zie ik  wat graag wat meer een concretere bewegingen... achter de schermen gebeurt tenminste iets, waarbij ik me wel afvraag of één type, wellicht een middelzware/zware oplossing, wel de ideale Europese oplossing is?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 18/01/2017 | 15:06 uur
Ik hoop dat het Saab, Airbus verhaal vooral over de motor gaat. Dan moet Frankrijk ook meedoen, anders krijgen we hetzelfde verhaal als met de Eurofighter en Rafale.
Idd geen 13 in 1 project zoals de JSF/F-35. Dan lever enkele toestellen. Maar vier zoals nu (F-16/F-35; tornado/?F-35?; gripen; Eurofighter; Rafale) is wat aan de vele kant.
Moet er in oost Europa niet ook nog een flink aantal jagers vervangen of erbij komen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 18/01/2017 | 16:42 uur
Ja, alleen de aanschafprijs hé? Daarom zou het ook erg fijn zijn om wellicht twee fighters te krijgen; een goedkope en een dure. (Een beetje een F-16 vs F-15 idee.) Hoe ze de boel even duur of goedkoper willen krijgen als een Gripen, ik heb geen flauw idee.

(Waarbij het de moeite waard is te vermelden dat voor veel Oost-Europese landen een Gripen C/D vloot al te duur is.)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/01/2017 | 17:02 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 18/01/2017 | 16:42 uur
Ja, alleen de aanschafprijs hé? Daarom zou het ook erg fijn zijn om wellicht twee fighters te krijgen; een goedkope en een dure. (Een beetje een F-16 vs F-15 idee.) Hoe ze de boel even duur of goedkoper willen krijgen als een Gripen, ik heb geen flauw idee.

Als Frankrijk de Rafale M ook hierdoor laat vervangen, dan komt er sowieso een CATOBAR versie bij.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 18/01/2017 | 18:15 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 18/01/2017 | 15:06 uur
Ik hoop dat het Saab, Airbus verhaal vooral over de motor gaat. Dan moet Frankrijk ook meedoen, anders krijgen we hetzelfde verhaal als met de Eurofighter en Rafale.
Idd geen 13 in 1 project zoals de JSF/F-35. Dan lever enkele toestellen. Maar vier zoals nu (F-16/F-35; tornado/?F-35?; gripen; Eurofighter; Rafale) is wat aan de vele kant.
Moet er in oost Europa niet ook nog een flink aantal jagers vervangen of erbij komen?

Hoe bedoel je motor?
Ik meen toch dat veel Saab's(als ik ze zo mag noemen.)Volvo's aan boord hebben(motor),of zit ik fout?  :confused:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/01/2017 | 18:27 uur
Citaat van: walter leever op 18/01/2017 | 18:15 uur
Hoe bedoel je motor?
Ik meen toch dat veel Saab's(als ik ze zo mag noemen.)Volvo's aan boord hebben(motor),of zit ik fout?  :confused:

De Saab JAS 39 A-D Gripen heeft een Volvo Aero RM12 (afgeleide van de GE F404) en de JAS 39 E Gripen heeft een GE F414.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/01/2017 | 18:30 uur
Een Sldinfo.com artikel over de RAF Typhoons en hun inzet tot omstreeks 2040.

RAF Air Commodore Duguid Looks at the Future of the RAF: Shaping a Key Role for Typhoon (http://www.sldinfo.com/raf-air-commodore-duguid-looks-at-the-future-of-the-raf-shaping-a-key-role-for-typhoon/)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 18/01/2017 | 19:07 uur
Frankrijk stapte uit Eurofighter project omdat de EJ200 werd verkozen, in plaats van de M88 motor die met franse subsidie is ontwikkeld. Dus ging Frankrijk alleen de Rafale ontwikkelen. Volgens mij is de straal motor ongeveer een derde van de kostprijs van een straaljager. De EJ200 en F414 zijn kwa performance redelijk gelijk.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 18/01/2017 | 19:13 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 18/01/2017 | 17:02 uur
Als Frankrijk de Rafale M ook hierdoor laat vervangen, dan komt er sowieso een CATOBAR versie bij.
Een navalized versie is wat mij betreft een variant van één van de twee (vermoedelijk de goedkope).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/01/2017 | 19:37 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 18/01/2017 | 19:13 uur
Een navalized versie is wat mij betreft een variant van één van de twee (vermoedelijk de goedkope).

Carrier gebruikers zijn redelijk trouw aan twee pitters dus om nu al het vermoeden uit te spreken dat dit de (eventuele) goedkopere variant wordt is misschien iets te ver voor de muziek uitlopen.

Als ik eerdere Duitse publicaties goed heb begrepen dan wil men (de Duitsers) inzetten op evolutie in een nieuwe jas, niet op revolutie, wellicht dé of een methode om het bul, bemand en wellicht onbemand betaalbaar te houden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 18/01/2017 | 21:18 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/01/2017 | 19:37 uur
Carrier gebruikers zijn redelijk trouw aan twee pitters dus om nu al het vermoeden uit te spreken dat dit de (eventuele) goedkopere variant wordt is misschien iets te ver voor de muziek uitlopen.

Je vergeet de lessen uit het verleden de Saab Sea Gripen zie ik  als een moderne versie van de A4 Skyhawk  en qa grote zit de Sea Gripen tussen de A4 Skyhawk en de  F-8 Crusader en beide toestellen zijn een pitters. Daarnaast heb je een carrier van slechts 25.000 ton nodig wat de betaalbare oplossing is voor bepaalde landen een F35 B is voor diverse landen veel te duur.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-4_Skyhawk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_F-8_Crusader


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/01/2017 | 21:26 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 18/01/2017 | 21:18 uur
Je vergeet de lessen uit het verleden de Saab Sea Grippen zie ik  als een moderne versie van de A4 Skyhawk  en qa grote zit de Sea Grippen tussen de A4 Skyhawk en de  F-8 Crusader en beide toestellen zijn een pitters.


Die vergeet ik niet en ik realiseer mij dat de F35C net als de recent bedankte Super Étendard ook "slechts" een 1 pitter is.... de Sea Grpen is niets meer dan een tekentafel ontwerp en het is nog maar afwachten of deze ooit het luchtruim zal kiezen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 18/01/2017 | 21:34 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/01/2017 | 21:26 uur
Die vergeet ik niet en ik realiseer mij dat de F35C net als de recent bedankte Super Étendard ook "slechts" een 1 pitter is.... de Sea Grpen is niets meer dan een tekentafel ontwerp en het is nog maar afwachten of deze ooit het luchtruim zal kiezen.

Dat de Sea Gripen komt hangt van Brazilie en India af en vooral van Brazilie want de ik weet niet of een Rafale M geschikt is om op de São Paulo (A12) te landen en op te stijgen.
India heeft ook Mig 29's als optie Brazilie heeft deze optie niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/01/2017 | 22:02 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 18/01/2017 | 21:34 uur
Dat de Sea Gripen komt hangt van Brazilie en India af en vooral van Brazilie want de ik weet niet of een Rafale M geschikt is om op de São Paulo (A12) te landen en op te stijgen.
India heeft ook Mig 29's als optie Brazilie heeft deze optie niet.

Mee eens,

Het zou zelfs nog interessanter worden als India kiest voor 200 made in India Gripen E/F ipv de
F16C/D block 70.

De Braziliaanse carrier moet nog maar zien te overleven, afwachten maar.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 18/01/2017 | 23:46 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 18/01/2017 | 21:34 uur
Dat de Sea Gripen komt hangt van Brazilie en India af en vooral van Brazilie want de ik weet niet of een Rafale M geschikt is om op de São Paulo (A12) te landen en op te stijgen.
India heeft ook Mig 29's als optie Brazilie heeft deze optie niet.
Ik meen te herinneren dat de Rafale M tests gedaan heeft op de Foch/Clémenceau voor dat deze vervangen werd(en) door de CDG.
De Foch is in dienst bij de Brazilianen, als de A12 Sao Paulo, dus in theorie is het mogelijk. (Hoewel deze reparatiewerken ondergaat na een grote machinekamerbrand)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/01/2017 | 09:57 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 18/01/2017 | 23:46 uur
Ik meen te herinneren dat de Rafale M tests gedaan heeft op de Foch/Clémenceau voor dat deze vervangen werd(en) door de CDG.
De Foch is in dienst bij de Brazilianen, als de A12 Sao Paulo, dus in theorie is het mogelijk. (Hoewel deze reparatiewerken ondergaat na een grote machinekamerbrand)

De Rafale M kan tot een beperkt maximaal gewicht vanaf de Clémenceau/Foch-klasse opstijgen. De wapenlast is hierdoor minder dan gebruik vanaf de Charles de Gaulle. Je kunt je dus afvragen of men met de beperkingen kan leven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/01/2017 | 10:44 uur
F-35B arrives in Japan

18 January, 2017 | SOURCE: Flightglobal.com | BY: Leigh Giangreco | Washington DC

US Marine Corps F-35B fighters made their inaugural trip to Air Station Iwakuni, Japan on 18 January, where the Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 121 will operate the Lockheed Martin stealth fighter on its first operational deployment overseas.

Before arriving in Japan, the squadron was stationed with the the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing at MCAS Yuma, Arizona. The USMC converted the Boeing F/A-18D squadron to F-35Bs at Yuma after declaring initial operational capability in July 2015. A total of 16 F-35Bs are expected to arrive to Iwakuni this year, a Marine spokesman tells FlightGlobal.

The short take-off vertical landing variant will replace the Marine Corps' AV-8B Harrier, F/A-18 Hornet and EA-6B Prowler.

The deployment means the F-35B becomes the first US stealth aircraft to be permanently based west of Hawaii and Alaska in the Pacific theatre. The US Air Force also deploys Lockheed F-22s and Northrop Grumman B-2s into Asia on a temporary basis.

In the next few years, the USMC unit will be joined by new F-35As delivered to foreign air forces in Australia, Japan and South Korea. At the same time, China's People's Liberation Army Air Force is fielding the Avic J-20, a stealthy, twin-engined aircraft.

(https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=69420)

https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=69420
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/01/2017 | 11:51 uur
Air Force Mulls Low-Cost Fighter Experiment

The Air Force intends to conduct an informal experiment of a potential light attack fighter aircraft the service could use in ongoing counterterrorism air campaigns, the service's top general said Wednesday.

Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein said the Air Force is looking to programs such as Textron's Scorpion to potentially provide an inexpensive fighter capable of performing close-air support missions.

"We're right now just having this dialogue with industry partners," Goldfein told reporters after speaking at an American Enterprise Institute event in Washington, D.C. "Making sure they know that we're putting this on — dates, still to be determined. But probably around the springtime."

Goldfein, saying there is no request for information at this time, did not elaborate on how the experiment would be conducted or what it would entail — whether it would be just a viewing of various industry light attack aircraft, simulation trials or flight demonstration.

His comments come days after Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain released his white paper assessment on how the Defense Department should move forward in military spending.

The former Navy pilot stressed that, while the service should sustain its A-10 Thunderbolt II fighter fleet for close-air support, "the Air Force should procure 300 low-cost, light-attack fighters that would require minimal work to develop."

"These aircraft could conduct counterterrorism operations, perform close-air support and other missions in permissive environments, and help to season pilots to mitigate the Air Force's fighter pilot shortfall," McCain said. His comments echo those of officials such as Lt. Gen. James "Mike" Holmes, the service's deputy chief of staff for strategic plans and requirements, who recently said the aircraft could help dilute the fighter pilot shortage and gradually increase readiness.

McCain suggested the Air Force could procure "the first 200 of these aircraft by fiscal year 2022."

Goldfein said it is important to note, "This isn't a competition, it's an experiment."

"We're going to do this experiment and see what's out there, and I'm expecting many of the companies to come forward," he said.

Brig. Gen. Edward Thomas, director of Air Force public affairs, said Goldfein — who hasn't officially signed off on the experiment, dubbed OA-X — "believes it does make sense to look at opportunities to provide a ... cheaper, attack-type aircraft that can do the close-air support mission, that other countries, allies, can fly also. And do this in a way that doesn't require an F-22 or an F-35 over a permissive environment," he said, mentioning Iraq and Afghanistan.

With the current budget, "I don't believe there is anything specifically programmed for it right now," Thomas said, noting the experiment is in its early stages and doesn't have any funding attached.

The additional light attack aircraft — which would not replace the service's beloved A-10 Warthog — "would relieve the pressure on other aircraft, maintenance crews, [and] it would give us some turning space with our other combat platforms," Thomas said.

In September, Holmes told Defense News that a less expensive aircraft could help the service alleviate the strain of maintaining its infrastructure, growing and training new pilot ranks, and adding more resources while simultaneously contributing to ongoing conflicts.

"We don't think it would cost a lot of money, and it's designed just to help us get our arms around [questions like], 'What can you actually do? Does it actually contribute? Can it survive in different threat environments?' " Holmes said at the time.   

http://defensetech.org/2017/01/19/air-force-eyes-low-cost-fighter-experiment/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 23/01/2017 | 13:33 uur
Citaat van: defencetech op 23/01/2017 | 11:51 uur
Air Force Mulls Low-Cost Fighter Experiment

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Ik zie hierin eerder een poging de problemen en tekortkomingen van de F-35 te compenseren dan "iets nieuws" te proberen. Want dat toestel zou en betaalbaar zijn en de vervanging van de F-16 en zelfs de A-10 voor CAS worden. Ook interessant hoe men dit wil financieren. Ten kosten van het F-35 budget?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/01/2017 | 13:44 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 23/01/2017 | 13:33 uur
Ik zie hierin eerder een poging de problemen en tekortkomingen van de F-35 te compenseren dan "iets nieuws" te proberen. Want dat toestel zou en betaalbaar zijn en de vervanging van de F-16 en zelfs de A-10 voor CAS worden. Ook interessant hoe men dit wil financieren. Ten kosten van het F-35 budget?

Het betreft een light attack fighter aircraft en is zoals vermeld geen vervanging van de A-10C. Denk dan bijvoorbeeld aan de oude A-37 Dragonfly of van de huidige generatie de AT-6 en de A-29 turboprops.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 23/01/2017 | 13:49 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/01/2017 | 13:44 uur
Het betreft een light attack fighter aircraft en is zoals vermeld geen vervanging van de A-10C. Denk dan bijvoorbeeld aan de oude A-37 Dragonfly of van de huidige generatie de AT-6 en de A-29 turboprops.
I know. Maar als je alleen de proliferatie al ziet van MANPADS in conflictgebieden denk ik dat je hier toch praat over best een geavanceerd vliegtuig (of een toestel met het incasseringsvermogen van de A-10). Anders zou je immers ook wat bommen en raketten onder de nieuwe trainers kunnen hangen. Maar misschien is dat wat ze hier ook bedoelen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: MasterChief1971 op 23/01/2017 | 14:06 uur
Dit, dus.

https://warisboring.com/stop-disrespecting-the-turboprop-c00acd3fff3a#.dtryx7fc1 (https://warisboring.com/stop-disrespecting-the-turboprop-c00acd3fff3a#.dtryx7fc1)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/01/2017 | 14:07 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 23/01/2017 | 13:49 uur
I know. Maar als je alleen de proliferatie al ziet van MANPADS in conflictgebieden denk ik dat je hier toch praat over best een geavanceerd vliegtuig (of een toestel met het incasseringsvermogen van de A-10). Anders zou je immers ook wat bommen en raketten onder de nieuwe trainers kunnen hangen. Maar misschien is dat wat ze hier ook bedoelen.

Het artikel heeft het niet voor niets over counterterrorism operations en permissive environments. Hiervoor is in de jaren 60 de OV-10 Bronco al ontworpen.

Trainers kun je aanpassen voor aanvalstaken en voorzien van wat extra bepantsering. De A-37, AT-6 en A-29 zijn ook voortgekomen uit respectievelijk de T-37, T-6 en de Super Tucano.

Maar zien wat de USAF nu precies voor ogen heeft.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 23/01/2017 | 14:19 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/01/2017 | 14:07 uur
Het artikel heeft het niet voor niets over counterterrorism operations en permissive environments. Hiervoor is in de jaren 60 de OV-10 Bronco al ontworpen.

Trainers kun je aanpassen voor aanvalstaken en voorzien van wat extra bepantsering. De A-37, AT-6 en A-29 zijn ook voortgekomen uit respectievelijk de T-37, T-6 en de Super Tucano.

Maar zien wat de USAF nu precies voor ogen heeft.
ja..afwachten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Enforcer op 23/01/2017 | 14:53 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 23/01/2017 | 13:33 uur
Ik zie hierin eerder een poging de problemen en tekortkomingen van de F-35 te compenseren dan "iets nieuws" te proberen. Want dat toestel zou en betaalbaar zijn en de vervanging van de F-16 en zelfs de A-10 voor CAS worden. Ook interessant hoe men dit wil financieren. Ten kosten van het F-35 budget?

Zo lang het "Made in America" is, is er altijd een kans...... de komende 4 jaar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 23/01/2017 | 15:20 uur
Citaat van: Enforcer op 23/01/2017 | 14:53 uur
Zo lang het "Made in America" is, is er altijd een kans...... de komende 4 jaar.
Dat zal in ieder geval wel de focus zijn ja...putting America first.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/01/2017 | 15:28 uur
OA-X: More Than Just Light Attack 
(interessante uitleg... OA-X programma is geen A-10 vervanging, puur als low budget, low aanschaf, low exploitatie)
Het zou ook zomaar kunnen dat men een kandidaat uit het T-X programma doorontwikkeld. 

Chief of Staff of the Air Force Gen. David Goldfein recently acknowledged that the Air Force is unbalanced to fight at the high end of the conflict spectrum — in high-intensity conventional war. The world is rapidly changing, and the high and low ends of conflict are moving further apart. The high end is getting more difficult as a result of warfighting advances by near-peer competitors, while the low end is moving tangentially towards an enduring commitment. Excessively depending on a single exquisite aircraft to span this widening rift between the spectrum ends dilutes capability, capacity, and resources that are all constrained today and for the foreseeable future.

One platform cannot be expected to span this gap today, and certainly not tomorrow. During a recent think tank discussion, Lt. Gen. Mike "Mobile" Holmes, the deputy chief of staff of the Air Force for strategic plans and requirements, informally circulated a concept called OA-X (O/A denotes an observation/attack role, while X stands in for an undetermined identification number). OA-X is the low-cost, off-the-shelf light attack solution the Air Force is bruiting to relieve the spiraling operating costs of conducting low-intensity operations with multirole fighters, working within existing fiscal constraints to free resources to invest in the high-end fight.

..../....

voor het gehele artikel, zie onderstaande LINK
https://warontherocks.com/2016/08/oa-x-more-than-just-light-attack/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/01/2017 | 15:32 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 23/01/2017 | 15:28 uur
OA-X: More Than Just Light Attack 
(interessante uitleg... OA-X programma is geen A-10 vervanging, puur als low budget, low aanschaf, low exploitatie)
Het zou ook zomaar kunnen dat men een kandidaat uit het T-X programma doorontwikkeld. 

Alleen als zij voor een toestel met straalaandrijving gaan. Turbofan of turboprop. Het is maar net wat de voorkeur heeft.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/01/2017 | 16:00 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/01/2017 | 15:32 uur
Alleen als zij voor een toestel met straalaandrijving gaan. Turbofan of turboprop. Het is maar net wat de voorkeur heeft.

Van mij mogen ze deze wel weer op de productielijn zetten......  ;) :big-smile: .... (in een nieuw jasje)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/45/55/eb/4555ebd71ce74b97616fcc7005d1121a.jpg)



Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/01/2017 | 19:14 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 23/01/2017 | 16:00 uur
Van mij mogen ze deze wel weer op de productielijn zetten......  ;) :big-smile: .... (in een nieuw jasje)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/45/55/eb/4555ebd71ce74b97616fcc7005d1121a.jpg)

De A-1 Skyraider blijft een mooi toestel, maar is nou niet bepaald 'light'  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/01/2017 | 19:23 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/01/2017 | 19:14 uur
De A-1 Skyraider blijft een mooi toestel, maar is nou niet bepaald 'light'  ;D
Tja ... Ach... Wel als je hem naast een A-10 zet of een F-35.
Maar een A-1 geeft wel iets meer power gevoel dan een A-29, moet ik zeggen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/01/2017 | 07:32 uur
Spanish Air Force Finally Resumes Eurofighter Deliveries, Accepts A Dozen

(Source: compiled by Defense-Aerospace.com; posted Jan 23, 2017)

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The Spanish air force has now incorporated a dozen new-build Eurofighter combat aircraft that were warehoused on Albacete air base while the defense ministry resolved budgetary difficulties that prevented their delivery and payment. (Eurofighter photo)

In the closing days of 2016, the Spanish Air Force finally put into service a dozen Eurofighter combat aircraft that it had stored on Albacete air base immediately after they were delivered because it lacked the funds to pay for them.

The aircraft, a mix of Tranche 2 and Tranche 3 aircraft, have now been incorporated into the air force's 11th Wing, stationed at Moron air base at Seville, thanks to what Defensa, the Spanish website which first reported the transaction, calls an "economico-administrative regularization." These additional aircraft take Spain's Eurofighter fleet to 60 operational aircraft.

These Eurofighters were assembled by Airbus Defense and Space at Getafe, near Madrid, and officially handed over to NETMA, the NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency, which stored them at Albacete pending re-delivery to the Spanish air force. The air force, however, was told it could not accept them because of "administrative payment problems which prevented it from adding to the budget deficit" – in other words, spending the money to pay for the aircraft would exceed Spain's authorized budget deficit.

An agreement between NETMA and the Spanish air force allowed the aircraft to be maintained by Albacete's 14th Wing while this bureaucratic knot was being resolved, and each aircraft was flown every 20 days to maintain its operational capabilities and to keep its airworthiness certificate current.

The final handover, in late December, created a large volume of unexpected administrative work for the air force's Matériel Groups, which are attempting to accelerate the incorporation of the aircraft into four air force squadrons which already operate the Eurofighter.

Spain initially planned to buy 87 Eurofighters, but finally decided to take 73, of which two (a two-seater in August and a single-seater in June 2014) were written off after accidents which killed two pilots.

The delivery of the final 13 units is planned for 2017 and 2018, but the air force doesn't exclude that the final deliveries may slide into 2019. All of these aircraft belong to the latest Tranche 3 standard.

In parallel, the air force's Centro Logistico de Armamento y Experimentacion (CLAEX) and the Logistical Support Command are working to upgrade all the Tranche 1 aircraft ao as to give them some of the capabilities of the later standards.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/180482/spanish-air-force-finally-resumes-eurofighter-deliveries.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 24/01/2017 | 11:34 uur
Daar weten we eigenlijk ook niet zo veel vanaf he, dat Navo land genaamd Spanje.

Moet kommer en kwel zijn met al die budget problemen van dat land.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/01/2017 | 14:57 uur
First JASSMs delivered to Poland

Remigiusz Wilk, Warsaw - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 24 January 2017

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Polish Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon fitted with the AGM-158A Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM). Source: Polish Ministry of Defence

Poland has received its first batch of AGM-158A Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles (JASSMs), Polish deputy defence minister Bartosz Kownacki announced.

The missiles were ordered in December 2014 in an arms package worth USD250 million. The sale includes 40 AGM-158As, and the modernisation of the Polish Air Force's F-16C/D Block 52+ fighter aircraft from the M4.3 standard to the M6.5 standard.

Upgrade of the first F-16 (tail number 4040) began at the end of 2016, and initial operational capability with the JASSM is expected to be declared by the Polish Air Force in March. All the JASSMs are expected to be delivered during the course of 2017, with the contract fully completed at the end of 2019.

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http://www.janes.com/article/67179/first-jassms-delivered-to-poland
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/01/2017 | 20:57 uur
Lockheed CEO: F-35A Price to Drop Below $100M in Next Contract

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/lockheed-ceo-f-35a-price-to-drop-below-100m-in-next-contract
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/01/2017 | 17:02 uur
India ; Navy Issues RFI for 57 Carrier Fighters

(Levering eerste toestel na 3 jaar van ondertekening van contract en laatste levering na 6 jaar van ondertekening contract, dus 57 stuks toestellen moeten geleverd worden binnen 3 jaar.)

NEW DELHI --- A little more than a month after the Chief of Naval Staff, Admiral Sunil Lanba, announced that the Indian Navy intended to forego the acquisition of the naval Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) and look elsewhere for new fighters, the navy issued a Request For Information (RFI) for 57 Multi Role Carrier Borne Fighters (MRCBF), last week.

According to the RFI, "The MRCBF are intended as day and night capable, all weather multi-role deck based combat aircraft which can be used for Air Defence (AD), Air to Surface Operations, Buddy Refuelling, Reconnaissance, EW missions etc from IN aircraft carriers."

The navy stipulates that the eventual acquisition process will be awarded under the terms of the Defence Procurement Procedure of 2016 and will require deliveries of the aircraft to 'commence within three years post conclusion of contract, and be completed within further period of three years'.

Responses to the RFI have to be submitted within four months from the date of issue and qualifying vendors will be shortlisted for issue of Request For Proposal (RFP).

The eventual RFP will be in accordance with the Single Stage-Two Bid System. The validity of commercial offers would be at least 18 months from the date of submitting of offers.

The RFI also makes clear that transfer of technology and license production will be required as part of the acquisition of the fighters.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/180588/indian-navy-issues-rfi-for-57-carrier-fighters.html

http://www.stratpost.com/navy-issues-rfi-57-carrier-fighters
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/01/2017 | 17:35 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 26/01/2017 | 17:02 uur
(Levering eerste toestel na 3 jaar van ondertekening van contract en laatste levering na 6 jaar van ondertekening contract, dus 57 stuks toestellen moeten geleverd worden binnen 3 jaar.)


Dan zie alleen mogelijkheden voor 2 Russische modellen en de F18E/F/G* en de Rafale. De SeaGripen lijkt mij hiermee redelijk kansloos.

* als de F18 lijn tegen die tijd nog beschikbaar is, al lijkt hier een positieve ontwikkeling zichtbaar, wie weet, misschien heeft de ASH een briljante toekomst.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/01/2017 | 17:39 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/01/2017 | 17:35 uur
Dan zie alleen mogelijkheden voor 2 Russische modellen en de F18E/F/G* en de Rafale. De SeaGripen lijkt mij hiermee redelijk kansloos.

* als de F18 lijn tegen die tijd nog beschikbaar is, al lijkt hier een positieve ontwikkeling zichtbaar, wie weet, misschien heeft de ASH een briljante toekomst.
Dat was ook mijn conclusie ..   ;) ;D
Na het debacle met de Rafale deal de laatste keer, zou ik zeggen dat de F-18 ASH een goede kans maakt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 26/01/2017 | 17:55 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/01/2017 | 17:35 uur
Dan zie alleen mogelijkheden voor 2 Russische modellen en de F18E/F/G* en de Rafale. De SeaGripen lijkt mij hiermee redelijk kansloos.

* als de F18 lijn tegen die tijd nog beschikbaar is, al lijkt hier een positieve ontwikkeling zichtbaar, wie weet, misschien heeft de ASH een briljante toekomst.
Belangrijk naast de uit te voeren taak-eisen is de beperkte ruimte en STOBAR opzet. Heeft de grote F-18 voldoende power om onder STOBAR te opereren? de Rafale wel lees ik.

Binnen 3 jaar Sea Gripen?! Als India het programma aankoopt zou dat misschien zelfs nog lukken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/01/2017 | 21:21 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 26/01/2017 | 17:55 uur
Belangrijk naast de uit te voeren taak-eisen is de beperkte ruimte en STOBAR opzet. Heeft de F-18 voldoende power om onder STOBAR te opereren? de Rafale wel lees ik.

General Electric kan de krachtigere F414-EPE turbofan leveren. Deze heeft de US Navy zelf niet. Misschien is deze goed voor STOBAR gebruik?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/01/2017 | 22:15 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 26/01/2017 | 17:55 uur
Binnen 3 jaar Sea Gripen?! Als India het programma aankoopt zou dat misschien zelfs nog lukken.

India en binnen 3 jaar... ehhhh nee.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 26/01/2017 | 22:43 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/01/2017 | 22:15 uur
India en binnen 3 jaar... ehhhh nee.
De bouwtekeningen liggen klaar en de nood is erg hoog. Ik verwacht het ook niet, maar laat me graag verrassen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 26/01/2017 | 22:54 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/01/2017 | 22:15 uur
India en binnen 3 jaar... ehhhh nee.
Zeker niet... Raar volkje om mee te werken trouwens.
Ik moet de grootste moeite doen om Indiers te verstaan... maar ook wat werken zelf betreft.
In een van mijn vorige jobs hadden enkele managers het geniaal idee: voor de prijs van een programmeur kunnen we er 3-4 tewerkstellen in Bangalore... "Centre of excellence"... blablabla... Het ging allemaal beter gaan, veel hogere productiviteit. Alleen... die jongens ginds verstonden de opdrachten en scopes niet goed... Resultaat: veel video/phone conferences en Webex-toestanden... Hun werk dat constant moest getest worden en code die moest gecheckt worden. Waardoor we opeens weer nood hadden aan extra mensen om aan (software) Quality Assurance te doen... Want zelf iets uitzoeken/proberen/leren, dat deden ze niet. Het moest allemaal gedocumenteerd zijn.
Het centre of excellence ging gehuisvest worden in een nieuw gebouw... De managers waren nar Bangalore geweest en kochten er een ruwbouw die dan volgens de specificaties ging afgewerkt worden. Na drie jaar hield ik het er voor bekeken (want geen opslag gehad gedurende twee jaar. Bonus bestond ook niet meer - budget was opgesoupeerd, rarara waaraan...).
Het centre of excellence was nog steeds niet afgewerkt en in gebruik genomen. Het personeel was nog steeds ondergebracht in een duur gehuurd pand...
In april ben ik drie jaar bij mijn huidige werkgever. Het CoE werd juist voor kerstmis, met de nodige luister, ingewijd...
Van timekeeping hebben ze geen kaas gegeten.
Neeeh... India... niet goed om zaken mee te doen...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/01/2017 | 22:58 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 26/01/2017 | 22:43 uur
De bouwtekeningen liggen klaar en de nood is erg hoog. Ik verwacht het ook niet, maar laat me graag verrassen.

De Gripen is natuurlijk in de race voor 200 Indiase één pitters... zelfs bij verlies van LM met haar F16C block 70 zie ik ze niet de uitdaging aan gaan om de SG te ontwikkelen, zeker niet met 0.0 beweging in Brazilië op dit front... alles kan... maar ik hou het op mijn eerdere aanname. (en ook ik laat me graag verrassen)

Misschien zou het de Zweden binnen die gestelde tijd lukken, al heeft de Gripen E nog steeds geen meter gevlogen, maar made in India...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 26/01/2017 | 23:38 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/01/2017 | 22:58 uur
Misschien zou het de Zweden binnen die gestelde tijd lukken, al heeft de Gripen E nog steeds geen meter gevlogen, maar made in India...

De Gripen E vliegt binnen 5 maanden.

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2016-11-30/saab-postpones-gripen-e-first-flight-good-reason
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/01/2017 | 07:39 uur
India Seeks 57 New Naval Fighter Jets for Carriers @Diplomat_APAC

http://thediplomat.com/2017/01/india-seeks-57-new-naval-fighter-jets-for-carriers/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/01/2017 | 14:34 uur
Russia to replace current 'light fighters' with MiG-35

Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 27 January 2017

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The MiG-35 (pictured) will replace the MiG-29 as the VKS' future 'light fighter', the service's chief said on 27 January. (UAC)

The Russian air force is to replace all of its current 'light' combat aircraft fleets with the newly unveiled MiG-35 'Fulcrum-F', state media quoted a senior service official as saying on 27 January.

Speaking at the public unveiling of the MiG-35 by the United Air Corporation (UAC), Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) commander-in-chief Colonel General Viktor Bondarev said that all of the service's light fighters will be replaced by the latest-variant Flanker in the coming years, the TASS news agency reported.

While the general did not specify which particular aircraft he was referring to when talking about 'light fighters', it was likely a reference to the MiG-29 'Fulcrum' from which the MiG-35 is derived. According to IHS Jane's World Air Forces, the VKS currently has about 350 MiG-29s (of which about 200 are thought to be in storage). With the MiG-29 making up the light end of Russia's fighter spectrum, the heavy end comprises the Sukhoi Su-27-series 'Flanker' and MiG-31 'Foxhound' fighters.

The general was making his comments on the occasion of the MiG-35's rollout for president Vladimir Putin, who noted the type's export potential with those countries that already operate the MiG-29. Russia first revealed its plans to field a new light fighter as a cost effective but capable secondary combat aircraft for the VKS in December 2013.

As noted in IHS Jane's All the World's Aircraft, the MiG-35 has been described by the manufacturer as "exhibiting the further development of the MiG-29K/KUB and MiG-29M/M2 fighters in the field of the combat efficiency enhancement, universality, and operational characteristics improvement". However, additional emphasis has been given in the MiG-35 to reliability of the airframe, engines, and avionics. The CEO of MiG, Sergei Korotkov, has previously stated that the MiG-35 will have a speed of Mach 2.23 and an operational range 1.5 times longer than the MiG-29.

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http://www.janes.com/article/67285/russia-to-replace-current-light-fighters-with-mig-35
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/01/2017 | 16:29 uur
As F-35 Comes Online, Norway to Scrap F-16 Fleet (http://www.defensenews.com/articles/as-f-35-comes-online-norway-to-scrap-f-16-fleet)

DefenseNews

Argentina looks to buy Russian MiG-29 fighter jets (http://defence-blog.com/news/argentina-looks-to-buy-russian-mig-29-fighter-jets.html)

Defence Blog

Saudi Arabia unveils its new F-15SA fighter jet at an airshow in Riyadh (http://defence-blog.com/news/saudi-arabia-unveils-its-new-f-15sa-fighter-jet-at-an-airshow-in-riyadh.html)

Defence Blog
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/01/2017 | 19:04 uur
Mikoyan MiG-35 in Full Details: Specifications - Performances - Weapons - Sensors

http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/focus-analysis-photo-report-aviation-defence-industry/aviation-defence-industry-technology/3257-mikoyan-mig-35-in-full-details-specifications-performances-weapons-sensors.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/01/2017 | 11:24 uur
Mattis Orders Comparison Review of F-35C and Advanced Super Hornet

https://news.usni.org/2017/01/27/mattis-orders-comparison-review-f-35c-advanced-super-hornet
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/01/2017 | 11:34 uur
The Price of an F-35 Was Already Falling. Can Trump Drive it Lower?

http://www.govexec.com/contracting/2017/01/price-f-35-was-already-falling-can-trump-drive-it-lower/134939/ via @govexec
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 28/01/2017 | 12:17 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/01/2017 | 11:24 uur
Mattis Orders Comparison Review of F-35C and Advanced Super Hornet

https://news.usni.org/2017/01/27/mattis-orders-comparison-review-f-35c-advanced-super-hornet
De volgende nagel aan de doodskist van de F-35C. Volledige concentratie op de Advanced Super Hornet gaat het denk ik worden. En de drone alleen nog voor tank-rol. De meeste elektronische voordelen van de F35 zijn wel op te vangen zo. En dan inzetten op de opvolger van de Super Hornet, de FA-XX.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/01/2017 | 12:47 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 28/01/2017 | 12:17 uur
De volgende nagel aan de doodskist van de F-35C. Volledige concentratie op de Advanced Super Hornet gaat het denk ik worden. En de drone alleen nog voor tank-rol. De meeste elektronische voordelen van de F35 zijn wel op te vangen zo. En dan inzetten op de opvolger van de Super Hornet, de FA-XX.

Zoals al ruim voor Trump voorspeld. Het zal vermoedelijk niet zo veel invloed hebben op de A en de B variant.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/01/2017 | 12:48 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 28/01/2017 | 12:17 uur
De volgende nagel aan de doodskist van de F-35C. Volledige concentratie op de Advanced Super Hornet gaat het denk ik worden. En de drone alleen nog voor tank-rol. De meeste elektronische voordelen van de F35 zijn wel op te vangen zo. En dan inzetten op de opvolger van de Super Hornet, de FA-XX.

Ondertussen is de tweede Fleet Replacement Squadron (FRS) van de US Navy geactiveerd.

First F-35Cs for West Coast FRS to arrive next week at Lemoore (https://news.usni.org/2017/01/18/first-f-35c-west-coast-frs-arrive-next-week-lemoore)

USNI News

Overigens gaat ook de US Marine Corps met de F-35C vliegen, om de squadron tekorten bij de CVW's aan te vullen (doen zij nu ook al met hun legacy Hornets). De USMC zit niet zo te wachten op Super Hornets.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 28/01/2017 | 12:50 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/01/2017 | 12:47 uur
Zoals al ruim voor Trump voorspeld. Het zal vermoedelijk niet zo veel invloed hebben op de A en de B variant.

Behalve de kostprijs per kist.......?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/01/2017 | 12:51 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 28/01/2017 | 12:50 uur
Behalve de kostprijs per kist.......?

Het totaal aantal C's was en is beperkt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 28/01/2017 | 13:13 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 28/01/2017 | 12:50 uur
Behalve de kostprijs per kist.......?
Ja..ook omdat het aantal denk ik naar beneden zal worden bijgesteld.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 28/01/2017 | 13:14 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 28/01/2017 | 12:48 uur
Ondertussen is de tweede Fleet Replacement Squadron (FRS) van de US Navy geactiveerd.

First F-35Cs for West Coast FRS to arrive next week at Lemoore (https://news.usni.org/2017/01/18/first-f-35c-west-coast-frs-arrive-next-week-lemoore)

USNI News

Overigens gaat ook de US Marine Corps met de F-35C vliegen, om de squadron tekorten bij de CVW's aan te vullen (doen zij nu ook al met hun legacy Hornets). De USMC zit niet zo te wachten op Super Hornets.
En als de US Marine Corps in ruil voor annuleren F-35Cs meer F-35Bs krijgt?! Ik ben benieuwd hoe dit gaat aflopen..
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/01/2017 | 13:29 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 28/01/2017 | 13:14 uur
En als de US Marine Corps in ruil voor annuleren F-35Cs meer F-35Bs krijgt?! Ik ben benieuwd hoe dit gaat aflopen..

Zo maar een gok: 1 sqn F35C per carrier en het verschil wordt goed gemaakt door evenredig aantal ASH te bestellen wat de Boeing lijn open zal houden voor nationaal gebruik en potentiële exportorders tot de FA/XX inzicht komt.

Dus op de gok, in het slechtste geval een halvering van het aantal C's voor de USN en de C's voor het USMC worden B's.

Daarmee is iedereen blij, Trump krijgt zijn credits, Boeing meer tijd en omzet, de USN krijgt meer F18 varianten en wellicht eerder de FA/XX en de USMC want zij ontvangen meer B's.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/01/2017 | 14:03 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 28/01/2017 | 13:14 uur
En als de US Marine Corps in ruil voor annuleren F-35Cs meer F-35Bs krijgt?! Ik ben benieuwd hoe dit gaat aflopen..

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/01/2017 | 13:29 uur
Zo maar een gok: 1 sqn F35C per carrier en het verschil wordt goed gemaakt door evenredig aantal ASH te bestellen wat de Boeing lijn open zal houden voor nationaal gebruik en potentiële exportorders tot de FA/XX inzicht komt.

Dus op de gok, in het slechtste geval een halvering van het aantal C's voor de USN en de C's voor het USMC worden B's.

Daarmee is iedereen blij, Trump krijgt zijn credits, Boeing meer tijd en omzet, de USN krijgt meer F18 varianten en wellicht eerder de FA/XX en de USMC want zij ontvangen meer B's.

Met meer F-35B's voor de USMC zijn zij er niet. De US Navy heeft niet genoeg VFA squadrons om alle Carrier Air Wings (CVW) te vullen. Daarom zijn USMC VMFA squadrons met F/A-18A of F/A-18C hierbij ingedeeld.  Een viertal VMFA squadrons gaan over op de F-35C.

Om het VFA squadron tekort + vervanging van de US Navy legacy Hornets aan te pakken, moet een behoorlijk aantal Super Hornets worden aangeschaft. En dan zijn er ook nog Super Hornets met zeer veel vlieguren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 28/01/2017 | 14:31 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 28/01/2017 | 14:03 uur
Met meer F-35B's voor de USMC zijn zij er niet. De US Navy heeft niet genoeg VFA squadrons om alle Carrier Air Wings (CVW) te vullen. Daarom zijn USMC VMFA squadrons met F/A-18A of F/A-18C hierbij ingedeeld.  Een viertal VMFA squadrons gaan over op de F-35C.

Om het VFA squadron tekort + vervanging van de US Navy legacy Hornets aan te pakken, moet een behoorlijk aantal Super Hornets worden aangeschaft. En dan zijn er ook nog Super Hornets met zeer veel vlieguren.
Maar met een interessante deal van het Trump team en Pentagon met Boeing kunnen mogelijk wel alle CVWs worden gevuld. Uitbreiding van de Amerikaanse krijgsmacht en met name US Navy is immers ook een doel van Trump...en met een marinier als minister... Om nou nog een beperkter aantal F-35C in dienst te nemen en houden lijkt me weinig efficiënt. Nee, ik verwacht dat het voor de F-35C einde oefening wordt. Zeker als er ook al geluiden waren en zijn in het Congres om het hele F-35 programma te annuleren. Dat gaat te ver en gebeurd niet, maar deels denk ik dus wel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/01/2017 | 14:39 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 28/01/2017 | 14:31 uur
Maar met een interessante deal van het Trump team en Pentagon met Boeing kunnen mogelijk wel alle VFA squadrons worden gevuld. Uitbreiding van de Amerikaanse krijgsmacht is immers ook een doel. Om nou nog een beperkter aantal F-35C in dienst te nemen en houden lijkt me weinig efficiënt. Nee, ik verwacht dat het voor de F-35C einde oefening wordt. Zeker als er ook al geluiden waren en zijn in het Congres om het hele F-35 programma te annuleren. Dat gaat te ver en gebeurd niet, maar deels denk ik dus wel.

De C zou het haasje kunnen zijn, er zijn immers alternatieven voor handen en de opvolger van de F18E/F/G zit in de AoA (Analysis of Alternatives) en/of bijna RFI fase.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 30/01/2017 | 10:23 uur
Review of F-35 and Air Force One programs ordered

US Secretary of Defense Mattis has ordered a complete review of both the F-35 program and the program to replace the current Boeing VC-25 aircraft in their role as Air Force One. The review of the F-35 is to include a comparison with the F-18 Super Hornet.

The announcement should come as no surprise, given president Trumps recent criticism of both programs. Even before his inauguration on 20 January, Trump said F-35 costs are out of control while at the same time he asked Boeing to come up with the F-18 Super Hornet as a reasonably priced alternative.

For the F-35, a recent DOT&E report by the Pentagon's own watchdog is an excellent starting point. That report mentions plenty of delays in F-35 development and testing.

It remains uncertain what the outcome of both reviews could be. Chances of the program being cancelled are close to zero given the program's strategic and economic importance. However, the naval F-35C version may be under threat. The DOT&E mentions persistent problems in this version specifically.

In a response, Lockheed Martin said it 'stands ready' to support the review. Earlier, both Lockheed Martin and Boeing promised to keep costs down. This fresh review will put even more pressure on both manufacturers to actually make up on that promise.

http://airheadsfly.com/2017/01/27/review-of-f-35-and-air-force-one-programs-ordered/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 30/01/2017 | 12:59 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 30/01/2017 | 10:23 uur
Review of F-35 and Air Force One programs ordered

US Secretary of Defense Mattis has ordered a complete review of both the F-35 program and the program to replace the current Boeing VC-25 aircraft in their role as Air Force One. The review of the F-35 is to include a comparison with the F-18 Super Hornet.

The announcement should come as no surprise, given president Trumps recent criticism of both programs. Even before his inauguration on 20 January, Trump said F-35 costs are out of control while at the same time he asked Boeing to come up with the F-18 Super Hornet as a reasonably priced alternative.

For the F-35, a recent DOT&E report by the Pentagon's own watchdog is an excellent starting point. That report mentions plenty of delays in F-35 development and testing.

It remains uncertain what the outcome of both reviews could be. Chances of the program being cancelled are close to zero given the program's strategic and economic importance. However, the naval F-35C version may be under threat. The DOT&E mentions persistent problems in this version specifically.

In a response, Lockheed Martin said it 'stands ready' to support the review. Earlier, both Lockheed Martin and Boeing promised to keep costs down. This fresh review will put even more pressure on both manufacturers to actually make up on that promise.

http://airheadsfly.com/2017/01/27/review-of-f-35-and-air-force-one-programs-ordered/
De fabrikanten maken zichzelf denk ik ongeloofwaardig als zij nu opeens onder druk van Trump wel nog stevige kortingen kunnen en gaan geven. Dat is niet goed voor hun onderhandelingspositie bij andere en volgende projecten. Ook daarom verwacht ik niet zozeer een stevige prijsverlaging maar eerder snijden in het F-35 programma, waarna de fabrikant de kosten van wat over blijft niet zal laten stijgen of afziet van boete-clausules die vast in de contracten staan. Ook Boeing zal voor de nieuwe Air Force One niet diep gaan snijden in de kosten denk ik. Eerder wat accessoires gratis aanbieden of een korting geven op een ander (toekomstig) project of kostenpost. Denk aan onderhoudscontracten e.d. die er vaak ook zijn. Dus ja, ik vrees dat de F-35C zijn laatste rondjes vliegt dit jaar. Zijn die nog om te bouwen naar/te hergebruiken voor de A-versie of worden het museum-stukken straks?.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/01/2017 | 16:43 uur
Trump: ik heb $600 miljoen korting gekregen op de JSF

https://www.businessinsider.nl/trump-ik-heb-600-miljoen-dollar-korting-gekregen-op-de-jsf/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/01/2017 | 19:49 uur
Mattis Review Of F-35 Fighter Likely To Yield Lower Price, Faster Production via @forbes

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2017/01/30/mattis-review-of-f-35-fighter-likely-to-yield-lower-price-tag-faster-production/#31037b311007
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/01/2017 | 20:07 uur
It's Time to Turn the Page on the F-35: Here's How

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444387/f-35-replacement-upgrades-new-designs-replace-joint-strike-fighter

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 30/01/2017 | 23:56 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/01/2017 | 20:07 uur
It's Time to Turn the Page on the F-35: Here's How

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444387/

Link werkt niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/01/2017 | 07:55 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 30/01/2017 | 23:56 uur
Link werkt niet.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444387/f-35-replacement-upgrades-new-designs-replace-joint-strike-fighter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/01/2017 | 10:02 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/01/2017 | 07:55 uur
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444387/f-35-replacement-upgrades-new-designs-replace-joint-strike-fighter

Een citaat uit dit artikel.

"Additionally, an engine upgrade and passive-sensor upgrade program should be considered for the 95 F/A-18 Hornets mothballed at Davis Motham. These upgraded air combat focused F-18s will provide a very nice boost to the Navy's fleet air defense carrier wings."

Succes met de kosten om deze legacy Hornets weer CATOBAR waardig te maken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/02/2017 | 08:05 uur
Dit artikel geeft meer inzicht in de F18E kosten.

Canada opens talks on U.S. sole-source 'interim' fighter jet purchase

http://www.cbc.ca/1.3956306
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 01/02/2017 | 09:00 uur
Trump administration unlikely to block F-16V sale to Bahrain

http://alert5.com/2017/02/01/trump-administration-unlikely-to-block-f-16v-sale-to-bahrain/#more-60746
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 01/02/2017 | 09:08 uur
New US Air Force Wish List Adds Billions for More Aircraft

WASHINGTON — An update to the US Air Force's 2017 wish list bumps its unfunded requirements to $10.6 billion, with the service seeking funding for more F-35s and a light attack aircraft experiment, among other new efforts.

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In its first $7.2 billion unfunded priorities list, the Air Force restored funding for five F-35s and eight C-130Js, which had been cut in the fiscal 2017 budget request, Defense News reported in March. The new list, likely updated within the past couple months, doubles the number of F-35As the service would fund if it had money available. It also calls for 11 C-130Js, including two MC-130Js used by special operators and an HC-130J search and rescue variant.

But besides the expected procurement increases, the wish list contains a slew of new line items that reflect emerging priorities, such as $8 million for a light attack aircraft experiment that could precede a future program of record termed OA-X. Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein and other top officials have endorsed the flight demo as a way to test whether a buy of inexpensive aircraft can help the force ameliorate readiness challenges and affordably perform missions in permissive environments.

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The service added $10 million to the list for a B-52 re-engining risk-reduction study

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It also added about $63 million for EC-130H Compass Call modifications.

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also wants funding to modernize a variety of legacy aircraft, such as $56 million for a service life extension for the B-1 bomber's General Electric F101 engine and $57 million for various upgrades to the A-10 Warthog.

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also asks for $822 million so that fourth-generation F-16 and F-15 fighter jets would receive active electronically scanned array radars and radar warning receivers.

Voor het gehele artikel, zie onderstaande LINK
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/new-us-air-force-wish-list-adds-billions-for-more-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 01/02/2017 | 09:17 uur
Russia and India to Develop BrahMos Light Cruise Missile for PAK FA 5th-Generation Jet

REUTOV, Russia --- The BrahMos light cruise missile will be mounted both in submarines' torpedo launchers and on Russia's fifth-generation T-50 PAK FA (Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation) fighter jet, CEO and General Designer of the Machine-Building R&D Consortium Alexander Leonov said on Friday.

"We are working on the missile's light version. It should fit the size of a torpedo tube and be almost 1.5 times smaller by its weight. It will be possible to mount our airborne missile on a wide range [of aircraft]. Of course, we'll be developing it, first of all, for the fifth-generation plane but, possibly, it will be mounted on the MiG-35 fighter, although we have not carried out such developments," he said.

The BrahMos supersonic cruise missile is the product of Russia's Machine-Building Research and Development Consortium and India's Defense Research and Development Organization, which set up BrahMos Aerospace joint venture in 1998.

The missile's name comes from the names of two rivers: the Indian Brahmaputra of and the Russian Moscow river. The missile has a range of 290 km and carries a warhead weighing from 200 to 300 kg.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/180710/russia%2C-india-to-develop-lightweight-brahmos-missile-for-t_50.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 01/02/2017 | 09:26 uur
Textron selects LiteHUD for for Scorpion jet (Ben benieuwd of deze ook in het OA-X programma mee gaat doen ? )

BAE Systems will supply its LiteHUD head-up display for Textron AirLand's multi-mission Scorpion jet, the company announced on 30 January.

The initial order will support the Scorpion's robust flight test programme. The jet has been designed for multi-role operations including intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, close air support, armed reconnaissance, maritime and border patrol, and jet training missions.

LiteHUD has been designed using BAE Systems' optical waveguide technology to be 60 percent smaller by volume and up to 50 percent lighter than conventional head-up displays. The system enhances situational awareness in day and night conditions, improving flight safety and reducing pilot fatigue. Its modular design includes a built-in colour camera.

Andy Humphries, director of advanced displays at BAE Systems, said: 'This award marks the second new platform order for LiteHUD, further validating it as the future of head-up display technology.

'With its revolutionary optics and high-resolution display, LiteHUD will provide Scorpion pilots with the 'head-up, eyes-out' capability they need, no matter the mission.'

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/digital-battlespace/textron-selects-litehud-scorpion-jet/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 01/02/2017 | 16:44 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 01/02/2017 | 17:22 uur
Blijf 't een errug mooi toestel vinden,maar dat ben ik. ;)  (vind Volvo's ook schitterend,oeps  :-* )
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 02/02/2017 | 09:05 uur
Canada Plans Interim Buy of 18 Super Hornets, with 2019 Delivery

The Trudeau government has begun talks with Washington about the sole-source purchase of up to 18 Super Hornet jet fighters.

The measure, intended as a stopgap solution to ease pressure on the air force's aging fleet of CF-18s, could cost taxpayers between $5 billion and $7 billion over the lifetime of the aircraft, according to data circulating within the Department of National Defence and shared with CBC News by sources who insisted upon anonymity.

The figures are only preliminary, but they are backed up by U.S. congressional budget information.

CBC News was granted rare, extraordinary access to officials and facilities belonging to Boeing, the U.S. manufacturer of the Super Hornet, and to the U.S. Navy's principal air base where the fighters operate and train. During that visit, Boeing officials confirmed Canada has begun talks with the Pentagon to buy the planes.

The decision to buy 18 warplanes in a sole-source deal, originally announced last fall, is meant to address what the Liberal government describes as an urgent "capability gap."

But it also lands Canada squarely in the middle of the Trump administration's showdown over the future of the Super Hornet's rival, the oft-maligned F-35.
1st delivery by 2019?

There are questions about what kind of deal Canada will get on the Super Hornets, especially with the new U.S. administration.

A final agreement, which requires congressional approval, will take about a year to negotiate, but CBC News has learned the Liberal government has already signalled it would like to see the first aircraft arrive in 2019, which would coincide with the next election.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/180752/canada-plans-interim-buy-of-18-super-hornets%2C-with-2019-delivery.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/02/2017 | 10:47 uur
Up close and personal with the first Saudi F-15SA, the most advanced Eagle ever built

By David Cenciotti - Feb 01 2017

This stunning air-to-air video shows the most advanced variant of the Eagle recently delivered to the Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF).

The Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF) has officially received its first Boeing F-15SA multirole jets in a ceremony celebrating the 50th anniversary of the King Faisal Air College in Riyadh on Jan. 25, 2017.

Equipped with the APG-63V3 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, a digital glass cockpit, JHMCS (Joint Helmet Mouted Cueing System), Digital Electronic Warfare System/Common Missile Warning System (DEWS/CMWS), IRST (Infra Red Search and Track) system, and able to carry a wide array of air-to-air and air-to-surface weaponry, including the AIM-120C7 AMRAAM (Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile) and the AIM-9X Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, the AGM-84 SLAM-ERs, the AGM-88 HARM (High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile) and the GBU-39 SDBs (Small Diameter Bombs) on 11 external hardpoints, the F-15SA, derived from the F-15E Strike Eagle, is the most advanced Eagle variant ever produced.

Back in 2010, the RSAF requested 84 new-built F-15SA jets and upgrade package for 68 existing Saudi F-15S fighters for a total of 152 multirole advanced Eagles through a Foreign Military Sale: a contract worth 29.4 billion USD that included logistics, spares, maintenance support and weapons was eventually signed on Dec. 29, 2011.

Therefore, instead of the 5th gen. F-35 Lightning II, Saudis (that already operate the 4th gen. Eurofighter Typhoon) opted for a 4.5th generation jet able to perform several missions, including SEAD/DEAD (Suppression/Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses), OCA (Offensive Counter Air) and Air Interdiction with precision guided munitions from stand-off distance.

The newest aircraft's predecessor, the Saudi F-15S, have taken part in the air strikes in Yemen, as part of Operation Decisive Storm, the Saudi Arabian-led intervention in Yemen, since Mar. 26 2015. A RSAF F-15S crashed in the Gulf of Aden during the opening day of the air war; its two pilots ejected safely and were recovered from the sea by a USAF HH-60G rescue helicopter. Although Houthi and Iranian sources stated that the Eagle was shot down, Saudi and Arab coalition authorities denied such reports.

The first F-15SAs arrived at King Khalid Air Base (KKAB) in Saudi Arabia via RAF Lakenheath, on Dec. 13, 2016, the day after the Israeli received their first 5th generation F-35I.

The first aircraft were assigned to the 55th Sqn at KKAB.

The following epic footage (produced by Combat Aircraft's editor Jamie Hunter and Bob Hayes) shows the first F-15SAs, flying in Saudi Arabia.

Enjoy.



https://theaviationist.com/2017/02/01/up-close-and-personal-with-the-first-saudi-f-15sa-the-most-advanced-eagle-ever-built/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/02/2017 | 12:43 uur
Argentina officially suspends fighter replacement programme

Santiago Rivas, Buenos Aires - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 03 February 2017

Argentine minister of defence Julio Martínez announced on 1 February that, following discussions with President Mauricio Macri, the government decided to suspend purchasing a new fighter aircraft to replace Lockheed Martin (McDonnell Douglas) A-4AR Fightinghawks.

The Argentine Air Force (Fuerza Aérea Argentina: FAA) Fightinghawks are planned to be retired before 2018 due to lack of spares and their age. The FAA's Dassault Mirage fleet was retired in November 2015 without a replacement.

The decision made due to Argentina's economic problems and, according to Martínez, there will be no new aircraft procurement in the short term, at least until the fiscal situation improves.

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http://www.janes.com/article/67438/argentina-officially-suspends-fighter-replacement-programme
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 03/02/2017 | 15:53 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 03/02/2017 | 15:01 uur
Was de laatste strohalm voor die lui. Defacto defunct dus.
Ja..en weer een land met een verkeerde doch politiek makkelijke vorm van bezuinigen...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 03/02/2017 | 16:14 uur
Ik ben er zeker van dat ik nog een en ander gelezen had over de eventuele aankoop van de Kfir.
Maar dat is blijkbaar ook stil gevallen, "geld" een groot (zoniet hét) struikelblok...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/02/2017 | 22:16 uur
Agreement Reached on Lowest Priced F-35s in Program History

February 03, 2017

The U.S. Department of Defense and Lockheed Martin have reached an agreement on the next lot of F-35 aircraft (LRIP 10). This lot includes 90 aircraft total - 55 jets for the U.S. services and 35 jets for international partners and foreign military sales customers. Lot 10 reflects a $728M reduction in the total price when compared to Lot 9 and marks the first time the price for an F-35A is below $100M. The bottom line is unit prices, including jet, engine and fee for all three variants. went down.

"The LRIP-10 contract is a good and fair deal for the taxpayers, the U.S. Government, allies, and Industry," said Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan, F-35 Program Executive Officer. "We continue to work with Industry to drive costs out of the program."

The supersonic, multi-role F-35 represents a quantum leap in air dominance capability. It combines next generation characteristics of radar evading stealth, supersonic speed, and fighter agility with the most powerful and comprehensive integrated sensor package of any fighter aircraft in history. The F-35 is unmatched in its capability by any other tactical fighter aircraft in the world delivering unprecedented lethality and survivability.

The F-35A variant comprises approximately 85 percent of the program of record. The F-35A unit price in LRIP-10, including aircraft, engine and fee, is roughly seven percent lower than the previous LRIP-9 contract. Over the past two procurement lots (LRIP-9 and 10), the price of the F-35A has dropped 12 percent.

"With initiatives like Blueprint for Affordability and the natural learning curve, we are substantially bringing the cost of each aircraft down and at the same time the F-35 program will continue to add thousands of additional jobs to the U.S. economy as we increase production year over year," said Jeff Babione, Lockheed Martin F-35 Vice President and General Manager.

Currently, the F-35 program supports more than 1,300 suppliers in 45 states, directly and indirectly employs more than 146,000 people. There are also hundreds of suppliers around the world supporting the F-35 program, creating thousands of international jobs. By the 2020s, at full rate production, direct and indirect job growth is projected to be more than 260,000, with a majority of those jobs in the U.S.

In addition to procuring the air vehicles, this contract funds manufacturing support equipment and ancillary mission equipment. Deliveries of 90 aircraft begin in early 2018. To date, more than 200 operational F-35s are operated by eight different nations including Australia, Italy, Israel, Japan, Netherlands, Norway, United Kingdom and United States. In total, the F-35 program today plans to produce more than 3,000 aircraft with approximately 600 of those aircraft presently planned to be procured by our international allies.

F-35 Low Rate Initial Production 10 (LRIP 10) Fact Sheet

90 Jet Breakout:

The LRIP 10 contract includes 55 jets for the U.S. Services and 35 jets for international partners and foreign military sales customers:

44 F-35A for the U.S. Air Force

9 F-35B for the U.S. Marine Corps

2 F-35C for the U.S. Navy

3 F-35B for UK

6 F-35A for Norway

8 F-35A for Australia

2 F-35A for Turkey

4 F-35A for Japan

6 F-35A for Israel

6 F-35A for South Korea

F-35 Costs:

The Lot 10 contract represents a $728 million reduction in total price when compared to Lot 9. The approximate per variant unit prices, including jet, engine and fee are as follows:

F-35A: $94.6 million (7.3% reduction from Lot 9)

F-35B: $122.8 million (6.7% reduction from Lot 9)

F-35C $121.8 million (7.9% reduction from Lot 9)

Economic Impact:

The F-35 provides economic stability to the U.S. and Allied nations by creating jobs, commerce and security, and contributing to the global trade balance. Current low rate production supports more than 1,300 suppliers in 45 states, directly and indirectly employing more than 146,000 people. In addition it employees thousands of military and civil service positions at U.S bases both home and abroad making it the single largest -job generator in the Department of Defense.

Projections indicate those employment figures could more than double in the next four years following a quadrupling of production from the current 45 a year to more than 160 in 2020. For the decade 2011-2020, the F-35 program will create more jobs than any other Department of Defense initiative. In just this decade alone, the F-35 will infuse $60 billion into the economy. This will turn into hundreds of billions of dollars as the program is schedule to last more than 50 years. Along with the American economic impact, the program will provide billions of more dollars in U.S. exports.

In the 2020s, at full rate production, direct and indirect jobs will be more than 260,000.

https://www.f35.com/news/detail/agreement-reached-on-lowest-priced-f-35s-in-program-history
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 04/02/2017 | 01:03 uur
Dus 90 toestellen produceren op een productie lijn voor meer dan 200 toestellen per jaar. Terwijl de software ontwikkeling en systeem testen ruim vier jaar achter lopen op schema. Deze toestellen worden Block 3F met beperkingen.
Wat kunnen ze wel?
Waarschijnlijk is er nog zeker 10mln nodig per kist om ze op block4 te brengen. Die mag er dus nog bij.
Bron: nationalintrest.org  (http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/not-ready-f-35-needs-upgrades-meet-full-warfighting-strength-15592) gerekend met 300 toestellen.
In lot. 11 zitten weer Nederlandse toestellen toch?

edit: twijfel over de correctheid van de kosten voor de toestellen: flightglobal (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-finalises-deal-for-90-f-35s-claims-728m-s-433827/)
' The office estimates the total contract value for just the air vehicles at $8.2 billion. Pratt & Whitney previously received a $1.5 billion contract in July for F135 engine procurement for lot 10 and a $157 million contract the previous year for long-lead components. That adds up to $9.8 billion for airframes and engines in Lot 10, or about $950 million more than the $8.9 billion value available in the JPO's news release. The JPO could not immediately explain the discrepancy. '
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/02/2017 | 11:50 uur
USAF keeping A-10s until 2021, eyeing future 'family of systems' approach

Daniel Wasserbly, Washington, DC - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 08 February 2017

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The USAF will mull a 'family of systems' approach to CAS as it hopes to begin retiring its A-10 fleet from about 2021. Source: US Air Force

The US Air Force (USAF) expects to keep its full fleet of Fairchild-Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II close air support (CAS) aircraft for at least another four years, and then may explore a 'family of systems' approach, according to USAF Chief of Staff General David Goldfein.

"We're going to keep them until 2021, and then as a result of discussions we'll have with Secretary [of Defense Jim] Mattis and the department, and a review of all our budgets, that's what will determine the way ahead," he told reporters during a 7 February breakfast meeting.

Gen Goldfein noted that while the A-10 is a key close air support (CAS) platform, the overall CAS mission is addressed in varying ways and so replacing the A-10 is not as simple as keeping one aircraft type or replacing it with another.

For example, he noted that at the height of US operations in Afghanistan, each regional command there had different objectives and schemes of manoeuvre, so were best supported by rather different CAS platforms. In the east the USAF deployed General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc MQ-9 Reapers for endurance in mountainous terrain, in the south deployed A-10s for open fields and rolling terrain, in the north deployed Rockwell B-1B Lancer bombers for rapidly traversing longer ranges, and at times deployed Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcons where needed.

"We'll get this right if we can move from a platform discussion to a family of systems discussion," he said, adding that the family could include everything from B-1s to US Army AH-64 Apache attack helicopters and High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS). "The job of the air component commander is to knit these together" to provide CAS, the chief said.

The USAF in 2014 sought to fast-track retirement for hundreds of A-10s in order to save money for other priorities while staying within legally mandated budget limits.

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Argentina looks to keep A-4ARs flying in lieu of replacement

Santiago Rivas, Buenos Aires - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 08 February 2017

Key Points
The Argentine government has begun contract discussions with an undisclosed company to get 12 to 14 of the air force's Lockheed Martin (McDonnell Douglas) A-4AR Fightinghawks back into operational service for at least five years, the Ministry of Defence's (MoD's) secretary of logistics Walter Ceballos announced on 7 February.

Argentine minister of defence Julio Martínez a week earlier revealed that the government decided to suspend purchasing a new fighter aircraft to replace the Fightinghawks.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 08/02/2017 | 12:03 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/02/2017 | 11:50 uur
USAF keeping A-10s until 2021, eyeing future 'family of systems' approach

Daniel Wasserbly, Washington, DC - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 08 February 2017

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The USAF will mull a 'family of systems' approach to CAS as it hopes to begin retiring its A-10 fleet from about 2021. Source: US Air Force

The US Air Force (USAF) expects to keep its full fleet of Fairchild-Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II close air support (CAS) aircraft for at least another four years, and then may explore a 'family of systems' approach, according to USAF Chief of Staff General David Goldfein.

"We're going to keep them until 2021, and then as a result of discussions we'll have with Secretary [of Defense Jim] Mattis and the department, and a review of all our budgets, that's what will determine the way ahead," he told reporters during a 7 February breakfast meeting.

Gen Goldfein noted that while the A-10 is a key close air support (CAS) platform, the overall CAS mission is addressed in varying ways and so replacing the A-10 is not as simple as keeping one aircraft type or replacing it with another.

For example, he noted that at the height of US operations in Afghanistan, each regional command there had different objectives and schemes of manoeuvre, so were best supported by rather different CAS platforms. In the east the USAF deployed General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc MQ-9 Reapers for endurance in mountainous terrain, in the south deployed A-10s for open fields and rolling terrain, in the north deployed Rockwell B-1B Lancer bombers for rapidly traversing longer ranges, and at times deployed Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcons where needed.

"We'll get this right if we can move from a platform discussion to a family of systems discussion," he said, adding that the family could include everything from B-1s to US Army AH-64 Apache attack helicopters and High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS). "The job of the air component commander is to knit these together" to provide CAS, the chief said.

The USAF in 2014 sought to fast-track retirement for hundreds of A-10s in order to save money for other priorities while staying within legally mandated budget limits.

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Argentina looks to keep A-4ARs flying in lieu of replacement

Santiago Rivas, Buenos Aires - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly - 08 February 2017

Key Points

  • Officials said at least 12 A-4ARs could be made operational for another five years


  • Argentina suspended its efforts to replace the Fightinghawks for financial reasons

The Argentine government has begun contract discussions with an undisclosed company to get 12 to 14 of the air force's Lockheed Martin (McDonnell Douglas) A-4AR Fightinghawks back into operational service for at least five years, the Ministry of Defence's (MoD's) secretary of logistics Walter Ceballos announced on 7 February.

Argentine minister of defence Julio Martínez a week earlier revealed that the government decided to suspend purchasing a new fighter aircraft to replace the Fightinghawks.

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Kijk als je dan toch in de "niche"sector wil opereren(binnen Europa)  :devil: waarom (zoals al eens aangehaald)kopen wij ook niet een squadron van die "knallers" kunnen we "echt"meedoen met de grote jongens en de mensen op de grond(van de goede zijde  :devil: ) zullen er zeer blij mee zijn.(zal wel weer ijdele hoop zijn.  :P )

Kijk dat vindt ik dan weer wel geld waard voor de KLU(je ziet ik misgun ze echt niks.  :-* )
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 08/02/2017 | 14:14 uur
Citaat van: walter leever op 08/02/2017 | 12:03 uur
Kijk als je dan toch in de "niche"sector wil opereren(binnen Europa)  :devil: waarom (zoals al eens aangehaald)kopen wij ook niet een squadron van die "knallers" kunnen we "echt"meedoen met de grote jongens en de mensen op de grond(van de goede zijde  :devil: ) zullen er zeer blij mee zijn.(zal wel weer ijdele hoop zijn.  :P )

Kijk dat vindt ik dan weer wel geyld waard voor de KLU(je ziet ik misgun ze echt niks.  :-* )

Wat denk je dat het kost om die oude zooi vliegwaardig te houden!? Ontwikkel dan in Europa een nieuw CAS toestel met de A10 als voorbeeld.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 08/02/2017 | 14:49 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 08/02/2017 | 14:14 uur
Wat denk je dat het kost om die oude zooi vliegwaardig te houden!? Ontwikkel dan in Europa een nieuw CAS toestel met de A10 als voorbeeld.

Kijk dat 't niet meer de jongste is weet ik ook,maar om 't nou gelijk als "ouwe zooi" te bestempelen gaat me wat ver. ;)
Is in mijn ogen nog altijd 't beste voor laag over de grond,langdurig,precies en een "goddam hell of firepower"(er is bekend dat de "baardaapjes" niet zo gelukkig worden als ze deze horen aankomen,oftewel 't loopt heel hard heel dun door de broek. :devil: ,de andere kant,de onze wordt er weer heel gelukkig van)

Misschien zijn er wel oplossingen voor,de kosten bedoel ik dan;
-gezamelijk met de USA die dingen upgraden(wat zowiezo gaat gebeuren)
-Misschien is de USA wel gecharmeerd van deze "niche"binnen een Europese luchtmacht en valt er wat te regelen(prijs,onderhoud,onderdelen) dat weet ik dus niet maar vragen staat vrij.
-In de tussentijd,dus zolang die "ouwe meuk"  :-* nog vliegt zou 't verstandig zijn daar als Europa eens goed over na te denken(als dat al niet gebeurd) ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 08/02/2017 | 14:58 uur
Citaat van: walter leever op 08/02/2017 | 14:49 uur
Kijk dat 't niet meer de jongste is weet ik ook,maar om 't nou gelijk als "ouwe zooi" te bestempelen gaat me wat ver. ;)
Is in mijn ogen nog altijd 't beste voor laag over de grond,langdurig,precies en een "goddam hell of firepower"(er is bekend dat de "baardaapjes" niet zo gelukkig worden als ze deze horen aankomen,oftewel 't loopt heel hard heel dun door de broek. :devil: ,de andere kant,de onze wordt er weer heel gelukkig van)

Misschien zijn er wel oplossingen voor,de kosten bedoel ik dan;
-gezamelijk met de USA die dingen upgraden(wat zowiezo gaat gebeuren)
-Misschien is de USA wel gecharmeerd van deze "niche"binnen een Europese luchtmacht en valt er wat te regelen(prijs,onderhoud,onderdelen) dat weet ik dus niet maar vragen staat vrij.
-In de tussentijd,dus zolang die "ouwe meuk"  :-* nog vliegt zou 't verstandig zijn daar als Europa eens goed over na te denken(als dat al niet gebeurd) ;)

Gebouwd in de 70's en 80's.
Dus ja, oude troep.
En geen Euro airforce aub.
Ik heb ze live in actie gezien en het was niets minder dan fantastisch. Maar oude troep!
Lekker nieuwbouw of nieuw toestel ontwikkelen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 08/02/2017 | 15:03 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 08/02/2017 | 14:58 uur
Gebouwd in de 70's en 80's.
Dus ja, oude troep.
En geen Euro airforce aub.
Ik heb ze live in actie gezien en het was niets minder dan fantastisch. Maar oude troep!
Lekker nieuwbouw of nieuw toestel ontwikkelen.

Ik had 't niet over een Euro Airforce maar "gewoon"over de Klu. ;)
Ik heb ze ook verscheidene malen zien vuren(live)op een paar honderd meter afstand(Pampa Range)daar stonden wij met onze Stingertjes te oefenen. En idd het is een heel indrukwekkend zicht en geluid(trouwens als ik die tanks(wrakken)zag stuiteren wordt je daar ook niet echt vrolijk van,daarbinnen(gatenkaas)  ,maar zijn ze ook voor bedoeld)
Ik bedoelde dus "in afwachting van beter/nieuwer" ;)  (want god weet hoelang dat weer gaat duren,met al die "succesverhalen" tegenwoordig.)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/02/2017 | 11:40 uur
Restoring American Seapower: A New Fleet Architecture for the United States Navy 

http://csbaonline.org/research/publications/restoring-american-seapower-a-new-fleet-architecture-for-the-united-states-
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/02/2017 | 11:41 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/02/2017 | 11:40 uur
Restoring American Seapower: A New Fleet Architecture for the United States Navy 


Een echte F14 opvolger is voor de navy noodzakelijk...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/02/2017 | 11:50 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/02/2017 | 11:41 uur
Een echte F14 opvolger is voor de navy noodzakelijk...

Als er een onderschepper voor de lange afstand wordt bedoeld, dan wel ja.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/02/2017 | 12:05 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/02/2017 | 11:50 uur
Als er een onderschepper voor de lange afstand wordt bedoeld, dan wel ja.

The U.S. Navy Needs a New Fighter (And Russia and China Are to Blame)

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-us-navy-needs-new-fighter-russia-china-are-blame-19409
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/02/2017 | 11:42 uur
Russia Stops Mass Production Of Su-25 Ground Attack Aircraft (http://defence-blog.com/news/russia-stops-mass-production-of-su-25-ground-attack-aircraft.html)

Defence Blog
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 13/02/2017 | 13:39 uur
wat een vreemd geschreven bericht.

Rusland "stopt" massa productie van de S25. Dus ze gaan wel door op kleine schaal produceren, althans dat zegt zo'n titel.
Werd dat vliegtuig nog "uberhaubt gemaakt? In massa productie?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 15/02/2017 | 13:10 uur
Super Hornet Block 3 to de-emphasize on stealth, more on networking

Boeing latest effort for the Super Hornet Block 3 proposal will focus less on stealth and increase the jet's ability to network with other carrier-borne aircraft in the U.S. Navy.

The long-range infrared search track (IRST) sensor and conformal fuel tanks (CFT) are retained from the previous proposal. However, the IRST will not be internally-mounted.

To allow the jet to share high-speed data with the Growler and E-2D, Boeing is proposing to add the Distributed Targeting Processor Network (DTPN) and Tactical Targeting Network Technology (TTNT) to the Block 3.

http://alert5.com/2017/02/15/super-hornet-block-3-to-de-emphasize-on-stealth-more-on-networking/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 15/02/2017 | 14:18 uur
Wordt de Firma Stavatti een speler in het TX programma ?
Nu hebben ze ook (op papier) een optie voor het A10 vervangings/ OA-X programma

http://www.stavatti.com/stavatti-releases-new-machete-development-program-plan/

Ze hebben een prop- en jet aangedreven type, namelijk SM-27 en SM-28, beiden "Machete" genoemd.
SM-27 is uitgevoerd met het A-10 30mm kanon !  Aankoop : $ 22,5 miljoen/stuk

http://www.stavatti.com/aircraft/sm-27/

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The Machete: The Super Plane That Could Replace the A-10 Warthog (Or Not)?
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-machete-the-super-plane-could-replace-the-10-warthog-or-19431


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 15/02/2017 | 17:06 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 15/02/2017 | 17:13 uur
Sweden's Saab offers high-tech jet production to India

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new version of Saab's Gripen E fighter was presented by the company last year.

Swedish defence giant Saab has offered to build a state-of-the-art fighter jet factory in India should it seal a lucrative deal to supply hundreds of military jets to New Delhi.
Saab and its US competitor Lockheed Martin have emerged as the frontrunners to supply around 250 single-engine combat planes to India's air force which wants to revamp its Soviet-era military hardware.

The Saab proposal would see "the world's most modern" military aircraft factory roll out the Gripen E fighter not just for India but the global market.

"It is an unrivalled offer that will set new standards in aeronautical engineering excellence for decades to come, should India procure Gripen," Saab India chairman Jan Widerstrom said in a statement Friday.

The offer comes just days after Lockheed Martin indicated its plan to set up a production line in India for its iconic F-16 combat aircraft was subject to approval from the new administration under Donald Trump.

Saab's proposal also comes amid a push by Prime Minister Narendra Modi to reduce India's reliance on expensive defence imports while it seeks to bolster its military in the face of China's growing clout in the region.

Modi's government has raised the limit on foreign investment in the defence sector and encouraged tie-ups between foreign and local companies under a 'Make in India' campaign.

Saab said its proposal met the objectives of the world's largest defence importer.

"Saab is offering an industrial facility that will be the centre-of-gravity for the Made-in-India Gripen," said Widerstrom.

Last year India signed a contract to buy 36 Rafale twin-engine fighter jets for 7.9 billion euros ($8.8 billion) after major delays and obstacles over the cost and assembly of the planes in India.

http://www.thelocal.se/20170212/swedens-saab-offers-high-tech-jet-production-hub-to-india

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 15/02/2017 | 17:17 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/02/2017 | 09:10 uur
US Navy revives interest in Super Hornet engine upgrades  ( ... gaat de USN de advanced super hornet upgrade's voor de F-18E/F/G er doordrukken ? )

The US Navy has revived interest in studying a major upgrade of the engine that powers the Boeing F/A-18E/F, EA-18G and two foreign fighters, including the possible addition of new technologies.

In early February, Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) notified industry that it would ask GE Aviation to submit a proposal for a contract for the company's engineers to perform a study on an "F414-GE-400 core enhancement evaluation".

Such notifications are required when the government plans to award a contract without inviting competing bids. No other details about the contents or objectives of the study were provided in NAVAIR study, which is described only as an assessment of "how upgrades ... could improve engine performance, as well as F/A-18E/F and EA-18G performance".

Asked to comment on the contract notification, GE released a statement to FlightGlobal that was approved by NAVAIR.

"NAVAIR has expressed interest in GE evaluating how our latest engine technologies could be applied to the F414 Enhanced Engine," GE says.

GE's proposed Enhanced Engine design surfaced as a proposal several years ago as part of Boeing's Super Hornet bid for India's fighter competition. GE has tested the durability or thrust upgrades in laboratory rigs. NAVAIR also paid GE in late 2013 to evaluate the F414 Enhanced Engine, with the possibility of funding a development programme two years later, although that follow-on contract never materialised.

"We believe this study would be an update of the previous work to include new technologies," says GE, without elaborating.

A term in the title of the latest NAVAIR study — "core enhancement" — suggests the navy is focusing now on the three modules in the core of the engine, which include the high-pressure compressor, combustor and high-pressure turbine.

Any new technologies would come on top of GE's proposals for the F414 Enhanced Engine. In the core section, these included 3D aerodynamic shaping of the compressor blades and an improved cooling system for the turbine blades. GE had previously considered inserting ceramic matrix composites in the turbine of the F414 Enhanced Engine, but as of early 2014 had resolved to continue using metallic alloy blades.

NAVAIR's interest in upgrading the F/A-18E/F's propulsion system comes after a remarkable turn-around for the Boeing production line in St. Louis. A year ago, the programme appeared to be close to winding down after completing remaining deliveries to the USN. Then, Boeing won long-sought deals to deliver at least 28 Super Hornets to Kuwait, 36 fighters to Qatar and a commitment from Canada to buy at least 18 F/A-18E/Fs. Moreover, US Defense secretary Jim Mattis said in late January that the F/A-18E/F could continue to be used as an internal competitor against the F-35.

"The Super Hornet now appears to be one of the more solid aircraft programmes rather than on the brink of death," says Richard Aboulafia, Teal Group vice president of strategy, speaking at the Pacific Northwest Aviation Alliance conference on 15 February.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-navy-revives-interest-in-super-hornet-engine-upgr-434227/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/02/2017 | 10:17 uur
Boeing's Souped-Up Super Hornet Adds Smart U.S. Navy Firepower (nu het complete artikel)

Lara Seligman | Aviation Week & Space Technology | Feb 14, 2017

As President Donald Trump signals he may reconsider the mix of F-35Cs and F/A-18s for the carrier air wing of the 2020s and beyond, Boeing is pitching an upgraded "Block 3" Super Hornet designed to add firepower and act as a smart node on the U.S. Navy's future network. 

While the service's first F-35Cs will come online in 2018, the F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet will make up at least half of the carrier air wing through the 2040s. The challenge is to keep the Super Hornet, an airframe originally designed in the 1990s, relevant and effective against advanced threats into the middle of the century. 
Boeing's Latest Advanced Super Hornet Pitch

Secretary of Defense James Mattis is overseeing a review comparing F-35C and F/A-18 E/F

>> "Block 3" moves away from stealth, increases magazine depth

>> New design features conformal fuel tanks, long-range IRST, advanced computing

>> Will complement F-35C, E-2D and Growler

That issue is nothing new for Boeing, but the discussion about the next step for Super Hornet has shifted in the past few years. While the "Advanced Super Hornet" Boeing proposed in 2013 focused on stealth, the new and improved Block 3 is designed to optimize the Navy's integrated network architecture, says Dan Gillian, Boeing F/A-18 and EA-18 program manager.

The big question for the carrier air wing through the 2030s, says Gillian, is:  "How can the Super Hornet evolve in a complementary way with the E-2D [Hawkeye] and Growler to help address some of those carrier gaps?"

Boeing believes the Navy could detail a plan to procure the Super Hornet Block 3 as soon as the fiscal 2018 budget proposal, expected later this spring. A fiscal 2019 buy would mean Boeing could have aircraft off the production line in the early 2020s, Gillian notes.

The revived conversation about the advanced Super Hornet is emerging just weeks after Trump made headlines by pitting the naval strike fighter against Lockheed Martin's F-35. In a blow to Lockheed, he asked Boeing to price out the cost of building a "comparable" Super Hornet as a possible alternative to the F-35C carrier variant, and Secretary of Defense James Mattis has since ordered a review comparing the two aircraft.

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Boeing

However, Gillian would not say definitively whether Block 3 could replace the F-35C in the carrier air wing. Boeing is focused on "complementary capability," and ultimately the Navy will decide the right mix of each platform, he stresses. 

"We are supporting Block 3 as a key piece of solving the carrier air wing capability problem," he says. "Our job is to present solutions to solve their warfighting problems."

Gillian envisions a Block 3 Super Hornet working in tandem with the stealthy F-35C, Growler's full-spectrum jammer and E-2D's early-warning capability to dominate the skies. The addition of a long-range infrared sensor (IRST) will allow Block 3 to detect and track advanced threats from a distance, while conformal fuel tanks (CFT) will extend range by 100-120 nm. The CFTs are designed to replace the extra fuel tanks Super Hornets currently sling under the wing, reducing weight and drag and enabling additional payload.

These changes allow a fully loaded Block 3 Super Hornet to operate in conjunction with a stealthy F-35, providing air cover and greater magazine depth.

"You can have an F-35 in its very stealthy way doing a deep-strike mission with Super Hornet providing air superiority at that same range, or you can have Super Hornet carrying large standoff weapons that F-35 cannot carry, with F-35 providing some air cover," Gillian says. "You get very mission-flexible, so range is important."

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Boeing

Certain features of the 2013 proposal, such as the enclosed weapons pod and internal IRST sensor, were dropped from the 2016-17 package because Boeing's analysis determined the Super Hornet was "stealthy enough"—it can fly full-up and still be survivable. Boeing engineers found they needed to make design compromises to significantly reduce the aircraft's radar cross-section—for instance, by restricting payload.

"At some point we drew a line that would allow us to be stealthy enough in a balanced survivable way to be effective, and that is what we think we have," Gillian says. "The F-35 is a stealthier airplane, but we have a balanced approach to survivability, including electronic warfare and self-protection."

Block 3 also features an advanced computing infrastructure designed to take advantage of the future carrier air wing's sophisticated sensor architecture. The aircraft will have an advanced cockpit system with a large-area display for improved user interface, a more powerful computer called the Distributed Targeting Processor Network (DTPN), and a bigger data pipe for passing information known as Tactical Targeting Network Technology (TTNT). TTNT is already a program of record for Growler and E-2D, and DTPN is also fielded on the Growler.

"You have your IRST sensor, you have other sensors in the carrier air wing, you need a big pipe to move that information around, then you need a big computer to be able to fuse all that information together," Gillian says. "Block 3 Super Hornet needs to be a smart node on the network capable of crunching and passing data across the network to other assets."

This advanced computing architecture ensures the Super Hornet, Growler and E-2D can talk to each other and pass critical threat data over the same network in combat. However, the F-35 is not on TTNT; rather it uses the smaller-bandwidth Link 16 network to pass and receive data from fourth-generation aircraft.

The result is that while the F-35C can communicate with the rest of the carrier air wing, passing large amounts of data may be more difficult.

While improving fifth-to-fourth generation connectivity is an ongoing discussion, "I think the question is: how does F-35 plug in with everybody else?" Gillian says. "If everybody else is on TTNT, there seems like an obvious answer there."

The Navy could probably add TTNT to the F-35's Link 16 functionality, but the fighter cannot broadcast on any Link 16 waveform without compromising its stealth, because Link 16 is not a low-probability-of-intercept waveform. The F-35 can pass large amounts of data to other F-35s via the stealthy Multifunction Advanced Data Link, which most other aircraft cannot currently access.

Another difference between the 2016 and 2013 offerings is that Boeing is offering to deliver a 9,000-hr. airplane straight off the production line, Gillian says. Combined with the company's ongoing effort to extend the existing Super Hornets to 9,000 hr. from 6,500, this will help the Navy maintain inventory and boost readiness, he says.

Although the Navy has not publicly committed to Block 3, Gillian thinks the service is very interested in the capability.

"I believe there is a general acceptance of the fact that we need to advance the Super Hornet, because it is going to be a front-line fighter [from the] 2020s into the '40s," Gillian says. "We believe we have good alignment on the Block 3 Super Hornet systems that address key carrier air wing gaps in a complementary way with the F-35, E-2D and Growler."

http://aviationweek.com/combat-aircraft/boeing-s-souped-super-hornet-adds-smart-us-navy-firepower
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/02/2017 | 14:46 uur
Half of Delivered F-35s Need Extensive Retrofits

US Air Force Must Retrofit 108 F-35As

WASHINGTON DC --- The US Air Force's number of F-35As in need of hardware or software retrofits has grown to 108 aircraft, and the service could deliver more fighters without Block 3F capabilities.

The air force is now facing a fleet of 108 F-35As that must be retrofitted from the Block 2B or 3i configuration, Lt Gen Jerry Harris, USAF deputy chief of staff for strategic plans and requirements, states in a 16 February testimony to Congress. The USAF and the F-35 Joint Programme Office are working together on a Block 3F upgrade plan.

When the USAF declared its F-35A variant ready for limited combat last August, the service's chief of Air Combat Command noted the aircraft still needed significant and would gain greater capabilities with impending software and hardware upgrades. Block 3F and 4, which the USAF expects will be available in 2018 and 2021, will increase the F-35's weapons capacity and improve targeting.

Twenty-six of those 108 aircraft will require a software-only upgrade, according to Harris. In addition to software modifications, 19 aircraft will also require new signal processor cards which the service says will take an average of three days to install and test. The service must install 18 aircraft with a newer helmet mounted display system, in addition to the processor cards and software, which will take 15 days to install.

"The remaining forty-five aircraft will require significant hardware modifications in the form of a Tech Refresh 2 modification," Harris states. "This modification consists of twenty-six major components and takes approximately 30 days per aircraft to install and checkout."

The USAF's operational test aircraft also require Block 3F hardware modifications. But with availability of the full fleet of 23 aircraft projected in 2018, those modifications have fallen behind.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/181186/half-of-delivered-f_35s-need-extensive-retrofits.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/02/2017 | 11:16 uur
Trump Eyes 'Big Order' of New F/A-18XT Super Hornets

https://www.dodbuzz.com/2017/02/17/trump-order-fa-18xt-super-hornets/#.WKgeozeK_4g.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/02/2017 | 14:16 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 18/02/2017 | 13:50 uur
Ben benieuwd. Past natuurlijk niet in het '5th generation' narrative, maar zou een behoorlijke boost in capabilities kunnen betekenen. Maar goed, wat is flink, kan een orde van grote van tientallen of over de honderd zijn.

Idd... waarbij ik me afvraag wat deze eventuele XT (block 3) order zou beteken voor zowel de F18E/F als het aantal F35C.

Is het voor een order(tje)? voor Boeing de moeite waard om de SH verder door te ontwikkelen? Biedt het extra export kansen?

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 19/02/2017 | 11:51 uur
Het JSF project viel in maar liefst drie valkuilen.

1. Toen de System Development & Demonstration (SDD) fase begon, waren 7 van de 8 sleutel technologieën niet volwassen.
Dat is vragen om grote schema en begroting overschrijdingen.  Het GAO (Amerikaanse rekenkamer) waarschuwde hier in 2003 en 2004 al voor, maar er werd niet geluisterd.
Gevolg:  oorspronkelijk zou de SDD fase eindigen in 2012 !  Maar dat wordt op zijn spoedigst eind 2018 of begin 2019, maar waarschijnlijk eindigt deze in 2020.
Deze SDD fase was ook over ambitieus qua inzet van simulaties, laboratorium tests of zelfs bureau studies.  Slechts 17 % van alle tests zouden testvluchten in het 'ecchie' worden.
2. Concurrency, in Nederlands overlapping van ontwikkeling en productie.  We hebben bij de B-1B lancer gezien waar dat toe leidt.  Proberen te lopen, voordat je kunt kruipen, leidt tot ongelukken.
3.  Teveel multi-functionaliteit.  Het JSF moest kisten zoals de F-16, F-18, op termijn de F-15E, F-117, A-6 Intruder en AV-8 Harrier vervangen.
Leidt tot een kist die heel veel kan, maar nergens goed in is.  Of leidt tot een kist die multi-functioneel bedoelt is, maar ironisch genoeg eindigt als een zeer gespecialiseerd toestel.  Dat hebben we meegemaakt bij het Multi Role Combat Aircraft-75 (MRCA-75), beter bekend als Tornado.

In 2001 / 2002 werd ons belooft dat de F-35A block 3 alle capaciteiten / vaardigheden zou bezitten.
En zo ging dit papieren JSF project de KLu kandidaten vergelijking in.
Het JSF project en de Rafale F1 / F2 hadden heel veel gemeen qua vlieg prestaties (bereik, wendbaarheid, klimvermogen, etc.).
Hun logistieke staarten waren identiek !
Beiden hadden ook veel gemeen qua vaardigheden.  Maar omdat het JSF project veel jonger is, dus moderner, haalde 11 % meer punten dan de
gedeeltelijk papieren Rafale F4.
Geen verassing, dat het JSF op 1 eindigde en de Rafale nauw in het kielzog op 2 eindigde.

Maar de valkuilen deden hun werk.
En we hebben nog steeds geen goed werkende F-35 block 3 volgens de oorspronkelijke specificaties.
Die zal er ook nooit komen, want de Technical Refresh 2 (TR2) hardware, met een architectuur stammend uit het begin van deze eeuw is eenvoudig niet capabel genoeg om de zeer ambitieuze tot over ambitieuze software te kunnen draaien.
Dus zitten we nu met een F-35 block 3F die minder capabel is dan de F-18E/F Super Hornet en Rafale F2 en F3 !
En F-35A vlieg prestaties die die van de F-4 Phantom en F-5E Tiger benaderen.  De F-35B en F-35C hebben vlieg prestaties vergelijkbaar met deze derde generatie jachtvliegtuigen.
Israel gaat voor eigen wel adequate hardware, die enkele jaren geleden op de markt gekomen is.
Het Pentagon gaat voor een Follow-on Modernization (FoM) waarbij de F-35 block 4.2 en block 4.4 volledig nieuwe TR3 hardware en software krijgen.
Deze update en upgrade is veel ingrijpender dan de F-16A/B block 5 /10 /15 Operational Capability Update (OCU) uit de eighties.  En zelfs nog iets ingrijpender dan de
Mid Life Update (MLU) uit de nineties.

De KLu wilt haar F-35A's tussen 2019 - 2022 invoeren, te vroeg voor de FoM.
Maar de US Navy en US Air Force hebben inmiddels op de F-35 block 3F rem getrapt en wachten af tot de uiteindelijke F-35 block 4.2 en 4.4 beschikbaar komen.
Maar dan komt het Directorate Operational Testing & Evaluation (DOT&E) met de conclusie dat deze FoM niet uitvoerbaar is !

Citaat: The program's plans for FoM are not executable for a number of reasons including, but not limited to the following:

-- Too much technical content for the production-schedule driven developmental timeline

-- Overlapping increments without enough time for corrections to deficiencies from OT to be included in the next increment

-- High risk due to excessive technical debt and deficiencies from the balance of SDD and IOT&E being carried forward into FoM because the program does not have a plan or funding to resolve key deficiencies from SDD prior to attempting to add the planned Block 4.1 capabilities

-- Inadequate test infrastructure (aircraft, laboratories, personnel) to meet the testing demands of the capabilities planned and the multiple configurations (i.e., TR2, TR3, and Foreign Military Sales)

-- Insufficient resources for conducting realistic operational testing of each increment

Experience with the F-22 modernization program indicates the planned 18 to 24-month cycle for FoM is insufficient for the large number of planned additional capabilities; the F-22 increments had less content, plus software maintenance releases between new capability releases.
The current plan for F-35 Block 4.2 only has 18 months for DT flight test and 6 months for OT&E, despite containing substantially more new capabilities and weapons than F-22 Block 3.2B.

For comparison, the F-22 Block 3.2B program planned approximately two years (24 months) for DT flight test and one year (12 months) of OT&E spin-up and flight test; F-22 Blocks 3.1, 3.2A and 3.2B have suffered delays and problems accomplishing testing due to inadequate test resources and schedule.


De VS heeft de luxe positie dat men alternatieven kan inzetten, zoals herbouwde F-15E's;  nieuwbouw F-15E's met vergelijkbare vaardigheden zoals de F-15SA en F-15SE;  A-10C's met een levensduur verlenging tot 2040 en ... F-18XT's (block 3).

De US Air Force moet het dan doen met een vrij kleine vloot F-35A's die zeer waarschijnlijk nooit aan de oorspronkelijke specificaties zal voldoen.
Maar de KLu en enkele andere luchtmachten hebben dan een jachtvliegtuig vloot volledig bestaand uit LightningII's.

Donders !





Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Enforcer op 20/02/2017 | 09:44 uur
Uiteindelijk kan het inderdaad best wel blijken dat het voor Boeing maar goed is dat zij het JSF bid verloren hebben.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/02/2017 | 10:00 uur
Citaat van: Enforcer op 20/02/2017 | 09:44 uur
Uiteindelijk kan het inderdaad best wel blijken dat het voor Boeing maar goed is dat zij het JSF bid verloren hebben.

Wellicht dat ze een aantal extra F18E/F zullen kunnen slijten al zie ik veel meer potentie in de FA/XX.

De F35A en B zie ik niet echt in gevaar komen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Enforcer op 20/02/2017 | 12:09 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/02/2017 | 10:00 uur
Wellicht dat ze een aantal extra F18E/F zullen kunnen slijten al zie ik veel meer potentie in de FA/XX.

De F35A en B zie ik niet echt in gevaar komen.

In gevaar niet, maar ik zie Trump als zakenman wel Lockheed flink uitgespeeld worden tov Boeing, zodat de US belastingbetaler er beter van wordt. Lockheed lijkt nu te veel op een monopolist.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/02/2017 | 12:23 uur
F-35C Needs New Outer Wings To Carry AIM-9X

James Drew and Lara Seligman   |   Aerospace Daily & Defense Report | Feb 17, 2017

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An F-35C carrying the Raytheon AIM-9X heat-seeking missile during flight testing: Lockheed Martin

The head of the F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) says the outer wings of 32 carrier-based C-models need to be replaced to carry the Raytheon AIM-9X Sidewinder, the aircraft's primary dogfighting weapon.

The U.S. Navy variant experienced an undisclosed amount of oscillation or turbulence during flight trials with the AIM-9X in December 2015, and Lt. Gen. Christopher Bogdan says aircraft already delivered need to be retrofitted with strengthened wings.

"It was discovered the outer, folding portion of the wing has inadequate structural strength to support the loads induced by pylons with AIM-9X missiles during maneuvers that cause buffet," Bogdan says in written testimony to Congress on Feb. 16.

Engineers have already produced an enhanced outer wing design, which is now undergoing flight testing. The issue has impacted the timeline for fielding AIM-9X, which is being rolled out for the Navy in Block 3F. "Once the new design is verified to provide the require strength, the fix will be implemented in production and retrofitted to existing aircraft by swapping existing outer wings with the redesigned ones," Bogdan writes.

The AIM-9X is the heat-seeking sidekick to the Raytheon AIM-120C advanced medium-range air-to-air missile. Without it, the F-35 would be incapable of high off-boresight shots at close range. Because of a seven-year schedule delay, the fifth-generation fighter will carry air superiority missiles that are one generation behind its legacy counterparts, which are already carrying the newest AIM-9X Block II and AIM-120D.

Various problems discovered during developmental testing of AIM-9X have already delayed the weapon's expected fleet-wide rollout by one month, shifting from October to November 2017. The missile must be delivered in time to support initial operational test and evaluation and complete the 17-year F-35 system development and demonstration phase by May 2018. The Navy, in particular, must be cleared to fly and shoot the AIM-9X to declare combat-ready status with its first squadron of F-35C Block 3F aircraft in 2018.

Another task for the F-35 team is adding a moving target capability, as reported by Aviation Week on Feb. 15. There are currently no plans to install weapons capable of hitting moving and maneuvering targets, such as an insurgent driving away in a pickup truck. These types of weapons were designed for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and can hit targets traveling at speeds of up to at 70 mph. They are now making their mark in the air campaign against the Islamic State group. Because the F-35's laser designator cannot lead the target, its basic inventory of late-1990s guided bombs will fall short if that target moves briskly.

The JPO is now working with the U.S. Air Force and Marine Corps to integrate Raytheon's GBU-49 Lot 5 Enhanced Paveway II, which automatically corrects for target speed and direction as well as wind conditions. The Marines have expressed a preference for the Raytheon GBU-53B Small Diameter Bomb Increment II, but that is not slated for full integration and flight clearance until Block 4.2, around fiscal 2022 or later. It is not clear if GBU-49 will be automatically selected for F-35 or competed against the latest Boeing Laser Joint Direct Attack Munition and Lockheed Dual Mode Plus. Whatever the decision, it cannot delay F-35 Block 3F.

"I'm working to figure out how we can fit that in sooner rather than later, whether it becomes part of Block 3F or if it gets done at the tail end of 3F," Bogdan told reporters after the congressional hearing. "The big deal there is to get it done before the middle of Block 4, when we get the moving target capability."

Bogdan says the F-35 was originally due to be fielded with a cluster bomb that could hit moving targets, the CBU-103 Wind Corrected Munition Dispenser. But the Pentagon has pledged to stop using cluster munitions that leave unexploded ordnance by 2018.

GBU-49 can operate through poor visibility but is not an all-weather weapon. "SDB II is the weapon we all want, and that's an all-weather moving target [glide bomb]," says Lt. Gen. Jon Davis, deputy commandant for Marine Corps aviation.

http://aviationweek.com/defense/f-35c-needs-new-outer-wings-carry-aim-9x
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/02/2017 | 12:28 uur
Citaat van: Enforcer op 20/02/2017 | 12:09 uur
In gevaar niet, maar ik zie Trump als zakenman wel Lockheed flink uitgespeeld worden tov Boeing, zodat de US belastingbetaler er beter van wordt. Lockheed lijkt nu te veel op een monopolist.

Geen bezwaar, ik neem aan dat wij daar ook als partner beter van zullen worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Enforcer op 20/02/2017 | 13:10 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/02/2017 | 12:28 uur
Geen bezwaar, ik neem aan dat wij daar ook als partner beter van zullen worden.

Ik neem aan van niet, omdat de kosten juist naar de overige lande overgeheveld gaan worden in het kader van "America First, the rest second..". En zeker wanneer er nog meer F35's geproduceerd worden. Tenzij men stopt met de F35 en meer A en B varianten daar (deels) voor in de plaats komen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/02/2017 | 14:01 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 20/02/2017 | 13:41 uur
Alles wat wij minder betalen krijgt de VS ook minder. Lijkt me dat ze dat voordeel zoveel mogelijk willen beperken.

Vast, afwachten wat de uitkomst wordt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 20/02/2017 | 16:53 uur
@Poleme...eigenlijk krijgen we dus met de F-35 een soort dure F-4 Phantom ?, beter gezegd een oude F-16 doet het nog steeds beter. :devil:?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 20/02/2017 | 20:22 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 20/02/2017 | 16:53 uur
@Poleme...eigenlijk krijgen we dus met de F-35 een soort dure F-4 Phantom ?, beter gezegd een oude F-16 doet het nog steeds beter. :devil:?

Really?

Je wil deze discussie nog een keer overdoen?  :dead:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 20/02/2017 | 21:32 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 20/02/2017 | 16:53 uur
@Poleme...eigenlijk krijgen we dus met de F-35 een soort dure F-4 Phantom ?, beter gezegd een oude F-16 doet het nog steeds beter. :devil:?
De F-35 heeft inderdaad veel gemeen met die andere Strike Fighter, de F-4 Phantom.

De F-16 doet het qua vlieg prestaties beter ja,  Maar daar is ook alles mee gezegd.  Zelfs als LockheedMartin er in slaagt om 80 a 90 % van de oorspronkelijke capaciteit / vaardigheden specificaties van de F-35 weet te halen, dan blijft deze in dit opzicht superieur aan de F-16AM en F-16C !

De Israelische luchtmacht verbeterd de F-35A vlieg prestaties door zeker 500 kg van de in totaal circa 650 kg aan Radar Absorbent Materials (RAM) niet toe te passen.
De F-35I Adir wordt dan net als de Rafale en F-18E/F Super Hornet een "balanced semi stealthy" jachtbommenwerper.
Waarbij meer de nadruk wordt gelegd op Elektronische  Oorlog Voering (EOV), nog afgezien van toepassing van een actieve manier van steelsheid, "actieve annulering".
Men veel meer doet dan vroeger aan (stiekeme, dus steelse) afleiding en misleiding van vijandelijke sensoren dan puur storen van die apparatuur.  Of te wel "cyber oorlog" in de lucht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/02/2017 | 22:48 uur
U.A.E. to Build Russian Warplane as Iran Stokes Mideast Tensions

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-20/u-a-e-to-build-russian-warplane-as-iran-stokes-mideast-tensions
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/02/2017 | 23:05 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/02/2017 | 22:48 uur
U.A.E. to Build Russian Warplane as Iran Stokes Mideast Tensions


Heb ik toch niet goed opgelet want deze zag ik niet aankomen.  :cute-smile:

Maar ook niet zo verrassend dat men in die regio minder afhankelijk van de Amerikanen wil zijn, ik begrijp nu wel de aankondiging van afgelopen week dat de Russen een "lichtgewicht" 2e LO vliegtuig willen gaan ontwikkelen... ze hebben blijkbaar een rijke financier gevonden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 22/02/2017 | 11:24 uur
Een gedachte / optie, welke ik op het internet tegenkwam, namelijk ;

EA-6B niet uitfaseren, maar gebruiken als long range bomber / missiletruck, waarbij de achterste 2 zitplaatsen worden vervangen door brandstof

Combat range: 2,818 nmi (3,243 mi; 5,219 km) => van een standaard A-6 Intruder
Hardpoints : 5 hardpoints with a capacity of 3,600 lb (1,600 kg) each (4 under wings, 1 under fuselage), 18,000 lb (8,200 kg) total,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_A-6_Intruder

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 22/02/2017 | 16:25 uur
Clear the Decks: Super Hornet to Challenge F-35

Shifting political winds are generating a new fighter jet competition between Boeing and Lockheed Martin. The end result could be more F/A-18 Super Hornets and fewer F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, according to defense and aerospace analysts.

President Donald Trump has bashed the F-35 program and complained about its high price tag. He asked Boeing, the manufacturer of the F/A-18, to price out a "comparable" Super Hornet as a potential alternative to Lockheed's jet.

The new commander-in-chief suggested that major programmatic changes are afoot. "We're going to do some big things on the F-35 program and perhaps the F/A-18 program," he told reporters in January. "We're going to get those costs down ... and we're going to have competition. And it's going to be a beautiful thing."

The Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy are buying the A, B and C variants of the F-35, respectively. The Pentagon is already laying the groundwork to compete the F/A-18 against the F-35C, the carrier-launched version of the joint strike fighter.

During his first week in office, Secretary of Defense James Mattis issued a memo directing his deputy to oversee a review that compares their operational capabilities.

Mattis also tasked his subordinates to "assess the extent that F/A-18E/F improvements — an advanced Super Hornet — can be made in order to provide a competitive, cost effective, fighter aircraft alternative."

The results and recommendations of the review will inform upcoming budget decisions, he said.

Meanwhile, Lockheed and Boeing executives have been meeting with Trump to tout their technologies and cost reduction efforts.

"The F-35 is the most capable multi-role fighter in the world," a Lockheed spokesman told National Defense. "We look forward to continuing to work with the DoD and partner nations to deliver the F-35 at the most affordable price possible."

In a statement, Boeing said: "We have been responsive to requests for information from the incoming Trump administration. ... We remain committed to working with the new president and Congress to provide affordable, capable Boeing products and services to meet our national security needs."

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/181368/super-hornet-to-challenge-f_35-for-us-navy-orders.html

Gehele artikel, zie onderstaande LINK
http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2017/March/Pages/CleartheDecksSuperHornettoChallengeF35.aspx

Toevoeging/ comment op bovenstaande artikel :
1. The F-35 is not "the most capable multi-role fighter in the world" because it is still in development with no end in sight and all of its performance capabilities are "TBD" -- to be determined -- according to the SAR, a project document. The system has not been fully tested yet, and won't be for some time. Lockheed has the most capable brochures, is all.
2. While the Marine Corps also has plans to buy the F-35C there is no foreign interest in that variant, unlike the other two variants, so that lever can't be used to sustain the carrier variant.
3. There should be no "very significant cost increases" in the other variants if the C were terminated because of the small relative quantity and the fact that there is low commonality between the variants, 20-30% according to Bogdan. That's one reason the F-35 costs are so high; the planned 70-90% commonality has evaporated in the face of different service requirements. Also the foreign variants are different because of US export laws.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 22/02/2017 | 16:37 uur
Lockheed Talks F-16 Sales and Upgrades with (Gulf) Region's Forces   ( ... F-16 vliegt nog wel even door .. )

The US defence company Lockheed Martin is in talks with Arabian Gulf countries to sell F-16 multi-role fighter jets as well as upgrades to existing fleets.

"We are talking to some in the region [about sales]," Rick Groesch, Lockheed's regional vice president, said on Tuesday at the International Defence Exhibition and Conference (Idex) in Abu Dhabi.

Talks with Bahrain on the sale of 16 to 19 F-16s stalled during the administration of the US president Barack Obama but have resumed under Donald Trump, said Mr Groesch.

"We are talking to them [Bahrain] about it and the [US] government is talking to them about buying an additional production aircraft which will be designated Block 70," he said.

Bahrain, the first country in the region to acquire F-16s about 25 years ago, is also looking to upgrade its existing fleet of 20 Block 40 aircraft, he said.

Lockheed Martin is still in discussions about possible upgrade of the UAE's Block 60 F-16s, called the Desert Falcon. "Our concentration right now is the support of the aircraft that they got to be able to keep them available to fly the combat sortie rates," Mr Groesch said. "We are doing all the stuff right now in conjunction with the UAE Air Force to be able to have them fly those airplanes to 2030 to 2040."

The company is talking to several countries about upgrades, including to Egypt for its fleet of 30 Block 15 variants. Lockheed also plans to deliver five to six remaining Block 50 F-16s out of 36 built for Iraq.

"We will be done with production of Iraq aircraft later on toward the end of this year," Mr Groesch said.

The company plans to keep future production of F-16s in the US, he said. Lockheed has created F-16 assembly plants in Turkey, Portugal, Belgium and the Netherlands in the past. "The next customer that we sell F-16 to we will build them in the US," said Mr Groesch.

The Trump administration has criticised US companies that have factories and assembly lines overseas and has vowed to create US jobs with his "America First" motto.

As for the delivery of C-130Js for Saudi Arabia, the company is still waiting for government-to-government talks to conclude. In 2013, the US announced Saudi Arabia's intent to purchase 25 c-130J Super Hercules through a foreign military sale (FMS).

So far, Lockheed has delivered two KC-130J planes to Saudi Arabia.

"We continue to work with Saudi," said Timothy German, a regional executive at Lockheed. "It is an FMS case, so that's between the US government and the Saudi government to determine the pacing when the rest of them will be delivered."

The UAE had held talks with Lockheed about the purchase of 12 C130J aircraft, without reaching an agreement.

"We continue to support the UAE with their existing fleet of C130 and L-100s," said Mr German. "We are prepared and always having discussions about where they need to go about modernising their C130s."

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/181358/lockheed-talks-f_16-sales%2C-upgrades-with-mid_east-forces.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 22/02/2017 | 16:53 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 22/02/2017 | 11:24 uur
Een gedachte / optie, welke ik op het internet tegenkwam, namelijk ;

EA-6B niet uitfaseren, maar gebruiken als long range bomber / missiletruck, waarbij de achterste 2 zitplaatsen worden vervangen door brandstof

Combat range: 2,818 nmi (3,243 mi; 5,219 km) => van een standaard A-6 Intruder
Hardpoints : 5 hardpoints with a capacity of 3,600 lb (1,600 kg) each (4 under wings, 1 under fuselage), 18,000 lb (8,200 kg) total,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_A-6_Intruder

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette1.wikia.nocookie.net%2Facecombat%2Fimages%2F8%2F8f%2FEA-6B_Prowler_Front.png%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20160121034238&hash=08932aafef3aec953b74471d432e7439e45d3e19)

Niet verstandig omdat je dan een sitting duck bent.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/02/2017 | 19:38 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 22/02/2017 | 16:53 uur
Niet verstandig omdat je dan een sitting duck bent.

De EA-18G Growler kan zich ten minste nog verdedigen. De Australische Growlers krijgen naast de AIM-120 ook de AIM-9X.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 22/02/2017 | 21:22 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 22/02/2017 | 16:37 uur
Lockheed Talks F-16 Sales and Upgrades with (Gulf) Region's Forces   ( ... F-16 vliegt nog wel even door .. )

...........
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/181358/lockheed-talks-f_16-sales%2C-upgrades-with-mid_east-forces.html
De F-16 vliegt nog wel 'even' door ja.  En dat heeft een reden.

US Air Force official cautions against increasing F-35 buy rate.

WASHINGTON — A sharp hike in the number of F-35As purchased in the near term could increase the overall price of the program, a US Air Force official warned Congress on Thursday.

Buying more F-35As over the next few years — while the program is still undergoing its development phase — could lead to higher than predicted retrofit costs in the early 2020s, when the Block 4 follow-on modernization program starts, said Maj. Gen. Jerry Harris, the Air Force's deputy chief of staff for strategic plans, programs and requirements.    ;)

"If we were to procure at higher than planned rates" over the next five years, "the Air Force would have to retrofit aircraft already delivered to the fleet with Block 4 hardware and software modifications," he said in written testimony delivered Thursday to the House Armed Services Committee.

"Once Block 4 delivers" beginning in 2021, "we should examine the option of accelerating the F-35A program above the current procurement rate to meet the 5th generation requirements necessary to balance the Air Force ability to fulfill national security objectives."   

The Air Force's current budget plans call for buying an average of 48 F-35As per year from fiscal years 2018 to 2022, Harris notes. The fiscal 2017 request, which projects estimated procurement until 2021, shows the service buying 60 jets in 2021.

That plan could drastically alter under the Trump administration, which has called for an expansion of the service's fighter force but also at times sharply criticized the joint strike fighter itself.

Top Air Force brass — including Air Force chief of staff Gen. David Goldfein and former Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James — have been circumspect with regards to a higher F-35 buy rate, stating that the need for additional combat air power will have to be weighed against the service's other requirements. However, other influential leaders, including outgoing Air Combat Command head Gen. Herbert "Hawk" Carlisle, have said the service should ramp up to 60 planes a year as quickly as possible.

Lt. Gen. Christopher Bogdan, the Pentagon's F-35 program executive officer, did not comment specifically on whether a faster procurement could increase program costs.

Rather, Bogdan said Harris' reluctance to increase the buy rate likely revolves around a planned upgrade of the aircraft's main computer processors during Block 4 modernization, which the program refers to as Tech Refresh 3, or TR3. That new equipment will enable greater software and weapons integration capability, but increasing F-35A procurement now could complicate the transition from TR2  to TR3.

"By the time we get TR3 in the field, we'll have hundreds of airplanes that are in the TR2 configuration," Bogdan said. "That means that those airplanes, until they get to TR 3, might not be able to add some of those future capabilities that are needed."

The Joint Program Office and services are working together on a retrofit plan that will spell out which Air Force and Marine Corps planes should be upgraded to TR3 first to enable operations and training, Bogdan said.   

One idea involves putting together a TR3 hardware kit that would allow maintainers to swap computing gear in the field rather than having to send those assets to the depot, something  Marine Corps aviation chief Lt. Gen. Jon Davis said he would like to avoid.

"How do we best do that?" he said. "What can we do at the local level to make those modifications so I don't have to mail it off someplace?"

The full suite of Block 4 modifications are still yet to be determined, but will include additional weapons and upgraded electronic warfare systems, radars and communications. The program office envisions starting upgrades in 2021 and adding new capabilities every two years.

In his testimony, Harris voiced concern that Congress had already started cutting funding for Block 4. Lawmakers had carved out about 60 percent of requested funds in fiscal 2016 and are on track to extract a similar amount in 2017, he wrote.

"I can't emphasize enough how important it is that we fully fund Block 4," he stated. "We are at a crucial stage where we must begin the developmental work to ensure we have these capabilities available to meet a 2025 need."

zie:  http://www.defensenews.com/articles/air-force-official-cautions-against-increasing-f-35-buy-rate-until-follow-on-modernization-starts
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 22/02/2017 | 23:19 uur
Nogmaals jullie weten mijn standpunt over de F-35('t voldoet nog steeds niet aan de eisen(wensen)die gesteld zijn aan 't begin van dit projekt,en blijft klauwen met geld kosten(zowel in blijvende ontwikkelingskosten als vlieguur kosten)

Achteraf gezien(is gemakkelijk,ik weet 't,alhoewel de experts in deze materie dit hadden moeten zien aankomen)hadden we dus bijvoorbeeld 1 squadron met deze toestellen moeten uitrusten(als "tussen oplossing"),de F-16 op de laatste upgrade zetten en dan wachten op 't volgende toestel(waar waarschijnlijk de lessen uit dit "debacle"meegenomen zijn,is te hopen)

Dat wil dus ook zeggen dat we 't aantal F-16's weer op 't bijna oorspronkelijke begin aantal  hadden gezet(wat we ooit hebben aangekocht)

Natuurlijk moet hierbij gezegd worden dat 't nodige geld ervoor beschikbaar moest zijn(alhoewel dat waarschijnlijk geen probleem was geweest,minder zeer dure F-35)

Maar is mijn conclusie achteraf. :-*

Ps,achteraf(moet ik erbij vermelden,gewoon beter de Gripen gekocht,als je dan toch wou vervangen/moderniseren,,maar maakte geen schijn van kans,immers er was al besloten voor de F-35 te gaan.)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/02/2017 | 23:33 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 22/02/2017 | 21:22 uur
De F-16 vliegt nog wel 'even' door ja.  En dat heeft een reden.


De block 52-60 gebruikers zullen 2030-35 vermoedelijk wel halen. Indien India voor de block 70 kiest dan zal het mij niet verbazen als sommige F16's in 2060 nog steeds rondvliegen, 86 jaar na de vlucht van het eerste prototype, wellicht zullen sommigen dan zelfs het eeuwfeest vieren.

Kiest India voor iets anders dan zal het doek natuurlijk aanzienlijk eerder vallen en kunnen we dan wellicht vaststellen dat de F16, als concept, de 60+ (jaar) ruimschoots heeft gehaald.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 23/02/2017 | 12:08 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 23/02/2017 | 08:09 uur
Is ook een stukje perceptie, de F35 is voor LM niet gefaald, maar extreem succesvol, er worden flinke winsten gemaakt en de omzet is voor decennia veilig gesteld.

Ik praatte dus voor de kant van de afnemers,dat LockMart er goed aan verdiend dat is iets wat zeker is(kip met gouden eieren op dit moment,voor de afnemers gewoon een (veel te)dure "vogel") :devil:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/02/2017 | 13:21 uur
Citaat van: walter leever op 23/02/2017 | 12:08 uur
Ik praatte dus voor de kant van de afnemers,dat LockMart er goed aan verdiend dat is iets wat zeker is(kip met gouden eieren op dit moment,voor de afnemers gewoon een (veel te)dure "vogel") :devil:

Nog even en deze vogel duikt onder de kale aanschafprijs van een Typhoon en Rafale en kruipt richting die van de Gripen E/F.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 23/02/2017 | 13:25 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/02/2017 | 13:21 uur
Nog even en deze vogel duikt onder de kale aanschafprijs van een Typhoon en Rafale en kruipt richting die van de Gripen E/F.

Laten we het hopen.
Als ook de het onderhoud per vlieguur wat omlaag kan.............................

Hopelijk kopen we er nog een squadron bij want 37?...............
(als het er al 37 worden)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/02/2017 | 17:38 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 23/02/2017 | 17:25 uur
Sure :-))

Een persbericht van vandaag spreekt over een zeer goed mogelijke daling van een instapper A model incl. motor tot 80 miljoen US dollar.... 

Dat er dan zo her en der wat kosten bijkomen is alom duidelijk, niet in de laatste plaats die belachelijke Nederlandse 21% btw.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/02/2017 | 18:08 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 23/02/2017 | 17:44 uur
Bericht van Lockheed Martin? Of van de Amerikaanse rekenkamer?

F-35 price expected to drop to about $80 million per plane by fiscal 2019

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/f-35-price-expected-to-drop-to-about-80-million-per-plane-by-fiscal-2019/article/2615020

Lockheed's F-35 Stealth Fighter Is Here to Stay

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-22/lockheed-s-f-35-stealth-fighter-is-here-to-stay

Lockheed F-35 jet cost could drop 16 percent: Pentagon official

http://www.oann.com/lockheed-f-35-jet-could-cost-as-little-as-80-million-in-future-pentagon-official/

Rekenkamer getallen zijn het niet waarbij ik weet dat deze aanzienlijk afwijken zoals ook Poleme regelmatig laat zien.

Het is wellicht tijd voor een aangepast lijstje van alle concurrenten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 23/02/2017 | 19:44 uur
Beste Jurrien ik woon in een leuk vrijstaand optrekje met zwarte Jaguar op de oprit.

Kom wij doen een weddenschap.  Als de prijs van de F-35A werkelijk daalt naar precies USD 80 miljoen in 2019. 
Dan is bovenstaande van jou.

Maar als de werkelijke F-35A prijs in 2019 tussen de USD 165 en 235 miljoen, of zelfs nog hoger, dan is jouw onroerend goed van mij.

Wedje ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/02/2017 | 19:51 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 23/02/2017 | 19:44 uur
Beste Jurrien ik woon in een leuk vrijstaand optrekje met zwarte Jaguar op de oprit.

Kom wij doen een weddenschap.  Als de prijs van de F-35A werkelijk daalt naar precies USD 80 miljoen in 2019. 
Dan is bovenstaande van jou.

Maar als de werkelijke F-35A prijs in 2019 tussen de USD 165 en 235 miljoen, of zelfs nog hoger, dan is jouw onroerend goed van mij.

Wedje ?

Nu ben ik niet vies van een gokje, maar deze durf ik door een gebrek aan inzicht niet aan. Al zou de A versie 80 mjn voor de Amerikanen gaan kosten, dan geldt dit alleen al vanwege de btw niet voor ons...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 23/02/2017 | 21:13 uur
De USD 80 miljoen betreft de fly-away prijs, dus als de kist uit de fabriek rolt.  Maar daar heb je helemaal niets aan, om te opereren met die F-35A moet je ook initiële opleidingen, simulatoren, speciale gereedschappen, een initiële voorraad reserve-onderdelen, documentatie etcetera aanschaffen.
Dan komen we uit op de systeem prijs en dan is het prijskaartje gelijk gestegen tot rond de USD 133 miljoen.
Lockheed Martin verklaarde vorig decennium zelf dat de kostprijs van de F-35 zich pas na 1.600 gebouwde exemplaren zal stabiliseren, want dan zou men maximaal van de leer-curve gaan profiteren.

De US Air Force koopt de F-35A exclusief ontwikkelingskosten per geleverde kist, want voor hun zijn dit zogenaamde "sunk costs".
Export klanten betalen die ontwikkelingskosten echter wel.  Dan komt er ruwweg ruim USD 30 miljoen bij = ca. USD 165 miljoen.
Hmmm, klinkt bekend he, want deze prijs werd ook als minimum prijs in de juridisch bindende Request For Information aan Noorwegen in april 2008 gemeld.
DE maximum prijs in de Noorse RFI bedroeg USD 235 miljoen.
Export klanten die op Foreign Military Sales (FMS) condities kopen betalen die ontwikkelingskosten niet gelijk met de aanschafprijs. 
Maar die worden wel uitgesmeerd in de Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul kosten.

Hebben we nou de totale prijs van een F-35A ?
Nee, je moet ook nog betalen voor de Follow-On Modernization (FoM), want je wilt toch geen nieuw jachtvliegtuig dat inferieur is aan de F-18 E/F block 2 of Rafale F2 / F3 ?
In 2009 stond daarvoor nog EUR 415 miljoen voor 37 F-35A's begroot, inmiddels specificeert MinDef deze kosten echter niet meer.
In 2009 stond ook nog EUR 246 miljoen begroot aan MLU block upgrades.
Resume 2009:
Modificatie / upgrading kosten =               EUR 415 miljoen / 37 = 11,22 miljoen per kist.
Mid Life Update kosten (block upgrades) = EUR 246 miljoen / 37 =  6,65 miljoen per kist.
Totale modificatie kosten in 30 jaar +        EUR 661 miljoen / 37 = 17,86 miljoen euro per F-35A.

In het exploitatie budget van eind 2015 staat:
Modificaties / upgrades toestellen gedurende hele levensduur (block upgrades) per jaar = EUR 20,7 x 30 jaren = EUR 621 miljoen / 37 = 16,78 miljoen euro per F-35A.
Er wordt geen aparte post "MLU kosten" meer vermeldt in 2015.

Het Pentagon stopt die FoM kosten als "sunk cost" in de grote berg aan JSF ontwikkelingskosten.  De GAO (Amerikaanse rekenkamer) is het daar niet mee eens, want boekhoudkundig horen dit soort kosten gewoon in de kostprijs thuis.  En het GAO kan zo ook niet meer de FoM en MLU planning en kosten verloop controleren.
Ons MinDef plaatst deze kosten evenmin in de kostprijs, maar voert ze ten onrechte op in de jaarlijkse exploitatiekosten. 

Circa USD 165 miljoen + ca. EUR 17 miljoen (heden USD 16,68 miljoen = afgerond USD 17 miljoen) = USD 182 miljoen exclusief 21 % BTW = USD 220 miljoen inclusief BTW.

Het GAO heeft er echt monniken werk aan om de werkelijke F-35 kostprijs te berekenen.  Want het Pentagon heeft er een handje van om niet alleen de motor en "long lead production items", maar tientallen andere onderdelen in aparte, voor buitenstaanders moeilijk te herleiden, contracten onder te brengen.  Dus ook in dit opzicht is de F-35 steels te noemen. 


De LightningII.

Donders !
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/02/2017 | 21:36 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 23/02/2017 | 21:13 uur
Circa USD 165 miljoen + ca. EUR 17 miljoen (heden USD 16,68 miljoen = afgerond USD 17 miljoen) = USD 182 miljoen exclusief 21 % BTW = USD 220 miljoen inclusief BTW.


Hoe staat dit cumulatieve getal van USD 220 miljoen (inmiddels) t.o.v. de Typhoon, Rafale, F18E en Gripen E?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/02/2017 | 15:41 uur
US$ Currency Fluctuations Are A Time Bomb for F-35 Financing

(Artikel gaat over de Deense kroon tov de Dollar in relatie met aankoop F-35  )

Large fluctuations in the dollar may well mean that the Danish fighter is far more expensive than the politicians have budgeted for and will absorb much of the extra money that especially the conservative parties have earmarked in the future Defence Budget.

As the parties behind the Defence Agreement on 9-June-2016 agreed to purchase 27 F-35 fighter aircraft, the financing proposal of the purchase of American fighter was based on an exchange rate of 6.25 Danish kroner.

The problem however is that the dollar has been down 12% in price against the Danish krone since January 2015. At present, the rate of about 7.0 Danish kroner to the dollar. This means that when Denmark later this year probably joins into a block buy of F-35 aircraft, at a price claimed to be of around 85 million dollars per unit, then the planes will not cost 531 million. Danish kroner, but around 596 million Danish kroner, if the current price holds -- a price increase of 12 percent. (In fact, while the "public" price will probably be over $100 million per aircraft, once incidentals, spares and enabling equipment are added it will no doubt work out to over $120 million per aircraft—Ed.)

As one source told nytkampfly.dk: ""This is a much bigger problem for Denmark than Trump's tweets on F-35". When all exceedances of the budget to purchasing combat aircraft have to be financed within the current defense budget, then the price increase due to exchange rate change will absorb much of the extra money for defense, which particularly the conservatives parties have requested for a new future defense plan.

The upcoming F-35 block buy will include aircraft for delivery in 2020, 2021 and 2022. As Denmark must have four aircraft in 2021 and six aircraft in 2022, the block buy purchases include 10 Danish aircraft. The first document which will be presented to the Parliamentary Finance Committee's board in December 2017 or January 2018 will only include these 10 aircraft.

The (budget) document will have to be based on the unit price Lockheed Martin and the Joint Program Office on behalf of the participants in the F-35 block buy may have negotiated and the current dollar exchange rate at the time the proposal is presented to the Finance Committee. The remaining 17 aircraft will be purchased in at least one later block buy, where the dollar can be increased or decreased again easily.

Essential is a passage in the agreement (of 2016): "Parties to the Agreement have agreed that prior to contracting for the last six aircraft, dependent on price a decision can be taken to purchase fewer aircraft, also when the first aircraft is delivered on time and at the expected price level". This means that there might be two future batches after the first batch of 10 aircraft: a second batch of 11 for delivery in 2023-2024 and a last batch of 6 aircraft for delivery in 2025-2026. So, there are two future batches with two times a risk (or chance) of changing price levels.

Ultimately this year we will become wiser about what the exact unit price is over the 10 Danish F-35 aircraft, we will learn more about what the dollar is expected to be at the crucial moment and we will learn more about the other expenses associated with the acquisition, whether these will be higher or lower than we had budgeted.

As a F-35 partnership country Lockheed Martin only makes public the "fly-away cost". This net price only includes aircraft airframe and engine. However, add to this weapon simulators, support equipment, spare parts, etc. to be acquired also. This all together will be the total contract price. Since many of the weapons and simulators and support equipment also must be purchased in the United States, then the high dollar will influence the total contract price negatively. In addition, the payment is likely to fall in several installments, when the additional 17 aircraft will be purchased.

Therefore, it cannot be ruled out that the politicians more than once have to find extra money within the defence budget to finalise the total F-35 combat aircraft purchase, simply because of price increases. Thus, there is a risk that a large part of the increase of the defense budget will be eaten up by currency fluctuations, and that during the conciliation period 2018-2022 other major investments will be blocked until the exact price is known for the purchases of combat aircraft in batch two and three - the aircraft to be delivered in 2023-2024 and 2025-2026. Most likely this will become clear in the future defense papers in about 2020-2022, and not before.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/181474/denmark%3A-usd-fluctuations-are-a-time-bomb-for-f_35-financing.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/02/2017 | 09:53 uur
ACC chief: New light-attack aircraft must address future threats

The US Air Force (USAF) is to soon consider buying new light-attack aircraft, but General Herbert Carlisle, head of Air Combat Command (ACC), warned that such a platform must be capable of operating in future, potentially more dangerous, environments.

The USAF plans to request a new exercise, to be bankrolled in a fiscal year 2017 (FY 2017) supplemental budget, which will explore potential light-attack solutions, General David Goldfein, USAF chief of staff, said on 23 February.

USAF officials have long considered a concept of fielding less expensive light-attack fighter aircraft for counter-insurgency and counter-terrorism operations, in part to preserve higher-end fighters for other roles.

http://www.janes.com/article/68250/acc-chief-new-light-attack-aircraft-must-address-future-threats
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/02/2017 | 15:58 uur
RAAF RECEIVES FIRST BOEING EA-18 GROWLERS (http://airheadsfly.com/2017/02/28/raaf-receives-first-ea-18-growlers/)

THE F-35 ARRIVES DOWN UNDER (http://airheadsfly.com/2017/02/27/the-f-35-arrives-down-under/)

Airheadsfly.com
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/02/2017 | 16:17 uur
Boeing Wins $679M for Seven EA-18G Growlers, Five F-18Es 

The Boeing Co., St. Louis, Missouri, is being awarded a $678,679,386 fixed-price, incentive-firm target contract for the procurement of seven Lot 40 EA-18G aircraft and associated airborne electronic attack kits and five F/A-18E aircraft.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/181516/boeing-wins-%24679m-for-seven-ea_18g-growlers%2C-five-f_18es.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/02/2017 | 16:20 uur
JSF wél op radar te zien

Een van de sterkste argumenten voor de Nederlandse luchtmacht om de JSF te kopen, was dat het vliegtuig onzichtbaar is voor radar. Dat argument geldt niet meer, nu een nieuw type radar het toestel al op grote afstand kan oppikken. Nog slechter nieuws, deze radar is ontwikkeld door de Chinezen; staatsmedia bevestigen het bestaan van het apparaat.

De technologie achter de nieuwe radar maakt gebruik van de kwantumtheorie. Het gaat om een bijzonder ingewikkeld en abstract gegeven, de kwantumverstrengeling. Dat is een fenomeen waarbij twee objecten, in dit geval fotonen, met elkaar worden verstrengeld. Ze gaan zich exact hetzelfde gedragen. Sterker nog, wat met de ene foton gebeurt, gebeurt ook met de ander.

Toestellen als de JSF zijn gecoat in een verf die radiostralen absorbeert. Een normale foton die door een radar op een JSF wordt afgeschoten, weerkaatst niet (wat het toestel zichtbaar zou maken voor de radar), maar verdwijnt in de absorberende laag. Bij een verstrengelde foton gebeurt dat ook, maar dat absorberen wordt ook opgepikt door de andere verstrengelde foton die in de radar achterblijft.

Door die achtergebleven foton goed te bestuderen, kun je zien dat de door de radar uitgezonden foton niet in de lucht is verdwenen, maar door de verflaag is geabsorbeerd. Vertaal je die informatie naar een computerscherm, dan verschijnt daar ineens een stipje: het toestel is waargenomen en kan eventueel uit de lucht worden geschoten.

De JSF is inmiddels tien jaar te laat en tientallen miljarden duurder dan aanvankelijk de bedoeling was. En nu heeft het ook geen tactisch overwicht meer. In een confrontatie met de Chinezen zou het net zo zichtbaar zijn op de radar als een F16 of elk ander toestel. Ook de apparatuur aan boord die radarsignalen moet verwarren door valse signalen uit te zenden, is waardeloos geworden door de nieuwe uitvinding.

President Trump heeft al aangekondigd dat hij de laatste prijsverhoging van de JSF niet wil betalen. De Chinezen lijken hem daar nu gelijk in te geven.

https://www.msn.com/nl-nl/nieuws/buitenland/jsf-w%c3%a9l-op-radar-te-zien/ar-AAnuaU6
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 28/02/2017 | 16:59 uur
Nederlandse radar kon dat ding toch ook al volgen? Amerikanen zullen het zelf ook wel kunnen de Israeliers ook, dus eigelijk kon iedereen dat ding al op de radar zien dus tjah.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 28/02/2017 | 17:25 uur
Alles is op radar te zien, maar hoe goed je het ziet heeft te maken met de reflectie (RCS).

Het maakt behoorlijk verschil of je een object als een voetbal of een knikker kunt zien, dus je detectie afstand word kleiner met naarmate de reflectie afneemt.

"Stealth" betekend dan ook niet "onzichtbaar" zoals vaak vals wordt aangenomen maar gewoon minder zichtbaar / detecteerbaar.

F35 is dan ook niet onzichtbaar maar minder detecteerbaar omdat door haar speciale ontwerp de weerkaatsbare vlakken zo klein mogelijk is gemaakt en een speciale coating ook nog eens de radar signalen absorbeert waardoor je veel minder reflectie hebt.

Maar natuurlijk ontwikkelt men ook betere radars dat ook bij veel minder reflectie nog goed kan detecteren, dus het zal altijd een kat en muis spel blijven met de ontwikkelingen en contra ontwikkelingen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 28/02/2017 | 17:44 uur
Alweer? Volgens mij is dit vorig jaar ook al eens de wereld ingeslingerd door de Chinese staatsmedia...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/02/2017 | 17:46 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 28/02/2017 | 17:25 uur
"Stealth" betekend dan ook niet "onzichtbaar" zoals vaak vals wordt aangenomen maar gewoon minder zichtbaar / detecteerbaar.

Complete volksstammen denken dat stealth onzichtbaar betekent. Dit idee krijg je maar moeilijk eruit.

In ieder geval weerhoudt het China niet om zelf stealth vliegtuigen te blijven ontwikkelen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/02/2017 | 18:11 uur
Stealth is niet het toverwoord, maar wel een belangrijk hulpmiddel
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 28/02/2017 | 19:08 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 28/02/2017 | 17:46 uur
Complete volksstammen denken dat stealth onzichtbaar betekent. Dit idee krijg je maar moeilijk eruit.

In ieder geval weerhoudt het China niet om zelf stealth vliegtuigen te blijven ontwikkelen.

In het geval van een LCF die  stealth is zie je geen Fregat van 6000 ton op de radar maar een vissersboot.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 28/02/2017 | 20:37 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 28/02/2017 | 16:20 uur
JSF wél op radar te zien

https://www.msn.com/nl-nl/nieuws/buitenland/jsf-w%c3%a9l-op-radar-te-zien/ar-AAnuaU6
Een niet steels vliegtuig zoals de F-16 heeft niet een constante radar reflectie.  Omdat het geen homogeen voorwerp is zoals een bol.
De variatie in reflectie, "radar glint" genoemd, bedraagt een factor 4 tot 8 (x grotere reflectie).  Gaat de Viper flink manouevreren, dan kan de glint gemakkelijk oplopen tot een factor 100.  Deze enorme schommeling in radar reflectie kan bij de signaal verwerker in een waarnemende radar ertoe leiden dat die signaalverwerker die enorme schommelende reflectie als een valse echo ziet en er hem uitfiltert en de hevig manouevrerende F-16 komt dan niet op het radarscherm.   Steelse / low observable vliegtuigen hebben zogenaamde nul-zones, waarin alle radar energie wordt gedeflecteert of geabsorbeerd.  En steelse vliegtuigen hebben smalle zones, waarin ze heel goed waarneembaar per radar zijn.  Dit zorgt voor een vele malen grotere glint dan bij een niet steelse kist en wordt dus door de signaal verwerker van de radar eruit gefiltert.
Bistatische of multistatische radars, waarbij diverse op verschillende plaatsen aanwezige radars direct met elkaar verbonden zijn.  En dus gedeflecteerde radarbundels wel kunnen opsporen en met elkaar kunnen vergelijken.  Het Zweedse STRID en het US Navy Cooperative Engagement Capability werken op deze manier.
Een andere volledig passieve dus steelse mogelijkheid is om gebruik te maken van de reflecties van de vele UHF en VHF radio en televisie signalen.  De Lockheed Martin Silent Sentry en Thales Nederland HA-100 maken hier gebruik van om op enkele honderden kilometers afstand een steels vliegtuig op te sporen.  Volgens de lieden van Thales reflecteerd de hard rock muziek van bijvoorbeeld Iron Maiden beter dan de muziek van zeg Marco Bosato.   'Running with the Devil,  yeah yeah'
Stealth / steelsheid draait dus o.a. om de signaal en data verwerker van een radar te misleiden via vormgeving (radar absorbing constructions) en in mindere mate door radar absorberende materialen (RAM).
Daarnaast zijn er nog actieve elektronische manieren om steelsheid tegen radars te verkrijgen, zoals bijvoorbeeld "actieve annulering".

Radar straling !  Ontwijken !
En een steels wapensysteem  a la F-22A Raptor en F-35A LightningII beschikt over een zeer goede Emitter Locator System (ELS).
De steelsheid zorgt ervoor dat de detectie afstanden door radars en radio peil apparatuur (aanzienlijk) verkleint worden.
Met de ELS weet je heel nauwkeurig de locatie en identiteit van (vijandelijke) radars vast te stellen, zodat je hun detectie 'bubble' weet te ontwijken.
Die ELS is ook weer heel praktisch om die vijandelijke radar kinetisch aan te grijpen.  Daar stuur je dan een Small Diameter Bomb op af met een bereik van 60 - 111 km.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 01/03/2017 | 14:45 uur
With aging jets and a shortage of pilots, the Air Force weighs buying throwback 'light-attack' planes

The U.S. Air Force, faced with a potentially protracted war against the Islamic State, aging fighter jets and a shrinking force of pilots, is examining the adoption of a new fleet of "light-attack" planes that are both a throwback to earlier U.S. operations and a current staple of militaries in South America and the Middle East.

The aircraft would be able to carry out airstrikes against the Islamic State and other militants for less money than the F-16 Fighting Falcon or the F/A-18 Super Hornet. Options available could include Embraer's A-29 Super Tucano propeller plane, which the United States has delivered to Afghanistan and other allies, and Beechcraft's AT-6, a version of which the U.S. military already uses in pilot training.

Air Force generals have discussed the proposal several times in recent weeks, saying that the planes could supplement existing aircraft, including drones, in regions where there is no enemy capable of shooting down U.S. planes. Gen. David L. Goldfein, the service's top officer, said the proposal is part of an ongoing dialogue that dates back years and could soon include an experiment in which private companies demonstrate what the planes can do.

"I'm not interested in something that requires a lot of research and development here," Goldfein said during a recent appearance at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "I'm looking for something that I can get at right now, commercial, off the shelf, low-cost, that can operate in an uncontested environment, that can deliver the capabilities that we need, that can also be something that perhaps our allies and partners that are in this fight with us" use.

Goldfein added: "If you assume this fight will be going on for a little bit of time, there is room and time for us to get after this."

The experiment will follow related efforts in Iraq and the United States. In the most recent, U.S. Central Command deployed two Vietnam-era, twin-engine OV-10G Broncos on loan from NASA to Iraq in 2015, flying them in missions against the Islamic State to assess how light-attack planes might help in the air war.

The experiment was described by Navy Capt. Andy Walton in an article last year in Proceedings Magazine, a publication of the U.S. Naval Institute. He detailed one mission over Iraq in an OV-10G in which he and a colleague observed militants for hours as they traveled down the Tigris River in canoes, and then fired on them with laser-guided rockets.

The use of the planes was the latest step in a program called Combat Dragon II, which dates back nearly a decade and involves Special Operations Command. Goldfein cited it recently, noting that some testing was carried out when he was the commander of Air Forces Central Command from August 2011 to July 2013. One of his bosses at the time was Marine Gen. Jim Mattis, now defense secretary, who supported the program as chief of U.S. Central Command.

The Air Force published a paper in 2008 that identified the need for a plane that could carry out both attacks and aerial observation. It called the plane "OA-X" and said continued reliance on other aircraft, ranging from the B-1 bomber to the F-16, at "rates that are much higher than planned and programmed" would wear them out.

The Air Force, the paper said, "faces a critical gap in its ability to conduct air support for extended periods in the Long War," a reference to counterterrorism and counterinsurgency operations worldwide. It recommended that the aircraft should have an armored protection for the crew and engine, missile warnings and countermeasures, among other features.

Air Force officials estimate that the cost of flying a propeller plane like the A-29 or AT-6 would be a few thousand dollars per hour. In comparison, it costs about $18,000 per hour to fly the A-10 attack jet.
Other hourly costs are:
$19,000 for the F-16;
$24,000 for the F-15E;
$42,000 for the F-35A;
$44,000 for the AC-130J;
$62,000 for the F-22A;
$63,000 for the B-52;
$77,000 for the B-1B; and
$120,000 for the B-2, according to service statistics.

The light-attack effort has new momentum in part because one of its chief critics in Congress, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, has shifted his opinion on the U.S. military experimenting with the aircraft. In 2011, he criticized research the Navy wanted to do for Combat Dragon as unnecessary because of the existence of the A-10, the slow-moving jet that has long carried out close-air support for U.S. troops in combat. At the time, light-attack planes were seen as a potential replacement for at least some A-10s, which McCain has long championed.

However, the service, which once said it would retire all 283 snub-nose "Warthogs" to save an estimated $4.2 billion, now plans to keep them because of their utility in the fight against the Islamic State. McCain said in a recent report titled "Restoring American Power" that the Air Force should not only keep its A-10s but also buy 300 "low-cost, light-attack fighters that would require minimal work to develop." The planes could carry out counterterrorism operations, perform close-air support and help to season pilots as the Air Force addresses its pilot shortfall, the report said.

The shortfall has become an increasing problem as pilots leave the military at a rate that Goldfein and then-Air Force Secretary Deborah James declared a crisis last summer. Data released to The Washington Post showed there were about 723 fighter pilot vacancies in the service among 3,495 jobs, leaving 21 percent unfilled.

The Air Force has attributed the shortage to recruiting by the commercial airline industry; frequent deployments keeping pilots away from their families; and a reduction in stateside training amid budget constraints. It says it sees the new light-attack plane as an inexpensive way to get entry-level military pilots into planes as quickly as possible.

"When they end their commitment at the end of 10 years, we're losing a lot of them to the airlines," said an Air Force official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive personnel matter. "Just to keep up ... you have to match that exit every year in the production and seasoning of pilots. You've got to have cockpits for those pilots to go to to get that experience and seasoning after you do initial training."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/02/28/with-aging-jets-and-a-shortage-of-pilots-the-air-force-weighs-buying-throwback-light-attack-planes/?utm_term=.d23545133721
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/03/2017 | 15:21 uur
THE ARRIVAL OF THE F-35C FOR THE CARRIER FLEET (http://www.sldinfo.com/the-arrival-of-the-f-35c-for-the-carrier-fleet/)

Sldinfo.com
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 01/03/2017 | 16:53 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 28/02/2017 | 20:37 uur
Een niet steels vliegtuig zoals de F-16 heeft niet een constante radar reflectie.  Omdat het geen homogeen voorwerp is zoals een bol.
De variatie in reflectie, "radar glint" genoemd, bedraagt een factor 4 tot 8 (x grotere reflectie).  Gaat de Viper flink manouevreren, dan kan de glint gemakkelijk oplopen tot een factor 100.  Deze enorme schommeling in radar reflectie kan bij de signaal verwerker in een waarnemende radar ertoe leiden dat die signaalverwerker die enorme schommelende reflectie als een valse echo ziet en er hem uitfiltert en de hevig manouevrerende F-16 komt dan niet op het radarscherm.   Steelse / low observable vliegtuigen hebben zogenaamde nul-zones, waarin alle radar energie wordt gedeflecteert of geabsorbeerd.  En steelse vliegtuigen hebben smalle zones, waarin ze heel goed waarneembaar per radar zijn.  Dit zorgt voor een vele malen grotere glint dan bij een niet steelse kist en wordt dus door de signaal verwerker van de radar eruit gefiltert.

Onzin. Het enige effect wat op kan treden met glint en of scintillation is dat het doel op de verkeerde positie wordt gepresenteerd en zelfs dat is een zeldzaamheid... Eruit gefilterd worden gaat nooit gebeuren, zo wel dan mag de fabrikant terug naar de tekentafel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 02/03/2017 | 21:29 uur
VK SARASWAT COMES DOWN ON NAVY SELECTING GRIPPEN FOR LCA NAVY

Hitting hard on the latest decision of the Indian Navy seeking to acquire 57 Gripen aircraft instead of the Naval variant of the indigenously grown Light Combat aircraft Tejas,Niti Ayog member and former head of DRDO, Dr. VK Saraswat today said lack of information had led to this foreign acquisition proposal.

Speaking at the inaugural function of the three-day international symposium connected with Aero India, Dr Saraswat said that the Mark II version of LCA and the Gripen carry the same engine and the same thrust power. ''It defied logic and people were less informed'' he said regretting the Naval choice for Gripen.''All kind of bad mouthing is hurled on us'' he said. Indian Navy had recently rejected LCA Naval variant and opted to go in for 57 Gripen aircraft for its air operations.

He said though countries speak about free market economy, when coming to transfer of technology some countries are selective. ''Even though we had signed the MTCR agreement, we will still be hit by technology denial by some countries which do not want India to get the latest technology''.

Dr Saraswat referring to the technological advances the country had made said that the time has come for India to collaborate strongly with the private sector which should also enhance its research and development spending. Only such collaborations would help India to get the latest technology well in time and with rightsize of investment.

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2017/02/vk-saraswat-comes-down-on-navy.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/03/2017 | 12:45 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 02/03/2017 | 21:29 uur
VK SARASWAT COMES DOWN ON NAVY SELECTING GRIPPEN FOR LCA NAVY

Hitting hard on the latest decision of the Indian Navy seeking to acquire 57 Gripen aircraft instead of the Naval variant of the indigenously grown Light Combat aircraft Tejas,Niti Ayog member and former head of DRDO, Dr. VK Saraswat today said lack of information had led to this foreign acquisition proposal.

.../...

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2017/02/vk-saraswat-comes-down-on-navy.html

Wat een vreemde keuze. Kan het mij ook niet voorstellen dat deze Gripen variant zonder extra aanpassingen en/of kosten vanaf een STOBAR vliegkampschip wordt ingezet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 03/03/2017 | 12:57 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 03/03/2017 | 12:45 uur
Wat een vreemde keuze. Kan het mij ook niet voorstellen dat deze Gripen variant zonder extra aanpassingen en/of kosten vanaf een STOBAR vliegkampschip wordt ingezet.

Antwoord op jou vraag.

Saab has long considered the potential for its Gripen fighter to be adapted for maritime use from STOBAR and CATOBAR aircraft carriers.

http://saab.com/th/region/india/about-saab/stories/saab-india-stories/2013/saab-sea-gripen--the-future-of-carrier-borne-air-power/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/03/2017 | 13:10 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 03/03/2017 | 12:57 uur
Antwoord op jou vraag.

Saab has long considered the potential for its Gripen fighter to be adapted for maritime use from STOBAR and CATOBAR aircraft carriers.

http://saab.com/th/region/india/about-saab/stories/saab-india-stories/2013/saab-sea-gripen--the-future-of-carrier-borne-air-power/

Thanks. Zien of India ooit terug gaat naar CATOBAR.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 03/03/2017 | 13:30 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 03/03/2017 | 13:10 uur
Thanks. Zien of India ooit terug gaat naar CATOBAR.
De 3e beoogde Indiase carrier wordt een CATOBAR*. In die zin volgen ze dezelfde lijn als China. Eerst 2 STOBAR carriers en dan CATOBAR. Een aangepaste Gripen zou met beiden uit de voeten kunnen. Van zichzelf al stevig, maar een marine-versie is reeds door een speciaal daarvoor opgezet onderzoeksteam uitgewerkt en onderzocht.

* PS. Ik lees net dat CATOBAR voor de 3e grotere beoogde carrier nog steeds een optie is die men onderzoekt en overweegt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vishal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/03/2017 | 17:55 uur
Air Force leaders confirm light attack aircraft demo to take off this summer

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/air-force-leaders-confirm-light-attack-aircraft-demo-to-take-off-this-summer
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 05/03/2017 | 13:04 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 05/03/2017 | 13:19 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 05/03/2017 | 18:27 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 01/03/2017 | 16:53 uur
Onzin. Het enige effect wat op kan treden met glint en of scintillation is dat het doel op de verkeerde positie wordt gepresenteerd en zelfs dat is een zeldzaamheid... Eruit gefilterd worden gaat nooit gebeuren, zo wel dan mag de fabrikant terug naar de tekentafel.
Huh ?  Jachtvliegers wordt geleerd dat (zeer) scherpe manoeuvres een "glint spike" kunnen veroorzaken.  De reflectie schommelingen die normaal een factor van 4 - 8 hebben, schommelen dan met een factor van 100 of hoger.  De radar filter gooit die enorme glint (ruis) spike's er dan toch echt uit.

Geloof je dat niet.  Vraag dan maar eens aan Thales Nederland medewerkers, die betrokken zijn bij de Field Trials van het Multi Missie Radar bul.
Ze zijn in ieder geval tot eind deze maand daar mee bezig.   ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 05/03/2017 | 19:02 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 05/03/2017 | 18:27 uur
Huh ?  Jachtvliegers wordt geleerd dat (zeer) scherpe manoeuvres een "glint spike" kunnen veroorzaken.  De reflectie schommelingen die normaal een factor van 4 - 8 hebben, schommelen dan met een factor van 100 of hoger.  De radar filter gooit die enorme glint (ruis) spike's er dan toch echt uit.

Geloof je dat niet.  Vraag dan maar eens aan Thales Nederland medewerkers, die betrokken zijn bij de Field Trials van het Multi Missie Radar bul.
Ze zijn in ieder geval tot eind deze maand daar mee bezig.   ;)

Wat jachtvliegers geleerd wordt staat wel vaker haaks op de uiteindelijke praktijk die je ziet op je scope weet ik uit ervaring. Zolang de vlieger geen manoeuvres maakt die te vergelijken zijn met een volgas roterende propeller (dat soort G krachten moet je dan aan denken mbt die manoeuvres) wordt er niks uitgefilterd. Daarbij zal het maar een heel kort moment zijn dat er een factor 100 of hoger teruggekaatst wordt (zeker niet blijvend) en heb je het toestel de volgende zoekslag gewoon weer op de juiste plaats op de scope. Het doel wordt er echt niet permanent uitgefilterd.

En ik weet genoeg van de MMR aangezien dat ons apparaat gaat worden en we behoorlijk nauw bij dat project betrokken zijn.


Doppler nul vliegen was ook zo'n ei van Columbus van de jachtvliegers in het verleden, ze vergaten even dat er altijd meer radars staan en dat eenmaal in track die truc niet meer werkt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 05/03/2017 | 19:07 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 05/03/2017 | 19:02 uur
En ik weet genoeg van de MMR aangezien dat ons apparaat gaat worden.
Ssst das nog niet officieel hé.

Ben benieuwd wat ze allemaal af gaan schieten op 't harde.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 06/03/2017 | 10:08 uur
The U.S. Military Finally Wants To Buy A Plane For Right Now

The United States Air Force is calling on the defense industry to build a light attack aircraft on the cheap to fight all the counter-insurgency wars it seems to actually be fighting over the past 20 years. It's a sea change from over three decades of procurement strategy, and it might just work.

.../...

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-u-s-military-finally-wants-to-buy-a-plane-for-righ-1792951592
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/03/2017 | 08:40 uur
Lightning Grounds F-35 in Australia As Promised Fix Not Implemented  (  oeps ...  :hrmph: :mad:  )

The Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) on Saturday grounded two Lockheed F-35A Lightning II fighters attending the Avalon air show because of thunderstorms, preventing them from flying on the shows' last day and delaying their return flight to the United States for 24 hours.

"It is well documented that the F-35A aircraft requires modifications for lightning protection and these modifications have not yet been completed on the two visiting Australian aircraft," the RAAF said in a March 4 statement posted on its website.

The grounding is as significant as it is unexpected because it shows the F-35 remains vulnerable to lightning two years after the program executive told Congress the issue was fixed.

During an April 16, 2015 hearing, Lt Gen. Christopher Bogdan, the head of the F-35 Joint Program Office, told the House Armed Services Committee that "We had a problem with lightning.....We were having a problem qualifying the airplane to fly in lightning, (but) that problem is basically behind us."

That is clearly not the case, as the Royal Australian Air Force makes clear: "As safety is Air Force's priority, the aircraft will not fly in conditions where lightning is present."

The JPO has not responded to a request for comment e-mailed on Sunday.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/feature/181666/f_35-grounded-by-lightning-in-australia-as-promised-fix-not-implemented.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/03/2017 | 16:14 uur
F-18, Rafale or Gripen: Indian Navy Looks for Its Next Fighter Jet

NEW DELHI --- The Indian Navy has launched a global search for maritime fighter jets it plans to operate from future aircraft carriers and is awaiting response from top military contractors on what they have to offer.

The navy wants 57 multi-role carrier-borne fighters (MRCBF) and the potential order could get bigger with an option clause to buy more jets. The hunt for new deck-based fighters comes at a time when the navy is left with just a solitary aircraft carrier, INS Vikramaditya, following the decommissioning of Viraat on Monday.

The navy issued a request for information for the multi-billion dollar MRCBF project in January, giving aircraft manufacturers a four-month deadline to respond.

By May, the foreign firms have to answer queries on technical parameters, budgetary estimates, likely level of indigenisation, transfer of technology and schedule of deliveries after a contract is inked.

French, Swedish, Russian and American firms are likely to compete for the project to equip India's future carriers: Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC)-I or Vikrant being built at Kochi and IAC-2, which is in a conceptual stage.

The navy has rejected the naval version of the light combat aircraft. It wants a twin-engine fighter with a stronger airframe and landing gear to operate from a flight deck with high-tempo flying cycles.

RAFALE M:

French aircraft maker Dassault Aviation will compete for the MRCBF programme with the Rafale M fighter. These fighters are embarked on French Navy's nuclear-powered aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle.

India signed a $8.7-billion deal with France last year for 36 Rafale warplanes for the Indian Air Force. Dassault is hoping the IAF order could give it a head start. The firm believes it makes better sense to equip the IAF and the navy with the same platform as it would translate into better logistics, maintenance and industrial support.

GRIPEN MARITIME:

Swedish aircraft maker Saab will throw its hat into to the ring with its Gripen Maritime fighter. Saab says the maritime fighter has "95% commonality" with the Gripen E.

The Swedish firm is closely tracking an IAF programme to build single-engine fighters in the country. Saab says the maritime fighter features all the capabilities of the Gripen E and will come with a highly competitive operational cost per flight hour.

Low maintenance requirements and high availability for operations make it an ideal solution for the Indian Navy, a Saab spokesperson said.

F-18 SUPER HORNET:

US defence giant Boeing's F-18 fighter jet is also expected to be a strong contender for the Indian Navy project. The F-18s operate from American super carriers such as USS Nimitz and USS Ronald Reagan, with the US Navy accounting for a fleet of more than 600 Super Hornets.

The American firm is also in discussions with the IAF to set up a production line in the country to build twin-engine fighter planes.

The US has offered its electromagnetic aircraft launch system (EMALS) technology and advanced arresting gear for IAC-2 or Vishal. India and the US have formed a joint working group on aircraft carrier technology cooperation.

MiG-29K:

Russia will be eyeing the project with the MiG-29 fighter jet, already in service with the Indian Navy. The deck-based fighter operates from INS Vikramaditya, a second-hand carrier bought from Russia.

The navy commissioned its first squadron of MiG-29K fighters at Goa in May 2013, ahead of the induction of INS Vikramaditya.

It also plans to deploy the fighters on the IAC-1 having placed separate orders for 45 MiG-29K fighters.

However, a 2016 report by the Comptroller and Auditor General revealed the MiG-29 fighters are plagued by engine troubles and airframe problems.

(EDITOR'S NOTE: France's Dassault fancies its chances of winning the Indian navy fighter competition, not only because the it has already sold 36 Rafales to the Indian Air Force but also because the Rafale-M naval fighter is the only competitor designed from the start for carrier operations.
"Rafale is the smallest carrier-capable fighter, and it could operate today from India's aircraft carrier," Dassault Aviation CEO Eric Trappier told reporters in Paris March 8, as the payload penalty due to the ship's lack of catapults can be compensated through buddy-refueling after takeoff – a capability Rafale already has.
Finally, he noted that "Indian pilots have already had a taste of Rafale, and they will want more.")


http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/181776/indian-navy-looks-for-its-next-fighter-jet.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 08/03/2017 | 19:19 uur
Dat word denk ik de rafale M of de MiG-29K.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/03/2017 | 19:42 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 08/03/2017 | 19:19 uur
Dat word denk ik de rafale M of de MiG-29K.

Ik sluit de Gripen M nu nog niet uit, bedenk dat India nog een keuze gaat maken tussen 200-250 home made één pitters.  De competitie bestaat uit F16C/D block 70 en Gripen E/F.

Valt de Gripen E/F af, dan valt ook het doek definitief voor de Gripen M a.k.a. Sea Gripen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/03/2017 | 20:14 uur
Er wordt al nagedacht over de Rafale F4 standaard (2023-2024).

Dassault bullish on Rafale's long-term prospects (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/dassault-bullish-on-rafales-long-term-prospects-434951/)

Flightglobal.com
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 08/03/2017 | 21:14 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/03/2017 | 20:14 uur
Er wordt al nagedacht over de Rafale F4 standaard (2023-2024).

Dassault bullish on Rafale's long-term prospects (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/dassault-bullish-on-rafales-long-term-prospects-434951/)

Flightglobal.com
De F4 variant, daar dacht de KLu in de kandidaten vergelijking van 2001 ook al aan.

De toen 'grotendeels papieren' Rafale F4 scoorde toen 10% minder punten dan de toenmalige 'papieren JSF'.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/03/2017 | 10:12 uur
Israel will likely buy a squadron of F-15s   ( .... in de lijn der verwachting ... productielijn van de F-15 blijft nog even draaien)

Israel is likely to place an order with Boeing for a squadron of F-15s and these jets will be more advance than those sold to Saudi Arabia and Qatar, Globes has reported.

Funding for the fighters will be from the U.S. military aid that is provided to Israel every year.

http://alert5.com/2017/03/10/israel-will-likely-buy-a-squadron-of-f-15s/

For a long time, the air force has wanted to replace its F-15s, manufactured by Boeing, with a better version of the aircraft equipped with an advanced active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar system. This aircraft does not have stealth capabilities, but it can carry larger payloads, has advanced attack capabilities, and is operated by a two-man crew, which is an advantage in complex missions. The twin-engine warplane can continue operating even when one of the engines is disabled.

The new F-15s cost $100 million a plane. They are more advanced than the F-15s purchased from the US by Saudi Arabia and Qatar in recent years. Israel insisted that the US refrain from selling the new version to Qatar in order to maintain the Israeli air force's superiority in the Middle East, but former President Barack Obama disagreed, saying that Qatar felt threatened by Iran, and approved the sale of 72 of the aircraft just before he left office.

Since it first flew 40 years ago, the F-15 has undergone upgrades and facelifts. It is classified as a "strategic bomber."

Former senior air force officers explained that the assessment of the new F-15s is based on the belief that the IDF cannot rely on only one type of plane. Commenting on the F-15's lack of stealth capability, the air force veterans said, "Most of today's armaments are fired at the target from a range of tens of miles."

During Moshe Ya'alon's term as Minister of Defense, the defense establishment consensus was that new F-15s were needed. Over the past year, the air force considered the procurement of 75 F-15s, but postponed the decision.

After cabinet approval is obtained for replacing two battle squadrons, a decision will be made between replacing them with F-35s or F-15s. The cabinet decision authorizing procurement of the last 17 F-35s purchased stated that the next procurement program presented by the air force would also present specifications for the F-15, not just the F-35.


http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-idf-mulls-major-fighter-jet-helicopter-deals-1001180035
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/03/2017 | 11:58 uur
China's J-20 set to receive indigenous engine

13 March, 2017 | Source: Flightglobal.com | By: Greg Waldron | Singapore

China is nearing the use of an indigenous powerplant for the Chengdu J-20 fighter aircraft, although mass production of key engine technologies is a challenge.

A report in the official China Daily newspaper quotes an official of Aero Engine Corporation of China, Chen Xiangbao, as saying that "it will not take a long time for our fifth generation combat plane to have China-made engines."

His comments on progress are somewhat contradictory, however.

Chen says China has produced single-crystal turbine blades and powder metallurgy superalloy turbine disks. Both technologies allow fighter engines to operate at extreme temperatures.


He adds that mass production is still an issue, and that "quality is not very satisfactory."

The J-20 is shrouded in secrecy, as are China's efforts to develop modern fighter engines. It is well known that Beijing perceives the lack of aircraft engine know-how as a major issue.

"The road to success is filled with setbacks and failures," says Chen. "Each of the world's engine powers has walked this road."

Early versions of the J-20, which first flew in late 2010, are apparently powered by an unknown version of the Russian-produced Saturn AL-31F.

The J-20 indigenous powerplant to which Chen refers could be the WS-15, a 30,000lb (133kN) thrust engine in development since the 1990s, and about which little is known.

Chinese state media recently reported that the J-20 has entered People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) service in small numbers. The type made its public debut last year at Airshow China in Zhuhai.

The display saw two aircraft fly down the runway at several hundred feet and perform a vertical split. One aircraft then departed, while its partner performed a few high-g turns followed by a high-speed climb out to conclude the performance.

The aircraft was agile enough for its large size, but stayed within a fairly basic envelope. Neither aircraft conducted a low-speed, high angle of attack pass, nor opened its weapons bays.

Little is known about the J-20's sensor suite, datalink capabilities, and payload.

The jet's large size and lack of thrust vectoring, however, suggest it lacks the manoeuvrability of US fifth generation fighter, the Lockheed Martin F-22. This has led some observers to speculate that one mission is the long-range, high-speed interdiction of pivotal enemy support assets, such as air-to-air refuelling tankers and airborne early warning & control (AEW&C) aircraft.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/chinas-j-20-set-to-receive-indigenous-engine-435075/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 14/03/2017 | 08:14 uur
Bulgaria received three bids for its MiG-29 replacement competition  (  Het gaat om totaal 8 toestellen )

Bulgaria's Defense Ministry on Monday unveiled three bids from Italy, Sweden and Portugal for the country's MiG-29 replacement competition.

Only Sweden is offering a new jet with its Gripen package. Italy plans to sell its Eurofighters while Portugal is offering its F-16 along with a logistical package from the United States.

Bulgaria has a requirement for eight fighters.

http://alert5.com/2017/03/14/bulgaria-received-three-bids-for-its-mig-29-replacement-competition/#more-61570
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/03/2017 | 11:21 uur
Canada sends letter of request to US for interim F/A-18s (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/canada-sends-letter-of-request-to-us-for-interim-fa-435167/) (18 toestellen)

Flightglobal.com

Romania looks to buy 20 more F-16s (http://www.janes.com/article/68702/romania-looks-to-buy-20-more-f-16s)

BAE Systems set to begin Brimstone firing trials with Typhoon (http://www.janes.com/article/68710/bae-systems-set-to-begin-brimstone-firing-trials-with-typhoon)

Janes.com
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/03/2017 | 15:13 uur
Saab shifts Gripen M focus from Brazil to India (http://www.janes.com/article/68734/saab-shifts-gripen-m-focus-from-brazil-to-india)

Janes.com

Gripen E on target for debut flight in second quarter (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/gripen-e-on-target-for-debut-flight-in-second-quarte-435184/)

Flightglobal.com
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/03/2017 | 15:58 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 15/03/2017 | 15:13 uur
Saab shifts Gripen M focus from Brazil to India (http://www.janes.com/article/68734/saab-shifts-gripen-m-focus-from-brazil-to-india)


Enigste en tevens laatste kans voor de Gripen M
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 15/03/2017 | 16:09 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/03/2017 | 15:58 uur
Enigste en tevens laatste kans voor de Gripen M

Volgens VVD kamerlid Han Ten broeke in 2008 zou de Gipen NG (E) er nooit komen maar hij had niet op Brazilie gerekend die 36 Gripens bestelde.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/03/2017 | 16:43 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 15/03/2017 | 16:09 uur
Volgens VVD kamerlid Han Ten broeke in 2008 zou de Gipen NG (E) er nooit komen maar hij had niet op Brazilie gerekend die 36 Gripens bestelde.

Noem een land met carrier (inspiratie) waarvoor de Gripen M (voor het einde van de Gripen E.F productielijn) in aanmerking zou kunnen komen...

Ook Saab is geen sociale werkplaats.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 15/03/2017 | 16:45 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/03/2017 | 16:43 uur
Noem een land met carrier (inspiratie) waarvoor de Gripen M (voor het einde van de Gripen E.F productielijn) in aanmerking zou kunnen komen...

Ook Saab is geen sociale werkplaats.

Thailand heeft ook interesse in de Gripen M.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/03/2017 | 16:55 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 15/03/2017 | 16:45 uur
Thailand heeft ook interesse in de Gripen M.

Dan zal dat hooguit voor een reeds ontwikkelde Gripen M zijn, voor een handjevol kan je het simpelweg vergeten.

Met een handjevol wordt de M duurder dan de F35B
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 15/03/2017 | 17:05 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/03/2017 | 16:55 uur
Met een handjevol wordt de M duurder dan de F35B

Waar baseer je dat op? Het airframe van de Gripen M wijkt nauwelijks af dan dat van de reguliere Gripen. De grootste verandering zit in het versterkte landingsgestel en 'accessoires' als de tail hook.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 15/03/2017 | 17:11 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 15/03/2017 | 17:05 uur
Waar baseer je dat op? Het airframe van de Gripen M wijkt nauwelijks af dan dat van de reguliere Gripen. De grootste verandering zit in het versterkte landingsgestel en 'accessoires' als de tail hook.

+1
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 15/03/2017 | 17:13 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 15/03/2017 | 17:05 uur
Waar baseer je dat op? Het airframe van de Gripen M wijkt nauwelijks af dan dat van de reguliere Gripen. De grootste verandering zit in het versterkte landingsgestel en 'accessoires' als de tail hook.

Ik schat dat Gripen M tussen de $10 en $25 miljoen duurder zal zijn dan een Gripen E en dat is nog altijd goedkoper dan een F35B.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/03/2017 | 17:15 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 15/03/2017 | 16:45 uur
Thailand heeft ook interesse in de Gripen M.

Waarom de Gripen M en niet de Gripen E? Overigens probeert Saab Thailand te interesseren voor de MS20 update voor hun Gripen C/D.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 15/03/2017 | 17:18 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 15/03/2017 | 17:15 uur
Waarom de Gripen M en niet de Gripen E? Overigens probeert Saab Thailand te interesseren voor de MS20 update voor hun Gripen C/D.

Geen idee staat zo op internet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/03/2017 | 17:31 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 15/03/2017 | 17:13 uur
Ik schat dat Gripen M tussen de $10 en $25 miljoen duurder zal zijn dan een Gripen E en dat is nog altijd goedkoper dan een F35B.

Voor een handvol M's.... ?

Blijf voorlopig maar weg van een schatting immers ook hiervoor geldt: aantal.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 15/03/2017 | 17:42 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/03/2017 | 17:31 uur
Voor een handvol M's.... ?

Blijf voorlopig maar weg van een schatting immers ook hiervoor geldt: aantal.

Verschil tussen jou en mij dat bij jou is dat het glas half leeg betreft de Saab Gripen en bij mij het het glas halfvol is.
Altijd negatief over de Gripen hierover maar de F35 die niet geschikt is voor een dogfight dat vindt jij een superkist.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 15/03/2017 | 17:56 uur
Aantallen mogen dan wel interessant zijn, maar je weet nooit waarmee de Zweden/Indiers mee afkomen.
Het lijkt er idd op dat er een zeer grote "commonality" zou zijn tussen de E en de M.
Laat ze het toch waarmaken.

Ik gun het de Zweden. En dan vooral omdat 'we' in het Westen ons allemaal lopen te vergapen op een kist die maar weinig van zijn verwachte specificaties waar maakt.
En er bakken geld zullen aan uitgeven tijdens de levensloop ervan.

't Zou alleszins wel eens zeer verfrissend kunnen werken in de luchtvaartindustrie...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/03/2017 | 18:26 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 15/03/2017 | 17:42 uur
Verschil tussen jou en mij dat bij jou is dat het glas half leeg betreft de Saab Gripen en bij mij het het glas halfvol is.
Altijd negatief over de Gripen hierover maar de F35 die niet geschikt is voor een dogfight dat vindt jij een superkist.

Dan heb je niet goed opgelet.

Ik vind de Gripen een prima interim kist voor een jaar of twintig.
Ik zou graag een high/low mix zien voor de KLu (F35A/Gripen E)

En idd ik denk dat de Gripen geen goede toekomst heeft, het aantal is simpelweg te klein, dat heeft niets met een half vol dan we leeg glas te maken.

De doorontwikkelingskosten voor de M komen simpelweg boven op de kosten van de E, en die laatste gaat als ik mij niet vergis al naar de 70 mjn euro.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/03/2017 | 18:31 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 15/03/2017 | 17:56 uur
Aantallen mogen dan wel interessant zijn, maar je weet nooit waarmee de Zweden/Indiers mee afkomen.
Het lijkt er idd op dat er een zeer grote "commonality" zou zijn tussen de E en de M.
Laat ze het toch waarmaken.

Ik gun het de Zweden. En dan vooral omdat 'we' in het Westen ons allemaal lopen te vergapen op een kist die maar weinig van zijn verwachte specificaties waar maakt.
En er bakken geld zullen aan uitgeven tijdens de levensloop ervan.

't Zou alleszins wel eens zeer verfrissend kunnen werken in de luchtvaartindustrie...

Mijn voorkeur voor de Indiase order voor 200+ één pitters (made in india) ligt bij de Gripen en niet bij de F16C/D block 70.

Indien men kiest voor de F16 variant, dan is m.i. de kans op een Gripen M wel marginaal klein geworden (57  stuks), kiest men voor de Gripen E/F, dan zie ik alle kansen voor de Gripen M.

Ik zou on dit geval zeker kiezen voor beide Zweedse oplossingen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 15/03/2017 | 21:26 uur
Die INdiers zijn een raar volkje. Ze willen vanalles zelf maken, maar ze slagen daarin  nauwelijks.
Alles wat ze tot op heden 'aanraken' is eigenlijk afgelopen op een sisser of is middelmatige meuk die ze van de plank hadden kunnen kopen.
Zo losjes uit de pols is er maar een product geslaagd, en dat is de Brahmos.

De deals die ze sluiten met buitenlandse leveranciers/producenten lopen veelal op de klippen. Je zou haast niet willen samenwerken met hen.
Ik vind het een wonder dat Dassault nog wil meedingen na hun ervaringen voor de Rafale.
(en ik heb zelf ook ervaring opgedaan in het werken met Indiers voor verschillende jobs in de UK - ik moet ze niet. Privé zijn ze interessant, anders, maar om mee te werken...)

Ik heb de indruk dat de Zweden wel goede kaarten in handen hebben om tot een succesvolle samenwerking te komen. Volgens mij hebben ze met de Gripen E een echte kanshebber.
En als ze een dubbelslag kunnen slaan voor de Sea Gripen, zoveel te beter. Gezien de Zweden maar al te graag aan "technology share" doen zie ik het wel wat worden.
Waar het volgens mij (alweer) kan (en mogelijks zal) fout lopen, is wanneer
- de Indiers beginnen te sjacheren... wetend dat deze deal een van de laatste kanshebbers is om hun Gripen te slijten.
- er een of ander corruptieschandaal de kop opsteekt,
- een (nieuwe) regering een andere koers inslaat... en beslist dat de Gripen niets is voor hun LuM
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/03/2017 | 15:49 uur
Full tech transfer could derail Indo-Russian fifth-gen fighter program

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/full-tech-transfer-could-derail-indo-russian-fifth-gen-fighter-program?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Breaking%20News%203.16.17&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Breaking%20News
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/03/2017 | 16:23 uur
F-35 firing boosts ASRAAM sales prospects (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-35-firing-boosts-asraam-sales-prospects-435233/)

Flightglobal.com
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 17/03/2017 | 13:52 uur
Ukraine announces plans to develop new fighter

On 15 March Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko announced that the country's defence industry will develop its own twin-engine, multirole fighter. The announcement was made during Poroshenko's visit to the Ivchenko-Progress engine design bureau located in the southern Ukrainian city of Zaparozhe. This facility is also co-located with one of the largest aero-engine assembly sites in all of the former Soviet Union: the Motor Sich production plant.

Ukrainian aeronautical design teams have already produced what has been described as a "sketch outline" of a platform for a new fighter, which has been given the programme name of Legkiy Boiviy Litak, which is Ukrainian for "Lightweight Combat Aircraft" and abbreviated as LBL. The aircraft is supposed to bear a strong resemblance to the Soviet-designed Mikoyan MiG-29 in its external appearance, but the aircraft's onboard systems will be of non-Russian origin.

One of the main differences between this new Ukrainian design and the original MiG-29 will be its engines and electronics. Reports from Poroshenko's visit to the Ivchenko facility stated that the two engines would be "a design based on the AI-322F and the avionics would be of both Western and Ukrainian manufacture".

The engine design appears to be one of the main drivers for this concept, with the Ukrainian president stating, "We will soon be able to create our own aircraft engine for the fighter." Poroshenko also pointed out that Ukraine is among a small group of just five nations in the world that are capable of independently developing aero-engine designs.

Ukraine's new fighter concept was first mentioned earlier in this month in an interview with Yuri Brovchenko, Ukraine's deputy minister for economic development and trade. "On the subject of military aviation, today we are examining the possibility of developing our own indigenous fighter aircraft. There is a design team already working on this," he told the publication Ukrainski Novini.

http://www.janes.com/article/68801/ukraine-announces-plans-to-develop-new-fighter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 17/03/2017 | 20:46 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 17/03/2017 | 15:45 uur
Echt waar? Niet in het Onzin topic?

Haha, sympatiek hoor, maar dat land krijgt nouwelijks een fatsoenlijke APC/IFV (BTR4) voor elkaar, en die gaan een straaljager in elkaar beunen. Nou succes.

Je onderschat ze, de Oekraïners waren ( helaas voor Putin ) de bron van veel vitale R&D centra voor ICBM motoren en straaljagers en ruimtevaart.
Interessant dit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/03/2017 | 09:15 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 17/03/2017 | 13:52 uur
Ukraine announces plans to develop new fighter

http://www.janes.com/article/68801/ukraine-announces-plans-to-develop-new-fighter

In vervolg op de aankondiging van de plannen van Oekraïne, eigenlijk een doorontwikkeling van een bestaand ontwerp   

Ukraine is making its own copy of the MiG-29

Ukraine is set to produce its own indigenous fighter and Jane's reported that the jet will strongly resemble the MiG-29.
While externally indifferent to the Russian fighter, the Legkiy Boiviy Litak will be powered by the AI-322F turbofan and runs on Western and Ukrainian avionics.

http://alert5.com/2017/03/18/ukraine-is-making-its-own-copy-of-the-mig-29/#more-61664

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/03/2017 | 09:18 uur
Flight Global says Israel could be eyeing F-15 2040 variant

Israel continues talks over additional F-15s

Negotiations about a possible follow-on purchase of advanced Boeing F-15s for the Israeli air force are continuing, as the nation's cabinet seeks a possible alternative to acquiring additional Lockheed Martin F-35s.

In November 2016, the Israeli government approved the purchase of another 17 F-35Is, bringing to 50 the number of "Adir" strike aircraft planned for its air force.

The service has been evaluating a purchase of more F-15Is to maintain its desired mix of strike aircraft with the F-35 to satisfy future operational needs. Its initial requirement was identified as for 75 F-35s, but the need to replace the oldest examples of its Boeing-built fighter has become a high priority issue. Israel has operated the twin-engined type since 1976.

It has been decided that an evaluation of an advanced version of the F-15 should be completed before any additional F-35s are purchased. Israeli sources say ongoing talks with the US Department of Defense are related to a potentially 20- to 25-aircraft deal.

Details have not been disclosed about the aircraft standard being sought, but sources indicate that this would be capable of carrying more missiles, in common with Boeing's suggested 2040 upgrade configuration for the F-15.

Meanwhile, the Israeli air force in early March opened a dedicated maintenance training centre for the F-35I at Nevatim air base.

The first such facility to be established outside the USA, this will support personnel training related to 25 different technical professions, the air force says.

Israel requires line- and depot-level maintenance for the new type to be performed in-country, with only subsystems to be sent for support and repair overseas. Its air force took delivery of its first pair of Adirs last December.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/israel-continues-talks-over-additional-f-15s-435303/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 20/03/2017 | 12:34 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 20/03/2017 | 09:15 uur
In vervolg op de aankondiging van de plannen van Oekraïne, eigenlijk een doorontwikkeling van een bestaand ontwerp   

Ukraine is making its own copy of the MiG-29

Ukraine is set to produce its own indigenous fighter and Jane's reported that the jet will strongly resemble the MiG-29.
While externally indifferent to the Russian fighter, the Legkiy Boiviy Litak will be powered by the AI-322F turbofan and runs on Western and Ukrainian avionics.

http://alert5.com/2017/03/18/ukraine-is-making-its-own-copy-of-the-mig-29/#more-61664

Zeer capabel toestel die Mig 29.
Volgensmij waren het de Oekraïners die voornamelijk mechanische onderdelen zoals de motoren aan de Russen leverden voor zowel vliegend als varend materieel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/03/2017 | 13:14 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 20/03/2017 | 12:34 uur
Zeer capabel toestel die Mig 29.
Volgensmij waren het de Oekraïners die voornamelijk mechanische onderdelen zoals de motoren aan de Russen leverden voor zowel vliegend als varend materieel.

De moderne Russische variant heet Mig-35... laats ze maar knutselen (en waar maken)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 20/03/2017 | 23:22 uur
Niks mis mee als de Oekraïners dit voor elkaar krijgen. Ik ben wel benieuwd wat een Russisch-Westerse hybride voor prestaties heeft.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 21/03/2017 | 11:13 uur
Ukraine to develop new light strike aircraft

On 15 March Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko announced that Ukraine's defense enterprises would soon create a new light strike aircraft to replace the Soviet-made L-39, Su-25 and MiG-29 aircraft.

During a visit to the Ivchenko-Progress engine design bureau located in Zaporozhye, President Poroshenko got acquainted with the "mock-ups" of a platform for a new aircraft, which has been given the programme name of Legkiy Boiviy Litak, which is Ukrainian for "Lightweight Combat Aircraft" and abbreviated as LBL.

The new Ukrainian light strike aircraft 'looks similar' to the Chinese L-15 supersonic training and light attack aircraft and Iranian Shafaq subsonic aircraft project. At the moment, the 'new' aircraft remains at the conceptual design stage.

The LBL is a two-seat training and light attack aircraft being developed by National Aerospace University – Kharkiv Aviation Institute in partnership with the Motor Sich. Reports from Poroshenko's visit to the Ivchenko facility stated that the two engines would be "a design based on the AI-225-25 or AI-322F and the avionics would be of both Western and Ukrainian manufacture".

The LBL can perform light-attack and reconnaissance duties, carrying a combat load of 3,000 kg. Maximum true airspeed is 1040 km/h, service ceiling is 14,000 metres, service range 780 km.  The aircraft can carry weapons, suspended fuel tanks, reconnaissance pods and a range of electronic warfare pods including radar jammers and infrared countermeasures.

http://defence-blog.com/news/ukraine-to-develop-new-light-strike-aircraft.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/03/2017 | 07:47 uur
Lockheed's Not Cutting F-35 Costs Enough, But We Know How: Assad, Bogdan

http://breakingdefense.com/2017/03/lockheeds-not-cutting-f-35-costs-enough-but-we-know-how-assad-bogdan/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/03/2017 | 07:50 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/03/2017 | 07:47 uur
Lockheed's Not Cutting F-35 Costs Enough, But We Know How: Assad, Bogdan


Duikt kale aanschafprijs van de F35A in 2020 onder de US$80 miljoen? (daarmee vergelijkbaar of goedkoper dan de Gripen E)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 23/03/2017 | 08:12 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/03/2017 | 07:50 uur
Duikt kale aanschafprijs van de F35A in 2020 onder de US$80 miljoen? (daarmee vergelijkbaar of goedkoper dan de Gripen E)
Kale aanschafprijs van de F-35 vergelijkbaar met de gemiddelde systeemprijs van de Gripen E ja   :-*
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/03/2017 | 09:03 uur
USAF calls plans to retire F-15s "pre-decisional"

22 March, 2017 | Source: Flightglobal.com | By: Leigh Giangreco | Washington DC

The US Air Force says it's too soon to say whether the service will swap out retired Boeing F-15C and F-15Ds for updated Lockheed Martin F-16.

During a 22 House Armed Services Committee, Representative Joe Wilson asked the director of the Air National Guard whether replacing the F-15C and F-15D fleet would have a negative impact on air superiority. Lt Gen Scott Rice answered that updated F-16s could fill the gaps left by the retired F-15s.

This week, Lockheed announced it would move its F-16 production line from Fort Worth, Texas to Greenville, South Carolina. Lockheed is also competing for the US Air Force's T-X trainer contract and the company leverages pieces from the F-16 to build its T-50 trainer. Wilson represents a district in South Carolina, although it does not include Greenville.

While Wilson's question led to a flurry of queries at the Congressional hearing, the USAF maintains plans to retire and replace the C and D models are pre-decisional. The retirement plan is one option the USAF could pursue in the future, but is not imminent, an air force spokesman tells FlightGlobal. Much like the USAF's plans to retire the A-10 Warthog, the retirement option would depend on the service's number of F-35s and possible addition of light attack platforms, she adds.

Retirement is not happening and the discussions referenced this at the Congressional hearing are "very, very pre-decisional," an Air National Guard spokesman tells FlightGlobal.

The USAF's deputy chief of staff for operations told Congress he was not sure if the retirement plan was formal.

"But I know we're looking at maximizing the use of what limited total obligation authority we have," Maj Gen Scott West says. "And to minimize the number of systems that we operate but still be able to accomplish the mission is what we're always trying to do."

Gen Rice agreed those discussions were part of planning choices for fiscal year 2019, but remained pre-decisional. The plan to upgrade existing F-16s with AESA radars was one of several options the USAF entertained last fall, but the service is still discussing them.

Rep Martha McSally, a former A-10 pilot, countered that F-15 serves a unique air-to-air mission, while F-16 does not bring the same expertise.

"That's correct," Rice says. "But I think that we're getting beyond that and I think as we get into the digital age...the system will be even more important than the platform itself."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-calls-plans-to-retire-f-15s-pre-decisional-435480/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 23/03/2017 | 10:17 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/03/2017 | 09:03 uur
USAF calls plans to retire F-15s "pre-decisional"

22 March, 2017 | Source: Flightglobal.com | By: Leigh Giangreco | Washington DC

The US Air Force says it's too soon to say whether the service will swap out retired Boeing F-15C and F-15Ds for updated Lockheed Martin F-16.


Bijzondere keuze. :dead:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/03/2017 | 14:51 uur
Launch of the Initial Development of the New Rafale F4 Standard

(Source: French Ministry of Defence; issued March 22, 2017)

(Issued in French; unofficial translation by Defense-Aerospace.com)

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.defense-aerospace.com%2Fbase%2Futil%2F182247_1F.jpg&hash=9621849ca6d6ec9fd787397e52fec4e2c5dd8c39)
The new F4 standard of the Dassault Rafale fighter will integrate experience gained during combat operations in the Middle East and Africa, and will expand its networking capabilities as well as improved sensors and weapons. (Dassault photo)

During the March 20 meeting of the Ministerial Investment Committee, Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian decided to authorize the launch of initial development of the new F4 standard for the Rafale combat aircraft.

This standard, integrating experience and feedback from combat operations, should contribute to strengthen the Rafale's capabilities to operate alone or as part of a coalition. New developments will include improvements to network working methods, sensor developments and their integration.

The F4 standard will also take into account the expected evolutions of missiles, of the power plant and the integration of new capabilities. The first aircraft fully equipped to this new standard should be commissioned by 2025, but certain functionalities will be available as early as 2023.

This new standard is part of the continuing evolution of the aircraft which will progressively constitute the entire French manned combat aircraft fleet.

The launch of a future tranche of Rafale aircraft will be decided by the next LPM multi-year program law to meet the requirements of the Air Force.

Jean-Yves Le Drian said: "The launch of the F4 standard is essential to provide our forces, by 2025, with an aircraft with increased performance, responding to the increasingly demanding realities of our foreign commitments. Its development will closely involve the forces, the Directorate General of Armaments and our defense industries."

Rafale: Towards Standard F4

(Source: Dassault Aviation; issued March 22, 2017)

SAINT-CLOUD, France --- On 20 March 2017, the French Minister for Defense, Mr. Jean-Yves Le Drian, authorized the start of development of the new RAFALE F4 standard.

Dassault Aviation and the 500 French companies associated with the RAFALE program wish to thank the French Ministry of Defense, the Defense procurement agency (DGA), the French Air Force and the Navy for their confidence.

The policy underpinning the RAFALE program is continuous development to adapt the aircraft to changing needs, through a succession of standards. As early as 2023, a first version of the F4 standard will follow the F3-R standard, scheduled for qualification in 2018.

"I am delighted by the Minister for Defense's decision. The F4 standard will incorporate operational experience feedback and enable continuous improvement of the RAFALE to be maintained. It will reinforce the national skills and technological capabilities essential for preparing the development of the next generation of combat aircraft", stated Eric Trappier, Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation.

"I am also delighted that the Defense Ministry underlines the need to continue with acquisition of the RAFALE, beyond the 4th tranche currently in production, in order primarily to meet the needs of the French Air Force. Finally, this robust national foundation will constitute a launch pad for our aircraft in future export markets."

About the Rafale:

The Rafale is a twin-jet fighter aircraft able to operate from both an aircraft carrier and a shore base. The fully versatile Rafale is able to carry out all combat aviation missions: air superiority and air defense, close air support, in-depth strikes, reconnaissance, anti-ship strikes and nuclear deterrence. The Rafale entered service with the French Navy in 2004 and with the French Air Force in 2006. With more than 30,000 flight hours in operations, it has proven its worth in combat in Afghanistan, Libya, Mali, Iraq and Syria. The Rafale was ordered by Egypt, Qatar and India.

With more than 10,000 military and civil aircraft delivered to more than 90 countries over the past century, Dassault Aviation can offer recognized know-how and experience in the design, development, sale and support of all types of aircraft, from the Rafale fighter to the Falcon range of high-end business jets, as well as military unmanned air systems. In 2016, Dassault Aviation reported revenues of €3.6 billion. The company has almost 12,000 employees.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/182247/france-launches-development-of-rafale-f4-standard.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 24/03/2017 | 19:50 uur
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/poland-mulls-f-35-f-16a-b-fighters-acquisition
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/03/2017 | 11:10 uur
Germany Begins Process to Build its own Sixth Generation Stealth Jet Fighter

http://www.telegiz.com/articles/19052/20170325/germany-begins-process-build-sixth-generation-stealth-jet-fighter.htm#.WNeFNTH2M08.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/03/2017 | 11:16 uur
Successor to F-22 Stealth Fighter will have Advanced Electronic Warfare Capabilities

http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/112779/20170325/successor-f-22-stealth-fighter-will-advanced-electronic-warfare-capabilities.htm
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 26/03/2017 | 12:34 uur
Japan-UK Fighter Project Sign Of Closer Defense Partnership

Tokyo and London explore building a combat aircraft together

Britain and Japan will look at jointly developing a fighter, probably for entry into service in the 2030s. The surprising move is the latest bringing the two countries closer in defense technology. Even if an Anglo-Japanese fighter does not emerge in the end, BAE Systems is likely to be interested in assisting Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) in an indigenous combat aircraft program. But in seeking cooperation, Tokyo probably hopes for a cost-sharing national partner, not just a ...

http://aviationweek.com/combat-aircraft/japan-uk-fighter-project-sign-closer-defense-partnership
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 26/03/2017 | 12:40 uur
Wat meer info over de Japanse stealht fighter

(https://i.4cdn.org/k/1490447374195.jpg)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 26/03/2017 | 16:23 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/03/2017 | 10:51 uur
Argentina may field interim fighter as it seeks Mirage replacement (http://www.janes.com/article/69046/argentina-may-fieldvinterim-fighter-as-it-seeks-mirage-replacement)

Janes.com
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/03/2017 | 11:00 uur
Norwegian F-35 pilot: 'We are on track' (http://airheadsfly.com/2017/03/27/norway-f-35-pilot-we-are-on-track/)

Airheadsfly.com
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/03/2017 | 15:33 uur
USAF progresses SABR AESA radar integration onto F-16 (http://www.janes.com/article/69080/usaf-progresses-sabr-aesa-radar-integration-onto-f-16)

Janes.com
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/03/2017 | 19:56 uur
F-35 program chief Bogdan to retire; deputy director likely successor

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/deputy-f-35-director-expected-to-take-over-program-this-summer?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Breaking%20News-%203-28&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 28/03/2017 | 21:21 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/03/2017 | 19:56 uur
F-35 program chief Bogdan to retire; deputy director likely successor

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/deputy-f-35-director-expected-to-take-over-program-this-summer?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Breaking%20News-%203-28&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

Oftewel wegens "overweldigend"succes aan de kant gezet. :mad:

Nou eens kijken hoelang de opvolger aanblijft. :devil:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/03/2017 | 21:43 uur
Citaat van: walter leever op 28/03/2017 | 21:21 uur
Oftewel wegens "overweldigend"succes aan de kant gezet. :mad:

Nou eens kijken hoelang de opvolger aanblijft. :devil:

Hoezo aan de kant gezet? Luitenant-generaal Bogdan is al sinds juli 2012 hierbij betrokken en dat is best lang.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 28/03/2017 | 21:49 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 28/03/2017 | 21:43 uur
Hoezo aan de kant gezet? Luitenant-generaal Bogdan is al sinds juli 2012 hierbij betrokken en dat is best lang.

OK hij gaat gewoon op pensioen. ;)

Dit "projekt"blijft aanslepen.(volgens mij komt 't nooit meer op 't gewilde nivo,maar dat ben ik dan) :P
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/03/2017 | 21:52 uur
Citaat van: walter leever op 28/03/2017 | 21:49 uur
OK hij gaat gewoon op pensioen. ;)

Dat is het meest aannemelijke, aangezien hij al sinds 1983 officier is. Een keer komt er een eind aan  ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 28/03/2017 | 22:07 uur
Citaat van: walter leever op 28/03/2017 | 21:49 uur
OK hij gaat gewoon op pensioen. ;)
Moet dat niet zijn "op rust" of "met pensioen"?
:angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 29/03/2017 | 19:41 uur




Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 29/03/2017 | 21:03 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/03/2017 | 19:56 uur
F-35 program chief Bogdan to retire; deputy director likely successor

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/deputy-f-35-director-expected-to-take-over-program-this-summer?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Breaking%20News-%203-28&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief
Het JSF programma heeft tot nu 3 herstructureringen gehad.  De eerste kwam in december 2003, de tweede gebeurde per maart 2007.
In begin 2010 was het JSF project in "serious disarray" (serieuze wanorde).  Toen de toenames in kosten schattingen te hoog werden volgens de Nunn-McCurdy wet.
De toenmalige MinDef Robert Gates ontsloeg begin 2010 US Marine maj-gen David Heinz als JSF Program Executive Officer (PEO).
Zijn vervanger, Vice Admiral David Venlet, zorgde ervoor dat het JSF 'schip' niet kapseisde, door een derde aanzienlijke structurering door te voeren.
Die in maart 2012 in werking trad, zodat het JSF programma een steviger en realistischere fundering kreeg
In juni 2012 trad Chris Bogdan aan als JSF Deputy PEO naast baas Venlet en nam in december 2012 het stokje vervolgens over van Venlet.
Bogdan wist dit zeer complexe en moeilijke project vervolgens goed op de rails te houden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/03/2017 | 06:51 uur
Maleisië onderhandelt over aankoop Franse straaljagers. #Rafale

https://fd.nl/economie-politiek/1194894/maleisie-onderhandelt-over-aankoop-franse-straaljagers #FD
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 31/03/2017 | 08:51 uur
Inside Boeing's F-18 Pitch To White House; Fewer F-35Cs Means Shorter Fight

WASHINGTON: If the Navy would buy one squadron of new F-18s (known as the XT, Block 3 or Advanced Super Hornet) instead of the carrier version of the F-35 it "actually improves overall mission capability, while substantially reducing cost."

But the Navy could go even one better and buy two squadrons of the new F-18, which would give the Navy "the best capability affordably." Buying 120 Super Hornets and 200 of the Advanced Super Hornets (which is what their plan would work out to) would save $8 billion in procurement costs each year plus $1.4 billion in operations and maintenance costs each year, the report claims.

That's the essence of the story that Boeing is telling the Pentagon and the White House, according to a Boeing document I obtained that was presented to White House officials. The document marks a shift in Boeing's efforts. In years past the pitch was, essentially, buy more Super Hornets. Now the company wants to convince the Pentagon to shift the balance between the F-18 and the F-35 in favor of their plane. That push has gained much momentum since President Trump's famous tweets about the F-35's high costs, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis ordering a review of the costs and capabilities of the F-35C and F-18 and the news that the Navy fighter fleet is in what analysts are calling a death spiral.

As the headline for Sydney's story about Navy Department readiness notes, 62 percent of F-18 Hornets are unfit to fly and the number for the Marines is up to 74 percent.

Boeing has been offering some version of the argument that the F-18 is cheaper, ready to fly and almost as good as the F-35C for years. They've been eager to keep their production line open and saw the chance to cut into Lockheed Martin's fighter business. For its part, Lockheed Martin has known for years its F-35C sales were the most in peril because of Navy concerns about the F-35's ever-rising costs and its uncertain life cycle costs.

This new document goes much further. It includes a chart — "Analysis of Future A2/AD PACOM Scenario" (can you say China?) — claiming that shifting the balance of F-18s and F-35Cs would "reduce campaign duration" substantially. Keeping the planned Navy buy of three F/A-18 Super Hornet squadrons and two F-35C squadrons would result in a longer fight, it says.

Another chart at the bottom ticks off the characteristics of the two planes. It grants they both have "advanced radar" and "survivability." But it claims the advanced F-18 would outpace the F-35C in maneuverability, acceleration, combat radius and weapons load.

On costs, the paper says the advanced Hornet would cost $79 million all up — including government gear — while Boeing pegs the F-35C's total weapon cost at $120 million.

A source familiar with the F-35 program says F-35C costs should be around $100 million by 2021. The source concedes that cost per flying hour is a bit higher for the C but it is, of course, a truly stealthy aircraft while the F-18 is not.

Boeing also argues that the Advanced Super Hornet would be "complementary" to the F-35C. "Both platforms are survivable in the future because of stealth, Growler and self-protect EW," one Boeing source says. This would give the military "flexibility in deciding how much of each platform they need, keeping in mind they need both."

A key issue in terms of the Mattis-ordered review is whether the Advanced Super Hornet is being factored into the cost and capabilities comparison of the F-18 and the F-35C that the Deputy Defense Secretary will receive. It's not clear, at this point.

http://breakingdefense.com/2017/03/inside-boeings-f-18-pitch-to-white-house-fewer-f-35cs-means-shorter-fight/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 01/04/2017 | 15:35 uur






Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/04/2017 | 08:19 uur
USAF completes last tests for F-35 ejection seat (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-completes-last-tests-for-f-35-ejection-seat-435792/)

Communications gateway between F-35 and F-22 still TBD (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/communications-gateway-between-f-35-and-f-22-still-t-435790/)

FlightGlobal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/04/2017 | 08:15 uur
Report suggests US offers Lockheed 'multi-year' deal for F-35 joint strike fighter

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/03/lockheed-deal-on-f35-possible.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/04/2017 | 19:41 uur
Brexit could impact future European fighter development, Airbus warns (http://www.janes.com/article/69272/brexit-could-impact-future-european-fighter-development-airbus-warns)

Janes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 04/04/2017 | 22:42 uur


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/04/2017 | 07:50 uur
Lockheed promises to drop price of Navy F-35 in face of political pressure

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/327275-lockheed-promises-navy-f-35c-price-drop-in-face-of-political-pressure#.WOSEnpx20NQ.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/04/2017 | 10:04 uur
Boeing pushing new Block III Super Hornet (http://www.defensenews.com/articles/boeing-pushing-new-block-iii-super-hornet)

DefenseNews
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/04/2017 | 08:34 uur
SAS 2017: Boeing Unveils F/A-18E/F Super Hornet Block III with New Capabilities

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/naval-exhibitions/2017/sea-air-space-2017-show-daily-news/5075-sas-2017-boeing-unveils-f-a-18e-f-super-hornet-block-iii-with-new-capabilities.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zeewier op 06/04/2017 | 12:19 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/03/2017 | 06:51 uur
Maleisië onderhandelt over aankoop Franse straaljagers. #Rafale

https://fd.nl/economie-politiek/1194894/maleisie-onderhandelt-over-aankoop-franse-straaljagers (https://fd.nl/economie-politiek/1194894/maleisie-onderhandelt-over-aankoop-franse-straaljagers) #FD
Van wat ik lees zijn ze er al uit. 18 stuks.

De echte post-Koude Oorlog sale begint nu pas. Er zijn geen grote partijen tweedehandsjes met weinig vlieguren meer op de markt. Net als Saab kan Dassault nu pas oogsten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/04/2017 | 13:33 uur
Citaat van: Zeewier op 06/04/2017 | 12:19 uur
Van wat ik lees zijn ze er al uit. 18 stuks.

De echte post-Koude Oorlog sale begint nu pas. Er zijn geen grote partijen tweedehandsjes met weinig vlieguren meer op de markt. Net als Saab kan Dassault nu pas oogsten.

Combineer dit met een groeiende politieke aversie tegen de VS en de Europese eendenbekkies zouden zo maar nog eens een paar interessante successen kunnen scoren.

Wel is enige haast geboden gezien de diverse initiatieven om in de komende 10-15 jaar tot diverse 5e generatie modellen te komen waarvan een aantal modellen zonder twijfel beschikbaar zal komen voor export.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/04/2017 | 13:37 uur
Trump fuels renewed battle over Navy combat jets (https://www.navytimes.com/articles/stuck-in-the-middle-boeings-f-a-18-the-navy-and-lockheeds-f-35)

DefenseNews
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 11/04/2017 | 10:37 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 11/04/2017 | 12:11 uur
was dat nou een KLM Sikorsky die ik voorbij zag komen? ;D  (02:16 minuut)

Ander nieuws,mijn mening over "the sproose goose"is bekend. :devil:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/04/2017 | 12:30 uur
Raytheon ready to hand off SDB II testing to USAF

Geoff Fein, Washington, DC - IHS Jane's Missiles & Rockets - 11 April 2017

Raytheon and the US Air Force (USAF) have conducted the first-ever demonstration of a Small Diameter Bomb II's (SDB II's) ability to hit a moving target in adverse weather.

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Raytheon's SDB II loaded onto an F-15E multirole strike fighter. SDB II is expected to enter operational testing later in 2017. (Raytheon)

A second test, conducted at Eglin Air Force Base's overwater range demonstrated the ability of a Joint Terminal Attack Controller (JTAC) to take control of an SDB II after it was launched and guide it to a target.

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Raytheon will deliver the first all-up SDB II round in April 2017. (Raytheon)

In the first test scenario, a USAF F-15E multirole strike fighter used its active electronically scanned array radar to lock onto a moving vehicle traversing through a simulated urban environment. The scenario was designed to make it difficult for the fighter to discriminate the target, Raytheon business development manager Jim Meger told Jane's.

Once the F-15E crew locked onto the target and launched their SDB II, they provided target updates to the weapon as it travelled through heavy cloud cover. The weapon's millimeter radar tracked the vehicle to the point of impact.

SDB II is fitted with two modes in its datalink - one mode is to join a Link 16 network and the other mode is an ultra-high-frequency (UHF) waveform on a dedicated closed network where a JTAC could control the weapon, as demonstrated in the second of the two tests at Eglin Air Force Base in December 2016, Mike Heyser, Raytheon business development manager told Jane's .

Raytheon was recently given permission to discuss the results of the tests.

As with the first test, this was the first time an SDB II was handed off to a third-party controller, Heyser noted.

"In this particular case it was also interesting because [the JTAC] is getting video feeds from a separate asset who has a [sensor] pod looking at a stationary target," he said. "It would have worked [just] as well if the target were moving."

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 11/04/2017 | 14:02 uur
Citaat van: walter leever op 11/04/2017 | 12:11 uur
was dat nou een KLM Sikorsky die ik voorbij zag komen? ;D  (02:16 minuut)

Ander nieuws,mijn mening over "the sproose goose"is bekend. :devil:
als ook een Duitse Airbus Helicopter Tiger gevechtshelikopter.. :confused:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/04/2017 | 20:28 uur
Battle for the Sky: F-35 Stealth Fighter vs. Block III Super Hornet

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/battle-the-sky-f-35-stealth-fighter-vs-block-iii-super-20118
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/04/2017 | 09:26 uur
Pentagon seeks at least 5 percent savings on Lockheed F-35 jet, say sources

The Pentagon and Lockheed Martin could shave at least 5 percent off the price of stealthy F-35 fighter jets in their upcoming annual purchase contract as the standard version of the plane heads toward a price of fewer than $80 million, people familiar with the talks told Reuters.

The Pentagon, under the direction of U.S. Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, has been exploring how to cut the costs of its most expensive weapons program.

The deal for last year's annual purchase contract, struck this February, put the standard takeoff and landing version of the jet at the lowest price ever, $94.6 million, a 7.3 percent reduction from the previous annual purchase price of $102 million.

The current negotiations are for a batch of about 130 planes. The talks could shave 5 to 7 percent, or $660 million, from the approximately 100 standard takeoff and landing A-model jets for the U.S. Air Force and U.S. allies, the sources said.

.../...

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/pentagon-seeks-at-least-5-percent-savings-on-lockheed-f-35-jet-say-sources
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/04/2017 | 10:21 uur
Orbital ATK reveals missile range extension  ( AARGM-ER => AGM-88 HARM vervanger met dubbel bereik )

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In the cat and mouse game between ground radars and anti-radiation missiles, it appears that the missiles are poised to make the next move.

At least that's the message from Orbital ATK in highlighting a potential new Extended Range (ER) modification for the AGM-88E Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile (AARGM). The company showcased the new design at the recent Navy League Sea-Air-Space Exposition, held outside Washington, D.C.

Orbital ATK representatives explained that the current AARGM was derived from the legacy HARM High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM) program of the mid-1980s. That missile prompted those air defence units to alter their tactics, through selective turning off of radars and elimination of their signals. Those tactics created the possibility of an errant HARM striking an unintended target.

To reduce that risk, the next move by the missile community was an international programme called HARM-PNU [Precision Navigation Upgrade] that essentially gave the HARM an 'electronic leash' of GPS waypoint geo-specificity that created boundaries for engagement locations.

However, the need to 'hit targets' remained, and that need helped support development of the AARGM design, which adds a millimetre wave 'end game' targeting radar to the missile, allowing the missile will fly out to a general location before the millimetre wave radar 'finds' the reflection that looks most like the intended target.

Company representatives noted that one response in ground air defence capabilities has been the development of longer engagement ranges against the delivering aircraft.

Those developments have led programme planners to see the need for an AARGM Extended Range (ER) design. The US Navy's Program Executive Office, Unmanned Aviation and Strike Weapons hosted an industry day in early February to outline their desire for an AARGM-ER 'that leverages existing AGM-88E AARGM components' with a propulsion system development that 'compliments modifications to existing AGM-88E front end components'.

The Orbital ATK concept places the legacy AARGM seeker on a new airframe, which expands from the 10-inch diameter seeker to a larger diameter propulsion section. The concept also moves from rail-launch to a jettison-launch design using spring-loaded retractable lugs, eliminating the drag of the rail devices.

Drag is further reduced through the elimination of mid body wings, repackaging of control section electronics and use of an aft actuator with smaller wings and less drag.

'You can go further with the same manoeuvrability "end game" required for to manoeuvre against targets,' offered one company representative.

Acknowledging that the navy was still finalising its approach, they added that the Orbital ATK design 'is the highest TRL [technology readiness level] we could possibly achieve and the quickest to market'.

'And if you look at the funding line they are looking to start buying hardware in the 2019 timeframe.'

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/sas-2017-orbital-atk-highlights-missile-range-exte/

Ook intern bij de F-35A en F-35C (zo-wie-zo geschikt voor de F-18E/F/G en Tornado's ECR)
(https://i.imgur.com/QT4dAkt.jpg)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/04/2017 | 14:39 uur
Italy receives 500th Eurofighter Typhoon to be built (http://www.janes.com/article/69502/italy-receives-500th-eurofighter-typhoon-to-be-built)

Janes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/04/2017 | 09:03 uur
Service life of US F-16s extended to 12,000 hours
(Laat Nederland ook maar een gedeelte van zijn F-16's een SLEP ondergaan of anders ex-USAF Block 40-52 met SLEP (F-16V) overnemen, goede aanvulling naast de F-35 ) 

The US Air Force has authorized extending the service life of the Lockheed Martin F-16's designed service life to 12,000 Equivalent Flight Hours — far beyond the aircraft's original design service life of 8,000 hours.

Following F-16 Service Life Extension Program (SLEP) structural modifications, the US Air Force potentially could safely operate Block 40-52 aircraft to 2048 and beyond. The Air Force and Lockheed Martin also reduced projected service life costs for the Block 40-52 fleet, paving the way for safe, cost-effective F-16 flight operations for the next decades.

"This accomplishment is the result of more than seven years of test, development, design and analysis," said Susan Ouzts, vice president of Lockheed Martin's F-16 program. "Combined with F-16 avionics modernization programs like the F-16V, SLEP modifications demonstrate that the Fighting Falcon remains a highly capable and affordable 4th Generation option for the US Air Force and international F-16 customers."

Validation of the extended flight hour limit directly supports the SLEP goal of extending the service life of up to 300 F-16C/D Block 40-52 aircraft. SLEP and related avionics upgrades to the US F-16C/D fleet can safely and effectively augment the current fighter force structure as US and allied combat air fleets recapitalize with F-35 Lightning IIs.

A second phase, or Part II, of the F-16 SLEP airworthiness process continues with the request for Military Type Certificate (MTC), which will be submitted to the Air Force's Technical Airworthiness Authority in the coming months. Part II seeks to validate further extending the F-16's operational life based on final service life analysis from extended durability testing.

http://airheadsfly.com/2017/04/12/service-life-of-us-f-16s-extended-to-12000-hours/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/04/2017 | 09:16 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 13/04/2017 | 09:03 uur

(Laat Nederland ook maar een gedeelte van zijn F-16's een SLEP ondergaan of anders ex-USAF Block 40-

Is op onze oude A/B (block 15 als ik me niet vergis) niet mogelijk, alternatief zou zijn idd zijn een aantal C/D (vanaf block 40) voor een zacht prijsje over te nemen en deze in het US SLEP programma te laten mee draaien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/04/2017 | 10:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/04/2017 | 09:16 uur
Is op onze oude A/B (block 15 als ik me niet vergis) niet mogelijk, alternatief zou zijn idd zijn een aantal C/D (vanaf block 40) voor een zacht prijsje over te nemen en deze in het US SLEP programma te laten mee draaien.

precies, kan dan prima nog jaren naast F-35 blijven vliegen.
meer capaciteit, meer toestellen, grotere flexibiliteit.

ja, 2 type toestellen, 2 onderhouds/logistieke voorzieningen.  ;) 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/04/2017 | 11:14 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 13/04/2017 | 10:49 uur
precies, kan dan prima nog jaren naast F-35 blijven vliegen.
meer capaciteit, meer toestellen, grotere flexibiliteit.

ja, 2 type toestellen, 2 onderhouds/logistieke voorzieningen.  ;)

Persoonlijk denk ik dat het dan attractiever is om het aantal F35A uit te breiden, naar bijvoorbeeld 42 tot 48 exemplaren om vervolgens het fighterbestand te vergoten met 24 (?) exemplaren van de winnaar van de US T/X competitie, waarbij ik gok op de Boeing-Saab welke vermoedelijk ook de capaciteiten krijgt van een lichte fighter.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/04/2017 | 11:35 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/04/2017 | 11:14 uur
Persoonlijk denk ik dat het dan attractiever is om het aantal F35A uit te breiden, naar bijvoorbeeld 42 tot 48 exemplaren om vervolgens het fighterbestand te vergoten met 24 (?) exemplaren van de winnaar van de US F/X competitie, waarbij ik gok op de Boeing-Saab welke vermoedelijk ook de capaciteiten krijgt van een lichte fighter.

Dat is idd een veel betere optie !
Waarbij de toevoeging dat de light fighter ook de light attack capaciteiten krijgt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/04/2017 | 11:41 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/04/2017 | 11:14 uur
Persoonlijk denk ik dat het dan attractiever is om het aantal F35A uit te breiden, naar bijvoorbeeld 42 tot 48 exemplaren om vervolgens het fighterbestand te vergoten met 24 (?) exemplaren van de winnaar van de US F/X competitie, waarbij ik gok op de Boeing-Saab welke vermoedelijk ook de capaciteiten krijgt van een lichte fighter.

Citaat van: Harald op 13/04/2017 | 11:35 uur
Dat is idd een veel betere optie !
Waarbij de toevoeging dat de light fighter ook de light attack capaciteiten krijgt.


Boeing heeft al concepten voor het F-X programma laten zien en dat is zeker niet een doorontwikkeling van het T-X programma ontwerp.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/04/2017 | 12:00 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/04/2017 | 11:41 uur
Boeing heeft al concepten voor het F-X programma laten zien en dat is zeker niet een doorontwikkeling van het T-X programma ontwerp.

Oeps, ik was in de fout, ik ging van het T-X programma uit, niet het F-X

F-X is nu een stap te ver, misschien na 2050.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/04/2017 | 12:26 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/04/2017 | 11:41 uur
Boeing heeft al concepten voor het F-X programma laten zien en dat is zeker niet een doorontwikkeling van het T-X programma ontwerp.

Mijn fout, ik bedoel de T/X (F/X is idd een totaal ander verhaal van LM)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/04/2017 | 12:31 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 13/04/2017 | 11:35 uur
Dat is idd een veel betere optie !
Waarbij de toevoeging dat de light fighter ook de light attack capaciteiten krijgt.

Dit dus..

Bijvoorbeeld:  42-48 F35A + 24 (??) T/X voor de KLu.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ros op 13/04/2017 | 13:03 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 13/04/2017 | 12:44 uur
Wat denk je zelf?
Het blijft de vraag of we de huidige plangetallen halen. Als dat al lukt kunnen we ze niet afdoende exploiteren. Daar eerst maar eens op inzetten. En zoveel geld komt er echt niet bij. Denk 150 miljoen per jaar. Feitelijk niks dus.

Misschien (hopelijk) iets meer dan  € 150 miljoen. De kans is groot dat er links en rechts nog wat aanpassingen binnen de organisatie worden gedaan. Een beetje plussen en dezelfde kosten blijven houden gaat niet werken. De vervanging van de F-16 kunnen ze ook beter vergeten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/04/2017 | 13:04 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 13/04/2017 | 12:44 uur
Wat denk je zelf?
Het blijft de vraag of we de huidige plangetallen halen. Als dat al lukt kunnen we ze niet afdoende exploiteren. Daar eerst maar eens op inzetten. En zoveel geld komt er echt niet bij. Denk 150 miljoen per jaar. Feitelijk niks dus.

Dat is helaas een bekend feit... ik denk dat het handjes dicht  knijpen is om het huidige plan getalte halen. Uitbreiding is een wens van de KLu... de vraag is: gaat dat lukken en met welk aantal.

42 lijkt mij geen brug te ver, wil men meer dan vind ik de T/X een overweging, omdat, zoals het er nu naar uit ziet je 4-5 T/X aan kan schaffen voor 1 F35. (exclusief logistieke staart)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/04/2017 | 16:29 uur
F-35 to Face Rafale, Typhoon in Combat Exercise for First Time
(zouden er ook nog NL instructeurs in die F-35A's vliegen ??)

Atlantic Trident 2017

LANGLEY, Va. --- U.S. Air Force Airmen will partner with the Royal Air Force and the French Air Force for a second trilateral exercise beginning April 12 through April 28, 2017, at Joint Base Langley-Eustis.

Atlantic Trident 2017, hosted by the 1st Fighter Wing, focuses on operations in a highly contested operational environment through a variety of complex, simulated adversary scenarios. The goal of the exercise is to enhance interoperability through combined coalition aerial campaigns.

"This exercise was designed to encourage the sharing and development of air combat TTPs [tactics, techniques and procedures] with our French and U.K. partners, against a range of potential threats leveraging U.S. Air Force fifth-generation capabilities," said U.S. Air Force Col. Peter Fesler, 1st Fighter Wing commander. "This is not only an opportunity to share the capabilities of the aircraft, pilots and maintainers between our nations, but to build friendship, trust and confidence that will improve our interoperability as we go forward."

While various exercises are held with allied and partner nations throughout the world, this exercise is one of the first to focus on greater integration of U.S. Air Force fifth-generation capabilities.

Joint Base Langley-Eustis hosted a similar exercise in December 2015, but the upcoming exercise will be uniquely valuable with the addition of the F-35 Lightning II to the training.

Atlantic Trident 2017 will feature the U.S. Air Force F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II; the RAF Eurofighter Typhoon; and the FAF Dassault Rafale. U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and T-38 Talons will play the roles of adversary aircraft.

U.S. Air Force E-3 Sentry and KC-10 Extender aircraft will also provide support during the exercise.

Approximately 225 U.S. Air Force, 175 RAF and 150 FAF service members will participate in the exercise. While there will be more aircraft operating from Langley Air Force Base, operations will occur during daylight hours and the level of noise should be no different than normal.

(EDITOR'S NOTE:  This is the first time that the F-35, and specifically its F-35A air force version, will face Europe's top two combat aircraft, the Dassault Rafale and the Eurofighter Typhoon, during a combat exercise.
It should prove instructive as to the comparative capabilities of the three aircraft, if the participants do not over-classify the outcome.)

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/182842/-f_35-to-face-rafale%2C-typhoon-in-combat-exercise-for-first-time.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 13/04/2017 | 16:32 uur
Nederland tekent als eerste contract voor testen F-35-motoren buiten VS

Nieuwsbericht | 13-04-2017 | 12:00

Nederland gaat F-35-motoren niet alleen onderhouden, maar ook testen. Het is daarmee het eerste land buiten de VS dat de komst van een proefdraaiopstelling binnenhaalt. De testfaciliteit komt in 2019. Defensie en motorfabrikant Pratt & Whitney hebben de bouw van de infrastructuur en de levering van de benodigde apparatuur inmiddels contractueel vastgelegd in het Amerikaanse East-Hartford (Connecticut). Dat is vandaag bekend gemaakt.

Verder omvat de overeenkomst een reservedelenpakket en de benodigde trainingen.

Bouw op Woensdrecht

Defensie, Economische Zaken en de Provincie Noord-Brabant investeren gezamenlijk in de bouw van een onderhoudswerkplaats en een aparte proefdraaiopstelling. Die komen op het Logistiek Centrum in Woensdrecht. Deze zomer wordt voor de constructie van de werkplaats waarschijnlijk een contract gesloten met een aannemer.

Met de komst van het F-35-motorenonderhoud behoudt Nederland de hoogwaardige kennis over motorenonderhoud. Bovendien ontstaat op het Logistiek Centrum Woensdrecht een stevige basis voor onderhoudsactiviteiten voor de komende 30 jaar. Dat is ook gunstig voor onderhoud aan andere wapensystemen. Het motorenonderhoud versterkt de innovatiekracht van de Nederlandse economie en zorgt voor werkgelegenheid.

Andere landen

Nederland is een van de landen die het motorenonderhoud gaat verzorgen voor de wereldwijde F-35-vloot. Verder gaan Australië, Turkije en Noorwegen dit doen. Het testen van motoren sluit aan bij de instroom van de eerste F-35's bij operationele gebruikers in de F-35-partnerlanden buiten de VS.

Mindef
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/04/2017 | 17:17 uur
Citaat van: Mindef op 13/04/2017 | 16:32 uur
Nederland tekent als eerste contract voor testen F-35-motoren buiten VS

Nieuwsbericht | 13-04-2017 | 12:00

Nederland gaat F-35-motoren niet alleen onderhouden, maar ook testen. Het is daarmee het eerste land buiten de VS dat de komst van een proefdraaiopstelling binnenhaalt. De testfaciliteit komt in 2019. Defensie en motorfabrikant Pratt & Whitney hebben de bouw van de infrastructuur en de levering van de benodigde apparatuur inmiddels contractueel vastgelegd in het Amerikaanse East-Hartford (Connecticut). Dat is vandaag bekend gemaakt.

Verder omvat de overeenkomst een reservedelenpakket en de benodigde trainingen.

.../...

Mindef

Goed dat v.w.b. het testwerk Nederland als Europese locatie de eerste is. Alle extra kennis en kunde is meegenomen.

Ben benieuwd of de Britten hun F-35B motoren naar Nederland of naar Noorwegen zullen sturen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/04/2017 | 16:10 uur
Bezoek van 388th Fighter Wing toestellen aan RAF Lakenheath op 15-04-2017

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 21/04/2017 | 08:43 uur
Taiwan to put in request to buy F-35 in July   ( .. we zullen zien ... of de VS F-35's gaat leveren aan Taiwan )

Taiwan's lawmakers were told by Minister of National Defense Feng Shih-kuan on Apr. 20 that his ministry will approach the United States this July to signal its intention to buy the F-35

Speaking at the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Feng said the Trump administration has yet to appointment officials for handling affairs with Taiwan, this is expected to be done by July.

http://alert5.com/2017/04/21/taiwan-to-put-in-request-to-buy-f-35-in-july/#more-62279
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 21/04/2017 | 09:19 uur
Trump heeft overal schijt aan. Maar we weten natuurlijk niet wat er aan ruilhandel heeft plaats gevonden tussen de Chinezen president en Trump betreffende Noord Korea.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 21/04/2017 | 10:03 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 21/04/2017 | 08:43 uur
Taiwan to put in request to buy F-35 in July   ( .. we zullen zien ... of de VS F-35's gaat leveren aan Taiwan )

Taiwan's lawmakers were told by Minister of National Defense Feng Shih-kuan on Apr. 20 that his ministry will approach the United States this July to signal its intention to buy the F-35

Speaking at the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Feng said the Trump administration has yet to appointment officials for handling affairs with Taiwan, this is expected to be done by July.

http://alert5.com/2017/04/21/taiwan-to-put-in-request-to-buy-f-35-in-july/#more-62279
Hopelijk lukt het. (Maar dan ook marineorders voor Europese werven aub..niet een Amerika en Trump one man show dat alleen de Amerikanen bevoordeelt. Taiwan is ook voor Europa en de Benelux een strategisch belangrijk land)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 21/04/2017 | 13:32 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 21/04/2017 | 12:46 uur
Maar dat zal ze echt oxideren natuurlijk. Waarom zou Taiwan orders plaatsen bij Europese werven? En wat krijgen  ze daar dan voor terug?
Het is een leuk alternatief als het met de VS, Japan en Korea niks wordt. En die schepen zouden dan vervolgens toch weer Amerikaanse wapens op komen.
Zolang de Europese landen China hartelijk blijven omarmen zoals ze nu doen zal het niet gebeuren en heeft meedoen ook geen zin. Ik vind dat FC Knudde..maar ja..wie ben ik 8). Dus ja, het "zal ze echt oxideren". ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/04/2017 | 12:00 uur
MBDA Prepares Meteor For F-35 Testing

http://aviationweek.com/awindefense/mbda-prepares-meteor-f-35-testing via @aviationweek
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/04/2017 | 12:03 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/04/2017 | 12:00 uur
MBDA Prepares Meteor For F-35 Testing


Prima ontwikkeling. Nu tempo en ook snel bestellen voor de KLu

(je zou zeggen dat EUrofielen het hier volledig mee eens zullen zijn)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/04/2017 | 12:07 uur
British F-35B to Carry Meteor Missiles from 2024

http://defense-update.com/20170421_f35_meteor.html via @defenseupdate
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/04/2017 | 12:15 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/04/2017 | 12:03 uur
Prima ontwikkeling. Nu tempo en ook snel bestellen voor de KLu

(je zou zeggen dat EUrofielen het hier volledig mee eens zullen zijn)

Het is een goed alternatief voor de AIM-120D AMRAAM. En de Britten krijgen in de jaren 20 een betere versie van de AIM-132 ASRAAM. Voor de KLu is er genoeg keuze.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 25/04/2017 | 15:56 uur
Een tweetal F35A toestellen zijn hedenmiddag geland in Estland.
Voor foto's: http://news.err.ee/591952/gallery-us-f-35-fighter-jets-arrive-in-estonia
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/04/2017 | 09:49 uur
Finland to issue HX fighter RFPs in 2018 (http://www.janes.com/article/69818/finland-to-issue-hx-fighter-rfps-in-2018)

Janes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/04/2017 | 18:22 uur
Bulgaria opts for Gripen (http://www.janes.com/article/69855/bulgaria-opts-for-gripen)

Janes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/04/2017 | 15:48 uur
France Completed Integration of Meteor Air-to-Air Missile on Rafale (http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/183222/france-completes-integration-of-meteor-air_to_air-missile-on-rafale.html)

Dual Meteor Firing Marks Major Milestone for Eurofighter Typhoon (http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/183214/dual-meteor-firing-marks-major-milestone-for-eurofighter-typhoon.html)

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 28/04/2017 | 18:01 uur
F35A aangekomen in Bulgarije: https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1165887/5th-generation-fighters-arrive-in-bulgaria/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/04/2017 | 19:56 uur
Saab has heightened confidence for Gripen exports

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/saab-has-heightened-confidence-for-gripen-exports
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/04/2017 | 15:25 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 01/05/2017 | 08:57 uur
'Bulgaria selects Saab Gripen'  (verrassend !!)

According to variopus sources on Wednesday 26 April, Bulgaria has selected the Saab Gripen to replace its small fleet of ageing MiG-29 fighter aircraft. The Swedish over topped that of Portugal for used F-16s, as well as an Italian offer for second hand Eurofighter Typhoons.

A special committee is to start negotiations with Sweden for a deal involving Saab Gripen C and D fighter jets, at a total estimated cost of 836 million USD. Off set orders are likely part of the deal.

Bulgaria now operates about a dozen MiG-29 aircraft, which were modernized over the last years to meet NATO standards. Also, the country recently ordered additional engines from Russia in an effort the extend the MiG-29's service life.

Bulgaria has been on the market for a replacement fighter aircraft for a number of years. Neighbouring Romania has opted for second hand F-16s from Portugal to replace even older MiG-21s.

http://airheadsfly.com/2017/04/26/bulgaria-selects-saab-gripen/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/05/2017 | 09:40 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 01/05/2017 | 08:57 uur
'Bulgaria selects Saab Gripen'  (verrassend !!)


Wel 8.. het is de moeite.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/05/2017 | 09:57 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 01/05/2017 | 09:47 uur
Beter dan niets, en waarschijnlijk komt er nog wel een 2e batch. Het land heeft geloof ik een investeringswens van 49 miljard. Bij een begroting van 650 miljoen euro.

Laten we hopen op een 2e batch en ja het is beter dan niets en met een beetje geluk levert het wel 4 inzetbare toestellen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/05/2017 | 10:39 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/05/2017 | 09:57 uur
Laten we hopen op een 2e batch en ja het is beter dan niets en met een beetje geluk levert het wel 4 inzetbare toestellen.

Voor Bulgarije is het dan te hopen dat zij bij andere landen de JAS 39D mogen gebruiken voor opleiding, zodat zij 8 x JAS 39C hebben.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 01/05/2017 | 11:33 uur
Ik hoop dat er alsnog afnemers zijn voor de Gripen...
In die regio zijn er nog wel landen (Hongarije, Roemenie,...) die zo'n kist zouden kunnen gebruiken i.p.v. oude MLU F-16's.
De Hongaren hebben nu al/nog 13 Gripens van de 14 Gripens van hun lease/buy deal over. (1 v.d. 2 tweezitters is gecrasht).

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/05/2017 | 17:36 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 01/05/2017 | 17:21 uur
Het toestel vervangt de Su22,  Su25 en MIG29. Dit is echter ook  een mooie casus die  laat zien waarom specialiseren wel nodig is. Het aantal van 8 toestellen is mogelijk het  minimale dat nodig is om QRA te leveren.

De Bulgaarse luchtmacht heeft op dit moment alleen de MiG-29 en Su-25 operationeel. Polen vliegt nog wel met de Su-22.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/05/2017 | 18:21 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 01/05/2017 | 17:53 uur
Klopt, maar las dat de Su22 eerder uit dienst is gesteld, in afwachting van de opvolger.
Aangezien er zo'n  15 jaar tussen  zit weet ik  niet of dat klopt, andere bronnen melden  weer dat het  alleen vervanging van de  Mig29 is. idk.
In  ieder geval kunnen kleine contracten een incentive zijn voor verdere groei.

Dan zal Su-22 opvolger nog even op zich moeten laten wachten. Zelfs als Bulgarije de Italiaanse Typhoons had overgenomen, dan had deze niet de Su-22 en Su-25 kunnen vervangen.

Nu maar zien hoe de mogelijke Slowaakse Gripen aanschaf zal verlopen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/05/2017 | 07:42 uur
China's Improved J-31 Naval-Variant Fighter Jet To Serve Aboard Aircraft Carriers
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/19179/China_s_Improved_J_31_Naval_Variant_Fighter_Jet_To_Serve_Aboard_Aircraft_Carriers#.WQltpiMGI7I.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/05/2017 | 11:19 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: peroxidetim op 05/05/2017 | 19:01 uur
Klopt het dat ' we ' straks  vooral  een geinige  bommenwerper hebben met de komst  van de F35? Dat maak ik uit  uit het feit dat de Amerikanen  de F35 hebben  ontwikkeld terwijl ze de f22 ook al op de plank  hebben  liggen. 
Dat is vooral air to air.

Dan zal NL dus  nog een  echte  fighter moeten  aan schaffen of echt heel goed moeten samenwerken met  landen met rafales of eurofighter typhoons.......
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/05/2017 | 19:25 uur
Citaat van: peroxidetim op 05/05/2017 | 19:01 uur
Klopt het dat ' we ' straks  vooral  een geinige  bommenwerper hebben met de komst  van de F35? Dat maak ik uit  uit het feit dat de Amerikanen  de F35 hebben  ontwikkeld terwijl ze de f22 ook al op de plank  hebben  liggen. 
Dat is vooral air to air.

Dan zal NL dus  nog een  echte  fighter moeten  aan schaffen of echt heel goed moeten samenwerken met  landen met rafales of eurofighter typhoons.......

"Red Flag confirmed F-35 dominance with a 20:1 kill ratio" U.S. Air Force says

https://theaviationist.com/2017/02/28/red-flag-confirmed-f-35-dominance-with-a-201-kill-ratio-u-s-air-force-says/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/05/2017 | 22:12 uur
Italy rolls out first F-35B assembled outside US (http://www.defensenews.com/articles/italy-rolls-out-first-f-35b-assembled-outside-us)

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 06/05/2017 | 15:00 uur
Citaat van: peroxidetim op 05/05/2017 | 19:01 uur
Klopt het dat ' we ' straks  vooral  een geinige  bommenwerper hebben met de komst  van de F35? Dat maak ik uit  uit het feit dat de Amerikanen  de F35 hebben  ontwikkeld terwijl ze de f22 ook al op de plank  hebben  liggen. 
Dat is vooral air to air.

Dan zal NL dus  nog een  echte  fighter moeten  aan schaffen of echt heel goed moeten samenwerken met  landen met rafales of eurofighter typhoons.......
De F-35 heeft in de Red Flag oefening, eerder dit jaar, laten zien dat het een veelbelovend jachtbommenwerper is.
zie:  https://theaviationist.com/2017/02/28/red-flag-confirmed-f-35-dominance-with-a-201-kill-ratio-u-s-air-force-says/
Veelbelovend ja, maar het JSF project heeft nog een lange, reken op circa 10 - 12 jaar, en een moeilijke weg te gaan.  Voordat de LightningII zijn gespecificeerde capaciteiten / vaardigheden ook echt (waarschijnlijk grotendeels) kan laten zien.
De F-35 'vocht' in die Red Flag oefening tegen vierde en 4,5de generatie jachtvliegtuigen.  En deed dat met ondersteuning van de F-22A Raptors.
De US Air Force beschikt over slechts circa 110 - 120 combat coded Raptors en dit type is niet populair in het Pentagon.  De verwachting is dan ook dat de Raptors vanaf 2030 beginnen met uitfaseren. De Typhoons hebben nog steeds last van een slechte inzetbaarheid.  Zonder voldoende Raptors en 'poor men's F-22A's' a.k.a. de Typhoons, is de LightningII irrelevant in een peer-to-peer / staten tegen staten conflict.
zie:  https://theaviationist.com/2014/02/04/f-35-needs-f-22-acc-says/
De Chinezen zijn bezig met hun vijfde generatie Chengdu J-20 en J-31 en de Russen werken aan de Sukhoi PAK-FA / T-50.
Hoe zal het de F-35 LightningII in de jaren 20, 30 en 40 vergaan tegen J-20's, J-31's, T-50's en Sukhoi-35's ?
Vooral als die hun Ver Long Range Air-Air Missiles (VLRAAM) inzetten tegen AWACS en de zeer schaarse tankvliegtuigen
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/05/2017 | 15:20 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 06/05/2017 | 15:00 uur
Hoe zal het de F-35 LightningII in de jaren 20, 30 en 40 vergaan tegen J-20's, J-31's, T-50's en Sukhoi-35's ?
Vooral als die hun Ver Long Range Air-Air Missiles (VLRAAM) inzetten tegen AWACS en de zeer schaarse tankvliegtuigen

Goede vraag, vanuit Amerikaanse zijde zijn dan wellicht/misschien (nog zeer beperkt) de F/X en/of de FA/XX beschikbaar al dan niet ondersteund door een B-21 missile truck..

Voor de Europese F35 gebruikers zal het afwachten zijn of er interessante ontwikkelingen van Europese bodem aan de horizon verschijnen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 06/05/2017 | 15:28 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 06/05/2017 | 15:00 uur
De F-35 heeft in de Red Flag oefening, eerder dit jaar, laten zien dat het een veelbelovend jachtbommenwerper is.
zie:  https://theaviationist.com/2017/02/28/red-flag-confirmed-f-35-dominance-with-a-201-kill-ratio-u-s-air-force-says/
Veelbelovend ja, maar het JSF project heeft nog een lange, reken op circa 10 - 12 jaar, en een moeilijke weg te gaan.  Voordat de LightningII zijn gespecificeerde capaciteiten / vaardigheden ook echt (waarschijnlijk grotendeels) kan laten zien.
De F-35 'vocht' in die Red Flag oefening tegen vierde en 4,5de generatie jachtvliegtuigen.  En deed dat met ondersteuning van de F-22A Raptors.
De US Air Force beschikt over slechts circa 110 - 120 combat coded Raptors en dit type is niet populair in het Pentagon.  De verwachting is dan ook dat de Raptors vanaf 2030 beginnen met uitfaseren. De Typhoons hebben nog steeds last van een slechte inzetbaarheid.  Zonder voldoende Raptors en 'poor men's F-22A's' a.k.a. de Typhoons, is de LightningII irrelevant in een peer-to-peer / staten tegen staten conflict.
zie:  https://theaviationist.com/2014/02/04/f-35-needs-f-22-acc-says/
De Chinezen zijn bezig met hun vijfde generatie Chengdu J-20 en J-31 en de Russen werken aan de Sukhoi PAK-FA / T-50.
Hoe zal het de F-35 LightningII in de jaren 20, 30 en 40 vergaan tegen J-20's, J-31's, T-50's en Sukhoi-35's ?
Vooral als die hun Ver Long Range Air-Air Missiles (VLRAAM) inzetten tegen AWACS en de zeer schaarse tankvliegtuigen
Gelukkig gaat het de Russen en Chinezen ook niet makkelijk af allemaal. De Russen door te weinig financiële middelen en beiden lopen ook tegen allerlei technologische uitdagingen en problemen/kinderziekten op. Daarbij drijft de militaire afschrikkings- en gevechtskracht gelukkig niet alleen op een bepaald type gevechtsvliegtuig. En daarin blijven de Russen en Chinezen ook achter lopen. Maar dat is geen garantie tegen akelige kleinschalige militaire confrontaties.. direct of in proxy-wars.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 06/05/2017 | 15:32 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/05/2017 | 15:20 uur
Goede vraag, vanuit Amerikaanse zijde zijn dan wellicht/misschien (nog zeer beperkt) de F/X en/of de FA/XX beschikbaar al dan niet ondersteund door een B-21 missile truck..

Voor de Europese F35 gebruikers zal het afwachten zijn of er interessante ontwikkelingen van Europese bodem aan de horizon verschijnen.
Ik blijf echt hopen dat ook de Duitsers de F-35 gaan aanschaffen en hun huidige beoogde nieuwe project voor een opvolger van hun Tornado's afstellen. Om dan alle energie en middelen te gaan inzetten op eerst een volwaardige UCAVs..ook in stealth model... en om de opvolger voor de Typhoon en Rafale te ontwerpen en bouwen. Zonde als die energie en middelen verloren gaan in een Duitse alleingang tussentijds. Waar de Duitsers volgens mij ook nog wel andere zorgen en prioriteiten hebben.

ps. Ik denk dat het ook een belangrijk argument is om voldoende gevechtsvliegtuigen te behouden binnen de EU. Zodat we in ieder geval kwantitatief voldoende in te zetten hebben. Critici willen hier nogal op focussen en dan wijzen op de "overcapaciteit" in aantallen van Europa en noodzaak tot afbouw en taakspecialisatie. Onzinnige onrealistische vergelijking vaak, maar doet het helaas bij de bevolking wel goed heb ik gemerkt in discussies elders.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/05/2017 | 17:02 uur
Sweden may retain Gripen C fighters beyond current 2026 retirement date (http://www.janes.com/article/70189/sweden-may-retain-gripen-fighters-beyond-current-2026-retirement-date)

Janes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/05/2017 | 08:03 uur
Special Battle of Stealth Fighters: F-35 vs China J-31 & Russia PAK-FA

http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/story/1682575-stealth-war-analysis-f-35-vs-russia-pak-fa
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/05/2017 | 09:50 uur
Saab looks toward three critical competitions for near-term Gripen C/D sales (http://www.defensenews.com/articles/saab-looks-toward-three-critical-competitions-for-near-term-gripen-c-d-sales)

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/05/2017 | 10:30 uur
Leonardo offers new M-346 jet trainer aircraft for Azerbaijani Air Force

Leonardo has showcased the M-346 jet trainer aircraft to the Azerbaijani authorities.

A presentation of new generation M-346 jet trainer aircraft, manufactured by Italy's Leonardo Aircraft company, was held at an air base of Azerbaijan's Air Force on May 10, the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry, that was reported by azeridefence.com.

The leadership of the Ministry of Defence inspected the aircraft, then a comprehensive briefing was given on its technical data, operation and other capabilities.

The M-346 Master is an advanced and lead-in fifth-generation fighter trainer. The M-346 provides combat pilot training for front line fighters with high angle-of-attack capability. The aerodynamic design of the M-346 uses vortex lift to provide manoeuvrability and controllability at very high angle-of-attack using a fly-by-wire control system.

The M-346 can climb at the rate of 127m/s. The maximum and cruise speed of the aircraft are 1,092km/h and 1,059km/h respectively. Its stall speed is 166km/h. The range and service ceiling of the M-346 are 2,590km and 13,700m respectively. Its take-off run is 320m, while the landing run is 470m. The aircraft weighs around 4,610kg and its maximum take-off weight is 9,000kg.

http://defence-blog.com/news/leonardo-offers-new-m-346-jet-trainer-aircraft-for-azerbaijani-air-force.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/05/2017 | 20:28 uur
First Flight of Gripen E Will Reveal True Cost of Fighter Development

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/feature/5/183525/first-flight-of-gripen-e-will-reveal-true-cost-of-fighter-development.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/05/2017 | 12:15 uur
Italy's anti-establishment Five Star party would scrap F-35 program (http://www.defensenews.com/articles/italys-anti-establishment-five-star-party-would-scrap-f-35-program)

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/05/2017 | 18:49 uur
Gripen E to feature next-generation electronic warfare capablity (http://www.janes.com/article/70320/gripen-e-to-feature-next-generation-electronic-warfare-capablity)

New mission computer to open up Eagle's advanced capabilities (http://www.janes.com/article/70325/new-mission-computer-to-open-up-eagle-s-advanced-capabilities)

Janes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/05/2017 | 08:25 uur
Dassault Sees New Rafale Export Deal in 2018

PARIS --- Dassault is negotiating the sale of Rafale combat aircraft to a fourth export customer, company CEO Eric Trappier told the French regional daily Sud-Ouest on May 14, and expects to sign it in 2018.

"After the contract signed in India, for the delivery of 36 Rafale fighters, and orders for 24 of these aircraft by Egypt and another 24 by Qatar, we will likely soon conclude a fourth contract abroad, but it will rather be in 2018," Trappier said.

"We are notably negotiating with Malaysia for 18 aircraft, but also with India for a second contract. India's needs are enormous," Trapper added. "Thus, for its navy, they are talking about 57 aircraft."

The sale to Malaysia has been under negotiation for several years, and Dassault is currently seen as favorite for a contract valued at over €2 billion, although it could rise higher depending on the size of the weapons package. The Boeing F-18E/F Super Hornet and the Eurofighter Typhoon are also competing for this contract.

Speaking during an open day at a French air force base, Trappier also said that Dassault will hire several hundred people in the Gironde region around Bordeaux, where is located its main production facility, as it gradually ramps up Rafale production.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/183635/dassault-sees-new-rafale-export-deal-in-2018.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 17/05/2017 | 14:11 uur
WORLD NEWS | Wed May 17, 2017 | 6:51am EDT
Exclusive: Germany asks U.S. for classified briefing on Lockheed's F-35 fighter

By Andrea Shalal | BERLIN
The German Air Force this month sent the U.S. military a written request for classified data on the Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N) F-35 fighter jet as it gears up to replace its current fleet of fighter jets from 2025 to 2035.

The letter, sent by the Air Force's planning command and seen by Reuters, makes clear that the German government has not yet authorized a procurement program and is not committed to any particular aircraft to replace its current warplanes.

It said the defense ministry would carry out "an in-depth evaluation of market available solutions, including the F-35, later this year," with a formal "letter of request" to be issued in coming months.

Germany's interest in the F-35 - the Pentagon's most advanced warplane and its costliest procurement program - may surprise some given that it is part of the four-nation consortium that developed the fourth-generation Eurofighter Typhoon, which continues to compete for new orders.

The Eurofighter is built by Airbus (AIR.PA) as well as Britain's BAE Systems (BAES.L) and Leonardo (LDOF.MI) of Italy.

Germany will need to replace its current fleet of fourth-generation warplanes - Tornadoes in use since 1981 and Eurofighters - between 2025 and 2035. The F-35 is considered a fifth-generation fighter given stealth capabilities that allow it to evade enemy radars.

Berlin's letter also comes amid growing tensions between the West and Russia over Moscow's support for separatists in eastern Ukraine, with NATO officials saying that Russian naval activity now exceeds levels seen even during the Cold War.

Britain, the Netherlands, Norway, Turkey and Italy - key NATO allies of Germany - are already buying the F-35 fighter jet to replace their current aircraft, and other European countries such as Switzerland, Belgium and Finland are also looking at purchasing the fifth-generation warplane.

Germany's gesture may be aimed at strengthening its hand in negotiations with its European partners over the scale and timing of development of a next generation of European fighters. Any moves to buy a U.S. built warplane could run into political resistance in Germany, which has strong labor unions.

But military sources say buying the F-35 could make sense for Germany given steady declines in the cost of the U.S. jets, and technical challenges with the Eurofighter.

EIGHT-HOUR BRIEFING

In the letter, the Air Force said a small team of air force officers was gathering data to prepare for a detailed analysis of alternatives for a new warplane.

The group was working closely with the ministry's "Task Force Future Air Combat System," which aims to make a recommendation for a political decision in mid-2018, he said.

"In order to understand (the) F-35's cutting-edge technologies, the German Air Force is requesting a classified brief of the F-35's capabilities in general and especially concerning sensor suites, information management and operational capabilities," the letter said.

The letter said a video conference suggested by U.S. officials in Bonn would help speed up the process.

A source familiar with U.S. weapons programs said the classified briefing requested by Germany would likely last around eight hours.

Since Germany is not part of the international consortium that funded development of the stealthy new fighter, the request for classified information must first be approved by the U.S. government, but U.S. officials said they did not expect any problems securing the needed marketing license.

The Pentagon's F-35 programs office declined comment on the letter. No comment was immediately available from Lockheed.

The F-35 is in operational use by the U.S. Marine Corps and the U.S. Air Force, which last month carried out its first operational deployment of a small number of jets to Estonia for training with other U.S. and NATO military aircraft.

The U.S. Air Force this month also announced this month that it plans to bring the F-35 to the Paris Air Show in June.

(Reporting by Andrea Shalal; Editing by Keith Weir)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-lockheed-fighter-germany-exclusive-idUSKCN18D13X
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 17/05/2017 | 15:19 uur
De Amerikanen leunen al achterover in hun comfy lederen stoelen of kletsen op hun dijen...
Als die erin slagen de Duitsers ook nog te overhalen om de F-35A te kopen is LM super blij...
Kan er in Europa nog een onderhoudsplaats bijkomen voor dat ding (want de Duitsers zullen wel een of ander willen en kunnen afdwingen)

Tenzij... tenzij het allemaal wat "smoke and mirrors" is om de EU-luchtvaartindustrie te laten weten dat de EF- en Tornado-vervangers niet per sé 'van eigen bodem' moet komen...
De aan te schaffen aantallen zullen, voor zo'n land mss niet al te groot zijn maar dan ook weer niet te verwaarlozen/versmaden.

Of dat genoeg zal zijn om miljarden aan R&D te besteden voor een eventueel Europees toestel waarvan er dan al geen zullen afgenomen worden door de Britten, Italianen, Noren, Denen, Nederlanders, Fransen (die vliegen nog wel een tijd op Rafale-versies) en mogelijks ook Belgen ( :devil: )...
Dan blijven er niet veel potentiele klanten meer over: een reeks EU-/NATO-landen kunnen zich niet eens een nieuw toestel veroorloven...

'k Ben benieuwd naar wat er nog volgt qua info over dit onderwerp!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 17/05/2017 | 15:40 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 17/05/2017 | 15:19 uur
De Amerikanen leunen al achterover in hun comfy lederen stoelen of kletsen op hun dijen...
Als die erin slagen de Duitsers ook nog te overhalen om de F-35A te kopen is LM super blij...
Kan er in Europa nog een onderhoudsplaats bijkomen voor dat ding (want de Duitsers zullen wel een of ander willen en kunnen afdwingen)

Tenzij... tenzij het allemaal wat "smoke and mirrors" is om de EU-luchtvaartindustrie te laten weten dat de EF- en Tornado-vervangers niet per sé 'van eigen bodem' moet komen...
De aan te schaffen aantallen zullen, voor zo'n land mss niet al te groot zijn maar dan ook weer niet te verwaarlozen/versmaden.

Of dat genoeg zal zijn om miljarden aan R&D te besteden voor een eventueel Europees toestel waarvan er dan al geen zullen afgenomen worden door de Britten, Italianen, Noren, Denen, Nederlanders, Fransen (die vliegen nog wel een tijd op Rafale-versies) en mogelijks ook Belgen ( :devil: )...
Dan blijven er niet veel potentiele klanten meer over: een reeks EU-/NATO-landen kunnen zich niet eens een nieuw toestel veroorloven...

'k Ben benieuwd naar wat er nog volgt qua info over dit onderwerp!
Inmiddels is duidelijk dat het alleen om de vervanging van de Tornado gaat. Aangezien de Britten en Italianen die ook door de F-35 vervangen is een Duitse keuze in deze niet geheel onlogisch vind ik. Ik juich die zelfs toe. Vervanging van de Eurofighter en Rafale volgt later. Zal de F-35 geen kandidaat voor zijn verwacht ik, maar een nieuw Europees tweemotorig toestel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/05/2017 | 08:14 uur
Luftwaffe: Dieser US-Kampfjet könnte den Tornado ablösen

https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article164682924/Dieser-US-Kampfjet-koennte-den-Tornado-abloesen.html&wtmc=socialmedia.twitter.shared.web via @welt
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/05/2017 | 08:16 uur
Air Force: F-35 3F software drop challenges resolved -- Defense Systems

https://defensesystems.com/articles/2017/05/17/f35.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/05/2017 | 15:14 uur
Boeing sets out upgrade ambitions for Super Hornet, Growler platforms (http://www.janes.com/article/70504/boeing-sets-out-upgrade-ambitions-for-super-hornet-growler-platforms)

Janes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/05/2017 | 17:19 uur
Finland analyses responses in Hornet replacement effort (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/finland-analyses-responses-in-hornet-replacement-eff-437357/)

FlightGlobal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 18/05/2017 | 19:05 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 18/05/2017 | 18:35 uur
Dit klinkt best bewonderenswaardig. Hopen dat ze deze lijn vasthouden en correcte invulling geven.

Mee eens, de opties nog openhouden geeft meer ruimte voor aanbieders dan alles tot in detail vastleggen.

Eerst een visie en ambitie, daarop je projecten afstemmen. Dat hebben de Finnen begrepen, NL kan daar van leren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 18/05/2017 | 21:38 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 18/05/2017 | 18:35 uur
Dit klinkt best bewonderenswaardig. Hopen dat ze deze lijn vasthouden en correcte invulling geven.
Zeker. Ik had het ingeschat op een mix van 40+ multi-role fighters, 20+ lichtere variant en 5 MALE UCAVs. Ook gezien noodzaak voor de Finnen stevig te investeren in hun landmacht en marine. Maar blijkbaar zet men hoger in.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 18/05/2017 | 23:05 uur
'Luftwaffe heeft belangstelling voor JSF'

De Duitse luchtmacht is geïnteresseerd in de aanschaf van het Amerikaans gevechtsvliegtuig F35 Lightning II, in Nederland beter bekend als de Joint Strike Fighter (JSF). Persbureau Reuters zegt een brief in handen te hebben van de Luftwaffe gericht aan de Amerikaanse vliegtuigbouwer Lockheed Martin.

De Duitsers hebben nog geen beslissing genomen, maar willen een beeld krijgen van de technische mogelijkheden van het toestel. Het ministerie van defensie in Berlijn zoekt een opvolger van de Typhoon, die voortgekomen is uit het Europese defensieproject Eurofighter.

De Nederlandse Luchtmacht heeft vorig jaar met twee F35-toestellen testvluchten uitgevoerd. De Luchtmacht verwacht de eerste leveringen in 2019.

https://fd.nl/economie-politiek/1202484/luftwaffe-heeft-belangstelling-voor-jsf (https://fd.nl/economie-politiek/1202484/luftwaffe-heeft-belangstelling-voor-jsf)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/05/2017 | 23:12 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 18/05/2017 | 23:05 uur
Het ministerie van defensie in Berlijn zoekt een opvolger van de Typhoon,

Tornado
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 18/05/2017 | 23:41 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/05/2017 | 23:12 uur
Tornado
Je hebt helemaal gelijk! Die is ondertussen al dik 40 jaar oud.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 18/05/2017 | 23:44 uur
Zou op zich wel goed zijn als straks: Noorwegen, Nederland, Denemarken, VK, Italië, Duitsland en België allemaal met de F-35 zouden vliegen.
Makkelijker en efficiënter om samen te werken.

Onderhoud in Nederland.  :angel:
En hoe meer de Duitsers bestellen, hoe goedkoper het wordt en hoe meer het ons oplevert  8)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/05/2017 | 08:48 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 18/05/2017 | 23:44 uur
Zou op zich wel goed zijn als straks: Noorwegen, Nederland, Denemarken, VK, Italië, Duitsland en België allemaal met de F-35 zouden vliegen.
Makkelijker en efficiënter om samen te werken.

Onderhoud in Nederland.  :angel:
En hoe meer de Duitsers bestellen, hoe goedkoper het wordt en hoe meer het ons oplevert  8)

Net als in Noorwegen komt in Nederland het motoronderhoud. Het grotere onderhoud is in Cameri en misschien later ook het Verenigd Koninkrijk.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 19/05/2017 | 08:58 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 19/05/2017 | 08:48 uur
Net als in Noorwegen komt in Nederland het motoronderhoud. Het grotere onderhoud is in Cameri en misschien later ook het Verenigd Koninkrijk.
Inderdaad!
Maar altijd beter dan niets.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/05/2017 | 19:53 uur
Future F-35 production numbers released - Shephard Media - Aerospace, defence and security news and analysis

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/future-f-35-production-numbers-released/#.WR8wxoC7KEw.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/05/2017 | 18:15 uur
Gripen E or LCA Tejas MK-2? Which one is best choice for Indian Airforce?

http://defenceupdate.in/gripen-e-or-lca-tejas-mk-2-which-single-engine-jet-is-best-for-replacing-mig-21/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 20/05/2017 | 18:40 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/05/2017 | 18:15 uur
Gripen E or LCA Tejas MK-2? Which one is best choice for Indian Airforce?

http://defenceupdate.in/gripen-e-or-lca-tejas-mk-2-which-single-engine-jet-is-best-for-replacing-mig-21/


Als India verstandig is kiest men voor de Gripen E  in de  LCA Tejas MK-2 heb ik geen vertrouwen, snap eerlijk gezegd ook niet dat de Indiase producent  HAL  de blauwdruken van de IAI Lavi niet gekocht heeft dan hadden ze in India ten minste een fatsoenlijke fighter gehad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Lavi
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/05/2017 | 13:38 uur
Indo-Russian project to develop aircraft hits roadblock over price, technology

http://defenceupdate.in/indo-russian-project-develop-aircraft-hits-roadblock-price-technology/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/05/2017 | 13:58 uur
Citaat van: Indian Defence Update op 21/05/2017 | 13:38 uur
Indo-Russian project to develop aircraft hits roadblock over price, technology

http://defenceupdate.in/indo-russian-project-develop-aircraft-hits-roadblock-price-technology/

En dan vindt Rusland het vreemd dat India geen 127 stuks van de PAK-FA/FGFA wil hebben.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 21/05/2017 | 15:44 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/05/2017 | 13:38 uur
Indo-Russian project to develop aircraft hits roadblock over price, technology

http://defenceupdate.in/indo-russian-project-develop-aircraft-hits-roadblock-price-technology/
Laat ook mooi zien dat het nog wel meevalt met die "5e generatie" dreiging vanuit Rusland en China. Lopen toch ook tegen financiële en technische problemen op die blijkbaar samengaat met deze technologische ontwikkelingen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/05/2017 | 17:19 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/05/2017 | 11:16 uur
Super Hornets see boost in new US budget request (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/super-hornets-see-boost-in-new-us-budget-request-437672/)

Seoul picks Elta radar for KF-X fighter (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/seoul-picks-elta-radar-for-kf-x-fighter-437660/)

FlightGlobal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 27/05/2017 | 17:18 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/05/2017 | 11:16 uur
Super Hornets see boost in new US budget request (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/super-hornets-see-boost-in-new-us-budget-request-437672/)
FlightGlobal
En dan te bedenken dat 20 jaar geleden de F-18E/F Super Hornet werd gezien als een interim / "bridge to the future" oplossing tot 2025

Terug naar 2015:
For years, the Pentagon was inflexible when talking about the number of F-35s it wants to buy — 2,443 — pushing back against any suggestions that it should trim that shopping list. But no more.
The high price tag of the F-35, a Lockheed Martin aircraft whose engine is made by Pratt & Whitney, has made some Pentagon officials consider whether the Defense Department can afford as many of the Joint Strike Fighters as they had once planned.
Gen. Joseph Dunford, now the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, wrote in testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee this summer that the Pentagon is "presently taking the newest strategic foundation and analyzing whether 2,443 aircraft is the correct number."
When asked by the same committee: "Do you believe the Navy can afford and needs to procure 310 more F-35Cs with a procurement cost of over $42 billion (USD 135,48 million per plane) ?"  Chief Naval Officer Adm. John Richardson said he would work to "re-validate the appropriate number of aircraft the Navy requires."

Plans right now are for the Navy to purchase 340 F-35Cs, the version of the plane designed to operate from aircraft carriers. The Marines and Air Force would receive different versions of the fighter plane. Other versions of the Joint Strike Fighter are being sold to U.S. allies.
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the head of Senate Armed Services Committee and a frequent critic of the F-35 program, said the numbers the Pentagon has been quoting are inflated.
"There's just not going to be that many," McCain said.
In an interview, McCain said the Pentagon has to look "realistically" at how many weapons systems it can afford.
"The question is, at the present cost, can we afford as many F-35s?" he asked.
McCain said he will press the Pentagon to determine how many planes the services need.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 30/05/2017 | 08:39 uur
Swiss MoD Looks to Revive Fighter Deal

Expert Group to Report on Future Air Defense Options


The Swiss Ministry of Defense will this week take another step towards the replacement of its fighter aircraft fleet, which was suspended since 2014, when the Swiss people voted against buying 22 Saab JAS-39 Gripen fighters for the partial replacement of Northrop F-5Es in 2014.

The current Minister of Defense, Guy Parmelin, set up an expert group in February 2016 to study how Switzerland will ensure the defense of its airspace in future years. In parallel, the UDC party in the canton of Vaud set up a support group two months later which included representatives of industry, the military and the foreign ministry as well as a representative of each major political party.

These two groups – expert and support – will announce the results of their endeavors tomorrow in Bern, the Lausanne daily Le Temps reported May 26. Their brief was to study all possible future threats to Swiss airspace, and how to protect it, so it is expected that their reports will cover the modernization of air defenses as well as the fighter replacement.

Four scenarios, four price tags 

The daily La Liberté reported May 26 that the expert group has identified four scenarios for the future fighter procurement. The goal is to replace the entire fleet of 54 F-5E Tigers as well as the 30 Boeing F/A-18 Hornets, the mainstay of Swiss air defense, whose service life is being extended until 2030 at a cost of 450 million Swiss francs.

1) The most ambitious option calls for the procurement of 55 to 70 modern fighters and of an integrated air-defense system covering all of Swiss territory (45,000 sq km), whose cost is estimated at 15 billion to 18 billion Swiss francs. This however seems very insufficient, given the cost of current combat aircraft, and a more likely cost would be the same figures, but in euros.

The two middle scenarios call for :
2) procurement of 30 fighters and of a complete air-defense system, or

3) of 40 fighters and an air-defense system covering only one-third of national territory. Both are costed at 8-9 billion francs.

4) Finally, the low-cost scenario calls for buying just 20 fighters and an air-defense system also covering one-third of the country, at an estimated cost of 5 billion francs.

These figures should be compared to the defense budget, which averages 5 billion francs annually, of which 1 to 2 billion francs is earmarked for procurement.

Funding remains a major question mark

Given these costs, and the fact that in 2014 Swiss voters refused to approve spending 3.1 billion francs to buy 22 new fighters, politicians are understandably reticent to the idea of asking them to now approve a bill of 8 to 9 billion francs.

The reports submitted tomorrow will be passed on to the Federal Council, Switzerland's government cabinet, which will choose one of the options – or none.

It will also decide how to finance the new acquisitions, an issue that was widely debated during the Gripen negotiations. One option is to pay for them in annual instalments out of the defense budget, which will in this case have to be substantially increased. This option offers the advantage of not requiring a referendum.

A second option is to set up a special fund, as was the case for the Gripen project, but this would require a referendum, which could take place in 2019 but which the government might be unwilling to risk a second time.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/184024/swiss-mod-looks-to-revive-fighter-deal.html

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/press-review_stories-making-the-swiss-sunday-papers/43214910#.WSr7pFVqgAM.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 30/05/2017 | 19:25 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Nikehercules op 30/05/2017 | 21:58 uur
Overduidelijk propaganda, dat zie je al aan de titel. Natuurlijk verdient het project niet de schoonheidsprijs maar dit filmpje is veel te eenzijdig. De F-35 zal verworden tot een platform wat zijn gelijke niet kent. Ik begrijp sommige argumenten om voor bijv de Gripen te kiezen maar heb niet de illusie dat deze operationeel ook maar in de buurt komt van de F-35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 31/05/2017 | 15:29 uur
Zwitserland  Recommendations on the Acquisition of A New Combat Aircraft  (het wordt optie 3 )

The expert panel's recommendations are:
-- Option 1: Replacement of present fighter inventory by 55 (possibly up to 70) new combat aircraft, replacement of current air-defense network with new system offering improved performance.
Estimated cost: 15 to 18 billion Swiss francs.
-- Option 2: Acquisition of 40 new combat aircraft and procurement of a new air-defense network.
Estimated cost: 9 billion Swiss francs.
-- Option 3: Acquisition of about 30 new fighters and service life extension of F-18 Hornet fighters until 2030, and significant improvement of the performance of the air-defense network.
Estimated cost: 8 to 8.5 billion Swiss francs.
-- Option 4: Acquisition of only 20 new fighters, service life extension of the F-18s and renewal of the current air-defense network.
Estimated cost: 5 billion Swiss francs.
The majority of the Expert Panel members (6) voted in favor of Option 3. Options 1 and 2 won two votes each, while as single panel member voted for Option 4.
The members of the Support Panel representing the main political parties voted for Option 3 (3 votes) with a single vote for Option 1.)


Switzerland needs surveillance, protection and defense of its airspace, new combat aircraft and a new ground-to-air defense system: This is the conclusion reached by the two groups tasked by the DDPS chief to examine and evaluate the acquisition of new combat aircraft.

The report of the expert group, which provides a general overview of the issue of airspace protection, stresses the need for interaction between surface-to-air defense and combat aircraft in order to accomplish this mission. The support group, for its part, formulated a total of sixteen recommendations for the head of the DDPS.

In the 2020s, the air defense capabilities of the Swiss armed forces (fighter aircraft, ground-based air defense) will reach the end of their useful life. In the spring of 2016, the head of the DDPS commissioned a group of experts within the DDPS to elaborate the necessary foundations for their replacement by adopting a global vision. These are now summarized in a report that considers all aspects, and reflects the opinions of these experts. The leader of the DDPS will be able to refer to the department's position on the issue. It should be noted, however, that the conclusions of the expert report cannot be regarded as the official position of the DDPS regarding the acquisition of combat aircraft.

The first part of the report consists of an analysis of current trends in the conduct of air warfare and the evolution of modern air defenses. The second part details and explains the tasks of the Swiss Air Force: the need to have air defense capabilities (combat aircraft and surface-to-air defense) to ensure a comprehensive protection of airspace in times of tension. The need to provide effective end-effects from the start of hostilities in the event of armed conflict is highlighted.

Starting from the level of benefits targeted by the Air Force as early as 2025, and in accordance with the Federal Council's long-term airspace concept (report in response to the Galladé 12.4130 postulate) of 27 August 2014, the expert panel's report sets out in detail four options, each based on a varying degree of development of airspace protection systems, and outlines its advantages and disadvantages.

The report presents options for the acquisition of 30 or 40 aircraft or even 55 aircraft and even more, as well as an option that would consider, in addition to acquiring 20 new combat aircraft, provisional maintenance of the F / A fleet (30 aircraft) until its replacement in the 2030s.

The group of experts concluded that the process of modernization of existing air defense assets must begin urgently. To this end, the evaluation of a new combat aircraft should begin shortly, with the objective of being able to choose the type of aircraft in 2020 and request the granting of the acquisition funds as part of the Army 2022 budget. The valuation procedure is described in detail in the report, as well as the possible industry participation during the acquisition and, subsequently, the operation phases.

The report sheds light on the issue of airspace protection mission and also shows the role of the interaction between surface-to-air defense and combat aircraft to carry out this mission.

The four options presented provide for a long-range ground-to-air defense system that can cover an area either the size of the Swiss Plateau or of the entire national territory, depending on the number of aircraft acquired.

After the suspension of the DSA 2020 project in March 2016, it is a matter of restarting the evaluation by modifying its concept and resuming work as quickly as possible, based on the reference values described in the report. The objective is to be able to offer the necessary credit for the acquisition at the latest in a defense budget during the early 2020s.

External Support Group: Statement of Sixteen Recommendations

The group of internal experts was accompanied by a group outside the department, consisting of one representative from each of the four government parties, as well as representatives from the DDPS, other departments, industry and the Swiss Officers' Society.

This group's mission was to evaluate and acquire a new combat aircraft at an early stage of the project, taking into account all aspects, including possible interactions with surface-to-air defense, to discuss and to contribute to the comprehensive and transparent preparation of such a procurement project.

The support group made sixteen recommendations to the DDPS leader, and will serve as a basis for decision-making. Some deal with the following issues: the need for new combat aircraft, the capabilities they should possess, the financing of such an acquisition, the organization of a popular vote, and whether or not to take into account Russian or Chinese combat aircraft. The support group also spoke about the variants presented in the panel's report, the number of aircraft that should be purchased, and the planned interactions with ground-to-air defense.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/184084/swiss-panels-call-for-30-new-fighters%2C-modern-sam-network.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/06/2017 | 15:09 uur
Pratt & Whitney pitches souped up version of the F-35 engine (http://www.defensenews.com/articles/pratt-whitney-pitches-new-f-35-engine-upgrade)

DefenseNews

USAF developing next generation air dominance missile (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-developing-next-generation-air-dominance-missil-437728/)

FlightGlobal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/06/2017 | 17:31 uur
Japan rolls out first domestically built F-35 (http://www.janes.com/article/71125/japan-rolls-out-first-domestically-built-f-35)

Janes

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/06/2017 | 08:32 uur
Spain's Air Force and Navy have sights set on new American fighter aircraft  (zowel A als B, totaal ca. 60 stuks )

Despite its price tag, officials prefer the F-35 Lightning II to the alternative of more Eurofighters

After investing €10.6 billion on the European fighter plane, it turns out that Spain's future military aircraft will in all likelihood be American-made. The Spanish Air Force and Navy have their sights set on the F-35 Lightning II joint strike fighter, made by Lockheed Martin, to replace the F-18s and vertical take-off Harriers that will be decommissioned halfway through the next decade.

An estimated 45 to 50 aircraft will be required for the Spanish Air Force and another 12 to 15 for the Navy. The program could represent spending of over €6 billion, and more than double that considering the logistical support required to keep the aircraft operational.

There is no alternative for the Navy, if it wants to maintain its naval aviation capacity – the ability to launch air power from a ship. The Navy will have to gradually decommission its remaining AV-8B Harrier II Plus aircraft, and the only planes available on the market capable of Vertical/Short Take Off and Landing (V/STOL) are the F-35s. Without them, the Navy's flagship Juan Carlos I would be reduced to the category of helicopter carrier.

Navy officials are aware that the F-35 is too expensive (between €90 and €130 million a unit, not counting the engine) and that their order of 12 to 15 planes would be too small for any meaningful negotiating margin. But things would be different if the Air Force decided to order the same model, said high-ranking Navy officials.

The future fighter aircraft is one of the priorities of the new Armed Forces Capacity Objective slated for approval before the end of this year, said General Fernando Alejandre, the new chief of the defense staff. The goal is to replace the F-18 fighters, which, together with the Eurofighter and the EF2000, are at the forefront of the Spanish Air Force's aircraft program.

The F-18 allowed the Air Force to make a quantum leap forward in the 1980s in terms of technological capacity, but the fleet is now 30 years old and most aircraft have more than 5,000 hours of flying under their wings, with the limit set at around 7,000. Of the 86 aircraft currently in service, the ones in the Canary Islands are in most urgent need of replacement, as they have around three years of service left. All the F-18's will need to be phased out starting in 2025.

Although that may sound like a long time, military sources said that the process to acquire a new fighter plane is very long, meaning that a decision should be reached by 2018 at the latest. "The more we wait, the worse negotiating conditions we will have," said a source.

Air Force sources said that, even with improvements, the Eurofighter cannot compare with the F-35, a fifth-generation fighter that has integrated sensors on the pilot's helmet, granting 360-degree vision. They also allege that relying on a single model could make the Air Force vulnerable in the event of a structural problem with the Eurofighters.

The EF2000 is a European program that Spain participates in with a 14% stake, and which creates around 3,000 direct jobs in the country. The F-35 is an American aircraft in whose production process Spain would play an insignificant role. The country was asked to join the F-35 consortium back in the day (along with Britain, The Netherlands, Italy, Australia, Canada, Denmark, Norway and Turkey) but the Defense Ministry declined the invitation.

"The financial contribution was very high, and the industrial return small," said a source who held a position of responsibility over the matter at the time. "We could not afford to pay for the EF2000 and the F-35 at the same time."

Given its political, industrial and military implications, the purchase of the armed forces' future aircraft is one of the most important decisions that Defense Minister María Dolores de Cospedal will have to make. That is, of course, as long as the defense budget increases and there is enough money to pay for it.

http://elpais.com/elpais/2017/06/05/inenglish/1496652196_078384.html?id_externo_rsoc=TW_CC
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 07/06/2017 | 11:46 uur
Lijkt me geen verkeerde keuze. Interessant om te lezen waarom Spanje niet eerder meedeed aan het JSF programma.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 07/06/2017 | 12:30 uur
Eigenlijk niet verbazingwekkend, deze Spaanse intentie.
Indien ze hun  VTOLs eens willen vervangen is er slechts een optie: de F-35B.
Van daar naar de F-35A is blijkbaar slechts een kleine stap.
LM blij en gelukkig... weer een klant erbij... In Europa en bij Boeing mogen ze met lede ogen toekijken.
Wat deze beslissing voor de Spaanse aerospace industrie zal meebrengen laat ook niet naar zich raden: werkverlies.
De vette kluiven en zelfs de kruimels zijn al verdeeld onder de partners die wel betaalden voor deelname in dit geldverslindende project.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 07/06/2017 | 13:40 uur
Nou Nederland, België en Duitsland mee in de F-35 A/B mix samen met Spanje en we komen ergens.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/06/2017 | 14:09 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 07/06/2017 | 13:40 uur
Nou Nederland, België en Duitsland mee in de F-35 A/B mix samen met Spanje en we komen ergens.

Polen volgt vanaf/rond 2025
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/06/2017 | 15:58 uur
De Spaanse marine ziet graag ook de F-35B bij de Spaanse luchtmacht  :cute-smile:

Mocht Spanje daadwerkelijk F-35`s gaan bestellen, is het dan niet handiger dat Cameri meer gaat assembleren? Alle drie FACO`s zijn in principe qua kwaliteit hetzelfde.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Micheltje op 08/06/2017 | 09:53 uur
Was er geen sprake van een 2e vliegdekschip binnen de Spaanse Marine?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/06/2017 | 19:45 uur
Citaat van: Micheltje op 08/06/2017 | 09:53 uur
Was er geen sprake van een 2e vliegdekschip binnen de Spaanse Marine?

De Juan Carlos I was tot het uit dienst stellen van de Principe de Asturias in 2013 het tweede vliegdekschip.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/06/2017 | 19:50 uur
Canadian plans put interim Super Hornet deal on hold (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/canadian-plans-put-interim-super-hornet-deal-on-hol-438027/)

FlightGlobal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 08/06/2017 | 19:55 uur
Citaat van: Micheltje op 08/06/2017 | 09:53 uur
Was er geen sprake van een 2e vliegdekschip binnen de Spaanse Marine?
Als ook Spanje weer wat serieuzer werk gaat maken van haar defensiebegroting en richting 2% gaat opschuiven zal die 2e LHD er denk ik wel komen ja. Ik verwacht een verbeterde kopie van de Juan Carlos 1, die dan samen of na de Turkse carrier het levenslicht gaat zien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Micheltje op 08/06/2017 | 21:07 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 08/06/2017 | 19:55 uur
Als ook Spanje weer wat serieuzer werk gaat maken van haar defensiebegroting en richting 2% gaat opschuiven zal die 2e LHD er denk ik wel komen ja. Ik verwacht een verbeterde kopie van de Juan Carlos 1, die dan samen of na de Turkse carrier het levenslicht gaat zien.

Het is er wel het land naar
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/06/2017 | 21:03 uur
Airbus calls on France to join European future fighter effort (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/airbus-calls-on-france-to-join-european-future-fight-438111/)

FlightGlobal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 09/06/2017 | 21:49 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/06/2017 | 21:03 uur
Airbus calls on France to join European future fighter effort (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/airbus-calls-on-france-to-join-european-future-fight-438111/)

FlightGlobal
Goed initiatief. Hopelijk met ook een goed resultaat in the end..de opvolger van de Typhoon en Rafale.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/06/2017 | 21:53 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 09/06/2017 | 21:49 uur
Goed initiatief. Hopelijk met ook een goed resultaat in the end..de opvolger van de Typhoon en Rafale.

Mee eens, zsm beginnen want we zijn zo minimaal 15 tot 20 jaar verder voordat dat deze kist inzetbaar is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/06/2017 | 11:22 uur
Boeing, Dassault racing for Rs 50,000-cr Navy deal for 57 fighter jets

http://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/boeing-dassault-racing-for-rs-50-000-cr-navy-deal-for-57-fighter-jets-117060900992_1.html#.WTu6EXG_QJ8.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/06/2017 | 11:30 uur
This Syria-Bound Super Hornet Is Carrying A Uniquely Massive Bomb Load 

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/11355/this-syria-bound-super-hornet-is-carrying-a-uniquely-massive-bomb-load
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/06/2017 | 14:31 uur
Citaat van: thedrive.com op 10/06/2017 | 11:30 uur
This Syria-Bound Super Hornet Is Carrying A Uniquely Massive Bomb Load 

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/11355/this-syria-bound-super-hornet-is-carrying-a-uniquely-massive-bomb-load

Impressive indeed  8)

De Hornet en de Super Hornet kunnen ook nog aan de centerline pylon 1 Mk 83 of aan een CVER (Canted Vertical Ejector Rack) 2 Mk 82 bommen hangen
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/06/2017 | 14:21 uur
F-35As at Luke AFB are grounded after pilots reported hypoxia-like symptoms

All F-35A flights at Luke Air Force Base, Arizona are canceled for the time being while the U.S. Air Force investigate a series of physiological incidents were reported by the pilots

Five incidents have occurred since May 2 and each time the aircraft's backup oxygen system operated as designed and the pilots were able to land safely, the press release said.

During this period, the 56th Fighter Wing will spend time educating local and foreign pilots on hypoxia symptoms. Each incident and its remedial actions taken will be shared with the air crews.

http://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1209770/luke-afb-temporarily-cancels-f-35a-local-flying-ops/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/06/2017 | 14:23 uur
Canada's military still pushing for Super Hornets

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/canada-pushing-ahead-with-stopgap-plan-to-buy-st-louis/article_06210449-7e89-5818-9aeb-9cb6ad7c5860.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/06/2017 | 18:28 uur
Swiss fighter project obtains initial approval (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/swiss-fighter-project-obtains-initial-approval-438157/)

FlightGlobal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/06/2017 | 08:31 uur
Militärjets: Neuer Kampfjet bringt Deutschland die Atombomben-Frage

https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article165459101/Neuer-Kampfjet-bringt-Deutschland-die-Atombomben-Frage.html&wtmc=socialmedia.twitter.shared.web via @welt
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/06/2017 | 08:01 uur
Navy Wants to Buy 80 More Super Hornets for $7.1B Over the Next Five Years

https://shar.es/1RL7Kh
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 14/06/2017 | 11:13 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/06/2017 | 08:31 uur
Militärjets: Neuer Kampfjet bringt Deutschland die Atombomben-Frage

https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article165459101/Neuer-Kampfjet-bringt-Deutschland-die-Atombomben-Frage.html&wtmc=socialmedia.twitter.shared.web via @welt
Minder lastig als Duitsland ook voor de F-35 kiest ter vervanging van haar Tornado's. Lijkt mij de verstandigste oplossing op dit moment.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/06/2017 | 11:25 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 14/06/2017 | 11:13 uur
Minder lastig als Duitsland ook voor de F-35 kiest ter vervanging van haar Tornado's. Lijkt mij de verstandigste oplossing op dit moment.

Prima, bij voorkeur  icm UCAV, maar wel vol gas op de "gezamenlijke" opvolger van de Typhoon en Rafale, hier is geen tijd meer te verliezen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 14/06/2017 | 11:29 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/06/2017 | 11:25 uur
Prima, bij voorkeur  icm UCAV, maar wel vol gas op de "gezamenlijke" opvolger van de Typhoon en Rafale, hier is geen tijd meer te verliezen.
Precies, daar alle aandacht, energie en middelen op inzetten. Niet versnipperen nu. En de UCAV kan ook al made in EU worden. Men is daar ook mee bezig. Zowel in de Reaper categorie als een slagje stealther zoals de nEUROn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/06/2017 | 11:52 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 14/06/2017 | 11:29 uur
Precies, daar alle aandacht, energie en middelen op inzetten. Niet versnipperen nu. En de UCAV kan ook al made in EU worden. Men is daar ook mee bezig. Zowel in de Reaper categorie als een slagje stealther zoals de nEUROn.

Mbt tot de UCAV bedoel ik idd het formaat en capaciteit als die van de EUROn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/06/2017 | 07:30 uur
USAF and USN Both Come To Terms With Long 4th Generation Fighter Futures

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/11530/usaf-and-usn-both-come-to-terms-with-long-4th-generation-fighter-futures
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/06/2017 | 10:10 uur
Qatar, US sign agreement on F-15 deal (http://www.defensenews.com/articles/qatar-us-sign-agreement-on-f-15-deal)

DefenseNews
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 15/06/2017 | 14:01 uur
Eerste vlucht van Gripen E heeft vanmorgen plaatsgevonden, straks is er een personferentie die live te volgen is.

CitaatAt 10:32 on Thursday June 15, Gripen E took off on its maiden flight, flown by a Saab test pilot. The aircraft (designation 39-8) left from Saab's airfield in Linköping, Sweden and flew over the eastern parts of Östergötland for 40 minutes. During the flight, the aircraft carried out a number of actions to demonstrate various test criteria including the retracting and extending of the landing gear.

A live streamed press briefing will be held at 16:00 CET Thursday, June 15. Please join the press briefing https://saab-pressconference.creo.se/ (https://saab-pressconference.creo.se/)

http://saab.com/air/gripen-fighter-system/gripen/gripen/evolution/first-flight/

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 15/06/2017 | 15:01 uur
Ik blijf het een mooie kist vinden.
Hoop dat het deze wordt voor enkele EU-NATO-landen heb ik ondertussen wel al laten varen.
Toch zeker voor West-Europese.
En dat vind ik best jammer.
M.i. had dit een zeer goede aanvulling kunnen zijn voor de F-35A (die nu blijkbaar toch overal gaat ingekocht worden, ondanks alle problemen en vertragingen).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 15/06/2017 | 16:18 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 15/06/2017 | 15:01 uur
Ik blijf het een mooie kist vinden.
Hoop dat het deze wordt voor enkele EU-NATO-landen heb ik ondertussen wel al laten varen.
Toch zeker voor West-Europese.
En dat vind ik best jammer.
M.i. had dit een zeer goede aanvulling kunnen zijn voor de F-35A (die nu blijkbaar toch overal gaat ingekocht worden, ondanks alle problemen en vertragingen).
Ja, was een mooie 1-motorige EU "standaard" geweest. Maar het politieke krachtenveld is nog te verdeeld in Europa. Dus nu andere realiteiten en daar wat mij betreft op verder bouwen. Mogelijk de volgende generatie..
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/06/2017 | 08:14 uur
Airbus Is Planning Europe's Next-Gen Fighter

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a26933/airbus-planning-next-generation-european/ via @PopMech
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 16/06/2017 | 09:36 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/06/2017 | 08:14 uur
Airbus Is Planning Europe's Next-Gen Fighter

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a26933/airbus-planning-next-generation-european/ via @PopMech
Ben benieuwd naar de eerste artist impressions straks..
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/06/2017 | 10:47 uur
In plaats van 72 stuks worden het 36 stuks.

Qatar orders 36 F-15QA fighters (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/qatar-orders-36-f-15qa-fighters-438280/)

FlightGlobal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/06/2017 | 11:24 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 16/06/2017 | 10:47 uur
In plaats van 72 stuks worden het 36 stuks.

Qatar orders 36 F-15QA fighters (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/qatar-orders-36-f-15qa-fighters-438280/)

FlightGlobal

Nog steeds een lekkere order voor Boeing !
Geeft wel aan dat 4+ generatie toestellen nog steeds goede aftrek hebben en daarbij 5de generatie toestellen zijn tot nu toe alleen weg gelegd voor de VS, "vrienden" van de VS, Rusland, China. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/06/2017 | 20:24 uur
Unit Cost of F-35s Delivered This Year Still Exceeds $206M

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/feature/5/184049/unit-cost-of-f_35s-delivered-this-year-still-exceeds-%24206m.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/06/2017 | 10:23 uur
New-generation Prototype Leads Gripen Renaissance

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2017-06-17/new-generation-prototype-leads-gripen-renaissance
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 18/06/2017 | 12:04 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 15/06/2017 | 16:18 uur
Ja, was een mooie 1-motorige EU "standaard" geweest. Maar het politieke krachtenveld is nog te verdeeld in Europa. Dus nu andere realiteiten en daar wat mij betreft op verder bouwen. Mogelijk de volgende generatie..
Verder Bouwen ?

Duitsland heeft onlangs een Request For Information (RFI) gedaan naar de F-35A.
Echter de kans dat Duitsland ook echt de LightningII gaat aanschaffen is klein.  Want een sterke lobby van de Duitse luchtvaart industrie en vakbonden.
Frankrijk en het VK zijn bezig met het Future Combat Air System (FCAS) programma, welke o.a. een vervanger voor de Tornado moet opleveren.  En zij streven ernaar om dit programma a la Jaguar, Lynx en Puma bilateraal te houden.  Waarschijnlijk o.a. om te voorkomen dat dit weer een te duur en (te) vertraagd Europees project wordt door opeen stapeling van nationale eisen.
De Duitse RFI naar de F-35A is daarom een drukmiddel naar de huidige FCAS partners toe, om Duitsland toe te laten tot dit project.

Daarnaast zijn Duitsland en Spanje weer bezig met een mogelijke vervanger voor de Typhoon.
Hier heeft Frankrijk zeer waarschijnlijk geen zin in om toe te treden, want de Rafale wordt nu doorontwikkeld tot F4 en Dassault heeft een groter (openstaand) order portefeuille dan het Eurofighter consortium. 
Airbus mag dan wel een oproep hebben gedaan voor 1 gezamenlijk Europees jachtvliegtuig ontwerp.
Maar ervaringen zoals bij het FCAS en nEuroN RPA (UCAV) laten zien dat Europese bedrijven met elkaar kunnen samenwerken.  Tot dat ... het moment komt dat men werk moet opgeven aan een andere EUropese partner.

De Euro crisis slaagde er niet in om de Euro munt partners nader tot elkaar te brengen.  Juist het tegenover gestelde gebeurde, de nationale deuren en luiken werden dicht geslagen.  We hebben een Brexit en in Italie willen ze ook af van de Euro munt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 18/06/2017 | 12:29 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 18/06/2017 | 12:04 uur
Verder Bouwen ?

...
We gaan het zien. Het verleden is geen garantie voor de toekomst...zowel in het negatieve, als in het positieve. Hele andere tijden en ontwikkelingen nu. We zullen het zien..
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/06/2017 | 09:45 uur
PARIS: Leonardo takes wraps off M-346FA fighter (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-leonardo-takes-wraps-off-m-346fa-fighter-438341/)

FlightGlobal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2017 | 18:57 uur
Lockheed close to massive F-35 fighter jet deal with 11 nations

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/19/news/companies/lockheed-martin-f35-fighter-jet-deal/index.html via @CNNMoney
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/06/2017 | 09:25 uur
A HARD LOOK AT THE F-16 BLOCK 70

http://defenceupdate.in/a-hard-look-at-the-f-16-block-70/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/06/2017 | 13:57 uur
Still in Development, F-35 Gets Mission System Upgrade

Lockheed Martin Selects Harris Corporation to Upgrade F-35 Lightning II Mission System Avionics
(Source: Harris Corporation; issued June 19, 2017)

PARIS -- Lockheed Martin has selected Harris Corporation to upgrade mission system avionics for the F-35 Lightning II as part of the Technology Refresh #3 (TR3) program, significantly boosting the aircraft's data storage, display processing and throughput capabilities. The announcement was made during the International Paris Air Show being held June 19-25 in Le Bourget.

Harris will provide the Aircraft Memory System (AMS) and Panoramic Cockpit Display Electronic Unit (PCD EU), which are based on open architecture and commercial-off-the-shelf (COTS) technology. The AMS provides solid-state mass storage capability for the F-35 aircraft avionics subsystems. It is the repository for avionics operational flight programs, mission and theater data, prognostics and health data, audio, display video, and aircraft parametric data. The PCD EU provides processing for the panoramic head-down display in the cockpit.

"The new TR3 electronics pave the way for system upgrades well into the future," said Ed Zoiss, president, Harris Electronic Systems. "Open systems are the future of avionics and Harris is investing substantial R&D to develop these solutions. These awards affirm the military's approach to open systems architecture and Harris' commitment to delivering more affordable, higher performance solutions than would have been possible using proprietary technology."

The technology development phase will begin in June 2017, followed by a system qualification phase in early 2019, and a subsequent 5-year production contract phase. Harris avionics and ruggedized open systems mission processing technology already support the F-35, F-22, and F/A-18.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/184609/still-in-development%2C-f_35-gets-mission-system-upgrade.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/06/2017 | 14:30 uur


F-35 Aerial Demonstration Debut at 2017 Paris Air Show

The F-35A made its aerial demonstration debut on June 19, 2017 at the Paris Air Show in front of crowds of thousands. Watch this impressive display of 5th Generation innovation in aviation.

The F-35 fighter jet of U.S. Air Force at the first time took to the skies, performing air stunts and demonstrating maneuvering skills at the Paris Air Show 2017.

An F-35A—the model designed for the U.S. Air Force—took off in a vertical climb, then made a series of loops, twists and other dramatic maneuvers. In another impressive display, the stealth fighter abruptly cut its throttle to slowly float through the air, simulating the F-35's capabilities in a dogfight.

The demonstrations in Paris were the first opportunity for international audiences to see the F-35's aerodynamic capabilities, including acrobatic and high maneuvers.

Also according to Reuters, Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N) is in the final stages of negotiating a deal worth more than $37 billion to sell a record 440 F-35 fighter jets to a group of 11 nations including the United States, two people familiar with the talks said.

This would be the biggest deal yet for the stealthy F-35 jet, set to make its Paris Airshow debut.

http://defence-blog.com/news/us-f-35-fighter-jet-shows-off-amazing-air-stunts-and-maneuvers-at-paris-air-show-2017.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: vlincent op 21/06/2017 | 17:06 uur
Lockheed Martin, Tata Announce F-16 India Partnership

http://news.lockheedmartin.com/2017-06-19-Lockheed-Martin-Tata-Announce-F-16-India-Partnership
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 22/06/2017 | 10:14 uur
USAF found it will cost $50 billion to produce another 194 F-22s

A study by the U.S. Air Force has found that the American taxpayer will have to fork out $50 billion to procure another 194 Lockheed Martin F-22 stealth fighters.

Military.com reported that nearly $10 billion is required to restart the production line. Each jet will cost around $200 million.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/06/21/the-f22-fighter-jet-restart-dead-study.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 22/06/2017 | 10:24 uur
Paris Air Show: MBDA seeks munition revolution
(https://assets.shephardmedia.com/live/shephard/media/images/article/smartglider.JPG)

European missile house MBDA has unveiled a new family of gliding smart munitions, but officials played down suggestions it could compete as a Small Diameter Bomb II alternative for F-35 Joint Strike Fighter operators. 

The new missiles, known as SmartGlider, will come in two variants; a 120kg 'light' variant that integrates a 100kg warhead, and a 1,300kg 'heavy' variant that will come with a 1,000kg multi-effect warhead.

The light variant has similarities with the Raytheon SDB being developed for integration on the F-35 but MBDA officials told Shephard that it is 'not constrained by F-35 requirements' and is actually aimed as a general purpose use munition, and a way for air forces to upgrade their legacy precision-guided munitions.

'We have a warhead that is comparable and more efficient than SDB I,' said Lionel Mazenq, MBDA's business development manager France. 'But we don't think there is a market to compete under the F-35 against the SDB...here we are targeting other western aircraft.'

Speaking to Shephard at the Paris Air Show, MBDA officials said the missiles will provide an unprecedented capability to suppress enemy air defence networks.

'The need for range and the need for effects is coming from analysis we have made of recent conflicts with our military advisors and also with the contacts we have with air forces in European and elsewhere,' said Mazenq.

He added: 'We have prepared a portfolio of weapons that can engage a wide spectrum of targets – from hardened infrastructure to relocatable targets and mobile vehicles – with a minimum number of types of effectors.'

The 'heavy' SmartGlider's form factor will be more compact than the 1,300kg Storm Shadow cruise missile, also manufactured by MBDA. While the 'light' variant will be bigger in form factor than the company's Select Precision Effects At Range (SPEAR) jet-powered munition, because it does not have 'the constraints associated with the F-35'.

The SmartGlider will be a compact munition 'built around a single multi-effect penetrator', with the light variant utilising a Hexabomb Smart Launcher (HSL). An aircraft the size of a Dassault Rafale or Eurofighter Typhoon could carry up to three HSLs, meaning a maximum weapon loadout of 18 SmartGliders.

This would allow a pilot to saturate an area with munitions, as they would be able to supply independent mission data to each munition 'instantly'.

In its terminal phase, the munition can be guided by an infrared or visible band seeker, and it is also envisaged that radio-frequency sensors will be integrated 'to resist area-denial strategies', said Mazenq. 'As we have seen in Syria, the area denial strategies are multiple and not always hard kill.'

Describing its current phase, Mazenq said MBDA had been working on this project for four years, so it was now mature enough to start development and integration 'as soon as possible'. This would likely require investment from a customer, which could come from either Europe or an export customer.

'We are in discussions with interested customers but I won't say who with,' said Mazenq. 

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/paris-air-show-mbda-seeks-missile-revolution/

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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/184599/mbda-introduces-the-smartglider-family-of-weapons.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/06/2017 | 10:24 uur
Why the Lockheed Martin F16 Block 70 Purchase will be a Major Disaster For Indian Airforce

http://defenceupdate.in/lockheed-martin-f16-block-70-purchase-will-major-disaster-indian-airforce/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/06/2017 | 11:26 uur
Europe faces Herculean challenge to develop new fighter jet

Fri Jun 23, 2017

By Andrea Shalal | PARIS

Europe is embarking on an expensive and politically charged effort to develop a new combat jet that will shape the future of the European fighter industry and its three existing programs: Eurofighter, France's Rafale and Sweden's Gripen.

Two people with direct knowledge of the matter told Reuters early talks had started on whether and how European countries could co-operate on a new sixth-generation fighter, which could involve a combination of manned and unmanned systems.

Zie link

http://reut.rs/2rZqit7 via @Reuters
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/06/2017 | 10:50 uur
The S-3 Viking Retired Way Too Early      ( .. een type vliegtuig wat gemist wordt ... vooral in de anti submarine rol !! )

Carrier-launched submarine hunters were adaptable

Eight years ago the U.S. Navy retired:

A) Its only dedicated carrier-based tanker.
B) Its last dedicated carrier-based anti-submarine airplane.
C) A carrier-based plane with more than twice the range of its current jets.

With a maximum speed of only 500 miles per hour—many airliners fly faster—the S-3 Viking wasn't about to be the subject of any movies starring Tom Cruise. However, the long-legged jets proved extremely useful in a very wide variety of roles, whether as an electronic spy, submarine hunter, aerial tanker, cargo plane or even an attack jet. And many of those roles have not been satisfactorily replaced since.

The S-3 Viking was first conceived in 1960s to serve as a next-generation submarine hunter. In the event of a war between NATO and the Warsaw Pact, the U.S. Navy's most important mission would have been combating the Soviet Union's large submarine fleet. If the war went nuclear, Soviet ballistic-missile submarines could have wreaked terrible devastation on U.S. cities. And if the conflict remained conventional, then attack submarines would have done their best to sink convoys of American troop ships reinforcing NATO forces in Europe.

During World War II, carrier-based aircraft such as the TBF Avenger torpedo bomber played a major role in sinking Axis submarines. However, the diesel-electric submarines of that era needed to surface frequently to recharge their batteries, exposing themselves to air attack. By the late 1950s, the Soviet Union had begun to deploy its first nuclear submarines, which could remain submerged for weeks, and later months, at a time, and the current S-2 submarine hunters were not adequate for chasing them down.

Lockheed partnered with LTV—which had experience developing the carrier-based A-7 and F-8 jets—in producing a new anti-submarine plane with a sophisticated new design. The resulting twin turbofan jet seated a crew of four in a two-by-two configuration, including a pilot and copilot, a sensor operator and tactical coordinator.

The long-legged plane had a range of 2,300 miles and came with an aerial refueling probe that could extend that even further—leading on one occasion to an S-3 flying 13 hours from a carrier in the Mediterranean to Washington, D.C., carrying a captured terrorist hijacker.

The plane's twin TF-34-400 turbofans—an engine related to that on the A-10 attack plane—were infamous for their peculiar vacuum-cleaner-like whine, leading to the plane's nickname of "Hoover."

The Viking's crew had access to a diverse array of sensors, starting with a APS-116 sea-search radar that could switch between a high-resolution mode for detecting submarine periscopes and a long-range mode that could extend up to 150 miles. A meters-long Magnetic Anomaly Detector boom could extend from the tail to scan the water for the metal in submarine hulls.

The Viking also carried up to 60 sonar buoys to aid in tracking submarines, an infrared sensor and an ALR-47 ESM sensor that could track electromagnetic emitters. Most impressively, the Viking was one of the first U.S. planes to implement a degree of data fusion between the various sensors.

The Viking's internal weapons bay and external wing pylons could carry a diverse array of weapons including homing torpedoes, CAPTOR anti-ship mines, Harpoon anti-ship missiles, unguided bombs, rocket pods and even nuclear gravity bombs.

The S-3A entered operational service in 1974 with VS-41, and soon each carrier had its own squadron of the anti-submarine planes. Though the U.S. Navy fortunately did not engage in any actual anti-submarine warfare in the subsequent decades, the records of S-3 squadrons suggest they might have proved pretty effective at their job.

For example, in 1984 a Viking was the first NATO platform to detect a new class of Russian submarines, and in 1986, S-3s of VS-28 flying from the USS Independence detected submarines from eight different countries while on a cruise in the Mediterranean.

Around that time the Navy began upgrading more than 100 Vikings to the S-3B model, which came with new APS-137 synthetic aperture radars with high enough resolution to identify ships by class.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Navy began assigning additional roles to the S-3 Viking. For example, taking advantage of the type's large hull, six Vikings were modified into US-3A cargo planes modified to serve as special high-priority Carrier On-Deck Delivery planes, capable of carrying six passengers and up to four thousand pounds of cargo.

The Viking also took on a new role as an electronic spy, particularly with the 16 modified ES-3 Sea Shadow aircraft that entered service in 1993. These signals-intelligence aircraft were capable of spying on enemy communications and determining the position of hostile transmitters so that friendly forces could target them.

The Sea Shadows had a brief but eventful operational career, helping identify targets during the air wars over former Yugoslavia and enforcing the no-fly zone over Iraq before being retired from service in 1998 in favor of a replacement program that never materialized. There were also a half-dozen unique variants of the Viking, including "Aladdin" and "Beartrap" aircraft, engaged in intelligence missions that remain classified to this day.

One of the Viking's most important roles was serving as an aerial refueling tanker. After the Navy retired its KA-6 Intruder refueling planes in the mid-nineties, the S-3 remained the only carrier-based tanker plane available until the Navy began introducing air-refueling-capable Super Hornet fighters in 2002.

Particularly during the U.S. intervention against the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001, the Viking flew countless refueling sorties to give short-ranged fighters aboard U.S. carriers the reach to participate in the conflict.

The poky S-3 even saw action in the anti-ship and air-to-ground role, starting with the destruction of an Iraqi Silkworm anti-ship missile during the 1991 Gulf War using AGM-84 SLAM missiles. Vikings also sank several Iraqi patrol boats and destroyed anti-aircraft guns and coastal radars during the conflict.

More than a decade later, an S-3 crippled Saddam Hussein's 350-foot personal yacht Al Mansur in its harbor at Basra using an infrared-guided Maverick missile. The boat was, however, subsequently hit by F-14 Tomcat fighters.

In fact, the airplane would soon play a pivotal role in the infamous "Mission Accomplished" speech, when an S-3A was filmed to great fanfare landing Pres. George W. Bush aboard the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln on May 1, 2003. Though the carrier was only 30 miles away from shore, well within range of a helicopter delivery, the Viking was chosen for its dramatic appeal.

However, the Navy was intent on phasing the Viking out, skeptical that it was worth the effort to continually upgrade the aircraft's systems. The last operational Vikings were actually flying out of Al Asad Air Base in Iraq's Anbar Province in 2008, where they were using LANTIRN infrared targeting and navigation pods to identify ambushes and roadside mines in advance of friendly convoys, proving the type's versatility until the very end.

The Navy finally retired its last S-3 squadron in January 2009, though three aircraft continued to serve on in the experimental VX-30 unit until 2016. Pilots in the unit remarked the onboard sensors remained so effective that they were detecting "schools of dolphins and patches of seaweed."

The retired airframes now lie in storage in the "Boneyard" facility in Arizona. An inspection revealed the airframes had only flown around 10,000 hours out of a potential 23,000-hour service life. The last remaining S-3 in service is an experimental research plane flown by NASA.

This led Lockheed to propose refitting the S-3s to serve as replacements for the reliable C-2 Greyhound cargo plane the Navy was retiring from the Carrier Onboard Delivery role. However, in 2015 the Navy chose to instead purchase the tilt-rotor CMV-22B Osprey instead.

The Osprey has much shorter range than either the Greyhound or the proposed S-3 variant, is slower and more expensive to operate per flight hour, and cannot fly high or in adverse weather conditions due to its unpressurized crew compartment. But using the Osprey does allow the Navy to directly resupply non-carrier-based ships directly, rather than having to land cargo on the carrier by plane and then redistribute to other ships via helicopter.

For several years, it also appeared likely that South Korea might purchase up to 36 refurbished S-3s to assist in its efforts to hunt down North Korea's large submarine force, which includes numerous mini-submarines that have on more than one occasion caused considerable havoc. However, in March 2017 Aviation Weekly reported that Seoul had passed over the Viking and is now interested in the much larger P-8 Poseidon maritime-patrol plane.

The Navy is unlikely to return to the Viking, despite its demonstrated flexibility. This is out of a defensible preference for operating fewer different types of aircraft to maximize efficiency in training, maintenance and spare parts.

However, the Viking's retirements reinforces the Navy's continued reliance on short-range carrier-based aircraft, which is becoming an increasing liability as more capable shore-based missiles threaten carriers at or beyond the maximum combat radius of their onboard aircraft.

Take, for example, the carrier air wing's reliance on Super Hornet fighters to serve as air-refueling tankers. While it is to the Super Hornets credit that it can perform this role, it is hardly an optimal use of the flight-hours of a high-performance fighter plane. Furthermore, a Super Hornet tanker cannot carry as much fuel as a dedicated tanker.

In fact, missile-equipped Vikings would have slightly less than twice the combat radius of a Super Hornet equipped with extra fuel tanks. Of course, the Viking is not an airplane that wants to get to close to well-defended airspace, but it might still offer carrier air wings a useful capability for delivering stand-off attacks at much greater range.

Finally, there is the matter of the anti-submarine mission, which has no fixed-wing replacement onboard American carriers.

While Navy SH-60 Seahawk helicopters provide anti-submarine protection, they can only operate over fairly short distances at low speeds, suitable for close protection rather than large area patrols. Long-distance patrol duties are now confined to large P-3 and P-8 maritime patrol planes, which operate from bases on land.

This means the carriers can only make limited contributions to the anti-submarine mission, even though we live in a time when cheap and effective submarines are proliferating to an unprecedented degree in the Pacific, and submarines have repeatedly succeeded in slipping through defenses to sink carriers in naval exercises.

The Viking provided valuable service to the U.S. Navy by virtue of its very long range and adaptability to a wide variety of roles. It could likely have gone on doing so for many more years if newer, more expensive and more limited alternatives had not displaced it.

https://warisboring.com/the-s-3-viking-retired-way-too-early/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/06/2017 | 11:00 uur
Electronic Warfare 'Growing'; Joint Airborne EW Study Underway   ( .... EW .. bij de US AirForce weg bezuinigd , zoals de EF-111A Raven en ook de EA-6B Prowler. Nu alleen nog de EF-18G Growler bij de US Navy.

Her invoering van een EW toestel ?  ... EF-111B ? ... of EF-15G ?

http://breakingdefense.com/2017/06/electronic-warfare-growing-joint-airborne-ew-study-underway/?_ga=2.23715322.1595064543.1498467207-396165109.1474273737
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/06/2017 | 13:13 uur
UAC on course to complete MiG-35 trials in late 2017/early 2018 (http://www.janes.com/article/71752/uac-on-course-to-complete-mig-35-trials-in-late2017-early-2018)

Janes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 26/06/2017 | 21:27 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 26/06/2017 | 11:00 uur
Electronic Warfare 'Growing'; Joint Airborne EW Study Underway   ( .... EW .. bij de US AirForce weg bezuinigd , zoals de EF-111A Raven en ook de EA-6B Prowler. Nu alleen nog de EF-18G Growler bij de US Navy.

Her invoering van een EW toestel ?  ... EF-111B ? ... of EF-15G ?

http://breakingdefense.com/2017/06/electronic-warfare-growing-joint-airborne-ew-study-underway/?_ga=2.23715322.1595064543.1498467207-396165109.1474273737
De US Air Force nam in 1998 afscheid van de "penetrating / escort jammer" EF-111A Raven.  Tijdens operatie Allied Force boven Voormalig-Joegoslavie dacht de USAF nog dat steelse vliegtuigen zoals de F-117A en B-2A zonder deze gespecialiseerde EW / EOV vliegtuigen kon.  Een F-117A neergeschoten en een tweede werd beschadigd.
De USAF had toen alleen de beschikking over de EC-130H Compass Call "stand-off jammer".  De US Navy en US Marine Corps moesten toen hun EA-6B Prowler "penetrating / escorting jammers" extra inzetten.

Herinvoering van de EF-111A Raven na 19 jaar uitgefaseerd te zijn is onrealistisch.
De USAF heeft in de jaren 80 en begin jaren 90 gekeken naar een F-15G Wild Weasel SEAD (Suppression of Enemy's Air Defense).   Een andere rol dan de EF-111, maar deze werd te duur bevonden.  Dus kwam er de F-16CJ, welke slechts 66 % van de capaciteiten heeft van de F-4G Wild Weasel.
Australia kocht nog niet zo lang geleden F-18E/F Super Hornets voor USD 90 miljoen per stuk en ook een aantal escorting EW F-18G Growlers voor USD 110 miljoen elk.
De F-15E Strike Eagle is een uitstekende 'mudbeater', maar ombouw of nieuwbouw van een F-15EW / 'F-15G' penetrating / escort jammer variant zal waarschijnlijk wederom (veel) te duur uitvallen.
Beter is om te gaan voor een EF-35A, gezien zijn prima sensoren pakket en toekomstige commonality / standaardisatie met de F-35 familie, zou deze zeer gerichte EW kunnen uitvoeren.
Daarnaast kan men bijvoorbeeld ook kijken naar de Israelische luchtmacht, die al verschillende Remotely Piloted Aircraft (RPA) types gebruikt als "stand-in" stoorzenders / afleiders / verleiders boven vijandelijk gebied.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/06/2017 | 22:02 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 26/06/2017 | 21:27 uur
Beter is om te gaan voor een EF-35A, gezien zijn prima sensoren pakket en toekomstige commonality / standaardisatie met de F-35 familie, zou deze zeer gerichte EW kunnen uitvoeren.
Maar ... zijn "zijn benen" lang genoeg ??... kan een EF-35A lang genoeg in de lucht blijven ?
Kan er genoeg "stroom" opgewekt ? , is nu al een probleem bij de F-35A en de bijbehorende koeling van de systemen.

Daarom ook de ideeën voor herinvoering van de Raven (ja, en dat na 19 jaar) of een EW-15G, misschien wat waarschijnlijker. Beide toestellen hebben wel range / uithoudingsvermogen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/06/2017 | 22:14 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 26/06/2017 | 22:02 uur
Daarom ook de ideeën voor herinvoering van de Raven (ja, en dat na 19 jaar) of een EW-15G, misschien wat waarschijnlijker. Beide toestellen hebben wel range / uithoudingsvermogen.

Ik zie de her-invoering van de EF111A niet zo snel gebeuren, dan eerder de EF35A/C of F18E's voor de USAF, aan de ander kant.... ze staan gewoon in de boneyard.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/06/2017 | 09:34 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 26/06/2017 | 22:02 uur
Maar ... zijn "zijn benen" lang genoeg ??... kan een EF-35A lang genoeg in de lucht blijven ?
Kan er genoeg "stroom" opgewekt ? , is nu al een probleem bij de F-35A en de bijbehorende koeling van de systemen.


De US Air Force kan ook kijken hoe de US Marine Corps het in de nabije toekomst gaat aanpakken. De EA-6B Prowler van laatst genoemde zal door de F-35B worden vervangen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 27/06/2017 | 20:12 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 26/06/2017 | 22:02 uur
Maar ... zijn "zijn benen" lang genoeg ??... kan een EF-35A lang genoeg in de lucht blijven ?
Kan er genoeg "stroom" opgewekt ? , is nu al een probleem bij de F-35A en de bijbehorende koeling van de systemen.

Daarom ook de ideeën voor herinvoering van de Raven (ja, en dat na 19 jaar) of een EW-15G, misschien wat waarschijnlijker. Beide toestellen hebben wel range / uithoudingsvermogen.
De F-35A en F-35C hebben in werkelijkheid 'langere benen' dan officieel wordt opgegeven, de 'benen' van de F-35B zijn juist korter dan officieel wordt opgegeven.
De F-35A heeft niet de nuttige lading - bereik verhouding als de F-111 jachtbommenwerper die 4 2.000 ponders op ca. 1.000 nm / 1.852 km kan afleveren.
Maar heeft wel een aanzienlijk groter bereik dan F-16C of F-15 Eagle.

Het zeer uitgebreide F-35 avionica pakket vreet stroom en wordt (zeer) heet, 'je kunt er gemakkelijk mee gourmetten'.  Want meer en krachtiger sensoren dan vierde generatie jachtvliegtuigen en veel meer computing power.
Aan de hitte en 'prik' behoefte problemen wordt gewerkt, want de Technical Release 3 (TR3) avionica van de F-35 block 4 is nog sneller dan die van de TR1 (block 1 en 2) en TR2 (blocks 3).
De F-16A/B block 5 en 10 hadden een Fire Control Computer, die eerst 32 kB, later 64 kB, uitbreidbaar tot 128 kB geheugen had.  Dus vergelijkbaar met de Commodore 64 (kB).    De avionica van de EF-111A Raven stamt uit dezelfde tijd.    De Raven gebruikte de ALQ-99E, een variant van de ALQ-99 die in de EA-6B Prowler en EF-18G Growler gebruikt wordt.  Deze ALQ-99 wordt echter bekritiseerd, want volgens sommigen verouderd.  De ALQ-99 in de Growler is ook zeer onbetrouwbaar, levert voor een 2 koppige bemanning al een hoge werklast op en bezorgt AESA radars aan boord of vlak in de buurt "interferentie", letterlijk storing.

De F-35 heeft net als de F-22A Raptor en Rafale een uitgebreid radar(zender) peil systeem.  Dat met grote nauwkeurigheid (passief) radars en radio's opspoort, identificeert, volgt en lokaliseert.  De info uit dit soort peil systemen kan gebruikt worden om vijandige sensoren veel doelmatiger en doeltreffender te storen, af te leiden of te misleiden.
Stel dat we de EF-111A weer invoeren, dan moet er veel apparatuur worden vervangen, want niet meer in productie / ondersteuning bij fabrikant.  Voortschrijdende Elektronische Oorlog Voering (EOV) hardware vereist ook steeds meer processor kracht en geheugen ruimte.  En dan is het de vraag, of de EF-111A wel genoeg koel en 'prik' capaciteit heeft.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/06/2017 | 07:54 uur
ANALYSIS: Why Europe's combat aircraft market is worth fighting for

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-why-europes-combat-aircraft-market-is-wor-438188/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/06/2017 | 08:02 uur
Air Force: F-22 Will Fly to 2060

http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/story/1787830-air-force-f-22-will-fly-to-2060
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/07/2017 | 08:04 uur
Articles: The F-35 Critics vs. the Facts

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/07/the_f35_critics_vs_the_facts.html#.WVyBDohrSOw.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/07/2017 | 08:11 uur
10 reasons why the Indian Rafale is evolution itself

http://www.dailyo.in/variety/rafale-aircraft-brahmos-nuclear-defence/story/1/18157.html via @dailyo_
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 05/07/2017 | 10:34 uur
Austria Looks for New Fighter As Eurofighter Retirement Looms

Eurofighter: These Are the Potential Successors

VIENNA --- Austrian Defense Minister Doskozil is looking for a cheaper alternative to the Eurofighter.

In the Ministry of Defense, they will tell you nothing on the subject. No wonder: the SPÖ Defense Minister Hans Peter Doskozil is likely to announce the end for the Eurofighter -- a flight hour costs up to 80,000 euros.

Austria's searches have determined that airspace monitoring can be handled by only one system in the future -- this task is currently shared by the Eurofighter with the Saab 105 Ö. Here are the possible successors:

■ Leonardo M 346 jet trainer: Would probably the most cost-effective solution; the Italian jet can also be armed, and its flight hour comes to only 10,000 to 15,000 euros. But Leonardo cannot climb at supersonic speeds; as Georg Mader emphasizes. And Doskozil had explicitly said that the airspace had to be monitored with supersonic jets.

According to experts, two alternatives remain:

■ Gripen: The Swedish jet was originally already in the running against the Eurofighter. But since the latest variant is not much cheaper, used or older versions would have to be ordered.

■ F 16 Fighting Falcon: The same is true of Lockheed's US jet, of which over 4,570 copies have already been sold.

But no matter who wins the race, training jets will also be necessary in the future.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/185031/austria-looks-for-new-fighter-as-eurofighter-retirement-looms.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 05/07/2017 | 11:03 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/07/2017 | 08:04 uur
Articles: The F-35 Critics vs. the Facts

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/07/the_f35_critics_vs_the_facts.html#.WVyBDohrSOw.twitter

Ik vraag me af wie achter dat stuk zit(American Thinker) :devil:
Er zit natuurlijk een deel waarheid in,de kritiek op de nieuwe motoren bijv.,maar het stuk gaat nogal licht over 't feit;Ja er zijn nog (steeds)"glitches"in de Software,maar hey joh dat komt allemaal goed. :dead:
Zonder extra kosten?ik twijfel daar aan,maar goed we moeten door de "zure" appel heen,immers we hebben ervoor gekozen. :neutral:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 06/07/2017 | 17:00 uur
Gripen Favored to Replace Austrian Eurofighters

Eurofighter Is Now On the Hit List; Saab Gripen Could Keep Watch Over Austria

The Eurofighter is one of the most modern combat aircraft in the world but still has a bad reputation in Austria. Because of bribes of around 100 million euros allegedly paid, the Typhoon are not only subject to a parliamentary investigating committee, but they also fell into disgrace with Defense Minister Hans Peter Doskozil.

According to the Ministry of Defense, this is mainly due to their high operating costs, estimated to be around 80 million euros per year. According to Kurier's information, it looks as if the 15 Eurofighters, which cost 1.6 billion euros, could be retired from Austrian skies after only ten years.

Months ago, Doskozil set up a 30-man expert committee to look for alternative combat aircraft. The result, which is being strictly kept under wraps by the military, is to be announced next Friday.

It is clear that a 16 aircraft were needed to monitor Austrian airspace. It was simply excluded that another EU country could be able to secure Austrian airspace. As a neutral country, Austria could not enter into such a dependency.

Sweden Favorite 

Although the military is being very tight-lipped, signals have been leaked suggesting that a change to the Saab Gripen is recommended by the Commission. A "déjà-vu" for Austria, as in the search for a successor to the Saab Draken in 2003, the Gripen lost to the Eurofighter.

The Gripen (Saab JAS 39), is available as single- and two-seaters and always appears in rankings of the world's best multi-purpose fighter aircraft. Used C / D version aircraft could be available. However, Saab recently introduced the new "Super Gripen" E / F version, which is more capable than its predecessor and more expensive.

But the Eurofighter is not the only problem. The second aircraft type operated by the Austrian air force, the slow Saab 105 jet trainer, can only be used until 2020. For the time being, they are being used interchangeably with the Eurofighter for reasons of cost.

If the Saab 105s are to be replaced, military expert Georg Mader - the Austrian correspondent for the Jane's Defense – can see several options. The M-346 (or the successor M-345) of the Italian armaments company Leonardo, which has already flown, is one possibility, and the Czech Republic's Aero L-159, a light ground combat aircraft is another, as is the British BAE Hawk Advanced Jet Trainer. The frequently used F-16 from the USA, on the other hand, is only hard to get.

There remains the exciting question: what will happen to the unloved Eurofighters? A resale is considered legally difficult, but conceivable, by defense experts. Or there could be a buyer for the machines.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/185108/gripen-favored-to-replace-austrian-eurofighters.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/07/2017 | 10:15 uur
Austria wants to phase out Eurofighter from 2020, will lease 18 fighters

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-austria-eurofighter-idUSKBN19S0ZN
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/07/2017 | 16:38 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 10/07/2017 | 16:00 uur
Echt goede hoop heb ik overigens niet.

Ze zullen wel moeten, geen van de Europese landen kan/wil autonoom een volgend generatie kist ontwikkelen of bouwen.

Doen ze het niet, dan zet de zelfstandige Europe fighter industrie, onder aanvoering van politieke besluiteloosheid, na de laatste update van de huidige generatie eendenbekkies  zich volledig buiten spel.

Immers als (productie)lijnen sluiten worden ze afgebroken en verlaat kennis en kunde de organisatie in rap tempo.

Ik zie de Amerikanen nu al smilen.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/07/2017 | 17:02 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 10/07/2017 | 16:54 uur
De Amerikanen? o.a. ja.
Wat dacht je van de Chinezen,  Arabieren, Brazilianen en Russen?

Die vast ook, maar de Amerikanen het hardst, immers er zullen tzt wat eendenbekkies vervangen moeten worden, met aan grote mate van waarschijnlijkheid zullen dat geen kisten zijn met het predicaat made in China of Russia...

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/07/2017 | 17:27 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 10/07/2017 | 17:08 uur
Tientallen miljarden zullen uit Europa wegvloeien, 100.000 banen verdwijnen = extra uikeringen -> defensie bezuinigingen.
De nieuwe vloot wordt een stuk kleiner dan de huidige, maar dan al helemaal. Natuurlijk is het extra geld en invloed leuk voor de VS. Maar het uiteindelijk echte effect is het verdere demise van Europa.

De dag dat we hard zullen moeten toegeven komt daarmee rap dichter bij. Het is een klein radartje in een groter wiel,  maar qua militair wel een belangrijk radartje.

Vandaar, Europa zal wel moeten en bij voorkeur zsm hiervoor het groene licht geven, immers van conceptgedachte tot operationeel inzetbaar vergt maar zo 20 jaar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ronald Elzenga op 10/07/2017 | 18:21 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 10/07/2017 | 17:08 uur
Tientallen miljarden zullen uit Europa wegvloeien, 100.000 banen verdwijnen = extra uikeringen -> defensie bezuinigingen.
De nieuwe vloot wordt een stuk kleiner dan de huidige, maar dan al helemaal. Natuurlijk is het extra geld en invloed leuk voor de VS. Maar het uiteindelijk echte effect is het verdere demise van Europa.

De dag dat we hard zullen moeten toegeven komt daarmee rap dichter bij. Het is een klein radartje in een groter wiel,  maar qua militair wel een belangrijk radartje.
De keuze voor de F-35 door verschillende EUropese landen was wat mij betreft dus al een gemiste kans en aanslag op de wortels van de EUropese gevechtsvliegtuig-ontwikkeling. De Amerikanen zaten te smilen inderdaad! Want we weten dat je zowel op 1-motorig als 2-motorig gebied gewoon je eigen product/ontwikkeling moet hebben. Maar ja, wie niet wil luisteren moet maar voelen. Al zal dat de betrokken Europese politici een worst wezen, die hebben hun zaken wel voor elkaar, ook na politieke pensionering. Degene die de prijs betalen zullen de Europese werknemers zijn in deze branche.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/07/2017 | 18:41 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 10/07/2017 | 18:21 uur
De keuze voor de F-35 door verschillende EUropese landen was wat mij betreft dus al een gemiste kans en aanslag op de wortels van de EUropese gevechtsvliegtuig-ontwikkeling. De Amerikanen zaten te smilen inderdaad! Want we weten dat je zowel op 1-motorig als 2-motorig gebied gewoon je eigen product/ontwikkeling moet hebben. Maar ja, wie niet wil luisteren moet maar voelen. Al zal dat de betrokken Europese politici een worst wezen, die hebben hun zaken wel voor elkaar, ook na politieke pensionering. Degene die de prijs betalen zullen de Europese werknemers zijn in deze branche.

Het is nog niet te laat, maar tempo is geboden.

Ik blijf het spijtig vinden dat Saab, van de Zweedse overheid, niet voor de FS2020 mocht gaan, (die zou ik als KLu F16 vervanger hebben kunnen omarmen),  het zou wellicht een prima basis gevormd hebben voor een meer toekomst bestendige Europese 1 pitter. Nu snel de koppen bij elkaar en knopen doorhakken voor een nieuwe 2 pitter.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 11/07/2017 | 02:54 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 10/07/2017 | 18:21 uur
De keuze voor de F-35 door verschillende EUropese landen was wat mij betreft dus al een gemiste kans en aanslag op de wortels van de EUropese gevechtsvliegtuig-ontwikkeling. De Amerikanen zaten te smilen inderdaad! Want we weten dat je zowel op 1-motorig als 2-motorig gebied gewoon je eigen product/ontwikkeling moet hebben. Maar ja, wie niet wil luisteren moet maar voelen. Al zal dat de betrokken Europese politici een worst wezen, die hebben hun zaken wel voor elkaar, ook na politieke pensionering. Degene die de prijs betalen zullen de Europese werknemers zijn in deze branche.

Europa loopt achter op dit gebied. Daar gaan we weer. Echt jij bent wel zo enorm frustrerend. Je dringt hier en daar alles de krijgsmacht op zonder enige inhoudelijke kennis..van welke zaak dan ook. Politiek of militair.

Nederlandse onderzeers? Nee. Els wil duits/frans/whatever

Nederlandse fregatten? Nee Els wil Duits

Vliegtuigen... ja doe maar ff liever in de EU want nu maak je je ineens druk om de Europese werkgever. Vent ga breien. Je doet maar wat.

De Europese luchtvaart loopt op dit gebied een decennia ofzo achter. Maar blijf vooral twitteren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 11/07/2017 | 09:30 uur
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/sweden-pulls-out-of-belgian-fighter-battle
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/07/2017 | 16:05 uur
Pentagon officials brief Germany on F-35 fighter jet

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-military-lockheed-fighter-idUSKBN19W16N
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/07/2017 | 19:39 uur
Het goede nieuws van vandaag!

France and Germany to Develop New European Fighter Jet

By REUTERS JULY 13, 2017, 11:51 A.M. E.D.T.

PARIS — France and Germany unveiled plans on Thursday to develop a European fighter jet, burying past rivalries as part of a raft of measures to tighten defense and security cooperation.

The move to develop a new warplane accelerates steps that are expected to shape the future of the European fighter industry and its three existing programs - the Eurofighter, France's Rafale and Sweden's Gripen.

The move also reflects efforts to give fresh impetus to Franco-German relations in the aftermath of Britain's decision to leave the European Union and was described by defense experts as a snub to Europe's leading military power..

France and Germany aim to come up with a roadmap by mid 2018 for jointly leading development of the new aircraft to replace their existing fleets of rival warplanes, according to a document issued after a Franco-German cabinet meeting in Paris.

"Today there are too many European standards and qualifications and sometimes there is competition among Europeans internationally," French President Emmanuel Macron told a news conference, flanked by German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
"I can confirm this is a deep revolution but we are not afraid when they are carried out peacefully, in a structured way and over time," Macron said.

France and Germany said their new combat system, which analysts say could involve a mixture of manned and unmanned aircraft, would replace the Rafale and Eurofighter, rival jets that compete fiercely for global sales.

That would mark the end of a decades-long split since France withdrew from the Eurofighter project in the 1980s to produce its Rafale warplane with Dassault Aviation.

Defense industry experts called the move a setback to Britain and its leading arms contractor, BAE Systems.

"It is a sign to the British. It means 'you are leaving the EU and we are driving forward. We are no longer interested in you blocking the EU on defense'," a senior German defense industry official told Reuters.

BRITAIN OUT ON A LIMB?

The joint declaration did not say what role, if any, Britain would play in the Franco-German-led development. The country is Europe's biggest defense spender and a partner in the Eurofighter project alongside Germany, Spain and Italy.

France and the United Kingdom - both permanent U.N. Security Council members with close defense and security ties - agreed to cooperate on nuclear and missiles technology in 2010, but some French officials have expressed concerns about the impact of Brexit on defense.

Some analysts and defense officials said the Franco-German push to create a new fighter could drive Britain further toward industrial and defense cooperation with the United States.

Currently, Britain has a foot in both camps through the Lockheed Martin F-35 and a share of the Eurofighter program through BAE.

"It is almost inevitable that the UK would consider a new partnership with America for the next generation of fighters," said Alexandra Ashbourne-Walmsley, associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, a think-tank based in London.

"The UK has accepted that it can't build another fighter on its own, both as a natural evolution from the F-35 program and also because of economies of scale since having a small part of a U.S. project is worth more than a Franco-German program."

However, Thursday's declaration is also seen by some as just the opening move in a long and unpredictable European negotiation affecting defense firms including BAE and its Eurofighter partners Airbus and Leonardo.

Paris and Berlin also agreed to set up a cooperation framework for the next model of the Airbus Tiger attack helicopter and for tactical air-to-ground missiles.

In addition, they will work together on procuring ground systems including heavy tanks and artillery and said a contract was expected to be signed before 2019 for the military "Eurodrone" project, which also includes Italy.

(Additional reporting by Jean-Baptiste Vey and Michel Rose; editing by Andrew Callus and David Clarke)
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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/07/2017 | 20:08 uur
UK to decide on future F-35 variant 'at appropriate time' (http://www.janes.com/article/72277/uk-to-decide-on-future-f-35-variant-at-appropriate-time)

Janes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/07/2017 | 20:32 uur
Frankrijk en Duitsland gaan samen een Europees gevechtsvliegtuig bouwen

https://s.vk.nl/t-a4506153/ via @volkskrant
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/07/2017 | 08:16 uur
France and Germany Want to Build Their Own 5th Generation Fighter Jet

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/12438/france-and-germany-want-to-build-their-own-5th-generation-fighter-jet
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/07/2017 | 10:03 uur
Russia to Build 5th Generation Fighter-Interceptor in Addition to PAK FA, PAK DA:

https://sputniknews.com/military/201707141055552730-russia-fifth-generation-figher-interceptor/ via @SputnikInt
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 16/07/2017 | 10:15 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/07/2017 | 10:03 uur
Russia to Build 5th Generation Fighter-Interceptor in Addition to PAK FA, PAK DA:

https://sputniknews.com/military/201707141055552730-russia-fifth-generation-figher-interceptor/ via @SputnikInt

Ik dacht dat er al flink wat problemen waren met de ontwikkeling van de huidige PAK toestellen.
Lijkt mij een zeer onwaarschijnlijke move van de Russen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/07/2017 | 10:34 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 16/07/2017 | 10:15 uur
Ik dacht dat er al flink wat problemen waren met de ontwikkeling van de huidige PAK toestellen.
Lijkt mij een zeer onwaarschijnlijke move van de Russen.

Wordt al enige tijd over gesproken en het lijkt mij niet onwaarschijnlijk dat men wel serieus werk gaat maken van de MIG-31 opvolger, een pure lange afstand interceptor.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/07/2017 | 07:54 uur
Surprise! Lockheed Martin's "Expensive" F-35 Now Costs Less than a Boeing F/A-18

http://host.madison.com/business/investment/markets-and-stocks/surprise-lockheed-martin-s-expensive-f--now-costs-less/article_056a0847-1140-5583-bcca-99fc13ea6d6a.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share via @madisondotcom
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/07/2017 | 08:20 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/07/2017 | 07:54 uur
Surprise! Lockheed Martin's "Expensive" F-35 Now Costs Less than a Boeing F/A-18


Na een weekend vol met slecht defensie nieuws, dan toch een positief punt, indien het artikel correct is, dan is de kale aanschafprijs van de F35A nu vergelijkbaar met die van de Gripen E.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 17/07/2017 | 09:17 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/07/2017 | 08:20 uur
Na een weekend vol met slecht defensie nieuws, dan toch een positief punt, indien het artikel correct is, dan is de kale aanschafprijs van de F35A nu vergelijkbaar met die van de Gripen E.

En nu de kosten per vlieguur naar beneden!!
Dan zijn we allemaal tevreden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/07/2017 | 09:19 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 17/07/2017 | 09:17 uur
En nu de kosten per vlieguur naar beneden!!
Dan zijn we allemaal tevreden.

Goed plan!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/07/2017 | 10:33 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 17/07/2017 | 10:08 uur
Ik heb het idee dat ze toch wat kosten vergeten zijn,  als ze alleen naar het grootste contract kijken.
Het zou mooi zijn, als we straks inderdaad maar 3,7 miljard kwijt zijn aan 37 toestellen. Als er geld overblijft lijkt dat me niet zo'n issue om bij te bestellen.

Vast... Poleme is altijd heel goed in het voorrekenen maar ergens heb ik het idee dat de KLu en Den Haag graag rekenen met de kale aanschaf prijs (inclusief motor) + btw.

Ongetwijfeld zullen er "wat" kosten "vergeten" zijn voor partners en niet partners die dan wellicht uit een ander potje dan de aanschaf pot zullen moeten komen.

Afgerond volgens de huidige wisselkoers is $US75 mjn ongeveer €65 mjn + 21%btw = afgerond €79 mjn.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/07/2017 | 19:37 uur
India begins talks for French Jaguar fighters

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/india-begins-talks-for-french-jaguar-fighters
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 17/07/2017 | 20:10 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/07/2017 | 10:33 uur
Vast... Poleme is altijd heel goed in het voorrekenen maar ergens heb ik het idee dat de KLu en Den Haag graag rekenen met de kale aanschaf prijs (inclusief motor) + btw.

Ongetwijfeld zullen er "wat" kosten "vergeten" zijn voor partners en niet partners die dan wellicht uit een ander potje dan de aanschaf pot zullen moeten komen.

Afgerond volgens de huidige wisselkoers is $US75 mjn ongeveer €65 mjn + 21%btw = afgerond €79 mjn.
Dat hele gdoe met de BTW is toch onzin !....de BTW vloeit zo weer de staatskas in..laat defensie in godsnaam zijn spullen BTW vrij kunnen kopen want het is toch
ook de regering zelf die die dingen koopt....zo wordt alles ook duur gemaakt en vloeit er door die grote BTW sommen weer geld van defensie naar andere potjes zoals gezondheidszorg
...uitkeringen enz enz
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 17/07/2017 | 21:10 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/07/2017 | 07:54 uur
Surprise! Lockheed Martin's "Expensive" F-35 Now Costs Less than a Boeing F/A-18

http://host.madison.com/business/investment/markets-and-stocks/surprise-lockheed-martin-s-expensive-f--now-costs-less/article_056a0847-1140-5583-bcca-99fc13ea6d6a.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share via @madisondotcom
Fake news,  of te wel Propaganda !!!!!!!!!

Het begint hier een wetmatigheid te worden.  Wordt er propaganda gepubliceerd, die zegt dat de prijs van de F-35 aan het dalen.  Dan weet je zeker dat ons 'orakel uit die messentrekker nederzetting' (Oss = JuVi) dat op dit forum neerplettert.  Zeg Jurrien, ... wordt je soms betaald door LockheedMartin ?

Kom, we gaan even terug naar 2001 / 2002, de Amerikanen leuren in Den Haag met een gelikte PowerPoint demonstratie om NL te verleiden mee te doen aan het JSF project.
Scherpzinnige geesten op MinFin prikten door hun verkoop verhaal heen, want wat die yanks allemaal beweerden kan helemaal niet.

Gerrit Zalm: "een kleine en lichtgewicht Gripen voor NLG 80 miljoen;  een middelgroot jachtvliegtuig Typhoon Tranche 3 voor NLG 120 miljoen; een Rafale F4 voor NLG 130 miljoen.
En dan komen de Amerikanen met een veel vooruitstrevender zwaargewicht, want net zo zwaar als een vol beladen F-15C Eagle, die volgens hen slechts USD 37,1 miljoen moet gaan kosten.
Kijkend naar de gemiddelde US dollar koers in de jaren 90 zou die 'JSF' dus slechts circa NLG 75 miljoen gaan kosten.  Dit kan niet !!!!
Ik (G. Zalm) ben een capabel schatkistbewaarder ( kon hij goed hoor) en ik kom uit een gezin, waar pa ondernemer was en ken die verkoop trucjes wel (Pa Zalm was kolenboer in Enkhuizen, die je goed in de gaten moest houden, dat hij wel het afgesproken hoeveelheid mud kolen afleverde, want anders sjoemelde pa Zalm.)"

Dus kwam er een onderzoek door een kennis instituut, naar een zo mogelijk geschatte prijs van het 'JSF' vliegtuig.
Hierbij keek men ook naar de ervaringen met het enigste 5de generatie jachtvliegtuig tot nu toe, de F-22A Raptor.
Conclusie: de 'JSF' gaat geschat USD 95 - 105 miljoen kosten, is gemiddeld USD 100 miljoen, plus voeg daar (i.o.v. MinFin) nog een reservering "onvoorziene kosten" toe a 10 % = USD 110 miljoen = circa NLG 220 miljoen.
Hoor - wederhoor.   LockheedMartin schermde in 2001 / 2002 met een bedrag van USD 8 miljard, dat de Nederlandse luchtvaartindustrie in totaal zou verdienen met deelname aan het JSF programma.  Waar kwam dat bedrag vandaan ?
De KLu schermde toen nog met een F-16 vervanger plangetal van 80 'JSF''s, maar intern was de toekomstige jachtvliegtuig vloot al op 66 kisten gezet.

Het Pentagon had echter ook een schatting gemaakt en kwam ook op gemiddeld USD 100 miljoen uit.
MAAR ... hier zitten geen ontwikkelingskosten in a ruwweg USD 25 miljoen per JSF kist, want "sunk costs" voor het Pentagon, maar export klanten krijgen deze kosten echter wel doorberekend.   EN deze USD 100 miljoen is de gemiddelde 'JSF' aanschaf prijs over de gehele productie !
Medio vorig decennium kwam LockheedMartin zelf met de mededeling dat de productie kosten van de F-35 pas na een totale productie van 1.600 stuks (!) structureel gaan dalen.

April 2008:  De Noorse regering vraagt een juridisch bindende Request For Information (RFI) aan voor het F-35A.
De totale (systeem) aanschafprijs tussen 2016 en 2020 van een F-35A zal liggen tussen de USD 165 en 235 miljoen = gemiddeld USD 200 miljoen.

Wil een politicus of bezorgde belastingbetaler nu uitvinden wat de werkelijke kostprijs is van een F-35.
Dat gaat moeilijk worden, de truc met de niet inbegrepen motor is inmiddels bekend.  Maar het Pentagon werkt met tientallen individuele overeenkomsten, meestal betreft het "long lead items".
Hier in Nederland kan MinDef er ook wat van en werd in 2012 op de vingers getikt door de Alg. Rekenkamer.  Door allerlei kosten voor de F-16 vervanging in deel projecten onder te brengen.
Je kunt een munt echter maar 1 keer laten rollen.  En 'onder aan de streep' gaapt uiteindelijk een flink gat in je begroting.




Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 17/07/2017 | 21:23 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 17/07/2017 | 09:17 uur
En nu de kosten per vlieguur naar beneden!!
Dan zijn we allemaal tevreden.
;D  Even goochelen en hopla.

Tijdens de kandidaten evaluatie F-16 vervanger, bleken de 'logistieke staarten' van de Rafale en 'JSF' identiek.
Rafale fabrikant Dassault claimde toen dat de Rafale Cost Per Flight Hour (CPFH) slechts 15 % boven die van de 1 motorige en lichtere Mirage 2000.
Deze claim wordt door experts met een korrel zout tot een schepje zout genomen.

Maar ... LockheedMartin en vooral het Pentagon claimde dat de CPFH van het 'JSF' 20 % LAGER zouden liggen dan die van de F-16C.
Circa 10 jaar geleden werd in het publieke domein al geschat dat de F-35 CPFH zeker 150 % hoger zouden dan die van de F-16C.
Dus dan kom je op hetzelfde CPFH als voor de F-18C Hornet.
Circa 3 a 4 jaar geleden kwamen er vanuit de US Air Force echter schattingen dat de F-35 CPFH waarschijnlijk rond de USD 50.000 komt te liggen.  Hoger dus dan van de F-15E Strike Eagle.
En in 2004 al concludeerde de KLu in een intern rapport dat de F-35A CPFH bij een realistische oefening "Red Flag", dus indicatief voor een operationele missie, belachelijk hoog zou uitkomen.  Begin dit jaar had de F-35 dan zijn vuurdoop in een "Red Flag" oefening en bleek die conclusie helaas juist.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/07/2017 | 21:39 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 17/07/2017 | 21:10 uur

Het begint hier een wetmatigheid te worden.  Wordt er propaganda gepubliceerd, die zegt dat de prijs van de F-35 aan het dalen.  Dan weet je zeker dat ons 'orakel uit die messentrekker nederzetting' (Oss = JuVi) dat op dit forum neerplettert.  Zeg Jurrien, ... wordt je soms betaald door LockheedMartin ?


Was het maar zo'n feest..

Ik weet ook dat er de prijs die genoemd is niet reëel is, maar vooralsnog ga ik er van uit dat een dalende Amerikaanse aanschafprijs ook gunstig is voor de Nederlandse aanschafprijs.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 18/07/2017 | 17:16 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/07/2017 | 21:39 uur
Was het maar zo'n feest..

Ik weet ook dat er de prijs die genoemd is niet reëel is, maar vooralsnog ga ik er van uit dat een dalende Amerikaanse aanschafprijs ook gunstig is voor de Nederlandse aanschafprijs.

Daarbij kun je ook geen appels (4th gen) met peren (5th gen) vergelijken...

Het is allemaal wel heel schattig dat die Rafale of wat dan ook maar goedkoper is maar dat is een beetje hetzelfde niveau als je kunt ook fietsen ipv de auto pakken om je te verplaatsen.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 18/07/2017 | 21:55 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/07/2017 | 21:39 uur
Was het maar zo'n feest..

Ik weet ook dat er de prijs die genoemd is niet reëel is, maar vooralsnog ga ik er van uit dat een dalende Amerikaanse aanschafprijs ook gunstig is voor de Nederlandse aanschafprijs.
Het business model van het JSF programma was gebaseerd op een zo groot mogelijk afzet volume en een (1) relatief snelle vol-continue productie (assemblage) lijn die de LightningII als 'zoete broodjes zou uitspugen'.  Zodat de productie leer-curve zo snel mogelijk zou zijn doorlopen.
Dus de F-15E, F-16AM/BM, F-16C, F-18A-D; F-18E/F Super Hornet, AV-8B Harrier, Tornado en A-10 'Warthog' vervang je door een 'one size fits all' type in 3 uitvoeringen. 
Deze uitvoeringen zouden een commonality (overeenkomen) hebben van 70 tot maar liefst 90 %.   Oorspronkelijke productie schattingen spraken over zeker 4.500 en misschien wel 6.000 'JSF''s.

Overlapping / concurrency.
De F-35 werd gekozen in oktober 2001 en de initiële productie zou al in 2008 aanvangen.  In 2015 zou de Full Rate Production aanvangen.
Eind jaren 90 en begin deze eeuw wezen experts er al op dat de ontwikkeling van deze kist in 3 varianten, waarvan een complexe STOVL kist, zeker 20 jaar zou duren.
Het JSF project begon echter in november 1996.  Dus is er sprake van een overlapping tussen ontwikkeling en productie.
Zie het als een klein kind dat alleen nog maar kan kruipen en de luiers nog vol smijt, maar al wordt gedwongen om te kunnen lopen en zelfstandig naar de WC te kunnen gaan.  Daar komen ongelukken van en die kwamen er in de vorm van gewicht overschrijdingen, men liep en loopt nog steeds van probleem / uitdaging naar probleem / uitdaging.
Bij de B-1B Lancer bommenwerper zagen we al dat dit leidt tot een onbetrouwbaar product en vele achteraf, dus moeilijke en duur uit te voeren modificaties.

Death Spiral en 'lastige' klanten.
Er zou maar een assemblage lijn in Fort Worth komen, maar aspirant klanten krijgen toch gedaan dat er een assemblage lijn komt in Italia en Japan.  Daar gaat je snelle vol-continue assemblage lijn.
De US Air Force zou in Full Rate Production zeker 120 kisten per jaar afnemen.  Maar daar zijn geen muntjes voor, dus worden het er hooguit 48 F-35A's per jaar.
In het congress zijn al meer dan 10 jaar US Air Force fighter road maps te vinden die over scenario's spreken van in totaal slechts 325, 480 of 858 F-35A's voor de USAF.
De US Navy zou eigelijk helemaal geen F-35C's willen, maar meer F-18E/F's en F-18G Growlers.  De Britse switch van F-35C naar F-35B zou wel eens een teken aan de wand kunnen zijn.

Over-ambitie.
De System Development & Demonstration (SDD) zou oorspronkelijk 10 jaar duren, van 2002 tot en met 2012, met daarop aansluitend een Initial Operational Test & Evaluation (IOT&E) van 2,5 jaar, daarna de Milestone C met Full Rate Production.  Het SDD test vluchten schema was agressief.  Want slechts 17 % van alle tests hoefden ook echt in het 'echie' te worden gehouden.  De resterende 83 % zou worden gedaan met simulaties, laboratorium tests en bureau onderzoeken !  :(
Ik heb zeer ingewikkelde simulaties meegemaakt, maar uiteindelijk bleek er een 40 % discrepantie met de harde werkelijkheid.

Hopelijk is de SDD fase volgend jaar juli afgerond, MAAR ... kan echter gemakkelijk uitlopen naar 2019 of 2020.
Hier haalt men een heel smerig trucje uit.  Bepaalde test delen van de SDD fase worden overgeslagen en (stilletjes) overgeheveld naar de IOT&E.  Of zelfs daar niet uitgevoerd, dat moeten de jachtvliegers dan maar proef ondervindelijk zie net ontdekken.  Met alle gevolgen van dien.    >:(

En dan zijn er US Air Force generaals en US Navy admiraals , die zowel openlijk als achter de schermen lobbyen voor versnelling van de zesde generatie 'F/A-XX'.  Zodat deze in de jaren 30 in productie en gebruik kan worden genomen. 
Budget dat al voor de Follow On Modernization (FoM) was gereserveerd, wordt nu stilletjes verschoven naar de IOT&E, die officieel nu maar 1 jaar gaat duren.  Een jaar ? Dream on.

Conclusie: het JSF business model is compleet verneukt.  Je nieuwe jachtbommenwerper komt in ieder geval 7 jaar te laat op de markt.

Waarom werd de F-16 Fighting Falcon ook weer een succes ?
Het kwam op het juiste moment op de markt.
Het heeft het beste prijs - kwaliteit verhouding van alle vierde generatie jachtvliegtuigen.

What a Mess !!!    En je gehoopte dalende aanschafprijs komt er dus nooit.


Lees tip:  https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-spends-billions-on-flawed-fighter-jets-qrtj95kvh?shareToken=48def4de799cfdbb2021c6c4c504183c
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/07/2017 | 07:42 uur
Russia Says It Has Plans For Not One, but Two More All-New Combat Aircraft

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/12636/russia-says-it-has-plans-for-not-one-but-two-more-all-new-combat-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/07/2017 | 07:52 uur
Russia transitioning to building 12 PAK FA stealth fighters per year starting in 2019 | NextBigFuture.com

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/07/russia-transitioning-to-building-12-pak-fa-stealth-fighters-per-year-starting-in-2019.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/07/2017 | 09:08 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 20/07/2017 | 08:18 uur
Laat die Roebels maar rollen.

Eerst zien.... aan de andere kant, de Russen zijn de Saoedi voorbij met olie productie...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/07/2017 | 10:22 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 20/07/2017 | 10:15 uur
Het zwarte goud is ook niet alles.
Ze hebben ook de industriële basis niet om even 4 nieuwe toestellen te ontwikkelen.

Het lijkt mij ook een stap te ver, dus afwachten wat er van die snode plannen ooit terecht komt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/07/2017 | 07:36 uur
Brazilian Navy makes moves towards potential new Gripen maritime fighters | Jane's 360

http://www.janes.com/article/72490/brazilian-navy-makes-moves-towards-potential-new-gripen-maritime-fighters#.WXGSvCeH1MA.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 21/07/2017 | 09:14 uur
Mmmhhh, zonder carrier is zoiets natuurlijk niet meer dan een vergezochte aanname.
Kan natuurlijk in die richting gaan, maar ik denk dat BRA ondertussen wel andere (economische) katten te geselen heeft ipv van het heropstarten van een MLVD. Want die carrier gaat een nieuwtje moeten worden dan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/07/2017 | 09:36 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 21/07/2017 | 09:14 uur
Mmmhhh, zonder carrier is zoiets natuurlijk niet meer dan een vergezochte aanname.
Kan natuurlijk in die richting gaan, maar ik denk dat BRA ondertussen wel andere (economische) katten te geselen heeft ipv van het heropstarten van een MLVD. Want die carrier gaat een nieuwtje moeten worden dan.

Als ze ooit al weer het geld hebben dan zal het nieuwe Franse model hoog op het verlanglijstje komen te staan...

Als Nederland ooit 2 LHD's overweegt, dan zouden ze wat mij betreft ook deze in de overweging mogen meenemen.

DCNS: PA2 Future French Aircraft Carrier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O_JbqED5X8
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 21/07/2017 | 10:51 uur
PA2 kan de Marine Nationale ondertussen wel op haar buik schrijven, met Macron aan het roer...
Met besparingen is er gewoonweg geen geld voor zo'n Capital Unit.
Tenzij de Fransen het op zijn Brits aanpakken en het ten koste gaat van andere marine/krijgsmachtonderdelen.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/07/2017 | 11:27 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 21/07/2017 | 10:51 uur
PA2 kan de Marine Nationale ondertussen wel op haar buik schrijven, met Macron aan het roer...
Met besparingen is er gewoonweg geen geld voor zo'n Capital Unit.
Tenzij de Fransen het op zijn Brits aanpakken en het ten koste gaat van andere marine/krijgsmachtonderdelen.

Macron is over 4 jaar weer weg...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 21/07/2017 | 11:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/07/2017 | 11:27 uur
Macron is over 4 jaar weer weg...

5 jaar 😉
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/07/2017 | 11:53 uur
Citaat van: Mourning op 21/07/2017 | 11:49 uur
5 jaar 😉

Kunnen ze in 2022 mooi de bouwopdracht geven.... zijn we wel in 2032+ aanbeland voordat ze operationeel rondvaart, maar dat is dan weer een ander verhaal.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ros op 21/07/2017 | 12:26 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/07/2017 | 11:53 uur
Kunnen ze in 2022 mooi de bouwopdracht geven.... zijn we wel in 2032+ aanbeland voordat ze operationeel rondvaart, maar dat is dan weer een ander verhaal.

Je weet al wie Macron gaat opvolgen en wat de koers dan gaat worden ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/07/2017 | 12:59 uur
Citaat van: Ros op 21/07/2017 | 12:26 uur
Je weet al wie Macron gaat opvolgen en wat de koers dan gaat worden ?

Na 2 keer achtereenvolgend links zal er het e.e.a. hersteld moeten worden, je ziet overal wat voor desastreuze gevolgen linkse hordes achter zich laten...

En wie dat gaat doen? Geen idee, het zal wellicht een puinruimer moeten worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 21/07/2017 | 13:06 uur
Macron is veel, maar niet links...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/07/2017 | 13:27 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 21/07/2017 | 13:06 uur
Macron is veel, maar niet links...

Sociaal liberaal uit een links nest.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 21/07/2017 | 20:00 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/07/2017 | 13:27 uur
Sociaal liberaal uit een links nest.

Franse D66er?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/07/2017 | 20:02 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 21/07/2017 | 20:00 uur
Franse D66er?

Emmanuel Macron

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Macron
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/07/2017 | 09:54 uur
Speed and range could be key for Navy's next fighter jet

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/speed-and-range-could-be-key-for-navys-next-fighter-jet
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/07/2017 | 10:18 uur
Franco-German fighter jet plans threaten to leave UK grounded

https://www.ft.com/content/16c8cca6-6bd6-11e7-bfeb-33fe0c5b7eaa via @FT
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 24/07/2017 | 12:01 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/07/2017 | 19:39 uur
Het goede nieuws van vandaag!

France and Germany to Develop New European Fighter Jet

By REUTERS JULY 13, 2017, 11:51 A.M. E.D.T.

PARIS — France and Germany unveiled plans on Thursday to develop a European fighter jet, burying past rivalries as part of a raft of measures to tighten defense and security cooperation.
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"It is a sign to the British. It means 'you are leaving the EU and we are driving forward. We are no longer interested in you blocking the EU on defense'," a senior German defense industry official told Reuters.
BRITAIN OUT ON A LIMB?
The joint declaration did not say what role, if any, Britain would play in the Franco-German-led development. The country is Europe's biggest defense spender and a partner in the Eurofighter project alongside Germany, Spain and Italy.

France and the United Kingdom - both permanent U.N. Security Council members with close defense and security ties - agreed to cooperate on nuclear and missiles technology in 2010, but some French officials have expressed concerns about the impact of Brexit on defense.

Some analysts and defense officials said the Franco-German push to create a new fighter could drive Britain further toward industrial and defense cooperation with the United States.

Currently, Britain has a foot in both camps through the Lockheed Martin F-35 and a share of the Eurofighter program through BAE.

"It is almost inevitable that the UK would consider a new partnership with America for the next generation of fighters," said Alexandra Ashbourne-Walmsley, associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, a think-tank based in London.

"The UK has accepted that it can't build another fighter on its own, both as a natural evolution from the F-35 program and also because of economies of scale since having a small part of a U.S. project is worth more than a Franco-German program."

However, Thursday's declaration is also seen by some as just the opening move in a long and unpredictable European negotiation affecting defense firms including BAE and its Eurofighter partners Airbus and Leonardo.

Paris and Berlin also agreed to set up a cooperation framework for the next model of the Airbus Tiger attack helicopter and for tactical air-to-ground missiles.

In addition, they will work together on procuring ground systems including heavy tanks and artillery and said a contract was expected to be signed before 2019 for the military "Eurodrone" project, which also includes Italy.

(Additional reporting by Jean-Baptiste Vey and Michel Rose; editing by Andrew Callus and David Clarke)
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https://nyti.ms/2ucXgGJ
Frankrijk en Duitsland samen als (misschien) leading nations in een nieuw defensie project ?

De jachtvliegtuig markt is als een piramide.  De top modellen a la F-22A Raptor, Tornado, F-15E zitten in de qua afzet volume / omzet in een (heel) klein markt segment.
Van goedkope types a la MiG-21, F-5, F-16 en Mirage III in het onderste, dus in volume het grootste deel van de piramide, werden er echter duizenden van verkocht.
De Mirage 2000 zit qua gewichtklasse in die van de 7,5 tons F-16 en Mirage III.   Conceptueel gezien is het echter een mini F-15 Eagle.   Dus ook qua aanschafprijs echter niet veel onder bijvoorbeeld die van de 14 tons Tornado.  Dus deze Mirage 2000 kwam in het midden segment van de jachtvliegtuig markt, uiteraard met een bijbehorende veel lagere afzet.
De 2 motorige Rafale F1 /F2 en F3 hebben een Cost Per Flight Hour die ruwweg 1,5 keer hoger ligt dan die van de F-16C.  En gezien de gepeperde aanschafprijs behoort deze "Windstoot" (= rafale) tot het hoogste deel van het midden segment tot het onderste deel van het top mark segment.

Echter, ... de Franse economie is de laatste decennia structureel aan het teruglopen.
Ik kom regelmatig in Frankrijk, afgelopen weekend nog in Marseille en Paris.  En vele economen beschouwen de Franse economie als een tijdbom, die waarschijnlijk een zelfde implosie gaat meemaken als ... Griekenland.
Eurofighter en Panavia (Tornado) partner land Italia is feitelijk slechter af met de Euro munt dan met de Lire.
In mijn ogen is het een kwestie van tijd voordat Rome 'valt'.  Valt Rome uit de Euro zone, dan valt de hele Euro zone in elkaar als een mislukte kaas soufflé.

Beter is het dan om te mikken op een 1 motorig vijfde generatie Europees jachtvliegtuig, die maximaal in de 7,5 tons klasse zit en misschien zelfs in de 6,8 ton JAS39A - D Gripen klasse.   Producent: Airbus Military Aircraft.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/07/2017 | 12:18 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 24/07/2017 | 12:01 uur
Beter is het dan om te mikken op een 1 motorig vijfde generatie Europees jachtvliegtuig, die maximaal in de 7,5 tons klasse zit en misschien zelfs in de 6,8 ton JAS39A - D Gripen klasse.   Producent: Airbus Military Aircraft.

Voor zo ver het er ooit van komt, een meer autonoom Europa, we zullen dan voor het top segment afhankelijk blijven van import modellen...  is dat wat we willen?

Voor een 5e gen. Gripen klassen kan Saab, volgens mij, relatief gemakkelijk haar FS2020 uit de lade halen en het concept aanpassen naar FS2040.

Zoals altijd: pecunia en belangen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 24/07/2017 | 13:03 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 18/07/2017 | 17:16 uur
Daarbij kun je ook geen appels (4th gen) met peren (5th gen) vergelijken...

Het is allemaal wel heel schattig dat die Rafale of wat dan ook maar goedkoper is maar dat is een beetje hetzelfde niveau als je kunt ook fietsen ipv de auto pakken om je te verplaatsen.
Raspaarden en schattige 'dinky toy's'.

"Is dat 'em nou  :hrmph: "
Ik zal het nooit meer vergeten toen ik voor het eerst een F-16A zag.
Een klein, licht, goedkoop en relatief eenvoudig jachtvliegtuig, waarbij men geleerd had van de slechte ervaringen met te grote, zware, complexe en dure jachtvliegtuigen in de Vietnam oorlog.
En het deed mij direct weer verlangen naar het '104' raspaard met zijn robuuste motor, dat echter fouten niet vergaf.  Maar wel capabeler / vaardiger was dan die F-16A/B 'Electric Jet'.
Het 104 bul deed in de jaren 60 echter 6 miljoen gulden (EUR 2,73 miljoen), voor die tijd duur.
In 1966 besloot de Koninklijke Luchtmacht de F-84F Thunderstreak jachtbommenwerper te vervangen.  Kandidaten waren o.a. de A-4 Skyhawk en A-7 CorsairII.  De A-7 CorsairII was zijn tijd ver vooruit qua (avionica) vaardigheden en had de beste prestaties.  Zo heeft de A-7E een nuttige lading - bereik verhouding die superieur is aan een van vervangers, de F-18 Hornet en was het ook zeer geschikt als Close Air Support kist.  Zagen de Amerikanen de A-7 als een relatief goedkope oplossing.
In Nederland vond men hem echter te duur !  En dat tijdens de Koude Oorlog, toen MinDef veel meer te besteden had.
Dus koos men voor de veel lichtere, kleinere, goedkopere en aanzienlijk minder capabele NF-5A Freedom Fighter.  Deze kleine 'horzel', was gemakkelijk te vliegen en te onderhouden en vormde uiteindelijk een betrouwbaar brokje afschrikking.
Noorwegen koos ook voor dit schattige 'dinky-toy', de Belgen gingen voor een vereenvoudigde versie van het Mirage III, de Mirage 5.
In Duitsland en Italia was het niet anders, terwijl de A-7 CorsairII perfect in toenmalige NAVO strategie paste, werd ook hier voor een veel lichtere, simpelere en goedkope oplossing gekozen in de vorm van de Fiat G.91 'Gina'.  zie: https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=639

Zowel de F-5A als de Fiat G.91 waren gemakkelijk te vliegen en te onderhouden en te repareren.  En beide konden vanaf onverharde startbanen opereren.
De G.91 werd bij de Luftwaffe eigenlijk te laat vervangen en dan ook nog eens door een bewapende variant van de Alpha Jet trainer !
Dit was een (zogenaamd) goedkope oplossing, want bijna net zo duur als onze F-16A/B.  Terwijl men voor een veel capabelere oplossing in de vorm van de A-10 ThunderboltII had kunnen gaan.

Dan maken we even een sprongetje naar ops Unified Protector boven Libya in 2011.
De Amerikanen klaagden toen over de kosten van de te lanceren Tomahawk 'kruisraketten'.
De Europese luchtmachten hadden echter te maken met grote munitie tekorten.  En na de lucht operaties boven Libya klaagde een Italiaanse luchtmacht generaal terecht over TE dure en TE complexe jachtbommenwerpers a la Tornado, Typhoon en Rafale.
De 1 motorige A-7 CorsairII, toevallig een zelfde leeggewicht van 8,7 ton als de F-16 block 50/52, zou ideaal zijn boven Afghanistan of Libya.
De kleinere, compacte, lichtere en volgens Keep It Simple Stupid principe ontworpen A-4 Skyhawk / 'Bantam Bomber' is ideaal voor boven Irak.  Gezien zijn zijn kleinere nuttige lading - bereik verhouding, maar ook nog goed genoeg voor ops zoals uitgevoerd boven Afghanistan en Libya.
En een 21 eeuwse variant op het A-7 CorsairII (concept) zou uitstekend passen in een doctrine tegen de huidige en toekomstige dreigingen uitgaand van Rusland en China.

The jet was an incredible mix of just enough kinetic performance, game-changing technology, and a lot of gas and bomb lugging ability, that all came together to be an aircraft that may have been just too logical in retrospect and more suited for the battlefields of today than yesterday. In fact, some thought it greatly deserved one more evolutionary iteration, known as the A-7F "Strikefighter."

Greece always prized the jet for its incredibly long range (it could self-deploy across the Atlantic), reliability, massive bomb carrying ability, and incredible stability as a low altitude penetration and bombing platform.
This led to the jet's indigenous motto: "Fly low and strike hard."

The A-7 / 'SLUF's' (Short Little Ugly Fucker) unique qualities were made even more stark as it operated alongside increasingly modern platforms in Hellenic Air Force service, such as the Mirage 2000 and the F-16 Block 52+. Although these jets were far faster, more manueverable, and featured cutting edge technologies, none packed the bomb-truck qualities or ruggedness of the SLUF. Nor were these supersonic fighters outfitted with armor surrounding the cockpit and critical systems for close air support survivability like the A-7 had.
zie: https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-a-7-corsair-ii-has-finally-takes-its-last-flight-af-1651178309

EN   http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/can-we-learn-something-from-the-defunct-a-7f-strikefig-1591155307

Can we learn something from the defunct A-7F Strikefighter?
JA !


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/07/2017 | 08:33 uur
In Brazilie zijn ze nog aan het kijken wat de optie's er zijn, Naval Gripen E of toch geupgrade bestaande Skyhawks ... Veel onzeker !

Brazilian Navy re-considering Skyhawk modernisation programme

The Brazilian Navy is re-considering the number of Boeing (Douglas) AF-1/AF-1A Skyhawk (A-4KU and TA-4KU) fighters to be modernised by Embraer Defesa & Segurança to the AF-1B/C standard, the service told Jane's .

The final total number of modernised jets is being re-evaluated due to budget constraints, and the decision is being made to demobilise the São Paulo (A 12) aircraft carrier, from which the aircraft would fly. However, this is balanced with hopes to preserve carrier-based operational experience. Several scenarios with varying aircraft numbers are being considered, and Embraer was asked to provide cost estimates for the potential changes.

http://www.janes.com/article/72561/brazilian-navy-re-considering-skyhawk-modernisation-programme
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/07/2017 | 08:45 uur
WATCH: Russia's Su-35 Wows Crowds at MAKS and Beyond       WWWAAAAUUUWWWW ....  :confused:

Russia's Su-35 fighter jet wowed crowds this week at the MAKS 2017 airshow outside Moscow, according to multiple reports on social media.

The twin-engine aircraft designed by Sukhoi carrying the NATO reporting name Flanker-E performed feats of aerial acrobatics that stunned even longtime aviation enthusiasts on social media.

"I mean, come on," Stephen Trimble, aviation reporter and editor for Flightglobal's Americas bureau, tweeted Thursday after seeing footage of the aircraft's demonstration. "And people actually thought the F-35A display at Paris last month was impressive. This isn't impressive. It's unbelievable."

Others described the maneuvers as "insane" and "against the laws of physics," and said they'll "make your head explode."


The single-engine F-35 wasn't designed for air-to-air superiority, so it's hard to imagine a Joint Strike Fighter going up against an Su-35 in a dogfight. More likely, an F-35 would radio for help from an F-22 Raptor, a twin-engine stealth fighter with more speed and maneuverability.

Even so, observers couldn't help but notice the differences between the two aircraft's recent high-profile aerial demonstrations.

The Su-35 is among the aircraft that Russia expects will fuel more export business this year.

https://www.defensetech.org/2017/07/20/watch-russias-su-35-wows-crowds-maks/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/07/2017 | 08:54 uur
Saudi Arabia looks to buy Scorpion light attack aircraft  .. zou dit de eerste order worden, USAF volgt ?

Saudi Arabia is in talks over the possible orders of the batch of Scorpion light attack aircraft. That was reported by FlightGlobal.com.

According to Scott Donnelly, chief executive of parent company Textron, Saudia Arabia is one of a number of customers it is in talks with over the developmental aircraft.

....

http://defence-blog.com/news/saudi-arabia-looks-to-buy-scorpion-light-attack-aircraft.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/07/2017 | 09:16 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 25/07/2017 | 08:56 uur
Ik weet niet of al die acrobatenkunstjes in een gevecht wat bijdragen, maar wtf.
Dit is wel serieuze manouvrebility.

Idd, dat was ook wat ik dacht.
Jemig, in Close Air to Air gevecht.. zeg ik ja ... om bijna stil te staan in de lucht en om te draaien of om je as draaien en verder te vliegen ... WAAAUUWWW.
Bij zo'n manoeuvre zou een achtervolgend "jager" vliegtuig doorschieten en dan juist de "prooi" worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 25/07/2017 | 12:00 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 25/07/2017 | 08:56 uur
Ik weet niet of al die acrobatenkunstjes in een gevecht wat bijdragen, maar wtf.
Dit is wel serieuze manouvrebility.
;D  Ach, ik weet nog goed toen de Russen dit soort manoeuvres, zoals de Cobra manoeuvre, eind jaren 80 en nineties uitvoerden tijdens luchtvaart shows.
Een Deense Saab Draken vlieger: Dat kan ik ook, zonder wapens en een minimum aan peut.  En hij deed het dan ook met een kist ontworpen in de jaren 50 !
Een Franse demo vlieger liet ook zien dat een Mirage 2000 zeer wendbaar is.  Vloog tijdens een evenement in Duitsland zelfs achterwaarts met een vaart van 185 km/u.

En dan hebben we nog de F-18 Hornet met zijn trapezium vormige vleugels met een pijlhoek van slechts 20 graden.
Deze kist vliegt nog bij lage snelheden, waarbij de F-16 als een piano naar beneden komt vallen.
Heeft niet alleen tijdens luchtvaart shows indrukwekkende manoeuvres laten zien.  Maar veel belangrijker, ook tijdens realistische oefeningen en gaf dan (in een one-cirkle fight) MiG-29 en F-15 en F-16 vliegers het nakijken.
Een F-18E/F Hornet demo met 6 externe lasten die in totaal 2.948 kg wegen:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-_OWMDN64M

Net voor de Vietnam oorlog dachten de US Air Force nog dat luchtgevechten iets van het verleden was.
De machtige F-4D Phantom met zijn vier AIM-7 Sparrow's zou alles op lange afstand neerhalen.
De werkelijkheid was veel weerbarstiger en liet zien dat kleine, lichte, eenvoudige en goedkope kisten a la MiG-19 en MiG-21 zeer waardige tegenstanders kunnen zijn.
Dus kwamen door die oorlog ervaringen er het F-16 en F-18 bul.

Nu horen we weer dezelfde verhalen: de 'JSF' heeft 'AMRAAM'S' en een superieur omstandigheden overzicht.
De F-35 heeft nogal veel gemeen met die vroegere Joint Strike Fighter, de F-4 Phantom en ook wat met de F-105 Thunderchief en F-111 Aardvark.
De F-35 is net als de F-111 een idee van politici, niet van jongens die met 'de poten in de modder' hebben gestaan en / of visie hebben wat we echt nodig hebben.
Die Thunderchief werd door MiG vliegers boven Vietnam als gemakkelijk doelwit gezien.

De F-35A LightiningII is irrelevant zonder de F-22A Raptor.  En laat daar nu zo ongeveer 110 kisten van operationeel zijn.  In het Pentagon is dit type niet populair, dus verwacht dat de Raptor vanaf 2030 uitgefaseerd gaat worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 03/08/2017 | 10:03 uur
Stealth Necessary But Not Sufficient: Add EW, Intel, Tactics

http://breakingdefense.com/2017/08/stealth-add-ew-careful-planning-spoofing-intel/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 03/08/2017 | 12:22 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 03/08/2017 | 10:03 uur
Stealth Necessary But Not Sufficient: Add EW, Intel, Tactics

http://breakingdefense.com/2017/08/stealth-add-ew-careful-planning-spoofing-intel/
Propaganda van het Mitchell Institute ten behoeve van de US Air Force.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: vlincent op 09/08/2017 | 21:17 uur
Thales progresses laser-guided BAT-120 munition

Thales, with support from the Direction générale de l'armement (DGA) – the French government defence procurement and technology agency – is progressing the development of a new 120 mm laser-guided, unpowered, air-to-surface munition evolved from the legacy Thomson Brandt Armements 120 mm Bombe d'Appui Tactique (BAT-120) tactical support bomb.

Weighing 35 kg, with a 10 kg high-explosive warhead, BAT-120LG retains the airframe of the legacy BAT-120, but introduces the laser-guidance sub-assembly of the Thales Aculeus LG 68 mm laser-guided induction rocket, which is currently being qualified with the French Ministry of Defence (MoD), and its evolution for the laser guidance solution of the developmental Thales 120 mm guided mortar round (Munition Guidée de Mortier – MGM), currently under technical evaluation by the MoD, to create a 120 mm laser-guidance front-end assembly.

The semi-active laser seeker, inertial measurement unit, battery, electronic controller unit, and a modified software package are all derived from the Aculeus LG, while the control actuator system is adapted from the MGM round. Both the forward canard array and the aft swept-back fold-out cruciform fin assembly have been re-designed for improved aerodynamics.

Matthieu Krouri, Senior Manager for Airborne Weapon Systems at Thales told Jane's that the idea is to leverage the existing 'Systeme d'Emport Multi Bombe' – a unique multiple munition carriage system developed by Thomson Brandt Armements for the earlier 'Bombe Anti Piste' 100 (BAP 100) and later BAT-120 munitions, which allows the carriage of nine munitions on a single aircraft station – by designing an advanced munition with the same fit, form and safe separation function of the BAT-120. A digital interface to the stores is contained within the carriage system, which means that the host platform does not need to be modified for BAT-120LG integration. While the release sequence, range to target, and laser code data is uploaded before flight, this is not an induction-launch capability akin to the Telson launcher developed by Thales for its induction-launched family of air-to-surface rockets.

Bron: http://www.janes.com/article/72985/thales-progresses-laser-guided-bat-120-munition

Iets voor de F35? Licht en goedkoop.  Vraag me af als de Fransen dit ook willen kunnen toepassen voor de F35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/08/2017 | 07:58 uur
IAF to Get Another 36 Rafale Combat Aircraft

http://theindiasaga.com/defence-security/iaf-to-get-another-36-rafale-combat-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/08/2017 | 08:08 uur
What should we expect from successor to stealthy F-22 fighter?

http://memeburn.com/2017/08/f-22-successor-fighter/ via @memeburn
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 23/08/2017 | 10:57 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/08/2017 | 07:58 uur
IAF to Get Another 36 Rafale Combat Aircraft
Interessant... Dat zou het totaal al op 72 brengen.
Wel goed om te weten dat men de Rafale M overweegt voor de carrier...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 23/08/2017 | 13:45 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 23/08/2017 | 10:57 uur
Interessant... Dat zou het totaal al op 72 brengen.
Wel goed om te weten dat men de Rafale M overweegt voor de carrier...

Dan moet men wel eerst een carrier hebben om deze vanaf te vliegen en iets zelf ontwerpen is wel een groot probleem voor de Indiërs.
Het bouwen van een 262 m lange kleine carrier duurt al 14 jaar (2009 - 2023) en dan moet alles nog maar meezitten wat ook vaak iets is waar India last van heeft.

Over de bouw van een Holland klasse formaat korvetten bouwt india 8 a 9 jaar per schip, de plannen voor een echte nucleaire carrier  zullen we moeten zien voor 2050 of er zal een ontwerp aangekocht moeten worden van bijvoorbeeld de Franse.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 23/08/2017 | 14:36 uur
Ik ga er van uit dat de Rafale M gebruikt kan worden op carriers met ski-jump.
De Indiers moeten nog beginnen aan de bouw van hun eerste CATOBAR carrier...
Dat ze reeds over Russische toestellen beschikken lijkt hen niet te storen in deze.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/08/2017 | 07:26 uur
The F-22 Raptor's Replacement Is Starting to Take Shape

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a27890/penetrating-counter-air-f-22-raptor-replacement/ via @PopMech
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/08/2017 | 11:53 uur
Ook nieuws over de motoren van de KF-X

Cobham to provide KF-X missile launchers (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/cobham-to-provide-kf-x-missile-launchers-440532/)

FlightGlobal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 24/08/2017 | 12:02 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 24/08/2017 | 11:53 uur
Ook nieuws over de motoren van de KF-X

Cobham to provide KF-X missile launchers (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/cobham-to-provide-kf-x-missile-launchers-440532/)

FlightGlobal


??? Wat hebben missile launchers met motoren te maken? Appels en peren!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/08/2017 | 12:08 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 24/08/2017 | 12:02 uur

??? Wat hebben missile launchers met motoren te maken? Appels en peren!

Beide hebben ook niets met elkaar te maken. Eerder was er nog niet zoveel bekend over de motorkeuze van de KF-X. Nu wordt de GE F414 genoemd. Daarom begon ik met het woord ook  ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 24/08/2017 | 14:59 uur
Landen die 5th generation ontwikkelen

VS: F-22 Raptor, F-35 Lightning II

Rusland: Sukhoi SU-57 (voormalig PAK FA T-50), Mikoyan Mig LMFS (in ontwikkeling)

China: Chengdu J-20, Shenyang J-31 (in ontwikkeling)

Japan: Mitsubishi F-3 Shinshin (in ontwikkeling)

Turkije: TAI TF-X (in ontwikkeling)

Zweden: Flygsystem 2020 (in ontwikkeling)

Zuid Korea: ADD C103 (in ontwikkeling)

Indië: HAL (AMCA) (in ontwikkeling)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/08/2017 | 16:02 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 24/08/2017 | 14:59 uur
Landen die 5th generation ontwikkelen

VS: F-22 Raptor, F-35 Lightning II

Rusland: Sukhoi SU-57 (voormalig PAK FA T-50), Mikoyan Mig LMFS (in ontwikkeling)

China: Chengdu J-20, Shenyang J-31 (in ontwikkeling)

Japan: Mitsubishi F-3 Shinshin (in ontwikkeling)

Turkije: TAI TF-X (in ontwikkeling)

Zweden: Flygsystem 2020 (in ontwikkeling)

Zuid Korea: ADD C103 (in ontwikkeling)

Indië: HAL (AMCA) (in ontwikkeling)

Zweden kan van de lijst... FS2020 was VOORDAT men de keuze maakte om zich te richten op de Gripen E/F.

Daarnaast kan je Duitsland icm met Frankrijk toevoegen, beide landen hebben een overeenkomst gesloten om gezamenlijk een Typhoon/Rafale opvolger te ontwikkelen.

Voor Rusland mag je (if ever) een 3e toevoegen, de opvolger van de MIG-31.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/08/2017 | 16:09 uur
Franse luchtmacht maakt zich zorgen om F-35: "We worden overklast"

http://www.dm.be/s/ax4c72df7/RMAFa via @demorgen
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 24/08/2017 | 17:20 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/08/2017 | 16:09 uur
Franse luchtmacht maakt zich zorgen om F-35: "We worden overklast"

http://www.dm.be/s/ax4c72df7/RMAFa via @demorgen

Ach wat kan je hier over zeggen, de Fransen lopen jaren achter op het gebied van 5th gen fighters. Ze hebben er bewust voor gekozen om geen 5th gen te ontwikkelen en dan gaan ze nu klagen.
Er zijn 2 keuzes voor Frankrijk : het verlies nemen en de focus leggen op 6th gen fighter (2035+) of in zeer korte tijd er een 5th gen uitpersen om mee te kunnen komen met de rest.

De kans dat Belgie kiest voor de F-35 is wat mij betreft al 75% of hoger.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/08/2017 | 10:05 uur
Improved jet engines are key to longer range sixth gen fighter and improved F35 | NextBigFuture.com

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/08/improved-jet-engines-are-key-to-longer-range-sixth-gen-fighter-and-improved-f35.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/08/2017 | 10:28 uur
F-35A Ready for Action in the Pacific if Necessary, SecAF Says | DoD Buzz

https://www.dodbuzz.com/2017/08/25/f-35a-ready-action-pacific-necessary-secaf-says/#.WaExEaQqSSE.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/08/2017 | 11:20 uur
New Russian MiG interceptor will be able to operate in space – developer's CEO

https://www.rt.com/news/400687-russian-mig-interceptor-space/#.WaE9JdMFOLk.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/08/2017 | 12:20 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/08/2017 | 11:20 uur
New Russian MiG interceptor will be able to operate in space – developer's CEO

https://www.rt.com/news/400687-russian-mig-interceptor-space/#.WaE9JdMFOLk.twitter

Te ontvangen midden de 20's

Hoe vordert de Russische maanbasis?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 26/08/2017 | 14:12 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/08/2017 | 11:20 uur
New Russian MiG interceptor will be able to operate in space – developer's CEO

https://www.rt.com/news/400687-russian-mig-interceptor-space/#.WaE9JdMFOLk.twitter
Het zou dan gaan om de MiG 41.
De MiG 31 heeft ook hoogte bereikt van zo'n 35 -37km. Volgens mij enkel recht omhoog en niet over recht stuk gevlogen.

Maar het lijkt mij iets te mooi om waar te zijn dat de Russen (of wie dan ook) een toestel kunnen ontwikkelen binnen 5-10 jaar dat nog hoger kan vliegen, Mach 4 kan halen en met lasers doelen kan aanvallen.
Niet dat het onmogelijk is, denk aan de SR-71 Blackbird, die kan/ kon dat ook, maar wel met serieuze implicaties:
- SR-71 kon niet volgetankt opstijgen omdat het toestel 'lek' was bij lage temperatuur. Werd tijdens de vlucht bijgetankt.
- Door de wrijving door de hoge snelheid werd de buitenkant van het toestel zo'n 400 Celsius
- Na landing moest het een half uur afkoelen voordat grondpersoneel er iets mee konden doen
- Piloten moesten ruimtepakken dragen

Leuk zo'n toestel, maar zeer onpraktisch. Afgezien of het haalbaar is dat de Russen die kunnen maken.
Vergeet niet de RT een propaganda zender is van het Kremlin.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/08/2017 | 12:46 uur
Israel finalizes agreements to buy 17 more F-35 jets

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-finalizes-agreements-to-buy-17-more-f-35-jets/ via @timesofisrael
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 30/08/2017 | 11:01 uur
Israel to sell F-16As with upgrade package    ( .. gat in de markt ? ... met zoveel F-16's in omloop ! )

Normally fierce rivals, Elbit Systems and Israel Aerospace Industries are co-operating on an upgrade package for elderly Lockheed Martin F-16As.

Israel retired its "Netz" fighters earlier this year and is now looking to sell the 40-strong inventory, which would be extensively modernised by the partners.

No details of the enhancements has been revealed, but the Israeli air force previously upgraded of its F-16C/Ds under the "Barak 2020" initiative.

The aircraft gained an avionics and mission system enhancement, as well as structural strengthening.

Modifications will begin only when a customer has signed for the aircraft.

The F-16As have been in Israeli service since 1980, but most recently have been employed as aggressor aircraft for training missions.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/israel-to-sell-f-16as-with-upgrade-package-440657/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 30/08/2017 | 15:23 uur
De Israeli's hebben voordien ook KFIR-toestellen verkocht aan
- Ecuador,
- Colombia en
- Sri Lanka
(Argentinie heeft blijkbaar ook geprobeerd maar daarvan lijkt niets van terechtgekomen - weet niet of dat te maken heeft met betalingsproblemen, dan wel druk van andere landen).

Met het proberen te verpatsen van hun F-16's hebben de Israeli's natuurlijk een gigantisch probleem: indien de US 'Neen' zeggen dan is het juist dat...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 30/08/2017 | 15:37 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 30/08/2017 | 15:23 uur
Met het proberen te verpatsen van hun F-16's hebben de Israeli's natuurlijk een gigantisch probleem: indien de US 'Neen' zeggen dan is het juist dat...

Geld dat niet alleen wanneer op FMS basis is gekocht?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/09/2017 | 08:20 uur
Reality Check: Russia's Stealth Fighter

http://theavion.com/reality-check-russias-stealth-fighter/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/09/2017 | 10:48 uur
Canada considering RAAF classic Hornets? (http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/09/canada-considering-raaf-classic-hornets/)

Australian Aviation
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/09/2017 | 17:16 uur
Vervanging F-16's – Frankrijk wil samen met België Rafale-gevechtsvliegtuigen aankopen

https://nl.metrotime.be/2017/09/07/news/vervanging-f-16s-frankrijk-wil-samen-met-belgie-rafale-gevechtsvliegtuigen-aankopen/ via @metrobelgie
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/09/2017 | 17:25 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/09/2017 | 17:16 uur
Vervanging F-16's – Frankrijk wil samen met België Rafale-gevechtsvliegtuigen aankopen


Als een konijntje uit een hoge hoed.... benieuwd hoe de reactie zal zijn, zeer vermoedelijk een "Non, merci" maar... bij politici weet je het nooit 100% zeker.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/09/2017 | 10:30 uur
Vervanging F-16's: Vandeput beslist nog niet over nieuw Frans voorstel

http://www.knack.be/s/r/c/897859 via @knack
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/09/2017 | 10:39 uur
Vandeput heeft twee vogels in de hand en één in de lucht

http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20170908_03060222
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/09/2017 | 10:57 uur
Handige move van de Franse regering om het op regeringsniveau de Belgen een voorstel te doen.
Ik ben erg benieuwd naar de Belgische reactie.

Dat de Belgische Luchtmacht een voorkeur voor de F-35 hebben is bekend en dat de Belgen samenwerken met NL op missies, zoals de toerbeurten in Afghanistan en bewaking van Benelux luchtruim zou pleiten voor een zelfde type toestel. Dus de F-35.

Maar de Belgen hebben altijd al wel een spagaat gehad, NL of FR ...

Dus een aantrekkelijk aanbod in samenwerking met de Franse Luchtmacht, opleiding en onderhoud zou een keuze voor de Rafale kunnen worden.
En tevens geld uitgeven aan defensie is in Belgie ook zeer onderhevig aan uitgebreide discussies/ meningen, dus als er minder geld uitgegeven hoeft te worden hierdoor zal er op regeringsniveau er zeker een debat over komen. En vooral omdat het Franse voorstel op regeringsniveau gegeven is en niet in de tender zelf.

We zullen zien ....     
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 08/09/2017 | 12:15 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 08/09/2017 | 10:57 uur
Handige move van de Franse regering om het op regeringsniveau de Belgen een voorstel te doen.
Ik ben erg benieuwd naar de Belgische reactie.

Dat de Belgische Luchtmacht een voorkeur voor de F-35 hebben is bekend en dat de Belgen samenwerken met NL op missies, zoals de toerbeurten in Afghanistan en bewaking van Benelux luchtruim zou pleiten voor een zelfde type toestel. Dus de F-35.

Maar de Belgen hebben altijd al wel een spagaat gehad, NL of FR ...

Dus een aantrekkelijk aanbod in samenwerking met de Franse Luchtmacht, opleiding en onderhoud zou een keuze voor de Rafale kunnen worden.
En tevens geld uitgeven aan defensie is in Belgie ook zeer onderhevig aan uitgebreide discussies/ meningen, dus als er minder geld uitgegeven hoeft te worden hierdoor zal er op regeringsniveau er zeker een debat over komen. En vooral omdat het Franse voorstel op regeringsniveau gegeven is en niet in de tender zelf.

We zullen zien ....   

Ik vind het dus een hele hele domme move. De Fransen denken het op zijn Frans te kunnen doen, hop, alle aanbestedingsprocedures aan de kant, alle regelgeving in Europa wordt open en bloot gewoon ter zijde geschoven want EU en Frankrijk en oude banden en wij hebben een puik vliegtuig en bla en dit is beter en hier is een direct bod.

Nou dat is dus alle kans voor de Belgen om de Fransen direct mee te diskwalificeren ZONDER dat iemand dat daar nog wat van kan vinden want als je de regels opvolgt ( wat België echt wel gaat doen ) dan mag dit helemaal niet. De Belgen hebben nu een prima excuus om hun aanbestedingsprocedure (want belangrijk, want belastingbetalergeld) te blijven volgen en tjah als daar de F-35 uitkomt... dan wordt dat de F-35 en is er geen gejank meer.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/09/2017 | 12:48 uur
Wel een handige move omdat de Rafale 0% kans had in de officiële tender en die hebben ze nu omzeild door op regeringsniveau een voorstel neer te leggen.
Das mijn gedachte.
En dat is ook de Franse manier ....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 08/09/2017 | 14:56 uur
Deze vlieger gaat niet op. Exit Rafale.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 08/09/2017 | 18:29 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 08/09/2017 | 12:48 uur
Wel een handige move omdat de Rafale 0% kans had in de officiële tender en die hebben ze nu omzeild door op regeringsniveau een voorstel neer te leggen.
Das mijn gedachte.
En dat is ook de Franse manier ....

Het is geen 1992 meer.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/09/2017 | 18:49 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 08/09/2017 | 18:29 uur
Het is geen 1992 meer.
;) :big-smile:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 08/09/2017 | 18:53 uur
Ze hebben zichzelf hiermee buitenspel gezet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 08/09/2017 | 18:57 uur
De enige manier waarop ik deze Franse zet zie is als een wanhopige, alles of niets poging om hun product alsnog te kunnen plaatsen.
Ik denk dat ze zelf tot de conclusie gekomen zijn dat hun Rafale het gaat afleggen tegenover de F-35A...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/09/2017 | 19:26 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 08/09/2017 | 18:57 uur
De enige manier waarop ik deze Franse zet zie is als een wanhopige, alles of niets poging om hun product alsnog te kunnen plaatsen.
Ik denk dat ze zelf tot de conclusie gekomen zijn dat hun Rafale het gaat afleggen tegenover de F-35A...

Waarmee er naast de F35A slechts één alternatieve kandidaat resteert, de Eurofighter Typhoon, een kist die ik persoonlijk voor onze Zuiderburen kansloos acht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/09/2017 | 20:02 uur
Britten beloven twee productiecentra in ons land als regering kiest voor Eurofighter - HLN.be

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/957/Binnenland/article/detail/3255145/2017/09/08/Britten-beloven-twee-productiecentra-in-ons-land-als-regering-kiest-voor-Eurofighter.dhtml via @HLN_BE
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 08/09/2017 | 23:12 uur
Waarom zouden we voor de Eurofighter moeten gaan wanneer de Britten zelf voor de F-35A en F-35B gaan?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/09/2017 | 00:00 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 08/09/2017 | 23:12 uur
Waarom zouden we voor de Eurofighter moeten gaan wanneer de Britten zelf voor de F-35A en F-35B gaan?

Niet...

Al is voor een NL-BE luchtmacht de combinatie F35A en Eurofighter trance 3A of B ook interessant te noemen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/09/2017 | 12:49 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 09/09/2017 | 07:39 uur
Overigens is er nog wel een reden om Frans of Europees te gaan, de Amerikanen delen niet zoveel met de Belgen. Krijgen dus een uitgeklede F35.

Een (Belgische) uitgeklede versie van de F-35A zal toch niet zoveel verschillen t.o.v. een USAF F-35A? En hoe staan die verschillen in relatie met de Belgische kerntaak? Even ervan uitgaan dat zij die taak zullen blijven uitvoeren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 09/09/2017 | 14:42 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 09/09/2017 | 13:19 uur
Ik denk van wel, maar weten doe ik het niet.
Heb alleen kennis van het inlichtingen en maritieme domein. Delen tussen Be-US gebeurt nauwelijks, en veel militaire systemen en databases die NL wel krijgt, krijgt Belgie niet, wat gezien de nauwe maritieme samenwerking tussen NL en Be wel eens problemen geeft. Kan me voorstellen dat dit als het op de Luchtmacht aankomt niet anders is.

Is er nog een specifieke reden waarom Nederland in een zo'n ogenschijnlijke voordeelpositie zit? We geven wel wat meer uit aan defensie dan de Belgen, maar zo substantieel lijkt t me nou ook weer niet?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: MasterChief1971 op 09/09/2017 | 15:17 uur
Me dunkt dat NL (terecht of niet terecht) de VS te allen tijde (politiek en fysiek) hebben gesteund. Zelfs nadat de Yanken ons een paar keer hebben genaaid (Nl-Indië, NNG, Srebrenica).
Komt bij dat we over het algemeen Amerikaans kopen, trainen en opereren.
Komt bij dat we onze inlichtingenpositie (electronisch, OZBT-operaties, etc.) slim gebruiken en delen met de VS (en UK).

België is daar veel eigenwijzer in. Hangt aan één kant naar Frankrijk, is onderling verdeeld (taalstrijd), hoog percentage socialisten in opvolgende regeringen. Dragen zelden betekenisvol bij aan missies (KAIA bewaken tijdens ISAF-periode maar geen kinetische inzet zoals nu tegen IS).

Zomaar wat gedachten.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/09/2017 | 16:29 uur
Ministry of Defence Responds to Belgium Request for Government Proposal 
( kijk aan,  ;) ...  de UK MinDef bied Belgie ook een Goverment to Goverment samenwerking aan....    )

The UK Ministry of Defence, on behalf of the Governments of UK, Spain, Italy and Germany, has responded to the Belgian F-16 replacement Request for Government Proposal.

The UK response included a comprehensive Eurofighter Typhoon proposal underpinned by a long-term defence and security partnership between the United Kingdom and Belgium. The Eurofighter Typhoon is offered in full partnership with the Royal Air Force, including integration with the UK's proven, world-leading availability and support service.

Eurofighter Typhoon is the truly European solution submitted on behalf of the four Typhoon Partner Nations and will support Belgium's aspirations for a strong European defence and technology industrial base in which Belgian industry plays a part.

The UK Minister for Defence Procurement Harriet Baldwin said: "I commend Belgium for what is a comprehensive and well-executed competitive process. The UK, supported by Spain, Italy and Germany, has offered Belgium a Government to Government Strategic Partnership, including a long-term relationship with the Royal Air Force. I look forward to discussing further with my counterpart Minister Vandeput at DSEI."

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/186660/uk-submits-eurofighter-offer-to-belgium.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: vlincent op 11/09/2017 | 23:45 uur
De Belgen krijgen wel een hele hoop aandacht voor het vervangen van hun F-16's. Ik ben benieuwd naar de reactie van Minister Vandeput.

Ik ben benieuwd naar de keuze. Hopelijk de F-35. Zou goed zijn voor de samenwerking tussen NL en BE.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 12/09/2017 | 00:36 uur
Ok, een diidelijk 1 - 2 tje van fra&uk. Slim
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 12/09/2017 | 13:28 uur
De Timing valt goed: DSEI 17 vindt nu plaats in London...
Kunnen ze een babbeltje doen... etentje, drankje...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 12/09/2017 | 14:55 uur
Citaat van: vlincent op 11/09/2017 | 23:45 uur
De Belgen krijgen wel een hele hoop aandacht voor het vervangen van hun F-16's. Ik ben benieuwd naar de reactie van Minister Vandeput.

Ik ben benieuwd naar de keuze. Hopelijk de F-35. Zou goed zijn voor de samenwerking tussen NL en BE.

Als zij de F35 nemen verdienen wij eraan. Dus iedereen die de F35 neemt is goed voor NL.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/09/2017 | 15:33 uur
Saab Presents Gripen Aggressor

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.janes.com%2Fimages%2Fassets%2F789%2F73789%2FGripen-turns-aggressor-_DSEI17D1_.jpg&hash=90a7119500d35a42d455f670aa5834f6d8175ea8)

Presented for the first time at the DSEI show in London, Saab's Gripen Aggressor in a modernized variant of the Gripen-C fighter that the company aims at the dissimilar air combat training market.

Defence and security company Saab presents a new variant of Gripen, Gripen Aggressor. Gripen Aggressor is based on the proven Gripen C-series and is the ultimate platform for the adversary air combat training market. Gripen Aggressor brings a unique mix of high performance, mission flexibility and availability combined with a low life cycle cost.

There is a growing segment within the adversary air combat training market for highly advanced aggressor capabilities to be able to perform realistic combat training. Gripen Aggressor provides an exceptional, dissimilar opponent aircraft system against which pilots will sharpen and refine their combat skills so as to fight and win against an advanced enemy threat.

"There is a major difference in the capabilities provided by the aggressors on the market today and what the need is for the coming years. In order to train as you fight, you need to fly advanced combat tactics against peer and near peer opponents like the Gripen Aggressor. Essentially world class pilots need to train against world class opponents and that is the Gripen Aggressor", says Richard Smith, head of Gripen marketing & sales at Saab.

Gripen Aggressor is based on the proven Gripen C-series fighter weapon system, but has been customised for the aggressor role. It has all the renowned handling and flight characteristics associated with the Gripen C and its advanced sensor and datalink capabilities, but will not carry live armament. The Gripen C-series is in-service across the world including NATO members and has a firm development plan with on-going enhancements in hand.

An aggressor, or adversary, aircraft, is used to act as an opposing force in advanced military combat training. Aggressor squadrons use enemy tactics, techniques, and procedures to provide a realistic environment for the fighter pilots to train against. Saab sees potential for the platform as a high-level aggressor option within both the United States Air Force's Adversary Air (ADAIR) and UK MOD's Air Support to Defence Operational Training (ASDOT) requirements, and wherever users look to prepare pilots for the challenges of sophisticated modern air combat.

The Gripen Aggressor concept is being shown for the first time at DSEI 2017, London, UK.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/186702/saab-unveils-new-gripen-aggressor-dact-variant.html

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/09/2017 | 20:09 uur
Defence Secretary strengthens UK-Qatar Defence relationship

During a visit to the Gulf state today, Sir Michael Fallon and his Qatari counterpart, Khalid bin Mohammed al Attiyah, signed a Statement of Intent concerning Qatar's proposed purchase of 24 Typhoon aircraft.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/defence-secretary-strengthens-uk-qatar-defence-relationship
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/09/2017 | 20:21 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/09/2017 | 20:09 uur
Defence Secretary strengthens UK-Qatar Defence relationship

During a visit to the Gulf state today, Sir Michael Fallon and his Qatari counterpart, Khalid bin Mohammed al Attiyah, signed a Statement of Intent concerning Qatar's proposed purchase of 24 Typhoon aircraft.


24 Typhoons. 24 Rafales, 72 F15E.. het is/wordt wel een potente luchtmacht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 17/09/2017 | 21:22 uur
Qua materieel uitrusting wel ja.  Maar er bestaat ook nog zo iets als de vlieger-factor, beter gezegd: personeel-factor.

"A competent leader can get efficient service from poor troops, while on the contrary an incapable leader can demoralize the best of troops."

Citaat van de vroegere Amerikaanse generaal John Pershing.

De grootste aas uit WO 1, Manfred von Richthofen zei ooit eens: het maakt niet uit met welk vliegtuig je moet vechten, want je jachtvliegtuig is zo goed als de bemanning is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 18/09/2017 | 14:40 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/09/2017 | 20:21 uur
24 Typhoons. 24 Rafales, 72 F15E.. het is/wordt wel een potente luchtmacht.
Precies...dat kleine landje heeft een luchtmacht waar wij jaloers op kunnen zijn Jurrien... :devil:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 18/09/2017 | 14:54 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 18/09/2017 | 14:40 uur
Precies...dat kleine landje heeft een luchtmacht waar wij jaloers op kunnen zijn Jurrien... :devil:

Kan me écht niet voorstellen wat het voordeel is van 3 types behalve de gigantische logistieke staart...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 18/09/2017 | 21:41 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 18/09/2017 | 14:54 uur
Kan me écht niet voorstellen wat het voordeel is van 3 types behalve de gigantische logistieke staart...
een voordeel heb je altijd...wij zetten vol in op de F-35...maar als dat toestel nou een flop gaat worden ? dan heb je al je geld verspild aan 38 dure F-35's...maar
de F-15 is een doorontwikkeld toestel net zoals de F-16...eigenlijk de BMW 5- serie, en dat is geen miskoop .
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 18/09/2017 | 22:18 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 18/09/2017 | 21:41 uur
een voordeel heb je altijd...wij zetten vol in op de F-35...maar als dat toestel nou een flop gaat worden ? dan heb je al je geld verspild aan 38 dure F-35's...maar
de F-15 is een doorontwikkeld toestel net zoals de F-16...eigenlijk de BMW 5- serie, en dat is geen miskoop .

Alleen is het de 528 E28 en is de F35 de M5 F10...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 19/09/2017 | 08:27 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 18/09/2017 | 21:41 uur
een voordeel heb je altijd...wij zetten vol in op de F-35...maar als dat toestel nou een flop gaat worden ? dan heb je al je geld verspild aan 38 dure F-35's...maar
de F-15 is een doorontwikkeld toestel net zoals de F-16...eigenlijk de BMW 5- serie, en dat is geen miskoop .

Ben ik niet mee eens? F15 mag dan wel een top vliegtuig zijn maar er zit een generatie verschil in de toestellen. De F35 met haar stealth en net centrisch informatie systeem gooit de traditionele "aircombat" ondersteboven. Gezien dat deze toestellen voor de komende 30-40 jaar ingezet gaan worden, moet er ook ver vooruit gedacht worden bij aanschaf. Het is geen lease bak van de zaak dat je om de 3 jaar kunt inwisselen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 19/09/2017 | 08:44 uur
Some F-35s will stick with Block 2B software

The F-35 program office is considering an option to keep some F-35s in the U.S. fleet with Block 2B software, instead of sending them for an expensive upgrade to newer standards, Stephen Trimble reports.

Program manager Vice Adm Matt Winter says each of the aircraft requires 150-160 modifications to be on par with Block 3 standard. More than one hundred jets are now flying on Block 2B code.

Those that are not chosen for the modifications will be kept for training purposes. Similar to what the U.S. Air Force does for a small number of F-22s.


US considers non-combat-rated subset of F-35 fleet

Scores of US-owned Lockheed Martin F-35s would remain in the fleet with a software operating system rated below combat-grade under one of several cost-saving proposals under review by the Joint Programme Office.

Delays during the development stage caused Lockheed to deliver more than 108 aircraft with Block 2B software. Each fighter requires 150-160 modifications to be raised to the combat-rated Block 3 standard, says Vice Adm Matt Winter, the F-35's programme executive.

The looming modification bills are threatening to suck resources from a looming production ramp-up with more than 900 aircraft projected for delivery over the next five years, Winter says.

"We're looking at solution spaces to give our warfighters options," Winter says.

One of those options is to keep a subset of the F-35 fleet at the Block 2B software standard. It would follow a practice used on the Lockheed F-22 programme, which has about 30 fighters maintained at Block 20 for training missions and about 150 fighters using the go-to-war Block 30/35 standard.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-considers-non-combat-rated-subset-of-f-35-fleet-441248/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 19/09/2017 | 09:53 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 19/09/2017 | 09:23 uur
Mooi verpakt.
Maw, het geld is nu al op, dus wordt een aanzienlijk deel tot sub-standard permanent trainer gedegradeerd.

Haha
Nee, dat is jouw interpretatie.
De Amerikanen doen dat vaker, ook met ander apparatuur; van tanks tot schepen.
Omdat ze zoveel spul hebben, kost het gigantisch veel geld en tijd om alles op hetzelfde niveau te hebben, wat ook niet altijd noodzakelijk is.

Ze zullen toch nooit 100% van hun F-35's overzees hebben in een oorlogsgebied, dus waarom dan wel alles helemaal up to date hebben?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/09/2017 | 11:08 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 18/09/2017 | 22:18 uur
Alleen is het de 528 E28 en is de F35 de M5 F10...

Inderdaad. De ene 5-Serie is de andere 5-Serie niet  8)

Om terug te komen op de verschillende hard- en/of software uitvoeringen. Van de F-22A vliegen ook nog steeds circa 30 stuks in de Block 20 uitvoering i.p.v. Block 30/35. Zelfs de Super Hornet heeft verschillende versies op dit gebied.

In het verleden hadden andere types dit ook, dus is het niet een storm in een glas water?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 19/09/2017 | 11:59 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 19/09/2017 | 11:08 uur
Om terug te komen op de verschillende hard- en/of software uitvoeringen. Van de F-22A vliegen ook nog steeds circa 30 stuks in de Block 20 uitvoering i.p.v. Block 30/35. Zelfs de Super Hornet heeft verschillende versies op dit gebied.

In het verleden hadden andere types dit ook, dus is het niet een storm in een glas water?

ik denk, Ja en Nee.... de upgrade van 2B en 3F is niet alleen software matig, maar (ik denk) juist ook hardware matig en misschien wel meerdere systemen/sensoren/optics welke dan veranderd/vervangen moeten worden.

Each fighter requires 150-160 modifications to be raised to the combat-rated Block 3 standard, says Vice Adm Matt Winter

en juist die 150-160 modificaties, maken dat de F-35 weer terug moet naar de fabriek en daar aangepast en/of voorzien moet worden van nieuwe onderdelen. En dat geeft extra kosten.
en daarbij 2B is waarschijnlijk goed genoeg voor de piloten het basis vliegen te kunnen leren.   

Hoe vaak is al niet ontdekt dat er structurele aanpassingen gedaan moesten worden aan de F-35, zoals ... bekabeling, koeling, spanten in romp en vleugels. Upgrade opdrachten zijn met regelmaat aan LM gegeven. Dat is het grote nadeel van het gelijk op laten lopen van de testfase en start productie. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/09/2017 | 08:21 uur
Air Force Wants to Shorten Next-Gen Fighter's Development Timeline

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2017/9/19/air-combat-command-looking-to-maintain-air-dominance-on-a-budget#.WcIH6gVMNDU.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/09/2017 | 12:53 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 20/09/2017 | 12:16 uur
Kan, maar is het idee met de F35 niet juist dat zelfs operationele vliegers vaker op een moderne trainer of SIM gaan werken?
Neem je dan deze voorraad toestellen, die niet te vergelijken zijn met wat er beloofd is dat gaat komen (en dus eigen tactieken, technieken en instructies (onh) nodig hebben.
Of toestellen die sowieso niet operationeel inzetbaar zijn.


De meeste F-35A's zijn gestationeerd bij de opleidingseenheden 33rd Fighter Wing (Eglin AFB)/AETC en 56th Fighter Wing (Luke AFB)/ACC. Alleen 388th Fighter Wing van Hill AFB is op dit moment de actieve USAF F-35A Fighter Wing met een gevechtstaak en diverse squadrons hiervan zijn nog bezig met de transitie. Toekomstige eenheden krijgen direct Block 3F en nieuwer. Ze wisten dat dit allemaal eraan zat te komen.

Bij de F-16A/B moesten de Block 1 en Block 5 versies ook constant worden gemoderniseerd naar hogere Block nummers.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 21/09/2017 | 08:54 uur
P&W offers F135 upgrade for depot insertion after 2023

Pratt & Whitney will offer a drop-in thrust or fuel efficiency upgrade for the Lockheed Martin F-35's engine as the fighter's joint programme office develops options for the Block 4.2 upgrade package now scheduled to enter service in late 2023.

The Growth Option 1.0 proposal from P&W would improve the 43,000lb-thrust F135 engine's acceleration force by 6 to 10% depending on the aircraft's flight condition or reduce fuel consumption by 5% to extend the range of the tactical stealth fighter, P&W Military engines president Matthew Bromberg tells FlightGlobal in an interview.

The unique proposal is shaped as P&W's response to the Defense Department's call for accelerating modernisation programmes by breaking up large upgrade packages into smaller increments. In the software field, F-35 JPO executive Vice Adm Matthias Winter is working on a proposal to break up the decade-long series of Block 4 software updates into smaller subsets of applications. Those that have no impact on the fighter's airworthiness – such as sensor updates -- might be delivered sooner.

Unlike, software updates, the opportunity to accelerate engine upgrades is limited by physics and the rigours of airworthiness testing, Bromberg concedes. Instead of updates on a yearly or even semi-annual basis, P&W is proposing to offer new performance improvements as each F135 engine enters a depot maintenance period, which is generally timed in five- to seven-year intervals.

Growth Option 1.0, which P&W claimed to validate in a ground test of a full engine earlier this year, proposes to update hardware and software controls in only the power module of the F135, which contains the high-pressure compressor, combustor and high-pressure turbine, Bromberg says. P&W's proposal calls for the JPO to fund an engineering and manufacturing development programme, but the production hardware would cost no more than the existing parts, he says. The upgrade also can be completed by the government's depot workers.

As P&W discusses the proposed upgrade with the JPO, the company is working internally on Growth Option 2.0 package using a similar philosophy, Bromberg says. The second package also would be focused on delivering performance improvements, but stop short of inserting "third-stream" fan stage technology, Bromberg says.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pw-offers-f135-upgrade-for-depot-insertion-after-20-441331/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 23/09/2017 | 14:12 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 19/09/2017 | 11:08 uur
Inderdaad. De ene 5-Serie is de andere 5-Serie niet  8)

Om terug te komen op de verschillende hard- en/of software uitvoeringen. Van de F-22A vliegen ook nog steeds circa 30 stuks in de Block 20 uitvoering i.p.v. Block 30/35. Zelfs de Super Hornet heeft verschillende versies op dit gebied.

Bij de F-16A/B moesten de Block 1 en Block 5 versies ook constant worden gemoderniseerd naar hogere Block nummers.

In het verleden hadden andere types dit ook, dus is het niet een storm in een glas water?
Concurrency Orphans.

Maar wat lezen we  in het DOTE 2015 rapport (DOTE = Directorate Operational Testing & Evaluation):

"These (block 2A, 2B, 3i) aircraft will require a still-to-be-determined list of modifications in order to provide full block 3F combat capability.
However, these modifications may be unaffordable for the Armed Services as they consider the cost of upgrading these early production lots of aircraft,
while the program continues to increase production rates in a fiscally constrained environment.
This may potentially result in left-behind F-35 aircraft with significant limitations for years to come."

Je kunt de F-35 (t/m) Block 3i absoluut niet vergelijken met de eerste F-16A/B block 1 / 5 en 10.
Deze F-16A/B varianten hadden hun kinderziektes, die uiteindelijk in 1986 waren opgelost.
MAAR, al deze varianten waren WEL combat capable.
Volgens de oorspronkelijke JSF plannen, begin deze eeuw, zou de F-35 block 3 over ALLE beloofde vaardigheden beschikken.
De F-35 block 2B draait nog steeds op de Technical Release 1 hardware.  De architectuur van deze TR1 stamt nog uit de jaren 90.
Block 3i (3 interim) software is eigenlijk block 2B software slechts aangepast om te draaien op de Technical Release 2 (TR2) hardware.
TR2 is gebaseerd op technologie uit het begin van deze eeuw.
F-35 block 2B en 3i varianten zijn minder capabel dan bijvoorbeeld de F-18E/F block 2 !
Er worden nogal eens valse voorstellingen gegeven dat block 3F (3Full) en TR2 wel alle beloofde vaardigheden zou kunnen uitvoeren.
De Israelische luchtmacht heeft al geconcludeerd dat TR2 te 'licht' is om alle oorspronkelijke specificaties te halen.
Du is er nog een ingrijpende Follow-on-Modernisation (FoM) benodigd in diverse Block 4 varianten.  Met weer een nieuwe generatie hardware TR3.

De ontwikkeling van de F-35 loopt geheel anders.  Want er is hier een grote overlapping in ontwikkeling en productie, in het Engels noemt men dat concurrency.
Wat voor een grote problemen deze "concurrency" kan veroorzaken zagen we bij de B-1B Lancer bommenwerper.
Productie van de Lancer begon al, terwijl de bouwvakkers nog met (af)bouw van de productie hallen bezig waren.
Je krijgt te maken met begroting en tijdschema overschrijdingen.  Kisten die al gebouwd zijn, moeten terug naar de fabriek voor correcties.  Die achteraf correcties kosten veel meer pecunia en tijd dan de aannemers genoeg tijd geven voor de ontwikkeling.
Concurrency maakte de B-1B onbetrouwbaar, hetzelfde zien we nu bij de F-35 gebeuren.

Om de B-1B helemaal naar behoren te laten werken zijn er zoveel modificaties noodzakelijk, dat dit zelfs voor de Amerikanen een te dure grap wordt !
Idem dito voor de circa 30 F-22A Raptors block 20.  Ruim 10 geleden concludeerde de US Air Force al dat opwaardering van deze block 20's naar block 30/35 simpelweg te duur zou worden.

Dus geen storm in een glas water met deze concurrency orphans / overlapping wezen /  mistake prototype jets.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 23/09/2017 | 14:37 uur
US considers non-combat-rated subset of F-35 fleet

18 SEPTEMBER, 2017 SOURCE: FLIGHTGLOBAL.COM BY: STEPHEN TRIMBLE WASHINGTON DC
Scores of US-owned Lockheed Martin F-35s would remain in the fleet with a software operating system rated below combat-grade under one of several cost-saving proposals under review by the Joint Programme Office.

Delays during the development stage caused Lockheed to deliver more than 108 aircraft with Block 2B software (108 kisten alleen bij de Amerikaanse strijdkrachten).
Each fighter requires 150-160 modifications to be raised to the combat-rated Block 3 standard, says Vice Adm Matt Winter, the F-35's programme executive.

The looming modification bills are threatening to suck resources from a looming production ramp-up with more than 900 aircraft projected for delivery over the next five years, Winter says.

"We're looking at solution spaces to give our warfighters options," Winter says.

One of those options is to keep a subset of the F-35 fleet at the Block 2B software standard. It would follow a practice used on the Lockheed F-22 programme, which has about 30 fighters maintained at Block 20 for training missions and about 150 fighters using the go-to-war Block 30/35 standard.

zie:  https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-considers-non-combat-rated-subset-of-f-35-fleet-441248/

Het Directorate Operational Testing & Evaluation en een Australische defensie denktank krijgen dan ook gelijk in voorspellingen.

Maar 108 'mistake jets' op een officieel geplande USAF sterkte van 1.763.
Echter, in het Congres circuleren al meer dan 10 jaar USAF fighter road maps met slechts 325, 480 of 858 F-35A LightningII's.
Die 1.763 F-35A's komen er nooit.
Dus de werkelijk combat capable F-35 vloot wordt wel erg klein.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 23/09/2017 | 16:31 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 23/09/2017 | 15:09 uur
Daarbij, is het te betalen om een kleine vloot F35's te hebben die zo significant afwijken?
Lijkt me dat dat invloed gaat hebben op opleiding onderhoudspersoneel, dat dan niet meer uitwisselbaar is, dat er een losse instandhoudingslijn moet komen, en dat alles voor F35 trainingsjets. En welke trainingen worden dan met deze toestellen gedaan? Lijkt me dat je niet een vlieger in een block 2 kunt opleiden en zonder nog een transitie opleiding in een block 4 kan zetten, of heeft dat voor vliegen geen effect?

Vergeet niet dat de Amerikanen een gigantische vloot hebben aan toestellen. Bij de F-22 is ongeveer 16% a 17% in de block 20 trainings variant de overige 84% a 83%  is gewoon combat ready.
De Amerikanen hebben ruim 1700 F-35A's in de plannen staan voor hun luchtmacht dan komt dat uit op ongeveer 280 stuks in training variant, dan blijven er nog ruim 1400 over in combat ready update dus dat word echt geen probleem.

Daarnaast hebben we ook nog de Intl. vloot waarbij zeker de Europese varianten waarschijnlijk veelal gelijk zullen lopen in upgrades. Ik voorzie geen problemen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 23/09/2017 | 16:37 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 23/09/2017 | 15:09 uur
Daarbij, is het te betalen om een kleine vloot F35's te hebben die zo significant afwijken?
Lijkt me dat dat invloed gaat hebben op opleiding onderhoudspersoneel, dat dan niet meer uitwisselbaar is, dat er een losse instandhoudingslijn moet komen, en dat alles voor F35 trainingsjets. En welke trainingen worden dan met deze toestellen gedaan? Lijkt me dat je niet een vlieger in een block 2 kunt opleiden en zonder nog een transitie opleiding in een block 4 kan zetten, of heeft dat voor vliegen geen effect?
Het aanhouden van een aanzienlijk afwijkende non-combat capabele F-35 heeft zijn financieel-economische prijs, maar deze hogere exploitatie prijs is uitgesmeerd over vele Fiscal Years in de toekomst.

Zoals het flightglobal bericht al zei, opwaardering van de 'mistake jets' eet een stuk uit het al onder druk staande aanschaf budget en dus productie aantallen.
Het JSF concept is ook gebaseerd op "economy of scale", een centrale vol-continue productie-lijn in Fort Worth, die oorspronkelijk 4.500 tot zelfs 6.000 'JSF's als zoete broodjes zou uitbraken a USD 37,1 miljoen fly-away prijs.  Deze aantallen gaan nooit gehaald worden, denk eerder aan 2.700 / 3.000 / maximaal ca. 3.150 F-35 kisten.
Dus die peperdure Begin Life Upgrade zou dus bijdragen aan de al aan de gang zijnde Death Spiral.

De F-35 block 2B en 3i 'mistake jets' kunnen gebruikt worden voor de initiële conversie opleiding naar het F-35 bul en voor oefeningen door jonge / onervaren F-35 vliegers die < 1.500 F-35A uren in het logboek hebben.  Daarnaast t.b.v. demonstraties, QRA en oefenvluchten door gast-vliegers.
De ervaring leert dat de meeste (fatale) pilot errors vinden plaats tussen de 500 - 1.500 op een bepaald type jachtvliegtuig.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 23/09/2017 | 16:57 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 23/09/2017 | 16:31 uur
Vergeet niet dat de Amerikanen een gigantische vloot hebben aan toestellen. Bij de F-22 is ongeveer 16% a 17% in de block 20 trainings variant de overige 84% a 83%  is gewoon combat ready.
De Amerikanen hebben ruim 1700 F-35A's in de plannen staan voor hun luchtmacht dan komt dat uit op ongeveer 280 stuks in training variant, dan blijven er nog ruim 1400 over in combat ready update dus dat word echt geen probleem.

Daarnaast hebben we ook nog de Intl. vloot waarbij zeker de Europese varianten waarschijnlijk veelal gelijk zullen lopen in upgrades. Ik voorzie geen problemen.
Een gigantische vloot aan vierde generatie kisten a la A-10 Warthog, diverse F-15's, legacy en Super F-18's, een handvol crash-o-matic Harriers en heel veel F-16's ja.

Van de Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF) zouden er oorspronkelijk 1.100 stuks worden aangeschaft.  Vervolgens werd dit verlaagd naar 750 ATF's.
De ATF werd de F-22A Raptor, de US Air Force heeft berekend dat men een minimale vloot van 381 F-22A Raptors nodig heeft.
Uiteindelijk kreeg men slechts 187 operationele Raptors en 8 testkisten = totaal 195 stuks = slechts 17,7 % van het totale oorspronkelijke plan aantal.

Nogmaals, zie de fighter road maps van het Congres.  Van 1.763 USAF F-35A's naar misschien 325, 480 of waarschijnlijk slechts 858 F-35A's.
Wij gingen van 80 naar 37 stuks.
De F-35 wordt een veel capabeler jachtvliegtuig dan de F15, F-16 en F-18.  Maar aantallen, kwantiteit, is ook een kwaliteit !
De KLu heeft een ambitieus plan om hun F-16's te vervangen tussen 2019 - 2023, dat worden dan F-35A block 3F's.    De Initial Operational Testing & Evaluation (IOT&E)
is hopelijk afgerond in 2019, maar dat kan gemakkelijk uitlopen naar 2010.
Die in totaal meer dan 500 block 3F's moeten allemaal worden opgewaardeerd in een aanzienlijk uitgebreid Begin Life Upgrade, a.k.a. Follow on Modernisation naar block 4.2 na afloop van de IOT&E.   Of wil je met verouderde, niet of slechts gedeeltelijk gevechtswaardige, maar peperdure jachtvliegtuigen rond blijven vliegen ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 23/09/2017 | 17:26 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 23/09/2017 | 16:57 uur
Een gigantische vloot aan vierde generatie kisten a la A-10 Warthog, diverse F-15's, legacy en Super F-18's, een handvol crash-o-matic Harriers en heel veel F-16's ja.

Van de Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF) zouden er oorspronkelijk 1.100 stuks worden aangeschaft.  Vervolgens werd dit verlaagd naar 750 ATF's.
De ATF werd de F-22A Raptor, de US Air Force heeft berekend dat men een minimale vloot van 381 F-22A Raptors nodig heeft.
Uiteindelijk kreeg men slechts 187 operationele Raptors en 8 testkisten = totaal 195 stuks = slechts 17,7 % van het totale oorspronkelijke plan aantal.

Nogmaals, zie de fighter road maps van het Congres.  Van 1.763 USAF F-35A's naar misschien 325, 480 of waarschijnlijk slechts 858 F-35A's.
Wij gingen van 80 naar 37 stuks.
De F-35 wordt een veel capabeler jachtvliegtuig dan de F15, F-16 en F-18.  Maar aantallen, kwantiteit, is ook een kwaliteit !
De KLu heeft een ambitieus plan om hun F-16's te vervangen tussen 2019 - 2023, dat worden dan F-35A block 3F's.    De Initial Operational Testing & Evaluation (IOT&E)
is hopelijk afgerond in 2019, maar dat kan gemakkelijk uitlopen naar 2010.
Die in totaal meer dan 500 block 3F's moeten allemaal worden opgewaardeerd in een aanzienlijk uitgebreid Begin Life Upgrade, a.k.a. Follow on Modernisation naar block 4.2 na afloop van de IOT&E.   Of wil je met verouderde, niet of slechts gedeeltelijk gevechtswaardige, maar peperdure jachtvliegtuigen rond blijven vliegen ?

Dan word het een probleem voor de Yanks, de Europese F-35 partners zullen zelf upgrades gaan ontwikkelen op basis van de Amerikaanse upgrades zoals nu ook bij de F-16 gebeurd. Hoe de Amerikanen  hun vloot gaan onderhouden en upgraden zal weinig invloed hebben op de Europese toestellen naar mijn mening.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 24/09/2017 | 18:45 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 23/09/2017 | 17:26 uur
Dan word het een probleem voor de Yanks, de Europese F-35 partners zullen zelf upgrades gaan ontwikkelen op basis van de Amerikaanse upgrades zoals nu ook bij de F-16 gebeurd. Hoe de Amerikanen  hun vloot gaan onderhouden en upgraden zal weinig invloed hebben op de Europese toestellen naar mijn mening.
Huh ?  Europese F-16 partners ontwikkelen helemaal niets zelf.  Ze mogen hun ideeën, ervaringen, adviezen aandragen en dat is het.  Er is hier alleen sprake van
(co)-productie van F-16 onderdelen en opwaarderingen / moderniseringen.
JSF Partner landen mogen mee ontwikkelen in de System Development & Demonstration (SDD) fase.  En dan maar hopen dat zij volgens de officiële lijn "best value" weten te bereiken, die zich dan hopelijk in orders gaat vertalen.

Koop je de F-35, dan krijg je een abonnement op software opwaarderingen, om de twee jaar en om de vier jaar is er ook een hardware upgrade pakket.
De Amerikanen behouden echter de broncodes van de software, in andere woorden de "bouwtekeningen van de programmatuur".
Wij schaffen defensie materieel bij de Amerikanen altijd aan onder FMS of zelfs FMS+ (Foreign Military Support) voorwaarden van het State Department (BuZa).
Is goedkoper dan een zogenaamde Direct Sale aanschaf, want je krijgt geen ontwerp-, en ontwikkelingskosten doorberekend, maar betekend wel dat je vastzit aan bepaalde onderhoud, reparatie en overhaal (revisie) (MRO) contracten met vaststaande Amerikaanse leveranciers.  Bij materieel gekocht onder FMS mag je niet zelf updates en upgrades ontwikkelen en implementeren, dat recht heb je onder FMS overgedaan aan de Amerikaanse industrie.
In het JSF project hebben de hoofd-aannemer en onder-aannemers echter een structureel veel grotere rol in het MRO verhaal.  Dit gaat via het ALIS, Autonomous Logistics Information System, wiens server bij LockheedMartin staat.
Het Logistiek Centrum Woensdrecht (LCW) speelt dan ook een veel kleinere rol in het F-35 MRO dan het F-16 MRO.  En zal zich meer richten op het bieden van faciliteiten / infrastructuur t.b.v. deze aannemers.

Onze KLu testtoestellen zijn block 2B.
Block 2B software draait op de Technical Refresh (TR) 1 hardware.  Block 3i draait op TR2 hardware.   Block 3i is grotendeels gelijk aan de 2B software, maar is gemodificeerd om op TR2 te kunnen draaien.
Vorig jaar hebben beide kisten al diverse modificaties ondergaan (aan o.a het airframe) op Air Force Base Hill en AFB Luke.
Eind 2015 stond nog in de planning dat testkist F-002 vanaf medio 2017 naar Block 3F / TR2 zou worden opgewaardeerd.
Maar dit is afhankelijk van wanneer de SDD fase afgelopen is, op zijn snelst eind 2018 of begin 2019.
F-001 wordt op termijn voor aanvang van de IOT&E fase ook opgewaardeerd tot block 3F / TR2.
De totale kosten voor modificaties aan beide testkisten t/m het einde van de testfase (einde IOT&E) in block 3F = EUR 23,6 miljoen.
Daarnaast stegen de "Projectkosten" met EUR 8,2 miljoen, omdat er langer ondersteuning nodig is van TNO, NLR en ICT specialisten van JIVC (Joint Informatie Voorziening Commando) tussen 2016 en 2019.
Hennis gaf onlangs nog ten onrechte aan dat de IOT&E maar slechts 1 jaar zal duren,
terwijl hier standaard al 2,5 jaar voor gepland staat !

De KLu wil haar F-35A IOC behalen met block 3F / TR2 productie kisten.
De Amerikaanse Rekenkamer (GAO) heeft overigens kritiek op het Pentagon geuit dat de Follow-On Modernization (FoM) niet als een apart investering project is opgezet, maar integraal in het JSF project.  Zodat het GAO de planning en kostenverloop niet in de gaten kan houden.
En het is natuurlijk 'een beetje vreemd' dat ons MinDef de FoM kosten als exploitatie kosten beschouwt.

De eerste productie lot voor de KLu wordt in ieder geval afgeleverd in 2019 met TR2 in block 3F.   Ons MinDef houdt overigens wel een voorbehoud ten aanzien van de werkelijke aflevering data van productie kisten i.v.m. einde van het IOT&E. 
Ons MinDef denkt nog steeds dat block 4, met open system architectuur, tussen 2018 - 2026 beschikbaar komt.

Block 4 wordt in 4 fases ingevoerd.  Om de 2 jaar wordt nieuwe software geïnstalleerd en om de 4 jaar zal nieuwe of gewijzigde hardware in de kisten worden ingebouwd.
Tijdens de twee eerste fases worden voornamelijk modificaties aan sensoren, computerverwerkingscapaciteit en wapenintegratie verwerkt.
Maar wanneer deze Block 4 / TR3 wordt ingevoerd staat op losse schroeven.
Ik denk op zijn vroegst rond midden jaren 20 tot eind jaren 20.       Wat een rammelend project !

Jazeker, wij moeten betalen voor alle modificaties en opwaarderingen aan F-35A's tijdens en na de productie.
In het project verwerving budget (aanschaf vliegtuigen, tools & test apparatuur, documentatie, simulatoren, initiële opleidingen & reserveonderdelen) stond in december 2009 een post a EUR 4 miljoen t.b.v. "updates tijdens de productiefase".
Het totale verwerving budget bedroeg in 2009 EUR 6.275 miljoen.
Opmerkelijk, in het totale exploitatie budget F-35A (30 jaar) van december 2009 stonden:
Modificatie / upgrading kosten =               EUR 415 miljoen / 37 = 11,22 miljoen per kist.
Mid Life Update kosten (block upgrades) = EUR 246 miljoen / 37 =  6,65 miljoen per kist.
Totale modificatie kosten in 30 jaar +        EUR 661 miljoen / 37 = 17,86 miljoen euro per F-35A.

Gaan we vervolgens naar de meest recente jaarrapportage van eind 2015.
Dan staat er in het verwerving budget: "Aanpassingen testtoestellen tot einde testfase (block 3F)" = totaal EUR 10,4 miljoen.
In het exploitatie budget van eind 2015 staat:
Modificaties / upgrades toestellen gedurende hele levensduur (block upgrades) per jaar = EUR 20,7 x 30 jaren = EUR 621 miljoen / 37 = 16,78 miljoen euro per F-35A.
Er wordt geen aparte post "MLU kosten" meer vermeldt in 2015.

Ter vergelijking, de F-16A/B MLU:
De F-16A/B MLU kosten per kisten bedroegen (uit mijn hoofd) ruim NLG 13 miljoen / EUR 5,9 miljoen circa 20 jaar geleden.
In Nederland was er nooit kritiek op deze MLU kosten.  Maar in Noorwegen dachten ze daar beduidend anders over.  De Noorse MinDef beschouwde deze F-16 MLU echter als kosten-ineffectief (geen waar voor je geld).
Veel MLU hardware betrof echter apparatuur die zogenaamd parallel ontwikkeld werd.  In andere woorden, er werd relatief veel gebruik gemaakt van onderdelen die ook in andere wapensystemen worden toegepast.  Zo is de F-16AM/BM Modular Mission Computer (MMC) een variant van de MMC uit de F-22A Raptor (een site zoals f-16.net geeft foutief aan dat de MMC van de F-16MLU speciaal is ontwikkeld). 
Dit geldt bijvoorbeeld ook voor de F-16AM/BM stuurhut aanpassingen, die uit de F-16C block 50/52 komen.  Idem voor het Improved Data Modem, zit ook in de AH-64D Apache en het British Aerospace Terprom Digital Terrain System.
Of men bij een eventuele F-35A MLU in dezelfde mate zal mee kunnen profiteren van parallelle ontwikkelingen is nog maar de vraag.

Dat geldt eveneens voor de EUR 621 miljoen aan totale F-35A modificaties & opwaarderingen.  Hoe is men tot dit bedrag gekomen ?
Ik kijk niet raar op als het werkelijke bedrag (veel) hoger komt te liggen.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 24/09/2017 | 20:03 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 24/09/2017 | 18:45 uur
Huh ?  Europese F-16 partners ontwikkelen helemaal niets zelf.  Ze mogen hun ideeën, ervaringen, adviezen aandragen en dat is het.  Er is hier alleen sprake van
(co)-productie van F-16 onderdelen en opwaarderingen / moderniseringen.
JSF Partner landen mogen mee ontwikkelen in de System Development & Demonstration (SDD) fase.  En dan maar hopen dat zij volgens de officiële lijn "best value" weten te bereiken, die zich dan hopelijk in orders gaat vertalen.

Wat ik bedoel is dat de Europeaanse F-35 operators gewoon mee kunnen gaan met de hoogst ge-upgrade Amerikaanse varianten (met 1 a 3 jaar vertraging) en dat de niet ge-upgrade varianten een probleem zijn van de Amerikanen zelf. En het zelf ontwikkelen bedoel ik waarbij NL besluit om update 1 uit block 5A en upgrade 2 uit block 4B te halen en dat samen dan een ''eigen'' upgrade noemen.

Ook kunnen we in samenwerking natuurlijk werken aan de integratie van Europese wapens en systemen in de F-35. Hier zullen we dan toestemming voor moeten krijgen maar ik voorzie daarin geen grote problemen tenzij we echt kernwapens van EU afkomst willen inbouwen maar dat gaat (zeer waarschijnlijk) toch niet gebeuren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/09/2017 | 09:44 uur
Bulgarian government backtracks on Gripen selection (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/bulgarian-government-backtracks-on-gripen-selection-441498/)

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/09/2017 | 08:28 uur
Canada considered getting Hornets from Kuwait

Canada kicked tires on used Kuwaiti jets, now looking down under

Canada's Defense Minister Harjit Sajjan revealed on Sept. 28 that besides Australia, Ottawa also approach Kuwait to buy over their F/A-18 Hornets.

However, Kuwait is not able to transfer its surplus aircraft to Canada fast enough and Ottawa is working instead with Australia on taking over their jets.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-kicked-tires-on-used-kuwaiti-jets-now-looking-down-under-sajjan-1.3610427
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/09/2017 | 10:13 uur
Citaat van: ctvnews.ca op 29/09/2017 | 08:28 uur
Canada considered getting Hornets from Kuwait

Canada kicked tires on used Kuwaiti jets, now looking down under

Canada's Defense Minister Harjit Sajjan revealed on Sept. 28 that besides Australia, Ottawa also approach Kuwait to buy over their F/A-18 Hornets.

However, Kuwait is not able to transfer its surplus aircraft to Canada fast enough and Ottawa is working instead with Australia on taking over their jets.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-kicked-tires-on-used-kuwaiti-jets-now-looking-down-under-sajjan-1.3610427

Dit is toch wel te triest voor woorden. Nog even en Canada klopt ook aan bij de landen met de jongste legacy Hornets (Finland en Zwitserland).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 29/09/2017 | 10:38 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 29/09/2017 | 08:28 uur
Canada considered getting Hornets from Kuwait

Canada kicked tires on used Kuwaiti jets, now looking down under

Canada's Defense Minister Harjit Sajjan revealed on Sept. 28 that besides Australia, Ottawa also approach Kuwait to buy over their F/A-18 Hornets.

However, Kuwait is not able to transfer its surplus aircraft to Canada fast enough and Ottawa is working instead with Australia on taking over their jets.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-kicked-tires-on-used-kuwaiti-jets-now-looking-down-under-sajjan-1.3610427

Ik begrijp de hele discussie in Canada niet, ze hebben nieuwe jets nodig maar kunnen er geen besluit overnemen waardoor ze nu 2e hands moeten kopen als tijdelijke oplossing?
Dan hebben de dames en heren in Den Haag het nog niet zo slecht gedaan met maar 37 F-35's. :silent:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/09/2017 | 10:41 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 29/09/2017 | 10:38 uur
Ik begrijp de hele discussie in Canada niet, ze hebben nieuwe jets nodig maar kunnen er geen besluit overnemen waardoor ze nu 2e hands moeten kopen als tijdelijke oplossing?
Dan hebben de dames en heren in Den Haag het nog niet zo slecht gedaan met maar 37 F-35's. :silent:

Politiek gekonkel.... de uiteindelijke uitkomst ligt al zo goed als vast: F35A
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 29/09/2017 | 10:43 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 29/09/2017 | 10:38 uur
Ik begrijp de hele discussie in Canada niet, ze hebben nieuwe jets nodig maar kunnen er geen besluit overnemen waardoor ze nu 2e hands moeten kopen als tijdelijke oplossing?
Dan hebben de dames en heren in Den Haag het nog niet zo slecht gedaan met maar 37 F-35's. :silent:

Sorry hoor Parera, maar borstklopperij voor operationeel dodelijke besluiten begin ik niet aan.
De F35 in zijn geheel is de doodsteek voor de krijgsmacht. Zelfs in de kleine aantallen zoals het er nu voor staat kost dit toestel ons de kop. Een logistieke zeer kostbare nachtmerrie. Dat is het en niets meer.
Hierover moeten we zeker niet trots gaan lopen doen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 29/09/2017 | 10:56 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/09/2017 | 10:41 uur
Politiek gekonkel.... de uiteindelijke uitkomst ligt al zo goed als vast: F35A

Ja het lijkt mij dus ook gewoon een vreemde nutteloze discussie. Canada is al jaren lvl 3 partner in het F-35 programma die totaal al 160 miljoen dollar heeft geïnvesteerd in het programma.

Citaat van: Zander op 29/09/2017 | 10:43 uur
Sorry hoor Parera, maar borstklopperij voor operationeel dodelijke besluiten begin ik niet aan.
De F35 in zijn geheel is de doodsteek voor de krijgsmacht. Zelfs in de kleine aantallen zoals het er nu voor staat kost dit toestel ons de kop. Een logistieke zeer kostbare nachtmerrie. Dat is het en niets meer.
Hierover moeten we zeker niet trots gaan lopen doen.

Het is niet ''De oplossing'' maar toch zeker beter dan dat men weer tussentijds even 18 tweedehands F-16's had gekocht om het besluit nog wat verder vooruit te schuiven.
Maar het is zeker geen schouderklopje voor de haagse politiek.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/09/2017 | 11:00 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 29/09/2017 | 10:43 uur
Sorry hoor Parera, maar borstklopperij voor operationeel dodelijke besluiten begin ik niet aan.
De F35 in zijn geheel is de doodsteek voor de krijgsmacht. Zelfs in de kleine aantallen zoals het er nu voor staat kost dit toestel ons de kop. Een logistieke zeer kostbare nachtmerrie. Dat is het en niets meer.
Hierover moeten we zeker niet trots gaan lopen doen.

Je mag het omdraaien, niet de F35 maar de politiek is de potentiële doodsteek voor de krijgsmacht. De F35A heeft zeker een pittige aanschafprijs en dito exploitatie kosten...

Al eens naar de Eurofighter Typhoon gekeken?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 29/09/2017 | 11:53 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/09/2017 | 11:00 uur

Je mag het omdraaien, niet de F35 maar de politiek is de potentiële doodsteek voor de krijgsmacht. De F35A heeft zeker een pittige aanschafprijs en dito exploitatie kosten...

Al eens naar de Eurofighter Typhoon gekeken?

Zeker. En ik ben ook van mening dat we misschien maar eens genoegen hadden moeten nemen met iets dat wel aan CAS en QRA kan doen maar dat 5e generatie gebeuren is simpelweg te prijzig voor een kleine krijgsmacht. Ik ben niet voor 2e hands oplossingen. Maar een nieuwe F16 had niet misstaan bij ons formaatje krijgsmacht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 29/09/2017 | 12:13 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 29/09/2017 | 11:53 uur
Zeker. En ik ben ook van mening dat we misschien maar eens genoegen hadden moeten nemen met iets dat wel aan CAS en QRA kan doen maar dat 5e generatie gebeuren is simpelweg te prijzig voor een kleine krijgsmacht. Ik ben niet voor 2e hands oplossingen. Maar een nieuwe F16 had niet misstaan bij ons formaatje krijgsmacht.

Als je die taken alleen wilt kunnen uitvoeren: Textron Scorpion a < 20 miljoen dollar per kist. En goedkoop in vlieguren.

Zelf zou ik dan kiezen voor de M-346 multirole, kleine jet trainer met CAS capaciteit maar kan ook zeker de QRA uitvoeren boven de BENELUX past perfect naast de F-35 als trainer en binnen NL prima voor QRA en andere binnenlandse taken.

Hadden we vanaf het begin voor een goedkopere kist gegaan die voor het grootste deel CAS en QRA zou gaan doen had ik de gripen aangeraden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/09/2017 | 12:19 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 29/09/2017 | 11:53 uur
Zeker. En ik ben ook van mening dat we misschien maar eens genoegen hadden moeten nemen met iets dat wel aan CAS en QRA kan doen maar dat 5e generatie gebeuren is simpelweg te prijzig voor een kleine krijgsmacht. Ik ben niet voor 2e hands oplossingen. Maar een nieuwe F16 had niet misstaan bij ons formaatje krijgsmacht.

Laten we niet in die al oude discussie stappen...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/09/2017 | 12:39 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/09/2017 | 12:19 uur
Laten we niet in die al oude discussie stappen...

Precies en het topic gaat niet voor niets om internationale ontwikkelingen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 29/09/2017 | 12:47 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 29/09/2017 | 12:39 uur
Precies en het topic gaat niet voor niets om internationale ontwikkelingen.

Ik liet me even gaan op de reactie van Zander. Maar laten we verder gaan over intl. ipv binnenlandse toestellen. :silent:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 29/09/2017 | 13:35 uur
Citaat van:  ctvnews op 29/09/2017 | 08:28 uur
Canada considered getting Hornets from Kuwait

Canada kicked tires on used Kuwaiti jets, now looking down under

Canada's Defense Minister Harjit Sajjan revealed on Sept. 28 that besides Australia, Ottawa also approach Kuwait to buy over their F/A-18 Hornets.

However, Kuwait is not able to transfer its surplus aircraft to Canada fast enough and Ottawa is working instead with Australia on taking over their jets.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-kicked-tires-on-used-kuwaiti-jets-now-looking-down-under-sajjan-1.3610427

Zijn die tweedehands F18's nu bedoeld als spare parts of hebben deze F18's die aangekocht worden minder vlieguren dan de Canadese F18's en vervangen deze tweedehands toestellen de huidige F18's? 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 29/09/2017 | 13:37 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 29/09/2017 | 13:35 uur
Zijn die tweedehands F18's nu bedoeld als spare parts of hebben deze F18's die aangekocht worden minder vlieguren dan de Canadese F18's en vervangen de tweedehands toestellen de huidige F18's?

Wat ik begreep is dat ze de eigen toestellen gaan vervangen totdat er een nieuw toestel (F-35) gekozen is en in gebruik genomen kan worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/09/2017 | 13:46 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 29/09/2017 | 13:37 uur
Wat ik begreep is dat ze de eigen toestellen gaan vervangen totdat er een nieuw toestel (F-35) gekozen is en in gebruik genomen kan worden.

Alleen zijn de Australische legacy Hornets van ongeveer dezelfde leeftijd (Canada 1982-1988 en Australie 1984-1990) en heeft Canada van de oorspronkelijke 138 stuks vele tientallen voortijdig buiten gebruik gesteld. De 'nieuwe' Hornets moeten wel ongeveer dezelfde updates en upgrades t.o.v. de Canadese Hornets hebben.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 29/09/2017 | 13:58 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 29/09/2017 | 13:46 uur
Alleen zijn de Australische legacy Hornets van ongeveer dezelfde leeftijd (Canada 1982-1988 en Australie 1984-1990) en heeft Canada van de oorspronkelijke 138 stuks vele tientallen voortijdig buiten gebruik gesteld. De 'nieuwe' Hornets moeten wel ongeveer dezelfde updates en upgrades t.o.v. de Canadese Hornets hebben.

Dat zal wel een flinke zak met geld kosten maar dat zijn de gevolgen van politieke draaikonterij.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 29/09/2017 | 14:15 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 29/09/2017 | 13:46 uur
Alleen zijn de Australische legacy Hornets van ongeveer dezelfde leeftijd (Canada 1982-1988 en Australie 1984-1990) en heeft Canada van de oorspronkelijke 138 stuks vele tientallen voortijdig buiten gebruik gesteld. De 'nieuwe' Hornets moeten wel ongeveer dezelfde updates en upgrades t.o.v. de Canadese Hornets hebben.

Dacht juist de Australische F18's  verder zijn in de update en upgrades  de Canadese F18's, dat had ik ergens gelezen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/09/2017 | 14:33 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 29/09/2017 | 14:15 uur
Dacht juist de Australische F18's  verder zijn in de update en upgrades  de Canadese F18's, dat had ik ergens gelezen.

Nieuwer of uitgebreider is natuurlijk altijd beter, als het maar voor Canada werkbaar is. Het ironische is dat als Canada al in de jaren 90 minimaal 18 stuks extra van de MLU hadden voorzien, zij nu niet op zoek hoefden.

Het is typisch Canadees om voortijdig iets overtollig te maken. Dat deden zij al vroeg met de CF-5 en de CF-104 en later met de CF-18.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 29/09/2017 | 14:52 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 29/09/2017 | 14:33 uur
Nieuwer of uitgebreider is natuurlijk altijd beter, als het maar voor Canada werkbaar is. Het ironische is dat als Canada al in de jaren 90 minimaal 18 stuks extra van de MLU hadden voorzien, zij nu niet op zoek hoefden.

Het is typisch Canadees om voortijdig iets overtollig te maken. Dat deden zij al vroeg met de CF-5 en de CF-104 en later met de CF-18.

Het was de bedoeling om 18 nieuwe F/A-18F Super Hornets te kopen bij boeing waarbij bombardier ook een rol speelde mogelijk nieuwbouw in Canada. Maar dat is gestopt door verdenkingen van afspraken tussen boeing en bombardier.

De huidige plannen zijn 18 toestellen aan te kopen (F-18) om later nog eens 88 andere nieuwe toestellen te kopen. Puur een extreem dure tussen oplossing doordat de Canadese politiek niet wil/kan beslissen wat men wil.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/09/2017 | 15:09 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 29/09/2017 | 14:52 uur
Het was de bedoeling om 18 nieuwe F/A-18F Super Hornets te kopen bij boeing waarbij bombardier ook een rol speelde mogelijk nieuwbouw in Canada. Maar dat is gestopt door verdenkingen van afspraken tussen boeing en bombardier.

De huidige plannen zijn 18 toestellen aan te kopen (F-18) om later nog eens 88 andere nieuwe toestellen te kopen. Puur een extreem dure tussen oplossing doordat de Canadese politiek niet wil/kan beslissen wat men wil.

De Super Hornet, goedkeuring voor 10 x F/A-18E en 8 x F/A-18F, is voor Canada inderdaad een dure tussen oplossing.

Er komt een moment dat Trudeau toch voor de F-35A zal kiezen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 29/09/2017 | 15:21 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 29/09/2017 | 15:09 uur
De Super Hornet, goedkeuring voor 10 x F/A-18E en 8 x F/A-18F, is voor Canada inderdaad een dure tussen oplossing.

Er komt een moment dat Trudeau toch voor de F-35A zal kiezen.

Of zijn opvolger......
Hij zit er ook alleen maar voor zich zelf en zijn clubje. In het Canadese belang denkt hij niet. Alles draait om populariteit. De beslissing om niet voor de F35 te gaan is alleen genomen om stemmetjes te winnen in de afgelopen verkiezingen. Om populair te blijven neemt Trudeau dit soort beslissingen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/09/2017 | 15:29 uur
Canada Charged Six Times As Much As US Navy for Super Hornets

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/feature/5/186776/canada-charged-six-times-as-much-as-us-navy-for-super-hornets.html

Analysts Pan Boeing Strategy In Pushing for Tariffs on Canada's Smaller Jet

Leading aerospace analysts are highly critical of Boeing's push to impose steep tariffs on U.S. sales of Bombardier's small CSeries passenger jet, saying the case will damage the long-term interests of both Boeing and the U.S. aerospace industry.

"The free market and free competition are good for us," said Adam Pilarski, a senior vice president with consulting firm Avitas and a leading aviation analyst. "Boeing shouldn't want to move away from that, because to do so will hurt Boeing."

So convinced is Pilarski that this prospect harms U.S. interests, he doesn't believe the 220 percent tariff announced Tuesday ultimately will be imposed on the Canadian plane maker's jets.

.../...

The Canadian government has already put on hold a $5.2 billion deal that was all but finalized for Boeing F/A-18 jet fighters and related weapons systems. The Canadians are known to be interested also in buying P-8 anti-submarine jets and Chinook helicopters from Boeing. For now, those possibilities are off the table, too.

.../...

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/187194/analysts-pan-boeing-strategy-in-pushing-for-tariffs-on-bombardier.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 29/09/2017 | 16:34 uur
Jaja, hier in de UK zitten ze (terecht) ook al met een ei in hun broek.
Stel je voor "onze beste vrienden aan de overkant van den Atlantic" gaan ons en onze bedrijven naaien, nee toch?
May en haar regering in rep en roer en telefoontjes vanuit Belfast van de DUP (hun "coalitiepartijtje", Democratic Unionist Party) want die Noord-Ieren willen garanties voor de Bombardier-werkers.

Het ging allemaal wel goed komen met nieuwe Trade-Deals na de BrExit... Deze BrExit moet nog plaatsvinden einde maart 2019 en nog worden die gekke Conservative Leavers niet wakker.
Trump (en met hem vele Amerikanen) verkondigen al lang "We will make America Great again"... "Buy American"... "America first"...
Boeing denkt dat natuurlijk ook en lobyt lekker om mogelijke concurrenten de pas af te snijden...

Dat het mes aan twee kanten kan snijden kwam bij monde van Michael Fallon - de Britse MinDef... die zei dat Boeing wel eens naast wat contracten zou kunnen grijpen...
Loze dreiging? Afwachten...

Een ding is zeker, in Downing street en op het partijhoofdkwartier moeten ze eens goed wakker worden. Want van wat ik elke dag hoor op het BBC Radio4 nieuws valt in herhaling: Barnier dringt aan op meer info/voorstellen/etc van de UK tijdens de onderhandelingen.
"Hier" denken ze echt nog steeds dat ze in een Empire leven en dat de EU hen zal geven wat ze willen.
Indien ze niet goed opletten staan de Britten in anderhalf jaar op straat zonder deal: Hard Brexit... en dan? Zomaar eventjes alle vracht en passagiersvervoer controleren? Grenzen dicht? Of gewoon grenzen open en nog eens twee jaar "onderhandelen" want Theresa, Boris en David (Davis) bakken er niets van...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/09/2017 | 10:22 uur
Germany Is Looking At These Fighters After Reviewing The F-35

http://www.investors.com/news/germany-is-looking-at-these-fighters-after-reviewing-the-f-35/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/09/2017 | 10:29 uur
Germany asks for Boeing fighter data as weighs order options

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/germany-asks-for-boeing-fighter-data-as-weighs-order-options/article_e9eb6fc5-b19f-5dad-bdb7-fd61f287a474.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share via @PostDispatchbiz
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/09/2017 | 11:18 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/09/2017 | 10:29 uur
Germany asks for Boeing fighter data as weighs order options


Wat mij betreft zouden de Duitsers moeten gaan voor de F15E/SE als interim oplossing, het gaat ze immers om een puur aanvalsvliegtuig met de capaciteiten om ook de B61-12 in te kunnen zetten.

Hebben ze daarnaast ook nog eens een kist die ook op alle andere niveaus een deuk in een pakje boter kan slaan... als missile truck bijvoorbeeld met 10 AMRAAMS of Meteors.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 30/09/2017 | 14:18 uur
Ik denk dat de Duitsers serieus naar twee opties zullen kijken:
- Rafale
- F-35

Puur persoonlijk denk ik dat ze een politieke keuze gaan maken en dan kiezen voor de Rafale om zo verder samen te werken met de Fransen; samen een 5de generatie te gaan ontwikkelen en hiermee een stap maken met een verdere integratie van Europese defensie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/09/2017 | 14:28 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 30/09/2017 | 14:18 uur
Ik denk dat de Duitsers serieus naar twee opties zullen kijken:
- Rafale
- F-35

Puur persoonlijk denk ik dat ze een politieke keuze gaan maken en dan kiezen voor de Rafale om zo verder samen te werken met de Fransen; samen een 5de generatie te gaan ontwikkelen en hiermee een stap maken met een verdere integratie van Europese defensie.

Als Duitsland voor de Rafale kiest, dan moet of het wapenarsenaal van de Luftwaffe of die van de Rafale worden aangepast.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 30/09/2017 | 14:50 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 30/09/2017 | 14:28 uur
Als Duitsland voor de Rafale kiest, dan moet of het wapenarsenaal van de Luftwaffe of die van de Rafale worden aangepast.

Als ze echt samen met Frankrijk een nieuw toestel gaan bouwen gaat daar toch eea aan veranderen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 30/09/2017 | 15:06 uur
Mijn insziens moet "Europa" (om nu eens niet EU-pijler van de NATO te gebruiken) zich eens zorgen beginnen maken omtrent de afhankelijkheid van de Amerikanen.
Samenwerken met hen - helemaal geen probleem mee.
Maar ook nog eens afhankelijk zijn van onze materiaalaankopen vind in onrustwekkend.
Kijk naar wat er gebeurt met een goed Europees produkt, of een produkt gemaakt in Europa wanneer dat probeert door te breken in de Amerikaanse markt.
- Ofwel wordt het met handen en voeten geweerd,
- Ofwel moet er met een lokale partner samengewerkt worden opdat het dan daar in licentie geproduceerd wordt. Want assemblage is ook weer niet goed genoeg.
Er zijn gewoon geen andere opties.
"Wij hier" zijn daar veel te braaf wanneer het op zoiets aankomt. En dat zullen ze hier in de UK deze week ook wel geweten hebben met die saga om de Bombardier toestellen.

Dus indien de Duisters en Fransen samen willen werken aan een nieuw toestel kan ik dat alleen maar toejuichen. Dat er dan een andere bewapening aan te pas komt moeten we er dan maar bijnemen. Me dunkt dat men in Europa over nog voldoende ontwerp en produktiecapaciteiten beschikt... maar we moeten niet te lang meer dralen voordat dat ook begint te verdwijnen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 30/09/2017 | 15:12 uur
Inderdaad!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/09/2017 | 15:17 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 30/09/2017 | 14:50 uur
Als ze echt samen met Frankrijk een nieuw toestel gaan bouwen gaat daar toch eea aan veranderen.

Ongetwijfeld, maar als de Rafale sneller wordt aangeschaft, dan zal er toch iets moeten gebeuren. Houdt Duitsland bijvoorbeeld de IRIS-T en Taurus aan of vervangt men deze door bijvoorbeeld door MICA IR en SCALP? De Rafale heeft naast hoofdzakelijk Franse wapens de internationale Meteor en Amerikaanse geleide bommen (diverse gewichtsklassen).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/10/2017 | 09:54 uur
Argentina to buy Super Etendard Modernise aircraft (http://www.janes.com/article/74595/argentina-to-buy-super-etendard-moderis%E9-aircraft)

Janes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 04/10/2017 | 10:15 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 04/10/2017 | 09:54 uur
Argentina to buy Super Etendard Modernise aircraft (http://www.janes.com/article/74595/argentina-to-buy-super-etendard-moderis%E9-aircraft)
Janes
Interessant... dat was een optie die ik helemaal niet had overwogen.
Mss is het ook de goedkoopst mogelijke deal die de Argentijnen konden afsluiten. En voor de Fransen nog wat geld voor vliegtuigen die anders op een sokkel aan de ingang van een luchtmachtbasis of in een museum zouden eindigen (of gewoonweg verschroting).
Benieuwd of er ook nog een partijtje AM-39 aan toegevoegd worden?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 04/10/2017 | 13:17 uur
Het is waarschijnlijk de goedkoopste oplossing voor Argentinië. Weet iemand hoeveel Super-Étendard Modernisé er in totaal nog zijn? Ik vermoed dat Argentinië er nog meer gaat aanschaffen voor de luchtmacht de A4 Skyhawks  gaat volgend jaar met pensioen sturen en de Mirage III en Mirage V die uitgefaseerd moeten toch ook vervangen gaan worden.

http://www.infodefensa.com/latam/2016/07/28/noticia-fuerza-aerea-argentina-anuncia-desprogramacion-sistema.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/10/2017 | 15:32 uur
Brazil reveals Gripen production schedule, Embraer's manufacturing role (http://www.janes.com/article/74696/brazil-reveals-gripen-production-schedule-embraer-s-manufacturing-role)

Janes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 10/10/2017 | 21:52 uur
BAE Systems to cut nearly 2,000 UK jobs

Defence contractor deals blow to manufacturing sector after lack of orders for its Eurofighter Typhoon jet

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/10/bae-systems-job-cuts-eurofighter-typhoon-orders (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/10/bae-systems-job-cuts-eurofighter-typhoon-orders)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 10/10/2017 | 23:15 uur
Die verwachten dus ook geen order voor een 34-tal Belgische...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 11/10/2017 | 17:33 uur
Oostenrijk is ontevreden over hoe de aanschaf van haar Typhoons a.k.a. 'Teurofighters' verliep.  Er is nu een juridische strijd gaande tussen Oostenrijkse regering vs het Eurofighter consortium en  Airbus Defense & Space vanwege vermeende frauduleuze misleiding bij zowel de aanschaf van oorspronkelijk 18 Typhoons, als de onderhandelingen over verandering van die aanschaf-overeenkomst naar slechts 15 kisten in 2007.

Teurofighters ?
Een samenvoeging van teuer (duur op z'n Duits) en Eurofighter.
Want: een Cost Per Flight Hour van circa EUR 80.000.  Yikes !
Ze kijken daar nu naar alternatieven zoals de Gripen en F-16.

Naast deze occasion 15 Tranche 1 Typhoons, heeft ook de RAF haar Tranche 1 'Tyffies' twee-zitters in de etalage staan.
Noot: het is overigens te duur om deze Tranche 1 kisten naast hun luchtverdedigingstaak ook nog een aanval-capaciteit te geven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/10/2017 | 17:49 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 11/10/2017 | 17:33 uur
Ze kijken daar nu naar alternatieven zoals de Gripen en F-16.


Ik gok op vervanging door Saab Gripen C/D of E/F.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 12/10/2017 | 12:07 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/10/2017 | 17:49 uur
Ik gok op vervanging door Saab Gripen C/D of E/F.

Die kans is wel groot ja. Oostenrijk gebruikt ze nooit buiten de landsgrenzen operationeel en voor QRA taken is de gripen perfect en niet duur.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/10/2017 | 13:48 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 12/10/2017 | 12:07 uur
Die kans is wel groot ja. Oostenrijk gebruikt ze nooit buiten de landsgrenzen operationeel en voor QRA taken is de gripen perfect en niet duur.

Los daarvan, een ander voorbeeld is de F16, maar als India niet gaat voor deze kist dan valt het doek voor de productie en moet jij nog 30-40 jaar doen met een kist die plotseling aanzienlijk duurder is geworden in de ondersteuning en opwaardering.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 12/10/2017 | 14:42 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/10/2017 | 17:49 uur
Ik gok op vervanging door Saab Gripen C/D of E/F.

Indien Oostenrijk samen met Zwitserland tegelijkertijd de Saab Gripen E/F zou aankopen zal de prijs van het toestel en de spare parts een stuk goedkoper worden dan dat men deze alleen koopt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/10/2017 | 14:46 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 12/10/2017 | 14:42 uur
Indien Oostenrijk samen met Zwitserland tegelijkertijd de Saab Gripen E/F zou aankopen zal de prijs van het toestel en de spare parts een stuk goedkoper worden dan dat men deze alleen koopt.

Er zitten te veel jaren tussen, Zwitserland moet nog een volledig nieuw evaluatie proces in. Met elkaar praten kan natuurlijk altijd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/10/2017 | 20:22 uur
Indian Air Force wants out of fighter program with Russia

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017/10/20/indian-air-force-wants-out-of-fighter-program-with-russia/#.Weo-wlXcoHA.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/10/2017 | 09:18 uur
Design evolution of the F-22 Raptor

http://www.aerotechnews.com/blog/2017/10/21/a-gathering-of-eagles-design-evolution-of-the-f-22-raptor/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 22/10/2017 | 18:37 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/10/2017 | 13:48 uur
Los daarvan, een ander voorbeeld is de F16, maar als India niet gaat voor deze kist dan valt het doek voor de productie en moet jij nog 30-40 jaar doen met een kist die plotseling aanzienlijk duurder is geworden in de ondersteuning en opwaardering.
Over enkele jaren moet het JSF programma met de billen bloot.
Het oorspronkelijke plan voorzag in een "affordable" (betaalbaar) jachtvliegtuig a USD 37,1 miljoen = was ca. NLG 74 miljoen per stuk.
Dit zou bereikt worden door 1 vol-continue productielijn in Fort Worth, die ze als zoete broodjes in grote aantallen zou uitleveren.
Dat business model is echter helemaal in duigen gevallen.  In 2012 concludeerde de Canadese Rekenkamer: "The JSF project. It's a Mess !"
Terwijl de JAS-39A/B Gripen al NLG 80 miljoen deed, begin deze eeuw zou volgens de kandidaten-evaluatie een Typhoon NLG 120 miljoen moeten kosten en de Rafale tenslotte NLG 130 miljoen.
Daar ga je met USD 165 - 235 miljoen per F-35A, maar dit kan gemakkelijk oplopen naar rond de USD 250 miljoen per kist.
En daar ga je met je Cost Per Flight Hour die de US Air Force schat op rond de USD 50.000 !

De F-16 werd een verkoop succes omdat aan 2 eisen werd voldaan: Op de juiste tijd in de markt zetten en een uitmuntende prijs - kwaliteit verhouding, die superieur is aan elk ander in dienst zijnde jachtvliegtuig type.
De F-35 is echter inmiddels al 7 jaar over tijd en wordt TE duur in aanschaf en gebruik.

Als ik eens kijk naar de F-16C/D Brakeet met zijn uit de Lavi afkomstige avionica-pakket, dan is deze qua capaciteiten superieur aan de F-16C/D block 50/52 en bijna gelijk aan de F-22A Raptor.
De F-16I Sufa en F-15I Ra' am hebben avionica die superieur is aan die in de F-22A Raptor en benaderd de vaardigheden van de F-35A.
Dat zelfde geldt voor de F-16E/F Desert Falcon die qua missie software 100 % afwijkt van de de F-16C/D block 50/52.

Bedenk dat de jachtvliegtuig markt de vorm heeft van een piramide, goedkope, lichte niet al te complexe kisten zoals de F-16, F-5, Mirage III, MiG-21 en MiG-29 zitten in het onderste deel met relatief grote afzet volumes.  In het midden-segment vindt je de F-18C/D, F-18E/F, Mirage 2000.  In het bovenste deel van dat midden-segment zitten de Rafale en Typhoon.  En in het top-segment: de F-22A Raptor, F-15 Eagle en F-35.
Heel veel klanten zitten helemaal niet te wachten op een groot, zwaar, zeer complex dus (peper)duur jachtvliegtuig met een Max. Take Off Weight gelijk aan de F-15C Eagle,
met vlieg-prestaties die de mindere zijn van bijvoorbeeld de F-16C block 50/52.

Terug naar Oostenrijk.
De Oostenrijkse luchtmacht leiding had oorspronkelijk een voorkeur voor de Gripen.
Maar de heren politici besloten om dit defensie materieel project te gaan besturen en kozen voor de Typhoon.  Pure overkill.
En dan gaat het fout, met als gevolg overschrijdingen van tijdschema en begroting.
Het Joint Strike Fighter project is overigens ook een idee van politici, denk maar eens aan de F-111 Aarvark.  ;)

Er vliegen nog steeds een aardig aantal F-5 Freedom Fighters / Tigers rond.  En velen zijn opgewaardeerd in de VS, Turkije, Belgie, Israel of Brazilie.
Dat zal ook met de F-16 familie gebeuren.  Van de F-16A/B heeft de US Air Force er overigens nog honderden in de woestijn geparkeerd staan, met nog voldoende uren op het airframe en motor.  Om een klant zoals Oostenrijk er enkele decennia profijt te laten hebben.

Oorspronkelijk was het de bedoeling dat deze F-16A/B's net als onze 'Vipers' een Mid Life Update (MLU) zouden ondergaan.  Het congres zag echter meer in nieuwbouw F-16C/D's dan gemoderniseerde F-16A/B tjes.  Wij kwamen uiteindelijk met een MLU programma te zitten dat TE duur was.
Maar landen zoals Zweden, Frankrijk en Israel hebben laten zien dat zij wel in staat zijn om kosten-effectieve, lees waar voor je geld, opwaardering projecten op te zetten met kleinere aantallen onder handen te nemen kisten.

Daarnaast kan Oostenrijk natuurlijk kijken naar uitgefaseerde Gripens.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/10/2017 | 20:08 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 22/10/2017 | 18:37 uur

Daarnaast kan Oostenrijk natuurlijk kijken naar uitgefaseerde Gripens.

Ik gok op de Gripen, ik zie ze niet als enige west Europese land de F16 gebruiken tot ver in deze eeuw, maar zoals altijd, verrassingen zitten in een klein hoekje.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/10/2017 | 08:12 uur
Egypt reportedly mulling optional Rafale and Gowind 2500 purchases

http://quwa.org/2017/10/22/egypt-reportedly-mulling-optional-rafale-gowind-2500-purchases/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 23/10/2017 | 08:47 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/10/2017 | 08:12 uur
Egypt reportedly mulling optional Rafale and Gowind 2500 purchases

http://quwa.org/2017/10/22/egypt-reportedly-mulling-optional-rafale-gowind-2500-purchases/

Waar haalt Egypte al dat geld vandaan? Egypte is economisch praktisch een tweede Griekenland in volle recessie. En dan nog al haar geld in wapens deponeren (crazy)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/10/2017 | 08:49 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 23/10/2017 | 08:47 uur
Waar haalt Egypte al dat geld vandaan? Egypte is economisch praktisch een tweede Griekenland in volle recessie. En dan nog al haar geld in wapens deponeren (crazy)

Ten Oosten van Egypte vindt je een rijke sponsor...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 23/10/2017 | 09:30 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 23/10/2017 | 08:47 uur
Waar haalt Egypte al dat geld vandaan? Egypte is economisch praktisch een tweede Griekenland in volle recessie. En dan nog al haar geld in wapens deponeren (crazy)

De oliesjeiken voorzien heel Noord-Afrika van wapens.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 23/10/2017 | 10:59 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 23/10/2017 | 08:47 uur
Waar haalt Egypte al dat geld vandaan? Egypte is economisch praktisch een tweede Griekenland in volle recessie. En dan nog al haar geld in wapens deponeren (crazy)

Veel materiaal word inderdaad ''gedoneerd'' door de VS dit is vaak oud materiaal dat de VS niet meer wil hebben of betaald door de grote vriend Saudi Arabië.
Zo zouden de 2 Mistrals ook gekocht zijn met geld van SA.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/10/2017 | 20:44 uur
Bulgaria backpedals on Saab Gripen purchase, considers F-16 and Eurofighter

http://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2017/10/23/bulgaria-backpedals-on-saab-gripen-purchase-considers-f-16-and-eurofighter/#.We44PCUN11g.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/10/2017 | 09:40 uur
First F-35B assembled outside of the U.S. makes first flight in Italy (https://theaviationist.com/?p=45322)

The Aviationist
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/10/2017 | 07:48 uur
Northrop Grumman Has Patented A Kinetic Missile Defense System For Stealth Aircraft

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/15491/northrop-grumman-has-patented-a-kinetic-missile-defense-system-for-stealth-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 27/10/2017 | 10:31 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/10/2017 | 07:48 uur
Northrop Grumman Has Patented A Kinetic Missile Defense System For Stealth Aircraft

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/15491/northrop-grumman-has-patented-a-kinetic-missile-defense-system-for-stealth-aircraft

Ik snap niet waarom dit er nog lang niet is. een actief verdedigingssysteem tegen inkomende raketten... moesten we daar nou tot 2017 op wachten?
En ik zou het niet doen met kinetische munitie, maar met laser. maar dat ben ik.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 27/10/2017 | 11:51 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 27/10/2017 | 10:31 uur
Ik snap niet waarom dit er nog lang niet is. een actief verdedigingssysteem tegen inkomende raketten... moesten we daar nou tot 2017 op wachten?
En ik zou het niet doen met kinetische munitie, maar met laser. maar dat ben ik.

Lasers zijn nog niet zo ver ontwikkeld dat men ze kwijt kan in kleine vliegtuigen. Dit zal er zeker komen maar daarop moeten we nog enkele jaren wachten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/10/2017 | 10:49 uur
The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Program Had A Pretty Rough Week

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/15550/the-f-35-joint-strike-fighter-program-has-had-a-pretty-rough-week
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/10/2017 | 10:57 uur
Can South Korea build its own fighter jet?

http://ati.ms/OtlOYz via @asiatimesonline
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/10/2017 | 11:09 uur
Chinese Fighter Developments Revealed 

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2017-10-27/chinese-fighter-developments-revealed
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/10/2017 | 11:11 uur
Saab Gripen E voor het eerst supersoon

https://www.pilootenvliegtuig.nl/2017/10/27/saab-toont-vernieuwde-gripen-e/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 30/10/2017 | 11:02 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/10/2017 | 10:49 uur
The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Program Had A Pretty Rough Week

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/15550/the-f-35-joint-strike-fighter-program-has-had-a-pretty-rough-week

Ook meer main stream pakt dit op:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-struggles-with-f-35-sustainment-442609/ (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-struggles-with-f-35-sustainment-442609/)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 30/10/2017 | 23:33 uur
Nou nou.. 20% aan de grond wegens voorraad reserveonderdelen tekort.


KUTTOESTEEEEEEL, RELLEEEEN
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: MasterChief1971 op 31/10/2017 | 00:35 uur
J-S-F.... HOO-LI-GANS!!!!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/10/2017 | 07:52 uur
Turkey expresses interest in buying F-35B STOVL variant | Jane's 360

http://www.janes.com/article/75300/turkey-expresses-interest-in-buying-f-35b-stovl-variant#.WfgddR7WIp8.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/11/2017 | 13:32 uur
Ook de Noorse tv laat de aankomst van hun F-35 vandaag met een live stream zien.

https://tv.nrk.no/direkte/event/f11159


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 03/11/2017 | 15:07 uur
Report On the Basis for Decision Prepared By the Danish Ministry of Defence Concerning Procurement of 27 F-35 Combat Aircraft

The purpose of the study is to assess whether the Ministry of Defence has elaborated an adequate basis for the decision to procure 27 F-35 combat aircraft. The report answers the following questions:

-- Has the Ministry of Defence carried out an adequate evaluation of whether the procurement of 27 F-35 combat aircraft will meet the level of ambition set out for the Danish combat aircraft?

-- Has the Ministry of Defence's applied an appropriate model for the analysis of the life-cycle costs of procuring 27 F-35 combat aircraft?

It is Rigsrevisionen's assessment that generally the basis for decision is founded on thoroughly conducted analyses and calculations. However, the study shows that the Ministry of Defence has neither provided evidence of some of the significant assumptions underlying the calculations nor reflected the uncertainty associated with the assumptions.

It is Rigsrevisionen's assessment that this will increase the risk beyond what is indicated in the basis for decision that, the Danish Defence will be unable to perform all the agreed tasks with the 27 F-35 combat aircraft.

CONCLUSION

The political agreement to procure new combat aircraft was made on the basis for decision provided by the Ministry of Defence. It is Rigsrevisionen's assessment that generally the basis for decision is underpinned by thorough analyses and calculations.

However, the study shows that the Ministry of Defence has not provided evidence of a number of key assumptions underlying the calculations, nor has it reflected the uncertainty associated with the assumptions.

It is Rigsrevisionen's assessment that there is a higher risk – than indicated in the basis for the decision – that the Danish Defence will be unable to perform all the agreed tasks with the 27 F-35 combat aircraft.(Emphasis added throughout—Ed.)

Rigsrevisionen's study shows that the calculation of the necessary number of flight hours is based on assumptions concerning synergy and the pilots' working conditions. However, these assumptions are not sufficiently evidenced nor is the possibility that they do not hold adequately reflected.

The study also shows that the Ministry of Defence's calculation of the total number of flying hours for the 27 F-35s does not reflect potential shortcomings of the assumptions concerning average number of flying hours per year or the availability rate of the aircraft.

Therefore, there is a risk that the requirement for flying hours has been under-estimated, and the total number of flying hours overestimated. 

The basis for decision should have highlighted the risk related to the necessary number of flight hours and the total number of flying hours, since both aspects have an impact on the ability of the 27 F-35 combat aircraft to deliver all the required tasks.

Furthermore, Rigsrevisionen's study shows that the Ministry of Defence has estimated the life-cycle costs for the 27 F-35 combat aircraft at approximately DKK 66 billion over 30 years. Generally, the Ministry of Defence has employed an adequate model for calculating the life-cycle-costs, but the ministry has not adequately reflected all the risks associated with the underlying assumptions concerning, for instance, synergy and the pilots' working conditions.

Therefore, the ministry may have underestimated the costs allocated to cover risks, which may increase the estimated life-cycle costs. 

The Ministry of Defence has informed Rigsrevisionen that if these risks materialise, it would expect the capabilities of the Danish Defence to deliver the expected tasks to be affected first.

Based on the results of the study, Rigsrevisionen finds that the Ministry of Defence should improve the Danish Parliament's basis for decision in connection with the submission of the request for approval of the procurement to the Finance Committee by:

 Accounting for the risk associated with the key assumptions, including the inherent risk that the  Danish Defence cannot deliver all the expected tasks with the 27 F-35 combat aircraft.

 Updating the estimated costs to cover risks and more clearly reflect the risk associated with the estimated total life-cycle costs.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/188102/danish-auditor-questions-basis-for-f_35-selection.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 03/11/2017 | 16:12 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 03/11/2017 | 13:32 uur
Ook de Noorse tv laat de aankomst van hun F-35 vandaag met een live stream zien.

https://tv.nrk.no/direkte/event/f11159

3x F35 zojuist geland en opgelijnd op de flight.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/11/2017 | 17:07 uur
Joint Fighter Jet Plan Finding Favor with European Nations: Airbus D & S CEO
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/21146/Joint_Fighter_Jet_Plan_Finding_Favor_with_European_Nations__Airbus_D___S_CEO#.WfyT_lDgIAw.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/11/2017 | 17:09 uur
Airbus urges European fighter to counter US dominance

http://www.worldbulletin.net/america-canada/195579/airbus-urges-european-fighter-to-counter-us-dominance
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/11/2017 | 09:48 uur
Airbus, Dassault vie for leadership of Franco-German fighter

http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-airbus-dassault-vie-for-leadership-of-franco-german-fighter-2017-11 via @BI_Europe
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/11/2017 | 11:47 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/11/2017 | 09:48 uur
Airbus, Dassault vie for leadership of Franco-German fighter


Geen onbelangrijk punt om een Eurofighter II te laten slagen en er geen compromis bak van te maken, zal het ze (dit keer wel) lukken?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/11/2017 | 12:48 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 04/11/2017 | 12:30 uur
Een compromis-loos design bestaat niet.
Dat is 1 dimensioneel denken.

Compromisloos is idd overdreven maar laat ze het beperken tot een hoofdaannemer en een bepekt invulling van individuele wensen en eisen.... geen 30 varianten van 1 type.

Daarnaast geen oeverloze discussies, er zal tempo gemaakt moeten worden wil men binnen de doelstelling de kist operationeel inzetbaar hebben.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/11/2017 | 17:34 uur
Trump could let the UAE buy F-35 jets

http://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/dubai-air-show/2017/11/04/trump-could-let-the-uae-buy-f-35-jets/#.Wf3r0YSMzqU.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 05/11/2017 | 01:19 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/11/2017 | 11:47 uur
Geen onbelangrijk punt om een Eurofighter II te laten slagen en er geen compromis bak van te maken, zal het ze (dit keer wel) lukken?
De Eurofighter I bestaat helemaal niet, dat is de Typhoon, welke geproduceerd wordt door het consortium Eurofighter GmbH.
Deze Typhoon is ook helemaal geen 'compromis bak'.  Ik kan mij nog goed het model op ware grootte herinneren van de TKF-90 (Taktischer Kampf Flugzeug 90 ziger Jahre)
op de Hannover Luft-, und Raumfahrt Messe van 1980 !   Dat toenmalige TKF-90 model leek toen al als 2 druppels water op de latere Typhoon.  Het TKF-90 concept was primair gericht op de luchtverdediging / luchtoverwicht taak, met een secundaire grondaanval taak.   Rond deze tijd waren ook sub-scale modellen en artist impressions te zien van de Franse Avion de Combat Experimental Futur (ACX) en zijn Britse tegenhanger, de P110.  De ACX en P110 leken qua uiterlijk met hun inlaten op de flanken aardig op elkaar.

Frankrijk had de vrij nieuwe Mirage F1 in dienst en was bezig met de introductie van de Mirage 2000.  De ACX was moest niet alleen de Mirage III en F1 in de luchtverdediging taak vervangen, maar ook het Jaguar grondaanval vliegtuig, dus swing-role.  In Zweden volgden ze een vergelijkbaar, maar veel lichter en goedkoper swing-role concept. 
De JAS 39 Gripen, JAS staat voor Jakt Attack Spaning (= verkenning), over compromis bak gesproken.
De Britten, Duitsers, Italianen en Spanjaarden zochten vooral een vervanger voor hun Lightning's, Starfighters, Mirage III's en diverse F-4 Phantom varianten die primair echter luchtverdediging deden.

Errr ... zo een 30 jaar geleden eiste Dassault ook dat ze 50 % van de ontwikkeling en productie-pakket van een eventueel pan-Europees jachtvliegtuig voor hun rekening
wilden nemen.
De andere partner landen, het VK, Duitsland, Italia en Spanje waren het daar ook niet mee eens en dus ging Frankrijk haar eigen weg met haar ACX / Rafale project.
Van het begin af aan moest deze Rafale dus omni-role worden.  Dus zowel de luchtverdediging als grondaanval taak beide goed kunnen uitvoeren.
Het is dan ook niet verwonderlijk dat de Rafale 'compromis bak' qua lucht-lucht prestaties de mindere is van de Typhoon.  Maar in de lucht-grond taak is de Rafale weer de meerdere van de Typhoon.  Toch mag dit Rafale compromis ontwerp geslaagd worden genoemd.
Het toppunt van een 'compromis bak' is overigens een kist die veel gemeen heeft met de Rafale ... de F-35A/B/C familie.

Compromissen zijn dus niet het probleem.
Vroeger hadden de Panavia partner landen die de Tornado bouwden een drie landen opleiding centrum op de Duitse vliegbasis Jever.
Dat gezamenlijke opleiding centrum bestaat niet meer, want de Tornado's van de 3 partnerlanden wijken inmiddels teveel van elkaar af, ontstaan doordat men niet gezamenlijk maar nationaal opwaardering programma's doorvoerden.
Ook tussen de Typhoons van de partnerlanden zitten grote verschillen in uitrusting (niveau's).  Dat beperkt niet alleen de interoperabiliteit maar ook verhoogd ook de investering en exploitatie kosten.
Datzelfde probleem zie we ook bij de Tiger / Tigre helikopter en vooral bij de NH-90 heli familie.

Kom daar maar eens om bij de F-16 Fighting Falcon.  Toen de Amerikanen de 'Viper' aanboden aan diverse Europese luchtmachten, vonden deze dat de bijtank installatie in de romp rug wat hen betreft overbodig was en dus niet ingebouwd hoefde te worden.
De fabrikant was echter uiterst terug houdend met het inwilligen van dit soort nationale eisen, want dat zou de prijs alleen maar opdrijven.
Het ging zelfs zo ver, dat men er op aandrong om zelfs de camouflage kleuren en schema gelijk te houden aan dat van de US Air Force.
Alleen de Noren kozen toen als enigste Europese klant voor een egaal licht-grijs camouflage schema.
De eerste Europese F-16 klanten, NL, BE, NO en Denemarken, plus later Portugal, gingen ook samenwerken in het European Participating Air Force (EPAF) verband.
Gezamenlijk werden dan opwaardering en modernisering programma's uitgevoerd zoals het Operational Capability Upkeep (OCU) en Mid Life Update (MLU) project.
Dit om de kosten te drukken en de interoperabiliteit zo groot mogelijk te houden.

Een belangrijke les voor die zogenaamd grote Europese landen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/11/2017 | 10:50 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 05/11/2017 | 01:19 uur
Een belangrijke les voor die zogenaamd grote Europese landen.

Laat ze die les dan ter harte nemen en zsm de kogel door de kerk jagen en beginnen, time is running out.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/11/2017 | 19:31 uur
Russia Works on MiG-41 Doomsday Fighter Jet

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/188148/russia-to-test-new-mig_41-fighter-jet-by-2020.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/11/2017 | 08:56 uur
Lockheed Martin to produce high power laser for fighter jet

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Falert5.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F11%2FLockheed_Martin_SHIELD_OPSEC1.jpg&hash=5811fa2e47673fb62a64becdaa9f616edb81ac67)

Lockheed Martin has secured a $26.3 million contract from the U.S. Air Force Research Lab (AFRL) to design, develop and produce a high power fiber laser that will be tested on a tactical fighter jet by 2021.

The press release from the company said the contract is part of AFRL's Self-protect High Energy Laser Demonstrator (SHiELD) program.

Lees meer via http://alert5.com/2017/11/07/lockheed-martin-to-produce-high-power-laser-for-fighter-jet/#hljtRfJGh2eTef4T.99


Lockheed Martin Receives Contract to Develop Compact Airborne High Energy Laser Capabilities

BOTHELL, Wash., Nov. 6, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- The Air Force Research Lab (AFRL) awarded Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT) $26.3 million for the design, development and production of a high power fiber laser. AFRL plans to test the laser on a tactical fighter jet by 2021. The contract is part of AFRL's Self-protect High Energy Laser Demonstrator (SHiELD) program, and is a major step forward in the maturation of protective airborne laser systems.


Lockheed Martin is helping the Air Force Research Lab develop and mature high energy laser weapon systems, including the high energy laser pictured in this rendering. Credit: Air Force Research Lab

"Lockheed Martin continues to rapidly advance laser weapon systems and the technologies that make them possible," said Dr. Rob Afzal, senior fellow of laser weapon systems at Lockheed Martin. "We have demonstrated our ability to use directed energy to counter threats from the ground, and look forward to future tests from the air as part of the SHiELD system."

The SHiELD program includes three subsystems:
•SHiELD Turret Research in Aero Effects (STRAFE), the beam control system, which will direct the laser onto the target
•Laser Pod Research & Development (LPRD), the pod mounted on the tactical fighter jet, which will power and cool the laser
•Laser Advancements for Next-generation Compact Environments (LANCE), the high energy laser itself, which can be trained on adversary targets to disable them

LANCE is designed to operate in a compact environment, and as such, the Lockheed Martin team focused on developing a compact, high efficiency laser within challenging size, weight and power constraints.

"Earlier this year, we delivered a 60 kW-class laser to be installed on a U.S. Army ground vehicle. It's a completely new and different challenge to get a laser system into a smaller, airborne test platform. It's exciting to see this technology mature enough to embed in an aircraft," said Afzal. "The development of high power laser systems like SHiELD show laser weapon system technologies are becoming real. The technologies are ready to be produced, tested and deployed on aircraft, ground vehicles and ships."

Lockheed Martin has more than 40 years of experience developing laser weapon systems. The LANCE contract leverages technology building blocks from internal research and development projects, including the ATHENA system and ALADIN laser, as well as contract experience gained from programs such as the U.S. Army's Robust Electric Laser Initiative (RELI) program.

For more information, visit: www.lockheedmartin.com/directedenergy.

http://news.lockheedmartin.com/2017-11-06-Lockheed-Martin-Receives-Contract-to-Develop-Compact-Airborne-High-Energy-Laser-Capabilities#assets_117
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 08/11/2017 | 11:24 uur
Germany declared preference for F-35 to replace Tornado

The German Air Force has a shortlist of existing platforms to replace its Panavia Tornados from 2025 to 2030, but the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) is the service's "preferred choice", a senior service official said on 8 November.

Speaking under the Chatham House Rule, the official said that the F-35 already fulfils most of the requirements that the Luftwaffe requires to replace its Tornados in the 2025 to 2030 timeframe, and that it offers a number of other benefits besides.

"The Tornado replacement needs to be fifth-generation aircraft that can be detected as late as possible, if at all. It must be able to identify targets from a long way off and to target them as soon as possible.

"The German Ministry of Defence [MoD] is looking at several aircraft today, including the F-35 – it is commercially available already, has been ordered by many nations and is being introduced into service today, and has most of the capabilities required."

Germany had previously engaged Airbus Defence and Space (DS) in defining the requirements for a future Tornado replacement under its Future Combat Air System (FCAS) programme. However, the timelines involved of an anticipated retirement of the Tornado in about 2030 has caused the Luftwaffe to look instead at an already developed platform. As the official explained, "The timeframe suggests we need to start introducing successor in about 2025 to cover the Tornado retirement in 2030 – we need a five-year transition phase. That is only seven years away, and so it is very unlikely that industry could develop and introduce an entirely new aircraft type that fulfils the functionalities that we require. History show that the Eurofighter took 25 years before the first aircraft was introduced."

[Source: Janes.com ]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 08/11/2017 | 12:17 uur
haha geniaal. Er zullen een boel stokbroden gefrustreerd raken door dit bericht. Ja maar.. ja maar ..  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 08/11/2017 | 12:19 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 08/11/2017 | 11:24 uur
Germany declared preference for F-35 to replace Tornado
...
F-35 – it is commercially available already, has been ordered by many nations and is being introduced into service today, and has most of the capabilities required.
Jaja, maar toch nog niet "rijp" in de ogen van velen.
Kan de Luftwaffe alleen maar hopen dat indien het deze wordt, ze dan ook effectief kan wat nu alleen nog op papier staat.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/11/2017 | 12:23 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 08/11/2017 | 12:19 uur
Jaja, maar toch nog niet "rijp" in de ogen van velen.
Kan de Luftwaffe alleen maar hopen dat indien het deze wordt, ze dan ook effectief kan wat nu alleen nog op papier staat.

Daarentegen wordt wel over de periode 2025-2030 gesproken. De F-35 is tegen die tijd ook gewoon een stuk verder. Laat de eventuele Duitse order maar in Cameri assembleren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 08/11/2017 | 15:46 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/11/2017 | 12:23 uur
Daarentegen wordt wel over de periode 2025-2030 gesproken. De F-35 is tegen die tijd ook gewoon een stuk verder. Laat de eventuele Duitse order maar in Cameri assembleren.
Een Duitse order voor de F-35 als (tussen oplossing) voor vervanging van de Tornado zou ook voor de KLU en BV-NL goed nieuws zijn.
Naast het samenwerken zal ook het onderhoud van de evt Duitse F-35A's uitgevoerd worden in Nederland en ook de reserve delen komen vanuit Woensdrecht.

De huidige 85 - 93 stuks Tornado's vragen toch een behoorlijk aantal vervangers. Ik verwacht een 48 - 85 stuks afhankelijk of het een tussen oplossing word of de directe vervanging.
Ook zou het een boost kunnen geven aan NL om een x aantal ECR varianten aan te kopen bij een vervolg order (die iedereen toch verwacht).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 09/11/2017 | 10:35 uur
https://www.ad.nl/binnenland/nederlands-bedrijf-leverde-militaire-goederen-illegaal-aan-rusland~a2aa9527/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/11/2017 | 19:48 uur
Shopping for Fighters: Is the Chinese/Pakistani JF-17 Thunder the Real "Joint Strike Fighter"?

http://disq.us/t/2vqqafz
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/11/2017 | 19:52 uur
Middle East fighter jet sales to surge over the next 5 years

http://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/dubai-air-show/2017/11/09/middle-east-fighter-jet-sales-to-surge-over-the-next-5-years/#.WgSjyWV011s.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/11/2017 | 21:41 uur
Airbus reveals future New Fighter concept | Jane's 360

http://www.janes.com/article/75550/airbus-reveals-future-new-fighter-concept#.WgS9P77xfAg.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/11/2017 | 09:28 uur
Switzerland to spend no more than $8 billion on new fighter jets    ( here we go again .... )

ZURICH (Reuters) - Switzerland will spend no more than 8 billion Swiss francs ($8 billion) to purchase new fighter jets and missile defenses, the government said on Wednesday, toward the lower end of three options previously considered.

The government has tasked the defense department to look at which aircraft to buy, and wants it to begin talks with Airbus, Boeing, Dassault, Lockheed Martin and Saab.

As well as for defense, neutral Switzerland uses fighter jets to police the skies during events like the World Economic Forum in Davos. It wants the new planes to be delivered by 2025.

Switzerland is looking to replace its fleet of Boeing McDonnell Douglas F/A-18C and D Hornets and outdated Northrop F-5 Tigers, all of which are scheduled to be retired in the 2020s.

A defense ministry task force said in a report published in May that the most expensive and powerful option would be to buy 55-70 aircraft and ground-based air defense weapons for an estimated 15 billion to 18 billion francs.

The least expensive option would have been procuring 20 jets and accompanying ground-based air defense systems for 5 billion francs.

($1 = 0.9998 Swiss francs)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-swiss-defence/switzerland-to-spend-no-more-than-8-billion-on-new-fighter-jets-idUSKBN1D82HT
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 10/11/2017 | 09:42 uur
Hmm aardig bedrag voor hun ambities.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 10/11/2017 | 11:15 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 10/11/2017 | 09:42 uur
Hmm aardig bedrag voor hun ambities.

Aardig bedrag maar niet genoeg voor de duurste optie. Men heeft nu ongeveer 64 toestellen in verschillende varianten van de F-5 en F-18.

Bij de keuze voor F-35 zal het aantal gegarandeerd flink omlaag moeten, naar +/- 24 toestellen. Men ziet het goed in om dit aan te vullen met grond-luchtdoel raketten. Hiervan kan NL ook nog wel iets leren, minder toestellen aangevuld met permanente Surface to Air opstellingen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 10/11/2017 | 11:56 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 10/11/2017 | 11:15 uur
Aardig bedrag maar niet genoeg voor de duurste optie. Men heeft nu ongeveer 64 toestellen in verschillende varianten van de F-5 en F-18.

Bij de keuze voor F-35 zal het aantal gegarandeerd flink omlaag moeten, naar +/- 24 toestellen. Men ziet het goed in om dit aan te vullen met grond-luchtdoel raketten. Hiervan kan NL ook nog wel iets leren, minder toestellen aangevuld met permanente Surface to Air opstellingen.

Permanente SAM opstellingen.. in Nederland? Waarom? tegen wat van wie?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 10/11/2017 | 12:32 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 10/11/2017 | 11:56 uur
Permanente SAM opstellingen.. in Nederland? Waarom? tegen wat van wie?

Waarom in Zwitserland wel en in NL niet? Als de vijand boven Rotterdam hangt is het te laat, de radars voor luchtverdediging worden toch ge-upgrade dus daar liggen de kosten niet. Maar laten we teruggaan naar het onderwerp:)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 10/11/2017 | 12:40 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 10/11/2017 | 12:32 uur
Waarom in Zwitserland wel en in NL niet? Als de vijand boven Rotterdam hangt is het te laat, de radars voor luchtverdediging worden toch ge-upgrade dus daar liggen de kosten niet. Maar laten we teruggaan naar het onderwerp:)

amigo, zwitserland zit niet bij de NAVO, of de EU. Dat is echt een totaal ander playingfield met hele andere spelregels.
Als Nederland permanente SAM opstellingen gaat plaatsen, een land TOTAAL omringd door hele goede buurlanden die allemaal in de zelfde club zitten terwijl we gewoon een luchtmacht hebben en de verste dreiging mee rdan duizend kilometer verderop zit heb je echt geen fluit aan permanente SAM's.

En ook, stel, bij een groot conflict heb je daar geen poep aan aangezien die dingen dan ook bekend zijn bij de vijaard en gewoon uit de voeding worden geknald door wat dat ook mag gaan doen.

Daarom.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Nikehercules op 10/11/2017 | 20:10 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 10/11/2017 | 12:32 uur
Waarom in Zwitserland wel en in NL niet?

Ik kan uit het bericht niet opmaken dat men permanente SAM opstellingen overweegt.

Citaat van: Parera op 10/11/2017 | 12:32 uur
Als de vijand boven Rotterdam hangt is het te laat, de radars voor luchtverdediging worden toch ge-upgrade dus daar liggen de kosten niet.

Vrijwel onbruikbaar in vredestijd. Het voordeel van een QRA zijn de twee vliegers die daadwerkelijk kunnen kijken wat er loos is voordat ze een airliner uit de lucht schieten....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/11/2017 | 10:00 uur
Airbus launches its Future Air Power vision

https://youtu.be/qCL1e1MJtSw via @YouTube
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/11/2017 | 07:42 uur
Exclusive: Japan to delay multi-billion dollar fighter jet development - sources

https://reut.rs/2AFYJpB
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/11/2017 | 10:41 uur
Lockheed Martin signs $1.6bn UAE deal amid Arabian Gulf tensions

Defense deal will upgrade F-16 fighter jets

https://www.thenational.ae/business/economy/lockheed-martin-signs-1-6bn-uae-deal-amid-arabian-gulf-tensions-1.675177


UAE vliegt nu al met de meest nieuwe versie van de F-16, block 60 en gaat deze nog weer verder upgraden

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon_variants#F-16E.2FF_Block_60

(https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/pmfp755.jpg?w=688&h=461)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/11/2017 | 07:53 uur
Saudis Join UAE in Push to Buy F-35s as Concerns About the Jet's Computer Network Grow

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/16022/saudis-join-uae-in-push-to-buy-f-35s-as-concerns-about-the-jets-computer-network-grow
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/11/2017 | 19:40 uur
Russia looks to sell MiG-35 fighters in more than 30 countries

https://newsline.com/?p=1001331 via @Newsline
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/11/2017 | 19:42 uur
Lockheed Martin to test AGM-158 JASSM

https://upi.com/6683431t via @upi
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/11/2017 | 20:08 uur
Dassault to modernize UAE's Mirage fleet for a reported $350M

http://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/dubai-air-show/2017/11/14/dassault-to-modernize-uaes-mirage-fleet-for-a-reported-350m/#.Wgs_EKfrJns.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/11/2017 | 07:38 uur
Cairo, Paris to sign deal for 12 new Rafale fighter aircrafts

http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/32806/Cairo-Paris-to-sign-deal-for-12-new-Rafale-fighter #EgyptToday
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/11/2017 | 08:03 uur
Air Force Official Eyes High Funding Needs for Sixth Gen Platform

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2017/11/20/air-force-official-sees-high-price-tag-for-future-platforms#.WhPPcEKdZM0.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 21/11/2017 | 10:11 uur
Argentine navy and air force dispute operation of the five refurbished Super Etendard

The purchase by Argentina of five refurbished French Super Etendard to help with security measures when Argentina hosts the 2018 G20 summit, which will bring together the world's top leaders, has triggered a dispute among the country's services since the current defense minister, Oscar Aguad wants to concentrate all military aircraft in the Air Force.

This apparently includes taking over the Navy, Army and Gendarmerie aircrafts, and hand them over to the Air Force, but this faces several ministerial hurdles, if not also emotional. In effect the Super Etendard have always been flown by the Argentine navy and became famous together with Exocet missiles, during the South Atlantic conflict. The navy apparently still has nine of them but none operational because of lack of spares and maintenance.

The Argentine Air Force argues there is not much difference flying a Super Etendard or the Mirages, both manufactured by France's Dassault. The Air Force Mirages have been decommissioned for similar reasons as the Navy's Super Etendard, and currently it has operational less than five of the 35 US built the Lockheed-Martin A4 AR fighter bombers.

Likewise Aguad has his eyes on the Gendarmerie's aircraft, (in spite of the fact frontier police duties are different), but will have to clash with the powerful Home and Security minister Patricia Bullrich.

However apparently the determined Aguad must be given credit for having finally managed to convince the French and Argentine governments to agree on the Super Etendard contract, at a reasonable cost for the cash short treasury. Besides an attempt to rent aircraft from the Brazilian Air Force did not advance and the alternative would have been to ask the Chileans.

In the same line of action, Aguad somehow convinced the Navy of his air power concentration objective by promising the admirals that he would hand them the Coast Guard, a much desired wish of the navy, but here also they will have to face minister Bullrich.

http://en.mercopress.com/2017/11/16/argentine-navy-and-air-force-dispute-operation-of-the-five-refurbished-super-etendard
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/11/2017 | 20:08 uur
UK military chief 'sympathetic' to cut in F-35 fighter jet order

https://www.ft.com/content/696be98e-cec8-11e7-b781-794ce08b24dc via @FT
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/11/2017 | 20:11 uur
turkey-not-in-need-of-us-f-35-fighter-jets

http://www.yenisafak.com/en/economy/turkey-not-in-need-of-us-f-35-fighter-jets-2818837
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sandgroper op 21/11/2017 | 20:19 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/11/2017 | 20:08 uur
UK military chief 'sympathetic' to cut in F-35 fighter jet order

https://www.ft.com/content/696be98e-cec8-11e7-b781-794ce08b24dc via @FT
Helaas, link leidt naar een abonnee pagina zonder verdere info.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/11/2017 | 20:32 uur
Citaat van: Sandgroper op 21/11/2017 | 20:19 uur
Helaas, link leidt naar een abonnee pagina zonder verdere info.

UK military chief 'sympathetic' to cut in F-35 fighter jet order 

Deputy chief of UK defence staff says move would reflect 'reality of world we are living in'

David Bond, Security and Defence Editor

One of the UK's most senior military chiefs has suggested that Britain may cut the number of F-35 combat jets it buys in the future as pressure grows on its defence budget. Despite a commitment to buy 138 F-35B Lightning II fighter jets from the US manufacturer Lockheed Martin, Lieutenant General Mark Poffley, deputy chief of the UK defence staff, told MPs on Tuesday that he was "sympathetic" to the idea that the overall number could eventually fall."That's the reality of the world we are living in," added Lt Gn Poffley.

Earlier Stephen Lovegrove, the most senior civil servant at the Ministry of Defence, revealed that the cost of an initial tranche of 48 F-35s could rise from £9.1bn in 2025 to £13bn in 2048. The MoD said the extra £4bn was to cover the "whole life costs" of the planes including support costs, training and maintenance. It insisted that the UK was still committed to buying its full quota. "Our plan to buy 138 F-35 jets over the life of the programme has not changed, with only the US planning to buy more aircraft," it said.The F-35 jets will provide the main strike force for Britain's two new aircraft carriers, the first of which, HMS Queen Elizabeth, is due to be officially commissioned into the Royal Navy on December 7.


But the programme has been repeatedly delayed and the National Audit Office has warned that its costs may rise. "The problem is the UK has no control over anything commercially and technically about the programme," said Francis Tusa, a defence analyst.The cost of the US-made planes has also been affected by the weakening of the pound. According to the NAO, the MoD estimated that the cost of its £178bn equipment plan during the next decade could rise by about £5bn if current exchange rates persist.The uncertainty over the F-35s comes as Mark Sedwill, the UK's national security adviser, conducts a wide ranging strategic review of Britian's military and security priorities.Although the government says the review was set up in response to shifting security and military threats posed by terrorists and an increasingly aggressive Russia, critics say the review's purpose is to make further cuts to help the MoD fill a £20bn funding gap.Former military chiefs led by General Sir Richard Barrons warned last week that any future reduction in spending risked hollowing out the UK's armed forces. Despite reports that Gavin Williamson, the new defence secretary, had written to chancellor Philip Hammond last week to request more money for defence in Wednesday's Budget, Mr Lovegrove said he was "not aware of a formal request going from the MoD to the Treasury for more funds".

https://www.ft.com/content/696be98e-cec8-11e7-b781-794ce08b24dc
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 21/11/2017 | 21:50 uur
Dus daar wordt dra ook nog eens een mes ingezet...
Het gaat niet goed met de UK Armed Forces...
En het zal nog minder goed gaan naarmate de BrExit dichter komt, want ondertussen wordt er druk gespeculeerd op een "hard BrExit" zonder akkoord met de EU. WTO-tarieven dus... En daarvan wordt niemand gelukkig in de UK want de kosten gaan dan nog meer de hoogte in...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/11/2017 | 07:56 uur
Lockheed Martin targets USD80 million unit price for F-35A in LRIP 14 | Jane's 360

http://www.janes.com/article/75863/lockheed-martin-targets-usd80-million-unit-price-for-f-35a-in-lrip-14#.WhZwXzFIWqk.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 23/11/2017 | 20:03 uur
Impossible to predict costs of F-35 and numbers may fall, MPs hear.

Rising costs may force the Ministry of Defence to cut its planned order of 138 stealth jets, officials have suggested for the first time.

MPs on the Commons defence committee heard it was impossible to accurately forecast the costs of the F-35 programme. As costs become clearer as they enter service, the MoD would "make adjustments in our programme accordingly".

The plan to buy the new jets is the MoD's second biggest weapons programme, after replacing the nuclear deterrent.

The 2015 Strategic Defence and Security Review declared Britain would "maintain our plan to buy 138 F35 Lightning aircraft" over the coming decades.

Britain has already signed a contract for the first batch of 48, which are estimated to cost £9.1bn by 2025, including support such as training and maintenance.

But Stephen Lovegrove, Permanent Secretary, said it would be be "imprudent" and "misleading" to give an estimate for the cost of the rest.

Mark Francois MP, a former defence minister, said the failure to give a figure for costs was "extraordinary" and the public would be "pretty shocked".

He said: "Is it any wonder people have some skepticism about budgeting in the Ministry of Defence?"

Lt Gen Stephen Poffley, deputy Chief of the Defence Staff, said once the jets become operational, there would be an annual review of their costs to help forecasts.

Julian Lewis MP, committee chairman, suggested that meant the order was likely to be "on a similar course" to previous large defence buys, such as the plan to originally buy 12 Type 45 destroyers, that was then cut to eight and finally six.

If later batches were delayed, or costs went up then "we are going to have to adjust the numbers of these aircraft that we order".

Lt Gen Poffley said he was "sympathetic" to that logic.

Mr Lewis went on: "What's clear then is that the 48 are safe, secure, done and dusted as it were as far as the financial cost is concerned, but after that there is inevitable uncertainty, that's what you are telling us?"

Lt Gen Poffley said: "I am afraid that is the reality of the world we are living in."

If a decision to scale back purchases was made, then the MOD would have to consider keeping older jets the F-35 is due to replace.

Lt Gen Poffley said: "We would consider exactly that dynamic at the point at which it was evident that we weren't able to pursue our original plan of 138, but that is some way off."

zie:  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/21/impossible-predict-costs-f-35-numbers-may-fall-mps-hear/     The Telegraph 21 november 2017.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 23/11/2017 | 22:46 uur
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/23/trump-invisible-plane-coast-guard-f-35 (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/23/trump-invisible-plane-coast-guard-f-35)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 24/11/2017 | 14:19 uur
Wat een zielige vent, die Trump... Ofwel is die zelf niet al te snugger, of hij denkt dat hij tegen een bende idioten aan het praten is.
Heb dat dan als president van een van de machtigste economische en militaire staten van de wereld.  :sick:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 24/11/2017 | 14:28 uur
@ARM-WAP

Helemaal als je bedenkt dat Trump vorig jaar de F-35 nog afkraakte en met het hele programma wilde stoppen.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/12/12/trump-attacks-f-35-program-out-control/95327462/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/12/12/trump-attacks-f-35-program-out-control/95327462/)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/11/2017 | 11:06 uur
Met een interessante verwijzing naar één Nederlandse F35A

Trump Just Provided More Evidence That He Thinks The F-35 Is Actually Invisible

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/16375/trump-just-provided-more-evidence-that-he-thinks-the-f-35-is-actually-invisible
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/11/2017 | 09:17 uur
Finland requires 64 new fighters   (Conclusie Finland : 1 op 1 vervanging ... )

The Finnish Defense Ministry has concluded that the country needs a one-to-one replacement for its F/A-18 fleet

"We have interpreted that to mean 64 fighter jets. Because the new jets are not faster and can't stay up in the air any longer than the current ones, we will require the same number of jets to maintain the performance of our air defence", says Lauri Puranen from the Ministry.

The tender for new fighters will start in 2018 and a newly elected government in 2019 will decide the winner.

Lees meer via http://alert5.com/2017/11/25/finland-requires-64-new-fighters/#eEUf9x5PS78jdU7j.99

Origineel bericht :
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/mod_at_least_64_fighter_jets_needed_to_defend_finland/9946949
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/11/2017 | 09:22 uur
Britain, Japan to announce development of improve Meteor missile next month  (interessant !, ook voor F-35 intern )

British and Japanese officials are expected to announced the development of an improved version of the MBDA Meteor air-to-air missile on Dec. 14, the Nikkei Asia Review reported.

The current active radar homing seeker will be replaced by one from Mitsubishi Electric. Development is to start next year with the first live-firing in 2023.

The report added that the new missile will likely be field on Japan's F-35A.

Lees meer via http://alert5.com/2017/11/24/britain-japan-to-announce-development-of-improve-meteor-missile-next-month/#Bj7KcDhq1IdITSVC.99
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/11/2017 | 09:27 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 27/11/2017 | 09:22 uur
Britain, Japan to announce development of improve Meteor missile next month  (interessant !, ook voor F-35 intern )


Ook een must have voor de KLu.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/11/2017 | 09:33 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/11/2017 | 09:27 uur
Ook een must have voor de KLu.

En in plaats van de AIM-9X de Advanced ASRAAM, welke over een paar jaar verschijnt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/11/2017 | 09:41 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/11/2017 | 09:33 uur
En in plaats van de AIM-9X de Advanced ASRAAM, welke over een paar jaar verschijnt.

Ook een prima alternatief...

Daarnaast is het Amerikaanse CUDA programma interessant om te volgen, immers 12 CUDA's intern voor een F35A zijn toch ook interessant te noemen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/11/2017 | 09:46 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/11/2017 | 09:41 uur
Ook een prima alternatief...

Daarnaast is het Amerikaanse CUDA programma interessant om te volgen, immers 12 CUDA's intern voor een F35A zijn toch ook interessant te noemen.

Dan mogen ze wat CUDA betreft wel opschieten. De Britse Typhoons krijgen volgend jaar de nieuwe ASRAAM versie en de F-35B pas bij Block 4 omstreeks 2022. De combinatie CUDA met SDB II of SPEAR is ook een interessante. De interne wapenruimen geven genoeg mogelijkheden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/11/2017 | 09:51 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/11/2017 | 09:46 uur
Dan mogen ze wat CUDA betreft wel opschieten. De huidige ASRAAM wordt omstreeks 2022 vervangen. De combinatie CUDA met SDB II of SPEAR is ook een interessante. De interne wapenruimen geven genoeg mogelijkheden.

Ik heb geen idee wat de huidige status van het CUDA programma is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 27/11/2017 | 14:03 uur
Super Hornet could be chosen as Bulgaria's next fighter jet by July
By: Jaroslaw Adamowski   November 14

WARSAW, Poland — Bulgaria will request an offer from Boeing for its F/A-18 Super Hornet aircraft as the country aims to select a new fighter jet by the end of July 2018, according to the country's defense minister.

Krasimir Karakachanov told state-run radio broadcaster BNR that the Ministry of Defence is seeking the offer in addition to the three main competitors for the deal — Lockheed Martin's F-16, Saab's JAS 39 Gripen and the Eurofighter Typhoon. He said requests for proposals are expected to be sent to manufacturers this month.

Interest in the Super Hornet indicates that a new major competitor could join the Bulgarian tender, under which the country is aiming to replace its Soviet-designed Mikoyan MiG-29 aircraft with Western-made fighters. The planned contract is estimated to be worth some 1.5 billion levs (U.S. $890.9 million).

In late October, Karakachanov said the ministry will relaunch its tender to purchase eight aircraft after a special committee of the Bulgarian parliament released a report calling on the Cabinet to relaunch the tender. The move scrapped the recommendation of a ministerial expert group that ranked the Gripen as its top choice.

Following this, Bulgaria was to request new proposals from Portugal, which offered secondhand F-16s, and from Italy, which offered its Eurofighter Typhoons. Should the ministry decide to select the Super Hornet, the country would become the aircraft's first operator in Eastern Europe.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017/11/14/super-hornet-could-be-chosen-as-bulgarias-next-fighter-jet-by-july/ (https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017/11/14/super-hornet-could-be-chosen-as-bulgarias-next-fighter-jet-by-july/)

Goed, zijn er maar 8 en waarschijnlijk ook tweedehands toestellen (al weet ik dat niet zeker).
Bijzonder dat ze niet kiezen voor (nieuwe) Gripen en advies naast zich neerleggen. Waarschijnlijk zullen de Bulgaren 'steunen' als zij kiezen voor Amerikaans producten.

Het lukt Europa niet om aan Europeanen Europese producten te verkopen...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/11/2017 | 15:47 uur
Norway Concerned Over F-35 Data Exchange with US  (...  :hrmph: ... dat was toch al bekend ...  ;) )

Norway Nervous Its Cherished F-35 Fighter Jets Share National Secrets With US

Norway's defense officials are concerned that their new fleet of F-35 warplanes is equipped with sensors that automatically send critical information to their US manufacturer Lockheed Martin.

Norway, one of Europe's foremost users of US F-35 fighter jets, is concerned that its new fleet, designed to become the backbone of the Nordic country's defense, automatically retrieve data that is automatically sent to the manufacturer in the US.

The costly aircraft that set the Norwegian state coffers back billions of dollars, are equipped with a technology that improves Norway's ability to monitor large land and sea areas. However, the planes are also set up to automatically send information to manufacturers' servers in Fort Worth, Texas after each flight, which worries defense officials. The information sent via the worldwide Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS) includes operational data, jets' "self-diagnosis," maintenance data and training data.

"Due to national considerations, there is a need for a filter where the user nations can exclude sensitive data from the data stream that is shared by the system with the manufacturer Lockheed Martin," Defense Ministry senior consultant Lars Gjemble told the ABC Nyheter news portal.

Gjemble compared the advance from the F-16 currently in use in Norway to the F-35 with the improvement from an old Nokia 3210 to an iPhone X, pointing out that the increased assortment of options, features and data also called for increased protection.

"In a way, it is similar to the challenge of what information your iPhone shares with the manufacturers," Gjemble explained.

According to Gjemble, there is a particular need for protecting the jet's programming via the so-called Mission Data Files (MDF), which he described as a library of possible threats in the areas where the F-35s are set to operate. The MDF contains national data to optimize the aircraft sensors.

Norway previously entered a partnership with Italy to jointly finance the so-called Norway Italy Reprogramming Laboratory (NIRL), in which the two nations will take turns storing nationally sensitive data.

As a contributor to the international Joint Strike Fighter project which resulted in the F-35, Norway decided to acquire 52 new F-35 fighter jets to the tune of NOK 81 billion (close to $10 billion). Lifetime costs associated with this project are estimated at 270 billion ($33 billion).

Earlier in November, Norway bid a warm welcome to its first batch of three F-35s. However, it was later discovered that the costly jets the Armed Forces themselves described as a "robust defense" will be stored in tents at the Ørland airbase until at least 2020, as the NOK 2 billion worth ($250 million) warplane hangars are not yet in place.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/188693/norway-concerned-over-f_35-data-exchange-with-us.html



Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 27/11/2017 | 18:40 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 27/11/2017 | 17:20 uur
Mwa, geloofde je nog in die 138 dan? Staat al heel lang op rood.
Het enige wat ik verwachtte was dat ze voldoende B versie toestellen zouden inkopen om 1 carrier mee uit te rusten (plus training + attritie).
Verder hebben ze nog hun Typhoon en wanneer hun Tornado's uitgefaseerd worden vinden ze wel een middeltje om het capaciteitsgat te dichten met... die Typhoon
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/11/2017 | 18:45 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 27/11/2017 | 18:40 uur
Het enige wat ik verwachtte was dat ze voldoende B versie toestellen zouden inkopen om 1 carrier mee uit te rusten (plus training + attritie).
Verder hebben ze nog hun Typhoon en wanneer hun Tornado's uitgefaseerd worden vinden ze wel een middeltje om het capaciteitsgat te dichten met... die Typhoon

Daarom behoudt de RAF een aantal Typhoon Tranche 1 voor de aantallen. Jammer dat deze niet de Tranche 3 upgrade kunnen krijgen.

Zie het er wel van komen dat de RAAF straks meer F-35's heeft dan de RAF/RN FAA.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/11/2017 | 07:42 uur
Poland Launches "Harpia" Programme To Procure A New Multirole Combat Aircraft

http://disq.us/t/2wf016b
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 28/11/2017 | 16:22 uur
Ik denk dat Typhoon weinig kans gaat maken. De Polen haten Russen, en gaan 99% voor de Amerikaanse F35 kiezen (mijn visie)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/11/2017 | 16:27 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 28/11/2017 | 16:22 uur
Ik denk dat Typhoon weinig kans gaat maken. De Polen haten Russen, en gaan 99% voor de Amerikaanse F35 kiezen (mijn visie)

Ik sluit de Typhoon nog niet uit gezien deze kist meer air dominance kwaliteiten heeft dan de F35A en de Polen zich toch een frontlijn staat voelen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 28/11/2017 | 16:51 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/11/2017 | 16:27 uur
Ik sluit de Typhoon nog niet uit gezien deze kist meer air dominance kwaliteiten heeft dan de F35A en de Polen zich toch een frontlijn staat voelen.

Typhoon kan Polen niet redden, maar de NAVO wel. NAVO = Amerika, de rest stelt niet veel voor.

Keuze van F35 zou mij niet verbazen, keuzen van Typhoon wel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/11/2017 | 17:14 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 28/11/2017 | 16:51 uur
Typhoon kan Polen niet redden, maar de NAVO wel. NAVO = Amerika, de rest stelt niet veel voor.

Keuze van F35 zou mij niet verbazen, keuzen van Typhoon wel.

Ik ben het met je eens hoor, al zou ik de keuze voor de Typhoon niet onlogisch vinden, misschien is een combi wel een optie (beetje afhankelijk van het aantal.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 28/11/2017 | 20:24 uur
Nou.. volgens mij willen Polen interceptors.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 29/11/2017 | 21:36 uur
Berlin Security Conference 2017: Lockheed Martin targets key German opportunities

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.janes.com%2Fimages%2Fassets%2F025%2F76025%2F1712614_-_main.jpg&hash=850ce3cc5affb5191cea530a46131d916a5e384d)

Lockheed Martin has its sights set on Germany as it targets three key upcoming requirements for the Bundeswehr.

Promoting its presence at the Berlin Security Conference (BSC) on 29 November, Lockheed Martin showcased its offerings for three programmes for the German Air Force (Luftwaffe) and Navy (Deutsche Marine), with the CH-53K King Stallion heavy lift helicopter; the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF); and the MH-60R anti-surface warfare (ASW and anti-submarine warfare (ASW) helicopter, each being promoted at the event.

Speaking to Jane's ahead of the BSC, Frank Crisafulli, business development lead for heavy-lift helicopters at Sikorsky, spelled out the latest developments in Lockheed Martin's bid to the Luftwaffe for its Schweren Transporthubschrauber (STH) requirement.

The Luftwaffe is looking to procure up to 41 new heavy-lift helicopters to replace its ageing VFW-Sikorsky CH-53G-series platforms, with deliveries currently slated to begin in 2022. Crisafulli said that for the STH requirement, which will see Lockheed Martin go up against Boeing and its CH-47F Chinook, the company is now waiting on the German government to hold an industry day to be followed by a request for proposals (RFP).

After these steps, a declaration from the German government as to its preferred solution is expected to be made. As part of its sales drive to Germany, Lockheed Martin recently announced that it planned to exhibit the CH-53K at the forthcoming ILA Berlin Airshow in April of next year.

Further to the Luftwaffe's STH requirement, Lockheed Martin is also targeting the service's stated desire to replace its Panavia Tornado force with a new fifth-generation platform. Speaking at the recent IQPC International Fighter conference in Berlin, service chief Lieutenant General Karl Muellner said that, while a shortlist of potential platforms had been drawn up, his "preferred choice" was the F-35.

[Source: Janes.com @ Article (http://www.janes.com/article/76025/berlin-security-conference-2017-lockheed-martin-targets-key-german-opportunities) ]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 01/12/2017 | 16:32 uur
Ondertussen heeft een USAF F-35 van Kadena Air Base in Japan het klepje/paneel voor de brandstofaansluiting verloren.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP89USwW0AAlJ0c.jpg:large)
(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi98.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl261%2FSpazSinbad%2FNewerAlbum%2FF-35BHotRefuelatMCASMiramar07Aug2013AccessPanel12.png%7Eoriginal&hash=3be76a0bf143635ed434369225f268617c0b25f4)
http://www.airforcesmonthly.com/2017/12/01/kadena-f-35a-loses-panel-in-flight/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/12/2017 | 08:22 uur
Canada scraps plan to buy Boeing fighters amid trade dispute: sources

https://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKBN1DZ2W2-OCATP
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 06/12/2017 | 11:08 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/12/2017 | 08:22 uur
Canada scraps plan to buy Boeing fighters amid trade dispute: sources

https://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKBN1DZ2W2-OCATP
Lap, mooi voorbeeldje voor de Britten en hoe het handel drijven na BrExit eruit zal zien voor een verzwakte alleenstaande natie.

En de Bombardier kwestie speelt sowieso nu al mee voor de Bombardier vestiging in Noord-Ierland...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/12/2017 | 18:27 uur
Turkey seeks to buy Harriers as an interim measure until F-35Bs are ready (http://www.janes.com/article/76200/turkey-seeks-to-buy-harriers-as-an-interim-measure-until-f-35bs-are-ready)

Janes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 06/12/2017 | 19:14 uur
Benieuwd welke de reactie van onze Amerikaanse vrienden zal zijn op deze Turkse vraag...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/12/2017 | 19:31 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 06/12/2017 | 19:14 uur
Benieuwd welke de reactie van onze Amerikaanse vrienden zal zijn op deze Turkse vraag...

Het zal mij eerder benieuwen wie occasions beschikbaar kan/wil stellen. zo dil is het Harrier bestand niet bezaaid.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 06/12/2017 | 20:37 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/12/2017 | 19:31 uur
Het zal mij eerder benieuwen wie occasions beschikbaar kan/wil stellen. zo dil is het Harrier bestand niet bezaaid.

Italie en Spanje misschien in de toekomst en de chinezen zijn toch ook bezig met een V/STOL toestel, Erdogan is niet vies van militaire aankopen buiten de Nato.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/12/2017 | 20:48 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 06/12/2017 | 20:37 uur
Italie en Spanje misschien in de toekomst en de chinezen zijn toch ook bezig met een V/STOL toestel, Erdogan is niet vies van militaire aankopen buiten de Nato.

De status van het Chinese project heb ik niet  op het netvlies, maar het lijkt mij sterk deze in de komende 10-15 jaar operationeel is.

Italië en Spanje hebben natuurlijk maar een beperkt aantal, of zie die maritiem kunnen en willen missen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 06/12/2017 | 21:05 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/12/2017 | 20:48 uur
De status van het Chinese project heb ik niet  op het netvlies, maar het lijkt mij sterk deze in de komende 10-15 jaar operationeel is.

Italië en Spanje hebben natuurlijk maar een beperkt aantal, of zie die maritiem kunnen en willen missen?

Is er al een F35B van de productielijn in Italië gelopen?  Italië heeft 15 F35B's besteld dan kunnen de 16 harriers die men heeft toch doorverkopen aan Turkije.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/12/2017 | 21:10 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/12/2017 | 19:31 uur
Het zal mij eerder benieuwen wie occasions beschikbaar kan/wil stellen. zo dil is het Harrier bestand niet bezaaid.

De USMC heeft de versies AV-8B Harrier II Night Attack en AV-8B Harrier II Plus (met APG-65 radar). Zij willen nog zeker tot mid jaren 20 ermee vliegen. Is het nog echt zinvol voor export?

Citaat van: Ace1 op 06/12/2017 | 21:05 uur
Is er al een F35B van de productielijn in Italië gelopen?  Italië heeft 15 F35B's besteld dan kunnen de 16 harriers die men heeft toch doorverkopen aan Turkije.

Ja. Deze maakte nog niet zolang geleden de eerste vlucht. Italië wil 15 stuks voor hun luchtmacht en 15 voor hun marine.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/12/2017 | 22:00 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 06/12/2017 | 21:10 uur
De USMC heeft de versies AV-8B Harrier II Night Attack en AV-8B Harrier II Plus (met APG-65 radar). Zij willen nog zeker tot mid jaren 20 ermee vliegen. Is het nog echt zinvol voor export?


Die hebben de gehele Engelse voorraad opgekocht voor een appel en een ei om te dienen als onderdelen krat..  Die US kisten zijn ongetwijfeld volledig op over een paar jaar... ze moeten immers al langer door vanwege de F35B vertraging.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/12/2017 | 22:06 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 06/12/2017 | 21:10 uur
Ja. Deze maakte nog niet zolang geleden de eerste vlucht. Italië wil 15 stuks voor hun luchtmacht en 15 voor hun marine.


Ook die zijn tegen de vervangingsdatum volledig versleten, maat wie weet zijn de Italianen bereid om hun voorraadje eerder of gefaseerd te verpatsen...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/12/2017 | 23:41 uur
Canada's swipe at Boeing jets could open way for European rivals

https://reut.rs/2ivjTyE
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/12/2017 | 19:05 uur
Qatar moves to buy more Rafale jets, order infantry fighting vehicles

https://www.defensenews.com/global/mideast-africa/2017/12/07/qatar-moves-to-buy-more-rafale-jets-order-infantry-fighting-vehicles/#.WimCxBs8UFU.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/12/2017 | 10:25 uur
Turkey intends to buy US Marines Harrier aircraft while planning the F-35B.

http://www.blogbeforeflight.net/2017/12/turkey-us-marines-harrier-f-35b.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/12/2017 | 20:28 uur
Deborah Haynes‏Geverifieerd account @haynesdeborah · 3 u3 uur geleden 

BREAK: Qatar signs £6 billion contract with Britain for 24 Typhoon jets, supporting 1,000s of UK manufacturing jobs @BAESystemsAir. - @DefenceHQ
Welcome piece of good news!

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 10/12/2017 | 20:40 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/12/2017 | 10:25 uur
Turkey intends to buy US Marines Harrier aircraft while planning the F-35B.

http://www.blogbeforeflight.net/2017/12/turkey-us-marines-harrier-f-35b.html

Alsof Turkijke uberhaupt de F35 nog mag kopen na die S400 deal...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/12/2017 | 21:47 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 10/12/2017 | 20:40 uur
Alsof Turkijke uberhaupt de F35 nog mag kopen na die S400 deal...

Ik zou als Amerikaanse overheid nee zeggen... die 100 kisten worden vermoedelijk wel weer elders verkocht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 11/12/2017 | 01:55 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 10/12/2017 | 22:14 uur
Dat is inderdaad nog maar de vraag.
Maar verkopen blijven welkom natuurlijk.

De Turken hebben ook het onderhoud van de F-35B's toegewezen gekregen, mocht men besluiten geen F-35's meer te leveren zal ook voor dit een oplossing gevonden moeten worden.
Maar time will tell.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 11/12/2017 | 10:01 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 11/12/2017 | 01:55 uur
De Turken hebben ook het onderhoud van de F-35B's toegewezen gekregen, mocht men besluiten geen F-35's meer te leveren zal ook voor dit een oplossing gevonden moeten worden.
Maar time will tell.

Ik denk niet dat de F-35 wereld wakker ligt omdat ze dat clubje onderhoud niet meer In Turkije moeten hoeven te doen.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/12/2017 | 10:24 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 11/12/2017 | 10:01 uur
Ik denk niet dat de F-35 wereld wakker ligt omdat ze dat clubje onderhoud niet meer In Turkije moeten hoeven te doen.

Ook als het motoronderhoud in Turkije zou wegvallen, dan blijven Nederland en Noorwegen over.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/12/2017 | 10:31 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/12/2017 | 10:24 uur
Ook als het motoronderhoud in Turkije zou wegvallen, dan blijven Nederland en Noorwegen over.

Wat velen zullen toejuichen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/12/2017 | 10:45 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/12/2017 | 10:31 uur
Wat velen zullen toejuichen.

Naar mijn mening zijn drie locaties voor motoronderhoud wat veel, maar daar zal ongetwijfeld een goede reden voor zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/12/2017 | 10:50 uur
Congress puts confidence in new A-10 wings  (... ze blijven hopelijk nog even doorvliegen .. )

A third of the US Air Force's Fairchild-Republic A-10C fleet is riding on pending funding from Congress, with money for new wings expected in both the fiscal year 2018 defence policy and appropriations bills.

The resilient A-10 dodged retirement once again in the air force's 2018 budget, but that doesn't spare a significant portion of the fleet from a boneyard fate.

With the the existing wings approaching the end of their service life, more than 100 aircraft in the almost 290-strong A-10 fleet will be grounded if the USAF does not receive funding for new wings, according to Congressional testimony this week.

Although the USAF did not request funding in its original fiscal year 2018 budget, its wishlist for programmes the service could not fit into the president's FY2018 budget request included $83 million to start the programme at four wings. The House and Senate's combined National Defense Authorization Act defence policy bill approved $103,000,000 million for new wings. The bill is waiting President Donald Trump's approval.

In addition, the House Appropriations defense subcommittee mark added money to the air force budget to retool and open a line for A-10 wings, USAF Secretary Heather Wilson tells Senate lawmakers this week. The Senate Appropriations committee is working on similar legislation now, she adds.

"If that comes through, we will work on executing that so we can get that line back up so that we can re-wing," she says. "I think the amount would be the tooling in the first four or five sets of wings for the A-10."

Wilson noted the challenge of balancing modernization efforts with managing new platforms, but the legacy Warthog does not appear under threat on her watch.

"I happen to be kind of a fan of the A-10 myself," Wilson says.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/congress-puts-confidence-in-new-a-10-wings-443992/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/12/2017 | 07:18 uur
Deutschland peilt neuen Eurofighter für Tornado-Nachfolge an

https://de.reuters.com/article/deutschland-r-stung-kampfjet-idDEKBN1E5227
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/12/2017 | 07:26 uur
Germany Reportedly Favors Typhoon to Replace Tornado, Also Eyeing F-15, F/A-18

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/16892/germany-reportedly-favors-typhoon-to-replace-tornado-also-eyeing-f-15-f-a-18
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 12/12/2017 | 09:49 uur
Interessante ontwikkeling...
Het ballonnetje (pro F-35A) opgelaten door Müllner is dus afgeschoten door de politiek, die liever ziet dat er meer Eurofighters komen.
Dat was wel te verwachten.
Centjes, jobs,... en dan de toekomstige samenwerking met Frankrijk...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 12/12/2017 | 14:15 uur
Lag inderaad in de lijn der verwachting.
Het had wel een mooie mix geweest.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 12/12/2017 | 14:16 uur
Ik denk dat de Fransen heel erg hebben lopen stampvoeten en hebben lopen calimeroén en lopen dreigen met doemscenario's voor de EU als ze dat zouden doen en weet ik veel wat voor ander geneuzel. Maar dit was te verwachten ja.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/12/2017 | 14:37 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 12/12/2017 | 14:16 uur
Ik denk dat de Fransen heel erg hebben lopen stampvoeten en hebben lopen calimeroén en lopen dreigen met doemscenario's voor de EU als ze dat zouden doen en weet ik veel wat voor ander geneuzel. Maar dit was te verwachten ja.

Zeker niet onlogisch, mede ook gezien de Duits-Franse ambitie om te komen tot een Typhoon en Rafale vervanger rond 2035.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 12/12/2017 | 16:25 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 12/12/2017 | 14:43 uur
Ik vermoed vooral de Duitse industrie. Ook die heeft een aanzienlijke invloed op de politiek.
Voor de Fransen is het prima, daar de investering in de opvolger belangrijker worden, al blijft het de vraag of de F35 daar echt een concurrent voor is.
Staat tegenover dat ze wel eens mogen gaan investeren in de ontwikkeling.
Komt lekker in orde... daar is immers toch die uit de grond gestampte PESCO (vetpot) toch voor?  :devil:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: vlincent op 12/12/2017 | 19:17 uur
Goede ontwikkeling.

Niks verkeerds met de F35. Maar EU moet niet te afhankelijk worden van Amerikaanse producten. Het behouden en generen van kennis binnen de EU is ook zeer goed. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 12/12/2017 | 19:26 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 12/12/2017 | 14:16 uur
Ik denk dat de Fransen heel erg hebben lopen stampvoeten en hebben lopen calimeroén en lopen dreigen met doemscenario's voor de EU als ze dat zouden doen en weet ik veel wat voor ander geneuzel. Maar dit was te verwachten ja.

En ondertussen kruipen Macron en Erdogan bijelkaar in bed om Trump dwars te zitten... Je hebt ook echt niks aan die Frambozen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 12/12/2017 | 19:46 uur
Citaat van: vlincent op 12/12/2017 | 19:17 uur
Goede ontwikkeling.

Niks verkeerds met de F35. Maar EU moet niet te afhankelijk worden van Amerikaanse producten. Het behouden en generen van kennis binnen de EU is ook zeer goed.

Jezus, gaan we weer op die tour.
Zolang er niets beters voorhanden is moet je wel. Niet zeiken over Amerikaans materiaal. Als het beter is dan EUropees gepruts buy MADE IN THE USA!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/12/2017 | 08:02 uur
Canada Seeking 88 New Fighters to Replace Aging CF-18s; Will Buy Surplus Australian F-18 Hornets in

Interim https://shar.es/1MAsD5
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/12/2017 | 08:04 uur
F-35 stealth fighter, Super Hornet top list of potential new fighters for Canada

http://nationalpost.com/wcm/4cc83271-ac48-4100-8fa1-45d3d4d2f81d via @nationalpost
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/12/2017 | 08:20 uur
Britain is in a dogfight to retain its warplane supremacy

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-13/britain-in-dogfight-to-retain-warplane-supremacy via @business
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/12/2017 | 08:23 uur
The Qatar deal will not rescue the Eurofighter Typhoon – BAE must move ahead with unmanned flight

https://www.verdict.co.uk/qatar-eurofighter-typhoon-deal-unmanned-flight/ via @VerdictUK
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/12/2017 | 09:27 uur
Citaat van: USNI News op 13/12/2017 | 08:02 uur
Canada Seeking 88 New Fighters to Replace Aging CF-18s; Will Buy Surplus Australian F-18 Hornets in

Interim https://shar.es/1MAsD5

De ene oude legacy Hornet inwisselen voor de andere oude legacy Hornet  :dead:

Vraag mij toch af wat er met de Canadese surplus Hornets is gebeurd. Een hoop werden voortijdig buiten gebruik gesteld (iets waar Canada ervaring mee heeft).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/12/2017 | 09:49 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/12/2017 | 09:27 uur
De ene oude legacy Hornet inwisselen voor de andere oude legacy Hornet  :dead:


En de vermoedelijke uitkomst van dit politieke haantjesgevecht is 88 ipv 65 F35A.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/12/2017 | 09:59 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/12/2017 | 09:49 uur
En de vermoedelijke uitkomst van dit politieke haantjesgevecht is 88 ipv 65 F35A.

precies .... een hoop geblaat en gedraai en uiteindelijk wordt het toch .....  de F-35A met remparachute.
Wat eigenlijk altijd al de bedoeling is geweest.

Algemeen kan gewoon gesteld worden dat een "open" aanbesteding in de fighter vervangingsprogramma's gewoon een wassen neus is en "moet" voor de buitenwereld, dus een schijnvertoning is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 13/12/2017 | 17:41 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 14/12/2017 | 08:57 uur
Colombia said to be interested in getting Eurofighters from Spain

A report from Defensa.com says Colombia is interested in getting second-hand Eurofighters from Spain.
The article states that Tranche 2 aircraft are being considered

http://alert5.com/2017/12/14/columbia-said-to-be-interested-in-getting-eurofighters-from-spain/#D5Cp2RV09kgWbXgE.99

Helaas, mijn spaans is niet zo dat ik onderstaande kan lezen, maar voor diegene die dat wel kan :
http://www.defensa.com/colombia/eurofighter-typhoon-ejercito-aire-espanol-para-fuerza-aerea

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 14/12/2017 | 09:03 uur
Pentagon OKs limited F-35 testing before modifying jets

The Pentagon's top weapons tester intends to approve limited testing on the Lockheed Martin F-35 while the programme office waits for modifications needed to begin the fighter's full initial operational test and evaluation (IOT&E).

.../...

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pentagon-oks-limited-f-35-testing-before-modifying-j-444149/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/12/2017 | 11:46 uur
Air Force Starts Experiments for 6th Gen Fighter

https://scout.com/military/warrior/Article/Air-Force-Starts-Experiments-for-6th-Gen-Fighter-112340524 via @scoutmedia
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 17/12/2017 | 13:58 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 14/12/2017 | 09:03 uur
Pentagon OKs limited F-35 testing before modifying jets

The Pentagon's top weapons tester intends to approve limited testing on the Lockheed Martin F-35 while the programme office waits for modifications needed to begin the fighter's full initial operational test and evaluation (IOT&E).

.../...

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pentagon-oks-limited-f-35-testing-before-modifying-j-444149/
Verontrustend nieuws... IOT&E vermoedelijk pas vanaf 2020...
En zo blijft dat programma me maar weinig vertrouwen inboezemen.
Wie nu deze kisten afneemt komt voor bijkomende kosten en (mogelijke) upgrade-problemen te staan, toch?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 17/12/2017 | 15:01 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 14/12/2017 | 09:03 uur
Pentagon OKs limited F-35 testing before modifying jets

The Pentagon's top weapons tester intends to approve limited testing on the Lockheed Martin F-35 while the programme office waits for modifications needed to begin the fighter's full initial operational test and evaluation (IOT&E).

.../...

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pentagon-oks-limited-f-35-testing-before-modifying-j-444149/
Citaat uit bovengenoemde link:  "Recent reports stated that the Defense Department's office of the Director of operational test and evaluation (DOT&E) had approved some IOT&E testing that would include close air support and reconnaissance missions, a major shift from the office's previous position that warned against testing without completing modifications to all 23 test aircraft. "

Het grootste probleem in het JSF programma is "concurrency", de ontwerp en ontwikkeling fase (System Development & Demonstration, SDD) en de productie fase overlappen elkaar (teveel).  Die overlapping hebben we ook kunnen zien bij het B-1B Lancer project.  De B-1B was, is en blijft een onbetrouwbaar toestel, welke tijdens en vooral na de productie een groot aantal veel tijd en pecunia kostende opwaarderingen nodig had.

De SDD fase zou oorspronkelijk al in 2012 moeten zijn afgerond.  Tijdens aanvang van deze SDD fase had men over-ambitieus gepland dat slechts 17 % van alle testen ook in het 'echie' zouden worden uitgevoerd via test vluchten.   De overige 83 % van de beproevingen zou gebeuren middels simulaties, laboratorium tests en bureau onderzoeken !
Bij eerdere ontwerp projecten van auto's bleek tussen simulatie en werkelijke test al een verschil te zitten van 40 %.  Maar luchtvaartuigen bewegen om alle assen, met veel grotere snelheden, niet alleen in 1 G, maar ook tot en met 9G en in verschillende luchtlagen met verschillende drukken, temperaturen en vochtigheidsgraden.
SDD JSF kan dan ook beter vertaald worden als System Development & Discovery.   Was er geen of heel weinig overlapping, dan had men de benodigde modificaties kunnen uit proberen in een virtueel CATIA (tekenprogramma) 3D model of een houten mock-up.  Is veel sneller en goedkoper, dan Low Rate Initial Production (LRIP) kisten uit elkaar halen en verbouwen.

Oorspronkelijk stond voor de Initial Operational Test & Evaluation (IOT&E) fase 2,5 jaren gepland.  Dat is nu verkort tot slechts 1 (een) jaar !
Vreemd ?  Welnee, na 'afronding' van deze IOT&E fase kan men een Milestone C beslissing nemen en overgaan tot Full Rate Production (FRP).
Volgens de Amerikaanse wet mag het Pentagon voor het einde van de SDD fase niet eens overgaan tot Low Rate Initial Production, dus deze LRIP is illegaal.
Zodra een IOT&E is afgelopen dan gaat het Pentagon over op zogenaamde Multi Year Procurement (MYP) contracten, deze overeenkomsten zijn een zeer betrouwbare indicator van de werkelijke kosten van een materieel project.
Nu heeft men wel een zogenaamde "Block Buy" die ook meerdere jaren beslaat.  Maar juridisch zit deze Block Buy zo elkaar dat men de F-35's aanschaft in jaarlijkse deel-blokjes.  Deze Block Buy geeft overigens geen betrouwbare indicatie van de werkelijke kosten !

Het Pentagon en LockheedMartin is er dus veel aan gelegen om deze SDD en IOT&E zo snel mogelijk af te ronden.  Want veel te veel over time and budget.
Begroting bedoeld voor de Follow-on Modernisation (FoM) wordt nu ook al overgeheveld naar de begroting voor het IOT&E.
Tijdens de Full Rate Production wordt de F-35 voor LockheedMartin pas echt een cash cow.

Michael Gillmore trad in januari 2017 af als Director Operational Test & Evaluation (DOTE).
En op 17 december jongstleden werd Robert F. Behler ingezworen als nieuwe DOTE.
Michael Gillmore werkte voor het Congressional Budget Office (CBO) voordat hij in 2009 aantrad als DOTE.

Citaat van www.dote.osd.ml: "Prior to his appointment, he was the Chief Operating Officer and Deputy Director of the Carnegie Mellon University Software Engineering Institute (SEI), a Federally Funded Research and Development Center. SEI is a global leader in advancing software development and cybersecurity to solve the nation's toughest problems through focused research, development, and transition to the broader software engineering community."

Wat het DOTE OSD kantoor vergeet te vermelden is dat Robert F. Behler  een oud-generaal is van het US Air Force Command and Control & Intelligence,Surveillance and Reconnaissance Center.  ;)
Voordeel is misschien wel dat Behler ook een oud "experimental test pilot" is, die meer dan 65 types vloog tijdens zijn 31 jarige militaire carriere.

Feit is en blijft dat de operationele vlieger zo meteen een kist onder de kont krijgt die nog niet helemaal is uitgetest, met alle risico's en kosten van dien.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/12/2017 | 09:38 uur
Russia is working on VTOL fighter to replace MiG-29, Su-33 
( .. De Russen gaan het weer proberen.. maar een VTOL is wel heel wat anders dan een MIG-29 of Su-33 ! ... ze hadden natuurlijk de Harrier-clone Yak-38 en later de ontwikkeling van de Yak-41/141 maar deze is nooit in productie gegaan. )

Russia's Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov was quoted by Zvezda last month that Russia is working on a new vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) aircraft that will replace the MiG-29 and Su-33.

Borisov said the current discussions is on how to include the program in the state arms program.

Lees meer via http://alert5.com/2017/12/16/russia-is-working-on-vtol-fighter-to-replace-mig-29-su-33/#12g47mjU0w0DAb6f.99
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 18/12/2017 | 09:43 uur
Een VTOL kan onmogelijk toestellen als de MiG-29 en Su-33 vervangen.
Hun laatste, Yak-41/141 was al geen success.
En waarom zouden ze zo'n toestel ontwerpen en mogelijks produceren? Gaan ze ook de Amphib Assault Ship toer op?
Focus... focus op een carrier... eventueel nog steeds met hun STOBAR-uitvoering zou m.i. beter zijn, zelfs voor de Russen...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 18/12/2017 | 11:05 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 18/12/2017 | 09:43 uur
Een VTOL kan onmogelijk toestellen als de MiG-29 en Su-33 vervangen.
Hun laatste, Yak-41/141 was al geen success.
En waarom zouden ze zo'n toestel ontwerpen en mogelijks produceren? Gaan ze ook de Amphib Assault Ship toer op?
Focus... focus op een carrier... eventueel nog steeds met hun STOBAR-uitvoering zou m.i. beter zijn, zelfs voor de Russen...
Ja er zijn plannen om een aantal mogelijk LHD's te bouwen, er gaan geruchten dat het schepen van 24,000 ton worden. En misschien willen ze meer carriers bouwen maar zijn STOBAR/CATOBAR carriers te duur en/of ingewikkeld?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/12/2017 | 12:04 uur
Vraag mij toch af of VTOL niet met STOVL wordt verward. Ook de Russen moeten toch wel inzien dat voor een degelijke wapenlast STOVL beter werkt dan VTOL.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/12/2017 | 17:44 uur
Gripen E contract amended to new-build rather than remanufactured (http://www.janes.com/article/76467/gripen-e-contract-amended-to-new-build-rather-than-remanufactured)

Janes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/12/2017 | 21:18 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 19/12/2017 | 12:26 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 19/12/2017 | 09:28 uur
US Seeks More For F-16 Upgrade Than PM Announced
(Source: Kathimerini; issued Dec 15, 2017)
The US is asking for 1.62 billion dollars to upgrade 85 F-16 fighter jets belonging to the Hellenic Air Force to F-16Vs or Block 70s, Kathimerini understands.
The price tag is significantly higher than the 1.1 billion dollars announced by the government and the prime minister in Parliament.
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/189307/greece-to-pay-%241.6bn-for-f_16-upgrade.html (http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/189307/greece-to-pay-%241.6bn-for-f_16-upgrade.html)
De Grieken hebben blijkbaar nog steeds te veel geld...
Een wonder dat ze zich nog niet aangesloten hebben bij de F-35A club.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 19/12/2017 | 12:37 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 19/12/2017 | 12:26 uur
De Grieken hebben blijkbaar nog steeds te veel geld...
Een wonder dat ze zich nog niet aangesloten hebben bij de F-35A club.

Daarvoor zal net niet genoeg geld zijn, toch wilde men 300 ''advanced fighters''  iets tussen de 4th en 5th gen fighters. Maar door de crisis is er niet genoeg geld voor en moet men uitwijken naar geupgrade tweedehands F-16's en Mirage 2000's. Maar in de toekomst zal men zeker aansluiten bij de F-35 Club zeker als de Turken hun defensie zullen blijven versterken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/12/2017 | 12:48 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 19/12/2017 | 12:37 uur
Daarvoor zal net niet genoeg geld zijn, toch wilde men 300 ''advanced fighters''  iets tussen de 4th en 5th gen fighters. Maar door de crisis is er niet genoeg geld voor en moet men uitwijken naar geupgrade tweedehands F-16's en Mirage 2000's. Maar in de toekomst zal men zeker aansluiten bij de F-35 Club zeker als de Turken hun defensie zullen blijven versterken.

Het is voor de Grieken wel zinnig om de verschillende F-16C/D versies (Block 30, Block 50, Block 52+ en Block 52 Advanced) op 1 standaard te brengen. Ook Portugal wil hun F-16 vloot gaan upgraden.

http://dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/government-greece-upgrade-f-16-aircraft-f-16-block-v-configuration
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 19/12/2017 | 13:19 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 19/12/2017 | 12:48 uur
Het is voor de Grieken wel zinnig om de verschillende F-16C/D versies (Block 30, Block 50, Block 52+ en Block 52 Advanced) op 1 standaard te brengen. Ook Portugal wil hun F-16 vloot gaan upgraden.

http://dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/government-greece-upgrade-f-16-aircraft-f-16-block-v-configuration

Standaardisatie is zeker zinnig, maar in de toekomst zal je toch ook moeten denken aan vervanging voor bijvoorbeeld de Mirage 2000's die zou ik als eerste uitfaseren en vervangen door bijvoorbeeld de F-35 of ander toestel. De Grieken hebben nu nog 3 types fighter in dienst ik denk zelf dat dit beter terug kan naar 1 of 2 type's.

Men heeft recentelijk nog enkele oudere types uitgefaseerd ; A-7 Corsair (2014) & F-4 Phantom (2017). Men had tot op 5 jaar geleden dus 5 verschillende fighters in gebruik dat is toch niet gezond veel. En verder ontbreekt het gewoon aan visie in mijn ogen door je oude troep zolang te behouden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/12/2017 | 13:26 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 19/12/2017 | 12:37 uur
Daarvoor zal net niet genoeg geld zijn, toch wilde men 300 ''advanced fighters''  iets tussen de 4th en 5th gen fighters. Maar door de crisis is er niet genoeg geld voor en moet men uitwijken naar geupgrade tweedehands F-16's en Mirage 2000's. Maar in de toekomst zal men zeker aansluiten bij de F-35 Club zeker als de Turken hun defensie zullen blijven versterken.

Ergens zal het mij niet verbazen als de Grieken aansluiting gaan zoeken bij het Duits-Franse initiatief immers aardsvijand Turkije vliegt, als alles voor hun naar wens verloopt en daarmee ook financieel haalbaar blijkt, met zowel de F35A(B) als met hun eigen 5e generatie kist in de aanstaande decennia.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 19/12/2017 | 14:06 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 19/12/2017 | 09:28 uur
The US is asking for 1.62 billion dollars to upgrade 85 F-16 fighter jets belonging to the Hellenic Air Force to F-16Vs or Block 70s, Kathimerini understands.

$19mln voor elk toestel om upgradenl? WOW wat een geld.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 19/12/2017 | 14:35 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 19/12/2017 | 09:28 uur
US Seeks More For F-16 Upgrade Than PM Announced
(Source: Kathimerini; issued Dec 15, 2017)
The US is asking for 1.62 billion dollars to upgrade 85 F-16 fighter jets belonging to the Hellenic Air Force to F-16Vs or Block 70s, Kathimerini understands.
The price tag is significantly higher than the 1.1 billion dollars announced by the government and the prime minister in Parliament.
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/189307/greece-to-pay-%241.6bn-for-f_16-upgrade.html (http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/189307/greece-to-pay-%241.6bn-for-f_16-upgrade.html)

Hoezo vraagt de US geld aan haar regering voor Griekse vliegtuigen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 19/12/2017 | 15:02 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 19/12/2017 | 09:28 uur
US Seeks More For F-16 Upgrade Than PM Announced
(Source: Kathimerini; issued Dec 15, 2017)
The US is asking for 1.62 billion dollars to upgrade 85 F-16 fighter jets belonging to the Hellenic Air Force to F-16Vs or Block 70s, Kathimerini understands.
The price tag is significantly higher than the 1.1 billion dollars announced by the government and the prime minister in Parliament.
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/189307/greece-to-pay-%241.6bn-for-f_16-upgrade.html (http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/189307/greece-to-pay-%241.6bn-for-f_16-upgrade.html)
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 19/12/2017 | 14:35 uur
Hoezo vraagt de US geld aan haar regering voor Griekse vliegtuigen?
De US vragen dat geld aan de Griekse regering.
De som ligt blijkbaar hoger dan verwacht (en aangegeven door de regering en eerste minister in het parlement)
Kathimerini is een Grieks dagblad dat dit blijkbaar heeft opgevangen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 19/12/2017 | 17:56 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 19/12/2017 | 14:06 uur
$19mln voor elk toestel om upgradenl? WOW wat een geld.
De MLU van onze F-16's kostte destijds ook 6 miljoen per kist.  Reken inflatie, wisselkoers etc. dan ga je ook over de 10 miljoen.

En denk dat de ombouw naar V configuratie nog wat omvangrijker is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/12/2017 | 18:22 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 19/12/2017 | 13:19 uur
Standaardisatie is zeker zinnig, maar in de toekomst zal je toch ook moeten denken aan vervanging voor bijvoorbeeld de Mirage 2000's die zou ik als eerste uitfaseren en vervangen door bijvoorbeeld de F-35 of ander toestel. De Grieken hebben nu nog 3 types fighter in dienst ik denk zelf dat dit beter terug kan naar 1 of 2 type's.

Men heeft recentelijk nog enkele oudere types uitgefaseerd ; A-7 Corsair (2014) & F-4 Phantom (2017). Men had tot op 5 jaar geleden dus 5 verschillende fighters in gebruik dat is toch niet gezond veel. En verder ontbreekt het gewoon aan visie in mijn ogen door je oude troep zolang te behouden.

Griekenland vliegt altijd met een type lang door. Dat met de A-7 en F-4 is niet nieuw. De Griekse diensttijd van de F-5 en F-104 duurde ook lang. De F-16V is in feite een MLU voor hun vloot. De gemiddelde leeftijd is ook jonger. Wat betreft de Mirage 2000, hebben zij ook de jongste van het laatste productiejaar 2007. Waarom zou je die weg doen?

Als Griekenland net als Portugal op de korte termijn geen geld heeft voor de F-35, dan houdt het op.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 19/12/2017 | 18:46 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 19/12/2017 | 18:22 uur
Griekenland vliegt altijd met een type lang door. Dat met de A-7 en F-4 is niet nieuw. De Griekse diensttijd van de F-5 en F-104 duurde ook lang. De F-16V is in feite een MLU voor hun vloot. De gemiddelde leeftijd is ook jonger. Wat betreft de Mirage 2000, hebben zij ook de jongste van het laatste productiejaar 2007. Waarom zou je die weg doen?

Als Griekenland net als Portugal op de korte termijn geen geld heeft voor de F-35, dan houdt het op.

Ik dacht dat die Mirage's een stuk ouder waren vandaar en voorlopig kan je nog doorvliegen met die geupdate F-16's maar de vraag is of die over 10 jaar nog goed genoeg zijn voor inzet. Nou vliegen de Grieken niet vaak buiten hun eigen grenzen dus dat scheelt wel een hoop gedoe maar als de ''vijand'' (Turkije) steeds geavanceerdere wapensystemen inzet zullen ze toch mee moeten.
Maar goed die Turkse 5th gen fighter is tot nu toe nog niets meer dan een papieren vliegtuigje.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/12/2017 | 18:52 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 19/12/2017 | 18:46 uur
Ik dacht dat die Mirage's een stuk ouder waren vandaar en voorlopig kan je nog doorvliegen met die geupdate F-16's maar de vraag is of die over 10 jaar nog goed genoeg zijn voor inzet. Nou vliegen de Grieken niet vaak buiten hun eigen grenzen dus dat scheelt wel een hoop gedoe maar als de ''vijand'' (Turkije) steeds geavanceerdere wapensystemen inzet zullen ze toch mee moeten.
Maar goed die Turkse 5th gen fighter is tot nu toe nog niets meer dan een papieren vliegtuigje.

Een deel van hun Mirage 2000 vloot is inderdaad oud.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 19/12/2017 | 21:05 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 19/12/2017 | 17:56 uur
De MLU van onze F-16's kostte destijds ook 6 miljoen per kist.  Reken inflatie, wisselkoers etc. dan ga je ook over de 10 miljoen.

En denk dat de ombouw naar V configuratie nog wat omvangrijker is.
"6 miljoen per kist, over de 10 miljoen."

Over wat voor miljoenen heb je het, in guldens, US dollars of euro's ?

Bij de F-16 MLU werd zoveel mogelijk van "parallelle ontwikkeling" onderdelen gebruik gemaakt.  Onderdelen die voor type A werden of waren ontwikkeld, worden dan ook toegepast in type B.
Bijvoorbeeld de Modular Mission Computer, die gelijkertijd de Fire Control Computer, Head Up Display computer en Stores Management System verving is een directe afgeleide van de centrale Mission Computer uit de F-22A Raptor.
De twee 10 x 10 cm beeldschermpjes in de F-16AM/BM stuurhut, komen we ook tegen in de F-16C block 50/52. 

Uit het hoofd kostte de gehele MLU, inclusief airframe versteviging, ruim 13 miljoen gulden per kist.
Hiermee kregen we een kist die gelijk en in sommige dingen beter was dan de F-16C block 50/52.
Een na-evaluatie van de Noorse luchtmacht concludeerde echter dat het MLU project niet-kosten effectief was, in andere woorden: geen waar voor ons geld.
Bijvoorbeeld: Israel exporteerde al medio jaren 90 F-16 opwaardering pakketten die veel meer vaardigheden boden dan de F-16AM/BM en F-16C block 50/52 hebben, tegen concurrerende prijzen.  Amerikaanse jachtvliegers die na de Golf Oorlog van 1991 de kans kregen om in specifiek Israelische F-16 varianten mee te vliegen, waren onder de indruk en hadden deze vaardigheden graag in die korte oorlog in hun kisten gehad.

Kreeg de F-16AM/BM nog een opgewaardeerde APG-66 radar.  De F-16V krijgt ook weer een nieuwere mission computer, een veel betere 'glass cockpit' (beeldschermen stuurhut), maar een compleet nieuwe AESA radar.  Is dus wat ingrijpender.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/12/2017 | 09:41 uur
F-35 testers wrap up Weapons Delivery Accuracy tests (http://www.edwards.af.mil/News/Article/1400349/f-35-testers-wrap-up-weapons-deliveryvaccuracy-tests)

USAF

Inclusief het testen van het interne- (F-35A) en het externe kanon (F-35B en F-35C).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/12/2017 | 14:36 uur
Luftwaffe Eurofighters gain air-to-ground capability

Eurofighters of the Luftwaffe's Taktische Luftwaffengeschwader (Tactical Air Force Squadron, TaktLwG) 31 "Boelcke" in Nörvenich have gained an air-to-ground capability to deliver laser- and GPS-guided Guided Bomb Unit 48 (GBU-48) bombs, the Luftwaffe announced on 18 December. This is in addition to the service's existing air-to-air capability, meeting the requirement for Eurofighter to be multirole.

During the symbolic handover of a GBU-48 to the Luftwaffe on 18 December, Major General Günter Katz, commander of the German air force command's flying units, said the squadron's recent certification for its new role is the last step towards achieving an all-weather, precision-guided air-to-ground capability.

TaktLwG 31 is the first of four Luftwaffe Eurofighter squadrons to become multirole. The squadron deployed Eurofighters to the Vidsel test range in Sweden in September for trials in the air-to-ground role before national tactical verification in October. Maj Gen Katz said TaktLwG 31's pilots and technicians would share their experiences with the three other Eurofighter squadrons.

http://www.janes.com/article/76525/luftwaffe-eurofighters-gain-air-to-ground-capability

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/12/2017 | 08:01 uur
South Korea Plans to Buy 20 Additional F-35 Aircraft: Report | World News | US News

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2017-12-20/south-korea-plans-to-buy-20-additional-f-35-aircraft-report?src=usn_tw
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/12/2017 | 11:12 uur
The F-35 and F-22 Teach Each Other New Tricks

http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2018/February%202018/The-F-35-and-F-22-Teach-Teach-Other-New-Tricks.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/12/2017 | 12:00 uur
Block III Super Hornet upgrades to begin this spring (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/block-iii-super-hornet-upgrades-to-begin-this-spring-444447/)

FlightGlobal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/12/2017 | 21:31 uur
Boeing awarded USD6.17 billion for 36 F-15QA fighters for Qatar (http://www.janes.com/article/76660/boeing-awarded-usd6-17-billion-for-36-f-15qa-fighters-for-qatar)

Janes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/12/2017 | 10:10 uur
Lockheed Touts Non-Existent "Beast Mode" F-35 Configuration With 16 Air-To-Air Missiles

The graphic is disingenuous, but that doesn't mean that such a capability shouldn't be pursued

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/17250/lockheed-touts-non-existent-beast-mode-f-35-configuration-with-16-air-to-air-missiles
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 29/12/2017 | 12:40 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/12/2017 | 10:10 uur
Lockheed Touts Non-Existent "Beast Mode" F-35 Configuration With 16 Air-To-Air Missiles

The graphic is disingenuous, but that doesn't mean that such a capability shouldn't be pursued

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/17250/lockheed-touts-non-existent-beast-mode-f-35-configuration-with-16-air-to-air-missiles
Tot nu toe heeft het AIM-120 (AMRAAM project) 11 kills op zijn naam staan (inclusief de Syrische Sukhoi-22 die dit jaar werd neergehaald).
Vijf hiervan waren niet Beyond Visual Range (BVR).
Er werden in deze onderscheppingen in totaal 14 AIM-120's gelanceerd.
Dit geeft dus een totale Kill Probability (Pk) van 0,79.
De Pk in BVR is echter 0,46.

Maar ... : De Iraakse MiG-25 en MiG-23 waren tijdens de onderschepping op de vlucht en voerden totaal geen (evasive = ontwijkende) manoeuvres uit.
De Joegoslavische J-21 Jastreb en US Army Black Hawk hadden geen radar en Elektronische Oorlog Voering (EOV) systemen in gebruik.
De zes Servische MiG-29's hadden hun radars niet ingeschakeld.
Geen bewijs dat de slachtoffers EOV hebben ingezet.
Geen enkel slachtoffer had een vergelijkbaar BVR wapen.
Tijdens deze onderscheppingen was er sprake van numerieke gelijkheid of NAVO of Coalitie numerieke superioriteit.

Wat zal de BVR Pk van het AIM-120 zijn tegen een vijand die wel de beschikking heeft over EOV, chaff, evasive manoeuvres, flinke hoeveelheden BVR wapens gelijk aan of beter dan de AIM-120 en beschikt over AEW of AWACS vliegtuigen ?

De KLu schafte in de jaren 90 in 2 batches in totaal 200 AIM-120's aan.  Terwijl de NAVO voorschreef dat de KLu toen minimaal 500 AIM-120's had moeten aanschaffen.
Een 'viertje' of section bestaande uit 4 F-35A's met in totaal 4 x 16 = 64 AIM-120's zal dus flink inhakken in de aanwezige (te) kleine AIM-120 inventaris.
De Australische luchtmacht kocht in april 2016 450 AIM-120D's welke in totaal USD 1,1 miljard / ca. EUR 1 miljard kostten = ca. EUR 2,22 miljoen per AIM-120D, inclusief grond uitrusting, opleidingen, etcetera.  Een AIM-120D schot kostte in Fiscal Year 2014 de US Air Force een lieve USD 1,786 miljoen.

Het artikel uit het thedrive.com maakt melding van eventueel maximaal 4 interne AIM-120's in het F-35.
Het Pentagon bekeek in het vorige decennium al de mogelijkheid voor een air-to-air configuratie, waarbij de interne F-35A en -C wapenruimen in totaal 6 AIM-120's kunnen herbergen.  Zeker is dat hier voldoende ruimte voor is.

Leuk natuurlijk die "Beat Mode", waarbij de 6 'buitenboord' ophangpunten gebruikt worden voor 10 extra AIM-120's of vier 2.000 ponders en 2 AIM-9X Sidewinders.
Maar waarom kwamen die 2 externe peut tanks niet op het F-35 bul ?
Begin van deze eeuw bekeek het Pentagon de mogelijkheid van 2 externe peut tanks van elk circa 1.613 liter.  Dat zou de totale peut voorraad met 30 % doen vergroten.
Maar het bereik steeg slechts met ... acht %.
De F-35 LightningII heeft ook een paar aërodynamische probleempjes, o.a "wing buffeting" (schudden van de vleugels onder bepaalde omstandigheden).
Wat al vermoed werd, bleek ook waarheid; het F-35 is geoptimaliseerd voor interne wapenlasten en niet voor externe wapen en peut lasten.

In het vorige decennium werd er ook proeven gedaan met een F-18E/F Super Hornet met een in totaal 12 AIM-120's en 2 Sidewinders.
Maar we hebben deze configuratie nooit meer gezien bij operationele eenheden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/12/2017 | 13:26 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 29/12/2017 | 12:40 uur
De KLu schafte in de jaren 90 in 2 batches in totaal 200 AIM-120's aan.  Terwijl de NAVO voorschreef dat de KLu toen minimaal 500 AIM-120's had moeten aanschaffen.
Een 'viertje' of section bestaande uit 4 F-35A's met in totaal 4 x 16 = 64 AIM-120's zal dus flink inhakken in de aanwezige (te) kleine AIM-120 inventaris.
De Australische luchtmacht kocht in april 2016 450 AIM-120D's welke in totaal USD 1,1 miljard / ca. EUR 1 miljard kostten = ca. EUR 2,22 miljoen per AIM-120D, inclusief grond uitrusting, opleidingen, etcetera.  Een AIM-120D schot kostte in Fiscal Year 2014 de US Air Force een lieve USD 1,786 miljoen.

In het vorige decennium werd er ook proeven gedaan met een F-18E/F Super Hornet met een in totaal 12 AIM-120's en 2 Sidewinders.
Maar we hebben deze configuratie nooit meer gezien bij operationele eenheden.

En dan te bedenken dat het in de jaren 90 om de AIM-120A versie ging. De meest gangbare AIM-120C7 versie is al weer duurder.

Australië kreeg toestemming van de VS om 450 x AIM-120D te kopen, maar kregen zij dat ook geleverd?

Air-to-air twin launchers bij de Super Hornet worden inderdaad zelden gebruikt, maar zijn wel beschikbaar. De oudere legacy Hornet had ze al. De hardpoints nummer 3 en 7 van de F-16 zijn ook in staat om een air-to-air twin launcher te dragen. Echter was daar nooit vraag naar.

Tot 1999 zag je Europese F-16's ook zelden met 6 air-to-air missiles (was voorheen al mogelijk). Als de situatie er naar is, dan pas zie je wat het arsenaal daadwerkelijk kan zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 29/12/2017 | 18:50 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 18/12/2017 | 09:43 uur
Een VTOL kan onmogelijk toestellen als de MiG-29 en Su-33 vervangen.
Hun laatste, Yak-41/141 was al geen success.
En waarom zouden ze zo'n toestel ontwerpen en mogelijks produceren? Gaan ze ook de Amphib Assault Ship toer op?
Focus... focus op een carrier... eventueel nog steeds met hun STOBAR-uitvoering zou m.i. beter zijn, zelfs voor de Russen...
The South-Korena Dokdo class measures 18.800 tons and is 653 ft / 199,17 meter long. The Spanish carrier "Principe de Asturias weighs 17.190 tons and is 642 ft / 195,9 meter long. This ship is derived from the US Navy "Sea Control Ship", a light carrier designed in the seventies to operate VTOL planes only.
The "Principe de Asturias" sailed normally with 12 AV-8B Harriers and 12 helicopters.
The 14.150 ton Italian carrier "Giuseppe Garibaldi" can carry a maximum of 16 AV-8B Harriers.
The F-35B has a considerable larger "form factor". The Garibaldi will probably operate approx 6 - 10 F-35B's. The Dokdo has a dock / well deck too and room for 720 marines, 10 tanks, 10 trucks, 3 artillery pieces, 7 AAV vehicles and two LCAC hovercrafts, but only room for a maximum of just 10 helicopters.
How much F-35B's can a Dokdo LPH operate ?   I guess just 4 - 5 planes.

The British learnt that their 22.000 tons Invincible class does not have a efficient size / tonnage to carry a considerable number of fighter(bomber) aircraft.
A typical post-Falkland War Air Group consisted of: 3x AEW Sea Kings; 9x ASW Sea Kings and just 8 or 9 Sea Harriers.
So they started to propose a next generation carrier, initially sized at 50.000 metric tons and grew to the 70.600 ton HMS Queen Elizabeth.

At the moment, this type (F-35B) has a sortie generation rate of 1 sortie per ... 2 days.
In STOVL modus, operating from small LPH / LHD or LHA, the F-35B loaded with two 1.000 lbs bombs, two AIM-120's and a gun pod has a flight endurance just under 45 minutes. That equals to a max. flight distance of approx 333 kilometers / 180 nm.
When the F-35B operates from conventional runways ashore, the action radius will be tad less than 400 nautical miles / 741 km.
During the Gulf War of 1991, F-16C's had to operate from bases much farther away than the US Marine AV-8B's. Despite this, the F-16C's had a higher sortie generation rate !

Total average sorties flown per type, during Desert Storm, 1991:
AV-8B:............................38,8.....(100)
F-18 legacy Hornet:..........46,4.....(119,6)
F-15 Eagle:......................50,5.....(130,2)
F-16C:.............................53,7.....(138,4)
A-10A ThunderboltII:.........59,4.....(153,1)

If we load an AV-8B with 6 Mk.82 500 lbs booms and execute a vertical take off, because of fuel limitations, the action radius will be just 24 nm / 44,4 kilometers.
If we give that AV-8B a Short Take Off with a length of 1,000 ft / 305 meter. The payload will more than double and the action radius will increase to 203 nm / 376 kilometer.

Unfortunately, most LPH's or LHD's will have a total length of around 656 ft/ 200 meter.
For example: the 22.000 tons Royal Navy Invincible class have a total length of 685 ft /
209 m. But their runway has a length of just 551 ft / 168 m.
That gives an idea about the payload - range.

Stop the V/STOL and STOVL Myth.
This myth will saddle Navies, Marines or Air Forces with a machine, which is less capable, less survivable, considerable more expensive and comparably more difficult to maintain than CTOL aircraft.

I have taken those numbers from a post-Gulf War analysis done by the Pentagon and the Harrier Review Pannel (HaRP).   

bron: Locum, mijn Engelstalige 'tweeling broertje' op een Amerikaans forum.



Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/01/2018 | 09:19 uur
Navy Dogfight Begins: India Opens Talks with Boeing & Dassault
( ... zo zo misschien toch nog extra Rafale's voor India ? .. na het aankoop debacle .. )

The Indian Navy has officially opened vendor discussions with Boeing Defense and Dassault Aviation under its most ambitious current aviation thrust, a quest for 57 multirole fighters to operate off its future aircraft carriers. Livefist can confirm that while the navy did receive four responses in response to its call for information last year, only two are being regarded as 'serious contenders'.

A top Indian Navy aviation and procurement officer confirmed proceedings on the Multirole Carrier Borne Fighter (MRCBF) project to Livefist. He said, "We are treating only two of the responses as being from serious and ready contenders. This is in the interests of our current requirements and timelines."

As projected here on Livefist before, the contest is progressing as a direct face-off between Boeing's F/A-18 Block III Super Hornet and a modified version of Dassault's Rafale M F3R standard. Livefist can confirm that the Indian Navy isn't regarding by the same measure of seriousness the two other responses it has received — from Russia for the MiG-29K and from Sweden's Saab for the concept Gripen Maritime. It is all but official, therefore, that these last two contenders don't have a place in the potential race.

A request for proposal (RfP) process for the 57 naval fighters, to be executed under the Strategic Partnership (SP) model, could begin later this year. The navy is in the process of finetuning operational staff requirements before freezing naval air staff requirements (NASR).

While the navy hasn't stipulated engine numbers and launch configuration in its RFI sent out last year, Livefist gathers that planners are steeply inclined towards catapult launch (CATOBAR) operations, all but confirming that India's future aircraft carriers (IAC-2 onwards) will be flat-top vessels, rather than the ski-jump fitted aircraft carriers it has operated thus far (barring the original INS Vikrant in its early configuration). India's first indigenous aircraft carrier, the new Vikrant-class, will be a ski-jump fitted ship like the INS Vikramaditya and INS Viraat before it.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/189681/india-in-naval-fighter-talks-with-boeing%2C-dassault.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/01/2018 | 09:46 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 09/01/2018 | 09:19 uur
Navy Dogfight Begins: India Opens Talks with Boeing & Dassault
( ... zo zo misschien toch nog extra Rafale's voor India ? .. na het aankoop debacle .. )


Onlogisch is het niet, ik zie Dassault deze order uiteindelijk wel gegund worden tenzij Boeing deelname aan de ontwikkeling van de FA/XX in het vooruitzicht stelt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/01/2018 | 10:16 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/01/2018 | 09:46 uur
Onlogisch is het niet, ik zie Dassault deze order uiteindelijk wel gegund worden tenzij Boeing deelname aan de ontwikkeling van de FA/XX in het vooruitzicht stelt.

Wil de VS wel toestemming geven voor verkoop van de toekomstige F/A-XX aan India?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/01/2018 | 10:34 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/01/2018 | 10:16 uur
Wil de VS wel toestemming geven voor verkoop van de toekomstige F/A-XX aan India?

Goede vraag...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/01/2018 | 10:36 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/01/2018 | 10:16 uur
Wil de VS wel toestemming geven voor verkoop van de toekomstige F/A-XX aan India?

maar misschien wel aantrekkelijk voor India, gezien hun 6th gen fighter samenwerking met de Russen ook niet vlekkeloos loopt.
Aan de andere kant idd, de F-22 wordt niet verkocht aan het buitenland, dus ... de opvolger wel ??? Het is idd maar de vraag of de VS dat wil.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/01/2018 | 11:01 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 09/01/2018 | 10:36 uur
maar misschien wel aantrekkelijk voor India, gezien hun 6th gen fighter samenwerking met de Russen ook niet vlekkeloos loopt.
Aan de andere kant idd, de F-22 wordt niet verkocht aan het buitenland, dus ... de opvolger wel ??? Het is idd maar de vraag of de VS dat wil.

Klein nuance: FA/XX is beoogd opvolger voor de F18E, F/X is beoogdopvolger voor de F22.

Ik zou me kunnen voorstellen dat een volgende generatie kist aantrekkelijk wordt bevonden, want hoelang nog voordat de eerste 5e generatie kist een opwachting maakt op een of meerdere Chinese carriers? (vermoedelijk de marine variant van de J-31)

Het is in het belang van de VS dat India tegenwicht kan bieden, nu zijn de Amerikanen nog oppermachtig in die regio.... ik vrees dat ze dat over 10 jaar, zeker over 20 jaar niet meer zijn.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/01/2018 | 19:41 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 09/01/2018 | 19:02 uur
India is niet heel hard op weg om een supermacht te worden, maar vergeet niet dat ook dat land de potentie heeft om de VS te overschaduwen. Dus ja, de VS zal wel in de relatie met India  willen inversteren om China te counteren, maar de rol van kleinere landen hierin is m.i. belangrijker. Daarbij wordt de F35 ook niet aangeboden aan India. Dus ik verwacht dat dit met de nieuwe generatie ook niet gebeurd.

Afwachten.

Vooralsnog gok op de Rafale,  tegen die tijd dat Inda zover is, is de F18E vermoedelijk uit productie en om nu een lijn voor 57 exemplaren op te zetten?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/01/2018 | 15:39 uur
A-10s Bring Thunder, Lightning During Fight Against ISIS   (A-10 ... still going strong ..  ;) :big-smile: )

The 74th Expeditionary Fighter Squadron is wrapping up a deployment that saw heavy involvement in the fight against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.

Upon arrival, their efforts were focused on Raqqa for approximately three months. During that time A-10 Thunderbolt IIs participated in an urban close air support role. Pilots focused on protecting friendly forces as they maneuvered in the city between very large buildings in which the enemy hid and used as fighting positions.

"It was a difficult location to work in and we faced some situations that we have not dealt with before we arrived here," said Maj. Matthew Cichowski, 74th EFS assistant director of operations. "Our weapons and tactics planners have done an excellent job preparing us for the variety of tactics and locations that we use and operate in."

Adapting the squadron to the new location and varied tactical situations fell to the squadron's weapons tactics planners.

"When we showed up we got thrown into this fight essentially on day one," said Lt. Col. Craig Morash, 74th EFS commander. "The fight itself was within the urban complex of Raqqa and the pilots had to get creative to figure out ways to strike targets at the bottom of these five story buildings. There was a lot of learning as this wasn't something we traditionally trained to when we arrived. We reached out to different communities to see what we could learn from them.

"Everyone jumped on board trying to figure out solutions to the problems we faced even though we had long days and a mountain of work to accomplish," Morash continued. "Our intel shop processed an unbelievable amount of expenditure reports to make sure (U. S. Air Forces Central Command) had an accurate picture for what we were doing. Our life support troops were generating equipment and doing it perfectly every single time."

The squadron's intelligence Airmen also provide vital key information to pilots before their missions, enabling those pilots to adapt to threats and challenges on the fly.

"We're trained on what the capabilities of the aircraft are, which allows us to give threat perspectives to pilots with what's going on in the area of operations and how that affects the aircraft and pilots," said Senior Airman Jake Owens, 74th EFS intelligence analyst. "We brief pilots on possible threats they may face while flying missions and we're also tied into the intelligence reporting, where we report targets struck to higher headquarters. There's a lot of battle tracking and predictive analysis."

According to the squadron's weapons and tactics chief, one of the most difficult aspects of close air support isn't physically dropping the bomb, it's making sure the rest of the process has been done correctly. The pilots assigned to the 74th EFS are trained to work through that process correctly, making sure friendly positions are confirmed, any attack restrictions make sense and are adhered to, and they are flying above or are laterally deconflicted with any artillery that may be firing, and avoiding any exposure to threats like anti-aircraft fire or other aircraft.

"Positive identification is extremely important and is something that takes a large team and a long amount of time to get right," said Capt. Eric Calvey, 74th EFS chief of weapons and tactics. "Long before we show up there are individuals who use Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance assets to get an idea of what targets to strike and make sure that what we drop on is in fact a hostile target. We're the last link in the chain and there's a large amount of work done ahead of time to prepare these targets for strike before we employ munitions on them. It's amazing seeing the utmost care that is taken before we employ on these targets."

Although the squadron's deployment is coming to a close, Morash said they are still keen on supporting the ground forces, no matter where they are.

"Every single person in this squadron was and still is mission focused. They are looking at the bigger picture, seeing what solutions to problems could be and mitigating risk to ground forces every single day," Morash said. "The way this team came together, operations and maintenance, to look after each other and to get things done made me proud to be an Airman."

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/189764/usaf-talks-up-a_10%E2%80%99s-role-in-fight-against-isis.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/01/2018 | 19:52 uur
Kan in diverse topics

Could Russia's S-400 Do the Unkthinkable: Kill a F-22, F-35 or B-2 Bomber?

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/could-russias-s-400-do-the-unkthinkable-kill-f-22-f-35-or-b-24114
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/01/2018 | 19:15 uur
Here is Italy's first F-35B Lightning II flying in full Italian Navy markings for the first time today (https://theaviationist.com/2018/01/18/here-is-italys-first-f-35b-lightning-ii-flying-in-full-italian-navy-markings-for-the-first-time-today/)

The Aviationist
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/01/2018 | 10:41 uur
Efforts to Improve the F-35's Reliability Have Stalled, Pentagon Told   ( F-35 inzetbaarheidspercentage van 50% )

Efforts to improve the reliability of Lockheed Martin Corp.'s F-35 are "stagnant," undercut by problems such as aircraft sitting idle over the last year awaiting spare parts from the contractor, according to the Pentagon's testing office.

The availability of the fighter jet for missions when needed -- a key metric -- remains "around 50 percent, a condition that has existed with no significant improvement since October 2014, despite the increasing number of aircraft," Robert Behler, the Defense Department's new director of operational testing, said in an annual report delivered Tuesday to senior Pentagon leaders and congressional committees.

The F-35 section, obtained by Bloomberg News, outlined the status of the costliest U.S. weapons system as it's scheduled to end its 16-year-old development phase this year. Starting in September, the program is scheduled to proceed to intense combat testing that's likely to take a year, an exercise that's at least 12 months late already. Combat testing is necessary before the plane is approved for full-rate production -- the most profitable phase for Lockheed.

Pentagon officials including Deputy Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan and chief weapons buyer Ellen Lord have highlighted the need to reduce the F-35's $406.5 billion projected acquisition cost and its estimated $1.2 trillion price tag for long-term operations and support through 2070.

Still, the Defense Department is moving to accelerate contracting and production for the fighter despite the persistence of technical and reliability issues disclosed in the current phase of development testing.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/190124/efforts-to-improve-f_35-reliability-have-stalled%2C-pentagon-told.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 25/01/2018 | 10:45 uur
wat een onnozele kont berichtgeving.
Dat toestel is lang niet klaar voor gebruik, weten we allemaal, het is gloedjenieuw en nog in ontwikkeling.
Niemand kan hier wat mee, niemand heeft hier wat aan, enkel de onderbuik.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/01/2018 | 11:33 uur
Voor het DOT&E F-35 2017 rapport zie de volgende link onder DOD Programs

http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2017/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 25/01/2018 | 11:37 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 25/01/2018 | 10:45 uur
wat een onnozele kont berichtgeving.
Dat toestel is lang niet klaar voor gebruik, weten we allemaal, het is gloedjenieuw en nog in ontwikkeling.
Niemand kan hier wat mee, niemand heeft hier wat aan, enkel de onderbuik.
Gloedjenieuw maar toch al 20 jaar oud, een aantal onderdelen zitten al tegen obsolescence aan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 25/01/2018 | 11:40 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 25/01/2018 | 11:37 uur
Gloedjenieuw maar toch al 20 jaar oud, een aantal onderdelen zitten al tegen obsolescence aan.

Tja, zo werkt dat nu eenmaal in de luchtvaartindustrie. Zonder context is dit een bericht van de tenenkrommende catagorie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/01/2018 | 07:45 uur
Israeli air force leaning towards upgraded F-15 over F-35 for next fighter jet acquisition

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-air-force-leaning-toward-f-15-over-f-35-for-next-acquisition-1.5769565
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/01/2018 | 10:23 uur
Canada's CF-18s to fly until 2032 as new fighter jets expected to be slowly phased in  (dat duurt nog wel ff-en...)

http://nationalpost.com/news/canadas-cf-18s-to-fly-until-2032-as-new-fighter-jets-expected-to-be-slowly-phased-in
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/01/2018 | 10:39 uur
Citaat van: National Post op 29/01/2018 | 10:23 uur
Canada's CF-18s to fly until 2032 as new fighter jets expected to be slowly phased in  (dat duurt nog wel ff-en...)

http://nationalpost.com/news/canadas-cf-18s-to-fly-until-2032-as-new-fighter-jets-expected-to-be-slowly-phased-in

Dan heeft de CF-18 een behoorlijke End Life Update nodig. Op deze manier vliegen de Canadezen langer door dan de Finnen met hun jongere Hornets.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/01/2018 | 11:10 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 29/01/2018 | 10:39 uur
Dan heeft de CF-18 een behoorlijke End Life Update nodig. Op deze manier vliegen de Canadezen langer door dan de Finnen met hun jongere Hornets.

Ergens op Twitter de suggestie al gelezen dat de Canadezen dan zelfs aansluiting zouden moeten zoeken met het Duits-Franse initiatief FCAS.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/01/2018 | 11:22 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/01/2018 | 11:10 uur
Ergens op Twitter de suggestie al gelezen dat de Canadezen dan zelfs aansluiting zouden moeten zoeken met het Duits-Franse initiatief FCAS.

Misschien slaan ze de 5th generation wel over, dus geen F-35 voor hun ?
maar dan hebben ze nog wel een uitdaging met hun huidige vloot van CF-18 en om deze op sterkte te houden tot in 2032.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/01/2018 | 12:06 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 29/01/2018 | 11:22 uur
Misschien slaan ze de 5th generation wel over, dus geen F-35 voor hun ?
maar dan hebben ze nog wel een uitdaging met hun huidige vloot van CF-18 en om deze op sterkte te houden tot in 2032.

Het lijkt heel ver gezocht, maar in dat geval zou ook de Amerikaanse beoogde Super Hornet vervanger (FA/XX) in beeld kunnen komen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/01/2018 | 20:21 uur
Air Force Maps Future F-22 Weapons Strategy

https://www.themaven.net/warriormaven/air/air-force-maps-future-f-22-weapons-strategy-B96CBmoIR0qbXun5TD-XGg
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 02/02/2018 | 08:43 uur
Pentagon 'can't afford the sustainment costs' on F-35, Lord says   (...  :hrmph:... oeps )

WASHINGTON – Sustainment costs on the F-35 are poised to become unaffordable, and that's a big challenge for Ellen Lord, the Pentagon's newly christened undersecretary of defense for acquisition and sustainment.

As a result, Lord is focused on testing new business and data processes on the fifth-generation stealth fighter, including leveraging big data analytics for sustainment purposes.

"Right now, we can't afford the sustainment costs we have on the F-35. And we're committed to changing that," Lord told reporters at a Jan. 31 roundtable, adding that the plane is the "most significant" program in the Department of Defense.

The A&S head described the jet as an "awesome aircraft" in all three of its variants, but acknowledged that "the threat is rapidly evolving and we want to make sure we get the development work done to make sure by 2025" that there is new capability on the plane.

It's not the first warning on F-35 sustainment costs in recent weeks. On Jan. 18, Will Roper, the nominee to be for Air Force acquisition chief, said he was "deeply concerned" about sustainment on the F-35, saying it would be one of the first things he would tackle if confirmed.

.../...

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/02/01/pentagon-cant-afford-the-sustainment-costs-on-f-35-lord-says/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/02/2018 | 08:21 uur
Japan and South Korea face headwinds on homegrown jets

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/singapore-airshow/2018/02/05/japan-and-south-korea-face-headwinds-on-homegrown-jets/#.WnlXYt253ag.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: DvdW op 06/02/2018 | 09:39 uur
PENTAGON WIL FLINK WAT F-35 JETS INSLAAN

WASHINGTON - Het Amerikaanse ministerie van Defensie wil van het Congres meer dan 10 miljard dollar om in het komende fiscale jaar (vanaf 1 oktober) 77 gevechtsvliegtuigen van het type F-35 te kopen. Het toestel staat ook bekend als Joint Strike Fighter.

Als het Congres over de brug komt, wordt het dat jaar de duurste aankoop van het Pentagon, dat 10,7 miljard dollar of omgerekend 8,6 miljard euro wil uitgeven aan de vliegtuigen van de firma Lockheed Martin.

Volgens de planning komen er vanaf 2019 ook 37 van die F-35's naar Nederland. Ze zijn opvolgers van het gevechtsvliegtuig F-16 van de inmiddels door Lockheed Martin overgenomen vliegtuigmaker van het bedrijf General Dynamics. De F-16 is al sinds 1979 in gebruik.

De door de kosten en problemen omstreden F-35 is nog niet klaar. Het vliegtuig moet in de loop van dit jaar wel 'over zijn ontwikkelingsfase heen zijn'. De komende begroting van het Pentagon gaat uit van omgerekend ruim 480 miljard euro. Dat is onderdeel van meer dan 575 miljard euro die de regering van president Trump dan voor de veiligheid van de VS wil uitgeven.

Bron: https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/categorie/4/militair/pentagon-wil-flink-wat-f-35-jets-inslaan?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 06/02/2018 | 12:15 uur
Citaat van: DvdW op 06/02/2018 | 09:39 uur
PENTAGON WIL FLINK WAT F-35 JETS INSLAAN

WASHINGTON - Het Amerikaanse ministerie van Defensie wil van het Congres meer dan 10 miljard dollar om in het komende fiscale jaar (vanaf 1 oktober) 77 gevechtsvliegtuigen van het type F-35 te kopen. Het toestel staat ook bekend als Joint Strike Fighter.

Als het Congres over de brug komt, wordt het dat jaar de duurste aankoop van het Pentagon, dat 10,7 miljard dollar of omgerekend 8,6 miljard euro wil uitgeven aan de vliegtuigen van de firma Lockheed Martin.

Volgens de planning komen er vanaf 2019 ook 37 van die F-35's naar Nederland. Ze zijn opvolgers van het gevechtsvliegtuig F-16 van de inmiddels door Lockheed Martin overgenomen vliegtuigmaker van het bedrijf General Dynamics. De F-16 is al sinds 1979 in gebruik.

De door de kosten en problemen omstreden F-35 is nog niet klaar. Het vliegtuig moet in de loop van dit jaar wel 'over zijn ontwikkelingsfase heen zijn'. De komende begroting van het Pentagon gaat uit van omgerekend ruim 480 miljard euro. Dat is onderdeel van meer dan 575 miljard euro die de regering van president Trump dan voor de veiligheid van de VS wil uitgeven.

Bron: https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/categorie/4/militair/pentagon-wil-flink-wat-f-35-jets-inslaan?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Volgens het AD de duurste aankoop van het Pentagon ooit.
Ik weet echt niet welke hapsnurkers daar werken, maar daar raakt 10 miljard gewoon per jaar kwijt, dat is acceptabel boekhoudingsverlies.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 06/02/2018 | 12:35 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 06/02/2018 | 12:15 uur
Volgens het AD de duurste aankoop van het Pentagon ooit.
Ik weet echt niet welke hapsnurkers daar werken, maar daar raakt 10 miljard gewoon per jaar kwijt, dat is acceptabel boekhoudingsverlies.

1 Vliegkampschip kost al meer (12 miljard), het is wel goed nieuws voor de prijs van andere F-35's maar het is een aantal dat ruim binnen de plannen past.
Maar er staat niet de duurste aankoop ooit, er staat : ''Als het Congres over de brug komt, wordt het dat jaar de duurste aankoop van het Pentagon''

Maar die 10,7 miljard voor 77 toestellen is nog steeds 139 miljoen per toestel (112 miljoen euro) redelijk aan de prijs.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/02/2018 | 13:02 uur
Jammer dat er verder niets wordt vermeld over de onderverdeling (welke types en voor welk kmd).

Een Janes artikel van afgelopen juli.

http://www.janes.com/article/72153/dod-awards-usd5-6-bn-f-35-lrip-11-contract
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/02/2018 | 13:07 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 06/02/2018 | 12:15 uur
Volgens het AD de duurste aankoop van het Pentagon ooit.
Ik weet echt niet welke hapsnurkers daar werken, maar daar raakt 10 miljard gewoon per jaar kwijt, dat is acceptabel boekhoudingsverlies.

Het zit'm in "dat jaar"
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/02/2018 | 13:10 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 06/02/2018 | 12:35 uur
Maar die 10,7 miljard voor 77 toestellen is nog steeds 139 miljoen per toestel (112 miljoen euro) redelijk aan de prijs.

Over welke versie(s) hebben we het? Of spreken we hier over het gemiddelde van de drie varianten... de B en C zijn immers aanzienlijk duurder dan de A.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 06/02/2018 | 13:46 uur
USAF flies CFT-equipped F-15C for the first time

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.janes.com%2Fimages%2Fassets%2F629%2F77629%2F1718010_-_place.jpg&hash=a740e4d40f527f46762f52a0e6305e4ff79462e3)
The US Air Force (USAF) has flown a Boeing F-15C Eagle air defence fighter fitted with conformal fuel tanks (CFTs) for the first time, the manufacturer announced on 5 February.

An aircraft from the Louisiana Air National Guard's (ANG's) 159th Fighter Wing conducted the maiden flight of the CFT-equipped F-15C, paving the way for a significant increase in the platform's homeland defence capabilities.

As previously related to Jane's , the F-15C CFT upgrade has been processed through the NATO Support and Procurement Agency rather than the normal US contracting agencies, as it is the quickest means for the customer to field the capability. The CFTs are being built by Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) as a subcontractor to Boeing.

The F-15C CFT upgrade for the ANG is part of a wider USD12 billion modernisation effort taking place across the range of Eagle types being flown in the USAF inventory. As the largest operator of the Eagle by some margin, the USAF fields the platform in its F-15C air-superiority guise; its F-15D operational-trainer guise; and in its F-15E Strike Eagle ground-attack guise.

The USAF's upgrade roadmap is currently funded through to 2025, with several enhancements, such as the Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS), already carried out and fielded.

The latest round of upgrades is built around a new advanced mission computer. The F-15C fighter and F-15E strike variant Eagles are being fitted with the new Suite 9/ Advanced Display Core Processor (ADCP) II computer hardware and software package that are designed to power advanced capabilities.

http://www.janes.com/article/77629/usaf-flies-cft-equipped-f-15c-for-the-first-time


It's Back To The Future For U.S. F-15C Eagles And Conformal Fuel Tanks

Paired with a new missile launcher, the conformal fuel tanks won't only improve the Air National Guard F-15C fleet's range, but also its combat punch.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/18259/its-back-to-the-future-for-u-s-f-15c-eagles-and-conformal-fuel-tanks

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimagesvc.timeincapp.com%2Fv3%2Ffoundry%2Fimage%2F%3Fq%3D60%26amp%3Burl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fs3.amazonaws.com%252Fthe-drive-staging%252Fmessage-editor%25252F1517874182405-1280px-mcdonnell_douglas_f-15c_with_the_conformal_fast_pack_fuel_tanks_060905-f-1234s-017.jpg&hash=6f003bad43e09c180d8b09a1e8373392f584fddc)


F15 2040C
(https://www.ainonline.com/sites/default/files/uploads/2015/09/f-15_2040c.jpg)

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 06/02/2018 | 14:04 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/02/2018 | 13:10 uur
Over welke versie(s) hebben we het? Of spreken we hier over het gemiddelde van de drie varianten... de B en C zijn immers aanzienlijk duurder dan de A.
Dat kan ik ook in Amerikaanse nieuws items niet terug vinden, wel dat deze aankoop onderdeel is van de 2019  national security request van totaal 716 miljard dollar. Daarbij zitten ook de kosten van het ministerie van energie (nucleare wapens) en alle andere onderdelen die gaan over (nationale) veiligheid. Waarschijnlijk zal het dus gaan om alle 3 de varianten of in elk geval meer dan 1 versie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/02/2018 | 14:05 uur
Citaat van: Janes op 06/02/2018 | 13:46 uur
USAF flies CFT-equipped F-15C for the first time

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.janes.com%2Fimages%2Fassets%2F629%2F77629%2F1718010_-_place.jpg&hash=a740e4d40f527f46762f52a0e6305e4ff79462e3)
The US Air Force (USAF) has flown a Boeing F-15C Eagle air defence fighter fitted with conformal fuel tanks (CFTs) for the first time, the manufacturer announced on 5 February.

An aircraft from the Louisiana Air National Guard's (ANG's) 159th Fighter Wing conducted the maiden flight of the CFT-equipped F-15C, paving the way for a significant increase in the platform's homeland defence capabilities.

.../...

http://www.janes.com/article/77629/usaf-flies-cft-equipped-f-15c-for-the-first-time

Misschien voor het eerst voor Boeing, maar de McDonnell Douglas F-15C en F-15D van de 57th FIS te Keflavik hadden de CFT's al die jaren (jaren 80 en 90) permanent geïnstalleerd  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/02/2018 | 14:34 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 06/02/2018 | 14:04 uur
Waarschijnlijk zal het dus gaan om alle 3 de varianten of in elk geval meer dan 1 versie.

Dat denk ik ook, ik ben dan ook benieuwd naar de uitsplitsing die ongetwijfeld een dezer dagen te vinden zal zijn op het www.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/02/2018 | 09:20 uur
Saab responds to India Navy RFP with Sea Gripen   
( ik dacht dat er in een eerder bericht vanuit India aangegeven was dat er nog 2 modellen/typen in de race waren ... namelijk F-18E/F en Rafale M )

Saab has responded to an Indian navy request for proposals for carrier-borne fighter aircraft with an offer based on a marinised variant of its Gripen NG.

The navy is reported to require up to 57 multi-role combat aircraft that would replace its current fleet of Sukhoi Su-30s.

No details on the timeline for any acquisition have been released, with Saab officials indicating that they are unsure of when any decision would be made by New Delhi.

Saab says it is open to technology transfer as part of any Gripen deal. The Swedish manufacturer has previously partnered with Embraer to work on the Gripen E/Fs ordered by Brazil.

The Swedish manufacturer says the Sea Gripen will have all the capabilities of the Gripen E/F as well as a "small logistic footprint".

Meanwhile, Saab says it is confident of acquiring more operators for the GE Aviation F414-powered fighter in the Asia-Pacific, revealing that it is in talks with "prospects" including Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines.

However, Saab admits that it will have to wait and see if military budgets "match [their] ambitions".

Within the region, Thailand is the only Gripen operator with 11 examples of the C/D variant.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/singapore-saab-responds-to-india-navy-rfp-with-sea-445649/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/02/2018 | 10:21 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 07/02/2018 | 09:20 uur
Saab responds to India Navy RFP with Sea Gripen   
( ik dacht dat er in een eerder bericht vanuit India aangegeven was dat er nog 2 modellen/typen in de race waren ... namelijk F-18E/F en Rafale M )


Dat is correct maar.... India hé!

Saab zal vermoedelijk een zeer goede reden hebben om de M alsnog te offreren, wellicht van wege de roep om 1 type voor zowel luchtmacht (100) als marine (57).

Maar ik heb ergens gelezen dat met de 2 pitter "eis" voor de carrier heeft laten varen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 07/02/2018 | 14:31 uur
Ik wens het de Zweden echt toe, dat die Sea Gripen er komt. Ik mag hun 'spirit' en manier van denken... en ik kan me echt wel voorstellen dat er een markt is voor hun toestellen.

Wat hen echt niet mee zit is dat sommige potentiele afnemers (voorlopig nog) terecht kunnen bij de VS voor tweedehands toestellen (F-16).
De Europese F-16s die zullen vrijkomen wanneer deze vervangen worden door F-35A's zijn tegen dan rijp voor de schroothoop.
Aan de andere kant is het tevens mss ook een meevaller dat andere toestellen
- Rafale en Typhoon te duur zijn in aanschaf en/of onderhoud-spares etc
- geen optie zijn vanwege de herkomst: China, Rusland,...

Een Sea Gripen zou zeker interessant zijn voor landen als Brazilie en India...
De Indiers hebben blijkbaar geen/weinig vertrouwen in een samenwerking met de Russen.
Chinezen zijn/worden directe concurrenten in de Indische Oceaan.
De Brazilianen zie ik zeker opnieuw een carrier bezitten.

En wie weet komen er nog andere landen bij...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/02/2018 | 19:36 uur
Russia, Indonesia to agree delivery contract for Su-35 fighter jets

http://tass.com/defense/988697
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/02/2018 | 19:10 uur
Capability jump: IAF looks to buy fifth-generation F-35 fighter

http://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/capability-jump-iaf-looks-to-buy-fifth-generation-f-35-fighter-118021401246_1.html#.WoR7XPuImu4.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 14/02/2018 | 21:59 uur
F-35 voor India?
Een nieuw avontuur voor L-M? Eerlijk gezegd zie ik dat niet gebeuren. De Indiers zijn geen normale partners... Als ik zo lees wat die Rafale-deal van hen aan moeite gekost heeft... en tijd...
En ook... willen de Amerikanen wel zoiets hoogtechnologisch aan zo'n land verkopen? En andersom... gaan de Indiers wel het personeel vinden dat technisch (hoog) geschoold is en voor een Defensie-salaris wil werken?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 14/02/2018 | 22:31 uur
Haha aint gonna happen. Er mag geen russische paperclip in dezelfde basis liggen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/02/2018 | 22:59 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 14/02/2018 | 22:31 uur
Haha aint gonna happen. Er mag geen russische paperclip in dezelfde basis liggen.

Die garantie durf ik niet af te geven, voor de komende paar jaar ja, maar dit zou in het volgende decennium zo maar kunnen veranderen, zo is ook de "garantie" gegeven dat Israël de enige F35 gebruiker (naast Turkije) in het Midden Oosten zou zijn en blijven... toch zijn er blijkbaar ook de eerste voorzichtige gesprekken met de V.A.E.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 15/02/2018 | 15:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/02/2018 | 22:59 uur
Die garantie durf ik niet af te geven, voor de komende paar jaar ja, maar dit zou in het volgende decennium zo maar kunnen veranderen, zo is ook de "garantie" gegeven dat Israël de enige F35 gebruiker (naast Turkije) in het Midden Oosten zou zijn en blijven... toch zijn er blijkbaar ook de eerste voorzichtige gesprekken met de V.A.E.

Dat is anders, er is in de V.A.E geen Russisch vliegend materieel, danwel Russisch luchtafweer materieel.
Ook de Turken doen dit niet, en met het S-400 systeem zetten ze veel meer op scherp dan we denken.

De Indiers hebben hun halve club opgebouwd met Russisch materieel. Dat ligt echt anders. Te veel mogelijkheid op spionage.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/02/2018 | 18:20 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 15/02/2018 | 15:49 uur
Dat is anders, er is in de V.A.E geen Russisch vliegend materieel, danwel Russisch luchtafweer materieel.
Ook de Turken doen dit niet, en met het S-400 systeem zetten ze veel meer op scherp dan we denken.

De Indiers hebben hun halve club opgebouwd met Russisch materieel. Dat ligt echt anders. Te veel mogelijkheid op spionage.

De VAE zijn ook in gesprek met de Russen over de SU35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 15/02/2018 | 19:21 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/02/2018 | 18:20 uur
De VAE zijn ook in gesprek met de Russen over de SU35.

Uhu, wordt het die wordt het niet de andere 35. :) en never dan ook. Heb wat mee mogen voelen omtrent die f35. Ze slapen er nog net niet mee.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 15/02/2018 | 20:27 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/02/2018 | 22:59 uur
Die garantie durf ik niet af te geven, voor de komende paar jaar ja, maar dit zou in het volgende decennium zo maar kunnen veranderen, zo is ook de "garantie" gegeven dat Israël de enige F35 gebruiker (naast Turkije) in het Midden Oosten zou zijn en blijven... toch zijn er blijkbaar ook de eerste voorzichtige gesprekken met de V.A.E.
Die garantie is niets waard.  Egypte, diverse landen op het Arabische schiereiland, Koeweit en misschien Irak zullen in de jaren 20 en 30 hun 'teen fighters' (F-15, F-16 en F-18), Tornado's en Mirage 2000's moeten vervangen.
Dat is niet alleen een kwestie van een flinke handel aan mogelijke orders.  Maar de Amerikanen zullen ook de machtsbalans overthere goed in de gaten houden en dan kan het niet zo zijn dat men alleen een nogmaals opgewaardeerde variant op de F-15 Eagle, F-18 Hornet of F-16V in de aanbieding heeft.

F-15 Eagle's die voor Saoedi-Arabie bestemd waren deden een stop-over op vlb. Soesterberg.  Amerikaans personeel daar, wist te melden dat deze Eagle's nogal wat systemen misten of in een afgewaardeerde vorm aan boord hadden vergeleken met hun eigen kisten.  In andere woorden: ook de Amerikanen leveren export 'monkey' modellen aan landen.

Iemand van State Department (Amerikaans BuZa) vertelde dat de Amerikanen hun bondgenoten in 3 categorieën delen.
De zeer nauwe vrienden, de zogenaamde ABC landen, zijnde Australia, Canada en Great Britain.
Een tweede categorie, goede en (zeer) betrouwbare bondgenoten: bijvoorbeeld Nederland, maar ook Zweden.
De derde categorie bestaat uit landen die nuttig zijn voor je eigen nationale belangen, dus daar mee samen werken, maar die niet altijd betrouwbaar zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 15/02/2018 | 20:52 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 15/02/2018 | 20:27 uur
Die garantie is niets waard.  Egypte, diverse landen op het Arabische schiereiland, Koeweit en misschien Irak zullen in de jaren 20 en 30 hun 'teen fighters' (F-15, F-16 en F-18), Tornado's en Mirage 2000's moeten vervangen.
Dat is niet alleen een kwestie van een flinke handel aan mogelijke orders.  Maar de Amerikanen zullen ook de machtsbalans overthere goed in de gaten houden en dan kan het niet zo zijn dat men alleen een nogmaals opgewaardeerde variant op de F-15 Eagle, F-18 Hornet of F-16V in de aanbieding heeft.

F-15 Eagle's die voor Saoedi-Arabie bestemd waren deden een stop-over op vlb. Soesterberg.  Amerikaans personeel daar, wist te melden dat deze Eagle's nogal wat systemen misten of in een afgewaardeerde vorm aan boord hadden vergeleken met hun eigen kisten.  In andere woorden: ook de Amerikanen leveren export 'monkey' modellen aan landen.

Iemand van State Department (Amerikaans BuZa) vertelde dat de Amerikanen hun bondgenoten in 3 categorieën delen.
De zeer nauwe vrienden, de zogenaamde ABC landen, zijnde Australia, Canada en Great Britain.
Een tweede categorie, goede en (zeer) betrouwbare bondgenoten: bijvoorbeeld Nederland, maar ook Zweden.
De derde categorie bestaat uit landen die nuttig zijn voor je eigen nationale belangen, dus daar mee samen werken, maar die niet altijd betrouwbaar zijn.

Nou ja. Dat geldt natuurlijk niet per dimensie. Op inlichtingen vlak moeten de VS en NL heel dicht bij elkaar zitten. Dat kwam al vroeg voort uit onderzee club dingen. Gezien het park in marnerwaard, en dingen als recent is uitgelekt met lucky bear als concrete zaken waarvan het publiek wat weet is wel een beeld te vormen. Ik denk echter niet dat NL opgezadeld wordt met mindere F35's.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/02/2018 | 21:06 uur
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Citaat van: Poleme op 15/02/2018 | 20:27 uur
F-15 Eagle's die voor Saoedi-Arabie bestemd waren deden een stop-over op vlb. Soesterberg.  Amerikaans personeel daar, wist te melden dat deze Eagle's nogal wat systemen misten of in een afgewaardeerde vorm aan boord hadden vergeleken met hun eigen kisten.  In andere woorden: ook de Amerikanen leveren export 'monkey' modellen aan landen.

Deze 'monkey' versie van de F-15E voor Saoedi-Arabië is de F-15S. Deze krijgen een upgrade, zodat ze gelijk aan de F-15SA zullen zijn. Uiteindelijk worden ze dat wat ze in de jaren 90 hadden moeten zijn.

Ook op het gebied van bewapening kan de VS nog steeds een boel beperken. Egypte heeft voor hun F-16's alleen AIM-7M/P en AIM-9M als air-to-air missiles. Niet elk land krijgt toestemming voor bijvoorbeeld de AIM-9X en AIM-120C, laat staan de AIM-120D.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/02/2018 | 08:17 uur
Air Force Wants to Invest Heavily in Next-Gen Technologies

http://bit.ly/2F58GPG via @Militarydotcom
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/02/2018 | 10:35 uur
Airbus sees initial details of Franco-German fighter in second half 2018

https://reut.rs/2sC84i2
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/02/2018 | 07:58 uur
Murphy's Law: Chinese Stealth Stalled By Chemistry And Reliability #J20

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmurph/articles/20180218.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/02/2018 | 18:20 uur
Gripen E delivery schedule on target, says SAAB boss (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/gripen-e-delivery-schedule-on-target-says-saab-boss-446054/)

FlightGlobal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/02/2018 | 17:59 uur
Japan to Procure 25 More F-35A Stealth Fighters @Diplomat_APAC

http://thediplomat.com/2018/02/japan-to-procure-25-more-f-35a-stealth-fighters/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 21/02/2018 | 18:55 uur
Mooi. Prijs omlaag, kan NL goedkoper meer F35's bestellen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 21/02/2018 | 20:25 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 21/02/2018 | 18:55 uur
Mooi. Prijs omlaag, kan NL goedkoper meer F35's bestellen.
LockheedMartin heeft in het vorig decennium zelf verklaard dat de F-35 kostprijs pas structureel naar beneden gaat nadat er in totaal 1.600 LightningII's gebouwd zijn.

De JSF business case is oorspronkelijk gebaseerd op "Scale of Economics", een zo hoog mogelijke totale productie-volume van geschat 4.500 tot zelfs 6.000 kisten in 3 varianten die maar 10 a 20 % van elkaar zouden afwijken.  Deze grote aantallen zouden als 'zoete broodjes' van een vol-continue centrale assemblage-lijn in Fort Worth in Texas van de band moeten rollen.

Helaas is deze commonality terug gelopen van 80 - 90 % naar tussen de 20 - 25 %.  En gezien de hardnekkige problemen bij de F-35B en F-35C, zal deze commonality zeer waarschijnlijk nog verder dalen.  Je kunt dus bijna gaan spreken over drie verschillende jachtbommenwerper types.
Het geplande productie volume zal ook zeer zeker niet de 4.500 stuks gaan halen.  Denk eerder aan een max. van rond de 2.700 - 3.000 kisten.
Het officiële plan-aantal voor de US Air Force staat al jaren op 1.763 F-35A's.  Maar in het congres circuleren ook al bijna 15 jaar lang USAF fighter fleet road maps, die slechts uitgaan van 325, 480 of 858 USAF F-35A's.  Dat is me een Death Spiral.
In plaats van 1 centrale assemblage-lijn in Texas, zijn er nu ook van deze lijnen in Italia en Japan.  Dat verhoogt de totale productie kosten helaas ook weer.
Conclusie: de gedroomde JSF business case ligt in duigen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 21/02/2018 | 20:44 uur
Ik miste alleen de "juridisch bindende RFI"  en "kom we gaan terug naar 1980" anders had ik Poleme's F35 bingokaart vol gehad...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 21/02/2018 | 20:55 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 21/02/2018 | 20:25 uur
LockheedMartin heeft in het vorig decennium zelf verklaard dat de F-35 kostprijs pas structureel naar beneden gaat nadat er in totaal 1.600 LightningII's gebouwd zijn.

De JSF business case is oorspronkelijk gebaseerd op "Scale of Economics", een zo hoog mogelijke totale productie-volume van geschat 4.500 tot zelfs 6.000 kisten in 3 varianten die maar 10 a 20 % van elkaar zouden afwijken.  Deze grote aantallen zouden als 'zoete broodjes' van een vol-continue centrale assemblage-lijn in Fort Worth in Texas van de band moeten rollen.

Helaas is deze commonality terug gelopen van 80 - 90 % naar tussen de 20 - 25 %.  En gezien de hardnekkige problemen bij de F-35B en F-35C, zal deze commonality zeer waarschijnlijk nog verder dalen.  Je kunt dus bijna gaan spreken over drie verschillende jachtbommenwerper types.
Het geplande productie volume zal ook zeer zeker niet de 4.500 stuks gaan halen.  Denk eerder aan een max. van rond de 2.700 - 3.000 kisten.
Het officiële plan-aantal voor de US Air Force staat al jaren op 1.763 F-35A's.  Maar in het congres circuleren ook al bijna 15 jaar lang USAF fighter fleet road maps, die slechts uitgaan van 325, 480 of 858 USAF F-35A's.  Dat is me een Death Spiral.
In plaats van 1 centrale assemblage-lijn in Texas, zijn er nu ook van deze lijnen in Italia en Japan.  Dat verhoogt de totale productie kosten helaas ook weer.
Conclusie: de gedroomde JSF business case ligt in duigen.

Poleme amigo. Ik weet dat je echt veel weet. Maar jij kan never genoeg inzicht hebben in het plan van LM omtrent hun business case om die op waarde te schatten. Kon je dat wel kun je direct CEO worden daar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 21/02/2018 | 20:57 uur
Citaat van A.J.: "Ik miste alleen de "juridisch bindende RFI"  en "kom we gaan terug naar 1980" anders had ik Poleme's F35 bingokaart vol gehad..."
;D

Zeg KLu onderofficier, maar waar zijn uw argumenten ?   ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 21/02/2018 | 21:00 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 21/02/2018 | 20:57 uur
;D

Zeg KLu onderofficier, maar waar zijn uw argumenten ?   ;)

Die liggen in lijn met de opmerking van Huzaar.  ;)

Zonder gekheid, dit is natuurlijk materie die niet op straat ligt om maar een understatement te gebruiken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 21/02/2018 | 21:29 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 21/02/2018 | 21:21 uur
Maar veel informatie ligt ook wel gewoon op straat. Dat is zowel het voordeel als het nadeel van een westerse maatschappij.
Wij hebben rekenkamers, commissies en parlementen die gewoon geinformeert dienen te worden. En individueel zegt het misschien weinig, maar als je alles uit die landen combineert kun je toch een aardig beeld opbouwen.

Ja hoor. Oke ja tenslotte kan elke beursgenoteerde miljardenonderneming even makkelijk worden geanalyseerd...tot in de toekomst en daar voorbij. Ook heb jij overzicht in al hun deals, projecten, overheidsafspraken, zusterondernemingen, netwerken en volledig zicht op hun research en development. Tot zelfs de meest geheime veel belovende projecten aan toe.

Really.

Nee dat kunnen we niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 21/02/2018 | 21:33 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 21/02/2018 | 21:21 uur
Maar veel informatie ligt ook wel gewoon op straat. Dat is zowel het voordeel als het nadeel van een westerse maatschappij.
Wij hebben rekenkamers, commissies en parlementen die gewoon geinformeert dienen te worden. En individueel zegt het misschien weinig, maar als je alles uit die landen combineert kun je toch een aardig beeld opbouwen.

Dat zegt natuurlijk helemaal niets over de interne bedrijfsvoering en financiele  (meerjarige) planning van LM.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/02/2018 | 07:42 uur
USAF Speeds Next-Gen Fighter Family, With Eye Toward China

http://aviationweek.com/awindefense/usaf-speeds-next-gen-fighter-family-eye-toward-china via @aviationweek
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 22/02/2018 | 21:38 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 21/02/2018 | 20:55 uur
Poleme amigo. Ik weet dat je echt veel weet. Maar jij kan never genoeg inzicht hebben in het plan van LM omtrent hun business case om die op waarde te schatten. Kon je dat wel kun je direct CEO worden daar.
Ho, ho, wat ik schreef in Antwoord #2182 is gewoon openbaar. 

Kom we gaan terug naar 1985 (jou eerste jaar op de kleuterschool en AJ kan zijn bingo kaart weer aankruisen, off-topic he).  De KLu en US Air Force beginnen dan al na te denken over de F-16 vervanger.
Deze F-16 is dan al aan het evolueren van een clear weather (primair) luchtgevechtsjager naar een multi-funtionele all-weather jager in de vorm van de F-16C/D block 40 en hoger en F-16AM/BM.
De USAF begint in 1990 dan aan haar Multi Role Fighter (MRF) programma.  Een directe F-16 vervanger met een vergelijkbaar gewicht en afmetingen en een kostprijs van tussen de USD 35 - 50 miljoen.  Deze MRF zou ook eventueel de A-10 Warthog en US Navy F-18 Hornet kunnen vervangen.  De USAF was echter niet de enigste met zo een programma ter vervanging van vierde generatie jachtvliegtuigen/ bommenwerpers.

1.  Advanced Tactical Aircraft (ATA) 1983-1991,  vervanger van de A-6 Intruder.
2.  Advanced Short Take-Off/Vertical Landing (ASTOVL) 1983-1994, bedoeld als supersonische vervanger van de AV-8 Harrier.
3.  STOVL Strike Fighter(SSF) 1987-1994,  gericht op een stealthy / low-observable STOVL Harrier vervanger.
4.  Common Affordable Lightweight Fighter (CALF) a.k.a. Joint Attack Fighter (JAF) 1993-1994,  een samengang en opvolger van ASTOVL + SSF.
5.  Naval Advanced Tactical Fighter (NATF) 1990-1991, vervanger voor de F-14 Tomcat.
6.  Multi-Role Fighter (MRF) 1990-1993
7.  Advanced-Attack/Advanced/Fighter-Attack (A-X/A/F-X) 1992-1993.   Verving het ATA en NATF programma.

Het congres vond zoveel verschillende programma's en eventueel daaruit voort komende types veel teveel van het goede, want te duur in ontwikkeling, aanschaf en exploitatie.
Dus kwam men net als de vroegere defensie minister Robert McNamara in de jaren 60 met zijn TFX project / F-111 Aardvark met het idee voor een gestandaardiseerd "one size fit's all" type dat in zo groot mogelijke aantallen kon worden gebouwd, dus dacht men zo ook veel lagere productie-kosten te bereiken.
Het TFX project is niet helemaal 1 op 1 te vergelijken met het JSF project, maar heeft wel zeer veel overeenkomsten.
Beide projecten, in feite ideeën van politici produceren echter een groot, te zwaar, zeer complex, onbetrouwbaar en te duur wapensysteem.

De F-111 vliegers die hiermee boven Vietnam vochten gingen klagen bij de (hoofd) ontwerper Harry Hillaker.
Hillaker gebruikte die kritieken in zijn nieuwe ontwerp, een kandidaat voor het Light Weight Fighter project. wat uiteindelijk het F-16 bul opleverde.
Daarnaast luisterde hij ook naar gevechts en testvliegers en een defensie-analyst die beter bekend staan als de 'fighter maffia'.
Harry Hillaker ging de geschiedenis in als de "Vader van de F-16".  De F-16 Fighting Falcon, het resultaat van ervaringen en ideeën van mensen uit de praktijk.

Terug naar het JSF.  De business-case waar ik het over heb is niet de interne LockheedMartin F-35 business case, maar degene die opgesteld is door politici.
Grote aantallen van 1 type jachtvliegtuig.
Een commonality die boven de 70 % zou moeten liggen.
En een vol-continue centrale assemblage lijn.

JSF info die ik hier aan het beeldscherm toe vertrouw is afkomstig van AviationWeekly, Jane's, Air International mag.; vele publicaties van diverse rekenkamers (USA, NL, AUS en CAN), congres, Pentagon en denktanks.
Begrijpend lezen met een pot zout ernaast, want soms moet je bepaalde info met een korrel zout / schepje zout of pak zout nemen.  Hoor en wederhoor proberen toe te passen
en dan kan je een vrij goed beeld opbouwen van zo een project.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/02/2018 | 08:09 uur
India Upends Its Single-Engine Fighter Competition and Will Also Consider Twin-Engine Jets

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/18733/india-upends-its-single-engine-fighter-competition-and-will-also-consider-twin-engine-jets
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/02/2018 | 09:07 uur

https://twitter.com/WaelAlHussaini/status/966406708510842880

Russische PAK FA SU-57 in Syrië !

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic6.uk.businessinsider.com%2Fimage%2F56c34fe0dd0895685a8b466a-1920%2Fpak-fa-armament-1920x1080-infographicpostercom.jpg&hash=91f8db2fa2ab4660a5dddbf6c894d6d37fad6ce2)
http://static6.uk.businessinsider.com/image/56c34fe0dd0895685a8b466a-1920/pak-fa-armament-1920x1080-infographicpostercom.jpg

Did Russia Just Send Su-57 Stealth Fighters to Syria?
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/18693/did-russia-just-send-some-of-its-su-57-stealth-fighters-to-syria

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/02/2018 | 16:51 uur
In Policy U-Turn, Canada Allows Boeing, Lockheed to Compete for Future Fighter

Canada Releases List of Eligible Future Fighter Suppliers

OTTAWA, Ontario --- Canada has taken another step towards building a highly capable, flexible military with the ability to operate closely with allies and partners and to protect the safety and security of Canadians.

Today, the Government of Canada published a list of eligible suppliers that will be invited to submit proposals under the competition to replace Canada's fighter fleet.

The suppliers consist of foreign governments and fighter aircraft manufacturers that will be invited to participate in formal engagement activities over the coming months. This competition was launched ‎in December 2017 and the activities will continue until spring 2019, when the Government of Canada will invite eligible suppliers to submit proposals. Only those suppliers on the list published today will be eligible to submit proposals.

Proposals will be rigorously assessed on cost, technical requirements and economic benefits. The Industrial and Technological Benefits Policy will also be applied, requiring the winning supplier to make investments in Canada equal to the value of the contract.

The evaluation of bids will also include an assessment of bidders' impact on Canada's economic interests. Engagement with stakeholders and industry on this new criteria, as well as guidelines for its application as an ongoing procurement tool for major projects, are being conducted through separate consultations. Officials have already met with aerospace and defence industry associations and will continue to engage with various stakeholders on further refining this criteria over the coming months.

This procurement project represents the most significant investment in the Royal Canadian Air Force in more than 30 years.

..../....

Solicitation Amendment: Future Fighter Capability Project

(Source: Public Services and Procurement Canada; issued Feb 22, 2018)

Publication of the names of entities forming the Suppliers on the Suppliers List

This notice is provided in accordance with article 4.2 of the Suppliers List Invitation to publish the names of the entities forming the Suppliers on the Suppliers List.

-- Gouvernement de la République Française - Dassault Aviation (with Thales DMS France SAS and Safran Aircraft Engines);

-- United States Government - Lockheed Martin Corporation (Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company);

-- United States Government - The Boeing Company;

-- Swedish Government - SAAB AB (publ) – Aeronautics;

-- Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland – Airbus Defense and Space GmbH.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/191008/in-policy-u_turn%2C-canada-allows-boeing%2C-lockheed-to-compete-for-future-fighter.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/02/2018 | 18:22 uur
Indian MoD plans to scrap IAF's single-engine fighter project (http://www.janes.com/article/78130/indian-mod-plans-to-scrap-iaf-s-single-engine-fighter-project)

Janes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 23/02/2018 | 18:50 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 23/02/2018 | 09:07 uur
https://twitter.com/WaelAlHussaini/status/966406708510842880

Russische PAK FA SU-57 in Syrië !

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic6.uk.businessinsider.com%2Fimage%2F56c34fe0dd0895685a8b466a-1920%2Fpak-fa-armament-1920x1080-infographicpostercom.jpg&hash=91f8db2fa2ab4660a5dddbf6c894d6d37fad6ce2)
http://static6.uk.businessinsider.com/image/56c34fe0dd0895685a8b466a-1920/pak-fa-armament-1920x1080-infographicpostercom.jpg

Did Russia Just Send Su-57 Stealth Fighters to Syria?
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/18693/did-russia-just-send-some-of-its-su-57-stealth-fighters-to-syria

Kan me niet voorstellen dat dat ding operationeel gereed is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 23/02/2018 | 18:59 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 23/02/2018 | 09:07 uur
https://twitter.com/WaelAlHussaini/status/966406708510842880

Russische PAK FA SU-57 in Syrië !

Ze daar neerzetten is 1, daadwerkelijk inzetten is een tweede...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/02/2018 | 08:26 uur
New wings on Qatar F-15s pave upgrade path for USAF

A Qatari order for the F-15 Advanced Eagle will introduce a new structural upgrade for the wing that could be offered as a service life extension option for the US Air Force's F-15Cs and for the fleets of other international customers, a top Boeing manager says.

The government of Qatar awarded Boeing a $6.2 billion contract for 36 F-15QA (Qatari Advanced) fighters in late December that extends the St. Louis-based production line through the end of 2022.

The F-15QA introduces a number of previously-announced features, including an advanced cockpit system with a large format display, says Steve Parker, Boeing's vice-president of F-15 programmes.

In an interview with FlightGlobal on 22 February, Parker also confirmed the F-15QA also will be delivered with a redesigned wing that strengthens the internal structure without changing the aerodynamics,. The redesign was made possible by using advanced new manufacturing techniques developed within Boeing in the last few years, he adds.

As the F-15QA enters development, Boeing sees opportunities to replace the wings on existing F-15Cs, if the USAF decides to keep the twin-engined fighter in service for more than two more decades.

Over the past two years, the USAF has discussed options for keeping a subset of the F-15C fleet in service through the mid- to late-2030s. Those aircraft would require a longeron replacement with a $1 million cost per shipset, Parker says. Some Air Force officials also are discussing options to keep the F-15Cs in service even longer, which could require a wing replacement, Parker says.

The additional life extension is currently "not required, but it my be something they want to do"" Parker says. "We're just giving them some options."

Other customers, including the Japan Air Self-Defence Force, also may consider structural upgrades to keep their F-15s in service beyond planned retirement dates, Parker says.

Boeing showed off other possible upgrades for the 45-year-old F-15 fleet in a virtual reality display set up inside the exhibit hall of the Air Warfare Symposium on 22-23 February. The digital imagery included a concept for a "conformal technology pod". It would replace the conformal fuel tank with a pod that can carry advanced sensors, such as a side-looking synthetic aperture radar. Boeing also showed images of an F-15 adorned with the "Amber" multiple ejector rack, allowing the fighter to carry up to 22 air-to-air missiles.

Those proposed new upgrades come after a multi-year revitalisation of F-15 capabilities, including a new mission computer, electronic-scan radar, a new electronic warfare suite, fly-by-wire flight controls, newly-activated weapon stations and the more powerful GE Aviation F110-GE-129 engines.

"We're just taking the F-15 through a metamorphosis," Parker says.

Moreover, plans to win new orders for the F-15. Qatar ordered 36, but is approved by the US Congress to order up to 72, Parker says. Boeing also is delivering a requested classified briefing about the F-15 to the German air force, as one of several candidates to replace the Germany's fleet of Panavia Tornados, Parker says.

"It's not dead by a long shot," he adds. "It's got a bright future ahead."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/new-wings-on-qatar-f-15s-pave-upgrade-path-for-usaf-446189/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 01/03/2018 | 16:13 uur
Germany Wants to Keep Fighter Jet Expertise in Europe

German Ministry Sees Benefit In Keeping Fighter Jet Expertise In Europe

BERLIN --- Germany's defense ministry said on Wednesday that its plan to give priority to the European fighter jet over U.S. competitors in a competition to replace aging Tornado jets would retain aircraft expertise in Europe and continue use of a proven system.

The German Defence Ministry, in a letter to a Greens lawmaker, acknowledged that the German air force's strategy recommended parallel use of two different fighter jet models, but said that was "not a binding guideline."

The ministry said in December that the Eurofighter Typhoon was the leading candidate to replace its Tornado jets beginning in 2025. It said it did not share the view of German air force chief Georg Muellner, who had indicated he preferred Lockheed Martin Corp's stealthy F-35 fighter jet.

Its latest comments came after Greens lawmaker Tobias Lindner asked the ministry to explain that position, and how it jarred with the air force's strategy to operate two different models of fighter jets, aimed at ensuring the ability to continue operations in the event of fleet-wide grounding.

Deputy Defence Minister Ralf Brauksiepe told Lindner a final decision on the Tornado replacement would be made only after a comprehensive assessment of data provided by the aircraft manufacturers.

He said the ministry intended to buy a combat aircraft that was already available on the market, and would look primarily at the Eurofighter, as well as the Lockheed F-35 and the F-15E and F/A-18E/F fighter jets built by Boeing Co.

gehele artikel ... zie link
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-military-fighter/german-ministry-sees-benefit-in-keeping-fighter-jet-expertise-in-europe-idUSKCN1GC2X8
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 01/03/2018 | 16:19 uur
The F-35 may be heading into its faceoff with the A-10 this April

WASHINGTON — Before moving into operational testing, the joint strike fighter will have to prove its mettle as a close-air support plane to the Pentagon's independent testers, the F-35 program head said Wednesday.

This April, the Defense Department's director of operational test and evaluation will scrutinize the F-35's close-air support and reconnaissance capabilities during a series of flights at Edwards Air Force Base and the Point Mugu Sea Range in California, said Vice Adm. Mat Winter, who leads the F-35 Joint Program Office.

Winter said he isn't sure whether the close-air support assessment In April — the second increment of tests ahead of this September's initial operational test and evaluation, or IOT&E — would include the much-hyped F-35 versus A-10 flyoff. But it's coming soon.

.../...

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/02/28/the-f-35-may-be-heading-into-its-faceoff-with-the-a-10-this-april/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 01/03/2018 | 21:28 uur
Ben erg benieuwd wat daar uit gaat komen,als het "spel eerlijk gespeeld gaat worden tenminste. :P
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 06/03/2018 | 08:16 uur
Half of F-35's manufacturing defects are stealth related

As Lockheed Martin ramps up production of its F-35 stealth fighter, the company is burning time and money fixing defects on the aircraft as it rolls out of the production line.

Company executive Jeff Babione told reporters on Mar. 5 that those half of those defects are related to stealth.

"That's something that no other weapon system since the F-22 has had to do, and the F-22 never did it at the rates that we're trying to do it. Once we get a handle on that, you're going to see a dramatic reduction in the quality escapes that are made around the LO system," Babione was quoted as saying.

http://alert5.com/2018/03/06/half-of-f-35s-manufacturing-defects-are-stealth-related/#more-67712
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 06/03/2018 | 15:33 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 01/03/2018 | 16:13 uur
Germany Wants to Keep Fighter Jet Expertise in Europe

German Ministry Sees Benefit In Keeping Fighter Jet Expertise In Europe

BERLIN --- Germany's defense ministry said on Wednesday that its plan to give priority to the European fighter jet over U.S. competitors in a competition to replace aging Tornado jets would retain aircraft expertise in Europe and continue use of a proven system.

The German Defence Ministry, in a letter to a Greens lawmaker, acknowledged that the German air force's strategy recommended parallel use of two different fighter jet models, but said that was "not a binding guideline."

The ministry said in December that the Eurofighter Typhoon was the leading candidate to replace its Tornado jets beginning in 2025. It said it did not share the view of German air force chief Georg Muellner, who had indicated he preferred Lockheed Martin Corp's stealthy F-35 fighter jet.

Its latest comments came after Greens lawmaker Tobias Lindner asked the ministry to explain that position, and how it jarred with the air force's strategy to operate two different models of fighter jets, aimed at ensuring the ability to continue operations in the event of fleet-wide grounding.

Deputy Defence Minister Ralf Brauksiepe told Lindner a final decision on the Tornado replacement would be made only after a comprehensive assessment of data provided by the aircraft manufacturers.

He said the ministry intended to buy a combat aircraft that was already available on the market, and would look primarily at the Eurofighter, as well as the Lockheed F-35 and the F-15E and F/A-18E/F fighter jets built by Boeing Co.

gehele artikel ... zie link
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-military-fighter/german-ministry-sees-benefit-in-keeping-fighter-jet-expertise-in-europe-idUSKCN1GC2X8

ga maar lekker discussieren jongens. Bouw aan een heel leger aan denktanks, fora, discussie clubs, thema avonden, inter bi laterale EU samenwerking thee kransen houden en doen alsof de rest van de landen die zich erbij aan gaat sluiten er 'uberhaubt nog wat tussen gaat krijgen ( FR-DU ). Succes, echt.

Dikke doei en ik eet m'n schoen op als er iets uitkomt wat de Amerikanen verstelt gaat doen staan. Totaal niet interessant dit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/03/2018 | 08:06 uur
Super Hornet upgrade takes off with life-extension

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/super-hornet-upgrade-takes-off-with-life-extension-446490/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/03/2018 | 08:13 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/03/2018 | 08:06 uur
Super Hornet upgrade takes off with life-extension


Wat een interessante vraag oproept: hoeveel F35C zullen hiermee geschrapt gaan worden want een levensuurverlenging van de F18E/F tot 2035 loopt hiermee (vooralsnog) in de lijn van het operationeel invoeren van de FA/XX (die zo wie zo het predicaat F18E/F vervanger heeft).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/03/2018 | 20:51 uur
Pentagon faces major cost increase on F-35 Block 4 modernisation (http://www.janes.com/article/78443/pentagon-faces-major-cost-increase-on-f-35-block-4-modernisation)

Janes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 08/03/2018 | 22:02 uur
https://www.defensenews.com/industry/techwatch/2018/03/08/with-delay-in-us-south-korea-turns-to-europe-for-air-to-air-missile-technology/

Defensenews
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/03/2018 | 07:06 uur
Japan's new advanced fighter may be based on existing foreign design: sources

http://disq.us/t/300ewq0
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/03/2018 | 07:28 uur
Brexit throws Anglo-French FCAS programme into doubt

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/brexit-throws-anglo-french-fcas-programme-into-doubt-446592/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/03/2018 | 08:40 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/03/2018 | 07:06 uur
Japan's new advanced fighter may be based on existing foreign design: sources


Zien wij hier een interessante kans voor de Engelsen om samen met Japan een Typhoon en F2 opvolger te ontwikkelen?

Engelse deelnamen aan het Duits-Franse initiatief voor een Typhoon en Rafale opvolger lijkt immers alles behalve vanzelfsprekend en het Engels-Franse FCAS project kent blijkbaar ook de nodige twijfels.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 09/03/2018 | 09:16 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/03/2018 | 07:06 uur
Japan's new advanced fighter may be based on existing foreign design: sources

http://disq.us/t/300ewq0

Ja what else is new? Dit doen de japanners al sinds de jaren 60.
Met alles
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/03/2018 | 18:50 uur
Britain signs Saudi Eurofighter order (48 extra Typhoons)

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/bae-systems-announces-saudi-deal-48-typhoon-jets/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/03/2018 | 20:56 uur
More Russian Su-35 fighters rumored to join PLAAF

http://ati.ms/Zltdjs via @asiatimesonline
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/03/2018 | 14:01 uur
India & France In Talks For 36 More Rafales?

http://lsh.re/1O1Q9
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/03/2018 | 18:26 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 10/03/2018 | 17:44 uur
Wat bedoelen ze? Is die 6-16 miljard alleen voor de software update voor de Block 4 kisten? Of wordt dit toegepast op alle Block 3 kisten?

Alle Block 3F toestellen gaan uiteindelijk naar Block 4 (Block 4.1 t/m 4.4). Een gedeelte van de kosten wordt met de partners gedeeld en de rest is voor de VS.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 10/03/2018 | 23:59 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 10/03/2018 | 18:26 uur
Alle Block 3F toestellen gaan uiteindelijk naar Block 4 (Block 4.1 t/m 4.4). Een gedeelte van de kosten wordt met de partners gedeeld en de rest is voor de VS.
Dat alle block 3F kisten naar block 4 gaan is nog helemaal niet zeker.
Citaat: "The nearly $16 billion figure represented the outer limit of the modernization costs to bring all of the jets to their maximum potential currently known as "Block 4," Winter told reporters after the hearing.
The Pentagon was uncertain all F-35s would necessarily need to undergo this level of modernization."
bron:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lockheed-f35/u-s-f-35-fighter-modernization-could-cost-16-billion-through-2024-idUSKCN1GK02M

Deze hint geeft het Pentagon de ruimte om onvoorziene kosten op te vangen in het Follow On Modernisation (FoM), nu bekend als  Continuous Capability Development and Delivery (C2D2).

Het GAO (Amerikaanse Rekenkamer) gaf al in april 2016 al aan dat het FoM / C2D2 / Block 4 programma juridisch gezien een apart Major Defense Acquisitions Program (MDAP) hoort te zijn.  Met een eigen "baseline" aan aanschaffingen en regelmatige rapportering van kosten, tijdschema en prestaties aan het Congres.
Want nu valt dit relatief zeer grote project gewoon in de zeer grote JSF 'pot'.

EN ... het C2D2 programma heeft net als de System Development & Demonstration (SDD) fase ook te maken met "concurrency" = grote overlapping van ontwikkeling en productie fase.  Concurrency is een belangrijke reden achter de kosten explosie en een 7 jaar vertraging in het tijdschema van het JSF project.
Rotter, ervaringen o.a. met de B-1B Lance laten zien dat je daarna nog opgescheept zit met een structureel onbetrouwbaar wapensysteem.

In Nederland wordt het C2D2 programma ook niet gezien als een apart materieel project, maar (stilletjes) weggezet als exploitatie kosten.
Kan nog leuk worden: afgelopen woensdag en donderdag, tijdens een HASC "hearing" werd ook al bekend dat de F-35A heden een Cost Per Flight Hour (CPFH) heeft van rond de USD 50.000.

Military leaders spent two days on Capitol Hill outlining the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter program to lawmakers skeptical about the jet's costs.
"We understand that the F-35 program needs to reduce F-35 operations and supports costs by about one-third to meet service budget goals for affordability," said Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio) on Wednesday.
zie: https://news.usni.org/2018/03/07/lawmakers-quiz-military-aviation-leadership-about-f-35-costs
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Brandnetel op 12/03/2018 | 15:40 uur
'Swiss to be given vote on whether to buy new fighter, but not which type'

http://www.janes.com/article/78504/swiss-to-be-given-vote-on-whether-to-buy-new-fighter-but-not-which-type?from_rss=1

De Zwitsers gaan naar de stembus om te stemmen of ze een nieuwe gevechtsvliegtuig willen kopen of niet
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/03/2018 | 16:25 uur
Citaat van: Dragnadh op 12/03/2018 | 15:40 uur

De Zwitsers gaan naar de stembus om te stemmen of ze een nieuwe gevechtsvliegtuig willen kopen of niet

Te dom voor woorden... dit soort beslissingen/keuzes moet je wat mij betreft nooit aan het volk laten!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 12/03/2018 | 17:27 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/03/2018 | 16:25 uur
Te dom voor woorden... dit soort beslissingen/keuzes moet je wat mij betreft nooit aan het volk laten!
Behalve in Nood-Korea, daar stemt iedereen toch wel met de overheid mee  :silent:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 12/03/2018 | 17:28 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 12/03/2018 | 17:27 uur
Behalve in Nood-Korea, daar stemt iedereen toch wel met de overheid mee  :silent:

Ik denk dat de Zwitsers je ook nog wel eens kunnen verbazen mbt dit dossier.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/03/2018 | 17:37 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 12/03/2018 | 17:28 uur
Ik denk dat de Zwitsers je ook nog wel eens kunnen verbazen mbt dit dossier.

Oppositiepartijen gaan weer voorrekenen hoeveel rollators en rollen toiletpapier je kan kopen voor 1 fighter...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 13/03/2018 | 13:08 uur
Citaat van: Dragnadh op 12/03/2018 | 15:40 uur
'Swiss to be given vote on whether to buy new fighter, but not which type'

http://www.janes.com/article/78504/swiss-to-be-given-vote-on-whether-to-buy-new-fighter-but-not-which-type?from_rss=1

De Zwitsers gaan naar de stembus om te stemmen of ze een nieuwe gevechtsvliegtuig willen kopen of niet

alweer? Vorige keer werd dit hierdoor afgeschoten.
Het volk dergelijke beslissingen laten maken  :dead:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/03/2018 | 13:40 uur
India reveals cost of Rafale procurement (http://www.janes.com/article/78531/india-reveals-cost-of-rafale-procurement)

Janes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 13/03/2018 | 13:54 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 12/03/2018 | 17:28 uur
Ik denk dat de Zwitsers je ook nog wel eens kunnen verbazen mbt dit dossier.

Verbazen in de zin van dat ze nu wel meestemmen  ;D?
In 2014 heeft het Zwitserse alwetende volk namelijk al een koop voor Gripens afgeschoten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/03/2018 | 14:00 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 13/03/2018 | 13:54 uur
Verbazen in de zin van dat ze nu wel meestemmen  ;D?
In 2014 heeft het Zwitserse alwetende volk namelijk al een koop voor Gripens afgeschoten.

Ze kunnen weer tegen stemmen of net als in 1993 voor stemmen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 13/03/2018 | 14:05 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/03/2018 | 14:00 uur
Ze kunnen weer tegen stemmen of net als in 1993 voor stemmen.

1993?

In 2014 mochten ze stemmen en toen werd tegengestemd
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/03/2018 | 14:10 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 13/03/2018 | 14:05 uur
1993?

In 2014 mochten ze stemmen en toen werd tegengestemd

Met weer tegen stemmen doelde ik op 2014. In 1993 kozen zij via een referendum wel voor de F/A-18C/D Hornet. Zwitsers zijn een eigenaardig volk.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/03/2018 | 08:15 uur
China to Commence Research on Sixth-gen Jet Based on J-20 Stealth Fighter

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/22133/China_to_Commence_Research_on_Sixth_gen_Jet_Based_on_J_20_Stealth_Fighter#.WqjLz0eR_7A.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 19/03/2018 | 08:50 uur
Chief of German Air Force losing his job for supporting F-35   (..ooeeeps ...)

Luftwaffe chief dismissed over F-35 support

The Chief of the Luftwaffe is to leave his position in large part due to his support for a German procurement of the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), Jane's has learned.

Lieutenant General Karl Müllner will leave his position by the end of May, with the news of his retirement breaking just two days after Germany's defence secretary, Ursula von der Leyen, was sworn in for another term.

Jane's understands that Gen Müllner's outspoken public support for the JSF as a successor to the German Tornado fleet was pivotal in the decision for his early retirement. "The Luftwaffe considers the F-35's capability as the benchmark for the selection process for the Tornado replacement, and I think I have expressed myself clearly enough as to what the favourite of the air force is," Gen Müllner told Jane's and other media in November 2017.

The Chief of the Luftwaffe's active support of the JSF clashes with current Ministry of Defence planning, which prefers a successor solution involving the Eurofighter Typhoon.

http://www.janes.com/article/78644/luftwaffe-chief-dismissed-over-f-35-support
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: vlincent op 19/03/2018 | 21:19 uur
Dassault begins joint AI development with Thales


A study that will see Dassault Aviation and Thales develop artificial intelligence (AI) technology for future combat aircraft has kicked off under the remit of the French defence procurement agency (DGA).

The three-year Man-Machine-Teaming advanced study programme (PEA MMT) was officially launched by Florence Parly, French minister of the armed forces, on 16 March, which will see Dassault act as the prime and Thales as the co-contractor.

Parly launched the programme at Dassault's Saint-Cloud, France, headquarters and was welcomed by the company's CEO, Eric Trappier, as well as Patrice Caine, chairman and CEO of Thales, and Joël Barre, delegate general for armament.

Bron: http://www.janes.com/article/78675/dassault-begins-joint-ai-development-with-thales
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/03/2018 | 09:50 uur
First For Finland: Lincoln Welcomes Partner Nation Pilot

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=104763
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 22/03/2018 | 09:17 uur
Saab ready to offer radar tech for new Seoul fighter, if it lands maritime patrol aircraft deal

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/03/22/saab-ready-to-offer-radar-tech-for-new-seoul-fighter-if-it-lands-maritime-patrol-aircraft-deal/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 22/03/2018 | 14:07 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 20/03/2018 | 09:50 uur
First For Finland: Lincoln Welcomes Partner Nation Pilot

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=104763

En waar de neuk is deze spielerij goed voor?

Zelfde als dat er een Nederlander een rondje meevaart als 1e onderhoudstechnicus van de nucleaire reactor van een Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/03/2018 | 14:11 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 22/03/2018 | 14:07 uur
En waar de neuk is deze spielerij goed voor?

Zelfde als dat er een Nederlander een rondje meevaart als 1e onderhoudstechnicus van de nucleaire reactor van een Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine.

Misschien onder het mom van "Niet omdat het moet, maar omdat het kan.".

Deze Fin is in ieder geval niet de eerste die dit mag doen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 22/03/2018 | 14:24 uur
Finnen willen een carrier ofzo?

Zo niet zou de pipo die dit heeft bedacht ontslagen mogen worden wegens absurde verspilling van belastingcenten. Voegt echt nul komma nul toe een carrier landing maar vereist heel wat training in de simulator en begeleiding van leraren. Dat is allemaal niet gratis en vereist een aanloop van maanden.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 22/03/2018 | 15:40 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 22/03/2018 | 14:24 uur
Finnen willen een carrier ofzo?

Zo niet zou de pipo die dit heeft bedacht ontslagen mogen worden wegens absurde verspilling van belastingcenten. Voegt echt nul komma nul toe een carrier landing maar vereist heel wat training in de simulator en begeleiding van leraren. Dat is allemaal niet gratis en vereist een aanloop van maanden.

Nee de Finnen hebben natuurlijk hun F-18's al en ze hebben ze geen carrier gebruiken ze wel de haak op vliegvelden voor een noodgeval.

(https://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/495314913.jpg)

En waarom dan ook niet een aantal piloten laten oefenen met diezelfde haak op een vliegdekschip? Die kans krijg je maar 1 keer in je leven en je kan daardoor goed oefenen op het richten met die haak.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 22/03/2018 | 19:16 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 22/03/2018 | 15:40 uur
Nee de Finnen hebben natuurlijk hun F-18's al en ze hebben ze geen carrier gebruiken ze wel de haak op vliegvelden voor een noodgeval.

(https://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/495314913.jpg)

En waarom dan ook niet een aantal piloten laten oefenen met diezelfde haak op een vliegdekschip? Die kans krijg je maar 1 keer in je leven en je kan daardoor goed oefenen op het richten met die haak.

Je denkt dat zon piloot even opstijgt en doodleuk na goedkeuring van de amerikanen gewoon land op een CV omdat het kan....? Dat kost heel veel geld dit geneuzel en het levert geen fuk op.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 22/03/2018 | 19:20 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 22/03/2018 | 19:16 uur
Je denkt dat zon piloot even opstijgt en doodleuk na goedkeuring van de amerikanen gewoon land op een CV omdat het kan....? Dat kost heel veel geld dit geneuzel en het levert geen fuk op.
Nee maar ik denk dat het goed is voor de Finse luchtmacht om een aantal piloten die ervaring te geven zodat zij die ervaring kunnen overbrengen naar hun eigen mensen bijvoorbeeld door instructeurs wel op een carrier te laten landen. Niet elke piloot natuurlijk maar een instructeur kan die ervaring overbrengen aan zijn leerlingen waarmee het dus de investering waard is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 22/03/2018 | 19:32 uur
Oefenen op een vlakke baan is wel wat anders dan een schip welke door deining alle kanten opgaat en je moet dan oog hebben voor het schip, de "ball" en de plek om het dek te raken en dan moet je eigenlijk de 3de kabel ook nog hebben voor de beste landing....  :confused: :hrmph: Petje af voor die jongens !
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 22/03/2018 | 19:56 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 22/03/2018 | 19:20 uur
Nee maar ik denk dat het goed is voor de Finse luchtmacht om een aantal piloten die ervaring te geven zodat zij die ervaring kunnen overbrengen naar hun eigen mensen bijvoorbeeld door instructeurs wel op een carrier te laten landen. Niet elke piloot natuurlijk maar een instructeur kan die ervaring overbrengen aan zijn leerlingen waarmee het dus de investering waard is.
Wat een onzin !    Een lancering met de stoom catapult en aan het eind van de vlucht een gecontroleerde 'crash' maken op het vliegdek, met daarop volgend een grondige inspectie van het airframe en landingsgestel, kost zeer duur.
De Finnen gebruiken net als de Canadezen wel hun remhaak veel meer dan bijvoorbeeld de KLu.  Om veilig te kunnen remmen op (zeer) gladde en vaak ook korte banen.
De Zweden hebben hun Gripen's en Viggen's net als de F-18 Hornet een zeer zwaar landingsgestel gegeven, zodat deze zogenaamde "no flare carrier landings" kunnen maken met ongeveer dezelfde verticale daalsnelheden als jachtvliegtuigen die vanaf een vliegdekschip opereren.
Het voordeel van zo een "no flare carrier landing" is dat de Angle of Attack (AoA = invalshoek) van de vleugel veel vlakker is dan bij conventionele land based jachtvliegen a la F-16.  Die veel vlakkere AoA maakt dat de vlieger een veel beter uitzicht heeft op de landingsbaan en zodoende zijn kist veel nauwkeuriger op de baan kan neerzetten en zo effectief een minder lange landings uitloop heeft.  Plus dit is ook veiliger als je op een smalle autoweg moet landen.

Om deze manier van landen te onderwijzen en te oefenen is absoluut geen vliegkampschip benodigd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 22/03/2018 | 23:13 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 22/03/2018 | 19:20 uur
Nee maar ik denk dat het goed is voor de Finse luchtmacht om een aantal piloten die ervaring te geven zodat zij die ervaring kunnen overbrengen naar hun eigen mensen bijvoorbeeld door instructeurs wel op een carrier te laten landen.

En dan...

Wat gaan ze ermee doen dan. Noem eens wat.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 22/03/2018 | 23:37 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 22/03/2018 | 23:13 uur
En dan...

Wat gaan ze ermee doen dan. Noem eens wat.

Gewoon voor de kennis, waarom vaart een Nederlandse onderzeeboot officier mee met een Amerikaanse kern onderzeeër? Die gaan wij ook nooit krijgen same story. Het gaat om de kennis niet om het gebruik ervan.

Citaat van: Poleme op 22/03/2018 | 19:56 uur
Wat een onzin !    Een lancering met de stoom catapult en aan het eind van de vlucht een gecontroleerde 'crash' maken op het vliegdek, met daarop volgend een grondige inspectie van het airframe en landingsgestel, kost zeer duur.
De Finnen gebruiken net als de Canadezen wel hun remhaak veel meer dan bijvoorbeeld de KLu.  Om veilig te kunnen remmen op (zeer) gladde en vaak ook korte banen.
De Zweden hebben hun Gripen's en Viggen's net als de F-18 Hornet een zeer zwaar landingsgestel gegeven, zodat deze zogenaamde "no flare carrier landings" kunnen maken met ongeveer dezelfde verticale daalsnelheden als jachtvliegtuigen die vanaf een vliegdekschip opereren.
Het voordeel van zo een "no flare carrier landing" is dat de Angle of Attack (AoA = invalshoek) van de vleugel veel vlakker is dan bij conventionele land based jachtvliegen a la F-16.  Die veel vlakkere AoA maakt dat de vlieger een veel beter uitzicht heeft op de landingsbaan en zodoende zijn kist veel nauwkeuriger op de baan kan neerzetten en zo effectief een minder lange landings uitloop heeft.  Plus dit is ook veiliger als je op een smalle autoweg moet landen.

Om deze manier van landen te onderwijzen en te oefenen is absoluut geen vliegkampschip benodigd.

Ik weet niet de exacte gedachten van de Finnen hierin maar ik kan me zo bedenken dat een instructeur die piloten gaat opleiden toch wel iets heeft aan die kennis/ervaring. En nee je hebt er geen carrier voor nodig maar als je die kans krijgt is dat toch machtig mooi als fighter pilot?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 23/03/2018 | 08:06 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 22/03/2018 | 23:37 uur
Gewoon voor de kennis, waarom vaart een Nederlandse onderzeeboot officier mee met een Amerikaanse kern onderzeeër? Die gaan wij ook nooit krijgen same story. Het gaat om de kennis niet om het gebruik ervan.
Ik weet niet de exacte gedachten van de Finnen hierin maar ik kan me zo bedenken dat een instructeur die piloten gaat opleiden toch wel iets heeft aan die kennis/ervaring. En nee je hebt er geen carrier voor nodig maar als je die kans krijgt is dat toch machtig mooi als fighter pilot?

Gelul, zoals ik al zei dit is hetzelfde als dat een onderhoudstechnicus van NL meegaat als 1e onderhoudsmonteur van een kernreactor van een Ohio class onderzeeer. Enige wat we delen is dat we ook onder water varen maar alle specifieke kennis die zo'n persoon ermee opdoet die exclusief hoort bij zo'n ervaring is nul komma nul bruikbaar.

Ik wacht overigens nog steeds op wat dit de Finnen nu heeft opgeleverd.

Op een carrier landen is uniek, alle vaardigheden die daarbij komen kijken en training die is vereist is uniek, daar doe je niets mee in Finland. De enige overeenkomst is het gebruik van hetzelfde vliegtuig.
De maanden lange voorbereidingen waar mensen zich mee hebben beziggehouden en de kosten die zijn gemaakt aan mensen uren ( je onderschat imo dit ) wegen never op tegen een Fin die een keer op een schip land en vervolgens hier never nooit meer wat mee doet en niets kan overbrengen waardoor andere Finnen iets aan zijn ervaring hebben buiten reguliere training en een heel tof verhaal na.

Je vergelijking met de Nederlander op de onderzeeer gaat echt totaal niet op overigens, totaal verschillend verhaal. Bij een onderzeeboot ben je deel van een club lui die zo'n ding bemand en is het reilen en zeilen aan boord vast heel nuttig om mee te maken aangezien tactiek, kennis, protocol en wijze heel veel overeenkomsten heeft en simpelweg wat toevoegd aan de kennis en ervaring. Dat doet 1 piloot van 1 toestel met een situatie waar de rest of hij zelf nooit meer in terecht gaat komen niet.

Mijn versie van de vergelijking gaat wel op aangezien wij he-le-maal nada noppes nul doen met kernreactoren aan boord van onderzeeers en zoiets ook een nutteloze exercitie zou zijn buiten dat betrokkene het ' heel erg gaaf'  zal vinden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/03/2018 | 11:53 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 23/03/2018 | 11:39 uur
Soms doen we ook dingen 'omdat het kan'. Een inhoudelijk GVA zeg maar.
Maak me er verder niet al te druk om. Wij laten ook lui allerhande buitenlandse opleidingen doen waar al dan niet veel mee gedaan wordt.

Waarom zou je niet een van je instructeurs die opleiding laten volgen. Nuttig? Maybe, maybe not. Juist de specifieke eisen maken dat het vliegen anders is, je kijkt dus ook anders naar de tactieken die ontwikkeld worden.

Fransen landen ook met hun Rafales bij de Amerikanen. Operationeel nut? Maybe, maybe not.

Uitwisselingsprogramma's bestaan al decennia. Bijvoorbeeld Canadese vliegers hebben ook bij de US Navy of USMC vanaf vliegkampschepen gevlogen. Ook nadat Canada zelf geen vliegkampschip meer had. En de VS deed al aan uitwisseling met niet-NAVO landen.

De samenwerking tussen de VS en Finland is de afgelopen 25 jaar steeds inniger geworden. De uitwisseling tussen de USMC en de Finse luchtmacht komt op mij over als een blijk van waardering.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 23/03/2018 | 11:58 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 23/03/2018 | 11:39 uur

Fransen landen ook met hun Rafales bij de Amerikanen. Operationeel nut? Maybe, maybe not.

De fransen en Amerikanen hebben beschikking over vliegdekschip. Ik snap wel waarom ze dit oefenen of doen want het zou ooit nodig kunnen zijn, tenslotte NAVO.

ik wacht nog steeds op een uitleg. Of enig aangetoond nut.
Ik maak me er ook niet druk om, maar het zou fijn zijn als we zelf ook kritisch kijken naar wat er gebeurt en zo ook dit kunnen veroordelen wanneer NL dergelijke belastingcenten door het pleeputje stuurt,.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/03/2018 | 10:03 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/03/2018 | 23:27 uur
Scramble‏ @scramble_nl · 12 min.12 minuten geleden 

As mentioned on 14 March – please see  the Qatar Emiri Air Force has converted the option of 12 Dassault Rafeles to order! Please see here for details https://www.facebook.com/Scramblemagazine/photos/a.216124641747411.66937.145237522169457/2149324888427367/?type=3&theater ...
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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/03/2018 | 09:54 uur
Switzerland names contenders in $8 billion 'Air 2030' program (https://www.defensenews.com/land/2018/03/27/switzerland-names-contenders-in-8-billion-air-2030-program)

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/03/2018 | 15:53 uur
Croatia set to buy Israeli fighter jets

Croatia is set to buy a squadron of F-16 fighter jets from Israel to modernise its military, after the country's top defence body backed the deal.

Zagreb launched a tender offer in 2017 to acquire military jets to replace its outdated Russian-made MiG-21s.

Apart from Israel, the countries invited to submit bids included Greece, South Korea, Sweden and the US.

Croatian Defence Council said in statement: 'The defence council... has accepted that Israel made the best offer and gave a recommendation to the government to decide on acquiring the Israeli planes.'

The deal to buy 12 already used F-16 jets, worth $500 million according to media reports, has yet to be confirmed by the government, but the approval is believed to be just a formality.

Damir Krsticevic, Croatia's Defence Minister, said: 'It is a historic decision... a project guaranteeing Croatia's security and sovereignty.'

The minister has said he expected the first jets to arrive in 2020, and the remaining ones by 2022.

Top Croatian officials have voiced concern over the condition of the country's MiG-21s.

Media reports said that only four of the 12 were fully operational.

Croatia joined NATO in 2009 and the European Union four years later.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/croatia-set-buy-israeli-fighter-jets/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 28/03/2018 | 16:14 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 28/03/2018 | 15:53 uur
Croatia set to buy Israeli fighter jets

Croatia is set to buy a squadron of F-16 fighter jets from Israel to modernise its military, after the country's top defence body backed the deal.

Zagreb launched a tender offer in 2017 to acquire military jets to replace its outdated Russian-made MiG-21s.

Apart from Israel, the countries invited to submit bids included Greece, South Korea, Sweden and the US.

Croatian Defence Council said in statement: 'The defence council... has accepted that Israel made the best offer and gave a recommendation to the government to decide on acquiring the Israeli planes.'

The deal to buy 12 already used F-16 jets, worth $500 million according to media reports, has yet to be confirmed by the government, but the approval is believed to be just a formality.

Damir Krsticevic, Croatia's Defence Minister, said: 'It is a historic decision... a project guaranteeing Croatia's security and sovereignty.'

The minister has said he expected the first jets to arrive in 2020, and the remaining ones by 2022.

Top Croatian officials have voiced concern over the condition of the country's MiG-21s.

Media reports said that only four of the 12 were fully operational.

Croatia joined NATO in 2009 and the European Union four years later.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/croatia-set-buy-israeli-fighter-jets/

Misschien hele domme vraag of opmerking van me. Maar wat heb je in hemelsnaam aan die oude zooi?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/03/2018 | 16:14 uur
USAF May Cut 590 F-35 Fighters If Ops Costs Aren't Cut   (....  :hrmph: oeps .... )

Air Force Risks Losing Third of F-35s If Upkeep Costs Aren't Cut

The U.S. Air Force may have to cut its purchases of Lockheed Martin Corp.'s F-35 by a third if it can't find ways to reduce operations and support costs by as much as 38 percent over a decade, according to an internal analysis.

The shortfall would force the service to subtract 590 of the fighter jets from the 1,763 it plans to order, the Air Force office charged with evaluating the F-35's impact on operations and budgets, [said] in an assessment obtained by Bloomberg News.

While the Defense Department has said it has gained control over costs for developing and producing a fleet of 2,456 F-35s for the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps -- now projected at $406 billion -- the internal analysis underscores the current and looming challenges of maintaining and operating the warplanes.

It may cost as much as $1.1 trillion to keep the F-35s flying and maintained through 2070, according to the current estimate from the Pentagon's independent cost unit.

A chart in the Air Force analysis, which was completed in December, said the service has "very limited visibility into how" increasing funds going to Lockheed for "contractor support" are spent.

First Disclosure

The analysis represents the first public disclosure of the potential impact if support costs aren't reduced. Using figures developed in 2012, the Air Force faces an annual bill of about $3.8 billion a year that must be cut back over the coming decade.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-28/air-force-risks-losing-third-of-f-35s-if-upkeep-costs-aren-t-cut
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/03/2018 | 16:18 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 28/03/2018 | 16:14 uur
Misschien hele domme vraag of opmerking van me. Maar wat heb je in hemelsnaam aan die oude zooi?

Tja op zich wel een vooruitgang van Mig-21 naar "tweedehands" F-16...
Het was ook al niet zo florissant gesteld met het aantal luchtwaardige toestellen, dat zal zeker wel verbeteren denk ik 

Citaat van: Harald op 28/03/2018 | 15:53 uur
Top Croatian officials have voiced concern over the condition of the country's MiG-21s.

Media reports said that only four of the 12 were fully operational.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 28/03/2018 | 16:20 uur
wat wel opvalt is dat toen wij in die discussie zaten waar de Belgen zich nu in bevinden dat elk nieuwsbericht van de Amerikanen direct breed werd uitgemeten in ons nieuws. Dat is daar helemaal niet het geval, daarom heb ik sterk het idee dat het helemaal niet over de F-35 gaat daar, maar over de F-16 vervanging. Ze willen daar helemaal niet aan, simpelweg omdat het een gevechtsvliegtuig is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 28/03/2018 | 16:21 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 28/03/2018 | 16:18 uur
Tja op zich wel een vooruitgang van Mig-21 naar "tweedehands" F-16...
Het was ook al niet zo florissant gesteld met het aantal luchtwaardige toestellen, dat zal zeker wel verbeteren denk ik
Ja het vliegt maar ze volstoppen met peut en wapens en je kunt geen bocht meer vliegen. Begrijp dit soort aankopen nooit zo, ook al is het de kroatische luchtmacht. Richt je dan maar volledig op A2/AD wat een stuk goedkoper kan zijn en ga gewoon lekker afspreken met buurlanden dat er een QRF voor je wordt gedaan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/03/2018 | 16:26 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 28/03/2018 | 16:20 uur
wat wel opvalt is dat toen wij in die discussie zaten waar de Belgen zich nu in bevinden dat elk nieuwsbericht van de Amerikanen direct breed werd uitgemeten in ons nieuws. Dat is daar helemaal niet het geval, daarom heb ik sterk het idee dat het helemaal niet over de F-35 gaat daar, maar over de F-16 vervanging. Ze willen daar helemaal niet aan, simpelweg omdat het een gevechtsvliegtuig is.

Dat idee heb ik ook.. als Manneken Pis maar gratis bier en chips krijgt, dan kan de rest van de wereld wel zorgdragen voor de veiligheid van de Belgen.  :sick:



Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/03/2018 | 16:50 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/03/2018 | 16:26 uur
Dat idee heb ik ook.. als Manneken Pis maar gratis bier en chips krijgt, dan kan de rest van de wereld wel zorgdragen voor de veiligheid van de Belgen.  :sick:

Als NL al flink op de vingers wordt getikt (gehamerd) wat zal er dan wel niet bij de Belgische vingers gedaan worden ??
Met NL defensie was het alwel erg onder het motto "meer met minder" ...  :hrmph: , maar daar is nu de wil om te verbeteren, maar in België is daar zoveel verdeeldheid en ook de steun niet om te verbeteren. En dat Defensie breed   
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/03/2018 | 17:23 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 28/03/2018 | 16:50 uur
Als NL al flink op de vingers wordt getikt (gehamerd) wat zal er dan wel niet bij de Belgische vingers gedaan worden ??
Met NL defensie was het alwel erg onder het motto "meer met minder" ...  :hrmph: , maar daar is nu de wil om te verbeteren, maar in België is daar zoveel verdeeldheid en ook de steun niet om te verbeteren. En dat Defensie breed

Sterfhuisconstructie....

Als w peg hebben dan houden ze wat nieuw marine materieel over + een 7 of 8 transportvliegtuigen en de para's.

De rest RIP
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 28/03/2018 | 19:35 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 28/03/2018 | 16:14 uur
USAF May Cut 590 F-35 Fighters If Ops Costs Aren't Cut   (....  :hrmph: oeps .... )

Air Force Risks Losing Third of F-35s If Upkeep Costs Aren't Cut
Poleme z'n prognose zal zowaar nog uitkomen...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/03/2018 | 19:42 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 28/03/2018 | 19:35 uur
Poleme z'n prognose zal zowaar nog uitkomen...

Dit soort aantallen zijn nu niet bepaald gunstig voor de exploitatiekosten.....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 28/03/2018 | 20:07 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 28/03/2018 | 15:53 uur
Croatia set to buy Israeli fighter jets

Croatia is set to buy a squadron of F-16 fighter jets from Israel to modernise its military, after the country's top defence body backed the deal.

Zagreb launched a tender offer in 2017 to acquire military jets to replace its outdated Russian-made MiG-21s.

Apart from Israel, the countries invited to submit bids included Greece, South Korea, Sweden and the US.

Croatian Defence Council said in statement: 'The defence council... has accepted that Israel made the best offer and gave a recommendation to the government to decide on acquiring the Israeli planes.'

The deal to buy 12 already used F-16 jets, worth $500 million according to media reports, has yet to be confirmed by the government, but the approval is believed to be just a formality.

Damir Krsticevic, Croatia's Defence Minister, said: 'It is a historic decision... a project guaranteeing Croatia's security and sovereignty.'

The minister has said he expected the first jets to arrive in 2020, and the remaining ones by 2022.

Top Croatian officials have voiced concern over the condition of the country's MiG-21s.

Media reports said that only four of the 12 were fully operational.

Croatia joined NATO in 2009 and the European Union four years later.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/croatia-set-buy-israeli-fighter-jets/
Waarom is hier niet gekozen voor de Grippen???? Hongarije en Tsjechië gingen ze voor. Dan heb je jong gebruikte exemplaren van de Zweedse luchtmacht ipv afgeragde troep waar de Israëliërs vanaf moesten. lijkt me toch een stuk goedkoper in aanschaf (de IAF kisten zullen eerst wel geüpgraded moeten worden terwijl de JAS-39C/D nog wel redelijk bij de tijd is) verder zouden tweede hands grippens van de Zweden nog jaren meekunnen eventueel later upgraden naar Grippen NG standaard terwijl je met die gebruikte F-16's in het stijlste gedeelte van de hier veel genoemde 'badkuipkromme' terecht komt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/03/2018 | 09:03 uur
US Navy plans to modify 45 more Super Hornets 
(bestellingen van nieuwe SH en MLU/upgrade  BL III van bestaande SH ... de SH blijven nog wel ff doorvliegen. )

The US Navy plans to modify 45 more Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets in the next two years to increase the aircraft's service life and capabilities, the US Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) announced on 27 March.

The potential contract will cover modifications to up to 15 aircraft in fiscal year 2019 and a maximum of 30 aircraft in FY2020, NAVAIR says. The modifications are designed to extend the fighter's airframe life from 6,000-9,000h, adding up to 10 years of service.

Boeing will also convert existing Block II Super Hornets to a new Block III configuration starting in the early 2020s. This conversion will include adding an enhanced network capability, a longer range thanks to internal conformal fuel tanks, an advanced cockpit system, reduced radar signature and an enhanced communication system. Such updates are designed to keep the type effective in combat until at least into the early 2030s.

Boeing was on 28 February contracted to perform work on an initial four aircraft by April 2020, under a contract valued at $73.2 million. The award to modify 45 additional aircraft was an expected follow-on, and is part of an upgrade programme expected to last a decade.

Boeing plans to modify between eight and 12 aircraft at its St Louis, Missouri site this year, before opening a second modification line in San Antonio, Texas, in 2019.

Flight Fleets Analyzer shows the USN has an active fleet of 541 F/A-18E/Fs. In addition to modifying its existing fleet, the service is buying 24 new Super Hornets for a sum of $1.8 billion in FY2018.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/navy-plans-to-modify-45-more-fa-18-super-hornets-in-447133/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/03/2018 | 09:10 uur
Iets meer info ;

Croatia to buy used F-16D jets from Israel for $500 million
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2018/03/28/croatia-to-buy-used-f-16d-jets-from-israel/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 29/03/2018 | 10:19 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 29/03/2018 | 09:03 uur
US Navy plans to modify 45 more Super Hornets 
(bestellingen van nieuwe SH en MLU/upgrade  BL III van bestaande SH ... de SH blijven nog wel ff doorvliegen. )
Idd... dit toont toch duidelijk aan dat de USN haar budget zo goed als het kan probeert te gebruiken en alsnog blijft inzetten op de SH.

Het nieuws over de mogelijke intenties van de USAF om het aantal in te kopen F-35A's eventueel drastisch te minderen maakt ook deel uit van haar strategie om druk uit te oefenen op LM om de prijs/instandhouding van dit toestel te laten zakken...

'Men' is er dus nog niet uit...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/03/2018 | 10:29 uur
In het F-35 verhaal is nog niet eens de aankoop het grootste struikelblok, dit is een 1 malig. De hoge onderhoudskosten is waar men nu de neus flink gestoten wordt en eigenlijk een dikke bloedneus oplopen in de jaarlijkse en totale exploitatie van de F-35.
En daarbij zijn nog steeds niet alle problemen opgelost, wat weer extra kosten geeft door update's en upgrade's van software en hardware, het toestelzelf. 
 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/03/2018 | 10:41 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 29/03/2018 | 10:19 uur
Idd... dit toont toch duidelijk aan dat de USN haar budget zo goed als het kan probeert te gebruiken en alsnog blijft inzetten op de SH.

Voor de korte tot middellange termijn zal de US Navy wel moeten. Er zijn geen grote Super Hornet orders meer en de legacy Hornets van de US Navy en USMC lopen ook op hun laatste benen. De inzet van beide types hebben de afgelopen 16 jaar er flink ingehakt. De onderhoudsafdelingen hebben een hoop werk om de CVW's gevuld te houden.

De Super Hornet SLEP doet mij overigens denken aan de jaren 70 Phantom II SLEP (F-4B naar F-4N en F-4J naar F-4S).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/03/2018 | 20:01 uur
Air Force aiming to lower F-35 sustainment costs to that of an F-16

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/03/29/air-force-aiming-to-lower-f-35-sustainment-costs-to-that-of-an-f-16/#.Wr0ptQfg85o.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/03/2018 | 12:57 uur
Boeing and Kuwait cement Super Hornet deal (https://www.defensenews.com/global/mideast-africa/2018/03/30/boeing-and-kuwait-cement-super-hornet-deal/)

DefenseNews
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Brandnetel op 03/04/2018 | 17:31 uur
Weet niet waar ik het anders moet plaatsen:

"Why America's Two Top Fighter Jets Can't Talk to Each Other"
bron: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-02/why-america-s-two-top-fighter-jets-can-t-talk-to-each-other

Vindt het wel raar dat ze niet met elkaar kunnen communiceren.... persoonlijk wist ik dit ook niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/04/2018 | 10:42 uur
Germany, France to move ahead on sixth-generation combat aircraft

http://www.defensenews.com/2018/04/06/germany-france-to-move-ahead-on-sixth-generation-combat-aircraft/#.WsiC_ZviK1s.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/04/2018 | 10:47 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/04/2018 | 10:42 uur
Germany, France to move ahead on sixth-generation combat aircraft


Het werd tijd en als alle goed gaat net op tijd om de Europese fighter industrie een bestaansrecht te geven.

Doelstelling in 2040 operationeel, kan Nederland mooi vanaf de zijlijn kijken of de geëvalueerde versie (mod II, tanche 2, C of hoe deze ook genoemd wordt) rond 2055-2060 een geschikte kist is voor de KLu.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/04/2018 | 12:10 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 07/04/2018 | 12:05 uur
Als het aan de huidige KLu licht zullen we tot 2080-2090 met de F35 doorvliegen, om daarna weer een Amerikaanse fighter te kunnen kopen.

Zou maar zo kunnen... al denk ik dat tegen die tijd een minimaal 60 jarige F35 ook geen deuk meer in een pakje boter slaat.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/04/2018 | 12:15 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 07/04/2018 | 12:14 uur
Nee, maar dat geld ook de voor de F16, die al een jaar of 15 geleden vervangen had moeten zijn. En toch vliegen ze liever door.

Mee eens.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/04/2018 | 12:23 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 07/04/2018 | 12:14 uur
Nee, maar dat geld ook de voor de F16, die al een jaar of 15 geleden vervangen had moeten zijn. En toch vliegen ze liever door.

:angel: Als we 15 jaar geleden een F15 variant hadden ingevoerd, 60+ exemplaren, dat was de KLu vast happy geweest.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/04/2018 | 12:32 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/04/2018 | 12:23 uur
:angel: Als we 15 jaar geleden een F15 variant hadden ingevoerd, 60+ exemplaren, dat was de KLu vast happy geweest.

Misschien wel. Andere andere kant werd wel naar een eenzitter gezocht.

Overigens ben ik wel benieuwd hoeveel uitbreidingsmogelijkheden de F-35A t.o.v. de F-16 heeft. We hebben nu het verschil tussen de F-16A van 1979 en de F-16AM van nu kunnen zien. Hoeveel zal de F-35A over 40 jaar meer kunnen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/04/2018 | 12:39 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 07/04/2018 | 12:32 uur
Misschien wel. Andere andere kant werd wel naar een eenzitter gezocht.


F15C variant.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 07/04/2018 | 15:59 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 07/04/2018 | 12:32 uur
Misschien wel. Andere andere kant werd wel naar een eenzitter gezocht.
Waarom wordt er altijd zo'n voorkeur gegeven aan eenzitters? Een tweede man kan toch best handig zijn af en toe bij dingen als SEAD, UAV controll en penetratie missies.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/04/2018 | 18:43 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 07/04/2018 | 15:59 uur
Waarom wordt er altijd zo'n voorkeur gegeven aan eenzitters? Een tweede man kan toch best handig zijn af en toe bij dingen als SEAD, UAV controll en penetratie missies.

Je exploitatiekosten lopen aardig op over een gebruiksduurperiode van minimaal 30 jaar, ik denk dat daar de schoen (ook) wringt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Robert2 op 07/04/2018 | 23:28 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 07/04/2018 | 15:59 uur
Waarom wordt er altijd zo'n voorkeur gegeven aan eenzitters? Een tweede man kan toch best handig zijn af en toe bij dingen als SEAD, UAV controll en penetratie missies.
Een fighter moet één vlieger hebben, niet twee.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/04/2018 | 23:53 uur
Citaat van: Robert2 op 07/04/2018 | 23:28 uur
Een fighter moet één vlieger hebben, niet twee.

Ik vond de F14 toch een échte fighter.. :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 08/04/2018 | 00:35 uur
Citaat van: Robert2 op 07/04/2018 | 23:28 uur
Een fighter moet één vlieger hebben, niet twee.

Kun je dan uitleggen waarom de  F16's van de IAF (Israeli Air Force) tweezitters F16's zijn? Juist om de piloot tijdens een combat missie te ontlasten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Robert2 op 08/04/2018 | 13:22 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 08/04/2018 | 00:35 uur
Kun je dan uitleggen waarom de  F16's van de IAF (Israeli Air Force) tweezitters F16's zijn? Juist om de piloot tijdens een combat missie te ontlasten.
Dit hebben meerdere vliegers aangegeven nadat ik ze het zelf heb gevraagd. Die waren daar heel duidelijk en stellig over. Twee motoren heeft wel de voorkeur volgens hun, maar twee vliegers in één kist absoluut niet. En met de F-35 zal automatisering een grotere rol spelen, wellicht dat daarom er ook helemaal geen tweezitters komen.

Het enige gemis aan tweezitters voor de KLu die ik mij voor kan stellen is dat van de F-35 tbv opleiden. Wat en waarom de Israëliërs doen moet je mij niet vragen, dat weet ik niet. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 08/04/2018 | 13:23 uur

1 piloot idd..
Anders is er geen ruimte meer voor hun ego,  bijna even zwaar als een leuke 500 ponder.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 08/04/2018 | 13:44 uur
Citaat van: Robert2 op 08/04/2018 | 13:22 uur
Dit hebben meerdere vliegers aangegeven nadat ik ze het zelf heb gevraagd. Die waren daar heel duidelijk en stellig over. Twee motoren heeft wel de voorkeur volgens hun, maar twee vliegers in één kist absoluut niet. En met de F-35 zal automatisering een grotere rol spelen, wellicht dat daarom er ook helemaal geen tweezitters komen.

Het enige gemis aan tweezitters voor de KLu die ik mij voor kan stellen is dat van de F-35 tbv opleiden. Wat en waarom de Israëliërs doen moet je mij niet vragen, dat weet ik niet.
De IDF heeft aangegeven een F-35 tweezitter te willen maar Lockheed Martin heeft dit tegen gehouden. Maar ik denk zelfs dat we in de toekomst de 2e man (of vrouw) die nu taken doet in de tweede stoel kunnen vervangen door iemand die op een ground control station (GCS) zit net zoals we nu gewend zijn bij UAV's. Als je kijkt naar pure mission managemant & weapons control functie voor de 2e man is dat prima op te lossen door een sat-com en vanaf een GCS als dat nodig moet zijn. Maar onze piloten zijn niet anders gewend dan alleen vliegen en dat maakt de piloten alleen beter dan dat je 1 iemand hebt die kan vliegen en de ander die mission management doet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 08/04/2018 | 16:34 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 08/04/2018 | 00:35 uur
Kun je dan uitleggen waarom de  F16's van de IAF (Israeli Air Force) tweezitters F16's zijn? Juist om de piloot tijdens een combat missie te ontlasten.
Tijdens de jaren 60 en 70 vormde de 2-zits F-4 Phantom de hoofdmoot van de US Air Force.  De Guy In the Back (GIB) was eerst ook als vlieger opgeleid, maar dat werkte niet.
Want de de GIB, of te wel de Weapon System Officer (WSO) of 'whizzo' kreeg zo geen "stick time" en speelde de tweede viool en deed dus zijn taken gedemotiveerd.
De WSO hield zich primair bezig met navigatie, die nam toen meer tijd in beslag.  En deed dienst als sensor operator,operator van de radio's en bediening van wapens zoals de AIM-7 Sparrow en AGM-65 Maverick.  Juiste omgang met dit soort geleide wapens vergde ook nog eens aardig wat tijd en vooral concentratie.
De F-4 cockpits waren echter niet ergonomisch en er gingen hierdoor kisten tijdens gevechten verloren.
Vele F-4 Vietnam veteranen geven wel aan dat een extra paar Mk.1 Eyeballs zeer welkom waren tijdens air-to-air en air-to-ground gevechten.
Maar het uitzicht vanuit de Phantom was zowel voor de vlieger als whizzo beroerd.

Toen kwam de F-15 Eagle.  Die is t.o.v. de F-4 Phantom veel gemakkelijker te vliegen / te manoeuvreren voor de vlieger.  Had net als de Mustang en F-86 Sabre een 'zeepbel' stuurhut kap met uitstekend uitzicht rondom.  En die stuurhut was eindelijk ergonomisch opgezet, dus werden nu wel de juiste schakelaars omgezet als het zweet door de bil naad van de vlieger gutst tijdens gevechten.  F-4 Phantom bemanningen waren tijdens missies ook veel tijd, sommigen vonden teveel tijd, kwijt aan onderlinge communicatie via de intercom.
Om dat goed te doen vereist veel training.  Laat nou net de USAF in de jaren 60 besluiten om het aantal "combat tours" te beperken tot twee.  Dus moesten veel vliegers die op tank en transport kisten zaten omgeschoold worden tot jachtvlieger.  Met als resultaat dat het merendeel van de USAF jachtvliegers te slecht, want te weinig tijd, waren omgeschoold.  En aan het eind van de vlieger opleidingen werden dit soort bemanningen ook niet tot de creme de la creme van het vlieger corps gerekend.

De IDF heeft een deel van haar F-16 vloot uitgerust met 2-zitters.  Heeft te maken met het uitgebreide (ELectronic INTel) sensoren pakket en de bijbehorende stand-off bewapening en het feit dat dit soort kisten vaak lange en de meest moeilijke missies vliegen in een doelwit-rijke regio.

De IDF is overigens nog steeds bezig met een F-35A twee-zitter, dat heeft LockMart niet tegen kunnen houden.
Nu kan je heel veel ondervangen door automatisering.  Zodat er in de een-zits F-22A Raptor en F-35 als het ware een "Pilot's Associate" in de centrale mission computer niet alleen heel veel flight / vlucht taken op zich neemt.  Maar ook de veel grotere sensor informatie stromen (t.o.v. vorige jachtvliegtuig generaties) niet meer apart aan de vlieger presenteert.  Maar deze virtuele whizzo selecteert en fuseert deze separate info in 1 groot omstandigheden overzicht aan de vlieger.

Mooi idee he.  Maar er zijn bijvoorbeeld Britse sensor operators in MPA's en ELINT / SIGINT kisten die niets moeten hebben van die voortschrijdende digitalisering en automatisering.  En hee we hebben hier ook een oud- PRTL / Pruttel bedienaar (A.J.) die net als die Britse "Senso's" liever een zoveel mogelijk analoog sensor scherm voor zich heeft want daar kan hij en zij meer informatie uithalen.  ;)
Onze F-16AM/BM's vliegen nu bijna standaard met een doelaanwijs pod.  Daarin zit een steeds scherper wordende infrarood camera.  Da's mooi, maar die beelden dienen net als de beelden uit bijvoorbeeld de vroegere Orpheus en MARS verkenningspod's geintepreteerd te worden.
Bij het vroegere verkenning 306 Squadron gebeurde dat door "photo intrepreters", tegenwoordig "image analyst" geheten.  Nu moet in eerste instantie die F-16 vlieger tijdens de missie ook die beelden proberen te interpreteren / analyseren.  En in de de F-35A komt daar nog eens een radar die ruwweg 2 a 3 keer meer bereik en / of veel meer resolutie biedt.  Een a la Thales Gatekeeper 360 graden rondom kijkend InfraRood camera systeem (Digital Aperture System) tot zijn beschikking heeft.
En aan boord van de F-35A, maar ook de Rafale, bevinden zich 360 graden rondom luisterende radar peil apparatuur.   Deze passieve sensors hebben een veel groter bereik en vooral mogelijkheden dan de huidige ALR-67 Radar Warning Receivers op het F-16 bul.
Veel meer sensors, met veel meer mogelijkheden dan in de vierde generatie jachtvliegtuigen. 

Werkt deze vierde generatie nog met air-to-ground wapens a la GBU-12. GBU-10 en GBU-49, die ongeveer een bereik hebben van 12,5 nm / 23 kilometer.
Dat werkt uitstekend tegen bijvoorbeeld haatbaarden die geen S-300, S-400 of Pantsir hebben.  Maar tegen opponenten die wel beschikken over deze wapens, werkt dat absoluut niet.  Dan moeten we compleet over gaan op stand-off lucht-grond wapens met een veel groter bereik.  Kijk niet raar op als op stand-off afstanden, ver buiten het bereik van de Mk.1 Eyeball, ook zwaardere Rules of Engagement worden gesteld, om geen blue-on-blue incidenten te krijgen.

Gaat de F-35 op een lange en moeilijke SEAD / DEAD (Surpression / Destruction Enemy Air Defensie.  Dan zou het zo maar kunnen dat die ver doorgevoerde automatisering juist te kort schiet en toch nog een WSO / whizzo benodigd is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 08/04/2018 | 16:45 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 08/04/2018 | 13:44 uur
De IDF heeft aangegeven een F-35 tweezitter te willen maar Lockheed Martin heeft dit tegen gehouden. Maar ik denk zelfs dat we in de toekomst de 2e man (of vrouw) die nu taken doet in de tweede stoel kunnen vervangen door iemand die op een ground control station (GCS) zit net zoals we nu gewend zijn bij UAV's. Als je kijkt naar pure mission managemant & weapons control functie voor de 2e man is dat prima op te lossen door een sat-com en vanaf een GCS als dat nodig moet zijn. Maar onze piloten zijn niet anders gewend dan alleen vliegen en dat maakt de piloten alleen beter dan dat je 1 iemand hebt die kan vliegen en de ander die mission management doet.
In de jaren 70 leerden we van onze intel diensten dat de Russische landstrijdkrachten de beschikking hadden over veel radio jammers (stoorzenders).
Missies vlieg je ten eerste in een 'twee-tje', of te wel een "pair", meestal in een 'viertje' (section).
Wat te doen als die radio stoorzenders je 'getokkel' tussen pair of section leaders en wing men plat leggen.  Hoe gaan we toch veilig en snel in een formatie manoeuvreren, als dat  'praat ijzer' het niet meer doet ?   Vliegers ontwikkelden procedures zodat ze toch veilig en snel in een formatie konden manoeuvreren zonder gebruik te maken van die radio.

Al dat 'getokkel' op de radio kan er ook voor zorgen dat je vijand jou kan opsporen, identificeren en volgen.  Die radio stilte / Emmision CONtrol ontnam hen die mogelijkheid ook nog eens.

Network Centric Warfare / Network Enabled Capabilities zijn mooi.  Maar we moeten altijd verdomd goed rekening houden met afluisteren en storen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/04/2018 | 09:22 uur
How stealthy is Boeing's new Super Hornet?

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/navy-league/2018/04/09/how-stealthy-is-boeings-new-super-hornet/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 09/04/2018 | 11:15 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 08/04/2018 | 16:34 uur

Mooi idee he.  Maar er zijn bijvoorbeeld Britse sensor operators in MPA's en ELINT / SIGINT kisten die niets moeten hebben van die voortschrijdende digitalisering en automatisering.  En hee we hebben hier ook een oud- PRTL / Pruttel bedienaar (A.J.) die net als die Britse "Senso's" liever een zoveel mogelijk analoog sensor scherm voor zich heeft want daar kan hij en zij meer informatie uithalen.  ;)

;D

Offtopic: Men is er tegenwoordig wel weer van overtuigd dat er vwb radar op zijn minst iets van een raw video mode (zeg maar het oude analoge beeld) ingebouwd moet gaan worden wat eventueel selecteerbaar wordt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/04/2018 | 09:00 uur
Israel offers upgraded F-16s to Colombia   (... IAF doet zijn F-16's in de sale .... )

Elbit Systems and Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) have offered to provide surplus Israeli Air Force's (IAF's) Lockheed Martin F-16A/B Netz and F-16C/D Barak fighters to Colombia, senior military sources have told Jane's .

The offer, which includes airframes that are held in storage and/or are soon to be retired, is aimed to fulfil a Colombian Air Force requirement for between 12 and 18 advanced combat aircraft to replace current IAI Kfirs.

According to Jane's sources, the Israeli consortia would put the F-16s through a service-life extension programme that would include replacement of structural parts and upgrades to the avionics and engine to bring the aircraft to a standard described as "close to Block 50".

http://www.janes.com/article/79110/israel-offers-upgraded-f-16s-to-colombia
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/04/2018 | 10:16 uur
Will Israeli Air Force Buy More F-15s Or F-35s; Intel May Tip Balance

The Israeli Air Force (IAF) may delay the acquisition of a third Lockheed Martin F-35 squadron in favor of a fast purchase of additional new versions of the F-15.

In recent deliberations within the IAF's high command, the leading direction was clear – -priority for the additional F-15's while delaying the purchase of a third F-35 squadron.

.../...

voor gehele artikel, zie onderstaande link
https://breakingdefense.com/2018/04/will-israeli-air-force-buy-more-f-15s-or-f-35s-intel-may-tip-balance/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/04/2018 | 09:29 uur
Exclusive: Pentagon stops accepting Lockheed F-35 jets over repair cost dispute  ( ... roest probleem bij bevestigingen van panelen..  leveringsstop F-35 ! )

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Department of Defense has stopped accepting most deliveries of F-35 jets from Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N) because of a dispute over who will cover costs for fixing a production error, three people familiar with the matter said.

Lockheed confirmed on Wednesday that the Pentagon had halted deliveries of the jet over a contractual issue, but did not give further details.

Last year, the Pentagon stopped accepting F-35s for 30 days after discovering corrosion where panels were fastened to the airframe, an issue that affected more than 200 of the stealthy jets. Once a fix had been devised, the deliveries resumed, and Lockheed hit its target aircraft delivery numbers for 2017.

But deliveries were paused again over a dispute as to who will pay for what will likely be a complex logistical fix that could require technicians to travel widely to mend aircraft based around the world, said the people, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the matter.

When the Pentagon stops taking delivery of F-35s, foreign customers can also be affected. So far at least two foreign governments have stopped accepting F-35s as a result of this issue, two of the sources said.

A Lockheed spokeswoman said on Wednesday: "Production on the F-35 program continues and we are confident we will meet our delivery target of 91 aircraft for 2018. While all work in our factories remains active, the F-35 Joint Program Office has temporarily suspended accepting aircraft until we reach an agreement on a contractual issue and we expect this to be resolved soon."

It was not clear when the suspension of deliveries began.

The Pentagon did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The fastening issue on the F-35 fleet was not affecting flights, nor was it a safety concern, the Pentagon said last year.

The delivery pause is the latest of several production issues that have arisen in the Pentagon's most expensive weapons program, and comes at a time when the administration of President Donald Trump has criticized the cost of the fighter.

In 2016, a fix for insulation problems in the fuel tanks and lines of the jets caused a slowdown in deliveries.

Shares of Lockheed erased a 2.7 percent gain on the day after Reuters reported the suspension. They closed flat at $339.44.

GOVERNMENT INSPECTION

At the heart of the dispute is the government's inspection of the planes during Lockheed's production, which failed to discover problems with the fastenings, the sources said. Because neither party caught the issue at the time each is pointing the finger at the other to pay for the fix.

Two jets were received by the Pentagon despite the suspension because of specific needs in the field, one of the people said.

During routine maintenance at Hill Air Force Base in Utah last year, the Air Force detected "corrosion exceeding technical limits," where the carbon fiber exterior panel is fastened to the aluminum airframe.

A lack of protective coating at the fastening point that would have prevented corrosion was identified as the primary problem, the Pentagon said at the time.

The F-35 business accounts for about a quarter of Lockheed's total revenue. During the third quarter, sales at Lockheed's aeronautics business increased 14 percent to $4.7 billion, led by higher sales of the F-35 and highlighting the program's importance to Lockheed's profitability.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-lockheed-f35-exclusive/exclusive-pentagon-stops-accepting-lockheed-f-35-jets-over-repair-cost-dispute-idUSKBN1HI304
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/04/2018 | 13:36 uur
meer info ;

Last year the Pentagon stopped accepting F-35s for a month after finding corrosion where the carbon fiber exterior panels of the plane were fastened to the airframe. The DOD and Lockheed Martin have found a fix to the corrosion problem, but are reportedly at an impasse over who should pay to fix the F-35s already stationed around the world.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pentagon-refuses-delivery-of-f-35s-over-repair-dispu-447615/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/04/2018 | 21:18 uur
F-35 Completes Most Comprehensive Flight Test Program In Aviation History
(https://www.f35.com/news/detail/f-35-completes-most-comprehensive-flight-test-program-in-aviation-history)
f35.com

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/04/2018 | 10:05 uur
Dassault wil leidende rol in nieuwe Europese fighter

https://www.upinthesky.nl/2018/04/13/dassault-wil-leidende-rol-in-nieuwe-europese-fighter/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 15/04/2018 | 14:48 uur
En ik wil een ferrari
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 15/04/2018 | 15:07 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/04/2018 | 10:05 uur
Dassault wil leidende rol in nieuwe Europese fighter

https://www.upinthesky.nl/2018/04/13/dassault-wil-leidende-rol-in-nieuwe-europese-fighter/
Dit is precies de reden waarom dit een zeer lastig project zal worden, de Franse industrie zal dominant zijn in het project. Daarom vind ik dat bij dit soort projecten er geen meerderheidsaandeel vergeven zou mogen worden. Elke partij zou evenveel te zeggen moeten krijgen, dat het werk wel anders verdeeld word is een ander verhaal.

Kijk naar Eurofighter GmbH :
- 46% Airbus Defence (Duitsland/Spanje)
- 33% BAE Systems (UK)
- 21% Leonardo (IT)

Of NHIndustries:
- 62,5 % Airbus helicopters (FRA) het voormalige Eurocopter
- 32% Leonardo helicopters (ITA) het voormalige Augusta Westland
- 5,5% Fokker Aerostructures (NL)

Het is duidelijk dat bij al deze projecten de grote jongens het voor het zeggen hebben en de kleinere partners braaf ja moeten knikken. Gezien de grote lobby in Frankrijk vanuit de defensie industrie zal deze bij elk project waar ze deelnemen dominant zijn, nu de samenwerking tussen Frankrijk en Italië ook steeds beter word en mogelijk in een later stadium naast marinebouw ook in de andere delen van de defensie industrie zal door vloeien voorzie ik dat dit soort gezamenlijke projecten steeds lastiger worden om voor de kleinere partnerlanden hun eigen inbreng in het systeem te krijgen.

Het eerst volgende project waar we dit zullen zien is het MALE 2020 project voor een nieuwe generatie UAV's ontwikkeld in Europa. Hier zien we 3 grote partijen die samen gaan werken Dassault, Airbus helicopters & Leonardo.

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 15/04/2018 | 14:48 uur
En ik wil een ferrari

+ 1
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 15/04/2018 | 16:23 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 15/04/2018 | 14:48 uur
En ik wil een ferrari
Had je moeten aanmonsteren bij de KLu.  De F-16AM/BM is de 'Ferrari van het luchtruim', maar voor de prijs van een Golf GTI.  ;)
En eind volgend jaar stappen ze over op de 'BMW 5 serie'.

Maaruh, ... weet je wat voor een 'auto' ik wil ?

Een 2CV beter bekend als "Lelijke Eend'.  Ik zag afgelopen vrijdag een vrachtauto vol met van die 2 CV tjes.
Tegen de mooie vrouw ernaast zei ik dat die Lelijke Eendjes nog echte auto's waren.
En nog verdomd praktisch ook.
De ontwerpers wilden een heel praktisch vervoermiddel, dus een zo technisch eenvoudig mogelijke automobiel, die te onderhouden en te repareren is met een zo minimaal mogelijk aantal standaard gereedschappen.   Het apparaat is ook een verfijnd ontwerp.  Want het karretje stamt nog uit een tijd dat onze samenlevingen veel meer agrarisch waren.
Dus moest de 2 CV zoveel mogelijk groenten, fruit of wat dan ook mee kunnen als maar mogelijk was.   Dus gingen de ontwerpers heel goed kijken naar de constructie, want die moest natuurlijk zo licht mogelijk blijven.  Ondanks het motortje van ca. 600 cc, moest die 2CV natuurlijk wel normaal meekunnen met het overige verkeer.

Vroeger hadden die Fransen de Mirage III.  Een Ferrari voor de prijs en het 'gewicht' van een Renault 5 GT'.  Dat werd natuurlijk een verkoop succes.
De Amerikanen hadden ook een 'dinky toy' in de aanbieding.  Maar deze kleine en fijne F-5 Freedom Fighter & F-5E Tiger kon net als de Mirage III als een horzel van zich afbijten.
Toen kwamen ze met de Mirage 2000.  Het 'formaat van een Renault Clio GT', maar een Ferrari qua prestaties en BNW 5 qua capaciteiten.
Maar het had daarom al in de jaren 90 een prijskaart van USD 39 miljoen.  Aanzienlijk duurder dan een grote concurrent, die net als de 2CV een verfijnd ontworpen casco heeft: de F-16 Fighting Falcon.  Een uitstekend jachtvliegtuig die Mirage 2000, maar met een te hoge prijs.  Werd dus niet zo een grote verkoop knaller.

Vervolgens komt daar de Rafale.  Een formaat van de BMW 3 serie of de duurste uitvoering van een Renault Megane.  Maar ook met de prestaties en 'toeters en bellen' van een BMW 5.  Ze douwden daar twee motoren in, maar de 1-motorige F-16 laat al decennia zien dat een 1-motorig vliegtuig veiliger kan zijn dan een 2-motorige kist.

Tijdens de Vietnam oorlog hadden Amerikaanse vliegers in hun grote F-4 Phantoms en F-105 Thunderchief's last van steelse / Low Observable MiG's.
WAT ? Dat kan niet, ik geloof dat niet !!!
Mwah,  de Mk.1 Eyeball speelt nog steeds een heel belangrijke rol.  Vooral in het luchtgevecht.  De Amerikaanse vliegers hadden veel moeite om die veel kleinere MiG-17's, MiG-19's  en MiG-21's op te sporen en vervolgens in het oog te blijven houden.  De MiG vliegers hadden de veel grotere Amerikaanse kisten veel eerder in het oog.
(Bij de F-4 Phantom werd men daarbij ook nog eens geholpen door dat beruchte rookspoor.)
Ze trainden toen nog op Similar Air Combat Traning (SACT), althans als er tijd voor was, SACT is een oefen wedstrijd tussen twee dezelfde types jachtvliegtuigen.
Na Vietnam ging men over of Dissimilar Air Combat Training (DACT).   De F-5, T-38 en A-4 Skyhawk "agressors" lijken niet alleen fysiek op de MiG-21, maar ook qua vlieg eigenschappen.
Ook tegen die compacte en kleine "agressors" gingen veel NAVO jachtvliegers op hun bek.  Want net als die kleine MiG's moeilijk op te sporen en te volgen.

Dus hou het lekker klein en compact: denk aan formaat Renault Twingo, VW Polo.  Noord-Amerika en Europa worden getroffen door de enorm veel muntjes kostende vergrijzing: maak het dus niet te duur, denk aan een prijskaartje van boven genoemde compacte auto's.
Donders !, we hebben een structureel tekort aan techneuten: maak hem dus gemakkelijk te repareren en te onderhouden.
Prestaties en vaardigheden ?  'Peper in het achterwerk', want we willen scheuren als in een Ferrari.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 18/04/2018 | 12:11 uur
CitaatDSA 2018: Indonesia considers pulling out of KFX/IFX project

The Indonesian government is contemplating withdrawing from the programme with South Korea to develop the next-generation Korean Fighter Xperiment/Indonesia Fighter Xperiment (KFX/IFX) aircraft, Jane's has learnt.

Speaking at the Defence Services Asia (DSA) 2018 exhibition in Kuala Lumpur Indonesian officials said that while the country's involvement is currently continuing, several key issues are causing debate over whether participation should be terminated.

These issues include finances, the degree to which Indonesia is gaining "strategic technical benefits", and what officials described as 'geopolitical factors'. Officials also indicated that Indonesia's future participation in the programme is likely to be determined by its senior leadership, including President Joko Widodo.

One Indonesian industry source said, "Actually, money is not the main issue even though there have been some issues with this. The main factors in this decision are the technical advantages that Indonesia can get through the programme and some geopolitical factors that the Indonesian government must consider."

In reference to these geopolitical factors, the industry source mentioned "Russia, the USA, South Korea". He did not elaborate but it is understood by Jane's that Indonesia's involvement in the project has been a source of concern in the US, a key supplier of KFX/IFX technologies, which is wary about the country's long-standing military-technical ties with Russia.

In January 2018 Indonesian defence officials stated in comments to local media that there is currently a shortfall of about IDR1.85 trillion (USD140 million) that needs to be paid to South Korea in return for its involvement in the KFX/IFX programme as per finance agreements signed in 2015. Jane's understands that Indonesia's repayments on the programme are behind by about 40% of its agreed financial commitment.

[Source: Janes @ Article (http://www.janes.com/article/79330/dsa-2018-indonesia-considers-pulling-out-of-kfx-ifx-project) ]

Wederom blijkt hier mee dat Indonesië geen betrouwbare partner is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/04/2018 | 17:36 uur
Onderwerp kan in meerdere topics..

Losing US air superiority risks ground forces

https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/04/18/losing-us-air-superiority-risks-ground-forces/#.WtdlX6EdqjQ.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/04/2018 | 11:59 uur
DOD reveals F-35 multiyear procurement strategy to start in 2021

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/dod-reveals-f-35-multiyear-procurement-strategy-to-s-447785/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/04/2018 | 07:40 uur
$8.63-billion advanced fighter aircraft project with Russia put on ice

http://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/8-63-billion-advanced-fighter-aircraft-project-with-russia-put-on-ice-118042000029_1.html#.Wtl9G-jE4f4.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/04/2018 | 14:47 uur
Lockheed Martin to offer Japan stealthy F-22 and F-35 hybrid jet

U.S. defense contractor Lockheed Martin Corp. plans to offer Japan a stealth fighter design based on its export-banned F-22 Raptor and advanced F-35 Lightning II aircraft, two sources said.

Lockheed has discussed the idea with Japanese defense ministry officials and will make a formal proposal in response to a Japanese request for information (RFI) after it receives permission from the U.S. government to offer the sensitive military technology, said the sources, who have direct knowledge of the proposal.

The decision on whether to release parts of the highly classified aircraft designs and software to help Japan stay ahead of Chinese advances will test U.S. President Donald Trump's promise to overhaul his country's arms export policy.

The proposed aircraft "would combine the F-22 and F-35 and could be superior to both of them," said one of the sources.

Japan, which is already buying the radar-evading F-35 to modernize its inventory, also wants to introduce a separate air superiority fighter in the decade starting 2030 to deter intrusions into its airspace by Chinese and Russian jets.

The country's air force currently flies the F-15J, based on the Boeing F-15; and the F-2, based on the Lockheed Martin F-16. Both designs are decades old.

Japan's ambition to build its own stealth fighter was in part spurred by Washington's refusal a decade ago to sell it the twin-engined F-22, which is still considered the world's best air superiority fighter.

Although the Japanese stealth aircraft program, dubbed the F-3, was conceived as a domestic effort estimated to cost around $40 billion (4.3 trillion yen), Tokyo has recently sought international collaboration in a bid to share the expense and gain access to technology it would otherwise have to develop from scratch.

Any aircraft built with international partners must have Japanese-designed engines and radar, however, and feature other components made locally, the other source said. Mitsubishi Heavy Industries tested a prototype stealth jet in 2016 that cost the Japanese government $350 million to develop.

"We are considering domestic development, joint development and the possibility of improving existing aircraft performance, but we have not yet come to any decision," a Defense Ministry spokesman said on Friday.

The Japanese government in March issued a third RFI for the F-3 to foreign defense companies and sent a separate document outlining its requirements in more detail to the British and United States governments.

In addition to a proposal from Lockheed, Japan is hoping for responses from Boeing Co., which makes the F/A-18 Super Hornet multirole fighter, and BAE Systems Plc, which is part of the consortium that built the Eurofighter Typhoon high-altitude interceptor.

"We look forward to exploring options for Japan's F-2 replacement fighter in cooperation with both the Japanese and U.S. governments. Our leadership and experience in 5th generation aircraft can be leveraged to cost-effectively provide capabilities to meet Japan's future security needs," a Lockheed Martin spokeswoman said.

Boeing and BAE did not immediately reply to requests for comment.

Japan's last jet fighter, the F-2, which entered service in 2000, was built jointly by Mitsubishi Heavy and Lockheed Martin. As Japan's leading fighter maker, MHI, which built the World War II-era A6M Zero, would anchor the Japanese portion of any new project.

http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201804200037.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/04/2018 | 10:49 uur
DSA 2018: Gripen in pole position after re-issuance of IAF fighter RFI | Jane's 360

http://www.janes.com/article/79454/dsa-2018-gripen-in-pole-position-after-re-issuance-of-iaf-fighter-rfi#.Wtr6zVkXTE4.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/04/2018 | 11:45 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 20/04/2018 | 14:47 uur
Lockheed Martin to offer Japan stealthy F-22 and F-35 hybrid jet


Interessant maar..... ik kan mij ook voorstellen dat het slimmer voor de Japanners is om te participeren in de Amerikaanse F/X (vermits toestemming) of eventueel, in fase 2, in het Duits-Franse initiatief.

Een Raptor 2.0 wordt vast een topper, maar zal ook niet voor 2035-40 operationeel kunnen zijn en rond die tijd zullen ook de Amerikaanse F/X en FA/XX en het Europese FCAS inzetbaar moeten zijn...

Bedenk dat een systeem keuze in principe mee zal moeten tot rond 2080 en zelfs 2100 komt voorzichtig in beeld.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/04/2018 | 13:22 uur
Finland seeks bids for €10bn fighter jet purchase | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi

https://yle.fi/uutiset/10173084
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/04/2018 | 13:23 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/04/2018 | 13:22 uur
Finland seeks bids for €10bn fighter jet purchase | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi


"French reports indicate it could replace both the Rafale and the current Eurofighter. However no new French-German Eurofighter is expected before 2035. Therefore it is unclear how the plan might affect Finland, which needs new aircraft by the middle of the next decade, says Raitasalo. There are also reports that Sweden's Saab might join a new Eurofighter project".
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/04/2018 | 13:29 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/04/2018 | 13:23 uur
There are also reports that Sweden's Saab might join a new Eurofighter project[/i]".

Zou een voorspelbare actie zijn, al zie ik liever dat Saab zich gaat richten op de doorontwikkeling van FS2020 naar (fictief) FS2040, bij voorkeur een één pitter, zodat we (Europa) vanaf/rond 2040 twee (eigen) capabele fighters hebben in de verhouding: F16:F15 - F35:F22 en Euro F/X:FS2040.

Indien Saab zich aansluit bij het Duits-Franse initiatief betekent dit vrijwel zeker het einde van de Zweedse autonome fighter industrie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/04/2018 | 16:29 uur
Airbus Manager Warns Federal Government Against Purchase of US Fighter Jets 

A leading Airbus manager has warned that the German federal government would snub France for its aircraft procurement.

Dirk Hoke, Chief Executive Officer of Airbus Defence and Space, has warned the German government against the purchase of Lockheed Martin's F-35 fighter aircraft. "As soon as Germany becomes an F-35 nation, cooperation on all combat aircraft issues with France will die," Hoke said in an interview with Welt Am Sonntag ahead of the ILA International Aerospace Exhibition which opens Wednesday in Berlin.

For the first time, the US combat aircraft will be presented as a possible successor to the German Tornado strike fighter. At the same time, however, further details are expected to be released on the development of a completely new fighter aircraft, which for the first time France and Germany want to jointly develop. The project was announced almost a year ago by French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel (CDU).

The future German-French fighter jet is to become a building block of an overall system called the Future Combat Air System comprising drones, missiles and reconnaissance satellites, and whose development costs are estimated at up to 80 billion euros.

"Both sides are ready to compromise"

Airbus manager Hoke sees a historic opportunity in the competition with France on the fighter jet. "Europe needs to define its sovereignty more clearly, and to clearly state that we need to maintain independence in defense and space," he stressed.

When it comes to exporting the fighter jets, Hoke hopes for common European standards, or at least for an agreement between the two countries not to block each other. That's the only way to be a reliable supplier. "Our business collapses when, for political reasons, we are perceived as an insecure partner," says Hoke.

On the question of the leadership of the billions project, Hoke pragmatically states: "Both sides are ready to find compromises and to accelerate topics." The project in itself is definitely more important than the leadership.

So far, the defense contractor Dassault is building the Rafale fighter jet in France, while Germany operates the Eurofighter, in whose construction and development Airbus is involved.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/192695/airbus-warns-berlin-against-f_35-buy.html

https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article175684639/Airbus-Ruestungschef-warnt-vor-Kauf-von-US-Kampfflugzeugen.html?wtrid=socialmedia.socialflow....socialflow_twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 23/04/2018 | 16:37 uur
Nou die samenwerking is dus gedoemd om te mislukken met dit soort uitlatingen van Franse zijde zijn de verhoudingen niet wat je kan noemen vriendschappelijk.
Eerder samenwerken uit noodzaak i.p.v. uit operationele redenen, het is wel een trend bij alle landen binnen de EU om voorzichtig toch ook de eigen industrie te beschermen tegen de grote Europese markt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/04/2018 | 16:48 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 23/04/2018 | 16:37 uur
Nou die samenwerking is dus gedoemd om te mislukken met dit soort uitlatingen van Franse zijde zijn de verhoudingen niet wat je kan noemen vriendschappelijk.
Eerder samenwerken uit noodzaak i.p.v. uit operationele redenen, het is wel een trend bij alle landen binnen de EU om voorzichtig toch ook de eigen industrie te beschermen tegen de grote Europese markt.

Deze uitspraken vallen in dezelfde categorie zoals we horen vanuit Duitsland omtrent de tender met de MKS180 fregatten.

Airbus man spreekt zijn voorkeur uit wat Duitsland moet kiezen, namelijk voor Airbus/Dassault samenwerking, dus voor werkgelegenheid binnen zijn eigen toko (bedrijf).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 23/04/2018 | 16:51 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 23/04/2018 | 16:48 uur
Deze uitspraken vallen in dezelfde categorie zoals we horen vanuit Duitsland omtrent de tender met de MKS180 fregatten.

Airbus man spreekt zijn voorkeur uit wat Duitsland moet kiezen, namelijk voor Airbus/Dassault samenwerking, dus voor werkgelegenheid binnen zijn eigen toko (bedrijf).

Deze uitspraken zijn toch wel wat harder dan we die zien bij MKS-180, daar werd voorgesteld om een deal te sluiten. Hier word gedreigd om het stop te zetten als er gekozen word voor de F-35.
Dat is in mijn ogen toch net een andere toon.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/04/2018 | 16:58 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 23/04/2018 | 16:51 uur
Deze uitspraken zijn toch wel wat harder dan we die zien bij MKS-180, daar werd voorgesteld om een deal te sluiten. Hier word gedreigd om het stop te zetten als er gekozen word voor de F-35.
Dat is in mijn ogen toch net een andere toon.

Nee, vind ik niet
Er zijn nu geluiden binnen Duitsland dat de MKS180 fregatten gewoon puur Duits moet zijn, dus alles binnen Duitsland houden.
Dus gewoon stoppen met EU aanbesteden en de opdracht aan de Duitse werven "geven"

Waardoor TKMS weer een kans geeft voor de opdracht, gezien dat dat een van de grootste werf is.
En wat ik denk is dat de lobby voor deze geluiden vanuit de TKMS groep komt en om de overige 2 kandidaten (en vooral Damen) in een negatief in de media te laten komen en hierdoor proberen buitenspel te zetten.     
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 23/04/2018 | 17:07 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 23/04/2018 | 16:29 uur

Dirk Hoke, Chief Executive Officer of Airbus Defence and Space, has warned the German government against the purchase of Lockheed Martin's F-35 fighter aircraft. "As soon as Germany becomes an F-35 nation, cooperation on all combat aircraft issues with France will die," Hoke said in an interview with Welt Am Sonntag.

Nou, doei! Doe je ze de groeten in La France?

Bouwen jullie trouwens ook achteruitkijkspiegels op de Rafale's van jullie? Zien jullie het front ook eens een keer.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 24/04/2018 | 12:34 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 23/04/2018 | 18:25 uur
Dirk Hoke is een Duitser.
En Airbus bouwt de Typhoon, de Rafale wordt gebouwd door Dassault.

Doet er niet toe, als ik het zo lees maakt het Dirk niet uit, Parijs of Berlijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/04/2018 | 08:10 uur
Germany, France agree main needs of new joint fighter program

https://reut.rs/2qVQSRa
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 25/04/2018 | 08:38 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 24/04/2018 | 18:32 uur
Gaat er meer om, sommigen lazen het als zijnde een Franse uitspraak, maar dat is het dus niet.

Frans kan evengoed uit een Duitse mond komen, ligt er maar net aan hoeveel stokbrood er in zn mond past.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/04/2018 | 16:15 uur
ILA 2018: Boeing pitches Growler to Germany

http://www.janes.com/article/79562/ila-2018-boeing-pitches-growler-to-germany
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/04/2018 | 18:02 uur
ILA 2018: MTU reveals next-generation fighter engine | Jane's 360

http://www.janes.com/article/79573/ila-2018-mtu-reveals-next-generation-fighter-engine#.WuCmj-jQhYo.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/04/2018 | 18:29 uur
ILA 2018: All industry bids for German Tornado-replacement submitted

http://www.janes.com/article/79599/ila-2018-all-industry-bids-for-german-tornado-replacement-submitted
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/04/2018 | 08:15 uur
Britain in the wilderness? We ask RUSI think-tank's Justin Bronk about the future of European combat aircraft

https://hushkit.net/2018/04/26/britain-in-the-wilderness-we-ask-rusi-think-tanks-justin-bronk-about-the-future-of-european-combat-aircraft/ via @wordpressdotcom
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/04/2018 | 10:10 uur
Finland invites bids to supply 64 fighter jets

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-finland-jets/finland-invites-bids-to-supply-64-fighter-jets-idUSKBN1HY27V
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 28/04/2018 | 18:14 uur
Ben heel erg benieuwd wat het gaat worden bij de Finnen, Grippen en SH maken hier veel kans denk ik.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/04/2018 | 18:19 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 28/04/2018 | 18:14 uur
Ben heel erg benieuwd wat het gaat worden bij de Finnen, Grippen en SH maken hier veel kans denk ik.

De Finnen hebben ook veel interesse voor de F-35A. Voor de vervanging wordt in ieder geval een behoorlijk budget gesteld.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 28/04/2018 | 18:23 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 28/04/2018 | 18:19 uur
De Finnen hebben ook veel interesse voor de F-35A. Voor de vervanging wordt in ieder geval een behoorlijk budget gesteld.
Het is in ieder geval niet een competitie waarbij de keuze eigenlijk van tevoren al op de F-35 vast staat zoals bij andere Europese luchtmachten. Dat maakt het wel interessant. Waarom hebben de Finnen niet een offerte voor de F-35C aangevraagd?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/04/2018 | 18:25 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 28/04/2018 | 18:19 uur
De Finnen hebben ook veel interesse voor de F-35A. Voor de vervanging wordt in ieder geval een behoorlijk budget gesteld.

Ik gok op 2 serieuze kandidaten, de F35A en de Gripen E/F, voor alle andere modellen is inmiddels een (voorzichtig) begin gemaakt met een opvolger.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/04/2018 | 18:39 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 28/04/2018 | 18:23 uur
Waarom hebben de Finnen niet een offerte voor de F-35C aangevraagd?

Voor Finland biedt de F-35C niet veel meer t.o.v. de F-35A. Indertijd maakte de F-16C/D een goede kans, maar was het bod van General Dynamics niet je van het.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 29/04/2018 | 15:06 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 28/04/2018 | 18:19 uur
De Finnen hebben ook veel interesse voor de F-35A. Voor de vervanging wordt in ieder geval een behoorlijk budget gesteld.
Inderdaad, een realistisch budget voor dit aantal toestellen.

En als ik zo'n artikel lees, schaam ik mij toch weer voor de halsstarrige, gierige, onbetrouwbare houding richting NAVO-partners, weg lopen voor verantwoordelijkheden van zowel Belgische als Nederlandse regering.
GDP van Finland is de helft van België, ongeveer 1/3 van NL, maar de Finnen zijn wel bereid om €7-10 miljard uit te geven aan nieuwe toestellen. Hier hebben we 20 jaar geluld over €4,5 mld, in België begint het gezeur nu pas en willen sommige partijen zelf zich er onderuit wurmen en weglopen voor hun verantwoordelijkheid.

Den Haag zou zich moeten schamen dat wij niet bereid zijn om geld uit te geven voor 65 F-35's en België een 40 tal, terwijl een Finland het wel doet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 01/05/2018 | 11:20 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 29/04/2018 | 15:06 uur
Inderdaad, een realistisch budget voor dit aantal toestellen.

En als ik zo'n artikel lees, schaam ik mij toch weer voor de halsstarrige, gierige, onbetrouwbare houding richting NAVO-partners, weg lopen voor verantwoordelijkheden van zowel Belgische als Nederlandse regering.
GDP van Finland is de helft van België, ongeveer 1/3 van NL, maar de Finnen zijn wel bereid om €7-10 miljard uit te geven aan nieuwe toestellen. Hier hebben we 20 jaar geluld over €4,5 mld, in België begint het gezeur nu pas en willen sommige partijen zelf zich er onderuit wurmen en weglopen voor hun verantwoordelijkheid.

Den Haag zou zich moeten schamen dat wij niet bereid zijn om geld uit te geven voor 65 F-35's en België een 40 tal, terwijl een Finland het wel doet.


Nederland

Geografische ligging t.o.v verwachte dreiging: Gunstig, temidden bondgenootschap
Buurlanden : België, Duitsland
Bondgenootschap : NAVO

Belgie

Geografische ligging t.o.v verwachte dreiging: Gunstig temidden bondgenootschap
Buurlanden: Nederland, Frankrijk, Luxemburg, Duitsland
Bondgesnootschap: NAVO


Finland

Geografische ligging t.o.v verwachte dreiging: ongunstig, direct grenzend aan en korte afstanden met
Buurlanden: Zweden, Noorwegen, Rusland ( praktisch allen geen Navo )
Bondgenootschap: geen



Asjeblieft.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/05/2018 | 23:29 uur
Turkey's fighter jet program races ahead as Russian firm reveals interest

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/techwatch/2018/05/02/turkeys-fighter-jet-program-races-ahead-as-russian-firm-reveals-interest/#.WuotpaJKaJg.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/05/2018 | 07:31 uur
België - Britten zetten Eurofighter in de verf: "Er zijn maar twee kandidaten voor vervanging F-16's", en Fran...

https://www.hln.be/nieuws/binnenland/britten-zetten-eurofighter-in-de-verf-er-zijn-maar-twee-kandidaten-voor-vervanging-f-16-s-en-frankrijk-is-daar-niet-bij~aebda4f0/ via @HLN_BE
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/05/2018 | 10:09 uur
Lockheed resumes F-35 jet deliveries to Pentagon

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-lockheed-f35-exclusive/lockheed-resumes-f-35-jet-deliveries-to-pentagon-idUSKBN1I827Q
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/05/2018 | 10:59 uur
Close-up photos of Russia's new 'stealth' jet reveal its true purpose — and it's a big threat to the US

https://www.businessinsider.nl/russian-su-57-stealth-jet-photos-reveal-its-a-threat-to-f-22-f-35-2018-5/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 10/05/2018 | 14:29 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/05/2018 | 10:59 uur
Close-up photos of Russia's new 'stealth' jet reveal its true purpose — and it's a big threat to the US

https://www.businessinsider.nl/russian-su-57-stealth-jet-photos-reveal-its-a-threat-to-f-22-f-35-2018-5/

Dát is Ruslands trots? Nieuwste creatie? Wat een pauperding.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/05/2018 | 16:01 uur
Israel to link fleet upgrade with follow-on F-15I buy

Israel has proposed a deal to purchase additional Boeing F-15s, in a package that would also include upgrading the Israeli air force's existing I-model examples of the strike aircraft.

Worth almost $4 billion, the potential purchase would include 25 twin-engined F-15Is in an advanced configuration. The new version's airframe would have an extended lifespan and enhanced features including a large-area cockpit display.

The purchase of additional F-15s has recently gained priority for the Israeli air force's high command over ordering aircraft for a third squadron of Lockheed Martin F-35Is. The rationale for this decision is that while the F-35's stealth features are essential at the start of a conflict, the type will need be flown during later combat sorties in conjunction with assets capable of carrying a heavier weapons load.

Flight Fleets Analyzer records the Israeli air force as currently operating 25 F-15Is, aged between 18 and 20 years. These aircraft would be modified to the same enhanced standard as the proposed additional batch, if the deal goes ahead.

Sources indicate that a purchase is likely to advance around the mid-way point of a 10-year military spending package recently approved by the USA.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/israel-to-link-fleet-upgrade-with-follow-on-f-15i-bu-448646/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/05/2018 | 09:26 uur
Saab bullish on Gripen sales prospects

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/saab-bullish-on-gripen-sales-prospects-448693/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/05/2018 | 09:27 uur
Gripen E ready for weapons carriage trials

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/gripen-e-ready-for-weapons-carriage-trials-448691/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/05/2018 | 10:35 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 22/05/2018 | 10:17 uur
Het liefst wilde de RAAF 24 F-22's kopen maar dat kon toen niet. Wellicht kan men in de toekomst nog aansluiten bij de hybride F22/F35?

De huidige Australische plannen zijn om minimaal 72 x F-35A aan te schaffen. Deze vervangen 71 van de oorspronkelijke 75 Hornets. Daarna zal later in de jaren 20 worden gekeken of de 24 Super Hornets ook door de F-35A worden vervangen. Dit is iets waar de RAAF wel op rekent.

Het is maar afwachten hoe snel zo'n F-22/F-35 hybride zal komen. En zal zo'n hybride voor de RAAF echt nodig zijn?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 22/05/2018 | 10:42 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 22/05/2018 | 10:35 uur
De huidige Australische plannen zijn om minimaal 72 x F-35A aan te schaffen. Deze vervangen 71 van de oorspronkelijke 75 Hornets. Daarna zal later in de jaren 20 worden gekeken of de 24 Super Hornets ook door de F-35A worden vervangen. Dit is iets waar de RAAF wel op rekent.

Het is maar afwachten hoe snel zo'n F-22/F-35 hybride zal komen. En zal zo'n hybride voor de RAAF echt nodig zijn?

Ja dan hebben ze tenminste een goede vervanging voor de 24 F-111's.
Lees deze analyse even door.

http://www.ausairpower.net/pig.html

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/05/2018 | 10:51 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 22/05/2018 | 10:35 uur

Het is maar afwachten hoe snel zo'n F-22/F-35 hybride zal komen. En zal zo'n hybride voor de RAAF echt nodig zijn?

Zal ik dan de ik ben zunig kaart eens trekken..... als de F-22/F-35 hybride er al komt (het tenslotte slechts een aangeboden concept gedachte) reken dan op een aanschaf prijs van ver boven die van de F22A.

Willen ze toch zo iets, in het zelfde tijdsbestek, dan kan Down Under beter aansluiting zoeken bij de nieuw te verwachten Amerikaanse F/X of FA/XX.

Dit zelfde geldt m.i. voor de Japanners.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/05/2018 | 10:54 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 22/05/2018 | 10:42 uur
Ja dan hebben ze tenminste een goede vervanging voor de 24 F-111's.
Lees deze analyse even door.

http://www.ausairpower.net/pig.html

Die analyse kende ik al. Deze wordt nog regelmatig op f.16.net en andere fora besproken.

Hoewel de F-111C een behoorlijke wapenlast kon dragen, gaan zij toch voor een netwerk gerichte oplossing. Binnen plan Jericho zal de F-35A het belangrijkste jachtvliegtuig worden met de Growler als sterke ondersteuning.

De Super Hornet squadrons van vliegbasis Amberley zijn al blij dat zij nu wel voor de eigen escorte kunnen zorgen. Met de F-111C was alles puur air-to-ground/surface.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/05/2018 | 11:49 uur
Everything We Know (And Don't Know) About Israel Launching World's First Air Strikes Using The F-35 Stealth...

http://disq.us/t/32jymr5
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/05/2018 | 12:19 uur
Turkey's First F-35A Lightning II Stealth Aircraft Makes Maiden Flight

https://theaviationist.com/2018/05/11/turkeys-first-f-35a-lightning-ii-stealth-aircraft-makes-maiden-flight/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 22/05/2018 | 14:38 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 22/05/2018 | 12:19 uur
Turkey's First F-35A Lightning II Stealth Aircraft Makes Maiden Flight

https://theaviationist.com/2018/05/11/turkeys-first-f-35a-lightning-ii-stealth-aircraft-makes-maiden-flight/
Weet niet of ik er zo blij van moet worden dat vriend Erdogan hierover de beschikking krijgt. Maar goed als wij het ze niet geven zijn de Turken vuil genoeg om direct bij Poetin te bestellen zoals we al zien bij bvb het S-400 systeem.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 22/05/2018 | 14:58 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 22/05/2018 | 14:38 uur
Weet niet of ik er zo blij van moet worden dat vriend Erdogan hierover de beschikking krijgt. Maar goed als wij het ze niet geven zijn de Turken vuil genoeg om direct bij Poetin te bestellen zoals we al zien bij bvb het S-400 systeem.


Euh! Dus een goede bontgenoot moet het maar dulden dat ze geen wapens kunnen kopen bij hun bontgenoten, begrijp ik jouw goed?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/05/2018 | 15:18 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 22/05/2018 | 14:38 uur
Weet niet of ik er zo blij van moet worden dat vriend Erdogan hierover de beschikking krijgt. Maar goed als wij het ze niet geven zijn de Turken vuil genoeg om direct bij Poetin te bestellen zoals we al zien bij bvb het S-400 systeem.

Ben zelf ook geen liefhebber van het Erdogan regime, maar Turkije is wel een F-35 partnerland. Alleen Washington zou in het uiterste geval Turkije kunnen buitensluiten, maar die kans acht ik zeer klein.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 22/05/2018 | 20:01 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 22/05/2018 | 14:58 uur

Euh! Dus een goede bontgenoot moet het maar dulden dat ze geen wapens kunnen kopen bij hun bontgenoten, begrijp ik jouw goed?
Euhh, goede bondgenoot?

Als die bondgenoot van de Turken de rest van de NAVO tart en treitert lijkt het mij duidelijk dat je je dan als één blok achter je bondgenoten hoort te scharen en niet met de vijanden van je vrienden moet gaan heulen.
Puur en alleen omdat Turkije strategisch van belang is laten we Erdo zijn gang gaan. Buiten de ligging van Turkije heb je geen zak aan ze.

In niets kan Turkije zich meten met enig ander land uit de NAVO.
Niet in normen en waarden niet in politiek en niet op het gebied van mensenrechten, niets!

Oke, cijfermatig is Turkije een waardevolle bondgenoot.
Ik zie de Turken zich echter niet houden aan artikel 5 van het NAVO verdrag wanneer bijvoorbeeld de Baltische staten worden geannexeerd zoals de Russen ook bij  bijvoorbeeld de Krim en Zuid-Ossetië deden en nu nog steeds aan het doen zijn in delen van de Oekraïne.
Ook het getouwtrek t.o.v. Griekenland en Cyprus is een voorbeeld van onwil van de Turken om zich achter haar bondgenoten te scharen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 22/05/2018 | 20:46 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 22/05/2018 | 20:01 uur

Ik zie de Turken zich echter niet houden aan artikel 5 van het NAVO verdrag wanneer bijvoorbeeld de Baltische staten worden geannexeerd zoals de Russen ook bij  bijvoorbeeld de Krim en Zuid-Ossetië deden en nu nog steeds aan het doen zijn in delen van de Oekraïne.
Ook het getouwtrek t.o.v. Griekenland en Cyprus is een voorbeeld van onwil van de Turken om zich achter haar bondgenoten te scharen.

Als ik eerlijk moet zijn geloof ik dat Nederland en Duitsland zich ook niet aan artikel 5 zullen houden mocht Rusland Turkije aanvallen.
NAVO is al een hele tijd een dode mus.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 22/05/2018 | 21:24 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 22/05/2018 | 14:58 uur

Euh! Dus een goede bontgenoot moet het maar dulden dat ze geen wapens kunnen kopen bij hun bontgenoten, begrijp ik jouw goed?

Welke goede bondgenoot?
Je bedoelt die prettige bondgenoot die met zijn bondgenoten omgaat als stront aan je schoen bondgenoot...genaamd Turkije?

Die bondgenoot die de Amerikaanse basis ..van een bondgenoot eenkerig en agressief afsloot van de buitenwereld..of die prettige turkijr bondgenoot die de Duitsers die het land daar beschermden er praktisch uit te flikkeren..of bedoel je dat prettige bondgenootspelletje van turkije dat ze de boel op stelten komen zetten in mijn land, als stank voor dank terwijl we de boel daar weer maanden hebben helpen beveiligen.

Die prettige bondgenoot ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/05/2018 | 09:20 uur
HASC: F-35C lacks the range to strike enemy targets 

Navy's top-dollar stealth fighter may not go the distance

The Navy's newest fighter jet, the stealthy F-35C, may not have the range it needs to strike enemy targets, the House Armed Services Committee said in a new report, raising troubling questions about whether the multibillion-dollar program is already outpaced by threats.

And critics say the Navy fighter — part of the Joint Strike Fighter initiative, the most expensive weapons program in history — may actually have been out of date years ago.

The committee's conclusion, buried in the 606-page report on the fiscal 2019 defense authorization bill, is confirmation from lawmakers who support the jet program that the aircraft carrier-based version of the F-35 may not have enough effective range without refueling to function well in likely future wars.

"While the introduction of the F-35C will significantly expand stealth capabilities, the F-35C could require increased range to address necessary targets," the report states.

The reason, experts say, is that the aircraft carriers from which the F-35Cs would operate may be required to sail too far away from enemies to avoid their increasingly long-range missiles.

The committee does not want to stop buying F-35Cs, but instead wants to start also buying new sorts of warplanes.

"After billions of dollars have been spent on the F-35C, but before the first aircraft are ready to deploy, lawmakers are already looking at the next carrier-based aircraft," said Bryan Clark, a former Navy strategist now at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments.

Dan Grazier, of the Project on Government Oversight, said the House directive "highlights just how poorly conceived the Joint Strike Fighter program has been from the very beginning."

"The issue of anti-ship cruise missiles is not a new one," he said. "The complexity of the F-35 program has dragged out the design process to nearly 20 years, which means we are not keeping pace with emerging threats."

The F-35 program is developing and purchasing 2,456 jets in three different variants — the F-35C for the Navy, the F-35A for the Air Force and the F-35B for the Marine Corps — with allies expected to purchase hundreds more. The Navy will buy 273 F-35Cs for its carriers and another 67 for the Marine Corps, on top of the Marine Corps' own model, which takes off and lands vertically.

The cost to develop and build all three models is projected to reach $406.1 billion, with another estimated $1.1 trillion to operate them.

If the Navy has to sail its carriers in the neighborhood of 1,000 nautical miles away from increasingly long-range missiles, then its stealthy F-35Cs will have to be refueled by tanker aircraft that are not stealthy.

The F-35Cs have an effective range — known as a combat radius (or the distance from the carrier they can operate) — that is now projected as 670 nautical miles.

The refueling operations would expose the fighter jets and tankers to adversaries, defeating the value of the F-35C's radar-evading materials and sleek silhouette. Lt. Lauren Chatmas, a Navy spokeswoman, said the risk is "acceptable" because the refueling will occur far from enemy threats. But Clark maintains enemy fighters might still find U.S. aircraft even hundreds of miles out if any are not stealthy.

Alternatively, the Navy could operate its carriers — which have self-defense capabilities — closer to enemy territory or nearer to enemy warships and aircraft. But that would raise the risk to these floating cities, each of which typically carries more than 6,000 sailors and costs roughly $13 billion.

The Navy has already bought 28 of the jets and requested nine more for fiscal 2019. It won't deploy F-35Cs on a carrier until 2021.

But the likely inadequacy of the F-35C's combat radius should not surprise the Navy, experts say.

Approximately a decade ago, China finished developing its "carrier killer," the DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile, with a reported range of 780 nautical miles, though the People's Liberation Army is reportedly still perfecting the system for giving the missile targeting information.

The U.S. Tomahawk cruise missile has a range in excess of 1,000 nautical miles, and the Navy expects to field an anti-ship variant in four years. Given Chinese and Russian advances, and the fact that F-35s will fly for 60 years, the realistic prospect of adversaries' having the ability to hold carriers at risk from 1,000 nautical miles or more during the F-35's lifespan was foreseeable, critics say.

Already, China's CSS-5 anti-ship cruise missile can strike ships about 930 miles away, the Defense Intelligence Agency has testified.

And Russia has apparently deployed the air-launched Kinzhal hypersonic missile, which can reportedly travel distances of more than 1,000 nautical miles.

The House Armed Services Committee has been unstinting in funding the F-35, despite software snafus, oxygen shortages in the cockpits and ejection seats that can endanger pilots.

The House will vote this week to approve a defense bill that authorizes purchase of 77 more F-35s across the services.

The fact that the F-35C's limited radius may reduce its operational utility has received little public attention.

Radius is less of an issue for the Air Force because the service has long-range bombers and can reserve F-35As for shorter-range missions, Clark said. For the Marine Corps, the F-35B is a significant upgrade over the AV-8B Harriers now in the fleet.

The committee's report directs the Navy secretary to brief the Armed Services panels by January 2019 on options, including manned and unmanned aircraft that would "expand the strike range of a carrier air wing in a contested environment." That could include "developing a stealth tanker capability, improved engine technology or to develop and procure a strike capability that is purposely built to strike at increased range."

To some critics, the F-35C report language is a play by lawmakers to justify development of a new drone that might be built by many of the same contractors as the F-35. The F-35 program has contractors in almost every state and is ultimately assembled at Lockheed Martin's facility in Fort Worth, Texas, in the district of Republican Rep. Kay Granger, who chairs the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee.

"A new program would benefit pretty much the same members now unless a new prime contractor emerges," Grazier of the Project on Government Oversight said.

In fairness to the Navy, the service did envision the need for a longer-range fighter jet. But the effort collapsed.

In the 1980s, the Navy developed the A-12 Avenger II with a projected radius of about 800 nautical miles. The Pentagon killed that program in 1991 amid spiraling costs. Even that range might not have proved sufficient.

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/navy-s-top-dollar-stealth-fighter-may-not-go-the-distance-1.528359
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/05/2018 | 13:40 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 23/05/2018 | 13:19 uur
Maar de Amerikaanse Senaat heeft er geen verstand van, en hun rapporten moeten niet vertrouwd worden. De Aandeelhouders van LM, en de reclame folders, daar staat dat het genoeg is.

De US Navy weet dit al sinds het uit dienst nemen van de A-6E in 1996. De F-35C heeft niet die lange benen. Er zullen nog heel wat jaren overheen gaan voordat ze iets hebben zoals de in de kiem gesmoorde A-12 Avenger.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/05/2018 | 13:47 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/05/2018 | 13:40 uur
De US Navy weet dit al sinds het uit dienst nemen van de A-6E in 1996. De F-35C heeft niet die lange benen. Er zullen nog heel wat jaren overheen gaan voordat ze iets hebben zoals de in de kiem gesmoorde A-12 Avenger.

Vandaar de ontwikkeling van: MQ-25

Ik begrijp dat een van de eisen van FA/XX een aanzienlijk groter bereik zal zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/05/2018 | 13:58 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/05/2018 | 13:47 uur
Vandaar de ontwikkeling van: MQ-25

Ik begrijp dat een van de eisen van FA/XX een aanzienlijk groter bereik zal zijn.

De F-35C en de Super Hornets hebben inderdaad de MQ-25 nodig. Sowieso is een dedicated tanker beter dan een F/A-18E daarvoor te moeten opofferen.

Om de F/A-XX de A-6E te kunnen vervangen zijn een groot bereik en een flink draagvermogen nodig. Aan dat laatste voldoet de F-35C in ieder geval wel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/05/2018 | 14:01 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/05/2018 | 13:58 uur
Om de F/A-XX de A-6E te kunnen vervangen zijn een groot bereik en een flink draagvermogen nodig. Aan dat laatste voldoet de F-35C in ieder geval wel.

Ergens gelezen dat FA/XX wellicht (?) van het maatje F14 zal worden... afwachten maar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/05/2018 | 15:27 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/05/2018 | 13:58 uur
De F-35C en de Super Hornets hebben inderdaad de MQ-25 nodig. Sowieso is een dedicated tanker beter dan een F/A-18E daarvoor te moeten opofferen.

Om de F/A-XX de A-6E te kunnen vervangen zijn een groot bereik en een flink draagvermogen nodig. Aan dat laatste voldoet de F-35C in ieder geval wel.
En daarbij denkende dat de C-versie een groter bereik heeft dan de A en B.

Op papier heeft de F-35C een combat bereik van rond de 1110 km, ik weet niet met welke belading (alleen intern of met volle (ca. 7700 kg)) Interne brandstof 8900 kg, kruissnelheid (niet bekend) maar zal (denk ik) rond de 1100 km/uur liggen.
De A-6E had met een volle belading (8200kg) een bereik van meer dan 1600 km met interne brandstof van 7200 kg, kruissnelheid 760 km/uur
Bereik van de A-6E Intruder was wel veel meer met volle bewapening/belading, maar met veel lagere snelheid.
Je kunt je natuurlijk afvragen of een lage snelheid nog kan ? ... moet je juist snel ? of juist huisje boompje beestje vliegen ? ...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 24/05/2018 | 01:29 uur
CitaatEuropean MALE UAV flies under satellite control for first time

Leonardo and its partner Thales have conducted the first satellite-controlled flight of a European medium-altitude long-endurance (MALE)-class unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV).

The milestone, announced on 23 May, involved an unmanned Piaggio Aero P.1HH Hammerhead aircraft demonstrate the ability to be controlled using beyond line-of-sight (BLOS) ground-based radio coverage.

As noted by Leonardo, the Hammerhead's ground control station (GCS) linked up with the Athena-Fidus satellite, which is managed by Telespazio's Fucino Space Centre, to operate the aircraft, its onboard systems, and its sensors. The satellite link was also used to receive the data acquired in-flight.

The purpose of the test, which was carried out at Birgi airport in Trapani, Italy, was to evaluate the efficacy of the satellite technology for various dual-use applications under realistic conditions as part of the wider Demonstration of Satellites Enabling the Insertion of [remotely piloted air system] RPAS in Europe (DeSIRE) II research project that is led by Telespazio and jointly initiated by the European Space Agency (ESA) and European Defence Agency (EDA).

[Source: Janes.com @ article (http://www.janes.com/article/80266/european-male-uav-flies-under-satellite-control-for-first-time)]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 24/05/2018 | 21:16 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 23/05/2018 | 13:19 uur
Maar de Amerikaanse Senaat heeft er geen verstand van, en hun rapporten moeten niet vertrouwd worden. De Aandeelhouders van LM, en de reclame folders, daar staat dat het genoeg is.
U.S. Navy future fighter fleet mix proposals.

The Rise and Fall of Aircraft Carrier Air Power.  Een studie uit oktober 2015 van de denktank "Center for a New American Security" (CNAS), uitgevoerd door oud-US Navy personeel, die toen aan het congres is aangeboden.

Jaartal en schip                         gemiddeld bereik              aantal vliegtuigen                   gemiddelde nuttige lading   
1922, USS Langley                    259 km    ( 15)                           30    ( 35)                                     277 kg    (  5)

1930, USS Lexington                 478 km    ( 28)                           70    ( 82)                                     168 kg    (  3) 

1943, USS Essex                    1.404 km    ( 83)                           90    (106)                                    816 kg    ( 14)

1956, USS Forrestal                2.241 km    (133)                          46    ( 54)                                  2.051 kg    ( 35)

1986, USS Nimitz                   1.682 km    (100)                           85    (100)                                 5.797 kg    (100)

2006, USS Nimitz                     919 km     ( 55)                           62     ( 73)                                 5.461 kg    ( 94)

De US Navy leerde tijdens realistische oefeningen in de jaren 30 en met veel zweet, pijn en in bloed gedrenkte ervaringen in WO 2,
dat een gemaximaliseerde "mass" (aantallen); payload (nuttige lading) en vliegbereik cruciaal waren voor de effectiviteit, doelmatigheid en overlevingskansen van vliegdekschepen.
In de jaren 90 ging deze "reach" dramatisch achteruit door uitfasering van de A-6 Intruder.  En in het eerste decennium van deze eeuw liep deze nog verder terug door pensionering van de F-14 Tomcat en S-3 Viking.
Echter, aan de andere kant van de Pacific 'plas' ging men over tot invoering van de Dong Feng-21 ballistische raket met een bereik van 1.850 km.
Daarnaast zijn de Chinezen bezig met invoering van het J-20.  Daar is weinig over bekend, maar het zal vast geen gevechtsvliegtuig met een relatief kort bereik zijn.

Dus de US Navy heeft een uitdaging om deze dreiging te neutraliseren.
                                              Optie 1                             Optie 2                             Optie 3

gemiddeld bereik                      1.343 km  ( 80)                 1.461 km  ( 87)                 1.671 km  ( 99)

gemiddelde nuttige lading          3.830 kg   ( 66)                 7.221 kg   (125)                5.373 kg   ( 93)

aantal jaren om dit te bereiken       nooit                              15 jaar                             5 jaar

Luchtvloot samenstellingen op vliegdekschepen:

Optie 1:  6x EA-18G Growlers,   24x F-18E/F Super Hornets,   6x UCAV's,      20x F-35C's,          5x E-2D Hawkeye's = 61 kisten  (72 = index t.o.v. USS Nimitz, 1986)

Optie 2:  6x EA-18G Growlers,   36x F-18E/F Super Hornets,   6x UCAV's,      10x F-35C's,          5x E-2D Hawkeye's = 63 kisten.  (74)
                                                                                                                 
Optie 3:  6x EA-18G Growlers,   44x F-18E/F Super Hornets,   12x UCAV's,   4x K-UCAV's* ,        5x E-2D Hawkeye's = 71 kisten.   (84)
             
Dus in optie 3, nul 4,8 generatie F-35C's !  Dus de US Navy is dan van dat ongewilde weeskind af.
De bespaarde muntjes worden gestoken in verder ontwikkeling van de X-47B UCAV en het (*) K-UCAV, een onbemand tankvliegtuig.
Zodat de F-18E/F's geen tanker sorties hoeven te vliegen, want in 33 - 40 % van alle F-18E/F sorties wordt er alleen maar peut (af)getapt.
Bovenstaande optie 1 en 2 vallen binnen de US Navy begroting, bij optie 3 moet men deze iets verhogen.
Maar optie 3 werkt het snelst en meest doeltreffend en biedt een high / low mix tussen respectievelijk (K)-UCAV's en Super Hornets.

Het betreft hier een studie om de tacAir slagkracht van de U.S. navy te herstellen.

Vergelijken we optie 1 en 2 dan blijkt dat de U.S. Navy nu en in de toekomst 12 Super Hornets vervangen kunnen worden door hooguit 10 F-35C's.

Maar als in plaats van die 10 F-35C's, 12 nieuwbouw 'Super Bugs' worden aangeschaft dan neemt het gemiddeld bereik met bijna 9 % toe en de gemiddelde nuttige lading neemt toe met bijna 89 % !!!
Hier kun je een trade off van payload (nuttige lading) voor extra fuel (bereik) toepassen, dus je slagkracht is veel groter.
De KLu F-35A is dan wel goedkoper dan de F-35C, maar heeft ook een kleiner bereik, dus hier zullen de verschillen nog groter zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 25/05/2018 | 08:19 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 23/05/2018 | 13:19 uur
Maar de Amerikaanse Senaat heeft er geen verstand van, en hun rapporten moeten niet vertrouwd worden. De Aandeelhouders van LM, en de reclame folders, daar staat dat het genoeg is.

Senator John McCain heeft er als oud piloot wel verstand van.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 25/05/2018 | 09:14 uur
Zomaar iets anders nu de Israelies schijnbaar de F35A operationeel tijdens acties gebruiken kunnen de makers er nu het kaartje "combat proven " opplakken wat schijnbaar hedden te dage een pre is. ook zullen de makers en andere gebruikers dit met argusogen volgen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/05/2018 | 12:47 uur
Here Is Boeing's Master Plan For The F/A-18E/F Super Hornet's Future

The new Block III configuration is on track for the U.S. Navy, but some update options aren't included.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/21045/here-is-boeings-master-plan-for-the-f-a-18e-f-super-hornets-future?utm_source=RC+Defense+Morning+Recon&utm_campaign=401c21b415-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_05_24&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_694f73a8dc-401c21b415-85340453
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 25/05/2018 | 18:48 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 25/05/2018 | 08:19 uur
Senator John McCain heeft er als oud piloot wel verstand van.
Ik neem aan dat Thomassen sarcastisch was. ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/05/2018 | 11:35 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 25/05/2018 | 09:14 uur
Zomaar iets anders nu de Israelies schijnbaar de F35A operationeel tijdens acties gebruiken kunnen de makers er nu het kaartje "combat proven " opplakken wat schijnbaar hedden te dage een pre is. ook zullen de makers en andere gebruikers dit met argusogen volgen.

Lol.

LM en IDF AF zaten samen op de bank met popcorn in Tel Aviv tijdens de missie. Kun je gif op innemen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/05/2018 | 11:49 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 26/05/2018 | 11:35 uur
Lol.

LM en IDF AF zaten samen op de bank met popcorn in Tel Aviv tijdens de missie. Kun je gif op innemen.

Israël heeft wel een traditie voort te zetten. Zij gaven immers de F-15A en F-16A indertijd ook het predikaat combat proven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/05/2018 | 09:38 uur
Turkey May Buy Russian Su-57 Jets, If Delivery of F-35 Jets Suspended - Reports:

https://sputniknews.com/world/201805271064853249-turkey-jets-buy-russia-us/ via @SputnikInt
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/05/2018 | 10:37 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/05/2018 | 09:38 uur
Turkey May Buy Russian Su-57 Jets, If Delivery of F-35 Jets Suspended - Reports:


Klinkt als een inhoudsloos dreigement om een exit uit het F35 programma te voorkomen (uit een zeer twijfelachtige bron), maar toch....  :cute-smile:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 27/05/2018 | 10:42 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/05/2018 | 10:37 uur
Klinkt als een inhoudsloos dreigement om een exit uit het F35 programma te voorkomen (uit een zeer twijfelachtige bron), maar toch....  :cute-smile:
Als de Turken Su-57's willen kopen moeten ze dat vooral doen maar wel wetende dat er vanaf dan geen plek meer voor ze is binnen de NAVO.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 27/05/2018 | 10:59 uur
Dat zou uiteindelijke einde NAVO voor Turkije betekenen. Doen ze niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 27/05/2018 | 11:40 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 27/05/2018 | 10:59 uur
Dat zou uiteindelijke einde NAVO voor Turkije betekenen. Doen ze niet.

Opper fuhrer Erdo is er gek genoeg voor. Alles om aan de macht te blijven zal hij doen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/05/2018 | 12:01 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 27/05/2018 | 11:40 uur
Opper fuhrer Erdo is er gek genoeg voor. Alles om aan de macht te blijven zal hij doen.

Toch zal Erdogan ergens moeten inbinden en de VS kan het zich niet veroorloven om een F-35 partnerland kwijt te raken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/05/2018 | 12:08 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/05/2018 | 12:01 uur
Toch zal Erdogan ergens moeten inbinden en de VS kan het zich niet veroorloven om een F-35 partnerland kwijt te raken.

Die 100 kisten komt de VS ook wel weer te boven, die 100 eenheden in de planning worden wel herverdeel of toebedeeld aan additionele export klanten.

Dat de VS een pittige Turkse claim mag verwachten is dan weer een ander verhaal. Wat mij betref cancellen ze de Turkse opdracht (zolang Erdogan aan de macht is)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 27/05/2018 | 20:54 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 27/05/2018 | 10:59 uur
Dat zou uiteindelijke einde NAVO voor Turkije betekenen. Doen ze niet.
Dat zou inderdaad exit uit NAVO zijn voor de Turken.

Maar hoe slim is het van de Russen om dit wel te verkopen aan een NAVO land? Hoe snel zullen de Amerikanen dat toestel opwachten in Turkije om het te onderzoeken?
Zou hetzelfde zijn als de VS F-35's zou verkopen aan Wit-Rusland.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 27/05/2018 | 22:22 uur
Je hebt Su-57's en monkey model Su-57's en very monkey model Su-57's.

Idem dito voor F-35.

Turken stappen echt niet uit het JSF project en ook niet uit de NAVO.

Ook voor Erdogan geldt: kiest uw vijanden met mate.

De Grieken moeten zijn land totaal niet, de Arabieren moeten hen niet (Arabisch gezegde: De laatste daad van een Turk is een mes in je rug, maar dat vinden de Turken andersom ook !).  Ze liggen regelmatig overhoop met Iran.  En Turkije ligt nu niet bepaald goed in de NAVO landen.
En in eigen land is de Turkse bevolking tot op het bot verdeeld geraakt.   Velen in (West)-Europa denken dat Turkije = Erdogan, maar dat is absoluut niet waar.
Hij schreef niet voor niets vervroegde verkiezingen uit !
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 27/05/2018 | 22:43 uur
Ah! De Amerikanen zijn huiverig om de F-35 te leveren aan Turkije!
Niet dat Turkije de F-35 niet graag wilt en liever vliegt met Russische toestellen.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/389398-senate-panel-targets-turkeys-participation-in-f-35-program (http://thehill.com/policy/defense/389398-senate-panel-targets-turkeys-participation-in-f-35-program)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 27/05/2018 | 22:55 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 27/05/2018 | 22:43 uur
Ah! De Amerikanen zijn huiverig om de F-35 te leveren aan Turkije!
Niet dat Turkije de F-35 niet graag wilt en liever vliegt met Russische toestellen.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/389398-senate-panel-targets-turkeys-participation-in-f-35-program (http://thehill.com/policy/defense/389398-senate-panel-targets-turkeys-participation-in-f-35-program)

Israel raises concerns over F-35 jet delivery to Turkey - Haaretz

Israel is concerned about a deal to provide F-35 stealth fighter jets to Turkey and has been discussing with the United States delivering jets without performance-enhancing software, Hareetz reported on Sunday.

A senior Israeli defence official told Hareetz that says Israel would like to remain the only country in the Middle East with the F-35 in order to keep its military qualitative edge.

While Israel officially denies any negotiations with the United States over the deal regarding Turkey's purchase of F-35 planes, sources in Washington confirmed to Haaretz the talks between two countries centred around software developed by the Americans that allows the "upgrading" of F-35 capabilities.

The Israel Air Force is scheduled to receive the software that will improve the plane's performance in July, and Israel wants planes to be provided to Turkey without the software.

One F-35 fighter jet is slated to be delivered Turkey as of June, despite s bill was approved at the U.S. Congress on May 24, demanding the suspension of U.S. weapons sales to Turkey. Another bill sailed through a U.S. Senate committee targets Turkey and has provisions to suspend F-35 jets to Turkey.

The U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo during hearings at the U.S. Congress last week said he has not decided yet whether to deliver the jets to Turkey, a NATO ally. Pompeo said "the trend is wrong" in Turkey.

https://ahvalnews.com/us-turkey/israel-raises-concerns-over-f-35-jet-delivery-turkey-haaretz
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/05/2018 | 13:21 uur
US military costs is not just high salaries but bloated equipment costs 

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/05/us-military-costs-is-not-just-high-salaries-but-bloated-equipment-costs.html

The United States could consider "new build" F-16s or F/A-18E/F Super Hornets as a lower-cost alternative to JSF. Not all, however, see the F-16V as the solution. "This is two and half tons heavier at empty weight than the F-16A model [of 1975]," said Pierre Sprey, the former Pentagon analyst who helped create the F-16 by arguing for a lightweight fighter.
Sprey would prefer a stripped, lightweight, single-mission air-to-air version of the F-16 powered by the 32,000-pound thrust afterburning General Electric F110-GE-132 turbofan that is used on the current F-16E/F block 60 for the United Arab Emirates.


The F-16V (Viper) costs about US$35 million in 2017.
A single Air Force F-35A costs a whopping $148 million.


4 stuks F-16V voor 1 F-35A

Zou de VS dit overwegen ?   Homeland en low risk gebieden met (nieuwe) F-16 en high risk met F-35/F-22 ??
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/05/2018 | 13:53 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 29/05/2018 | 13:21 uur
US military costs is not just high salaries but bloated equipment costs 

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/05/us-military-costs-is-not-just-high-salaries-but-bloated-equipment-costs.html

The United States could consider "new build" F-16s or F/A-18E/F Super Hornets as a lower-cost alternative to JSF. Not all, however, see the F-16V as the solution. "This is two and half tons heavier at empty weight than the F-16A model [of 1975]," said Pierre Sprey, the former Pentagon analyst who helped create the F-16 by arguing for a lightweight fighter.
Sprey would prefer a stripped, lightweight, single-mission air-to-air version of the F-16 powered by the 32,000-pound thrust afterburning General Electric F110-GE-132 turbofan that is used on the current F-16E/F block 60 for the United Arab Emirates.


The F-16V (Viper) costs about US$35 million in 2017.
A single Air Force F-35A costs a whopping $148 million.


4 stuks F-16V voor 1 F-35A

Zou de VS dit overwegen ?   Homeland en low risk gebieden met (nieuwe) F-16 en high risk met F-35/F-22 ??

Voor uitsluitend home land defence heb je dan ook een prima oplossing, zeker als je de komende decennia ook nog eens de beschikking hebt over F15C en F22A.

Het zou wel beroerd uitpakken voor het totaal aantal F35's, immers elke nieuwe F16 en F18 gaat af van het totaal aantal van de F35 familie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/05/2018 | 13:59 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 29/05/2018 | 13:21 uur
US military costs is not just high salaries but bloated equipment costs 

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/05/us-military-costs-is-not-just-high-salaries-but-bloated-equipment-costs.html

....

The F-16V (Viper) costs about US$35 million in 2017.
A single Air Force F-35A costs a whopping $148 million.


4 stuks F-16V voor 1 F-35A

Zou de VS dit overwegen ?   Homeland en low risk gebieden met (nieuwe) F-16 en high risk met F-35/F-22 ??

Een aantal F-16C/D worden gemoderniseerd met misschien F-16V techniek. Echter blijven de F-16 eenheden multi-role. Naast de Air Force Reserve zijn inmiddels ook diverse Air National Guard eenheden aangewezen voor F-35A gebruik.

Zie onderstaande link v.w.b. Air National Guard
http://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1402425/af-selects-locations-for-next-two-air-national-guard-f-35-bases/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/06/2018 | 16:54 uur
Norwegian Updates on The Standup of Their F-35s

https://sldinfo.com/2018/06/norwegian-updates-on-the-standup-of-their-f-35s/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 06/06/2018 | 00:01 uur
Zucht, dit project is zo corrupt als Silvio Berlusconi. Alles om Lockheed Martin zoveel mogelijk winst te laten maken.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-05/key-f-35-defects-must-be-fixed-before-full-production-gao-says

CitaatThe Defense Department office that oversees the F-35 program was criticized by a government watchdog for its plans to delay fixing critical deficiencies on the fighter until after a decision to start full-rate production is made -- a move that won't come before October 2019.
CitaatOutput would peak at 105 aircraft in 2023 at an annual cost of $13.4 billion and stay at that rate for six years. That makes it imperative for the Pentagon to fix the deficiencies before a decision about production -- the most profitable phase for Lockheed -- is made, the report said.
CitaatHowever, in its rush to cross the finish line, the program has made some decisions that are likely to affect aircraft performance and reliability and maintainability for years to come."
Citaat"If reliability targets are not met, the military services and the taxpayer will have to settle for aircraft that are less reliable, more costly, and take longer to maintain," according to the GAO report. "Given that the program's long-term affordability is already in question, ensuring the aircraft is reliable by each variant's planned maturity is paramount."
CitaatOfficials expect the F-35 Program "to resolve all critical deficiencies prior to entering" combat testing "with either a fix," a service-approved work around "or a formal acceptance of the deficiency," he added
Citaatas of February, the number of open deficiencies had climbed to 995 with only 47 of 276 "must fix deficiencies" actually underway.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/06/2018 | 09:22 uur
Watchdog warns Pentagon to fix F-35 tech problems before full-rate production starts

The F-35 fighter jet is finally cruising toward the end of its development phase, but a congressional watchdog is warning the Defense Department not to move to full-rate production until it's certain it's resolved all critical technical issues.

The F-35 Joint Program Office intends to make a decision in October 2019 on whether to move to full-rate production, but had planned to defer certain critical technical deficiencies until after that time, the Government Accountability Office stated in a June 5 report.

That could make the program more expensive overall.

"In its rush to cross the finish line, the program has made some decisions that are likely to affect aircraft performance and reliability and maintainability for years to come. Specifically, the program office plans to resolve a number of critical deficiencies after full-rate production," it wrote. "Resolving these deficiencies outside of the developmental program may contribute to additional concurrency costs."

.../...

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/06/05/watchdog-group-to-pentagon-fix-f-35-tech-problems-before-full-rate-production-starts/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/06/2018 | 15:56 uur
Boeing Wins $862M US Navy Order for 18 F-18 Super Hornet Fighters

The Boeing F-18 Super Hornet has won a new lease on life thanks to the continuing problems with the Lockheed F-35 and President Trump's support; on Friday the US Navy awarded an order for 18 new-production Super Hornets.

The Boeing Co., St. Louis, Missouri, is awarded $862,249,233 for modification P00021 to a previously awarded fixed-price-incentive-firm target contract (N00019-17-C-0003) for the procurement of 15 F/A-18E and 3 F/A-18F Lot 42 full rate production aircraft for the Navy.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/193851/boeing-wins-%24862m-us-navy-order-for-18-f_18-super-hornet-fighters.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/06/2018 | 18:34 uur
Pentagon And Lockheed Martin Deliver 300th F-35 Aircraft

https://www.f35.com/news/detail/pentagon-and-lockheed-martin-deliver-300th-f-35-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 12/06/2018 | 19:02 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 11/06/2018 | 15:56 uur
Boeing Wins $862M US Navy Order for 18 F-18 Super Hornet Fighters

The Boeing F-18 Super Hornet has won a new lease on life thanks to the continuing problems with the Lockheed F-35 and President Trump's support; on Friday the US Navy awarded an order for 18 new-production Super Hornets.

The Boeing Co., St. Louis, Missouri, is awarded $862,249,233 for modification P00021 to a previously awarded fixed-price-incentive-firm target contract (N00019-17-C-0003) for the procurement of 15 F/A-18E and 3 F/A-18F Lot 42 full rate production aircraft for the Navy.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/193851/boeing-wins-%24862m-us-navy-order-for-18-f_18-super-hornet-fighters.html
Niet duur voor nieuwe Super Hornets?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/06/2018 | 10:46 uur
Navy Orders 18 F/A-18 Super Hornets

http://seapowermagazine.org/stories/20180611-Hornet.html

VFA-34 is het laatste US Navy F/A-18C Hornet squadron dat zal overgaan op de Super Hornet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/06/2018 | 11:59 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/06/2018 | 10:46 uur

VFA-34 is het laatste US Navy F/A-18C Hornet squadron dat zal overgaan op de Super Hornet.

De vraag is of dit een goede ontwikkeling is voor de F35 familie, immers elk nieuw toestel van een ander type gaat af van het totaal aantal F35's, in dit geval is het een min voor de F35C.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/06/2018 | 12:10 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/06/2018 | 11:59 uur
De vraag is of dit een goede ontwikkeling is voor de F35 familie, immers elk nieuw toestel van een ander type gaat af van het totaal aantal F35's, in dit geval is het een min voor de F35C.

Sommige Super Hornet squadrons leveren hun toestellen in voor de F-35C. Een voorbeeld is het eerste operationele F-35C squadron VFA-147 (In 1967 het eerste operationele A-7 squadron). Vergeet niet dat er een hoop Block I Super Hornets zijn of Block II met veel vlieguren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/06/2018 | 12:15 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/06/2018 | 12:10 uur
Sommige Super Hornet squadrons leveren hun toestellen in voor de F-35C. Een voorbeeld is het eerste operationele F-35C squadron VFA-147 (In 1967 het eerste operationele A-7 squadron). Vergeet niet dat er een hoop Block I Super Hornets zijn of Block II met veel vlieguren.

De intentie was/is om F18C/D te vervangen door F35B/C en de Super Hornet te vervangen door FA/XX, hier is ook de basis behoeftestelling van de Amerikanen op gebaseerd.

Additionele nieuwe kisten, of kisten waarvan de levensuur wordt verlengt tot rond of na 2040 gaan dus simpelweg af van het aantal F35.

Vanaf/rond 2035 doen zowel F/X als FA/XX haar intrede (als alles verloopt volgens huidige planning).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/06/2018 | 12:20 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/06/2018 | 12:15 uur
De intentie was/is om F18C/D te vervangen door F35B/C en de Super Hornet te vervangen door FA/XX

Intenties veranderen soms. De SLEP kosten voor legacy Hornet waren ook niet mals en er waren nog maar een handjevol USN squadrons daarvan over. De al wat oudere Super Hornets worden doorgeschoven. Block II kan naar Block III veranderen, maar dat is voor Block I teveel werk en/of niet mogelijk

Bij de USMC vliegen de legacy Hornets wel langer door.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/06/2018 | 12:28 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/06/2018 | 12:20 uur
Intenties veranderen soms. De SLEP kosten voor legacy Hornet waren ook niet mals en er waren nog maar een handjevol USN squadrons daarvan over. De al wat oudere Super Hornets worden doorgeschoven. Block II kan naar Block III veranderen, maar dat is voor Block I teveel werk en/of niet mogelijk

Bij de USMC vliegen de legacy Hornets wel langer door.

Zeker, kisten vliegen nu door tot de FA/XX (USN) en F/X (USAF) beschikbaar zijn, logica dicteert dat deze dan niet meer door de F35 familie zullen worden vervangen maar door een 6e generatie (what's in a name)oplossing.

Tenzij beide concepten veel later dan 2035/40 worden verwacht of dat één van beide of beide worden geannuleerd wat mij uitermate onwenselijk lijkt (in beide gevallen)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/06/2018 | 12:48 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/06/2018 | 12:20 uur
Bij de USMC vliegen de legacy Hornets wel langer door.

De inzetbaarheid is dan ook bedroeven net als het verhoogde aantal afschrijvingen door vredesverliezen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/06/2018 | 12:56 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/06/2018 | 12:28 uur
Zeker, kisten vliegen nu door tot de FA/XX (USN) en F/X (USAF) beschikbaar is, logica dicteert dat deze dan niet meer door de F35 familie zullen worden vervangen maar door een 6e generatie (what's in a name)oplossing.

En toch is het aantal van 260 x F-35C voor de US Navy verhoogt naar 273 stuks. De productie aantallen van de Super Hornet zijn ook niet bijster hoog.

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/06/2018 | 12:48 uur
De inzetbaarheid is dan ook bedroeven net als het verhoogde aantal afschrijvingen door vredesverliezen.

De USMC heeft de pech dat zij geen betere Hornets kunnen krijgen. VMFA-314 is overigens het eerste USMC Hornet squadron dat naar de F-35C overgaat.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 14/06/2018 | 09:24 uur
https://www.defensenews.com/smr/nato-priorities/2018/06/13/despite-some-opposition-us-on-course-to-deliver-f-35s-to-turkey-on-june-21/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/06/2018 | 09:34 uur
P&W proposes electric power boost from F-35 engine

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pw-proposes-electric-power-boost-from-f-35-engine-449423/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 14/06/2018 | 11:25 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 14/06/2018 | 09:24 uur
https://www.defensenews.com/smr/nato-priorities/2018/06/13/despite-some-opposition-us-on-course-to-deliver-f-35s-to-turkey-on-june-21/
Ik verwachtte al dat de US dit niet ging tegenhouden.
Zelfs met Erdogan zijn de VS de Turken liever rijk dan kwijt als "regionale strategische partner".
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 19/06/2018 | 00:44 uur
Enders warns governments about European fighter programme

Airbus Chief Executive Officer Tom Enders has cautioned that any attempt by the governments of the individual nations involved in the development of the ongoing European fighter programme to control the industrial input will hinder the progress of the project.

In an interview with Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung on 15 June, Enders claimed that while the companies behind the German-Franco development have come to an agreement on the respective parts they will play in the project, it will only be successful if sovereign interests from the governments do not override this progress.

"It will be a success if we don't let governments interfere with their demands for the use of specific suppliers and locations in certain countries.

[Source : Janes.com ]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2018 | 08:08 uur
US Senate blocks F35 sales to Turkey

https://www.ft.com/content/d3c7492c-7346-11e8-b6ad-3823e4384287?segmentid=acee4131-99c2-09d3-a635-873e61754ec6
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2018 | 08:12 uur
The Turkish fighter jet deal is stalled, and so is UK defence

https://www.ft.com/content/fd8f45ba-72de-11e8-aa31-31da4279a601
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 19/06/2018 | 08:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2018 | 08:08 uur
US Senate blocks F35 sales to Turkey

https://www.ft.com/content/d3c7492c-7346-11e8-b6ad-3823e4384287?segmentid=acee4131-99c2-09d3-a635-873e61754ec6

Ik ben erg benieuwd hoe hoog dit op gaat lopen ? ....

:hrmph:.... Gaat Ergodan nu de VS en Trump uitmaken voor Nazi-nazaten en Hitler II ?... 
Met vluchtelingen dreigen heeft niet veel zin naar de VS, misschien dat ze geen VS-vliegtuigen meer op hun vliegvelden wil hebben ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2018 | 08:54 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 19/06/2018 | 08:49 uur
Ik ben erg benieuwd hoe hoog dit op gaat lopen ? ....

:hrmph:.... Gaat Ergodan nu de VS en Trump uitmaken voor Nazi-nazaten en Hitler II ?... 
Met vluchtelingen dreigen heeft niet veel zin naar de VS, misschien dat ze geen VS-vliegtuigen meer op hun vliegvelden wil hebben ?

Stap 1 voor de VS lijkt mij, voor het geval dat dit nog niet gebeurt is, het verwijderen van US B-61 van een Turks veld. Daarnaast maar eens zien hoe heet de soep gegeten wordt.... al zou ik het niet vervelend vinden als van dit uitstel een afstel komt. (in ieder geval zolang Erdogan daar aan het roer staat).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 19/06/2018 | 14:43 uur
Dit moest er van komen.
Hopelijk het begin van een flinke tik op de Turkse vingertjes van ome Erdo en co.

Die lui horen niet in de NAVO thuis.
Dan nog liever de Saudi's.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 19/06/2018 | 14:53 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 19/06/2018 | 14:43 uur
Dit moest er van komen.
Hopelijk het begin van een flinke tik op de Turkse vingertjes van ome Erdo en co.

Die lui horen niet in de NAVO thuis.
Dan nog liever de Saudi's.

Zullen we afspreken dat alles met meer dan 30 % van het oppervlakte van het land bedekt in zand / woestijn of wat dan ook geen NAVO lid mag worden? Dus ook de Saudi's niet laat ze lekker spelen in hun zandbakken.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2018 | 15:01 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 19/06/2018 | 14:53 uur
Zullen we afspreken dat alles met meer dan 30 % van het oppervlakte van het land bedekt in zand / woestijn of wat dan ook geen NAVO lid mag worden? Dus ook de Saudi's niet laat ze lekker spelen in hun zandbakken.

Nu valt het buiten het verdragsgebied, maar ik zou geen bezwaar hebben tegen Australië  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 19/06/2018 | 15:03 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 19/06/2018 | 14:53 uur
Zullen we afspreken dat alles met meer dan 30 % van het oppervlakte van het land bedekt in zand / woestijn of wat dan ook geen NAVO lid mag worden? Dus ook de Saudi's niet laat ze lekker spelen in hun zandbakken.
Even googelen hoe Spanje er dan voor staat.....
Verder sta ik er volledig achter.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 19/06/2018 | 15:05 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2018 | 15:01 uur
Nu valt het buiten het verdragsgebied, maar ik zou geen bezwaar hebben tegen Australië  :angel:
Die zijn natuurlijk al verregaand partner.
Als volledig lid moet de naam wel even op de schop.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 19/06/2018 | 16:10 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2018 | 15:01 uur
Nu valt het buiten het verdragsgebied, maar ik zou geen bezwaar hebben tegen Australië  :angel:
Tjsa, zelfde waarden en normen en zou een fikse boost in capaciteit geven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 19/06/2018 | 16:14 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2018 | 15:01 uur
Nu valt het buiten het verdragsgebied, maar ik zou geen bezwaar hebben tegen Australië  :angel:

Daar zou ik ook zeker geen Nee tegen zeggen.


Citaat van: Zander op 19/06/2018 | 15:03 uur
Even googelen hoe Spanje er dan voor staat.....
Verder sta ik er volledig achter.

Dan mogen de Spanjaarden blijven  :heart: España
Je begrijpt heel goed wat ik bedoel met die ''eis''
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 19/06/2018 | 17:58 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2018 | 08:08 uur
US Senate blocks F35 sales to Turkey

https://www.ft.com/content/d3c7492c-7346-11e8-b6ad-3823e4384287?segmentid=acee4131-99c2-09d3-a635-873e61754ec6

Oja, ojee, joop
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 19/06/2018 | 20:47 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 19/06/2018 | 17:58 uur
Oja, ojee, joop

Dat is pech voor de Turken, nu moeten ze een mindere fighter jet kopen. De F35 is de enige 5th gen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 19/06/2018 | 21:27 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 19/06/2018 | 20:47 uur
Dat is pech voor de Turken, nu moeten ze een mindere fighter jet kopen. De F35 is de enige 5th gen.
Dat word de SU-57, krijgen ze waarschijnlijk gratiesh van ome Vladimir geleverd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 19/06/2018 | 21:56 uur
Die kunnen inderdaad goedkope Russische toestellen tegemoet zien.
Indien daar Russische leveringen komen gaat hun positie in de NAVO echt ter discussie staan vrees ik.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Brandnetel op 19/06/2018 | 22:04 uur
Zullen ze niet juist de S-400 deal terugdraaien om zo zicht te houden op de F35?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 19/06/2018 | 22:11 uur
Citaat van: Dragnadh op 19/06/2018 | 22:04 uur
Zullen ze niet juist de S-400 deal terugdraaien om zo zicht te houden op de F35?

Dat lijkt me een mogelijkheid.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2018 | 22:56 uur
Ook geplaatst in Leopard 3.

France, Germany kick off race for 'quantum leaps' in aircraft and tank tech

http://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2018/06/19/france-germany-kick-off-race-for-quantum-leaps-in-aircraft-and-tank-tech/#.Wylts8i9Kho.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/06/2018 | 08:28 uur
Turkey to get F-35 jets despite opposition from Congress @CNNPolitics

https://cnn.it/2tmaDlA
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/06/2018 | 10:50 uur
Turkish PM Says US Bill Blocking F-35 Sales 'Unfortunate'

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/194063/turkey-protests-as-us-senate-approves-ban-on-sale-of-f_35s.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 20/06/2018 | 12:02 uur
Eigenlijk heb ik best begrip voor de Chinezen en Turken. Beiden overtreden geen internationale wetten maar "sanctions" dat de VS oplegt.

Hier geld weer de recht van de sterkste, en de VS is krachtig genoeg om haar wil op te leggen. Als je maar sterk genoeg bent heb je recht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/06/2018 | 07:24 uur
Germany presses U.S. on potential Eurofighter nuclear role

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-military-fighter/germany-presses-u-s-on-potential-eurofighter-nuclear-role-idUKKBN1JG1K1
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 21/06/2018 | 07:41 uur
Dit is gewoon armoe troef.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 21/06/2018 | 08:06 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/06/2018 | 07:24 uur
Germany presses U.S. on potential Eurofighter nuclear role

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-military-fighter/germany-presses-u-s-on-potential-eurofighter-nuclear-role-idUKKBN1JG1K1
Als de Duitsers dat voor elkaar krijgen, dan willen de Britten dat ook wel.
En daarbij de need to buy  made in de USA is dan weg, dus .... helaas dat zal de VS denk ik niet toestaan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/06/2018 | 08:57 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 21/06/2018 | 08:06 uur
Als de Duitsers dat voor elkaar krijgen, dan willen de Britten dat ook wel.
En daarbij de need to buy  made in de USA is dan weg, dus .... helaas dat zal de VS denk ik niet toestaan.

Waarom Tornado wel?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/06/2018 | 09:33 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 21/06/2018 | 08:06 uur
Als de Duitsers dat voor elkaar krijgen, dan willen de Britten dat ook wel.

Waarom zouden de Britten dat willen? Zij hadden eigen tactische kernwapens en hebben nooit in hetzelfde rijtje landen met de B61 en daarvoor de B43 gezeten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/06/2018 | 17:24 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 21/06/2018 | 19:29 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 21/06/2018 | 17:24 uur


Echt, stelletje arrogante pleisters.
Alsof hij in Turkije is ontworpen en gemaakt, man eergisteren ging het hele feest nog niet door.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 21/06/2018 | 23:47 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 21/06/2018 | 19:29 uur
Echt, stelletje arrogante pleisters.
Alsof hij in Turkije is ontworpen en gemaakt, man eergisteren ging het hele feest nog niet door.

Ja,je weet, :big-smile:,"Arabieren" houden er nu eenmaal van om te laten zien dat ze de grootste plasser hebben,zelfs als er niks van hun zelf bij zit.De "Turkse"leonardo kwam ook nog over gevlogen. :dead:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/06/2018 | 08:36 uur
Germany's fighter jet race could start dropping bidders this summer

http://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2018/06/21/germanys-fighter-jet-race-could-start-dropping-bidders-this-summer/#.WyyYqcGctao.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/06/2018 | 08:49 uur
Lockheed Wins $1.1Bn Order for 16 Bahrain F-16V Fighters

Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas; and Lockheed Martin, Greenville, South Carolina, have been awarded a $1,124,545,002 fixed-price-incentive-firm contract for F-16 production.

This contract provides for the production of 16 F-16 V Block 70 aircraft.

Work will be performed in Greenville, South Carolina; and Fort Worth, Texas. The work is expected to be complete by Sept. 30, 2023.

This contract involves 100 percent foreign military sales (FMS) to the Kingdom of Bahrain. This award is the result of a sole-source acquisition. FMS funds in the amount of $551,027,050 are being obligated at the time of award.

Air Force Life Cycle Management Center, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, is the contracting activity (FA8615-18-C-6058).

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/194210/lockheed-wins-%241.1bn-order-for-16-bahrain-f_16v-fighters.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/06/2018 | 12:33 uur


Vanaf minuut 23 in bovenstaand filmpje: air superiority vanaf het begin gepland.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/06/2018 | 21:18 uur
Er zijn plannen voor de JAGM-F (Joint Air-to-Ground Missile for Fixed Wing Aircraft) als F-35 bewapening.

Zie o.a. pagina 13 in onderstaande link

http://www.dtic.mil/descriptivesum/Y2019/AirForce/stamped/U_0604602F_5_PB_2019.pdf

Meer info in post #404 in onderstaande link:

https://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?144464-2018-F-35-News-and-Discussion/page14
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/06/2018 | 18:29 uur
Decision on F-16 fighter jet replacement likely in next few months: Ng Eng Hen

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/decision-on-f-16-fighter-jet-replacement-likely-in-next-few-months-ng-eng-hen
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 01/07/2018 | 11:44 uur
Saab Gripen Seminar 2018.

http://saab-seminar.creo.se/180516/annual_gripen_seminar_2018
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/07/2018 | 19:37 uur
No decision on Turkey's future F-35 program, Pentagon says

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/07/02/no-decision-on-turkeys-future-f-35-program-pentagon-says/#.Wzpinx9AIyF.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 02/07/2018 | 19:57 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/07/2018 | 19:37 uur
No decision on Turkey's future F-35 program, Pentagon says

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/07/02/no-decision-on-turkeys-future-f-35-program-pentagon-says/#.Wzpinx9AIyF.twitter

Nou dat moet dan iemand ff die Turken nog gaan vertellen, denk ik.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/07/2018 | 20:22 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 02/07/2018 | 19:57 uur
Nou dat moet dan iemand ff die Turken nog gaan vertellen, denk ik.

With their F-35 program in limbo, Turkish pilots begin training in US

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-military/2018/07/02/no-decision-on-turkeys-future-f-35-program-pentagon-says/#.WzptOyvh48k.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/07/2018 | 10:24 uur
UK mulls sixth generation fighter project - Royal Aeronautical Society

https://www.aerosociety.com/news/uk-mulls-sixth-generation-fighter-project/#.WzsydgSmjLY.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/07/2018 | 07:24 uur
China's J-15 Carrier based fighters are Disasters, China starts work on new fighter

https://defenceupdate.in/chinas-j-15-carrier-based-fighters-are-disasters-china-starts-work-on-new-fighter/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/07/2018 | 08:24 uur
UK in talks with Sweden over next-generation fighter

https://www.ft.com/content/818c6b98-7fca-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/07/2018 | 08:28 uur
Spain offered 'observer status' on new European fighter jet

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-france-fighter-spain/spain-offered-observer-status-on-new-european-fighter-jet-idUSKBN1JU290
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/07/2018 | 09:50 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/07/2018 | 08:24 uur
UK in talks with Sweden over next-generation fighter


Interessante ontwikkelingen, op naar een 2e volgende generatie kist binnen Europa en als ze slim zijn, dan gaan ze voor een capabele één pitter, geen concurrent van FCAS maar complementair.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 05/07/2018 | 14:47 uur
Het werd ool wel tijd voor een Britse stap in die richting. Ik ben benieuwd of men door gaat borduren op de Gripen of dat er iets totaal nieuws komt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/07/2018 | 15:05 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 05/07/2018 | 14:47 uur
Het werd ool wel tijd voor een Britse stap in die richting. Ik ben benieuwd of men door gaat borduren op de Gripen of dat er iets totaal nieuws komt.

Het zou mooi zijn als de Zweden hun FS2020 weer uit de kast halen en hier een 2040 concept van maken (FS2020 was eigenlijk Saab's Lo/Stealth 1 pitter concept, bedoeld als opvolging voor de Gripen C)

Ik neem aan dat, indien ze hier iets mee doen, het een  nieuw concept wordt, de Gripen is nu wel uitgemolken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 05/07/2018 | 15:20 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/07/2018 | 15:05 uur
Het zou mooi zijn als de Zweden hun FS2020 weer uit de kast halen en hier een 2040 concept van maken (FS2020 was eigenlijk Saab's Lo/Stealth 1 pitter concept , bedoeld als opvolging voor de Gripen C)

Ik neem aan dat, indien ze hier iets mee doen, het een  nieuw concept wordt, de Gripen is nu wel uitgemolken.
Ja ,de gripen is wel op inderdaad tegen die tijd. Ik ga er vanuit dat ze de studies van het FS2020 project zeker gaan gebruiken voor een 2040 fighter anders is het zonde van het werk en kost een hoop geld om dat zomaar overnieuw te doen terwijl je het op de plank hebt liggen. De FS2020 had wel interessante items zoals de meerdere weaponbays. Misschien moet Nederland ook instappen  :angel: :silent: opzoek naar een goedkopere jet naast de F-35 en voor de industrie.

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhimg2.huanqiu.com%2Fattachment2010%2F2013%2F0912%2F20130912030213161.jpg&hash=0ac0ad61c2a194f20d1d72e0093f7d6bd313fa13)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/07/2018 | 15:33 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 05/07/2018 | 15:20 uur
Ja ,de gripen is wel op inderdaad tegen die tijd. Ik ga er vanuit dat ze de studies van het FS2020 project zeker gaan gebruiken voor een 2040 fighter anders is het zonde van het werk en kost een hoop geld om dat zomaar overnieuw te doen terwijl je het op de plank hebt liggen. De FS2020 had wel interessante items zoals de meerdere weaponbays. Misschien moet Nederland ook instappen  :angel: :silent: opzoek naar een goedkopere jet naast de F-35 en voor de industrie.

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhimg2.huanqiu.com%2Fattachment2010%2F2013%2F0912%2F20130912030213161.jpg&hash=0ac0ad61c2a194f20d1d72e0093f7d6bd313fa13)

Ik zou voorstander geweest zijn van de FS2020 als F16 vervanger voor de KLu, helaas was de Zweedse overheid niet bereidt serieus geld in de ontwikkeling te steken waardoor Saab eieren voor haar geld heeft gekozen (samen met de Zweedse overheid) en begonnen is met ontwikkeling van de Gripen E/F.

Wat mij betreft een gemiste kans en een foute beslissing gevoed door spreadsheet ridders.

Als de Engels-Zweedse plannen doorgaan dan weet je ook dat de Gripen E rond 2040 uitgerangeerd is. Gaan deze plannen niet door, dan zie ik Saab/Zweden zich aansluiten bij de FCAS landen (ook dan is de Gripen passé)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/07/2018 | 15:41 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 05/07/2018 | 15:20 uur
Misschien moet Nederland ook instappen  :angel: :silent: opzoek naar een goedkopere jet naast de F-35 en voor de industrie.


Goedkoop is een rekbaar begrip, de aanschafprijs van de Gripen E en de F35A naderen zich in rasse schreden. Het ligt niet in de lijn der verwachting dat FS2040? goedkoper zal zijn in aanschaf dan zijn voorganger al zouden exploitatiekosten veel goed kunnen maken.

Daarnaast... als het streef jaar 2040 is, dan moet de KLu het wel heel lang uithouden met haar (huidige) te magere aantal F35, ik verwacht in de defensienota 2020 (zoals het er nu uit ziet) een uitbreiding van dat bestand.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 05/07/2018 | 17:09 uur
UK holds discussions with Sweden over fighter collaboration

The UK and Sweden have conducted initial talks regarding collaboration on a future fighter aircraft.

This story broke this morning and has now been featured by many outlets however it was broken by the Financial Times this morning.

The organisation say that the MoD is looking to new aerospace partners after being left out of Franco-German programme. This isn' t new, last year BAE Systems and Turkish Aerospace Industries signed an agreement to collaborate on the first development phase of an indigenous fifth-generation fighter jet for the Turkish Air Force.

The planned aircraft, the 'TFX' is expected to be a twin-engine, fifth-generation Turkish 'aerial superiority fighter'. The aircraft is planned to replace F-16 in Turkush service. As far back as December 2015, Turkey had indicated that it intended to chose BAE Systems to assist with the design of the fighter.

It is understood that Rolls-Royce have offered Turkey EJ200 engine technology transfer and joint-development of a derivative for the TFX. Signing this agreement in Ankara in the presence of The Prime Ministers of Turkey and the United Kingdom, BAE Systems Chief Executive, Ian King, said:

"BAE Systems is a leader in designing, manufacturing and supporting fighter aircraft and is in an excellent position to contribute technical and engineering expertise and experience of managing complex projects to this key Turkish programme. The announcement signals an exciting next step in relations between both Turkey and the UK with the co-operation between BAE Systems and TAI paving the way for a deeper defence partnership. The agreement confirms ongoing collaborative work on the design and development of the aircraft."

At its peak hundreds of Turkish and UK engineers will collaborate on the TF-X programme helping to support collaboration on the skills, technology and technical expertise required to deliver the programme.

The news regarding Sweden comes as the UK is preparing to release its Combat Air Strategy. This strategy will examine the operational capability needed in the future and the skills and resource required to deliver it. The work will take new and emerging technology into account, as well as export potential, whilst testing British industry's ability to deliver our future requirements.

It is expected to be launched at the Farnborough Air Show.

Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson said:

"Since the birth of airpower, British industry has been crucial to maintaining our military's world-leading position. As we celebrate 100 years of the RAF protecting our skies, it is fitting that we create bold and ambitious plans to help our brave Armed Forces keep us safe in the face of intensifying threats. The Combat Air Strategy will bring together the best of British engineering, skill and design, and deliver a compelling vision for the future of air power."

Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Sir Stephen Hillier, said:

"It is especially fitting that we launch the Combat Air Strategy as our Royal Air Force marks its 100th anniversary. Combat Air capabilities have been at the heart of the RAF's capabilities throughout its history, and are constantly employed on operations across the world today.

This strategy will ensure that the RAF can continue to remain at the forefront of the high-end airpower technology and innovation we need to deal with future threats, working in close collaboration with UK industry and our international partners."

The UK is already a major player in the air sector which accounts for 85% of the Britain's defence export orders. The industry is made up of close to 2,500 companies, generating more than £33.5bn in turnover and employing more than 128,000 people – some 26,000 of them in highly skilled research, design and engineering jobs say the MoD.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-holds-discussions-with-sweden-over-fighter-collaboration/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/07/2018 | 08:49 uur
Watch France and Germany's next-generation stealth fighter, a 2-engine jet that looks like it'll outclass the F-35

https://www.businessinsider.nl/watch-france-and-germanys-next-generation-stealth-fighter-2018-7/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/07/2018 | 08:54 uur
Engine and electrical improvements will allow the F35 to add combat lasers in the mid-2020s – NextBigFuture.com

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/07/engine-and-electrical-improvements-will-allow-the-f35-to-add-combat-lasers-in-the-mid-2020s.html via @nextbigfuture
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/07/2018 | 19:36 uur
Italy says won't buy more F-35 fighter jets, may cut existing order

https://reut.rs/2J02o4a
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/07/2018 | 19:51 uur
Citaat van: Reuters op 06/07/2018 | 19:36 uur
Italy says won't buy more F-35 fighter jets, may cut existing order

https://reut.rs/2J02o4a

Klinkt toch anders dan onderstaand bericht van vorige week vrijdag.

Italy's new defense minister commits to F-35, butts heads with France

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2018/06/29/italys-new-defense-minister-commits-to-f-35-butts-heads-with-france/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 06/07/2018 | 19:54 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 06/07/2018 | 19:51 uur
Klinkt toch anders dan onderstaand bericht van vorige week vrijdag.

Italy's new defense minister commits to F-35, butts heads with France

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2018/06/29/italys-new-defense-minister-commits-to-f-35-butts-heads-with-france/

Nou mooi bericht , sluit die fabriek in Italië dan maar en verplaats die maar naar Woensdrecht :silent:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 06/07/2018 | 23:23 uur
fake news..................................
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/07/2018 | 09:30 uur
Een (bijna) onzichtbaar  gevechtsvliegtuig

https://www.schaatskrant.nl/een-bijna-onzichtbaar-gevechtsvliegtuig/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/07/2018 | 10:27 uur
Can Europe sustain more than one next-gen fighter?

http://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/farnborough/2018/07/06/can-europe-sustain-more-than-one-next-gen-fighter/#.W0B5NbDGo6w.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/07/2018 | 10:57 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/07/2018 | 10:27 uur
Can Europe sustain more than one next-gen fighter?

Niet 2 uit de zelfde categorie (zoals Rafale en Typhoon), wel ben ik voorstander van een zware/middelzware kist (2 motoren) en een lichte kist (1 motor) welke elkaar aanvullen.

In vergelijking: F15-F16 of Typhoon-Gripen.

Zou het alleen een zware/middelzware zware Europese kist worden dan zou men zich in kleine Europese landen na 2040 wel eens uit de markt kunnen prijzen of de luchtmacht van deze landen reduceren tot Oostenrijkse omvang. (wat wellicht ook prima is als dit aangevuld kan worden met drones in diverse rollen).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 07/07/2018 | 14:40 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 06/07/2018 | 19:51 uur
Klinkt toch anders dan onderstaand bericht van vorige week vrijdag.

Italy's new defense minister commits to F-35, butts heads with France

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2018/06/29/italys-new-defense-minister-commits-to-f-35-butts-heads-with-france/
Ach, toen de vorige regering aantrad onder leiding van Renzi, werd er ook een wild plan gelanceerd om de Italiaanse F-35A/B orders van 90 naar 45 te verlagen.
Dit zou dan een bezuiniging op korte termijn moeten opleveren van EUR 2,5 - 3 miljard.

Maar ... Italia was oorspronkelijk van plan om in totaal 131 F-35A/B's aan te schaffen.
Toen Italie deze behoefte terugschroefde naar 90 kisten, een reductie van 41 F-35's ( - 31,30 %), waren de JSF partnerlanden not amused.
Dat had een prijs: het toenmalige Alenia, nu Leonardo, is een "second source" leverancier voor F-35 vleugels.   En LockheedMartin besloot dus dan ook om het minimum beloofde aantal van 1.215 te produceren vleugel sets te verlagen naar 835 sets = - 31,28 %.
Italia heeft in de opzet van haar Final Assembly Check Out (FACO), een eind-assemblage lijn in Cameri, tot Mei 2017, maar liefst EUR 517 miljoen geïnvesteerd.
En deze FACO moet uiteindelijk EUR 795,6 miljoen gaan kosten.   Dit gaat dus pijn doen in de Italiaanse (staats) portemonnee, als er stevig gereduceerd wordt in het FACO werk.
Italie zou ook als "hub" (centrum) gaan dienen voor al het F-35 Maintenance, Repair & Overhaul (MRO) werk in geheel Europa.  Inclusief in Europa gestationeerde Amerikaanse F-35's.
Dat is niet meer het geval, een deel van dit MRO werk gaat nu naar het VK en Nederland.   
Het FACO en MRO zouden de Italianen meer dan 1.800 banen moeten opleveren, maar dat worden er nu meer dan 800.

De Renzi regering liet die reductie van 90 naar 45 F-35A/B's dan ook al snel vallen

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 07/07/2018 | 15:15 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/07/2018 | 10:57 uur
Niet 2 uit de zelfde categorie (zoals Rafale en Typhoon), wel ben ik voorstander van een zware/middelzware kist (2 motoren) en een lichte kist (1 motor) welke elkaar aanvullen.

In vergelijking: F15-F16 of Typhoon-Gripen.

Zou het alleen een zware/middelzware zware Europese kist worden dan zou men zich in kleine Europese landen na 2040 wel eens uit de markt kunnen prijzen of de luchtmacht van deze landen reduceren tot Oostenrijkse omvang. (wat wellicht ook prima is als dit aangevuld kan worden met drones in diverse rollen).
Eens waren de Europese luchtruimen gevuld met lichte, ca. 7,5 tons, F-104G Starfighters en Mirage III's.  De Duitsers wilde het '104' bul vervangen door een multi-functioneel, relatief lichte, relatief eenvoudige en dus goedkope jachtvliegtuig.   De Britten kwamen erbij, moesten hun Bucanneer vervangen, hun TSR.2 vervanger mislukte, dus drukten zij er hun agenda door in het Multi-Role Combat Aircraft-1975 (MRCA-75).
De resulterende Tornado werd: 2-zits, 2-motorig, zeer complex, zwaar en dus peperduur a DEM 80 (Duitse Marken)/ NLG 90 miljoen.
Terwijl onze F-16A/B slechts NLG 22 miljoen fly-way deed en NLG 40 miljoen als systeem-prijs, dus inclusief alle toebehoren en opleidingen, etcetera.

De Tornado werd geen eclatant succes.
De F-16A/B evolueerde van day - clear weather luchtgevechtsjager naar een succesvolle day / night F-16AM/BM swing role jachtbommenwerper.
Met de F-16I Sufa kan men vanaf Vlb. Leeuwarden zelfs Moskou bestoken met vrij-val bommen.
Het soort jachtvliegtuig wat de Duitsers juist voor ogen hadden als vervanger van het '104'.

Gezien de gevolgen van de Brexit, een Frankrijk dat de laatste decennia zijn BNP structureel kleiner zag worden, een Italia en Spanje die worstelen met grote schulden.
Is het niet reëel om een high / low mix vloot a la F-15 / F-16 of Typhoon / Gripen op te zetten in Europa.

Waar wel behoefte aan is: een Shturmovik 2.0, of een A-10D Thunderbolt 'III'.
Een goedkoop, zo eenvoudig mogelijk, dus niet duur aanvalsvliegtuig.  Eenvoudig te onderhouden en te repareren en die kan opereren van korte of onverharde banen op primitieve bare base's.  Uitgerust met 250 pond Small Diameter Bombs (SDB) en Brimstone 2's, beiden uitgerust met een gecombineerde millimeter golf radar & semi-active laser geleiding.  Kan deze 'Warthog 2.0' in all weather en dag en nacht en op stand-off afstanden van respectievelijk 65 - 117 km (SDB) en  40 - 60 km (Brimstone 2) doelen aangrijpen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/07/2018 | 15:23 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 07/07/2018 | 15:15 uur
Eens waren de Europese luchtruimen gevuld met lichte, ca. 7,5 tons, F-104G Starfighters en Mirage III's.  De Duitsers wilde het '104' bul vervangen door een multi-functioneel, relatief lichte, relatief eenvoudige en dus goedkope jachtvliegtuig.   De Britten kwamen erbij, moesten hun Bucanneer vervangen, hun TSR.2 vervanger mislukte, dus drukten zij er hun agenda door in het Multi-Role Combat Aircraft-1975 (MRCA-75).
De resulterende Tornado werd: 2-zits, 2-motorig, zeer complex, zwaar en dus peperduur a DEM 80 (Duitse Marken)/ NLG 90 miljoen.
Terwijl onze F-16A/B slechts NLG 22 miljoen fly-way deed en NLG 40 miljoen als systeem-prijs, dus inclusief alle toebehoren en opleidingen, etcetera.

De Tornado werd geen eclatant succes.
De F-16A/B evolueerde van day - clear weather luchtgevechtsjager naar een succesvolle day / night F-16AM/BM swing role jachtbommenwerper.
Met de F-16I Sufa kan men vanaf Vlb. Leeuwarden zelfs Moskou bestoken met vrij-val bommen.
Het soort jachtvliegtuig wat de Duitsers juist voor ogen hadden als vervanger van het '104'.

Waarom kocht West-Duitsland dan indertijd de F-4F Phantom II en moesten hun F-104G met de air-to-air taak zo snel het veld ruimen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/07/2018 | 15:47 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 07/07/2018 | 15:15 uur
Waar wel behoefte aan is: een Shturmovik 2.0, of een A-10D Thunderbolt 'III'.
Een goedkoop, zo eenvoudig mogelijk, dus niet duur aanvalsvliegtuig.  Eenvoudig te onderhouden en te repareren en die kan opereren van korte of onverharde banen op primitieve bare base's.  Uitgerust met 250 pond Small Diameter Bombs (SDB) en Brimstone 2's, beiden uitgerust met een gecombineerde millimeter golf radar & semi-active laser geleiding.  Kan deze 'Warthog 2.0' in all weather en dag en nacht en op stand-off afstanden van respectievelijk 65 - 117 km (SDB) en  40 - 60 km (Brimstone 2) doelen aangrijpen.

Als je in Europa slechts een dergelijk systeem ontwikkeld naast FCAS dan veroordeel je hoogstwaarschijnlijk de minder kapitaalkrachtige landen in Europa tot het shoppen buiten Europa voor hun "low end" jachtvliegtuigen.

Een goed(koop) aanvalsvliegtuig zoals de A10 is zeker een gemis in onze contreien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/07/2018 | 16:07 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/07/2018 | 15:47 uur
Een goed(koop) aanvalsvliegtuig zoals de A10 is zeker een gemis in onze contreien.

En dan te bedenken dat de A-10 in de jaren 70 al niet tot de goedkoopste behoorde. Italië heeft tenminste nog de AMX voor zolang het nog duurt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 07/07/2018 | 19:30 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/07/2018 | 15:47 uur
Als je in Europa slechts een dergelijk systeem ontwikkeld naast FCAS dan veroordeel je hoogstwaarschijnlijk de minder kapitaalkrachtige landen in Europa tot het shoppen buiten Europa voor hun "low end" jachtvliegtuigen.

Een goed(koop) aanvalsvliegtuig zoals de A10 is zeker een gemis in onze contreien.

Waarom? Voldoende tanks, artillerie en mortieren, klaar. CAS gaan wij echt niet meer fiksen met die shitload aan (V)SHORAD aan Russische zijde. Leuk voor Afghanistan en andere gebieden waar wij het luchtoverwicht hadden, dat was nauurlijk jarenlang de luxe positie waarin we zaten maar die tijd is echt voorbij.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/07/2018 | 20:22 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 07/07/2018 | 19:30 uur
Waarom? Voldoende tanks, artillerie en mortieren, klaar. CAS gaan wij echt niet meer fiksen met die shitload aan (V)SHORAD aan Russische zijde. Leuk voor Afghanistan en andere gebieden waar wij het luchtoverwicht hadden, dat was nauurlijk jarenlang de luxe positie waarin we zaten maar die tijd is echt voorbij.

Hier heb je ongetwijfeld een punt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 07/07/2018 | 22:34 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/07/2018 | 20:22 uur
Hier heb je ongetwijfeld een punt.

In de koude oorlog tijd waren ruime verliezen aan "onze zijde" ingecalculeerd. Maar ja, COIN werd de waarheid en we konden wel met wat minder toe.

Het heeft even tijd nodig om weer om te schakelen van "golden hour" gelul naar gewondennesten en een paar honderd doden per dag.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/07/2018 | 00:29 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 07/07/2018 | 22:34 uur
In de koude oorlog tijd waren ruime verliezen aan "onze zijde" ingecalculeerd. Maar ja, COIN werd de waarheid en we konden wel met wat minder toe.

Het heeft even tijd nodig om weer om te schakelen van "golden hour" gelul naar gewondennesten en een paar honderd doden per dag.

Ergens heb ik nog wel de gemiddelde koude oorlog overlevingsstatistieken in mijn hoofd, als ik me niet vergis dan kreeg ik op "mijn" fregat maximaal 24 uur... zouden alle inzetbare gevechtsvliegtuigen oostwaarts worden gestuurd waarbij ze bij vertrek al waren afgeschreven... op hoop van zegen... en de Landmacht, tja... hier waren de statistieken diep rood.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 08/07/2018 | 01:06 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/07/2018 | 00:29 uur
Ergens heb ik nog wel de gemiddelde koude oorlog overlevingsstatistieken in mijn hoofd, als ik me niet vergis dan kreeg ik op "mijn" fregat maximaal 24 uur... zouden alle inzetbare gevechtsvliegtuigen oostwaarts worden gestuurd waarbij ze bij vertrek al waren afgeschreven... op hoop van zegen... en de Landmacht, tja... hier waren de statistieken diep rood.
Serieus, waren de prognoses zo slecht, ook eind jaren '80, met al het materieel en de mankracht die we toen hadden?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/07/2018 | 01:10 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 08/07/2018 | 01:06 uur
Serieus, waren de prognoses zo slecht, ook eind jaren '80, met al het materieel en de mankracht die we toen hadden?

Daar werd je niet vrolijk van en alles op de Duitse laagvlakte in het geval van WWIII had vrijwel nihil kans.

Misschien dat iemand hier de getallen van toen nog ergens tevoorschijn weet te toveren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 08/07/2018 | 01:12 uur
Ligt eraan of het nucleair zou gaan. Dat is de onvoorspelbare kaart. Conventioneel moet je denken aan 10  - 50.000 slo's binnen een week aan Nederlandse kant.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 08/07/2018 | 01:59 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/07/2018 | 01:10 uur
Daar werd je niet vrolijk van en alles op de Duitse laagvlakte in het geval van WWIII had vrijwel nihil kans.

Misschien dat iemand hier de getallen van toen nog ergens tevoorschijn weet te toveren.

Ik had geloof ik 3 minuten in mijn pruttel... Ik zal eens zoeken of dat nog ergens te vinden is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/07/2018 | 10:40 uur
Swiss call for bids over fighter jets

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/next-step_swiss-call-for-bids-over-fighter-jets/44241880
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 08/07/2018 | 18:15 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 08/07/2018 | 01:12 uur
Ligt eraan of het nucleair zou gaan. Dat is de onvoorspelbare kaart. Conventioneel moet je denken aan 10  - 50.000 slo's binnen een week aan Nederlandse kant.

Citaat van: A.J. op 08/07/2018 | 01:59 uur
Ik had geloof ik 3 minuten in mijn pruttel... Ik zal eens zoeken of dat nog ergens te vinden is.
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/07/2018 | 01:10 uur
Daar werd je niet vrolijk van en alles op de Duitse laagvlakte in het geval van WWIII had vrijwel nihil kans.

Misschien dat iemand hier de getallen van toen nog ergens tevoorschijn weet te toveren.
Jezus, ik ben blij dat ik toen geen dienstplichtige was en dat de vlam niet in de pan is geslagen...   :dead:

En ik al die tijd maar denken dat we met de toenmalige aantallen wel een leuke deuk hadden kunnen slaan.  :neutral:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 08/07/2018 | 19:42 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 08/07/2018 | 18:15 uur
Jezus, ik ben blij dat ik toen geen dienstplichtige was en dat de vlam niet in de pan is geslagen...   :dead:

En ik al die tijd maar denken dat we met de toenmalige aantallen wel een leuke deuk hadden kunnen slaan.  :neutral:

Zeker 41 pabrig in Seedorf werd gewoon geacht het niet te overleven, de enige taak van die club was 48 uur het vertragend gevecht te voeren om zo iedereen de kans te geven (REFORGER) om de verdediging in te richten... 41 Pabrig was gewoon een disposable.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 08/07/2018 | 20:33 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 08/07/2018 | 01:59 uur
Ik had geloof ik 3 minuten in mijn pruttel... Ik zal eens zoeken of dat nog ergens te vinden is.

Specifiek voor SPAAG heb ik hier een site die beweert dat je gemiddelde overlevingstijd in 1990 58 hele seconden zou bedragen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 08/07/2018 | 21:12 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 07/07/2018 | 15:23 uur
Waarom kocht West-Duitsland dan indertijd de F-4F Phantom II en moesten hun F-104G met de air-to-air taak zo snel het veld ruimen?
De bedoeling was dat via het MRCA-75 project vanaf 1975 800 Tornado's zouden instromen bij de Luftwaffe.
Het MRCA-75 had echter last van vertraging en kostenoverschrijdingen en daarnaast ontstond er geen Multi Role Combat Aircraft.  Maar juist (door toedoen van de Britten) een aanvalsvliegtuig, die vooral geoptimaliseerd was voor missies op lage hoogten a la Buccaneer.   Uiteindelijk zouden er slechts 420 Tornado's naar de Luftwaffe gaan.
De Bundestag besliste in augustus 1971 dat dit ontstane gat zou worden opgevuld met 174 F-4F Phantom's, die vanaf circa september 1973 instroomden.
Deze F-4F's hadden initieel alleen een air-to-air taak met hun Vulcan kanon en Sidewinders.  Begin jaren tachtig werden de F-4F's opgewaardeerd, zodat ze ook als jacht-bommenwerpers konden dienen.

In 1971 kreeg de Luftwaffe al de eerste batch van 42 RF-4E's, tot 1982 onbewapende verkenners, om de kosten te drukken werden er 52 '104''s ingeruild.
Maar dit bleek een misrekening.  De F-4 had een tweede man nodig achterin, de zogenaamde KBO (Kampf beobachter, "gevechts-waarnemer"), en het toestel bleek complexer, dus liep het aantal manschappen op van 1.650 voor de F-104 Starfighter, naar 1.929 voor de Phantom.  De Luftwaffe kreeg uiteindelijk 88 RF-4E's.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 08/07/2018 | 21:18 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 08/07/2018 | 20:33 uur
Specifiek voor SPAAG heb ik hier een site die beweert dat je gemiddelde overlevingstijd in 1990 58 hele seconden zou bedragen.

Och, die twee minuten maken het verschil ook niet... ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 09/07/2018 | 00:09 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 08/07/2018 | 21:18 uur
Och, die twee minuten maken het verschil ook niet... ;D

Genoeg om 2 biertjes open te trekken als je snel bent.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/07/2018 | 08:36 uur
Swiss Issue RFQ for 30-40 Fighters   ( ik denk dat in deze tender de F-35 niet als winnaar uit de bus zal komen !  )

Air2030 – Issuance of RFQs to Government Agencies of Combat Aircraft Manufacturers

(Source: Swiss Ministry of Defence, Civil Protection & Sports; issued July 6, 2018)
(Unofficial English translation by Defense-Aerospace.com)


BERN ---The first Request For Quotations for the next fighter jets has been sent to the government agencies of the manufacturers. armasuisse expects offers in response by the end of January 2019.

On the basis of the requirements published by the DDPS on 23 March 2018, armasuisse, on July 6, 2018, sent the request for quotations for the next combat aircraft to the governmental agencies of the five manufacturers concerned:
-- Germany (Airbus Eurofighter),
-- France (Dassault Rafale),
-- Sweden (Saab Gripen E), and the
-- United States (Boeing F / A-18 Super Hornet, Lockheed-Martin F-35A).

After making contact with their government agency, manufacturers have the option to submit their offer to armasuisse until the end of January 2019.

Tenders must include the following information:

-- calculation of the number of aircraft required by the manufacturer to fulfill the missions of the Swiss Air Force (and in particular to fly four planes permanently for four weeks);

-- price for 40 and 30 aircraft, logistical costs and guided missiles included, as a basis for the subsequent determination of the required number;

-- information and proposals for cooperation between armed forces and procurement authorities;

-- indication as to the possibility of offsets and other compensation.

Evaluation and analysis of costs and effectiveness 

Then, the indications of the manufacturers will be analyzed in detail. To do this, the DDPS has defined a weighting of the four main evaluation criteria concerning the effectiveness of the system:
-- effectiveness (operational, endurance) 55%
-- product support (ease of maintenance, autonomous assistance) 25%
-- cooperation 10%
-- direct compensations (offsets) 10%

This weighting will also apply to the surface-to-air defense system (DSA) for which the request for tenders should be sent at the end of the summer.

This time, the comparison of candidates for the new combat aircraft and of the new ground-to-air defense system will be based, in addition to the overall effectiveness, on the acquisition and operating costs.

Next steps

From May to July 2019, fighter jets will undergo, one after the other, in-flight and ground tests in Payerne, after which a second request for proposals will be sent by armasuisse in November 2019, with responses expected by the end of May 2020.

The observations made during the flight and ground tests, as well as the evaluation of the initial quotations, will be included in this second request for proposal. It will ask manufacturers to submit their best possible offer for Switzerland.

The evaluation report will be drawn up from June to the end of 2020, and then submitted to the Federal Council at the same time as the surface-to-air defense system, in order to decide on the model.

Further information

Dossier Air2030 - Protection of airspace (www.ddps.ch/air2030) (in French)


(EDITOR'S NOTE:  This time around, Switzerland intends to buy both a new fleet of combat aircraft and new air-defense missiles for a combined value of 8 billion Swiss francs ($8.1 billion). It is the biggest arms procurement program in Swiss history.
The new fighter fleet is intended to replace the Northrop F-5E Tigers and Boeing F/A-18s Hornets which are scheduled to be retired by the mid-2020s.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/194571/swiss-issue-rfq-for-30_40-fighters.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/07/2018 | 08:38 uur
Italy Says Won't Buy More F-35 Fighter Jets, May Cut Existing Order

In a television interview broadcast on Friday, new Italian Defense Minister Elisabetta Trenta said that Italy would not buy any additional F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, and is assessing what to do about the contracts already signed.

ROME --- Italy will not buy more Lockheed Martin Corp F-35 fighter jets and is considering whether to stick to the order to which it is already committed, Defence Minister Elisabetta Trenta said on Friday.

Trenta comes from the anti-establishment 5-Star Movement which has always been critical of NATO member Italy's order for 90 of the planes, saying the money could be better spent to boost welfare and help the sluggish economy.

"We won't buy any more F-35s," Trenta said in a television interview with private broadcaster La 7. "We are assessing what to do regarding the contracts already in place."

She spelled out several reasons to be cautious, saying that "strong financial penalties" could mean that "scrapping the order could cost us more than maintaining it."

She also cited benefits in terms of technology and research in Italy linked to the planes, as well as jobs that would be lost.

.../...

"No one is hiding the fact we have always been critical [of the F-35] ... In view of the existing contracts signed by the previous government, we are carrying out a careful assessment that exclusively considers the national interest," she said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-italy-defence-f35/italy-says-wont-buy-more-f-35-fighter-jets-may-cut-existing-order-idUSKBN1JW28M
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/07/2018 | 08:42 uur
Primer Concern for Australia's Corroding F-35 Fighters   (ik dacht dat dit al opgelost was, maar dus weer nieuwe gevallen van corrosie ... )

Ten of the Royal Australian Air Force's new multi-million-dollar strike fighters have corrosion ­issues after the manufacturer ­failed to use a protective primer when painting the F-35s.

And F-35 pilots could face such debilitating ear pain or sinus ­injury from internal pressure changes that they could crash during complex manoeuvres, a US Government Accountability Office report has warned.

The corrosion and the internal pressure scenario are the latest ­issues plaguing the aircraft that cost about $100 million each and are expected to start arriving in Australia later this year.

The Australian ­Defence Force confirmed on Friday that 10 of its Lockheed Martin-built fighters had been affected by the primer issue that the US government says has to be fixed via a month- long repair process. The issue was first noticed on a US plane by authorities late last year when corrosion was discovered on fasteners under an F-35A's fuselage panels during maintenance.

A joint government and industry investigation found primer had not been applied to prevent corrosion to the fastener holes in an aluminium cover plate.

Three months ago the US ­Defence Department temporarily suspended acceptance of the strike fighters because of the corrosion issues but did not reveal any affect on the Australia fleet.

At the time the US Air Force's spokesman for the assistant secretary of acquisition Lieutenant General Arnold Bunch said the corrosion was in fastener holes that were drilled and not "corrected or properly treated".

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/194560/primer-concern-for-australia%E2%80%99s-corroding-f_35-fighters.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/07/2018 | 08:51 uur
USAF starts work on defining adaptive engine for future fighter   
( geen RR dit keer !, hopelijk kiezen ze voor beide optie's zodat er nog enige compeditie blijft en niet zoals nu met de F135 motor. Bij de F-16 had je ook diverse motor keuzes )

US Air Force officials have taken the first concrete step towards defining a new class of adaptive jet engines to power the next generation of combat aircraft that come after the Lockheed Martin F-35.

A $437 million contract modification awarded to GE Aviation on 29 June also draws the first sharp line between an ongoing effort to develop a 45,000lb-thrust adaptive engine replacement for the F-35 fleet and a follow-on series of engines designed for the still-undefined aircraft that will replace the Lockheed F-22.

Pratt & Whitney, the powerplant supplier for the F-35 and F-22, also is expected to receive a similarly sized contract modification to develop a competing engine design for a future air superiority aircraft.

Both GE and P&W are already working on a related but separate development effort called the Adaptive Engine Transition Programme (AETP). The AETP was described when it was announced in 2016 as an effort to develop and test adaptive engines for a sixth-generation fighter propulsion system, with the possibility of re-engining the F-35 with a more powerful and fuel efficient alternative to the P&W F135.

But the new award clarifies that the competing AETP engines — embodied by GE's XA100 and P&W's XA101 demonstrators — are focused on a potential bid to re-engine the F-35 in the mid-2020s.

The new contract modification for GE, meanwhile, funds "next generation adaptive propulsion risk reduction for air superiority applications", the Department of Defense states in the 29 June contract award.

In an interview with FlightGlobal, Dan McCormick, GE's general manager for the Advanced Combat Engine Programme, agrees that the AETP demonstrators are "F-35 design-centric". The new programme awarded in June is aimed at the next generation of aircraft, he says.

In keeping with the USAF's secretive approach to defining the next air superiority fighter, critical details of the new programme — including its work scope and name — are not released.

"There is a significant amount of design work planned in the programme," McCormick offers. "Because of its classification, I can't talk about detailed content."

It is clear that the unnamed programme features adaptive engine technology. In this context, that means an engine that can vary the volume of air flow that bypasses the core. By opening a "third stream" of air flow in cruise mode, the USAF believes such an architecture can improve specific fuel consumption of the engine by 25%, increasing range and reducing in-flight refueling requirements.

The USAF and the US Navy have been pursuing adaptive engine technology since the launch of the Adaptive Versatile Engine Technology (ADVENT) programme in 2007. The follow-on adaptive engine technology demonstrator (AETD) programme started in 2012. Four years later, GE and P&W started to work on the AETP demonstrators.

GE plans to deliver the XA100 demonstrator's first engine to test next year under the AETP programme, McCormick says. In addition to adaptive bypass airflow, the XA100 will feature ceramic matrix composites (CMCs) in the rotating high pressure turbine blades, allowing GE to use higher temperatures or reduce cooling loads in the engine design.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-starts-work-on-defining-adaptive-engine-for-fut-450053/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/07/2018 | 09:13 uur
F-35 vs A-10 CAS fly-off has commenced

A fly-off between the F-35 and A-10 in the close air support (CAS) role started on Jul. 5 and is expected to end on Jul. 12.

.../...

http://www.pogo.org/straus/issues/weapons/2018/close-air-support-fly-off-farce.html#.W0UPqGeXHZk.twitter

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/07/2018 | 09:26 uur
Germany Heads for Political Dogfight Over Replacing the Tornado

The first Tornado fighter jet roared across the sky over Germany in 1974, ushering in a new era for the country's air force.

The twin-seater combat aircraft served as the backbone of the Luftwaffe in the closing stages of the cold war and the turbulent years that followed. In 1999, a squadron of German Tornados took part in combat missions above Bosnia — the first by the Luftwaffe since the end of the second world war.

Now the ageing plane is heading for retirement — leaving the government in Berlin with a difficult choice that touches military, political and even nuclear sensitivities and that is bound to antagonise at least one of Germany's closest allies. The government will decide this year which model should replace the Tornado when the 85-strong fleet goes out of service, starting in 2025.

One of the tasks the new aircraft will have to replicate is the ability to carry and deploy US nuclear weapons — one of the core capabilities still provided by the Tornado and its most contentious by far.

Defence officials agree there is no time to develop a new plane, meaning the lucrative contract will go to the maker of one of four existing aircraft: the Eurofighter, which is built by a consortium of German, British and Italian groups; or one of three US-made plans — the ultra-modern F-35A (Lightning II), the F-15E (Strike Eagle) or the F/A-18E/F (Super Hornet).

The size of the order has yet to be determined but is likely to be worth billions of euros.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/194607/germany-heads-for-political-dogfight-over-tornado-replacement.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/07/2018 | 09:29 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 11/07/2018 | 09:16 uur
Maar de A10 heeft zichzelf toch gewoon bewezen.

klopt dat heeft hij zeker !
ook totaal anders ontworpen dan de F-35, A-10 is CAS op lage hoogte. F-35 alles op afstand.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/07/2018 | 09:39 uur
US Air Force schedules first flight of attritable XQ-58A UAV for this fall  ( interessante ontwikkeling )

(https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/djdja1.jpg?quality=85)

Key Points
•The US Air Force plans a first flight for this fall of its XQ-58A attritable UAV
•The idea of attritable is affordable but not to the point of so cheap where it is expendable

The US Air Force (USAF) will fly this fall for the first time the Kratos XQ-58A Valkyrie, an 'attritable' unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) that the service can afford to lose, but is not expendable, as they are expected to survive some missions.

Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) chief Major General William Cooley said on 10 July the idea of the XQ-58A is making a capable combat-type aircraft for very low cost using modern manufacturing techniques.

http://www.janes.com/article/81664/us-air-force-schedules-first-flight-of-attritable-xq-58a-uav-for-this-fall

nog wat extra info :
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/7449/more-details-on-kratos-optionally-expendable-air-combat-drones-emerge
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 11/07/2018 | 12:48 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 11/07/2018 | 09:16 uur
Blijft me verbazen. Dat er elementen zijn die goede profits maken van de F35 is duidelijk, 1000 miljard wil iedereen een graantje van meepikken. Maar de A10 heeft zichzelf toch gewoon bewezen. Uitfaseren kost levens.

Klopt,maar er zijn een aantal Airforce "hoge omes"die er (al lang)vanaf willen,ondanks dat het gewoon het beste CAS vliegtuig is wat er is,F35 kan niet wat de A-10 kan,ook al beweren mensen van wel   :dead:  (wordt heel anders ingezet)

Hier een citaat van iemand die weet waar ie het over heeft. :P

"The Air Force is eager to replace the A-10 with the F-35, yet the latter is vastly inferior at providing supporting firepower for troops who are closely engaged with enemy forces. This close air support (CAS) as provided by the A-10 has proven invaluable on the battlefield. Retired Air Force chief master sergeant Russell B. Carpenter, who has been involved with or the lead controller on over 900 close-air-support sorties in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kosovo, put it this way: "I have worked with F-16s, B-1B bombers, F-15s, F-111s, F/A-18s, etc., and no other [close-air-support] plane comes even close to the A-10." In other words, substituting F-16s and F-15s for the A-10 in Iraq is putting questionable procurement priorities above the importance of our present mission."

En daarbij zijn die testen nou niet bepaald objectief,maar zoals al geschreven,zwaar in het voordeel van de F-35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/07/2018 | 13:29 uur
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Citaat van: walter leever op 11/07/2018 | 12:48 uur
En daarbij zijn die testen nou niet bepaald objectief,maar zoals al geschreven,zwaar in het voordeel van de F-35.

In de periode '73-'74 werd de A-10A tegenover de A-7D Corsair II gezet en toen moest de A-10A met alle macht de winnaar worden. Dat was namelijk de opzet van de test. De A-7D was echter minstens zo goed, geavanceerder en niet eens zoveel duurder.

Als het meezit, dan haalt de A-10C de einddatum van 2028 en misschien wel de jaren 30.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: bergd op 11/07/2018 | 17:19 uur
https://wtop.com/world/2018/07/slovakia-approves-purchase-of-f-16-fighter-jets-from-us/

14 stuks F16's block 70/72,ter vervanging van de Mig 29 voor Slowakije
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/07/2018 | 17:50 uur
Citaat van: WTOP op 11/07/2018 | 17:19 uur
https://wtop.com/world/2018/07/slovakia-approves-purchase-of-f-16-fighter-jets-from-us/

Er wordt zelfs minder gerekend dan waarvoor goedkeuring werd verleend.

http://dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/slovakia-f-16-block-7072-v-configuration-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/07/2018 | 17:55 uur
Citaat van: bergd op 11/07/2018 | 17:19 uur
14 stuks F16's block 70/72,ter vervanging van de Mig 29 voor Slowakije

Prima oplossing tot 2035-40, maar of dit de meest slimme keuze is? Wie wil aan de staart van de productielijn zitten?

Deze F16's zullen tot +/- 2050-2060 mee moeten, hiermee halen ze wel een type jubileum, minimaal 80 jaar F16's. (alsof wij de laatste Spitfires van de lijn in 2025 zouden vervangen).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 11/07/2018 | 18:44 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/07/2018 | 17:55 uur
Alsof wij de laatste Spitfires van de lijn in 2025 zouden vervangen,

Geloof dat een Spitfire met Hellfires het ook vandaag de dag best wel goed zou doen in CAS  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/07/2018 | 18:47 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 11/07/2018 | 18:44 uur
Geloof dat een Spitfire met Hellfires het ook vandaag de dag best wel goed zou doen in CAS  :angel:

Een Fokker G1 vast ook.... :cute-smile:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/07/2018 | 12:24 uur
Pentagon reaches handshake deal with Lockheed on newest batch of F-35s

https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2018/07/15/pentagon-reaches-handshake-deal-with-lockheed-on-newest-batch-of-f-35s/#.W0sgtjZsNOI.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/07/2018 | 12:46 uur
Exclusive - Lockheed F-35 jet price falls 6 percent to below $90 million: sources

https://reut.rs/2NgCYly
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/07/2018 | 12:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/07/2018 | 12:46 uur
Exclusive - Lockheed F-35 jet price falls 6 percent to below $90 million: sources


In aanschaf (zonder toeters en bellen en btw) nu ongeveer net zo duur als een Gripen E.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 15/07/2018 | 12:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/07/2018 | 12:46 uur
Exclusive - Lockheed F-35 jet price falls 6 percent to below $90 million: sources

https://reut.rs/2NgCYly
Wat betekent dit voor de prijs van onze toestellen? Houden we nu centjes over voor extra toestellen reservedelen of wapens en munitie?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 15/07/2018 | 12:54 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 15/07/2018 | 12:49 uur
Wat betekent dit voor de prijs van onze toestellen? Houden we nu centjes over voor extra toestellen reservedelen of wapens en munitie?
Wij zullen wel weer buiten de boot vallen om wat voor reden dan ook, maar als dat zo is doe dan maar wat er uitgespaard word reserveren voor extra toestellen want die zijn in de toekomst ook nodig. Als we bij elke batch een bedrag overhouden door block-buys en we dat geld opzij zetten voor zeg 2024 om extra kisten te kopen dan hoeft er minder extra budget toegekend te worden omdat dit al in de pot zit. Dat zal dan ook minder vragen oproepen dan weer 2,5 miljard te vragen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 15/07/2018 | 13:00 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/07/2018 | 12:49 uur
In aanschaf (zonder toeters en bellen en btw) nu ongeveer net zo duur als een Gripen E.
Maar wat kun je er zonder die "toeters en bellen" mee?

En dan zitten we nog met het probleempje van de verdubbelde instandhoudingskosten...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/07/2018 | 13:09 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 15/07/2018 | 13:00 uur
Maar wat kun je er zonder die "toeters en bellen" mee?

En dan zitten we nog met het probleempje van de verdubbelde instandhoudingskosten...

Ook voor alle andere alternatieven kijk je naar de flyaway cost, ook daar komt nog het e.e.a. bij voor het complete systeem.

Exploitatie is een ander verhaal, ook deze kosten zullen aanzienlijk moeten zakken om het een bovengemiddeld attractief systeem te maken, want aan hangar-queens heb je tenslotte ook niet zo heel veel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 15/07/2018 | 13:11 uur
Heb laatst een presentatie gehad dat je de Price per flightour beter maar de deur uit kan doen, iedereen rekent wat anders.
Inmiddels ben ik er totaal van overtuigd dat we met de F-35 verdermoeten, wat dat betreft heeft de KLu een goede keus gemaakt. Maarja aantallen
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/07/2018 | 13:21 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 15/07/2018 | 13:11 uur
Heb laatst een presentatie gehad dat je de Price per flightour beter maar de deur uit kan doen, iedereen rekent wat anders.
Inmiddels ben ik er totaal van overtuigd dat we met de F-35 verdermoeten, wat dat betreft heeft de KLu een goede keus gemaakt. Maarja aantallen

Deze mening deel ik.

Vwb price per uur en de verschillen van berekening.... zo bereken de Duitsers alles, van infra structuur tot handjes en catering en komen zij op een uurprijs van 140.000 euro voor een Typhoon.

Zo wordt de Gripen C gepromoot voor vlieguurkosten van US$4.700 en elke gebruiker weet dat dit BS is gezien de ervaringen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 15/07/2018 | 13:25 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 15/07/2018 | 13:11 uur
Heb laatst een presentatie gehad dat je de Price per flightour beter maar de deur uit kan doen, iedereen rekent wat anders.
Inmiddels ben ik er totaal van overtuigd dat we met de F-35 verdermoeten, wat dat betreft heeft de KLu een goede keus gemaakt. Maarja aantallen

Buiten om of het de juiste keuze is geweest is er nu ook geen weg meer terug als je het mij vraagt. Ja er zijn altijd mensen die zeggen dan stoten we de reeds bestelde toestellen maar af, maar ja dat is makkelijker gezegd dan gedaan en daarmee verlies je ook een hoop geld.

Met de F-35 kunnen we de komende jaren weer voorruit en ook de vervanging van de F-35 zal ook starten als het project introductie F-35 afgerond en geëvalueerd is.
Dan moeten we gaan kijken wat wil de KLU in de toekomst, de eerste stap (in mijn ogen) zal zijn om extra F-35's aan te kopen en vervolgens in te stappen in de unmanned wingman plannen.
Simpel gezegd RPA's die in formatie mee vliegen met de F-35 en aangestuurd worden door de F-35 (voor geplande missie of door de vlieger), dat is in mijn ogen de toekomst voor de F-35.
Het aantal zal omhoog moeten van de 37 stuks, als je het mij vraagt naar +/- 52 stuks, aangevuld door Wingman RPA's (voorbeeld GE Avenger). En voor de vervanger van de F-35, daar moeten we goed kijken wat we willen Amerikaanse of Europees. We kunnen natuurlijk instappen in het Zweeds-Britse idee of in het Frans-Duitse idee maar ook de Amerikanen zijn al aan het nadenken over de vervanger van de F-35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/07/2018 | 13:49 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 15/07/2018 | 12:54 uur
Wij zullen wel weer buiten de boot vallen om wat voor reden dan ook, maar als dat zo is doe dan maar wat er uitgespaard word reserveren voor extra toestellen want die zijn in de toekomst ook nodig.

Hoezo zou Nederland buiten de boot vallen? Het Reuters artikel gaat over LRIP 11 (141 stuks totaal) en daarin zitten de 8 aankomende F-35A's (6 via Fort Worth en 2 via Cameri) voor de KLu.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 15/07/2018 | 13:55 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 15/07/2018 | 13:49 uur
Hoezo zou Nederland buiten de boot vallen? Het Reuters artikel gaat over LRIP 11 (141 stuks totaal) en daarin zitten de 8 aankomende F-35A's (6 via Fort Worth en 2 via Cameri) voor de KLu.
Ik heb het artikel niet gelezen, maar 9/10 keer hebben wij pech dus vandaar mijn antwoord.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/07/2018 | 15:48 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 15/07/2018 | 15:24 uur
En net zoveel als een Rafale met toeters en bellen.
Wat is je punt?

Slechts een prettige constatering dat de F35 (in aanschaf) steeds meer aantrekkelijk wordt. Opvallend is dat het vaak stil blijft bij positieve ontwikkelingen, maar als een tientje bijkomt dan wordt er weer geklaagd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 15/07/2018 | 18:47 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/07/2018 | 13:29 uur
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In de periode '73-'74 werd de A-10A tegenover de A-7D Corsair II gezet en toen moest de A-10A met alle macht de winnaar worden. Dat was namelijk de opzet van de test. De A-7D was echter minstens zo goed, geavanceerder en niet eens zoveel duurder.

Als het meezit, dan haalt de A-10C de einddatum van 2028 en misschien wel de jaren 30.


Hier nog een rapport,en uitleg over de verschillen in CAS(A-10 en andere vliegtuigen)en mogelijkheden voor de toekomst. :P

https://navy.ca/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22809.0;attach=56601  (downloaden en openen/lezen)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 15/07/2018 | 18:51 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/07/2018 | 12:46 uur
Exclusive - Lockheed F-35 jet price falls 6 percent to below $90 million: sources

https://reut.rs/2NgCYly
'Stealth is gratis.'
;D ;D

11 jaar geleden, toen ik voor het eerst op dit forum kwam, zag ik ook dat er een onderwerp bestond over het JSF project.
Interessant, dus gelijk gaan kijken.
Zie ik daar de opmerking "stealth is gratis".   Ik haakte natuurlijk gelijk af na zulke pertinente onzin.

Dan ons Jurrienneke.  Zodra bijvoorbeeld Reuters, UPI, het Lexington Institute, allemaal media en instituten die afhankelijk zijn van advertenties of sponsors er een pers-bericht of 'onderzoek' uitgooien die vermelden dat de F-35 weer in prijs is gedaald, dan kan je er van op aan dat onze ondernemer uit Oss (Jurrien) dit gaat posten op DF.

Hij heeft inmiddels al meer dan 10 keer hier van die pro-pa-gan-da berichten geplaatst.  "JSF 4 % goedkoper, F-35 prijzen 3 % gedaald, etcetera, etcetera.
Nog zo een ruwweg 20 van dit soort berichten als boven genoemde link.
En dan moet Jurrien toch uiteindelijk met een link komen die vermeldt: "Gratis af te halen: F-35 jachtvliegtuigen bij LockheedMartin."

'Zeg DF leden: ik heb nog een mooie donker-blauwe BMW 3 serie te koop staan.   Heeft mooie metallic lak, lichtmetalen velgen, een mooie beige leren bekleding en een puike muziek en entertainment installatie.
Hoeveel moet dat kosten ?   Ach, denk aan een prijs die vergelijkbaar is met die van de gemiddelde Golf GTI.   
Oh ja, ik heb ook nog dertig 208 liter vaten met "snake oil" te koop staan. Tussen maandag 16 juli en donderdag 19 juli geldt een 35 % lagere prijs.  Wie maakt mij los ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 15/07/2018 | 18:58 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 15/07/2018 | 18:51 uur

Hij heeft inmiddels al meer dan 10 keer hier van die pro-pa-gan-da berichten geplaatst.  "JSF 4 % goedkoper, F-35 prijzen 3 % gedaald, etcetera, etcetera.

Iets met een splinter en enorme balk. Tevens een pot en ketel... Manmanman...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 15/07/2018 | 19:25 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/07/2018 | 13:21 uur
Deze mening deel ik.

Vwb price per uur en de verschillen van berekening.... zo bereken de Duitsers alles, van infra structuur tot handjes en catering en komen zij op een uurprijs van 140.000 euro voor een Typhoon.

Zo wordt de Gripen C gepromoot voor vlieguurkosten van US$4.700 en elke gebruiker weet dat dit BS is gezien de ervaringen.
Deze CPFH werd op 13 maart 2012 gepubliceerd door het goed geïnformeerde en betrouwbare Jane's Defense.  Waarbij de diverse CPFH van de Gripen, F-16, Rafale, Typhoon, F-18E/F en F-35 werden vergeleken.  En dit bedrag betreft alleen maar de "basic costs" of te wel alleen de DIRECTE exploitatie kosten, zijnde:
– Fuel used
– Pre-flight preparation and repair
– Scheduled airfield-level maintenance together with associated personnel costs.

Waarbij Jane's eerlijk en duidelijk aangaf dat dit onderzoek in opdracht van Saab Aerospace was uitgevoerd.
Maar Jane's heeft een goede reputatie, die het niet wil verliezen.
Dus gingen ze de CPFH in zoveel mogelijk betrouwbare bronnen bij de overheden, industrie, vrijgegeven kandidaten evaluaties, eigen calculaties, etcetera destilleren.

Jane's verklaarde in dit onderzoek ook dat de Cost Per Flight Hour op verschillende manieren te berekenen is en dat de CPFH per kist, maar ook per squadron (aanzienlijk) kan verschillen.  Dus ging Jane's zeer bewust voor de Basic /direct costs only CPFH, in plaats van de Comprehensive CPFH, waar dus ook de indirecte kosten zitten in begrepen.
Deze Comprehensive CPFH voor de Gripen C in 2012 US dollars was geschat USD 10.000.   Terwijl Jane's de Comprehensive CPFH voor de Gripen E op USD 12.000 schatte.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 15/07/2018 | 19:28 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 15/07/2018 | 18:58 uur
Iets met een splinter en enorme balk. Tevens een pot en ketel... Manmanman...
Duhuh.  Leg de Selected Acquisition Reports van opeenvolgende jaren aangaande het JSF project maar eens naast elkaar en vergelijk "onderofficier met de grote waffel".

Ik onderbouw alles, wat ik hier beschrijf.  Dat doen jij en Jurrien niet.  Nou jij weer.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/07/2018 | 19:35 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 15/07/2018 | 19:28 uur
Duhuh.  Leg de Selected Acquisition Reports van opeenvolgende jaren aangaande het JSF project maar eens naast elkaar en vergelijk "onderofficier met de grote waffel".

Ik onderbouw alles, wat ik hier beschrijf.  Dat doen jij en Jurrien niet.  Nou jij weer.

Ik kan alleen vermelden wat de internationale media vermeld en dat er ander kosten zijn dat zal best wel, de basis lijkt iig goedkoper te worden iets wat vermoedelijk niet in ons nadeel zal werken... tenzij ze natuurlijk de prijzen van elk reserve schroefje in prijs gaan verdubbelen.



Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 15/07/2018 | 20:01 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 15/07/2018 | 19:28 uur
Duhuh.  Leg de Selected Acquisition Reports van opeenvolgende jaren aangaande het JSF project maar eens naast elkaar en vergelijk "onderofficier met de grote waffel".

Ik onderbouw alles, wat ik hier beschrijf.  Dat doen jij en Jurrien niet.  Nou jij weer.

Jochie, jij onderbouwt alles met geschiedenislessen en de onderbuik van Poleme, waarbij het 9 van de 10 keer ook nog een klok klepel verhaal is... En dan vooral als het richting stealth, wapens, radars en EOV gaat...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sandgroper op 15/07/2018 | 21:33 uur

Uit het "Achttiende Voortgangsrapportage van het project F-16 vervanging" van september 2017:

"Ontwikkelingen op gebied van kosten."
De actuele informatie over de ontwikkeling van de Amerikaanse kosten van het F-35 programma (2.456 toestellen in drie varianten) is opgenomen in het Selected Acquisition Report over 2016 (SAR 2016), dat dit jaar pas in juli jl. is verschenen. De belangrijkste informatie hieruit is, zoals gebrui- kelijk, in deze rapportage verwerkt. Vanwege de late verschijning van het rapport is daarover geen afzonderlijke Kamerbrief gezonden. Ten opzichte van de ramingen in het SAR 2015 zijn de totale Amerikaanse programma- kosten gestegen. De totale programmakosten bestaan uit de initiële investeringskosten en de exploitatiekosten. Tabel 3 geeft een overzicht van de huidige Amerikaanse ramingen uit het recente SAR 2016 in vergelijking met de ramingen uit de eerdere rapporten van 2012, 2013, 2014 en 2015.

Omschrijving                        Raming SAR 2012 (M$)   Raming SAR 2013 (M$)   Raming SAR 2014 (M$)  Raming SAR 2015 (M$)   Raming SAR (M$)    Verschil tov 2015 in %
Ontwikkelingskosten (RDT&E)       59.398,10                     59.172,90                       59.248,10                        59.491,20                 59.810,70                       0,5
Aanschafkosten (Procurement)    256.130,10                   260.618,70                     257.167,60                      249.667,80               260.775,80                        4,4
Toestellen (Flyaway)                   221.108,20                   226.216,10                     225.342,30                      222.668,70               231.020,30                        3,8
Recurring                                   195.941,60                   202.475,00                     201.056,10                      197.002,00               206.533,50                        4,8
Non-recurring                              25.166,60                      23.741,10                      24.286,20                       25.666,70                 24.486,80                      - 4,6
Ondersteunende middelen            35.021,90                      34.402,60                      31.825,30                       26.999,10                 29.755,50                       10,2
Overig                                        18.892,00                       18.030,90                     16.798,20                        16.223,60                18.572,80                       14,5
Initiele reserve-delen                   16.129,90                       16.371,70                     15.027,10                        10.775,50                11.182,70                         3,8
Aanpassingen Infrastructuur           3.897,80                        3.701,90                       3.929,40                          4.101,40                  4.034,10                       - 1,6

Totaal Investeringskosten           319.426,00                    323.493,50                    320.345,10                       313.260,40               324.620,60                         3,6

LockheedMartin verklaarde vorig decennium zelf dat de F-35 kosten pas structureel zullen dalen na het 1.600 ste gebouwde toestel !
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/07/2018 | 09:20 uur
What waits in the wings for Europe's next, next-gen fighter?

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/farnborough/2018/07/10/what-waits-in-the-wings-for-europes-next-next-gen-fighter/#.W0xG8g0MilI.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 16/07/2018 | 10:09 uur
Citaat van: Sandgroper op 15/07/2018 | 21:33 uur
Uit het "Achttiende Voortgangsrapportage van het project F-16 vervanging" van september 2017:

Ik heb even niet helder wat je probeert te zeggen met deze tabel. Maar waar het mij en (Jurrien zo te lezen ook) om gaat is dat als er ook maar iets positiefs te melden is over de F35 de ususal suspects weer als bokken op de haverkist springen met geschiedenislessen over de F104, juridisch bindende RFI's, de meest walgelijke excel tabelletjes en meer van dat fraais dat het toch allemaal anders gezien moet worden... En als je dan een beetje gaat spitten blijkt het allemaal wiki wijsheid te zijn wat vaak ook nog verkeerd wordt uitgelegd... Ik vind dat allemaal niet erg dat houdt de discussie op gang maar ga niet direct de posts van anderen afbranden omdat je meent dat je (in het algemeen dus niet aan jou gericht) het gelijk aan je zijde hebt op basis van google en wikipedia...

Daarbij vraag ik mij ondertussen toch wel eens af op basis van welke defensie ervaring sommigen hier de wijsheid in pacht menen te hebben... Het heeft allemaal een gigantisch Google gehalte.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 16/07/2018 | 10:16 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 15/07/2018 | 18:51 uur
Dan ons Jurrienneke.  Zodra bijvoorbeeld Reuters, UPI, het Lexington Institute, allemaal media en instituten die afhankelijk zijn van advertenties of sponsors er een pers-bericht of 'onderzoek' uitgooien die vermelden dat de F-35 weer in prijs is gedaald, dan kan je er van op aan dat onze ondernemer uit Oss (Jurrien) dit gaat posten op DF.

Ik had deze even gemist, maar ik ga je nu vanuit de beheerdersmode aanraden om dit soort gehengel naar privegegevens danwel privegegevens gebruiken als soort van argument danwel je Google skills proberen te verifieren achterwege te laten. Dit is niet de eerste keer dat je je bedient van dit soort trucs en ik kan je verklappen dat het bij een volgende keer maar zo een tijdje de laatste keer kan worden.

A.J. Forumbeheer
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/07/2018 | 10:26 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 16/07/2018 | 10:09 uur
Maar waar het mij en (Jurrien zo te lezen ook) om gaat is dat als er ook maar iets positiefs te melden is over de F35 de ususal suspects weer als bokken op de haverkist springen met geschiedenislessen over de F104, juridisch bindende RFI's, de meest walgelijke excel tabelletjes en meer van dat fraais dat het toch allemaal anders gezien moet worden...

Correct.

Een tientje er bij en het huis is weer te klein, een tientje er af, het kan niet waar zijn, want....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/07/2018 | 10:36 uur
U.K. to Unveil 'Tempest' Fighter Jet Model for Post-Brexit World

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-16/williamson-to-unveil-model-of-u-k-s-next-generation-fighter-jet
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/07/2018 | 10:47 uur
Citaat van: Bloomberg op 16/07/2018 | 10:36 uur
U.K. to Unveil 'Tempest' Fighter Jet Model for Post-Brexit World

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-16/williamson-to-unveil-model-of-u-k-s-next-generation-fighter-jet

Door het team Tempest te noemen, houden de Britten hun historie levend (Hawker Typhoon, Tempest en (Sea) Fury)  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/07/2018 | 12:43 uur
Een/het Britse ontwerp voor de Typhoon opvolger.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 16/07/2018 | 12:54 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/07/2018 | 12:43 uur
Een/het Britse ontwerp voor de Typhoon opvolger.
Ziet eruit als een single engine toestel als ik het zo bekijk vanaf deze hoek. 2035 moet het operationeel zijn, mogen ze wel gaan opschieten.

Hier een wat meer info (die jij zelf ook plaatste op twitter), daar lijkt het erop dat er 2 engines in zitten. Wat ik ook verwacht van een Typhoon vervanger.
Het zou nog wel iets kunnen zijn voor de KLU naast de F-35 in kleine aantallen, de Britten willen het ook zo ontwikkelen om naast de F-35 te opereren.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiOIyDRXUAA7m08.jpg:large)
via https://twitter.com/RAeSTimR
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/07/2018 | 12:56 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 16/07/2018 | 12:54 uur
Ziet eruit als een single engine toestel als ik het zo bekijk. 2035 moet het operationeel zijn, mogen ze wel gaan opschieten.

Volgens mij een twee pitter!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 16/07/2018 | 12:58 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/07/2018 | 12:56 uur
Volgens mij een wee pitter!

Ja ik heb het bericht iets aangepast, vanuit de hoek van die foto lijkt het een 1 pits toestel maar ik verwacht met 95% zekerheid dat het tweepits word als vervanger van de EF typhoon.

Via https://twitter.com/RAeSTimR
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiONYe1WAAEMB_I.jpg)
Rolls Royce is al aan het werk met de ontwikkeling van de ''6th gen engine''
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 16/07/2018 | 13:13 uur
Op pagina 34 van de Combat Air Strategy  (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/725600/CombatAirStrategy_Lowres.pdf)staan de EF Typhoon, F-35 en de ''Tempest'' samen op een afbeelding hierbij is duidelijk te zien dat het een tweepits toestel is.

Het toestel zou ook optioneel onbemand worden. Ik vraag me wel af wat Saab hier nog aan toe gaat kunnen voegen, het lijkt er op dat de Britten al een hele stap voor zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/07/2018 | 15:29 uur
FARNBOROUGH: Saab pushes ahead with Gripen E development

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/farnborough-saab-pushes-ahead-with-gripen-e-develo-450275/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 17/07/2018 | 16:14 uur
Italy May Stop F-35 Orders at 13 Aircraft  (vreemd verhaal ...  :hrmph:  rare jongens, die Romeinen  ;)  )

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/feature/5/194809/italy-may-stop-f_35-orders-at-13-aircraft%2C-has-no-obligation-to-buy-more.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/07/2018 | 17:44 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 17/07/2018 | 17:36 uur
Als je het verhaal leest staat er weinig concreets in in het artikel om de suggestie uit de titel te onderbouwen. Defense-Aerospace is een goede site, maar met dit soort berichten moet je goed opletten wat er letterlijk staat, ze zijn wel een beetje pro-Europeanen.

Over Giovanni de Briganti hebben we het al eerder gehad. Hij en de F-35 zijn als water en vuur. De F-35 is niet perfect, maar zelfs hem lukt het niet om er iets positiefs over te schrijven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 17/07/2018 | 17:47 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 17/07/2018 | 17:36 uur
Als je het verhaal leest staat er weinig concreets in in het artikel om de suggestie uit de titel te onderbouwen. Defense-Aerospace is een goede site, maar met dit soort berichten moet je goed opletten wat er letterlijk staat, ze zijn wel een beetje pro-Europeanen.

Het zou zomaar kunnen dat een eigenwijze minister of regering er wel de stekker uit trekt. Het zou een domme keuze zijn want ze verliezen daar gegarandeerd ook hun rechten tot productie van toestellen en of onderdelen mee. Het zou niet alleen een probleem vormen voor de Italiaanse defensie maar ook voor de industrie.

Om die reden schreef ik eerder al laat ze het maar stoppen dan brengen we de productie naar Woensdrecht, bouwen, onderhouden en upgraden we onze eigen toestellen wel en die van onze Europese partners. Graag zelfs, goed voor onze industrie en ook de schatkist. Het is natuurlijk niet iets dat je zo in Italië inpakt en in Woensdrecht uitpakt en het werkt, dit zal vertraging opleveren voor alle orders.

Ik verwacht niet dat de Italianen zo dom zijn maar als het gebeurd verwacht ik zeker een reactie van LM rondom de productielijn en mogelijk zelfs het sluiten van die lijn.
Als Nederland dan zo slim is pakken wij het verhaal hier op, klinkt mooi maar gaat zeer waarschijnlijk niet gebeuren (kans +/- 1%).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 17/07/2018 | 18:09 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 17/07/2018 | 17:44 uur
Over Giovanni de Briganti hebben we het al eerder gehad. Hij en de F-35 zijn als water en vuur. De F-35 is niet perfect, maar zelfs hem lukt het niet om er iets positiefs over te schrijven.

Dit dus... Al zou de F35 een cloaking device zijn, time jumps kunnen maken, van A naar B kunnen beamen, met de lichtsnelheid kunnen vliegen en het hele wapenarsenaal van de wereld in het ruim kunnen opbergen dan nog is het een kuttoestel en moet de Rafale aangekocht worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 17/07/2018 | 22:29 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 17/07/2018 | 22:17 uur
Natuurlijk kan dat, alles kan. Maar er is op basis van het geposte bericht nog geen reden om aan te nemen dat Italie het bij 13 toestellen houd.

Nee dat is niet zeker maar ik zou niet vreemd staan te kijken als iemand zich uit principe aan het woord houd om de order te stoppen en het bij 13 of 28 toestellen te houden.
Ze kunnen ze altijd verkopen na goedkeuring van de VS.

Citaat van: Thomasen op 17/07/2018 | 22:17 uur
Moeten we dat willen?
Hebben wij niet ongeveer 1 miljard geinvesteert met de belofte van Kok/Balkenende dat we daar miljarden aan omzet en kennis mee binnen zouden halen, en dat toen nog niet gekozen was voor de F35 (dat gebeurde pas meer dan 10 jaar later). Als je een investering van 2 miljard bij de Italianen weg kunt trekken, welke zekerheid krijg je daar dan voor terug? En is het echt het slimste wat we kunnen doen? Weet je zo zeker dat we niet beter dat geld gewoon kunnen uitgeven aan andere middelen of investeringen?
Zo iets zou ook niet via defensie gefinancierd moeten worden maar vanuit de rijksoverheid als investering in onze kleine vliegtuig industrie, we hebben genoeg capaciteit om dit te doen.
Het zou een manier kunnen zijn om flink wat banen te krijgen van hoog tot laag opgeleid personeel en ook rand bedrijven die meewerken. Ik denk dat zoiets snel 1000 banen oplevert in de omgeving van Woensdrecht. Daarnaast ook belastingen e.d. , misschien verdienen we de investering niet binnen 10 jaar terug maar op termijn als we ook de MLU's kunnen uitvoeren dan verdienen we dat wel terug is mijn verwachting. Ook al verdienen we het niet terug is het toch het overwegen waard in mijn ogen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/07/2018 | 10:28 uur
Raytheon Missile Systems President talks F-35 Weapons



Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/07/2018 | 10:52 uur
Navy's New EW Jammer to be Ready in 2022

FARNBOROUGH AIR SHOW The U.S. Navy hopes to start flying its Next Generation Jammer some time next year, though the system won't reach operational capability until 2022, said Navy Capt. Michael Orr, program manager for the service's electronic attack systems.

As it stands now the Navy's principal airborne electronic attack systems relies on technology developed in the 1970's: While the service has switched from the old EA-6B Prowler to the new EA-18G Growler as its electronic attack aircraft, the actual radar-jamming systems on the aircraft are largely the same. Service leaders are worried that with rapid advances by China and Russia in electromagnetic warfare will put their pilots at a major disadvantage, sooner rather than later.

In 2016 Raytheon won a $1 billion award to build the Next Generation Jammer. The Navy plans to spend $1.5 billion on NGJ development between 2019 and 2022.

https://breakingdefense.com/2018/07/navys-new-ew-jammer-to-be-ready-in-2022/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/07/2018 | 10:53 uur
Citaat van: Shephard Media op 18/07/2018 | 10:28 uur
Raytheon Missile Systems President talks F-35 Weapons


De combinatie GBU-53 (SDB II) en JAGM-F (Hellfire opvolger) lijkt mij interessant.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 18/07/2018 | 11:51 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 18/07/2018 | 10:53 uur
De combinatie GBU-53 (SDB II) en JAGM-F (Hellfire opvolger) lijkt mij interessant.
Ook de Britse Brimstone is interessant, JAGM-M zit voorlopig nog in een discussie of deze wel helemaal de hellfire gaat vervangen vooral de USN en USMC willen de hellfire behouden.
Zeker nu we de MQ-9 hebben kan het interessant zijn voor Nederland meer te investeren in dit soort wapens met licht gewicht maar goede precisie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 18/07/2018 | 11:55 uur
Citaat
Farnborough 2018: Europe to settle on one future fighter solution, Eurofighter CEO

The two future fighter development programmes recently launched in Europe will eventually be whittled down to a single solution that will feature strong technological input from the Eurofighter Typhoon, the CEO of the consortium told reporters on 17 July.

Speaking at the Farnborough Airshow, Volker Paltzo said he believed that the Franco-German Système de Combat Aérien Futur/Future Combat Air System (SCAF/FCAS) and the United Kingdom's Tempest programmes would be distilled down, with just one platform being taken through to production and eventual service.

"We think that we will demonstrate technology on the Eurofighter that will feature on both the current [future fighter] solutions, but it is my firm conviction that Europe will converge on one future fighter solution," he said.

Both the Tempest and SCAF/FCAS solutions are touted as being ready to enter service in the 2040s, and with BAE Systems leading the former and Airbus supporting the latter, Eurofighter already has a major presence in both camps.

With 623 aircraft ordered and 542 delivered (of which approximately 500 are in service with the core European nations of Germany, Italy, Spain, and the United Kingdom), the Typhoon is the largest defence project in the Europe's history. With further orders expected for Germany and export campaigns in effect in Belgium, Bulgaria, Finland, Poland, and Switzerland, production could continue well into the 2030s.

In order to keep the aircraft relevant over the coming decades, Eurofighter has mapped out a series of capability enhancements that could serve as a technological pathway to the continent's future fighter efforts.

"The Eurofighter is best-placed to host a wide array of technologies for developing a future fighter; it is logical for Europe's largest fighter project to do this," said Paltzo.

[Bron: Janes.com ]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/07/2018 | 12:12 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 18/07/2018 | 11:51 uur
Ook de Britse Brimstone is interessant, JAGM-M zit voorlopig nog in een discussie of deze wel helemaal de hellfire gaat vervangen vooral de USN en USMC willen de hellfire behouden.
Zeker nu we de MQ-9 hebben kan het interessant zijn voor Nederland meer te investeren in dit soort wapens met licht gewicht maar goede precisie.

Vreemd dat beide de Hellfire wiilen behouden, omdat zij wel succevol de JAGM testen. De huidige generatie Hellfire (eigenlijke Hellfire II) loopt ook een behoorlijke tijd mee.

USMC en US Navy willen graag hun Mavericks voor hun jachtvliegtuigen door de JAGM-F laten vervangen. Zie ook reactie #2437 voor meer info over JAGM-F en de F-35.

De Britten hebben nog niet aangegeven om de Brimstone in het F-35 wapenarsenaal op te nemen. Spear 3 zit daar straks wel in.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 18/07/2018 | 12:18 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 18/07/2018 | 12:12 uur
Vreemd dat beide de Hellfire wiilen behouden, omdat zij wel succevol de JAGM testen. De huidige generatie Hellfire (eigenlijke Hellfire II) loopt ook een behoorlijke tijd mee.

USMC en US Navy willen graag hun Mavericks voor hun jachtvliegtuigen door de JAGM-F laten vervangen. Zie ook reactie #2437 voor meer info over JAGM-F en de F-35.

De Britten hebben nog niet aangegeven om de Brimstone in het F-35 wapenarsenaal op te nemen. Spear 3 zit daar straks wel in.

Spear 3 / Brimstone het komt uit dezelfde familie net als de hellfire 8) Ik denk dat Nederland ook moet kijken naar de Spear 3 voor F-35 en MQ-9 zeker als deze ook ontwikkeld word voor inzet als anti-scheeps raket een mooie toevoeging als multirole wapen systeem voor beide platforms. Eventueel als we ooit weer MPA's krijgen kunnen ze daar ook onder hangen als licht alternatief voor de zware ASuW raketten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/07/2018 | 12:30 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 18/07/2018 | 12:18 uur
Spear 3 / Brimstone het komt uit dezelfde familie net als de hellfire 8) Ik denk dat Nederland ook moet kijken naar de Spear 3 voor F-35 en MQ-9 zeker als deze ook ontwikkeld word voor inzet als anti-scheeps raket een mooie toevoeging als multirole wapen systeem voor beide platforms. Eventueel als we ooit weer MPA's krijgen kunnen ze daar ook onder hangen als licht alternatief voor de zware ASuW raketten.

Spear 3 is een goede optie. Jammer dat het niet op de AH-64D/E past. Als je alles zoveel mogelijk gelijk wilt houden, dan kies je JAGM en JAGM-F.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 19/07/2018 | 09:14 uur
Boeing wants to offer F-15X to Pentagon, fires 24 air-to-air missiles

Boeing Is Pitching the US a New F-15, Using Its Super Hornet Game Plan

The company convinced the Trump administration to buy advanced F/A-18 jets. Can it do the same with the the F-15?   

FARNBOROUGH, UK — Boeing is quietly pitching the U.S. Air Force a new F-15 fighter jet using the same business strategy that convinced the Trump administration to buy more Super Hornet warplanes for the Navy.

Dubbed the F-15X, the new variant of the venerable jet offers more modern flight controls, cockpit displays, and radar, according to military and industry sources with knowledge of the plan. The plane would also pack a lot of firepower, carrying more than two dozen air-to-air missiles, the most of any U.S. Air Force aircraft.

Boeing officials declined to explicitly confirm their efforts to sell the F-15X, except perhaps obliquely:

"We see the marketplace expanding internationally and it's creating opportunities then to go back and talk to the U.S. Air Force about what might be future upgrades or even potentially future acquisitions of the F-15 aircraft," Gene Cunningham, vice president of global sales of Defense, Space & Security, said Friday at the Royal International Air Tattoo in England.

The Air Force has not purchased new F-15s since placing a 2001 order for five F-15E Strike Eagles, a two-seat version that can bomb ground targets and shoot down other aircraft. The original F-15 first flew in 1972, and many of the Air Force's current air-to-air Eagles entered service in the 1980s. Many of them are older than the pilots who fly them.

Unlike its successful Super Hornet pitch to the Trump administration last year, the F-15 pitch has not made its way to White House, according to sources with knowledge of the project. When Trump visited a Boeing commercial factory in South Carolina in February 2017, reporters traveling with the President spotted then-Chief of Staff Reince Priebus with a Boeing white paper that compared an advanced version of the Super Hornet to the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter made by rival Lockheed Martin.

Air Force leaders say they are currently evaluating their mix of aircraft.

"We have a new National Defense Strategy and the Air Force is working through the process of determining what Air Force is needed to meet that new National Defense Strategy and how do you represent that to the world, Gen. James "Mike" Holmes, the head of Air Combat Command, said June 28 at a Defense Writers Group breakfast in Washington.

Among the options being considered are new versions of F-15s and F-16s, according to one Air Force observer.

American allies Israel, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, and South Korea fly tailored versions of the F-15. The newest member of the Eagle club is Qatar, which ordered 36 aircraft last year and has an option for 36 more. Boeing is also pitching the F-15 to Germany, which wants to replace its Tornado jets.

Boeing's Cunningham, said the firm is also offering upgrades to existing F-15s with technology used in the newer ally aircraft.

The F-15 is considered a fourth-generation plane, one that does not have a stealth design, which helps it evade enemy missiles. For more than a decade, Air Force leaders have long pressed for buying only stealthy fighter and bomber aircraft. Buying new F-15s would reverse that.

"This is the most traction I've ever seen legacy four [generation aircraft] get in the Air Force," the Air Force observer said.

The F-15 was supposed to be replaced the by the stealthy F-22 Raptor — considered the top air-to-air combat fighter. Despite objections from top Air Force generals, then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates ordered an end to F-22 production in 2009. The final jet came off of Lockheed Martin's Marietta, Georgia, production line in 2012. In all, the Air Force purchased 187 Raptors, far less than the more than 750 originally planned.

At the time, Gates opted to invest in the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, a multi-role fighter, which can shoot down planes and attack targets on the ground with its array of advanced sensors, radar and sensors.

Foreign versions of the F-15 have received newer technology not around when the American planes were built. Over the years, U.S. F-15s have received upgrades to their radars and cockpits, but the Air Force recently canceled an effort to add electronic jammers to its older F-15Cs. Some Air Force observers said that indicates the service might retire the plane sooner than planned.

Boeing has long pitched new versions of the Strike Eagle to the Air Force and international customers. In 2010, the firm pitched the Silent Eagle — an F-15 with special coating and canted vertical tails — that executives said could better evade enemy detection. In 2015, it pitched an upgrade to the F-15C — the aerial combat version — that would allow it to carry 16 air-to-air missiles.

At times, Boeing has argued that upgraded versions of their planes could come close to matching the advanced stealth, sensors and electronic warfare capabilities of the F-35 at a fraction of the cost.

Now the savings might not be as much as the price tag of the Air Force F-35 has been dropping annually. The Pentagon on Sunday announced it has a handshake agreement with Lockheed Martin for a new batch of 141 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters. The Air Force version of the plane cost about $89 million per copy, according to a Reuters.

An Air Force source noted that buying new F-15s now would not be seen as competing with the F-35 since the the Joint Strike Fighter has never been considered a replacement for the F-15.

https://www.defenseone.com/business/2018/07/boeing-pitching-new-f-15-using-its-super-hornet-game-plan/149839/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 19/07/2018 | 17:40 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/07/2018 | 08:46 uur
DOD opposes removing Turkey from F-35 programme, citing supply chain disruption

In a letter sent to US Representative Mac Thornberry, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, US Secretary of Defense James Mattis acknowledged concerns about the Turkish government, while opposing US lawmakers' efforts to remove the country from the F-35 Lightning II programme, saying the loss of the nation from the supply chain would delay delivery of some aircraft for up to two years.

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https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/dod-opposes-removing-turkey-from-f-35-programme-cit-450558/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/07/2018 | 08:56 uur
The $1 trillion question: is the F-35 project too big to fail?

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In March, it was revealed that the United States Air Force (USAF) may cancel orders for as many as 590 Lockheed Martin F-35A jets – a third of its planned fleet of 1,763 – due to long-term cost issues. The news that one of the world's best pound-for-pound fighter jets may be too expensive to operate and maintain in its current form comes at a critical juncture in its evolution. In April, F-35 flight test programme concluded System Development and Demonstration testing, a major milestone.

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https://www.airforce-technology.com/features/f-35-project/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/07/2018 | 09:08 uur
Iran Building Version of U.S.-Designed Phoenix AAM  (zo'n type raket missen we eigenlijk nu ... )

TEHRAN --- Iran is building its own version of the AIM-54 Phoenix long-range air-to-air missile. The U.S. designed the Phoenix missile and sold it to Iran before the 1979 revolution.

The Faknor missile arms Iran's fleet of F-14 Tomcat fighters, but will also be integrated with other combat aircraft. The Iranian Ministry of Defense has launched the mass production of the missile.

Iran describes the Fakour as a state-of-the-art air-to-air missile.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/194984/iran-building-version-of-u.s._designed-phoenix-aam.html

AIM-54 Phoenix
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-54_Phoenix
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/07/2018 | 09:12 uur
Congress moves to put 90-day hold on F-35 transfers to Turkey

Two weeks after Defense Secretary James Mattis discouraged US lawmakers from blocking the transfer of Lockheed Martin F-35A fighters to Turkey, the House Armed Services Committee and Senate Armed Services Committee jointly released details of a compromise National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) bill that would do just that.

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https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/congress-moves-to-put-90-day-hold-on-f-35-transfers-450616/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 25/07/2018 | 09:48 uur
Zou heerlijk zijn om te zien dat de Turken op deze manier eens even goed voor lul worden gezet. Stelletje emotioneel gefrustreerde nationalistische dapen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/07/2018 | 10:30 uur
Waar je een GBU-49/B al niet voor kunt inzetten.

Saab JAS 39C Gripen of Swedish Air Force dropped 500 lbs bomb on forest fire

http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-defense-security-news/global-news-2018/july/4420-saab-jas-39c-gripen-of-swedish-air-force-dropped-500-lbs-bomb-on-forest-fire.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/07/2018 | 12:20 uur
Japan indicates possible Tempest collaboration with UK 

Japan is considering engaging with the United Kingdom on its newly disclosed Combat Air Strategy and its plans to develop the Tempest future fighter aircraft, a model of which was unveiled at the 2018 Farnborough International Airshow in mid-July.

This engagement will proceed through Japan's continuing programme to evaluate options in support of its plan to replace the Japan Air Self-Defense Force's (JASDF's) Mitsubishi F-2 fighters.

Citing Japanese defence minister Itsunori Onodera, the Ministry of Defense (MoD) in Tokyo confirmed in a recent statement that Japan and the UK have had an "exchange of opinions" about the possibility of a joint air combat project to meet the JASDF's requirements.

http://www.janes.com/article/82008/japan-indicates-possible-tempest-collaboration-with-uk
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/07/2018 | 08:22 uur
Canada asks fighter bidders for sustainment information

As Canada formulates requirements for a future fighter to replace Boeing CF-18 Hornets, the government is now asking six potential bidders for information about their capabilities to maintain the new fleet.

A letter of interest sent to bidders on 23 July broadens the Canadian government's year-long series of engagements with industry suppliers.

The letter asks the six potential bidders to provide feedback on how the government plans to divide the sustainment responsibilities between industry and the Department of National Defence.

"Please indicate any barriers or challenges that you would need to address to allow you to undertake this work for a future fighter fleet," the letter states.

Sustainment practices among the six potential bidders vary widely. Lockheed Martin's F-35A, for example, consolidates sustainment planning and support in a central hub, feeding data and parts to several regional depots stationed among the global partners. Other potential bidders, including the Boeing F/A-18E/F, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and Saab Gripen, offer services ranging from turn-key maintenance support to varying levels of direct and indirect support.

All six potential bidders signed on to the official Supplier's List in February. Their presence on the list allows the suppliers to continue engaging with the Canadian government about the acquisition, but does not commit them to submit a bid.

The Royal Canadian Air Force plans to award a contract in 2021 or 2022 for 88 new fighters, with deliveries scheduled from 2025 to 2031.

A Conservative Canadian government selected the F-35 in 2009, but that plan was scrapped after the Liberal party ascended to power in Ottawa in 2015.

Prime minister Justin Trudeau's government initially selected the F/A-18E/F for an interim contract for 24 aircraft, while it continued to evaluate options on a permanent CF-18 replacement. But Trudeau cancelled a plan to sign the interim contract last summer after Boeing filed a trade complaint against Bombardier with the US Department of Commerce.

Meanwhile, Trudeau's government launched an acquisition process for the Future Fighter Capability in December 2017.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/canada-asks-fighter-bidders-for-sustainment-informat-450707/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 30/07/2018 | 10:50 uur
New Details About the F-15X That Boeing is Pitching the US Air Force

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The new F-15 combat aircraft that Boeing is pitching to the U.S. Air Force would have a single-seat cockpit and a host of new weapons, including anti-ship missiles

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The F-15X will also be able to carry anti-ship weapons that allies have paid to test and install. In all, the plane could carry 29,000 pounds of weapons.

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The additional weapons would allow the plans to fly new missions. It is expected to cost about $27,000 per hour to fly the F-15X. That's about $5,000 less than an F-15E.

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The F-15X is being pitched to complement existing F-22 Raptors and F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, to handle various missions where there is little risk of being shot down by surface-to-air missiles.

The view of only flying stealthy, fifth-generation fighters solo into battle without a complement of other other jets "appears to be going away,"

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Looking to the future, the sources said, the F-15X is ideally suited to carry hypersonic weapons


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https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2018/07/heres-look-new-f-15x-boeing-pitching-us-air-force/150039/?oref=d-mostread
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 31/07/2018 | 09:03 uur
Boeing's new F-15X may replace an aging fleet of F-15C/D Eagles

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/07/30/boeings-new-f-15x-may-replace-an-aging-fleet-of-f-15cd-eagles/


Als de VS besluit om de F-15X aan te schaffen als vulling ipv een tig-tal F-35 en ook als vervanging van de oudste C/D-versie's dan zou dat wel een hernieuwde boost kunnen geven voor de verkoop van de F-15.
En met name zit ik naar onze Oosterburen te denken, de vervanging van de Tornado. Voor de hand (voor hun) zou zijn om de Tornado te vervangen door de Eurofighter Typhoon, maar de inzetbaarheid van dit type ligt onder zware druk en het weer kunnen gebruiken van de B61 bom zou zo een draai kunnen geven dat de F-15X voor Duitsland een zeer serieuze optie is geworden. Zeker als de F-15X in grote aantallen geproduceerd gaat worden en hierdoor de aanschaf kosten en dus ook de onderdelen prijzen zullen dalen en daarmee ook de onderhoudskosten.

Israel heeft ook al zijn voorkeur aangegeven ten koste van de F-35, dit zal voor de ontwikkeling/productie van de F-15's en voor de X-versie een positief effect hebben. 

Die next-EU fighter ?... dat duurt nog wel even ...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 31/07/2018 | 18:17 uur
De F15 is obsolete. Het kan als je geld en middelen genoeg hebt om er eem gemixte vloot op na te houden. De F15 gebruik je als de dreiging laag is en wordt de dreiging hoog dan stap je in de F35. Dus geen optie voor Duitsland.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 31/07/2018 | 22:27 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 31/07/2018 | 18:17 uur
De F15 is obsolete. Het kan als je geld en middelen genoeg hebt om er eem gemixte vloot op na te houden. De F15 gebruik je als de dreiging laag is en wordt de dreiging hoog dan stap je in de F35. Dus geen optie voor Duitsland.

De F15 is ongeslagen in dog fighting en wat ik van de F15X begrijp is dat deze een moderne versie is van de F15SE Silent Eagle.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 31/07/2018 | 22:37 uur
Indian Air Force launches new effort to revamp Jaguar fleet

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/07/26/indian-air-force-launches-new-effort-to-revamp-jaguar-fleet/

Zal waarschijnlijk weer een fiasco programma gaan worden tenzij men de hulp inroept van de Israëlische defensie industrie deze hebben daar de kennis voor in huis met het updaten van de   Kfir Block 60.

https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/index.php?topic=26606.0
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 31/07/2018 | 22:47 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 31/07/2018 | 22:27 uur
De F15 is ongeslagen in dog fighting en wat ik van de F15X begrijp is dat deze een moderne versie is van de F15SE Silent Eagle.

Het blijft een 4th gen fighter. Of 4.5 als je wil.

Daarbij zijn klassieke dogfights echt niet meer van deze tijd.

https://www.businessinsider.nl/f-35-slaughters-competition-red-flag-2017-2/?international=true&r=UK

http://www.businessinsider.com/f-35-vs-f-15-dogfights-2018-3

https://www.businessinsider.nl/f35-pilot-f-35-can-excel-dogfighting-2017-1/?international=true&r=UK
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 31/07/2018 | 22:57 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 31/07/2018 | 22:37 uur
Indian Air Force launches new effort to revamp Jaguar fleet

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/07/26/indian-air-force-launches-new-effort-to-revamp-jaguar-fleet/

Zal waarschijnlijk weer een fiasco programma gaan worden tenzij men de hulp inroept van de Israëlische defensie industrie deze hebben daar de kennis voor in huis met het updaten van de   Kfir Block 60.

Hoe bedoel je? De Kfir is afgeleid van de Mirage.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 31/07/2018 | 22:58 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 31/07/2018 | 22:47 uur
Het blijft een 4th gen fighter. Of 4.5 als je wil.

Daarbij zijn klassieke dogfights echt niet meer van deze tijd.

https://www.businessinsider.nl/f-35-slaughters-competition-red-flag-2017-2/?international=true&r=UK

http://www.businessinsider.com/f-35-vs-f-15-dogfights-2018-3

In Australië heeft een defensie denktank een simulatie gedaan van 240 F18 SE's tegen 240 Su 35's daar van de 240  F18 SE's overleefde geen een toestel de dogfights, daarna heeft men een  simulatie gedaan van 240 F35's tegen 240 Su 35's een handjevol F35's overleefde de dogfights, daarna heeft men een  simulatie gedaan van 240  F22's tegen 240  Su 35's geen van de Su 35's overleefde de dogfights.
De Su 35 is geen 4.5 gen fighter maar een 4.75 gen fighter doordat deze de techniek heeft van Su-57 gezien het feit dat de VS te weinig F22's heeft lijkt mij een F15X een uitstekende keuze tegen de Su 35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 31/07/2018 | 23:02 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 31/07/2018 | 22:57 uur
Hoe bedoel je? De Kfir is afgeleid van de Mirage.

Dat klopt maar de Israelischers hebben de kennis in huis om oudere toestellen te voorzien van een update ook met de A-4 Skyhawk en de F-4 Phantom II hebben ze regelmatig voorzien van een update zonder hulp van de Amerikanen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 31/07/2018 | 23:07 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 31/07/2018 | 22:58 uur
In Australië heeft een defensie denktank een simulatie gedaan van 240 F18 SE's tegen 240 Su 35's daar van de 240  F18 SE's overleefde geen een toestel de dogfights, daarna heeft men een  simulatie gedaan van 240 F35's tegen 240 Su 35's een handjevol F35's overleefde de dogfights, daarna heeft men een  simulatie gedaan van 240  F22's tegen 240  Su 35's geen van de Su 35's overleefde de dogfights.
De Su 35 is geen 4.5 gen fighter maar een 4.75 gen fighter doordat deze de techniek heeft van Su-57 gezien het feit dat de VS te weinig F22's heeft lijkt mij een F15X een uitstekende keuze tegen de Su 35.

Als de VS dat doet is prima, ik zei al eerder dat al je je een mix kunt veroorloven is het niet zo'n probleem. Maar een land als Duitsland moet het net als ons van 1 type hebben.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/08/2018 | 09:52 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 31/07/2018 | 22:47 uur
Het blijft een 4th gen fighter. Of 4.5 als je wil.

De F-15A/B/C/D/J Eagle en F-15E/I/K/S/SA/SG Strike Eagle zullen voor altijd tot de 4e generatie behoren. Ongeacht welke upgrades ze ook krijgen. Rafale en Typhoon zijn wel 4.5 generatie.

Mocht de F-15X er komen, dan zie ik een land als Qatar er wel voor aan dat zij deze willen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 01/08/2018 | 10:08 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 01/08/2018 | 09:52 uur
De F-15A/B/C/D/J Eagle en F-15E/I/K/S/SA/SG Strike Eagle zullen voor altijd tot de 4e generatie behoren. Ongeacht welke upgrades ze ook krijgen. Rafale en Typhoon zijn wel 4.5 generatie.

Mocht de F-15X er komen, dan zie ik een land als Qatar er wel voor aan dat zij deze willen.

De silent Eagle is 4.5 gen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/08/2018 | 10:27 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 01/08/2018 | 10:08 uur
De silent Eagle is 4.5 gen.

De Silent Eagle is de uitzondering en dan nog is het gebaseerd op een 4e generatie casco.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 01/08/2018 | 10:31 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 01/08/2018 | 10:27 uur
De Silent Eagle is de uitzondering en dan nog is het gebaseerd op een 4e generatie casco.

Correct.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 01/08/2018 | 10:56 uur
The F-15X is the missile-hauler the Air Force needs for a stand-off fight    (de gedachte achter de F-15X)

The US Air Force has been secretly organizing a plan to replace its F-15 C/D fleet with brand spanking new F-15X Eagle air superiority fighters, the Drive reported on Wednesday. This move could take the heat off of the service's handful of F-22 Raptors or make up for F-35 shortcomings — and cushion the expenses involved in operating and maintaining two 5th-generation fighters.

Originally commissioned in the mid-'70s to take on Soviet hordes over the skies of Europe, the Eagle has become a staple in the warzones of the Middle East and Central Asia. The age of the Air Force's 200-plus Eagle fighters has been a cause for concern — especially as they age faster than F-35s are getting operational.

The F-35 is a Swiss army knife of an aircraft, laden with stealth features and air-to-ground missions, making it a less capable dogfighter than the F-15 in close quarters. And if the F-35 is used as a stand-off missile-hauler, carrying a full complement of 16 air-to-air missiles on external pylons, it loses the stealth characteristics that make it so valuable (and pricey).

The F-15, on the other hand, is arguably the king of 4th-gen air to air fighters. Boeing has continued to refine the internal avionics of the Eagle, exporting upgraded variants to Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar.

The proposed F-15X would be able to hold 22 air-to-air missiles, and would slide right into the systems already in place to field and service the F-15 C/D fleet. The F-15X's weapons loadout would make it a beast in any "Beyond Visual Range" fight, and in the age of China's anti-access/area denial strategy or A2/D2, BVR will be the name of the game in the opening phase of any hypothetical conflict in Asia.

The F-15X will feature a new pylon system allowing it to handle heavier weapons loads, upgraded electronic warfare suites, an electronically scanned radar array, and even a sweet new multi-function sensor known as the "Legion Pod." It will also feature the relatively low, low price of $27,000 per flight hour to fly, compared to the $35,000 it costs to fly the Raptor for an hour.

In the novel Ghost Fleet, reliance on 5th-gen fighters paints Uncle Sam into a corner when a war kicks off with China and Russia in the Pacific. In this nightmare scenario, the U.S. Air Force pulls retired F-15s out of bone-yards to supplement the skeleton fleet of F-22s and F-35s that survived the surprise attack.

Well, at least that's one war scenario we can actually preempt now.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/f-15x-is-the-missile-hauler-the-air-force-needs-for-a-stand-off-fight-2018-7?international=true&r=UK&IR=T
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/08/2018 | 11:23 uur
Citaat van: Business Insider op 01/08/2018 | 10:56 uur
The F-15X is the missile-hauler the Air Force needs for a stand-off fight

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The F-35 is a Swiss army knife of an aircraft, laden with stealth features and air-to-ground missions, making it a less capable dogfighter than the F-15 in close quarters. And if the F-35 is used as a stand-off missile-hauler, carrying a full complement of 16 air-to-air missiles on external pylons, it loses the stealth characteristics that make it so valuable (and pricey).


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The proposed F-15X would be able to hold 22 air-to-air missiles, and would slide right into the systems already in place to field and service the F-15 C/D fleet. The F-15X's weapons loadout would make it a beast in any "Beyond Visual Range" fight, and in the age of China's anti-access/area denial strategy or A2/D2, BVR will be the name of the game in the opening phase of any hypothetical conflict in Asia.



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http://uk.businessinsider.com/f-15x-is-the-missile-hauler-the-air-force-needs-for-a-stand-off-fight-2018-7?international=true&r=UK&IR=T

Dus het is wel erg als de F-35 voor de maximale air-to-air bewapening (6 x intern + 10 x extern) de externe pylons nodig heeft, maar bij de F-15X en 22 air-to-air missiles niet? Boeing heeft al meerdere malen de quad launcher laten zien en ik vraag mij af of dit niet teveel weerstand geeft. En met zulke aantallen zijn de conformal fuel tanks (CFT) nodig, omdat dan onder de vleugels de 600 US gallon tanks niet meer kunnen worden gedragen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/08/2018 | 11:32 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 01/08/2018 | 11:23 uur
Dus het is wel erg als de F-35 voor de maximale air-to-air bewapening (6 x intern + 10 x extern) de externe pylons nodig heeft, maar bij de F-15X en 22 air-to-air missiles niet? Boeing heeft al meerdere malen de quad launcher laten zien en ik vraag mij af of dit niet teveel weerstand geeft. En met zulke aantallen zijn de conformal fuel tanks (CFT) nodig, omdat dan onder de vleugels de 600 US gallon tanks niet meer kunnen worden gedragen.

Als ze dan toch missile-trucks willen laat ze dan de uit te faseren B1B ombouwen tot bulk platform en/of de nieuwe B21 deze mogelijkheid geven.

Nu een serie van enkele honderden nieuwe F15 varianten bestellen staat wellicht de ontwikkeling van de F/X in de weg.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 01/08/2018 | 18:55 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 01/08/2018 | 11:23 uur
Dus het is wel erg als de F-35 voor de maximale air-to-air bewapening (6 x intern + 10 x extern) de externe pylons nodig heeft, maar bij de F-15X en 22 air-to-air missiles niet? Boeing heeft al meerdere malen de quad launcher laten zien en ik vraag mij af of dit niet teveel weerstand geeft. En met zulke aantallen zijn de conformal fuel tanks (CFT) nodig, omdat dan onder de vleugels de 600 US gallon tanks niet meer kunnen worden gedragen.

Sowieso zie je dat vliegende tennisveld (https://www.pacificaviationmuseum.org/pearl-harbor-blog/mcdonnell-douglas-f-15-eagle/) al op 500 kilometer aan komen bij wijze van spreken, met of zonder bewapening...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/08/2018 | 19:11 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 01/08/2018 | 18:55 uur
Sowieso zie je dat vliegende tennisveld (https://www.pacificaviationmuseum.org/pearl-harbor-blog/mcdonnell-douglas-f-15-eagle/) al op 500 kilometer aan komen bij wijze van spreken, met of zonder bewapening...

Maar in mijn ogen nog steeds één van de mooiste vliegende tennisvelden  8)  ;D

Zag ze vroeger van 32nd TFS/Soesterberg zomers regelmatig langs de kust.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 01/08/2018 | 19:38 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 01/08/2018 | 19:11 uur
Maar in mijn ogen nog steeds één van de mooiste vliegende tennisvelden  8)  ;D

Zag ze vroeger van 32nd TFS/Soesterberg zomers regelmatig langs de kust.

Absoluut een mooi toestel idd. Alhoewel ik meer een liefhebber van de F4 ben...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/08/2018 | 19:42 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 01/08/2018 | 19:38 uur
Absoluut een mooi toestel idd. Alhoewel ik meer een liefhebber van de F4 ben...

Twee J79 turbojets van een Duitse F-4F bij een demo op de open dagen jaren geleden waren ook indrukwekkend. De F-4 op Soesterberg heb ik helaas gemist. 32nd TFS wisselde van type in mijn geboortejaar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 01/08/2018 | 19:53 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 01/08/2018 | 18:55 uur
Sowieso zie je dat vliegende tennisveld (https://www.pacificaviationmuseum.org/pearl-harbor-blog/mcdonnell-douglas-f-15-eagle/) al op 500 kilometer aan komen bij wijze van spreken, met of zonder bewapening...
In de kandidaten evaluatie F-16 vervanger van 2000 / 2002 speelden Low Observable (LO) / stealth capaciteiten geen grote rol van betekenis.
Heeft allemaal te maken met de conclusies van Thales NL en het TNO, dat LO vaardigheden controversieel zijn.  Want in de kwaliteit van radar systemen zit een veel groter groei potentieel dan in die van de LO kwaliteiten van een jachtvliegtuig type.

Wat wel een grote rol speelden, waren sensoren-pakket, hun kwaliteiten en sensor-fusie.   Deze focus op sensoren vaardigheden zagen we ook in de Zwitserse jachtvliegtuig evaluatie aan het begin van dit decennium.
De F-35A won deze KLu evaluatie dan ook.  Maar het verschil met de Rafale F4 was nou ook weer niet zo groot.  De F-35 behaalde 10 % meer evaluatie punten.
Tussen de nummers 2 en de derde en vierde, respectievelijk Typhoon en Gripen zat wel een aardig verschil.

Een kandidaten vergelijking van de Belgische Luchtcomponent concludeert echter dat de meest moderne Rafale variant en Gripen E qua sensor-fusie de F-35A hebben ingehaald en nu op de F-35A voor liggen.
McDonnell Douglas / Boeing heeft eind jaren 80 / begin jaren 90 al eens een F-15 XXI voorgesteld als goedkoper alternatief voor de F-22A Raptor.
De F-15 XXI zou 90 % van de F-22A prestaties en capaciteiten bezitten tegen 60 % van de F-22A kosten.

Dus, als die F-15X een even goed of zelfs beter sensoren-pakket en een betere sensor-fusie krijgt dan de F-35, dan komen de kaarten weer anders te liggen.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/08/2018 | 20:05 uur
yh
Citaat van: Poleme op 01/08/2018 | 19:53 uur
Wat wel een grote rol speelden, waren sensoren-pakket, hun kwaliteiten en sensor-fusie.   Deze focus op sensoren vaardigheden zagen we ook in de Zwitserse jachtvliegtuig evaluatie aan het begin van dit decennium.
De F-35A won deze KLu evaluatie dan ook.  Maar het verschil met de Rafale F4 was nou ook weer niet zo groot.  De F-35 behaalde 10 % meer evaluatie punten.
Tussen de nummers 2 en de derde en vierde, respectievelijk Typhoon en Gripen zat wel een aardig verschil.

Een kandidaten vergelijking van de Belgische Luchtcomponent concludeert echter dat de meest moderne Rafale variant en Gripen E qua sensor-fusie de F-35A hebben ingehaald en nu op de F-35A voor liggen.

Welke Rafale variant is meegenomen in de kandidaten vergelijking? De F3R of de F4?

Ben wel benieuwd hoe groot het verschil is wanneer de Rafale F4 daadwerkelijk operationeel is. Alles krijgt updates en upgrades.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 01/08/2018 | 21:19 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 01/08/2018 | 19:53 uur
Een kandidaten vergelijking van de Belgische Luchtcomponent concludeert echter dat de meest moderne Rafale variant en Gripen E qua sensor-fusie de F-35A hebben ingehaald en nu op de F-35A voor liggen.

Bron?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/08/2018 | 21:28 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 01/08/2018 | 19:53 uur
Dus, als die F-15X een even goed of zelfs beter sensoren-pakket en een betere sensor-fusie krijgt dan de F-35, dan komen de kaarten weer anders te liggen.

Houdbaar tot de volgende update?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 01/08/2018 | 22:06 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 01/08/2018 | 19:53 uur

Dus, als die F-15X een even goed of zelfs beter sensoren-pakket en een betere sensor-fusie krijgt dan de F-35, dan komen de kaarten weer anders te liggen.

Nee. Jij kunt wel beweren dat stealth helemaal niet belangrijk gevonden wordt maar dat is echt nonsens, hoe je daar bij komt is mij dan ook een volstrekt raadsel. Daarbij, als de radars beter worden en daar zitten ook gewoon grenzen aan want radars zijn vwb gevoeligheid nu al prima in staat om stealth toestellen op te pikken maar ze verzuipen gewoon in de achtergrondruis... Want dat wordt net zo hard opgepikt... Hoe later je getracked kunt worden hoe beter, ja tracken, dat je met een EW radar gezien wordt is niet zo spannend... Als de F35 pas op 5 kilometer getracked kan worden en de F15 vanwege zijn grootte en vorm al op 150 kilometer hoef je niet zo lang na te denken waar je in wil zitten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 01/08/2018 | 22:08 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/08/2018 | 21:28 uur
Houdbaar tot de volgende update?

Het is natuurlijk ook bullshit argumentatie. Elk toestel wordt voorzien van de meest walgelijke updates in de loop der jaren, dat kan allemaal maar dat schijnt bij de F35 een onmogelijkheid te zijn, althans, dat het mogelijk is wil er bij niemand in ofzo. Die komt orgineel van de fabriek af en daar moet die het de komende 50 jaar mee doen ofzo... Echt... :silent:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 02/08/2018 | 08:24 uur
Ik zit me vooral af te vragen over welke Belgische vergelijking hij het heeft.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/08/2018 | 10:06 uur
Europe's fighter jet biz: finally getting its act together?

http://ati.ms/JXkBSo via @asiatimesonline
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 06/08/2018 | 16:21 uur
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dj6_sk4UwAE_ArM.jpg:large)

Light attack komt er!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 06/08/2018 | 17:19 uur
Huh wat?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 06/08/2018 | 18:14 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 06/08/2018 | 17:19 uur
Huh wat?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_Attack/Armed_Reconnaissance
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/08/2018 | 18:23 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 06/08/2018 | 18:14 uur
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_Attack/Armed_Reconnaissance

En hoort eigenlijk in onderstaand topic thuis.

https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/index.php?topic=28237.0
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 06/08/2018 | 18:32 uur
Maar hoezo is dit nieuws dat met enthousiasme wordt gepresenteerd? Geen europese markt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/08/2018 | 13:26 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 12/08/2018 | 13:34 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/08/2018 | 13:26 uur
Video weg gelaten i.v.m. ruimte in het topic

Dit is iets dat in mijn ogen cruciaal gaat zijn de komende jaren, iets dat ook ontwikkeld zou moeten worden voor de F-35 maar dan wel dat de kist stealth blijft (stealth pod) of nog beter intern gedragen maar ik betwijfel of dat mogelijk is. Het zou in de vorm kunnen zoals nu de Gunpod hangt bij de B en C versies zodat de overige hardpoints en de weaponbays vrij blijven.
Zeker voor kleine landen zoals Nederland, België, Denemarken en Noorwegen kan een EW versie van de F-35 heel belangrijk zijn bij complexe operaties omdat die geen budget hebben om meerdere type fighters te opereren, en je niet altijd afhankelijk wilt zijn van een grote partner voor het uitvoeren van specifieke operaties.

Dit is alleen haalbaar als je beschikt over genoeg jets dus +/- 52 ''fighters'' & +/- 12 ''EW's'' zou voor Nederland een indeling kunnen zijn.

Het schijnt dat de fabrikant (Terma) van de gunpod ook werkt aan een ''cyberpod'' samen met een niet nader genoemd bedrijf (Northrop Grumman of Raytheon) waarmee de elektronische aanval capaciteit van de F-35 verder uitgebreid kan worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/08/2018 | 13:47 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 12/08/2018 | 13:34 uur
Dit is iets dat in mijn ogen cruciaal gaat zijn de komende jaren, iets dat ook ontwikkeld zou moeten worden voor de F-35 maar dan wel dat de kist stealth blijft (stealth pod) of nog beter intern gedragen maar ik betwijfel of dat mogelijk is. Het zou in de vorm kunnen zoals nu de Gunpod hangt bij de B en C versies zodat de overige hardpoints en de weaponbays vrij blijven.
Zeker voor kleine landen zoals Nederland, België, Denemarken en Noorwegen kan een EW versie van de F-35 heel belangrijk zijn bij complexe operaties omdat die geen budget hebben om meerdere type fighters te opereren, en je niet altijd afhankelijk wilt zijn van een grote partner voor het uitvoeren van specifieke operaties.

Het is dat wij niet weten wat de daadwerkelijke EW capaciteiten van de F-35 zijn. Hier in Europa zijn er op het gebied van EW fighters alleen de Tornado ECR van Duitsland en Italië. Het is niet bekend door wat deze wordt vervangen. Het zou zomaar kunnen zijn dat Italië straks ook hun F-35A voor EW zal gebruiken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 12/08/2018 | 13:53 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/08/2018 | 13:47 uur
Het is dat wij niet weten wat de daadwerkelijke EW capaciteiten van de F-35 zijn. Hier in Europa zijn er op het gebied van EW fighters alleen de Tornado ECR van Duitsland en Italië. Het is niet bekend door wat deze wordt vervangen. Het zou zomaar kunnen zijn dat Italië straks ook hun F-35A voor EW zal gebruiken.

Die capaciteiten zijn (logisch) geheim op dit moment maar dat er meerdere fabrikanten werken aan extra EW capaciteit betekend wel dat er interesse voor is. En Duitsland, Italië en Frankrijk zijn landen die genoeg ruimte/budget hebben voor het opereren van meerdere type toestellen daar kunnen ze een minder duur toestel gebruiken in de rol voor EW maar wat ik al zei voor de kleine landen is dat niet haalbaar en zou een EW F-35 een enorme capaciteits uitbreiding zijn en daarom dus ook een goede ontwikkeling. En Italië zou dat zeker kunnen doen, eerst maar zien wat ze daar doen met hun F-35 plannen want dat beeld is niet positief op dit moment.

Voor de Denen zou het ook iets kunnen zijn dat zij kunnen invoeren om hun defensie industrie (Terma) te steunen en proberen het te exporteren waarbij de productie in Denemarken kan liggen van deze pods. Ook Nederland maakt veel gebruik van Terma producten dus daar zie ik ook wel iets positiefs in.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 12/08/2018 | 16:47 uur
Tijdens de open dagen 2016 in Leeuwarden werd er toch gehint dat de F35 ook stoor en jam capaciteiten bezit/ gaat bezitten, of was dit ook een konijn dat nog niet uit de hoge hoed mocht. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 12/08/2018 | 16:51 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 12/08/2018 | 16:47 uur
Tijdens de open dagen 2016 in Leeuwarden werd er toch gehint dat de F35 ook stoor en jam capaciteiten bezit/ gaat bezitten, of was dit ook een konijn dat nog niet uit de hoge hoed mocht.
Het is bekend dat de F-35 jammer capaciteit heeft maar dit is niet vergelijkbaar met een EA-18G, dat toestel draagt nog extra pods met jammers waardoor de capaciteit groter is, daarnaast maakt de stealth het toestel ook nog minder zichtbaar dan de EA-18G. Ik heb vandaag een artikel gelezen over de capaciteit van de F-35 in EW rol, als ik de link gevonden heb zal ik het posten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 12/08/2018 | 16:58 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 12/08/2018 | 13:34 uur
Dit is iets dat in mijn ogen cruciaal gaat zijn de komende jaren, iets dat ook ontwikkeld zou moeten worden voor de F-35 maar dan wel dat de kist stealth blijft (stealth pod) of nog beter intern gedragen maar ik betwijfel of dat mogelijk is. Het zou in de vorm kunnen zoals nu de Gunpod hangt bij de B en C versies zodat de overige hardpoints en de weaponbays vrij blijven.
Zeker voor kleine landen zoals Nederland, België, Denemarken en Noorwegen kan een EW versie van de F-35 heel belangrijk zijn bij complexe operaties omdat die geen budget hebben om meerdere type fighters te opereren, en je niet altijd afhankelijk wilt zijn van een grote partner voor het uitvoeren van specifieke operaties.

Dit is alleen haalbaar als je beschikt over genoeg jets dus +/- 52 ''fighters'' & +/- 12 ''EW's'' zou voor Nederland een indeling kunnen zijn.

Het schijnt dat de fabrikant (Terma) van de gunpod ook werkt aan een ''cyberpod'' samen met een niet nader genoemd bedrijf (Northrop Grumman of Raytheon) waarmee de elektronische aanval capaciteit van de F-35 verder uitgebreid kan worden.

Op het moment dat je actief gaat jammen met de F35  heb je je stealth overboord gegooid. Dat is wel iets om rekening mee te houden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 12/08/2018 | 17:03 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 12/08/2018 | 16:58 uur
Op het moment dat je actief gaat jammen met de F35  heb je je stealth overboord gegooid. Dat is wel iets om rekening mee te houden.
Ja dan natuurlijk wel maar als je in de aanloop daar naartoe minder goed zichtbaar bent is dat natuurlijk wel een voordeel.
En het voordeel voor kleinere luchtmachten met een F-35 & ''EA-35'' is er wel de mogelijkheid om die capaciteit te bezitten met slechts 1 type fighter.


En HIER  (https://www.quora.com/Can-the-F-35-do-everything-the-new-F-18-Growler-can-do-in-terms-of-Electronic-Attack-abilities-Compare-contrast-Please) de link naar het beloofde artikel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 12/08/2018 | 17:06 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 12/08/2018 | 17:03 uur
Ja dan natuurlijk wel maar als je in de aanloop daar naartoe minder goed zichtbaar bent is dat natuurlijk wel een voordeel.
En het voordeel voor kleinere luchtmachten met een F-35 & ''EA-35'' is er wel de mogelijkheid om die capaciteit te bezitten met slechts 1 type fighter.


En HIER  (https://www.quora.com/Can-the-F-35-do-everything-the-new-F-18-Growler-can-do-in-terms-of-Electronic-Attack-abilities-Compare-contrast-Please) de link naar het beloofde artikel.

Kortom een pod, net zoals we nu al hebben met de AN/ALQ-131 onder de F16. Er bestaat dus geen reden om een speciale EW versie op te tuigen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 12/08/2018 | 17:10 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 12/08/2018 | 17:06 uur
Kortom een pod, net zoals we nu al hebben met de AN/ALQ-131 onder de F16. Er bestaat dus geen reden om een speciale EW versie op te tuigen.

Dat is ook wat ik zeg ; Terma werkt aan een pod oplossing (ik vermoed op basis van de gunpod). Zou je dit aanvullen met 2 underwing pods maakt een sterke EW kist.
En of je dit nu modulair onder de standaard kist hangt of een x aantal speciaal aankoopt voor deze uitrusting hangt af van je doctrine en/of budget. Ik noem het met die pods dan voor het onderscheid de EA-35, maar je kan dan zonder moeite terug naar standaard F-35 als het moet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/08/2018 | 17:16 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 12/08/2018 | 17:10 uur
Dat is ook wat ik zeg ; Terma werkt aan een pod oplossing (ik vermoed op basis van de gunpod). Zou je dit aanvullen met 2 underwing pods maakt een sterke EW kist.
En of je dit nu modulair onder de standaard kist hangt of een x aantal speciaal aankoopt voor deze uitrusting hangt af van je doctrine en/of budget. Ik noem het met die pods dan voor het onderscheid de EA-35, maar je kan dan zonder moeite terug naar standaard F-35 als het moet.

Terma gebruikt de multi-mission pod (gun pod). Deze is overigens alleen voor de centerline station.

De USMC gebruikt na het verdwijnen van hun EA-6B Prowler binnenkort de F-35B, maar zonder externe pods.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 12/08/2018 | 17:30 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/08/2018 | 17:16 uur
Terma gebruikt de multi-mission pod (gun pod). Deze is overigens alleen voor de centerline station.

De USMC gebruikt na het verdwijnen van hun EA-6B Prowler binnenkort de F-35B, maar zonder externe pods.

Wat ik bedoelde was load-out in ongeveer de onderstaande variant

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-bQ6mjoe4hyU%2FURlvUS3Y8OI%2FAAAAAAAAB70%2Fovn-PvuHwe0%2Fs1600%2FF35%2Bpayload%2Bdata%2B2012.bmp&hash=8de84380fa238af88d5a4d2932f3727d3c832977)

Hardpoint 1 + 11 voor sidewinders
Hardpoint 2 + 10 voor EA pods
Hardpoint 3 + 9 voor fuelpods
Hardpoint 6 voor de grote EA pod op basis van de ''gunpod''

Mocht de binnenkant [hardpoints 4,5,7 en 8] nog bruikbaar zijn dan kan je daar denken iets vergelijkbaar aan MALD Decoy's die valse doelen creëren zodat de vijandige radars in de war raken of extra bewapening tegen grond/luchtdoelen. Wat wel een nadeel is dat het stealth grotendeels weg is door het dragen van externe pods, tenzij deze ook stealth zijn maar je verliest altijd iets van de stealth.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 12/08/2018 | 17:58 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 12/08/2018 | 16:58 uur
Op het moment dat je actief gaat jammen met de F35  heb je je stealth overboord gegooid. Dat is wel iets om rekening mee te houden.
Klopt, maar een steels / Low Observable (LO) jachtvliegtuig hoeft ook minder stoor kilo-Watt's in te zetten dan een niet-LO kist.
Dus een Lower Probability of Intercept.

En wat als de ASQ-239 in de F-35 of het Spectre aan boord van de Rafale ingezet worden als "actieve annulering", dus een actieve vorm van LO tegen vijandelijke (vuurleiding) radars.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 12/08/2018 | 18:04 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/08/2018 | 13:47 uur
Het is dat wij niet weten wat de daadwerkelijke EW capaciteiten van de F-35 zijn. Hier in Europa zijn er op het gebied van EW fighters alleen de Tornado ECR van Duitsland en Italië. Het is niet bekend door wat deze wordt vervangen. Het zou zomaar kunnen zijn dat Italië straks ook hun F-35A voor EW zal gebruiken.
De F-35 heeft het passieve en actieve EW / EOV AN/ASQ-239 Barracuda  systeem.  Maar de Rafale (Spectre-systeem) en Gripen hebben vergelijkbare, eveneens interne, EOV systemen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/08/2018 | 18:27 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 12/08/2018 | 18:04 uur
Maar de Rafale (Spectre-systeem) en Gripen hebben vergelijkbare, eveneens interne, EOV systemen.

Zouden de Rafale en Gripen de taak van de Tornado ECR over kunnen nemen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 12/08/2018 | 18:42 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 12/08/2018 | 17:58 uur
Klopt, maar een steels / Low Observable (LO) jachtvliegtuig hoeft ook minder stoor kilo-Watt's in te zetten dan een niet-LO kist.
Dus een Lower Probability of Intercept.

Feitelijk hoef je helemaal geen EW in te zetten zolang je niet gezien wordt. Maar als je eenmaal getracked gaat worden moet je net zo hard storen als elk ander toestel om een break lock te forceren of wat voor techniek je ook wil inzetten, het gaat dan niet om je eigen toestel maar om de radar van de andere kant, die moet je jammen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 12/08/2018 | 19:41 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/08/2018 | 18:27 uur
Zouden de Rafale en Gripen de taak van de Tornado ECR over kunnen nemen?
De Tornado ECR heeft net als de F-4G Wild Weasel een Emitter Locating System (ELS) aan boord.
Heeft de ELS eenmaal een radar opgespoord, gelokaliseerd, geïdentificeerd en volgt die hem, dan volgt een aanval met HARM anti-radar straling raketten.
Storen / jammen doen / deden de Tornado ECR en F-4G met externe pods.

De dreiging van grond-lucht raketten is echter aanzienlijk toegenomen.
Kisten zoals de Rafale, F-35 en Gripen moeten zo een ELS aan boord hebben om te overleven.  Zodat ze in eerste plaats een gelokaliseerde vijandelijke radar bron kunnen ontwijken.
Storen gebeurt nu hoofdzakelijk met interne en geïntegreerde EOV systemen, die ook samenwerkt met de ELS.
  Kan of wil men niet storen, dan heeft men via de ELS voldoende nauwkeurige vuurleiding gegevens voor inzet van geleide stand-off lucht-grond wapens zoals de Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) of kruisvluchtwapens (kruisraketten).

Daarnaast speelt de ELS ook een belangrijke rol bij de inzet van Beyond Visual Range (BVR) lucht-lucht wapens.
Ik waag mij absoluut niet aan de voorspelling dat er in de toekomst geen Within Visual Range (WVR) dogfights meer zullen gaan plaats vinden.
Maar de US Air Force had eind jaren 70, begin jaren 80 al de doctrine dat de zeer dure F-15 Eagle het BVR gevecht zou voeren.
Voor het veel riskantere WVR kring-gevecht werd de F-15 Eagle toen te duur geacht.   Dus moest de circa de helft goedkopere F-16 Fighting Falcon het 'vuile' WVR dogfight werk opknappen.
Een F-35A, Rafale, Typhoon of Gripen E is gewoon te duur voor het WVR gebeuren.
En deze types hebben dan ook aanzienlijk betere BVR sensoren en vaardigheden dan types zoals de F-16AM, F-16C en F-15C.
Zie de resultaten met de F-35A tijdens zijn eerste deelname aan een Red Flag oefening begin vorig jaar.
Feit is en blijft dat die resultaten veelbelovend zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 12/08/2018 | 21:23 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 12/08/2018 | 17:03 uur
Ja dan natuurlijk wel maar als je in de aanloop daar naartoe minder goed zichtbaar bent is dat natuurlijk wel een voordeel.
En het voordeel voor kleinere luchtmachten met een F-35 & ''EA-35'' is er wel de mogelijkheid om die capaciteit te bezitten met slechts 1 type fighter.


En HIER  (https://www.quora.com/Can-the-F-35-do-everything-the-new-F-18-Growler-can-do-in-terms-of-Electronic-Attack-abilities-Compare-contrast-Please) de link naar het beloofde artikel.

Dank U
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 12/08/2018 | 21:53 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 12/08/2018 | 17:10 uur
Dat is ook wat ik zeg ; Terma werkt aan een pod oplossing (ik vermoed op basis van de gunpod). Zou je dit aanvullen met 2 underwing pods maakt een sterke EW kist.
En of je dit nu modulair onder de standaard kist hangt of een x aantal speciaal aankoopt voor deze uitrusting hangt af van je doctrine en/of budget. Ik noem het met die pods dan voor het onderscheid de EA-35, maar je kan dan zonder moeite terug naar standaard F-35 als het moet.

Roger.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/08/2018 | 11:49 uur
After Years of Waiting, Blue Angels Set for 'Super' Upgrade

https://news.usni.org/2018/08/14/35796
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/08/2018 | 12:06 uur
The US Navy's fight to fix its worn-out Super Hornet fleet is making way

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2018/08/16/the-us-navys-fight-to-fix-its-worn-out-super-hornet-fleet-is-making-way/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/08/2018 | 12:10 uur
Could US politics impact Germany's next atomic warplane?

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/08/17/could-us-politics-impact-germanys-next-atomic-warplane/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 22/08/2018 | 16:57 uur
The consequences of cutting Turkey out of F-35 program

As US-Turkey ties continue their downward spiral, with both sides engaging in a tit-for-tat of sanctions and tariffs after Ankara refused to release an American pastor detained on terrorism charges, Turkey's future in the F-35 program is being held hostage. US President Donald Trump recently signed into law a defense spending bill that blocks the transfer of the fifth-generation fighter jet to Turkey. The legislation came just weeks after the first F-35 aircraft was delivered into Turkish possession, though the jet will remain on US soil for a training program.

While some lawmakers have brought up the case of the detained US citizen as one reason to hold up the F-35 transfer, the main concern cited by Congress was Ankara's decision to purchase the advanced Russian S-400 missile defense system. US Defense Secretary James Mattis has lobbied Congress to allow Turkey to remain in the program. An analysis published by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute on Tuesday explained why Mattis is concerned and why cutting Turkey out of the consortium will cause headaches for Australia and other participants.

"If Turkey is excluded from the JSF program, it would in turn cease providing components to the [F-35 Joint Strike Fighter] production line. That's why Secretary of Defense James Mattis opposed the proposal, arguing in a letter to Congress that, 'If the Turkish supply chain was disrupted today, it would result in an aircraft production break, delaying delivery of 50–75 F-35s, and would take approximately 18–24 months to re-source parts and recover,'" Marcus Hellyer wrote.

He added that Australia's air force is on a tight timeline to get up and running with 33 F-35s within the next three years, and a two-year production delay would derail those plans. Turkey was also assigned responsibility for engine deep maintenance in Europe, according to Hellyer, highlighting the degree of interdependence among the consortium members. At the same time, Australia shares the US concerns about Turkey's purchase of the Russian missile defense system.

"The JSF was designed to defeat high-end Russian air-defense systems such as the S-400. Russia will be very anxious to understand the JSF's electromagnetic signatures, in particular, its radar profile. [...]The Russian technicians who will be assisting the Turks to introduce and operate the S-400 will no doubt be collecting JSF signature data that can be used to develop tactics to defeat it," Hellyer speculated in the article.

"In a 'normal' world one would expect the flow of information to go in the other direction, with Turkey sharing key signature and performance data on the S-400 with other NATO members. But when a NATO member is planning to acquire Russian air-defense systems, we're not in a normal world anymore—not to mention Erdoğan's threats to find new and different allies."

[Source : atimes.com]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 22/08/2018 | 17:02 uur
Consequenties zitten er natuurlijk wel aan maar ik vraag me af of het wel uitleveren aan de Turken van de F-35 geen grotere consequenties hebben voor het toestel en de gebruikers.  Als de Turken  toegang geven aan de Russen en Chinezen om de F-35 te bestuderen dan is het risico groter dan een vertraging.

Gewoon snel zorgen dat de productie capaciteit in de VS of elders word opgebouwd en dan de deal opzeggen. Geen Risico alleen wat extra kosten.
En dat motor onderhoud? Dat gaat ook naar Nederland en Noorwegen dus op dat gebied kunnen we zonder de Turken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/08/2018 | 18:27 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 22/08/2018 | 18:12 uur
Ik denk dat de spanningen tussen Turkije en VS primair draaien om de Amerikaanse dominee Brunson die vast zit in Turkije en de Turkse geestelijk leider Gülen die Amerika niet wil uitleveren aan Turkije..en niet om de S400 order. Dat is meer een vind ik wat kinderachtige reactie van de Amerikanen omdat Turkije niet made in USA Patriots koopt en steeds meer voor Made In Turkey gaat. Verliest Amerika een belangrijke afzetmarkt door en wordt Turkije zo ook een stevige concurrent voor de Amerikanen bij de lucratieve orders in de islamitische landen. Want er zijn meer landen met Russische wapens..ook met S300 en S400 luchtdoelraketten.. die de ook F-35 aangeboden krijgen. Denk aan Griekenland en India. En straks mogelijk ook Saudi-Arabie als het conflict met Iran verder oploopt. Die hebben ook net een order voor Russische S400s geplaatst. Als de Chinezen door spionage en data-diefstal al zo goed op de hoogte zijn van de specificaties van de F-35 zijn de Russen dat ook. Daarbij zouden de Amerikanen ook meer te weten kunnen komen over de Russische S400 door de Turkse orders. Maar dat zijn ze vast ook al gezien de zeer geavanceerde Amerikaanse spionage capaciteiten.

Wel weer veel aannames en ik denk....

En sinds wanneer heeft men F35's aangeboden aan Griekenland en India?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 22/08/2018 | 18:29 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 22/08/2018 | 18:12 uur
Ik denk dat de spanningen tussen Turkije en VS primair draaien om de Amerikaanse dominee Brunson die vast zit in Turkije en de Turkse geestelijk leider Gülen die Amerika niet wil uitleveren aan Turkije..
Nee

Citaaten niet om de S400 order.
Ja , dat een van de fysieke vormen van de achterliggende gedachte waarom niemand meer in Turkije vertrouwt. Natuurlijk gaat het niet om de s-400 pur sang.

CitaatDat is meer een vind ik wat kinderachtige reactie van de Amerikanen omdat Turkije niet made in USA Patriots koopt en steeds meer voor Made In Turkey gaat.
Kijk, en hiermee toon je aan dat je geen bal snapt van het hele militaire apparaat, niet eens kennis hebt van verhoudingen en waarde van het bezitten van technologie met de dipomatieke en politieke kronkels die Turkije nu vertoont

CitaatVerliest Amerika een belangrijke afzetmarkt door
Paar miljard, boe-hoe. Het is dan veel beter om gewoon door te gaan met het in gevaar brengen van al je top technologie en daarmee het in gevaar brengen van de gehele alliantie. stupide 2.

Citaaten wordt Turkije zo ook een stevige concurrent voor de Amerikanen bij de lucratieve orders in de islamitische landen.
Waarom, omdat Turken ook moslim zijn? Nogmaals je snapt geen zak van het militaire apparaat en blijkbaar ook niet van het Midden-Oosten. Alles wat Turkije maakt is inferieur aan Westerse wapens, een kopie, en als het presteert heeft het 9 van de 10 keer meer onderdelen van westers fabrikaat dan domestic, net als dat van de Russen. Zonder Thales Frankrijk was de T-90 en T-14 ook een bijziend geval. Voor de Turken gaat dit nog veel en veel en veel verder.

CitaatWant er zijn meer landen met Russische wapens..
voornamelijk arme, niet interessante geitenbaarden landen

Citaatook met S300 en S400 luchtdoelraketten.. die de ook F-35 aangeboden krijgen.
je bent een held.
CitaatDenk aan Griekenland en India.
wederom bewijs je zelf hier hoe slecht je het hele plaatje snapt, Griekenland en Turkije vergelijken , stupide. En de F-35 aangeboden aan india, really. Ga weg. Dat is nooit gebeurt, volgens mij niet eens aan Griekenland. Waarom vertief je weer alles met je zelf bij elkaar gebreide diarree. Je verzint dingen.

CitaatEn straks mogelijk ook Saudi-Arabie als het conflict met Iran verder oploopt. Die hebben ook net een order voor Russische S400s geplaatst.
dan krijgen die de F-35 ook niet.

CitaatAls de Chinezen door spionage en data-diefstal al zo goed op de hoogte zijn van de specificaties van de F-35 zijn de Russen dat ook. Daarbij zouden de Amerikanen ook meer te weten kunnen komen over de Russische S400 door de Turkse orders. Maar dat zijn ze vast ook al gezien de zeer geavanceerde Amerikaanse spionage capaciteiten.
Je snapt niet hoe de militaire wereld werkt, nul. Je hebt theorie en praktijk. Hackende chinezen en een partner met toegang tot veel te veel informatie is een groot verschil.

Je bent echt m'n held.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 22/08/2018 | 18:54 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 22/08/2018 | 18:12 uur
Ik denk dat de spanningen tussen Turkije en VS primair draaien om de Amerikaanse dominee Brunson die vast zit in Turkije en de Turkse geestelijk leider Gülen die Amerika niet wil uitleveren aan Turkije..en niet om de S400 order. Dat is meer een vind ik wat kinderachtige reactie van de Amerikanen omdat Turkije niet made in USA Patriots koopt en steeds meer voor Made In Turkey gaat. Verliest Amerika een belangrijke afzetmarkt door en wordt Turkije zo ook een stevige concurrent voor de Amerikanen bij de lucratieve orders in de islamitische landen. Want er zijn meer landen met Russische wapens..ook met S300 en S400 luchtdoelraketten.. die de ook F-35 aangeboden krijgen. Denk aan Griekenland en India. En straks mogelijk ook Saudi-Arabie als het conflict met Iran verder oploopt. Die hebben ook net een order voor Russische S400s geplaatst. Als de Chinezen door spionage en data-diefstal al zo goed op de hoogte zijn van de specificaties van de F-35 zijn de Russen dat ook. Daarbij zouden de Amerikanen ook meer te weten kunnen komen over de Russische S400 door de Turkse orders. Maar dat zijn ze vast ook al gezien de zeer geavanceerde Amerikaanse spionage capaciteiten.

Het gaat om het totaal plaatje de dominee, de S-400 en vergeet ook niet de Turkse houding in het Syrie conflict. Dat alles maakt het dat het vertrouwen in elkaar afneemt, en dan ook nog het ''aanpappen'' met de Russen en Chinezen erbij dat maakt dat de technologie in de F-35 in gevaar komt en daarmee direct de nationale veiligheid van de VS en andere F-35 gebruikers.

Citaat van: Thomasen op 22/08/2018 | 18:31 uur
En as for de delays. Who cares. Dat toestel is 6 Times over budget, totally late, en de nieuwe toestellen kunnen zo van de productie lijn de upkeep line in om decennia oude technologie te updaten.

Die extra disruptie op 50-70 toestellen kan er ook wel bij. Zeker als je bang bent dat je technologie anders in vijandelijke handen valt.

Die vertraging zal allemaal wel mee vallen, ja er zullen een aantal toestellen vertraagd geleverd worden maar dat lijkt me wenselijker dan dat het toestel straks helemaal bekend is bij de mogelijke toekomstige vijand.  Als de Russen en Chinezen toegang hebben tot het toestel kunnen ook andere landen dat krijgen denk bijvoorbeeld aan Noord-Korea of Iran.
Als de technologie van de F-35 in handen komt van de Russen en/of Chinezen dan kunnen we met z'n alle opzoek naar een nieuwe fighter jet want de F-35 is dan waardeloos geworden in een conflict.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 22/08/2018 | 19:14 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 22/08/2018 | 18:58 uur
Russia Developing VTOL Aircraft on Instructions from President Putin
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/august-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/6449-russia-developing-vtol-aircraft-on-instructions-from-president-putin.html

Putin geeft instructies hoe ze het toestel moeten bouwen? Die man die kan ook echt alles ;D   :silent:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 22/08/2018 | 19:26 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 22/08/2018 | 19:14 uur
Putin geeft instructies hoe ze het toestel moeten bouwen? Die man die kan ook echt alles ;D   :silent:

Precies wat ik dacht, wat belachelijk.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/08/2018 | 19:35 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 22/08/2018 | 19:26 uur
Precies wat ik dacht, wat belachelijk.

Dit roepen is overigens geen nieuws, dat riepen ze een paar jaar geleden al, net als dat ze een evenknie aan het ontwikkelen zouden zijn voor de F35A met daarnaast een 6e generatie kist... iets met roebels houd ze tegen...

Voorlopig blijven ze hangen bij 12 SU-57, over een (voorlopig) mislukt verhaal gesproken.

Wat ik wel zie gebeuren is de MIG-41, de opvolger van de MIG-31 (en MIG-25), een relatief eenvoudige Mach 2,8-3 kist die als interceptor veel afstand op grote hoogte in beperkte tijd kan afleggen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 22/08/2018 | 19:44 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/08/2018 | 19:35 uur
Dit roepen is overigens geen nieuws, dat riepen ze een paar jaar geleden al, net als dat ze een evenknie aan het ontwikkelen zouden zijn voor de F35A met daarnaast een 6e generatie kist... iets met roebels houd ze tegen...

Voorlopig blijven ze hangen bij 12 SU-57, over een (voorlopig) mislukt verhaal gesproken.

Wat ik wel zie gebeuren is de MIG-41, de opvolger van de MIG-31 (en MIG-25), een relatief eenvoudige Mach 2,8-3 kist die als interceptor veel afstand op grote hoogte in beperkte tijd kan afleggen.
Begin jaren '90 was er een samenwerking tussen Yakovlev en Lockheed Martin op gebied van VTOL. Dit ging om de Yak-141M, terwijl LM op dat moment al werkte aan de X-35. In '92 heeft er een prototype (ontwikkeld met LM) op Farnborough airshow gestaan en gevlogen. Maar het jaar erna vloog het toestel al niet meer, in totaal waren er 4 prototypes gebouwd en is het om een of andere reden stopgezet.

Ik verwacht dat de basis van het nieuwe toestel ligt in de YAK-141M en men een nieuwe stealth body zal ontwikkelen maar het air frame wel in de basis gelijk blijft met nu dan waarschijnlijk een weapons bay omdat dat hoort bij een 5th gen toestel. 7 a 10 jaar ontwikkeling tot productie is zeer kort kijk maar naar de F-35, dus het kan geen 100% nieuwe kist zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 22/08/2018 | 19:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/08/2018 | 19:35 uur
Dit roepen is overigens geen nieuws, dat riepen ze een paar jaar geleden al, net als dat ze een evenknie aan het ontwikkelen zouden zijn voor de F35A met daarnaast een 6e generatie kist... iets met roebels houd ze tegen...

Voorlopig blijven ze hangen bij 12 SU-57, over een (voorlopig) mislukt verhaal gesproken.

Wat ik wel zie gebeuren is de MIG-41, de opvolger van de MIG-31 (en MIG-25), een relatief eenvoudige Mach 2,8-3 kist die als interceptor veel afstand op grote hoogte in beperkte tijd kan afleggen.

Nee het ging mij om 'on putins order' .. dat is echt belachelijk.
Infantiele manier om een statement te maken, het voegt namelijk niets toe. Het is dus vooral voor de Russen zelf geschreven, daarom is het nieuwsartikel belangrijker dan de inhoud, wat je zegt sluit er op aan. Dat ze dit al van plan waren.

En de Russen, we zouden ze eigelijk +- 40 jaar lang buiten de deur moeten houden, dan is het probleem vanzelf opgelost. De bevolking neemt af, braindrain, fossiele brandstoffen zijn de sleutel en zullen in de toekomst niet meer zo belangrijk meer zijn en ze zuipen zichzelf allemaal helemaal naar de pleuris.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 22/08/2018 | 19:52 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 22/08/2018 | 19:49 uur
Nee het ging mij om 'on putins order' .. dat is echt belachelijk.
Infantiele manier om een statement te maken, het voegt namelijk niets toe. Het is dus vooral voor de Russen zelf geschreven, daarom is het nieuwsartikel belangrijker dan de inhoud, wat je zegt sluit er op aan. Dat ze dit al van plan waren.

En de Russen, we zouden ze eigelijk +- 40 jaar lang buiten de deur moeten houden, dan is het probleem vanzelf opgelost. De bevolking neemt af, braindrain, fossiele brandstoffen zijn de sleutel en zullen in de toekomst niet meer zo belangrijk meer zijn en ze zuipen zichzelf allemaal helemaal naar de pleuris.
De tekst zou zo uit de DPRK kunnen komen. Net als ''It got under way following instructions of the supreme commander-in-chief (of the Russian Armed Forces).''

En wat heeft Putin dan gezegd ? waarschijnlijk niet '' Ik wil dat er dit toestel komt, met dit, dit en dat er op''. Nee het zal meer geweest zijn van '' Ik wil een Russische F-35B''.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/08/2018 | 19:53 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 22/08/2018 | 19:44 uur
Ik verwacht dat de basis van het nieuwe toestel ligt in de YAK-141M en men een nieuwe stealth body zal ontwikkelen maar het air frame wel in de basis gelijk blijft met nu dan waarschijnlijk een weapons bay omdat dat hoort bij een 5th gen toestel. 7 a 10 jaar ontwikkeling tot productie is zeer kort kijk maar naar de F-35, dus het kan geen 100% nieuwe kist zijn.

Zelfs met interne bewapening is de draaglast bij VTOL gebruik beperkt. Dat is het nadeel van VTOL gebruik bij jachtvliegtuigen. STOVL werkt wel met zwaardere draaglasten. Dat zouden Russen na eerdere versies toch wel moeten weten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 22/08/2018 | 19:58 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 22/08/2018 | 19:53 uur
Zelfs met interne bewapening is de draaglast bij VTOL gebruik beperkt. Dat is het nadeel van VTOL gebruik bij jachtvliegtuigen. STOVL werkt wel met zwaardere draaglasten. Dat zouden Russen na eerdere versies toch wel moeten weten.

Maar als je wilt vasthouden aan ''vliegtuigdragende kruisers'' dan heb je weinig keuze.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/08/2018 | 20:00 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 22/08/2018 | 19:58 uur
Maar als je wilt vasthouden aan ''vliegtuigdragende kruisers'' dan heb je weinig keuze.

Daar twijfel ik aan gezien de Russische marine lijkt in te zetten op kleinere schepen, meer onderzeeboten en voor hypersoon. Maakt de VTOL een "beetje" overbodig.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 22/08/2018 | 20:06 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 22/08/2018 | 18:12 uur
.Want er zijn meer landen met Russische wapens..ook met S300 en S400 luchtdoelraketten.. die de ook F-35 aangeboden krijgen. Denk aan Griekenland en India. En straks mogelijk ook Saudi-Arabie als het conflict met Iran verder oploopt.

Je weet dat SA al lang Patriots heeft en ook de THAAD wil aanschaffen? Die S400 "deal" is echt niet rond, wees maar niet bang.

En India en Griekenland? Really?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/08/2018 | 20:06 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 22/08/2018 | 19:58 uur
Maar als je wilt vasthouden aan ''vliegtuigdragende kruisers'' dan heb je weinig keuze.

Dat kan, maar dan heb je net als voorheen licht bewapende jachtvliegtuigen met een beperkt bereik.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/08/2018 | 20:09 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 22/08/2018 | 20:05 uur
En als Poetin dan een beetje opschiet met zijn kwaadaardige plannen dan kunnen de Russische STOVL toestellen straks op onze nieuwe LHDs :big-smile:

Deze wordt de mop van de dag (in dit topic).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 22/08/2018 | 20:10 uur
Citaat van: Ronald Elzenga op 22/08/2018 | 20:05 uur
Ja dat hebben ze bij LM toen slim gedaan. Even samenwerken en zo een interessant Russisch concept overnemen. Jammer dat de relaties tussen beide landen daarna zo verstoord is geraakt..anders hadden de Russen nu ook de F-35B kunnen aanschaffen in plaats van er nu zelf aan te beginnen. Trump en LM ook blij. Maar misschien zien de Russen mogelijkheden nu samen met de Chinezen. Die zijn ook op zoek naar een STOVL toestel immers voor hun toekomstige LHDs. En als Poetin dan een beetje opschiet met zijn kwaadaardige plannen dan kunnen de Russische STOVL toestellen straks op onze nieuwe LHDs :big-smile:

Echt hier staat weer zoveel onzin man. Russen de F35B? Russische toestellen op onze nieuwe LHD's.. welke LHD's, die in je hoofd? En Russische toestellen? Als je enige kennis had van de Klu en haar mindset zou je dit soort dingen gewoon niet zeggen. Wat moeten we met jou.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/08/2018 | 09:22 uur
Leonardo CTO Talks Tempest: Vision for Future Fighter's Advanced Avionics - Avionics

http://bit.ly/2nZWJDj via @avionicsmag
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/08/2018 | 18:41 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 29/08/2018 | 17:30 uur
CitaatTurkey, Russia could discuss joint fifth-generation fighter jet production

Turkey and Russia can discuss possibilities for co-operation of jointly develop and produce a fifth-generation fighter jet, said Viktor Kladov, the International Cooperation and Regional Policy Department director at Russia's state-run defense company, Rostec. Speaking to Anadolu Agency (AA), Viktor Kladovsaid about possible joint fighter jet production between the two countries.
He said that there is a need for a long consultation process between Russia and Turkey if they were to jointly produce a fifth-generation fighter jet. "For such a major project, the parties should not only be interested but also be prepared to work together," he added. "Though it might be a 'serious' decision, I am convinced that the two countries are capable of implementing such a project," Kladov said. The fifth-generation fighter jet's programme is a priority for President Erdogan, who wants to build a national defense industry to drum up nationalist support and reduce Turkey's reliance on outsiders amid growing strains with many Nato allies. The geopolitics situation is reinforcing Ankara's desire for an indigenous technological base and weapons systems that may be less disrupted by chilling relations with Europe and the United States. But at the same time, Turkey will need a partnership with Russia or China, to develop a fifth-generation fighter jet.

[Source: defence-blog.com]

Dit klinkt als een Russische poging om de Turken uit het F-35 programma te trekken. :hrmph:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 29/08/2018 | 17:42 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 29/08/2018 | 17:30 uur
Dit klinkt als een Russische poging om de Turken uit het F-35 programma te trekken. :hrmph:

Als het net zo'n houtje touwtje verhaal als de PAK-FA wordt wens ik ze veel succes.

Maar goed, Turkije is toch al heel hard op weg om niks meer gedaan te krijgen vwb VS materiaal.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 29/08/2018 | 18:09 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 29/08/2018 | 17:42 uur
Als het net zo'n houtje touwtje verhaal als de PAK-FA wordt wens ik ze veel succes.

Maar goed, Turkije is toch al heel hard op weg om niks meer gedaan te krijgen vwb VS materiaal.

PAK-FA is op dit moment hetzelfde als de F-35 was in de begin fase voor productie, slechts wat prototypes die toevallig omdat dat leuk staat voor de PR 2 dagen ingezet zijn in Syrië.
Daar hebben ze misschien 1 a 2 missies (mee) gevlogen met de Su-30 / Su-35's die er gestationeerd zijn en daarna snel terug gehaald. De toestellen waren ook als enigste beschermd met een soort hesco barriers. Voorlopig kopen de Russen slechts 12 stuks maar dit kan in de toekomst nog wel wat uitgebreid worden verwacht ik maar zeker niet in de aantallen waarin de Su-30's gebouwd zijn, van de Su-35 zijn er tot op heden ook niet meer dan 85 geproduceerd waarvan 14 nog voor export naar China.

Maar het kan voor Turkije wel een handreiking zijn die gewenst is en gezien word als vriendschaps signaal van de Russen en daarmee de afstand tot de Amerikanen en het westen verder vergoten. Verder zal Erdogan zo'n aanbod zeker gebruiken om te laten zien hoe groot en machtig Turkije is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/08/2018 | 11:04 uur
UK F-35B completes first flight test with ASRAAM missile

http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-defense-security-news/global-news-2018/august/4487-uk-f-35b-completes-first-flight-test-with-asraam-missile.html

Turkish fighter pilot completes first flight in US with F-35 jet

http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-defense-security-news/global-news-2018/august/4486-turkish-fighter-pilot-completes-first-flight-in-us-with-f-35-jet.html

F-35C Lightning II Conducts Operational Test-1 Aboard USS Abraham Lincoln

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/august-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/6467-f-35c-lightning-ii-conducts-operational-test-1-aboard-uss-abraham-lincoln.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 31/08/2018 | 08:26 uur
Lockheed Pitching F-22/F-35 Hybrid to U.S. Air Force  (..  :hrmph: :confused: ..)

With a Raptor's body and the JSF's brain, the new jet would aim to answer the next decade's Russian and Chinese threats.    

Lockheed Martin is quietly pitching the U.S. Air Force a new variant of the F-22 Raptor, equipped with the F-35's more modern mission avionics and some structural changes, Defense One has learned.

It is one of several options being shopped to the U.S. military and allies as Lockheed explores how it might upgrade its combat jets to counter Russian and Chinese threats anticipated by military officials in the coming decade, according to people with direct knowledge of the plan.

"You're building a hybrid aircraft," David Deptula, a retired Air Force lieutenant general who is now dean of the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies. "It's not an F-22. It's not an F-35. It's a combination thereof. That can be done much, much more rapidly than introducing a new design."

The new variant — similar to one Lockheed is pitching to Japan — would incorporate the F-35's more modern mission system and "other advancements in the stealth coatings and things of that nature," according to a person familiar with the proposal.

"There's a lot of potential in this idea," Deptula said. "I'm not sugesting that we jump right into it and embrace it, but from the Japanese perspective when they are looking at and willing to invest in this kind of an alternative as opposed to trying to build an indigenous aircraft that's not going to get close to what an F-22 can already deliver. It's a smart move on their behalf."

A Lockheed spokeswoman declined to comment about the project.

The proposal has echoes of the late-1990s evolution of the F/A-18 Hornet into the Super Hornet. Pitched as a low-risk project, the F/A-18E/F turned out to require a redesign of almost every exterior part. The new wing proved initially troublesome, but the design eventually proved successful.

Lockheed's proposal comes as the Air Force is evaluating its force structure to meet the objectives, missions, and threats laid out in the National Defense Strategy.

The pitch is certain to reignite a longstanding debate: is it better to buy upgraded versions of fourth-generation aircraft such as the F-15 and F-16, or their newer brethren equipped with pricey, hard-to-maintain but effective designs, coatings and electronics?

In July, Defense One reported that Boeing has been quietly shopping a new version of the F-15 Eagle, dubbed the F-15X, designed to carry more bombs and missiles and new electronics. Unlike the F-22 and F-35, it does not have a stealthy design, although advocates for the plane say electronic warfare and other equipment can reduce the risk of being shot down.

People who argue against buying non-stealth aircraft point to this line in NDS: "The Joint Force must be able to strike diverse targets inside adversary air and missile defense networks to destroy mobile power-projection platforms."

Said the person familiar with Lockheed's new plane: "You cannot operate a fourth-generation airplane inside those threat scenarios. The move clearly needs to be to fifth-generation airplanes to have any operational capability that's needed to execute those scenarios."

Deptula argues that buying upgraded F-22s allows the U.S. military to take an incremental step before buying a radically redesigned sixth-generation fighter jet with technologies that have not yet been proven.

"If you take a look just the general areas of aerodynamics, propulsion, low observability, we have not gotten to the point where we can achieve any order of magnitude increases in any one of those areas beyond where we are [with the] F-22 outer moldline," Deptula said.

The Air Force has budgeted hundreds of millions of dollars to look at the technologies for its future combat aircraft. Service officials have referred to these efforts as Next Generation Air Dominance or Penetrating Counter Air.

Other Options

Lockheed is also exploring other offering for the U.S. military and its allies, including putting new technology — such as directed energy and electronic attack — on the F-16, F-22 and F-35. Structural changes to F-35 are also being explored.

The offerings are being compiled as part of an internal Lockheed review that looks at ways to better equip its existing warplane and the technologies that will be part of the future combat planes.

The project is being led by Rob Weiss — leader of Lockheed's storied Skunk Works Advanced Development Programs for the past five years — who is retiring in the coming months.

"If the U.S.[military] wants to move to a next-generation, air dominance airplane there are lots of options," the person familiar with the company's plans said.

Lockheed has been looking at ways to modify the F-35. The source said a plan was recently pitched to senior U.S. Navy officials at the company's Skunk Work headquarters in Palmdale, California. Options include upgrading the engine for power and fuel-efficiency, and other changes that can be made without altering the exterior design.

Lockheed is also pushing the military to buy more F-35s as a way to make sure it has more stealth aircraft in the next decade. Under current plans, the Air Force in 2030 would have about 1,000 fifth-generation F-22s and F-35s and 1,000 F-15s and F-16s.

"If you have to fight one of these scenarios [described in the National Defense Strategy], it's a high-risk situation that would result in a lot of attrition of those fourth-generation airplanes," the source said. "It's questionable whether the U.S. could carry out its objectives in those scenarios. I think the U.S. would prevail, but not without risk."

If the F-35 production rate was increased to 80 or 100 jets per year, about 80 percent of those 2,000 fighter jets would be fifth-generation planes, the source said.

"That scenario is substantially different," the person said. "Now you've got very high probability of executing your objectives and a much lower attrition scenario where you can basically keep the fourth-generation airplanes out of harm's way."

Then there's the cost argument. Each of the Air Force's F-35As in the Pentagon's latest order is expected to cost about $90 million. The Pentagon has said it wants that cost to drop another $10 million per plane by 2020.

Deptula said the falling price of the F-35 eliminates one argument for buying new versions of the F-15 or F-16.

"As Air Force planner, you're interested in being able to meet not just the existing, but potential anticipated threats of the future," Deptula said. "While some might postulate that there may fiscal or monetary advantages, frankly I don't even see that argument holding much water.

"The kind of individual unit costs that we're talking about for rebuilding and producing new, old airplanes virtually match the price curve of new F-35s," he said. "I'm having a hard time understanding what the value proposition is if I'm an Air Force planner trying to recapitalize a geriatric Air Force."

https://www.defenseone.com/business/2018/08/lockheed-pitching-f-22f-35-hybrid-us-air-force/150943/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/08/2018 | 09:06 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 31/08/2018 | 08:26 uur
Lockheed Pitching F-22/F-35 Hybrid to U.S. Air Force  (..  :hrmph: :confused: ..)


Interessant, indien dat serieus wordt, dan gaat het vermoedelijk wel ten koste van de beoogde PCA (F/X), het 6e generatie voorstel voor de USAF.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 31/08/2018 | 09:31 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/08/2018 | 09:06 uur
Interessant, indien dat serieus wordt, dan gaat het vermoedelijk wel ten koste van de beoogde PCA (F/X), het 6e generatie voorstel voor de USAF.

Precies, en ... daarbij.. het was toch altijd te duur om productielijn van de F-22 weer op te starten ..

of zou het eigenlijk wel om een compleet nieuw toestel zijn, maar met elementen van de F-22 en de "brains" van de F-35, die ze in de F/X laten meedoen ?
Dus met "van de plank" elementen in een nieuw toestel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: DvdW op 31/08/2018 | 09:41 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 31/08/2018 | 09:31 uur
Precies, en ... daarbij.. het was toch altijd te duur om productielijn van de F-22 weer op te starten ..

of zou het eigenlijk wel om een compleet nieuw toestel zijn, maar met elementen van de F-22 en de "brains" van de F-35, die ze in de F/X laten meedoen ?
Dus met "van de plank" elementen in een nieuw toestel.
Op zichzelf genomen zou dat laatste nog niet eens zo'n gek idee zijn, maar is een beetje F22+F35 genoeg om door te gaan voor een 6th generation kist? Of zit je dan eerder op 5.5?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/08/2018 | 09:47 uur
Citaat van: DvdW op 31/08/2018 | 09:41 uur
Op zichzelf genomen zou dat laatste nog niet eens zo'n gek idee zijn, maar is een beetje F22+F35 genoeg om door te gaan voor een 6th generation kist? Of zit je dan eerder op 5.5?

Ik denk eerder 5.5 en dat lijkt me te realiseren voor de periode vanaf 2035. Het zou de USN de eerste 6e generatiekist opleveren, als alle plannen doorgaan (FA/XX), maar of die periode haalbaar is, is dan weer de vraag.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/09/2018 | 09:27 uur
The Only Thing That Might Kill a New F-22 Fighter for Japan

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/only-thing-might-kill-new-f-22-fighter-japan-30342
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/09/2018 | 10:09 uur
Citaat van: The National Interest op 01/09/2018 | 09:27 uur
The Only Thing That Might Kill a New F-22 Fighter for Japan

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/only-thing-might-kill-new-f-22-fighter-japan-30342

Lees in het artikel dat de aangepaste uitvoering ook de XASM-3 anti-ship missile moet kunnen dragen. Zal dan extern moeten, omdat het te lang is voor het wapenruim van de F-22. En volgens het artikel is Japan al ontevreden over de F-35. Vraag mij toch af wat daar werkelijk van waar is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/09/2018 | 10:17 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/09/2018 | 10:36 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 01/09/2018 | 10:09 uur
En volgens het artikel is Japan al ontevreden over de F-35. Vraag mij toch af wat daar werkelijk van waar is.

Ik vermoed, slechts aangedikt, iedereen weet dat de F35 familie geen pure luchtoverwicht jager is... Daar is deze nooit voor bedacht en niet voor ontworpen en zal het dus ook nooit worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/09/2018 | 10:50 uur
What is the purpose of Tempest?

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/what-is-the-purpose-of-tempest/ via @ukdefjournal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/09/2018 | 07:49 uur
Is the UK's proposed new fighter jet a pipe dream?

https://www.ft.com/content/5d3bff26-ac55-11e8-94bd-cba20d67390c
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 03/09/2018 | 10:57 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/09/2018 | 07:49 uur
Is the UK's proposed new fighter jet a pipe dream?

https://www.ft.com/content/5d3bff26-ac55-11e8-94bd-cba20d67390c
Ik vraag mij überhaupt af of de Britten in staat zullen zijn om hun defensie industrie op de been te houden. Zelfstandig een fighter ontwikkelen lijkt mij veel te hoog gegrepen. Zolang de Britten hun krijgsmacht financieel niet serieus nemen zal er weinig van komen vermoed ik.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 03/09/2018 | 21:24 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 03/09/2018 | 10:57 uur
Ik vraag mij überhaupt af of de Britten in staat zullen zijn om hun defensie industrie op de been te houden. Zelfstandig een fighter ontwikkelen lijkt mij veel te hoog gegrepen. Zolang de Britten hun krijgsmacht financieel niet serieus nemen zal er weinig van komen vermoed ik.
Inderdaad...
Kijk naar de F-35... daaraan is nu al decennialang gewerkt... is met moeite in kleine aantallen operationeel... De Britten gaan deze zelfs kopen en nu gaan ze, helemaal alleen, iets nieuws ontwerpen en bouwen?
En ik die dacht dat we de hoop konden opgeven in Europa  8) "Made in Britain"... your next generation fighter!
Waar gaan ze het (broodnodige) geld vandaan halen... ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/09/2018 | 21:54 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 03/09/2018 | 21:24 uur
Inderdaad...
Kijk naar de F-35... daaraan is nu al decennialang gewerkt... is met moeite in kleine aantallen operationeel... De Britten gaan deze zelfs kopen en nu gaan ze, helemaal alleen, iets nieuws ontwerpen en bouwen?
En ik die dacht dat we de hoop konden opgeven in Europa  8) "Made in Britain"... your next generation fighter!
Waar gaan ze het (broodnodige) geld vandaan halen... ?

De Britten alleen lijkt mij een "uitdaging".

Italië en Japan lijken voorzichtig belangstelling te tonen... en de vraag is ook waar zien de Zweden brood in? In de Britse of de Frans-Duitse oplossing, solo zal Saab zeer vermoedelijk geen Gripen opvolger ontwerpen en produceren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 03/09/2018 | 22:19 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/09/2018 | 21:54 uur
De Britten alleen lijkt mij een "uitdaging".

Italië en Japan lijken voorzichtig belangstelling te tonen... en de vraag is ook waar zien de Zweden brood in? In de Britse of de Frans-Duitse oplossing, solo zal Saab zeer vermoedelijk geen Gripen opvolger ontwerpen en produceren.
Italie... ziet het ook alweer zitten dan...  :angel: Ze willen wel overal een vinger in de pap blijven houden... Op marine-vlak met de Fransen... Leonardo draait zelf ook goed.

En wanneer Japan vermeld wordt kan Z-Korea er mss ook nog bij... wie weet? Pure speculatie natuurlijk mijnentwege... Je weet echter nooit.

De Zweden zie ik eerder aansluiting zoeken bij de Britten (en ik gun ze dat ook) dan bij de Franco-Germaanse-as...
Die twee zijn veel te groot en Dassault en de andere (Franse) betrokken bedrijven willen zeker heer en meester blijven in zo'n project.

SAAB en BAe werken al op andere vlakken samen.
En er is ook een heuse Testpilotenschool in de UK waar men o.a. de Gripen gebruikt:
http://www.etps.qinetiq.com/school/fleet/fixedwing/Pages/Saab-Gripen.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/09/2018 | 22:22 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 03/09/2018 | 22:19 uur
Italie... ziet het ook alweer zitten dan...  :angel: Ze willen wel overal een vinger in de pap blijven houden... Op marine-vlak met de Fransen... Leonardo draait zelf ook goed.

En wanneer Japan vermeld wordt kan Z-Korea er mss ook nog bij... wie weet? Pure speculatie natuurlijk mijnentwege... Je weet echter nooit.

De Zweden zie ik eerder aansluiting zoeken bij de Britten (en ik gun ze dat ook) dan bij de Franco-Germaanse-as...
Die twee zijn veel te groot en Dassault en de andere (Franse) betrokken bedrijven willen zeker heer en meester blijven in zo'n project.

SAAB en BAe werken al op andere vlakken samen.
En er is ook een heuse Testpilotenschool in de UK waar men o.a. de Gripen gebruikt:
http://www.etps.qinetiq.com/school/fleet/fixedwing/Pages/Saab-Gripen.aspx

Kortom heel veel mitsen en maren en vooral veel onzekerheden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 03/09/2018 | 22:23 uur
Ik sluit me bij jullie aan. Ik deel die gedachten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/09/2018 | 22:57 uur
De vraag die opkomt: is er (voor de, in eerste instantie, Europese markt) wel ruimte voor 2 twee motorige "high-end" systemen voor de periode vanaf 2035/40?

Wel ben ik van mening dat er zeker ruimte is voor één zwaar/medium systeem en één medium/licht systeem, als in de vergelijking: Typhoon/Rafale vs Gripen of F15 vs F16 als volgeden generatie gevechtsvliegtuigen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 04/09/2018 | 00:16 uur
Ik snap deze zet ook niet helemaal. Ik had liever drone ontwikkeling gezien. Fighter drones. Dit gaat nooit iets worden denk ik.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 04/09/2018 | 01:29 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 04/09/2018 | 00:16 uur
Ik snap deze zet ook niet helemaal. Ik had liever drone ontwikkeling gezien. Fighter drones. Dit gaat nooit iets worden denk ik.

Ik denk dat de eerste belangrijke stap in die richting het ontwikkelen van ''optional manned fighters'' en iets wat gecombineerd kan worden met het ''unmanned wingman'' concept.
De eerste stap in de optional manned fighters zal komen bij de 6e generatie fighters wat nu bekend staat als de ''FA-XX'' als vervanging voor de F-18E/F Super Hornets van de USN maar ook zijn er volgens mij al plannen vanuit het VK geweest om een zelfde concept in te voeren bij de 6e generatie.

Heel simpel gezegd zou het dus kunnen zijn dat er binnen een 6th gen squadron van 18 toestellen slechts 6 bemand zijn en de overige 12 onbemande toestellen die worden aangestuurd door de bemande toestellen. Dit is wel iets dat er waarschijnlijk gaat komen maar echte zelfstandig denkende vliegtuigen waar geen mens tussen komt vanaf het moment dat ze weg taxiën , missie uitvoeren en weer landen dat is iets dat nog ver weg ligt verwacht ik. Al is het maar omdat mensen niet graag een machine de volledige controle over alles laat hebben, bijvoorbeeld wapen inzet door een zelf beslissende machine is natuurlijk iets dat erg gevoelig ligt bij een deel van de mensen.

Ik vind het idee van ''fighter drones'' een interessant concept maar ik heb er ook wel mijn bedenkingen over als het volledig zelfstandig alles regelt en beslist. We kennen allemaal de films waar robots de wereld over proberen te nemen van de mens, dat is iets waar een deel bang voor is bij dit soort machines.

Het ''Unmanned Wingman'' verhaal is iets dat echt haalbaar is binnen de F-35 en er liggen zelfs plannen van wat ik kan vinden met wat nu de MQ-25 Stingray heet (voorheen RAQ-25) maar ook heel goed mogelijk is met de GA Avenger (voormalig predator C).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/09/2018 | 09:27 uur
Weet niet of dit het juiste topic is, maar ik vond via het forum van www.f-16.net een document over de voorloper van de F-4E uit 1965.

https://www.docdroid.net/9LUB1s5/f-4c-close-air-support-cas-report.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 04/09/2018 | 14:34 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 04/09/2018 | 01:29 uur
Ik denk dat de eerste belangrijke stap in die richting het ontwikkelen van ''optional manned fighters'' en iets wat gecombineerd kan worden met het ''unmanned wingman'' concept.
De eerste stap in de optional manned fighters zal komen bij de 6e generatie fighters wat nu bekend staat als de ''FA-XX'' als vervanging voor de F-18E/F Super Hornets van de USN maar ook zijn er volgens mij al plannen vanuit het VK geweest om een zelfde concept in te voeren bij de 6e generatie.

Heel simpel gezegd zou het dus kunnen zijn dat er binnen een 6th gen squadron van 18 toestellen slechts 6 bemand zijn en de overige 12 onbemande toestellen die worden aangestuurd door de bemande toestellen. Dit is wel iets dat er waarschijnlijk gaat komen maar echte zelfstandig denkende vliegtuigen waar geen mens tussen komt vanaf het moment dat ze weg taxiën , missie uitvoeren en weer landen dat is iets dat nog ver weg ligt verwacht ik. Al is het maar omdat mensen niet graag een machine de volledige controle over alles laat hebben, bijvoorbeeld wapen inzet door een zelf beslissende machine is natuurlijk iets dat erg gevoelig ligt bij een deel van de mensen.

Ik vind het idee van ''fighter drones'' een interessant concept maar ik heb er ook wel mijn bedenkingen over als het volledig zelfstandig alles regelt en beslist. We kennen allemaal de films waar robots de wereld over proberen te nemen van de mens, dat is iets waar een deel bang voor is bij dit soort machines.

Het ''Unmanned Wingman'' verhaal is iets dat echt haalbaar is binnen de F-35 en er liggen zelfs plannen van wat ik kan vinden met wat nu de MQ-25 Stingray heet (voorheen RAQ-25) maar ook heel goed mogelijk is met de GA Avenger (voormalig predator C).

Vijandelijke robotlegers gaan met hun drone luchtmacht de mensheid overnemen dus?
Kan dus het hele 'boots on the ground' geneuzel ook door de wc :omg:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 04/09/2018 | 14:47 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 04/09/2018 | 14:34 uur
Vijandelijke robotlegers gaan met hun drone luchtmacht de mensheid overnemen dus?
Kan dus het hele 'boots on the ground' geneuzel ook door de wc :omg:

Nee ik zeg niet dat het gaat gebeuren maar we kennen het allemaal uit films en er zijn mensen die daar echt bang voor zijn om de controle over dit soort machines volledig aan de machine te laten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/09/2018 | 19:58 uur
F-35C, Super Hornet Damaged During At-Sea Aerial Refueling

https://news.usni.org/2018/09/04/f-35c-damaged-36249
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/09/2018 | 11:12 uur
Raytheon offers APG-79v4 for US Marine Corps' Hornet radar upgrade

https://www.janes.com/article/82802/raytheon-offers-apg-79v4-for-us-marine-corps-hornet-radar-upgrade
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/09/2018 | 10:28 uur
Northop's F-23 Stealth Figher Might Have Been Better Than the F-22. We Might Just Find Out.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/northops-f-23-stealth-figher-might-have-been-better-f-22-we-might-just-find-out-30882
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/09/2018 | 08:28 uur
European F-35 fighter jet users push to drive down operating costs

https://reut.rs/2wVBR55
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/09/2018 | 12:04 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/09/2018 | 14:39 uur
P&W awarded $437m for further development of adaptive jet engine

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pw-awarded-437m-for-further-development-of-adaptiv-451801/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 08:12 uur
German ministry seeks data on quicker fighter jet deliveries

https://reut.rs/2x0LIWq
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 08:38 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 08:12 uur
German ministry seeks data on quicker fighter jet deliveries


Het gaat blijkbaar sneller bergafwaarts met de Duitse Tornado's dan publiekelijk bekend.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/09/2018 | 09:35 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 08:38 uur
Het gaat blijkbaar sneller bergafwaarts met de Duitse Tornado's dan publiekelijk bekend.

Het geeft wel te denken. De Europese Tornado vloot wordt alsmaar kleiner. Zeker als volgend jaar de RAF hun laatste Tornado's uit dienst neemt. Kun je je ook afvragen hoe het met de Italiaanse Tornado's is gesteld.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 10:06 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 12/09/2018 | 09:41 uur
Ik hoor wel eens wat verhalen van de lui die nu met Duitse Leo's werken. En als je hoort hoe dat gaat ben je niet verbaasd.
De Tornado's zitten ook wel aan het eind van hun levensduur. Echter, de Duitsers lijken op dit moment niet in staat om wat dan ook operationeel te houden. Enorme bureaucratie daar. En alles gaat traag.

Het is dan ook geen verrassing, ik vind het eventueel aanpassen van de tijdlijn wel opmerkelijk.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 10:07 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 12/09/2018 | 09:41 uur
Het mogelijk naar voren schuiven van deze tijdlijn is voor force generation goed nieuws.

Eens.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrategNL op 12/09/2018 | 10:13 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/09/2018 | 09:35 uur
Het geeft wel te denken. De Europese Tornado vloot wordt alsmaar kleiner. Zeker als volgend jaar de RAF hun laatste Tornado's uit dienst neemt. Kun je je ook afvragen hoe het met de Italiaanse Tornado's is gesteld.
Hopelijk een Duits besluit tot snelle invoering van enkele squadrons F-35A ter vervanging van de Tornado's...en later gevolgd door enkele squadrons F-35Bs als men eindelijk de laatste geopolitieke en strategische inzichten gaat omzetten in een vernieuwde Duitse visie. Waarin hopelijk ook de komst van Duitse LHDs weer in beeld komt. Of alleen de F-35B, zodat Duitsland kan "meevaren" met de Britse carriers en LHDs van andere bondgenoten. Alles inzetten op 1 toestel, de Eurofighter, lijkt mij te riskant. Al zal de politieke druk wel die kant opgaan als interim-oplossing denk ik en blijft de SPD een blok aan het been van Merkel en haar ambitieuze defensieminister. Het zou me niet verbazen als al die interne politieke strubbelingen uiteindelijk het voortzetten van de Tornado-vloot als compromis oplevert.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 10:18 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 12/09/2018 | 09:41 uur
Daarbij misschien meer tussenruimte met FCAS, wat het programma wat lucht geeft.

Het FCAS project moet op volle snelheid er in wil men in 2040 operationele modellen hebben rondvliegen, de "luxe" van vertraging is geëxpireerd.

Indien de Duitsers kiezen voor een interim oplossing van Amerikaanse makelij dan kan je verwachten dat dit aantal af gaat van het aantal FCAS (tenzij men de mogelijkheid heeft/krijgt om te leasen) wat natuurlijk minder positief is voor het programma.

In 2025? de F35A? voor de Duitsers zou vermoedelijk betekenen dat deze tot 2055/60 in dienst blijven, ruim 15-20 jaar na de invoering van FCAS, al kan men dan wellicht gaan voor de FCAS tranche 2 of 3 als vervanger.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 10:23 uur
Citaat van: StrategNL op 12/09/2018 | 10:13 uur
Hopelijk een Duits besluit tot snelle invoering van enkele squadrons F-35A ter vervanging van de Tornado's...en later gevolgd door enkele squadrons F-35Bs als men eindelijk de laatste geopolitieke en strategische inzichten gaat omzetten in een vernieuwde Duitse visie. Waarin hopelijk ook de komst van Duitse LHDs weer in beeld komt. Of alleen de F-35B, zodat Duitsland kan "meevaren" met de Britse carriers en LHDs van andere bondgenoten.

Ik denk dat  je dit uit je hoofd kan zetten, een nieuwe Duitse visie zal vooral gericht zijn op homeland defence, dus "rund um hause".



Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/09/2018 | 10:32 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 10:18 uur
Het FCAS project moet op volle snelheid er in wil men in 2040 een operationele modellen hebben rondvliegen, de "luxe" van vertraging is geëxpireerd.

Indien de Duitsers kiezen voor een interim oplossing van Amerikaanse makelij dan kan je verwachten dat dit aantal af gaat van het aantal FCAS (tenzij men de mogelijkheid heeft/krijgt om te leasen) wat natuurlijk minder positief is voor het programma.

In 2025? de F35A? voor de Duitsers zou vermoedelijk betekenen dat deze tot 2055/60 in dienst blijven, ruim 15-20 jaar na de invoering van FCAS, al kan men dan wellicht gaan voor de FCAS tranche 2 of 3 als vervanger.

De Tornado's zijn door hun leeftijd sneller aan vervanging toe. Komt nog bij dat de Luftwaffe twee verschillende generaties heeft. Het wordt erg moeilijk om de Tornado's tot 2040 door te laten vliegen. Ze zullen een keuze moeten maken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 10:37 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/09/2018 | 10:32 uur
De FCAS zal ook de Typhoon moeten opvolgen.

En de Rafale...

Ben dan ook benieuwd waarbij Saab zich zal aansluiten, wordt hij bij FCAS of bij Tempest?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/09/2018 | 10:44 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 10:37 uur
En de Rafale...

Ben dan ook benieuwd waarbij Saab zich zal aansluiten, wordt hij bij FCAS of bij Tempest?

Het zou op zich wel handig zijn om te weten wat de 'markt' verlangt. Wat willen Italië en Spanje als opvolger voor hun Typhoons? Wil iedereen tweemotorig of misschien ook eenmotorig? Dan pas kan gericht worden ontworpen. De FCAS en dergelijke zullen het toch ook van de export moeten hebben.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/09/2018 | 10:44 uur
Citaat van: StrategNL op 12/09/2018 | 10:13 uur
Hopelijk een Duits besluit tot snelle invoering van enkele squadrons F-35A ter vervanging van de Tornado's...en later gevolgd door enkele squadrons F-35Bs als men eindelijk de laatste geopolitieke en strategische inzichten gaat omzetten in een vernieuwde Duitse visie. Waarin hopelijk ook de komst van Duitse LHDs weer in beeld komt. Of alleen de F-35B, zodat Duitsland kan "meevaren" met de Britse carriers en LHDs van andere bondgenoten. Alles inzetten op 1 toestel, de Eurofighter, lijkt mij te riskant. Al zal de politieke druk wel die kant opgaan als interim-oplossing denk ik en blijft de SPD een blok aan het been van Merkel en haar ambitieuze defensieminister. Het zou me niet verbazen als al die interne politieke strubbelingen uiteindelijk het voortzetten van de Tornado-vloot als compromis oplevert.
Duitsland .... F-35B .... LHD....  :hrmph:     Dream on ..
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 10:58 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/09/2018 | 10:44 uur
Het zou op zich wel handig zijn om te weten wat de 'markt' verlangt. Wat willen Italië en Spanje als opvolger voor hun Typhoons? Wil iedereen tweemotorig of misschien ook eenmotorig? Dan pas kan gericht worden ontworpen. De FCAS en dergelijke zullen het toch ook van de export moeten hebben.

Zoals ik al vaker schreef, ik ben voor 2 Europese modellen, een twee en een één pitter in de verhouding F15-16 of Gripen-Typhoon.

Huidige twee Europese (bekende) initiatieven zijn 2 pitter.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/09/2018 | 11:08 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 10:58 uur
Zoals ik al vaker schreef, ik ben voor 2 Europese modellen, een twee en een één pitter in de verhouding F15-16 of Gripen-Typhoon.

Huidige twee Europese (bekende) initiatieven zijn 2 pitter.

En hoe zeker is het dat Italië en het VK zich niet bij het Duits/Franse ontwerp zullen aansluiten? BAE Systems kan niet meer op geheel eigen kracht iets ontwerpen en Leonardo sluit zich sinds de Tornado altijd ergens bij aan.

Blijft dan nog de eenpitter over. Aan wie weet Saab en eventuele partner dat hier in Europa te slijten?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/09/2018 | 11:19 uur
The German military has asked potential bidders in a high-stakes competition to replace its aging Tornado fighter jets about accelerating deliveries of new warplanes before an initial target date of 2025

...

Airbus and the U.S. government submitted data this spring about the four fighter jet models under consideration - the Eurofighter, Lockheed's F-35, and the Boeing F/A-18E/F or F-15E.


Levering voor 2025 !!
Dat betekend, als er een contract gesloten wordt in 2019 dat er binnen 6 jaar geleverd moet worden...  :hrmph:

Voor mijn gevoel valt dan de optie F-35 af, de enigste productie lijnen die nu snel kunnen leveren is F-18 en F-15, waarbij ik, bij een keuze uit deze 2, mijn geld zet op de F-15. Veel meer waar voor je geld en tevens met de laatste aanbieding die Boeing heeft gedaan aan diversen met de F-15X optie, denk ik dat Israël wel deze optie (enigszins aangepast met eigen systemen) aan zal schaffen.
Door F-15 te kiezen kunnen, blijven ze 2-motorig, 2-koppig en vergroting van wapenlast en beter specs dan de Tornado.

Opzich zou uitbreiding van de Typhoon, als Tornado-vervanging de beste optie zijn, maar gezien de belabberde staat, inzet van de huidige Typhoons en daarbij geen mogelijkheid voor de nucleaire taak.   

Alle nog te ontwikkelen EU ontwerpen komen allemaal te laat.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 11:23 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/09/2018 | 11:08 uur
En hoe zeker is het dat Italië en het VK zich niet bij het Duits/Franse ontwerp zullen aansluiten? BAE Systems kan niet meer op geheel eigen kracht iets ontwerpen en Leonardo sluit zich sinds de Tornado altijd ergens bij aan.

Blijft dan nog de eenpitter over. Aan wie weet Saab en eventuele partner dat hier in Europa te slijten?

Of Tempest meer dan een concept idee wordt zal nog moeten blijken (Leonardo heeft zich hier aan verbonden), het valt immers nog te bezien of Engeland de vele tientallen miljarden ponden kan/wil ophoesten voor dit initiatief.

Onwaarschijnlijk is het niet dat de Britten alsnog bij FCAS zullen aansluiten.

Ik verwacht niet dat Saab autonoom een Gripen opvolger kan/mag ontwikkelen al is de markt voor 1 pitters in Europa (gezien wat er nu vliegt en gaat vliegen) interessant genoeg.

Saab wilde oorspronkelijk helemaal geen Gripen E en hadden ingezet op FS2020 echter de Zweedse overheid wilde deze ontwikkeling niet financieren dus koos Saab eieren voor haar geld en ging voor de tweede keuze, de Gripen E/F.

Wie weet, misschien halen ze hun FS2020 wel weer van stal om deze door te ontwikkelen naar een FS2040? al zullen ze dan een paar landen bereid moeten vinden om hierin stevig te investeren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 11:26 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 12/09/2018 | 11:19 uur
The German military has asked potential bidders in a high-stakes competition to replace Door F-15 te kiezen kunnen, blijven ze 2-motorig, 2-koppig en vergroting van wapenlast en beter specs dan de Tornado.


Mee eens, maar of ze daarvoor gaan???
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/09/2018 | 11:42 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 11:26 uur
Mee eens, maar of ze daarvoor gaan???

De F-15 vind ik erg mooi, maar ook ik heb hier mijn twijfels over. Duitsland zou naar mijn mening alleen tussen de Typhoon en F-35A moeten kiezen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 12:19 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/09/2018 | 11:42 uur
De F-15 vind ik erg mooi, maar ook ik heb hier mijn twijfels over. Duitsland zou naar mijn mening alleen tussen de Typhoon en F-35A moeten kiezen.

De Duitse luchtmacht wil de F35A, de Duitse politiek de Typhoon, wie wint? (meestal de betaler)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 12/09/2018 | 20:21 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 12/09/2018 | 10:44 uur
Duitsland .... F-35B .... LHD....  :hrmph:     Dream on ..

Dat je er nog op reageert  :dead:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/09/2018 | 21:06 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 12/09/2018 | 20:21 uur
Dat je er nog op reageert  :dead:
Ach... weet je.. waarom.., omdat ik eigenlijk niet kan geloven dat hij geloofd en daadwerkelijk denk dat Duitsland gaat investeren in een LHD en dan ook nog de F-35B gaat aanschaffen om daarvan te opereren.
En daarbij dat ze dan samen  met de UK kunnen vliegen, trainen....
Dat droombeeld is een luchtballon ...
prik .. pats ... weg.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 12/09/2018 | 21:15 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 12/09/2018 | 21:06 uur
Ach... weet je.. waarom.., omdat ik eigenlijk niet kan geloven dat hij geloofd en daadwerkelijk denk dat Duitsland gaat investeren in een LHD en dan ook nog de F-35B gaat aanschaffen om daarvan te opereren.
En daarbij dat ze dan samen  met de UK kunnen vliegen, trainen....
Dat droombeeld is een luchtballon ...
prik .. pats ... weg.
Een LHD met F-35B's voor de Duitsers zou prima passen in het formaat van het Duitse defensie apparaat maar niet onder het bewind dat er nu zit van Fräulein Merkel. Tot 2005 opereerde de Duitse ''Marineflieger'' een aantal Tornado's maar ik twijfel of de jachtvliegtuigen ooit terug gaan komen bij de Duitsers. Maar onder een pro militaire regering zou zo iets mogelijk moeten zijn maar dat is er niet dus op dit moment is dat een no-go.

Voor zoiets mogelijk is moet men in de Duitse politiek eerst af van die ww2 angst waar door niemand militair optreden op grote schaal aan durft. Als dat eenmaal probleem eenmaal verholpen is dan is Duitsland in staat om met het juiste budget een supermacht te worden binnen de EU.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 21:58 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 12/09/2018 | 21:15 uur
Een LHD met F-35B's voor de Duitsers zou prima passen in het formaat van het Duitse defensie apparaat maar niet onder het bewind dat er nu zit van Fräulein Merkel. Tot 2005 opereerde de Duitse ''Marineflieger'' een aantal Tornado's maar ik twijfel of de jachtvliegtuigen ooit terug gaan komen bij de Duitsers. Maar onder een pro militaire regering zou zo iets mogelijk moeten zijn maar dat is er niet dus op dit moment is dat een no-go.

Voor zoiets mogelijk is moet men in de Duitse politiek eerst af van die ww2 angst waar door niemand militair optreden op grote schaal aan durft. Als dat eenmaal probleem eenmaal verholpen is dan is Duitsland in staat om met het juiste budget een supermacht te worden binnen de EU.

De Duitsers zullen zich meer en meer gaan focussen op homeland defence vermoedelijk met uiteindelijk (weer) een hele stevige landmacht.

Die marine Tornado's waren met name bedoeld voor de Oostzee, en daar heb je geen LHD nodig...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 12/09/2018 | 22:07 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 21:58 uur
De Duitsers zullen zich meer en meer gaan focussen op homeland defence vermoedelijk met uiteindelijk (weer) een hele stevige landmacht.

Die marine Tornado's waren met name bedoeld voor de Oostzee, en daar heb je geen LHD nodig...

Daar heb je gelijk in , maar als men weer zou kiezen om de Tornado's te vervangen binnen de marineflieger dan zou de F-35 zeker een optie kunnen zijn en de B versie kan handig zijn door het verticaal opstijgen /landen en in een conflict dus in theorie ook op de snelweg kan landen. Dan heb je geen LHD nodig maar zou de F-35B toch passen maar die kans schat ik in op 0,05% dat dit gaat gebeuren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2018 | 22:28 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 12/09/2018 | 22:07 uur
Daar heb je gelijk in , maar als men weer zou kiezen om de Tornado's te vervangen binnen de marineflieger dan zou de F-35 zeker een optie kunnen zijn en de B versie kan handig zijn door het verticaal opstijgen /landen en in een conflict dus in theorie ook op de snelweg kan landen. Dan heb je geen LHD nodig maar zou de F-35B toch passen maar die kans schat ik in op 0,05% dat dit gaat gebeuren.

Ik schat die kans op nihil. Zeker ook in het licht bezien van de ontwikkeling van FCAS, gaat FCAS de prullenbak in, dan zijn er wellicht meer mogelijkheden maar dan is het de vraag of niet tevens de autonome Europese fighter industrie ten grave is gedragen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 12/09/2018 | 22:36 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 12/09/2018 | 21:15 uur
Voor zoiets mogelijk is moet men in de Duitse politiek eerst af van die ww2 angst waar door niemand militair optreden op grote schaal aan durft. Als dat eenmaal probleem eenmaal verholpen is dan is Duitsland in staat om met het juiste budget een supermacht te worden binnen de EU.
Die WOII-angst is er niet zo zeer meer.
Het pacifistische is er vandaag de dag nog steeds door wat na die oorlog gebeurd is: de koude oorlog... "Atomwaffen? - Nein danke"... Velen waren en zijn tegen de aanwezigheid van buitenlandse troepen.

En dat Duitsers niet zo happig zijn op het inzetten van hun troepen onder NATO-vlag of als onderdeel van een "coalition of the willing", heeft, m.i. vooral te maken hoe een en ander gebeurde... De Duitsers komen bij mij over als behoedzaam en zullen zich niet hals over kop storten in een of andere militair avontuur waaraan onze Amerikaanse en Britse vrienden zich gewaagd hebben. En ze lijken het enkele malen bij het rechte eind gehad te hebben.
Onder VN-vlag zul je ze veel sneller zien optreden.

De Duitsers hebben ook niet de ambitie om een supermacht te worden binnen de EU. Daarvoor hebben we de Fransen al... (en de Britten bollen het af, maar die zijn ook al een pak minder "Super" dan pakweg 20 jaar geleden -  De Duitsers trouwens ook)

Marineflieger komen niet terug. Da's een capaciteit die zij niet meer nodig achten. En een F-35B zie ik ook niet komen...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/09/2018 | 09:28 uur
Air Force not considering new F-15 or hybrid F-22/F-35, top civilian says

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/air-force-association/2018/09/12/air-force-not-considering-new-f-15-or-hybrid-f-22f-35-top-civilian-says/

F-35 operational testing delayed until latest software delivers

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/09/12/f-35-operational-testing-delayed-until-latest-software-delivers/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/09/2018 | 10:15 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/09/2018 | 09:28 uur
Air Force not considering new F-15 or hybrid F-22/F-35, top civilian says

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/air-force-association/2018/09/12/air-force-not-considering-new-f-15-or-hybrid-f-22f-35-top-civilian-says/

Rebecca Grant is een groot voorstander van de F-35, dus dat ze niet enthousiast wordt van de F-15X is voorspelbaar.
Hieronder een qoute van haar in een artikel ;

The F-35 is a sorely needed modernization program that will fly the pants off anything out there (except the F-22). It won't come cheap, but its capabilities will be second to none in the antiaccess environment emerging in areas such as the Western Pacific.

http://aviationweek.com/awin/what-usaf-needs

Ik ben nog niet overtuigd dat alle F-35's ook daadwerkelijk aangekocht zullen worden !
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2018 | 11:05 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 13/09/2018 | 10:15 uur

Ik ben nog niet overtuigd dat alle F-35's ook daadwerkelijk aangekocht zullen worden !

Ik ook niet, zeker niet als FA/XX en PCA (F/X) op tijd en binnen budget het operationele levenslicht zien.

Een hybride F22-F35 voor de USAF zal ten koste gaan van PCA waardoor deze weer in prijs zal stijgen of zelfs in de prullenbak zal verdwijnen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/09/2018 | 11:19 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2018 | 11:05 uur
Ik ook niet, zeker niet als FA/XX en PCA (F/X) op tijd en binnen budget het operationele levenslicht zien.


Vergelijk je nu niet appels met peren? Het USAF F-X programma is de F-22 vervanging en USN F/A-XX programma als Super Hornet vervanging. De F-35 vervangt respectievelijk de F-16 en Hornet/oudste Super Hornets.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 13/09/2018 | 11:25 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 12/09/2018 | 22:36 uur
Die WOII-angst is er niet zo zeer meer.
Het pacifistische is er vandaag de dag nog steeds door wat na die oorlog gebeurd is: de koude oorlog... "Atomwaffen? - Nein danke"... Velen waren en zijn tegen de aanwezigheid van buitenlandse troepen.

En dat Duitsers niet zo happig zijn op het inzetten van hun troepen onder NATO-vlag of als onderdeel van een "coalition of the willing", heeft, m.i. vooral te maken hoe een en ander gebeurde... De Duitsers komen bij mij over als behoedzaam en zullen zich niet hals over kop storten in een of andere militair avontuur waaraan onze Amerikaanse en Britse vrienden zich gewaagd hebben. En ze lijken het enkele malen bij het rechte eind gehad te hebben.
Onder VN-vlag zul je ze veel sneller zien optreden.

De Duitsers hebben ook niet de ambitie om een supermacht te worden binnen de EU. Daarvoor hebben we de Fransen al... (en de Britten bollen het af, maar die zijn ook al een pak minder "Super" dan pakweg 20 jaar geleden -  De Duitsers trouwens ook)

Marineflieger komen niet terug. Da's een capaciteit die zij niet meer nodig achten. En een F-35B zie ik ook niet komen...

Ik zie het ook niet terug komen en de F-35B zie ik ze ook niet kopen maar een LHD met F-35B's zouden kunnen als de Duitsers die supermacht worden binnen Europa maar dat gaan ze niet worden dus houd het voor nu op. Misschien ooit in de verre toekomst, maar zeker niet de komende jaren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/09/2018 | 11:50 uur
Uit het ATF ( Advanced Tactical Fighter) programma van de USAF is uiteindelijk de keuze gevallen op de F-22. Eerst zouden er ca. 750 stuks toestellen worden aangeschaft, maar het eindresultaat is dat er nu maar 187 stuks operationeel zijn. Dus eigenlijk een mega te kort aan 5de generatie air superiority fighters.

Maar alles heeft weer met budget te maken

Het F-22 programma ging ver over het budget heen, het F-35 programma gaat ver over het budget heen.

Ik denk idd dat binnen de USAF en USN een sterke voorkeur is voor nieuwe lucht overwicht toestellen en dit zal zeker ten koste gaan van de aantallen F-35.
De USN is gebrand op een nieuwe fighter, want met de uitfasering van de F-14 is er een gat ontstaan welke eigenlijk nooit opgevuld is.
Ik denk dat ook zeker bij de USN de C-versie sterk verminderd aangeschaft zal worden.
 
En als de USAF nog wel voor de hybride gaat, dus F-22 met F-35-hersenen. Dan zal dat zeker ten nadele zijn van aantallen F-35 en F-22 vervanger.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2018 | 13:01 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/09/2018 | 11:19 uur
Vergelijk je nu niet appels met peren? Het USAF F-X programma is de F-22 vervanging en USN F/A-XX programma als Super Hornet vervanging. De F-35 vervangt respectievelijk de F-16 en Hornet/oudste Super Hornets.

Ja en nee...

Als beide volgende generatie kisten op tijd en binnen budget zijn, waarom zou de USAF dan nog haar F15C vervangen door een F35A die minder luchtverdedigingscapaciteiten heeft dan haar voorganger.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2018 | 13:12 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 13/09/2018 | 11:50 uur
En als de USAF nog wel voor de hybride gaat, dus F-22 met F-35-hersenen. Dan zal dat zeker ten nadele zijn van aantallen F-35 en F-22 vervanger.

Ergens denk ik dat als de USAF zou gaan voor een hybride F22, dan is dat de vervanger voor de F22 en verdwijnt de PCA in het archief...  want zowel een F22hybide en een PCA naast de USN FA/XX is, vermoed ik, een beetje te veel voor Uncle Sam.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/09/2018 | 13:22 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2018 | 13:01 uur
Ja en nee...

Als beide volgende generatie kisten op tijd en binnen budget zijn, waarom zou de USAF dan nog haar F15C vervangen door een F35A die minder luchtverdedigingscapaciteiten heeft dan haar voorganger.

Wat is op tijd? En de USAF/ANG air superiority squadrons moeten nog steeds worden aangevuld door F-16 en straks F-35 squadrons. Vanaf 2021 is bijvoorbeeld USAF Europe zonder Eagles en Strike Eagles. Deze zullen dan weer elders worden gestationeerd, maar toch.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2018 | 13:32 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/09/2018 | 13:22 uur
Wat is op tijd? En de USAF/ANG air superiority squadrons moeten nog steeds worden aangevuld door F-16 en straks F-35 squadrons. Vanaf 2021 is bijvoorbeeld USAF Europe zonder Eagles en Strike Eagles. Deze zullen dan weer elders worden gestationeerd, maar toch.

Rond medio dertig operationeel (geldt voor beiden, als ze het halen).

Ze gaan intussen tijd een aardig aantal F15C en F16C een update geven zodat ze tot rond 2040 mee kunnen.... Waarom zou je die update kisten in 2040 vervangen door een F35 als een nieuwe generatie beschikbaar is?

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/09/2018 | 13:53 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2018 | 13:32 uur
Rond medio dertig operationeel (geldt voor beiden, als ze het halen).

Ze gaan intussen tijd een aardig aantal F15C en F16C een update geven zodat ze tot rond 2040 mee kunnen.... Waarom zou je die update kisten in 2040 vervangen door een F35 als een nieuwe generatie beschikbaar is?

Die geupdate F-15C wordt dan door de F-X vervangen, maar v.w.b. de geupdate F-16C denk ik dat niet. Grotere kans dat die door de dan al wat oudere F-35A wordt vervangen. USAF zal toch zeker zoveel mogelijk eerste lijn F-16C door F-35A laten vervangen en de rest laten doorstromen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/09/2018 | 14:05 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2018 | 13:12 uur
Ergens denk ik dat als de USAF zou gaan voor een hybride F22, dan is dat de vervanger voor de F22 en verdwijnt de PCA in het archief...  want zowel een F22hybide en een PCA naast de USN FA/XX is, vermoed ik, een beetje te veel voor Uncle Sam.

Het is eigenlijk allemaal wat tegenstrijdig met elkaar ;
Ze willen van alles, zo veel, zo goed en zo snel mogelijk !

Idd als de hybride er komt zal dit ten koste gaan van de PCA !
Maar ze hebben nu te weinig AS fighters, dus willen ze dit zo snel mogelijk oplossen. De F-35 is niet de oplossing hiervoor, dus dan wordt het een oplossing ala ;
1) 4,75 gen F-15X
2) 5,5 gen hybride F-22
3) 6 gen PCA

1) Snel te leveren en is ook een tijdelijke oplossing. optie 2 of/en 3 zullen nog steeds uitgevoerd moeten worden.   

2) Een hybride F-22 zal ook de nodige problemen kwa integratie en aanpassingen geven aan de F-22 zowel intern als aan de romp. Productie van de basis F-22 + aanpassingen zal geheel weer opgestart moeten worden, voordeel is wel dat alles wel bekend is. Hierdoor kan er (denk ik) rondom 2030 zeker de eerste toestellen geleverd kunnen worden.

3) Bij een geheel nieuw toestel, PCA, zal alles opnieuw ontwikkeld, getekend, berekend en getest moeten worden.
Prijstechnisch lijk me dit de duurste variant, maar voordat je de daadwerkelijke toestellen en benodigde aantallen hebt, dat duurt nog tientallen jaren, zeker 2040.

Wat betreft de USN versie, deze zal er zeker komen !  los van wat de USAF gaat doen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2018 | 14:30 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/09/2018 | 13:53 uur
Die geupdate F-15C wordt dan door de F-X vervangen, maar v.w.b. de geupdate F-16C denk ik dat niet. Grotere kans dat die door de dan al wat oudere F-35A wordt vervangen. USAF zal toch zeker zoveel mogelijk eerste lijn F-16C door F-35A laten vervangen en de rest laten doorstromen.

Hierin heb je vast gelijk (waarbij het aantal F15C vervangers door F/X dus vermoedelijk rechtstreeks af gaat van het aantal F35A)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/09/2018 | 14:40 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2018 | 14:30 uur
Hierin heb je vast gelijk (waarbij het aantal F15C vervangers door F/X dus vermoedelijk rechtstreeks af gaat van het aantal F35A)

Zou kunnen. Omdat zij elke dag iets nieuws over de F-35A leren, kan ook dit weer gevolgen hebben voor het type inzet en welke eenheid wat krijgt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2018 | 14:52 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/09/2018 | 14:40 uur
Zou kunnen. Omdat zij elke dag iets nieuws over de F-35A leren, kan ook dit weer gevolgen hebben voor het type inzet en welke eenheid wat krijgt.

Het is allemaal speculeren maar ik kan me niet voorstellen  dat er ruimte is voor alle genoemde ontwikkelingen/wensen, tenzij de USAF enorm mag groeien in aantal gevechtsvliegtuigen maar dat laatste lijkt mij vooralsnog onwaarschijnlijk.

Voor het zelfde geld ontwikkeld men een F35Fighter.... al zal deze kist volledig en structureel moeten worden aangepast om te kunnen voldoen aan het predicaat: air dominance.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/09/2018 | 15:10 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2018 | 14:52 uur
Voor het zelfde geld ontwikkeld men een F35Fighter.... al zal deze kist volledig en structureel moeten worden aangepast om te kunnen voldoen aan het predicaat: air dominance.

Net als de F-16 heeft ook de F-35 air superiority als secundaire taak. De air superiority taak van bijvoorbeeld de USMC ligt straks geheel bij de F-35B en F-35C.

Currently, the Air Force conducts the air superiority mission with a mix of fourth- and fifth-generation aircraft, which include the F-15C Eagle, F-15E Strike Eagle, F-16 Fighting Falcon, F-22 and F-35.

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/838816/air-dominance-and-the-critical-role-of-fifth-generation-fighters/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2018 | 15:18 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/09/2018 | 15:10 uur
Net als de F-16 heeft ook de F-35 air superiority als secundaire taak. De air superiority taak van bijvoorbeeld de USMC ligt straks geheel bij de F-35B en F-35C.

Hoe goed de F35 familie ook is, een pure luchtoverwicht jager zal het nooit worden maar in de meeste gevallen vermoedelijk ruim voldoende weten te presteren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrategNL op 13/09/2018 | 15:49 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 12/09/2018 | 22:36 uur
....

En dat Duitsers niet zo happig zijn op het inzetten van hun troepen onder NATO-vlag of als onderdeel van een "coalition of the willing", heeft, m.i. vooral te maken hoe een en ander gebeurde... De Duitsers komen bij mij over als behoedzaam en zullen zich niet hals over kop storten in een of andere militair avontuur waaraan onze Amerikaanse en Britse vrienden zich gewaagd hebben. En ze lijken het enkele malen bij het rechte eind gehad te hebben.
Onder VN-vlag zul je ze veel sneller zien optreden.
Alsof je alleen wapens en dus LHDs nodig hebt voor (deze beruchte) "militaire avonturen". Daarin vind ik de Duitse terughoudendheid juist zeer wenselijk en gezond. Maar show of force en show the flag is veel belangrijker en bepalender. Waar de Chinezen militair verschijnen en optreden als hoeder der veiligheid en financier moeten wij als Europa straks ook aanwezig zijn. Anders kopen of drukken ze onze strategische belangen daar weg en duikt onze welvaart naar beneden vervolgens. Aangezien dat veelal ver van huis is en wij als Europa niet het netwerk aan bases hebben zoals de Amerikanen, zullen we onze militaire middelen en dus ook gevechtsvliegtuigen, veelal over het water moeten gaan aanvoeren. Niet helemaal onverstandig, want veel van onze strategische belangen elders in de wereld gaan om de daar gelegen strategische vaarwegen en kwetsbare maritieme bottlenecks. Omdat inzet van grote vliegdekschepen wat minder past bij de Duitse..en ook Nederlandse..traditie denk ik dan dus snel aan LHD's..met het enige 5e generatie gevechtsvliegtuig dat daarop kan opereren, de F-35B.
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 12/09/2018 | 22:36 uurDe Duitsers hebben ook niet de ambitie om een supermacht te worden binnen de EU. Daarvoor hebben we de Fransen al... (en de Britten bollen het af, maar die zijn ook al een pak minder "Super" dan pakweg 20 jaar geleden -  De Duitsers trouwens ook)

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Ambitie niet hebben is 1, EUropese supermacht zijn en worden is twee. Dat laatste de realiteit, het eerste wensdenken in bepaalde Duitse pacifistische kringen. Duitsland moet simpelweg wel. Al was het maar om een balans te vormen tegenover het altijd ambitieuze Frankrijk nu de Britten de EU gaan verlaten en verder wegzakken in interne strubbelingen. Merkel en haar defensieminister zijn zich hier volgens mij goed van bewust en hebben de nodige ambities, ook militair gezien. De SPD blijft een blok aan het been...maar voor hoelang nog? Want zij willen graag de sociale stelsels e.d. behouden..maar zullen ook gaan inzien dat dan ook de Duitsers ver van huis de EUropese strategische belangen zullen moeten gaan beschermen en waar nodig verdedigen tegen vooral het oprukkende China.

En dan heb ik het nog niet gehad over de blijvende impact van radicalisme en instortende dictaturen elders bij nieuwe "lentes" in de wereld. En de enorme problemen cq uitdagingen in Afrika en hun grote impact op Europa.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/09/2018 | 17:42 uur
Swiss Lay Groundwork for Fighter, Air Defense Missile Acquisitions

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/feature/5/195880/swiss-lay-groundwork-for-fighter%2C-air-defense-missile-acquisitions.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/09/2018 | 09:36 uur
Nammo completes first live fire trials of GAU-22 gun for F-35 aircraft

https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/nammo-live-fire-trials-gau-22-f-35/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/09/2018 | 10:22 uur
The Evolution Of The F-35's Unit Cost [Infographic] via @forbes

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/09/14/the-evolution-of-the-f-35s-unit-cost-infographic/#30d0a1747501
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/09/2018 | 10:38 uur
The US F-22 is not at a 'major disadvantage' against the Russian Su-35

https://washex.am/2Ok5FyV
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 17/09/2018 | 08:59 uur
Switzerland plans to retire 27 F-5s this year    ( Dan zullen ze toch nu wel een keer haast moeten maken met de vervanging van hun F-5's en F-18's  )

The Swiss military has indicated of its desire to retire 27 Northrop F-5s from service. Four aircraft have already been donated to museums.

The rest have been grounded and buyers have been found. Switzerland will be left with 26 active F-5s.

http://alert5.com/2018/09/17/switzerland-plans-to-retire-27-f-5s-this-year/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/09/2018 | 09:23 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 17/09/2018 | 08:59 uur
Switzerland plans to retire 27 F-5s this year    ( Dan zullen ze toch nu wel een keer haast moeten maken met de vervanging van hun F-5's en F-18's  )

.../...

http://alert5.com/2018/09/17/switzerland-plans-to-retire-27-f-5s-this-year/

Zie reactie #2717. Dat de Zwitsers maar een goede vervanger voor de Hornet en Tiger II kiezen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 17/09/2018 | 09:24 uur
Air Force secretary plans to grow its squadron count. But will the budget follow?   
(ik ben erg benieuwd of de de groei van aantallen zal resulteren in extra aantallen F-35's. De F-35's is nog steeds niet jong volwassen en er zijn nog steeds problemen die opgelost moeten worden. Diverse upgrades om de huidige geproduceerde en die nu van de band lopen te kunnen voorzien van de helaas nog steeds niet volledige "battle" sofware. Dit zal de nodige extra dollars gaan kosten in een programma wat al de nodige technische en financiele kent. Time will tell ...)

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Rebecca Grant, an aerospace analyst at IRIS Independent Research, projected that the Air Force's analysis would show a requirement for more fighter squadrons — particularly for fifth-generation platforms with radar-evading stealth and advanced computing systems. Those capabilities could prove to be vital in a contest with Russia and China, which are making investments into missiles, electronic warfare and unmanned systems that could challenge fourth-generation planes.

"This is not a short-term fix," she said. "I would like to see a lot more F-35 squadrons. I would like to see a plan for a very robust number of bomber squadrons. They'll need the B-21 to fill that out, but it needs to be a robust plan."

"The fact of the matter is that the Air Force is under-resourced in every mission area that it has," said David Deptula, a retired Air Force lieutenant general and currently the dean of the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies.

Deptula argued that the service needs to nearly double its B-21 program of record from 100 to 180 planes, and buy F-35s at a much faster procurement rate of at least 80 jets per year. He also pointed to the age of T-38s used to train tactical aviators; they will be replaced by new T-X jets over the next decade.


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"We've been asked to defend the homeland and be able to confront either China or Russia. What would that mean if you don't have enough to do both? Where would you make the compromises?"

But Congress must understand the Air Force cannot go on much longer under such compromises, Deptula said.

"Talking about it is the only way to get attention," he said. "All of the services to a degree need to recapitalize their force structure in order to meet the needs of the National Security Strategy. It's not an arbitrary: 'Hey, we've got to get bigger, and we need more money.' "


https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/air-force-association/2018/09/17/air-force-secretary-plans-to-grow-its-squadron-count-but-will-the-budget-follow/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/09/2018 | 09:39 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 17/09/2018 | 09:24 uur
Air Force secretary plans to grow its squadron count. But will the budget follow?   
(ik ben erg benieuwd of de de groei van aantallen zal resulteren in extra aantallen F-35's. De F-35's is nog steeds niet jong volwassen en er zijn nog steeds problemen die opgelost moeten worden. Diverse upgrades om de huidige geproduceerde en die nu van de band lopen te kunnen voorzien van de helaas nog steeds niet volledige "battle" sofware. Dit zal de nodige extra dollars gaan kosten in een programma wat al de nodige technische en financiele kent. Time will tell ...)

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https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/air-force-association/2018/09/17/air-force-secretary-plans-to-grow-its-squadron-count-but-will-the-budget-follow/

Alle F-35's die sinds september 2017 worden geassembleerd, hebben Block 3F software. De rest krijgen ook de juiste software.

USS Essex met aan boord F-35B squadron VMFA-211 is op dit moment in het Midden-Oosten
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 17/09/2018 | 09:46 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 17/09/2018 | 09:23 uur
Zie reactie #2717. Dat de Zwitsers maar een goede vervanger voor de Hornet en Tiger II kiezen.
Interessante keuzes voor de Zwitsers. Die kwamen tenminste toch al bij een type uit: de Rafale. In België hopelijk eindelijk volgende maand een beslissing.
De Zwitserse AA-opties lijken me ook interessant: middellange afstand zal een omscholing vergen en anders denken bij de inzet van deze (nieuwe) middelen. (En ook iets dat België nagenoeg volledig afgestoten heeft)
Ben benieuwd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/09/2018 | 09:52 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 17/09/2018 | 09:46 uur
Interessante keuzes voor de Zwitsers. Die kwamen tenminste toch al bij een type uit: de Rafale. In België hopelijk eindelijk volgende maand een beslissing.
De Zwitserse AA-opties lijken me ook interessant: middellange afstand zal een omscholing vergen en anders denken bij de inzet van deze (nieuwe) middelen. (En ook iets dat België nagenoeg volledig afgestoten heeft)
Ben benieuwd.

De Zwitsers passen zich altijd aan. De F/A-18C/D was midden jaren 90 een flinke boost qua capaciteiten en de grond gebonden luchtverdediging kan een boost ook goed gebruiken. Wat minder jachtvliegruigen samen met betere luchtdoelraketten moet toch een goede balans zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/09/2018 | 10:02 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 17/09/2018 | 09:52 uur
De Zwitsers passen zich altijd aan. De F/A-18C/D was midden jaren 90 een flinke boost qua capaciteiten en de grond gebonden luchtverdediging kan een boost ook goed gebruiken. Wat minder jachtvliegruigen samen met betere luchtdoelraketten moet toch een goede balans zijn.

In de Zwitserse situatie zou ik denk ik voor de Rafale gaan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/09/2018 | 10:05 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/09/2018 | 10:02 uur
In de Zwitserse situatie zou ik denk ik voor de Rafale gaan.

Kijken wat de Rafale F4 variant doet t.o.v. de concurrentie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 17/09/2018 | 10:09 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 17/09/2018 | 09:39 uur
Alle F-35's die sinds september 2017 worden geassembleerd, hebben Block 3F software. De rest krijgen ook de juiste software.

USS Essex met aan boord F-35B squadron VMFA-211 is op dit moment in het Midden-Oosten

Lees onderstaand artikel maar eens.  Ik weet het, het is ook een lange weg, maar software versie 3F is nog niet 100% combat ready

F-35 flight tests are being delayed by onboard software snafus

F-35 fighter jets are running so many different versions of their core software that a US government watchdog has warned of knock-on delays to flight tests.

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The software, identified by its Block number, has so far been through tens of iterations, with Block 3F – the latest version – having been through more than 30 versions by autumn last year.

"As of late October 2017, the program was preparing a second version of Block 3FR6.3 (3FR6.32), the 31st version of Block 3F, software as it continues work to resolve key remaining deficiencies," said DOTE in its annual report, which was published late last week. "The [F-35] program is using test point data from older versions of software to sign off capability specifications and justify baseline test point deletions, even though the old data may no longer be representative of the latest version of Block 3F software."


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The DOTE report tells us that software problems are piling up, delaying flight testing. As the Royal Navy has publicly declared that the F-35 will "achieve initial operational capability" this year, which El Reg thinks will mean December. IOC means, in plain English, "if a war broke out tomorrow we could send this into combat but it can't yet do everything we want".

If any further delays of the type that DOTE identified last year occur again this year, we could see delays to Britain's plans of having a ready-to-fight squadron of jets. And that would mean money being spent on the F-35 would, in part, be money wasted.



https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/30/f35_dote_report_software_snafus/



Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/09/2018 | 10:23 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 17/09/2018 | 10:09 uur
Lees onderstaand artikel maar eens.  Ik weet het, het is ook een lange weg, maar software versie 3F is nog niet 100% combat ready

F-35 flight tests are being delayed by onboard software snafus

F-35 fighter jets are running so many different versions of their core software that a US government watchdog has warned of knock-on delays to flight tests.

.../...

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/30/f35_dote_report_software_snafus/

Dat was in januari. Onderstaande link van vorige week over de huidige stand.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/09/12/f-35-operational-testing-delayed-until-latest-software-delivers/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 17/09/2018 | 10:55 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 17/09/2018 | 10:23 uur
Dat was in januari. Onderstaande link van vorige week over de huidige stand.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/09/12/f-35-operational-testing-delayed-until-latest-software-delivers/

Hopelijk zal dan de laatste versie ; Software version 30R02, het meeste gefixt zijn/worden en kan het testen daadwerkelijk plaatsvinden en afgerond worden, zodat ook echt de productie "full rate" kan gaan.
 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/09/2018 | 10:58 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 17/09/2018 | 10:55 uur
Hopelijk zal dan de laatste versie ; Software version 30R02, het meeste gefixt zijn/worden en kan het testen daadwerkelijk plaatsvinden en afgerond worden, zodat ook echt de productie "full rate" kan gaan.


Zie de F-35 Fast Facts September 2018 voor de productie verwachtingen t/m 2023.

https://a855196877272cb14560-2a4fa819a63ddcc0c289f9457bc3ebab.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/13567/fg17-18980_012_f-35.comfastfacts9-183.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 17/09/2018 | 11:23 uur
Australia Also Interested in Hybrid Lightning-Raptor Fighter

Hybrid Lightning-Raptor fighter worth a look, defence analyst says Plans to develop a hybrid fighter plane combining the "brain" of the F-35 Lightning with the highly manoeuverable airframe of the US Air Force's F-22 Raptor should be watched closely, says a leading Australian defence ­analyst. Concerns have been raised about the ability of the fifth-generation F-35 stealth fighter to provide air superiority when confronting a new range of Russian jets being ­acquired by China. This has prompted a call for Australia to join Japan in looking at buying a hybrid aircraft being proposed by the planes' manufacturer Lockheed Martin and involving the futuristic avionics of the F-35 being worked into the US Air Force's F-22 Raptor. Malcolm Davis, a former ­assistant director for the Defence Department in strategic policy guidance, cautioned about any moves to seek to buy a hybrid but said it was "worth watching". He did not support all the criticism of the F-35 but acknowledged it had taken so long to develop that adversaries had time to develop counter-measures.

"While it (the F-35) will maintain an acceptable level of performance until about 10 to 15 years into the lifetime of the aircraft, we may then face a situation where it's not providing that solid degree of technical edge that we need,'' said Dr Davis, a senior analyst with the Australian Strategic Policy Institute specialising in ­defence and security issues. However, he stopped short of recommending Australia immediately try to buy the new plane. "We should be open to other solutions, both manned and unmanned," he said, noting that the US was developing other programs involving unmanned aircraft that were equally interesting. Yesterday, business journalist Robert Gottliebsen stepped up his attack on the F-35, saying it was unreliable and would fail under attack as it did not deliver air superiority over Chinese aircraft, which could fly higher and faster.

However Dr Davis questioned Gottliebsen's view of how the F-35 would be outclassed in air combat, saying it was "simplistic". "What they are saying that technically the Su-35 has super speed and height advantage but what he's ignoring is the F-35's stealth capability and secondly it's data integration and offboard sensors." In April defence sources told Reuters that Lockheed Martin had approached Japan offering to build a stealth fighter hybrid of the two aircraft. Defence Minister Christopher Pyne has rejected criticism of the F-35, saying critics do not have access to all the information available to the government.

[Source: The Australian ]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/09/2018 | 11:46 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 17/09/2018 | 11:23 uur
Australia Also Interested in Hybrid Lightning-Raptor Fighter


Zo wordt het wel een interessante optie voor LM om deze kist te ontwikkelen (met 3 potentiële afnemers in de startblokken).

Ik heb zo mijn twijfel over deze optie, als vandaag groen licht gegeven zou worden dan zie ik dit voorstel niet operationeel voor 2030 en het gaat dit zeer vermoedelijk ten kosten van de ontwikkeling van een volgende generatie kist (PCA) die 5 jaar later (volgens de huidige plannen) operationeel zou moeten zijn.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/09/2018 | 11:54 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/09/2018 | 11:46 uur
Zo wordt het wel een interessante optie voor LM om deze kist te ontwikkelen (met 3 potentiële afnemers in de startblokken).

Ik heb zo mijn twijfel over deze optie, als vandaag groen licht gegeven zou worden dan zie ik dit voorstel niet operationeel voor 2030 en het gaat dit zeer vermoedelijk ten kosten van de ontwikkeling van een volgende generatie kist (PCA) die 5 jaar later (volgens de huidige plannen) operationeel zou moeten zijn.

Echter heeft Australië maar budget voor +/- 100 jachtvliegtuigen. Dit handhaven zij al de afgelopen 50 jaar.

De kans op iets anders naast de F-35A, F/A-18F en EA-18G is zeer klein tot nihil.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/09/2018 | 13:42 uur
RAAF takes delivery of ninth F-35A

http://adbr.com.au/raaf-takes-delivery-of-ninth-f-35a/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 17/09/2018 | 14:01 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/09/2018 | 11:46 uur
Zo wordt het wel een interessante optie voor LM om deze kist te ontwikkelen (met 3 potentiële afnemers in de startblokken).

Ik heb zo mijn twijfel over deze optie, als vandaag groen licht gegeven zou worden dan zie ik dit voorstel niet operationeel voor 2030 en het gaat dit zeer vermoedelijk ten kosten van de ontwikkeling van een volgende generatie kist (PCA) die 5 jaar later (volgens de huidige plannen) operationeel zou moeten zijn.

Zeker interessant, maar alleen als het toestel in 2025 leverbaar is !
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/09/2018 | 08:27 uur
We're Stuck With the F-35 and That Might Not Be a Bad Thing Anymore

https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/were-stuck-with-the-f-35-and-that-might-not-be-a-bad-th-1828869804
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/09/2018 | 08:35 uur
Why the Air Force Won't Buy the F-15X or 'New' F-22 Raptor

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-air-force-wont-buy-f-15x-or-new-f-22-raptor-31442
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/09/2018 | 11:02 uur
F-35 stress tests raise possibility of longer service life  ( goed nieuws  :big-smile: )

After completing static, drop and durability testing on the F-35A, Lockheed Martin believes that early results indicate potential for an increased service life certification of the stealth fighter.

The F-35's service lifetime is designed to be 8,000h, but each test airframe is required to successfully complete two lifetimes of testing, the equivalent of 16,000h. The F-35A exceeded the requirement by completing three full lifetimes of testing, 24,000h, prompting Lockheed to moot the potential service-life extension.

"We look forward to analyzing the results and bringing forward the data to potentially extend the aircraft's lifetime certification even further," said Greg Ulmer, Lockheed Martin's vice president and general manager of the F-35 program. "Already certified for one of the longest lifetimes of any fighter, an increase would greatly reduce future costs for all F-35 customers over several decades to come."

The USAF plans to fly the F-35A until at least 2070, so a longer lifespan per aircraft may allow the service to reach that goal without having to purchase new fighters. However, as aircraft age they become more expensive to maintain and operate, making it unclear if a service life extension of the F-35A would be economical.

The F-35A airframe completed its testing at BAE Systems in Brough, England. The F-35B and C variants were tested at Lockheed Martin's facility in Fort Worth, Texas, though the company did not release the results for those variants. All variants will eventually undergo final teardown inspections at the National Institute for Aviation Research in Wichita, Kansas.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-35-stress-tests-raise-possibility-of-longer-servic-451964/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/09/2018 | 12:19 uur
Raytheon pitches USAF on F-35A auto-landing system

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/raytheon-pitches-usaf-on-f-35a-auto-landing-system-452040/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 20/09/2018 | 12:33 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 20/09/2018 | 12:19 uur
Raytheon pitches USAF on F-35A auto-landing system

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/raytheon-pitches-usaf-on-f-35a-auto-landing-system-452040/

Klint goed, iets voor de KLU? Dan mogen ze die humvee houden zetten we het wel in een vector  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrategNL op 20/09/2018 | 18:05 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 20/09/2018 | 12:33 uur
Klint goed, iets voor de KLU? Dan mogen ze die humvee houden zetten we het wel in een vector  :angel:
En straks ook op onze LHDs voor de F35Bs! :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 20/09/2018 | 19:11 uur
Citaat van: StrategNL op 20/09/2018 | 18:05 uur
En straks ook op onze LHDs voor de F35Bs! :angel:
Zucht  :dead:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 20/09/2018 | 23:40 uur
Citaat van: StrategNL op 20/09/2018 | 18:05 uur
En straks ook op onze LHDs voor de F35Bs! :angel:

Kun je aub gewoon even een paar dagen verdwijnen van dit forum.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/09/2018 | 07:43 uur
F-35A JSF could triple expected lifetime

https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/strike-air-combat/2902-f-35a-jsf-could-triple-expected-lifetime
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/09/2018 | 07:45 uur
Affordability Initiative May Bring F-35 Price Under $80 Million

http://aviationweek.com/combat-aircraft/affordability-initiative-may-bring-f-35-price-under-80-million via @aviationweek
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 21/09/2018 | 10:42 uur
Citaat van: StrategNL op 20/09/2018 | 18:05 uur
En straks ook op onze LHDs voor de F35Bs! :angel:
Ik vermoed dat ik bij deze ook de negeerlijst zal joinen, maar hou asjeblieft op met die onrealistische onzin. een LHD zou misschien met de 2% norm kunnen. maar de F-35B gaat gewoon niet gebeuren voor NL tenzij WO3 zou uitbreken. Basta

Laten we het over nuttige en realistische dingen hebben, die op het betreffende topic slaan.
Edit: Ik heb niets persoonlijk tegen je en ben ook nooit betrokken geweest bij de vorige vetes die blijkbaar mee lijken te spelen. Maar het komt het forum en de kwaliteit discussies niet ten goede als elk topic volgespamd wordt met de StrategNL visie op een ideaale krijgsmacht. Daar hebben we topics voor zoals 'Alternatief defensiebeleid' e.d.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 21/09/2018 | 12:13 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 21/09/2018 | 10:42 uur
Daar hebben we topics voor zoals 'Alternatief defensiebeleid' e.d.

Welk topic bedoel je met Alternatief defensiebeleid'?

Heb je een link voor mij?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/09/2018 | 12:17 uur
Pentagon Is Usually Mum About Nukes In Europe — But Touts F-35's Role

https://www.investors.com/news/nuclear-weapons-f35-deterrent-europe-strategic-command/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 21/09/2018 | 13:14 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 21/09/2018 | 12:13 uur
Welk topic bedoel je met Alternatief defensiebeleid'?

Heb je een link voor mij?
https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/index.php?topic=17514.0

Veel leesplezier  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 21/09/2018 | 14:41 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 21/09/2018 | 12:13 uur
Welk topic bedoel je met Alternatief defensiebeleid'?

Heb je een link voor mij?

Ben je niet goed? :dead:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/09/2018 | 15:49 uur
U.S. Marine Corps F-35B Jets Involved In First Operational Deployment Near the Horn of Africa Flying With...

http://disq.us/t/36impv9
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/09/2018 | 15:59 uur
Citaat van: The Aviationist op 21/09/2018 | 15:49 uur
U.S. Marine Corps F-35B Jets Involved In First Operational Deployment Near the Horn of Africa Flying With...

http://disq.us/t/36impv9

Nog even en dan heeft ook de US Navy weer een gun pod voor een fighter jet in gebruik. De laatste was de Mk4 gun pod voor de A-4 Skyhawk en F-4 Phantom II.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/09/2018 | 12:08 uur
Procurement: F-35 Faces The Accountants

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htproc/articles/20180922.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/09/2018 | 16:30 uur
Russian fighter jets intercept U.S. F-22 Raptor flying over Syria

https://defence-blog.com/news/russian-fighter-jets-intercept-u-s-f-22-raptor-flying-over-syria.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 24/09/2018 | 17:41 uur
Canada to acquire used F-18 fighter jets from Australia

https://defence-blog.com/news/canada-to-acquire-used-f-18-fighter-jets-from-australia.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/09/2018 | 17:47 uur
Citaat van: Defence Blog op 24/09/2018 | 17:41 uur
Canada to acquire used F-18 fighter jets from Australia

https://defence-blog.com/news/canada-to-acquire-used-f-18-fighter-jets-from-australia.html

Ergens wel triest dat Canada dit moet doen, terwijl zij meer Hornets nieuw geleverd kregen dan Australië.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/09/2018 | 17:56 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 24/09/2018 | 17:47 uur
Ergens wel triest dat Canada dit moet doen, terwijl zij meer Hornets nieuw geleverd kregen dan Australië.

Het slaat werkelijk helemaal nergens op, leuk voor de Aussies die nog een leuke prijs voor hun afgeschreven kisten krijgen, maar dit krijg je als types als R.E. uit K zich teveel met een politiekbesluitvormingsproces gaan bemoeien.... terwijl de uitkomst al zo goed als zeker vast lijkt te staan....

Kortom: de Canadezen hebben weer eens geld weggegooid.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/09/2018 | 18:02 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/09/2018 | 17:56 uur
Het slaat werkelijk helemaal nergens op, leuk voor de Aussies die nog een leuke prijs voor hun afgeschreven kisten krijgen, maar dit krijg je als types als R.E. uit K zich teveel met een politiekbesluitvormingsproces gaan bemoeien.... terwijl de uitkomst al zo goed als zeker vast lijkt te staan....

Kortom: de Canadezen hebben weer eens geld weggegooid.

Komt nog bij dat Canada in de jaren 90 een hoop Hornets uit dienst nam en maar een deel een MLU kreeg. Nu is de nood dusdanig hoog dat zij in het buitenland voor extra Hornets moeten shoppen  :(
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/09/2018 | 18:18 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 24/09/2018 | 18:02 uur
Komt nog bij dat Canada in de jaren 90 een hoop Hornets uit dienst nam en maar een deel een MLU kreeg. Nu is de nood dusdanig hoog dat zij in het buitenland voor extra Hornets moeten shoppen  :(

Lang leve politici  :sick:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/09/2018 | 18:26 uur
US F-35 fighter jet conducts first-ever airstrike (USMC heeft de primeur)

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/27/politics/airstrike-afghanistan-first-f-35b/?no-st=1538063463
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/09/2018 | 10:19 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/09/2018 | 16:42 uur
Pentagon and Lockheed Martin Agree To Reduced F-35 Price in New Production Contract (LRIP 11)

https://www.f35.com/news/detail/pentagon-and-lockheed-martin-agree-to-reduced-f-35-price-in-new-production?linkId=100000003610351
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/09/2018 | 19:16 uur
luis martinez‏Geverifieerd account @LMartinezABC 

BREAKING:  Military official confirms that Marine F-35B fighter aircraft has crashed in Beaufort County, SC  by MCAS Beaufort.  Pilot is believed to have ejected, no update on pilot's status.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/09/2018 | 19:29 uur
F-35B Crashes Near Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort; Local Sheriff Says Pilot Ejected Safely

https://news.usni.org/2018/09/28/breaking-f-35b-crashes-near-marine-corps-air-station-beaufort
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 02/10/2018 | 16:54 uur
Three Proposals Were Received at Ministry of Defense (Bulgarije) for Four Types of Combat Aircraft

The Bulgarian Ministry of Defence on Monday opened in public the four bids it received for its new fighter competition: new F-16s and F-18s from the United States, new Saab Gripen C/Ds from Sweden and used Eurofighters from Italy.

At the Defense Ministry today, October 1, the proposals of three states - the United States, Sweden and Italy - were received for the supply of a new type of combat aircraft.

According to the procedure, the proposals were opened in the order of their receipt by the Air Force Commander Major General Tsanko Stoykov, who is the chair of the joint interdepartmental working group for the project. The first two proposals were from the United States - for new F-18s and new F-16s, Sweden's proposal for new Gripen was third and the fourth bid was from Italy for Eurofighter.

Deputy Minister Zapryanov thanked the countries that sent their proposals as well as the other countries to which the Ministry of Defense sent out inquiries: France - for new and used "Rafale;" Germany, for new and used "Eurofighter;" Portugal, for used F-16 and Israel, also for used F-16.

"This is a historic moment for the modernization and rearmament of Bulgarian military aviation," Deputy Minister Zapryanov said.

What follows from now on?

First of all, the Proposals will be filed under the Classified Information Protection Act as they contain classified information belonging to the bidding States.

The Joint Task Force appointed by the Prime Minister will begin work on analyzing proposals as of 2 October. It is planned that the group will finish its work within 14 working days - by October 19. This period may be extended in case additional information is requested from the tenderers.

Upon completion of the analysis, a Political Military Steering Group, appointed by order of the Prime Minister, will hold talks with the countries on their offers to improve the proposals. The work of the Political and Military Steering Group will end with a summary report to the Minister of Defense, which will then be submitted to the Council of Ministers which will make a political decision on how to implement the project.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/196418/four-bids-submitted-in-bulgarian-fighter-tender.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/10/2018 | 19:21 uur
F-35s Behind, Line Needs More Automation; Services Plan to Mod Early Jets

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2018/October%202018/F-35s-Behind-Line-Needs-More-Automation-Services-Plan-to-Mod-Early-Jets.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/10/2018 | 09:51 uur
F-35 Hourly Flying Costs Plunge $12K; Turkey Still Getting 100 F-35s

https://breakingdefense.com/2018/10/f-35-hourly-flying-costs-plunge-12k-turkey-still-getting-100-f-35s/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/10/2018 | 09:00 uur
Defense Ministry to develop own fighter jet to succeed F-2, may seek int'l project - The Mainichi

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20181004/p2a/00m/0na/001000c
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/10/2018 | 20:33 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/10/2018 | 09:00 uur
Defense Ministry to develop own fighter jet to succeed F-2, may seek int'l project - The Mainichi


Hiermee is een doorstart van de F22 en een doorontwikkeling van een standaard F22A naar een hybride versie (F22/F35) van de baan...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 05/10/2018 | 08:51 uur
Media: Indonesia has Postponed the Purchase of Russian Fighters Due to US Sanctions‍
MOSCOW - RIA News. The implementation of the Russian-Indonesian contract for the supply of 11 Su-35 fighters to Jakarta has been delayed due to possible US sanctions, the Kommersant newspaper reports, citing two top managers of defense enterprises and a source close to the government. According to the newspaper, restrictive measures that Washington is ready to introduce within the framework of the Law on Countering the Opponents of the United States through Sanctions (CAATSA) have had an effect on the delivery time of the Su-35. "The US has not given Indonesia guarantees not to apply restrictive measures," the newspaper writes. At the same time, Kommersant notes that the contract for the supply of Su-35 retains its legal force.

In addition, according to the newspaper, Russia also has difficulties. "When implementing the contract, it was planned to use a credit scheme, funds for which would be allocated by one of the commercial banks. But this is fraught with serious consequences for him, because in the US they regard this loan as cooperation with Rosoboronexport and impose sanctions against the bank," the newspaper writes. One of the interlocutors of the publication called the situation "unpleasant, but in no way critical." "We are in constant contact with our Indonesian partners, looking for ways out of the situation," he added.

Supply of Su-35 to Indonesia
In September, the Indonesian Ambassador to Russia Mohammad Wahid Supriyadi said that Indonesia expects to receive the first Su-35 in October 2019. Prior to this, the diplomat stated that Indonesia expects delivery of the first of 11 Russian Su-35 aircraft by October 2018. In June, he said that Indonesia had signed an agreement with Russia to purchase 11 newest Sukhoi aircraft, calling the deal "very large." Earlier, Director of International Cooperation and Regional Policy of Rostec State Corporation Viktor Kladov said that Indonesia could purchase an additional batch of Su-35 fighter jets while allocating the necessary funds from the country's budget. According to the Director General of the Foreign Trade Department of the Indonesian Ministry of Commerce, Oke Noorwan, the cost of the deal to buy 11 Russian aircraft is estimated at 1.14 billion dollars He noted that, according to the terms of the agreement, Russia needs to purchase a number of goods from Indonesia, including palm oil, coffee, tea and rubber, worth about 570 million dollars.

[Source: Ria.ru]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/10/2018 | 10:34 uur
Marines connect F-35 jet to HIMARS rocket shot for first time

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2018/10/05/marines-connect-f-35-jet-to-himars-rocket-shot-for-first-time/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 06/10/2018 | 14:57 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 06/10/2018 | 10:34 uur
Marines connect F-35 jet to HIMARS rocket shot for first time

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2018/10/05/marines-connect-f-35-jet-to-himars-rocket-shot-for-first-time/

En hierom is de MLRS/HIMARS interessant voor ons als F-35 gebruiker.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 06/10/2018 | 15:11 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 06/10/2018 | 14:57 uur
En hierom is de MLRS/HIMARS interessant voor ons als F-35 gebruiker.

Dit zou zeker iets kunnen zijn dat een + geeft bij de keuze van de KL als we over gaan tot aankoop van een raket artillerie systeem. Naast de F-35 moet zoiets ook mogelijk zijn om te doen met een UAV/RPA in de toekomst als de sensoren goed genoeg zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/10/2018 | 14:47 uur
Hornets need outer-wing 'changes' to support life-extension

https://www.janes.com/article/83617/hornets-need-outer-wing-changes-to-support-life-extension
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/10/2018 | 17:11 uur
F-35 to Begin OT&E in Mid-November Despite 900 'Unresolved Deficiencies'

Lockheed's F-35 Wins Pentagon Approval for Full Combat Testing

Pentagon weapons buyer Ellen Lord has approved plans to begin full combat testing of Lockheed Martin Corp.'s F-35, a major step toward full production of the fighter jet planned for next year.

Lord, the undersecretary for acquisition, "certified readiness to enter operational testing after concurring" with the F-35 program manager's recommendation to start in mid-November, her spokesman, Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Mike Andrews, said in a statement to Bloomberg News.

More than 320 F-35s are already operating from 15 bases worldwide, although the Pentagon and Lockheed continue to wrestle with resolving more than 900 deficiencies, including flaws in the plane's complex software. That's a result of the Defense Department's strategy to start producing the plane while it's still under development, a strategy that a chief Pentagon weapons buyer once called "acquisition malpractice."

By law, the F-35 must undergo full combat testing to demonstrate that it's "operationally effective and suitable" against the most sophisticated aviation and air defense threats before the Pentagon can buy the bulk of the planned 2,456 U.S. aircraft.


voor het complete en een uitgebreide versie van het artikel ;
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-05/lockheed-s-f-35-wins-pentagon-approval-for-full-combat-testing
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 08/10/2018 | 17:46 uur
Brazil re-launches effort to sell surplus Mirage 2000s

The Brazilian Air Force has launched a new effort to sell 11 of the 12 Dassault Mirage 2000C/B combat aircraft it operated until December 2013.

An invitation for bidding by the Brazilian Aeronautical Commission in Washington, DC, (CABW) to sell eight aircraft currently parked at the Wing 1 in Anápolis and three at the Wing 2 in Brasília was issued on 4 October.

The nine single-seat and two twin-seat aircraft are in a non-flyable condition, and it is not known if the sale includes engines. Responses are due by 6 November.

https://www.janes.com/article/83606/brazil-re-launches-effort-to-sell-surplus-mirage-2000s
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/10/2018 | 08:21 uur
The Tempest combat aircraft: there's a storm coming

https://www.theengineer.co.uk/tempest-combat-aircraft/#.W7xIrPaJQjg.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/10/2018 | 16:37 uur
Lee Hudson‏ @LeeHudson_ · 52 min52 minuten geleden 

From the #F35 JPO: The U.S. Services and international partners have temporarily suspended F-35 flight operations while the enterprise conducts a fleet-wide inspection of a fuel tube within the engine on all F-35 aircraft.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 11/10/2018 | 16:47 uur
Verenigde Staten houden F-35 tijdelijk aan de grond na crash
   
De Verenigde Staten houden hun F-35 gevechtsvliegtuigen, ook wel bekend als Joint Strike Fighters, tijdelijk aan de grond. Reden hiervoor is een recente crash van een van de toestellen.

Het Pentagon heeft besloten dat bepaalde brandstofkleppen in alle toestellen opnieuw moeten worden geïnspecteerd. Dat zal ongeveer 48 uur duren.

Eind september stortte een F-35 van de Amerikaanse marine neer in de buurt van Grays Hill in de staat South Carolina. Volgens de autoriteiten had de piloot zich met zijn schietstoel in veiligheid gebracht.

Het Nederlandse leger heeft meer dan dertig Joint Strike Fighters besteld om de verouderde F-16's te vervangen.

ANP, 11 oktober 2018 16:11
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/10/2018 | 16:47 uur
Lara Seligman‏Geverifieerd account @laraseligman 

According to the JPO, if suspect fuel tubes are installed, the part will be removed and replaced. If known good fuel tubes are already installed, then those aircraft will be returned to flight status.  Inspections are expected to be completed within the next 24 to 48 hours.

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Lara Seligman‏Geverifieerd account @laraseligman · 29 min29 minuten geleden 

UPDATE: Sources now telling me the Italians have already inspected their F-35s and they do not have the faulty part. They are back to flying already. No word yet on the status of the UK jets


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/10/2018 | 09:39 uur
Preliminary F-35C Feedback is Positive, As Formal Operational Testing Begins This Fall

https://news.usni.org/2018/10/11/navy-positive-after-early-f-35c-carrier-tests
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/10/2018 | 12:12 uur
F-35s with 13th MEU and Marine air wings are back to normal flight operations

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2018/10/12/f-35s-with-13th-meu-and-marine-air-wings-are-back-to-normal-flight-operations-after-temporary-grounding-2/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 13/10/2018 | 13:22 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/10/2018 | 09:39 uur
Preliminary F-35C Feedback is Positive, As Formal Operational Testing Begins This Fall

https://news.usni.org/2018/10/11/navy-positive-after-early-f-35c-carrier-tests
Ligt geheel in lijn met de ervaringen van de Israelische luchtmacht en de US Air Force.

Begin vorig jaar, deden F-35A's voor het eerst mee aan de realistische Red Flag oefening.

Conclusies: de F-35 familie heeft nog een lange ontwikkelingsweg te gaan, maar de ervaringen tot nu toe zijn wel (veel) belovend.
Daar staat wel tegenover dat de F-35 duurder in gebruik is dan de grotere, zwaardere en 2-motorige F-22A Raptor !
En vooral tijdens een (zeer) realistische oefening a la Red Flag, bron: US Air Force.

Was de F-16A block 5 t/m 15 conceptueel nog een vervolg op de NF-5A/B en F-5E Tiger, maar dan met meer 'muscles'.   Dus meer wapenlast, meer bereik en betere wendbaarheid.
De F-35 familie is vervolgens een (in mijn ogen te ver doorgevoerde) evolutie van het multi-role concept van de F-16C/D block 40 t/m 52 'Viper' en F/A-18A t/m F Hornet.
Hierbij draait het niet om meer 'muscles', maar juist meer en betere 'brains'.   En dan gaan die 'individuele F-35 brains' ook nog eens intensiever met elkaar netwerken dan vroegere jachtvliegtuigen.

Zoals gezegd: de F-35A is geen revolutie, maar een evolutie.
Maar om de bijvoorbeeld t.o.v. de F-16AM/BM enorm toegenomen vaardigheden van deze kist volledig te benutten.  Heeft de KLu wel een heel andere organisatie structuur nodig.  Waarom ?  De warfighter, de krijger, in dit geval de vlieger krijgt met de F-35 veel meer informatie in handen dan voorheen, die door zijn kist bewerkt worden in een overzichtelijk totaal-beeld, welke ook nog eens veel verder reikt dan bij een F-16AM.  Dus de vlieger krijgt veel meer verantwoordelijkheid en door de toegenomen netwerk communicatie mogelijkheden, gaat de snelheid van oorlogvoeren weer 'een paar tandjes' sneller.  Hij / zij moet dan ook veel sneller zelf kunnen beslissen, in plaats van een hiërarchische werkwijze volgen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/10/2018 | 22:46 uur
Hurricane Cost May Skyrocket As Billions In Stealth Fighter Jets Unaccounted For; Tyndall AFB "Complete Loss" | Zero Hedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-13/hurricane-cost-may-skyrocket-billions-stealth-fighter-jets-unaccounted-tyndall-afb
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/10/2018 | 22:48 uur
Tyndall Air Force Base a 'Complete Loss' Amid Questions About Stealth Fighters

https://nyti.ms/2A5MMel
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/10/2018 | 22:51 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/10/2018 | 22:46 uur
Hurricane Cost May Skyrocket As Billions In Stealth Fighter Jets Unaccounted For; Tyndall AFB "Complete Loss" | Zero Hedge


22 F22A (!!!) Unaccounted For....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 13/10/2018 | 23:07 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/10/2018 | 22:51 uur
22 F22A (!!!) Unaccounted For....

Dat is toch 3,3 miljard dollar dat ''weg gewaaid'' is  :silent: Ik vraag me af waarom ze niet alle kisten in veiligheid gebracht hebben.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ros op 13/10/2018 | 23:08 uur
Toch maar eens gaan bouwen met 'hurricane' bestendige nietjes ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 13/10/2018 | 23:16 uur
Citaat van: Ros op 13/10/2018 | 23:08 uur
Toch maar eens gaan bouwen met 'hurricane' bestendige nietjes ?

Daar zouden wij met onze bunkers geen last van hebben die waaien niet zomaar kapot, jammer genoeg hebben we niet zoveel bunkers meer in gebruik waardoor we alle jets kwijt kunnen.

Ik kwam deze video nog tegen van de basis  :omg: :confused: Duidelijk te zien dat er naast de F-22's nog veel meer toestellen kapot zijn.
Op de basis zijn de onderstaande eenheden gestationeerd:
- 325th Fighter Wing (F-22)
- 44th Fighter Group (F-22)
- 325 Fighter Wing Associate Unit
- First Air Force  (HQ)
- 53d Weapons Evaluation Group (QF-16 / QF-4)
- 337th Air Control Squadron
- Air Force Civil Engineer Center

Ik kan niet alle type toestellen thuis brengen die in de video te zien zijn wel de F-22 en QF-16.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 13/10/2018 | 23:21 uur
Citaat van: Ros op 13/10/2018 | 23:08 uur
Toch maar eens gaan bouwen met 'hurricane' bestendige nietjes ?
#dtv Wat versta je onder 'nietjes'?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 13/10/2018 | 23:48 uur
Hadden ze dan zoveel niet luchtwaardige kisten dat ze die niet konden uitvliegen want dat was toch op de 9de gebeurd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 13/10/2018 | 23:52 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 13/10/2018 | 23:48 uur
Hadden ze dan zoveel niet luchtwaardige kisten dat ze die niet konden uitvliegen want dat was toch op de 9de gebeurd.

In een artikel stond:

Citaat
Air Force officials have not disclosed the whereabouts of the remaining 22 planes, other than to say that a number of aircraft were left at the base because of maintenance or safety reasons.

Dus een deel was in onderhoud (niet luchtwaardig) en een ander deel kon vanwege veiligheids redenen niet vertrekken en dat laatste is natuurlijk iets dat 100 oorzaken kan hebben.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ros op 14/10/2018 | 00:15 uur
Citaat van: Lex op 13/10/2018 | 23:21 uur
#dtv Wat versta je onder 'nietjes'?

Zij bouwen toch aardig wat door balken en platen aan elkaar te nieten en die constructies liggen bij de eerste beste zware storm plat.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/10/2018 | 09:28 uur
Setting The Record Straight On Why Fighter Jets Can't All Simply Fly Away To Escape Storms

Outrage over F-22s left behind at Tyndall AFB as Michael hit and statements saying they should have all been flown away are divorced from reality.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24204/setting-the-record-straight-on-why-fighter-jets-cant-all-simply-fly-away-to-escape-storms
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/10/2018 | 10:14 uur
Flinke domper  :omg:

Tyndall AFB is net als Luke AFB een opleidingscentrum.

De F-22 community heeft wel een flinke knauw gekregen.

Wat info over 325th Fighter Wing

https://www.tyndall.af.mil/Units/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/10/2018 | 10:23 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 14/10/2018 | 10:14 uur
Flinke domper  :omg:


Zeker, de getallen lopen uit een tot een maximum van 22 exemplaren. Hopelijk valt het mee al is elke verlies een aanzienlijk tegenvaller voor de US.

Het slechts mogelijke scenario: 22 exemplaren zou bijna 12% zijn van hun volledige Raptor vloot...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/10/2018 | 10:29 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/10/2018 | 10:23 uur
Zeker, de getallen lopen uit een tot een maximum van 22 exemplaren. Hopelijk valt het mee al is elke verlies een aanzienlijk tegenvaller voor de US.

Het slechts mogelijke scenario: 22 exemplaren zou bijna 12% zijn van hun volledige Raptor vloot...

En 325th Fighter Wing moet de opleiding kunnen blijven verzorgen, dus dat zal toch voor een herverdeling zorgen.

Artikel van Air Force Magazine.

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2018/October%202018/Tyndall-F-22s-Left-Behind-Before-Michael-Hit-Possibly-Damaged-Beyond-Repair.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 14/10/2018 | 14:26 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 13/10/2018 | 23:07 uur
Dat is toch 3,3 miljard dollar dat ''weg gewaaid'' is  :silent: Ik vraag me af waarom ze niet alle kisten in veiligheid gebracht hebben.

Nope:

Citaat van: zerohedge.com
F-22s are notoriously finicky and, as the Times puts it "not always flight-worthy." The Air Force reported earlier this year that just 49% of F-22s were mission ready at any given time - the lowest rate of any fighter in the Air Force. The total value of the unaccounted-for fighters is around $7.5 billion.
Bron/source: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-13/hurricane-cost-may-skyrocket-billions-stealth-fighter-jets-unaccounted-tyndall-afb
Maar wel typerend voor het 'rijke' Amerika. Bakken met geld, meest hoogwaardige krijgsmacht op aarde maar niet fatsoenlijke oorkaanbestendige shelters kunnen bouwen bij een basis in orkaangebied. (Sowieso apart, want veel shelters stammen uit de Koude Oorlog waar ze dus ook rekening moesten houden met Russische lange-afstands bommenwerpers. Doet je toch wel een nadenken hoe goed ze toen hebben nagedacht over vijandelijke missies boven hun eigen grondgebied, mocht het ooit zover komen.)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/10/2018 | 14:33 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 14/10/2018 | 14:26 uur
Nope:
Maar wel typerend voor het 'rijke' Amerika. Bakken met geld, meest hoogwaardige krijgsmacht op aarde maar niet fatsoenlijke oorkaanbestendige shelters kunnen bouwen bij een basis in orkaangebied. (Sowieso apart, want veel shelters stammen uit de Koude Oorlog waar ze dus ook rekening moesten houden met Russische lange-afstands bommenwerpers. Doet je toch wel een nadenken hoe goed ze toen hebben nagedacht over vijandelijke missies boven hun eigen grondgebied, mocht het ooit zover komen.)

Ze hebben vaak de grote hangaar en steeds meer sun shelters, maar niet de shelters zoals hier in West-Europa.

Naast het feit dat ongeveer 50% van de F-22A vloot gereed is, is ook een deel nog niet eens naar de laatste block versie opgewaardeerd. En afgelopen week maakte een tweede F-22A dit jaar een crash landing (zie crash topic).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/10/2018 | 08:02 uur
Lara Seligman‏Geverifieerd account @laraseligman 

UPDATE: an Air Force official tells me USAF assessed the damage at Tyndall today, including F-22s that weathered the storm. All aircraft are intact and initial indications are "promising."

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/10/2018 | 09:47 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 15/10/2018 | 10:41 uur
Ondanks dat ik begrijp dat het makkelijk praten is vanuit je stoel, kijkend naar een after-the-storm filmpje vanuit een helikopter vind ik het toch ook een beetje moeilijk te verkroppen dat een militair complex zo is blootgesteld aan een storm. Als ik kijk naar wat er allemaal blijkbaar overal geparkeerd stond lijken ze nogal overvallen. En dat voor een luchtmacht basis...of misschien is dat juist daarom minder vreemd.  :cute-smile:

Maar buiten de toestellen die bleven staan ( er moet toch met murica's might wel iets de bouwen zijn waardoor er een ruimte redelijk orkaan proof kan worden gemaakt in enkele dagen) had ik als basis commandant toch wel een plan klaargehad om alle voertuigen en zooi in ieder geval te borgen. Het lijkt ze zo 'overkomen'. De voertuigen hadden toch wel verplaatst kunnen worden? De ramen met hout bedekt? Zo'n basis, daar zitten tienduizenden mensen.

En dat alle toestellen niet geborgd kunnen worden, prima, dan niet alle toestellen. Maar met AL die mensen daar lijkt het me niet zo moeilijk je te focussen op die twee en twintig achtergelaten vliegtoestellen. Want de waarde die daaraan gekoppeld zit klopt niet aangezien ik lees dat reparaties JAREN duren aan zo'n toestel in sommige gevallen, brengt bij mij direct vragen op over het toestel en de bruikbaarheid maar in principe is zo'n toestel dan 100% afgeschreven als je er jaren niet over kunt beschikken.

Bottom line, bouw of versterk in ieder geval dan 1 gebouw waar je die apparaten inrolt, dan was het heel wat daadkrachtiger overgekomen dan dit en had je in ieder geval de publieke opinie meegehad want dat iedereen hier wat van vindt kan ik goed begrjipen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/10/2018 | 14:56 uur
USAF aircraft damaged as hurricane hits Tyndall AFB (wat meer over de aantallen)

https://www.janes.com/article/83791/usaf-aircraft-damaged-as-hurricane-hits-tyndall-afb
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/10/2018 | 19:32 uur
Air Force believes all F-22 jets that were left behind at Tyndall will fly again after Hurricane Michael

https://washex.am/2P1vdV9
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 15/10/2018 | 20:24 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 15/10/2018 | 10:41 uur
Ondanks dat ik begrijp dat het makkelijk praten is vanuit je stoel, kijkend naar een after-the-storm filmpje vanuit een helikopter vind ik het toch ook een beetje moeilijk te verkroppen dat een militair complex zo is blootgesteld aan een storm. Als ik kijk naar wat er allemaal blijkbaar overal geparkeerd stond lijken ze nogal overvallen. En dat voor een luchtmacht basis...of misschien is dat juist daarom minder vreemd.  :cute-smile:

Maar buiten de toestellen die bleven staan ( er moet toch met murica's might wel iets de bouwen zijn waardoor er een ruimte redelijk orkaan proof kan worden gemaakt in enkele dagen) had ik als basis commandant toch wel een plan klaargehad om alle voertuigen en zooi in ieder geval te borgen. Het lijkt ze zo 'overkomen'. De voertuigen hadden toch wel verplaatst kunnen worden? De ramen met hout bedekt? Zo'n basis, daar zitten tienduizenden mensen.

En dat alle toestellen niet geborgd kunnen worden, prima, dan niet alle toestellen. Maar met AL die mensen daar lijkt het me niet zo moeilijk je te focussen op die twee en twintig achtergelaten vliegtoestellen. Want de waarde die daaraan gekoppeld zit klopt niet aangezien ik lees dat reparaties JAREN duren aan zo'n toestel in sommige gevallen, brengt bij mij direct vragen op over het toestel en de bruikbaarheid maar in principe is zo'n toestel dan 100% afgeschreven als je er jaren niet over kunt beschikken.

Bottom line, bouw of versterk in ieder geval dan 1 gebouw waar je die apparaten inrolt, dan was het heel wat daadkrachtiger overgekomen dan dit en had je in ieder geval de publieke opinie meegehad want dat iedereen hier wat van vindt kan ik goed begrjipen.
In 1992, tijdens de zware orkaan "Andrew", waren dezelfde taferelen op getroffen US Air Force bases te aanschouwen.

Blijkbaar niets van geleerd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 15/10/2018 | 21:04 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 15/10/2018 | 10:41 uur
Ondanks dat ik begrijp dat het makkelijk praten is vanuit je stoel, kijkend naar een after-the-storm filmpje vanuit een helikopter vind ik het toch ook een beetje moeilijk te verkroppen dat een militair complex zo is blootgesteld aan een storm. Als ik kijk naar wat er allemaal blijkbaar overal geparkeerd stond lijken ze nogal overvallen. En dat voor een luchtmacht basis...of misschien is dat juist daarom minder vreemd.  :cute-smile:

Nou heb ik ff snel door dat filmpje gescrolld maar alles wat buiten stond waren museum stukken voor zover ik gezien heb en de paar shots van toestellen die binnen stonden waren de QF-16 target drones (die worden per definitie kapot geschoten) en de E9-A's... Of ik moet het stukje met de F22's gemist hebben.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 15/10/2018 | 21:20 uur
Military leaders assess Tyndall AFB damage as congressmen push for rebuild

https://www.stripes.com/news/military-leaders-assess-tyndall-afb-damage-as-congressmen-push-for-rebuild-1.551961
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/10/2018 | 21:23 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 15/10/2018 | 21:04 uur
Nou heb ik ff snel door dat filmpje gescrolld maar alles wat buiten stond waren museum stukken voor zover ik gezien heb en de paar shots van toestellen die binnen stonden waren de QF-16 target drones (die worden per definitie kapot geschoten) en de E9-A's... Of ik moet het stukje met de F22's gemist hebben.

Er zijn meer hangaars dan het filmpje laat zien. Als ze allemaal dezelfde constructie hebben, dan kun je wel een beeld vormen hoe de rest er aan toe zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/10/2018 | 21:49 uur
Most F-35s return to flight operations after fuel tube problem

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/10/15/most-f-35s-return-to-flight-operations-after-fuel-tube-problem/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 15/10/2018 | 21:51 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 15/10/2018 | 21:23 uur
Er zijn meer hangaars dan het filmpje laat zien. Als ze allemaal dezelfde constructie hebben, dan kun je wel een beeld vormen hoe de rest er aan toe zijn.

Het ging mij dan ook meer om de "geparkeerd" opmerking van Huzaar... Alsof alles buiten stond ofzo.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 15/10/2018 | 22:56 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 15/10/2018 | 21:51 uur
Het ging mij dan ook meer om de "geparkeerd" opmerking van Huzaar... Alsof alles buiten stond ofzo.
J

Nee ze stonden niet buiten. Maar in hangars die niet orkaan bestendig waren.
Dat niet alle hangars even orkaanbestendig te maken zijn voor de achterblijvers heb ik beeld bij.

Maar als er op een plek ergens een paar miljard op wieltjes geparkeerd staat moet het met al die belangen en murica's might toch mogelijk zijn 1 hangar al improviserend orkaanbestendig te maken. De reactietijd was ruim genoeg. Probeer in ieder geval wat. De hele basis kwam op mij overvallen over. Geen. Voertuigplan. Dichtgespijkerde ramen...

We hebben het over een orkaangebied, een militair complex wat er niet sinds vorige week ligt met daarop tienduizenden mensen werkzaam.

Ik begrijp dat evacueren simpelweg niet mogelijk was. Maar het komt niet militair professioneel over wanneer je de talons naast de F22s in een loods die uit elkaar is gevallen ziet staan. Ik snap dat mensen erover vallen. Maar ik erken dat ik makkelijk spreken heb vanaf hier. Maar als er een stormpje over oirschot zou waaien zouden we massaal voorbereidingen treffen. Ik verwacht hetzelfde.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 16/10/2018 | 02:30 uur
DND Likely to Acquire Swedish-Made Fighter Jets

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Vkm7BwGPT7A/W8SbUVqcYBI/AAAAAAAA9Vs/zOOpEJ5pb7wowqeKsVoRDL-BzR0SKsGLgCLcBGAs/s1600/42730928_2200961776782570_5817810721743831040_n.jpg)

MANILA – After a thorough study and research, the Department of National Defense (DND) is most likely to buy the Swedish-made Gripenmulti-role supersonic jet fighter for the Philippine Air Force (PAF).

Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana made this disclosure in an exclusive interview with the Philippine News Agency (PNA) on the sidelines of the book launching of former President Fidel V. Ramos at the Manila Hotel on Sunday.

Lorenzana said aside from being cheaper and less expensive in maintenance cost, the Gripen has been proven to be an excellent supersonic fighter aircraft with a top speed of Mach 2 or 1,236 kilometers per hour, or twice the speed of sound.

The Gripen has a delta wing and canard configuration and is powered by the Volvo RM12. It is being used by various countries in Europe and the Middle East.

The PAF has been scouting for over a decade of what jetfighter aircraft it would buy to replace the US-made F5A/B jet interceptors that retired in 2005 due to old age and lack of spare parts.

Since the F-5s were pulled from service, the Air Force tried to acquire advanced jetfighters such as the supersonic F-16 from the United States, but no progress was made.

Lorenzana said the United States government offered anew to sell F-16 fighter jets to the Philippines.

The offer, Lorenzana added, was made by US Defense Secretary James Mattis when the DND secretary visited Washington last month.

Lorenzana confirmed the US offer, but said the F-16 supersonic jetfighter interceptors are too expensive.

In comparison, the Gripen costs less and has the same capability with other multi-role jetfighters, including the F-16.

Since F-5s were put out of service, the PAF has no multi-role jetfighters in its arsenal, although it had bought from South Korea a dozen of F-50 jets but the planes' capability is limited compared with the Gripen, F-16 and similar aircraft.

The acquisition of multi-role jetfighters, Lorenzana said, is badly needed to protect the country's airspace.

It may be recalled that in 1995 during the administration of President Fidel V. Ramos, Congress passed the modernization program of the Armed Forces of the Philippines that includes the acquisition of new planes, helicopters and naval vessels to replace aging ones.

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[Source: PNA.gov ]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 17/10/2018 | 01:40 uur
Nou, dat zou een mooie opsteker zijn voor de Gripen, als deze deal doorgaat.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/10/2018 | 09:34 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 17/10/2018 | 01:40 uur
Nou, dat zou een mooie opsteker zijn voor de Gripen, als deze deal doorgaat.

Zeker. Wel is het jammer dat het niet duidelijk is of het gaat om nieuw gebouwde of tweedehands JAS 39C Gripen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 17/10/2018 | 09:45 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 17/10/2018 | 09:34 uur
Zeker. Wel is het jammer dat het niet duidelijk is of het gaat om nieuw gebouwde of tweedehands JAS 39C Gripen.

Als ik kijk naar het land dat ze wil kopen is tweedehands zeker niet ondenkbaar, ook de F-16's die aangeboden werden vanuit de VS zouden niet nieuw zijn.
Verder zijn er geen toestellen aangeboden, in het begin van dit project werden ook nog de EF Typhoon en Rafale overwogen maar deze zijn al afgevallen van wegen de prijs.
Het gaat hier om slechts 12 toestellen dus die hebben de Zweden nog wel staan, ze hadden ooit 204 Gripens in dienst, daarvan zijn er nog maar 98 in dienst bij de Zweden en 28 geleased aan andere landen dat laat nog 78 stuks in ''reserve''.

Deze kunnen makkelijk worden aangeboden in Gripen C/D variant aan de Filipijnen met wat modernisering erbij.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 17/10/2018 | 10:09 uur
Misschien kunnen ze een group buy met de Belgen doen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/10/2018 | 10:13 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 17/10/2018 | 10:09 uur
Misschien kunnen ze een group buy met de Belgen doen?

Goed idee Huzaar1, gemoderniseerde Gripen C/D, dan weet je zeker dat onze zuiderburen de komende 30 jaar slechts Benelux QRA opdrachten uitvoeren en de beoogde opvolger van deze Europeaan: FCAS (of Tempest) wordt onbereikbaar.  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 17/10/2018 | 10:16 uur
Alsof de Belgen ooit gebruik gaan maken van de F-35 waar het de F-35 voor is. Dat zie ik niet gebeuren, achteraf hadden ze beter   voor de Rafale kunnen gaan. ALs ik zie hoe Frankrijk met hun achtertuin omgaat en hoe onderdanig Belgie daarin is hebben ze hiermee de problemen voor hun zelf alleen maar groter gemaakt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/10/2018 | 10:18 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 17/10/2018 | 09:45 uur
Het gaat hier om slechts 12 toestellen dus die hebben de Zweden nog wel staan, ze hadden ooit 204 Gripens in dienst, daarvan zijn er nog maar 98 in dienst bij de Zweden en 28 geleased aan andere landen dat laat nog 78 stuks in ''reserve''.

Deze kunnen makkelijk worden aangeboden in Gripen C/D variant aan de Filipijnen met wat modernisering erbij.

Dat zou zo maar kunnen. Saab verklaarde eerder dat zij zowel tweedehands JAS 39C/D Gripen als nieuw gebouwde JAS 39C/D Gripen kunnen aanbieden.

Thailand kocht nieuw gebouwde JAS 39C/D Gripen. Als dit voor de Filipijnen te duur is, dan blijft inderdaad die andere optie over.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/10/2018 | 10:33 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 17/10/2018 | 10:16 uur
Alsof de Belgen ooit gebruik gaan maken van de F-35 waar het de F-35 voor is. Dat zie ik niet gebeuren, achteraf hadden ze beter   voor de Rafale kunnen gaan. ALs ik zie hoe Frankrijk met hun achtertuin omgaat en hoe onderdanig Belgie daarin is hebben ze hiermee de problemen voor hun zelf alleen maar groter gemaakt.

Ik zou de Rafale F3R/F4 voor België een prima keuze vinden, persoonlijk denk ik dat de Rafale, samen met de nieuwste F15 variant, het beste westerse multirole toestel is wat op de markt is.

Bij een Rafale keuze zouden onze zuiderburen zich wel committeren aan Frankrijk... ook een keuze.

De marine component is dan onlosmakelijk verbonden met NL, de lucht component aan FR. en vwb de landcomponent... integreren met DE of FR en voila, veel BE politici krijgen wat ze willen... een complete teloorgang van een autonome BE krijgsmacht.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 17/10/2018 | 10:41 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/10/2018 | 10:13 uur
Goed idee Huzaar1, gemoderniseerde Gripen C/D, dan weet je zeker dat onze zuiderburen de komende 30 jaar slechts Benelux QRA opdrachten uitvoeren en de beoogde opvolger van deze Europeaan: FCAS (of Tempest) wordt onbereikbaar.  :angel:
Geef de belgen dan wel alleen maar losse flodders voor hun next gen toestellen  ;D

Citaat van: Sparkplug op 17/10/2018 | 10:18 uur
Dat zou zo maar kunnen. Saab verklaarde eerder dat zij zowel tweedehands JAS 39C/D Gripen als nieuw gebouwde JAS 39C/D Gripen kunnen aanbieden.

Thailand kocht nieuw gebouwde JAS 39C/D Gripen. Als dit voor de Filipijnen te duur is, dan blijft inderdaad die andere optie over.
We gaan het zien, ik verwacht niet dat de filipijnen het budget hebben voor nieuwe Gripens.
Het originele plan uit de jaren 90 bestond uit 3 Squadrons met elk 12 toestellen met daarin de keuzes:
- F/A-18
- F-16 C/D
- Mirage 2000-5
- MIG-29

Nu is de planning iets aangepast en werkt het Filipijnse leger met ''Horizon'' projecten, nu zitten ze in Horizon 2 (2018 -2022 )waarbij 12 nieuwe fighters gekocht moeten worden en in Horizon 3 (2023 - 2028) moeten daar nog eens 12 bijkomen zodat er totaal 2 Squadrons zijn. Voor het hele Horizon 2 project is 300 miljard Peso's uitgetrokken (5,6 miljard Dollar / 4,8 miljard Euro).
In dit project zitten alle krijgsmacht delen, dus veel geld is er niet.

Met een stuks prijs van 30 a 60 miljoen USD nieuw voor de Gripen C zijn ze zo'n 500 miljoen dollar tot 1 miljard dollar kwijt.
In het Horizon 2 project moeten o.a. de volgende dingen zitten:

Citaat
Army
- towed and self-propelled howitzers
- multiple launch rocket systems
- armored recovery vehicles
- five support vehicles
-  tactical radios
- ground mobility equipment (light, medium, heavy)
- individual weapons
- crew-served weapons
- night-fighting equipment

Citaat
Air Force
- multi-role fighters
- radar systems
- light and medium lift aircraft
- heavy lift helicopters
- unmanned aerial vehicles
- helicopters (attack and combat utility)
- special mission and long-range patrol aircraft

Citaat
Navy
- frigates
- corvettes
- submarines
- amphibious assault vehicles
- anti-submarine helicopters
- attack crafts
- medium lift helicopters
- multi-role vessels

De fregatten zijn aangekocht in Zuid-Korea 2 stuks voor een prijs van 18 miljard Peso's (+/- 335 miljoen Dollar). Ik verwacht tweedehands maar Duarte zou zomaar nieuw kunnen willen en dan komt er nieuw, hij heeft eerder aangegeven geen tweedehands materiaal meer te willen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/10/2018 | 10:44 uur
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Citaat van: Parera op 17/10/2018 | 10:41 uur
Geef de belgen dan wel alleen maar losse flodders voor hun next gen toestellen  ;D

In het geval van de Gripen. 27x145mm (BK27) is krachtiger dan 20x102mm (M61)  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 17/10/2018 | 11:35 uur
Mogen allemaal blij zijn dat ze geen artillerie van betekenis bezitten. Stel je voor dat iemand tijdens onderhoud jeuk krijgt daar  :dead:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/10/2018 | 13:15 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 17/10/2018 | 11:35 uur
Mogen allemaal blij zijn dat ze geen artillerie van betekenis bezitten. Stel je voor dat iemand tijdens onderhoud jeuk krijgt daar  :dead:

:sick: de marine component heeft nog Harpoons...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 17/10/2018 | 17:04 uur
Haha tijdens oefening T.J zullen ze het ook wel even zwaar krijgen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/10/2018 | 17:18 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 17/10/2018 | 17:04 uur
Haha tijdens oefening T.J zullen ze het ook wel even zwaar krijgen.

Dit gaan de Belgen nog jaren horen....  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 17/10/2018 | 21:31 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 17/10/2018 | 10:16 uur
Alsof de Belgen ooit gebruik gaan maken van de F-35 waar het de F-35 voor is. Dat zie ik niet gebeuren, achteraf hadden ze beter   voor de Rafale kunnen gaan. ALs ik zie hoe Frankrijk met hun achtertuin omgaat en hoe onderdanig Belgie daarin is hebben ze hiermee de problemen voor hun zelf alleen maar groter gemaakt.
Het klopt dat de Belgen nooit het volledige potentieel van het F-35A bul zullen kunnen of willen benutten.
Maar dat zelfde geldt waarschijnlijk ook voor ... Nederland.   We kochten ooit de meest capabele (Westerse) aanvalshelikopter.  Enkele jaren voor die aanschaf waarschuwde een vlag-officier van het Belgische Lichte Vliegwezen voor de zeer hoge exploitatie kosten van de Apache.

Toen de AH-64D eenmaal werd ingevoerd, verkeek de KLu zich flink op de benodigde logistieke staart.  Dit probleem werd vervolgens opgelost door de KL.
We kochten ook geen Longbow radar sets, want er moest pecunia vrijgespeeld worden om het KDC-10 tankvliegtuig project te behoeden voor een debacle.
In 2001 werd besloten om het Apache Jaarlijks Oefen Programma (JOP) van 180 vlieguren naar 140 uren terug te schroeven.
Ter compensatie zou dit opgevangen worden door de invoering van een Full Mission simulator.  Helaas, kwam deze er nooit.
De komende AH-64E MLU zal de volledige vaardigheden gaan brengen in technische zin.   Maar om deze capaciteiten in operationele zin ook volledig te kunnen benutten.
Zullen het vlieguren aantal in het JOP omhoog moeten naar minimaal 180 uren en idealiter naar 240 vlieg-uren.  En zal de JOP invulling verbeterd moeten worden, door relatief meer Joint te oefenen met andere manoeuvre eenheden.  Relatief meer live-fire oefeningen met geleide 70 mm raketten en Hellfires.   En aanschaf van Full Mission simulatoren, zodat er ook scenario's kunnen worden getraind die in de praktijk zeer moeilijk tot onmogelijk zijn uit te voeren. (onlangs een A-brief de deur uitgegaan.)

Voor de jachtvliegtuig vloot idem dito.   Drie jaar geleden hadden de 61 F-16AM/BM's nog een inzetbaarheid om te huilen van rond de 30 % = ca. 18 kisten.
De jaarlijkse directe exploitatie kosten bedroegen toen ca. EUR 155 miljoen en EUR 270 miljoen, directe plus indirecte exploitatie kosten.
Rond die tijd had men in de Klu de verwachting dat het Logistiek Centrum Woensdrecht (LCW) bij invoering van 37 F-35A qua personeel wel kon inkrimpen.

De exploitatie kosten van de F-35A zullen 2x zo hoog liggen als die van de F-16AM/BM.  Het F-35A is het meest complexe Westerse jachtvliegtuig tot nu toe en de Low Observable constructies en coatings vergen veel onderhoud.  Dus het LCW personeel hoeft echt niet te vrezen voor hun banen.
Stel de F-35A vloot blijft toch steken bij 37 kisten, maar de inzetbaarheid moet toch richting 66 - 75 %, is 24 a 28 kisten inzetbaar, dan heeft men al een grote uitdaging.
Als de vloot wordt uitgebreid naar zeg 52 stuks, met een zelfde inzetbaarheid van 66 - 75 % = 34 - 39 kisten, dan wordt deze uitdaging qua personeel te groot.

En dan heb ik het nog niet eens gehad over verbetering en uitbreiding van het munitie arsenaal.
De AIM-9M Sidewinder had al in 2007 moeten worden vervangen en in oktober 2012 was er een Defense Security Coperation Agency melding, dat de KLu 28 AIM-9X-2's wilde aanschaffen.  In oktober 2017 meldde het DSCA, dat de KLu van plan was om voor ca. USD 53 miljoen maar liefst 26 AIM-120C-7's raketten aan te kopen.
Ter vergelijking: in 1998 had de KLu 6 squadrons, gevuld met 108 F-16's.  Toen schafte zij 200 AIM-120B's aan, terwijl de NAVO toen eiste dat de KLu voor zo een vloot omvang zeker 500 AIM-120B's zou moeten hebben.



Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ros op 17/10/2018 | 22:08 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 17/10/2018 | 21:31 uur
Stel de F-35A vloot blijft toch steken bij 37 kisten, maar de inzetbaarheid moet toch richting 66 - 75 %, is 24 a 28 kisten inzetbaar, dan heeft men al een grote uitdaging.

Met de huidige aankoop van 35+2 zouden we uitkomen op een operationele inzetbaarheid van 4 toestellen. Grote uitdaging moet dan eigenlijk zijn niet haalbare doelstelling. Of je moet met inzetbaarheid iets heel anders bedoelen ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/10/2018 | 09:13 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 17/10/2018 | 21:31 uur
En dan heb ik het nog niet eens gehad over verbetering en uitbreiding van het munitie arsenaal.
De AIM-9M Sidewinder had al in 2007 moeten worden vervangen en in oktober 2012 was er een Defense Security Coperation Agency melding, dat de KLu 28 AIM-9X-2's wilde aanschaffen.  In oktober 2017 meldde het DSCA, dat de KLu van plan was om voor ca. USD 53 miljoen maar liefst 26 AIM-120C-7's raketten aan te kopen.
Ter vergelijking: in 1998 had de KLu 6 squadrons, gevuld met 108 F-16's.  Toen schafte zij 200 AIM-120B's aan, terwijl de NAVO toen eiste dat de KLu voor zo een vloot omvang zeker 500 AIM-120B's zou moeten hebben.

Aan de door DSCA genoemde aantallen moet niet teveel waarde worden gehecht. De klant kan namelijk bij de daadwerkelijke bestelling altijd hiervan afwijken.

DSCA meldingen zijn er alleen maar om te laten weten dat de Amerikaanse overheid toestemming geeft. Echter in afwachting van toesteming van Amerikaans Congres. Pas als die ook toestemming geeft, dan kan er worden besteld. De klant bepaalt dan de kwantiteit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/10/2018 | 10:41 uur
(https://i25.servimg.com/u/f25/15/30/67/69/5010.jpg)

Nieuwe Mirage 2000D loadout wordt getest. Inclusief 30mm gun pod (pylon links voor).

https://forum.keypublishing.com/forum/modern-military-aviation/5445-mirage-2000/page4
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 21/10/2018 | 18:53 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 18/10/2018 | 09:13 uur
Aan de door DSCA genoemde aantallen moet niet teveel waarde worden gehecht. De klant kan namelijk bij de daadwerkelijke bestelling altijd hiervan afwijken.

DSCA meldingen zijn er alleen maar om te laten weten dat de Amerikaanse overheid toestemming geeft. Echter in afwachting van toesteming van Amerikaans Congres. Pas als die ook toestemming geeft, dan kan er worden besteld. De klant bepaalt dan de kwantiteit.
Zowel de defensie industrie als de (Amerikaanse) overheid hechten wel waarde aan de aantallen in de DSCA meldingen.
Inderdaad, bij zo een vermelding is er nog geen contract getekend, daarom wordt er altijd met geschatte bedragen gewerkt.
Maar de bestel hoeveelheden kloppen in het overgrote deel van de meldingen wel.  Want deze hoeveelheden zijn een van de wegingsfactoren of het congres wel of niet toestemming gaat geven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/10/2018 | 11:18 uur
Taiwan receives first F-16Vs, Chinese media reports

https://www.janes.com/article/83941/taiwan-receives-first-f-16vs-chinese-media-reports

Taiwan takes delivery of first F-16V aircraft

https://www.janes.com/article/83947/taiwan-takes-delivery-of-first-f-16v-aircraft

F-16A/B opgewaardeerd naar F-16V Block 70.

Edit. Tweede artikel van Janes is toegevoegd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 23/10/2018 | 12:20 uur
De Next Generation Fighter van Dassault is onthuld tijdens Euronaval18, opvallend is dat ze vermelden dat Frankrijk dit project gaat leiden maar de Duitsers nergens genoemd worden.
Ik vraag me dan af loopt dit naast het Frans-Duitse project of kapen de Fransen hier even het project?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqLP-6RWwAAeexn.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqLP-6UXcAA-PMq.jpg)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/10/2018 | 12:24 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 23/10/2018 | 12:20 uur
De Next Generation Fighter van Dassault is onthuld tijdens Euronaval18, opvallend is dat ze vermelden dat Frankrijk dit project gaat leiden maar de Duitsers nergens genoemd worden.
Ik vraag me dan af loopt dit naast het Frans-Duitse project of kapen de Fransen hier even het project?

Ik denk het laatste ...  :angel:  iets met chauvinisme ..
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 23/10/2018 | 12:27 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 23/10/2018 | 12:24 uur
Ik denk het laatste ...  :angel:  iets met chauvinisme ..

Andere reacties onder het bericht waren al ; Zo ging het ook met de EF Typhoon, Frankrijk wilde carrier en de rest niet dus trok Frankrijk zich terug en ontwikkelde de Rafale.
We gaan het zien maar dit kan zomaar een herhaling worden want de Duitsers gaan niet zomaar mee betalen aan een carrier versie en als ook het VK en Zweden zich aansluiten dan staat Frankrijk helemaal alleen op dat punt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 23/10/2018 | 12:32 uur
Ernaast, en de tempest. En dus dat andere ding. Echt.. stomme idioten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/10/2018 | 12:49 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 23/10/2018 | 12:32 uur
Ernaast, en de tempest. En dus dat andere ding. Echt.. stomme idioten.

Dat is nog maar de vraag, het kan ook slechts een concept inbreng zijn van de Fransen wat uiteindelijk uitgroeit naar FCAS in een luchtmacht- en in een maritieme variant.

Het model FCAS staat immers nog lang niet vast net zomin als Tempest er uit gaat zien zoals ze dit tot vandaag gepresenteerd hebben.

Duidelijk is dat Europa zich geen 3 volwaardige kan/wil veroorloven, want met 3 volwaardige programma's gaan men rap over de 150 miljard euro aan ontwikkelingskosten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 23/10/2018 | 13:51 uur
Britten en met name Fransen willen alleen samenwerken wanneer dat betekent dat ze mogen bepalen. Hele slechte startpositie, dat is al tijden zo daarom faalt alles.
Echt de Fransen, ik zou staan te juichen als de EU wordt opgedeeld in 2 stukken en we niets meer met die lui te maken hebben.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/10/2018 | 13:55 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 23/10/2018 | 13:51 uur
Britten en met name Fransen willen alleen samenwerken wanneer dat betekent dat ze mogen bepalen. Hele slechte startpositie, dat is al tijden zo daarom faalt alles.
Echt de Fransen, ik zou staan te juichen als de EU wordt opgedeeld in 2 stukken en we niets meer met die lui te maken hebben.

Noord en zuid... en wat mij betreft ook nog oost. Go!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/10/2018 | 09:55 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 24/10/2018 | 12:59 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/10/2018 | 13:55 uur
Noord en zuid... en wat mij betreft ook nog oost. Go!
En ook Schengen aan de willgen!
De delen onderling begrenzen en controleren en binnen de delen vrij verkeer voor personen en goederen.
Daarnaast binnen de delen de krijgsmachten beter op elkaar afstemmen. En gezamenlijk nieuw materieel ontwikkelen. Zo ontstaan er sterke Europese militair-economische blokken.

Als het aan mij ligt krijgt ieder deel ook zijn eigen munt. Zodat we ook geen gezeik meer krijgen door zuid-Europese freeriders.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/10/2018 | 08:03 uur
We Finally Know How Many F-22s Were Left Behind At Tyndall AFB During Hurricane Michael

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24442/we-finally-know-how-many-f-22s-were-left-behind-at-tyndall-afb-during-hurricane-michael
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/10/2018 | 10:46 uur
Australian F-35A Project  Planned Milestones and Key Achievements  October 2018

http://www.defence.gov.au/casg/Multimedia/F-35A_Project_Milestone_History_and_Forecast_-_October_2018-9-9297.pdf

Behoorlijk ambitieus om minimaal 72 x F-35A en Final Operating Capability (FOC) in 2023 te hebben.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/10/2018 | 08:48 uur
Vidéo -  Avion de chasse du futur : voici le probable remplaçant du Rafale

http://www.aeronewstv.com/fr/industrie/aviation-militaire/4323-avion-de-chasse-du-futur-voici-le-probable-remplacant-du-rafale.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/10/2018 | 16:23 uur
RAF looks to Typhoon-Lightning-Tempest Force in 2030s

https://www.janes.com/article/84058/raf-looks-to-typhoon-lightning-tempest-force-in-2030s
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/10/2018 | 17:47 uur
France warns Germany that exports key to fighter jet project: Spiegel

https://reut.rs/2PVDCqg
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 27/10/2018 | 17:57 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/10/2018 | 17:47 uur
France warns Germany that exports key to fighter jet project: Spiegel

https://reut.rs/2PVDCqg
Tja, Dld wordt voor de keuze gesteld om onder alle omstandigheden de verkoop van materieel, ook aan landen betrokken in conflicten van velerlei aard toe te staan, of het niet doorgaan van de ontwikkeling van een nieuwe generatie vliegtuigen.
Men zou dus kunnen stellen dat hier sprake is van een strijd om belangen, enerzijds humanitair en anderzijds om wie heeft de leiding in de EU?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/10/2018 | 18:05 uur
Citaat van: Lex op 27/10/2018 | 17:57 uur
Tja, Dld wordt voor de keuze gesteld om onder alle omstandigheden de verkoop van materieel, ook aan landen betrokken in conflicten van velerlei aard toe te staan, of het niet doorgaan van de ontwikkeling van een nieuwe generatie vliegtuigen.
Men zou dus kunnen stellen dat hier sprake is van een strijd om belangen, enerzijds humanitair en anderzijds om wie heeft de leiding in de EU?

Wellicht bekijken de Britten dit met een gepaste grijns.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 27/10/2018 | 18:12 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/10/2018 | 18:05 uur
Wellicht bekijken de Britten dit met een gepaste grijns.
Is natuurlijk een mogelijkheid.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/10/2018 | 18:47 uur
Citaat van: Lex op 27/10/2018 | 17:57 uur
Tja, Dld wordt voor de keuze gesteld om onder alle omstandigheden de verkoop van materieel, ook aan landen betrokken in conflicten van velerlei aard toe te staan, of het niet doorgaan van de ontwikkeling van een nieuwe generatie vliegtuigen.

Hier kon je op wachten. Het maakt Frankrijk nooit uit aan wie zij kunnen leveren. Ongeacht de omstandigheden gaat de handel voor.. Leverden zij bijvoorbeeld de Mirage III eerst aan Israël en niet zoveel later ook aan diverse andere landen rondom Israël.

Daarentegen wel België van alles verwijten, omdat zij de Rafale niet hebben gekozen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/10/2018 | 19:24 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/10/2018 | 18:47 uur
Hier kon je op wachten. Het maakt Frankrijk nooit uit aan wie zij kunnen leveren. Ongeacht de omstandigheden gaat de handel voor.. Leverden zij bijvoorbeeld de Mirage III eerst aan Israël en niet zoveel later ook aan diverse andere landen rondom Israël.


Je kan hier over discussiëren, is het principieel juist of niet.... maar feit is wel als Europese befrijven niet (mogen) leveren dan doen de Amerikanen, Chinezen of Russen het wel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/10/2018 | 19:52 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/10/2018 | 19:24 uur
Je kan hier over discussiëren, is het principieel juist of niet.... maar feit is wel als Europese befrijven niet (mogen) leveren dan doen de Amerikanen, Chinezen of Russen het wel.

Het is in ieder geval de lakmoesproef waarbij te zien zal zijn of Duitse principes het wel of niet houden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/10/2018 | 20:23 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/10/2018 | 19:52 uur
Het is in ieder geval de lakmoesproef waarbij te zien zal zijn of Duitse principes het wel of niet houden.

Waarbij de ironie is dat als men er niet uitkomt de Duitsers zich zelf buiten spel zetten en de Fransen aanzet tot een solo ontwikkeling of een nieuwe samenwerking met de Britten.

Ik geloof niet dat Duitsland bereid is tot een alleingang, al zal ook de toekomst hier misschien een ander antwoord opgeven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/10/2018 | 20:55 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/10/2018 | 20:23 uur
Waarbij de ironie is dat als men er niet uitkomt de Duitsers zich zelf buiten spel zetten en de Fransen aanzet tot een solo ontwikkeling of een nieuwe samenwerking met de Britten.

Ik geloof niet dat Duitsland bereid is tot een alleingang, al zal ook de toekomst hier misschien een ander antwoord opgeven.

Of het lukt of het leidt tot een herhaling van de jaren 80 (Rafale en Typhoon). In ieder geval is voor de meeste Europese partijen samenwerking noodzaak.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 28/10/2018 | 00:29 uur
De Duitsers lijken in ieder geval makkelijk te vinden voor een export boycot van wapentuig aan Saouidi Arabie door dezer 'stunt' in Turkije.
En dat lijkt al in te druisen tegen "de belangen" van Spanje... door een socialistische regering...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/10/2018 | 08:54 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 28/10/2018 | 00:29 uur
De Duitsers lijken in ieder geval makkelijk te vinden voor een export boycot van wapentuig aan Saouidi Arabie door dezer 'stunt' in Turkije.
En dat lijkt al in te druisen tegen "de belangen" van Spanje... door een socialistische regering...

Dat krijg je met continu te veel "gutmenschen" in de regering.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/10/2018 | 10:29 uur
Britain given HUGE boost as Belgium goes for F35 fighter jets - leaving Macron FURIOUS

http://shr.gs/0wnUS8R
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/10/2018 | 11:09 uur
Citaat van: Sunday Express op 28/10/2018 | 10:29 uur
Britain given HUGE boost as Belgium goes for F35 fighter jets - leaving Macron FURIOUS

http://shr.gs/0wnUS8R

Boude uitspraak dat er 90 x F-35A voor de RAF gepland staan. 48 x F-35B is toch wel krap.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 28/10/2018 | 18:54 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/10/2018 | 20:55 uur
Of het lukt of het leidt tot een herhaling van de jaren 80 (Rafale en Typhoon). In ieder geval is voor de meeste Europese partijen samenwerking noodzaak.
De CEO van Airbus Defense Systems heeft aangegeven dat er geen plaats is voor 2 Europese types in de Europese jachtvliegtuig markt.

Deze uitspraak past natuurlijk in zijn straatje, want hij wil liever geen concurrenten.
Maar diverse onderzoeken van verschillende universiteiten concluderen wel het zelfde.

Zaten de lichte F-104G Super Starfighter, Mirage III  en 5 en F-5 familie nog laag in de piramide vormige jachtvliegtuig markt, dus veel potentieel afzet volume.
De Mirage 2000, Tornado, Typhoon en Rafale, maar ook de voorgestelde Tempest, zitten veel hoger in die piramide.  Dat leverde dus vrij kleine productie aantallen op.

Begin deze eeuw gingen de KLu en de Noorse luchtmacht de diverse kandidaten evalueren.
Het Eurofighter GmbH consortium schepte toen op dat er tussen 2005 en 2010 een active phased array /AESA radar in de Typhoon zou komen.
Per 2010 zou er een sterkere motor in de vorm van de 23.000 pond leverende EJ230 (+ 13,6 %) beschikbaar komen.
En in 2015 zou Eurojet zelfs een EJ270 met 27.000 pond stuwkracht kunnen hebben, is 33 % meer vermogen dan de originele EJ200.
Dat zou dan supercruise (supersonische kruisvlucht) prestaties opleveren die vergelijkbaar of zelfs beter waren dan die van de F-22A Raptor.

Rond ruwweg 2005 begon de US Air Force al met de opwaardering van een klein deel van haar F-15C vloot met een AESA radar.
De US Navy volgde al snel met F-18E/F Super Hornets voorzien van zo een radar.  Want de US Navy zag AESA radars als essentieel in de strijd tegen kruisvluchtwapens ('kruisraketten') en sea-skimming anti-schip raketten.
In oktober 2012 werd de eerste RBE 2 AESA afgeleverd aan de Franse luchtmacht.  Deze maakte deel uit van een order van 60 RBE 2's bedoeld voor batch 4 Rafale's,
maar oudere Rafale's worden hiermee niet gemoderniseerd.

De eerste productie Captor-E zou eind 2018 worden afgeleverd.  Zodat de eerste Typhoon met AESA in het 4de kwartaal van 2019 voor Koeweit kon worden afgeleverd.
Dat wordt nu in 2020 afgeleverd.   De vertraging is te wijten aan software problemen, acceptatie van een nieuwe computer in het zend / ontvangst / antenne front.
En een blijvend verschil van inzicht in welke functies het belangrijkst zijn voor de Captor-E.  De Duitsers vinden de verbetering van air-air en air-ground modi het belangrijkste,
terwijl de Britten de focus juist willen hebben op Elektronische Oorlog Voering (EOV) modi.

De Britten geven aan dat hun Tempest mock-up slechts een richting aangeeft waarin men denkt.
Maar er is daar ook een stroming, die aangeeft dat een JAS-39 Gripen C/D 2.0 concept wel eens veel reeler kan zijn.

Let wel, ik geef hier heel bewust de C/D variant aan.   Want toen in 2010 de Gripen NG (E) Demonstrator werd getoond op Farnborough, waren diverse aanwezige jachtvliegers toch wel teleurgesteld dat ook Saab meeging in de trend van groter, zwaarder en duurder.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/10/2018 | 07:50 uur
Defense Ministry may develop new jet fighter based on F-22 with Lockheed Martin - The Mainichi

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20181029/p2a/00m/0na/004000c
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/10/2018 | 09:53 uur
Citaat van: The Mainichi op 29/10/2018 | 07:50 uur
Defense Ministry may develop new jet fighter based on F-22 with Lockheed Martin - The Mainichi

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20181029/p2a/00m/0na/004000c

Vreemd dat in het artikel wel wordt gesproken over de vervanging van de F-2, maar niet de vervanging van de F-15J/F-15DJ. De F-4EJ wordt uiteindelijk door de F-35A vervangen en zou gezien de taakstelling heel goed de F-2 kunnen vervangen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 31/10/2018 | 09:01 uur
Canada to accept bids for new fighter jet in May — here are the potential competitors  (here we go again...  ;) )

Canada expects to accept formal bids for a new fighter jet in May, with the first aircraft delivered by 2025, according to Canadian government procurement officials.

A draft bid package for 88 fighters was issued to companies for their feedback by the end of this year, said Pat Finn, assistant deputy minister for materiel at the Department of National Defence. From there, the final bidding instructions for the CA$16 billion (U.S. $12 billion) procurement will be issued and bids required by May 2019, he added.

The aircraft will replace Canada's current fleet of CF-18 fighter jets. The aircraft expected to be considered include ;
Lockheed Martin's F-35,
the Eurofighter Typhoon,
the Dassault Rafale,
Saab's Gripen and
the Boeing Super Hornet.

.../...

https://www.defensenews.com/global/the-americas/2018/10/30/canada-to-accept-bids-for-new-fighter-jet-in-may-here-are-the-potential-competitors/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/10/2018 | 10:00 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 31/10/2018 | 09:01 uur
Canada to accept bids for new fighter jet in May — here are the potential competitors  (here we go again...  ;) )

.../...

https://www.defensenews.com/global/the-americas/2018/10/30/canada-to-accept-bids-for-new-fighter-jet-in-may-here-are-the-potential-competitors/

Dan ben je als Canada F-35 partnerland, maar het zou toch echt vreemd zijn als zij de F-35 niet kiezen.

Trudeau verkondigde constant dat hij de F-35 niet wil. Op f-16.net werd onlangs de grap gemaakt om het dan CF-355 te noemen  ;D De Hornet werd indertijd intern CF-188 genoemd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 31/10/2018 | 10:46 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 31/10/2018 | 10:00 uur
Dan ben je als Canada F-35 partnerland, maar het zou toch echt vreemd zijn als zij de F-35 niet kiezen.

Trudeau verkondigde constant dat hij de F-35 niet wil. ....

idd, dat was toen zijn verkiezingskreet... ben erg benieuwd hoe het nu gaat lopen..
Maar aan de andere kant... volgens mij kan er maar 1 winnaar zijn en dat is ....  F-35, dat is al jaren geleden beslist !
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 31/10/2018 | 10:57 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 31/10/2018 | 10:46 uur
idd, dat was toen zijn verkiezingskreet... ben erg benieuwd hoe het nu gaat lopen..
Maar aan de andere kant... volgens mij kan er maar 1 winnaar zijn en dat is ....  F-35, dat is al jaren geleden beslist !

Ja de F-35 / CF-35 is de grote kanshebber maar deze regering wil een ''eerlijke aanbesteding'' en met de oude regels kon ook alleen de F-35 winnen.

Citaat
Under the previous Conservative government, the requirements for the fighter jets could be met only by the Lockheed-Martin F-35 fighter jet, a stealth aircraft developed by an international coalition of countries including the United States, Britain and Canada.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ottawa-changes-requirements-for-new-fighter-jets-to-help-european/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/10/2018 | 11:15 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 31/10/2018 | 10:57 uur
Ja de F-35 / CF-35 is de grote kanshebber maar deze regering wil een ''eerlijke aanbesteding'' en met de oude regels kon ook alleen de F-35 winnen.

En mocht de F-35 uiteindelijk winnen, dan zullen er wel weer mensen zijn die zeggen dat de aanbesteding oneerlijk is.

Na Canada komt ook het Finse vervangingstraject. Ook daar maakt de F-35 kans.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 31/10/2018 | 11:46 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 31/10/2018 | 11:15 uur
En mocht de F-35 uiteindelijk winnen, dan zullen er wel weer mensen zijn die zeggen dat de aanbesteding oneerlijk is.

Na Canada komt ook het Finse vervangingstraject. Ook daar maakt de F-35 kans.

De F-35 is gewoon een goede kist, het heeft problemen gehad maar dat heeft elk groot project. Had het goedkoper gekund? Ja waarschijnlijk wel maar zo is het niet gelopen en de VS heeft gezorgd voor de meeste problemen in het project en dat komt naar mijn idee vooral omdat het zoveel verschillende toestellen gaat vervangen waardoor het dus alles moet kunnen wat nu gedaan word met de F-16, A-10, Harrier, Tornado en F-18 moet dat straks gedaan worden met 1 toestel (in 3 versies). En in de toekomst komen er waarschijnlijk nog een paar toestellen bij die het gaat vervangen maar het is op dit moment een prima toestel al zijn er nog wel verbeterpunten maar dat heeft de F-22 nu ook nog steeds net als de F-16.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/11/2018 | 13:40 uur
General Electric beats Rolls-Royce to power Turkey's indigenous fighter jet

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/2018/10/31/general-electric-beats-rolls-royce-to-power-turkeys-indigenous-fighter-jet/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/11/2018 | 17:27 uur
Voor de liefhebbers...

Next Generation Combat Aircraft
Threat Outlook and Potential Solutions

https://rusi.org/sites/default/files/20181101_next_generation_combat_aircraft_web.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/11/2018 | 09:59 uur
Teures Nachspiel: Eurofighter wird für Deutschland zum Milliardengrab

https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article183168532/Eurofighter-Steuerzahlern-droht-Schadenersatz-in-Milliardenhoehe.html?wtmc=socialmedia.twitter.shared.web via @welt
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/11/2018 | 10:12 uur
Citaat van: Welt op 04/11/2018 | 09:59 uur
Teures Nachspiel: Eurofighter wird für Deutschland zum Milliardengrab

https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article183168532/Eurofighter-Steuerzahlern-droht-Schadenersatz-in-Milliardenhoehe.html?wtmc=socialmedia.twitter.shared.web via @welt

Dat krijg je als vier partnerlanden niet hun oorspronkelijke orders afnemen. Geldt idem dito voor Frankrijk. De oorspronkelijke Rafale order voor luchtmacht en marine komt niet overeen met de huidige order.

En het getrut met al die verschillende Eurofighter tranche versies, waarbij de ene versie wel en de andere versie niet naar de laatste standaard kan worden opgewaardeerd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/11/2018 | 18:33 uur
Een artikel over distributed mission training (DMT).

DMT Will Enable Up to 12 F-35 Pilots to Virtually Fly Together

https://www.aviationtoday.com/2018/11/02/dmt-will-enable-12-f-35-pilots-virtually-fly-together/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/11/2018 | 20:57 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/11/2018 | 09:49 uur
Voortgang van het eerste operationele US Navy F-35C squadron VFA-147 Argonauts.

Lemoore jet fighter squadron is first in Navy to pass this milestone for the F-35C

https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article220512455.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/11/2018 | 07:15 uur
French firm Dassault pulls out of fighter-jet competition: Sources | National Newswatch:

https://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2018/11/06/french-firm-dassault-pulls-out-of-fighter-jet-competition-sources-2/#.W-KCdEDQANz.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/11/2018 | 08:24 uur
#Rüstung : #Deutsch-französisches #Kampfflugzeug – wie #Politik und #Industrie einander blockieren

https://www.handelsblatt.com/23573750.html?share=twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/11/2018 | 09:30 uur
Citaat van: National Newswatch op 07/11/2018 | 07:15 uur
French firm Dassault pulls out of fighter-jet competition: Sources | National Newswatch:

https://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2018/11/06/french-firm-dassault-pulls-out-of-fighter-jet-competition-sources-2/#.W-KCdEDQANz.twitter

Goh, wat een verrassing. Wachten op de volgende die afhaakt.

Vraag mij af wat het voor Canada zou betekenen als zij geen F-35 partner niveau 3 zouden mogen zijn. Als zij de F-35 niet kopen, dan heeft het ook geen zin om partnerland te zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/11/2018 | 09:42 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 07/11/2018 | 09:30 uur
Goh, wat een verrassing. Wachten op de volgende die afhaakt.


Saab
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/11/2018 | 10:38 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/11/2018 | 09:42 uur
Saab

Voor wat betreft Saab. Er is een officiële Gripen blog en is het bekijken waard.

https://gripenblogs.com/default.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/11/2018 | 19:14 uur
Europe's next-gen fighter jet is stuck in the bickering phase

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/2018/11/07/europes-next-gen-fighter-jet-is-stuck-in-the-bickering-phase/#.W-Mrc7qbfgk.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 08/11/2018 | 20:02 uur
Om eerlijk te zijn vind ik het veel te vroeg om een Europees toestel te ontwikkelen. Ik zou wachten totdat de Amerikanen zijn gestart met de opvolging van de F-35, we weten namelijk ook nog helemaal niet welke kant het precies op gaat. En in dit stadium of een in de nabije toekomst moeten beslissingen worden genomen die bepalend zijn voor het project welke misschien over 15 jaar totaal achterhaal zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/11/2018 | 20:29 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 08/11/2018 | 20:02 uur
Om eerlijk te zijn vind ik het veel te vroeg om een Europees toestel te ontwikkelen. Ik zou wachten totdat de Amerikanen zijn gestart met de opvolging van de F-35, we weten namelijk ook nog helemaal niet welke kant het precies op gaat. En in dit stadium of een in de nabije toekomst moeten beslissingen worden genomen die bepalend zijn voor het project welke misschien over 15 jaar totaal achterhaal zijn.

De Amerikanen zijn natuurlijk al bezig met de opvolger van de F22A (PCA) en F18E/F (FA/XX), de eersten zullen rond 2035 inzetbaar moeten zijn.

De Europese eendenbekkies zullen rond 2040 echt op hun laatste beentjes lopen.

Wachten tot de VS begint met een F35 opvolger is geen optie, daar beginnen ze meer ergens in de jaren veertig en dan mag je er 15 a 20 jaar bij tellen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 09/11/2018 | 13:00 uur
foto's van de KFX / IFX via twitter.com @arcinc_id

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 09/11/2018 | 13:49 uur
Wel interessant als je naar het staartstuk kijkt van dit toestel.
Kijk dan eens de F-35 docu, daar wordt een stukje getoond waarin er discussie is welke soort staart te kiezen.
Uiteindelijk is er gekozen bij de F-35 voor de 'andere' staart, deze die dit toestel gebruikt was de andere optie.

Hele filosofie achter een staart, mooi en interessant.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/11/2018 | 17:13 uur
De nieuwste Rafale standaard F3R.

Rafale F3-R standard qualified by the DGA

https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/group/press/press-kits/rafale-f3-r-standard-qualified-dga/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 10/11/2018 | 17:15 uur
ABOUT THE RAFALE
The only totally "omnirole" aircraft in the world, able to o..........""

;D :cute-smile: haha, proest
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/11/2018 | 17:48 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 10/11/2018 | 17:15 uur
ABOUT THE RAFALE
The only totally "omnirole" aircraft in the world, able to o..........""

;D :cute-smile: haha, proest

Ergens klopt het wel, want alleen Dassault gebruikt het woord omnirole en de rest van de wereld gebruikt al decennia lang het woord multirole. Je moet als fabrikant toch wat  ;)  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 10/11/2018 | 18:12 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 10/11/2018 | 17:15 uur
ABOUT THE RAFALE
The only totally "omnirole" aircraft in the world, able to o..........""

;D :cute-smile: haha, proest

Deze is ook goed:

Citaat
The Rafale is the only operational European combat aircraft equipped with an "Active Electronically Scanned Array"

Uh... er zit ook een AESA radar in de Eurofighter en in de Gripen hoor...

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/11/2018 | 18:21 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 10/11/2018 | 18:12 uur
Uh... er zit ook een AESA radar in de Eurofighter en in de Gripen hoor...

Heeft de Gripen C/D inmiddels ook een AESA radar? Dacht dat dat pas vanaf de Gripen E werd geïnstalleerd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 10/11/2018 | 18:28 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 10/11/2018 | 18:21 uur
Heeft de Gripen C/D inmiddels ook een AESA radar? Dacht dat dat pas vanaf de Gripen E werd geïnstalleerd.
Ik dacht ook de recente geüpdate Gripen C/D.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/11/2018 | 18:43 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 10/11/2018 | 18:28 uur
Ik dacht ook de recente geüpdate Gripen C/D.

De MS20 update vermeldt helemaal niets over de AESA radar. Zou wel voor de C/D versie een (nodige) upgrade kunnen zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 10/11/2018 | 18:52 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 10/11/2018 | 18:21 uur
Heeft de Gripen C/D inmiddels ook een AESA radar? Dacht dat dat pas vanaf de Gripen E werd geïnstalleerd.

Dat doet verder niet zoveel terzake natuurlijk. Als je als fabrikant een grote broek gaat aantrekken en lulkoek als reclame gaat verkopen is dat niet echt heel positief voor je bedrijf.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 10/11/2018 | 20:15 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 10/11/2018 | 18:12 uur
Deze is ook goed:

Uh... er zit ook een AESA radar in de Eurofighter en in de Gripen hoor...

Hele vervelende mensen.

Gingen ook al tof doen met die NL uitvinding ( dingetje op bootjes waardoor ze zuiniger varen )

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: walter leever op 10/11/2018 | 20:58 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 10/11/2018 | 20:15 uur
Hele vervelende mensen.

Gingen ook al tof doen met die NL uitvinding ( dingetje op bootjes waardoor ze zuiniger varen )

Hull Vane,i believe? ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 10/11/2018 | 21:32 uur
Dat ja. Nare mensen die Fransen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/11/2018 | 10:49 uur
Saab announces first Meteor firing from Gripen E

https://www.janes.com/article/84532/saab-announces-first-meteor-firing-from-gripen-e
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/11/2018 | 11:02 uur
MBDA kicks off MICA NG missile development

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/mbda-kicks-off-mica-ng-missile-development-453546/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/11/2018 | 17:11 uur
Luftwaffe sets out design drivers for next-generation fighter

https://www.janes.com/article/84574/luftwaffe-sets-out-design-drivers-for-next-generation-fighter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 14/11/2018 | 20:39 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 14/11/2018 | 17:11 uur
Luftwaffe sets out design drivers for next-generation fighter

https://www.janes.com/article/84574/luftwaffe-sets-out-design-drivers-for-next-generation-fighter

Hoooo! Stop! Eeeerst met de Fransen bellen of dat wel mag.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/11/2018 | 20:50 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 14/11/2018 | 20:39 uur
Hoooo! Stop! Eeeerst met de Fransen bellen of dat wel mag.

Dat is idd nog wel een dingetje....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/11/2018 | 21:34 uur
Mosterd na de maaltijd... maar toch interessant.

Mijn voorkeur had destijds de YF-23 ipv de YF-22, Hier een recente uitwerking hoe een operationele F23A er (vermoedelijk) uit zou hebben gezien.

This Is What A Northrop F-23A Would've Looked Like If Lockheed Lost The ATF Competition

Many argue that the YF-23 should have been selected over the YF-22 and these exclusive renderings show what a production F-23 would have looked like.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24911/this-is-what-a-northrop-f-23a-wouldve-looked-like-if-lockheed-lost-the-atf-competition
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/11/2018 | 10:41 uur
Spain weighs FCAS options, but insists on industrial participation

https://www.janes.com/article/84597/spain-weighs-fcas-options-but-insists-on-industrial-participation
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/11/2018 | 10:48 uur
Massive F-35 deal covers production into 2023

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/massive-f-35-deal-covers-production-into-2023-453656/

Lockheed gets $6B downpayment to start F-35 block buy

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/11/14/lockheed-gets-6b-downpayment-to-start-f-35-block-buy/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/11/2018 | 16:47 uur
Air superiority and nuclear deterrence dictate manned future fighter for France

https://www.janes.com/article/84623/air-superiority-and-nuclear-deterrence-dictate-manned-future-fighter-for-france
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/11/2018 | 20:04 uur
With plans for drone sidekicks, Europe's futuristic jet program slowly comes into focus

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/11/14/with-plans-for-drone-sidekicks-europes-futuristic-jet-program-slowly-comes-into-focus/#.W-3DJFwuEkM.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/11/2018 | 14:31 uur
The A-10 Warthog's biggest advocate lost her bid for the Senate, but does it actually matter?

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2018/11/15/the-a-10s-biggest-advocate-lost-her-bid-for-the-senate-but-does-it-actually-matter/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/11/2018 | 17:24 uur
Mogelijk wordt het in 2020 duidelijk of de Britten naast de F-35B wel of niet de F-35A zullen gaan gebruiken.

UK to decide Lightning variant at SDSR, to deploy STOVL F-35B 'off-strip'

https://www.janes.com/article/84593/uk-to-decide-lightning-variant-at-sdsr-to-deploy-stovl-f-35b-off-strip
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/11/2018 | 19:04 uur
Finland holds early talks in F-18 replacement contest

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/finland-holds-early-talks-in-f-18-replacement-contes-453763/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/11/2018 | 08:31 uur
IAF to supplement F-35 stealth jets with upgraded F-15 IA...

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5409130,00.html via @ynet
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/11/2018 | 09:35 uur
With F-16 buy, Slovakia 'cutting off' Russian hardware

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2018/11/18/with-f-16-buy-slovakia-cutting-off-russian-hardware/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/11/2018 | 09:54 uur
En dan te bedenken dat 388th FW en 419th FW volgend jaar gezamenlijk 78 stuks hebben.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/11/2018 | 13:45 uur
35 F-35's from Hill Afb, UT perform a show of force

https://youtu.be/69wlCPkkaCo via @YouTube
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/11/2018 | 08:28 uur
France, Germany agree on next step for fighter jet program

https://reut.rs/2Kil7u6
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/11/2018 | 13:54 uur
IDF: No decision on advanced F-15s as yet

https://www.janes.com/article/84771/idf-no-decision-on-advanced-f-15s-as-yet
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/11/2018 | 15:54 uur
Wat de transitie van F-16 naar F-35 voor Denemarken betekent.

Denmark, F-35, and Shaping the Way Ahead

https://sldinfo.com/2018/11/denmark-f-35-and-shaping-the-way-ahead/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/11/2018 | 20:12 uur
Germany sees next step on fighter jet replacement by end of year

https://reut.rs/2AeKKaM
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/11/2018 | 20:31 uur
Citaat van: Reuters op 22/11/2018 | 20:12 uur
Germany sees next step on fighter jet replacement by end of year

https://reut.rs/2AeKKaM

CitaatOne proposal calls for Germany to buy 45 Lockheed F-35 jets to replace those Tornados, and about 75 new Eurofighters to replace both the other Tornados and a first batch of Eurofighters delivered between 2003 and 2008, sources said.

De mix klinkt interessant. De te vervangen Eurofighters zijn 33 stuks van tranche 1.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 22/11/2018 | 20:34 uur
En die mix zou er enkel komen vanwege de "nuke-optie"... anders zou het kunnen dat er slechts met een type gevlogen dient te worden...

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/11/2018 | 21:11 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 22/11/2018 | 20:34 uur
En die mix zou er enkel komen vanwege de "nuke-optie"... anders zou het kunnen dat er slechts met een type gevlogen dient te worden...

Als je ook het verschil in B61-12 certificatie kosten voor de Eurofighter en F-35A leest. Weet niet of Duitsland het er voor over heeft om de Eurofighter te certificeren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/11/2018 | 21:18 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 22/11/2018 | 21:11 uur
Als je ook het verschil in B61-12 certificatie kosten voor de Eurofighter en F-35A leest. Weet niet of Duitsland het er voor over heeft om de Eurofighter te certificeren.

Enkele tientallen F35A zet iig de ontwikkeling van FCAS niet onder druk. De nieuwe batch Typhoons wordt dan simpelweg aan het einde van de levensduur vervangen door FCAS tranche 2?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/11/2018 | 21:31 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/11/2018 | 21:18 uur
Enkele tientallen F35A zet iig de ontwikkeling van FCAS niet onder druk. De nieuwe batch Typhoons wordt dan simpelweg aan het einde van de levensduur vervangen door FCAS tranche 2?

Daar kan het wel op uitkomen. Met de Tornado IDS/ECR en F-4F Phantom II had de Luftwaffe ook 2 types van verschillende generaties. Tot de komst van de Eurofighter opvolger kunnen de Eurofighter en F-35A elkaar goed aanvullen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/11/2018 | 21:45 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 22/11/2018 | 21:31 uur
Daar kan het wel op uitkomen. Met de Tornado IDS/ECR en F-4F Phantom II had de Luftwaffe ook 2 types van verschillende generaties. Tot de komst van de Eurofighter opvolger kunnen de Eurofighter en F-35A elkaar goed aanvullen.

Daarnaast sluit het ook nog eens aan mij de andere Europese Typhoon/F35A-B gebruikers.

Aanname: tranche 4 Typhoon vanaf  2025, F35A vanaf 2025, levensduur: beide opties tot 2055. FCAS tranche 1 vanaf 2040, FCAS tranche 2 vanaf 2055.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 22/11/2018 | 22:32 uur
Het moet wel serieus pijn doen... de Duitsers die alsnog met een Amerikaans toestel zullen vliegen voor de komende 30 jaar omdat er geen gelijkaardige vogel is in Europa.
De eigen industrie zal hopelijk hier en daar nog een paar graantjes kunnen meepikken... Wanneer ze voldoende toestellen afnemen.

Ook in de UK moet er nog een beslissing genomen worden over bijkomende F-35B of dan toch nog F-35A's.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/11/2018 | 22:40 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 22/11/2018 | 22:32 uur
Het moet wel serieus pijn doen... de Duitsers die alsnog met een Amerikaans toestel zullen vliegen voor de komende 30 jaar omdat er geen gelijkaardige vogel is in Europa.
De eigen industrie zal hopelijk hier en daar nog een paar graantjes kunnen meepikken... Wanneer ze voldoende toestellen afnemen.

Ook in de UK moet er nog een beslissing genomen worden over bijkomende F-35B of dan toch nog F-35A's.

Als het louter zou gaan om het vervoeren van US speelgoed, dan zouden ze ook een dealtje kunnen sluiten met andere NAVO F35 gebruikers. een soort van Baltic air-policing, maar dan een nucleaire variant. Moet te doen zij als landen als NL en BE een aantal extra kisten zouden aanschaffen (laat je de Duitsers de extra F35 betalen)

Duitsland heeft na schatting 20 B61 op haar grondgebied, that's all.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 22/11/2018 | 23:25 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/11/2018 | 22:40 uur
Als het louter zou gaan om het vervoeren van US speelgoed, dan zouden ze ook een dealtje kunnen sluiten met andere NAVO F35 gebruikers. een soort van Baltic air-policing, maar dan een nucleaire variant. Moet te doen zij als landen als NL en BE een aantal extra kisten zouden aanschaffen (laat je de Duitsers de extra F35 betalen)

Duitsland heeft na schatting 20 B61 op haar grondgebied, that's all.
Mmmhhh, ik kan me daarbij voorstellen dat:
- zowel NL en BE niet zo wild zouden zijn op dit ideetje (in BE zou 'Jan met de pet' dat speelgoed gisteren al met Fedex teruggestuurd hebben naar de eigenaar). Politici lopen dus ook niet meteen warm.
Dat daar dan ook nog eens een tiental van die dingen erbij zouden komen, die we indien nodig afwerpen 'on behalf of the German NATO contingent' zie ik nog minder snel gebeuren dan dat we die twintig op eigen bodem al zouden werpen.
- De Luftwaffe-leiding zie ik ook niet meteen zeggen, ja, onze buren gaan dat even voor ons overnemen. En dat ze daarvoor ons ook nog op een of andere manier zouden (moeten) vergoeden... dat zou een affront zijn.
Aan de andere kant zie ik de Linke(rzijde) van het Duitse politieke spectrum dat dan goeddunkend toestaan. Mogelijks op voorwaarde dat die dingen dan wel in Kleine Brogel en Volkel ondergebracht worden... Zijn zij er meteen vanaf: keine Nuklearwaffen mehr in Deuschland.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 23/11/2018 | 00:46 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 22/11/2018 | 20:31 uur
De mix klinkt interessant. De te vervangen Eurofighters zijn 33 stuks van tranche 1.
Hoe kunnen bakken uit 2003 tot 2008 in vredesnaam nu al zo oud zijn dat ze moeten worden vervangen? Zo'n Eurofighter tranche 1 is toch niet met plakband in elkaar gezet?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/11/2018 | 09:22 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 23/11/2018 | 00:46 uur
Hoe kunnen bakken uit 2003 tot 2008 in vredesnaam nu al zo oud zijn dat ze moeten worden vervangen? Zo'n Eurofighter tranche 1 is toch niet met plakband in elkaar gezet?

Het probleem met de tranche 1 uitvoering is dat deze niet kan worden geupgrade naar tranche 3 en verder. De AESA radar kan bijvoorbeeld niet worden geplaatst en er is een beperkt wapen arsenaal. Tranche 1 kan uiteindelijk maar beperkte taken met beperkte middelen uitvoeren.

De F/A-18E/F Super Hornet Block 1 heeft hetzelfde probleem. Alleen Block 2 kan naar Block 3 worden geupgrade.

De Rafale M F1 werd echter wel continu geupgrade en gaat nu naar de F3R versie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 23/11/2018 | 12:34 uur
Echt, wat een ramp die Europese toestellen. De Rafale doet het wel goed hierin, maar ja ach.  :cute-smile:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 23/11/2018 | 15:50 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/11/2018 | 09:22 uur
Het probleem met de tranche 1 uitvoering is dat deze niet kan worden geupgrade naar tranche 3 en verder. De AESA radar kan bijvoorbeeld niet worden geplaatst en er is een beperkt wapen arsenaal. Tranche 1 kan uiteindelijk maar beperkte taken met beperkte middelen uitvoeren.

De F/A-18E/F Super Hornet Block 1 heeft hetzelfde probleem. Alleen Block 2 kan naar Block 3 worden geupgrade.

De Rafale M F1 werd echter wel continu geupgrade en gaat nu naar de F3R versie.
Een oud-collega van me had hiervoor een goede omschrijving: Kwalitatief Uitermate Teleurstellend.

Als een fabrikant dit soort geintjes bij mij zou flikken dan zou ik nooit meer bij ze kopen. Als er dusdanig slecht is ontworpen dat hoogstens 15 jaar oude straaljagers - toestellen waarvan je op voorhand weet dat ze tientallen jaren moeten vliegen en waarvan je weet dat ze meerdere keren dienen te worden geüpgrade om bij te blijven - dienen te worden vervangen voor nieuwe dan ben je wel een prutser eerste klas. Ik begin de keuze voor de F-35 van de Klu steeds beter te snappen, want dit lijkt nergens op.

Dit soort onzin onderstreept ook maar weer waarom ik weinig vertrouwen heb ik het nieuwe Frans-Duitse straaljager project.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 23/11/2018 | 18:41 uur
Belgen komen er vanzelf achter wat er met dat halve miljard gaat gebeuren waarmee ze de Franse schuld hebben afbetaald.

toedeledokie
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: John117 op 23/11/2018 | 18:56 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 20/11/2018 | 09:54 uur
En dan te bedenken dat 388th FW en 419th FW volgend jaar gezamenlijk 78 stuks hebben.



En het vervolg:


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 23/11/2018 | 22:13 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 23/11/2018 | 18:41 uur
Belgen komen er vanzelf achter wat er met dat halve miljard gaat gebeuren waarmee ze de Franse schuld hebben afbetaald.

toedeledokie

Driehonderd en nog wat en lang niet zeker dat de Fransen er überhaupt wat van zullen zien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 23/11/2018 | 22:41 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/11/2018 | 09:22 uur
Het probleem met de tranche 1 uitvoering is dat deze niet kan worden geupgrade naar tranche 3 en verder. De AESA radar kan bijvoorbeeld niet worden geplaatst en er is een beperkt wapen arsenaal. Tranche 1 kan uiteindelijk maar beperkte taken met beperkte middelen uitvoeren.

De F/A-18E/F Super Hornet Block 1 heeft hetzelfde probleem. Alleen Block 2 kan naar Block 3 worden geupgrade.

De Rafale M F1 werd echter wel continu geupgrade en gaat nu naar de F3R versie.

Gaat Niet, Bestaat Niet.

Technisch gezien is het wel mogelijk om de Typhoon Tranche 1 naar Tranche 3 op te waarderen.  Idem dito voor de F-18E/F 'Super Bug' block 1 naar block 3.

Bij de introductie van de eerste KLu F-16A/B's in 1979, werd ook gezegd dat dit een 'injectie voor 20 jaar' zou zijn.
In 1985 ging de KLu al op zoek naar een F-16A/B opvolger en ging kijken bij Dassault in Parijs.  Een testvlieger en generaal Breeschoten waren niet onder de indruk van de Avion Combat de Futur, later Rafale.  Qua (avionica) vaardigheden beschouwden zij deze een gelijke van de F-16C/D.
Een Amerikaanse F-16 opvolger zou echter niet in 1999 beschikbaar zijn, maar rond 2010.
Oeps, we moeten onze F-16A/B block 15 OCU's dus misschien moderniseren, zodat ze tot 2015 meekunnen.

Na terugkomst uit Parijs, werd relatief snel beslist om over te gaan tot deze Mid Life Update (MLU).
Toch waren er ook toen kritische geluiden te over over deze ingrijpende MLU.
Waarom veel geld spenderen aan een kist die bedoeld is voor 20 dienstjaren / oorspronkelijk slechts een airframe life van 4.000 vlieg-uren ?  En daar dan mee door blijven vliegen tot 2015 of zelfs 2020, is een 35 tot 41 jarig jubileum.
Uiteindelijk kwam er de F-16AM/BM, die grotendeels equivalent en op sommige vlakken zelfs beter is dan de F-16C/D.

In de jaren 90 concludeerde de Noorse luchtmacht echter dat het F-16A/B MLU programma niet kosten-effectief, is geen waar voor je geld, verlopen was !   ;)
De deelnemers aan het Eurofighter consortium vinden het gewoon niet kosten-effectief / te duur om Tranche 1 kisten de ingrijpende opwaardering tot Tranche 3 te geven.
Idem dito voor de US Navy met haar F-18E/F block 1's.
Vergeet niet dat de US Air Force haar eerste block variant(en) van de F-22A ook niet een opwaardering geeft en ze zijn van plan dat zelfde te doen met de oudste versies van de F-35, zoals block 2B kisten bijvoorbeeld.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/11/2018 | 09:45 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 23/11/2018 | 22:41 uur
De deelnemers aan het Eurofighter consortium vinden het gewoon niet kosten-effectief / te duur om Tranche 1 kisten de ingrijpende opwaardering tot Tranche 3 te geven.
Idem dito voor de US Navy met haar F-18E/F block 1's.
Vergeet niet dat de US Air Force haar eerste block variant(en) van de F-22A ook niet een opwaardering geeft en ze zijn van plan dat zelfde te doen met de oudste versies van de F-35, zoals block 2B kisten bijvoorbeeld.

Goed. Dan houden we het het op kosten. In ieder geval zit je met redelijk jonge toestellen waar dan heel veel geld tegenaan moet worden gegooid. En met de Super Hornet Block 1 moet ook nog eens de technische levensduur in de gaten worden gehouden. Super Hornets zijn de afgelopen 16 jaar zeer intensief gebruikt.

Overigens gaan alle F-35's vanaf LRIP 2 naar Block 3F. LRIP 1 bestaat uit slechts 2 toestellen.

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=52626&sid=4507d813759b690d147d65fce8615fa1&start=180
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/11/2018 | 09:07 uur
The French Air Force and FCAS: Perspectives from the International Fighter Conference 2018 - Second Line of Defense

https://sldinfo.com/2018/11/the-french-air-force-and-fcas-perspectives-from-the-international-fighter-conference-2018/#.W_upfelCuvE.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/11/2018 | 09:38 uur
Citaat
A similar perspective was highlighted during my interactions over the past few years with the European Air Group, of which the FAF is a key member.

The EAG refers to this as 4thand 5thgeneration integration and during my visit to the EAG earlier this year during my visit, Air Commodore Adang highlighted how saw the challenge:

If I look at European air forces, current plans, when you total the projected number of F-35s in about ten years' time, say 2028, and you compare it to the number of 4th gen fighters that will be used at that time still, then you're looking at about 20% fifth gen systems and 80% 4th gen systems, not including any F-35 or F-22 US forces.

"And the total number that makes up that 20% of F-35s is too small to create the total effects that you need in a major combined air operation.

"You need the missile carrying capabilities and other attributes of the 4th gen fighters to ultimately be successful. So it's only through a combination of 4th and 5th gen that we can be successful in future air operations.

"And this is the trick."

Aldus Franse Commodore Adang. Ik heb nog nooit van zulk creatief rekenen gehoord in een officieel persbericht van een commerciële groep. vrijwel alle variabelen die hij erin heeft gegooid zijn uit de lucht gegrepen, en een Franse commodore die zich druk maakt om andere luchtwapensystemen van andere landen uit zorg voor die landen, nooit van gehoord. Wat een kwats zeg.


And that is the trick
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/11/2018 | 11:31 uur
Japan Set to Procure F-35B STOVL Aircraft for JMSDF Izumo-class 'helicopter destroyer'

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/november-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/6689-japan-set-to-procure-f-35b-stovl-aircraft-for-jmsdf-izumo-class-helicopter-destroyer.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/11/2018 | 11:38 uur
Citaat van: Navy Recognition op 26/11/2018 | 11:31 uur
Japan Set to Procure F-35B STOVL Aircraft for JMSDF Izumo-class 'helicopter destroyer'

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/november-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/6689-japan-set-to-procure-f-35b-stovl-aircraft-for-jmsdf-izumo-class-helicopter-destroyer.html

Dan zal over niet al te lange tijd een DSCA bericht hierover verschijnen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 26/11/2018 | 11:47 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/11/2018 | 11:31 uur
Japan Set to Procure F-35B STOVL Aircraft for JMSDF Izumo-class 'helicopter destroyer'

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/november-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/6689-japan-set-to-procure-f-35b-stovl-aircraft-for-jmsdf-izumo-class-helicopter-destroyer.html
Dat word een interessante ontwikkeling in de regio, Zuid-Korea gaat nu ook niet lang op zich laten wachten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/11/2018 | 11:53 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 26/11/2018 | 11:47 uur
Dat word een interessante ontwikkeling in de regio, Zuid-Korea gaat nu ook niet lang op zich laten wachten.

Zou kunnen. Wel is het de vraag wat de Zuid Koreaanse krijgsmacht qua prioriteiten heeft. Of meer F-35A's erbij of dat de F-35B voorrang krijgt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 26/11/2018 | 12:34 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 26/11/2018 | 11:53 uur
Zou kunnen. Wel is het de vraag wat de Zuid Koreaanse krijgsmacht qua prioriteiten heeft. Of meer F-35A's erbij of dat de F-35B voorrang krijgt.
Misschien heeft het niet direct de prioriteit bij de Koreanen maar wat we zien in de regio is dat er toch weer meer vliegdekschepen in gebruik komen.

Ook Singapore heeft plannen in de kast liggen voor het aankopen van 100 F-35's, hiervan moet een deel F-35B worden voor inzet vanaf de Endurance LHD die ontwikkeld is.
Het schip is nog niet besteld en de F-35 plannen zijn terug de kast in voorlopig maar misschien dat de Japanse keuze hier ook verandering in brengt. We moeten ook niet vergeten dat de Chinezen ook niet stil zitten en waarschijnlijk ook niet op VTOL gebied en het is bekend dat China op dit moment 3 LHD's (Type 075) in aanbouw heeft.

Dit worden volgens de geruchten schepen van 250 x 30 m en een gewicht van 40,000 ton dus VTOL is daar niet ondenkbaar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/11/2018 | 17:02 uur
PICTURE: Saab's second Gripen E makes flight debut

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/picture-saabs-second-gripen-e-makes-flight-debut-453900/

Link naar filmpje.

https://gripenblogs.com/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=2021
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/11/2018 | 17:48 uur
Waarom zou singapore in hemelsnaam door japan worden bewogen met vliegdekschepen te gaan werken?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 26/11/2018 | 17:53 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 26/11/2018 | 17:48 uur
Waarom zou singapore in hemelsnaam door japan worden bewogen met vliegdekschepen te gaan werken?
Niet direct door Japan maar die plannen hebben ze al langer, ze hebben de Endurance 170 LHD ontwikkeld met optioneel een skyjump zoals de QE carriers dat hebben.
De Japanse keuze maakt het waarschijnlijk dat er meerdere landen deze optie gaan bekijken en met de plannen van Singapore ''in de kast'' is het zeker niet raar dat ze daar nog eens naar gaan kijken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/11/2018 | 17:55 uur
als de jappen dat gaan doen zou het alleen maar onlogischer worden voor singapore. Die behoefte is dan in die regio gedekt.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/11/2018 | 18:21 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 26/11/2018 | 17:55 uur
als de jappen dat gaan doen zou het alleen maar onlogischer worden voor singapore. Die behoefte is dan in die regio gedekt.

De Zuid Chinese Zee ligt toch nog behoorlijk op afstand van Japan. Daar moet wel heel wat gebeuren voordat Japan die kant opkomt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/11/2018 | 08:53 uur
Japan to order 100 more F-35 fighters from US

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-Relations/Japan-to-order-100-more-F-35-fighters-from-US
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 27/11/2018 | 09:40 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/11/2018 | 08:53 uur
Japan to order 100 more F-35 fighters from US

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-Relations/Japan-to-order-100-more-F-35-fighters-from-US

Als ik het zo even lees is de order dus 42x F-35A + 58x F-35B dat zijn geen kleine aantallen. En dan ook nog eens 100 F-15's upgraden en deze ernaast houden, Japan neemt haar defensie tenminste serieus.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/11/2018 | 09:46 uur
Citaat van: Nikkei Asian Review op 27/11/2018 | 08:53 uur
Japan to order 100 more F-35 fighters from US

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-Relations/Japan-to-order-100-more-F-35-fighters-from-US

Als dit daadwerkelijk wordt aangeschaft, dan begint het ergens op te lijken. De FACO in Nagoya stopt in dat geval niet na nummer 38 (eerste 4 komen van Fort Worth).

Vond nog dit bericht van vorig jaar.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-Relations/Japan-and-UK-to-collaborate-on-missile-development2

Lijkt mij een goed alternatief voor de AIM-120D.

Citaat van: Parera op 27/11/2018 | 09:40 uur
Als ik het zo even lees is de order dus 42x F-35A + 58x F-35B dat zijn geen kleine aantallen. En dan ook nog eens 100 F-15's upgraden en deze ernaast houden, Japan neemt haar defensie tenminste serieus.

Het is volgens het bericht 42 x F-35A + 100 x F-35. Daarvan is nog niet bekend hoeveel -A en -B het zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 27/11/2018 | 09:57 uur
Er zullen overal nog bestellingen volgen.

Naast Japan ook Engeland, nu zal misschien zelfs Duitsland de F-35 aanschaffen, NL gaat haar orders ook verhogen, dat mag bijna wel hardop worden geroepen, Ik zie België er zelfs nog wat bij bestellen, Denemarken volgt dan snel.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 27/11/2018 | 10:02 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/11/2018 | 09:46 uur
Het is volgens het bericht 42 x F-35A + 100 x F-35. Daarvan is nog niet bekend hoeveel -A en -B het zijn.

Je hebt gelijk.
Als ik het zo lees willen ze hun huidige 200 F-15's upgraden, dit is mogelijk met ongeveer 100 van de F-15's de andere 100 moeten vervangen worden door de F-35.
Dan kan het een mix worden van  50x F-35 en 50x F-35B maar het kan ook een klein aantal B's worden (waar ik eerder vanuit ga).

Ik zie voor Japan een vergelijkbaar aantal als Turkije of Italië 30 a 40 F-35B's om te beginnen.

Volgens Japanse studies is het ombouwen van het schip naar skyjump lastig omdat er een zware (OQQ-23) boeg sonar onder het schip zit. Als hier ook een skyjump geplaatst is heeft het schip een te groot gewicht op de boeg. De hangaar heeft een afmeting van 245 x 38 m (9310 m2), deze kan afgesloten worden in een voorste en achterste hangaar d.m.v. een brandwerende deur.
Beide liften kunnen 30 ton bewegen dat is genoeg voor de F-35B en V-22.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/11/2018 | 10:43 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 27/11/2018 | 10:02 uur
Volgens Japanse studies is het ombouwen van het schip naar skyjump lastig omdat er een zware (OQQ-23) boeg sonar onder het schip zit. Als hier ook een skyjump geplaatst is heeft het schip een te groot gewicht op de boeg. De hangaar heeft een afmeting van 245 x 38 m (9310 m2), deze kan afgesloten worden in een voorste en achterste hangaar d.m.v. een brandwerende deur.
Beide liften kunnen 30 ton bewegen dat is genoeg voor de F-35B en V-22.

Als het zo lastig is, heeft het voor Japan dan nog wel zin om een ski-jump te plaatsen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 27/11/2018 | 10:53 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/11/2018 | 10:43 uur
Als het zo lastig is, heeft het voor Japan dan nog wel zin om een ski-jump te plaatsen?

De vraag is of het nodig is? De Italiaanse LHD Trieste heeft ook geen skyjump maar kan ook F-35B's dragen, het zijn er maar 10 maar ze kunnen wel gebruikt worden voor deze taak. Ook de Amerikanen hebben geen skyjumps op hun LHD/LHA's.

Ik verwacht ook dat als Japan de F-35B keuze doorzet dat er een of twee ''echte'' aircraft carriers gaan komen op termijn of het plan van het kopen van 1 Wasp klasse schip is nog een mogelijkheid al zou ik gaan voor een nieuwe America klasse. Japan heeft ook genoeg kennis om zelfstandig een ontwerp te ontwikkelen en te bouwen dat past beter in hun ''plaatje''.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/11/2018 | 11:18 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 27/11/2018 | 10:53 uur
Ik verwacht ook dat als Japan de F-35B keuze doorzet dat er een of twee ''echte'' aircraft carriers gaan komen op termijn


Bij een "echte" carrier zou men vermoedelijk niet de Britse (wat mij betreft foutieve) keuze maken en gaan voor een CATOBAR = F35C.

Ik zie de Japanners niet gaat voor een of meerdere 65K ton+ carriers, wel voor 30-40K ton LHD's.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 27/11/2018 | 11:26 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/11/2018 | 11:18 uur
Bij een "echte" carrier zou men vermoedelijk niet de Britse (wat mij betreft foutieve) keuze maken en gaan voor een CATOBAR = F35C.

Ik zie de Japanners niet gaat voor een of meerdere 65K ton+ carriers, wel voor 30-40K ton LHD's.

''echte carrier'' is dan misschien een fout woord maar ''purpose build'' is dan beter passend. En ja een 30 - 40 k ton LHD/LHA is iets dat goed past binnen de plannen van Japan.
Eerder dit jaar hebben ze hun eerste ''mariniers'' eenheid heropgericht sinds het einde van ww2, het plan is om een eenheid te creëren vergelijkbaar met een Amerikaanse Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_expeditionary_unit
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/11/2018 | 15:33 uur
Qatar to receive first F-15QAs in early 2019

https://www.janes.com/article/84839/qatar-to-receive-first-f-15qas-in-early-2019
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Kaaskop2 op 27/11/2018 | 21:01 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 27/11/2018 | 09:40 uur
Als ik het zo even lees is de order dus 42x F-35A + 58x F-35B dat zijn geen kleine aantallen. En dan ook nog eens 100 F-15's upgraden en deze ernaast houden, Japan neemt haar defensie tenminste serieus.

Vergeet niet dat de bevolking van Japan zeven zo groot is als die van Nederland en de economie zes keer. Als je daar rekening mee houdt, komt het dicht in de buurt van de 37 F-35 van NL.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 28/11/2018 | 13:34 uur
Chili moderniseert 'Nederlandse' F-16's

De Chileense Minister van Defensie, Alberto Espina, liet deze week weten dat de regering akkoord heeft gegeven voor het moderniseren van de F-16's van de Chileense luchtmacht. Met deze geplande upgrade kunnen de gevechtstoestellen nog zo'n twintig jaar langer in dienst blijven.

Tweedehands
De te moderniseren F-16's zijn 'tweedehandsjes' die Chili van Nederland heeft overgenomen. Ter vervanging van hun vloot Mirage 50 en 5M straaljagers keken de Chilenen eind 2004 naar Nederland. In oktober 2005 werd groen licht gegeven voor de aanschaf van elf F-16A's en zeven F-16B's die overtallig waren bij de Koninklijke Luchtmacht. Alle achttien F-16's waren reeds gemoderniseerd naar de MLU (Mid Life Update) standaard en werden tussen augustus 2006 en september 2007 naar Chili gevlogen.

Peace Amstel
Kort daarna werd onder de naam 'Peace Amstel II' wederom een batch van overtallige F-16's geleverd aan Chili. Dit maal waren het achttien 'single seat' F-16A's die ook al waren voorzien van de MLU-update. Deze toestellen zijn tussen 2010 en mid-2011 geleverd. De totaal 36 ex-KLU F-16's vormen samen met tien nieuwgebouwde F-16's (zes F-16C's en vier F-16D's), de voornaamste luchtverdediging van dit langgerekte Zuid-Amerikaanse land.

Upgrade
Alhoewel de precieze details omtrent de modernisering nog niet bekend zijn, heeft het Israelische Elbit Systems begin dit jaar wel een presentatie gegeven aan de Chileense luchtmacht. Het Israelische bedrijf presenteerde toen verschillende producten en diensten gerelateerd aan het onderhoud en modernisering van de F-16. Onderwerpen die aan bod kwamen waren onder andere de logistieke ondersteuning, modificatie van het Heads Up Display (HUD), het geïntegreerd helmgemonteerd richtsysteem (Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System), de eventuele aanschaf van een simulator en ondersteuning van de APG-66(V2) en APG-68(V9) radarsystemen.

Modernisering
Israeli Aerospace Industries (IAI) heeft dit jaar ook de mogelijkheden rondom de modernisering van de F-16 getoond. Het Amerikaanse bedrijf ViaSat is eveneens in gesprek geweest met leiders binnen de Chileense Luchtmacht. Vertegenwoordigers van het bedrijf lieten verschillende opties voor modernisering rondom het Link-16 datasysteem zien. Dit is een militair tactisch datalink netwerk dat gevechtsvliegtuigen een near-real time tactisch overzicht van een bepaald gebied laat zien. Het is in gebruik is bij verschillende NAVO-landen en andere landen die daarvoor toestemming hebben gekregen; Chili is hier dus één van.

Jane's
Het gezaghebbende defensietijdschrift Jane's schreef vorig jaar al dat de Chileense Luchtmacht de mogelijkheden van modernisering van de huidige F-16 vloot aan het bekijken was. Volgens de planning zouden alle 46 toestellen uiterlijk in 2030 moderniseerd zijn.

[Bron: upinthesky.nl ]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/11/2018 | 11:40 uur
UPDATE: RTAF seeks to upgrade Gripen combat aircraft to MS20 configuration

https://www.janes.com/article/84868/update-rtaf-seeks-to-upgrade-gripen-combat-aircraft-to-ms20-configuration

Eurofighter key to securing European defence industrial sovereignty – CEO

https://www.janes.com/article/84866/eurofighter-key-to-securing-european-defence-industrial-sovereignty-ceo
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/11/2018 | 09:38 uur
Navy Stands Up Joint Strike Fighter Wing to Oversee F-35C Operations, Training, Manning

https://news.usni.org/2018/11/29/navy-stands-up-joint-strike-fighter-wing-to-oversee-f-35c-operations-training-manning
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/12/2018 | 10:02 uur
Royal Navy and RAF locked in dogfight over new jets that cannot fly from warships

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/royal-navy-fury-as-raf-pushes-for-new-jets-that-cannot-fly-from-warships-11568074

RAF plan for F-35 split-buy undermines aircraft carrier programme

https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/raf-plan-for-f-35-split-buy-undermines-aircraft-carrier-programme/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/12/2018 | 10:24 uur
Italy F-35s reach initial operating capability

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/11/30/italy-f-35s-reach-initial-operating-capability/

Japanese acquisition officials reveal next steps in search for advanced fighter jet

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/japan-aerospace/2018/11/30/japanese-acquisition-officials-reveal-next-steps-in-search-for-advanced-fighter-jet/

Japan prepares to stand up first F-35 operational unit

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/japan-aerospace/2018/11/28/japan-prepares-to-stand-up-first-f-35-operational-unit/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 03/12/2018 | 19:01 uur
https://www.defensenews.com/newsletters/tv-next-episode/2018/12/03/more-f-35s-for-japan/

https://www.defensenews.com/newsletters/tv-next-episode/2018/12/03/2nd-gripen-e-takes-flight/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/12/2018 | 08:36 uur
Poland accelerates fighter replacement plans

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/poland-accelerates-fighter-replacement-plans-454094/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/12/2018 | 13:38 uur
Steve Trimble‏ @TheDEWLine 

Spain announces intention to join France and Germany's project to develop a next generation fighter, the adds that Italy and the Netherlands are joining Team Tempest.

España insta su participación como socio de pleno derecho en el futuro caza europeo

http://www.defensa.gob.es/gabinete/notasPrensa/2018/12/DGC-181203-caza-europeo-ngws.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 04/12/2018 | 13:44 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/12/2018 | 13:38 uur
Steve Trimble‏ @TheDEWLine 

Spain announces intention to join France and Germany's project to develop a next generation fighter, the adds that Italy and the Netherlands are joining Team Tempest.

España insta su participación como socio de pleno derecho en el futuro caza europeo

http://www.defensa.gob.es/gabinete/notasPrensa/2018/12/DGC-181203-caza-europeo-ngws.html

Het F-35 project is afgerond voor Nederland (ontwikkelings fase) en ook in de toekomst moet onze militaire vliegtuig industrie werk hebben. Dat kan alleen als we blijven mee doen met dit soort projecten. En de KLU heeft misschien wel interesse in een twin engine toestel voor de toekomst naast de F-35. Zowel de Britten als Italianen hebben straks de F-35 rondvliegen en werken samen aan de Tempest en die moet vanaf 2035 - 2040 rondvliegen. Ik verwacht dan dat dit toestel aansluit op de F-35 en ook heel goed er naast kan opereren.

Ook de groeiende spanningen in de wereld zullen meespelen in de mogelijkheid voor 2 fighter types. Als we straks de 37 F-35's kunnen uitbreiden naar 3 Squadorons + 6 trainers (51/52 kisten) kunnen we misschien ook nog 2 Squadrons uitrusten met de Tempest (36 kisten).

Ook al kopen we ze zelf niet, mee doen in dit project is belangrijk voor het behoud van onze kennis en industrie.

Ook Belgie gaat geld steken in een 6th gen fighter, dat kan de Frans-Duitse zijn of de Tempest. Als ze slim zijn komen ze met Nederland mee naar de Tempest en kunnen we misschien ook de Zweden hier bij betrekken. Een mooi team ; VK, Italië, Nederland, België en Zweden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/12/2018 | 14:21 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 04/12/2018 | 13:44 uur
Het F-35 project is afgerond voor Nederland (ontwikkelings fase) en ook in de toekomst moet onze militaire vliegtuig industrie werk hebben. Dat kan alleen als we blijven mee doen met dit soort projecten. En de KLU heeft misschien wel interesse in een twin engine toestel voor de toekomst naast de F-35. Zowel de Britten als Italianen hebben straks de F-35 rondvliegen en werken samen aan de Tempest en die moet vanaf 2035 - 2040 rondvliegen. Ik verwacht dan dat dit toestel aansluit op de F-35 en ook heel goed er naast kan opereren.

Ook de groeiende spanningen in de wereld zullen meespelen in de mogelijkheid voor 2 fighter types. Als we straks de 37 F-35's kunnen uitbreiden naar 3 Squadorons + 6 trainers (51/52 kisten) kunnen we misschien ook nog 2 Squadrons uitrusten met de Tempest (36 kisten).

Ook al kopen we ze zelf niet, mee doen in dit project is belangrijk voor het behoud van onze kennis en industrie.

Alleen de beginfase van de F-35 wordt na afronding van de IOT&E fase afgesloten, maar de ontwikkeling blijft parallel aan het gebruik doorlopen.

Denk dat op dit moment het Nederlandse bedrijfsleven en de KLu nog als apart moet worden gezien. Het hele Tempest project is nog zo pril en het is maar de vraag of het op de wensen van de KLu aansluit.

En wie weet zit team FCAS en team Tempest straks alsnog bij elkaar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/12/2018 | 16:14 uur
Spain Urges Its Participation As A Full Partner In the Future European Fighter

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/198126/spain-formally-asks-to-join-french_german-fighter-program%2C-wants-work_share.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 04/12/2018 | 18:29 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 04/12/2018 | 13:44 uur
Het F-35 project is afgerond voor Nederland (ontwikkelings fase) en ook in de toekomst moet onze militaire vliegtuig industrie werk hebben. Dat kan alleen als we blijven mee doen met dit soort projecten. En de KLU heeft misschien wel interesse in een twin engine toestel voor de toekomst naast de F-35. Zowel de Britten als Italianen hebben straks de F-35 rondvliegen en werken samen aan de Tempest en die moet vanaf 2035 - 2040 rondvliegen. Ik verwacht dan dat dit toestel aansluit op de F-35 en ook heel goed er naast kan opereren.

Ook de groeiende spanningen in de wereld zullen meespelen in de mogelijkheid voor 2 fighter types. Als we straks de 37 F-35's kunnen uitbreiden naar 3 Squadorons + 6 trainers (51/52 kisten) kunnen we misschien ook nog 2 Squadrons uitrusten met de Tempest (36 kisten).

Ook al kopen we ze zelf niet, mee doen in dit project is belangrijk voor het behoud van onze kennis en industrie.

Ook Belgie gaat geld steken in een 6th gen fighter, dat kan de Frans-Duitse zijn of de Tempest. Als ze slim zijn komen ze met Nederland mee naar de Tempest en kunnen we misschien ook de Zweden hier bij betrekken. Een mooi team ; VK, Italië, Nederland, België en Zweden.

Het is allang bekend dat de Belgen met de Fransen gaan, heb je fat gemist ??
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 04/12/2018 | 18:35 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 04/12/2018 | 18:29 uur
Het is allang bekend dat de Belgen met de Fransen gaan, heb je fat gemist ??

Vermoedelijk gemist omdat het helemaal niet waar is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 04/12/2018 | 21:21 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 04/12/2018 | 13:44 uur
Het F-35 project is afgerond voor Nederland (ontwikkelings fase) en ook in de toekomst moet onze militaire vliegtuig industrie werk hebben. Dat kan alleen als we blijven mee doen met dit soort projecten. En de KLU heeft misschien wel interesse in een twin engine toestel voor de toekomst naast de F-35. Zowel de Britten als Italianen hebben straks de F-35 rondvliegen en werken samen aan de Tempest en die moet vanaf 2035 - 2040 rondvliegen. Ik verwacht dan dat dit toestel aansluit op de F-35 en ook heel goed er naast kan opereren.

Ook de groeiende spanningen in de wereld zullen meespelen in de mogelijkheid voor 2 fighter types. Als we straks de 37 F-35's kunnen uitbreiden naar 3 Squadorons + 6 trainers (51/52 kisten) kunnen we misschien ook nog 2 Squadrons uitrusten met de Tempest (36 kisten).

Ook al kopen we ze zelf niet, mee doen in dit project is belangrijk voor het behoud van onze kennis en industrie.

Ook Belgie gaat geld steken in een 6th gen fighter, dat kan de Frans-Duitse zijn of de Tempest. Als ze slim zijn komen ze met Nederland mee naar de Tempest en kunnen we misschien ook de Zweden hier bij betrekken. Een mooi team ; VK, Italië, Nederland, België en Zweden.
1981, Internationaler Luft- und Raumfahrt Ausstattung (ILA): jet Duitse Messerschmidt Bolkow Blohm / MBB toont een mock-up, een model op ware grote van het Taktischer Kampf Flugzeug jaren 90, TKF-90.   Afgezien van de toen F-14 en F-15 stijl schuin afgesneden lucht-inlaat, die later recht werd, leek die mock-up als 2 druppels water op wat later de Eurofighter Typhoon zou gaan worden.   De Typhoon maakte in maart 1994 pas haar eerste vlucht.  En de eerste Typhoon trad pas in augustus 2003 in dienst.
Op deze ILA waren Dassault en British Aerospace (BAe) ook aanwezig met artist impression schaalmodellen.   BAe toonde hier toen 2 tweemotorige modellen, waarvan er een veel weg had van het huidige BAE Tempest mock-up, maar dan zonder de Low Observability (stealth) vormgeving.
In 1982 was BAe op Farnborough met een mock-up van haar Agile Combat Aircraft (ACA).  Deze ACA leek als 2 druppels water op de Duitse TKF-90 en niet op de BAe schaalmodellen van 1981.
Dit laat maar eens zien hoe lang de ontwerp en ontwikkeling fase van een jachtvliegtuig is.

De KLu stuurde wat mensen medio 1994 op pad om de Typhoon nader te bekijken.
Qua vlieg-prestaties een 'F-16 on steroids' of anders gezegd een 'poor man's F-22A Raptor'.   Alleen onder de 10.000 voet kon de F-16A/B de Typhoon de baas.
De Typhoon had wel last van zoals men in de luchtvaart omschrijft: 'korte benen', een kort bereik, zeker vergeleken met de F-16 en F-15 Eagle.
Betreffende de vaardigheden / capaciteiten van avionica en sensoren had de Typhoon echter niet aanzienlijk meer te bieden dan F-15C, F-15E Strike Eagle, F-18 serie of F-16C block 40 en hoger.  De Klu eiste echter dat een F-16 vervanger over een active phase array / AESA radar moest beschikken.  Maar Eurofighter GmbH had alleen maar (vage) plannen voor een AESA radar pas na 2005 en 'zeker' in 2010.   Heden zit er in de Typhoon nog steeds geen productie AESA radar.  Dat komt pas in de Typhoons voor Koeweit in 2019 / 2020.
De KLu eiste ook dat de F-16 vervanger een betere overleefbaarheid had door hetzij: "supercruise", supersonisch kruisen; een goede steelsheid (low observability, LO) of een uitmuntend Elektronisch Oorlog Voering (EOV) systeem zoals de Gripen heeft.
De Typhoon was echter net als het F-16 bul zeer weinig LO en had maar een heel beperkte supercruise capaciteit.
Niet zo vreemd dat de Typhoon in de kandidatenevaluatie van 2001 /2002 dan ook op een verre derde plaats eindigde achter de 'JSF' en Rafale.

Het VK en Italie doen een flinke pot mee in het JSF project.  Maar ik heb mijn twijfels of dat dat voldoende technologische know-how oplevert om een Typhoon opvolger te ontwikkelen die bij de tijd is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 04/12/2018 | 23:20 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 04/12/2018 | 18:35 uur
Vermoedelijk gemist omdat het helemaal niet waar is.

Dan heb ik nieuws voor je amigo.
Citaat
"A model of the developmental Franco-German fighter was revealed by industrial partner Dassault in October, a development that was further boosted by neighboring Belgium's new commitment to invest in the program

Nou, dan weten we gelijk dat we in ieder geval met verschillende kisten gaan vliegen.
Spanje wil erbij, gaat vast lukken. Gaat vast iets opleveren. In ieder geval geen Franse spullen voor Nederland.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2018-11-12/good-and-bad-news-franco-german-fighter#
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 05/12/2018 | 01:09 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 04/12/2018 | 14:21 uur
Alleen de beginfase van de F-35 wordt na afronding van de IOT&E fase afgesloten, maar de ontwikkeling blijft parallel aan het gebruik doorlopen.

Denk dat op dit moment het Nederlandse bedrijfsleven en de KLu nog als apart moet worden gezien. Het hele Tempest project is nog zo pril en het is maar de vraag of het op de wensen van de KLu aansluit.

En wie weet zit team FCAS en team Tempest straks alsnog bij elkaar.

Ik ga er vanuit dat als onze industrie i.c.m. het Min. Def. deel gaat nemen aan dit project dat hier ook wel overleg geweest is met de KLU. En de Tempest is op dit moment niks meer dan een concept waarbij BAE Systems heeft gezegd dat het een twin-engine toestel word met een virtuele cockpit verder is er nog niks bekend, dus de ''eisen'' van de KLU kunnen allemaal nog verwerkt worden in de kist.

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 04/12/2018 | 18:29 uur
Het is allang bekend dat de Belgen met de Fransen gaan, heb je fat gemist ??
Ik weet dat ze mee doen aan een 6th gen project maar zoals Stoonbrace aangeeft was het volgens mij nog niet bekend of dit de Frans-Duitse werd of de Tempest. Als dat nu wel bekend is dan heb ik dat inderdaad gemist.

Citaat van: Poleme op 04/12/2018 | 21:21 uur
1981, Internationaler Luft- und Raumfahrt Ausstattung (ILA): jet Duitse Messerschmidt Bolkow Blohm / MBB toont een mock-up, een model op ware grote van het Taktischer Kampf Flugzeug jaren 90, TKF-90.   Afgezien van de toen F-14 en F-15 stijl schuin afgesneden lucht-inlaat, die later recht werd, leek die mock-up als 2 druppels water op wat later de Eurofighter Typhoon zou gaan worden.   De Typhoon maakte in maart 1994 pas haar eerste vlucht.  En de eerste Typhoon trad pas in augustus 2003 in dienst.
Op deze ILA waren Dassault en British Aerospace (BAe) ook aanwezig met artist impression schaalmodellen.   BAe toonde hier toen 2 tweemotorige modellen, waarvan er een veel weg had van het huidige BAE Tempest mock-up, maar dan zonder de Low Observability (stealth) vormgeving.
In 1982 was BAe op Farnborough met een mock-up van haar Agile Combat Aircraft (ACA).  Deze ACA leek als 2 druppels water op de Duitse TKF-90 en niet op de BAe schaalmodellen van 1981.
Dit laat maar eens zien hoe lang de ontwerp en ontwikkeling fase van een jachtvliegtuig is.

De KLu stuurde wat mensen medio 1994 op pad om de Typhoon nader te bekijken.
Qua vlieg-prestaties een 'F-16 on steroids' of anders gezegd een 'poor man's F-22A Raptor'.   Alleen onder de 10.000 voet kon de F-16A/B de Typhoon de baas.
De Typhoon had wel last van zoals men in de luchtvaart omschrijft: 'korte benen', een kort bereik, zeker vergeleken met de F-16 en F-15 Eagle.
Betreffende de vaardigheden / capaciteiten van avionica en sensoren had de Typhoon echter niet aanzienlijk meer te bieden dan F-15C, F-15E Strike Eagle, F-18 serie of F-16C block 40 en hoger.  De Klu eiste echter dat een F-16 vervanger over een active phase array / AESA radar moest beschikken.  Maar Eurofighter GmbH had alleen maar (vage) plannen voor een AESA radar pas na 2005 en 'zeker' in 2010.   Heden zit er in de Typhoon nog steeds geen productie AESA radar.  Dat komt pas in de Typhoons voor Koeweit in 2019 / 2020.
De KLu eiste ook dat de F-16 vervanger een betere overleefbaarheid had door hetzij: "supercruise", supersonisch kruisen; een goede steelsheid (low observability, LO) of een uitmuntend Elektronisch Oorlog Voering (EOV) systeem zoals de Gripen heeft.
De Typhoon was echter net als het F-16 bul zeer weinig LO en had maar een heel beperkte supercruise capaciteit.
Niet zo vreemd dat de Typhoon in de kandidatenevaluatie van 2001 /2002 dan ook op een verre derde plaats eindigde achter de 'JSF' en Rafale.

Het VK en Italie doen een flinke pot mee in het JSF project.  Maar ik heb mijn twijfels of dat dat voldoende technologische know-how oplevert om een Typhoon opvolger te ontwikkelen die bij de tijd is.
Zoals ik aangeef in een eerdere post verwacht ik dat de ''Tempest'' voornamelijk ontwikkeld word om naast de F-35 te opereren dus misschien ook wel met deels tech uit de (toekomstige) F-35 (o.a. sensoren). En het voordeel van meedoen vanaf het begin is dat de KLU zijn wensen er in kan toevoegen, iets dat niet meer kan als het toestel ontwikkeld is en rondvliegt.
We moeten ook niet vergeten dat de F-35 een ''5th Gen'' is en de Tempest voorlopig bekend staat als ''6th Gen'' maar het kan straks ook makkelijk gezien worden als een ''5.5 Gen''

En naar mijn idee heeft het VK en Italie naast de F-35 kennis ook nog wel een flinke schep kennis van de EF Typhoon en ook daar zijn lessen geleerd. De fouten van weinig bereik zullen waarschijnlijk niet nog een tweede keer gemaakt worden. En wat betreft de kansen dat de projecten samen gevoegd worden? Dat is mogelijk maar ik zie het niet snel gebeuren, als dat gebeurd zijn er veel te veel ''kapiteins op het schip''. Zowel BAE systems, Airbus Duitsland, Airbus Spanje, Leonardo & Dassault willen allemaal een zo groot mogelijk stuk van het werk binnen halen.

Zo'n project is nog wel te verdelen over 2 a 3 grote en een paar kleintjes maar niet over 5 grote en dan nog eens een paar kleintjes op de markt. Ook word verwacht dat Saab aansluit bij de Tempest, dit is ook geen kleine speler op de markt en die doen nu weer kennis op met hun next gen Gripen en de trainer die ze bouwen samen met Boeing voor de USAF.
Naar mijn verwachting zien we straks gewoon 2 Europese 6th gen toestellen op de markt en ik schat de kans nog aanwezig dat Duitsland uit het Frans-Duitse project stapt als ze het niet eens gaan worden over de verdeling waarna de Duitsers zich aansluiten bij de Tempest.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 08:05 uur
De Belgen hebben bij het uitgeven van geld voor hun f35 consessies gedaan naar Frankrijk in de vorm van investeringen in het Frans Duitse project. Was t.w.v een half miljard. Dat is breed uitgemeten.

Daarnaast hebben ze zich aan de Fransen gebonden IGC opvolger F35 door uitgesproken commitment, zoals het nieuwsbericht aangeeft.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/12/2018 | 09:57 uur
Opvallend is dat er, tot nu toe, nergens in de Nederlandse pers melding is gemaakt van  Nederlandse belangstelling/participatie in Tempest.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 11:05 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 05/12/2018 | 09:54 uur
Waar nu wordt gesproken over kiezen tussen een Britse of Duitse straaljager, lijkt mij dat een wat voorbarige discussie.
Er wordt nu zeer conceptueel werk uitgevoerd, al een paar jaar, maar dit soort dingen kosten gewoon veel tijd. En ja, natuurlijk doen mooie plaatjes de ronte, maar zoiets zegt ook allemaal weinig.

De EADS Barracuda vloog in 2006, de nEUROn in 2011 ofzo, en daar vliegen nu ook niet hele vloten van rond. Het maken van een mock-up of CGI is nog wel een flink stapje daarvoor.

Hnwoah.. er gaat al genoeg geld heen. Dus ik vind dat wel meevallen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 05/12/2018 | 11:53 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/12/2018 | 09:57 uur
Opvallend is dat er, tot nu toe, nergens in de Nederlandse pers melding is gemaakt van  Nederlandse belangstelling/participatie in Tempest.

Laat het ook nog maar even rusten (vind ik) want dan volgt er gelijk weer een (binnen NL) discussie over waarom nu al deelnemen en geld investeren in een nieuwe ontwikkeling/toestel, als de KLU nog niet eens volledig met de vervanger van de F-16 vliegt.

En opzich (denk ik) zou het misschien wel een betere keuze zijn om voor de Britse ontwikkeling te gaan dan de FR/DU.
Want :
1) Fransen zullen en blijven eigengereid, dus trekken hun eigen plan. Minder bereidheid voor input van andere landen en daarmee bedrijven   
2) Britten krijgen eerder steun van de VS en daarmee ook invoering van (wapen, sensor) systemen en het leveren ervan. En daarmee ook de "communicatie" tussen F-35 en Tempest.   
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 05/12/2018 | 12:16 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 05/12/2018 | 11:53 uur
Laat het ook nog maar even rusten (vind ik) want dan volgt er gelijk weer een (binnen NL) discussie over waarom nu al deelnemen en geld investeren in een nieuwe ontwikkeling/toestel, als de KLU nog niet eens volledig met de vervanger van de F-16 vliegt.

En opzich (denk ik) zou het misschien wel een betere keuze zijn om voor de Britse ontwikkeling te gaan dan de FR/DU.
Want :
1) Fransen zullen en blijven eigengereid, dus trekken hun eigen plan. Minder bereidheid voor input van andere landen en daarmee bedrijven   
2) Britten krijgen eerder steun van de VS en daarmee ook invoering van (wapen, sensor) systemen en het leveren ervan. En daarmee ook de "communicatie" tussen F-35 en Tempest.

Vergeet ook niet dat de Fransen willen gaan voor een toestel dat ook op de carrier kan landen wat daarmee dus ook extra kosten met zich mee brengt o.a. het versterken van het landingsgestel en het geschikt maken voor maritieme operaties.

Het Frans-Duitse toestel moet straks de EF Typhoon, Tornado, Rafale en waarschijnlijk ook de Spaanse F-18's gaan vervangen. Naast de carrier-borne fighter heeft Frankrijk nog een bijzondere eis  namelijk het dragen en afwerpen van nucleaire wapens.

Als ik het bekijk bij het Britse plan moet dat straks ook de EF Typhoon en Tornado gaan vervangen. Mogelijk komt daar voor Italië ook nog de AMX International bij maar dat is mij nog niet duidelijk. Daar kan uit eindelijk ook nog de Saab Gripen bij komen die het moet gaan vervangen.

Als Nederland en Italië aansluiten bij de Tempest dan zitten daar bijna de gehele Europese F-35 productie landen in dat project, alleen Noorwegen ontbreekt dan nog.
Bij het Frans-Duitse project heeft geen enkel bedrijf ervaring en kennis van stealth toestellen ontwikkelen. Nu kan ik ook niet zeggen dat Fokker hier echt ervaring in heeft maar BAE en Leonardo wel. Leonardo produceert nu de complete F-35 daar zit een bak kennis op dat gebied dat ook gebruikt kan worden voor de Tempest en BAE Systems is ook al lang betrokken bij de F-35.
Ik ga dan ook uit van het gebruik van Rolls Royce voor de engine of een samen ontwikkelde engine net als bij de Typhoon.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/12/2018 | 12:35 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 05/12/2018 | 12:16 uur
Als ik het bekijk bij het Britse plan moet dat straks ook de EF Typhoon en Tornado gaan vervangen. Mogelijk komt daar voor Italië ook nog de AMX International bij maar dat is mij nog niet duidelijk.

De laatste Britse Tornado's worden uiterlijk 31 maart 2019 buiten gebruik gesteld. Hun Typhoons en F-35B's moeten dan al hun taken overnemen.

De AMX vloot wordt net als de Tornado IDS/ECR vloot vervangen door de F-35A/B. Het oorspronkelijke aantal van 131 stuks was daarop gebaseerd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 05/12/2018 | 12:42 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 05/12/2018 | 12:35 uur
De laatste Britse Tornado's worden uiterlijk 31 maart 2019 buiten gebruik gesteld. Hun Typhoons en F-35B's moeten dan al hun taken overnemen.

De AMX vloot wordt net als de Tornado IDS/ECR vloot vervangen door de F-35A/B. Het oorspronkelijke aantal van 131 stuks was daarop gebaseerd.

Dan maakt dat de taak van de Tempest alleen maar makkelijker ; Het vervangen van de Typhoon.  ;D Ik kon niet zo snel info vinden over de vervanging van allerlei kisten bij de verschillende landen.

We hebben bij de F-35 gezien dat het vervangen van meerdere soorten toestellen door 1 toestel erg lastig is. Ik sta ook niet raar te kijken als het Frans-Duitse project daardoor of fout loopt of dat er ook daar een ''A'' en ''C'' variant van gaat komen.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/12/2018 | 15:17 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 05/12/2018 | 15:06 uur
De Typhoon had eerder ook de Harrier moeten vervangen, die eisen zijn los gelaten, maar anders had je een heel ander (STOVL) toestel gehad nu.

Dat is nieuw voor mij. Tot op heden was het mij duidelijk dat de RAF Typhoon oorspronkelijk de Tornado F.3 (ADV) en de Jaguar GR.3 zou vervangen. De Harrier GR.7/GR.9 zou dan samen met de Sea Harrier FRS.2 (samen Joint Harrier groep) door de STOVL JSF worden vervangen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/12/2018 | 15:42 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 05/12/2018 | 15:28 uur
Nee, nog veel eerder. Zat ik vd week te lezen n.a.v. verhaal van Poleme. Was Air Staff Target 392 of 396 ofzo, begin jaren '70. Al vrij snel is de STOVL eis laten varen en kwam de P110.

Zie:
http://www.bcar.org.uk/eurofighter-typhoon (http://www.bcar.org.uk/eurofighter-typhoon)

Ja, die plannen heb ik ook gelezen. Best interessant. Dacht dat je het plan uit de jaren 90 bedoelde.

Uiteindelijk zat de RAF alsnog met een afgeleide van AV-8B Harrier II, namelijk de Harrier GR.5 (opgewaardeerd tot GR.9).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 05/12/2018 | 17:37 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 08:05 uur
De Belgen hebben bij het uitgeven van geld voor hun f35 consessies gedaan naar Frankrijk in de vorm van investeringen in het Frans Duitse project. Was t.w.v een half miljard. Dat is breed uitgemeten.

Daarnaast hebben ze zich aan de Fransen gebonden IGC opvolger F35 door uitgesproken commitment, zoals het nieuwsbericht aangeeft.

Toen al gezegd dat het nieuwsbericht in De Tijd voorbarig was en onmiddellijk werd tegengesproken door verschillende bronnen, politieke en bij de luchtmacht. Er is géén commitment.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 17:59 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 05/12/2018 | 17:37 uur
Toen al gezegd dat het nieuwsbericht in De Tijd voorbarig was en onmiddellijk werd tegengesproken door verschillende bronnen, politieke en bij de luchtmacht. Er is géén commitment.

Als je goed oplet, dan zie je dat mijn bericht niet uit 'de tijd' komt en enkele dagen oud is.
Dat jou / BMI's voorkeur er niet ligt is iets anders, maar laten we het hier gewoon even bij wat er gebeurt houden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/12/2018 | 19:21 uur
Japan plans to replace 99 ageing F-15s with F-35A and F-35B fighters

https://www.janes.com/article/85020/japan-plans-to-replace-99-ageing-f-15s-with-f-35a-and-f-35b-fighters
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 20:04 uur
Gaan de Amerikanen zelf dus weer een toestel ontwerpen?
Wie gaat zich daarbij aansluiten? Inmiddels is het speeldveld al redelijk verdeelt. Alleen Noorwegen, Denemarken, Canada en Australië hebben nog niet aangegeven wat te doen.  Als spelers om rekening mee te houden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/12/2018 | 20:18 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 20:04 uur
Gaan de Amerikanen zelf dus weer een toestel ontwerpen?
Wie gaat zich daarbij aansluiten? Inmiddels is het speeldveld al redelijk verdeelt. Alleen Noorwegen, Denemarken, Canada en Australië hebben nog niet aangegeven wat te doen.  Als spelers om rekening mee te houden.

De Amerikanen ontwerpen 2 modellen (CPA en FA/XX) volgens huidige planning: eerste modellen operationeel (?) 2035.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 05/12/2018 | 20:25 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 05/12/2018 | 11:53 uur
Laat het ook nog maar even rusten (vind ik) want dan volgt er gelijk weer een (binnen NL) discussie over waarom nu al deelnemen en geld investeren in een nieuwe ontwikkeling/toestel, als de KLU nog niet eens volledig met de vervanger van de F-16 vliegt.

En opzich (denk ik) zou het misschien wel een betere keuze zijn om voor de Britse ontwikkeling te gaan dan de FR/DU.
Want :
1) Fransen zullen en blijven eigengereid, dus trekken hun eigen plan. Minder bereidheid voor input van andere landen en daarmee bedrijven   
2) Britten krijgen eerder steun van de VS en daarmee ook invoering van (wapen, sensor) systemen en het leveren ervan. En daarmee ook de "communicatie" tussen F-35 en Tempest.
Een dag met best wel mooi weer in 1979, Schiphol, Randy Crawford zingt "I will survive" op Hilversum 3.  Een vlieger gehuld in een knal oranje overall maakt de eerste vlucht met een KLu F-16.

Paris ...Soleil, 1985.
Een MinDef staatsecretaris, KLu generaal-majoor en een (F-16) test vlieger werden door de Franse regering uitgenodigd om bij Dassault te komen kijken naar de ACX
(Avion Combatant eXperimental) Rafale.  De Franse regering wilde dat andere landen mee gingen doen aan de ontwikkeling van dit jachtvliegtuig.
Na afloop waren de secretaris en de generaal-majoor positief gestemd over de Rafale. 
Alleen ... de test vlieger vond de Rafale qua prestaties ongeveer gelijk aan de F-16A.
De Rafale was alleen superieur qua vaardigheden van de avionica.  Hij stelde voor om rond 1999 de F-16 niet te vervangen door de Rafale of andere Euro-canard.
  Maar we zouden moeten wachten tot rond 2010 op de Amerikaanse F-16 vervanger. Dat zou pas echt een vijfde generatie jachtvliegtuig worden.  F-16 bouwer General Dynamics stelde nog voor om de Agile Falcon te bouwen.  Een F-16 met 25% grotere vleugel en een krachtigere motor.   De KLu zag dit niet zitten, want deze Agile Falcon zou te zwaar en te duur worden.
Dus werkte de KLu, samen met het Nat. Lucht en Ruimtevaart Lab. het Mid Life Update programma uit. Om de F-16A/B technisch en operationeel mee te laten gaan tot en met 2015.   De Amerikanen vonden het eerst helemaal niets, zij wilden liever nieuwe F-16C block 40's aanschaffen en eventueel exporteren naar F-16A/B gebruikers.
Uiteindelijk wist Nederland, de VS, Begië, Denemarken en Noorwegen toch te bewegen om de MLU door te voeren. 
De F-16AM/BM is qua vaardigheden equivalent aan de Rafale F1 en F2. 

Dus 6 jaar na invoering van de eerste F-16, was de KLu al bezig met het vervangingstraject.  En de beslissing om voor een F-16A/B MLU te gaan betekende toen al de facto een keuze voor een Amerikaanse F-16 vervanger.
Een beetje frappant was dat de KLu in 1988 haar 75 ste verjaardag vierde met Open Dagen op Deelen.   Ter ere van dat jubileum werden er op die Open Dagen door de KLu tijdschriften uitgedeeld.   In dat blad was ook een hoofd-artikel waarin de KLu verkondigde dat de F-16A/B vervanger, in te voeren rond 2000, een Europeaan zou worden.
Dat verhaal deed het natuurlijk goed in Den Haag, maar de werkelijkheid was toen al heel anders.

Het Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) project begon in 1993 als Joint Advanced Strike Technology (JAST) programma en werd in november 1996 als JSF aangeduid.
Dus respectievelijk al weer 25 jaar en 22 jaar geleden !   En het JSF project is inmiddels 6 jaar over tijd.
Dus is het helemaal niet vreemd dat de KLu nu al kijkt naar allerlei nieuwe technologieën en mogelijk interessante projecten die tot een eventuele F-35A vervanger kunnen leiden.   Haar interesse is absoluut niet bedoeld om een kist zoals het Tempest concept naast de F-35A vloot in te voeren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 20:34 uur
Dat is wel erg snel na de F-35.
Maar hoe gaan de landen het doen die zichzelf nu aan het Franse project binden met het wapenarsenaal? Dat gaat ongetwijfeld niet uitwisselbaar zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 05/12/2018 | 20:39 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 05/12/2018 | 20:25 uur
Dus is het helemaal niet vreemd dat de KLu nu al kijkt naar allerlei nieuwe technologieën en mogelijk interessante projecten die tot een eventuele F-35A vervanger kunnen leiden.   Haar interesse is absoluut niet bedoeld om een kist zoals het Tempest concept naast de F-35A vloot in te voeren.
Dat weet jij en ik en andere leden van dit forum wel, maar de "gewone Jan met de pet" mensen zien,  beleven dat heel anders.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/12/2018 | 20:49 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 20:34 uur
Maar hoe gaan de landen het doen die zichzelf nu aan het Franse project binden met het wapenarsenaal? Dat gaat ongetwijfeld niet uitwisselbaar zijn.

Het air-to-ground arsenaal van de Franse luchtmacht en marine bestaat voor inmiddels een groot deel uit Amerikaanse geleide bommen. Meteor wordt inmiddels door meerdere Europese landen gebruikt. ASRAAM en MICA komen van MBDA. Zodra Duitsland en Frankrijk wilde gaan samenwerken, wisten ze ook dat het nieuwe toestel wapens van beide landen moet kunnen gebruiken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/12/2018 | 20:55 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 05/12/2018 | 20:39 uur
Dat weet jij en ik en andere leden van dit forum wel, maar de "gewone Jan met de pet" mensen zien,  beleven dat heel anders.

Tempest tranche 2, zo rond 2055 ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 20:59 uur
april 2018, Frankrijk 'overweegt' UK te laten joinen in Franco-German fighter project
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2018/04/26/france-says-it-will-consider-letting-uk-join-fighter-aircraft-partnership-with-germany/

Jul 2018, UK kondigt Tempest Fighter project aan
https://www.wired.com/story/uk-very-british-tempest-fighter-jet/

jul 2018, Italië bevestigd deelname aan Tempest project als volledige deelnemer
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/991457/raf-fighter-jet-tempest-typhoon-leonardo-manufacturer

jul 2018, SAAB kondigt interesse aan in joinen UK Tempest fighter project
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-20/saab-ceo-says-warplane-maker-could-join-u-k-led-fighter-program

augustus 2018, VS toont interesse in UK tempest fighter
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/08/31/will-next-gen-british-fighter-concept-enhance-us-uk-partnership.html

Okt 2018, België koopt F-35 en investeert 0,4 miljard in Frans-Duitse fighter project 'SCAF'
"In Belgium, the lower-than-expected U.S. F-35 bid to meet the country's Air Combat Capability Program requirement left €647 million ($726 million) unspent. Reportedly, the decision has been made that €369 million of this will be invested in developing next-generation fighter, specifically in the SCAF program."

https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/2725806/belgie-kiest-voor-aanschaf-f-35
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2018-11-12/good-and-bad-news-franco-german-fighter#

Okt 2018, UK tempest fighter wordt geen all-british fighter, UK geeft toe dat het niet puur voor de Britse markt is ontwikkeld en afhankelijk is van anderen.
https://www.theengineer.co.uk/tempest-combat-aircraft/

nov 2018, België bevestigd deelname aan Franco-German Fighter project, Fra wil van DU dat toestel geëxporteerd mag wordenhttps://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2018-11-12/good-and-bad-news-franco-german-fighter#

dec 2018, Spanje kondigt officiële interesse in toetreding Frans-Duitse fighter project aan. Bevestigd NL keus voor Tempest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJxFXLdMFQA

dec 2018,Spaanse keuze toont dat Nederland partner blijkt te zijn in Tempest fighter project, naast Italie
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25279/eurofighter-consortium-2-0-takes-shape-as-spain-set-to-join-franco-german-stealth-jet-program

"What is also interesting about the Spanish statement regarding Tempest is the disclosure that Italian and Dutch governments are also part of that program. Italian defense contractor Leonardo and European missile consortium MBDA, which includes an Italian component, are already part of Team Tempest, but there have been no formal announcements of the Italian government considering purchasing the aircraft. This appears to be the first mention of Dutch interest or involvement at all."


TEMPEST: UK, ITA, NL, US, SWE
SCAF: FRA-BEL-GER-SPA

En ik dank de goden dat we niet met de Fransen in zee gaan, slim van de Luchtboys.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/12/2018 | 21:25 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 20:59 uur

TEMPEST: UK, ITA, NL, US, SWE
SCAF: FRA-BEL-GER-SPA

En ik dank de goden dat we niet met de Fransen in zee gaan, slim van de Luchtboys.

NL participatie in Tempest is logisch gezien: GKN Aerospace, (huidige) moeder van Fokker.

Ergens verwacht ik tzt Japan ook in het Tempest lijstje.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 21:53 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 20:59 uur
april 2018, Frankrijk 'overweegt' UK te laten joinen in Franco-German fighter project
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2018/04/26/france-says-it-will-consider-letting-uk-join-fighter-aircraft-partnership-with-germany/

Jul 2018, UK kondigt Tempest Fighter project aan
https://www.wired.com/story/uk-very-british-tempest-fighter-jet/

jul 2018, Italië bevestigd deelname aan Tempest project als volledige deelnemer
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/991457/raf-fighter-jet-tempest-typhoon-leonardo-manufacturer

jul 2018, SAAB kondigt interesse aan in joinen UK Tempest fighter project
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-20/saab-ceo-says-warplane-maker-could-join-u-k-led-fighter-program

augustus 2018, VS toont interesse in UK tempest fighter
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/08/31/will-next-gen-british-fighter-concept-enhance-us-uk-partnership.html

Okt 2018, België koopt F-35 en investeert 0,4 miljard in Frans-Duitse fighter project 'SCAF'
"In Belgium, the lower-than-expected U.S. F-35 bid to meet the country's Air Combat Capability Program requirement left €647 million ($726 million) unspent. Reportedly, the decision has been made that €369 million of this will be invested in developing next-generation fighter, specifically in the SCAF program."

https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/2725806/belgie-kiest-voor-aanschaf-f-35
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2018-11-12/good-and-bad-news-franco-german-fighter#

Okt 2018, UK tempest fighter wordt geen all-british fighter, UK geeft toe dat het niet puur voor de Britse markt is ontwikkeld en afhankelijk is van anderen.
https://www.theengineer.co.uk/tempest-combat-aircraft/

nov 2018, België bevestigd deelname aan Franco-German Fighter project, Fra wil van DU dat toestel geëxporteerd mag wordenhttps://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2018-11-12/good-and-bad-news-franco-german-fighter#

dec 2018, Spanje kondigt officiële interesse in toetreding Frans-Duitse fighter project aan. Bevestigd NL keus voor Tempest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJxFXLdMFQA

dec 2018,Spaanse keuze toont dat Nederland partner blijkt te zijn in Tempest fighter project, naast Italie
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25279/eurofighter-consortium-2-0-takes-shape-as-spain-set-to-join-franco-german-stealth-jet-program

"What is also interesting about the Spanish statement regarding Tempest is the disclosure that Italian and Dutch governments are also part of that program. Italian defense contractor Leonardo and European missile consortium MBDA, which includes an Italian component, are already part of Team Tempest, but there have been no formal announcements of the Italian government considering purchasing the aircraft. This appears to be the first mention of Dutch interest or involvement at all."


TEMPEST: UK, ITA, NL, US, SWE
SCAF: FRA-BEL-GER-SPA

En ik dank de goden dat we niet met de Fransen in zee gaan, slim van de Luchtboys.

Britten zeggen ze dat veel Britse bedrijven in NL die aan de F-35 bijdragen Britse bedrijven zijn in NL. Dat de kennis daarom ook logisch is daar vandaan te halen. Ik weet niet of dit zo is, het feit dat de Italianen de complete F-35 maken helpt wel veel lijkt me dan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 05/12/2018 | 22:05 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 17:59 uur
Als je goed oplet, dan zie je dat mijn bericht niet uit 'de tijd' komt en enkele dagen oud is.
Dat jou / BMI's voorkeur er niet ligt is iets anders, maar laten we het hier gewoon even bij wat er gebeurt houden.

Elke nieuwsredactie gaat natuurlijk zelf de eigen bronnen raadplegen voor ze een artikel schrijven. Zeker als het over defensie gaat.
Ach, geloof wat je wil. Wat maakt het ook uit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/12/2018 | 22:22 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 21:53 uur
Britten zeggen ze dat veel Britse bedrijven in NL die aan de F-35 bijdragen Britse bedrijven zijn in NL. Dat de kennis daarom ook logisch is daar vandaan te halen. Ik weet niet of dit zo is, het feit dat de Italianen de complete F-35 maken helpt wel veel lijkt me dan.

Zie reactie 3001
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 22:24 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 05/12/2018 | 22:05 uur
Elke nieuwsredactie gaat natuurlijk zelf de eigen bronnen raadplegen voor ze een artikel schrijven. Zeker als het over defensie gaat.
Ach, geloof wat je wil. Wat maakt het ook uit.
Ik bedenk het zelf niet. Waarom zou het niet waar zijn? Er wordt 0,4 miljard in het franse project geinvesteerd, dat heeft de Belgische minister zelf bekend gemaakt bij de F-35 keuze. Het komt nu terug in meerdere nieuwsbronnen dat België zich heeft vastgelegd op het Frans-Duitse project. En dat is ook alles behalve vreemd.
Waarom accepteer je het niet? leg uit. Ik sta open voor argumenten, tot nu toe wijst alles echter de andere kant op.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 22:25 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/12/2018 | 22:22 uur
Zie reactie 3001

ik was te laat ;), wilde aanvulln.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 05/12/2018 | 22:42 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 22:24 uur
Ik bedenk het zelf niet. Waarom zou het niet waar zijn? Er wordt 0,4 miljard in het franse project geinvesteerd, dat heeft de Belgische minister zelf bekend gemaakt bij de F-35 keuze. Het komt nu terug in meerdere nieuwsbronnen dat België zich heeft vastgelegd op het Frans-Duitse project. En dat is ook alles behalve vreemd.
Waarom accepteer je het niet? leg uit. Ik sta open voor argumenten, tot nu toe wijst alles echter de andere kant op.
Omdat ik op de avond zelf van 2 mensen die bij de persconferentie aanwezig waren hoorde dat het overige geld (600 Mio) naar "andere Europese projecten" ging waarvan 361 Mio naar "een toekomstig Europees gevechtsvliegtuig". Quotes van de minister.
Enkele bronnen bij ACCap hebben me nadien bevestigd dat het de bedoeling is een nieuwe afweging door vergelijking te maken tussen de verschillende projecten die in aanmerking komen, hetzij SCAF of Tempest.
Ik heb je dit toen diezelfde avond nog gezegd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 23:01 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 05/12/2018 | 22:42 uur
Omdat ik op de avond zelf van 2 mensen die bij de persconferentie aanwezig waren hoorde dat het overige geld (600 Mio) naar "andere Europese projecten" ging waarvan 361 Mio naar "een toekomstig Europees gevechtsvliegtuig". Quotes van de minister.
Enkele bronnen bij ACCap hebben me nadien bevestigd dat het de bedoeling is een nieuwe afweging door vergelijking te maken tussen de verschillende projecten die in aanmerking komen, hetzij SCAF of Tempest.
Ik heb je dit toen diezelfde avond nog gezegd.

Oke, dat is niet te controleren natuurlijk. We zullen het zien, ik heb in het Belgie Luchtmacht nieuws topic wat gepost. Ik denk persoonlijk dat het voor Belgie ook de meest logische keuze zou zijn. Tenslotte zijn het wel je buren met wie je het meeste te maken hebt als land, en afhankelijk.

kiezen voor de Tempest zou echt een 2e klap in het gezicht van La France zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 05/12/2018 | 23:20 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/12/2018 | 20:55 uur
Tempest tranche 2, zo rond 2055 ?
Dan zou ik als NL toch inzetten op een tranche 1 aankoop...  ;) een paar jaar eerder.

Als de Tempest wel een toestel wordt als een samenwerking tussen UK, ITA, NL, VS, ZWE dan heeft het , denk ik, internationaal ook wel kans van slagen. Zeker door deelname van VS.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/12/2018 | 23:39 uur
Ook duidelijk ontworpen om met de F-35 samen te werken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 06/12/2018 | 00:07 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 05/12/2018 | 15:06 uur
Fouten? Nu is het allemaal niet zo verschrikkelijk slecht met de Typhoon. Maar het toestel is ook ontworpen met een bepaald doel in ogen, een compromisloos ontwerp zoals velen graag zien.
Snel starten, snel hoogte maken, en daar de Soviets uit ons luchtruim en boven onze divisies vandaan vechten. Daar is het toestel voor ontworpen, en ook best wel goed in.

Verder sluit ik me gedeeltelijk bij je aan, want 'tempest' is nog niks. Er is geen toestel dat over 10 jaar operaioneel gaat zijn. Zou mij ernstig verbazen. De Typhoon had eerder ook de Harrier moeten vervangen, die eisen zijn los gelaten, maar anders had je een heel ander (STOVL) toestel gehad nu.

''fouten'' het is maar hoe je het ziet. Fouten / tekortkomingen het kan allebei in dit geval. En de Tempest moet in 2035 operationeel zijn maar het gaat zeker 2040 - 2045 zijn voordat het toestel in grote aantallen rond vliegt (tenzij er iets gebeurd waardoor het sneller moet).

Als de VS nog aansluit dan kan het nog wel eens een vervanger gaan worden voor de F-15's die nu rond vliegen (en vroege F-22 vervanger?)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 06/12/2018 | 18:56 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 06/12/2018 | 00:07 uur
Als de VS nog aansluit dan kan het nog wel eens een vervanger gaan worden voor de F-15's die nu rond vliegen (en vroege F-22 vervanger?)

Met als gevolg een grotere focus op Air-to-Air capaciteiten? Zou niet verkeerd zijn overigens met het oog op de zwakte van de F-35 op dit gebied.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/12/2018 | 19:03 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 06/12/2018 | 18:56 uur
Met als gevolg een grotere focus op Air-to-Air capaciteiten? Zou niet verkeerd zijn overigens met het oog op de zwakte van de F-35 op dit gebied.

Welke zwakte op air-to-air gebied bedoel je dan precies?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 06/12/2018 | 23:47 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 06/12/2018 | 18:56 uur
Met als gevolg een grotere focus op Air-to-Air capaciteiten? Zou niet verkeerd zijn overigens met het oog op de zwakte van de F-35 op dit gebied.

Dat zou voor mij heel goed mogelijk zijn. De 1 motorige F-35 is daar niet het beste toestel voor, het is er niet slecht in maar een twin-engine toestel kan dat vaak toch net iets beter.
En de Tempest word gewoon een multi-role kist maar als je die kan inzetten voor bijvoorbeeld de air-to-air rol en misschien kan het net wat meer wapens dragen dan de F-35. Nadeel kan wel zijn dat het dan ook een twee zits toestel word maar dit kan ook voordelen hebben voor toekomstige unmanned wingman plannen. Daarbij doet de piloot het werk met de eigen kist en kan de tweedeman de wingman aansturen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/12/2018 | 08:16 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 07/12/2018 | 08:10 uur
Komt er ook een tweezitter van de tempest?
En wanneer vliegen we er in rond?

Dat lijkt mij een aanname.

Als de Tempest het levenslicht ziet, dan, los van prototype(s), zullen ze pas operationeel rondvliegen per begin eerste helft van de jaren veertig. (tenzij de wereld aangeeft dat het tempo aanzienlijk opgeschroefd moet worden).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/12/2018 | 09:51 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 06/12/2018 | 23:47 uur
Dat zou voor mij heel goed mogelijk zijn. De 1 motorige F-35 is daar niet het beste toestel voor, het is er niet slecht in maar een twin-engine toestel kan dat vaak toch net iets beter.
En de Tempest word gewoon een multi-role kist maar als je die kan inzetten voor bijvoorbeeld de air-to-air rol en misschien kan het net wat meer wapens dragen dan de F-35. Nadeel kan wel zijn dat het dan ook een twee zits toestel word maar dit kan ook voordelen hebben voor toekomstige unmanned wingman plannen. Daarbij doet de piloot het werk met de eigen kist en kan de tweedeman de wingman aansturen.

Om weer op de air-to-air rol te komen, wordt denk ik een denkfout gemaakt. De F-35 is op air-to-air gebied net zo goed als de F-16 en de legacy Hornet. De Tempest en FCAS moet de Typhoon gaan opvolgen. De Typhoon werd immers gezien als het Europese antwoord op de F-15 Eagle. De F-16 is geen geen F-15, maar is zeker niet slechter op air-to-air gebied. Dat mag na bijna 40 jaar gebruik toch wel duidelijk zijn. Vraag mij af waarom sommigen dan twijfelen aan de F-35.

En hoeveel meer wapens moeten de Tempest dragen t.o.v. de F-35? Intern kunnen nu 4 AMRAAM missiles worden gedragen en ze zijn bezig met uitbreiding naar 6 (2 missiles op interne weapon stations 4/8). Extern 6 missiles en op de externe weapon stations 2/3/9/10 past een twin store carrier (aparte versies voor air-to-air en air-to-ground). Totaal dus minimaal 10 missiles en maximaal 16 missiles. Dat laatste zal overigens niet zo vaak worden gebruikt. Ter vergelijking draagt de F-16 maximaal 6 missiles.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 07/12/2018 | 12:05 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 07/12/2018 | 08:10 uur
Komt er ook een tweezitter van de tempest?
En wanneer vliegen we er in rond?

Dat is nog niet bekend, het mock-up bestond uit een enkelzits toestel. Maar als het de hele serie F-15's zou moeten gaan vervangen is dat ook voor de F-15E Strike Eagles die zijn allemaal in tweezits uitvoering.

Ik weet niet of deze al gepost is maar ik kwam het tegen.
(https://www.uk.leonardocompany.com/documents/1458024/81787502/body_Leonardo_TT_platform_sensors_infographic_FIAS2018_V180709_FINAL_1_.jpg)

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/12/2018 | 08:16 uur
Dat lijkt mij een aanname.

Als de Tempest het levenslicht ziet, dan, los van prototype(s), zullen ze pas operationeel rondvliegen per begin eerste helft van de jaren veertig. (tenzij de wereld aangeeft dat het tempo aanzienlijk opgeschroefd moet worden).
Het is een optie die ik open houd ik las ergens dat de Tempest ook gepland word als optioneel onbemand toestel of dat ze daar in elk geval naar gaan kijken wat de mogelijkheden zijn.
Ik houd dus nu nog rekening met drie versies / opties ; single seat, twin seat of unmanned.

Citaat van: Sparkplug op 07/12/2018 | 09:51 uur
Om weer op de air-to-air rol te komen, wordt denk ik een denkfout gemaakt. De F-35 is op air-to-air gebied net zo goed als de F-16 en de legacy Hornet. De Tempest en FCAS moet de Typhoon gaan opvolgen. De Typhoon werd immers gezien als het Europese antwoord op de F-15 Eagle. De F-16 is geen geen F-15, maar is zeker niet slechter op air-to-air gebied. Dat mag na bijna 40 jaar gebruik toch wel duidelijk zijn. Vraag mij af waarom sommigen dan twijfelen aan de F-35.

En hoeveel meer wapens moeten de Tempest dragen t.o.v. de F-35? Intern kunnen nu 4 AMRAAM missiles worden gedragen en ze zijn bezig met uitbreiding naar 6 (2 missiles op interne weapon stations 4/8). Extern 6 missiles en op de externe weapon stations 2/3/9/10 past een twin store carrier (aparte versies voor air-to-air en air-to-ground). Totaal dus minimaal 10 missiles en maximaal 16 missiles. Dat laatste zal overigens niet zo vaak worden gebruikt. Ter vergelijking draagt de F-16 maximaal 6 missiles.
De F-35 is een prima Air-to-Air kist maar een twin engine is ten alle tijden sneller en daarom in mijn ogen net iets beter in deze rol. De komst van over-the-horizon wapen systemen maakt dit wel minder belangrijk dan vroeger want die raket gaat veel sneller dan het toestel en in de toekomst verwacht ik ook dat hypersoon zijn intrede doet bij luchtdoel raketten.

Je hebt gelijk over de bewapening, ik heb er even naar gekeken. En de hoeveelheid lbs's die de F-35 kan dragen is bijna hetzelfde als die van de F-15E en veel hoger dan de EF Typhoon, F-15 en F-16. Een kleine verhoging naar +/- 25,000 lbs (11,340 kg)  is nog wel mogelijk maar dat is allemaal aan de bouwers om dat te beslissen op basis van de wensen van de klant.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/12/2018 | 12:36 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 07/12/2018 | 12:05 uur
Dat is nog niet bekend, het mock-up bestond uit een enkelzits toestel. Maar als het de hele serie F-15's zou moeten gaan vervangen is dat ook voor de F-15E Strike Eagles die zijn allemaal in tweezits uitvoering.

In 2021 krijgt de 48th Fighter Wing (492nd FS en 494th FS) van RAF Lakenheath de F-35A als F-15E vervanging. Zij kunnen dan meteen zien of een tweezits uitvoering voor air-to-ground nog wel nodig is. Zowel hun ervaring als van de RAF zelf kan misschien weleens uitwijzen welke Tempest varianten nodig zijn.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 07/12/2018 | 13:13 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 07/12/2018 | 12:36 uur
In 2021 krijgt de 48th Fighter Wing (492nd FS en 494th FS) van RAF Lakenheath de F-35A als F-15E vervanging. Zij kunnen dan meteen zien of een tweezits uitvoering voor air-to-ground nog wel nodig is. Zowel hun ervaring als van de RAF zelf kan misschien weleens uitwijzen welke Tempest varianten nodig zijn.

We gaan het zien.Het is ook goed mogelijk dat de Tempest (en andere next-gen fighters) straks maar 1 persoon in het toestel hebben waar er in de huidige generatie er 2 zitten.
Ik zie bijvoorbeeld mogelijkheden voor zwaardere missies waarbij veel vijandige luchtverdediging is ook kansen voor een piloot in de kist en de WSO bijvoorbeeld gewoon in een bunker op de thuisbasis via data-link. Eigenlijk wat we nu zien bij de UAV's maar dan een bemand toestel en een op afstand geregelde wapen inzet.

Dit komt zeker van pas als elke Tempest bijvoorbeeld 2 of 3 onbemande wingmen heeft, de WSO kan dan ook voor die kisten de wapeninzet regelen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 07/12/2018 | 17:08 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 06/12/2018 | 19:03 uur
Welke zwakte op air-to-air gebied bedoel je dan precies?
Op het gebied het 'dogfighten' VWR, zeg maar even globaal de wendbaarheid, schijnt de F-35 wat minder te zijn dan kisten als de F-16, Typhoon en F-22 binnen het westerse blok. Daar is het natuurlijk ook een multirole kist voor. Daarnaast het probleem van verouderende wapens voor A2A zoals de AMRAAM, iets wat overigens prima op te lossen is door bvb de Meteor aan te schaffen zoals de Britten het doen.

Nu het er op lijkt dat luchtoverwicht niet meer gegarandeerd is in toekomstige conflicten lijkt het me verstandig om naast multirole kisten zoals de Rafale en F-35 ook kisten te hebben zoals de F-22 en Typhoon die in eerste instantie voor luchtverdediging/overheersing gemaakt zijn(om het maar hetgeen wat nu rondvliegt maar als voorbeeld te gebruiken). Hoewel het aantal ontwerpen binnen het westen natuurlijk afneemt door samenwerkingen tussen landen en de ontwerpen daardoor steeds meer alles moeten kunnen, lijkt het mij niet verkeerd om een toestel toch een bepaald vakgebied te geven waarin zij uitblinkt.

Er zijn een aantal prima voorbeelden van fighters die doorontwikkeld werden of gemoderniseerd werden naar multirole/air-to-ground platformen:
F-15C naar F-15E
SU30 naar SU-34
F-14A naar F-14D
F-16A naar F-16AM
Typhoon Tranche 1 naar Tranche 3

Maar zijn diverse projecten om van jachtbommenwerpers fighters te maken mislukt of niet enorm geslaagd:
Tornado Gr1 naar F3
F-111

Vandaar mijn opmerking dat het Tempest project van mij best wat extra gericht mag zijn op luchtverdediging/luchtoverwicht. Een echte Typhoonvervanger dus.
Dan gaat de RAF de jaren '40 in met de F-35 en Tempest, beide multirole maar allebei hun afzonderlijke sterke vlakken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/12/2018 | 17:18 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 07/12/2018 | 17:08 uur
Op het gebied het 'dogfighten' VWR, zeg maar even globaal de wendbaarheid, schijnt de F-35 wat minder te zijn dan kisten als de F-16, Typhoon en F-22 binnen het westerse blok. Daar is het natuurlijk ook een multirole kist voor. Daarnaast het probleem van verouderende wapens voor A2A zoals de AMRAAM, iets wat overigens prima op te lossen is door bvb de Meteor aan te schaffen zoals de Britten het doen.

Diverse ervaringen hebben inmiddels uitgewezen dat de F-35 op air-to-air gebied (WVR en BVR) net zo goed is als F-16 en legacy Hornet. De prestaties moeten ook niet minder worden t.o.v. de types die de F-35 vervangt. Met de wendbaarheid zit het wel goed.

Op wapengebied heeft de KLu de AIM-9X Block II en is er een aanvraag gedaan voor de AIM-120C-7. Deze laatste kan in de toekomst altijd nog door de AIM-120D of Meteor worden vervangen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 07/12/2018 | 17:29 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 07/12/2018 | 17:18 uur
Diverse ervaringen hebben inmiddels uitgewezen dat de F-35 op air-to-air gebied (WVR en BVR) net zo goed is als F-16 en legacy Hornet. De prestaties moeten ook niet minder worden t.o.v. de types die de F-35 vervangt. Met de wendbaarheid zit het wel goed.
Prima voor een multirole kist dus, zal het echt wel overleven. maar het zal geen air-superiority kist zijn die kisten met bvb thrust vectoring eruit gaat manoeuvreren en die voor 'het vak' gemaakt zijn zoals de Typhoon, F-22 en SU-35. Is de F-35 ook  niet voor ontworpen dus in die zin ook geen probleem wat mij betreft. Als er maar wel ontwerpen naast komen te staan die daar wel voor ontworpen en geschikt zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 07/12/2018 | 17:34 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 07/12/2018 | 17:18 uur
Op wapengebied heeft de KLu de AIM-9X Block II en is er een aanvraag gedaan voor de AIM-120C-7. Deze laatste kan in de toekomst altijd nog door de AIM-120D of Meteor worden vervangen.
Beide, hoewel nu nog modern, gebaseerd op oudere ontwerpen, voor nu prima maar over 10 jaar? Het is niet voor niets dat de Britten nu al de Meteor en ASRAAM block 2 in hun F-35 willen hebben, die jongens hebben geen zin om over tien jaar hun hele wapenarsenaal al te moeten gaan vervangen. De Russen en Aziaten zijn voor mijn idee ons heel snel aan het inhalen op het gebied van A2A missiles. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/12/2018 | 18:49 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 07/12/2018 | 17:29 uur
Prima voor een multirole kist dus, zal het echt wel overleven. maar het zal geen air-superiority kist zijn die kisten met bvb thrust vectoring eruit gaat manoeuvreren en die voor 'het vak' gemaakt zijn zoals de Typhoon, F-22 en SU-35. Is de F-35 ook  niet voor ontworpen dus in die zin ook geen probleem wat mij betreft. Als er maar wel ontwerpen naast komen te staan die daar wel voor ontworpen en geschikt zijn.

Zoals je misschien weet zorgden de Amerikanen in de jaren 70 en 80 voor de high/low mix. Dus de combinaties F-14/F-18 en F-15/F-16. Alle 4 types zorg(d)en voor air superiority. Air superiority is niet alleen voor lange afstand (BVR), maar ook voor korte afstand (WVR). Je kunt een ontwerp helemaal richten op air superiority (F-15 en F-22), maar het is ook een taak. Neem bijvoorbeeld de USMC. De Hornets van de USMC hebben primair de air superiority taak, maar dat wordt overgenomen door de F-35B en F-35C.

Bij de USAF hebben de F-15C en F-22A squadrons primair de air superiority taak, maar kunnen als dat nodig is ook worden bijgestaan door F-16C squadrons. Dat is straks de F-35A.

In Japan wordt straks de F-15J gedeeltelijk vervangen door de F-35 en die krijgen dezelfde taak als de F-15J.

Citaat van: JdL op 07/12/2018 | 17:34 uur
Beide, hoewel nu nog modern, gebaseerd op oudere ontwerpen, voor nu prima maar over 10 jaar? Het is niet voor niets dat de Britten nu al de Meteor en ASRAAM block 2 in hun F-35 willen hebben, die jongens hebben geen zin om over tien jaar hun hele wapenarsenaal al te moeten gaan vervangen. De Russen en Aziaten zijn voor mijn idee ons heel snel aan het inhalen op het gebied van A2A missiles. 

De AIM-120D en de Meteor ontlopen elkaar niet heel veel. De AIM-9X Block I en II vormen binnen de Sidewinder familie een eigen generatie. Deze is een grote stap vooruit t.o.v. de AIM-9L/M generatie. De F-35A blijft zo lang in dienst, waarbij het wapenpakket vanzelf wordt aangepast. Dat is ook te zien bij de F-16. Als de KLu besluit om de ASRAAM Block 2 te nemen, dan is voor weapon stations 1/11 wel een ander launcher nodig. Er is een verschil tussen de launchers LAU-151 en LAU-152.

Al een paar jaar zijn ze in Amerika bezig met de Cuda. Een missile half zo groot als de AIM-120. Zie ook onderstaande topic

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=27277&sid=92ee32d69394797659dfc833dc5d5051
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 07/12/2018 | 20:24 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 07/12/2018 | 17:29 uur
Prima voor een multirole kist dus, zal het echt wel overleven. maar het zal geen air-superiority kist zijn die kisten met bvb thrust vectoring eruit gaat manoeuvreren en die voor 'het vak' gemaakt zijn zoals de Typhoon, F-22 en SU-35. Is de F-35 ook  niet voor ontworpen dus in die zin ook geen probleem wat mij betreft. Als er maar wel ontwerpen naast komen te staan die daar wel voor ontworpen en geschikt zijn.

Die hele manoeuvreerbaarheid is ook helemaal niet zo interessant meer, wat nu telt is wie er het eerst gezien gaat worden en wie het langst onzichtbaar blijft en ik weet wel wie de beste kaarten in handen heeft vwb sensorpakket en low visibility (stealth).

Maar ja, nu krijgen we weer verhalen over oa Vietnam wsl...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Nikehercules op 08/12/2018 | 17:07 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 07/12/2018 | 17:18 uur
Diverse ervaringen hebben inmiddels uitgewezen dat de F-35 op air-to-air gebied (WVR en BVR) net zo goed is als F-16 en legacy Hornet.

1V1 en BVR hebben de F-16 en Hornet geen kans tegen de F-35, geen. Onbegrijpelijk dat dat nog steeds ter discussie wordt gesteld.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 08/12/2018 | 17:49 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 07/12/2018 | 20:24 uur
Maar ja, nu krijgen we weer verhalen over oa Vietnam wsl...

^^
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/12/2018 | 17:50 uur
Citaat van: Nikehercules op 08/12/2018 | 17:07 uur
1V1 en BVR hebben de F-16 en Hornet geen kans tegen de F-35, geen. Onbegrijpelijk dat dat nog steeds ter discussie wordt gesteld.

Velen halen nog steeds dat voorbeeld aan van F-16D vs F-35A. De F-35A vloog op dat moment wel met een hoop beperkingen. Vervolgens stelden velen dat de F-35A qua air-to-air slecht is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 08/12/2018 | 19:40 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 07/12/2018 | 20:24 uur
Die hele manoeuvreerbaarheid is ook helemaal niet zo interessant meer, wat nu telt is wie er het eerst gezien gaat worden en wie het langst onzichtbaar blijft en ik weet wel wie de beste kaarten in handen heeft vwb sensorpakket en low visibility (stealth).

Maar ja, nu krijgen we weer verhalen over oa Vietnam wsl...
Vietnam ?  Welnee, kom we gaan naar de "turkey shoot" boven de Marianen, in de Filippijnse Zee,  in WO 2.  Driehonderd vijfenzeventig (375) kisten van de Japanse marine werden neergeschoten, tegenover slechts 41 verloren kisten van de US Navy.  Dit kwam niet omdat de Amerikaanse jachtvliegtuigen en hun vliegers op individueel, sectie of squadron niveau zo superieur waren.  Maar omdat de Yanks in die slag ten opzichte van de Jap beschikten over een superieur command, control en intell dominantie.
In grote lijnen, hetzelfde deed zich voor in de lucht-oorlog boven de Be'ka vallei begin jaren 80, tussen Israel en Syrie.

Toen de eerste F-15A Eagle's met hun zeer goede APG-63 radar, betere IFF, AIM-7F Sparrows en all-aspect AIM-9Lima's op Soesterberg kwamen, bleek dat al qua WVR en BVR een hele grote stap voorwaarts ten opzichte van de F-4D's en -E's met hun veel minder betrouwbare, veel beperktere AIM-9 head-on only Sidewinders.   En AIM-7 Sparrows die toen niet eens tegen lager vliegende tegenstanders konden worden ingezet, want dan hadden de radars van de F-4D & E teveel last van grond-clutter.
Boven Vietnam had men nog niet de E-3A Sentry, nu wel.   Dit type krijgt nooit veel aandacht, maar bijvoorbeeld o.a. in de Golfoorlog van 1991 speelde de E-3 Sentry een cruciale rol !  Idem dito voor de Israelische E-2 Hawkeye's tijdens de slag om de Be'ak vallei.   Want kan niet alleen op lange afstand detecteren, volgen, maar ook identificeren of je een vriendje of vijand bent.

Die F-15 Eagle moest vervangen worden door het Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF) programma.
De ATF kreeg niet alleen een veel betere active phased array AESA radar, maar daarnaast ook een passief 360 graden rondom 'luisterend' radarstraling peil apparaat (ALR-94).
De F-22A kan net als de modernere F-15 varianten op actieve radar wijze bepalen of dat echo op zeg 70 km afstand een F-16 of een MiG-29 of Sukhoi-27 is.
Het ALR-94 speelt een even, of waarschijnlijk een belangrijkere rol dan de actief uitzendende AESA radar.  Door 360 graden rondom passief tot op een afstand van ca. 465 km radar contacten te kunnen opsporen, volgen, lokaliseren en te identificeren.  Dus je hoeft een tegenstander niet meer noodzakelijkerwijs 'aan te stralen', wat alleen maar je positie verraad en je mogelijkheden tot manoeuvreren beperken.
Die vaardigheden komen ook goed van pas in de Surpression of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD) taak.  Dus luchtdoel artilleristen kunnen bij wijze van spreken op 5 december beter nog meer bidden voor hun beschermheilige Santa Barbara.  ;D
De verschillende info uit off-board en on-board sensoren worden in de F-22A en F-35 ook nog eens gefuseerd tot een groot beeld in een Network Centric Warfare, beter gezegd Network Enabled Capabilities stelsel.

Eind jaren 90, besloten India, China, Maleisie en Indonesia tot aanschaf van Su-27 - Su-30 Flankers.
In Australia gilden verscheidene individuen en groepen dat hun F-18A/B Hornets inferieur waren tegenover de Flanker familie.
Op 1 vs 1 niveau is de Flanker inderdaad superieur qua snelheid, acceleratie en wendbaarheid.
De Aussie luchtmacht had de kans om haar oude F-111 Aardvark's te vervangen door de F-15E Strike Eagle.
Een uitmuntend jachtbommenwerper.  En haal je de Conformal Fuel Tanks van haar romp-flanken dan heb je een uitstekende air superiority jager, die kinetisch wat beter is dan de Flanker familie.

Die F-15 Eagle's kwamen er nooit.
De F-18A/B's kregen een betere radar, betere EOV/ ECM; de AIM-7F Sparrow werd ingeruild voor de AIM-120B (AMRAAM project).  De oude AIM-9Lima werd toen al vervangen door de bijna-BVR infrarood geleide ASRAAM in combi met een Helmet Mounted Display.  Er kwam ook een 20 kg zwaar radarstraling lokalisatie apparaat in de F-18A/B+ HUG.
Hierdoor kon deze opgewaardeerde F-18 over 120 graden van de frontale sector, ook over circa 66 % van de SEAD capaciteiten van de aloude F-4G Wild Weasel beschikken.
En deze radar peiler had ook zijn taken in de passieve BVR inzet tegen mogelijke Flankers.

Het is totaal niet 'sexy', maar Australia investeerde ook in een Jindalee Over The Horizon radar, met een maximum bereik van zo een 3.500 km.
Daarnaast kwamen er 6 E-7A Wedgetail Airborne Early Warning & Control (AEW&C/ AWACS) kisten met een Multi-role AESA en komen er 5 SIGINT / ELINT (signal & elektronic intell) kisten gebaseerd op de Gulfstream G550 lange-afstand zakenjet.
Maken allemaal deel uit van een geïntegreerd, genetwerkt Command, Control, Computers en Intel systeem.  Dat qua vaardigheden alleen geëvenaard wordt door dat van bondgenoot Singapore.

De YF-23 had tegenover de YF-22 betere hoge snelheid (supercruise) prestaties, was iets minder wendbaar dan de YF-22.  Maar men had wel meer werk gemaakt van de Low Observable (LO) capaciteiten gezien o.a. de constructie van de uitlaten.  De YF-22 en F-22A kan men ruwweg beschouwen als een evolutie op de F-15 Eagle, maar dan in een LO verpakking.  Toen het ATF project begon in de jaren 70, had men helemaal geen LO specificaties, dat kwam plotseling pas in 1985.
De focus lag oorspronkelijk nog bij supercruise vaardigheden.  Hebben kisten zoals de F-16 en de Euro-canards een interne fuel fraction (interne peut voorraad / (intern peut gewicht + leeggewicht)) van rond de 26 %.  Een supercruiser moet een minimale fuel fraction hebben van 35 %.   Dus dat betekend een grotere / ruimere en dus zwaardere kist.
Komen daar ook nog LO specificaties bij, die nadelige gevolgen voor aërodynamica, dus meer totale weerstand en honderden kilo's aan Radar Absorbent Material.
Dan hebben de ontwerpers er een aantal uitdagingen bij.
In het ATF project, ging men na invoering van de LO vaardigheden de oorspronkelijke ontwerpen verkleinen, om het gewicht binnen de perken te houden ten behoeve van een goede wendbaarheid.
Maar dit had weer negatieve gevolgen voor de supercruise mogelijkheden en het bereik.

Feit is dat het belang van BVR groeit ten opzichte van Within Visual Range (WVR).
Een beetje ironisch: bij de artist impression's van de F-22A / F-15C en F-18E/F / F-14 Tomcat opvolgers zien we vaak configuraties zoals de YF-23 eruit zag.
De 'tektonische' geo-politieke verschuivingen van de Atlantische Oceaan naar de Indische Oceaan en de Westelijke Pacific vereisen een groot bereik, welke ten koste gaat van de wendbaarheid.
Ik denk dat een 'bakbeest' zoals de lange en grote Chinese J-20 daarin een wegwijzer is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/12/2018 | 20:18 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 08/12/2018 | 19:40 uur
Toen de eerste F-15A Eagle's met hun zeer goede APG-63 radar, betere IFF, AIM-7F Sparrows en all-aspect AIM-9Lima's op Soesterberg kwamen, bleek dat al qua WVR en BVR een hele grote stap voorwaarts ten opzichte van de F-4D's en -E's met hun veel minder betrouwbare, veel beperktere AIM-9 head-on only Sidewinders.   En AIM-7 Sparrows die toen niet eens tegen lager vliegende tegenstanders konden worden ingezet, want dan hadden de radars van de F-4D & E teveel last van grond-clutter.

Het was zelfs zo erg dat de USAF in 1967 de F-4 squadrons in Zuid-Oost Azië liet voorzien van de AIM-4D Falcon als AIM-9B vervanger (USN/USMC gebruikten toen de betere AIM-9D en de AIM-9G was net nieuw). Dat hadden ze beter niet kunnen doen. De USAF verving vervolgens de AIM-4D Falcon met de AIM-9E en uiteindelijk de AIM-9J in 1972.

Citaat van: Poleme op 08/12/2018 | 19:40 uur
Eind jaren 90, besloten India, China, Maleisie en Indonesia tot aanschaf van Su-27 - Su-30 Flankers.
In Australia gilden verscheidene individuen en groepen dat hun F-18A/B Hornets inferieur waren tegenover de Flanker familie.
Op 1 vs 1 niveau is de Flanker inderdaad superieur qua snelheid, acceleratie en wendbaarheid.
De Aussie luchtmacht had de kans om haar oude F-111 Aardvark's te vervangen door de F-15E Strike Eagle.
Een uitmuntend jachtbommenwerper.  En haal je de Conformal Fuel Tanks van haar romp-flanken dan heb je een uitstekende air superiority jager, die kinetisch wat beter is dan de Flanker familie.

Die F-15 Eagle's kwamen er nooit.
De F-18A/B's kregen een betere radar, betere EOV/ ECM; de AIM-7F Sparrow werd ingeruild voor de AIM-120B (AMRAAM project).  De oude AIM-9Lima werd toen al vervangen door de bijna-BVR infrarood geleide ASRAAM in combi met een Helmet Mounted Display.  Er kwam ook een 20 kg zwaar radarstraling lokalisatie apparaat in de F-18A/B+ HUG.
Hierdoor kon deze opgewaardeerde F-18 over 120 graden van de frontale sector, ook over circa 66 % van de SEAD capaciteiten van de aloude F-4G Wild Weasel beschikken.
En deze radar peiler had ook zijn taken in de passieve BVR inzet tegen mogelijke Flankers.

Toen de RAAF midden jaren 80 de Hornet kreeg, kregen zij direct de beschikking over de AIM-7M (introductie 1982) en AIM-9M (introductie 1982). Wel vreemd dat het hier in Europa zo lang duurde voordat de AIM-9M kwam.

http://www.australiandefence.com.au/C4E950A0-F806-11DD-8DFE0050568C22C9
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/12/2018 | 20:22 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 08/12/2018 | 19:40 uur
Ik denk dat een 'bakbeest' zoals de lange en grote Chinese J-20 daarin een wegwijzer is.

Na verluid wordt de FA/XX (de opvolger van de F18E/F van de USN) groter dan de F14A.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/12/2018 | 20:25 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/12/2018 | 20:22 uur
Na verluid wordt de FA/XX (de opvolger van de F18E/F van de USN) groter dan de F14A.

Als het maar niet zo groot als de (R)A-5 Vigilante wordt  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 08/12/2018 | 22:00 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 08/12/2018 | 19:40 uur

Die F-15 Eagle moest vervangen worden door het Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF) programma.
De ATF kreeg niet alleen een veel betere active phased array AESA radar, maar daarnaast ook een passief 360 graden rondom 'luisterend' radarstraling peil apparaat (ALR-94).
De F-22A kan net als de modernere F-15 varianten op actieve radar wijze bepalen of dat echo op zeg 70 km afstand een F-16 of een MiG-29 of Sukhoi-27 is.
Het ALR-94 speelt een even, of waarschijnlijk een belangrijkere rol dan de actief uitzendende AESA radar.  Door 360 graden rondom passief tot op een afstand van ca. 465 km radar contacten te kunnen opsporen, volgen, lokaliseren en te identificeren.  Dus je hoeft een tegenstander niet meer noodzakelijkerwijs 'aan te stralen', wat alleen maar je positie verraad en je mogelijkheden tot manoeuvreren beperken.

Hier maak je een denkfout, de ALR kan in de lucht een richting bepalen, geen afstand. Het systeem werkt wel samen met de AESA radar die door de ALR in de juiste richting gezet wordt en daardoor maar een hele korte smalle puls nodig heeft om de afstand te bepalen. Wat ook een mogelijkheid is is om mbv de link-16 met meerdere toestellen en de verschillende ALR's te trianguleren om zo een relatief grove afstand te bepalen, dit kun je eventueel ook alleen doen door grote bochten te gaan trekken en daarmee te trianguleren onder verschillende hoeken maar dat bljift een hele grove methode, daar krijg je geen voldoende nauwkeurige gegevens mee waarop je kunt vuren. Daarbij ziet de ALR niet wat voor toestel het is maar ziet de radarkarakteristieken en adhv die gegevens kun je een inschatting maken welke radar het is en in welk toestel daar bij kan horen.

Citaat
Die vaardigheden komen ook goed van pas in de Surpression of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD) taak.  Dus luchtdoel artilleristen kunnen bij wijze van spreken op 5 december beter nog meer bidden voor hun beschermheilige Santa Barbara.  ;D
De verschillende info uit off-board en on-board sensoren worden in de F-22A en F-35 ook nog eens gefuseerd tot een groot beeld in een Network Centric Warfare, beter gezegd Network Enabled Capabilities stelsel.

Barbara is overigens 4 december en voor vnl. de artilleristen, mijnwerkers, EOD en genisten maar dat terzijde.

En ja, op het moment dat systemen op de grond staan kun je wel redelijk nauwkeurig een afstand bepalen aangezien het aardoppervlak het nulpunt is. Verder kan een systeem niet weg staan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 10/12/2018 | 01:44 uur
Su-57 Jets will be Equipped with Hypersonic Missiles Similar to Kinzhal

MOSCOW/TASS/. Russia's fifth-generation jet fighter Su-57 will be equipped with hypersonic missiles with characteristics similar to that of the Kinzhal missile, a source in the aircraft industry told TASS on Thursday.

"In accordance with Russia's State Armament Program for 2018-2027, Su-57 jet fighters will be equipped with hypersonic missiles. The jet fighters will receive missiles with characteristics similar to that of the Kinzhal missiles, but with inter-body placement and smaller size," the source said.

The source did not provide details on specific characteristics of the new missiles or clarifications on when they will be tried.

No official confirmation of this information was obtained by TASS.

Russian Aerospace Defense Forces' MiG-31K jet fighters are equipped with Kinzhal hypersonic missiles. Kinzhal missiles are practically impossible to detect with moden air defense systems. Their range exceeds 2,000 km.

According to open sources, the Kinzhal missile was designed on the basis of Iskander ground-based missile defense systems.

[Source: TASS.com ]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 10/12/2018 | 10:50 uur
Wordt een grote banaan voor een fighter.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/12/2018 | 11:05 uur
Citaat van: TASS op 10/12/2018 | 01:44 uur
Su-57 Jets will be Equipped with Hypersonic Missiles Similar to Kinzhal

"In accordance with Russia's State Armament Program for 2018-2027, Su-57 jet fighters will be equipped with hypersonic missiles. The jet fighters will receive missiles with characteristics similar to that of the Kinzhal missiles, but with inter-body placement and smaller size," the source said.

[Source: TASS.com ]

Het wordt kleiner en het past intern. Nou, ben benieuwd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/12/2018 | 11:19 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 10/12/2018 | 11:05 uur
Het wordt kleiner en het past intern. Nou, ben benieuwd.

precies !, om een Kh-47M2 Kinzhal (zie hieronder op de foto onder een Mig-31) te verkleinen en dan intern mee te kunnen nemen, zal er heel veel aangepast moeten worden. Dan spreek je over een nieuw type raket en de prestaties zullen sterk afnemen. Is dan niet meer te vergelijken met een Kinzhal. 

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/2018_Moscow_Victory_Day_Parade_66.jpg/1200px-2018_Moscow_Victory_Day_Parade_66.jpg)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 10/12/2018 | 12:54 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 10/12/2018 | 01:44 uur
According to open sources, the Kinzhal missile was designed on the basis of Iskander ground-based missile defense systems.

Jaja... Goed gedaan TASS...

Overigens in dit topic (https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/index.php?topic=11688.msg416483#msg416483) is er eerder dit jaar nog een filmpje geplaatst. Anyway, het is en blijft een gemodde Iskander en ik verwacht er vrij weinig van.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/12/2018 | 17:52 uur
En weer een operationele Meteor gebruiker erbij.

Typhoons launch with new missile

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/typhoons-launch-with-new-missile
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/12/2018 | 12:09 uur
Japan's potential buy of 100 more F-35s would have big international significance

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/12/10/japans-potential-buy-of-100-more-f-35s-would-have-big-international-significance/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/12/2018 | 15:30 uur
New capabilities demonstrated at 'Point Blank' exercise

https://www.janes.com/article/85122/new-capabilities-demonstrated-at-point-blank-exercise
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/12/2018 | 09:33 uur
F-35A Down Under  8) En Canada heeft straks een paar Australische afdankertjes  :angel:

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/12/2018 | 11:16 uur
Meer duidelijkheid over de Japanse F-35 intenties. 105 stuks bovenop de 42 F-35A's en de verdeling is 63 x F-35A en 42x F-35B.

Japan gov't looking to buy 105 more F-35 stealth fighters

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20181213/p2a/00m/0na/019000c

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/12/2018 | 11:41 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/12/2018 | 11:16 uur
Meer duidelijkheid over de Japanse F-35 intenties. 105 stuks bovenop de 42 F-35A's en de verdeling is 63 x F-35A en 42x F-35B.


En wordt daarmee. voorlopig, naast de VS de grootste gebruiker. Ik ben benieuwd wat dit voor Nederland, als partnerland, extra oplevert.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/12/2018 | 11:54 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/12/2018 | 11:41 uur
En wordt daarmee. voorlopig, naast de VS de grootste gebruiker. Ik ben benieuwd wat dit voor Nederland, als partnerland, extra oplevert.

Weet alleen dat partner tler 1 landen (VS/VK) extra verdienen op afzet. Als dat ook voor partner tier 2 landen geldt, dan is dat natuurlijk mooi meegenomen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/12/2018 | 21:51 uur
Leonardo solves overheating issue with internal F-35 training system

https://www.janes.com/article/85174/leonardo-solves-overheating-issue-with-internal-f-35-training-system
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/12/2018 | 10:00 uur
Artikel over de PCA (Penetrating Counter Air).

Budget watchdog warns this fighter could cost three times that of the F-35

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/12/14/budget-watchdogs-warn-of-expensive-price-tag-for-next-air-force-fighter/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 15/12/2018 | 11:49 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 15/12/2018 | 10:00 uur
Artikel over de PCA (Penetrating Counter Air).

Budget watchdog warns this fighter could cost three times that of the F-35

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/12/14/budget-watchdogs-warn-of-expensive-price-tag-for-next-air-force-fighter/

3x de prijs van een F-35 maar wel een dikke jet volgens de artist impressie  ;D Maar voor dit bedrag mag de US weg blijven uit het Tempest project :silent:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/12/2018 | 12:31 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 15/12/2018 | 11:49 uur
3x de prijs van een F-35 maar wel een dikke jet volgens de artist impressie  ;D Maar voor dit bedrag mag de US weg blijven uit het Tempest project :silent:

Wees niet verbaasd Tempest en/of FCAS in dezelfde prijs categorie gaan vallen...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 15/12/2018 | 12:53 uur
Nou er is toch wel heel veel geleerd van het F-35 project denk ik, daarnaast zijn dit Britten en geen Amerikanen.
Er is volgens mij geen programma wat de Amerikanen hebben geëindigd zonder budget overschrijding. Niet dat de Britten hier heer en meester in zijn maar er is verschil tussen hun mentaliteit en zaken doen.

Als het ding ook zo duur wordt dat niemand het kan betalen wordt het een hele grote kostenpost.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/12/2018 | 12:53 uur
De eerste F-35 vervolgorder van Japan. Deze tweede batch zal volgens het artikel uit 27 x F-35A en 18 x F-35B bestaan.

Japan to buy more U.S.-made stealth jets, radar to counter China, Russia

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-defence/japan-bolsters-military-to-counter-china-russia-in-east-asia-idUSKBN1OH05Z
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/12/2018 | 19:10 uur
Niets is zo wispelturig als politiek.

Italian government praise for F-35 shows early doubts waning

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2018/12/20/italian-government-praise-for-f-35-shows-early-doubts-waning/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Socialflow+DFN
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 21/12/2018 | 09:54 uur
F-35 Block IV will have improved maritime strike capability

Joint Strike Fighter Program Executive Officer Vice Adm. Mat Winter said in an interview with Air Force Magazine that the Block IV version of the F-35 will have improved maritime strike capability.

This will add a fifth "mission thread" to the four missions, which are: air superiority, suppression and destruction of enemy air defenses, close air support, and strategic attack of key targets.

Winter stated that the Long-Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM) will not be included in this Block IV configuration.

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2018/December%202018/Updated-F-35-Will-Get-Maritime-Strike-Capability.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 21/12/2018 | 09:56 uur
Lockheed Martin gets contract to upgrade 84 HAF F-16s to V-configuration

Lockheed Martin has secured a $996 million contract to upgrade 84 of Greece's F-16 aircraft to the V-configuration. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas; and Athens, Greece, and is expected to be completed by June 30, 2027.

https://dod.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract-View/Article/1719367/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/12/2018 | 10:17 uur
Citaat van: Air Force Magazine op 21/12/2018 | 09:54 uur
F-35 Block IV will have improved maritime strike capability

Joint Strike Fighter Program Executive Officer Vice Adm. Mat Winter said in an interview with Air Force Magazine that the Block IV version of the F-35 will have improved maritime strike capability.

This will add a fifth "mission thread" to the four missions, which are: air superiority, suppression and destruction of enemy air defenses, close air support, and strategic attack of key targets.

Winter stated that the Long-Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM) will not be included in this Block IV configuration.

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2018/December%202018/Updated-F-35-Will-Get-Maritime-Strike-Capability.aspx

Voor Noorwegen en misschien Australië is Block 4 voor JSM gebruik belangrijk. Hopelijk wordt LRASM gebruik in een later stadium wel mogelijk. Geeft toch meer opties.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 21/12/2018 | 12:02 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 21/12/2018 | 10:17 uur
Voor Noorwegen en misschien Australië is Block 4 voor JSM gebruik belangrijk. Hopelijk wordt LRASM gebruik in een later stadium wel mogelijk. Geeft toch meer opties.

De JSM kan altijd in een 2tal intern gedragen worden met onder de vleugels nog 4 LRASM's of 2 JSM's + 2 LRASM's.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/12/2018 | 12:04 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 21/12/2018 | 12:02 uur
De JSM kan altijd in een 2tal intern gedragen worden met onder de vleugels nog 4 LRASM's of 2 JSM's + 2 LRASM's.

Dat kan inderdaad, maar dan zit je wel met Block 5 of nog later.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 21/12/2018 | 12:22 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 21/12/2018 | 12:04 uur
Dat kan inderdaad, maar dan zit je wel met Block 5 of nog later.

Wanneer moet de block 5 er bij komen? Oh en volgens de USN kan de LRASM ''waarschijnlijk'' ook intern.
De KLU heeft voorlopig toch geen interesse in het maritieme domein dus die hebben daar geen haast bij maar misschien moeten ze in de toekomst wel dit mee nemen in hun F-35.

Bron: Het artikel val Air Force Magazine

Citaat
Although the F-35 has had fit checks of LRASM externally and can probably carry the weapon internally, the Navy's threshold munition for the mission is the AGM-154 Joint Stand-Off Weapon, or JSOW, he said, noting that LRASM may be added later.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/12/2018 | 12:47 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 21/12/2018 | 12:22 uur
Wanneer moet de block 5 er bij komen? Oh en volgens de USN kan de LRASM ''waarschijnlijk'' ook intern.
De KLU heeft voorlopig toch geen interesse in het maritieme domein dus die hebben daar geen haast bij maar misschien moeten ze in de toekomst wel dit mee nemen in hun F-35.

Bron: Het artikel val Air Force Magazine

Block 4 bestaat al uit verschillende stappen en ik verwacht Block 5 pas in tweede helft jaren 20.

Men is bezig om de weapon bays anders in te richten. Dat moet o.a. voor 6 x AIM-120 zorgen. Als dat ook LRASM intern dragen mogelijk zou maken, dan is dat natuurlijk goed. De interne weapon stations 4 en 8 van de F-35A/C kunnen immers elk 2500 lbs. dragen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 21/12/2018 | 12:59 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 21/12/2018 | 12:47 uur
Block 4 bestaat al uit verschillende stappen en ik verwacht Block 5 pas in tweede helft jaren 20.

Men is bezig om de weapon bays anders in te richten. Dat moet o.a. voor 6 x AIM-120 zorgen. Als dat ook LRASM intern dragen mogelijk zou maken, dan is dat natuurlijk goed. De interne weapon stations 4 en 8 van de F-35A/C kunnen immers elk 2500 lbs. dragen.

We gaan het zien  ;D Ik verwacht geen maritieme inzet van onze KLU, ze houden niet van water bij de KLU.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/12/2018 | 13:01 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 21/12/2018 | 12:59 uur
We gaan het zien  ;D Ik verwacht geen maritieme inzet van onze KLU, ze houden niet van water bij de KLU.

De KLu heeft anders al hun handen vol aan de 4 in het artikel genoemde missies.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 21/12/2018 | 13:06 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 21/12/2018 | 13:01 uur
De KLu heeft anders al hun handen vol aan de 4 in het artikel genoemde missies.

Maar we hebben nog de MLD  :angel: Daar past het 4e F-35 Squadron ook nog wel in B of C variant  :dead:
Nee de MLD heeft er niks aan en is niet haalbaar, wel leuk natuurlijk voor de heb maar we kunnen er niks mee zonder LHD of carrier en die komen er (waarschijnlijk) niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 21/12/2018 | 15:32 uur
Ik verwacht dat de MLD zal terugkomen, in een drone - vorm. Het is logisch om patrouilles ipv met een duur vliegtuig wat niets meer doet dan zoeken naar signalen en aangrijpen met een countermeasure te vervangen door een drone die dit ook kan. Enorm effectief. Zal nog wel even duren maar die ontwikkelingen gaan heel snel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 21/12/2018 | 15:59 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 21/12/2018 | 15:32 uur
Ik verwacht dat de MLD zal terugkomen, in een drone - vorm. Het is logisch om patrouilles ipv met een duur vliegtuig wat niets meer doet dan zoeken naar signalen en aangrijpen met een countermeasure te vervangen door een drone die dit ook kan. Enorm effectief. Zal nog wel even duren maar die ontwikkelingen gaan heel snel.
Weet ik niet...volgens mij heb je met bijvoorbeeld een Poseidon of Sea Hercules veel meer mogelijkheden.

Ik ben zeker voor de terugkeer van de MLD ...het liefst zou ik Poseidon of Sea-Hercules zien...maar deze zijn peperduur.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 21/12/2018 | 17:55 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 21/12/2018 | 15:59 uur
Weet ik niet...volgens mij heb je met bijvoorbeeld een Poseidon of Sea Hercules veel meer mogelijkheden.

Ik ben zeker voor de terugkeer van de MLD ...het liefst zou ik Poseidon of Sea-Hercules zien...maar deze zijn peperduur.

zoals welke? Je kunt een drone straks ook een torpedo en boeien en noem het maar op meegeven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/12/2018 | 21:14 uur
J-15D has reportedly begun operational testing for PLANAF (Chinese tegenhanger van EA-18G Growler)

https://www.janes.com/article/85404/j-15d-has-reportedly-begun-operational-testing-for-planaf

Saab receives supplemental contract for new-build Gripen Es

https://www.janes.com/article/85388/saab-receives-supplemental-contract-for-new-build-gripen-es
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 21/12/2018 | 23:48 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 21/12/2018 | 17:55 uur
zoals welke? Je kunt een drone straks ook een torpedo en boeien en noem het maar op meegeven.
Er zullen ongetwijfeld veel technische ontwikkelingen zijn en nog komen, maar of je nou een drone zult ontwikkelen die ook in zwaar weer kan uitvliegen én waarvan de datalink van dusdanige hoge kwaliteit is dat die ook actief blijft in een sneeuwstorm of windkracht 12 storm op zee? Ik heb daar een hard hoofd in. En autonome wapeninzet door een drone met AI zie ik ook niet binnen afzienbare tijd gebeuren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 22/12/2018 | 01:03 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 21/12/2018 | 15:32 uur
Ik verwacht dat de MLD zal terugkomen, in een drone - vorm. Het is logisch om patrouilles ipv met een duur vliegtuig wat niets meer doet dan zoeken naar signalen en aangrijpen met een countermeasure te vervangen door een drone die dit ook kan. Enorm effectief. Zal nog wel even duren maar die ontwikkelingen gaan heel snel.

De eerste generatie moet nog wel ondersteund worden door die dure vliegtuigen maar wel in kleinere aantallen dan we hadden met de P-3 Orions. Als je kijk bij Australië hebben die hun 15 Orions vervangen door 11 P-8's en 6 MQ-4C Tritons. Simpel weg gezegd voor elke drone zijn er 2 vliegtuigen, Voor de MLD zou ik dan zeggen 5 vliegtuigen + 3 a 4 drones.

De huidige generatie drones zijn ook nog geen wapendragers maar dat komt in de toekomst wel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/12/2018 | 10:29 uur
USAF's Next Budget Request Will Include New F-15X Advanced Eagle Fighter Jets: Report

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25636/usafs-next-budget-request-will-include-new-f-15x-advanced-eagle-fighter-jets-report
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/12/2018 | 10:36 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/12/2018 | 10:29 uur
USAF's Next Budget Request Will Include New F-15X Advanced Eagle Fighter Jets: Report


Nu ken ik veel argumenten om in een kleine luchtmacht niet 2 hoofdsystemen in te voeren maar....

Ik zou het niet vervelend vinden als we het aantal F35A maar beperkt zouden uitbreiden zodat we bij 2 operationele squadrons ook vredesverliezen onder controle hebben... Het derde, zo noodzakelijke  squadron mag van mij best bestaan uit de F15X.

Een eventueel 4e squadron zou dan ook voor de F15X kunnen zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/12/2018 | 10:40 uur
Citaat van: The Drive op 22/12/2018 | 10:29 uur
USAF's Next Budget Request Will Include New F-15X Advanced Eagle Fighter Jets: Report

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25636/usafs-next-budget-request-will-include-new-f-15x-advanced-eagle-fighter-jets-report

Zie het eerder gebeuren dat de Japanse F-15J Kai wordt gemoderniseerd met o.a. F-15X technologie dan dat de USAF deze in dienst zal nemen. Doet de USAF dat wel, dan verbreken ze een record van meer dan 32 jaar (laatst geleverde F-15C is van 1986).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 22/12/2018 | 10:57 uur
The reality is that for many tasks, including the homeland air sovereignty operations, the low-observable features of an F-35 are useless. There are many combat missions that actually benefit from a heavy fighter that can carry large stores over long ranges, as opposed to a stealth fighter with more limited payload and range capabilities. Israel seems to have come to this conclusion as well, incidentally. This is where the F-15X also comes into play for the USAF. Once again, read all about this aircraft and how it fits into the USAF's force structure in my past feature that unveiled it.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/12/2018 | 11:12 uur
Citaat van: The Drive op 22/12/2018 | 10:57 uur
The reality is that for many tasks, including the homeland air sovereignty operations, the low-observable features of an F-35 are useless. There are many combat missions that actually benefit from a heavy fighter that can carry large stores over long ranges, as opposed to a stealth fighter with more limited payload and range capabilities. Israel seems to have come to this conclusion as well, incidentally. This is where the F-15X also comes into play for the USAF. Once again, read all about this aircraft and how it fits into the USAF's force structure in my past feature that unveiled it.

Niet alleen USAF squadrons, maar ook diverse squadrons van de Air National Guard (ANG) zijn aangewezen als F-35A squadrons. Die zouden straks voor de homeland air sovereignty operations nutteloos zijn? Maar natuurlijk  :sick:

En weer dat gezeur over de limited payload in stealth mode. Men kan kiezen voor intern en extern. Op dit moment doet de USMC niet anders. de F-35B's aan boord van de USS Essex gebruiken hun bewapening intern en extern inclusief de gun pod.

https://www.dvidshub.net/image/4968026/uss-essex-2018-deployment
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 25/12/2018 | 11:38 uur
CitaatJapan wants to sell old F-15s to US to fund F-35 purchases

TOKYO -- The Japanese government is considering selling some F-15 jets to the U.S. to raise funds for purchases of cutting-edge F-35 stealth fighters, Nikkei has learned, with Washington in turn weighing the sale of those outdated planes to Southeast Asian countries.

Several Japanese officials have revealed that discussions are underway for what would be the nation's first sale of used defense equipment to the U.S. Tokyo sounded out Washington on the possibility of such a sale as part of negotiations to purchase 105 F-35 jets from the U.S. The two sides are trying to iron out such details as the number of F-15s to be sold and their prices.

By arranging such a sale with Washington, Tokyo hopes to quell public criticism of expanding defense spending amid efforts for fiscal consolidation. Turning to Washington would also help Japan, as it lacks experience in selling defense equipment to third countries.

Japan's roughly 200 F-15s form the core of the Air Self-Defense Force's air defense capabilities. About half the fleet has undergone modernizing overhauls, including updates to electronic equipment, but the 100 or so fighters being eyed for a sale are an older design that cannot receive the electronics upgrades. The government decided at a cabinet meeting last Tuesday to gradually swap these out for more capable F-35s.

The oldest of the F-15s were first deployed in the early 1980s. But even they can be kept in working condition if parts are replaced as needed.


Washington has told the Japanese side that it would consider selling the aircraft to nations with weak air forces. The arrangement would enable the U.S. to provide fighter jets to Southeast Asian nations at cut-rate prices as China expands its military presence in the South China Sea.

Japan's planned F-35 purchase was due in part to heavy pressure from U.S. President Donald Trump to narrow the wide bilateral trade imbalance by buying more American defense hardware. Tokyo hopes to appease Trump while using the F-15 sale to lower costs.

The Japanese government also judged that given its lack of experience in exporting defense equipment, it would be more prudent to work indirectly through the U.S., which has successfully sold arms across the globe, than to try to sell the fighters directly to a third country.

Japan barred exports of defense equipment for decades until 2014, when the cabinet laid out principles allowing them under certain conditions. It maintained a ban on exports to countries involved in armed conflict but permitted them when doing so contributes to Japanese security, for instance.

[Source: nikkei.com ]

Wie gaan hier voor aankloppen? ik ga uit van o.a. Indonesië, de Filipijnen. De kans voor deze landen om goedkoop goede fighter jets aan te kopen die ze normaal niet kunnen aankopen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/12/2018 | 11:41 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 25/12/2018 | 11:38 uur
Wie gaan hier voor aankloppen? ik ga uit van o.a. Indonesië, de Filipijnen. De kans voor deze landen om goedkoop goede fighter jets aan te kopen die ze normaal niet kunnen aankopen.

Aanschaf is misschien goedkoop, maar geldt dat ook voor F-15 Eagle onderhoud en onderdelen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 25/12/2018 | 11:46 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 25/12/2018 | 11:41 uur
Aanschaf is misschien goedkoop, maar geldt dat ook voor F-15 Eagle onderhoud en onderdelen?

Indonesië koopt er hooguit 8 a 12 stuks zoals ze bij alle jets doen, onderhoud komt later en word niet al te veel naar gekeken. Het gaat ze er alleen maar om dat ze zoveel mogelijk modern materiaal hebben. Dat het over 10 jaar allemaal aan de grond staat is een probleem voor dan.

De Filipijnen denken iets meer na over onderhoud maar ook die zullen er maar een handje vol overnemen, ze hebben geen echte fighter jets maar de Koreaanse T-50. Prima trainer jet of toestel voor vredes missies maar echte oorlog win je daar niet mee zonder ondersteuning van andere toestellen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/12/2018 | 12:13 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 25/12/2018 | 11:46 uur
Indonesië koopt er hooguit 8 a 12 stuks zoals ze bij alle jets doen, onderhoud komt later en word niet al te veel naar gekeken. Het gaat ze er alleen maar om dat ze zoveel mogelijk modern materiaal hebben. Dat het over 10 jaar allemaal aan de grond staat is een probleem voor dan.

De Filipijnen denken iets meer na over onderhoud maar ook die zullen er maar een handje vol overnemen, ze hebben geen echte fighter jets maar de Koreaanse T-50. Prima trainer jet of toestel voor vredes missies maar echte oorlog win je daar niet mee zonder ondersteuning van andere toestellen.

Eerst moet de VS goedkeuring geven voor doorverkoop. Het blijft een Amerikaans ontwerp, ondanks de Japanse assemblage. Maar wie weet. Straks gaan ze misschien wel als warme broodjes over de toonbank.

Saab probeert de Gripen C/D aan de Filipijnen te slijten. Met de MS20 upgrade is het voor hen misschien een goede aanbieding met doorgroeimogelijkheden. Thailand wil ook de MS20 upgrade.

https://www.janes.com/article/84868/update-rtaf-seeks-to-upgrade-gripen-combat-aircraft-to-ms20-configuration
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 25/12/2018 | 12:25 uur
Ik hoopte op een Gripen-succes binnen de NATO-leden in Europa.
Zoiets ware natuurlijk goed geweest voor SAAB en de Zweedse industrie in het algemeen, maar ik denk dat we nu echt op de bodem zitten met fighter-aantallen wanneer bv. de F-16's uitgefaseerd worden in de komende jaren... Een kleine 70 stuks voor de Benelux is echt niet om trots op te zijn.
Een tweede-lijns toestel ware wat mij betreft ook angewezen en de Gripen lijkt me daarvoor een goede kandidaat. Zou je kunnen inzetten waar nu ook de F-16 voor gebruikt wordt: bv. Jordanie om IS-doelen in Syrie aan te pakken. Zelfs voor de Air Policing in de Baltics.
Ik zou het echt jammer vinden mocht de Zweedse overheid opeens beslissen dat ze het zich niet langer kan veroorloven SAAB geld toe te schuiven voor ontwikkeling en aanschaf van nieuwe toestellen. Want dan zullen we echt aangewezen zijn op wat LM en/of Boeing, Dassault, BAe produceren...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 25/12/2018 | 12:28 uur
Amerikanen verkopen hun F-15's niet aan landen die met Rusland flirten, dus streep Indonesie er maar af.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 25/12/2018 | 12:30 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 25/12/2018 | 12:25 uur
Ik hoopte op een Gripen-succes binnen de NATO-leden in Europa.
Zoiets ware natuurlijk goed geweest voor SAAB en de Zweedse industrie in het algemeen, maar ik denk dat we nu echt op de bodem zitten met fighter-aantallen wanneer bv. de F-16's uitgefaseerd worden in de komende jaren... Een kleine 70 stuks voor de Benelux is echt niet om trots op te zijn.
Een tweede-lijns toestel ware wat mij betreft ook angewezen en de Gripen lijkt me daarvoor een goede kandidaat. Zou je kunnen inzetten waar nu ook de F-16 voor gebruikt wordt: bv. Jordanie om IS-doelen in Syrie aan te pakken. Zelfs voor de Air Policing in de Baltics.
Ik zou het echt jammer vinden mocht de Zweedse overheid opeens beslissen dat ze het zich niet langer kan veroorloven SAAB geld toe te schuiven voor ontwikkeling en aanschaf van nieuwe toestellen. Want dan zullen we echt aangewezen zijn op wat LM en/of Boeing, Dassault, BAe produceren...

70? 52+34+ = een kleine 90, maar nog te weinig akkoord, *edit, je hebt gelijk want er staat natuurlijk een gedeelte in de VS.
En de Gripen,nee, Gripen is oud.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/12/2018 | 13:28 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 25/12/2018 | 12:25 uur
Ik hoopte op een Gripen-succes binnen de NATO-leden in Europa.
Zoiets ware natuurlijk goed geweest voor SAAB en de Zweedse industrie in het algemeen, maar ik denk dat we nu echt op de bodem zitten met fighter-aantallen wanneer bv. de F-16's uitgefaseerd worden in de komende jaren...
Ik zou het echt jammer vinden mocht de Zweedse overheid opeens beslissen dat ze het zich niet langer kan veroorloven SAAB geld toe te schuiven voor ontwikkeling en aanschaf van nieuwe toestellen. Want dan zullen we echt aangewezen zijn op wat LM en/of Boeing, Dassault, BAe produceren...

Binnen de NAVO zijn het alleen Hongarije en Tsjechië. Daarom kijkt Saab vooral naar andere continenten. Brazilië zal als hub voor de Zuid-Amerikaanse markt gaan dienen en er wordt naar het verre Oosten gekeken. Naast de Filipijnen is ook Maleisië een mogelijke klant.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 25/12/2018 | 13:31 uur
Gripen is ondertussen al een gepasseerd station voor BEL (zeker met al de heis rond de F-35A) en, naar ik vermoed voor andere Europese NATO-lidstaten...
Mss dat er bij een paar oud-Joegoslavische deelstaten nog iets te rapen valt.
Of de Bulgaren en Roemenen... maar de lijken eventueel voor 2-de handse F-16's te gaan.
En natuurlijk ook de Hongaren en Tsjechen, huidige gebruikers van de Gripen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/12/2018 | 13:32 uur
Zweden heeft domweg om financiële reden geweigerd om Saab te ondersteunen met hun eigen voorkeur opvolger van de Gripen C/D, de FS2020.... Gemiste kans, die laatste was, na mijn overtuiging, wél een succes geworden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 25/12/2018 | 13:34 uur
De Gripen kan ook geleast worden dat doen Tsjechië en Hongarije ook.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/12/2018 | 13:38 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 25/12/2018 | 13:34 uur
De Gripen kan ook geleast worden dat doen Tsjechië en Hongarije ook.

Interim oplossingen totdat men over kan gaan naar een meer capabele oplossing.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/12/2018 | 13:47 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 25/12/2018 | 13:34 uur
De Gripen kan ook geleast worden dat doen Tsjechië en Hongarije ook.

Gripen leasing kan op dit moment alleen met bestaande Gripen C/D. Weet niet of dat straks ook met nieuw gebouwde Gripen C/D en Gripen E (Saab kan beide nieuw leveren) mogelijk is.

De leasing mogelijkheid lijkt mij alleen van toepassing voor de Oost-Europese landen als het om Europa gaat.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 25/12/2018 | 13:51 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/12/2018 | 13:32 uur
Zweden heeft domweg om financiële reden geweigerd om Saab te ondersteunen met hun eigen voorkeur opvolger van de Gripen C/D, de FS2020.... Gemiste kans, die laatste was, na mijn overtuiging, wél een succes geworden.
Yep... maar ook daar heeft men een beperkt budget... en Neutraliteit kostte veel geld...
Ze zijn nu ook op het punt gekomen waar ze dan toch US-materiaal beginnen aan te schaffen.

Vandaar dat het me ook zo sterk ergert wanneer politici lullen over een Europese Defensie maar hun eigen industrie kapotgemaakt hebben in de laatste paar decennia...
Dan maak je jezelf afhankelijk van import. 
En de enige Europese spelers hebben verzaakt aan een directe concurrent van de F-35A te werken... Mss ook omdat ze hoopten dat dat een faalproject ging worden. Ondertussen kunnen ze met lede ogen toekijken hoe LM nu de bestellingen binnenrijft... en ze hun Typhoon/Eurofighter T3 en Rafales nergens kunnen slijten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/12/2018 | 14:09 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 25/12/2018 | 13:51 uur
Vandaar dat het me ook zo sterk ergert wanneer politici lullen over een Europese Defensie maar hun eigen industrie kapotgemaakt hebben in de laatste paar decennia...
Dan maak je jezelf afhankelijk van import. 
En de enige Europese spelers hebben verzaakt aan een directe concurrent van de F-35A te werken... Mss ook omdat ze hoopten dat dat een faalproject ging worden. Ondertussen kunnen ze met lede ogen toekijken hoe LM nu de bestellingen binnenrijft... en ze hun Typhoon/Eurofighter T3 en Rafales nergens kunnen slijten.

Maar is dat vreemd als je weet hoe de Fransen de Rafale proberen te slijten en de Typhoon alleen interessant is als deze minimaal van Tranche 2 is? En er moet maar net vraag naar een tweemotorig type zijn.

Natuurlijk had Slowakije voor nieuwgebouwde Gripen C/D kunnen gaan, maar de F-16V is zo scherp qua prijs. Ook als de 4 oorspronkelijke F-16 EPAF landen wegvallen, dan nog is F-16 gebruik in Europa redelijk groot.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 25/12/2018 | 14:18 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 25/12/2018 | 14:09 uur
Maar is dat vreemd als je weet hoe de Fransen de Rafale proberen te slijten en de Typhoon alleen interessant is als deze minimaal van Tranche 2 is? En er moet maar net vraag naar een tweemotorig type zijn.
Zij borduren voort met updates en verbeteringen van de bestaande toestellen. Dassault kan natuurlijk ook niet blijven ontwikkelen wanneer er iedere keer slechts een beperkt aantal toestellen afgenomen worden door nagenoeg een en dezelfde klanten: Armée de l'air en de Aéronavale.
India is of wordt geen succes-story.
En in Brazilie is het ook niet gelukt. De Zweden hebben het daar goed aangepakt (en wat geluk gehad - en met nog meer geluk kunnen ze er mss nog de Sea Gripen verpatsen  :angel: )

Citaat van: Sparkplug op 25/12/2018 | 14:09 uurNatuurlijk had Slowakije voor nieuwgebouwde Gripen C/D kunnen gaan, maar de F-16V is zo scherp qua prijs. Ook als de 4 oorspronkelijke F-16 EPAF landen wegvallen, dan nog is F-16 gebruik in Europa redelijk groot.
De Amerikanen spelen het hard... zowel met nieuwe als tweedehandse (zelfs al die van NATO-partnerlanden komen).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/12/2018 | 14:37 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 25/12/2018 | 14:18 uur
Zij borduren voort met updates en verbeteringen van de bestaande toestellen. Dassault kan natuurlijk ook niet blijven ontwikkelen wanneer er iedere keer slechts een beperkt aantal toestellen afgenomen worden door nagenoeg een en dezelfde klanten: Armée de l'air en de Aéronavale.

En toch worden alle Rafales vanaf versie F1 opgewaardeerd naar versie F4 midden jaren 20. Iets dat bij Eurofighter alleen kan als er grof geld wordt gebruikt. Hopelijk wordt hiervan geleerd bij de opvolger van beide types.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 25/12/2018 | 14:42 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 25/12/2018 | 14:37 uur
En toch worden alle Rafales vanaf versie F1 opgewaardeerd naar versie F4 midden jaren 20. Iets dat bij Eurofighter alleen kan als er grof geld wordt gebruikt. Hopelijk wordt hiervan geleerd bij de opvolger van beide types.
Goed dat ze dat kunnen. Ik hoop dat de airframes het ook (nog economisch) waard zijn deze toestellen zo te opwaarderen.
Bij Eurofighter lijkt dat niet het geval te zijn, wat zeer jammer is en ook aangeeft hoe de politiek van de deelnemende landen de verkoop in de weg staat.
Ik hoop ook dat zowel de industrie als politici hiervan leren.

Me dunkt dat de Britten met hun Type-26 rete-geluk hebben dat ze daar wel successen boeken (bij zowel de Canadezen als de Australiers - en mss komen er nog een tweetal bij voor de Kiwi's, you never know)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/12/2018 | 14:53 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 25/12/2018 | 14:42 uur
Goed dat ze dat kunnen. Ik hoop dat de airframes het ook (nog economisch) waard zijn deze toestellen zo te opwaarderen.

Bij de Rafale werd daar al vanaf het begin rekening mee gehouden en de bouw voor de Fransen zelf blijft doorgaan. Hadden ze dat bij de F-15C/D generatie (incl. F-15J/DJ) ook gedaan, dan waren ze allemaal MSIP voorbereid en had Japan niet dat F-15J upgrade probleem (geen probleem voor Lockheed Martin ;D)

Edit. Ter verduidelijking. MSIP: Multi Stage Improvement Program.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/12/2018 | 21:44 uur
French naval fighter squadron completes transition to Rafale M (weer 3 actieve squadrons voor de Franse marine)

https://www.janes.com/article/85435/french-naval-fighter-squadron-completes-transition-to-rafale-m
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/01/2019 | 12:05 uur
Future Chinese aircraft carriers to be equipped with fighter jet FC-31

http://airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-defense-security-news/2019-news-aerospace-industry-air-force/january/4750-future-chinese-aircraft-carriers-to-be-equipped-with-fighter-jet-fc-31.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/01/2019 | 10:47 uur
Looking beyond the F-35: Penetrating Counter Air

https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/strike-air-combat/3371-looking-beyond-the-f-35-penetrating-counter-air
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/01/2019 | 11:03 uur
Citaat van: Defence Connect op 04/01/2019 | 10:47 uur
Looking beyond the F-35: Penetrating Counter Air

https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/strike-air-combat/3371-looking-beyond-the-f-35-penetrating-counter-air

Volgens het artikel zijn air dominance en air supremacy twee verschillende rollen, maar ik zie het verschil niet.

Ze waren wel technologisch al van air superiority (teen series fighters) naar air dominance (F-22) gegaan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/01/2019 | 12:03 uur
​KAI upbeat after Jakarta resumes K-FX/I-FX payments

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/kai-upbeat-after-jakarta-resumes-k-fxi-fx-payments-454793/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/01/2019 | 10:27 uur
Navy's F-35C on Track to Be Combat Ready Next Month

https://www.military.com/defensetech/2019/01/04/navys-f-35c-track-be-combat-ready-next-month.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/01/2019 | 10:42 uur
New-customer Typhoons Will Be the Most Advanced Yet

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2018-12-27/new-customer-typhoons-will-be-most-advanced-yet
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/01/2019 | 10:45 uur
U.S. Interest Grows as More J-20 Details Emerge

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2019-01-02/us-interest-grows-more-j-20-details-emerge
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 07/01/2019 | 21:32 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 04/01/2019 | 11:03 uur
Volgens het artikel zijn air dominance en air supremacy twee verschillende rollen, maar ik zie het verschil niet.

Ze waren wel technologisch al van air superiority (teen series fighters) naar air dominance (F-22) gegaan.
De US Air Force noemde haar F-15 Eagle tijdens de Koude Oorlog een "Air superiority fighter" = lucht-overwicht jachtvliegtuig.
Net na de Koude Oorlog, begin jaren 90, vond men deze term te agressief voor de toen vreedzame 'New World Order'.
Dus ging de US Air Force voor wat betreft de F-22A Raptor deze term vervangen door het subtielere "air dominance".

De term "air supremacy", in het Nederlands "lucht alleenheerschappij" is de overtreffende trap op "air superiority".
Concreet voorbeeld: tijdens de Golfoorlog van 1991 bereikte de Coalitie air supremacy / lucht-alleenheerschappij.
Omdat de Iraakse luchtmacht niets anders meer kon doen, dan op te stijgen om vervolgens zo snel mogelijk het hazepad te kiezen naar het Iraanse luchtruim.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/01/2019 | 21:50 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 07/01/2019 | 21:32 uur
De US Air Force noemde haar F-15 Eagle tijdens de Koude Oorlog een "Air superiority fighter" = lucht-overwicht jachtvliegtuig.
Net na de Koude Oorlog, begin jaren 90, vond men deze term te agressief voor de toen vreedzame 'New World Order'.
Dus ging de US Air Force voor wat betreft de F-22A Raptor deze term vervangen door het subtielere "air dominance".

De term "air supremacy", in het Nederlands "lucht alleenheerschappij" is de overtreffende trap op "air superiority".
Concreet voorbeeld: tijdens de Golfoorlog van 1991 bereikte de Coalitie air supremacy / lucht-alleenheerschappij.
Omdat de Iraakse luchtmacht niets anders meer kon doen, dan op te stijgen om vervolgens zo snel mogelijk het hazepad te kiezen naar het Iraanse luchtruim.

De overtreffende trap van air supremacy is duidelijk, maar wel verwarrend als ze in de VS alle drie begrippen nog steeds gebruiken.

Zie bijvoorbeeld de link naar een artikel van Air Force Magazine in reactie #3054. Daarin wordt air superiority als een van de rollen van de F-35 gebruikt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/01/2019 | 09:53 uur
Canada Could Be Flying Australia's Used F-18 Fighters This Summer

The Canadian government has completed a deal to purchase Australia's old F-18 fighter jets and the first of the 25 used jets should arrive this spring, the Department of National Defence confirms.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/australia-f-18-jets-deal-1.4966564
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/01/2019 | 10:04 uur
Citaat van: CBC op 09/01/2019 | 09:53 uur
Canada Could Be Flying Australia's Used F-18 Fighters This Summer

The Canadian government has completed a deal to purchase Australia's old F-18 fighter jets and the first of the 25 used jets should arrive this spring, the Department of National Defence confirms.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/australia-f-18-jets-deal-1.4966564

Deze 'versterking' blijft een lapmiddel. Hopelijk kunnen ze in Ottawa de knoop snel doorhakken. De RCAF heeft een echte Hornet vervanger nodig.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/01/2019 | 10:18 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/01/2019 | 10:04 uur
Deze 'versterking' blijft een lapmiddel. Hopelijk kunnen ze in Ottawa de knoop snel doorhakken. De RCAF heeft een echte Hornet vervanger nodig.

De vraag is of ze gelijktijdig hun marine vervangingen en de vervanger van hun F18 vloot kunnen/willen dragen...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/01/2019 | 10:24 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/01/2019 | 10:18 uur
De vraag is of ze gelijktijdig hun marine vervangingen en de vervanger van hun F18 vloot kunnen/willen dragen...

Ze wisten al lange tijd dat beide te maken krijgen met de nodige vervangingen. Het is al triest genoeg om RAAF afdankertjes nodig te hebben voor o.a. NORAD verplichtingen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/01/2019 | 11:02 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/01/2019 | 10:04 uur
Deze 'versterking' blijft een lapmiddel. Hopelijk kunnen ze in Ottawa de knoop snel doorhakken. De RCAF heeft een echte Hornet vervanger nodig.

Een lapmiddel ... ja en ook een "doekje tegen het bloeden" voor de bloedneus die is opgelopen in het gehele vervangingstraject.
Ik zie het ook meer als het gebaar naar de kiezers, van zie je wel we kopen niet zomaar F-35 aan, maar bekijken alles opnieuw en goed en eerlijk. En deze aankopen zijn "goedkope" tussenoplossing en later nemen we de definitieve keuze pas.

Dat uiteindelijk de belastingbetalers duurder uit zijn is bijzaak, maar de politiek praat zo de weg schoon.     
Uiteindelijk zal zeer waarschijnlijk gewoon de F-35A aangekocht worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/01/2019 | 11:07 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 09/01/2019 | 11:02 uur
Een lapmiddel ... ja en ook een "doekje tegen het bloeden" voor de bloedneus die is opgelopen in het gehele vervangingstraject.
Ik zie het ook meer als het gebaar naar de kiezers, van zie je wel we kopen niet zomaar F-35 aan, maar bekijken alles opnieuw en goed en eerlijk. En deze aankopen zijn "goedkope" tussenoplossing en later nemen we de definitieve keuze pas.

Dat uiteindelijk de belastingbetalers duurder uit zijn is bijzaak, maar de politiek praat zo de weg schoon.     
Uiteindelijk zal zeer waarschijnlijk gewoon de F-35A aangekocht worden.

Onder Trudeau is echter wel de vervangingskwantiteit omhoog gegaan van 65 naar 88. Wat een ironie als zijn bewind dan toch voor de F-35A kiest. Kijken hoe Trudeau daar dan mee weet weg te komen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/01/2019 | 12:24 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/01/2019 | 10:18 uur
De vraag is of ze gelijktijdig hun marine vervangingen en de vervanger van hun F18 vloot kunnen/willen dragen...

Canada Can Afford New Fighters or New Frigates — But Not Both At Once

The Trudeau government can't afford to buy ultra-modern warships and advanced warplanes at the same time, given the limits of federal finances, a new research paper argues.

The study, written for the University of Calgary's School of Public Policy, says that — contrary to the assurances offered in the government's defence policy — Ottawa will soon be forced into a series of tough, far-reaching choices about the structure and capabilities of the Canadian military.

Using the government's own figures, researcher Alex McColl concluded that the Liberals either will have to pour more money into their defence budget in the mid-2020s or scale back their ambitions by buying a less expensive fighter jet.

The reason, according to McColl, is that the bills for both new frigates and new fighters will come due at the same time.

"Not only will the CF-18 replacement program have to fight for funding against the general austerity and easy riding nature of Canadians, but it will also be running concurrently with the largest military procurement in Canadian history: the National Shipbuilding Strategy," he wrote.

During the 2015 election campaign, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau pledged Canada would not buy the F-35 stealth jet — that it would go with something cheaper and pour the savings into rebuilding the navy.

The way the defence policy figures roll out, McColl wrote, suggests the government is on track to do just that.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fighter-jets-frigates-procurement-calgary-1.4969031?cmp=rss
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 09/01/2019 | 12:53 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/01/2019 | 11:07 uur
Onder Trudeau is echter wel de vervangingskwantiteit omhoog gegaan van 65 naar 88. Wat een ironie als zijn bewind dan toch voor de F-35A kiest. Kijken hoe Trudeau daar dan mee weet weg te komen.

Hij komt er waarschijnlijk wel mee weg alleen kan het nog ff duren ik denk zelf dat na 2030 als het ff kan de vliegtuigen vervangen gaan worden en dan kan zomaar de F35 wederom gekozen worden maar eerst wil hij dus zijn marine weer op "nieuwe"poten zetten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/01/2019 | 13:02 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 09/01/2019 | 12:53 uur
Hij komt er waarschijnlijk wel mee weg alleen kan het nog ff duren ik denk zelf dat na 2030 als het ff kan de vliegtuigen vervangen gaan worden en dan kan zomaar de F35 wederom gekozen worden maar eerst wil hij dus zijn marine weer op "nieuwe"poten zetten.

Tegen die tijd zijn de meeste concurrenten van de F35 wel weggevallen, simpelweg omdat dan de productielijnen zijn gesloten en we aan de vooravond staan van de eerste 6e generatie modellen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/01/2019 | 13:10 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/01/2019 | 13:02 uur
Tegen die tijd zijn de meeste concurrenten van de F35 wel weggevallen, simpelweg omdat dan de productielijnen zijn gesloten en we aan de vooravond staan van de eerste 6e generatie modellen.

Maar is 6e generatie betaalbaar voor Canada en hoe lang kan Canada nog F-35 partner blijven zonder een keuze te hebben gemaakt?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/01/2019 | 13:17 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/01/2019 | 13:10 uur
Maar is 6e generatie betaalbaar voor Canada en hoe lang kan Canada nog F-35 partner blijven zonder een keuze te hebben gemaakt?

In beide gevallen een goede vraag....

De eerste indicatie over de PCA is dat deze aanzienlijk duurder wordt dan de F22A.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/01/2019 | 13:21 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/01/2019 | 13:10 uur
hoe lang kan Canada nog F-35 partner blijven zonder een keuze te hebben gemaakt?

Je kunt natuurlijk wel partner blijven, maar je bent zeer ongeloofwaardig als je na 10-15-20 jaar een concurrent vliegtuig gaat aanschaffen.
Het ligt voor de hand dat je voor de F-35 kiest als je partner wordt in de ontwikkeling. Zeker als Land zelf, je hele industrie, Defensie richt zicht dan op die keuze en wil dan zoveel mogelijk participeren in de ontwikkeling en het proces om de vruchten ervan te plukken.   
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 09/01/2019 | 19:35 uur
Canada..om je te schamen. F-35 partner..en dan deze toeren uit gaan halen.  Fransen.... :dead:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/01/2019 | 09:44 uur
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https://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/app-acq/amd-dp//air/images/timeline-en-01.png
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 10/01/2019 | 17:06 uur
Een modern, rijk en westers land dat nog tot 2031 met de legacy Hornet doorvliegt, om te huilen.

Best kans dat een paar US Marines Hornets het ook gaan halen, maar dat heeft andere oorzaken en dan gaat het om slechts 'een gedeelte' van de airpower van 'alleen maar' de Marines ipv de hele luchtmacht van een land.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/01/2019 | 17:45 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 10/01/2019 | 17:06 uur
Een modern, rijk en westers land dat nog tot 2031 met de legacy Hornet doorvliegt, om te huilen.

Best kans dat een paar US Marines Hornets het ook gaan halen, maar dat heeft andere oorzaken en dan gaat het om slechts 'een gedeelte' van de airpower van 'alleen maar' de Marines ipv de hele luchtmacht van een land.

Je zult maar 20 combat coded squadrons met Harrier II, F-35B en legacy Hornet hebben. Dan reken ik de VMFAT-501 en VMFAT-502 niet eens mee.

Zie pagina 23 van 192 van het 2018 Marine Aviation Plan voor de geplande transitie per squadron.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjz4piu0ePfAhXSblAKHVI_C34QFjAAegQICRAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aviation.marines.mil%2FPortals%2F11%2F2018%2520AvPlan%2520FINAL.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1ZUNuzVWFtMT67ms2sx6bC
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/01/2019 | 16:55 uur
UK declares IOC Land for F-35 force

https://www.janes.com/article/85642/uk-declares-ioc-land-for-f-35-force

Rafale deliveries hit target in 2018, says Dassault

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/rafale-deliveries-hit-target-in-2018-says-dassault-454919/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 12/01/2019 | 14:00 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 10/01/2019 | 17:45 uur
Je zult maar 20 combat coded squadrons met Harrier II, F-35B en legacy Hornet hebben. Dan reken ik de VMFAT-501 en VMFAT-502 niet eens mee.
Daarom, als je zo'n grote hoeveelheid kisten hebt is het niet erg als er een paar bejaarden bijzitten, maar voor Canada gaat het om hun enige fighter die de volledige krijgsmacht moet voorzien...

Nu zal de Hornet wel vanaf 2025 overgenomen gaan worden, maar als je bedenkt dat NL haar F-16's officieel in 2024 wil laten afzwaaien en de F-35 het bij ons dan dus al overgenomen heeft....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/01/2019 | 14:28 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 12/01/2019 | 14:00 uur
Daarom, als je zo'n grote hoeveelheid kisten hebt is het niet erg als er een paar bejaarden bijzitten, maar voor Canada gaat het om hun enige fighter die de volledige krijgsmacht moet voorzien...

Nu zal de Hornet wel vanaf 2025 overgenomen gaan worden, maar als je bedenkt dat NL haar F-16's officieel in 2024 wil laten afzwaaien en de F-35 het bij ons dan dus al overgenomen heeft....

Als het bewind in Ottawa het wil, zoals te zien is in reactie #3117, dan moet het maar zo. En dan ook nog eens Full Operational Capability pas in 2031.

Overigens is de USMC druk bezig met modernisering van hun legacy Hornets. Denk dan bijv. aan EASA radar e.d. Andere legacy Hornet gebruikers moeten ook nog even doorbijten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/01/2019 | 18:46 uur
Dassault receives Rafale F4 contract

http://www.aircosmosinternational.com/dassault-receives-rafale-f4-contract-119255
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/01/2019 | 21:33 uur
French Navy receives first F3R-standard Rafale

https://www.janes.com/article/85693/french-navy-receives-first-f3r-standard-rafale
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/01/2019 | 15:31 uur
Eurofighter Typhoon to bid to replace Canadian CF-18 fleet

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/eurofighter-typhoon-to-bid-to-replace-canadian-cf-18-455004/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 15/01/2019 | 16:41 uur
Altijd een beetje sneu, soort medelijden voel ik als de typhoon met bids voorbij komt.


Staan ze daar weer, met een heel team, hippe flyers en nieuwe stropdassen..oud kreng te verkopen wat niemand echt ziet zitten..en niets op zijn naam heeft..best nieuw is maar aanspreekt als een product van de vorige oorlog. Het lijkt me niet leuk dat apparaat te moeten verkopen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/01/2019 | 16:45 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 15/01/2019 | 16:41 uur
Altijd een beetje sneu, soort medelijden voel ik als de typhoon met bids voorbij komt.


Staan ze daar weer, met een heel team, hippe flyers en nieuwe stropdassen..oud kreng te verkopen wat niemand echt ziet zitten..en niets op zijn naam heeft..best nieuw is maar aanspreekt als een product van de vorige oorlog. Het lijkt me niet leuk dat apparaat te moeten verkopen.

Lijkt mij inmiddels (voor Canada) een kansloos apparaat, dan zie ik nog eerder de Rafale F4 al F35A concurrent...

Maar zeer vermoedelijk komen ze uiteindelijk toch weer bij de F35A uit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/01/2019 | 16:51 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 15/01/2019 | 16:41 uur
Altijd een beetje sneu, soort medelijden voel ik als de typhoon met bids voorbij komt.


Staan ze daar weer, met een heel team, hippe flyers en nieuwe stropdassen..oud kreng te verkopen wat niemand echt ziet zitten..en niets op zijn naam heeft..best nieuw is maar aanspreekt als een product van de vorige oorlog. Het lijkt me niet leuk dat apparaat te moeten verkopen.

Moest ineens denken aan de KLu open dagen van 2000 op vlb. Volkel. Toen waren er de demo's van de Rafale en Typhoon. Ook toen al hadden ze die hippe flyers en dergelijke  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 15/01/2019 | 18:05 uur
Haha zie je ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 15/01/2019 | 18:13 uur
Toch zou ik zelf een (overigens niet realistisch) scenario voor de KLU met een combi van F-35A & Typhoon zoals de Italianen het hebben best zien zitten. het is een hele potente air-to-air kist, maar wanneer je maar één kist te kiezen hebt zijn er idd veel betere opties.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/01/2019 | 18:22 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 15/01/2019 | 18:13 uur
Toch zou ik zelf een (overigens niet realistisch) scenario voor de KLU met een combi van F-35A & Typhoon zoals de Italianen het hebben best zien zitten. het is een hele potente air-to-air kist, maar wanneer je maar één kist te kiezen hebt zijn er idd veel betere opties.

Is best een interessante combi, maar dan met aanzienlijk meer vliegtuigen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 16/01/2019 | 01:21 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 15/01/2019 | 18:13 uur
Toch zou ik zelf een (overigens niet realistisch) scenario voor de KLU met een combi van F-35A & Typhoon zoals de Italianen het hebben best zien zitten. het is een hele potente air-to-air kist, maar wanneer je maar één kist te kiezen hebt zijn er idd veel betere opties.

Als er genoeg budget had geweest en we keken naar 2005 - 2010 had dit een goed scenario kunnen zijn. Als je eenzelfde scenario bekijkt in de toekomst kom je snel uit bij F-35 + Tempest (of de Duits-Franse NGF) maar dan moet er wel echt die 2% uitgegeven worden volgens NAVO norm en anders houd het op bij 52 - 65 F-35's.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/01/2019 | 11:32 uur
Interview with a British F-35B Lightning II pilot: Semper Fidelis to Semper Paratus

https://hushkit.net/2019/01/15/interview-with-a-british-f-35b-lightning-ii-pilot-semper-fidelis-to-semper-paratus/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 16/01/2019 | 15:35 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 16/01/2019 | 01:21 uur
Als er genoeg budget had geweest en we keken naar 2005 - 2010 had dit een goed scenario kunnen zijn. Als je eenzelfde scenario bekijkt in de toekomst kom je snel uit bij F-35 + Tempest (of de Duits-Franse NGF) maar dan moet er wel echt die 2% uitgegeven worden volgens NAVO norm en anders houd het op bij 52 - 65 F-35's.
Ik bedoelde idd dat tijdperk, toen onze keuze voor F-35 nog niet vastlag en we nog een fatsoenlijk aantal F-16's hadden. twee types word denk ik pas interessant wanneer je meer dan 100 kisten totaal wilt aanschaffen, iets wat ik zelfs wanneer we naar 2% gaan niet zie gebeuren. vandaar ook mijn aantekening dat het een niet realistisch scenario is.

vwb toekomst: F-35+Tempest lijkt me prima als de Tempest realiteit gaat worden, dat Duits-Franse project heb ik minder vertrouwen in.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/01/2019 | 12:56 uur
Raytheon to upgrade USMC Hornets with new AESA radar

https://www.janes.com/article/85782/raytheon-to-upgrade-usmc-hornets-with-new-aesa-radar
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 17/01/2019 | 14:20 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/01/2019 | 18:22 uur
Is best een interessante combi, maar dan met aanzienlijk meer vliegtuigen.
Dan liever de Gripen erbij.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/01/2019 | 14:26 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 17/01/2019 | 14:20 uur
Dan liever de Gripen erbij.

Kan ook prima voor er bij.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/01/2019 | 14:41 uur
Voor de Gripen E dan maar weer voormalig vliegbasis Twente weer optuigen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 17/01/2019 | 14:56 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 17/01/2019 | 14:41 uur
Voor de Gripen E dan maar weer voormalig vliegbasis Twente weer optuigen?

Of op "De Peel" er waren toch plannen om hier weer vliegverkeer mogelijk te maken ivm de F35, en is al helmaal militair terrein.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/01/2019 | 15:09 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 17/01/2019 | 14:56 uur
Of op "De Peel" er waren toch plannen om hier weer vliegverkeer mogelijk te maken ivm de F35, en is al helmaal militair terrein.

Als De Peel al ruimte heeft voor twee squadrons. Je gaat niet voor 1 squadron als je een tweede type jachtvliegtuig erbij wilt. Net als de Gripen E is de kans op terugkeer van vliegbasis Twente erg klein.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/01/2019 | 15:44 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 17/01/2019 | 14:41 uur
Voor de Gripen E dan maar weer voormalig vliegbasis Twente weer optuigen?

Waarom zou je.... er zijn opties, maar een basis als Volkel kan/kon 60+ F16's huisvesten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/01/2019 | 16:04 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/01/2019 | 15:44 uur
Waarom zou je.... er zijn opties, maar een basis als Volkel kan/kon 60+ F16's huisvesten.

Misschien denk ik te moeilijk. Natuurlijk kun je Leeuwarden en/of Volkel (inderdaad ooit 3 volledige squadrons) vol trappen, maar er zijn mensen die over het geluid lopen te miepen. Als alles over 2 MOB's kan worden verdeeld, dan kan een derde in het archief blijven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 17/01/2019 | 18:25 uur
Hoeveel stuks kan Leeuwarden huisvesten?
Waren in het F-104&F-16 tijdperk altijd twee squadrons, maar als je verder teruggaat naar de Hunters&Meteors waren er meer squadrons, maar die opereerden nog niet vanuit shelters neem ik aan? nu wisselt het aantal kisten per squadron ook door de jaren heen, dus over hoeveel shelters hebben we het op Leeuwarden? En is de infrastructuur (squadrongebouwen, onderhoudshangars, munitiebunkers e.d.) voldoende om alles ook draaiend te houden wanneer al die shelters permanent bezet zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/01/2019 | 18:50 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 17/01/2019 | 18:25 uur
Hoeveel stuks kan Leeuwarden huisvesten?
Waren in het F-104&F-16 tijdperk altijd twee squadrons, maar als je verder teruggaat naar de Hunters&Meteors waren er meer squadrons, maar die opereerden nog niet vanuit shelters neem ik aan?

Als ik in de 3e uitgave van het boek Squadrons van de Koninklijke Luchtmacht (W.F. Helfferich) kijk, dan lees ik dat in de periode 1952-1958 323, 324 en 325 Squadron op vlb. Leeuwarden waren gestationeerd. De vliegbases Soesterberg en Twente hadden in een bepaalde periode ook 3 fighter squadrons. Met de 32nd erbij had Soesterberg zelfs 4 fighter squadrons voor een korte periode.

Edit. In het boek Voor vriend en vijand paraat De geschiedenis van Vliegbasis Leeuwarden (NIMH) staat dat de shelters pas op 24 maart 1977 in gebruik zijn genomen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/01/2019 | 20:33 uur
Citaat van: Janes op 17/01/2019 | 12:56 uur
Raytheon to upgrade USMC Hornets with new AESA radar

https://www.janes.com/article/85782/raytheon-to-upgrade-usmc-hornets-with-new-aesa-radar

En dan nu het filmpje van Raytheon.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/01/2019 | 23:00 uur
Japan to cease in-country assembly of F-35 jets

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/2019/01/17/japan-to-cease-in-country-assembly-of-f-35-jets/#.XED6tqPYeBc.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/01/2019 | 08:52 uur
Euro fighter: Franco-German Future Combat Air System takes shape | Jane's 360

https://www.janes.com/article/85784/euro-fighter-franco-german-future-combat-air-system-takes-shape#.XEGFgM0OtDQ.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/01/2019 | 09:59 uur
German MoD Urged to Decide on Tornado Replacement

Germany's defense minister had promised she would decide before the end of 2018 which fighter would replace the Luftwaffe's Tornado strike aircraft, but no decision has been announced, and Airbus and the US continue to lobby

The Tornado aircraft were developed jointly by Italy, the United Kingdom and West Germany during the Cold War, but the warplanes have not been produced since 1998.

Despite Tornado fighter-bombers already on display in museums in the US, Bulgaria and even Germany itself, these warplanes are still in service with the German army, and the country's Defence Ministry has yet to decide on their replacement, according to Die Welt.

The newspaper recalled that the Tornado planes, along with the newer Eurofighter aircraft, remain the backbone of the country's air force. The Tornados, which has been in service since the 1980s, are expected to remain in the German Air Force until 2025.

However, Die Welt reported, the process of replacing the Tornados is by no means guaranteed, not least due to the German Defence Ministry's "political contradictions".

While German Air Force officials favour the notion of buying US-made warplanes, Airbus is trying to compel Germany to purchase its Eurofighters; the company claims this will be in line with the need to support European aircraft manufacturing.

"It is no longer possible to delay with the decision on the replacement as the costs of operating old aircraft are growing, and it's becoming increasingly difficult to provide them with the necessary spare parts," Die Welt reported.

What's more, due to the lack of spare parts and the German Defence Ministry's reluctance to train pilots in the US, the process of preparing Tornado crews "becomes unreasonably long", according to Die Welt.

"German Air Force inspector Lieutenant-General Ingo Gerhartz admitted that he would prefer to see Tornado only in a museum of military history, which is why it is important for the country's Defence Ministry to quickly resolve the issue of their replacement", the newspaper concluded.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/199157/german-mod-urged-to-decide-on-tornado-replacement.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/01/2019 | 10:06 uur
US Air Force looks at using F-35 as ballistic missile interceptor

The US Air Force and Missile Defense Agency (MDA) are examining integrating the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II into the US ballistic missile defense system.

.../...

voor het gehele artikel, zie onderstaande link
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-air-force-looks-at-using-f-35-as-ballistic-missil-455100/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/01/2019 | 10:36 uur
​Singapore commits to "small" F-35 procurement

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/singapore-commits-to-small-f-35-procurement-455116/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/01/2019 | 10:42 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 18/01/2019 | 10:36 uur
​Singapore commits to "small" F-35 procurement


Het wordt steeds stiller in het F35 anti-kamp... steeds meer landen willen ze, de aanschaf prijs en de exploitatiekosten dalen gestaag en nu blijkt ook nog uit beeldmaterieel dat ze geen lomp barrel is maar echt kan bewegen in een dog-fight en tevens 5 (bewegende) doelen gelijktijdig kan aanvallen...

En in beast mode 14 AMRAAMS kan dragen...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/01/2019 | 10:47 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/01/2019 | 10:42 uur
Het wordt steeds stiller in het F35 anti-kamp... steeds meer landen willen ze, de aanschaf prijs en de exploitatiekosten dalen gestaag en nu blijkt ook nog uit beeldmaterieel dat ze geen lomp barrel is maar echt kan bewegen in een dog-fight en tevens 5 (bewegende) doelen gelijktijdig kan aanvallen...

En in beast mode 14 AMRAAMS kan dragen...

Die F-35B droeg maar 5 stuks van de Paveway IV (correctie) in plaats van 6. En dan zijn op dit moment de twin store carriers nog niet in gebruik.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 18/01/2019 | 11:19 uur
Hey, die zijn nieuw in de club. Geldjes voor NL
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 18/01/2019 | 14:43 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 18/01/2019 | 10:47 uur
Die F-35B droeg maar 5 stuks van de Paveway IV (correctie) in plaats van 6. En dan zijn op dit moment de twin store carriers nog niet in gebruik.

Eb dan te bedenken dat dit van maart vorig jaar is we zijn al weer een heel end in de ontwikkeling verder.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/01/2019 | 11:14 uur
USAF 3-D prints metal parts to keep F-22 repair cost down

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-3-d-prints-metal-parts-to-keep-f-22-repair-cost-455133/

Combat aircraft market strong over next decade: report

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/combat-aircraft-market-strong-over-next-decade-repo-455132/

OPINION: Can F-35 hit programme targets in 2019?

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/opinion-can-f-35-hit-programme-targets-in-2019-455120/

ANALYSIS: F-35 production ready to soar in 2019

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-f-35-production-ready-to-soar-in-2019-455123/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/01/2019 | 14:11 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 17/01/2019 | 18:25 uur
nu wisselt het aantal kisten per squadron ook door de jaren heen, dus over hoeveel shelters hebben we het op Leeuwarden? En is de infrastructuur (squadrongebouwen, onderhoudshangars, munitiebunkers e.d.) voldoende om alles ook draaiend te houden wanneer al die shelters permanent bezet zijn.

Het al genoemde boek over vlb. Leeuwarden geeft een plattegrond met de situatie in 1990 weer. Daarop zijn +/- 32 hardened aircraft shelters te zien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 19/01/2019 | 15:11 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 19/01/2019 | 14:11 uur
Het al genoemde boek over vlb. Leeuwarden geeft een plattegrond met de situatie in 1990 weer. Daarop zijn +/- 32 hardened aircraft shelters te zien.
Dus +-60 op Volkel en +-32 op Leeuwarden maakt samen 92.
Als je bedenkt dat er ook altijd kisten op Woensdrecht staan voor onderhoud en je een opleidingsdetachement in de VS hebt wordt het dus pas krap op de huidige bases als we meer dan 100-120 F-35's zouden aanschaffen, iets wat vermoedelijk nooit zal gebeuren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 19/01/2019 | 15:30 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 19/01/2019 | 15:11 uur
Dus +-60 op Volkel en +-32 op Leeuwarden maakt samen 92.
Als je bedenkt dat er ook altijd kisten op Woensdrecht staan voor onderhoud en je een opleidingsdetachement in de VS hebt wordt het dus pas krap op de huidige bases als we meer dan 100-120 F-35's zouden aanschaffen, iets wat vermoedelijk nooit zal gebeuren.

En dan vergeet je dat Eindhoven ook nog een squadron qua shelters kan herbergen en Gilze en Rijen als het moet ook nog
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/01/2019 | 15:33 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 19/01/2019 | 15:30 uur
En dan vergeet je dat Eindhoven ook nog een squadron qua shelters kan herbergen en Gilze en Rijen als het moet ook nog

Exact.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/01/2019 | 15:43 uur
Nu we toch met hardened aircraft shelters bezig zijn. Het boek 100 jaar luchtvaart tussen Gilze en Rijen (NIMH) laat op een plattegrond met de situatie in 1986 +/- 30 shelters zien. Deze zijn van 2 verschillende ontwerpen. 17 stuks waren voor de USAF bestemd t.b.v. de collocated operating base.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 19/01/2019 | 18:29 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 19/01/2019 | 15:30 uur
En dan vergeet je dat Eindhoven ook nog een squadron qua shelters kan herbergen en Gilze en Rijen als het moet ook nog
Weet ik, maar ging er even vanuit dat Gilze al vol zit met DHC, dacht dat een sqn fighters daar niet meer bij paste?


Hoe zit dat op Eindhoven? Is/wordt dat nog niet geclaimd door de burgerluchtvaart? En zo niet is het dan mogelijk om op permanente basis zowel civiel, Klu transport en fighters tegelijkertijd van een basis te laten opereren? Wat gebeurd er op dit moment met de shelters op Eindhoven, zijn die nog wel in fatsoenlijke staat van onderhoud? In die van Gilze staan dacht ik afgedankte F-16's.

Gaat me even om het onrealistische scenario: 'NL koopt stevig in op fighters', dus geen oorlogscenario, maar je moet de eenheden permanent kwijt kunnen in vredestijd. Je zit dan dus ook met sqn gebouw, onderhoudshangar, wapenopslag, evt QRA ruimtes en natuurlijk geluidsoverlast.

P.S. misschien dat de moderator deze berichten even moet verplaatsen naar het Klu F-35 topic?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 19/01/2019 | 19:58 uur
Past de F35 wel in de bestaande shelters?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/01/2019 | 20:05 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 19/01/2019 | 19:58 uur
Past de F35 wel in de bestaande shelters?

Ja.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Robert2 op 19/01/2019 | 20:25 uur
Ik zie iedereen het maar hebben over shelters, maar dat is niet meer dan een stuk beton met een grote deur d'r in. Die kan je overal wel neer plempen naast een stuk asfalt van +/- 2000 meter. Bovendien hoeft ie daar niet eens in te staan, het is meer dat wij ervoor kiezen om dat te doen. Het gaat veel meer om de rest van de hebben en houwen dat erbij komt kijken wat ervoor zorgt dat je niet zomaar even een heel squadron permanent ergens kan parkeren.

Zit achter een gratis muur:
https://www.lc.nl/friesland/Hoe-de-Leeuwarder-vliegbasis-voor-miljoenen-wordt-klaargemaakt-voor-de-F-35-24083224.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 21/01/2019 | 11:28 uur
Pentagon considers an ICBM-killing weapon for the F-35, but is it affordable?

WASHINGTON — Over the next six months, the Defense Department will weigh whether to develop a new weapon for the F-35 fighter jet that will enable it to strike down an intercontinental ballistic missile in the early stages of flight.

And it's the Pentagon's lead official for developmental technologies who is bullish on the prospect, telling reporters Jan. 17 that a new weapon could be both operationally effective and low cost.

"For certain regional geographies — North Korea comes to mind — we actually think it's entirely possible and cost-effective to deploy what I will loosely call air-to-air interceptors, although possibly of new design, on advanced aircraft [and] using the aircraft as either sensor or weapons platforms to affect a missile intercept," said Mike Griffin, undersecretary of defense for research and engineering.

"We will, as the report implies, be studying that again, but I've seen recently any number of assessments, several assessments, which indicate that this is something we should be looking at."

[Source: defensenews.com ]

Het complete artikel : https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/01/17/pentagon-considering-an-icbm-killing-weapon-for-the-f-35-but-can-it-afford-it/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/01/2019 | 11:53 uur
US Air Force concerned about breaking minimum amount of fighter aircraft

https://www.janes.com/article/85832/us-air-force-concerned-about-breaking-minimum-amount-of-fighter-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/01/2019 | 21:21 uur
End of an era: Navy's legacy Hornets to fly off into the sunset

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2019/01/24/end-of-an-era-navys-legacy-hornets-to-fly-off-into-the-sunset/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/01/2019 | 14:43 uur
Canada to keep paying for F-35 development as fighter-jet competition ramps up

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-to-keep-paying-for-f-35-development-as-fighter-jet-competition/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/01/2019 | 19:59 uur
If the money is there, new and improved F-15s could be coming soon to the Air Force

https://www.defensenews.com/newsletters/2019/01/26/if-the-money-is-there-new-and-improved-f-15s-could-be-coming-soon-to-the-air-force/#.XEyuAIqq_rg.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/01/2019 | 09:44 uur
'Lethal' F-35A heading to Red Flag 19-1

https://www.acc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1740800/lethal-f-35a-heading-to-red-flag-19-1/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/01/2019 | 09:48 uur
F-35 Demo Team pilot practices new maneuvers

https://www.aetc.af.mil/News/Article/1739104/f-35-demo-team-pilot-practices-new-maneuvers/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/01/2019 | 14:25 uur
Swiss Receive Five Bids for Next-Gen Fighter, Evaluation to Follow

On 25 January 2019, five candidates submitted to armasuisse their offers for the next fighter jets, as required by the procedure published on March 23, 2018 by the Federal Department of Defence, Civil Protection and Sport. The bids are for the following aircraft: Eurofighter (Airbus, Germany), F / A-18 Super Hornet (Boeing, USA), Rafale (Dassault, France), F-35A (Lockheed-Martin, USA) and Gripen E (Saab, Sweden).

Kick-off of the analysis and testing phase

The submission of these initial offers marks the beginning of the analysis and testing phase. From February to March 2019, specialists from armasuisse and the Swiss Air Force will test the aircraft in the corresponding simulators. These activities will take place at the candidates' facilities, and will run in parallel to the product support audits.

During these audits, the air forces of the manufacturing countries will present the operation and maintenance procedures for each aircraft and their training course.

The audits will be followed by the analysis of the answers to the questionnaire that the manufacturers had to fill in their initial offers. At the same time, between April and July 2019, combat aircraft will be subjected to flight and ground tests at Payerne.

Interested persons can visit the airplanes in Payerne: visiting days for the media and aircraft spotters will be provided upon registration for each aircraft model. All information concerning visiting days will be available at the beginning of April 2019 on the DDPS website.

Next steps of the project Next combat aircraft

Armasuisse, in cooperation with the Defence Staff, the Air Force, the Defence Logistics Base and the Command Support Base, will produce expert reports on the information gathered during the analysis and testing of each candidate aircraft. These reports will form the basis of the systematic and comprehensive comparison between the candidates, which will be carried out during the second half of 2020. They will also serve to determine the size of the required fleet for each model of aircraft.

On this basis, the current timetable calls for armasuisse to prepare a second request for proposals tenders that will be sent to the five candidates. Based on the knowledge gained from the second offer, armasuisse will then compare the candidates with each other on the basis of the expert reports, and determine the overall usefulness of each candidate.

The evaluation report comparing overall utility with acquisition costs and operating costs for a period of 30 years will then be developed.

The Federal Council will then select the preferred model.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/199422/swiss-receive-five-bids-for-next_gen-fighter%2C-evaluation-to-follow.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/01/2019 | 14:27 uur
France to Develop Hypersonic Missile Demonstrator

France to Flight-Test Hypersonic Demonstrator by 2021

France has awarded ArianeGroup a contract to develop a hypersonic glider technology demonstrator that is due to make its first flight by the end of 2021, Armed Forces Minister Florence Parly announced Jan. 21.

"We have decided to award a contract for a hypersonic glider demonstrator," able to reach a speed of over Mach 5 (over 6,000 km/h)," Parly said during her New Year's address to the armed forces.

France is already conducting studies on hypersonic propulsion as part of the modernization of its nuclear deterrent, but such a glider, initially propelled by a rocket or a missile, is attractive for military missions because its unpredictable trajectory allows it to escape interception.

The French hypersonic demonstrator is designated V-Max, for Véhicule Manoeuvrant Expérimental. It will be about 2 meters long, a "hyperfast system capable of hypermaneuvrability," a source told the Paris daily L'Opinion

"We could not wait anymore"

"A hypersonic glider is something that can be steered, and which can reach speeds of over five times the speed of sound; the goal is high-speed maneuverability, which s much different from a ballistic trajectory," a source; in the Directorate-General of Armaments told the newsweekly L'Express. "Once the initial velocity has been reached, we will trade off speed against altitude to climb, dive, turn right or left, along a flight path which is much more difficult to intercept. And, if engaged by anti-missile defenses, we can maneuver to avoid them."

"Many nations are procuring such weapons, and we have all the necessary skills to develop one: we could not wait," Parly said. Indeed, three of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council are already engaging in a new arms race for this kind of weapon: Chine, Russia and the United States.

In December, Moscow boasted that the capabilities of its new hypersonic weapons make them "practically" impossible to shoot down, after a test in which a hypersonic missile called "Avangard" reached a speed of over Mach 20 to hit its target at a distance of 3,700 km.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/199420/france-to-develop-hypersonic-missile-demonstrator.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/01/2019 | 14:28 uur
Saab Offers Gripen E to Switzerland

Saab and the four other companies competing for the Swiss Air Force's Air 2030 program to buy a new fighter aircraft submitted their bids on Jan. 25; Saab is offering the Gripen E, which has also been ordered by Brazil.

.../...

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/199418/saab-submits-offer-for-gripen-e-to-switzerland.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/01/2019 | 14:33 uur
US Air Force wants a new prototype fighter to replace F-22 Raptors and F-35s in dogfights

https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/us-air-force-wants-a-new-prototype-fighter-to-replace-f22-raptors-and-f35s-in-dogfights/news-story/c5314f0d2aa36713aa4140f88188f38b
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/01/2019 | 14:40 uur
BAE Systems to undertake 'Project Heisenberg' of upgraded F-35 EW suite

The programme office for the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lighting II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) will award BAE Systems a sole-source contract to conduct flights trials of the aircraft's future electronic warfare (EW) and countermeasures suite.

The US Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) disclosed on 25 January that BAE Systems will conduct tests of a modified version of its AN/ASQ-239A suite aboard the CATBird surrogate test aircraft. This demonstration of elements of the EW/countermeasures suite on the modified Boeing 737 airliner known as the Cooperative Avionics Test Bed (CATBird) is referred to as Project Heisenberg.

"This effort provides risk reduction and early assessment of C2D2 [Continuous Capability Development and Delivery]/Block 4 EW capabilities, along with evaluation of the associated mission data files," NAVAIR said, adding, "The scope of work required for this effort consists of proposing, developing, integrating, deploying, and operating a modified AN/ASQ-239A suite in a receive-only flight-test/demonstration configuration."

This contract supports the multiple variants of the F-35, with an award anticipated for the third quarter of fiscal year 2019 (FY 2019).

As noted by BAE Systems, the AN/ASQ-239 system protects the F-35 against current and emerging threats. "Equipped with offensive and defensive electronic warfare options for the pilot and aircraft, the suite provides fully integrated radar warning, targeting support, and self-protection, to detect and defeat surface and airborne threats."

The company added, "The system provides the pilot with maximum situational awareness, helping to identify, monitor, analyse, and respond to potential threats. Advanced avionics and sensors provide a real-time, 360° view of the battlespace, helping to maximise detection ranges and provide the pilot with options to evade, engage, counter, or jam threats.

"Always active, AN/ASQ-239 provides all-aspect, broadband protection, allowing the F-35 to reach well-defended targets and suppress enemy radars.

https://www.janes.com/article/85990/bae-systems-to-undertake-project-heisenberg-of-upgraded-f-35-ew-suite
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/01/2019 | 15:01 uur
Citaat van: Defense-aerospace op 28/01/2019 | 14:25 uur
Swiss Receive Five Bids for Next-Gen Fighter, Evaluation to Follow

On 25 January 2019, five candidates submitted to armasuisse their offers for the next fighter jets, as required by the procedure published on March 23, 2018 by the Federal Department of Defence, Civil Protection and Sport. The bids are for the following aircraft: Eurofighter (Airbus, Germany), F / A-18 Super Hornet (Boeing, USA), Rafale (Dassault, France), F-35A (Lockheed-Martin, USA) and Gripen E (Saab, Sweden).

.../...

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/199422/swiss-receive-five-bids-for-next_gen-fighter%2C-evaluation-to-follow.html

Op een of andere manier lijkt voor mij de F-35A voor Zwitserland een outsider, maar wat als deze de competitie weet te winnen en wordt gekozen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/01/2019 | 15:27 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 28/01/2019 | 15:01 uur
Op een of andere manier lijkt voor mij de F-35A voor Zwitserland een outsider, maar wat als deze de competitie weet te winnen en wordt gekozen?
De F-35A als Zwitsers "Heimat" verdediger ? Is wat overdone lijk me , maar wie weet ...

De vorige keer waren het de Gripen E en later de Rafale welke als beste uit de bus kwamen, hierover is nog enige discussie ...
Ze kunnen in iedergeval niet meer zeggen dat de Gripen E een papieren vliegtuigje is !   
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/01/2019 | 12:45 uur
PICTURES: RAF Tornados poised for operational end (die Tornado GR1 kleurstelling  8))

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-raf-tornados-poised-for-operational-end-455333/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/01/2019 | 22:45 uur
Lockheed CEO: Boeing's F-15X won't disrupt F-35 program

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/2019/01/29/lockheed-ceo-boeings-f-15x-wont-disrupt-f-35-program/#.XFDJSZfc6Yo.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/01/2019 | 09:41 uur
Lockheed: F-35A Cost To Drop Below $80 Million Per Fighter In 2023

https://news.usni.org/2019/01/29/40708
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/01/2019 | 17:17 uur
Oldest F-35B Could Hit Service Life Limit In 2026

http://aviationweek.com/defense/oldest-f-35b-could-hit-service-life-limit-2026 via @aviationweek
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/01/2019 | 20:12 uur
thomas_wiegold‏ @thomas_wiegold · 1 u1 uur geleden 

Germany to replace ageing Tornado fighter/bomber fleet either with #eurofighter or #Boeing's F/A-18 - #F35 not to be considered, govt sources say. More on @AugenGeradeaus soon

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/01/2019 | 20:21 uur
Citaat van: Thomas Wiegold op 31/01/2019 | 20:12 uur
thomas_wiegold‏ @thomas_wiegold · 1 u1 uur geleden 

Germany to replace ageing Tornado fighter/bomber fleet either with #eurofighter or #Boeing's F/A-18 - #F35 not to be considered, govt sources say. More on @AugenGeradeaus soon

Als dit werkelijk zo is, dan is de F/A-18E/F Super Hornet alleen voor de vorm en wordt er van alles aan gedaan om de F-35 niet te laten meedoen. Anders dan dit kan ik het mij niet voorstellen.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/01/2019 | 20:24 uur
F-18 oder Eurofighter sollen den Bundeswehr-Tornado ersetzen

https://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland/nachfolge-des-kampfjets-f18-oder-eurofighter-sollen-den-bundeswehr-tornado-ersetzen_id_10260802.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/01/2019 | 20:34 uur
De F18E/F optie is dan ook slechts een interim oplossing totdat FCAS haar intrede doet, ik verwacht, indien men voor deze relatief snel te leveren keuze gaat, slechts een beperkt aantal kisten, net voldoende voor de nucleaire rol.

In het hier onder geplaatste artikel (in www.focus.de) is ook sprake van het vervangen van de 33 oudste typhoons, tranche 1 door tranche 4.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/01/2019 | 20:42 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/01/2019 | 20:34 uur
De F18E/F optie is dan ook slechts een interim oplossing totdat FCAS haar intrede doet, ik verwacht, indien men voor deze relatief snel te leveren keuze gaat, slechts een beperkt aantal kisten, net voldoende voor de nucleaire rol.

In het hier onder geplaatste artikel (in www.focus.de) is ook sprake van het vervangen van de 33 oudste typhoons, tranche 1 door tranche 4.

Niet alleen de Typhoon moet voor de B61 geschikt worden gemaakt, maar dat geldt eigenlijk ook voor de Super Hornet. Ongeacht de keuze zullen er toch kosten aan zitten.

https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/b61-12-nuclear-bomb/

Kiezen zij toch de Super Hornet, dan is de kans groot dat zij de enigste in Europa zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/01/2019 | 20:55 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 31/01/2019 | 20:42 uur
Niet alleen de Typhoon moet voor de B61 geschikt worden gemaakt, maar dat geldt eigenlijk ook voor de Super Hornet. Ongeacht de keuze zullen er toch kosten aan zitten.

https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/b61-12-nuclear-bomb/

Kiezen zij toch de Super Hornet, dan is de kans groot dat zij de enigste in Europa zijn.

Ik acht de kans dan ook niet zo groot.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/01/2019 | 21:46 uur
Germany officially knocks F-35 out of competition to replace Tornado

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/01/31/germany-officially-knocks-f-35-out-of-competition-to-replace-tornado/#.XFNecrci92o.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 31/01/2019 | 22:10 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/01/2019 | 21:46 uur
Germany officially knocks F-35 out of competition to replace Tornado
:confused: :omg: :omg: Dat is dus een zuiver politieke beslissing...
Nu... voor mij niet gelaten hoor.
'k Ben dan wel benieuwd of ze écht werk zullen maken van een Europees project... Want de F-35 doelbewust niet selecteren/aankopen is een ding... iets gelijkaardigs of beter maken is wat anders...
Het Oberkommando van de Luftwaffe zal hier ook niet blij mee zijn...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 31/01/2019 | 22:21 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 31/01/2019 | 22:10 uur
Dat is dus een zuiver politieke beslissing...
Zoals het er nu naar uitziet wel; zou het iets te maken kunnen hebben met de overeenkomst die Dld en Fr recentelijk hebben afgesloten?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 31/01/2019 | 22:41 uur
Citaat van: Lex op 31/01/2019 | 22:21 uur
Zoals het er nu naar uitziet wel; zou het iets te maken kunnen hebben met de overeenkomst die Dld en Fr recentelijk hebben afgesloten?

Hier zet ik dus ook mijn geld op.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 31/01/2019 | 22:53 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/01/2019 | 21:46 uur
Germany officially knocks F-35 out of competition to replace Tornado

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/01/31/germany-officially-knocks-f-35-out-of-competition-to-replace-tornado/#.XFNecrci92o.twitter
:omg: wel verbaasd. Voor mijn gevoel was de F35A de enige goede keus in deze vervanging.
Eurofighter ...  deze kunnen ze nu al amper in de lucht houden... en dan extra aanschaffen  :hrmph:
F18E.... interim keuze ... idd en enigste gebruiker in Europa. Tussen oplossing voor FCAS..
Met de F35A zou Duitsland nog het voordeel kunnen hebben van de andere F35 gebruikers binnen Europa en daarbij een 5de gen. Toestel.  Dan maken ze een stap voorwaarts.
Wachten op de FCAS kan nog wel even duren en daarbij waarschijnlijk de aanschafkosten ervan hoger zullen liggen dan de F35.
Wil Duitsland dan gelijk ook de Eurofighter vervangen met de FCAS ??
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/01/2019 | 23:24 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 31/01/2019 | 22:53 uur
:omg: wel verbaasd. Voor mijn gevoel was de F35A de enige goede keus in deze vervanging.
Eurofighter ...  deze kunnen ze nu al amper in de lucht houden... en dan extra aanschaffen  :hrmph:
F18E.... interim keuze ... idd en enigste gebruiker in Europa. Tussen oplossing voor FCAS..
Met de F35A zou Duitsland nog het voordeel kunnen hebben van de andere F35 gebruikers binnen Europa en daarbij een 5de gen. Toestel.  Dan maken ze een stap voorwaarts.
Wachten op de FCAS kan nog wel even duren en daarbij waarschijnlijk de aanschafkosten ervan hoger zullen liggen dan de F35.
Wil Duitsland dan gelijk ook de Eurofighter vervangen met de FCAS ??

Als FCAS het prijspeil benaderd, evenaart of overtreft van de eerste schattingen van de Amerikaanse PCA (F/X) (6e generatie fighter voor de USAF) van US$ 300 miljoen per exemplaar dan hebben ze nog een uitdaging.

Indien FCAS van de grond komt, dan zal vervanging van de Typhoon vermoedelijk in fases gebeuren, immers de huidige oude Duitse tranche 1 Typhoons worden eerst vervangen door de nu nog papieren variant: tranche 4.

Tegen die tijd, als er niets dramatisch is gebeurd in Europa, dat de laatste Typhoons worden afgevoerd leven we vermoedelijk ruim in de jaren zestig.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 01/02/2019 | 08:33 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/01/2019 | 23:24 uur
Als FCAS het prijspeil benaderd, evenaart of overtreft van de eerste schattingen van de Amerikaanse PCA (F/X) (6e generatie fighter voor de USAF) van US$ 300 miljoen per exemplaar dan hebben ze nog een uitdaging.

Precies, FCAS zal duurder zijn dan een F35 en dan later ook de Eurofighter vervangen, dat wordt idd een uitdaging.

Volgens mij kunnen ze dan nog beter als Interim de F-15X overwegen ipv de F-18SH.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/02/2019 | 08:41 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 01/02/2019 | 08:33 uur
Precies, FCAS zal duurder zijn dan een F35 en dan later ook de Eurofighter vervangen, dat wordt idd een uitdaging.

Volgens mij kunnen ze dan nog beter als Interim de F-15X overwegen ipv de F-18SH.

Ik heb zo het vermoeden dat de F15X (net als de F35A) een bom legt onder de beoogde Frans-Duitse samenwerking.

Zowel de F15X als de F35A zullen vanaf aanschaf rond de 40 jaar mee gaan. Voor de F18E gelden andere getallen al was het maar omdat de productielijn diep in de herfst zit van produceren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 01/02/2019 | 08:42 uur
Saab Offers Gripen to Finland

Supported by Sweden, Saab has today submitted its proposal for the Finnish HX fighter procurement to the Finnish defence procurement agency, the Logistics Command of the Finnish Defence Forces. The proposal comprises 64 Gripen aircraft, both single-seat Gripen E and dual-seat Gripen F, and is the formal response to the customer's Request for Quotation (RFQ) issued in April 2018.

Saab's offered solution features the latest available technology for a continuously changing and very challenging operational environment.

"The outstanding capabilities of Gripen are an excellent match for the Finnish needs and requirements. With Gripen, Finland can renew its fighter fleet without compromising on the number of fighters owing to a truly competitive life-cycle cost. Our offer constitutes a substantial contribution to the operational capability of the Finnish Defence Forces", says Jonas Hjelm, Senior Vice President and head of Saab business area Aeronautics.

As part of the proposal, Saab offers a substantial weapon and sensor package as well as the necessary equipment and associated services needed for operating the system, including an industrial co-operation programme with the aim to build extensive national capabilities in Finland for Security of Supply. It also includes transfer of maintenance, repair and overhaul capabilities to local industry, production of aircraft and an establishment of a Gripen sustainment and development centre in Finland.

According to the customer's planning, a procurement decision is anticipated in 2021.

The Gripen E programme is progressing according to plan, with production on-going and customer deliveries starting this year.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/199538/saab-offers-64-gripen-e%C2%A7f-to-finland.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 01/02/2019 | 08:46 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/02/2019 | 08:41 uur
Ik heb zo het vermoeden dat de F15X (net als de F35A) een bom legt onder de beoogde Frans-Duitse samenwerking.

Zowel de F15X als de F35A zullen vanaf aanschaf rond de 40 jaar mee gaan. Voor de F18E gelden andere getallen al was het maar omdat de productielijn diep in de herfst zit van produceren.

Ja, dat klopt, maar ....
Volgens mij leggen ze nu met die fixatie van Fr-Du samenwerking een bom onder de Luftwaffe...  voor mijn gevoel hebben ze dan over een jaar of 15-20 geen capabel luchtwapen meer bij onze Oosterburen. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/02/2019 | 08:51 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 01/02/2019 | 08:46 uur
Ja, dat klopt, maar ....
Volgens mij leggen ze nu met die fixatie van Fr-Du samenwerking een bom onder de Luftwaffe...  voor mijn gevoel hebben ze dan over een jaar of 15-20 geen capabel luchtwapen meer bij onze Oosterburen.

FCAS is dan ook zeer belangrijk voor ze. Klapt de samenwerking dan kunnen ze nog kijken naar Tempest, lukt dat ook niet, dan zullen toch weer hun blik op de VS moeten richten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 01/02/2019 | 08:58 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/02/2019 | 08:51 uur
FCAS is dan ook zeer belangrijk voor ze. Klapt de samenwerking dan kunnen ze nog kijken naar Tempest, lukt dat ook niet, dan zullen toch weer hun blik op de VS moeten richten.

Het gaat mij ook om de investering die gedaan moet worden en opgehoest moet worden en ook het moment, geen spreiding van aankoop moment.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/02/2019 | 09:30 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 01/02/2019 | 08:58 uur
Het gaat mij ook om de investering die gedaan moet worden en opgehoest moet worden en ook het moment, geen spreiding van aankoop moment.

De helaas welbekende boeggolf.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/02/2019 | 09:45 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/02/2019 | 08:41 uur
Zowel de F15X als de F35A zullen vanaf aanschaf rond de 40 jaar mee gaan. Voor de F18E gelden andere getallen al was het maar omdat de productielijn diep in de herfst zit van produceren.

De Super Hornet Block III is belangrijk voor de US Navy, dus die productie gaat in kleine aantallen rustig door. De productie van Strike Eagle varianten zal wel op z'n einde lopen. Klanten uit het Midden-Oosten hebben tot op heden geen nieuwe contracten geloten. De F-15X heeft alleen kans van slagen als deze in behoorlijke hoeveelheden kan worden verkocht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/02/2019 | 09:50 uur
Om bij de Strike Eagle te blijven.

Liberty wing unveils heritage jet

https://www.lakenheath.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1744647/liberty-wing-unveils-heritage-jet/

(https://media.defense.gov/2019/Jan/31/2002084769/780/780/0/190130-F-QP712-0004.JPG)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/02/2019 | 11:15 uur
Voor de geïnteresseerden. Via onderstaande link is het DOT&E 2018 rapport te downloaden. De pagina's 23 t/m 36 gaan over de F-35.

http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2018/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/02/2019 | 09:55 uur
Industry bids are in for Finland's $13 billion fighter race

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/02/01/industry-bids-are-in-for-finlands-13-billion-fighter-race/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/02/2019 | 12:17 uur
DOT&E says F-35A gun accuracy issues remain (voor rapport zie link in reactie #3204)

https://www.janes.com/article/86122/dot-e-says-f-35a-gun-accuracy-issues-remain
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 02/02/2019 | 21:32 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 02/02/2019 | 09:55 uur
Industry bids are in for Finland's $13 billion fighter race

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/02/01/industry-bids-are-in-for-finlands-13-billion-fighter-race/
Mooi budget! Geen verrassingen in de shortlist van vliegtuigen. Alleen de F-15XYZ* ontbreekt

*) Welke versie momenteel nou weer actueel is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2019 | 22:59 uur
F-15X Will Come In Two Variants, And No, It Won't Cost $100M Per Copy

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26305/f-15x-will-come-in-two-variants-and-no-it-wont-cost-100m-per-copy
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2019 | 23:09 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2019 | 22:59 uur
F-15X Will Come In Two Variants, And No, It Won't Cost $100M Per Copy


Als we dan toch 30 extra gevechtsvliegtuigen willen en mogen aanschaffen.... ik ben vrij gemakkelijk over te halen met dit modelletje naast de F35A  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 04/02/2019 | 23:13 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2019 | 23:09 uur
Als we dan toch 30 extra gevechtsvliegtuigen willen en mogen aanschaffen.... ik ben vrij gemakkelijk over te halen met dit modelletje naast de F35A  :angel:
30?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2019 | 23:22 uur
Citaat van: Lex op 04/02/2019 | 23:13 uur
30?

De KLu spreekt graag in het openbaar van 37/52/67  :cute-smile:

Of ze er meer dan 52 gaan krijgen is dan weer een ander punt op de agenda.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: MasterChief1971 op 04/02/2019 | 23:28 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/02/2019 | 23:09 uur
Als we dan toch 30 extra gevechtsvliegtuigen willen en mogen aanschaffen.... ik ben vrij gemakkelijk over te halen met dit modelletje naast de F35A  :angel:
Als je voor 2 logistieke staarten gaat met letterlijk 0 uitwisselbaarheid is 37 en 30 wellicht een te kleine hoeveelheid en verhouding.
Was het 100+ F104 en 100+ F5 dan begreep ik het nog.

De enige reden dat ik voorstander ben van 2 logistieke staarten voor hetzelfde middel (fighter, oorlogsbodem, tank, whatevs) is dat het onwaarschijnlijk is dat je op the day that never comes een platform hebt wat militair irrelevant is.
Maar ja, plakkaas, lui.
Ik ben voor defensie maar het moet wel betaalbaar blijven in verhouding tot wat je op de mat kan leggen c.q. in de ring of kooi kan laten dansen.

En bij kooi heb ik het niet over die dingen in nachtclubs....

En de KLu mag plannen hebben maar die begrijpen ook wel dat met zulke aantallen de kosten van 2 totaal verschillende logistieke staarten niet zijn op te brengen.
Dus 1 type: F35A.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 04/02/2019 | 23:54 uur
Ik zie het de luchtmacht zomaar voorstellen, maar gaat hem niet worden. Zouden we niet eens kunnen ondersteunen op het moment.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: MasterChief1971 op 05/02/2019 | 00:12 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 04/02/2019 | 23:54 uur
Ik zie het de luchtmacht zomaar voorstellen, maar gaat hem niet worden. Zouden we niet eens kunnen ondersteunen op het moment.

Precies. Het kost allemaal niks, zeg maar.
En dan moeten we het ook nog bemannen en onderhouden en het onderhoud bemannen...

Zelfs met ÁL die miljarden erbij heb je te weinig plakkaas en te weinig lui want er is niemand die nog voor zo'n onbettouwbare, denigrerende werkgever wil werken.
Dwz. geen lui met de papieren die we willen. Iets met peanuts en monkeys...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/02/2019 | 07:19 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 04/02/2019 | 23:54 uur
Ik zie het de luchtmacht zomaar voorstellen, maar gaat hem niet worden. Zouden we niet eens kunnen ondersteunen op het moment.

Niet dat ik het zie gebeuren om meerdere reden die al genoemd zijn naar ik vind de combinatie F35A en F15X wel een heel potent duo.

De F15 familie lijkt de rest van deze eeuw zo maar te kunnen volmaken, zeker met een genoemde levensduur voor de X versie van 20.000 vlieguren. (2,5 x meer dan de F35A volgens de brochure).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 05/02/2019 | 08:23 uur
opzich zou ik het de F-15X graag zien komen naast de F-35A, maar idd zal niet gebeuren ...  :'(

;) :P

(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/d3e/Screen_160608_101613.jpg)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/02/2019 | 09:38 uur
Hoewel ik een groot F-15 Eagle liefhebber ben, ben ik blij dat er voor een nieuw ontwerp en een nieuwe generatie werd gekozen.

Komende juli wordt de F-15 alweer 47 jaar (first flight 27-7-1972)  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/02/2019 | 10:53 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 05/02/2019 | 09:38 uur
Hoewel ik een groot F-15 Eagle liefhebber ben, ben ik blij dat er voor een nieuw ontwerp en een nieuwe generatie werd gekozen.

Komende juli wordt de F-15 alweer 47 jaar (first flight 27-7-1972)  :angel:

Daar ben ik het zondermeer mee eens, mijn all time favourite, de F14, heeft het helaas ook niet gered, ook niet als 21e eeuw Super Tomcat variant.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: artemivanov op 07/02/2019 | 10:32 uur
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/02/06/airbus-dassault-tapped-to-pin-down-franco-german-fighter-plans/

"Airbus, Dassault tapped to pin down Franco-German fighter plans

COLOGNE, Germany – The French and German defense chiefs announced a contract award to Airbus and Dassault on Wednesday to narrow down the two governments' vision of a common, sixth-generation aircraft.

The announcement moves the ambitious Future Combat Air System project further along, authorizing the contractor duo to come up with more concrete concepts for the future weapon's main elements. Those include the manned aircraft at the center of the project, unmanned drones swarming around it, and the data infrastructure tying all elements together.

The two-year deal is worth €65 million, or $74 million, and it is meant to lay the groundwork for demonstrator programs to be launched at the Paris Air Show in June, according to a joint Airbus-Dassault statement.

"FCAS is one of the most ambitious European defense programs of the century," Airbus Defense and Space chief Dirk Hoke was quoted as saying in the statement. "With today's contract signature, we are finally setting this high-technology program fully in motion.

Dassault Aviation head Eric Trappier touted his company's chops as "systems architect and integrator" in the statement – a likely reference to the prized job of overseeing how all components work together."This new step is the cornerstone to ensure tomorrow's European strategic autonomy."

The FCAS program is meant to replace France's Rafale and Germany's Eurofighter aircraft sometime around 2040. Officials have termed the envisioned aircraft a sixth-generation weapon. With it comes the ambition for the European industry to skip an aircraft generation, having never built a plane on par with the F-35.

For the moment the program is riding on the wave of enthusiasm for the Franco-German defense relationship envisioned by French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel. At the same time, cultural differences are beginning to bubble up that register anywhere between one country's boisterous assertiveness in global defense policy and the other's propensity for calculated hedging.

For example, French industry executives have complained that defense cooperation with Germany could hurt their chances of exporting the joint products to countries that Berlin considers rogue nations because of human rights abuses.

Meanwhile, the two countries' defense secretaries Florence Parly and Ursula von der Leyen also announced today that a team of Franco-German engine makers Safran and MTU would spearhead development of the future aircraft's propulsion system. The two governments expect to sign a contract for an engine demonstrator in mid-2019, according to a French defense ministry statement.

Parly and von der Leyen inaugurated a new Safran plan in Paris today where engineers will develop a new generation of turbine blades. The company received a €115 million, or $131 million, study contract toward that end."
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/02/2019 | 08:26 uur
Nach Absage an US-Kampfjet: Airbus winkt Milliardenauftrag der Bundeswehr

https://www.wiwo.de/23963638.html?share=twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/02/2019 | 10:07 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/02/2019 | 08:26 uur
Nach Absage an US-Kampfjet: Airbus winkt Milliardenauftrag der Bundeswehr


Tot een 120 nieuwe Typhoons voor de Duitse luchtmacht lijkt mij een ondergraving van het Frans-Duitse FCAS programma, immers elke nieuwe Typhoon zal 30-40 jaar mee moeten.

Tenzij men de luchtmacht aanzienlijk wil uitbreiden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/02/2019 | 10:21 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/02/2019 | 10:07 uur
Tot een 120 nieuwe Typhoons voor de Duitse luchtmacht lijkt mij een ondergraving van het Frans-Duitse FCAS programma, immers elke nieuwe Typhoon zal 30-40 jaar mee moeten.

Tenzij men de luchtmacht aanzienlijk wil uitbreiden.

Dat hoeft op zich niet. Voor de Tornado IDS en ECR zijn redelijk wat vervangers nodig. De nieuwe Typhoons kunnen gemakkelijk naast de FCAS vliegen. Er zijn immers genoeg huidige Typhoons die dan aan vervanging toe zijn.

Ze moeten in ieder geval er wel voor zorgen dat die nieuwe Typhoons dan wel over alle nieuwe mogelijkheden beschikken. Denk dan aan project Centurion waar de Britten mee bezig zijn geweest.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/02/2019 | 09:23 uur
German F-35 decision sacrifices NATO capability for Franco-German industrial cooperation

While the German decision last week to remove the Lockheed Martin F-35 from consideration as a replacement for 90 aging Tornado fighters solidifies Franco-German industrial cooperation, it could come at the expense of making Germany's Luftwaffe a less capable air force until at least 2040, when a new advanced Franco-German fighter becomes available.

The decision also places German domestic political considerations ahead of Germany's leadership role in NATO. This would be understandable for a nation that does not perceive a significant military threat from Russia, but it is disturbing for those who emphasize the need to maximize NATO's deterrent posture in the East. The decision should be reconsidered.

.../...

A strong Franco-German engine at the heart of European defense is to be encouraged. But it should not come at the expense of optimal NATO air power and deterrence. Nor should it come at the expense of broader NATO solidarity.

Germany should reconsider its F-35 decision and purchase at least enough F-35s to retain its leadership position in European air power and its familiarity with fifth-generation aircraft technology. Its European allies, who will also be negatively impacted, should weigh in. Failing this, a purchase of the F-18 would be a second-best option.

https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2019/02/08/german-f-35-decision-sacrifices-nato-capability-for-franco-german-industrial-cooperation/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/02/2019 | 18:24 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 11/02/2019 | 18:14 uur
Ik vraag me ook af in hoeverre het zeer offensieve karakter van de F35 hierin meespeelt. De Duitsers zien zichzelf immers nooit meer de aanval kiezen. Dat een tactisch aanvallende operatie strategisch defensief kan zijn, hoef je bij de meeste burgers niet mee aan te komen, die ben je direct kwijt.

Voor SEAD en de B61 missie is de F35 waarschijnlijk wel de beste keuze. Maar een ramp voor NATO is het niet. De Fransen hebben natuurlijk gelijk als ze stellen dat het geld maar een keer kan worden uitgegeven. En gezien de enorme bedragen gaat dit wel ten koste van de eigen innovatie. En als je NATO als een clubje horigen van de USA ziet, dan klopt het wel. Als je het als verbond tussen landen ziet is een Europese Defensie Industrie ook gewoon nodig, en in die zin is de Duitse keuze dus juist een investering in NATO capability, zij het in de lange termijn.

De Tornado IDS en Tornado ECR hebben toch ook een behoorlijk offensief karakter. De vervanger hiervan is tot op heden niet aangeduid als interim. Ongeacht de keuze moet deze wel future proof zijn. Overigens heeft Duitsland telkens de oorspronkelijke Typhoon order verkleind. Ze hadden het zichzelf gemakkelijker kunnen maken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 11/02/2019 | 19:13 uur
Dat gedonder met Frankrijk en Duitsland is een never-ending-story.

Stierenballen
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/02/2019 | 07:38 uur
Spain joins France, Germany on new combat fighter

http://f24.my/4PLo.T via @FRANCE24
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 12/02/2019 | 07:45 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/02/2019 | 07:38 uur
Spain joins France, Germany on new combat fighter

http://f24.my/4PLo.T via @FRANCE24

Enig kans dat NL ook aanschuift?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 12/02/2019 | 07:56 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 12/02/2019 | 07:45 uur
Enig kans dat NL ook aanschuift?
Dan moet de F35 wel zo enorm falen, men zal er alles aan doen om dat te voorkomen, is het project simpelweg te groot voor. Teveel imagoschade etc.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 12/02/2019 | 08:32 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 12/02/2019 | 07:56 uur
Dan moet de F35 wel zo enorm falen, men zal er alles aan doen om dat te voorkomen, is het project simpelweg te groot voor. Teveel imagoschade etc.

De Frans-Duitse toestel is naar mijn mening meer een 6th generation toestel terwijl de F35 5th generation is. Dus ook niet directe concurrenten van elkaar.

Bovendien duurt het nog wel 15-20 jaar voordat de toestel productie rijp is, hebben wij dan geen behoefte aan een nieuw toestel? Vooruit denken en op tijd instappen is misschien zo gek nog niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/02/2019 | 08:51 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 12/02/2019 | 07:45 uur
Enig kans dat NL ook aanschuift?

"The FCAS has a rival -- Britain's Tempest project which has been awarded to BAE Systems, and which Italy and the Netherlands have also joined"

http://f24.my/4PLo.T
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/02/2019 | 09:32 uur
Citaat van: France 24 op 12/02/2019 | 08:51 uur
"The FCAS has a rival -- Britain's Tempest project which has been awarded to BAE Systems, and which Italy and the Netherlands have also joined"

http://f24.my/4PLo.T

Maar wordt met Italië en Nederland echt de landen (de overheden) bedoeld of de herkomst van de diverse toeleveranciers?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/02/2019 | 10:12 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/02/2019 | 09:32 uur
Maar wordt met Italië en Nederland echt de landen (de overheden) bedoeld of de herkomst van de diverse toeleveranciers?

Goede vraag, het is stil in Nederland m.b.t. dit onderwerp.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 12/02/2019 | 10:22 uur
Als het aan mij ligt initiëren de Fransen en Duitsers een mooi Europees project waar de Nederlandse defensie industrie een bijdrage aan kan leveren.

Tempest evenzo.  Dus een deelname aan een of eventueel beide projecten zou toch wel mooi zijn, niet?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/02/2019 | 10:32 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 12/02/2019 | 10:22 uur
Als het aan mij ligt initiëren de Fransen en Duitsers een mooi Europees project waar de Nederlandse defensie industrie een bijdrage aan kan leveren.

Tempest evenzo.  Dus een deelname aan een of eventueel beide projecten zou toch wel mooi zijn, niet?

Prima, eten we van 2 walletjes.

Je mag wel de vraag stellen of 2 zesde (middelzware/zware) generatiekisten levensvatbaar voor Europa zijn.

Ik zou niet gek staan te kijken dat beide programma's in het volgende decennium samen gaan.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/02/2019 | 10:38 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/02/2019 | 10:32 uur
Je mag wel de vraag stellen of 2 zesde (middelzware/zware) generatiekisten levensvatbaar voor Europa zijn.

Ik zou niet gek staan te kijken dat beide programma's in het volgende decennium samen gaan.

Het samengaan van deze twee projecten is zeker iets dat niet kan worden uitgesloten. Om levensvatbaar te zijn, zullen er toch flink wat toestellen moeten worden verkocht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 12/02/2019 | 10:42 uur
Tot die tijd dicht tegen de britten aan schuren m.b.t dit project.

Ver van Franse invloed weg. Moet je kijken in welke houtgreep Duitsland als zit.

-afname markt direct beperkt voor huidige toestellen
-geen gevechtswaardige capaciteit voor luftwaffe voor een paar decennia
-opzij zetten van principes en dus afstappen van beleid


En er is nog geen vliegtuig in beeld of streep op papier ;D
Frankrijk  :dead:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/02/2019 | 10:42 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/02/2019 | 10:38 uur
Het samengaan van deze twee projecten is zeker iets dat niet kan worden uitgesloten. Om levensvatbaar te zijn, zullen er toch flink wat toestellen moeten worden verkocht.

Bedenk daarbij dat het ontwikkeltraject alleen al vele tientallen miljarden zal vragen, en dan is er nog geen kist gekocht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/02/2019 | 10:47 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/02/2019 | 10:42 uur
Bedenk daarbij dat het ontwikkeltraject alleen al vele tientallen miljarden zal vragen, en dan is er nog geen kist gekocht.

Hopelijk hebben ze ondertussen geleerd van de Eurofighter onderneming  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/02/2019 | 10:48 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 12/02/2019 | 10:42 uur
Tot die tijd dicht tegen de britten aan schuren m.b.t dit project.


Mee eens.

Het Frans, Duitse en inmiddels Spaanse project kan zo maar door onenigheid door dominantie in de prullenbak verdwijnen met als resultaat dat Frankrijks solo verder gaat (ze hebben immers ook een carrier variant nodig) en de rest van Europa zich aansluit bij de Engelsen.

Wanneer hebben we dit eerder gezien..... inderdaad, zowel bij de Tornado als bij de Typhoon, dus al decennia opgekropte onenigheid.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/02/2019 | 11:37 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 12/02/2019 | 10:42 uur
Tot die tijd dicht tegen de britten aan schuren m.b.t dit project.

Ver van Franse invloed weg. Moet je kijken in welke houtgreep Duitsland als zit.

-afname markt direct beperkt voor huidige toestellen
-geen gevechtswaardige capaciteit voor luftwaffe voor een paar decennia
-opzij zetten van principes en dus afstappen van beleid


En er is nog geen vliegtuig in beeld of streep op papier ;D
Frankrijk  :dead:

als die houdgreep, maar geen wurggreep wordt en daar ben ik bang voor ... De Fransen willen de regie !
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 12/02/2019 | 11:59 uur
Frankrijk gaat sowieso door met dit project en zal er alles aan doen om ervoor te zorgen dat zij het/de toestel(len) eruit halen die ze nodig hebben:
- voor de Armée de l'air en
- voor de Aéronavale - de dekslandingsvariant.
Daarin kunnen we ze eigenlijk geen ongelijk geven. Het is voor hen gewoon van levensnoodzakelijk belang.
Dassault zal wel met iets voor de proppen komen.

De Spanjaarden zie ik eerder als de zwakke partner... die hebben nu al moeite om hun bestaande vloot luchtwaardig/inzetbaar te houden.

En bij de Duitsers zit het hem echt in de politiek. Volgens mij hebben die wel veel technische kennis.
Maar of die op het niveau komt van wat de Amerikanen nu doen met de F-35... waardoor ik, als absolute leek, nog steeds niet overtuigd ben. We kopen 'em alvast wel allemaal maar... is het werkelijk de kist waarvan vanalles werd aangekondigd? En gaat die ooit de verwachtingen inlossen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/02/2019 | 12:06 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 12/02/2019 | 11:59 uur
En bij de Duitsers zit het hem echt in de politiek. Volgens mij hebben die wel veel technische kennis.
Maar of die op het niveau komt van wat de Amerikanen nu doen met de F-35... waardoor ik, als absolute leek, nog steeds niet overtuigd ben. We kopen 'em alvast wel allemaal maar... is het werkelijk de kist waarvan vanalles werd aangekondigd? En gaat die ooit de verwachtingen inlossen?

De Duitsers hebben veel luchtvaartkennis. Echter hebben zij zowel bij het Panavia consortium als het Eurofighter consortium veel hulp van de andere landen gehad.

Van welk type ben je niet overtuigd? De F-35 of de FCAS?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 12/02/2019 | 12:28 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 12/02/2019 | 07:45 uur
Enig kans dat NL ook aanschuift?
Ik ga er vanuit van niet.
Onze centjes zitten voorlopig al in de F35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/02/2019 | 12:39 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 12/02/2019 | 12:28 uur
Ik ga er vanuit van niet.
Onze centjes zitten voorlopig al in de F35.

Ik zie wel mogelijkheden voor "tranche 2 of 3"

Bedenk: tranche 1 operationeel rond 2040, tranche 2 zou dan rond 2055 kunnen instromen. Inmiddels is onze F35A dan al weer 30 jaar oud.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/02/2019 | 12:48 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/02/2019 | 12:39 uur
Bedenk: tranche 1 operationeel rond 2040, tranche 2 zou dan rond 2055 kunnen instromen. Inmiddels is onze F35A dan al weer 30 jaar oud.

Het zal wel mede afhangen van hoe lang Nederland meedoet met de modernisering van de F-35. 30 jaar was ooit erg lang, maar de gebruiksduur wordt ook alleen maar langer.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 12/02/2019 | 12:58 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/02/2019 | 12:06 uur
Van welk type ben je niet overtuigd? De F-35 of de FCAS?
F-35.
Maar dat komt mss nog... wanneer 'we' deze kist daadwerkelijk in SQNs/smaldelen ingedeeld hebben... dan is zijn we al een decennium verder en hebben de fabricanten en hun ingenieurs en technici werder kunnen ontwikkelen en verfijnen.
Feit is dat de meeste Europese landen die een nieuw toestel zochten de F-35 gekozen hebben en het daarmee zullen moeten (blijven) doen. Er was anders ook niet veel om uit te kiezen: Rafale/Typhoon-Eurofighter of Gripen.

Van FCAS al helemaal niet... dat komt mss ook nog.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/02/2019 | 13:05 uur
UK invites India to co-develop 6th-gen fighter aircraft Tempest

https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-defense-security-news/2019-news-aerospace-industry-air-force/february/4833-uk-invites-india-to-co-develop-6th-gen-fighter-aircraft-tempest.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 12/02/2019 | 13:06 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/02/2019 | 13:05 uur
UK invites India to co-develop 6th-gen fighter aircraft Tempest
https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-defense-security-news/2019-news-aerospace-industry-air-force/february/4833-uk-invites-india-to-co-develop-6th-gen-fighter-aircraft-tempest.html
Of hoe dit project meteen al de mist kan ingaan...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/02/2019 | 13:07 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 12/02/2019 | 12:58 uur
F-35.
Maar dat komt mss nog... wanneer 'we' deze kist daadwerkelijk in SQNs/smaldelen ingedeeld hebben... dan is zijn we al een decennium verder en hebben de fabricanten en hun ingenieurs en technici werder kunnen ontwikkelen en verfijnen.
Feit is dat de meeste Europese landen die een nieuw toestel zochten de F-35 gekozen hebben en het daarmee zullen moeten (blijven) doen. Er was anders ook niet veel om uit te kiezen: Rafale/Typhoon-Eurofighter of Gripen.

Van FCAS al helemaal niet... dat komt mss ook nog.

Over een paar dagen is Red Flag 19-1 voorbij. Daarna zal vast wel de F-35A ervaringen van 388th Fighter Wing bekend worden gemaakt. De wereld hoeft nu echt geen 10 jaar meer te wachten op wat de F-35 wel en niet kan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/02/2019 | 13:08 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 12/02/2019 | 13:06 uur
Of hoe dit project meteen al de mist kan ingaan...

Dat vind ik dan (vooralsnog) weer een "minder handige" uitnodiging.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/02/2019 | 17:04 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 12/02/2019 | 16:46 uur
Klopt, maar sensor capaciteit stijgt ook enorm.
Betekend dat die stealth straks achterhaald is, en het is de vraag in hoeverre die geupgrade kan worden.
Goede kans dat je gewoon moet vervangen, als je tegen 2050 nog met de top mee wil doen.

Stealth is maar een deel van het pakket. En als stealth in 2050 achterhaald is, dan geldt dat gelukkig niet alleen voor de F-22 en F-35. Er zijn wereldwijd meerdere stealth ontwerpen in ontwikkeling.

De sensoren van de F-35 kun je ook upgraden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/02/2019 | 18:51 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 12/02/2019 | 18:41 uur
Er zal altijd behoefte blijven aan een beperking op je zichtbaarheid voor vijandige sensoren.
Maar wat 30 jaar geleden top-notch was is dat nu niet meer. Blijven innoveren dus.

Dat klopt. Er is nog op veel vlakken ruimte voor innovatie en zien of de komende 30 jaar zal lopen zoals verwacht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 12/02/2019 | 19:17 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/02/2019 | 17:04 uur
Stealth is maar een deel van het pakket. En als stealth in 2050 achterhaald is, dan geldt dat gelukkig niet alleen voor de F-22 en F-35. Er zijn wereldwijd meerdere stealth ontwerpen in ontwikkeling.

De sensoren van de F-35 kun je ook upgraden.

Tegen die tijd heb je vliegtuigen die volledig van composiet materiaal zijn en dan heb je geen dure  stealth verf/lak meer nodig.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 13/02/2019 | 00:57 uur
Republic of Korea and Indonesia are Negotiating Changes to the KFX/IFX Fighter Program

TSAMTO - A delegation from Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) visited Jakarta to negotiate a renegotiation of the conditions for Indonesia's participation in the KFX / IFX Korean Fighter Xperiment / Indonesia Fighter Xperiment joint development and construction program. According to information and documents obtained by the Jane's Defense Weekly from a source on the Defense, Intelligence and Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Representatives of the Indonesian Parliament, the negotiations were held for two days (January 24 and 25).

Indonesia was represented at the meeting by the leaders of the state-owned company PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI), the Ministry of Defense of Indonesia, and the Ministry of Political, Legal and Security Coordination (POLHUKAM). The document that Jane's received indicates that Indonesia intends to propose to roll over its payment obligations under the program until 2031.

It is also expected that to further reduce the burden on the national defense budget, Indonesia will offer to make payments under the program through countertrade transactions instead of cash, by analogy with the strategy it implements when it purchases Su-35 fighters in Russia. In addition, Jakarta insists on the expansion of intellectual property rights to technologies developed under the program, with a view to their commercialization in the future.

In accordance with the initial agreement signed between the two countries in 2015, Indonesia is obliged to pay 20% of the total development costs, which is estimated to be about $ 8 billion. The South Korean government will pay 60% of the costs, and KAI will cover the remaining 20 %. In exchange for investments, Indonesia will gain access to the technologies and know-how developed under the program, as well as the right to acquire fighters.

According to current plans, the first prototype of the KFX / IFX is scheduled to roll out by 2021, flight tests begin in 2022, and production - in 2026. The document states that after the start of serial production, Indonesia intends to acquire an initial batch of 16 aircraft. Jakarta also insists PTDI grants sales of KFX / IFX aircraft to potential buyers outside Indonesia.

KAI announced the launch of the KFX program in 2001, the aircraft was originally conceived as a subtle twin-engined multi-role fighter. In 2011, the Republic of Korea concluded an agreement with Indonesia on cost-sharing for the development of KFX / IFX, and its combat use was supposed to begin in 2023. However, in 2012, the program faced financial difficulties and then President of the Republic of Korea Pak Geun-hye in early 2013 suspended its implementation. The program resumed in 2014, when the Republic of Korea and Indonesia signed a joint design and development agreement that governs the participation of countries in the program.

In 2018, Indonesian officials confirmed to national media that Jakarta did not fully pay for participation in the KFX / IFX program and the deficit was due to a reduction in the defense budget. In 2018, defense spending in Indonesia decreased by 12% compared with 2017 and amounted to $ 7.2 billion. At the same time, less than $ 1 billion was allocated for purchases, research and development. In the future, Indonesia intends to replenish the fleet of Russian-made aircraft with the KFX / IFX platform, and Seoul plans to replace the outdated F-4E "Phantom" and F-5E "Tiger-2" aircraft and, eventually, the F-16. As expected, the Air Force of the Republic of Korea will acquire up to 250 aircraft. About 350 KFX / IFX are expected to be exported.

[Source: defense-studies.blogspot.com ]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 13/02/2019 | 01:03 uur
Geen goede partner die Indonesiërs, uitstel van betalen, minder betalen maar wel meer TOT vragen. En dan ook nog eens betalen in goederen i.p.v. geld. Korea kan beter de kosten terug betalen die Indonesië gemaakt heeft en ze uit het project trappen. Het is niks en het word ook nooit iets dit. Ze betalen slechts 145 miljoen dollar voor dit hele project! Ze hebben plannen om 80 toestellen te kopen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/02/2019 | 08:43 uur
Hard Brexit would doom future merger of UK, Franco-German fighter projects-Airbus defence

https://www.euronews.com/2019/02/13/hard-brexit-would-doom-future-merger-of-uk-franco-german-fighter-projects-airbus-defence
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/02/2019 | 08:37 uur
Northrop Grumman To Develop Future F-35 Fighter Jet Engine

http://disq.us/t/3bmhewn
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/02/2019 | 09:49 uur
DoD to begin negotiations to buy 485 Lockheed Martin F-35s (Lot 15, 16 en 17)

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/dod-to-begin-negotiations-to-buy-485-lockheed-martin-455793/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/02/2019 | 09:55 uur
German Defense Policy at a Crossroads: The Tornado Successor Issue

https://sldinfo.com/2019/02/german-defense-policy-at-a-crossroads-the-tornado-successor-issue/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/02/2019 | 11:28 uur
Gripen E enters serial production as Saab targets sales

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/gripen-e-enters-serial-production-as-saab-targets-sa-455831/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/02/2019 | 11:49 uur
Taking sides: Italian defense industry rep attacks Franco-German fighter deal

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/02/15/taking-sides-italian-defense-industry-rep-attacks-franco-german-fighter-deal/#.XGfqd89kj4Q.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/02/2019 | 11:50 uur
Tempest's unmanned 'loyal wingmen' to be carrier capable | Jane's 360

https://www.janes.com/article/86417/tempest-s-unmanned-loyal-wingmen-to-be-carrier-capable#.XGfq6QKn4Yo.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 16/02/2019 | 11:57 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/02/2019 | 11:50 uur
Tempest's unmanned 'loyal wingmen' to be carrier capable | Jane's 360

https://www.janes.com/article/86417/tempest-s-unmanned-loyal-wingmen-to-be-carrier-capable#.XGfq6QKn4Yo.twitter

Dat kan 2 dingen betekenen :
- loyal wingmen worden STOVL/VTOL
- de QE's worden omgebouwd voor het lanceren van UAV's en/of vliegtuigen

In beide gevallen een interessante ontwikkeling, ik blijf het raar vinden van de Britten dat ze nooit de echte carriers hebben gebouwd maar de skyjump versies. De QE's zijn geschikte CATOBAR ontwerpen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/02/2019 | 12:10 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 16/02/2019 | 11:57 uur
ik blijf het raar vinden van de Britten dat ze nooit de echte carriers hebben gebouwd maar de skyjump versies. De QE's zijn geschikte CATOBAR ontwerpen.

Het was slechts geld, maar idd wat mij betreft een gemiste kans.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 16/02/2019 | 12:25 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 16/02/2019 | 11:57 uur
Dat kan 2 dingen betekenen :
- loyal wingmen worden STOVL/VTOL
- de QE's worden omgebouwd voor het lanceren van UAV's en/of vliegtuigen

In beide gevallen een interessante ontwikkeling, ik blijf het raar vinden van de Britten dat ze nooit de echte carriers hebben gebouwd maar de skyjump versies. De QE's zijn geschikte CATOBAR ontwerpen.

Een kleine UAV kan ook opstijgen van een LHD.

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh5.ggpht.com%2F_YswGjHMEKh0%2FSTNLW-cWWKI%2FAAAAAAAAAN0%2FxWEXMAECHOE%2Fs800%2FSHIP_LHD_Canberras_Concept_Mission_UAV_lg.jpg&hash=ad1aed8d7ade35fdfc745e11a423f4d7075f1f46)

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 16/02/2019 | 12:33 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 16/02/2019 | 12:25 uur
Een kleine UAV kan ook opstijgen van een LHD.


Dat kan maar wat versta jij onder een kleine UAV?  De Amerikanen bekijken het wingmen concept ook al enige tijd en daar denken ze aan varianten van de Avenger, MQ-25 Stingray of X-47B.
Die toestellen krijg je niet van de grond zonder hulp van een catapult.  Nu heeft Lockheed ook ontwikkelingen op gebied van STOVL UAV / UCAV's maar dat zijn niet meer dan concepten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/02/2019 | 23:14 uur
The First Reports Of How The F-35 Strutted Its Stuff In Dogfights Against Aggressors At Red Flag Are Starting To Emerge:

https://theaviationist.com/2019/02/16/the-first-reports-of-how-the-f-35-strutted-its-stuff-in-dogfights-against-aggressors-at-red-flag-are-starting-to-emerge/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/02/2019 | 12:37 uur
How the 'Block' 4 F-35 Stealth Fighter Could Become A Navy Killer (And Much More)

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/how-block-4-f-35-stealth-fighter-could-become-navy-killer-and-much-more-44737
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 17/02/2019 | 20:08 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/02/2019 | 23:14 uur
The First Reports Of How The F-35 Strutted Its Stuff In Dogfights Against Aggressors At Red Flag Are Starting To Emerge:

https://theaviationist.com/2019/02/16/the-first-reports-of-how-the-f-35-strutted-its-stuff-in-dogfights-against-aggressors-at-red-flag-are-starting-to-emerge/
Zijn er mensen met meer verstand van zaken op dit forum die hier hun licht over kunnen laten schijnen? Een 20-1 K:D rato klinkt zeer indrukwekkend.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 17/02/2019 | 20:13 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 17/02/2019 | 20:08 uur
Zijn er mensen met meer verstand van zaken op dit forum die hier hun licht over kunnen laten schijnen? Een 20-1 K:D rato klinkt zeer indrukwekkend.

Zien zonder gezien worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 17/02/2019 | 20:25 uur
En vooral een superieure Observe - Orientate - Decide - Act (OODA) loop / cyclus.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 17/02/2019 | 21:33 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 17/02/2019 | 20:25 uur
En vooral een superieure Observe - Orientate - Decide - Act (OODA) loop / cyclus.

De OODA loop is iets wat individuen/ organisaties toepassen. Als je zegt dat de vlieger de OODA loop gebruikt heb je gelijk maar het is niet op de capaciteiten van het toestel te plakken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 18/02/2019 | 00:23 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 17/02/2019 | 20:13 uur
Zien zonder gezien worden.
Zoveel snap ik, maar waar ik wat meer op doelde: er wordt aangegeven in het artikel dat niet duidelijk is wat de rules of engagement waren. Ook wordt er niet gesproken wat de tegenstanders waren die de F-35 vliegers tegen zich hadden; waren dat andere vijandelijke 5e generatie kisten, alleen westerse kisten, was de gesimuleerde grondeenheid van bijvoorbeeld het kaliber S-400, etc.? Daarom kan ik de huidige K:D rato niet plaatsen en dus ook niet echt beoordelen of deze realistisch is of ook echt iets zegt over toekomstige praktijkprestaties.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/02/2019 | 12:34 uur
French Rafales conduct first Meteor firings

https://www.janes.com/article/86432/french-rafales-conduct-first-meteor-firings
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 18/02/2019 | 13:38 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 18/02/2019 | 00:23 uur
Zoveel snap ik, maar waar ik wat meer op doelde: er wordt aangegeven in het artikel dat niet duidelijk is wat de rules of engagement waren. Ook wordt er niet gesproken wat de tegenstanders waren die de F-35 vliegers tegen zich hadden; waren dat andere vijandelijke 5e generatie kisten, alleen westerse kisten, was de gesimuleerde grondeenheid van bijvoorbeeld het kaliber S-400, etc.? Daarom kan ik de huidige K:D rato niet plaatsen en dus ook niet echt beoordelen of deze realistisch is of ook echt iets zegt over toekomstige praktijkprestaties.

Maakt volgens mij ook niet uit. die info hoeft ook niet iedereen te weten. De info zal alleen duidelijk zijn die bekend zijn met de "flag"oefeningen en weten hoe ze min of meer zijn opgebouwd.
Enigste wat ik hier zo uit lees is dat het vrij moeilijk is om de F35 te zien en te stoppen als hij zijn ding doet tijdens deze oefening. Wat ik dan wel weer mis was de Kill ratio van bijvoorbeeld de andere deelnemende vliegtuigen, wat dat zou enig inzicht in het geboden oefendoel kunnen geven, maar dat is al eerder aangegeven.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/02/2019 | 15:27 uur
Boeing Gets U.S. DoD Greenlight to Propose EA-18G Growler to Finland

https://www.navalnews.com/news/2019/02/boeing-gets-u-s-dod-greenlight-to-propose-ea-18g-growler-to-finland/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/02/2019 | 15:45 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 18/02/2019 | 15:27 uur
Boeing Gets U.S. DoD Greenlight to Propose EA-18G Growler to Finland

https://www.navalnews.com/news/2019/02/boeing-gets-u-s-dod-greenlight-to-propose-ea-18g-growler-to-finland/

Zouden ze deze Growler nu ook nog aan onze Oosterburen aanbieden ?

Al hoewel, eigenlijk weten we dat er waarschijnlijk extra Eurofighters gekocht zullen worden en vol ingezet wordt op de DU/FR samenwerking. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/02/2019 | 15:50 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 18/02/2019 | 15:45 uur
Zouden ze deze Growler nu ook nog aan onze Oosterburen aanbieden ?

Al hoewel, eigenlijk weten we dat er waarschijnlijk extra Eurofighters gekocht zullen worden en vol ingezet wordt op de DU/FR samenwerking.

Als het specifiek om vervanging van de Tornado ECR gaat, dan zou de Growler een interessante kandidaat zijn. Door de uitsluiting van de F-35 zie ik de Typhoon als enigste vervangingskandidaat van de Tornado IDS.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 18/02/2019 | 18:43 uur
Fransen zullen voor elke Amerikaanse aankoop gaan liggen die wij gaan doen. Daar heeft nu vooral DU 'last' van omdat de 2 leidende staten in Europa eerst elkaar duidelijk willen maken dat ze er toch 'echt van zijn' in de EU.

Eenmaal Duitsland is geFransifeert en niet meer mokt, zijn wij aan de beurt. Elke Amerikaanse aankoop zal worden bestempelt als on-Europees en niet in lijn met de afspraken. Duurt even, rond 2030-2040, als de EU in deze vorm blijft bestaan, zal er weinig Amerikaans materieel meer te vinden zijn in de wensenlijstjes.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 18/02/2019 | 18:46 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 18/02/2019 | 18:43 uur
Fransen zullen voor elke Amerikaanse aankoop gaan liggen die wij gaan doen. Daar heeft nu vooral DU 'last' van omdat de 2 leidende staten in Europa eerst elkaar duidelijk willen maken dat ze er toch 'echt van zijn' in de EU.

Eenmaal Duitsland is geFransifeert en niet meer mokt, zijn wij aan de beurt. Elke Amerikaanse aankoop zal worden bestempelt als on-Europees en niet in lijn met de afspraken. Duurt even, rond 2030-2040, als de EU in deze vorm blijft bestaan, zal er weinig Amerikaans materieel meer te vinden zijn in de wensenlijstjes.

Ik heb geen moeite met een Europese vervanger van de F-35 of al bij de plannen die nu op stapel liggen voor vervanging maar het moet dan net zo goed zijn en ook voor dezelfde prijzen als het Amerikaanse aanbod. Natuurlijk moeten ook dezelfde deals mogelijk zijn waardoor onze industrie er van profiteert en niet alleen die van de grote landen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 18/02/2019 | 18:55 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 18/02/2019 | 18:46 uur
Ik heb geen moeite met een Europese vervanger van de F-35 of al bij de plannen die nu op stapel liggen voor vervanging maar het moet dan net zo goed zijn en ook voor dezelfde prijzen als het Amerikaanse aanbod. Natuurlijk moeten ook dezelfde deals mogelijk zijn waardoor onze industrie er van profiteert en niet alleen die van de grote landen.

Het punt is dat we qua luchtvaart gewoon achterlopen op de VS, op teveel punten.
Ik vind het een begrijpelijke ontwikkeling, het betekent wel dat er gewoon enorm veel geinvesteerd zal moeten worden in avionica, bewapening en straalmotoren, radar detectie en het vermijden ervan, ontwerp, de hele sector is peanuts vergeleken met die van de VS.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 18/02/2019 | 19:00 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 18/02/2019 | 18:55 uur
Het punt is dat we qua luchtvaart gewoon achterlopen op de VS, op teveel punten.
Ik vind het een begrijpelijke ontwikkeling, het betekent wel dat er gewoon enorm veel geinvesteerd zal moeten worden in avionica, bewapening en straalmotoren, radar detectie en het vermijden ervan, ontwerp, de hele sector is peanuts vergeleken met die van de VS.

Ik ben er ook voorstander van om die achterstand in te lopen, het gaat veel tijd en geld kosten maar het is haalbaar als de hele EU samenwerkt. Als we beginnen bij het non-combat deel (transport ) van de van de militaire luchtvaart en de onbemande systemen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 18/02/2019 | 19:04 uur
Daarvoor is dat Europese pool budget voor Defensie investeringen stap 1. Samen ontwerpen, het aftrappen is stap 2. Afname van toestellen is stap 3, en vervolgens is het de bedoeling dat de bedrijven daaruit weer ontwikkelen met geplande afnames en op basis daarvan doorgroeien. Gaat nog wel minimaal 2 generaties duren voordat we echt bij zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/02/2019 | 19:27 uur
The U.S. Air Force plans to order new F-15 fighters for the first time since 2001, raising questions about why it's pursuing the costly F-35

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-19/air-force-wants-eight-upgraded-boeing-fighters-along-with-f-35s via @bpolitics
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 20/02/2019 | 04:25 uur
@BabakTaghvaee

Citaat#BREAKING: Following to an old plan dating back to 2018, #LockheedMartin will buy #Turkey's six F-35As to sell them to #Israel in 2020. Today, #US President #Trump signed a bill for blocking delivery of F-35As to #Turkey till Nov. in case of S-400 SAM delivery by #Russia in July.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 20/02/2019 | 06:08 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 20/02/2019 | 04:25 uur
@BabakTaghvaee

Ah mooi nieuws. Kijken hoe de Sukhoi school ze gaat bevallen  :cute-smile: met hun grote waffel.

En die presentatie  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: artemivanov op 20/02/2019 | 07:41 uur

Stap richting de uitgang
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/02/2019 | 09:56 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/02/2019 | 10:00 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 20/02/2019 | 04:25 uur
@BabakTaghvaee

Citaat

#BREAKING: Following to an old plan dating back to 2018, #LockheedMartin will buy #Turkey's six F-35As to sell them to #Israel in 2020. Today, #US President #Trump signed a bill for blocking delivery of F-35As to #Turkey till Nov. in case of S-400 SAM delivery by #Russia in July.

https://ahvalnews.com/turkey-usa/trump-signs-bill-blocking-transfer-f-35-fighter-jets-turkey
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/02/2019 | 20:16 uur
Air Force chief defends F-35A against critics, boasting kills at Red Flag

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2019/02/20/air-force-chief-defends-f-35a-against-complaints-boasting-kills-at-red-flag/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/02/2019 | 12:33 uur
MTU sees benefits from joint European future fighter (MTU ziet combi FCAS en Tempest programma's)

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/mtu-sees-benefits-from-joint-european-future-fighter-455979/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 21/02/2019 | 15:56 uur
Complementary Airpower: The Case for the F-15X

America depends on airpower. Airpower underpins the military options leaders use to enhance deterrence and if deterrence fails, to fight and win with minimum casualties.

A key element of America's airpower is the fighter force. Historically, fighter aircraft development has shaped militaries and tactics like no other combat system. Today's emerging technologies, concepts of operations (CONOPs), and tactics, techniques and procedures (TTPs) have increased fighter effectiveness to extraordinary levels.

The U.S. Air Force flies a mix of 4th and 5th "generation" fighters. The 4th gen F-15, F-16 and A-10 fleet is very capable and continues to be the backbone of today's force. Fourth gen fighters fill the majority of the combatant commander (COCOM) taskings including homeland air defense alert and expeditionary taskings worldwide. The smaller fleet of 5th gen fighters are "low density/high demand" with 187 F-22s and 150+ F-35s. Stealth and sensor fusion technologies make them the most lethal and survivable fighters in the world. The Air Force intends to continue procuring 48+ F-35s per year and upgrading the F-22. Up to this point, the complementary mix of a small but stealthy 5th gen fleet combined with a large fleet of very capable 4thgen fighters has proven adequate in meeting today's warfighting needs.

Unfortunately, today's fighter force mix, despite increasing numbers of F-35s over time and upgraded F-22s, will likely not be enough to meet future needs.  Specifically:
1. Current operations tempo for the entire fighter fleet remains high without any relief in sight.
2. Future fighter availability will be reduced or restricted due to needed upgrades, including the F-22 and early models of the F-35. 
3. 4thgen maintenance and operating costs continue to climb, and upgrades are costly, time-consuming and potentially cost may prohibitive.
4. Adversaries continue to invest in technologies designed to find, fix, target and engage 5thgen fighters.  This will minimize and could totally deny the asymmetric advantages we have today.
5. 5thgen weapons internal weapons load capacity is limited.
6. 5thgen procurement will continue to be constrained by production and budget limitations, particularly in the short term. 
7. 5thgen cost per flying hour (CPFH) is significantly higher than the F-15X, and CPFH for 4th gen fleet is increasing significantly as they get older.

One clear solution to mitigate these challenges is the immediate introduction of Boeing's F-15X into the current fighter force. While DoD was focused on getting the F-35 IOC and increasing inventory, Boeing continued to improve the capability and capacity of one of the most successful fighters in history. The F-15X is a 4th gen ++ fighter that will significantly complement the capabilities of the current fighter force with better sensors, more weapons capacity, reliable data links, and extended range.  In addition, the F-15X will provide relief to the 5th gen fleet from missions that do not require stealth but require advanced sensors, weapons, datalinks, and range to optimize effectiveness and survivability.

The F-15X is the common-sense answer to the limitations of both the current and future fighter force. Ten specific reasons include:

1. It is immediately available, affordable and sustainable without additional training for aircrews and maintenance personnel.
2. It is an aircraft with a combat-proven track record and an incredible 20,000-hour airframe life.
3. It can deliver more weapons to any fight because it is not restricted by the number of hardpoints available in constrained 5thgen fighter weapon bays. 
4. The bed down will not require significant infrastructure improvements or new ground support equipment.
5. The F-15X mission computer can instantaneously process and pass data on the Link 16 data link. This robust capability degrades the effects of ever-increasing adversary threat spoofing and jamming.  In addition, it can readily integrate, share and extend the Link 16 network to other US, coalition and partner fighters.  The F-35 has Link 16 capability, the F-22 has an aircraft-specific data link. 
6. The F-15X EPAWSS (Eagle Passive-Active Warning Survivability System) is an impressive electronic warfare (EW) and integrated countermeasure system (ICS) suite that makes the F-15X more survivable without dedicated assistance to survive. In addition, it can help support the EW tactical game plan of the 5thgen fleet. 
7. The F-15X will provide needed redundancy and significant additional fighter capability and capacity if adversaries are successful in degrading our current 5thgen advantages and effectiveness.
8. F-15X capabilities will significantly expand force mix options, CONOPs, and TTPs for warfighters planning across the full spectrum of military conflict. This will make the enemy's job even more difficult if not impossible to overcome.
9. As a future FMS fighter option, it can help build partnership capacity with allies and partners who do not need, want or cannot afford a 5thgen fighter.
10. Retaining another active fighter production line with the F-15X will help sustain a diverse industrial base and provide the needed capacity to defeat great power, near-peer adversaries as described in the National Defense Strategy (NDS)

Adding the F-15X to the current 4th and 5th gen fighter mix is a reasonable and affordable way to ensure the viability and strength of the future fighter force. Many will argue we cannot afford to add another fighter to our current inventory. However, adding the F-15X is really about adding needed capability so that today's 4th and 5th gen fighter mix is ready to meet future warfighting requirements. Considering the possibility of an existential great power, near-peer conflict with China or Russia as described in the NDS, I say we have no choice.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2019/02/21/complementary_airpower_the_case_for_the_f-15x_114201.html?utm_source=RC+Defense+Morning+Recon&utm_campaign=399a9f5c52-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_02_20_07_42&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_694f73a8dc-399a9f5c52-85340453
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/02/2019 | 21:36 uur
Oregon F-15 Fired Millions Worth Of Missiles Into The Sea Before Emergency Landing (zie ook de prijzen)

http://thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26597/oregon-f-15-fired-millions-worth-of-missiles-into-the-sea-before-emergency-landing
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 24/02/2019 | 13:21 uur
Saab op koers met Gripen E

Saab ligt op koers met de productieplannen van de nieuwste variant van de Gripen, de JAS39E/F. Dat maakte Hakan Buskhe, CEO van de defensie tak van het Zweedse bedrijf vorige week bekend.

Gripen E
De Gripen E, een doorontwikkeling van de Saab JAS-39 Gripen, wordt sinds begin dit jaar geproduceerd. De Zweedse luchtmacht heeft een order uitstaan voor 60 exemplaren van dit nieuwe model. Naar verwachting zullen de eerste toestellen vanaf 2021 in dienst komen bij de Zweedse luchtmacht. De 'Initial operational capability' zal vanaf 2023 zijn en vanaf dat moment is de Gripen E beperkt inzetbaar. Het is mogelijk dat deze order wordt uitgebreid. De Zweedse Commandant der Strijdkrachten heeft onlangs aangegeven dat hij kijkt naar een optie voor nog eens 60 stuks.

Brazilië
Ook Brazilië heeft een order geplaatst voor 36 Gripen E (eenzitsmodel) en Gripen F (tweezitsvariant) toestellen. Saab is voor deze order een samenwerkingsverband aangegaan met het Braziliaanse Embraer. Uiterlijk in 2024 moeten alle toestellen afgeleverd zijn aan de Braziliaanse luchtmacht (Força Aérea Brasileira). Saab is nog in onderhandeling met Brazilië over een aanvullende order.

Export-kandidaten
SAAB hoopt de Gripen E/F aan nog meer landen te kunnen verkopen. Eén van de mogelijke kopers is Zwitserland. SAAB was eerder al in de running om de Gripen C/D te leveren, ter vervanging van de F-5 Tiger. Een referendum in 2014 onder de Zwitserse bevolking hield dat in echter tegen. Behalve de F-5 is nu echter ook de F/A-18 Hornet bijna aan vervanging toe, dus mag de Zweedse vliegtuigfabrikant het nogmaals proberen. Het Zwitserse volk mag in een nieuw referendum wederom een stem uitbrengen, al zal de regering uiteindelijk mogen beslissen welk type gevechtsvliegtuig wordt aangeschaft. SAAB biedt Zwitserland tussen de 30 en 40 Gripens aan. Een beslissing hierover wordt in de loop van volgend jaar verwacht.

Canada
Canada is ook gebruiker van de F/A-18 Hornet en daar gaat het proces van de vervanging ook niet soepel. Recentelijk heeft Canada namelijk als tussenoplossing tweedehands Hornets overgenomen van Australië. Behalve SAAB dingen ook andere fabrikanten mee om de Canadese order: Eurofighter met de Typhoon, Boeing met de F/A-18E/F Super Hornet en Lockheed Martin met de F-35.

Finland
Een andere F/A-18 Hornet gebruiker is Finland, dat voor 2021 een keuze zal maken over een opvolger. SAAB biedt Finland 64 Gripens aan. Ook hier heeft de Zweedse vliegtuigfabrikant stevige concurrentie van Boeing. Het Amerikaanse bedrijf heeft namelijk toestemming gekregen van de Amerikaanse overheid om na Australië ook Finland de optie te bieden om de EA-18G Growler aan te schaffen.

India
In 2008 verloor SAAB de competitie van Dassault, dat een order binnensleepte van de Indiase luchtmacht voor 126 Rafale gevechtsvliegtuigen. Uiteindelijk werd deze bestelling teruggebracht tot 36 toestellen. India heeft nu een nieuwe selectieprocedure gestart, ditmaal voor 110 toestellen ter vervanging van de MiG-21 en MiG-27. Belangrijke voorwaarde voor India is dat de productie grotendeels (85%) in India kan plaatsvinden. Als India voor de Gripen E kiest, belooft SAAB bovendien een volledige overdracht van technologie.

Kroatië
Als laatste kijkt Saab naar de wensen van Kroatië. Dit land had een deal om tweedehands F-16's over te nemen van Israel. De Amerikaanse overheid blokkeerde deze deal echter, vanwege de upgrades die in de Israelische toestellen zijn geplaatst. Het land moet dus opnieuw op zoek naar een opvolger voor de sterk verouderde Mig-21 vloot.

https://www.upinthesky.nl/2019/02/23/saab-op-koers-met-gripen-e%EF%BB%BF-achtergrond/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 24/02/2019 | 16:12 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 17/02/2019 | 21:33 uur
De OODA loop is iets wat individuen/ organisaties toepassen. Als je zegt dat de vlieger de OODA loop gebruikt heb je gelijk maar het is niet op de capaciteiten van het toestel te plakken.
De US Navy zegt:
"Advanced designs and software integrate sensors and communications in a sophisticated manner to both ease the transfer of information and present massive amounts of data in a coherent manner.

Presentation of tactical information is a key element of the JSF design.  While glass panel instrumentation remains a leading feature of the JSF cockpit, a new helmet produced by Visual Systems International will provide the pilot with critical aircraft performance indicators, as well as threat and targeting information, in a more intuitive manner. The objective of the helmet's design was to increase pilot awareness of his entire environment and to allow him to focus on tracking targets vice monitoring the aircraft.
The aircraft itself, through the fusion of instrumenta- tion, was intended to become an extension of the pilot's own senses and body.  New upgrades to weapons, both air to air missiles as well as air to ground ordnance, were designed to fire and hit targets off-axis, which is to say that the air- craft need not be oriented at its enemy in order to engage it. If successful, this tightening of the observe-orientate-decide-act (OODA) loop would repre- sent a true leap ahead by the Joint Strike Fighter in air warfare over the fourth generation aircraft, such as the F-14 Tomcat and A-6 Intruder, it was designated to replace."
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/02/2019 | 20:05 uur
Italy could join Team Tempest

https://www.defensenews.com/newsletters/tv-next-episode/2019/02/25/italy-could-join-team-tempest/#.XHQ7UZcFnNw.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 26/02/2019 | 10:53 uur
Interessante "ontwikkelingen" voor SAABs Gripen E/F.
Ik hoop dat er meer geinteresseerden zich melden.
De Finnen zouden een interessante klant kunnen worden: naast de deur.
De Kroaten...
Brazilianen: dat zal van de regering/economische situatie afhangen... mochten beiden positief zijn kan daar zeker nog een tweede batch aan toegevoegd worden. Gripen M zal te ver gegrepen zijn... Tenzij...
Tenzij "het iets wordt" met die Indiers :)   Er zijn te veel "tenzijs / ifs"...

Italianen en de Tempest... ergens een logisch gevolg van een Tornado-medegebruiker. Op meerdere paarden wedden is altijd goed.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/02/2019 | 11:03 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 26/02/2019 | 10:53 uur
Interessante "ontwikkelingen" voor SAABs Gripen E/F.
Ik hoop dat er meer geinteresseerden zich melden.
De Finnen zouden een interessante klant kunnen worden: naast de deur.

Finland is sinds het gebruik van de F/A-18C/D Hornet ook erg gericht op Amerikaans materieel. Het zal er om hangen wat de Hornet vervanger wordt.

Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 26/02/2019 | 10:53 uur
Italianen en de Tempest... ergens een logisch gevolg van een Tornado-medegebruiker. Op meerdere paarden wedden is altijd goed.

De Tempest is voor Italië de vervanger van de Typhoon. De F-35A en F-35B van hun luchtmacht vervangt de Tornado IDS/ECR en de AMX.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 26/02/2019 | 12:16 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 26/02/2019 | 11:03 uur
Finland is sinds het gebruik van de F/A-18C/D Hornet ook erg gericht op Amerikaans materieel. Het zal er om hangen wat de Hornet vervanger wordt.
Met het kunnen/mogen aanbieden van de EA-18G Growler hebben ze idd een interessant pakket.
De Zweden zullen met iets op de proppen moeten komen.

Citaat van: Sparkplug op 26/02/2019 | 11:03 uur
De Tempest is voor Italië de vervanger van de Typhoon. De F-35A en F-35B van hun luchtmacht vervangt de Tornado IDS/ECR en de AMX.
De F-35B vervangt de AV-8B.
Wat de F-35A betreft had ik het idd mis.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/02/2019 | 12:34 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 26/02/2019 | 12:16 uur
De F-35B vervangt de AV-8B.
Wat de F-35A betreft had ik het idd mis.

De AV-8B Plus van de Italiaanse marine wordt inderdaad door 15 F-35B's vervangen. Echter krijgt de Italiaanse luchtmacht ook 15 F-35B's.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/02/2019 | 13:11 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 26/02/2019 | 10:53 uur
Interessante "ontwikkelingen" voor SAABs Gripen E/F.
Ik hoop dat er meer geinteresseerden zich melden.
De Finnen zouden een interessante klant kunnen worden: naast de deur.
De Kroaten...
Brazilianen: dat zal van de regering/economische situatie afhangen... mochten beiden positief zijn kan daar zeker nog een tweede batch aan toegevoegd worden. Gripen M zal te ver gegrepen zijn... Tenzij...
Tenzij "het iets wordt" met die Indiers :)   Er zijn te veel "tenzijs / ifs"...

Italianen en de Tempest... ergens een logisch gevolg van een Tornado-medegebruiker. Op meerdere paarden wedden is altijd goed.

Nee, daar is veel meer aan de hand.
Italianen zijn best pissed omdat ze zijn 'buitengesloten' door de deal tussen Fra en Du.
De Relaties tussen Fra en ITA is nu echt een ramp, nog nooit zo slecht geweest sinds WW2, en dan quote ik een Franse politieke uitspraak.

De Italianen bij Tempest is hier een logisch gevolg van.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/02/2019 | 14:00 uur
Spain receives first upgraded Tranche 1 Eurofighter (let ook op de diverse Spaanse out of service dates (OSD))

https://www.janes.com/article/86847/spain-receives-first-upgraded-tranche-1-eurofighter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/02/2019 | 14:05 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 26/02/2019 | 14:00 uur
(let ook op de diverse Spaanse out of service dates (OSD))


Sluit dus, vooralsnog, goed aan bij FCAS.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 26/02/2019 | 19:49 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 26/02/2019 | 10:53 uur
Interessante "ontwikkelingen" voor SAABs Gripen E/F.
Ik hoop dat er meer geinteresseerden zich melden.
De Finnen zouden een interessante klant kunnen worden: naast de deur.
De Kroaten...
Brazilianen: dat zal van de regering/economische situatie afhangen... mochten beiden positief zijn kan daar zeker nog een tweede batch aan toegevoegd worden. Gripen M zal te ver gegrepen zijn... Tenzij...
Tenzij "het iets wordt" met die Indiërs :)   Er zijn te veel "tenzijs / ifs"...

Persoonlijk denk ik dat de Indiërs hun lesje wel geleerd hebben met Dassault . Er werden afspraken gemaakt voor 126 exemplaren, die onder licentie in India zullen geassembleerd worden. Het contract is nooit ondertekend omdat Dassault geen garanties wilde geven voor de toestellen die in India zouden worden geproduceerd. Saab heeft bewezen met de export order in Brazilië dat men openstaat voor een licentie.

Wat betreft de Gripen M, hier wat meer info daarover.

https://saab.com/air/gripen-fighter-system/gripen/gripen-maritime/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 26/02/2019 | 20:20 uur
Nog wat meer info over de Gripen M.

INDIAN NAVY TAKE NOTE: SAAB CONTINUES REFINING GRIPEN MARITIME

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2018/03/watch-out-indian-navy-saab-continues.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/02/2019 | 09:01 uur
Lockheed expects F-35 flying costs will take time to come down

http://po.st/SK1Ahm via @ChannelNewsAsia
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/02/2019 | 09:04 uur
How the US Air Force's Kessel Run team plans to solve one of the F-35 program's biggest headaches

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/02/27/how-the-us-air-forces-kessel-run-team-plans-to-solve-one-of-the-f-35-programs-biggest-headaches/#.XHZEVStow0g.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/02/2019 | 09:42 uur
Keeping the F-35 Ahead of the Bad Guys (nieuws over Block 4 dat komende april begint)

http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2019/March%202019/Keeping-the-F-35-Ahead-of-the-Bad-Guys.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/02/2019 | 16:59 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/02/2019 | 20:06 uur
The US Air Force doesn't want F-15X. But it needs more fighter jets.

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/air-warfare-symposium/2019/02/28/the-air-force-doesnt-want-f-15x-but-it-needs-more-fighter-jets/#.XHgxBvNFGxY.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/02/2019 | 20:51 uur
Poland Making Steps Towards Procuring 32 F-35 Fifth Generation Jets?:

https://theaviationist.com/2019/02/28/poland-making-steps-towards-procuring-32-f-35-fifth-generation-jets/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 28/02/2019 | 21:43 uur
En ze vonden de patriot al duul
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/03/2019 | 09:39 uur
Navy Declares Initial Operational Capability for F-35C Joint Strike Fighter (en weer een stap verder voor VFA-147 Argonauts)

https://news.usni.org/2019/02/28/navy-declares-initial-operational-capability-for-f-35c-joint-strike-fighter

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 01/03/2019 | 12:17 uur
Dassault chief warns on creating 'Eurofighter 2.0' for FCAS work   (opzich heeft hij wel gelijk, maar ... France is de "leader" )

Additional partners could still be brought into the ongoing effort to develop a European future fighter aircraft, but lead company Dassault has warned against overcomplicating the project.

France and Germany agreed to jointly develop a Future Combat Air System (FCAS) in 2018, comprising both manned and unmanned assets. Dassault and Airbus Defence & Space are the industrial champions.

Spain joined the pair last month, with Airbus almost certain to be Madrid's industry representative as well.

But Eric Trappier, Dassault chief executive, warns against complicating the project's make-up, noting that a "twosome is hard and a threesome is even harder".

He says a small "flexible" set-up would allow it to be "effective" and under those circumstances "maybe we can challenge the Americans".

"If we are working together in a big team of co-operation, I don't feel that this is going to be effective.

"I don't want to start again something which should look like the Eurofighter [consortium]."

That multinational structure would not "be the proper one", he says: "We need to organise the job in the same way as if we were one country or company."

Admitting Spain to the project was easier on one level because Airbus is also its industrial representative, says Trappier, "so it doesn't change so much the relationship" between the pair.

He does not rule out further expansion of the consortium, citing Dassault's experience leading the six-country effort on the Neuron unmanned combat air vehicle demonstrator, but stresses that clear objectives are essential.

"For us as industry we need to be sure there is one unique requirement. And you need a leader in terms of states: you cannot have five countries, four countries, three countries in front of industry – it doesn't work. And you need a prime... in order to be sure that you are mastering the programme."

Trappier believes this position will be possible to achieve, although he acknowledges that "we are at the beginning" of the process.

Operational requirements must be driven by an acknowledgement that air defences will be increasingly sophisticated in future, he says, and the FCAS will need to overcome these.

Trappier says the stealthy aircraft "will potentially be larger than the [Dassault] Rafale so it will have better range" and will also be capable of operating from aircraft carriers.

The backlog for the fourth-generation Rafale is currently at 101 aircraft, but Trappier is confident of securing additional orders to narrow any production gap to the arrival of the FCAS in 2040.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/dassault-chief-warns-on-creating-eurofighter-20-f-456242/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 01/03/2019 | 13:32 uur
De Franse regering en industrie zullen er alles aan doen om dat project te leiden...
Zij zullen willen zekerstellen dat ze uiteindelijk producten zullen produceren die voldoen aan hun eisen en verwachtingen, zowel voor hun Armée de l'air als hun Aéronavale.
De Fransen willen zo weinig mogelijk afhankelijk zijn en blijven van buitenlandseleveranciers.

"Partnerlanden" zullen mogen aansluiten, vooral wanneer die financiele bijdrages zullen (moeten) leveren om een koekje van de deeg te krijgen voor hun eigen industrie, maar uiteindelijk is dat ondergeschikt.

Echter... tijden zijn veranderd... en dat hebben ze ook wel al gemerkt met hun Rafale... Terwijl hun Mirages voordien vlotjes afname vonden tijdens de Koude Oorlog is die vlotte verkoop geeindigd met de Mirage2000.
De Rafale vind nauwelijks afname (Qatar, India en Egypte samen 'slechts goed' voor 89 toestellen) en hun poging in India is verder afgelopen met een sisser.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 01/03/2019 | 13:37 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 01/03/2019 | 13:32 uur
De Franse regering en industrie zullen er alles aan doen om dat project te leiden...
Zij zullen willen zekerstellen dat ze uiteindelijk producten zullen produceren die voldoen aan hun eisen en verwachtingen, zowel voor hun Armée de l'air als hun Aéronavale.
De Fransen willen zo weinig mogelijk afhankelijk zijn en blijven van buitenlandseleveranciers.
Nee, de economische belangen zijn nog veel groter dan Defensie belangen en de Fransen willen vooral dat de Franse industrie overleeft, want die weten ook wel dat er heel wat faillissementen in het verschiet liggen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 01/03/2019 | 13:54 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 01/03/2019 | 13:37 uur
Nee, de economische belangen zijn nog veel groter dan Defensie belangen en de Fransen willen vooral dat de Franse industrie overleeft, want die weten ook wel dat er heel wat faillissementen in het verschiet liggen.
Die overleeft al decnnialang bij de gratie van staatshulp...
Ware dat niet het geval geweest dan waren al enkele van die bedrijven ondergegaan of hadden ze hun militaire activiteiten afgestoten.
Net zoals de Britten bestellen de Fransen bij hun hofleveranciers:
'Naval Group' (subs, fregatten en groter), andere werven voor kleinere eenheden en hulpvaartuigen...
'Dassault'...
'Airbus Industries'...
'MBDA'...
'Nexter'...
'Renault trucks defense'...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/03/2019 | 13:59 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 01/03/2019 | 13:54 uur
Net zoals de Britten bestellen de Fransen bij hun hofleveranciers:
'Naval Group' (subs, fregatten en groter), andere werven voor kleinere eenheden en hulpvaartuigen...
'Dassault'...
'Airbus Industries'...
'MBDA'...
'Nexter'...
'Renault trucks defense'...

Airbus en MBDA zijn in tegenstelling tot de andere bedrijven wel internationaal. Frankrijk en het Verenigd Koninkrijk ontwikkelen al vele decennia gezamenlijk diverse wapens. Dat is bij MBDA terug te zien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 01/03/2019 | 14:00 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 01/03/2019 | 13:54 uur
Die overleeft al decnnialang bij de gratie van staatshulp...
Ware dat niet het geval geweest dan waren al enkele van die bedrijven ondergegaan of hadden ze hun militaire activiteiten afgestoten.
Net zoals de Britten bestellen de Fransen bij hun hofleveranciers:
'Naval Group' (subs, fregatten en groter), andere werven voor kleinere eenheden en hulpvaartuigen...
'Dassault'...
'Airbus Industries'...
'MBDA'...
'Nexter'...
'Renault trucks defense'...

Ga eens kijken hoeveel % van de aandelen van die bedrijven in hand zijn van de Franse staat. Het zijn geen bedrijven, het zijn staatsbedrijven die blijven staan door die aandeelhouder.
Als dit commerciële bedrijven waren geweest had 80% al lang omgevallen zijn.

Om alleen die reden al moet je daar als land niet te veel zaken mee willen doen want het enigste belang dat speelt is die van Frankrijk, die order die je plaatst is mooi mee genomen maar niet nodig want het bedrijf blijft ook bestaan als het 10 jaar geen export orders krijgt. Dan houd de Franse staat de productie wel open, kijk naar de eisen die ze stellen aan de samenwerking met Duitsland. Die moeten export orders akkoord tekenen ook al zijn ze het er niet mee eens.

Veel van de orders die deze bedrijven binnen halen worden op lening gekocht, de lening word verstrekt door de Franse overheid waardoor het bedrijf het geld ontvangt en de staat jaarlijks een x bedrag ontvangt + de rente. Zo word er aan beide kanten verdiend door de staat.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 01/03/2019 | 14:59 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 01/03/2019 | 13:59 uur
Airbus en MBDA zijn in tegenstelling tot de andere bedrijven wel internationaal. Frankrijk en het Verenigd Koninkrijk ontwikkelen al vele decennia gezamenlijk diverse wapens. Dat is bij MBDA terug te zien.
Maar ook daar zit de Franse Staat met een dikke vinger (lees aandeelhouders) in de pap.
En met Nexter is sedert de merger met KMW dat ook nog steeds het geval.
Die firma's zijn geen 'pure privébedrijven'. Kan ook niet anders gezien de technologie waaraan ze werken en aan wie deze verkocht wordt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 01/03/2019 | 15:04 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 01/03/2019 | 14:00 uur
...
Om alleen die reden al moet je daar als land niet te veel zaken mee willen doen want het enigste belang dat speelt is die van Frankrijk, die order die je plaatst is mooi mee genomen maar niet nodig want het bedrijf blijft ook bestaan als het 10 jaar geen export orders krijgt. Dan houd de Franse staat de productie wel open, kijk naar de eisen die ze stellen aan de samenwerking met Duitsland. Die moeten export orders akkoord tekenen ook al zijn ze het er niet mee eens.

Veel van de orders die deze bedrijven binnen halen worden op lening gekocht, de lening word verstrekt door de Franse overheid waardoor het bedrijf het geld ontvangt en de staat jaarlijks een x bedrag ontvangt + de rente. Zo word er aan beide kanten verdiend door de staat.
Elke "wapenleverancier" heeft banden met de overheid/overheden van de landen waarin ze gevestigd zijn.
Als je niet bij de Fransen wil kopen moet je elders aankloppen (indien je niet in eigen land vervaardigt).
Voor groot "tuig" betekent dat je dan gaat shoppen in de USA, UK, DE... mss Zweden, Italie,...
Of mss bij dat andere NATO-land... Turkije?  ;) ;D
Of op zijn Grieks: bij de Ruskies
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/03/2019 | 15:26 uur
Singapore to place initial buy of four F-35 JSFs for further evaluation

https://www.janes.com/article/86950/singapore-to-place-initial-buy-of-four-f-35-jsfs-for-further-evaluation
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 01/03/2019 | 15:28 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 01/03/2019 | 15:04 uur
Elke "wapenleverancier" heeft banden met de overheid/overheden van de landen waarin ze gevestigd zijn.
Als je niet bij de Fransen wil kopen moet je elders aankloppen (indien je niet in eigen land vervaardigt).
Voor groot "tuig" betekent dat je dan gaat shoppen in de USA, UK, DE... mss Zweden, Italie,...
Of mss bij dat andere NATO-land... Turkije?  ;) ;D
Of op zijn Grieks: bij de Ruskies

Maar bij de Fransen zitten die banden wel heel strak aangespannen. Frankrijk heeft een speciaal agentschap waarin alle aandelen in dit soort bedrijven word beheerd. Dit Agence des participations de l'État ( APE ) beheert dan ook aandelen van ruim 70 bedrijven! Zie de lijst hieronder voor de bedrijven waar ze aandeelhouder van zijn.

Naval Group is voor 62,49% in handen van APE, 35% is in handen van Thales en de overige 2,51% is in handen van andere investeerders, bedrijven en werknemers.
Maar ook Thales is nog voor 27% in handen van datzelfde APE en de andere groot aandeelhouder is Dassault.

Wat betreft het als je dat niet wilt dan koop je bij een ander heb je gelijk, maar de Franse staat is wel heel erg invloedrijk op deze bedrijven en daarmee dus ook op de export orders.
Voor mij ook iets om ver van weg te blijven als Nederland! Direct zaken doen met de Franse staat? NON!

Citaat
Beursgenoteerde bedrijven
Aéroports de Paris
Air France-KLM
Dexia
EDF
Engie
Oranje
Orano
Renault
Safran
Thales Group
SOGEPA
luchtvliegtuig
Groupe PSA

Niet-beursgenoteerde bedrijven
Aéroport de Bâle-Mulhouse
Aéroports de Lyon
Aéroports de la Côte d'Azur
Bpifrance
Naval Group
France Télévisions
Nexter-systemen
Grand port maritime de Dunkerque
Grand port maritime de Marseille
Grand port maritime du Havre
Imprimerie nationale
La Française des Jeux
De Munt van Parijs
La Poste
LFB, voorheen Laboratoire français du fractionnement et des biotechnologies
Port autonome de Paris
Semmaris, volledig Société d'Economie Mixte d'Aménagement et de gestion du marché d'intérêt national de Rungis
SFIL, voorheen Société de Financement Local
SNCF Mobilités, de verkeersafdeling van Société nationale des chemins de fer français
SNCF Réseau, de netwerkafdeling van Société nationale des chemins de fer français

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/03/2019 | 10:11 uur
F-35C Wing Commander Focused on First Deployment, Transitioning First Marine Corps Squadron (VMFA-314 is de eerste van vier USMC F-35C squadrons)

https://news.usni.org/2019/03/01/f-35c-wing-commander-focused-on-first-deployment-transitioning-first-marine-corps-squadron

Edit. Ter referentie Marine Aviation Plan 2018 (versie 2019 is nog niet beschikbaar).

https://www.aviation.marines.mil/Portals/11/2018%20AvPlan%20.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/03/2019 | 22:17 uur
Rolls-Royce scales back on joining Turkish fighter jet project: FT

https://reut.rs/2NF6C5n
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 04/03/2019 | 09:21 uur
Assembly of first Brazilian Gripen NG advances

The first of 36 Brazilian Gripen NG multirole jets (also known as the F-39 E/F Gripen in the Brazilian Air Force) is in final assembly at the Saab facility in Linköping, the company told Jane's on 28 February.

The single-seat flight test instrumentation (FTI) aircraft will be delivered to start the flight test campaign in Linköping during 2019. The aircraft is currently undergoing installation of the avionics, auxiliary power unit, engine, radar, canards, canopy, and windshield.

The Commander of the Brazilian Air Force, Lieutenant-Brigadier Antonio Carlos Moretti Bermudez, was briefed on the FX-2 programme by Håkan Buskhe, president and CEO of Saab, on 26 February.

https://www.janes.com/article/86960/assembly-of-first-brazilian-gripen-ng-advances
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/03/2019 | 10:30 uur
Dit art. kan in diverse topics, maar in het kader van FCAS, het toch maar hier geplaatst.

Airbus will Flugzeug ohne deutsche Komponenten bauen

https://www.aerobuzz.de/industrie/airbus-will-flugzeug-ohne-deutsche-komponenten-bauen/ via @aerobuzzde
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/03/2019 | 10:35 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/03/2019 | 10:30 uur
Dit art. kan in diverse topics, maar in het kader van FCAS, het toch maar hier geplaatst.

Airbus will Flugzeug ohne deutsche Komponenten bauen

https://www.aerobuzz.de/industrie/airbus-will-flugzeug-ohne-deutsche-komponenten-bauen/ via @aerobuzzde

Dus geen motor van MTU of BK27 27mm kanon? Zal ongetwijfeld nog wat Duitse onderdelen vergeten die wel in te Tornado en Typhoon zitten. Lekkere deal  :(
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/03/2019 | 11:23 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 04/03/2019 | 10:35 uur
Dus geen motor van MTU of BK27 27mm kanon? Zal ongetwijfeld nog wat Duitse onderdelen vergeten die wel in te Tornado en Typhoon zitten. Lekkere deal  :(

Airbus is één.... en dan heb je ook nog het Duits-Franse prestige project om te komen tot een nieuwe tank voor de jaren dertig...

Dit beloofd niet veel goeds...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 04/03/2019 | 11:33 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/03/2019 | 11:23 uur
Airbus is één.... en dan heb je ook nog het Duits-Franse prestige project om te komen tot een nieuwe tank voor de jaren dertig...

Dit beloofd niet veel goeds...

Of je krijgt bij al deze samenwerkings-projectjes 2 (of meer) versies.

Een FCAS met Franse componenten en geschikt voor (Franse) export orders en eentje met Duitse componenten waar de Duitsers hun industrie mee helpen.
Als Frankrijk op deze manier gaat samenwerken dan is de kans niet groot dat deze projecten gaan slagen en mag Berlijn er goed over na denken of ze dit wel moeten willen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 04/03/2019 | 11:55 uur
EU projecten, zijn gedoemd om te mislukken...   EU heeft geen 1 belang, maar elk land heeft zijn eigen belang, industrie, werkgelegenheid.

veel te veel landen, met hun eigen wensen en eisen, dus (land) specifieke uitvoeringen
en in die landen weer eigen industrie welke moeten profiteren, dus binnen de specifieke uitvoeringen nog weer sub versies omdat er andere toeleveranciers, componenten gebruiken worden.

kijk maar naar de NH90 geen enkele is hetzelfde, geen standaardisatie, elk land heeft zijn eigen sub versie...

en ook in de beslissingsvorm, iedereen (land/industrie) wil/moet mee beslissen en iedereen doen zijn plas erover ....

gebed zonder eind..   
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/03/2019 | 11:55 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 04/03/2019 | 11:33 uur
Of je krijgt bij al deze samenwerkings-projectjes 2 (of meer) versies.

Een FCAS met Franse componenten en geschikt voor (Franse) export orders en eentje met Duitse componenten waar de Duitsers hun industrie mee helpen.
Als Frankrijk op deze manier gaat samenwerken dan is de kans niet groot dat deze projecten gaan slagen en mag Berlijn er goed over na denken of ze dit wel moeten willen.

Vooralsnog voorzie ik een hoop ellende... maar we gaan het zien, wel interessant om te volgen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/03/2019 | 11:57 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 04/03/2019 | 11:55 uur
EU projecten, zijn gedoemd om te mislukken...   EU heeft geen 1 belang, maar elk land heeft zijn eigen belang, industrie, werkgelegenheid.

veel te veel landen, met hun eigen wensen en eisen, dus (land) specifieke uitvoeringen
en in die landen weer eigen industrie welke moeten profiteren, dus binnen de specifieke uitvoeringen nog weer sub versies omdat er andere toeleveranciers, componenten gebruiken worden.

kijk maar naar de NH90 geen enkele is hetzelfde, geen standaardisatie, elk land heeft zijn eigen sub versie...

en ook in de beslissingsvorm, iedereen (land/industrie) wil/moet mee beslissen en iedereen doen zijn plas erover ....

gebed zonder eind..   

Dit.... aangevuld met een (schijnheilige) pacifistische moraal... Wat zou fout kunnen gaan?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 04/03/2019 | 12:15 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 04/03/2019 | 11:55 uur
EU projecten, zijn gedoemd om te mislukken...   EU heeft geen 1 belang, maar elk land heeft zijn eigen belang, industrie, werkgelegenheid.

veel te veel landen, met hun eigen wensen en eisen, dus (land) specifieke uitvoeringen
en in die landen weer eigen industrie welke moeten profiteren, dus binnen de specifieke uitvoeringen nog weer sub versies omdat er andere toeleveranciers, componenten gebruiken worden.

kijk maar naar de NH90 geen enkele is hetzelfde, geen standaardisatie, elk land heeft zijn eigen sub versie...

en ook in de beslissingsvorm, iedereen (land/industrie) wil/moet mee beslissen en iedereen doen zijn plas erover ....

gebed zonder eind..   

Inderdaad, het zijn te veel belangen en dat werkt niet goed samen.

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/03/2019 | 11:55 uur
Vooralsnog voorzie ik een hoop ellende... maar we gaan het zien, wel interessant om te volgen.
+1 ,  EU samenwerkingen zijn heel goed mogelijk maar dan moet je wel twee gelijkwaardige partners hebben eventueel aangevuld met iets kleinere partners maar totaal 4 partners is wel een limiet naar mijn idee.

Het Frans-Italiaanse FREMM fregat is een voorbeeld van een goed geslaagd project, maar ook hier meerdere versies. De samenwerking tussen Damen en Saab is ook een voorbeeld van goede samenwerking met gelijkwaardige partners. Op een of andere manier lukt het binnen de marine industrie op dit moment wel maar ik verwacht dat als er hier ook ''airbussen'' gaan ontstaan dat het net zo snel fout gaat lopen.

Het F-35 project is ook een voorbeeld van hoe iets redelijk kan verlopen; 1 partij neemt de leiding (VS) en partners kunnen aansluiting vinden en krijgt een deel van het werk.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/03/2019 | 12:20 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 04/03/2019 | 12:15 uur
De samenwerking tussen Damen en Saab is ook een voorbeeld van goede samenwerking met gelijkwaardige partners.

Voor Nederlands gebruik zeker. Export is ook een doel, als dit niet politiek ondersteund wordt dan is/wordt dit redelijk kansloos.

Een paar rood/groene "nitwits" in de politiek kunnen maar zo een miljarden deal torpederen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/03/2019 | 14:27 uur
Rafale fighter production 'alive' for next decade (Eric Trappier verwacht de FCAS niet voor 2040)

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/rafale-fighter-production-alive-for-next-decade-456291/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 04/03/2019 | 16:15 uur
'Pentagon wil minder F-35-straaljagers'

WASHINGTON
Het Amerikaanse ministerie van Defensie stelt naar verwachting zijn eerdere bestelling van 84 gevechtsvliegtuigen van het type F-35 voor 2020 naar beneden bij. In de begroting van het Pentagon, die naar verluidt volgende week naar het Congres wordt gestuurd, zal nog sprake zijn van een order van 78 Joint Strike Fighters (JSF's).

Voor JSF-maker Lockheed Martin is de bijstelling een hard gelag. Zeker omdat de Amerikaanse luchtmacht geld wil vrijmaken voor de aanschaf van acht geüpgrade F-15-gevechtsvliegtuigen van concurrent Boeing. Defensie in de VS reserveerde de afgelopen jaren juist meer geld voor de aanschaf van JSF's. Dat vertaalde zich in grotere bestellingen dit jaar en volgend jaar bij Lockheed.

De huidige Amerikaanse minister van Defensie was vroeger werkzaam voor Boeing, en de vraag is of dat een rol heeft gespeeld in de vermoedelijke keuze. Patrick Shanahan heeft altijd aangegeven zich niet te bemoeien met Boeing-gerelateerde zaken.

ANP, 04-03-2019, 11:52
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 05/03/2019 | 11:29 uur
Lockheed or Boeing? The IDF's $11bn Dilemma  (de F-35I of F-15IA of toch beide ?? ..)

The US defense giants are vying for pride of place in one of the world's best weaponry shop windows - and Israeli companies want a piece of the action.

In the coming months, IDF Chief of Staff Lieut. Gen. Aviv Kochavi will face one of the most important decisions the Israeli defense establishment has ever made: how to spend $11 billion on buying dozens of new top-of-the-line aircraft that the Israel Air Force will use for many decades into the future from the US arms industry.

The arms procurement plan, one of Israel's largest ever, will tie up almost one quarter of US defense aid money in the coming decade. It includes a new squadron of attack planes, 5-7 cutting-edge aircraft for airborne refueling, and transportation helicopters to replace the Yasur (Sea Stallion) helicopters used by the air force for four decades. All of these will be accompanied by additional investment in new systems to be installed on the aircraft, development of special equipment, operating and maintenance infrastructure, etc.

The most important Israeli decision involves a choice between two attack planes: the F-35 Adir (stealth fighter) manufactured by Lockheed Martin and the new F-15 manufactured by Boeing.

Lockheed Martin is offering Israel a third squadron of F-35s, plus new transportation helicopters and airborne refueling planes made by European company Airbus under a strategic cooperation agreement between the two companies.

Boeing is offering Israel a no less attractive package: a squadron of 25 new F-15s, plus airborne refueling planes developed for the US Air Force and advanced transportation helicopters

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/200500/israel-faces-%2411bn-dilemma-for-next-fighter-buy.html

https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-lockheed-or-boeing-the-idfs-11b-dilemma-1001276549
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 05/03/2019 | 11:33 uur
Canadian Budget Officer Says Used F-18 Cost 22% Over Budget   (... :hrmph:... :confused: ...  :dead: )

Fiscal Analysis of the Interim F-18 Aircraft

Canada's Parliamentary Budget Officer has estimated that the cost of buying second-hand F-18 Hornets from Australia as interim fighters will cost about $1.1 billion, or approximately 22% more than estimated by the government

This report provides an independent estimate of the impact of the costs of Canada's procurement of 18 Australian F/A-18 aircraft on the federal budget. This estimate is for a total life cycle cost, thus taking into consideration the total cost of project development, acquisition, operations and sustainment, and disposal of the additional aircraft.

The findings of this report are as follows: the risk-adjusted life cycle cost estimate of the Interim Fighter Capability Project is approximately $1.09 billion, with a low-end estimate of $1.08 billion and a high-end estimate of $1.15 billion.

Breaking this down into the project's phases, PBO has estimated a Development phase cost of $12.5 million, an Acquisition phase cost of $311.5 million, an Operations and Sustainment phase cost of $756.5 million, and a Disposal phase cost of $11 million.

The total estimated life cycle cost of 1.09 billion is some 22% higher than the Department of National Defence (DND) estimate. This is largely driven by costs in the operations and sustainment phase, where the PBO has estimated life extension and upgrade costs that are approximately $120M higher than DND's.

Sensitivity analysis surrounding changes in planned flying rates show that the total project life cycle cost estimate can vary by as much as $55.5 million. A delay in the completion of the acquisition phase by one year, such that deliveries of six aircraft slip into the 2022-2023 fiscal year, would increase total project costs by $12.5 million.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/200497/canadian-budget-officer-says-used-f_18-cost-22-over-budget.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 05/03/2019 | 12:07 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 05/03/2019 | 11:33 uur
Canadian Budget Officer Says Used F-18 Cost 22% Over Budget   (... :hrmph:... :confused: ...  :dead: )
Dan heb je echt een veel te laag budget  :silent: Volgens mij was het budget van de vervanging 86 miljard Canadeese dollar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/03/2019 | 12:55 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 05/03/2019 | 12:07 uur
Dan heb je echt een veel te laag budget  :silent: Volgens mij was het budget van de vervanging 86 miljard Canadeese dollar.

86 miljard CAD? Het gaat nu om de kosten voor 18 vliegende ex-RAAF Hornets (en 7 stuks voor de onderdelen).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/03/2019 | 15:11 uur
Mitchell Weighs In: More F-35s or New, Old F-15s?

https://breakingdefense.com/2019/03/afa-on-making-the-right-choice-more-f-35s-or-new-old-f-15s/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/03/2019 | 21:44 uur
India to acquire 36 French-made Rafale fighter jets

http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-defense-security-news/2019-news-aerospace-industry-air-force/march/4851-india-to-acquire-36-french-made-rafale-fighter-jets.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/03/2019 | 12:33 uur
JAGM and JAGM-F Physical Fit Checks

.../...

The analyses required for this effort will support future storage compatibility and air worthiness efforts of the JAGM-F on the F/A-18C/D, F/A-18E/F, AV-8B, F-35B and F-35C aircraft.

.../...

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=e33322092f5069a45a452f7271ffd72e&tab=core&_cview=0

Ben benieuwd of JAGM-F interessant is voor de F-35A als aanvulling en/of alternatief voor SDB I/II.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 07/03/2019 | 17:32 uur

In the coming months, IDF Chief of Staff Lieut. Gen. Aviv Kochavi will face one of the most important decisions the Israeli defense establishment has ever made: how to spend $11 billion on buying dozens of new top-of-the-line aircraft that the Israel Air Force will use for many decades into the future from the US arms industry.
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In Israël bepaalt de legertop dus wel materiaal het krijgt, en niet zoals in Nederland de politiek?(zij het met een hoop gelobby en advies vanuit Defensie)
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Lockheed Martin is offering Israel a third squadron of F-35s, plus new transportation helicopters and airborne refueling planes made by European company Airbus under a strategic cooperation agreement between the two companies.
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LM biedt dus de A330MRTT aan neem ik aan? Wat is het voordeel voor de Amerikaanse wapenindustrie als Israël voor deze tanker optie kiest? Krijgt LM een gedeelte van de winst van Airbus of moet ze het dan alleen van de extra F-35I's hebben?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/03/2019 | 12:46 uur
Service of Marine Corps' Prowler comes to a close with deactivation of last squadron (definitieve einde tijdperk Prowler)

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/service-of-marine-corps-prowler-comes-to-a-close-with-deactivation-of-last-squadron-1.571517
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/03/2019 | 12:53 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/03/2019 | 12:46 uur
Service of Marine Corps' Prowler comes to a close with deactivation of last squadron (definitieve einde tijdperk Prowler)

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/service-of-marine-corps-prowler-comes-to-a-close-with-deactivation-of-last-squadron-1.571517
Jammer.. nostalgie
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/03/2019 | 13:32 uur
AARGM-ER cleared for EMD

http://alert5.com/2019/03/08/aargm-er-cleared-for-emd/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/03/2019 | 16:41 uur
Rafale F4 to get upgraded SPECTRA fire control radar avoidance system

https://www.janes.com/article/87101/rafale-f4-to-get-upgraded-spectra-fire-control-radar-avoidance-system
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/03/2019 | 20:08 uur
Noorse defensie betaalt flinke compensatie voor lawaai F-35

https://nos.nl/l/t/2275564 via @NOS
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 11/03/2019 | 20:15 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/03/2019 | 20:08 uur
Noorse defensie betaalt flinke compensatie voor lawaai F-35

https://nos.nl/l/t/2275564 via @NOS
Dat is precies wat er ook in Nederland gaat gebeuren, iedereen nu snel een woning kopen bij Leeuwarden of Volkel en uit laten kopen door defensie over enkele jaren  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 13/03/2019 | 17:36 uur
F-16 sustainment hub to be established in Norway

Lockheed Martin announced on 12 March that it had signed an agreement with AIM Norway to establish a licensed maintenance, repair, and overhaul (MRO) hub for the F-16 Fighting Falcon in Kjeller, Norway.

The agreement will involve the establishment of a "Falcon Depot" centre, expanding on the existing MRO capabilities offered by AIM Norway at the site in north-east of Oslo. The centre will support the Royal Norwegian Air Force's (RNoAF's) fleet of F-16A and F-16B aircraft, as well as those operated by other European air forces.

Susan Ouzts, vice-president of Lockheed Martin's F-16 Program, said, "this first-of-its-kind Falcon Depot Centre reflects the strong global demand for F-16 sustainment services, which is poised to grow as we continue to produce new F-16s and upgrade existing aircraft."

The RNoAF operates 45 F-16A and 10 F-16B aircraft from bases at Bodø and Ørland, with the aircraft entering service in the early 1980s. The aircraft have been receiving significant structural overhauls, including new wings, to enable their service life to be extended to 2023. An undisclosed number of aircraft were found to have cracks between 2014 and 2016, adding impetus to the overhaul programme.

[Source: Janes.com ]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 14/03/2019 | 08:37 uur
VS koopt 8 stuks F35 minder, maar koopt daarvoor 8 stuks F-15X

Air Force's Fiscal 2020 Budget Focuses On Modernization, Readiness, Confronting Global Threats

After months of rumors and contradictory reports, Boeing's F-15X Eagle has finally been confirmed as the USAF is cutting eight F-35As from its FY2020 budget request and will instead buy eight single-seat F-15X at a similar unit cost.

.../...

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/200809/usaf-budget-requests-increases-%2410bn-to-%24165bn-for-fy-2020.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/03/2019 | 09:25 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 14/03/2019 | 08:37 uur
VS koopt 8 stuks F35 minder, maar koopt daarvoor 8 stuks F-15X

Air Force's Fiscal 2020 Budget Focuses On Modernization, Readiness, Confronting Global Threats

After months of rumors and contradictory reports, Boeing's F-15X Eagle has finally been confirmed as the USAF is cutting eight F-35As from its FY2020 budget request and will instead buy eight single-seat F-15X at a similar unit cost.

.../...

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/200809/usaf-budget-requests-increases-%2410bn-to-%24165bn-for-fy-2020.html

Maar eens zien wat er straks uiteindelijk wordt afgeleverd. Afgelopen jaren kregen ze het voor elkaar om wat meer F-35's te kopen dan wat in het budget request stond.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 14/03/2019 | 13:10 uur
US Air Force sees F-15EX as cheap and quick fix

The US Air Force (USAF) is requesting funds from Congress for eight Boeing F-15EX fighters instead of more of its favoured aircraft, the Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II stealth fighter, in a move aimed at cutting costs.

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https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-air-force-sees-f-15ex-as-cheap-and-quick-fix-456480/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/03/2019 | 15:24 uur
Citaat van: FlightGlobal op 14/03/2019 | 13:10 uur
US Air Force sees F-15EX as cheap and quick fix

The US Air Force (USAF) is requesting funds from Congress for eight Boeing F-15EX fighters instead of more of its favoured aircraft, the Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II stealth fighter, in a move aimed at cutting costs.

.../...

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-air-force-sees-f-15ex-as-cheap-and-quick-fix-456480/

Dacht dat de F-15X een eenzitter was, maar de genoemde F-15EX is een tweezitter (verre nazaat van de F-15E Strike Eagle). Een tweezitter ter vervanging van de F-15C komt op mij vreemd over.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/03/2019 | 21:45 uur
Strategic Planner: F-15EX Could Be Hypersonics Platform

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/March%202019/Strategic-Planner-F-15s-Save-Downtime-for-Readiness-Could-Be-Hypersonics-Platform.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/03/2019 | 10:48 uur
Norwegian F-35 successfully completed first AMRAAM missile tests

https://defence-blog.com/news/norwegian-f-35-successfully-completed-first-amraam-missile-tests.html

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/03/2019 | 10:45 uur
New F-15 Buy for Air Force Fills F-35 Capacity and Capability Shortfall   
(F-15EX aankoop : iets goedkoper dan de F35 en onderhoudskosten 50% goedkoper dan de F-35... )

The Pentagon's decision to add new F-15EXs to its budget request for the Air Force, a move not requested by the service itself, was based on a lack of capability and capacity of the current fleet and the presumptive cheaper cost of the Eagles, the military's top uniformed officer told lawmakers on Thursday.

The Pentagon's fiscal 2020 budget request includes about $1 billion for eight F-15EX "advanced Eagles," a decision that stemmed from former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joseph Dunford told the Senate Armed Services Committee the "framework" of the decision came from a study of the future needs of the military's tactical aircraft fleet, which showed the Air Force had a shortage in its number of aircraft and the amount of ordnance those aircraft could carry.

"Then they had the F-15C, which was aging out in the 2027-2028 period," he said "So, within the next five or 10 years the best solution was to go to the F-15, called the EX, platform to backfill the F-15. Eventually we'll get to an all F-35 program, but from both a cost perspective and a capability perspective, this particular mix of aircraft for the near term was determined to be the right mix of aircraft."

The F-15EX initially would only be "slightly" cheaper to buy than a new F-35, it will be more than 50 percent cheaper than the Joint Strike Fighter to operate over its life. Additionally, it has "twice as many hours" in terms of how long it lasts.

The Air Force's five-year Future Years Defense Plan calls for buying 80 of the F-15EXs, though the ultimate buy could be as many as 144. Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson said before the budget was released the F-15s were inserted into the budget by entities outside the Air Force, and the service instead preferred to buy more F-35s.

"The primary aircraft of the future for the Air Force is the F-35, and they're not walking back off that program," Dunford said.

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/March%202019/Dunford-New-F-15-Buy-for-Air-Force-Fills-F-35-Capacity-and-Capability-Shortfall.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/03/2019 | 12:30 uur
Italy's Salvini defends F-35 orders as necessary for country

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-italy-defense-f35/italys-salvini-defends-f-35-orders-as-necessary-for-country-idUSKCN1QV27K?il=0
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/03/2019 | 21:32 uur
BAE begins Meteor and SPEAR integration for F-35

https://www.janes.com/article/87285/bae-begins-meteor-and-spear-integration-for-f-35
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/03/2019 | 07:37 uur
Air Force To Turn Navy Air Defense Busting Missile Into High-Speed Critical Strike Weapon

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27022/air-force-to-turn-navy-air-defense-busting-missile-into-high-speed-critical-strike-weapon
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 19/03/2019 | 09:07 uur
Lockheed F-35 Dinged as Boeing's F-15X Wins in Air Force's Plan ( 5 jaar plan.. aankoop 80 stuks F-15X en minder F-35 )

The U.S. Air Force outlined a five-year plan that showed the extent of the Pentagon's push to bring back Boeing Co.'s F-15 fighter in an upgraded version, a $7.8 billion investment that would jump from eight of the planes next year to 18 each year through 2024.

While Lockheed Martin Corp.'s newer F-35 would get $37.5 billion over the five years, the more advanced plane would still take a hit. The service now plans to buy 48 F-35s each year from fiscal 2021 through 2023 instead of the 54 previously planned.

A week after President Donald Trump presented his proposed budget for the fiscal year that begins in October, the Air Force spelled out a longer-range five-year plan on Monday that's sure to set off fierce congressional debate, including over the plan to buy 80 F-15X models and slow the trajectory of the F-35. That debate already has begun.

"As our nation's only fifth-generation stealth fighter being built today, an investment in additional production and support for the F-35 fighter fleet is critical to ensuring the U.S. maintains air superiority," five senators said in a letter last month.

The letter to Trump and Acting Defense Secretary Pat Shanahan was signed by Republicans John Cornyn and Ted Cruz of Texas, Lisa Murkowski or Alaska, Susan Collins of Maine and Marco Rubio of Florida. The F-35 is built in Texas, and some will be based in Alaska.

General Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the Senate Armed Services Committee last week that Pentagon officials decided to buy the F-15X partly because it's "slightly less expensive for procurement than the F-35, but it's more than 50 percent cheaper to operate over time and it has twice as many hours in terms of how long it lasts."

Among other major elements of the Air Force's five-year plan sent to Congress:

- Northrop Grumman Corp.'s new B-21 stealth bomber would get $20 billion over the next five years, with funding jumping from $3 billion in 2020 to $5 billion in 2023. Of the $5 billion, $2.3 billion would be for the first year of major procurement.

- Boeing would get $19 billion through 2024 for purchase of 66 of its KC-46 tankers, fewer than the 75 previously planned through 2023. The new plan calls for 15 in 2021 but 12 each in 2022 and 2023, instead of the 15 previously planned each year.

- The service plans to spend $12.4 billion through 2024 procuring space systems.

- Research on the Next Generation Overhead Persistent Infrared early-warning satellite would total $11.4 billion through 2024.

- Lockheed's F-22 fighter could see as much as $18 billion in spending for upgrades and support.

- Air Force spending on setting up and running the new Space Force is budgeted at $363 million through 2024, averaging about $72 million annually.

- Space investments for fiscal 2020 include $1.67 billion for space launch and ground service agreements pitting Elon Musk's SpaceX against the United Launch Alliance that's a joint venture between Lockheed and Boeing; $1.3 billion for Lockheed's GPS-III satellites and Raytheon Co.'s OCX ground control station program; and $1 billion for satellite communications programs such as the family of "Beyond-Line-of-Sight" terminals.

- The five-year plan calls for spending as much as $8.7 billion on precision-guided weapons made by Lockheed, Boeing and Raytheon. That includes $1.4 billion on the new Small Diameter Bomb-II that can attack both fixed and moving targets in bad weather, $2 billion for the GPS-guided Joint Direct Attack Munition and $2.2 billion on the extended-range stealth Jassm missile used last year against Syrian military targets.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-18/lockheed-f-35-dinged-as-boeing-s-f-15x-wins-in-air-force-s-plan
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/03/2019 | 10:03 uur
Budget FY2020

USAF
https://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/FM-Resources/Budget/

USN
https://www.secnav.navy.mil/fmc/fmb/Pages/Fiscal-Year-2020.aspx

-------Things found
F-15EX:
F-15EX "details" are just "airframe", no GFE, CFE, avionics, engines, etc. REC Flyway is $80mil but full Flyaway is $131 mil.

"The pre-decisional plan is for the first two aircraft ordered in FY20 to be taken from the existing production line and delivered approximately 2 years after contract award to support flight testing. The subsequent delivery of aircraft 3-8, also ordered in FY20, are expected approximately 3 to 3.5 years after contract award."

F-35A:
All F-35As will be Block 3F by the end of FY2020. There are only 13 left that needed Tech Refresh 2 (from Lots 2-5) and 60+ from Lots 6-9ish (3F cutover was mid Lot) that only need a software update by the end of FY2020.

All Concurrency updates due for completion by the end of FY2024.

F-35B:
All early Lot F-35Bs are at least Block 3i and all F-35Bs will be Block 3F by end of FY2020.

F-35C:
All F-35Cs will be Block 3F by end of FY2019

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=55106&sid=7654a62db3456cf8389094ad5a303040&start=90
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/03/2019 | 21:33 uur
USAF's Five-Year Plan Includes $7.86 Billion for 80 F-15EXs

.../...

The new aircraft will be based on the F-15QA, which Boeing built for the Qatar Emiri Air Force, though it will have USAF-specific capabilities, including the Eagle Passive Active Warning and Survivability System and the Suite 9.1 Operational Flight Program software. The jet will have two seats to be flown by one or two aircrew, and will be multi-role capable, according to the justification document, or J-Book.

.../...

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/March%202019/USAFs-Five-Year-Plan-Includes-786-Billion-for-80-F-15EXs.aspx

Dus dan dan heb je een hele geavanceerde versie van de F-15E Strike Eagle en die kun je met 1 vlieger operationeel inzetten  :confused:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/03/2019 | 16:35 uur
Lack of Pilots, Operating Costs May Keep Norway's F-35 Fleet Grounded

With 52 F-35 fighter jets as a replacement for its ageing F-16 fleet, Norway hopes to build one of the world's most modern air forces. However, there are fears it will be hamstrung by a dramatic lack of pilots and technicians.

Despite Norway's massive investment and ambitions of building up a formidable air force, it may end up largely grounded due to lack of experienced pilots and ballooning associated costs, the daily newspaper Aftenposten reported.

"In 2025, we will have one of the world's most modern air defences. My big concern is whether we have enough money to actually use it", Major General Tonje Skinnarland, the Chief of Norway's Air Force, told Aftenposten.

According to Skinnarland, there is a large gap between the recommended number of pilots and the actual number of trainees schooled annually. In addition to the lack of pilots, Skinnarland also highlighted the lack of aviation technicians. This is exacerbated by the fact that very many of today's pilots and technicians are approaching retirement age.

Brigadier Øyvind Strandman, who was previously responsible for education programmes in the Norwegian Air Force, shared Skinnarland's concern.

"The situation is that we acquire an expensive weapon system, but do not have the economy to be able to operate it fully due to lack of expertise", Strandman said.

Additionally, sky-high flight prices and costly education were also named as risk factors possibly resulting in the expensive aircraft being grounded indefinitely.

The operating costs for the F-35 is about NOK 110,000 ($13,000) per hour. Complete education for a pilot costs about NOK 60 million ($7 million). Combined, these factors may result in a serious financial burden even for Norway's oil-rich economy.

Norway's air defence has recently reduced the number of bases, but made huge investments in new aircraft. So far, Norway has received nine F-35 fighter aircraft with an average price tag of NOK 1.375 billion apiece (roughly $160 million), with another seven still in US for tests.

With 52 such aircraft in total, Norway will become one of Europe's foremost users of F-35, a long-running fighter jet project marred by well-documented flaws and skyrocketing costs.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/201049/norway-worries-operating-costs%2C-lack-of-pilots-may-ground-f_35-fleet.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/03/2019 | 17:02 uur
De bron van het artikel over de Noorse F-35's is Sputnik News. Dat neem ik dan toch weer met een flinke hoeveelheid zout.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/03/2019 | 09:56 uur
Vervolg op reactie #3369.

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.f-16.net%2Fforum%2Fdownload%2Ffile.php%3Fid%3D29888%26amp%3Bsid%3Dab7a45b33d11e138cdacb6b87cc00e61%26amp%3Bmode%3Dview&hash=1e4fb216985816d9d0221d352d915634b8d07307)

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=55106&sid=9dde27e2b487621acb0387000cf99839&start=120
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 21/03/2019 | 10:14 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 20/03/2019 | 17:02 uur
De bron van het artikel over de Noorse F-35's is Sputnik News. Dat neem ik dan toch weer met een flinke hoeveelheid zout.

Ja, dat klopt, had ik ook wel gelezen, maar ... de newspaper Aftenposten had al eerder de bezorgdheid gemeld ..

Despite Norway's massive investment and ambitions of building up a formidable air force, it may end up largely grounded due to lack of experienced pilots and ballooning associated costs, the daily newspaper Aftenposten reported.

"In 2025, we will have one of the world's most modern air defences. My big concern is whether we have enough money to actually use it", Major General Tonje Skinnarland, the Chief of Norway's Air Force, told Aftenposten.


https://www.aftenposten.no/norge/i/G1oQ3l/Pilot--og-pengemangel-kan-fore-til-at-splitter-nye-kampfly-blir-staende-pa-bakken
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/03/2019 | 10:21 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 21/03/2019 | 10:14 uur
Ja, dat klopt, had ik ook wel gelezen, maar ... de newspaper Aftenposten had al eerder de bezorgdheid gemeld ..

Despite Norway's massive investment and ambitions of building up a formidable air force, it may end up largely grounded due to lack of experienced pilots and ballooning associated costs, the daily newspaper Aftenposten reported.

"In 2025, we will have one of the world's most modern air defences. My big concern is whether we have enough money to actually use it", Major General Tonje Skinnarland, the Chief of Norway's Air Force, told Aftenposten.


https://www.aftenposten.no/norge/i/G1oQ3l/Pilot--og-pengemangel-kan-fore-til-at-splitter-nye-kampfly-blir-staende-pa-bakken

Dan had Defense Aerospace beter Aftenposten als bron kunnen noemen. Weet niet wat de invloed van Sputnik News is, maar het wekt bij mij geen vertrouwen.

Logisch dat de Noorse media kritisch is. Of het komt uit zoals zij het verwachten of het wordt toch positiever.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 21/03/2019 | 10:36 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 21/03/2019 | 10:21 uur
Dan had Defense Aerospace beter Aftenposten als bron kunnen noemen. Weet niet wat de invloed van Sputnik News is, maar het wekt bij mij geen vertrouwen.

Logisch dat de Noorse media kritisch is. Of het komt uit zoals zij het verwachten of het wordt toch positiever.

Ik ben het helemaal met je eens dat Defense Aerospace hierin wat zorgvuldiger kan kunnen zijn en niet refereren/linken aan Sputnik News. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 21/03/2019 | 11:21 uur
En dit is waarschijnlijk ook een van de redenen dat er in de toekomst vele malen meer onbemand spul zal komen, wel geleid door een bemand toestel (desnoods en bij voorkeur een 2 persoons) die op afstand de boel aanstuurt. En die kosten agv stijgende onderhoudskosten zijn daar ook deels op terug te voeren. Vakkundige mensen worden schaars.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 21/03/2019 | 11:52 uur
Boeing in $4 billion deal for F/A-18E/F Block III Super Hornets

Boeing has secured a three-year contract for 78 F/A-18E/F Block III Super Hornets, with a total contract value of approximately $4 billion.

"Boeing will begin converting existing Block II Super Hornets to Block III early in the next decade," says a company statement. "The fighter's life also will be extended from 6,000 hours to 10,000 hours."

The company says that the multi-year contract will save a minimum of $395 million, as it allows for the scheduling of future production.

"This multiyear contract will provide significant savings for taxpayers and the U.S. Navy while providing the capacity it needs to help improve readiness," says Dan Gillian, vice president of F/A-18 and EA-18G programs.

"A multi-year contract helps the F/A-18 team seek out suppliers with a guaranteed three years of production, instead of negotiating year to year. It helps both sides with planning, and we applaud the US Navy on taking the appropriate steps needed to help solve its readiness challenges."

The Block III upgrade package includes a range of structural and sensor upgrades, but it crucially adds the ability to receive and transfer large amounts of sensor data with other Super Hornets and the Northrop Grumman E-2D Advanced Hawkeye.

It also adds a second-generation infrared search and track (IRST) sensor, allowing the Super Hornet to detect and track enemy aircraft without giving away its own position by using its radar. The IRST is able to detect even targets stealthy to radar at long ranges, but a single sensor on one aircraft does not provide enough clarity to provide targeting information to a guided missile.

The Block III package also adds the Rockwell Collins Tactical Targeting Network Technology (TTNT) radio and an advanced processor. Those upgrades allow two or more F/A-18E/Fs to share IRST sensor data, giving a single fighter enough information to use for a targeting solution.

The addition of conformal fuel tanks increase's the aircraft's range, and the Block III also has a reduced radar cross section (RCS).

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/boeing-in-4-billion-deal-for-fa-18ef-block-iii-s-456800/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/03/2019 | 10:44 uur
Update: BAE begins Meteor and SPEAR integration for F-35

https://www.janes.com/article/87365/update-bae-begins-meteor-and-spear-integration-for-f-35
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/03/2019 | 10:22 uur
F-15EX: Careful What You Don't Ask For

http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2019/April%202019/F-15EX-Careful-What-You-Dont-Ask-For.aspx

EDITORIAL: Fighter Math

http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2019/April%202019/EDITORIAL-Fighter-Math.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/03/2019 | 13:16 uur
Dassault, Boeing and Saab — the front-runners for IAF's 114 fighter jet contract

Dassault's Rafale, Boeing's F/A-18 and Saab's Gripen lead the pack, while the Lockheed Martin F-16 and the Eurofighter Typhoon are trailing.

.../...

https://theprint.in/defence/dassault-boeing-and-saab-the-front-runners-for-iafs-114-fighter-jet-contract/210472/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/03/2019 | 19:44 uur
Steve Trimble‏ @TheDEWLine · 2 u2 uur geleden 

The F-15 is 50% cheaper than the F-35A on operating cost, JCS Chairman Gen Dunford tells House committee today.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/03/2019 | 19:48 uur
Steve Trimble‏ @TheDEWLine · 2 u2 uur geleden 

Rep Matt Gaetz notes Lockheed Martin's commitment to reduce operating cost of F-35A to $25,000 per hour by 2025, then compares that to information that apparently DOD provided him showing that F-15X would cost $27,000-$30,000 per hour.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/03/2019 | 09:53 uur
Saab ready to step up tempo of Gripen E testing

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/saab-ready-to-step-up-tempo-of-gripen-e-testing-456945/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/03/2019 | 16:46 uur
LIMA 2019: Russia set to clear Sukhoi Su-57 for export

https://www.janes.com/article/87519/lima-2019-russia-set-to-clear-sukhoi-su-57-for-export
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/03/2019 | 16:47 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 29/03/2019 | 09:27 uur
LIMA 2019: Russia set to clear Sukhoi Su-57 for export

The Russian government is set to grant authorisation for the export of the Sukhoi Su-57 PAK FA fifth-generation fighter aircraft, a senior Russian defence industry official has revealed.

Viktor Kladov, the director for international co-operation and regional policy at Russia's Rostec defence industrial holding company, said the version of the aircraft promoted to international customers will be named Su-57E (Export).

He added that he expects the aircraft to be a competitive bidder for programmes in the Middle East and some parts of Asia Pacific.

Speaking at a media briefing at the 2019 LIMA exhibition in Langkawi, Kladov said that "all the necessary documentation" to support the approval of exports of the Su-57E has been submitted to the Russian government by UAC and its parent company, Rostec. Final export approval is expected to be provided by Russian President Vladimir Putin in a few weeks.

According to Kladov the Su-57E could be officially unveiled at the Dubai Air Show in November 2019, and this unveiling would reflect the target export market of the Su-57E. "We believe that the Middle East is an attractive market for this aircraft," said Kladov.

In Asia Pacific, countries likely to be interested in the Su-57E include China and India. "China has recently taken delivery of 24 Su-35 aircraft," said Kladov, "and in the next two years [China] will make a decision to either procure additional Su-35s, build the Su-35 within China, or to buy a fifth-generation fighter aircraft. This could be another opportunity for the Su-57E."

In marketing the aircraft for export, Kladov said customers are unlikely to be dissuaded by the US Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA). This legislation, introduced in August 2017, proposed sanctions on Russia's defence customers in response to Moscow's alleged interference in the 2016 US presidential election and the annexation of Crimea.

[Source: Janes.com ]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 29/03/2019 | 09:29 uur
US senators introduce bill to stop F-35 sales to Turkey

A group of senators introduced legislation Thursday to prohibit the transfer of F-35 fighter jets to Turkey, citing concerns about Ankara's plans to purchase the Russian S-400 missile defense system.

"Turkey is an important NATO ally and willing partner in addressing a number of US national security priorities," said Senator James Lankford in a press release.

Lankford, however, shared concerns about Turkey's plan to obtaining the S-400 system, saying that Russia "seeks to undermine NATO and US interests at every turn."

"The prospect of Russia having access to U.S. aircraft and technology in a NATO country, Turkey, is a serious national and global security risk," said Senator Jeanne Shaheen.

Following protracted efforts to purchase air defense systems from the U.S. with no success, Ankara decided in 2017 to purchase Russia's S-400 air defense system.

Ankara is also planning to purchase 100 F-35 fighter jets from the U.S. and its pilots are currently training on the weapons platform at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona.

Turkey first joined the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) Program in 2002 and has invested more than $1.25 billion. It also manufactures various aircraft parts for all F-35 variants and customers.

Turkish firms supply the F-35 program with key components, including airframe structures and assemblies and the center fuselages.

The bill defines the "transfer" of the F-35s as being relocated outside the continental U.S. and does not apply to fighter jets being operated by American forces.

Two F-35s have already been delivered to Turkey, and are currently at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona, where Turkish pilots are training with the aircraft. These jets were scheduled to be transferred in November.

Two more jets are expected to be delivered soon.

Washington has cautioned the S-400 system might covertly obtain critical information on the advanced fighter jets, including their detection range, which could then be relayed to Russia.

"This bill makes it clear that NATO's integrity, interoperability, and security is a top foreign policy concern across all branches of the U.S. government," the senators said.

Senators James Lankford, Jeanne Shaheen, Thom Tillis, and Chris Van Hollen are part of the legislation.

[Source: www.aa.com.tr ]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/03/2019 | 18:16 uur
The Pentagon's cost assessment office needs to reassess its F-15EX findings

https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2019/03/29/the-pentagons-cost-assessment-office-needs-to-reassess-its-f-15ex-findings/#.XJ5Su2M4q-k.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/03/2019 | 10:00 uur
Japan declares F-35A squadron initial-operation capable

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/japan-declares-f-35a-squadron-initial-operation-capa-457019/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Robert2 op 30/03/2019 | 12:17 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 30/03/2019 | 10:00 uur
Japan declares F-35A squadron initial-operation capable

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/japan-declares-f-35a-squadron-initial-operation-capa-457019/
Van een phantom naar een F-35. Tering, wel even een verschil..
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 30/03/2019 | 15:35 uur
Citaat van: Robert2 op 30/03/2019 | 12:17 uur
Van een phantom naar een F-35. Tering, wel even een verschil..
Aangezien het een noordelijk squadron is, kan het wel even wennen worden als de Russen richting de eilanden vliegen waar ze een grensconflict mee hebben met Japan. Nu weet ik natuurlijk niet of die oude F4's QRA diensten hadden, maar zo ja, dan zal het wel even slikken zijn voor Ivan.  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/03/2019 | 15:52 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 30/03/2019 | 15:35 uur
Aangezien het een noordelijk squadron is, kan het wel even wennen worden als de Russen richting de eilanden vliegen waar ze een grensconflict mee hebben met Japan. Nu weet ik natuurlijk niet of die oude F4's QRA diensten hadden, maar zo ja, dan zal het wel even slikken zijn voor Ivan.  ;D

302 Hikotai gaat juist naar een basis in het noorden (Misawa AB). De Russen hadden sowieso al te maken met Japanse F-15J en F-2.

Edit. Alleen vanaf Hyakuri AB vloog 302 Hikotai met de F-4EJ, maar niet vanaf Misawa AB.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/03/2019 | 11:46 uur
De eerste officiële USAF F-35A demo van seizoen 2019. Pierre Sprey en consorten kom er maar in  ;)

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 31/03/2019 | 12:36 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 31/03/2019 | 11:46 uur
De eerste officiële USAF F-35A demo van seizoen 2019. Pierre Sprey en consorten kom er maar in  ;)
Sinds wanneer heeft een voorvlieg demonstratie met een kist zonder externe wapens & peut tanks, interne munitie en in de kist een minimale hoeveelheid peut  wat te maken met een oorlogsmissie ?

Eind jaren 80 gaven de Sovjets een heel indrukwekkende demo show met hun tail-sliding (*) MiG-29.  Dat werd heel breed uitgemeten in de media.
"So-de-mieters, dat doen onze jachtvliegtuigen niet !"
De Zweden, ook nooit vies van gewaagd demo vliegen deden daarna het zelfde, maar dan met een J-35 Draken, een ontwerp uit de fifties.
Frankrijk kon niet achterblijven, dus gaf ook een zeer indrukkende Mirage 2000 demo, met o.a. een tail-slide, waarbij de kist na terugval uit die tail-slide zelfs 185 km/u achteruit vloog.   Die Draken demo kwam nooit in het nieuws, alleen de Mirage 2000 tail-slide kwam in een artikel achterin het Duitse luchtvaartblad "Flug Revue".

* = tail-slide = De vlieger trekt zijn kist in een hoge invalshoek van 70, 80 tot zelfs 90 a 100 graden t.o.v. de horizon.  De kist remt hierdoor heel snel af, nadat de neus van zijn kist richting de ruimte wees, trekt hij zijn toestel weer snel horizontaal en vliegt dan verder.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/03/2019 | 12:46 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 31/03/2019 | 12:36 uur
Sinds wanneer heeft een voorvlieg demonstratie met een kist zonder externe wapens & peut tanks, interne munitie en in de kist een minimale hoeveelheid peut  wat te maken met een oorlogsmissie ?

Eind jaren 80 gaven de Sovjets een heel indrukwekkende demo show met hun tail-sliding (*) MiG-29.  Dat werd heel breed uitgemeten in de media.
"So-de-mieters, dat doen onze jachtvliegtuigen niet !"
De Zweden, ook nooit vies van gewaagd demo vliegen deden daarna het zelfde, maar dan met een J-35 Draken, een ontwerp uit de fifties.
Frankrijk kon niet achterblijven, dus gaf ook een zeer indrukkende Mirage 2000 demo, met o.a. een tail-slide, waarbij de kist na terugval uit die tail-slide zelfs 185 km/u achteruit vloog.   Die Draken demo kwam nooit in het nieuws, alleen de Mirage 2000 tail-slide kwam in een artikel achterin het Duitse luchtvaartblad "Flug Revue".

* = tail-slide = De vlieger trekt zijn kist in een hoge invalshoek van 70, 80 tot zelfs 90 a 100 graden t.o.v. de horizon.  De kist remt hierdoor heel snel af, nadat de neus van zijn kist richting de ruimte wees, trekt hij zijn toestel weer snel horizontaal en vliegt dan verder.

Poleme, daar gaat het niet om. Onder andere Pierre Sprey verkondigde dat de F-35 totaal niet wendbaar was ongeacht de omstandigheden. Natuurlijk laat zo'n demo maar een beperkt beeld zien. Dat weet als het goed is iedereen.

De testeenheden inclusief 323 TES weten wel wat een afgetankte F-35A met 2 x GBU-31 en 2 x AIM-120 kan ten opzichte van bijv. een F-16 met dezelfde uitrusting.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 31/03/2019 | 13:59 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 31/03/2019 | 12:46 uur
Poleme, daar gaat het niet om. Onder andere Pierre Sprey verkondigde dat de F-35 totaal niet wendbaar was ongeacht de omstandigheden. Natuurlijk laat zo'n demo maar een beperkt beeld zien. Dat weet als het goed is iedereen.

De testeenheden inclusief 323 TES weten wel wat een afgetankte F-35A met 2 x GBU-31 en 2 x AIM-120 kan ten opzichte van bijv. een F-16 met dezelfde uitrusting.
Sparkplug, de F-16 vervanger kandidaten evaluatie van 2001 / 2002 toonde aan dat de toen al vliegende Rafale en toen nog alleen op papier bestaande 'JSF', later F-35A qua vlieg-prestaties veel met elkaar gemeen hadden.  Maar ... de F-35A werd enkele jaren later,  3.000 lbs / 1.361 kg te zwaar bevonden.  Dat is een slecht teken, want al zo vroeg in de werkelijke ontwerp en ontwikkeling fase.
De ingenieurs wisten die 3.000 pond er weer af te krijgen, een grote prestatie.  Maar dat kwam wel tegen een hoge prijs, de F-35 werd zo moeilijker en duurder om te bouwen.
Zo werden er zaken als bliksem-inslag bescherming voorzieningen, brand-blus installaties, etcetera in 2003 / 2004 verwijderd.  Later moesten dit soort zaken alsnog weer ingebouwd worden.  Ook het airframe (casco) en motor behuizing werden zo licht mogelijk gemaakt.  Uiteindelijk bleken zowel airframe als motor te licht geconstrueerd te zijn,
beiden hebben inmiddels diverse gewicht-verhogende modificaties ondergaan.

Inmiddels is de F-35A weer over het streef ontwerp gewicht, welke negatieve gevolgen heeft voor de vlieg-prestaties.  Kinetisch gezien is de F-35A op vele fronten de mindere van de F-16AM. We gaan de F-35A net als de F-16AM hoofdzakelijk inzetten als jachtbommenwerper.  Dus is vooral het vliegbereik relevant, dat nu bij de F-35A lager gaat uitvallen dan geëist.  Maar nog steeds aanzienlijk groter is dan van een F-16AM of F-16C.

Maaruh zijn die t.o.v. de F-16AM en F-16C mindere prestaties dan geen probleem ?
Ik weet nog goed toen de eerste F-15A Eagles naar Soesterberg kwamen.  Zowel op Within Visual Range (WVR) als Beyond Visual Range (BVR) was dit jachtvliegtuig een hele grote stap voorwaarts tegenover F-4E Phantom of F-5A Freedom Fighter of F-5E Tiger.
Als alle apparatuur aan boord van de F-15A naar behoren werkte, dan werd de F-15A eind jaren 70 / begin jaren 80 beschouwd als invincible / onoverwinnelijk.
Let wel, de F-15C is qua vlieg-prestaties zelfs de betere dan de Su-27 Flanker familie !
Toch wisten Belgische F-16A vliegers een deuk te slaan in die F-15A onoverwinnelijkheid, door vanaf AFB Bitburg opererende F-15A's in realistische WVR oefen gevechten te verslaan.   De F-15A vliegers maakten zich daar niet druk over, want dit type werd toen al als te duur beschouwd om primair dogfights / korte afstand kring-gevechten aan te gaan.

De F-22A Raptor maakte weer een grote stap in WVR en BVR vlieg-prestaties en avionica capaciteiten. 
Maar ga je een USD 138 miljoen dure kist riskeren in een WVR dogfight, waar je stealth / Low Observable (LO) alleen maar tegen je werken, want honderden kilo's extra Radar Absorbent Material en niet altijd aerodynamisch verantwoorde Radar Deflecting romp en vleugel vormgeving ?  Nee dus.
Ga je met je F-16AM met twee 2.000 ponders, stoorgondel, 2x 1.400 liter tanks en wat air-to-air raketten een korte afstand kring-gevecht aan ?
Nee dus, want een F-16AM in bovengenoemde zware jachtbommenwerper configuratie kan je nooit 9G trekken, maar hooguit 5,5G.
Je kunt je externe lasten natuurlijk droppen en wel het dogfight aangaan, maar dan heeft de tegenvoeter wel jouw lucht-grond missie weten te beëindigen.

In het eisen-pakket van het JSF programma, staat dat de F-35 met interne 2.000 ponders wel 9G moet kunnen trekken !
Daarnaast heeft de F-35 qua BVR capaciteiten een enorme stap voorwaarts gemaakt ten opzichte van F-16AM, F-16C en een grote stap tegenover de F-18C en F-15C.
Want de F-35 kan 360 graden rondom op aanzienlijk grotere afstanden niet alleen een vliegend object detecteren.  Maar deze ook op veel grotere afstand identificeren, lokaliseren , volgen en dus doeltreffend aanvallen.  Je gaat met een kist die circa USD 200 miljoen kost zo veel mogelijk een riskant, want chaotisch, korte afstand WVR gevecht uit de weg en dat kan dan ook.

Het tijdperk van het dogfight is (nog) niet voorbij, maar BVR gevechten zullen zowel in lucht-grond als lucht-lucht operaties structureel het leeuwendeel voor hun rekening gaan nemen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 31/03/2019 | 14:07 uur
Twitter: Steve Trimble @TheDEWLine

"Gen. Dunford said on Tuesday that the F-15EX would be 50% cheaper to operate than the F-35A, so I asked the Joint Staff for the supporting data. They just sent me an email saying their analysis shows a $29,000 cost per flight hour for F-15EX and $44,000 for F-35A. That's 51.7%"
14:30 - 29 mrt. 2019 vanuit Washington, DC

zie: https://twitter.com/TheDEWLine/status/1111742444935233541


Poleme: topic Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen, deel 5,  Reactie #1263 Gepost op: 23/11/2015 | 13:34 uur

"Operational Cost Per Flight Hour (directe + indirecte kosten) in Fiscal Year 2014:

Type                              CPFH in US Dollars      index
F-16C/D                          21.415                       64,4
F-15E Strike Eagle          33.260                      100
F-22A Raptor                 ~66.000                      198,4
B-1B Lancer                     58.838                      176,9

F-35A LightningII         67.549                      203,1         

Noot: er vliegen nu ruim 160 F-35's rond, die zitten door de hoge initieele kosten nog ergens in het 'hoge voeteneinde'  van de levensduurkosten 'badkuip doorsnede'.
Diverse ingewijden in de US Air Force schatten de uiteindelijke F-35A CPFH tussen de USD 40.000 - 50.000.

zie: https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/index.php?topic=26504.msg371514#msg371514

;D  I love it, when predictions and facts come together.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/04/2019 | 08:39 uur
China mulls to buy Russia's Su-57 stealth fighter jet

http://www.ecoti.in/IviEHY via @economictimes
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 01/04/2019 | 10:05 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/04/2019 | 08:39 uur
China mulls to buy Russia's Su-57 stealth fighter jet

http://www.ecoti.in/IviEHY via @economictimes

Ook de Russen moeten oppassen voor de copierkunde  van de Chinezen want daar lijkt het wel op a;s je ziet hoe de nieuwste Chinese vliegtuigen etc. eruit zien
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 01/04/2019 | 12:37 uur
Russia offers palm oil defence offset

LANGKAWI: Russia is committed to drastically increasing its purchase of palm oil from Malaysia, said its top defence procurement official.

The palm oil purchase will entail an offset deal leading to the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) disposing of its two squadrons of 18 decommissioned MiG-29N Fulcrum jets.

Russia is already assisting in refurbishing the ageing fleet of 18 Sukhoi Su-30MKM Flankers, via its local partner ATSC Corp, reportedly for RM2.2 billion — thus expanding its serviceability for another 15 years.

And it is now even looking at offering the RMAF the fourth-generation Su-35 or even its latest Su-57E (the equivalent of the United States' F-22) if it wants to upgrade.

Rostec State Corp international cooperation and regional policy director Viktor Kladov told the New Straits Times Russia was willing to buy Malaysian palm oil in substantial amounts to improve the bilateral trade balance, with the possibility of trade-offs for arms and defence procurement and transfer of technology and job spin-offs.

"We are aware of the palm oil ban for biofuels in Europe and Russia is ever-ready to help Malaysia by buying more palm oil. At present, 90 per cent of Russia's palm oil is imported from Indonesia and we intend to change that (in Malaysia's favour).

"I have personally spoken with Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad on this matter at a private meeting with him yesterday, and applauded him for his great vision. This can lead to improved defence offset packages that can greatly benefit Malaysia," he said in a special interview at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace exhibition (Lima) 2019 at the Mahsuri International Exhibition Centre in Padang Matsirat.

Europe is the largest buyer of Malaysian palm oil after India and now even China has reduced imports of the commodity.

Kladov was a prime mover in enhancing Russia-Malaysia defence relations during Dr Mahathir's first 22-year tenure as prime minister.

It culminated with a several hundred million dollar offset deal, involving palm oil, with Malaysia initially procuring 18 MiG-29N Fulcrum air superiority fighters in 1995.

The MiG-29N — two of which crashed in 1998 and 2005, respectively — was decommissioned in 2017 owing to high maintenance costs of RM262 million a year.

Several countries, including Bangladesh and India, are keen to buy the MiG-29N.

Subsequently, in 2003, Malaysia purchased 18 Flankers from Russia's Irkut Corp for US$900 million (RM3.67 billion), also involving palm oil purchase.

The offset deal led to the country's first space programme with Malaysia's first astronaut to the International Space Station in 2007.

Owing to budgetary constraints, the RMAF has deferred its multi-role combat aircraft (MRCA) programme to 2025.

Instead, it is looking at improving on its lead-in fighter jet fleet, which is made up of the Italian Aermacchi MB339.

"In fact, Russia's Yak 130 is similarly designed after the Aermacchi and we are prepared to trade in RMAF's ageing fleet," said Kladov.

He added that he also had a discussion with RMAF chief General Tan Sri Affendi Buang who was keen on strengthening and improving the serviceability of its fighter jets.

"He is all for Russia to give strong technical and maintenance support for its existing Sukhoi fleet. Affendi is not in favour of procuring too many fighter jets as Malaysia is a small maritime nation," said Kladov.

On another matter, Kladov said the Fire and Rescue Department and the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency were interested in procuring up to eight units of Ansat, Mil Mi-8/17 and Kamov Ka-32A11DC from Russian Helicopters, a division of Rostec State Corp.

"These helicopter models, which can be traded in for the ol-der fleet of the agencies, are ideal for fire-fighting, emergency medical services, as well as search and rescue missions," he said.

[Source: https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2019/03/473942/russia-offers-palm-oil-defence-offset ]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 01/04/2019 | 12:44 uur
Su-35 of Su-57's voor Maleisië  in ruil voor palm olie  ;D Ik begrijp dit soort landen nooit, ze hebben 3 type fighter jets: Su-30's (18x) , MIG-29's (13x) en F/A-18 ( 8x ) kies gewoon voor 1 type. :silent:

Maleisië is ook opzoek naar vervanging voor de BAE Hawk's (13x), hiervoor zijn de JF-17 ( Pakistan), T-50 (Korea), Yak-130 (Rusland), M-346 (Italie), Tejas (India) & Hawks (UK). Ze willen 36 stuks aankopen, maar er is aangegeven dat ze 1 of 2 JF-17's willen kopen om ze te testen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 01/04/2019 | 17:34 uur
Godver de godverdomme...

Dat doen ze alleen maar omdat de hele westerse wereld palmolie gaat verbieden omdat de verbouwing en verwerking ervan zo ongeveer het schadelijkste proces is voor deze planeet van allemaal.

Maleisië was heeeel boos.. en indonesie..want met een beter EU beleid Hebben ze die 4 triljard hectare regenwoud voor niets af laten fikken..

En dan hebben we de Russen. Jaja.. wat een eikels.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/04/2019 | 20:27 uur
99 House lawmakers push for more F-35s

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/04/01/99-house-lawmakers-urge-more-f-35s/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/04/2019 | 08:04 uur
Here's What Three Italian F-35 Instructor Pilots With 62nd FS Have To Say About Their First Red Flag With The Lightning II:

https://theaviationist.com/2019/04/02/heres-what-three-italian-f-35-instructor-pilots-with-62nd-fs-have-to-say-about-their-first-red-flag-with-the-lightning-ii/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/04/2019 | 22:39 uur
Here's Where Boeing Aims To Take The Super Hornet In The Decades To Come

The Block III program will take deliveries of new and revamped jets out to 2033 and Boeing also sees big potential for export sales and more upgrades.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27272/heres-where-boeing-aims-to-take-the-super-hornet-in-the-decades-to-come
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/04/2019 | 22:43 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/04/2019 | 22:39 uur
Here's Where Boeing Aims To Take The Super Hornet In The Decades To Come

The Block III program will take deliveries of new and revamped jets out to 2033 and Boeing also sees big potential for export sales and more upgrades.


Nog niet zolang geleden leek de Super Hornet ten dode opgeschreven, nu lijken ze spring levend en nemen ze wellicht een aanzienlijk hap uit de F35C- of zelfs uit de FA/XX taart.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 04/04/2019 | 09:29 uur
Boeing in $4 billion deal for F/A-18E/F Block III Super Hornets  (dit zal idd waarschijnlijk ten koste gaan van de F-35C )

Boeing has secured a three-year contract for 78 F/A-18E/F Block III Super Hornets, with a total contract value of approximately $4 billion.

"Boeing will begin converting existing Block II Super Hornets to Block III early in the next decade," says a company statement. "The fighter's life also will be extended from 6,000 hours to 10,000 hours."

The company says that the multi-year contract will save a minimum of $395 million, as it allows for the scheduling of future production.

"This multiyear contract will provide significant savings for taxpayers and the U.S. Navy while providing the capacity it needs to help improve readiness," says Dan Gillian, vice president of F/A-18 and EA-18G programs.

"A multi-year contract helps the F/A-18 team seek out suppliers with a guaranteed three years of production, instead of negotiating year to year. It helps both sides with planning, and we applaud the US Navy on taking the appropriate steps needed to help solve its readiness challenges."

The Block III upgrade package includes a range of structural and sensor upgrades, but it crucially adds the ability to receive and transfer large amounts of sensor data with other Super Hornets and the Northrop Grumman E-2D Advanced Hawkeye.

It also adds a second-generation infrared search and track (IRST) sensor, allowing the Super Hornet to detect and track enemy aircraft without giving away its own position by using its radar. The IRST is able to detect even targets stealthy to radar at long ranges, but a single sensor on one aircraft does not provide enough clarity to provide targeting information to a guided missile.

The Block III package also adds the Rockwell Collins Tactical Targeting Network Technology (TTNT) radio and an advanced processor. Those upgrades allow two or more F/A-18E/Fs to share IRST sensor data, giving a single fighter enough information to use for a targeting solution.

The addition of conformal fuel tanks increase's the aircraft's range, and the Block III also has a reduced radar cross section (RCS).

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/boeing-in-4-billion-deal-for-fa-18ef-block-iii-s-456800/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/04/2019 | 09:37 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/04/2019 | 22:43 uur
Nog niet zolang geleden leek de Super Hornet ten dode opgeschreven, nu lijken ze spring levend en nemen ze wellicht een aanzienlijk hap uit de F35C- of zelfs uit de FA/XX taart.

Als onderstaande quote uit het artikel klopt, dan valt dat op zich wel mee.

CitaatThe service expects to reach initial operational capability with the new Super Hornets in 2021 and have one squadron of Block III jets per carrier air wing by 2024. This is set to grow to two squadrons in each carrier air wing three years after that.

De US Navy houdt een behoorlijk aantal Super Hornets in reserve. Sowieso hebben de CVW's vier USMC squadrons (nu Hornet en straks F-35C) nodig voor de opvulling. De US Navy deactiveerde in de jaren 90 iets te veel squadrons, waardoor de USMC nodig was.

Weet dat sommigen het niet met mij eens zijn, maar op dit moment is naar mijn mening een CVW het beste af met 2 x F/A-18E/F Block III en 2 x F-35C.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 05/04/2019 | 09:42 uur
Navy's Next-Generation Fighter Analysis Due Out this Summer

https://shar.es/am8mKC
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/04/2019 | 09:53 uur
Marines Accelerating F-35C Procurement to Support Carrier Deployments; F-35B Buys Would Slow

https://news.usni.org/2019/04/04/marines-accelerating-f-35c-procurement-support-carrier-deployments-f-35b-buys-slow
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/04/2019 | 19:04 uur
French Air Force, Navy conduct technical-operational evaluation firings of Meteor

https://www.janes.com/article/87715/french-air-force-navy-conduct-technical-operational-evaluation-firings-of-meteor
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 06/04/2019 | 00:35 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 04/04/2019 | 09:37 uur
Als onderstaande quote uit het artikel klopt, dan valt dat op zich wel mee.

De US Navy houdt een behoorlijk aantal Super Hornets in reserve. Sowieso hebben de CVW's vier USMC squadrons (nu Hornet en straks F-35C) nodig voor de opvulling. De US Navy deactiveerde in de jaren 90 iets te veel squadrons, waardoor de USMC nodig was.

Weet dat sommigen het niet met mij eens zijn, maar op dit moment is naar mijn mening een CVW het beste af met 2 x F/A-18E/F Block III en 2 x F-35C.
Onderbouw dan a.u.b. waarom volgens jou dan een CVW het beste af is met 2 F-18E/F block 3 squadrons en 2x F-35C squadrons ?

Ik vindt juist dat men de F-35C moet annuleren, zie:

                                                   Optie 1                             Optie 2                             Optie 3

gemiddeld bereik                      1.343 km  ( 80)                 1.461 km  ( 87)                 1.671 km  ( 99)

gemiddelde nuttige lading          3.830 kg   ( 66)                 7.221 kg   (125)                5.373 kg   ( 93)

aantal jaren om dit te bereiken       nooit                              15 jaar                             5 jaar

Luchtvloot samenstellingen op vliegdekschepen:

Optie 1:  6x EA-18G Growlers,   24x F-18E/F Super Hornets,   6x UCAV's,      20x F-35C's,          5x E-2D Hawkeye's = 61 kisten  (72 = index t.o.v. USS Nimitz, 1986)

Optie 2:  6x EA-18G Growlers,   36x F-18E/F Super Hornets,   6x UCAV's,      10x F-35C's,          5x E-2D Hawkeye's = 63 kisten.  (74)
                                                                                                                 
Optie 3:  6x EA-18G Growlers,   44x F-18E/F Super Hornets,   12x UCAV's,   4x K-UCAV's* ,        5x E-2D Hawkeye's = 71 kisten.   (84)
             
link:  https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/index.php?topic=21921.msg439429#msg439429       Reactie #309


Maar !!!, de F-18E/F Super Hornet was oorspronkelijk bedoelt als een "overbrugging naar 2025".  De US Navy geloofde nooit dat de JSF System Development & Demonstration (SDD) al in 2012 zou zijn afgelopen.  De F-18E/F 'Super Bug' zou dan dienen als interim tussen F-18C/D, uitgefaseerde F-14D Tomcats en A-6E intruders en tijdens transitie naar F-35C.

De toenemende Chinese dreiging vraagt echter om een "air superiority" type met een veel groter bereik en een grotere nuttige lading.
De US Air Force is op zoek naar een F-22A Raptor en F-15C Eagle vervanger met vergelijkbare specificaties in het "Penetrating Counter Air / PCA" programma.
Het PCA project moet in de jaren 30 een nieuwe kist in dienst kunnen stellen.
De Japanse luchtmacht heeft ook behoefte aan een nieuwe luchtoverwicht-jager met een grote nuttige lading en een veel groter bereik dan huidige types zoals hun F-2 en F-15J.
Zie ook Jurrien Visser's post hier beneden met de Navy's Next-Generation Fighter Analysis betreffende de F/A-XX, die in de jaren 30 de F-18 Hornet moet vervangen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/04/2019 | 10:35 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 06/04/2019 | 00:35 uur
Onderbouw dan a.u.b. waarom volgens jou dan een CVW het beste af is met 2 F-18E/F block 3 squadrons en 2x F-35C squadrons ?

Ik vindt juist dat men de F-35C moet annuleren, zie:

                                                   Optie 1                             Optie 2                             Optie 3

gemiddeld bereik                      1.343 km  ( 80)                 1.461 km  ( 87)                 1.671 km  ( 99)

gemiddelde nuttige lading          3.830 kg   ( 66)                 7.221 kg   (125)                5.373 kg   ( 93)

aantal jaren om dit te bereiken       nooit                              15 jaar                             5 jaar

Luchtvloot samenstellingen op vliegdekschepen:

Optie 1:  6x EA-18G Growlers,   24x F-18E/F Super Hornets,   6x UCAV's,      20x F-35C's,          5x E-2D Hawkeye's = 61 kisten  (72 = index t.o.v. USS Nimitz, 1986)

Optie 2:  6x EA-18G Growlers,   36x F-18E/F Super Hornets,   6x UCAV's,      10x F-35C's,          5x E-2D Hawkeye's = 63 kisten.  (74)
                                                                                                                 
Optie 3:  6x EA-18G Growlers,   44x F-18E/F Super Hornets,   12x UCAV's,   4x K-UCAV's* ,        5x E-2D Hawkeye's = 71 kisten.   (84)
             
link:  https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/index.php?topic=21921.msg439429#msg439429       Reactie #309


Maar !!!, de F-18E/F Super Hornet was oorspronkelijk bedoelt als een "overbrugging naar 2025".  De US Navy geloofde nooit dat de JSF System Development & Demonstration (SDD) al in 2012 zou zijn afgelopen.  De F-18E/F 'Super Bug' zou dan dienen als interim tussen F-18C/D, uitgefaseerde F-14D Tomcats en A-6E intruders en tijdens transitie naar F-35C.

Omdat in 2027 per CVW maar 2 squadrons Super Hornet Block III zijn. Zie link in reactie #3406 en citaat in reactie #3409. De kwantiteit nieuwe Block III en de oudere Block II met Block III upgrades zijn niet genoeg om alles gevuld te krijgen. Zeker niet voor de genoemde opties 2 en 3. De US Navy stopt namelijk niet alles in de actieve VFA-squadrons (er zijn niet eens genoeg actieve VFA squadrons). Er blijft een hoop in reserve en onderhoud. En dan hebben de CVW's ook nog steeds te maken met vier USMC F-35C squadrons.

De oorspronkelijke US Navy order van 260 x F-35C is zelfs omhoog gegaan naar 273 stuks. Daar zijn zij nog steeds niet van afgeweken.

Onderverdeling oorspronkelijke F-35B/F-35C order van 680 stuks:
340 x F-35B USMC
80 x F-35C USMC
260 x F-35C USN

Onderverdeling huidige F-35B/F-35C order van 693 stuks:
353 x F-35B USMC
67 x F-35C USMC
273 x F-35C USN

De ontwikkeling van de F135 motor upgrades loopt en GE is nu ook bezig met een alternatief. Allemaal om de prestaties extra te verhogen. Verder begint deze maand de uitrol van Block 4 en dat loopt tot eind 2024. Block 4 geeft onder andere op het gebied van air-to-air en ASuW extra slagkracht. De US Navy pakt alles anders aan dan USAF en USMC, maar dat betekent niet dat zij niet achter de F-35C staan. Zowel NAS Lemoore als MCAS Miramar zijn druk bezig met de F-35C opzet. Later komt de oostkust.

Citaat van: Poleme op 06/04/2019 | 00:35 uur
De toenemende Chinese dreiging vraagt echter om een "air superiority" type met een veel groter bereik en een grotere nuttige lading.
De US Air Force is op zoek naar een F-22A Raptor en F-15C Eagle vervanger met vergelijkbare specificaties in het "Penetrating Counter Air / PCA" programma.
Het PCA project moet in de jaren 30 een nieuwe kist in dienst kunnen stellen.
De Japanse luchtmacht heeft ook behoefte aan een nieuwe luchtoverwicht-jager met een grote nuttige lading en een veel groter bereik dan huidige types zoals hun F-2 en F-15J.
Zie ook Jurrien Visser's post hier beneden met de Navy's Next-Generation Fighter Analysis betreffende de F/A-XX, die in de jaren 30 de F-18 Hornet moet vervangen.

Zien wat er uit de US Navy alternatieven analyse komende zomer komt. Het zal er mede van afhangen hoe snel de F/A-XX kan worden ontwikkeld.

De ene helft van de F-15J kwantiteit wordt door de F-35 vervangen en de andere helft van de F-15J wordt inderdaad samen met de F-2 door de toekomstige 'F-3' vervangen.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/04/2019 | 11:12 uur
Uit de oude doos, maar toch een nieuw artikel, de moeite van het lezen waard...

The Only Man Who Flew Both The F-22 And The YF-23 On Why The YF-23 Lost

Test Pilot Paul Metz gives an in-depth brief on the YF-23 and the Advanced Tactical Fighter program, including his thoughts on why the F-22 won.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27309/the-only-man-who-flew-both-the-f-22-and-the-yf-23-on-why-the-yf-23-lost
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/04/2019 | 11:30 uur
Poland hopeful of speeding F-35 acquisition

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/poland-hopeful-of-speeding-f-35-acquisition-457275/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/04/2019 | 11:48 uur
Wellicht niet helemaal het geschikte topic..

MIT And NASA Unveil Radical New Airplane Wing Design

https://interestingengineering.com/mit-and-nasa-unveil-radical-new-airplane-wing-design
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 06/04/2019 | 15:23 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/04/2019 | 11:12 uur
Uit de oude doos, maar toch een nieuw artikel, de moeite van het lezen waard...

The Only Man Who Flew Both The F-22 And The YF-23 On Why The YF-23 Lost

Test Pilot Paul Metz gives an in-depth brief on the YF-23 and the Advanced Tactical Fighter program, including his thoughts on why the F-22 won.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27309/the-only-man-who-flew-both-the-f-22-and-the-yf-23-on-why-the-yf-23-lost
Interessant Jurrien.

Paul Metz gaf begin jaren 90 eens een interview en zei dit toen ook al.   Iemand uit het Pentagon was het daar mee eens en voegde toen toe dat de YF-23 betere supercruise (supersonische kruisvlucht) prestaties en steelser / meer Low Observable was dan de YF-22.  De F-22 werd volgens de official uit het Pentagon gekozen, omdat de F-23 moeilijker te bouwen, riskanter om te ontwikkelen en duurder om aan te schaffen en te exploiteren was.

De official zei vervolgens dat de YF-23 voortleeft in een ander programma, maar wilde niet zeggen in welk programma.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/04/2019 | 10:32 uur
F-35 on track to hit 80% mission capability rate by September 2019

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-35-on-track-to-hit-80-mission-capability-rate-by-457284/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/04/2019 | 11:20 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/04/2019 | 10:32 uur
F-35 on track to hit 80% mission capability rate by September 2019


Lijkt mij een prima inzetbaarheid, Dit getal handhaven over de komende decennia zal wellicht een uitdaging zijn.

Vertaald naar 37 en 52 F35A's voor de KLu zou dit respectievelijk betekenen: 29,6 en 41,6 kisten inzetbaar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/04/2019 | 11:37 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/04/2019 | 11:20 uur
Lijkt mij een prima inzetbaarheid, Dit getal handhaven over de komende decennia zal wellicht een uitdaging zijn.

Vertaald naar 37 en 52 F35A's voor de KLu zou dit respectievelijk betekenen: 29,6 en 41,6 kisten inzetbaar.

Tegen de tijd dat de 37e is afgeleverd, dan moet de inzetbaarheid hoger zijn.

CitaatAnd, the entire F-35 Lightning II fleet should reach an 80% mission capability rate by September 2020, says Vice Admiral Mathias Winter, executive officer of the Joint Programme Office (JPO) in prepared testimony before the US House Armed Services Tactical Air and Land Forces Subcommittee on 4 April.

In september 2020 worden de laatste van 141 F-35's met oudere Block versies voorzien van Block 3F
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/04/2019 | 14:03 uur
Navy Fighter Readiness Nearing 80 Percent Mission Capable Target

https://news.usni.org/2019/04/05/42436
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 07/04/2019 | 15:20 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 07/04/2019 | 14:03 uur
Navy Fighter Readiness Nearing 80 Percent Mission Capable Target

https://news.usni.org/2019/04/05/42436
The JSF program can talk the talk, but can they walk the walk ?

Citaat uit bovengenoemd artikel:

"We're on a trajectory to reach 80-percent capability by the end of the year," Winter said.

Currently, the F-35A variant used by the Air Force has an availability rate of 61 percent, the F-35B short take-off and vertical landing variant has an availability rate of 64 percent, and the F-35C carrier variant has an availability rate of 84 percent, Winter said.

When F-35 squadrons deploy, Winter said they now bring spare parts packages with them. With those packages, Winter said, "those mission capability rates average between 65 and 85 percent."
Type:                                  Inzetbaarheid %:
F-35A:                                   61 %
F-35B:                                   54 %
F-35C:                                   84 %.

Tja,  maar dan: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27047/the-navys-operational-f-35c-is-fully-mission-capable-less-than-five-percent-of-time?xid=twittershare

The Navy's "Operational" F-35C Is Fully Mission Capable Less Than Five Percent Of The Time.

Newly available data shows that less than 15 percent of the U.S. Marine Corps F-35B Joint Strike Fighters and around just two percent of the U.S. Navy's F-35Cs were fully mission capable at any given time, on average, for more than two years at least. The details come as the readiness rates for aviation fleets across both services have plummeted in recent years. It is also a clear indication that they will have a difficult time meeting the target of 80 percent mission capability rates for both aircraft by the end of the 2019 Fiscal Year that former Secretary of Defense James Mattis had mandated last year.

Inzetbaarheid F-35B: < 15 %.
Inzetbaarheid F-35C: rond de 2 % !,    Hoe kan dat nou ?

Concurrency. Ooh my dear baby, first you have to learn how to crawl, then to walk, after that you can start trying to run.

Toen de B-1B Lancer productie werd begonnen, stonden de bouwvakkers nog de productie hallen af te bouwen.
In het B-1B programma zat een overlapping tussen ontwikkeling en productie.   Met als resultaat dat de afgeleverde B-1B's vol zaten met tekortkomingen in het airframe (casco), avionica en mechanische en hydraulische boord-apparatuur.  Dit had tot gevolg dat dit type structureel gezien onbetrouwbaar werd, veel tijd en pecunia verspild werden aan noodzakelijke Begin Life Updates en de B-1B daardoor slecht inzetbaar was.  Het JSF project heeft ook te maken met deze "concurrency".
En laat al de DOTE (Director of Operational Testing & Evaluation) rapporten betreffende de F-35 nou net hetzelfde zien.  In de laatste DOTE rapporten is de bar slechte inzetbaarheid zelfs weggelaten.

Als de F-35 kon worden voortgestuwd door alle leugens, verdraaiingen, verzwijgingen gedaan in het JSF project, dan zou de F-35 de iconische SR-71 er met gemak uit kunnen vliegen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 09/04/2019 | 13:54 uur
Via @JCdeGraaf

CitaatLeger Japan: F-35 straaljager van de radar verdwenen nabij de Japanse Oostkust.


Citaat
SDF fighter jet disappears
Japan's Air Self-Defense Force says an F35A fighter jet disappeared from radar over the sea off Aomori Prefecture, northern Japan, at around 7:30 p.m. Tuesday, Japan Time.

ASDF officials said the aircraft took off from Misawa air base at around 7:00 p.m., and disappeared at a point about 135 kilometers east of Misawa City.

The officials said Maritime Self-Defense Force aircraft and vessels have begun a search mission.

They said the missing F35A was supposed to carry out a training mission with three other jets of the same type.

The Coast Guard says it will dispatch two patrol ships to look for the jet.

Source: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20190409_45/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/04/2019 | 14:25 uur
Air2030: Flight and Ground Tests Begin for A New Fighter Jet (NKF) in Payerne

At a press conference in Bern, Ministry of Defence specialists reported on the flight and ground tests for a new fighter jet. The press conference marks the start of the trials, which begin this week in Payerne. The trials of the five candidate airplanes will take place until the end of June 2019.

At the press conference on 8 April 2019, various specialists from the Ministry of Defence provided information on the in-flight and ground tests that are about to take place in Payerne. The delegate of the head of the DDPS for the renewal of the means of protection of the airspace, Christian Catrina, briefly presented the NKF (New Combat Aircraft) project, followed by the NKF project manager at armasuisse, Darko Savic.

Then the heads of the NKF sub-project tests, Bernhard Berset from armasuisse and Cédric Aufranc, from the Air Force staff, described the evaluation process and the scope of the tests. Finally, Colonel Peter Merz, the Air Force's NKF deputy project head, explained the Air Force's mission and its need for a new fighter jet.

Test program

The tests include eight missions with specific tasks. Each mission is carried out with one or two fighter planes. The purpose of the missions is to check the capabilities of the aircraft as well as the data received. A flight will take place at night, but will end in any case before midnight. An introductory flight will take place before the flight and ground tests to allow foreign pilots to familiarize themselves with Swiss airspace. No test flight will take place on holidays or weekends.

The candidates will be tested in alphabetical order, according to the name of the builders:
-- Airbus, Germany, Eurofighter: Weeks 15 and 16
-- Boeing, USA, F / A-18 Super Hornet: Weeks 17 and 18
-- Dassault, France, Rafale: Weeks 20 and 21
-- Lockheed Martin, USA, F-35A: Weeks 23 and 24
-- Saab, Sweden, Gripen E: Weeks 25 and 26

Night flights are scheduled as follows (the reserve day is indicated in parentheses):
-- Monday, 15/04/2019 (16/04/2019)
-- Monday, 29/04/2019 (30/04/2019)
-- Monday, 20/05/2019 (21/05/2019)
-- Thursday, 06/06/2019 (06/11/2019)
-- Wednesday, 26/06/2019 (27/06/2019)

Press events in Payerne

The representatives of the media will have the opportunity to discover the different combat planes in Payerne on predefined dates. Accreditation is essential to participate. A separate registration is required for each event. The electronic registration form and further information on the press events are available on the DDPS website in the online file www.vbs.ch/air2030.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/201685/swiss-begin-new-fighter-evaluations.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 09/04/2019 | 14:32 uur
CitaatLeger Japan: F-35 straaljager van de radar verdwenen nabij de Japanse Oostkust.

Ehh was dat niet de bedoeling met stealth?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 09/04/2019 | 16:42 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 09/04/2019 | 14:32 uur
Ehh was dat niet de bedoeling met stealth?
Vliegen de F-35's in vredestijd niet met speciale radarreflectors om zichbaar te zijn voor het civiele luchtverkeer?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/04/2019 | 17:07 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 09/04/2019 | 16:42 uur
Vliegen de F-35's in vredestijd niet met speciale radarreflectors om zichbaar te zijn voor het civiele luchtverkeer?

De Luneburg reflectoren worden inderdaad o.a. daarvoor gebruikt. Het is niet bekend ze op deze Japanse F-35A nu ook waren geplaatst.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/04/2019 | 20:20 uur
Japan lost an F-35 in the Pacific, and the US is in trouble if Russia or China find it first

https://nordic.businessinsider.com/japan-lost-an-f-35-in-the-pacific-russia-or-china-may-find-it-first-2019-4/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 09/04/2019 | 21:53 uur
Vinden? Whut?

Dat ding is met mach zieikjenogeenkeer neergeknalt in een oceaan, alle stukken zijn naar de bodem gezonken. Ik denk niet dat er nog zo veel te vinden is. Het is geen WO2 propellorvliegtuig wat op het water land zonder al te veel schade en risico.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 09/04/2019 | 22:05 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 09/04/2019 | 21:53 uur
Vinden? Whut?
Dat ding is met mach zieikjenogeenkeer neergeknalt in een oceaan, alle stukken zijn naar de bodem gezonken. Ik denk niet dat er nog zo veel te vinden is. Het is geen WO2 propellorvliegtuig wat op het water land zonder al te veel schade en risico.

Wie zegt dat? Wat is de bewijsvoering hiervoor?
Het enige wat formeel bekend gesteld is, is het feit dat de kist van de radar is verdwenen en dat er een grote SAR actie is gestart.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 09/04/2019 | 22:14 uur
Citaat van: Lex op 09/04/2019 | 22:05 uur
Wie zegt dat? Wat is de bewijsvoering hiervoor?
Het enige wat formeel bekend gesteld is, is het feit dat de kist van de radar is verdwenen en dat er een grote SAR actie is gestart.
Ik denk dat ze vooral de piloot zoeken, maar dat denk ik
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 10/04/2019 | 09:53 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 09/04/2019 | 21:53 uur
Vinden? Whut?

Dat ding is met mach zieikjenogeenkeer neergeknalt in een oceaan, alle stukken zijn naar de bodem gezonken. Ik denk niet dat er nog zo veel te vinden is. Het is geen WO2 propellorvliegtuig wat op het water land zonder al te veel schade en risico.
Ook als dat zo is kun je uit bepaalde brokstukken, hoe klein misschien ook, nog steeds hele waardevolle informatie halen over de kist.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 10/04/2019 | 14:16 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 10/04/2019 | 09:53 uur
Ook als dat zo is kun je uit bepaalde brokstukken, hoe klein misschien ook, nog steeds hele waardevolle informatie halen over de kist.

Maar hoe vindt je die dan? En hoe ga je dat verzamelen? Ik denk dat als ze hele airliners niet meer kunnen vinden, die met alle stoelen, bagage en rotzooi nog makkelijker op te sporen zijn ook na een zeecrash je je helemaal gaat rotzoeken naar een 'straaljagertje'. Dan denk ik ook nog eens dat het Westen zoiets eerder vindt dan de Russen en Chinezen en dan is een dieptebom of wat dan ook genoeg om het af te maken. Ik heb dit scenario nooit zo goed begrepen :) .
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 10/04/2019 | 16:48 uur
Vermiste JSF terecht, piloot nog zoek

De F35A, een 'basismodel' van de nieuwe Amerikaanse straaljagers van Lockheed-Martin, was dinsdag met één vlieger aan boord voor een trainingsvlucht opgestegen van de luchtmachtbasis van Misawa, circa 540 kilometer ten noorden van Tokio. Het toestel was 28 minuten in de lucht, toen het boven zee verdween.

De F35A, een 'basismodel' van de nieuwe Amerikaanse straaljagers van Lockheed-Martin, was dinsdag met één vlieger aan boord voor een trainingsvlucht opgestegen van de luchtmachtbasis van Misawa, circa 540 kilometer ten noorden van Tokio. Het toestel was 28 minuten in de lucht, toen het boven zee verdween.

Het is de tweede keer dat een F-35 staaljager is neergestort. Het verongelukte gevechtsvliegtuig van Lockheed-Martin was het eerste toestel dat was gemonteerd door Mitsubushi Heavy Industries in Japan. Het bedrijf heeft nog niet op het ongeluk gereageerd.

https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/3421469/vermiste-jsf-terecht-piloot-nog-zoek
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 12/04/2019 | 01:40 uur
Spanje wil deelnemen aan het Frans-Duitse FCAS project, er schijnt in Februari een intentie verklaring getekend te zijn door de drie landen. Spanje wil een gelijkwaardig aandeel in het project.

https://www.infodefensa.com/es/2019/04/11/noticia-defensa-busca-implicar-industria-ciencia-financiacion.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/04/2019 | 07:57 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 12/04/2019 | 01:40 uur
Spanje wil deelnemen aan het Frans-Duitse FCAS project, er schijnt in Februari een intentie verklaring getekend te zijn door de drie landen. Spanje wil een gelijkwaardig aandeel in het project.


Oud nieuws toch?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 12/04/2019 | 08:18 uur
Oud nieuws
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 12/04/2019 | 11:20 uur
CitaatDefense Ministry: F35A had 2 emergency landings

Japan's Defense Ministry says an F35A fighter jet that crashed into the sea off northern Japan on Tuesday had made two emergency landings in the last two years. State Minister of Defense Kenji Harada was speaking at a Lower House committee meeting on Thursday. The minister referred to a test flight by US manufacturer Lockheed Martin in June, 2017, before Japan deployed the aircraft. He said the flight was aborted after a cooling system alert. The minister said the manufacturer found faults in the system and replaced the defective parts before delivering the jet to the defense ministry. A ministry official also said at the committee meeting that while the same aircraft was flying in bad weather last August, there was a malfunction in the position indicator. The Defense Ministry says the defective parts were replaced. The Air Self-Defense Force began deploying F35A jets at its Misawa base in Aomori Prefecture, northern Japan, in January last year. The ministry official told NHK that it's not known whether the two incidents were linked to Tuesday's crash.

[Source: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20190412_11/ ]

Citaat
Undersea search begins for ASDF fighter jet

Japan's Defense Ministry says an undersea search has begun for an Air Self-Defense Force fighter jet that crashed off Aomori Prefecture on Tuesday. Debris from the F-35A was found on Wednesday morning, but the pilot remains missing. Defense Minister Takeshi Iwaya told reporters on Friday that aircraft and ships from the Self-Defense Forces, the Coast Guard and the US military are continuing their search. He also said a submarine rescue ship of the Maritime Self-Defense Force began an undersea search on Friday morning. The ministry plans to expand its fleet of F-35 jets to 147 over the next 10 years. Iwaya said the ministry will focus on finding out the cause of the crash, and there has been no change to its deployment plan. Referring to the two emergency landings that the fighter made in the past, he said faulty parts were changed before it was put back into service. He added that the ministry plans to investigate whether the repairs had anything to do with the crash. Asked about concerns that China and Russia may try to recover the crashed jet, Iwaya said the ministry is monitoring foreign aircraft and vessels around the clock, and it has not detected any unusual activities.

[Source: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20190412_23/ ]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/04/2019 | 09:49 uur
Switzerland Starts New Round of Fighter Trials

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2019-04-13/switzerland-starts-new-round-fighter-trials
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/04/2019 | 12:47 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 15/04/2019 | 12:35 uur
Ze hadden nu ook een aandeel kunnen hebben in de productie van de Grippen. Die boot hebben ze mooi gemist.

Tja... je moet defensie aankopen ook niet aan het volk voorleggen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/04/2019 | 12:57 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/04/2019 | 12:47 uur
Tja... je moet defensie aankopen ook niet aan het volk voorleggen.

Klopt, echter ging het in 2014 alleen om de vervanging van de F-5E/F. Deze ronde zorgt ook voor vervanging van de F/A-18C/D.

Kan mij toch niet voorstellen dat ze in Bern straks net als in 2014 weer met boter en suiker erin gaan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/04/2019 | 13:02 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 15/04/2019 | 12:57 uur
Klopt, echter ging het in 2014 alleen om de vervanging van de F-5E/F. Deze ronde zorgt ook voor vervanging van de F/A-18C/D.

Kan mij toch niet voorstellen dat ze in Bern straks net als in 2014 weer met boter en suiker erin gaan.

Dat mag ik hopen, immers als je aan het volk vraagt: wat heb je liever 1 fighter of meer en betere zorg?, dan weet je het antwoord nu al.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/04/2019 | 10:12 uur
Greece eyes F-35s as F-16 replacement

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/greece-eyes-f-35s-as-f-16-replacement-457481/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/04/2019 | 13:56 uur
Boeing reveals concept images of new F-15EX

http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-defense-security-news/2019-news-aerospace-industry-air-force/april/4959-boeing-reveals-concept-images-of-new-f-15ex.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 16/04/2019 | 15:55 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 16/04/2019 | 10:12 uur
Greece eyes F-35s as F-16 replacement

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/greece-eyes-f-35s-as-f-16-replacement-457481/

Eerst denk ik ons eens gaan terugbetalen, idee?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/04/2019 | 16:00 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 16/04/2019 | 15:55 uur
Eerst denk ik ons eens gaan terugbetalen, idee?

Goed plan.... (al moet er wellicht weer geld bij mocht Turkije uit de NAVO gezet worden)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/04/2019 | 16:17 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 16/04/2019 | 15:55 uur
Eerst denk ik ons eens gaan terugbetalen, idee?

Kan ook via aankoop van schepen voor hun Marine.
Andere landen werken ook op deze manier, toch ...  :hrmph: ;) 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/04/2019 | 17:11 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 16/04/2019 | 16:17 uur
Kan ook via aankoop van schepen voor hun Marine.
Andere landen werken ook op deze manier, toch ...  :hrmph: ;)

Aangezien ze goede ervaringen hebben met (veel te vroeg) afgestoten Nederlandse schepen....  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/04/2019 | 17:39 uur
Russia completes deliveries of SU-35 fighter aircraft to China

https://www.janes.com/article/87934/russia-completes-deliveries-of-su-35-fighter-aircraft-to-china
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 18/04/2019 | 20:58 uur
Antwoord op vragen van de leden Bruins Slot en Van Helvert  (beiden CDA) over het bericht dat de VS Turkije uit F-35 programma dreigen te gooien om Russische raketten

De antwoorden. (https://www.tweedekamer.nl/downloads/document?id=fc0e5de1-d62e-4521-8afa-553ca1300eed&title=Antwoord%20op%20vragen%20van%20de%20leden%20Bruins%20Slot%20en%20Van%20Helvert%20over%20het%20bericht%20dat%20de%20VS%20Turkije%20uit%20F-35%20programma%20dreigen%20te%20gooien%20om%20Russische%20raketten.docx)

Kamerstuk, 18-04-2019

Dit zou ook in andere topics geplaatst kunnen worden, maar gezien de strekking alsnog hier geplaatst
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 19/04/2019 | 01:27 uur
Uit de kamerstukken ;
Citaat
4   
Acht u de kans reëel dat de VS, naast het stopzetten van het leveren van apparatuur aan Turkije, ook de Turkse industriële participatie in het F-35 programma stopzetten?
5   
Is het waar dat Lockheed Martin al druk op zoek is naar alternatieve toeleveranciers voor onderdelen van de F-35 productielijn?

De Amerikaanse overheid heeft Nederland begin april jl. geïnformeerd dat indien Turkije niet afziet van de levering, de VS dan zullen overwegen sancties in te stellen onder Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA). Tevens kan de deelname van Turkije als partner in het F-35 programma potentieel in gevaar komen. Daarnaast hebben de VS het F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) opdracht gegeven om activiteiten te initiëren om tot alternatieve toeleveranciers te komen voor componenten die in Turkije worden geproduceerd.

6   
Welke kansen en mogelijkheden ziet u voor de Nederlandse industrie om wegvallende Turkse participatie in het F-35 programma over te nemen? Bent u bereid deze proactief te helpen benutten? Zo nee, waarom niet?

Zoals ik heb vermeld maken de Amerikanen zich zorgen over de levering van het Russische S-400 luchtverdedigingssysteem aan Turkije. Nederland onderhoudt nauw contact met de VS over deze kwestie. Het is onwenselijk om in dit stadium openlijk te speculeren over mogelijke vervolgstappen in het programma. Turkije is op dit moment immers partner in het F-35 programma.

Hieruit mogen we opmaken dat de voorbereidingen voor het uitsluiten van de Turken aan het F-35 programma begonnen is achter gesloten deuren. Defensie kan / wil op dit moment niets ''in het open'' te vermelden zoals het zelf aan geeft. Dat betekend dat er achter de gesloten deuren wel aan wat touwtjes getrokken word om het werk her te verdelen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/04/2019 | 10:14 uur
F‐35 PEO: $75M Unit Cost By Lot 14 'Within The Art Of The Possible'

http://www.jsf.mil/news/releases/PEO_April_Inside_Defense_interview.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/04/2019 | 10:15 uur
F-15EX vs. F-35A

http://airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2019/May%202019/F-15EX-vs-F-35A-.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 22/04/2019 | 00:39 uur
Looks Like Poland Wants To Replace Its Soviet-era MiG-29 And Su-22 Jets With The F-35 At Any Cost

https://theaviationist.com/2019/04/20/looks-like-poland-wants-to-replace-its-soviet-era-mig-29-and-su-22-jets-with-the-f-35-at-any-cost/

32 F-35A's voor de Poolse luchtmacht  :hrmph: Ook Griekenland, Roemenie en Spanje overwegen de aankoop.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 22/04/2019 | 01:03 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 22/04/2019 | 00:39 uur
Looks Like Poland Wants To Replace Its Soviet-era MiG-29 And Su-22 Jets With The F-35 At Any Cost

https://theaviationist.com/2019/04/20/looks-like-poland-wants-to-replace-its-soviet-era-mig-29-and-su-22-jets-with-the-f-35-at-any-cost/

32 F-35A's voor de Poolse luchtmacht  :hrmph: Ook Griekenland, Roemenie en Spanje overwegen de aankoop.
Wat valt er te Hrmph-en ?

In Roemenie zijn ze zeer bang van de steeds agressiever wordende Russen.  Daarnaast kijken ze ook nog eens met zeer grote argusogen naar bepaalde landen (Bulgarije en Servie) in hun regio die nogal nauwe banden onderhouden met Moskou.

Ja, we hebben hele grote zakken met muntjes uitgeleend aan de Grieken.  Ook wij hadden in de kleine lettertjes kunnen laten opnemen, dat niet betalen betekend dat bepaalde zee-, of luchthavens voor lange tijd in onze handen vallen.  ;)
De Grieken streven overigens niet op termijn naar een volledige vloot van F-35A LightningII's.  Dat is niet alleen onbetaalbaar, maar zij zijn zich ook bewust dat de zogenaamde 5de generatie (marketing term) jachtvliegtuigen structureel niet aan de kwantiteit van bijvoorbeeld F-16C en Mirage 2000 vloten kunnen voldoen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 22/04/2019 | 02:16 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 22/04/2019 | 01:03 uur
Wat valt er te Hrmph-en ?
Het Hrmph-en heeft te maken met het aantal, een heel mooi aantal om te beginnen maar is het genoeg om de Su-22 en Mig-29's te vervangen?
Polen heeft 32 Su-22's + 28 Mig-29's rondvliegen,  dat zijn 60 toestellen vervangen door iets meer dan de helft.

Het aantal Su-22's op de engelse wikipedia staat op 32 stuks, de Poolse versie op 18 stuks. Van de 28 Mig's zijn er ook slechts 16 gemoderniseerd.

Misschien is het een begin met 32 F-35's maar als de poolse aantallen kloppen dan is 34 oude kisten vervangen door 32 moderne kisten geen verkeerd aantal. Het artikel zelf spreekt over een realistisch aantal van 16 F-35's voor de Polen met de wens om dat uit tebreiden naar 32 stuks.

Citaat van: Poleme op 22/04/2019 | 01:03 uur
In Roemenie zijn ze zeer bang van de steeds agressiever wordende Russen.  Daarnaast kijken ze ook nog eens met zeer grote argusogen naar bepaalde landen (Bulgarije en Servie) in hun regio die nogal nauwe banden onderhouden met Moskou.

Ja, we hebben hele grote zakken met muntjes uitgeleend aan de Grieken.  Ook wij hadden in de kleine lettertjes kunnen laten opnemen, dat niet betalen betekend dat bepaalde zee-, of luchthavens voor lange tijd in onze handen vallen.  ;)
De Grieken streven overigens niet op termijn naar een volledige vloot van F-35A LightningII's.  Dat is niet alleen onbetaalbaar, maar zij zijn zich ook bewust dat de zogenaamde 5de generatie (marketing term) jachtvliegtuigen structureel niet aan de kwantiteit van bijvoorbeeld F-16C en Mirage 2000 vloten kunnen voldoen.

Ook de Roemenen willen af van hun soviet tijd toestellen, ze vliegen nu grotendeels met Mig-21's en dan hebben dan recent 9 F-16's gekocht van Portugal om de overstap te maken naar westerse toestellen. Ze hebben hun Mig-29's in de opslag staan sinds 2003, die kan je ook afschrijven als ze niet goed onderhouden zijn. Ik heb begrepen dat ze nu nog 5 F-16's willen overkopen van de Portugezen.

Met de eventuele Griekse aankoop van de F-35 heb ik geen moeite, dat hele verhaal van geleend geld hoeft van mij geen rol te spelen in deze aankoop. Dat we misschien betere afspraken hadden moeten maken ben ik met je eens. Aan de andere kant verdienen wij ook geld aan de Griekse aankoop, via Fokker en in de toekomst via het onderhoud op Woensdrecht.

Alle drie de landen hebben aangegeven dat ze ongeveer 16 toestellen (1 squadron) willen aankopen, geen extreme uitgaven en bij alle orders kunnen we er iets aan verdienen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/04/2019 | 13:58 uur
Washington, Tokyo go deeper on F-3 tech transfer: report

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/washington-tokyo-go-deeper-on-f-3-tech-transfer-r-457606/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 22/04/2019 | 14:02 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 22/04/2019 | 02:16 uur
Het Hrmph-en heeft te maken met het aantal, een heel mooi aantal om te beginnen maar is het genoeg om de Su-22 en Mig-29's te vervangen?
Polen heeft 32 Su-22's + 28 Mig-29's rondvliegen,  dat zijn 60 toestellen vervangen door iets meer dan de helft.

Het aantal Su-22's op de engelse wikipedia staat op 32 stuks, de Poolse versie op 18 stuks. Van de 28 Mig's zijn er ook slechts 16 gemoderniseerd.

Misschien is het een begin met 32 F-35's maar als de poolse aantallen kloppen dan is 34 oude kisten vervangen door 32 moderne kisten geen verkeerd aantal. Het artikel zelf spreekt over een realistisch aantal van 16 F-35's voor de Polen met de wens om dat uit tebreiden naar 32 stuks.

( .....)
Alle drie de landen hebben aangegeven dat ze ongeveer 16 toestellen (1 squadron) willen aankopen, geen extreme uitgaven en bij alle orders kunnen we er iets aan verdienen.
Jaa Parera, zowel bij de steelse (Low Observable) B-2A Spirit als de LO F-22A Raptor zagen we een enorme "Death Spiral".  De kosten lopen gierend uit de hand, vervolgens probeert men deze kosten in de hand te houden door er minder aan te schaffen.  Hierdoor stijgen de constante kosten per geproduceerd wapensysteem weer en zodoende kunnen er nog eens minder gebouwd worden, want weer te duur.
De B-2A ging van 132 naar slechts 21 kisten en de F-22A ging van 1100, 750, 381, 277 naar slechts 187 (8 test kisten niet meegerekend) stuks.

De (semi) LO F-35 LightningII krijgt nu ook al te maken met zo een death spiral.
Voor luchtmachten die opereren met een gemengde, bij voorkeur high / low cost jachtvliegtuig vloot, is dat niet zo een probleem.  Voor luchtmachten met een homogene fighter vloot wel.

Maar dit had men kunnen voorzien.
Kostte het '104' (Starfighter) nog NLG 6 miljoen / EUR 2,7 miljoen per kist.  De F-16A/B deed al NLG 22 miljoen / EUR 10 miljoen op basis van de fly-away / kale kostprijs als de kist uit de fabriek komt rollen.  En de F-16A/B had een systeem-prijs, inclusief gereedschappen, testbanken, simulators, opleidingen etcetera, van NLG 40 miljoen / EUR 18,15 miljoen.  Een onderzoeker in de jaren 80, die onderzoek deed naar de trend van steeds betere gevechtsvliegtuigen, maar tegen een boven-proportionele prijs en dus steeds kleiner wordende luchtmacht vloten.  Berekende dat we  ergens medio 21ste eeuw op een punt zouden komen, waarbij een luchtmacht slechts pecunia had voor 1 jachtvliegtuig.   Dat jachtvliegtuig zou dan ook zo goed zijn, dat bij wijze van spreken deze in zijn eentje de hele Sovjet-Unie aan zou kunnen.

Eind jaren 70 en in het eerste deel van de eighties dachten vele luchtmachten dan ook na, hoe zij een toch voldoende grote toekomstige vloot op de mat zouden kunnen krijgen.
In de VS wees men op de high / low fighter mix van grote, zware, complexe en dure "high" F-111 en in luchtoverwicht bevechten gespecialiseerde F-15A/B Eagle.
Gecombineerd met de "low", kleine, lichte tot middel-zware, goedkope en respectievelijk eenvoudige tot zeer eenvoudige multi-functionele F-16 en gespecialiseerde A-10A ThunderboltII.
De KLu had in het pre-F-16 tijdperk eigenlijk ook een high / low mix jachtvliegtuig vloot.  De '104' was in die tijd voor ons betrekkelijk duur, maar ook zeer capabel.
Ze evalueerden in de jaren 60 ook een jachtbommenwerper en kwamen op de uitstekende zijn tijd ver vooruit zijnde A-7 CorsairII uit.
Maar die bleek te duur te zijn voor de KLu !  Dus kwam er een veel goedkopere oplossing in de vorm van de bijna de helft lichtere NF-5A/B.

De US Air Force voorzag eind jaren 70, begin jaren 80 dat een toekomstige vloot zou moeten bestaan uit een klein aantal "high", zeer dure, maar ook zeer capabele gevechtsvliegtuigen en een grote "low" vloot goedkope, maar ook goed genoeg capabele jachtvliegtuigen.  In het kort: het high / low concept werd dus als het ware wat verder / extremer getrokken.

Vervolgens gaan we in de jaren 90 weer dezelfde fout maken, als bij het idee van de politicus Robert McNamara uit de jaren 60: bouw een "one size fit's all" gevechtsvliegtuig,
zodat je dit type in zo groot mogelijke aantallen kunt bouwen en zodoende de kostprijs per kist acceptabel kunt houden.  De F-111 Aarvark werd geen succes.

De Europeanen deden dit idee nog eens grotendeels dunnetjes over in de jaren 70 met hun Multi Role Combat Aircraft - 75 (MRCA), beter bekend als de Tornado.
Het MRCA was oorspronkelijk ook goedkoop bedoeld, maar de Duitsers telden in de jaren 80 toch 80 miljoen Duitse marken / ca. NLG 90 miljoen neer per Tornado.
Ook het Tornado werd geen eclatant (daverend) succes.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 22/04/2019 | 17:48 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 22/04/2019 | 14:02 uur
De (semi) LO F-35 LightningII

Hoezo "semi"...

Citaat
Maar dit had men kunnen voorzien.
Kostte het '104' (Starfighter) nog NLG 6 miljoen / EUR 2,7 miljoen per kist.  De F-16A/B deed al NLG 22 miljoen / EUR 10 miljoen op basis van de fly-away / kale kostprijs als de kist uit de fabriek komt rollen.  En de F-16A/B had een systeem-prijs, inclusief gereedschappen, testbanken, simulators, opleidingen etcetera, van NLG 40 miljoen / EUR 18,15 miljoen.

Een pond boter was in de jaren '50 ook ruim goedkoper dan in de jaren '70. Ik vind dit soort kostenvergelijkingen totaal niet relevant want niet vergelijkbaar.

Citaat
De KLu had in het pre-F-16 tijdperk eigenlijk ook een high / low mix jachtvliegtuig vloot.  De '104' was in die tijd voor ons betrekkelijk duur, maar ook zeer capabel.
Ze evalueerden in de jaren 60 ook een jachtbommenwerper en kwamen op de uitstekende zijn tijd ver vooruit zijnde A-7 CorsairII uit.
Maar die bleek te duur te zijn voor de KLu !  Dus kwam er een veel goedkopere oplossing in de vorm van de bijna de helft lichtere NF-5A/B.

Ik zou met alle wil van de wereld ook niet kunnen verzinnen waarom de Klu voor de Corsair zou kiezen... Wat hadden wij met een subsonic, carrier based, dedicated CAS kist gemoeten?

Citaat
De Europeanen deden dit idee nog eens grotendeels dunnetjes over in de jaren 70 met hun Multi Role Combat Aircraft - 75 (MRCA), beter bekend als de Tornado.
Het MRCA was oorspronkelijk ook goedkoop bedoeld, maar de Duitsers telden in de jaren 80 toch 80 miljoen Duitse marken / ca. NLG 90 miljoen neer per Tornado.
Ook het Tornado werd geen eclatant (daverend) succes.

De Tornado heeft zijn sporen ruimschoots verdiend en ik durf wel te beweren dat het een enorm capable en vooruitstrevende kist was voor zijn tijd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: MasterChief1971 op 22/04/2019 | 20:26 uur


Ik zou met alle wil van de wereld ook niet kunnen verzinnen waarom de Klu voor de Corsair zou kiezen... Wat hadden wij met een subsonic, carrier based, dedicated CAS kist gemoeten?

Een A7 is geen CAS-kist maar een aanvalsvliegtuig. Eerst alleen voor dag en semi-slecht weer maar met de D en E varianten gewoon allweather met lange benen en sterke schouders. Ofwel kon ver vliegen, veel meenemen en schade incasseren.
Een A7 is geen A10.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/04/2019 | 20:39 uur
Citaat van: MasterChief1971 op 22/04/2019 | 20:26 uur

Ik zou met alle wil van de wereld ook niet kunnen verzinnen waarom de Klu voor de Corsair zou kiezen... Wat hadden wij met een subsonic, carrier based, dedicated CAS kist gemoeten?

Een A7 is geen CAS-kist maar een aanvalsvliegtuig. Eerst alleen voor dag en semi-slecht weer maar met de D en E varianten gewoon allweather met lange benen en sterke schouders. Ofwel kon ver vliegen, veel meenemen en schade incasseren.

Alles was beter dan de voorganger F-84F Thunderstreak. De A-7 deed CAS, interdictie, SEAD, enz. De versies vanaf -D werden door sommige vliegers ook wel de Super Corsair II genoemd. Blijkbaar was het verschil met de -A en -B (-C is eigenlijk een -E met de TF30 i.p.v. TF41) zo groot.

Citaat van: MasterChief1971 op 22/04/2019 | 20:26 uur
Een A7 is geen A10.

In de A-7D vs. A-10A fly-off midden jaren 70 stond de A-7D z'n mannetje, ondanks dat de A-10A moest winnen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/04/2019 | 15:57 uur
J-11D and J-20 programmes vying for supremacy, Chinese sources indicate

https://www.janes.com/article/88078/j-11d-and-j-20-programmes-vying-for-supremacy-chinese-sources-indicate
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/04/2019 | 15:58 uur
Lockheed Martin Inaugurates New F-16 Production Facility

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2019-04-25/lockheed-martin-inaugurates-new-f-16-production-facility
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 25/04/2019 | 17:10 uur
Ik had wel verwacht dat de productie van F-16's zou stoppen, maar ze openen zelfs een nieuwe fabriek.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/04/2019 | 10:56 uur
F-35 Aircraft Sustainment: DOD Needs to Address Substantial Supply Chain Challenges

https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-19-321

Rapport:

https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/698693.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/04/2019 | 13:20 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 26/04/2019 | 12:20 uur
Niet helemaal. Toch is het een feit dat veel militair materieel bovenmatige inflatie vertoont.
Aantallen materieel dat in de jaren '50 werd gehaald was in de jaren '70 niet meer te doen, en wat ze toen deden kunnen we nu niet meer.

Evengoed, het is altijd duur geweest, en zal altijd duur blijven.

Dat komt omdat dit geen markt is met levelled playing field...en dus geen equilibrium kent zoals commerciele markten. Oftewel, er is geen stabiele waarde tussen V&A.

Dit komt omdat er sprake is van staatssteun, gefincancieerde bedrijven, subsidies, lobbies, volledig commerciele bedrijven, overheid, oligopolies, monopolies en beperkte voorraden en materialen met nog beperktere kennis toegang. Dit in een speeldveld met allianties, contracten en politiek.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 29/04/2019 | 02:31 uur
Vietnam Ignored Su-35 to Go Straight to Su-57?

Vietnam Air Force is a priority investment force that goes straight to modernity with Navy and Communication.

With the policy of bringing the Vietnam Air Force straight to the modern, the military has been prioritized to invest in purchasing three regiments of Su-30MK2 multi-purpose to replace the outdated MiG-21.

However, in our combat duty, there are still quite a lot of Su-22 attacks, the life of these aircraft is also quite high and the inferior features of modern fighters are pretty much, so it is very soon needed to replaced.

The generation 4.5 fighter candidates may be ordered by Vietnam to extend the strategy of modernizing the air force, according to foreign media, including Western light fighter types. such as JAS 39 Gripen or F-16 Fighting Falcon, but the brightest is the Su-30SME and especially the Su-35S.

Even so, the statement took place a while ago, when Russia did not show any signs that it would soon export overseas Su-57 5th fighter, causing the Su-30SM and Su-35S to return into the most viable option.

But recently when Russian President Vladimir Putin officially approved the proposal to build a commercial version of the stealth 5-Su-57 fighter with the Su-57E designation, everything became very different.

Although the Su-57E fighter is not yet complete, but it is placed next to the Su-35S, it still proved to be completely superior. In the opinion of many military experts, while there is no standard engine of the 5th generation, the Su-57 still deserves to be classified as 4.75 life fighter, which is higher than the Su-35S of category 4 5.

Back in the case of Vietnam, when it was determined to invest in the air to advance straight to modernity, the fact that we went straight to Su-57E and ignored the transition step of Su-35S was a perfectly balanced plan. prompt to deploy.

If ordering Su-35S, in the short term Vietnam will still have to import additional Su-57E, while choosing to buy Su-57E at this time, we will omit the transfer phase continue on.

The Su-57E purchase at the present time, Vietnam also received Russian support in technical testing work and will likely be accompanied by Izdeliye 30 engine upgrade package when this product is complete for them. We get a complete 5th generation fighter.

In the end, the cost of the Su-57E and Su-35S fighter jets was remarkably not differentiated, which could also be considered another important reason for Vietnam's decision.

[Source: defense-studies.blogspot.com ]
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/05/2019 | 10:33 uur
Polish defense minister: F-35 acquisition 'not far away'

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/04/30/polish-defense-minister-f-35-acquisition-not-far-away/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/05/2019 | 10:41 uur
F-35As deployed from Hill conduct first combat strike

https://www.388fw.acc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1830607/f-35as-deployed-from-hill-conduct-first-combat-strike/

Bijbehorend artikel van 15 april 2019.

U.S. Air Force's F-35A Lightning II arrives for first Middle East deployment

https://www.afcent.af.mil/News/Article/1813833/us-air-forces-f-35a-lightning-ii-arrives-for-first-middle-east-deployment/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/05/2019 | 20:00 uur
Sweden weighs extending Gripen C/D operations by a decade

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/sweden-weighs-extending-gripen-cd-operations-by-a-d-457836/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 01/05/2019 | 20:28 uur
ANALYSIS: Super Hornets find place in stealth fighter generation

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-super-hornets-find-place-in-stealth-fighte-457459/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/05/2019 | 20:38 uur
ANALYSIS: US Navy's stealth fighters find new and evolving roles

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-us-navys-stealth-fighters-find-new-and-ev-457460/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/05/2019 | 08:24 uur
Ook een must have voor de KLu  8)

Lockheed Develops Rack to Make F-35A/C a Six-Shooter

https://seapowermagazine.org/lockheed-develops-rack-to-make-f-35a-c-a-six-shooter/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/05/2019 | 09:42 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/05/2019 | 08:24 uur
Ook een must have voor de KLu  8)

Het is ook de bedoeling om dit tijdens de Block 4 upgrade beschikbaar krijgen  ;)

Veranderingen bij Block 4:

http://airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2019/March%202019/Keeping-the-F-35-Ahead-of-the-Bad-Guys.aspx

http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=30185&mode=view
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/05/2019 | 13:41 uur
Moscow's Perspectives on the Evolution of US Stealth Technology

https://wavellroom.com/2019/05/02/moscows-perspectives-on-the-evolution-of-us-stealth-technology/?fbclid=IwAR07h_QSo9BAD924EZ32GNozstnJgpqSMp6n6IminD1UOzOsreqb2xHGhYM
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/05/2019 | 10:40 uur
DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE (voortgang F-35)

PRESENTATION TO THE HOUSE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE TACTICAL AIR AND LAND FORCES SUBCOMMITTEE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

SUBJECT: Department of the Air Force Acquisition and Modernization Programs in the Fiscal Year 2020 National Defense Authorization President's Budget Request

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/AS/AS25/20190502/109348/HHRG-116-AS25-Wstate-WinterM-20190502.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/05/2019 | 20:11 uur
Pentagon Finishes F-35, A-10 Comparison Testing

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/May%202019/Pentagon-Finishes-F-35-A-10-Comparison-Testing.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/05/2019 | 15:42 uur
Chinese J-20 aircraft now capable of aerial refuelling

http://airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-defense-security-news/2019-news-aerospace-industry-air-force/may/4998-chinese-j-20-aircraft-now-capable-of-aerial-refuelling.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/05/2019 | 09:50 uur
2019 USAF F-35A Demo (Capt. Andrew "Dojo" Olson)

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/05/2019 | 08:41 uur
What's killing the US Navy's air wing?

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/navy-league/2019/05/06/whats-killing-the-us-navys-air-wing/#.XM_W4teBAao.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/05/2019 | 08:34 uur
Future US Navy fighter will not be joint effort with USAF

After developing the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lighting II together, the US Navy (USN) and the US Air Force (USAF) are parting ways.

The USN's next-generation fighter won't be jointly developed with the USAF. That's because the USN does not plan to use its Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) aircraft on penetration missions in highly-contested air space as the USAF aims to do with its next-generation fighter, says Angie Knappenberger, USN deputy director of air warfare, at the Navy League Sea-Air-Space conference in National Harbor, Maryland.

"A penetrating fighter, the Navy doesn't have to do that. So some of that inherent design of the aircraft it does drive costs and if you don't need that for our mission area then you don't necessarily want to pay for it," she says, noting the shape of a highly stealthy penetrating fighter, presumably without a vertical stabliser, would be more expensive to develop. Instead, the USN would conduct penetrating airstrikes against an advanced adversary with long-range standoff missiles or the mission would be deferred to the USAF, says Knappenberger.

That's not to say that the two services' next-generation fighters won't share systems, such as electronic warfare, radar, networking and weapons systems.

"Where we really get some dividends is all of the complimentary systems that we are going to have," says Knappenberger, adding that borrowed weapons could be especially beneficial. "Anytime we partner with the Air Force and get a bigger stick that's a big thing."

The USN's NGAD is also likely to share systems with the F-35B and F-35C, says Knappenberger.

"It will have to be a complimentary system to the F-35," says Knappenberger. "It'll have to be a complimentary system to some of the weapons that we currently have."

Yet, the USN isn't quite ready to call its NGAD a sixth-generation fighter.

"Sixth generation isn't really something that we are using. Our [analysis of alternatives (AoA)] has really gone after capabilities and how those capabilities contribute," says Knappenberger, explaining that the AoA report was just finished. "We expect the results of the AoA later this year."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/future-us-navy-fighter-will-not-be-joint-effort-with-457968/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 07/05/2019 | 14:11 uur
Via @garrettreim

CitaatLockheed Martin's unclassified representation of a maritime air-breathing hypersonic weapon launched from the US Navy's F-35C. #SAS2019

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D55AwV7XoAAuzeG.jpg)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/05/2019 | 15:45 uur
Ottawa's planned fighter competition incompatible with F-35 obligations: U.S.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/05/06/ottawas-planned-fighter-competition-incompatible-with-f-35-obligations-u-s/

Zie ook onderstaand bestand.

http://macdonaldlaurier.ca/files/pdf/20190502_MLI_COMMENTARY_Shimooka_FWeb.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/05/2019 | 09:46 uur
The E/A-18G Growler electronic attack plane is about to get even more lethal

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/navy-league/2019/05/07/the-ea-18g-growler-electronic-attack-plane-is-about-to-get-even-more-lethal/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/05/2019 | 19:46 uur
Price Drop: Lockheed Pitches $80M F-35A to Pentagon 

(wisselkoers 8 mei 2019, afgerond naar boven €71,5 miljoen)

https://www.defenseone.com/business/2019/05/price-drop-lockheed-pitches-80m-f-35a-pentagon/156825/ via @defenseone
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/05/2019 | 09:46 uur
Lockheed Opens Negotiations on F-35 Lots 12-14, Aiming Below $80 Million Each

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/May%202019/Lockheed-Opens-Negotiations-on-F-35-Lots-12-14-Aiming-Below-80-Million-Each.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/05/2019 | 08:28 uur
Boeing kicks off design work for EA-18G upgrade

Boeing has started design work to upgrade the US Navy's (USN) fleet of EA-18G Growler electronic warfare aircraft.

The upgraded aircraft will be designated Growler Block II and include features already on the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, such as the advanced cockpit system and conformal fuel tanks. It will include improved sensors and an upgraded electronic attack package.

Earlier this year Boeing was working with the US Navy on initial architecture studies when when it received funding for the work. This helped it solidify requirements and move the Growler Block II design toward a system functional requirements review later in 2019.

"It's about enhanced sensitivity through sensor modernization," said Jennifer Tebo, Boeing's director of development for the Super Hornet and Growler at the Navy League Sea-Air-Space conference in National Harbor, Maryland. "A lot of these sensors were developed in the '90s, frankly. We've done some upgrades along the way, but it is time to do a step function enhancement on the Growler."

She declines to say exactly what sensors would be added, citing military classification.

The Growler Block II will have an open systems architecture allowing faster software and hardware upgrades. That's especially important to counter the USA's adversaries, says Tebo.

"It sets the Growler up for continued and rapid evolution over time," she says. "The threats are evolving quickly, rapidly, and we've got to keep pace."

In particular, the Growler Block II would have the computer power necessary to manage Loyal Wingman unmanned air vehicles (UAVs) that are being considered by the US Department of Defense as a means to cheaply expand US military's fleet of combat aircraft.

The USN hasn't decided on the number of Growlers it wants to upgrade, though it could potentially be the entire 160 aircraft fleet, says Boeing. Australia's Growler fleet could be eligible for upgrades too. Should the service go forward with the retrofits it would field the first examples of the enhanced electronic warfare aircraft in 2025.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/boeing-kicks-off-design-work-for-ea-18g-upgrade-458041/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/05/2019 | 10:05 uur
Japan, US deepen fighter technology talks

https://www.janes.com/article/88387/japan-us-deepen-fighter-technology-talks
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/05/2019 | 10:11 uur
Canada changes fighter jet rules to allow F-35 bid (hoe ver wil Canada nog gaan met het zichzelf moeilijk maken :()

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/canada-changes-fighter-jet-rules-to-allow-f-35-bid
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/05/2019 | 10:40 uur
Air Force to reactivate aggressor squadron for F-35 training (65th Aggressor Squadron met F-35A)

https://www.nellis.af.mil/News/Article/1843738/air-force-to-reactivate-aggressor-squadron-for-f-35-training/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/05/2019 | 10:04 uur
US, Poland to Discuss Potential F-35 Sale, Air Force Secretary Says

https://www.defenseone.com/business/2019/05/mw-poland-f-35/156971/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/05/2019 | 10:04 uur
F-15EX could be delivered as early as 2020: Boeing

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-15ex-could-be-delivered-as-early-as-2020-boeing-458168/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/05/2019 | 10:06 uur
Artikel van The Heritage Foundation over de F-35A.

https://www.heritage.org/sites/default/files/2019-05/BG3406.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/05/2019 | 08:52 uur
Boeing Sees Market for 2,600 T-X, Derivative Aircraft

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/May%202019/Boeing-Sees-Market-for-2600-T-X-Derivative-Aircraft.aspx via @AirForceMag
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/05/2019 | 10:01 uur
Voor de geïnteresseerden.

The F-15 Eagle: Origins and Development 1964-1972

https://media.defense.gov/2012/May/16/2001330012/-1/-1/0/AFD-120516-036.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/05/2019 | 09:57 uur
Putin promises to grow Sukhoi Su-57 fleet

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/putin-promises-to-grow-sukhoi-su-57-fleet-458239/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/05/2019 | 09:58 uur
Switzerland earmarks Swfr6 billion for fighter replacement

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/switzerland-earmarks-swfr6-billion-for-fighter-repla-458236/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/05/2019 | 09:51 uur
Navy Awards Funding To Help Speed Up Growler Low-Band Jammer Development

https://news.usni.org/2019/05/22/navy-awards-funding-to-help-speed-up-growler-low-band-jammer-development

Report to Congress on U.S. Airborne Electronic Attack Programs (o.a. EA-18G en F-35)

https://news.usni.org/2019/05/16/report-to-congress-on-u-s-airborne-electronic-attack-programs

Rapport:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6006322/U-S-Airborne-Electronic-Attack-Programs.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/05/2019 | 11:22 uur
Sweden confirms UK Tempest talks, ambivalent on Franco-German FCAS | Jane's 360

https://www.janes.com/article/88685/sweden-confirms-uk-tempest-talks-ambivalent-on-franco-german-fcas#.XOZl0KN-p1d.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/05/2019 | 11:27 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/05/2019 | 11:22 uur
Sweden confirms UK Tempest talks, ambivalent on Franco-German FCAS | Jane's 360


Waarmee langzaam maar zeker duidelijk wordt dat de Gripen E/F, zeer vermoedelijk, het laatste autonome Zweedse gevechtsvliegtuig zal zijn.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/05/2019 | 10:08 uur
Navy Deactivates VFA-101 Grim Reapers, Consolidates F-35Cs at NAS Lemoore (de US Navy twijfelt niet aan het gebruik van de F-35C)

https://news.usni.org/2019/05/23/navy-deactivates-vfa-101-grim-reapers-consolidates-f-35cs-at-nas-lemoore
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/05/2019 | 10:26 uur
Indian Air Force test fires BrahMos-A from Su-30MKI

https://www.janes.com/article/88736/indian-air-force-test-fires-brahmos-a-from-su-30mki
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/05/2019 | 11:00 uur
Interesting New Video Shows U.S. Air Force F-35A Jets Deployed To UAE Taking Off In "Beast Mode"

https://theaviationist.com/2019/05/23/interesting-new-video-shows-u-s-air-force-f-35a-jets-deployed-to-uae-taking-off-in-beast-mode/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/05/2019 | 19:24 uur
Number of F-35s Built for USAF Eclipses Number of F-22s

http://airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/May%202019/Number-of-F-35s-Built-for-USAF-Eclipses-Number-of-F-22s.aspx

Foto via Scramble forum.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7Rv6mOWsAEW-bs.jpg
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 26/05/2019 | 11:34 uur
Argentinië heeft 5 Super Étendard SEM gekocht van Frankrijk.

https://www.infodefensa.com/latam/2019/05/13/noticia-argentina-tiene-cinco-super-etendard-compro-francia.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/05/2019 | 10:15 uur
Gripen E testing ahead of schedule, vendor claims

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/05/24/gripen-e-testing-ahead-of-schedule-vendor-claims/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 27/05/2019 | 19:31 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 26/05/2019 | 11:34 uur
Argentinië heeft 5 Super Étendard SEM gekocht van Frankrijk.

https://www.infodefensa.com/latam/2019/05/13/noticia-argentina-tiene-cinco-super-etendard-compro-francia.html

Als je tussen de regels door leest, kom je achter de verschrikkelijke staat van de Argentijnse strijdkrachten.
Net zoals die in de gehele wereld belabberd is. Bijna geen enkele krijgsmacht kan haar huidige ambitie niveau invullen heb ik het idee, op die van China en wat andere Aziatische landen na.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/05/2019 | 19:41 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 27/05/2019 | 19:31 uur
Als je tussen de regels door leest, kom je achter de verschrikkelijke staat van de Argentijnse strijdkrachten.
Net zoals die in de gehele wereld belabberd is. Bijna geen enkele krijgsmacht kan haar huidige ambitie niveau invullen heb ik het idee, op die van China en wat andere Aziatische landen na.

De Argentijnse marine krijgt met dit Super Etentard infuus hun jets weer operationeel. De Argentijnse luchtmacht heeft op fast jet gebied alleen nog wat A-4AR Skyhawks over.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 27/05/2019 | 19:46 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/05/2019 | 19:41 uur
De Argentijnse marine krijgt met dit Super Etentard infuus hun jets weer operationeel. De Argentijnse luchtmacht heeft op fast jet gebied alleen nog wat A-4AR Skyhawks over.

Je haalt hier operationeel en enigzins in staat tot 'iets'  door elkaar ; ).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/05/2019 | 19:50 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 27/05/2019 | 19:46 uur
Je haalt hier operationeel en enigzins in staat tot 'iets'  door elkaar ; ).

Het gebeurt ook niet vandaag of morgen en het gaat in een Argentijns tempo  ;)  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/05/2019 | 11:16 uur
Russia Mulls a Larger MiG-35 Contract

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2019-05-27/russia-mulls-larger-mig-35-contract
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/05/2019 | 14:03 uur
Poland formally requests F-35A combat aircraft

https://www.janes.com/article/88789/poland-formally-requests-f-35a-combat-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/05/2019 | 20:06 uur
Gevechtsvliegers maakten melding van supersnelle toestellen: test Amerika geheim wapen?

https://www.volkskrant.nl/ts-bfbac15d via @volkskrant
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/05/2019 | 11:23 uur
Ten behoeve van het Zwitserse vervangingsproject. De F-35A en de JAS 39E Gripen volgen later.





Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/05/2019 | 11:39 uur
Denmark, Greenland and the F-35 - Second Line of Defense

https://sldinfo.com/2019/05/denmark-greenland-and-the-f-35/#.XO-koweuEDk.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/05/2019 | 11:50 uur
Dacht dat het pas volgend jaar gebeurde, maar de Air National Guard krijgt dit najaar hun eerste F-35A's.

Viper Out: Vermont Ends 33 Years of F-16 Operations

https://www.158fw.ang.af.mil/NEWS/Article-Display/Article/1809337/viper-out-vermont-ends-33-years-of-f-16-operations/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/05/2019 | 12:49 uur
F-15EX and F-35A: The Future of American Air Superiority

https://warontherocks.com/2019/05/f-15ex-and-f-35a-the-future-of-american-air-superiority/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/05/2019 | 12:58 uur
Middle East demand could boost F-35 sales to 4,600 units: Lockheed

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/middle-east-demand-could-boost-f-35-sales-to-4600-u-458548/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/05/2019 | 13:05 uur
Germany to take up European next-gen fighter funding next week

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/05/29/germany-to-take-up-european-next-gen-fighter-funding-next-week/#.XO-4uYlf8y0.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/05/2019 | 09:57 uur
Saab ready to offer Canadian-built Gripen fighters to Ottawa

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/saab-ready-to-offer-canadian-built-gripen-fighters-t-458574/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/06/2019 | 09:57 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/06/2019 | 15:56 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/06/2019 | 21:23 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/06/2019 | 11:16 uur
F-35 Enterprise Delivers 400th F-35 and Fleet Surpasses 200,000 Flight Hours

https://www.f35.com/news/detail/f-35-enterprise-delivers-400th-f-35-and-fleet-surpasses-200000-flight-hours
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/06/2019 | 11:49 uur
HASC Grants Lukewarm Approval for F-15EX (echter zit er wel een maar aan verbonden)

http://airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/June%202019/HASC-Grants-Lukewarm-Approval-for-F-15EX-.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/06/2019 | 11:21 uur
F-15EX: The Strategic Blind Spot in the Air Force's Fighter Debate (Opinie artikel. Zie ook de Advanced Missile and Bomb Ejection Rack (AMBER))

https://warontherocks.com/2019/06/f-15ex-the-strategic-blind-spot-in-the-air-forces-fighter-debate/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/06/2019 | 11:33 uur
De Advanced Missile and Bomb Ejector Rack (AMBER) is van Boeing.

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/b1/2d/11/02c66154a2edc3/US20170259919A1.pdf

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20170259919A1/en

Is niet alleen interessant voor de F-15, maar ook de F-16 en F-35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/06/2019 | 13:58 uur
Vervolg op filmpje in reactie #3525.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/06/2019 | 20:59 uur
Saab to test electronic attack jammer pod on Gripen

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/saab-to-test-electronic-attack-jammer-pod-on-gripen-458693/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/06/2019 | 11:27 uur
This Is The First F-35C Carrier Variant Joint Strike Fighter For The U.S. Marine Corps

https://theaviationist.com/2019/06/05/this-is-the-first-f-35c-carrier-variant-joint-strike-fighter-for-the-u-s-marine-corps/

Net als nu met de F-35C was VMFA-314 Black Knights in 1982 ook het eerste USMC squadron met de F/A-18A Hornet.

https://www.3rdmaw.marines.mil/Units/MAG-11/VMFA-314/History/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/06/2019 | 10:21 uur
Lockheed Martin eyes 500 F-35 fighters in Europe

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-martin-eyes-500-f-35-fighters-in-europe-458485/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/06/2019 | 20:24 uur
Lockheed, Pentagon reach handshake agreement on first F-35 multiyear buy

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/06/10/lockheed-pentagon-reach-handshake-agreement-on-first-f-35-multiyear-buy/#.XP6gK4lUPaI.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/06/2019 | 20:35 uur
PICTURE: Saab flies third Gripen E test aircraft

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/picture-saab-flies-third-gripen-e-test-aircraft-458808/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/06/2019 | 20:39 uur
DoD awards USD1.8 bn for further F-35 upgrades (Block 4)

https://www.janes.com/article/89151/dod-awards-usd1-8-bn-for-further-f-35-upgrades
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/06/2019 | 14:53 uur
@theF35

CitaatSpotter Day at Payerne Air Base! We recently gave hundreds of Swiss tail spotters at the @vbs_ddps flight evals a chance to capture the Lightning II. Story below. #Air2030 #F35Air2030 #SchweizerArmee
(korte film op Twitter)

https://twitter.com/thef35/status/1138400177046401034

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/06/2019 | 12:05 uur
The Pentagon is battling the clock to fix serious, unreported F-35 problems

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/06/12/the-pentagon-is-battling-the-clock-to-fix-serious-unreported-f-35-problems/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/06/2019 | 13:20 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 12/06/2019 | 12:53 uur
Boeing noemde de X-32 een 4.75 generatie en geen 5de generatie toestel. Maar hou er rekening mee dat de Su-57 voor 70% uit compositie materiaal bestaat waardoor het wel een stealth toestel is.

De X-35 was zeer waarschijnlijk op dat moment net als de X-32 ook generatie 4.75. Misschien had Boeing het bij de keuze voor de F-32 het ineens ook generatie 5 genoemd.

Voor het ene type is het makkelijker aan te geven tot welke generatie het behoort dan voor de ander. Soms is er sprake van overlapping.

De Su-35 wil ik net als de F/A-18E/F Super Hornet wel rekenen tot de generatie 4.5/4+/4++ of hoe ze het ook willen noemen. Technologisch zijn zij verder dan hun respectievelijke generatie 4 voorgangers Su-27 en F/A-18A-D Hornet. De Su-57 gaat nog verder dan de Su-35. Hetzelfde als met het verschil tussen MiG-23 (generatie 3) en MiG-29 (generatie 4).



Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/06/2019 | 18:41 uur
Citaat van: DefenseNews op 12/06/2019 | 12:05 uur
The Pentagon is battling the clock to fix serious, unreported F-35 problems

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/06/12/the-pentagon-is-battling-the-clock-to-fix-serious-unreported-f-35-problems/

Lockheed Martin Comments on Defense News Reporting

https://www.f35.com/news/detail/lockheed-martin-comments-on-defense-news-reporting
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 12/06/2019 | 21:01 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/06/2019 | 13:20 uur
De X-35 was zeer waarschijnlijk op dat moment net als de X-32 ook generatie 4.75. Misschien had Boeing het bij de keuze voor de F-32 het ineens ook generatie 5 genoemd.

Voor het ene type is het makkelijker aan te geven tot welke generatie het behoort dan voor de ander. Soms is er sprake van overlapping.

De Su-35 wil ik net als de F/A-18E/F Super Hornet wel rekenen tot de generatie 4.5/4+/4++ of hoe ze het ook willen noemen. Technologisch zijn zij verder dan hun respectievelijke generatie 4 voorgangers Su-27 en F/A-18A-D Hornet. De Su-57 gaat nog verder dan de Su-35. Hetzelfde als met het verschil tussen MiG-23 (generatie 3) en MiG-29 (generatie 4).
Toen het 104 (Starfighter) en NF-5A/B eind jaren 70, begin jaren 80 vervangen moesten worden door eventueel Mirage F1E, Saab Viggen of F-16A/B had niemand, maar dan ook niemand het over generatie 3,75, 4,0 etcetera.
Is ook onzinnig, want 4de en 5de generatie jachtvliegtuig is een marketing term !   ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 13/06/2019 | 03:18 uur
Brazilie heeft een lucht-grond variant vertoont van de AV-TM 300 kruisraket, origineel ontwikkeld voor het eigen MLRS systeem maar nu dus voor onder fighter jets.
Het plan was om een goedkoper alternatief te ontwikkelen voor de Amerikaanse Tomahawk kruisraket maar het bereik ligt een stuk lager op slechts 300 km.

https://www.infodefensa.com/latam/2019/06/10/noticia-revelada-version-airesuelo-avmtc-avibras.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/06/2019 | 11:02 uur
Saab not attending Swiss flight tests

https://www.blogbeforeflight.net/2019/06/saab-not-attending-swiss-flight-tests.html

Edit. Het oorspronkelijke bericht van Saab.

https://saabgroup.com/media/news-press/news/2019-06/saab-not-attending-swiss-flight-tests/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/06/2019 | 11:09 uur
UK to pursue new partnership model for Tempest collaboration

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/uk-to-pursue-new-partnership-model-for-tempest-colla-458870/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/06/2019 | 11:16 uur
Spain's military still has eyes for the F-35 despite European fighter push

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/06/12/spains-military-still-has-eyes-for-the-f-35-despite-european-fighter-push/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 13/06/2019 | 11:39 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/06/2019 | 11:02 uur
Saab not attending Swiss flight tests

https://www.blogbeforeflight.net/2019/06/saab-not-attending-swiss-flight-tests.html

Edit. Het oorspronkelijke bericht van Saab.

https://saabgroup.com/media/news-press/news/2019-06/saab-not-attending-swiss-flight-tests/

Hier begrijp ik niets van want Saab had een contract om de F5 te vervangen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/06/2019 | 11:48 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 13/06/2019 | 11:39 uur
Hier begrijp ik niets van want Saab had een contract om de F5 te vervangen.

De meerderheid stemden tegen vervanging van de F-5E/F Tiger II in 2014. Vanwege deze referendumuitslag was er ook geen contract.

Het Zwitserse vervangingsprogramma Air2030 staat voor vervanging van zowel de F-5E/F als de F/A-18C/D. hopelijk is het komende referendum wel gunstig.   
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 13/06/2019 | 12:01 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/06/2019 | 11:48 uur
De meerderheid stemden tegen vervanging van de F-5E/F Tiger II in 2014. Vanwege deze referendumuitslag was er ook geen contract.

Het Zwitserse vervangingsprogramma Air2030 staat voor vervanging van zowel de F-5E/F als de F/A-18C/D. hopelijk is het komende referendum wel gunstig.   

Dat weet ik maar ik ging ervan uit dat de Gripen E  favoriet  was bij de Zwitsers.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/06/2019 | 12:10 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 13/06/2019 | 12:01 uur
Dat weet ik maar ik ging ervan uit dat de Gripen E  favoriet  was bij de Zwitsers.

De Zwitserse krijgsmacht wilde liever de Rafale, maar de Gripen E werd toch als favoriet naar voren geschoven.

Nu is de situatie anders en zal de test het zonder de Gripen E moeten doen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 13/06/2019 | 12:16 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/06/2019 | 12:10 uur
De Zwitserse krijgsmacht wilde liever de Rafale, maar de Gripen E werd toch als favoriet naar voren geschoven.

Nu is de situatie anders en zal de test het zonder de Gripen E moeten doen.

Ik dacht dat vanwege budgettaire reden de voorkeur van de Zwiters uitging naar een eenmotorig toestel?

https://www.janes.com/article/84023/update-switzerland-s-air-2030-plan-narrows-down-options

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/06/2019 | 12:37 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 13/06/2019 | 12:16 uur
Ik dacht dat vanwege budgettaire reden de voorkeur van de Zwiters uitging naar een eenmotorig toestel?

https://www.janes.com/article/84023/update-switzerland-s-air-2030-plan-narrows-down-options

Eenmotorig kan nog steeds, maar ze laten wel drie tweemotorige types in de test meedoen. Het zal afhangen van de testuitslagen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 13/06/2019 | 12:38 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/06/2019 | 12:37 uur
Eenmotorig kan nog steeds, maar ze laten wel drie tweemotorige types in de test meedoen. Het zal afhangen van de testuitslagen.

Of kopen ze de Gripen alsnog  zonder testen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/06/2019 | 12:42 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 13/06/2019 | 12:38 uur
Of kopen ze de Gripen alsnog  zonder testen?

Ergens denk ik dat de Gripen E zich zelf nu gediskwalificeerd heeft, maar zeker weten doe ik het ook niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/06/2019 | 12:45 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 13/06/2019 | 12:38 uur
Of kopen ze de Gripen alsnog  zonder testen?

Het kan zijn dat zij wachten op het moment dat de Gripen E operationeel is en het dan met de al bekende testuitslagen gaan vergelijken.

Zie onderstaande link voor het schema (Duits):

https://www.vbs.admin.ch/de/verteidigung/schutz-des-luftraumes.html#meilensteine-und-agenda
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 14/06/2019 | 10:53 uur
Via @TheDEWLine

Citaat
Lockheed has confirmed studies to add 600-gal external fuel tanks on the F-35, potentially increasing fuel capacity by 40% to significantly boost range. Magazine subscribers can read about it next week or log-in here: https://awin.aviationweek.com/AWINLogin/tabid/1083/Default.aspx?returnurl=%2fArticlesStory.aspx%3fid%3d33759ad8-7ab8-49bf-9a63-89ee28d8b9af

Interessant!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/06/2019 | 10:53 uur
PICTURES: Rafale M in marathon carrier deployment

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-rafale-m-in-marathon-carrier-deployment-458532/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/06/2019 | 10:34 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/06/2019 | 14:49 uur
U.S. and Italian F-35As Integrated Operationally For The First Time Using MADL during Astral Knight 2019 Exercise

https://theaviationist.com/2019/06/14/u-s-and-italian-f-35as-integrated-operationally-for-the-first-time-using-madl-during-astral-knight-2019-exercise/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/06/2019 | 09:55 uur
PARIS: MBDA unveils weapon concepts for European FCAS

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-mbda-unveils-weapon-concepts-for-european-fca-458962/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 17/06/2019 | 13:15 uur
Via @TheDEWLine

Citaat
Greg Ulmer, Lockheed Martin F-35 VP, says Lot 14 F-35A will be 15% less than Lot 11. They didn't announce the Lot 14 number in the announcement last week. If that holds, that makes Lot 14 price tag $75.9 million for F-35A. #PAS19

Citaat
Lockheed Martin F-35 VP Greg Ulmer shows some details on Block 4 roadmap at #PAS19. Includes unmanned teaming and missile defense capability. We reported addition of 600-gal. external fuel tanks last week.

Citaat
Lockheed Martin VP for F-35 Greg Ulmer says they are considering external fuel tanks and conformal fuel tanks. #PAS19

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9PuNgfW4AACWJF.jpg)

Met de 600 gallon (2271 liter) droptanks die eerder al aangekonigd waren zou de F-35's brandstof voorraad uitgebreid worden met 40%. De originele plannen voor droptanks van de F-35 bestonden uit 2 480 en later 460 gallon tanks.

Opvallend is dat Israel al een tijd werkt aan conformal tanks & 600 gallon droptanks voor de F-35A's, misschien sluit lockheed hier nu bij aan?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 17/06/2019 | 15:03 uur
Nog eentje via @BreakingDefense

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9PtyjWXoAEYH3M.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9PtylbXkAAhEUn.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9Pwk7SXUAAmbPo.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9PybxvXsAELR80.jpg)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 17/06/2019 | 15:08 uur
Ook de Turken zijn aanwezig in Parijs

Via @SavunmaSanayiST

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9Q9i0SX4AEqEo9.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9Q9i0VXoAAmeOI.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9Q9i0UXkAAXGGz.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9Q9i0VXkAEJjCN.jpg)

Op twitter zag ik reacties op deze mock-up van de TF-X, daarbij werd gereageerd op het model en gezegd dat er redelijk wat Russische invloeden op zouden zitten qua uiterlijk. Aan de andere kant werd het vergeleken met de F-22 en/of F-35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 17/06/2019 | 15:23 uur
Uiteraard is ook Airbus van de partij met een mock-up van het FCAS toestel zoals het nu op papier er uit ziet.

Ook is Spanje officieel toegetreden als partner in het project.

Citaat
At #ParisAirShow, the Governments of 🇫🇷 & 🇩🇪 officially welcomed Spain 🇪🇸 as a partner nation in the #FCAS programme.
Three Airbus home nations now form the core part of Europe's most decisive military aviation programme for the next decades.

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2019/06/industrial-agreement-offers-delivered-to-france-and-germany-dassault-aviation-and-airbus-achieve-next-decisive-milestone-for-future-combat-air-system-programme.html

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9QQ_tWWwAEWtiO.jpg)

Het is een mock-up maar veel info geeft het niet, waarschijnlijk is het een zeer ruwe versie van wat ze willen.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9QNyhjXoAAkVsl.jpg)

Ook onthulde Airbus / Dassault een concept voor een ''onbemande wingmen'' voor de FCAS, een wapendrager die naast de FCAS moet gaan vliegen.

Deze via ANP:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9QuRKDXsAIu4OG.jpg)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 17/06/2019 | 15:25 uur
Die Turkse TF-X ziet er niet uit... net of het toestel eerst niet lang genoeg was en dat ze het in het midden ff ge-"stretcht" hebben ...  :P
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/06/2019 | 15:48 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 17/06/2019 | 15:25 uur
Die Turkse TF-X ziet er niet uit... net of het toestel eerst niet lang genoeg was en dat ze het in het midden ff ge-"stretcht" hebben ...  :P

Alsof ze met de deegroller er overheen zijn gegaan. Op een of andere manier vind ik de Zuid-Koreaanse KF-X er praktischer uitzien dan TF-X. Zegt natuurlijk niets over het uiteindelijke product.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/06/2019 | 16:31 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 17/06/2019 | 15:23 uur
Uiteraard is ook Airbus van de partij met een mock-up van het FCAS toestel zoals het nu op papier er uit ziet.


Een pers-modelletje, wellicht zwaar afwijkend van het uiteindelijke resultaat. Zo niet... Ik ben meer onder de indruk van de Amerikaanse YF-23 die inmiddels al weer 29 jaar (!) geleden haar eerste testvlucht maakte.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/06/2019 | 16:35 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/06/2019 | 16:31 uur
Een pers-modelletje, wellicht zwaar afwijkend van het uiteindelijke resultaat. Zo niet... Ik ben meer onder de indruk van de Amerikaanse YF-23 die inmiddels al weer 19 jaar (!) jaar geleden haar eerste testvlucht maakte.

Tel daar maar 10 jaar bij op  ;)  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/06/2019 | 16:47 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 17/06/2019 | 16:35 uur
Tel daar maar 10 jaar bij op  ;)  ;D

:angel: Je hebt volkomen gelijk: 29 jaar geleden!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/06/2019 | 16:51 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/06/2019 | 16:47 uur
:angel: Je hebt volkomen gelijk: 29 jaar geleden!

Geeft wel aan hoe indrukwekkend de YF-23 begin jaren 90 was en nog steeds is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/06/2019 | 16:57 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 17/06/2019 | 16:51 uur
Geeft wel aan hoe indrukwekkend de YF-23 begin jaren 90 was en nog steeds is.

Zeker. Mij keuze zou destijds de YF-23 zijn geweest die dan was uitgegroeid tot F23A.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24911/this-is-what-a-northrop-f-23a-wouldve-looked-like-if-lockheed-lost-the-atf-competition
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 17/06/2019 | 18:42 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/06/2019 | 16:57 uur
Zeker. Mij keuze zou destijds de YF-23 zijn geweest die dan was uitgegroeid tot F23A.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24911/this-is-what-a-northrop-f-23a-wouldve-looked-like-if-lockheed-lost-the-atf-competition

Er staan op youtube hele mooie films  over dit project, met beelden van het ontwerpteam in discussie, die staart bijvoorbeeld, wat daar voor concessies achter zitten, en keuzes.. het is bizar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/06/2019 | 21:43 uur
PARIS: Turkish Fighter emerges, as US spat intensifies

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-turkish-fighter-emerges-as-us-spat-intensifi-459044/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/06/2019 | 21:48 uur
PARIS: Dassault and Airbus unveil New Generation Fighter (inclusief filmpje)

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-dassault-and-airbus-unveil-new-generation-fig-459013/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/06/2019 | 10:21 uur
Paris Air Show 2019: Lockheed Martin touts '25 by 25' initiative to drive down F-35 operating costs

https://www.janes.com/article/89314/paris-air-show-2019-lockheed-martin-touts-25-by-25-initiative-to-drive-down-f-35-operating-costs
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/06/2019 | 13:18 uur
Paris Air Show 2019: StormBreaker certified and set for IOC (v/h SDB II)

https://www.janes.com/article/89321/paris-air-show-2019-stormbreaker-certified-and-set-for-ioc
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/06/2019 | 17:18 uur
Hill's fighter wings demonstrate global reach with F-35A

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While in Norway, the team broke new ground when the Norwegian air force takes charge of generating a sortie with the U.S. jets. The Norwegians, an F-35A partner nation, used their maintainers, their ground equipment and their technical data to inspect, refuel and launch the aircraft while Hill's maintainers observed. F-35A Pilots have integrated with partner nations in the air, but this is a new process for maintainers, said Miles and it went "better than we could have hoped." When it is fully developed and part of standard operations the cross-servicing will further increase the reach of the F-35A.

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https://www.388fw.acc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1879145/hills-fighter-wings-demonstrate-global-reach-with-f-35a/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/06/2019 | 21:28 uur
PARIS: F-35 to take about half of fighter market over next decade

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-f-35-to-take-about-half-of-fighter-market-ove-459121/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2019 | 08:39 uur
REVIEW - History Repeating Itself As Europe Once Again Divided Over Warplanes - UrduPoint

https://www.urdupoint.com/en/world/review-history-repeating-itself-as-europe-o-648306.html#.XQnYcidX1b0.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/06/2019 | 10:52 uur
Air2030 Dassault Rafale

(klik voor vergroting)
(https://blogs.letemps.ch/pascal-kuemmerling/wp-content/uploads/sites/60/2019/05/unnamed.jpg)

https://blogs.letemps.ch/pascal-kuemmerling/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2019 | 11:20 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 19/06/2019 | 10:52 uur
Air2030 Dassault Rafale


Een tijdlijn die verder gaat dan 2060 is natuurlijk BS, zeker als FCAS vanaf rond 2040 haar intrede moet gaan doen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/06/2019 | 11:27 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2019 | 11:20 uur
Een tijdlijn die verder gaat dan 2060 is natuurlijk BS, zeker als FCAS vanaf rond 2040 haar intrede moet gaan doen.

Als de klant in 2060 de Rafale nog wil laten vliegen, dan kan Dassault een Mid/End Life Update verzorgen. Dat gebeurt nu ook met oudere types.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2019 | 11:42 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 19/06/2019 | 11:27 uur
Als de klant in 2060 de Rafale nog wil laten vliegen, dan kan Dassault een Mid/End Life Update verzorgen. Dat gebeurt nu ook met oudere types.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/06/2019 | 11:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2019 | 11:42 uur
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Dassault geeft in ieder geval de mogelijkheid. En misschien is het de tweedehands of zelfs de derdehands eigenaar die een MLU wil. Lockheed Martin doet dat straks ook met de F-16V.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2019 | 12:23 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 19/06/2019 | 11:49 uur
Dassault geeft in ieder geval de mogelijkheid. En misschien is het de tweedehands of zelfs de derdehands eigenaar die een MLU wil. Lockheed Martin doet dat straks ook met de F-16V.

Ik zie het als niet waarschijnlijk, in 2060 is het concept meer dan 60 jaar oud (en dan er operationeel mee blijven vliegen tot 2080? is dan wel een dingetje.

De F16 wordt vandaag de dag nog gewoon geproduceerd. Als de voortekenen niet bedriegen dan droogt de productielijn van Rafale redelijks snel op als er geen of onvoldoende export orders worden geschreven.

Een nieuwgebouwde Rafale in 2040 is wellicht in 2060 een MLU waard, maar nieuwbouw van dit model zie ik rond die tijd niet meer gebeuren, vermoedelijk valt het doek v.w.b. productie reeds in het volgende decennium.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/06/2019 | 12:40 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2019 | 12:23 uur
Ik zie het als niet waarschijnlijk, in 2060 is het concept meer dan 60 jaar oud (en dan er operationeel mee blijven vliegen tot 2080? is dan wel een dingetje.

De F16 wordt vandaag de dag nog gewoon geproduceerd. Als de voortekenen niet bedriegen dan droogt de productielijn van Rafale redelijks snel op als er geen of onvoldoende export orders worden geschreven.

Een nieuwgebouwde Rafale in 2040 is wellicht in 2060 een MLU waard, maar nieuwbouw van dit model zie ik rond die tijd niet meer gebeuren, vermoedelijk valt het doek v.w.b. productie reeds in het volgende decennium.

2060 lijkt zo ver weg. Op dit moment vliegen er nog zat jachtvliegtuigen van 40 jaar en ouder wereldwijd. Van sommige types is de effectiviteit misschien allang verdwenen, maar ze zijn er nog steeds. De gebruiksduur weet men steeds verder op te rekken.

Dat er einde komt aan nieuwbouw zegt niets over het toepassen van Mid Life Updates of zelfs End Life Updates. Ook derde partijen spelen daar graag op in.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/06/2019 | 13:03 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 19/06/2019 | 12:40 uur
2060 lijkt zo ver weg. Op dit moment vliegen er nog zat jachtvliegtuigen van 40 jaar en ouder wereldwijd. Van sommige types is de effectiviteit misschien allang verdwenen, maar ze zijn er nog steeds. De gebruiksduur weet men steeds verder op te rekken.

Dat er einde komt aan nieuwbouw zegt niets over het toepassen van Mid Life Updates of zelfs End Life Updates. Ook derde partijen spelen daar graag op in.

Dat is waar... 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/06/2019 | 10:26 uur
​PARIS: JF-17 Block III to have first flight by year-end

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-jf-17-block-iii-to-have-first-flight-by-year-459214/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/06/2019 | 13:57 uur
Paris Air Show 2019: Eurofighter launches long-term development plan for Typhoon

https://www.janes.com/article/89370/paris-air-show-2019-eurofighter-launches-long-term-development-plan-for-typhoon
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/06/2019 | 15:48 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 20/06/2019 | 13:57 uur
Paris Air Show 2019: Eurofighter launches long-term development plan for Typhoon

https://www.janes.com/article/89370/paris-air-show-2019-eurofighter-launches-long-term-development-plan-for-typhoon

Eurofighter Typhoon Long-Term Evolution

(https://www.adsadvance.co.uk/media/images/2019%20SUMMER/eurofighter-typhoon-Copyright%20Eurofighter.jpg)
https://www.adsadvance.co.uk/media/images/2019%20SUMMER/eurofighter-typhoon-Copyright%20Eurofighter.jpg

"The LTE study contract backed by the strength of the Eurofighter partners will see Typhoon evolve to become the complete battlefield controller."

The high technology areas being explored include:

1) Mission System Architecture: The Eurofighter Typhoon already has one of the world's most advanced Electronic Warfare systems. The LTE study will reinforce this by supporting the generation, transmission and utilisation of ever-increasing amounts of digital data both on-board (via advanced multi-spectral sensors) and off board (via high performance tactical datalinks), whilst remaining resilient to new and emerging threats, including cyber. This will maintain Eurofighter's ability to operate in the highly contested and congested future operating environment.

2) The Praetorian Defensive Aids Sub System (DASS): Looking at potential future DASS requirements out to 2050, enabling Typhoon to cope faster, easier and more affordably with new requirements to counter threats as they arise in the future.

3) The Human-Machine Interface: Refreshed cockpit displays and controls which will enable more demanding missions in the future, whilst ensuring full interoperability with cooperating assets in the air and over land and sea.

4) Operational Flexibility: Applying new adaptive power and cooling techniques and facilitating the agile integration of advanced weapons, thereby enabling more flexible store configurations to be flown.

5) Engine Performance: In terms of the EJ200 engine, the focus is on four key areas: thrust growth; range and persistence with increased parts life; survivability as well as control system enhancements.

https://www.adsadvance.co.uk/paris-air-show-eurofighter-eurojet-and-netma-sign-typhoon-lte-contracts.html


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/06/2019 | 20:21 uur
Paris Air Show 2019: Lockheed Martin confirms F-35A for Finland's HX

https://www.janes.com/article/89400/paris-air-show-2019-lockheed-martin-confirms-f-35a-for-finland-s-hx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/06/2019 | 22:46 uur
Nuet helaal het juiste topic voor deze tweet maar het heeft wel een zeer sterke relatie.

Rachel S. Cohen‏ @rachelkaras 

NEWS: The Air Force is developing a new air-to-air missile, the AIM-260, that will fly on fighter jets starting in 2022 and eventually replace @Raytheon's AMRAAM.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/06/2019 | 10:19 uur
Air Force Developing AMRAAM Replacement to Counter China

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/June%202019/Air-Force-Developing-AMRAAM-Replacement-to-Counter-China.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/06/2019 | 10:21 uur
McMahon Still Optimistic About Hitting F-35 Operating Cost Goals

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/June%202019/McMahon-Still-Optimistic-About-Hitting-F-35-Operating-Cost-Goals.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/06/2019 | 14:19 uur
Paris Air Show 2019: Lockheed Martin targeting continued European F-16 growth

https://www.janes.com/article/89417/paris-air-show-2019-lockheed-martin-targeting-continued-european-f-16-growth
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/06/2019 | 10:34 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/06/2019 | 11:49 uur
Misawa Block-50 F-16 hits 10K hours, an AF first

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1880823/misawa-block-50-f-16-hits-10k-hours-an-af-first/

Info over F-16C 90-0808.

http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16/airframe-profile/3180/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 25/06/2019 | 11:11 uur
UK F-35s make combat debut against Islamic State

UK Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning combat aircraft operating out of Cyprus have flown the type's first combat missions in national service, conducting operational sorties against the Islamic State in the Middle East.

The milestone was announced by the UK Defence Secretary Penny Mordaunt during a media event at Royal Air Force (RAF) Akrotiri on 24 June. According to the Ministry of Defence (MoD), F-35B combat operations commenced on 16 June and are ongoing.

Aircraft from the RAF's 617 'Dambusters' Squadron (although staffed with mixed RAF and Royal Navy [RN] personnel) have to date flown 13 armed overwatch missions over Iraq and Syria as part of Operation 'Shader' (the UK's mission against the Islamic State in the Middle East).

https://www.janes.com/article/89474/uk-f-35s-make-combat-debut-against-islamic-state
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/06/2019 | 12:04 uur
Film geeft uitleg over de Mission Data File (MDF) voor de F-35.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/06/2019 | 13:08 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 03/07/2019 | 09:31 uur
Next-generation Growler jammer development advances 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO94KgtUhmo
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/07/2019 | 11:45 uur
Three nations stage F-35 drills over southern Italy (onlangs nog een F-35 training met Israël, VK en VS)

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/07/03/three-nations-stage-f-35-drills-over-southern-italy/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/07/2019 | 19:03 uur
India edges forward with rebooted plan to acquire 110 fighters

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/india-edges-forward-with-rebooted-plan-to-acquire-11-459470/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/07/2019 | 11:06 uur
Sweden signs up to join Tempest fighter programme

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/07/05/sweden-signs-join-tempest-fighter-programme/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw via @telebusiness
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 06/07/2019 | 11:31 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/07/2019 | 11:06 uur
Sweden signs up to join Tempest fighter programme

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/07/05/sweden-signs-join-tempest-fighter-programme/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw via @telebusiness
Laat NL zich ook maar aansluiten ! Lijk me beter dan bij het Frans / Duitse programma , gedoemd om te mislukken.
Tempest programma zal vanuit de VS veel eerder ondersteuning krijgen met intergratie van systemen en wapens.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/07/2019 | 11:42 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 06/07/2019 | 11:31 uur
Laat NL zich ook maar aansluiten ! Lijk me beter dan bij het Frans / Duitse programma , gedoemd om te mislukken.
Tempest programma zal vanuit de VS veel eerder ondersteuning krijgen met intergratie van systemen en wapens.

"Spain has formally announced its interest in joining the Franco-German stealth fighter project, commonly referred to as the Next Generation Weapon System, or NGWS. At the same time, the Spanish Ministry of Defense claims that Italy and The Netherlands have signed on to be part of the United Kingdom's Tempest sixth-generation fighter jet program, which it also predicts will merge with France and Germany's effort to create a true European fighter jet project"

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25279/eurofighter-consortium-2-0-takes-shape-as-spain-set-to-join-franco-german-stealth-jet-program
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/07/2019 | 11:50 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 06/07/2019 | 11:31 uur
Tempest programma zal vanuit de VS veel eerder ondersteuning krijgen met intergratie van systemen en wapens.

Zou vreemd zijn als dat met het FCAS ontwerp niet mogelijk zou zijn. Bij de Rafale zijn Amerikaanse systemen en bewapening mogelijk en worden ook gebruikt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 06/07/2019 | 11:56 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 06/07/2019 | 11:50 uur
Zou vreemd zijn als dat met het FCAS ontwerp niet mogelijk zou zijn. Bij de Rafale zijn Amerikaanse systemen en bewapening mogelijk en worden ook gebruikt.

Ja maar de kans is toch veel groter dat de Britten weer met de Amerikanen gaan samen werken voor een 6th gen dan met Frankrijk, Duitsland en Spanje?

Bij een US/UK samenwerking zijn de Britten vaak een nummer 2 positie bij die andere combi komen ze gewoon achteraan omdat die andere 3 zichzelf veel belangrijker vinden.
Ik hoop dat Nederland zich ook aansluit bij de Tempest en dat we ons daarna ver weghouden van het FCAS ontwerp en haar ontwikkelaars.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/07/2019 | 12:05 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 06/07/2019 | 11:56 uur
Ja maar de kans is toch veel groter dat de Britten weer met de Amerikanen gaan samen werken voor een 6th gen dan met Frankrijk, Duitsland en Spanje?

De Tempest is een Britse onderneming en daar zal gerust gebruik worden gemaakt van Amerikaanse systemen en bewapening. Dat sluit echter niet uit dat exportklanten van het Frans-Duitse ontwerp ook gebruik willen kunnen maken van Amerikaanse systemen en bewapening. Daar ging het mij om.

Citaat van: Parera op 06/07/2019 | 11:56 uur
Bij een US/UK samenwerking zijn de Britten vaak een nummer 2 positie

Die positie hebben de Britten vooral bij de F-35. Bij de ontwikkeling van de Harrier GR.5/AV-8B Harrier II ging dat meer gelijk op.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 06/07/2019 | 12:14 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 06/07/2019 | 12:05 uur
De Tempest is een Britse onderneming en daar zal gerust gebruik worden gemaakt van Amerikaanse systemen en bewapening. Dat sluit echter niet uit dat exportklanten van het Frans-Duitse ontwerp ook gebruik willen kunnen maken van Amerikaanse systemen en bewapening. Daar ging het mij om.
Ja op die manier moet het geen probleem vormen maar ik hoop dat de ''Spaanse verwachting'' niet gaat uitkomen en dat we straks 2 ''Europese'' 6th gens hebben en mogelijk nog een amerikaanse F-35 vervanger als mogelijkheid.


Citaat van: Sparkplug op 06/07/2019 | 12:05 uur
Die positie hebben de Britten vooral bij de F-35. Bij de ontwikkeling van de Harrier GR.5/AV-8B Harrier II ging dat meer gelijk op.
Ja al verwacht ik dat de Britten bij de Tempest de rollen gaan omdraaien en de Amerikanen echt als ''partner'' zien en niet als hoofdpartner. De Amerikanen zullen ondersteuning bieden bij de ontwikkelingen en integratie. Misschien kan er hier en daar samengewerkt worden op gebied van systemen waarbij zowel de Tempest als een US 6th gen toestel gebruik van kunnen maken (motoren om te beginnen).

Een Brits-Amerikaans ontwikkelde motor zou een goed begin zijn van een samenwerking tussen die 2 partners voor een 6th Gen. Bijvoorbeeld de samenwerking tussen Pratt & Whitney en Rolls Royce.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Enforcer op 06/07/2019 | 12:21 uur
Denk niet dat NL zich aansluit. Het is wel heel logisch als GKN-Fokker, en in mindere mate Thales aansluiten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 06/07/2019 | 12:27 uur
Citaat van: Enforcer op 06/07/2019 | 12:21 uur
Denk niet dat NL zich aansluit. Het is wel heel logisch als GKN-Fokker, en in mindere mate Thales aansluiten.

Thales Nederland is grotendeels gefocused op maritiem defensie en heeft weinig te maken met de luchtafdelingen die zitten volgens mij weer in Frankrijk. Ik zie voor NL een vergelijkbare rol als bij de F-35, wel als industrie partner optreden en dus mee betalen aan de ontwikkeling (en aanschaf van het toestel) maar zeker geen leidende rol voor onze industrie. Wat we nu voor de F-35 doen is in mijn ogen prima, een kleine bijdrage aan de productie maar onderhoud en instandhouding daar meer onze focus op leggen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 06/07/2019 | 13:04 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 06/07/2019 | 11:56 uur
Ja maar de kans is toch veel groter dat de Britten weer met de Amerikanen gaan samen werken voor een 6th gen dan met Frankrijk, Duitsland en Spanje?

Bij een US/UK samenwerking zijn de Britten vaak een nummer 2 positie bij die andere combi komen ze gewoon achteraan omdat die andere 3 zichzelf veel belangrijker vinden.
Ik hoop dat Nederland zich ook aansluit bij de Tempest en dat we ons daarna ver weghouden van het FCAS ontwerp en haar ontwikkelaars.
Precies..
Ik denk dat export en ondersteuning, makkelijker zal gaan met directe al dan indirecte betrokkenheid vanuit de VS
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 06/07/2019 | 14:26 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 06/07/2019 | 14:09 uur
Dat zijn natuurlijk wel vage begrippen. De Grippen bezit bijvoorbeeld ook gedeeltelijk Amerikaanse hardware en dat maakte export op een zeker moment juist moeilijker.
Wat dat betreft kun je het best Frans hebben denk ik, die verkopen aan iedereen. Duitsland aan vrijwel niemand en US en UK een beetje wanneer het ze uitkomt.

En daar gaat straks een probleem ontstaan bij de FCAS, Frankrijk wil het verkopen aan alles en iedereen en Duitsland heeft daar moeite mee. Nu moesten de Duitsers volgens mij tekenen dat ze geen bezwaar kunnen maken tegen export orders die de Fransen goedkeuren dus dat probleem wil Parijs al vroeg getackled hebben.

Maar dat gaat op een moment natuurlijk problemen opleveren en de kans is dan aanwezig dat Frankrijk zich terug trekt en zelf verder gaat (zie Rafale) of dat Duitsland aansluit bij de UK/US plannen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/07/2019 | 15:06 uur
Vraag mij toch af waarmee de Britten de F-35B gaan vervangen. Dat moment kan ook het moment zijn dat de Nederlandse F-35A aan vervanging toe is. Het moet nog maar blijken of de Tempest en FCAS aan de Nederlandse wensen/eisen zullen voldoen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/07/2019 | 18:24 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 06/07/2019 | 15:06 uur
Vraag mij toch af waarmee de Britten de F-35B gaan vervangen. Dat moment kan ook het moment zijn dat de Nederlandse F-35A aan vervanging toe is. Het moet nog maar blijken of de Tempest en FCAS aan de Nederlandse wensen/eisen zullen voldoen.

Het zal een interessante uitdaging worden. Wellicht koop je voor €1 miljard in 2050 3 maximaal 4 exemplaren van genoemde concepten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 06/07/2019 | 19:10 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 06/07/2019 | 11:31 uur
Laat NL zich ook maar aansluiten ! Lijk me beter dan bij het Frans / Duitse programma , gedoemd om te mislukken.
Tempest programma zal vanuit de VS veel eerder ondersteuning krijgen met intergratie van systemen en wapens.

Wij hebben ons daar al bij 'aangesloten'.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/07/2019 | 00:06 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 06/07/2019 | 19:10 uur
Wij hebben ons daar al bij 'aangesloten'.
Nederland wordt niet zo genoemd als deelnemer. Maar gelukkig is dat wel zo , zoals jij aangeeft.
Top ... goede beslissing.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 07/07/2019 | 00:44 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 06/07/2019 | 19:10 uur
Wij hebben ons daar al bij 'aangesloten'.

Daar is volgens mij nog niks ''officieel'' over naar buiten gecommuniceerd, wel is er vermeld door meerdere partijen in het Tempest project (Italië en nu weer bij Zweden) dat wij gaan mee doen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 07/07/2019 | 01:16 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/07/2019 | 18:24 uur
Het zal een interessante uitdaging worden. Wellicht koop je voor €1 miljard in 2050 3 maximaal 4 exemplaren van genoemde concepten.
;D  In september 2018 bedroeg het F-35A project budget EUR 4.863,20 miljoen en de project raming was EUR 5.150,80 / 37 kisten = gemiddeld EUR 131,44  /
139,21 miljoen.

Delen we 1.000 miljoen door deze bedragen, dan kunnen we daarvan slechts 7 a 8 F-35A's aan schaffen.   

En dan laat ik de kosten voor langer doorvliegen met de F16 en de Follow-on-Modernization van block 3 naar block 4 nog buiten beschouwing.

De Belgen betalen USD 6.530 miljoen / 34 kisten = USD 192 miljoen / 1,07 (USD termijn koers) = EUR 179,49 miljoen per F-35A.
Een miljard / 179,49 miljoen geeft slechts 5 a 6 F-35A's.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/07/2019 | 08:35 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 07/07/2019 | 01:16 uur
;D  In september 2018 bedroeg het F-35A project budget EUR 4.863,20 miljoen en de project raming was EUR 5.150,80 / 37 kisten = gemiddeld EUR 131,44  /
139,21 miljoen.

Delen we 1.000 miljoen door deze bedragen, dan kunnen we daarvan slechts 7 a 8 F-35A's aan schaffen.   

En dan laat ik de kosten voor langer doorvliegen met de F16 en de Follow-on-Modernization van block 3 naar block 4 nog buiten beschouwing.

De Belgen betalen USD 6.530 miljoen / 34 kisten = USD 192 miljoen / 1,07 (USD termijn koers) = EUR 179,49 miljoen per F-35A.
Een miljard / 179,49 miljoen geeft slechts 5 a 6 F-35A's.

Een Amerikaans perspectief... Ergens denk ik dat de Europeanen het niet goedkoper zullen kunnen....

Budget watchdog warns this fighter could cost three times that of the F-35

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/12/14/budget-watchdogs-warn-of-expensive-price-tag-for-next-air-force-fighter/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/07/2019 | 11:31 uur
'Argonauts' Complete Transition to F-35C Lightning II

https://navalaviationnews.navylive.dodlive.mil/2019/07/02/argonauts-complete-transition-to-f-35c-lightning-ii/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/07/2019 | 11:54 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 07/07/2019 | 19:07 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/07/2019 | 08:35 uur
Een Amerikaans perspectief... Ergens denk ik dat de Europeanen het niet goedkoper zullen kunnen....

Budget watchdog warns this fighter could cost three times that of the F-35

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/12/14/budget-watchdogs-warn-of-expensive-price-tag-for-next-air-force-fighter/
De vliegende Dreadnought.

Het multi-functionele Joint Strike Fighter project is een 'vergaarbak' / "one size fits all" oplossing voor meerdere van vaak fundamenteel van elkaar verschillende jachtvliegtuig programma's, zoals een toekomstige vervanger voor de Harrier stijlstarter (ASTOVL), een vervanger voor de A-6 Intruder en geannuleerde A-12 Avenger  lange-afstand Air Interdiction jachtbommenwerper.  Een vervanger voor de A-10 tankbuster, F-14 Tomcat luchtoverwichtjager / interceptor (onderschepper), diverse F-15, F-16 en -18 varianten.
Het JSF project is net als Robert McNamara's TFX project / F-111, een politiek idee: een standaard kist, die snel en in zo groot mogelijke aantallen gebouwd kon worden en zodoende zouden de aanschafkosten op slechts USD 37,1 - 38 miljoen (fly-away prijs) voor een F-35A = 7,25 - 5 % goedkoper dan een JAS-39A (alpha) Gripen, kunnen worden gehouden.
Critici schatten in 2001 - 2002 al in dat de F-35A fly-away prijs, is een US DoD prijs, dus exclusief al betaalde ontwikkelingskosten, zou uitkomen op USD 83 miljoen.
Want een opeenstapeling van allerlei sterk verschillende en ook nog eens ambitieuze eisen in een type, met 3 varianten.
Evolueerde de F-16A/B block 5 van een simpele clear-weather luchtgevechtjager met secundaire lucht-grond aanvalstaak, naar de multi-functionele F-16AM/BM en F-16C
block 40 en hoger.   Het multi-role concept, heeft men echter in het F-35 jachtvliegtuig al te ver moeten doorvoeren. 
Een doodlopende weg dus te multi-functionele en dus te complexe en veel te dure jachtvliegtuigen.
Het Pentagon concludeerde men dan ook dat men beter en goedkoper uit zou zijn met een aantal verschillende types.

In Europa doet men ook graag aan opeenstapeling van verschillende eisen. Is in het internationale JSF project de VS de "leading nation".  In Europa is er eerst een worsteling wie de leading nation mag worden en soms is die er helemaal niet zoals in het NH90 programma.  In de VS is er al een sterke lobby van fabrikanten en afgevaardigden die zoveel mogelijk werk en omzet naar hun State proberen te krijgen.  In Europa is dat gevecht veel erger, want verschillende naties, culturen en mentaliteiten, met hun trots en gevoeligheden, die dan ook nog eens met elkaar botsen.  Is men er na lang soebatten eenmaal uit, dan moeten deze verschillende naties alles echt alles op papier dichttimmeren.  Om te voorkomen dat er tijdens het verdere verloop van het betreffende project onenigheid en problemen gaan ontstaan.  Dus krijg je een excessieve project bureaucratie, die de boel stroperig maakt, dus vertraagt en de kosten opjaagt.
De Europeanen hoeven ook niet op de "scale of economy" in te zetten, want hun gezamenlijke productie is toch kleiner dan die van de VS alleen.

"The Air Force has said little about PCA since the release of the Air Superiority 2030 flight plan in 2016, which stated a need for a new fighter jet that would be networked into a family of systems of other air, space, cyber and electronic warfare technologies.
"The replacement may not be a single platform," Gen. Dave Goldfein, the Air Force's chief of staff, told Defense News earlier this year. "It may be two or three different kinds of capabilities and systems. And so as we look at air superiority in the future, ensuring that we're advancing to stay ahead of the adversary, we're looking at all those options."

Terug naar het JSF project.  Dat begon eigenlijk onder de naam Joint Advanced Strike Technologies (JAST) in het begin van de jaren 90.  Bij het JAST project had men echter niet 1 type jachtvliegtuig voor ogen.  Maar net als in de door Jurrien gegeven link over het Penetrating Counter Air (PCA):
Voorzag het JAST juist in ontwikkeling van diverse technologieën en vooral van diverse capaciteiten en wapensystemen die de toenmalige jachtvliegtuig vloot kon vervangen.
Helaas doorkruisten politici en hooggeplaatste militairen deze diversificatie.  Na het einde van de Koude Oorlog wilden politici weinig uitgeven aan defensie.  Dus een standaard product geproduceerd in massale aantallen, zodat de kosten (hopelijk) lekker laag zouden blijven.
De hooggeplaatste militairen zagen er ook niets in.  Want diversificatie zorgt voor grotere logistieke kosten en problemen.
En ... diversificatie zou wel eens inhouden dat een bepaald wapensysteem uiteindelijk vervangen wordt door meerdere systemen die misschien of waarschijnlijk helemaal niet meer onder jou krijgsmachtdeel gaan vallen.
Dus krijgen we een uiterst multi-functioneel standaard wapenplatform in de vorm van de F-35.

Ik ben benieuwd of men in het PCA  project wel de benodigde diversificatie over diverse platformen weet te bereiken.

USD 300 miljoen voor een jachtvliegtuig.  "We zijn er een verloren, omdat de vlieger last had van desoriëntatie."  We zijn er een paar verloren omdat bleek dat de naverbrander verkeerd ontworpen was."  Ga je een F-35A van ruwweg USD 200 miljoen of een PCA van USD 300 miljoen riskeren in een luchtgevecht met een MiG-29 ?

Het "dreadnought" slagschip had ooit zijn glorie tijd op de zeeën.  Maar zijn concept verdween in WO 2 letterlijk en figuurlijk onder de golven en haar taken werden overgenomen door vliegdekschepen.
Het zou heel goed kunnen dat de rollen van het jachtvliegtuig in de toekomst worden overgenomen door andere wapensystemen.
Technisch gezien geen probleem, maar politiek / cultureel veel moeilijker, want een vlieger ziet zijn werk niet graag overgenomen door UAV's en hypersonische raketten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/07/2019 | 11:10 uur
AVIC official sounds upbeat note about FC-31: report

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/avic-official-sounds-upbeat-note-about-fc-31-repor-459530/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/07/2019 | 19:21 uur
Exclusive: Airbus, Boeing indicate they may pull out of Canada fighter jet race - sources

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-fighterjets-exclusive/exclusive-airbus-boeing-indicate-they-may-pull-out-of-canada-fighter-jet-race-sources-idUSKCN1U32EX
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 09/07/2019 | 19:47 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/07/2019 | 19:21 uur
Exclusive: Airbus, Boeing indicate they may pull out of Canada fighter jet race - sources

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-fighterjets-exclusive/exclusive-airbus-boeing-indicate-they-may-pull-out-of-canada-fighter-jet-race-sources-idUSKCN1U32EX
Je moet wat als de concurrent een toestel bezit met capaciteiten die dat van jou niet heeft.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/07/2019 | 20:00 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 09/07/2019 | 19:47 uur
Je moet wat als de concurrent een toestel bezit met capaciteiten die dat van jou niet heeft.

De campagne belofte van Trudeau was dat er geen F-35 zou worden gekozen. Zij blijven om de hete brij draaien, maar zij ontkomen toch niet aan de F-35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 09/07/2019 | 20:07 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/07/2019 | 20:00 uur
De campagne belofte van Trudeau was dat er geen F-35 zou worden gekozen. Zij blijven om de hete brij draaien, maar zij ontkomen toch niet aan de F-35.

Canada zit tot hun nek in het F-35 programma en heeft al 160 miljoen dollar geïnvesteerd in dit project, het zou de domste keuze zijn van ze om nu voor een ander toestel te gaan. Naast het verlies van 160 miljoen betekend dit ook dat ze in de toekomst misschien niet gezien worden als betrouwbare partner bij ontwikkelings projecten.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/07/2019 | 20:12 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 09/07/2019 | 20:07 uur
Canada zit tot hun nek in het F-35 programma en heeft al 160 miljoen dollar geïnvesteerd in dit project, het zou de domste keuze zijn van ze om nu voor een ander toestel te gaan. Naast het verlies van 160 miljoen betekend dit ook dat ze in de toekomst misschien niet gezien worden als betrouwbare partner bij ontwikkelings projecten.

Het is inderdaad niet te hopen dat Ottawa op dezelfde voet doorgaat met het maken van bepaalde keuzes. Sommige eerder gemaakte keuzes waren ook niet altijd de handigste.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 09/07/2019 | 20:42 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 07/07/2019 | 11:54 uur


En vliegende radarreflector...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 09/07/2019 | 23:33 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 09/07/2019 | 20:42 uur
En vliegende radarreflector...
En dat staat niet in de folder....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/07/2019 | 08:55 uur
Boeing reassures it's still in the Canadian fighter competition

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/boeing-reassures-its-still-in-the-canadian-fighter-459552/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/07/2019 | 09:06 uur
Bulgaria approves F-16 purchase

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/bulgaria-approves-f-16-purchase-459581/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/07/2019 | 19:17 uur
Was kostet ein Kampfflugzeug?

https://www.offiziere.ch/?p=36113 via @offiziere
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/07/2019 | 10:31 uur
US puts rush order on long-range air-to-air missile

https://arstechnica.com/?post_type=post&p=1533533
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/07/2019 | 10:50 uur
Citaat van: Ars Technica op 12/07/2019 | 10:31 uur
US puts rush order on long-range air-to-air missile

https://arstechnica.com/?post_type=post&p=1533533

Maar zien hoe de AIM-260 zich zal houden t.o.v. de grotere Chinese PL-15. Hopelijk heeft ook de Meteor genoeg doorontwikkelingsmogelijkheden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/07/2019 | 11:03 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/07/2019 | 10:50 uur
Maar zien hoe de AIM-260 zich zal houden t.o.v. de grotere Chinese PL-15. Hopelijk heeft ook de Meteor genoeg doorontwikkelingsmogelijkheden.

Ergens zal er voor de AIM-260 of de Meteor een toekomst zijn binnen onze eigen KLu.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/07/2019 | 11:13 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/07/2019 | 11:03 uur
Ergens zal er voor de AIM-260 of de Meteor een toekomst zijn binnen onze eigen KLu.

Uiteindelijk wel. De AIM-120C7 is in feite een tussenstop voor de KLu.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/07/2019 | 14:47 uur
Saab offers Gripens to Colombia to replace Kfirs

https://www.janes.com/article/89837/saab-offers-gripens-to-colombia-to-replace-kfirs
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/07/2019 | 10:18 uur
F-35 Program Leadership Changes as Turkey's Future in Program Uncertain

https://news.usni.org/2019/07/15/f-35-program-leadership-changes-as-turkeys-future-in-program-uncertain
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/07/2019 | 21:50 uur
USAF starts construction of permanent F-35 base in Europe

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-starts-construction-of-permanent-f-35-base-in-e-459697/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/07/2019 | 14:51 uur
Nearly All F-15Es Photographed Arriving In Middle East Carried Dragon's Eye Radar Pods (AN/ASQ-236 Dragon's Eye)

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28924/nearly-all-f-15es-photographed-arriving-in-middle-east-carried-dragons-eye-radar-pods
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/07/2019 | 20:13 uur






Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/07/2019 | 09:19 uur
Turkey Formally Dropped From F-35 Program; DoD Estimates $500M to Retool Supply Chain

https://news.usni.org/2019/07/17/turkey-formally-dropped-from-f-35-program-dod-estimates-500m-to-retool-supply-chain
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/07/2019 | 09:20 uur
Lockheed Martin F-35 and F-22 to miss 80% mission capability rate (extra werk voor GKN Aerospace i.v.m. canopy)

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-martin-f-35-and-f-22-to-miss-80-mission-ca-459725/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/07/2019 | 10:36 uur
Russia continues to negotiate delivery of Su-57 PAK FA fighter to India

http://airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-defense-security-news/2019-news-aerospace-industry-air-force/july/5257-russia-continues-to-negotiate-delivery-of-su-57-pak-fa-fighter-to-india.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/07/2019 | 11:48 uur
The Case for Fifth-Generation and NGAD Airpower

http://airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2019/July%202019/The-Case-for-Fifth-Generation-and-NGAD-Airpower.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/07/2019 | 15:18 uur
UK and Sweden sign MOU on future combat air systems co-operation

https://www.janes.com/article/89966/uk-and-sweden-sign-mou-on-future-combat-air-systems-co-operation
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/07/2019 | 10:34 uur
RIAT: Leonardo stays on target with armed M-346FA

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/riat-leonardo-stays-on-target-with-armed-m-346fa-459797/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/07/2019 | 18:54 uur
Saab banks on Gripen upgrade in new UK-Sweden warplane alliance

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/07/19/saab-banks-on-gripen-boost-in-new-uk-sweden-warplane-alliance/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/07/2019 | 08:56 uur
Marines Moving To Composite Hornet Squadrons Made Up Of F/A-18Ds And F/A-18Cs

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28889/marines-moving-to-composite-hornets-squadrons-made-up-of-f-a-18ds-and-f-a-18cs
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/07/2019 | 08:57 uur
Marines Winding Down Weapon Systems Officer Position, F/A-18Ds To Fly With Pilot Only

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29078/marines-winding-down-weapon-system-officers-position-f-a-18ds-to-fly-with-pilot-only
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/07/2019 | 10:21 uur
RIAT: How Typhoon updates put Centurion on guard for UK

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/riat-how-typhoon-updates-put-centurion-on-guard-for-459480/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/07/2019 | 13:39 uur
Argentina selects Korean FA-50 fighter

https://www.janes.com/article/89974/argentina-selects-korean-fa-50-fighter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/07/2019 | 21:46 uur
Leonardo not giving up on Argentina fighter bid

https://www.janes.com/article/90007/leonardo-not-giving-up-on-argentina-fighter-bid
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 24/07/2019 | 08:28 uur
Canada launches multibillion-dollar bidding process for 88 new fighter jets

Canada has formally asked four companies to submit bids to supply a new fleet of state-of-the-art fighter jets, the latest step in the country's almost decade-long quest to upgrade its air force.

The federal department responsible for procurement said Tuesday that Saab, Airbus, Lockheed Martin and Boeing have until next spring to present initial proposals to provide 88 advanced fighters for the Royal Canadian Air Force.

The jets — part of a procurement package worth about $19 billion — are to replace the country's aging CF-18s, which have been in service for more than 35 years.

A winning bidder will be chosen in 2022, with the first plane scheduled to arrive "as early as 2025," the government said.

.../...

https://ottawacitizen.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/feds-officially-launch-contract-to-supply-88-new-fighter-jets/wcm/10762f5a-0cdb-4c70-9081-5311b2bf49a7
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/07/2019 | 08:37 uur
Citaat van: Ottawa Citizen op 24/07/2019 | 08:28 uur
Canada launches multibillion-dollar bidding process for 88 new fighter jets

.../...
A winning bidder will be chosen in 2022, with the first plane scheduled to arrive "as early as 2025," the government said.

.../...

https://ottawacitizen.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/feds-officially-launch-contract-to-supply-88-new-fighter-jets/wcm/10762f5a-0cdb-4c70-9081-5311b2bf49a7

Moeten ze nog wachten tot 2022 voordat de keuze is gemaakt. Als F-35 partner toch te gek voor woorden  :sick:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/07/2019 | 08:39 uur
Jakarta still seeking concessions on K-FX/I-FX costs

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/jakarta-still-seeking-concessions-on-k-fxi-fx-cost-459837/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/07/2019 | 08:40 uur
Bulgarian president vetoes F-16V purchase

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/bulgarian-president-vetoes-f-16v-purchase-459848/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/07/2019 | 08:40 uur
KAI yet to receive confirmation of Argentine FA-50 win

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/kai-yet-to-receive-confirmation-of-argentine-fa-50-459862/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/07/2019 | 08:51 uur
F-35 Canopy: New Glue, New Supplier May Boost Readiness

https://breakingdefense.com/2019/07/f-35-canopy-new-glue-new-supplier-may-boost-readiness/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 25/07/2019 | 00:26 uur
Leonardo to provide Tempest large-body test aircraft
https://www.janes.com/article/90044/leonardo-to-provide-tempest-large-body-test-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/07/2019 | 08:42 uur
USAF F-35As gain safety feature seven years early (Automatic Ground Collision Avoidance System)

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-f-35as-gain-safety-feature-seven-years-early-459889/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/07/2019 | 08:46 uur
138 UK F-35 Lightnings, do we still need them? – A personal view

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/138-uk-f-35-lightnings-do-we-still-need-them-a-personal-view/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/07/2019 | 11:06 uur
'Bulgaarse F-16 deal van de baan' (kans dat veto wordt verworpen)

https://www.upinthesky.nl/2019/07/25/bulgaarse-f-16-deal-van-de-baan/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: PieBie op 25/07/2019 | 12:44 uur
Goede analyse dit!
Ben heel benieuwd naar de intenties en toekomst van GB gezien de huidige ontwikkelingen. Hou mn hart vast...


Citaat van: Sparkplug op 25/07/2019 | 08:46 uur
138 UK F-35 Lightnings, do we still need them? – A personal view

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/138-uk-f-35-lightnings-do-we-still-need-them-a-personal-view/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/07/2019 | 11:25 uur
Bulgarian parliament overturns presidential veto of F-16 procurement

https://www.janes.com/article/90121/bulgarian-parliament-overturns-presidential-veto-of-f-16-procurement
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/07/2019 | 08:38 uur
Sukhoi kicks off serial production of Su-57: report

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/sukhoi-kicks-off-serial-production-of-su-57-report-459970/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/07/2019 | 09:10 uur
Japan wants to be an official F-35 partner. The Pentagon plans to say no.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2019/07/29/japan-wants-to-be-an-official-f-35-partner-the-pentagon-plans-to-say-no/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: DiepFries op 31/07/2019 | 13:15 uur
Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) and Netherlands Aviation Center (NLR) signed a cooperation agreement on future projects. The Agreement covers the TF-X program and other Space programs..

https://savunmasanayiidergilik.com/tr/HaberDergilik/TUSAs-ile-Hollandali-firma-ile-isbirligi-anlasmasi
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 31/07/2019 | 13:54 uur
Citaat van: DiepFries op 31/07/2019 | 13:15 uur
Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) and Netherlands Aviation Center (NLR) signed a cooperation agreement on future projects. The Agreement covers the TF-X program and other Space programs..

https://savunmasanayiidergilik.com/tr/HaberDergilik/TUSAs-ile-Hollandali-firma-ile-isbirligi-anlasmasi

Voor zolang het duurt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/07/2019 | 19:03 uur
Citaat31 July 2019 , at Lockheed FortWorth , Texas the first VT tail coded Vermont Air National Guard F- 35A made its first flight Aircraft AF-207 .

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=55934&sid=b856fb707cafaa06087a6e9adb6e4f63

(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67442713_2948423801850801_7162271107574136832_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQlXX2ekPAt5WsF6AKBYBnyrKpIVWBeNhX-YHKzIpY8bdWPsN7fH1WOuDFfpU5gBCmo&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=b6bd02e4a2b57ae7ba04e5de8f7097ca&oe=5DAD6900)

CitaatF-35A 17-5265 VT tail code 1st flight 31-07-2019 F.Worth

https://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=69822&start=1380
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/08/2019 | 08:51 uur
Fighter variant of M-346 secures launch deal

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/fighter-variant-of-m-346-secures-launch-deal-460019/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/08/2019 | 13:14 uur
India signs USD700 million deal with Russia for 1,000 additional air-to-air missiles

https://www.janes.com/article/90192/india-signs-usd700-million-deal-with-russia-for-1-000-additional-air-to-air-missiles
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/08/2019 | 13:15 uur
DoD awards Lockheed Martin Slovak F-16V fighter contract

https://www.janes.com/article/90215/dod-awards-lockheed-martin-slovak-f-16v-fighter-contract
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 01/08/2019 | 16:42 uur
European FCAS fighter to be optimised for carrier ops
https://www.janes.com/article/90221/european-fcas-fighter-to-be-optimised-for-carrier-ops


Prijs verhoging in 3..2..1..  :silent: In het artikel word totaal niet gesproken over de andere partners maar het draait 100% om Frankrijk en haar wensen/eisen voor de FCAS.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/08/2019 | 19:15 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 01/08/2019 | 16:42 uur
Prijs verhoging in 3..2..1..  :silent: In het artikel word totaal niet gesproken over de andere partners maar het draait 100% om Frankrijk en haar wensen/eisen voor de FCAS.

Dat andere Europese landen geen behoefte hebben aan CATOBAR zal Frankrijk worst wezen. De Aeronavale zal toch iets ter vervanging van de Rafale M moeten hebben en het wordt geen F-35C.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/08/2019 | 19:40 uur
Italy Navy, Air Force debate where to base F-35Bs

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/08/01/italy-navy-air-force-debate-where-to-base-f-35bs/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 01/08/2019 | 20:01 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 01/08/2019 | 19:15 uur
Dat andere Europese landen geen behoefte hebben aan CATOBAR zal Frankrijk worst wezen. De Aeronavale zal toch iets ter vervanging van de Rafale M moeten hebben en het wordt geen F-35C.

Klopt maar Duitsland en Spanje hebben tot op heden ook geen behoefte aan een een carrier capabel toestel.

De geschiedenis gaat zich mogelijk weer herhalen, ik ga niet vreemd opkijken als op een moment in het project Duitsland en/of Spanje zich terug trekken uit het project en zelfstandig verder gaan of aansluiten bij een ander project. Tenzij Duitsland het plan van een ''Europäischer flugzeugträger'' serieus gaan doorzetten. Volgens een Duitse berekening kost een carrier ala Ford class zo'n 2,5 miljoen Euro per dag inclusief alle lonen, dat komt op jaar basis uit op 1 miljard Euro. Dan moet de bouw nog apart gerekend worden.

Citaat
In 1983 Italy, Germany, France, the UK and Spain launched the "Future European Fighter Aircraft" (FEFA) programme. The aircraft was to have short take off and landing (STOL) and beyond visual range (BVR) capabilities. In 1984, France reiterated its requirement for a carrier-capable version and demanded a leading role. Italy, West Germany and the UK opted out and established a new EFA programme. In Turin on 2 August 1985, West Germany, the UK and Italy agreed to go ahead with the Eurofighter; and confirmed France, along with Spain, had chosen not to proceed as a member of the project. Despite pressure from France, Spain rejoined the Eurofighter project in early September 1985. France officially withdrew from the project to pursue its own ACX project, which was to become the Dassault Rafale.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/08/2019 | 08:43 uur
Image confirms J-20 fighter assigned to PLAAF combat unit at Wuhu

https://www.janes.com/article/90225/image-confirms-j-20-fighter-assigned-to-plaaf-combat-unit-at-wuhu
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/08/2019 | 08:58 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 01/08/2019 | 20:01 uur
Klopt maar Duitsland en Spanje hebben tot op heden ook geen behoefte aan een een carrier capabel toestel.


Ook de Rafale kent een maritieme en een niet maritieme variant, ik zie het probleem niet zo voor andere partner landen in FCAS tenzij de Fransen de additionele ontwikkelingskosten voor FCAS-M willen verdisconteren over de partners.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/08/2019 | 10:04 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 02/08/2019 | 09:54 uur
De vraag is welke ontwerp compromissen gesloten moeten worden. Frankrijk is het enige Europese land met een echte carrier capaciteit. Wil je soevereiniteit betekent dat ook investeren, ook in dit soort dingen.

Dassault heeft ervaring met het verschil tussen de Rafale B/C en Rafale M. Die kennis zal zeker worden meegenomen. Zoals Jurrien al terecht opmerkt, is het de vraag of aan de partnerlanden de ontwikkelingskosten van de CATOBAR variant zullen worden doorberekend. Als Frankrijk dat niet doet, dan is er niets aan de hand. Helaas is daar nog geen garantie voor.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: MasterChief1971 op 02/08/2019 | 10:24 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 02/08/2019 | 09:54 uur
Je kunt ook stellen dat de USN schijf heeft aan de overige F35 gebruikers door een F35C te eisen. 

Niet echt terecht. Dit is opgelegd vanuit de politiek. Die heeft gekeken naar de F4 die, heel succesvol, door zowel de USN, USMC als USAF werd gebruikt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/08/2019 | 13:46 uur
Countdown begins for arrival of Vermont's F-35s (158th FW Burlington, Vermont is eerste F-35A Air National Guard eenheid)

https://www.wcax.com/content/news/Countdown-begins-for-arrival-of-Vermonts-F-35s-513509391.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/08/2019 | 14:28 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 02/08/2019 | 14:14 uur
Uiteindelijk hebben de Fransen met de Rafale doorgaans voorgelopen op de Typhoon. Het lijkt erop dat de Typhoon gebruikers achteraf met een Rafale ten alle tijde meer capaciteit hadden gehad. Vooral de air-ground capaciteit heeft natuurlijk een tijdje geduurd, vooral omdat Duitsland het niet nodig vond. De Britten hebben het toen maar zelf ontwikkeld, en daar ook de kosten voor moeten dragen.

Er was een studiemodel van een CATOBAR uitvoering van de Typhoon. Was deze echt aangekocht door de Royal Navy, dan was die splitsing in 1985 eigenlijk niet nodig geweest. De RAF Typhoons zijn inderdaad meer all-round dan die van de Luftwaffe.

Citaat van: Thomasen op 02/08/2019 | 14:14 uur
Wat moeilijker te compenseren is zijn de ontwerp compromissen. Maar daar moeten we dan maar mee leven. Het blijkt bij de meeste toestellen ook niet echt een probleem.

Over ontwerp compromissen gesproken. Ooit zag men de F-18L als de goedkope landversie van de Hornet met lichter onderstel en andere indeling van de weapon stations. Dat ging dus niet door.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 02/08/2019 | 14:42 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/08/2019 | 08:58 uur
Ook de Rafale kent een maritieme en een niet maritieme variant, ik zie het probleem niet zo voor andere partner landen in FCAS tenzij de Fransen de additionele ontwikkelingskosten voor FCAS-M willen verdisconteren over de partners.

Ik haal aan dat de Fransen ook zo waren tijdens de ontwikkeling van de EF Typhoon en dat hun houding uiteindelijk gezorgd heeft voor een splitsing in de partners.

Citaat van: Thomasen op 02/08/2019 | 09:54 uur
Je kunt ook stellen dat de USN schijf heeft aan de overige F35 gebruikers door een F35C te eisen. 

De vraag is welke ontwerp compromissen gesloten moeten worden. Frankrijk is het enige Europese land met een echte carrier capaciteit. Wil je soevereiniteit betekent dat ook investeren, ook in dit soort dingen.

Klopt dat is ook 1 van de vele redenen dat de F-35 zo duur geworden is. De FCAS gaat ook duur worden dat is al bekend maar de exacte prijs zullen we moeten afwachten.

Het grote gevaar schuilt hem in de Franse aanwezigheid, die eisen dat het toestel carrier geschikt gemaakt word en ook eisen ze dat de partners volledige medewerking verlenen aan export orders ook als de partner daar totaal niets voor voelt. Het is gewoon een Franse fighter met een 2 a 3 tal partner landen en die mogen kleine delen van de jets gaan ontwikkelen /produceren maar ik verwacht dat meer dan 50% van het werk in Franse handen blijft.

De Rafale M is voor 95% gelijk aan de Rafale C van de luchtmacht, het nadeel is daarbij wel dat er beperkingen voor het toestel gelden zodat ze in de liften en hangaar van de Franse carrier gaan passen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/08/2019 | 18:56 uur
Lockheed gets production contract for Slovak F-16s

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-gets-production-contract-for-slovak-f-16s-460090/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 05/08/2019 | 19:04 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 05/08/2019 | 18:56 uur
Lockheed gets production contract for Slovak F-16s

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-gets-production-contract-for-slovak-f-16s-460090/

Nieuwbouw  :omg: Goede deal voor de Slowaken 11 Mig-29's inruilen voor 14 F-16's.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 05/08/2019 | 20:41 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 01/08/2019 | 16:42 uur
European FCAS fighter to be optimised for carrier ops
https://www.janes.com/article/90221/european-fcas-fighter-to-be-optimised-for-carrier-ops

Prijs verhoging in 3..2..1..  :silent: In het artikel word totaal niet gesproken over de andere partners maar het draait 100% om Frankrijk en haar wensen/eisen voor de FCAS.
Als een FCAS partner behoefte heeft aan een variant die vanaf vliegdekschepen kan opereren.  Dan kan je 2 kanten op, je optimaliseert het ontwerp voor land bases. Vervolgens probeer je dan dat ontwerp aan te passen aan vliegdekschip operaties.  Of je houdt van het begin af aan er al rekening mee dat je ontwerp 'gecontroleerde crashes' op vliegdekschepen moet kunnen uitvoeren.  De enorme krachten van een catapult start kan doorstaan, goed corrosie bestendig is en electro-magnetisch bestendig is tegen de vele krachtige radio en radar zenders op marineschepen.

De Franse marine heeft ooit eens proeven gedaan met een aangepaste Jaguar M, vanaf vliegdekschepen.  Echter, alle aanpassingen achteraf, maakten deze Jaguar M veel te duur.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/08/2019 | 20:50 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 05/08/2019 | 20:41 uur
De Franse marine heeft ooit eens proeven gedaan met een aangepaste Jaguar M, vanaf vliegdekschepen.  Echter, alle aanpassingen achteraf, maakten deze Jaguar M veel te duur.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 05/08/2019 | 21:02 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 05/08/2019 | 20:41 uur
Als een FCAS partner behoefte heeft aan een variant die vanaf vliegdekschepen kan opereren.  Dan kan je 2 kanten op, je optimaliseert het ontwerp voor land bases. Vervolgens probeer je dan dat ontwerp aan te passen aan vliegdekschip operaties.  Of je houdt van het begin af aan er al rekening mee dat je ontwerp 'gecontroleerde crashes' op vliegdekschepen moet kunnen uitvoeren.  De enorme krachten van een catapult start kan doorstaan, goed corrosie bestendig is en electro-magnetisch bestendig is tegen de vele krachtige radio en radar zenders op marineschepen.

De Franse marine heeft ooit eens proeven gedaan met een aangepaste Jaguar M, vanaf vliegdekschepen.  Echter, alle aanpassingen achteraf, maakten deze Jaguar M veel te duur.

Bij de Rafale hebben de Fransen gekozen voor de optie om het basis ontwerp (Rafale C) te versterken, neuswiel verlengen, haak toevoegen en het inbouwen van de instapladder. Hierdoor nam het gewicht wel toe met 500 kg.

De kans is heel groot dat ze nu dus ook eerst de ''basis variant'' van de FCAS gaan ontwikkelen en daarna de aanpassingen gaan doorvoeren voor de (Franse) marine variant (natuurlijk wel ook rekening houden in het basis ontwerp met deze plannen).

De andere optie is natuurlijk dat de Duitsers en Spanjaarden straks rondvliegen met toestellen die geschikt zijn voor carrier operaties terwijl ze dit helemaal niet nodig hebben, iets wat Spanje al doet met de F/A-18's. Die optie is ook heel goed mogelijk maar omdat de Franse luchtmacht ook een '''normale variant'' nodig heeft is het nog maar de vraag of het op die manier gaat gebeuren.

De 1e variant is het meest logische omdat dit ook gebeurde bij de Rafale en voor zowel de Franse luchtmacht, Duitsers en Spanjaarden nuttiger is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 05/08/2019 | 21:22 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 02/08/2019 | 16:03 uur
Zo'n splitsing was ook niet nodig geweest natuurlijk. Het had ook gelijk een groot deel van de underfunding aan kunnen pakken. Uiteindelijk is goed project management ook een politieke keuze. Niet dat je dan de garantie hebt dat het goed gaat, maar soms wordt het niet eens geprobeerd.

Nou gaaf, maar uiteindelijk waren de partners dus een beetje jaloers op Frankrijk. want Frankrijk heeft en een extra versie ontwikkeld, en een groter deel van het groeipad waargemaakt.
Allemaal onderbuikrethoriek. Uiteindelijk zaten de Britten met de Duitsers in hun maag, die vonden het wel goed zo. Daarom duurde het zo lang voor o.a. de AESA radar werd ontwikkeld, de AG capaciteit tot wasdom kwam, de Meteor campaign, alles.

Als je een hoge mate van gelijkheid wil behouden ga je tegen dat soort dingen aanlopen ja.
De specificaties voor wat uiteindelijk de Rafale en Typhoon werd liepen ver uit elkaar.

Europese luchtmachten hebben een lange traditie met luchtoverwicht / onderschepping vliegtuigen.  Die heel veel motor zijn, want moet snel een hoge snelheid kunnen behalen,  zo snel mogelijk kunnen klimmen, bij voorkeur ook nog zeer wendbaar zijn.  Maar 'heel veel motor' betekend ook weinig peut, dus 'korte benen' (kort bereik).
De Typhoon ligt precies in lijn met dat concept.

De Rafale moest in eerste instantie de taken van de Jaguar jachtbommenwerper overnemen, daarnaast ook nog eens een deel van de Mirage F1's en op termijn de oudste Mirage 2000's vervangen.
De Franse luchtmacht hield in de jaren 70 en 80 tijdens de concept en ontwerp fase al vast aan een veel groter bereik voor de ACX Rafale dan de Jaguar, Mirage F1 varianten en de latere Mirage 2000D's (D= multi-role conventionele aanval) en 2000N's (N= nucleaire aanval).
Dit had primair te maken met lange afstand missies boven Afrika en ten tweede aanvallen diep in Warschaupact territorium.
De Rafale werd dus een zogenaamde omni-role gevechtsvliegtuig.    Ten opzichte van de Typhoon inferieur in de lucht-lucht prestaties, maar juist superieur in de lucht-grond prestaties (uitstekend nuttige lading - bereik verhouding) en zeer goede lucht-grond capaciteiten.  De Rafale heeft veel uitgebreidere EOV apparatuur en mogelijkheden. 
En beschikt over een capabel passief radar uitzending peil systeem, zodat het ook in de SEAD / DEAD (Surpression or Destruction Enemy's Air Defense) rol goed uit de voeten kan.
Kan de Typhoon beschouwd worden als de 'poor men's F-22A Raptor.  De Rafale kan gezien worden als een Franse Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), zij het minder modern en ambitieus.

MAAR ... de ontwerpers van de F-16 Fighting Falcon wisten zowel een uiterst wendbaar clear weather luchtgevecht jager te ontwerpen.  Die ondanks zijn compacte afmetingen toch ook een zeer groot bereik en goede nuttige lading had.  En wist te evolueren tot een waar multi-functioneel gevechtsvliegtuig in de vorm van de F-16C block 40 en hoger en F-16AM/BM (MLU).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/08/2019 | 08:51 uur
Raytheon Delivers 1st Next Gen Jammer Mid-Band Pod for U.S. Navy Testing (t.b.v. EA-18G Growler)

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/08/raytheon-delivers-1st-next-gen-jammer-mid-band-pod-for-u-s-navy-testing/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/08/2019 | 18:23 uur
ANALYSIS: F-35

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-f-35s-next-engine-to-reach-for-more-range-459856/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/08/2019 | 18:43 uur
Citaat van: FlightGlobal op 06/08/2019 | 18:23 uur
ANALYSIS: F-35

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-f-35s-next-engine-to-reach-for-more-range-459856/

Een voordeel is dat de GE XA100 en de P&W XA101 dezelfde grootte hebben en het dus drop-in is. Niet zoals met de F-16C/D met de big mouth (GE) en small mouth (P&W) versies.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 06/08/2019 | 22:13 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 05/08/2019 | 21:02 uur
Bij de Rafale hebben de Fransen gekozen voor de optie om het basis ontwerp (Rafale C) te versterken, neuswiel verlengen, haak toevoegen en het inbouwen van de instapladder. Hierdoor nam het gewicht wel toe met 500 kg.

De kans is heel groot dat ze nu dus ook eerst de ''basis variant'' van de FCAS gaan ontwikkelen en daarna de aanpassingen gaan doorvoeren voor de (Franse) marine variant (natuurlijk wel ook rekening houden in het basis ontwerp met deze plannen).

De andere optie is natuurlijk dat de Duitsers en Spanjaarden straks rondvliegen met toestellen die geschikt zijn voor carrier operaties terwijl ze dit helemaal niet nodig hebben, iets wat Spanje al doet met de F/A-18's. Die optie is ook heel goed mogelijk maar omdat de Franse luchtmacht ook een '''normale variant'' nodig heeft is het nog maar de vraag of het op die manier gaat gebeuren.

De 1e variant is het meest logische omdat dit ook gebeurde bij de Rafale en voor zowel de Franse luchtmacht, Duitsers en Spanjaarden nuttiger is.
Beste man.  De F-15 Eagle en F-18E/F Super Hornet zijn ongeveer even groot en zwaar.  Beide types, beter gezegd beide families (want aanzienlijke verschillen tussen F-15A-D vs F-15E en F-18A-D vs F-18E/F en F-18G) zijn geheel volgens de traditie van de oorspronkelijke ontwerpers  en bouwers McDonnell Douglas zeer robuust gebouwd.

Toch zitten de casco's van beide types verschillend in elkaar.  Zo eist de US Navy dat hun vliegtuigen beschikken over een sterke 'kiel'-constructie, om zodoende de enorme krachten bij vliegdekschip starts en landingen te kunnen doorstaan.

Nou heeft Dassault ook de traditie om haar jachtvliegtuig ontwerpen, bijvoorbeeld de Mirage 2000 en Rafale, net als het vroegere McDonnell Douglas (zeer) robuust uit voeren.
De Rafale C (luchtmacht versie) en Rafale M (Marine) hebben een commonality (gemeenschappelijkheid) van maar liefst 95 %.  Dat is een hoog percentage, maar wel zo prettig voor de ontwikkelingskosten, bouwkosten en logistiek.
En laat beide versies nou nakomelingen zijn van het Rafale A Technology Demonstrator.  Deze Rafale A maakte tijdens haar beproeving ook diverse vliegdekschip landingen.
Jij zegt dat de Rafale M 500 kg zwaarder is dan de Rafale C.  Dat zegt wikipedia ook, maar Dassault zelf verklaarde dat het gewicht verschil 700 kg zou gaan bedragen.

Ergo, ik heb nog nooit een luchtmacht of vlieger horen klagen dat hun vliegtuig(en) te robuust waren geconstrueerd.  Een robuuste kist is niet alleen fijn voor de exploitatie, maar ook handig bij het doorstaan van gevechtsschade of het overleven van een crash.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 06/08/2019 | 22:26 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 06/08/2019 | 22:13 uur
Dat zegt wikipedia ook, maar Dassault zelf verklaarde dat het gewicht verschil 700 kg zou gaan bedragen.

Klopt 100% info van wikipedia dat ga ik niet ontkennen, en of het klopt geen idee. Die 700 kg geloof ik ook en als iemand zegt dat het volgens Dassault 1000 kg geworden is kan het ook zomaar.
De F-35C is ook 2532 kg zwaarder dan de F-35A (wikipedia info).

Citaat van: Poleme op 06/08/2019 | 22:13 uur
Ergo, ik heb nog nooit een luchtmacht of vlieger horen klagen dat hun vliegtuig(en) te robuust waren geconstrueerd.  Een robuuste kist is niet alleen fijn voor de exploitatie, maar ook handig bij het doorstaan van gevechtsschade of het overleven van een crash.

De Duitse luchtmacht gaat niet klagen over het robuust gebouwde toestel maar ze gaan wel klagen als er i.v.m. de hogere kosten van die aanpassingen uiteindelijk minder toestellen gekocht mogen worden omdat de politiek niet te veel wilt uitgeven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/08/2019 | 08:39 uur
F-35 talks to US Army's missile command system, says Lockheed (Air and Missile Defense)

https://www.defensenews.com/land/2019/08/06/f-35-talks-to-army-missile-command-system/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/08/2019 | 08:57 uur
Record-setting first sortie for wing's newest F-35A

CitaatHILL AIR FORCE BASE, Utah -- The 388th Fighter Wing set a speed record for bringing online a newly-delivered aircraft last week, flying a local sortie less than five hours after accepting delivery of its 68th F-35A Lightning II.

Aircraft 5261 left Lockheed Martin's Fort Worth, Texas, production facility a little after 8 a.m. Aug. 1, 2019, landed at Hill AFB at 10 a.m., and by 3 p.m. had taken off on its first combat training mission.

https://www.388fw.acc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1926887/record-setting-first-sortie-for-wings-newest-f-35a/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/08/2019 | 20:41 uur
UK seeks 'flexible' approach to Tempest fighter aircraft partnerships

https://www.janes.com/article/90363/uk-seeks-flexible-approach-to-tempest-fighter-aircraft-partnerships
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/08/2019 | 20:42 uur
BAE Systems exploits synergies between Typhoon and Tempest

https://www.janes.com/article/90364/bae-systems-exploits-synergies-between-typhoon-and-tempest
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/08/2019 | 08:33 uur
BAE nears final Typhoon delivery for UK

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/bae-nears-final-typhoon-delivery-for-uk-460177/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/08/2019 | 08:59 uur
Marine F-35B aircraft complete GAU-22 cannon, ordnance hot reload exercise in Indo-Pacific Region

https://www.blogbeforeflight.net/2019/08/marine-f-35b-aircraft-complete-gau-22-cannon-ordnance-exercise.html

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EpYDBBhLATM/XUz3bCTgJII/AAAAAAAARuI/d-chR59LTHAgJ4HYAbLK3NFOhUjYQkHkACEwYBhgL/s400/Marine_F-35B_test_cannon6.jpg)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-codHJ0YJr8s/XUz3b2hU_HI/AAAAAAAARuM/ivx_3xrTZ1ES9SgGl7oTWCk6ZZEpdIyogCEwYBhgL/s400/Marine_F-35B_test_cannon7.jpg)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/08/2019 | 11:25 uur
Sixth-generation fighters and the future of air supremacy

https://newatlas.com/sixth-generation-fighter-jet/60478/ via @nwtls
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/08/2019 | 08:46 uur
A-10 Rewinging Effort Concludes

http://airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/August%202019/A-10-Rewinging-Effort-Concludes.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/08/2019 | 20:24 uur
MiG-41 project to be completed in 2019

http://airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-defense-security-news/2019-news-aerospace-industry-air-force/august/5335-mig-41-project-to-be-completed-in-2019.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 14/08/2019 | 22:24 uur
Staat daar nu to be completed in 2019?
De Russen geloven het zelf nog niet eens.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 14/08/2019 | 23:42 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 14/08/2019 | 22:24 uur
Staat daar nu to be completed in 2019?
De Russen geloven het zelf nog niet eens.

First flight planned for 2025, het ontwerp maakt gebruik van de ontwerpen van ''Project 7.01'' uit de jaren '90.  Dus ze hebben nu een soviet era ontwerp gemoderniseerd en op die manier bouwen ze vrij snel een 5th / 6th gen toestel maar het blijft als basis jaren '90.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/08/2019 | 08:37 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 14/08/2019 | 21:31 uur
Met die neus lijkt het wel een sci-fi versie van de mig-21.

Alsof dit model rechtstreeks uit de Japanse anime serie Battle Fairy Yukikaze komt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/08/2019 | 08:50 uur
Indonesia receives two more upgraded Su-30s

https://www.janes.com/article/90436/indonesia-receives-two-more-upgraded-su-30s
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/08/2019 | 08:51 uur
Bulgaria makes F-16 payment

https://www.janes.com/article/90460/bulgaria-makes-f-16-payment
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/08/2019 | 08:51 uur
USAFE prepares for F-35

https://www.janes.com/article/90461/usafe-prepares-for-f-35
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/08/2019 | 11:07 uur
Japan to purchase 42 F-35B fighter jets from US

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20190817_01/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/08/2019 | 11:14 uur
USA approvals sale of F-16s to Taiwan (F-16V)

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usa-approvals-sale-of-f-16s-to-taiwan-460337/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/08/2019 | 09:46 uur
US Navy looks to replace or improve F/A-18E/F EO/IR targeting pods

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-navy-looks-to-replace-or-improve-fa-18ef-eoir-460357/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/08/2019 | 08:38 uur
BAE Systems wins work to upgrade F-35's EW suite (op naar Block 4)

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/bae-systems-wins-work-to-upgrade-f-35s-ew-suite-460416/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/08/2019 | 08:59 uur
India moves towards broad adoption of ASRAAM

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/india-moves-towards-broad-adoption-of-asraam-460441/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/08/2019 | 09:16 uur
Boeing Gets New Contract for A-10 Wings (de A-10 gaat naar de jaren 30)

http://airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/August%202019/Boeing-Gets-New-Contract-for-A-10-Wings.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/08/2019 | 09:37 uur
Poland Modernises its Multirole Fighter Fleet

https://euro-sd.com/2019/08/news/14328/poland-modernises-its-multirole-fighter-fleet/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/08/2019 | 08:41 uur
How USAF aims to maintain air superiority in the 2020s.

http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2019/September%202019/USAFs-Dogfight-Power-Curve.aspx

Six Steps to Greater Air Dominance

http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Magazine%20Documents/2019/September%202019/Air%20dominance%20graphic(2).pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/08/2019 | 08:15 uur
First Brazilian Gripen E completes its first flight

Saab today completed a successful first flight with the first Brazilian Gripen E fighter aircraft, 39-6001. At 2.41 pm CET on August 26, the Gripen E aircraft took off on its maiden flight flown by Saab test pilot Richard Ljungberg. The aircraft operated from Saab´s airfield in Linköping, Sweden.

The duration of the flight was 65 minutes and included test points to verify basic handling and flying qualities at different altitudes and speeds. The main purpose was to verify that the aircraft behavior was according to expectations.

"This milestone is a testament to the great partnership between Sweden and Brazil. Less than five years since the contract was signed, the first Brazil Gripen has conducted her first flight," says Håkan Buskhe, President and CEO of Saab.

This aircraft is the first Brazilian production aircraft and will be used in the joint test program as a test aircraft. The main differences compared to the previous test aircraft are that 39-6001 has a totally new cockpit layout, with a large Wide Area Display (WAD), two small Head Down Displays (sHDD) and a new Head Up Display (HUD). Another major difference is an updated flight control system with updated control laws for Gripen E. It also includes modifications both in hardware and software.

"For me as a pilot it has been a great honour to fly the first Brazilian Gripen E aircraft as I know how much this means for the Brazilian Air Force and everyone at Saab and our Brazilian partners. The flight was smooth and the aircraft behaved just as we have seen in the rigs and simulators. This was also the first time we flew with the Wide Area Display in the cockpit, and I am happy to say that my expectations were confirmed," says Saab test pilot Richard Ljungberg.

39-6001 will now join the test programme for further envelope expansion as well as testing of tactical system and sensors.

39-6001 will be designated F-39 in the Brazilian Air Force and will have the tail number 4100.

https://saabgroup.com/media/news-press/news/2019-08/first-brazilian-gripen-e-completes-its-first-flight/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ4AyESjUF8
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/08/2019 | 08:52 uur
China's navy 'set to pick J-20 stealth jets for its next generation carriers'

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3024584/chinas-navy-set-pick-j-20-stealth-jets-its-next-generation
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/08/2019 | 19:11 uur
Airbus pulls out of Canadian fighter-jet competition following complaints

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-airbus-pulls-out-of-fighter-jet-competition-following-complaints-2/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 01/09/2019 | 14:37 uur
India cancels Jaguar upgrade over Honeywell's $2.4B price tag

https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2019/08/26/india-cancels-jaguar-upgrade-over-honeywells-24b-price-tag/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/09/2019 | 14:47 uur
MAKS 2019: RAC MiG unveils export version of MiG-35

https://www.janes.com/article/90785/maks-2019-rac-mig-unveils-export-version-of-mig-35
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/09/2019 | 14:48 uur
MAKS 2019: Russia unveils export variant of Su-57

https://www.janes.com/article/90772/maks-2019-russia-unveils-export-variant-of-su-57
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/09/2019 | 09:08 uur
Sweden's Saab undecided on whether to bid on Canada's fighter-jet contract (deze Canadese soap krijgt nu wel lange tanden  :sick:)

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/09/03/swedens-saab-undecided-on-whether-to-bid-on-canadas-fighter-jet-contract/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/09/2019 | 10:11 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 04/09/2019 | 09:08 uur
Sweden's Saab undecided on whether to bid on Canada's fighter-jet contract (deze Canadese soap krijgt nu wel lange tanden  :sick:)


De uitkomst staat al jaren vast.... ook al wil/kan de Canadese politiek dit zelf nog niet toegeven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/09/2019 | 10:18 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/09/2019 | 10:11 uur
De uitkomst staat al jaren vast.... ook al wil/kan de Canadese politiek dit zelf nog niet toegeven.

Zelfs als Boeing en Saab zich nu terugtrekken, dan geven ze in Ottawa nog niet toe.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/09/2019 | 14:04 uur
1st Next Gen Jammer Mid-Band Pod at NAS Patuxent River for Testing (t.b.v. EA-18G Growler)

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/09/1st-next-gen-jammer-mid-band-pod-at-nas-patuxent-river-for-testing/

(https://www.navalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/1st-Next-Gen-Jammer-Mid-Band-Pod-at-NAS-Patuxent-River-for-Testing-770x410.jpg)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/09/2019 | 19:32 uur
The AIM-9X Sidewinder May Finally Evolve Into A Completely New And Longer-Range Missile

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29158/the-aim-9x-sidewinder-may-finally-evolve-into-a-completely-new-and-longer-range-missile
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/09/2019 | 09:13 uur
Lockheed outlines F-35 production plan for Poland

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-outlines-f-35-production-plan-for-poland-460644/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 05/09/2019 | 16:28 uur
A-10 to receive "aggressive" modernization...did we just learn the results of the A-10 vs F-35 fly off?

https://www.snafu-solomon.com/2019/09/a-10-to-receive-aggressive.html


The A-10 Common Fleet Initiative will keep the aircraft alive and credible into the future. The USAF currently has 281 A-10s, so needs to have these available if the call comes for hig-end conflict. From a survivability perspective, the A-10 can move outside some of the threats if its pilots use standoff weapons from longer ranges. The A-10 can then act as a truck that sends weapons in, softening the target area before swinging into its more traditional mission.

https://combataircraft.keypublishing.com/2019/09/05/the-ultimate-a-10-warthog-set-to-be-transformed-with-a-raft-of-upgrades/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/09/2019 | 17:07 uur
Nou, wat is dan nog het voordeel van de a10.... snap het niet. Ook een f16 kan fungeren als bomb truck. Stuk sneller ook nog.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 05/09/2019 | 17:53 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 05/09/2019 | 17:07 uur
Nou, wat is dan nog het voordeel van de a10.... snap het niet. Ook een f16 kan fungeren als bomb truck. Stuk sneller ook nog.
En die snelheid is ook meteen een nadeel. A10 neemt meer mee, vliegt lager en heeft een betere situational awareness (in de CAS rol).

En een krachtigere BBBRRRRRTTTTT.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/09/2019 | 17:57 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 05/09/2019 | 17:53 uur
En die snelheid is ook meteen een nadeel. A10 neemt meer mee, vliegt lager en heeft een betere situational awareness (in de CAS rol).

En een krachtigere BBBRRRRRTTTTT.

Hele punt is dat die CAS rol totaal niet relevant is als je wapens neemt waardoor je niet meer dichterbij hoeft te komen want dat is namelijk te gevaarlijk geworden voor de a10. Dus laat staan bbrrrrrrrt en situational awereness. Die heb je alleen beide als je dichtbij vliegt.. Wat CAS is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/09/2019 | 18:52 uur
CAS wordt door de USAF met van alles gevlogen. Het hangt niet van de A-10 af. Wel krijgen alle actieve A-10's nieuwe vleugels en wil de USAF ze nu tot in de jaren 30 blijven gebruiken (zie artikel hierover in topic Defensiebegrotingen en -problematiek, niet NL).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 05/09/2019 | 18:55 uur
Ik heb een life fire theaterstuk van brrrrrrrrt mogen meemaken in Afghanistan.
Erg indrukwekkend meer nog dan die 1000 ponder die door een B1 van zeer grote hoogte werd gedropt.
Showing the force is in deze psychologische oorlogsvoering en dan ook zeker in een regulier conflict bruikbaar.
Wel bij afwezigheid van vijandelijke lua en missiles.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/09/2019 | 19:06 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 05/09/2019 | 18:52 uur
CAS wordt door de USAF met van alles gevlogen. Het hangt niet van de A-10 af. Wel krijgen alle actieve A-10's nieuwe vleugels en wil de USAF ze nu tot in de jaren 30 blijven gebruiken (zie artikel hierover in topic Defensiebegrotingen en -problematiek, niet NL).

Je leest het bericht wel? ; )

Het gaat EXPLICIET over de A-10 en instandhouding. En hij wordt langer instandgehouden doordat hij door nieuwe stand off wapens op langere afstand als bomb truck fungeert, en daarmee toegevoegde waarde biedt.

Dan kun je niet meer komen met argumenten als SA, BRRRT, en dergelijke A-10 benefits. Ook het argument dat de VS 'vanalles' gebruikt voor CAS.
Het gaat hier om de A-10, die, niet langer operationeel kan zijn door zijn eigenschappen, zoals snelheid etc.
Ineens nu wel operationeel relevant wordt gehouden door op grotere afstand van doel te kunnen opereren doordat zijn wapensystemen verder reiken.

En dan komen hier mensen met argumenten als SA en BRRRRT.

Hele punt van de A-10 is dat hij juist dichtbij kon komen omdat hij schade kon incasseren met grote payload en SA.  :dead:

Nogmaals, nu is het hele argument om de A-10 in stand te houden verdwenen. Dit kan ook allemaal met een F-16.
Die hele BRRRRT capaciteit is weg want anders had hij deze wapens niet nodig om relevant te blijven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/09/2019 | 19:17 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 05/09/2019 | 19:06 uur
Hele punt van de A-10 is dat hij juist dichtbij kon komen omdat hij schade kon incasseren met grote payload en SA.  :dead:

Nogmaals, nu is het hele argument om de A-10 in stand te houden verdwenen. Dit kan ook allemaal met een F-16.
Die hele BRRRRT capaciteit is weg want anders had hij deze wapens niet nodig om relevant te blijven.

1 van de redenen dat de USAF een aantal jaren geleden af wilde van de A-10 was dat zij bang waren dat het teveel aan het F-35 project zou knagen i.v.m. hoeveelheid vliegers, technici en ander grondpersoneel. Nu blijkt dat dat niet zo erg is dan wat zij dachten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 05/09/2019 | 19:26 uur
@huzaar1
Lees in mijn posting, de laatste zin van het citaat wat ik geplaatst heb.

Daar staat het voordeel en de toegevoegde , meerwaarde van de A10.

The A-10 can then act as a truck that sends weapons in, softening the target area before swinging into its more traditional mission.

.... en daarna gaat de A10 weer functioneren in zijn traditionele rol !
Dus wel gebruik van zijn BBBRRRRRRRT.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 05/09/2019 | 19:33 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 05/09/2019 | 18:55 uur
Ik heb een life fire theaterstuk van brrrrrrrrt mogen meemaken in Afghanistan.
Erg indrukwekkend meer nog dan die 1000 ponder die door een B1 van zeer grote hoogte werd gedropt.
Showing the force is in deze psychologische oorlogsvoering en dan ook zeker in een regulier conflict bruikbaar.
Wel bij afwezigheid van vijandelijke lua en missiles.

En air supriority is een vereiste. Maar goed, bij een regulier conflict heb je last van lua, missiles en andere vliegtuigen....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/09/2019 | 19:58 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 05/09/2019 | 19:26 uur
@huzaar1
Lees in mijn posting, de laatste zin van het citaat wat ik geplaatst heb.

Daar staat het voordeel en de toegevoegde , meerwaarde van de A10.

The A-10 can then act as a truck that sends weapons in, softening the target area before swinging into its more traditional mission.

.... en daarna gaat de A10 weer functioneren in zijn traditionele rol !
Dus wel gebruik van zijn BBBRRRRRRRT.

Maar dat lijkt me dan een suicide mission. Maar toch BRRRT. Wel mooi.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 05/09/2019 | 21:06 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 05/09/2019 | 19:58 uur
Maar dat lijkt me dan een suicide mission. Maar toch BRRRT. Wel mooi.
De A-10 'Warthog' en AH-64 Apache zijn beide ontworpen om te kunnen opereren boven een slagveld waar de SA-8 Gecko ingezet wordt / werd.
Het SA-8 bul was het eerste Sovjet luchtafweer systeem (lua), dat op een en hetzelfde voertuig zowel de (raket)bewapening als de rond zoek-, en vuurleidingsradars heeft.
De A-10 mag dan wel als het ware rondom zijn uit de kluiten gewassen kanon zijn ontworpen.  Z'n primaire wapen is echter de AGM-65 Maverick.
In de Koude Oorlog was het dan ook A-10 doctrine om eerst de lua boven het missie gebied aan te pakken met hoofdzakelijk de Maverick.

  De US Air Force, US Navy, US Marine Corps, RAF en Franse luchtmacht verbruikten toen in totaal 18.127 diverse geleide lucht-grond bommen en raketten
(inclusief Anti  radar Radiation Missiles).  Tijdens de Golfoorlog van '91 lanceerde de Warthog vloot in totaal 4.801 zowel TV als Infra Rood geleide Maverick's.
Dat is  toch 26,49 % van alle ingezette lucht-grond geleide wapens door de deelnemende luchtmachten.

Verhouding van verloren en beschadigde kisten per sortie, van laag naar hoog:
F-117A:            0,0
F-16:                0,0006
F-15E:              0,0009
F-111F:            0,0011
F/A-18:            0,0022
A-10A:             0,0023
B-52:               0,0029
A-6E:               0,0031
Tornado:          0,0076

Gemiddelde dagelijkse sortie generatie, van laag naar hoog:
B-52:            0,6
F-117A:         0,7
F-111F:         0,9
Tornado:        0,9
F-15E:           1,0
A-6E:             1,1
F/A-18:          1,2
F-16:             1,2
A-10:             1,4

Tijdens de Scud Hunt waren maar liefst 20 % van alle dagelijkse A-10 sorties hieraan toegewezen.  Maar dit toestel was niet ontworpen om diep in vijandelijk terrein te opereren op 4 tot 6 uur durende missies.  Tijdens deze Scud Hunt werden dan ook relatief veel A-10 verliezen geleden.
Iraakse krijgsgevangenen verklaarden dat de B-52 en A-10 de meest gevreesde gevechtsvliegtuigen waren.

Dat was natuurlijk ops Desert Storm in 1991.
Maar de A-10C kan nu op grotere afstand doelen aangrijpen, d.m.v. doelaanwijsgondels zoals de Litening.
En waarom niet de huidige Warthog voorzien van de APR-48B, de gecombineerde Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) en Emitter Locator System van de AH-64E Apache en een moderne Self Protection Jammer ?
Dan krijgt de Thunderbolt ook een goede Surpression or Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD of DEAD) mogelijkheid.




Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 05/09/2019 | 22:42 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 05/09/2019 | 21:06 uur
De A-10 'Warthog' en AH-64 Apache zijn beide ontworpen om te kunnen opereren boven een slagveld waar de SA-8 Gecko ingezet wordt / werd.
Het SA-8 bul was het eerste Sovjet luchtafweer systeem (lua), dat op een en hetzelfde voertuig zowel de (raket)bewapening als de rond zoek-, en vuurleidingsradars heeft.
De A-10 mag dan wel als het ware rondom zijn uit de kluiten gewassen kanon zijn ontworpen.  Z'n primaire wapen is echter de AGM-65 Maverick.
In de Koude Oorlog was het dan ook A-10 doctrine om eerst de lua boven het missie gebied aan te pakken met hoofdzakelijk de Maverick.

  De US Air Force, US Navy, US Marine Corps, RAF en Franse luchtmacht verbruikten toen in totaal 18.127 diverse geleide lucht-grond bommen en raketten
(inclusief Anti  radar Radiation Missiles).  Tijdens de Golfoorlog van '91 lanceerde de Warthog vloot in totaal 4.801 zowel TV als Infra Rood geleide Maverick's.
Dat is  toch 26,49 % van alle ingezette lucht-grond geleide wapens door de deelnemende luchtmachten.

Verhouding van verloren en beschadigde kisten per sortie, van laag naar hoog:
F-117A:            0,0
F-16:                0,0006
F-15E:              0,0009
F-111F:            0,0011
F/A-18:            0,0022
A-10A:             0,0023
B-52:               0,0029
A-6E:               0,0031
Tornado:          0,0076

Gemiddelde dagelijkse sortie generatie, van laag naar hoog:
B-52:            0,6
F-117A:         0,7
F-111F:         0,9
Tornado:        0,9
F-15E:           1,0
A-6E:             1,1
F/A-18:          1,2
F-16:             1,2
A-10:             1,4

Tijdens de Scud Hunt waren maar liefst 20 % van alle dagelijkse A-10 sorties hieraan toegewezen.  Maar dit toestel was niet ontworpen om diep in vijandelijk terrein te opereren op 4 tot 6 uur durende missies.  Tijdens deze Scud Hunt werden dan ook relatief veel A-10 verliezen geleden.
Iraakse krijgsgevangenen verklaarden dat de B-52 en A-10 de meest gevreesde gevechtsvliegtuigen waren.

Dat was natuurlijk ops Desert Storm in 1991.
Maar de A-10C kan nu op grotere afstand doelen aangrijpen, d.m.v. doelaanwijsgondels zoals de Litening.
En waarom niet de huidige Warthog voorzien van de APR-48B, de gecombineerde Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) en Emitter Locator System van de AH-64E Apache en een moderne Self Protection Jammer ?
Dan krijgt de Thunderbolt ook een goede Surpression or Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD of DEAD) mogelijkheid.

Nu een A10 een regulier conflict insturen, ongeacht bewapening en jammers, zou hetzelfde zijn als de Renault FT inzetten tegen de huidige Russische tanks...

De A10 is tegenwoordig leuk voor Afghanistan en COIN maar meer moet je er niet meer mee willen.

En oh ja, heb je dit uit Red storm Rising van Tom Clancy?:
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In de Koude Oorlog was het dan ook A-10 doctrine om eerst de lua boven het missie gebied aan te pakken met hoofdzakelijk de Maverick.

De US Air Force, US Navy, US Marine Corps, RAF en Franse luchtmacht verbruikten toen in totaal 18.127 diverse geleide lucht-grond bommen en raketten (inclusief Anti  radar Radiation Missiles).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 06/09/2019 | 11:42 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 06/09/2019 | 11:08 uur
Idem voor Apaches toch?
En laten we eerlijk zijn, vrijwel niks of niemand kan zich nog 'veilig' op het moderne p2p battlefield begeven.
De juiste middelen in de juiste combinatie op het juiste moment inzetten is belangrijker dan ooit. Anderzijds, als de F22 en B2/B21 de speerpunt zijn, gevolgd door een F35/F18E+EA18G zullen die pas weer gevolgd worden door een F16/A10. Je moet gaten die geslagen zijn ook kunnen exploiteren, en daar is ook massa voor nodig. Ben jij als tanker expert in natuurlijk.

Ik denk als ik dat artikel lees dat de grootste meerwaarde van de A10 in twee zaken zit. Namelijk non-peer conflicten, wat toch de meerderheid gaat zijn waarschijnlijk. En bij een peer-conflict is het toestel er nu eenmaal. dwz ze zouden hem nu denk ik niet nieuw bouwen, maar aangezien het toestel er toch al is, is deze upgrade een relatief goedkope manier om massa te behouden.

Ja, wat je zegt kan ik me wel in vinden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 06/09/2019 | 19:12 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 06/09/2019 | 11:08 uur
Idem voor Apaches toch?
En laten we eerlijk zijn, vrijwel niks of niemand kan zich nog 'veilig' op het moderne p2p battlefield begeven.
De juiste middelen in de juiste combinatie op het juiste moment inzetten is belangrijker dan ooit. Anderzijds, als de F22 en B2/B21 de speerpunt zijn, gevolgd door een F35/F18E+EA18G zullen die pas weer gevolgd worden door een F16/A10. Je moet gaten die geslagen zijn ook kunnen exploiteren, en daar is ook massa voor nodig. Ben jij als tanker expert in natuurlijk.

Find, fix, strike, exploit.

Dat laatste wordt vooral gedaan door grondtroepen, daar komt in principe weinig airpower aan te pas. Op het moment dat je de vijand op een bepaald punt dusdanig hebt gesleten moet je daar boots on the ground hebben anders ben je je lokale overwicht meteen weer kwijt.

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Ik denk als ik dat artikel lees dat de grootste meerwaarde van de A10 in twee zaken zit. Namelijk non-peer conflicten, wat toch de meerderheid gaat zijn waarschijnlijk.

Dat dacht men hier ook vanaf begin '90... De gevolgen daarvan kun je dagelijks waarnemen.

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En bij een peer-conflict is het toestel er nu eenmaal. dwz ze zouden hem nu denk ik niet nieuw bouwen, maar aangezien het toestel er toch al is, is deze upgrade een relatief goedkope manier om massa te behouden.

Op het moment dat een A10 redelijk ingezet kan worden bij een regulier conflict is de oorlog al gewonnen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Nikehercules op 06/09/2019 | 19:24 uur
De grootste kwaliteit van de A-10 is dat het platform maar één ding echt kan, en verder niets: CAS. Dit garandeerd de beschikbaarheid van deze capaciteit t.b.v. grondeenheden.

De U.S. Airforce vervangt de A-10 graag door de F-35. Logisch, dat platform biedt die organisatie veel meer flexibiliteit. Zo kan het haar capaciteit in te zetten waar omdat moment de behoefte ligt. Het is alleen maar zeer de vraag of CAS tijdens een groot conflict prioriteit heeft voor de F-35, daarvoor wordt dit platform mogelijk veel te waardevol geacht voor andere missietypen. En zo zouden grondeenheden wel eens slachtoffer kunnen worden van deze flexibiliteit.

De upgrade verbaasd mij niet. Tijdens operaties in het Midden-Oosten werd Air Interdiction vaak gecombineerd met CAS. Dat scheeld simpelweg sorties. Voor een P2P conflict ligt dat wat anders. In het artikel wordt standoff als reden achter de GBU-39 genoemd. Nadeel van dit wapen is dat, door een gebrek aan aandrijving, vlieghoogte essentieel is voor een standoff van betekenis. En dat is natuurlijk wel een handicap.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Nikehercules op 06/09/2019 | 19:36 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 06/09/2019 | 19:12 uur
Op het moment dat een A10 redelijk ingezet kan worden bij een regulier conflict is de oorlog al gewonnen.

En dat zelfde geldt voor vrijwel alle middelen die aan het front ingezet worden. De vraag is ook niet zozeer of je ze gaat verliezen, maar wanneer. En toch zou juist de synergie tussen lucht- en grondgebonden vuursteun wel eens key kunnen blijken om bijv Russische (artillerie) eenheden in de diepte aan te grijpen. Bedenk ook dat de Russische army organic air defense voor een belangrijk deel nog uit legacy systemen bestaat zoals de 2S6 en zelfs nog de ZSU-23-4.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 06/09/2019 | 20:15 uur
Citaat van: Nikehercules op 06/09/2019 | 19:36 uur
En dat zelfde geldt voor vrijwel alle middelen die aan het front ingezet worden. De vraag is ook niet zozeer of je ze gaat verliezen, maar wanneer. En toch zou juist de synergie tussen lucht- en grondgebonden vuursteun wel eens key kunnen blijken om bijv Russische (artillerie) eenheden in de diepte aan te grijpen. Bedenk ook dat de Russische army organic air defense voor een belangrijk deel nog uit legacy systemen bestaat zoals de 2S6 en zelfs nog de ZSU-23-4.

Vergeet de Pantsir, SA-13, SA-8, manpads en alles niet. Anyway, dat soort systemen dwingen je air assets wel meteen de hoogte in waardoor ze direct in binnen bereik zijn van de grotere jongens zoals de SA-10, 12, 20 etc. Zie hier het gelaagde luchtverdediging concept zoals wij dat vroeger ook hadden met de TRIADS. Maar gezien je gebruikersnaam hoef ik jou dat niet uit te leggen.  ;)

De Russische ehdn in de diepte aangrijpen kun je het beste regelen met CM's danwel LRAR. En anders air to ground stand off weapons maar dat is iets wat de A10 weer niet kan leveren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/09/2019 | 21:31 uur
Citaat van: Nikehercules op 06/09/2019 | 19:24 uur
De U.S. Airforce vervangt de A-10 graag door de F-35. Logisch, dat platform biedt die organisatie veel meer flexibiliteit. Zo kan het haar capaciteit in te zetten waar omdat moment de behoefte ligt. Het is alleen maar zeer de vraag of CAS tijdens een groot conflict prioriteit heeft voor de F-35, daarvoor wordt dit platform mogelijk veel te waardevol geacht voor andere missietypen. En zo zouden grondeenheden wel eens slachtoffer kunnen worden van deze flexibiliteit.

Dit geldt misschien voor USAF/ANG, maar bij USMC wordt het straks de primaire CAS fast jet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 06/09/2019 | 21:49 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 06/09/2019 | 20:37 uur
Zie post van Nikehercules.
En nogmaals, het gaat dus om de juiste mix van de juiste middelen. Het gaat niet om solo tourtjes.
De afweging om iets aan te schaffen is natuurlijk een andere dan de afweging om iets af te schaffen.

Dat begrijp ik maar we moeten hier niet net gaan doen alsof de A10 eoa ei van Columbus is. En ja, ook ik heb de A10 meedere malen live zien vuren met het boordkanon en ja dat is indrukwekkend. En ja, de A10 heeft een hoog stoerheidsgehalte met een enorm imago waar een enorm geromantiseerd beeld van bestaat.

Het is wmb een beetje hetzelfde als de discussies die we hier in de Afghanistan hoogtijdagen gehad hebben over de super Tucano's en de Bronco's... Want dat was je van het in het irreguliere conflict. We zijn ondertussen 10 jaar verder en kijk waar we staan. Opschalen met een prutstoestel is een probleem terwijl downscalen met een capabele kist geen enkel probleem is. Kijk in het verlengde hiervan maar naar de OPV's. Nu moeten alle zeilen bijgezet worden om bestaansrecht te verzinnen voor die opgewaardeerde slepers.

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Ik neem maar even aan dat je aan de 'peacekeeping armies' refereert. Deze zijn m.i. het gevolg van slecht beleid en planning.
Dat maakt de eerdere stelling echter niet minder waar. Een militair conflict met Rusland en/of China is absoluut het meest gevaarlijke. Daarom moeten we daar klaar voor zijn. Echter, net als tijdens de koude oorlog, is het zéér waarschijnlijk dat we in kleinschalige politiek-complexe (ipv militair complexe) en langdurige inzetten verzeild raken. Het is niet of/of, het is en/en.

Nee, geen "peacekeeping armies" alleen... Insurgency werd de waarheid.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Nikehercules op 06/09/2019 | 23:39 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 06/09/2019 | 20:15 uur
Vergeet de Pantsir, SA-13, SA-8, manpads en alles niet.

Eens. Rusland is op dit vlak een geduchte tegenstander die het concept van gelaagde luchtverdediging tot in de perfectie uitvoert. Toch moeten we onze ogen niet sluiten voor de mindere kanten. Zo blijft de flot vooral het domein van de legacy systemen en gaat de modernisering langzaam. De systemen die je noemt zijn generatiegenoten van de A-10. De Pantsir wordt niet in deze rol ingezet en zullen we vooraan niet tegenkomen. Daarnaast zijn de hoogtes waarop CAS effectief is niet bijzonder geschikt om stealth uit te buiten door alle optics op de genoemde systemen.

Hoe dan ook is het geen permissive enviroment voor CAS platformen, maar dat is het ook niet voor infanterie en tanks. De verliezen zullen groot zijn.

Citaat van: A.J. op 06/09/2019 | 20:15 uur
Zie hier het gelaagde luchtverdediging concept zoals wij dat vroeger ook hadden met de TRIADS. Maar gezien je gebruikersnaam hoef ik jou dat niet uit te leggen.  ;)
Haha, die gebruikersnaam is volstrekt willekeurig, dus hecht daar niet te veel waarde aan;)

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De Russische ehdn in de diepte aangrijpen kun je het beste regelen met CM's danwel LRAR. En anders air to ground stand off weapons maar dat is iets wat de A10 weer niet kan leveren.
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Beide zijn maar in zeer beperkte mate aanwezig, zeker als je dat afzet tegen de aantallen potentiele doelen. Verder zijn CM's mindergeschikt voor doelen met een mobiel karakter, al is het maar omdat de besluitvorming daar veel te langzaam voor is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Nikehercules op 06/09/2019 | 23:56 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 06/09/2019 | 21:49 uur
Opschalen met een prutstoestel is een probleem terwijl downscalen met een capabele kist geen enkel probleem is.

Technisch gezien niet, doctrinair gezien wel. Waar de A-10 defacto toegewezen was aan het grondgevecht is dat met de F-35 veel minder het geval. Die AESA, andere sensoren en stealth zijn -vrees ik- veel te hard nodig voor AI, DCA, OCA, SEAD enz.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 07/09/2019 | 02:23 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 05/09/2019 | 22:42 uur
Nu een A10 een regulier conflict insturen, ongeacht bewapening en jammers, zou hetzelfde zijn als de Renault FT inzetten tegen de huidige Russische tanks...

De A10 is tegenwoordig leuk voor Afghanistan en COIN maar meer moet je er niet meer mee willen.

En oh ja, heb je dit uit Red storm Rising van Tom Clancy?:
"In de Koude Oorlog was het dan ook A-10 doctrine om eerst de lua boven het missie gebied aan te pakken met hoofdzakelijk de Maverick.

De US Air Force, US Navy, US Marine Corps, RAF en Franse luchtmacht verbruikten toen in totaal 18.127 diverse geleide lucht-grond bommen en raketten (inclusief Anti  radar Radiation Missiles). 26,49 % hiervan werd gelanceerd door A-10A's."
Diverse luchtmachten, o.a. de USAF en Griekse en Israelische luchtnacht, hebben vele jaren geleden al verklaard dat ze hun 'teen fighters' vloten nooit volledig kunnen vervangen door (voornamelijk) de F-35 familie.  Dit type is gewoonweg te duur om er voldoende aantallen van aan te kunnen schaffen.
Daarnaast is het ook riskant om een heel groot deel van de NAVO luchtvloot te laten bestaan uit 1 type.  Welke ook nog eens, net als de B-1B Lancer, door overlapping van ontwikkeling en productie fase ("concurrency") een onbetrouwbaar product wordt.
Dus blijft men het beste deel van de 'teen fighters' vloot, zoals de F-15C/D, F-15E, F-16C/D, F-18E/F. F-18G en A-10C overhalen en moderniseren als aanvulling en ondersteuning op F-35 familie, F-22A, kruisvluchtwapens, B-2A Spirit en B-21.

Red Storm Rising van Tom Clancy zegt mij helemaal niets.
(Ken)getallen zoals totaal aantal geleide lucht-grond wapens in Desert Storm, sortie generatie verhoudingen, etcetera komen van de US Air Force.

En ja A.J., tijdens een grote NAVO oefening in West-Duitsland, in een tijd dat jij nog je puistjes uitkneep voor de spiegel.  Zag ik een A-10 een duik aanval maken op een Nederlandse Leopard 1.  Ik vroeg waar de PRTL's waren, vervolgens vertelde KL militairen dat daarvoor al hun 'Pruttel' uitgeschakeld was door een A-10 'warthog'.
De KL-ers vertelden dat de Warthog vliegers de vijandelijke lua als prio 1 zagen.

1979:
The difficulty of dealing with the Soviet ground air defenses and providing close air support has been
recognized by Commander-in-Chief of United States in Europe (CINCUSAFE).  In addressing the problem of defense
suppression, CINCUSAFE has concluded that a TRIAD of the EF-111A electronic warfare aircraft, the F-4G Wild Weasel aircraft,
and the A-10 attack aircraft is required to form he backbone of NATO's defense suppression, and permit the
penetration of aircraft to accomplish close air support and interdiction.  The F-4G Wild Weasel would detect, identify, locate and suppress or destroy ground-air
defense control radars.  The EF-111A would stand-off along the FEBA and jam enemy air defense radars.
The A-10 would provide the weapons to destroy the air defense weapon systems.

De Russen en Chinezen hebben sindsdien qua lua echter totaal niet stil gezeten. Ze analyseren ons optreden en technische mogelijkheden, bijvoorbeeld ontwikkelingen in Precisie Geleide Munitie's, zeer goed.  En kwamen en komen dan ook met effectieve antwoorden. 
Ik verwonder mij overigens regelmatig dat wij onze grond-gebonden luchtafweer zowel qua capaciteit (kwantiteit) als vaardigheden (kwaliteit) enorm verwaarloost hebben.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 07/09/2019 | 04:45 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 07/09/2019 | 02:23 uur
Diverse luchtmachten, o.a. de USAF en Griekse en Israelische luchtnacht, hebben vele jaren geleden al verklaard dat ze hun 'teen fighters' vloten nooit volledig kunnen vervangen door (voornamelijk) de F-35 familie.  Dit type is gewoonweg te duur om er voldoende aantallen van aan te kunnen schaffen.
Daarnaast is het ook riskant om een heel groot deel van de NAVO luchtvloot te laten bestaan uit 1 type.  Welke ook nog eens, net als de B-1B Lancer, door overlapping van ontwikkeling en productie fase ("concurrency") een onbetrouwbaar product wordt.

Ik geloof ook niet dat ik dat ergens stel. Ik zeg dat de A10 niet meer geschikt is voor het reguliere conflict.

Citaat
Red Storm Rising van Tom Clancy zegt mij helemaal niets.
(Ken)getallen zoals totaal aantal geleide lucht-grond wapens in Desert Storm, sortie generatie verhoudingen, etcetera komen van de US Air Force.

Lees eens goed wat je zelf schreef. Jij hebt het zo opgeschreven dat dat getal slaat op de ingezette bewapening tijdens de koude oorlog daarom mijn opmerking.

Red Storm Rising is wel een aanrader trouwens.

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En ja A.J., tijdens een grote NAVO oefening in West-Duitsland, in een tijd dat jij nog je puistjes uitkneep voor de spiegel.

Noem een lichting en laat me lachen.

Citaat
Zag ik een A-10 een duik aanval maken op een Nederlandse Leopard 1.  Ik vroeg waar de PRTL's waren, vervolgens vertelde KL militairen dat daarvoor al hun 'Pruttel' uitgeschakeld was door een A-10 'warthog'.
De KL-ers vertelden dat de Warthog vliegers de vijandelijke lua als prio 1 zagen.

Andersom ook... Maar altijd leuk dat dat zo gesteld kan worden tijdens oefeningen waar het een beetje aan de waan van de observer (meestal iemand met 0 kennis van luverd) ligt wie er "gewonnen" heeft. Het wordt veel interessanter in oefengebieden zoals Hohenfels waar het daadwerkelijke resultaat gemonitord, geregistreerd en bijgehouden wordt. Daar kwamen de Amerikaanse vliegers erachter dat ze toch niet zo onkwetsbaar waren als ze dachten. Zeker het gebruik van de Ka radar (8 mm) en het verbonden optreden (pelotons) van de pruttels en stingers konden ze niet counteren. Doppler nul vliegen op 1 stuk lukt nog wel maar dat er nog minstens 2 anderen staan waren ze ff vergeten. Ook de RWR's sloegen niet aan op de optische middelen en 8mm radars waar wij zoveel mogelijk in werkten en de ECM middelen waren ook niet gemaakt voor die frequentie...  Dat waren voor sommigen altijd verhelderende AARs ondersteund met videobeelden, Miles en registratie. Maar goed dat was pak hem beet 25/30 jaar geleden en de A10 is niet wezenlijk veranderd maar de luverd wel.

Daarbij, wie vertelde jou dat de pruttels uitgeschakeld waren tijdens die oefening?

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Ik verwonder mij overigens regelmatig dat wij onze grond-gebonden luchtafweer zowel qua capaciteit (kwantiteit) als vaardigheden (kwaliteit) enorm verwaarloost hebben.

Dat is een heel ander verhaal.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 07/09/2019 | 04:50 uur
Citaat van: Nikehercules op 06/09/2019 | 23:56 uur
Technisch gezien niet, doctrinair gezien wel. Waar de A-10 defacto toegewezen was aan het grondgevecht is dat met de F-35 veel minder het geval. Die AESA, andere sensoren en stealth zijn -vrees ik- veel te hard nodig voor AI, DCA, OCA, SEAD enz.

Dat is een centenkwestie, niks meer niks minder. Het had een reden dat Nederland 85 F35's wilde.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 07/09/2019 | 08:54 uur
Tankchat van bovington museum heeft een NL PRTL in hun video. Informatief, maar welke Nederlander ze heeft verteld dat ze PRTL heetten door het geluid wat ze maakten.. 😏is een pannenkoek. De herkomst van Cheetah hebben ze wel weer goed.

NL gaat lasers ontwikkelen. Dit doen we i.s.m de Duitsers. Module voor boxer hoogstwaarschijnlijk. Maar volgens mij wordt dit niet het dedicated manoeuvre vtg dat is benodigd voor de luverdet van een HIB.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 07/09/2019 | 11:29 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 07/09/2019 | 08:54 uur
Tankchat van bovington museum heeft een NL PRTL in hun video. Informatief, maar welke Nederlander ze heeft verteld dat ze PRTL heetten door het geluid wat ze maakten.. 😏is een pannenkoek. De herkomst van Cheetah hebben ze wel weer goed.

Er kloppen wel wat meer details niet in dat verhaal maar goed voor niet insiders is het niet zo storend. Anyway de naam Cheetah komt ook niet door het verhaal wat hij vertelt over "C Company"... Dat kenden we bij de Lua helemaal niet, wij hadden genummerde luagroepen, afdelingen, batterijen en pelotons. De namen die erop stonden waren van het enkele stuk, A, B en C stuk, dat had te maken met de drie verschillende frequentiebanken om onderlinge interferentie tegen te gaan, soms had je daar een probleem mee als je ging optreden met een andere batterij. Dat was iets om rekening mee te houden in de planning. Je had dus een A, B en C stuk vwb frequenties. Sommige btn lieten hun bediening een naam verzinnen voor het stuk en dat moest dan wel beginnen met de desbestreffende letter, je had bv. de Abbacus, Banshee, Chaos, Chief, Barbara en weet ik het. Maar niet elke batterij deed dat, bij 11 was het bv niet toegestaan.

De naam "Cheetah" is destijds gewoon gegeven aan het allereerste (prototype) systeem (te zien in het NMM te Soesterberg), net zoals de tanks Leopard als naam kregen. Echter door de benaming PRTL werd het eigenlijk vrij snel Pruttel en dat is helaas zo gebleven. Pas bij de invoering van de PRTL GWI werd dat verhaal weer rechtgetrokken en werd de PRTL weer Cheetah genoemd.

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NL gaat lasers ontwikkelen. Dit doen we i.s.m de Duitsers. Module voor boxer hoogstwaarschijnlijk. Maar volgens mij wordt dit niet het dedicated manoeuvre vtg dat is benodigd voor de luverdet van een HIB.

Ik bemoei me niet meer zo met die ontwikkelingen dus ik ga het wel zien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 07/09/2019 | 11:55 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 07/09/2019 | 02:23 uur
1979:
The difficulty of dealing with the Soviet ground air defenses and providing close air support has been
recognized by Commander-in-Chief of United States in Europe (CINCUSAFE).  In addressing the problem of defense
suppression, CINCUSAFE has concluded that a TRIAD of the EF-111A electronic warfare aircraft, the F-4G Wild Weasel aircraft,
and the A-10 attack aircraft is required to form he backbone of NATO's defense suppression, and permit the
penetration of aircraft to accomplish close air support and interdiction.  The F-4G Wild Weasel would detect, identify, locate and suppress or destroy ground-air
defense control radars.  The EF-111A would stand-off along the FEBA and jam enemy air defense radars.
The A-10 would provide the weapons to destroy the air defense weapon systems.

Het zou je trouwens sieren om een keer te gaan beginnen met bronvermeldingen, jij hebt er een handje van om een lap tekst te kopieren zonder dat daar een bronvermelding bij staat terwijl je uit alles merkt dat het ofwel rechtstreeks gekopieerd is of je hebt het min of meer in eigen woorden herschreven.

Anyway, bovenstaand verhaal komt uit: The supression of enemy airdefence within twenty kilometers of the forward edge of the battle area (https://ia800801.us.archive.org/18/items/DTIC_ADA076928/DTIC_ADA076928.pdf) en is een thesis van USAF major McCoy uit 1979 en gaat over het gebrek aan EW middelen tegen de Russische AD waardoor SEAD een onmogelijke opgave is en CAS al helemaal niet uit te voeren is. Jij bent weer selectief aan het kopieren geweest, lees vooral ff verder op blz. 74.

Kortgezegd komt het erop neer dat deze majoor er in 1979(!) al achter was dat de A10 feitelijk kansloos was tegen de toenmalige Russische AD middelen...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 07/09/2019 | 12:06 uur
Interessante press release van KMW welke het dicterende vermogen van de NAVO verduidelijkt. Duitsers ( en NL ) is complient hieraan, zie de beoogde inbreng.

https://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/media/editor_media/rm_defence/publicrelations/pressemitteilungen/2018/2018_06_11_rheinmetall_eurosatory/englisch_1/2018-06-11_Rheinmetall_Eurosatory_Oerlikon_Skyranger_Boxer_en.pdf

En dit artikel hoort eigelijk ook meer thuis in een luverdet topic, maar omschrijft de situatie tussen NL en DU.

https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/osw-commentary/2018-05-17/rebuilding-germanys-air-defence-capabilities-eve-crucial
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 07/09/2019 | 13:58 uur
M's niet in te zetten? Tegen een speler als Iran moet dat wel lukken lijkt me?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 07/09/2019 | 15:08 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 07/09/2019 | 12:14 uur
Correct, dat is het hele punt.
Natuurlijk heb je liever alleen maar het nieuwste van het nieuwste, en in grote getale. De realiteit is dat niemand dat kan betalen. Dat is een nadeel, want wij krijgen niet wat we willen. Maar het is ook een voordeel, onze verouderde systemen zullen op welk slagveld dan ook een hoop generatie genoten tegenkomen. De USAF heeft voorlopig ook zijn F35's niet binnen in de gewenste aantallen. Daarnaast, we hebben het over 'tot in de jaren '30'. Dat is nog ruim tien jaar. Het is niet alsof ze er tot in de eeuwigheid mee door willen vliegen.

Edit: Idem voor NL. Wij hebben ook materieel dat we niet meer verantwoord kunnen inzetten. De F16's of de M-fregatten. Maar op dit moment is het nu eenmaal wat we hebben.

Dat snap ik, Rumsfeld zei ooit: "You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

Je hebt het te doen met de middelen die je hebt niet die je zou willen hebben. Maar dat neemt niet weg dat je moet blijven innoveren en dat betekent ook dat je afscheid neemt van obsolete materiaal, hoe mooi, fantastisch, goed het initieel ook was.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 08/09/2019 | 21:49 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 07/09/2019 | 15:08 uur
Dat snap ik, Rumsfeld zei ooit: "You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

Je hebt het te doen met de middelen die je hebt niet die je zou willen hebben. Maar dat neemt niet weg dat je moet blijven innoveren en dat betekent ook dat je afscheid neemt van obsolete materiaal, hoe mooi, fantastisch, goed het initieel ook was.

Prachtige quote, ik roep ook al langer dat we niet perse die hoogtechnologische lijn overal hoeven te volgen, of in elk subsysteem dienen te integreren, we worden veel te afhankelijk van hele dure technologie. als je kijkt naar dat VOSS. Je bent straks een lopende smartphone.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/09/2019 | 08:45 uur
Finland announces HX Challenge event for bidders

https://www.janes.com/article/90915/finland-announces-hx-challenge-event-for-bidders
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/09/2019 | 09:01 uur
DSEI 2019: RAF teases Tempest partnership announcement

9th September 2019 - 12:05 GMT | by Tim Martin in London

Amid growing interest in which nations will be added to future European fighter programmes – the Royal Air Force (RAF) has hinted that a new partner will be added to its Tempest effort during DSEI 2019 in London.

A year of talks saw Sweden join Tempest, by way of an MoU signed in July, but asked if similar, lengthy negotiation timeframes can be accelerated, Air Cdre Daniel Storr, head of combat air acquisition, at the RAF, told Shephard to 'wait and see' what happens in the coming days – a hint that a new partner announcement could potentially be in the offing.

Italy and Japan are known to be leading candidates being considered.

Prospective partners are not being judged solely on the basis of their track record of producing fighter jet aircraft alone, as each new agreement can be approved on the strength of a particular area of industrial or technological expertise, according to Storr.

With an IOC target of 2035 for Tempest, the RAF Eurofighter Typhoon will remain operational in the interim, but whether the transition between the two equates to a like-for-like fleet replacement, is still to be determined, he confirmed.

Storr also made clear that underpinning the development of Tempest is a recognition of adversaries increasing 'fifth generation fighter capabilities, missile systems and proliferation of [those] systems,' - a context that combined with enemy A2/AD capabilities, could reduce stand-off surveillance capabilities of the UK and its allies.

At a strategic level, three key areas are being explored by the RAF to support how Tempest evolves: Tier 1 or expendable assets; Tier 2 attributable assets and Tier 3 survivable assets – a move that looks to address design trade-offs for the programme's main combat air vehicle, by leveraging additive capabilities to add, for example, a more lethal array of weapons.

'We envisage that the next generation combat air system will be a data rich, networked system, with a central combat air vehicle, at its core, potentially controlling semi-autonomous, additive capabilities,' Storr explained.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/dsei-2019-uk-source-optimal-number-tempest-nationa/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 10/09/2019 | 10:11 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 08/09/2019 | 21:49 uur
Prachtige quote, ik roep ook al langer dat we niet perse die hoogtechnologische lijn overal hoeven te volgen, of in elk subsysteem dienen te integreren, we worden veel te afhankelijk van hele dure technologie. als je kijkt naar dat VOSS. Je bent straks een lopende smartphone.

Dat is nu al zo, pak de gemiddelde militair zijn smartwatch, -phone, GPS, Google Maps, kompas en dat soort gelul af, geef ze een papieren stafkaart en ze zijn na een kilometer verplaatsen al hopeloos verdwaald.

Nmm is er door DMO ook nooit voldoende nagedacht over alternatieven vwb GPS, GPS is relatief eenvoudig te jammen danwel compleet weg te storen en dan staat iedereen dom te kijken met hun BMS en alles wat daarvan afhankelijk is. Alternatieven zoals INS/ VNA/ gyrotol systemen die niet afhankelijk zijn van externe input en stand-alone draaien bestaan niet meer. Men is compleet afhankelijk van GPS geworden en niet alleen vwb positiebepaling, wat denk je wat er gebeurt als je alle tijd (GPS tijd) ontregelt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 10/09/2019 | 10:47 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 10/09/2019 | 09:01 uur
DSEI 2019: RAF teases Tempest partnership announcement


Italy chooses TEMPEST
According to RID, rumors confirmed this morning on the "Press" of Italy's entry into the TEMPEST new-generation fighter program are confirmed. On 11 September, at the DSEI show in London, there should have been a signature on the accession agreement, but the change of Government and of the Minister of Defense should presumably shift the signature later. The road, however, seems to have been drawn and the new Government would have no interest in going back over a choice already made and given a dossier that we find to be defined in detail.

Source: portaledifesa.it/index~phppag,3_id,3197.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/09/2019 | 14:19 uur
The F-35A Is Set To Finally Get Chaff Countermeasures To Confuse Enemy Radars (ARM-210 Chaff)

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29734/the-f-35a-will-finally-get-chaff-countermeasures-to-confuse-enemy-radars-next-year
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 10/09/2019 | 19:06 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 10/09/2019 | 10:47 uur

Italy chooses TEMPEST
According to RID, rumors confirmed this morning on the "Press" of Italy's entry into the TEMPEST new-generation fighter program are confirmed. On 11 September, at the DSEI show in London, there should have been a signature on the accession agreement, but the change of Government and of the Minister of Defense should presumably shift the signature later. The road, however, seems to have been drawn and the new Government would have no interest in going back over a choice already made and given a dossier that we find to be defined in detail.

Source: portaledifesa.it/index~phppag,3_id,3197.html

Dit was ook wel logisch en te verwachten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/09/2019 | 18:44 uur
Andrew Clevenger‏Geverifieerd account @andclev · 20 min20 minuten geleden 

INBOX: State Dept OKs sale of 32 F-35As to Poland for $6.5 billion. @LockheedMartin prime contractor. #FMS #ForeignMilitarySales

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/09/2019 | 08:38 uur
MBDA working on new SPEAR-EW electronic warfare weapon

https://www.mbda-systems.com/press-releases/17630/

(https://www.mbda-systems.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/SPEAR-EW-%C2%A9-MBDA-300x212.jpg)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/09/2019 | 09:01 uur
MBDA offers insight into ongoing results of Team Tempest work

https://www.mbda-systems.com/press-releases/mbda-offers-insight-into-ongoing-results-of-team-tempest-work/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/09/2019 | 09:26 uur
The F-35: Lethal. Survivable. Connected.  (nieuwste commercial)

https://www.f35.com/news/detail/the-f-35-lethal.-survivable.-connected

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/09/2019 | 15:49 uur
DSEI 2019: SEAD indecision puts pressure on USAF F-16 fleet

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/dsei-2019-sead-struggle-and-indecision-puts-pressu/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/09/2019 | 08:45 uur
VIDEO: LCA Navy makes first arrested landing

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/video-lca-navy-makes-first-arrested-landing-460876/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/09/2019 | 18:50 uur
Raytheon Unveils New Air-to-Air Missile

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/September%202019/Raytheon-Unveils-New-Air-to-Air-Missile.aspx

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.airforcemag.com%2FFeatures%2FPublishingImages%2F2019%2FSeptember%25202019%2F09162019%2520Raytheon%2520with%2520border.jpg&hash=02670a370595fb214f2ffdcc59f598d7cc34481b)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 17/09/2019 | 03:45 uur
51 F-117 Nighthawk Stealth Jets Remain In Inventory, None Destroyed Since 2008 (Updated)
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29606/51-f-117-nighthawk-stealth-jets-remain-in-inventory-only-one-destroyed-in-last-two-years
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/09/2019 | 09:02 uur
Vermont Air Guard to receive first 2 F-35s this week

https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/Vermont-Air-Guard-to-receive-first-2-F-35s-this-14442828.php
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/09/2019 | 10:18 uur
The US Air Force's radical plan for a future fighter could field a jet in 5 years

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/2019/09/16/the-us-air-forces-radical-plan-for-a-future-fighter-could-field-a-jet-in-5-years/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/09/2019 | 11:19 uur
AFA 2019: US Air Force will maintain F-35 buy as it pursues Digital Century Series

https://www.janes.com/article/91350/afa-2019-us-air-force-will-maintain-f-35-buy-as-it-pursues-digital-century-series
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/09/2019 | 13:50 uur
Construction of F35 facilities progressing at RAF Lakenheath

CitaatWe are proud to be playing a central role in preparing RAF Lakenheath to become the first permanent international site for US Air Force F-35s in Europe.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/construction-of-f35-facilities-progressing-at-raf-lakenheath

Dan blijft voor USAFE de bases Spangdahlem AB (52nd Fighter Wing) en Aviano AB (31st Fighter Wing) over.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/09/2019 | 15:00 uur
Lockheed Martin Continues Advanced EOTS Development

https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2019-09-17-Lockheed-Martin-Continues-Advanced-EOTS-Development
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/09/2019 | 08:50 uur
New jets being considered at Kadena air base (F-35A voor de 18th Wing?)

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20190919_20/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/09/2019 | 09:05 uur
Air National Guard Receives its First Two F-35 Aircraft (F-35A nu in dienst bij USAF, AFRes en ANG)

https://www.f35.com/news/detail/air-national-guard-receives-its-first-two-f-35-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/09/2019 | 11:20 uur
Government likely to order 36 more Rafale fighter jets    ...  :silent:  India wil misschien nog extra Rafale's kopen ! ?

Read more at:
//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/71243729.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 23/09/2019 | 11:36 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 23/09/2019 | 11:20 uur
Government likely to order 36 more Rafale fighter jets    ...  :silent:  India wil misschien nog extra Rafale's kopen ! ?

Read more at:
//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/71243729.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Dat zal wel te maken hebben dat de kosten van een motoren upgrade van de SEPECAT Jaguar te duur is en daardoor kijkt men naar nieuwe fighters.

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/25309/India_To_Axe_Jaguar_Engine_Upgrade__Could_Buy_Additional_Su_30MKI_Jets#.XYiQ3kYzaUk

https://fighterjetsworld.com/air/indian-air-force-to-phase-out-sepecat-jaguar-fleet-from-2023-as-engine-upgrade-plans-fail/17410/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/09/2019 | 11:45 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 23/09/2019 | 11:36 uur
Dat zal wel te maken hebben dat de kosten van een motoren upgrade van de SEPECAT Jaguar te duur is en daardoor kijkt men naar nieuwe fighters.

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/25309/India_To_Axe_Jaguar_Engine_Upgrade__Could_Buy_Additional_Su_30MKI_Jets#.XYiQ3kYzaUk

Gedeeltelijk en er was altijd al een optie voor extra Rafales bovenop de order van de eerste 36 stuks. Het is dat er in India zo lang wordt gewacht met knopen doorhakken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 24/09/2019 | 08:44 uur
German defense minister wants quick decision on Tornado replacement

German Defense Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer on Monday said she aimed to decide as soon as possible next year how to replace Germany's aging fleet of Tornado fighter jets to prevent a lapse in Germany's ability to carry out missions for NATO.

Kramp-Karrenbauer, leader of Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats, said she discussed the issue with U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper during her first official visit to Washington since taking on her new role as defense minister.

Germany in January decided to pick either the Eurofighter - built by Airbus, Britain's BAE Systems and Italy's Leonardo SpA - or Boeing Co's F/A-18 fighter, dropping Lockheed Martin's F-35 fighter out of a tender worth billions of euros.

However neither the F/A-18 nor the Eurofighter is currently certified to carry U.S. nuclear weapons, as required under Germany's obligations to NATO. Germany is asking Washington to spell out what it will take to get those aircraft certified.

"My goal is that we make clear decisions as quickly as possible next year, so there is no time period in which there is no reasonable solution for replacing the Tornado fleet," Kramp-Karrenbauer told reporters.

She said she would work closely with Esper on the issue in coming months. But experts say it could take years to get the new planes certified to carry nuclear weapons, and the cost of maintaining the current aircraft is rising rapidly.

Kramp-Karrenbauer said she also had a frank discussion with Esper about Germany's rejection of the F-35 as a possible replacement for the Tornado jets, given concerns that it could impede work on a Franco-German next-generation combat jet.

"We made clear that ... the Future Combat Air System with the French was one of the reasons that ... we had to seek other solutions," she said, when asked if she ruled out taking another look at the F-35.

Lockheed officials had hoped that Germany could reconsider its decision after the departure of former Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen.

The German defense ministry in April estimated it would cost nearly 9 billion euros to keep its 93 Tornado jets, which first entered service in 1983, flying until 2030.

Of Germany's Tornado jets, 85 are operated by the Luftwaffe, or air force but not all are equipped to carry nuclear weapons. The remaining planes are used for training.

https://www.reuters.com/article/germany-military/german-defense-minister-wants-quick-decision-on-tornado-replacement-idUSL2N26E1ED
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/09/2019 | 09:42 uur
Citaat van: Reuters op 24/09/2019 | 08:44 uur
German defense minister wants quick decision on Tornado replacement

.../...

Kramp-Karrenbauer said she also had a frank discussion with Esper about Germany's rejection of the F-35 as a possible replacement for the Tornado jets, given concerns that it could impede work on a Franco-German next-generation combat jet.

"We made clear that ... the Future Combat Air System with the French was one of the reasons that ... we had to seek other solutions," she said, when asked if she ruled out taking another look at the F-35.

.../...

https://www.reuters.com/article/germany-military/german-defense-minister-wants-quick-decision-on-tornado-replacement-idUSL2N26E1ED

Duitsland zal toch echt de knip moeten trekken, want de Tornado IDS/ECR heeft niet het eeuwige leven. Dus nu kiezen voor extra Typhoons of iets anders.

Sinds de komst van de F-4F en RF-4E in de jaren 70 (precies tussen de (R)F-104G en de Tornado IDS/ECR in) zit Duitsland telkens met een generatie die ze niet tegelijkertijd met de rest kunnen vervangen (F-4F>Typhoon>FCAS t.o.v. F-104G>Tornado IDS>?).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/09/2019 | 09:54 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 24/09/2019 | 09:42 uur
Duitsland zal toch echt de knip moeten trekken, want de Tornado IDS/ECR heeft niet het eeuwige leven. Dus nu kiezen voor extra Typhoons of iets anders.

Sinds de komst van de F-4F en RF-4E in de jaren 70 (precies tussen de (R)F-104G en de Tornado IDS/ECR in) zit Duitsland telkens met een generatie die ze niet tegelijkertijd met de rest kunnen vervangen (F-4F>Typhoon>FCAS t.o.v. F-104G>Tornado IDS>?).

Wat mij betreft is je luchtmacht dan ook groot genoeg om uit minimaal 2 type gevechtsvliegtuigen te bestaan welke om toerbeurt vervangen dienen te worden.

Huidige verwachte levensduur is +/- 30-40 jaar.  Elke 15-20 jaar een verjongingskuur (vervanging)  houdt je luchtmacht up to date en voorkomt een boeggolf.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/09/2019 | 10:16 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/09/2019 | 09:54 uur
Wat mij betreft is je luchtmacht dan ook groot genoeg om uit minimaal 2 type gevechtsvliegtuigen te bestaan welke om toerbeurt vervangen dienen te worden.

Huidige verwachte levensduur is +/- 30-40 jaar.  Elke 15-20 jaar een verjongingskuur (vervanging)  houdt je luchtmacht up to date en voorkomt een boeggolf.

Twee verschillende types is ook geen probleem. De ontwikkeling van de Typhoon duurde eigenlijk te lang, waardoor de F-4F langer moest blijven vliegen dan oorspronkelijk gepland. Nu zijn ze bezig met de Typhoon vervanger, maar moeten ze ook nog iets voor de Tornado IDS/ECR verzinnen. Italië en VK zijn wel duidelijk v.w.b. Tornado vervanging.

Als het dan geen F-35 mag worden, laat Duitsland dan gewoon voor extra Typhoons gaan en betalen voor B61-12 certificatie. Dat laatste moeten ze ook betalen in geval van Super Hornet keuze.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 24/09/2019 | 12:22 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 24/09/2019 | 08:44 uur
German defense minister wants quick decision on Tornado replacement

German Defense Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer on Monday said she aimed to decide as soon as possible next year how to replace Germany's aging fleet of Tornado fighter jets to prevent a lapse in Germany's ability to carry out missions for NATO.

Kramp-Karrenbauer, leader of Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats, said she discussed the issue with U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper during her first official visit to Washington since taking on her new role as defense minister.

Germany in January decided to pick either the Eurofighter - built by Airbus, Britain's BAE Systems and Italy's Leonardo SpA - or Boeing Co's F/A-18 fighter, dropping Lockheed Martin's F-35 fighter out of a tender worth billions of euros.

However neither the F/A-18 nor the Eurofighter is currently certified to carry U.S. nuclear weapons, as required under Germany's obligations to NATO. Germany is asking Washington to spell out what it will take to get those aircraft certified.

"My goal is that we make clear decisions as quickly as possible next year, so there is no time period in which there is no reasonable solution for replacing the Tornado fleet," Kramp-Karrenbauer told reporters.

She said she would work closely with Esper on the issue in coming months. But experts say it could take years to get the new planes certified to carry nuclear weapons, and the cost of maintaining the current aircraft is rising rapidly.

Kramp-Karrenbauer said she also had a frank discussion with Esper about Germany's rejection of the F-35 as a possible replacement for the Tornado jets, given concerns that it could impede work on a Franco-German next-generation combat jet.

"We made clear that ... the Future Combat Air System with the French was one of the reasons that ... we had to seek other solutions," she said, when asked if she ruled out taking another look at the F-35.

Lockheed officials had hoped that Germany could reconsider its decision after the departure of former Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen.

The German defense ministry in April estimated it would cost nearly 9 billion euros to keep its 93 Tornado jets, which first entered service in 1983, flying until 2030.

Of Germany's Tornado jets, 85 are operated by the Luftwaffe, or air force but not all are equipped to carry nuclear weapons. The remaining planes are used for training.

https://www.reuters.com/article/germany-military/german-defense-minister-wants-quick-decision-on-tornado-replacement-idUSL2N26E1ED

Denk dat nucleaire certificering nog het minste zal kosten voor de F18, als die er al niet is want dit is een toestel dat de VS zelf ook gebruikt en ik kan me indenken dat elk nieuw wapen op een of andere manier onder welk toestel kan hangen en gebruikt kan worden alleen naar de buitenwereld zullen ze dit indien niet nodig niet aan de grote klok hangen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/09/2019 | 12:34 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 24/09/2019 | 12:22 uur
Denk dat nucleaire certificering nog het minste zal kosten voor de F18, als die er al niet is want dit is een toestel dat de VS zelf ook gebruikt en ik kan me indenken dat elk nieuw wapen op een of andere manier onder welk toestel kan hangen en gebruikt kan worden alleen naar de buitenwereld zullen ze dit indien niet nodig niet aan de grote klok hangen.

De Super Hornet  lijkt mij alleen een kanshebber als Finland en Zwitserland ervoor gaan.

Er bestaat de Universal Armament Interface (UAI), maar dat is dacht ik alleen voor conventionele bewapening. Het scheelt wel als UAI aanwezig is.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/09/2019 | 18:52 uur
KF-X fighter prototype to be rolled out in first half of 2021, DAPA confirms

https://www.janes.com/article/91535/kf-x-fighter-prototype-to-be-rolled-out-in-first-half-of-2021-dapa-confirms

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/535/91535/p1750316_main.jpg)
An artist impression of the KF-X fighter aircraft. DAPA announced on 26 September that the critical design phase of the aircraft has been completed. Source: DAPA
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/09/2019 | 09:43 uur
F-35 Testing Delays Continue, Even as Aircraft Has Made Its Combat Debut

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/09/27/f-35-testing-delays-continue-even-aircraft-has-made-its-combat-debut.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 28/09/2019 | 11:10 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 26/09/2019 | 18:52 uur
KF-X fighter prototype to be rolled out in first half of 2021, DAPA confirms

https://www.janes.com/article/91535/kf-x-fighter-prototype-to-be-rolled-out-in-first-half-of-2021-dapa-confirms

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/535/91535/p1750316_main.jpg)
An artist impression of the KF-X fighter aircraft. DAPA announced on 26 September that the critical design phase of the aircraft has been completed. Source: DAPA

Dat is wel heel erg lijkend op een F-35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/09/2019 | 11:19 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 28/09/2019 | 11:10 uur
Dat is wel heel erg lijkend op een F-35.
Klopt en ook echt "stealth" met deze ondernemende bewapening.
Heeft deze wel een interne weaponsbay ? Gezien de positie van de raketten onder de "buik"
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 28/09/2019 | 11:22 uur
Nee, de raketten zitten daarop geplakt.

Maar ik vind het wel zo bizar veel lijken op de F-35 dat of die creatieve tekenaar eens zijn best moet doen of de ontwerpers van dat apparaat nader mogen worden onderzocht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/09/2019 | 08:38 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 28/09/2019 | 11:19 uur
Klopt en ook echt "stealth" met deze ondernemende bewapening.
Heeft deze wel een interne weaponsbay ? Gezien de positie van de raketten onder de "buik"

Er werd eerder gesproken over een versie met intern wapenruim en een versie met uitsluitend externe bewapening. Afwachten wat het nu daadwerkelijk zal gaan worden.

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 28/09/2019 | 11:22 uur
Nee, de raketten zitten daarop geplakt.

De raketten zijn half verzonken. Is vergelijkbaar met de AIM-7 Sparrow ophangpunten van de F-4 Phantom II.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/09/2019 | 08:40 uur
Britain's Royal Air Force receives last Typhoon fighter on order from BAE

https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2019/09/27/Britains-Royal-Air-Force-receives-last-Typhoon-fighter-on-order-from-BAE/7821569598752/

(https://cdnph.upi.com/svc/sv/i/7821569598752/2019/1/15695990226301/Britains-Royal-Air-Force-receives-last-Typhoon-fighter-on-order-from-BAE.jpg)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 30/09/2019 | 09:30 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 28/09/2019 | 11:22 uur
Nee, de raketten zitten daarop geplakt.

Maar ik vind het wel zo bizar veel lijken op de F-35 dat of die creatieve tekenaar eens zijn best moet doen of de ontwerpers van dat apparaat nader mogen worden onderzocht.

In onderstaande link een artikel over de ontwikkeling van dit toestel.

Er is intern ruimte voor het ontwikkelen van een weaponsbay maar in eerste instantie krijgt het toestel die niet.

Het is een stealth toestel maar nog steeds een RCS van 0,5 m2 tegenover 0,005 m2 van de F35.

Potentieel een goede kist maar ontwikkeld met veel FFBNW opties.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/10/2019 | 08:55 uur
P&W secures $5.7 billion deal for F135 engines

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pw-secures-57-billion-deal-for-f135-engines-461246/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 03/10/2019 | 09:02 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 30/09/2019 | 08:40 uur
Britain's Royal Air Force receives last Typhoon fighter on order from BAE

https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2019/09/27/Britains-Royal-Air-Force-receives-last-Typhoon-fighter-on-order-from-BAE/7821569598752/

(https://cdnph.upi.com/svc/sv/i/7821569598752/2019/1/15695990226301/Britains-Royal-Air-Force-receives-last-Typhoon-fighter-on-order-from-BAE.jpg)

Die dingen worden as we speak nog afgeleverd? Valen voor de Britten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/10/2019 | 09:13 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 03/10/2019 | 09:02 uur
Die dingen worden as we speak nog afgeleverd? Valen voor de Britten.

Er waren van de oorspronkelijke 232 stuks voor de RAF uiteindelijk 160 besteld. Nu is eindelijke de laatste geleverd. Misschien falen, maar de RAF heeft nu elke fast jet nodig die zij maar kunnen krijgen. De Tornado's zijn afgelopen maart uit dienst genomen en de levering van de F-35B gaat nu nog traag.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 03/10/2019 | 09:23 uur
Als interceptor wellicht geen probleem maar om nog leveringen tr ontvangen van een toch al even bestaand toestel als dat is dan jammer. Maar 160 stuks zijn nog een mooi aantal.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 03/10/2019 | 09:41 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 03/10/2019 | 09:23 uur
Als interceptor wellicht geen probleem maar om nog leveringen tr ontvangen van een toch al even bestaand toestel als dat is dan jammer. Maar 160 stuks zijn nog een mooi aantal.

De typhoon is officieel pas sinds 2007 in dienst bij de RAF. Ook zijn ze begonnen met een deel van de tranch 1 tweezittters te slopen dus geen 160 maar zo'n 140 blijven in dienst.

Daarnaast hebben ze nog 18 F35B's.

Het is misschien niet ideaal voor de Britten maar ze doen het beter dan de KLU.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/10/2019 | 09:49 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 03/10/2019 | 09:41 uur
De typhoon is officieel pas sinds 2007 in dienst bij de RAF. Ook zijn ze begonnen met een deel van de tranch 1 tweezittters te slopen dus geen 160 maar zo'n 140 blijven in dienst.

Klopt. Van de 160 stuks zijn er 14 stuks gekannibaliseerd (ook weer zo'n besluit).

Zowel bij FCAS/SCAF als bij Tempest zullen ze niet weer de fout moeten maken zoals met de verschillende Tranche uitvoeringen van de Typhoon.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 03/10/2019 | 12:44 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 30/09/2019 | 09:30 uur
In onderstaande link een artikel over de ontwikkeling van dit toestel.

Er is intern ruimte voor het ontwikkelen van een weaponsbay maar in eerste instantie krijgt het toestel die niet.

Het is een stealth toestel maar nog steeds een RCS van 0,5 m2 tegenover 0,005 m2 van de F35.

Potentieel een goede kist maar ontwikkeld met veel FFBNW opties.

Facebook artikel ROK armed Forces (https://m.facebook.com/ROKArmedForces/posts/2362406783857695?__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARBm8K2yV8J7W3l8Tso5RBwyjUlWnUAFzxOWoUclPZBoWw-nRJIJI8Q2Sw4SOZATAV33Qw0nu4sjMTkNQYawjJX2r7G2bRqx5li8m7XQrJSb6CfWI23cDatT7MIdt1gc-KwKnr0jX235fhE0dbQKMZJK1hoc3vC2uvAFID-JJF0R2im8YSCe_dvdWDj_yqAB28-74rHuNdQJOxNqLK0-l0yrA9NleUSPMX42gtOf2ay_FyWmjiXF5hhyLZfqetjL4rujABZmIXPvnsqg5kL4imKBz1mMklpBTtKfrdu4965HAPXwCBEfeBDRbm2cMluEsURtaJqN6sG5dIbS4x2iTVDf7Q&__tn__=-R)

Alsof de RCS publiekelijk op te vragen is...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/10/2019 | 14:03 uur
NAVY F-35C ROADMAP REVEALED
Nov 2019 Mike Crutch Combat Aircraft

"Following much speculation, and set against the wider politics of the F-35 program in terms of trained personnel, mission capable aircraft and delivery rates, the US Navy has unveiled its current planning for the F-35C variant as it integrates further with the fleet and its carrier air wings.

With VFA-147 'Argonauts' preparing to commence work-ups with Carrier Air Wing Two (CVW-2) for a cruise in USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70) in 2021, the US Marine Corps' VMFA-314 'Black Knights' finally began training with VFA-125 'Rough Raiders' at NAS Lemoore, California, on September 9. The squadron, which will initially receive 10 aircraft from the F-35 Low Rate Initial Production (LRIP) batch 12, will be assigned to CVW-17, which itself is currently attached to USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71). VMFA-314 will also become the first F-35C squadron to be based at MCAS Miramar.

Next through the classrooms of VFA-125 will be VFA-97 'Warhawks', which should become operational with Lot 13 standard F-35Cs in Fiscal Year (FY) 2022 before moving to MCAS Iwakuni, Japan, in FY 2024 to join CVW-5 which, by then, will have been reunited with USS George Washington (CVN 73). Meanwhile, another USMC squadron (VMA-311 'Tomcats' currently flying the AV-8B Harrier II from MCAS Yuma) will have transitioned to the Lightning II and will move to Miramar. The F-35C fleet as a whole will receive weapons upgrades around this time, including provision for the second-generation Small Diameter Bomb and an upgraded AIM-9X Sidewinder missile.

VFA-115 'Eagles' will exchange its F/A-18Es for Lot 17 F-35Cs to become operational in FY 2025, followed the next year (and stand by for confusion here) by VMFA-115 'Silver Eagles', which will finally relinquish its F/A-18 Hornets at MCAS Beaufort, South Carolina. Fiscal Year 2027 will herald the arrival of Lot 19 F-35Cs, which will be issued to VFA-151 'Vigilantes', while Lot 20 machines will be flown by VMFA-251 'Thunderbolts', which will become the second Beaufort based F-35C squadron in FY 2028. This timeframe should see some 200 F-35C airframes in the navy/marine corps inventory, with the LRIP aircraft likely to be subject to upgrades in plans yet to be funded or revealed publicly.

With the majority of the F-35C fleet units on the Pacific coast, from this it seems logical to assume that the first Atlantic Fleet deployment by the F-35C will be conducted by one of the Beaufort squadrons."

Source: Combat Aircraft Magazine Vol.20 No.11

Link PDF artikel:
http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=31523

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/10/2019 | 09:42 uur
Air Force Creates New PEO for NGAD, Applying "Digital Century Series" Idea

http://airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/October%202019/Air-Force-Creates-New-PEO-for-NGAD-Applying-Digital-Century-Series-Idea.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/10/2019 | 08:45 uur
PICTURES: US Navy F/A-18C Hornet makes final flight (einde US Navy active-duty voor Hornet)

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-us-navy-fa-18c-hornet-makes-final-flight-461289/

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/10/2019 | 10:05 uur
Boeing's F-18 jet may have a leg up in Germany over Eurofighter

The race between Boeing's F-18 jet and the Airbus Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft to replace Germany's Tornado fighter-bombers has tilted toward the American plane, according to a German media report.

That is after German defense officials received information from the Pentagon about the time needed to certify the Eurofighter to carry nuclear weapons, according to an article in the Süddeutsche Zeitung. Getting the Eurofighter approved for that mission would take between three and five years longer than the F-18, which is considered a nuclear weapons-capable aircraft in the U.S. military, the newspaper reported.

Germany has kept a subset of its approximately 80-strong Tornado fleet equipped to carry out the NATO nuclear-sharing doctrine. That means in the case of a hypothetical atomic war, German pilots would load their aircraft with U.S. nuclear bombs and drop them on their intended targets at the behest of the alliance.

While Germany's nuclear mission periodically comes up as a source of controversy here, previous governments have left it untouched, portraying the largely symbolic assignment as a vital element of trans-Atlantic relations.

A spokeswoman for the Defence Ministry in Berlin declined to comment on the SZ report, saying only that American and German defense officials have been in "continuous conversations" on the issue.

The government is expected to announce a winner between the F-18 and the Eurofighter Typhoon early next year. In January 2019, defense officials eliminated the F-35 as a candidate, largely because picking an American plane would weaken the case for having such weapons be made by European companies in the future.

Such is the case with the Future Combat Air Systems program, led by Airbus and Dassault. Airbus says if Germany chooses the Eurofighter as a Tornado replacement, it would be easier for companies on the continent to transition to an eventual development of the German-Franco-Spanish platform.

..../....

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/10/04/boeings-f-18-may-have-a-leg-up-in-germany-over-eurofighter/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/10/2019 | 10:25 uur
Citaat van: DefenseNews op 07/10/2019 | 10:05 uur
Boeing's F-18 jet may have a leg up in Germany over Eurofighter

.../...

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/10/04/boeings-f-18-may-have-a-leg-up-in-germany-over-eurofighter/

Bij keuze voor de Super Hornet zit de Luftwaffe straks weer in de VS, maar dan bij de US Navy. Datzelfde traject had de RAAF midden jaren 80 met de Hornet en nu met de Super Hornet en Growler.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/10/2019 | 10:32 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 07/10/2019 | 10:25 uur
Bij keuze voor de Super Hornet zit de Luftwaffe straks weer in de VS, maar dan bij de US Navy. Datzelfde traject had de RAAF midden jaren 80 met de Hornet en nu met de Super Hornet en Growler.

Er wordt straks vastwel vanuit Frankrijk commentaar geleverd richting Duitsland en de te maken keuzes en dan wordt er vast een stok(brood) ervoor gestoken en onder politieke druk voor de Eurofighter gekozen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/10/2019 | 10:40 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 07/10/2019 | 10:32 uur
Er wordt straks vastwel vanuit Frankrijk commentaar geleverd richting Duitsland en de te maken keuzes en dan wordt er vast een stok(brood) ervoor gestoken en onder politieke druk voor de Eurofighter gekozen.

Gelukkig geldt dat alleen voor Parijs. De Franse luchtmacht en marine zit er niet zo mee als een vliegtuig of helikopter van Amerikaans ontwerp is. In ieder geval moet Duitsland in mijn ogen snel beslissen. De Tornado wordt er ook niet jonger op.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 07/10/2019 | 16:49 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 07/10/2019 | 10:40 uur
Gelukkig geldt dat alleen voor Parijs. De Franse luchtmacht en marine zit er niet zo mee als een vliegtuig of helikopter van Amerikaans ontwerp is. In ieder geval moet Duitsland in mijn ogen snel beslissen. De Tornado wordt er ook niet jonger op.

Onjuiste aanname.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/10/2019 | 18:44 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 07/10/2019 | 16:49 uur
Onjuiste aanname.

Hoezo onjuist? Als er kritiek uit Frankrijk komt, dan is dat politiek Parijs. Heb de Franse marine niet horen klagen over de Hawkeyes of de Franse luchtmacht over de Hercules. Beide krijgsmachtdelen hebben een behoorlijke historie v.w.b. vliegend materieel van Amerikaans komaf.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 07/10/2019 | 19:04 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 07/10/2019 | 18:44 uur
Hoezo onjuist? Als er kritiek uit Frankrijk komt, dan is dat politiek Parijs. Heb de Franse marine niet horen klagen over de Hawkeyes of de Franse luchtmacht over de Hercules. Beide krijgsmachtdelen hebben een behoorlijke historie v.w.b. vliegend materieel van Amerikaans komaf.

Ik lees hem nu anders, excuus ik vatte hem in de eerste instantie anders op. Maar wat je zegt klopt, als ze er niet omheen kunnen is Amerikaans next best thing voor wat betreft de Franse luchtboys.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 07/10/2019 | 19:05 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 07/10/2019 | 18:44 uur
Hoezo onjuist? Als er kritiek uit Frankrijk komt, dan is dat politiek Parijs. Heb de Franse marine niet horen klagen over de Hawkeyes of de Franse luchtmacht over de Hercules. Beide krijgsmachtdelen hebben een behoorlijke historie v.w.b. vliegend materieel van Amerikaans komaf.

Vergeet niet dat de Franse marine van de jaren 60 tot 2000 met Vought F-8 Crusaders vanaf de Clemenceau en Foch  hebben gevlogen en daarnaast heeft de Franse Marine ook nog met Lynx helicopters gevlogen.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/10/2019 | 19:25 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 07/10/2019 | 19:05 uur
Vergeet niet dat de Franse marine van de jaren 60 tot 2000 met Vought F-8 Crusaders vanaf de Clemenceau en Foch  hebben gevlogen en daarnaast heeft de Franse Marine ook nog met Lynx helicopters gevlogen.

En nog veel meer. De Franse luchtmacht vloog lange tijd met de F-100 Super Sabre.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/10/2019 | 21:59 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 07/10/2019 | 21:51 uur
De Luftwaffe doet zijn opleidingen toch al voor een deel in de US?

Alleen de voortgezette vliegopleiding doen ze op dit moment in de VS (Sheppard AFB). De Tornado vliegopleiding was tot voor kort op Holloman AFB. De Tornado vliegopleiding is terug naar Duitsland gehaald.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 07/10/2019 | 22:16 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 07/10/2019 | 21:51 uur
De Luftwaffe doet zijn opleidingen toch al voor een deel in de US?

Zou de Typhoon echt zo'n slechte keuze zijn?
Voegt de F18 qua capaciteit zoveel toe? Wat brengt het aan kosten met zich mee? In hoeverre kun je daar niet juist ook investeren in de Typhoon. Beste zou m.i. zijn een handjevol F35's. Kunnen ze bommen mee gooien en hebben ze kans op wat ervaring en kennis die in komende eigen projecten van pas gaan komen. 2e keuze zou m.i een investering in extra Typhoons zijn.

Die Typhoons staan nu al bijna allemaal aan de grond, dat wordt echt niet beter met meer.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/10/2019 | 22:27 uur
De KLu wil uiteindelijk 67 F35, laten we nu 9+6 bestellen + meteen een extra squadron en deze leasen aan de Duitsers... kosten ze NL niets maar ze tellen wel mee in de defensiebegroting en kunnen ze bij instroom FCAS terug naar de KLu.

Houden wij zo maar wat pecunia over voor iets anders.  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/10/2019 | 22:39 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 07/10/2019 | 22:34 uur
Zoals de Italianen F16's hadden geleased. Zou ook nog een optie zijn. Maar wat ik begrijp is het toch juist het B61 issue. Een F15E zou ook wel aardig zijn :D

De F15E heeft kort op het Duitse wensenlijstje gestaan... ik heb eigenlijk geen idee waarom deze van de lijst is afgehaald (De F15E zou zoveel logischer zijn gezien de Amerikaanse aanwezigheid met dit type in Europa).

Misschien vonden/vinden de Fransozen dit type te bedreigend voor het FCAS project???
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/10/2019 | 08:35 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/10/2019 | 22:39 uur
De F15E heeft kort op het Duitse wensenlijstje gestaan... ik heb eigenlijk geen idee waarom deze van de lijst is afgehaald (De F15E zou zoveel logischer zijn gezien de Amerikaanse aanwezigheid met dit type in Europa).

Dan is de F-35A nog veel logischer, omdat de USAFE F-15E squadrons 492nd FS en 494th FS (48th FW, RAF Lakenheath) per 2021 overgaan op de F-35A  :angel:

Duitsland had zo mooi kunnen aansluiten bij Italië en VK (Typhoon + F-35).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/10/2019 | 08:40 uur
A-Darter AAM formally qualified

https://www.janes.com/article/91722/a-darter-aam-formally-qualified

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/722/91722/p1631149_main.jpg)
Denel Dynamics completed the formal qualification review of the A-Darter IIR short-range air-to-air missile in August. Source: Denel
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/10/2019 | 08:59 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/10/2019 | 08:35 uur
Dan is de F-35A nog veel logischer, omdat de USAFE F-15E squadrons 492nd FS en 494th FS (48th FW, RAF Lakenheath) per 2021 overgaan op de F-35A  :angel:

Duitsland had zo mooi kunnen aansluiten bij Italië en VK (Typhoon + F-35).

Precies, dat is de meest logische keuze.
Zeker met de toekomst gedacht met 2 type toestellen, nu aankoop van F35A en deze mee laten draaien in samenwerking met andere F35 gebruikers binnen Europa (VK, NL, NO, DK, IT, BE)
F-35A gaat zeker nog mee tot in de jaren 50-60

De Frans/Duitse FCAS moet nog ontwikkeld, ontworpen en gefabriceerd worden, leveringen pas in de jaren 40.

Hierdoor een mooie overlapping. Geen gelijktijdige aankoop-investeringen.
   
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/10/2019 | 09:01 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/10/2019 | 08:35 uur
Dan is de F-35A nog veel logischer, omdat de USAFE F-15E squadrons 492nd FS en 494th FS (48th FW, RAF Lakenheath) per 2021 overgaan op de F-35A  :angel:

Duitsland had zo mooi kunnen aansluiten bij Italië en VK (Typhoon + F-35).

Zeker.... jammer dat Frankrijk dan dwars gaat liggen met FCAS.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/10/2019 | 09:05 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/10/2019 | 09:01 uur
Zeker.... jammer dat Frankrijk dan dwars gaat liggen met FCAS.

:hrmph:   tja ... altijd weer die Franse stok(brood)...  welke overal voor gestoken wordt.  ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/10/2019 | 09:20 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 08/10/2019 | 08:59 uur
Precies, dat is de meest logische keuze.
Zeker met de toekomst gedacht met 2 type toestellen, nu aankoop van F35A en deze mee laten draaien in samenwerking met andere F35 gebruikers binnen Europa (VK, NL, NO, DK, IT, BE)
F-35A gaat zeker nog mee tot in de jaren 50-60

Vervolgens kan het niet lang meer duren voordat PL officieel kan worden toegevoegd aan dit rijtje Europese F-35 gebruikers. Om nog maar niet te spreken over mogelijke gebruikers FI en CH.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 08/10/2019 | 11:20 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 08/10/2019 | 08:59 uur
Precies, dat is de meest logische keuze.
Zeker met de toekomst gedacht met 2 type toestellen, nu aankoop van F35A en deze mee laten draaien in samenwerking met andere F35 gebruikers binnen Europa (VK, NL, NO, DK, IT, BE)
F-35A gaat zeker nog mee tot in de jaren 50-60

De Frans/Duitse FCAS moet nog ontwikkeld, ontworpen en gefabriceerd worden, leveringen pas in de jaren 40.

Hierdoor een mooie overlapping. Geen gelijktijdige aankoop-investeringen.


Ook de beste keuze als je kijkt maar de kernwapentaak binnen de NAVO i.c.m. Toekomstbestendigheid.

Voor de Duitsers een bijna van de plank toestel dat inderdaad perfect aansluit op het vervangen van de Tornado en later goed samen kan met een ander 5th of 6th gen toestel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/10/2019 | 15:11 uur
Dassault delivers first Rafale to India

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/dassault-delivers-first-rafale-to-india-461332/

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Dassault
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/10/2019 | 15:12 uur
F-35 Production Deal is Largest in DOD History; Block 4 Contract Also Inked

http://airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/June%202019/F-35-Production-Deal-is-Largest-in-DOD-History-Block-4-Contract-Also-Inked.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 08/10/2019 | 17:37 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/10/2019 | 08:35 uur
Dan is de F-35A nog veel logischer, omdat de USAFE F-15E squadrons 492nd FS en 494th FS (48th FW, RAF Lakenheath) per 2021 overgaan op de F-35A  :angel:

Duitsland had zo mooi kunnen aansluiten bij Italië en VK (Typhoon + F-35).

Volgens mij heeft het hier ergens al eerder gestaan dat de 1 motorige F35 afviel omdat de Duitsers geen singel engine toestellen meer willen agv de Starfighter.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/10/2019 | 19:16 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 08/10/2019 | 17:37 uur
Volgens mij heeft het hier ergens al eerder gestaan dat de 1 motorige F35 afviel omdat de Duitsers geen singel engine toestellen meer willen agv de Starfighter.

Klinkt logisch, maar hun ervaring met de eenmotorige Fiat G.91 was dacht ik niet zo slecht.

Het feit dat de naoorlogse Luftwaffe in een zeer korte tijd met straaljagers moest leren omgaan (bijna 10 jaar na de KLu) en het vele laagvliegen hielp niet met alle crashes. Vervolgens komt er een pittig type zoals de F-104.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/10/2019 | 21:41 uur
Die Duitsers hadden al wel veel eerder ervaring met fastjets dan de KLU. Zij vlogen in 45 al met oa de ME262.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/10/2019 | 22:04 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 08/10/2019 | 21:41 uur
Die Duitsers hadden al wel veel eerder ervaring met fastjets dan de KLU. Zij vlogen in 45 al met oa de ME262.

Daarom noemde ik ook de naoorlogse Luftwaffe. Een hoop ervaren vliegers hadden in de tussenjaren (1945-1956) niet op straaljagers gevlogen en er waren natuurlijk ook nieuwe vliegers.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/10/2019 | 09:04 uur
RAAF to fit Super Hornets with IRST

https://www.janes.com/article/91754/raaf-to-fit-super-hornets-with-irst

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/754/91754/p1522173_main.jpg)
The Super Hornet is fitted with a podded IRST system that doubles as a centreline fuel tank. Already fitted to US Navy aircraft, it is also to be rolled out to the Royal Australian Air Force. Source: Lockheed Martin
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/10/2019 | 09:12 uur
Airbus en Dassault hebben haast met 'Euro-JSF'

Leonard van den Broek 09/10/2019

Het Franse Dassault en het Duitse Airbus willen graag dat de ontwikkeling van een nieuw Europees gevechtsvliegtuig snel de volgende fase ingaat. Dit maakten de topmannen van beide concerns bekend in een persbericht.
Spoed

Dirk Hoke, CEO van Airbus Defence & Space en Eric Trappier, CEO van Dassault manen de regeringen van Duitsland en Frankrijk tot spoed. Zo snel mogelijk wil de twee bedrijven samen starten met het ontwikkelen van een vliegend demonstratiemodel van 'FCAS'. Met deze afkorting wordt het gezamenlijke project aangeduid: Future Combat Aircraft System.
Planning

"Als Europa niet snel de volgende stap neemt in dit programma, zal het onmogelijk worden om de noodzakelijke ontwikkelings- en productiefaciliteiten te onderhouden. Dat is namelijk nodig om een zelfstandige, onafhankelijke defensie-industrie te behouden." Het doel van Dassault en Airbus is om het nieuwe gevechtsvliegtuig uiterlijk in 2040 operationeel te hebben. Volgens beide topmannen lijkt dit nog ver weg, maar moet de planning hiervoor al veel eerder beginnen.
Kosten

Hoewel het in het persbericht niet letterlijk staat geschreven, willen de heren natuurlijk dat beide landen met geld over de brug komen. Want een demonstratietoestel geheel op eigen kosten ontwikkelen en zelf het risico dragen, is zelfs voor Airbus en Dassault te kostbaar.

https://www.upinthesky.nl/2019/10/09/airbus-en-dassault-hebben-haast-met-euro-jsf/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/10/2019 | 13:40 uur
Italy to go ahead with its F-35 fighter jet programme -minister

Company News October 9, 2019 / 8:06 AM / Updated 6 hours ago

ROME, Oct 9 (Reuters) - Italy Defence Minister Lorenzo Guerini said on Wednesday that the government intends to confirm its F-35 fighter jet investment programme.

"Renewing our fleet is a need that cannot be postponed," Guerini, a member of the ruling Democratic Party (PD), said in an interview with Italian newspaper Il Corriere della Sera.

"I can assure you that Italy's participation in the F-35 programme meets the objectives of effectiveness and efficiency of the military instrument," he said.

Luigi Di Maio, leader of the co-ruling 5-Star Movement, said last year that F-35 fighter jets were not a priority for the country and that the programme had to be reviewed in 2019.

https://www.reuters.com/article/italy-defence-minister/italy-to-go-ahead-with-its-f-35-fighter-jet-programme-minister-idUSL5N26U0NV
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/10/2019 | 19:59 uur
South Korea to buy 20 more F-35 jets

https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2019/10/10/south-korea-to-buy-20-more-f-35-jets/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/10/2019 | 12:05 uur
Eielson AFB reactivates 356th Fighter Squadron (Eielson AFB, Alaska maakt zich klaar voor de F-35A)

https://www.eielson.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1987076/eielson-afb-reactivates-356th-fighter-squadron/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/10/2019 | 20:07 uur
Norway's F-35s have a problem with a unique piece of gear

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/10/11/norways-f-35s-have-a-problem-with-a-unique-piece-of-gear/#.XaDEYz8d-_p.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/10/2019 | 20:58 uur
Citaat van: DefenseNews op 11/10/2019 | 20:07 uur
Norway's F-35s have a problem with a unique piece of gear

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/10/11/norways-f-35s-have-a-problem-with-a-unique-piece-of-gear/#.XaDEYz8d-_p.twitter

Weer een uitdaging. Ook goed om te lezen dat Noorwegen komende maart met de F-35A de Icelandic Air Policing missie zal uitvoeren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ros op 11/10/2019 | 21:46 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/10/2019 | 20:07 uur
Norway's F-35s have a problem with a unique piece of gear

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/10/11/norways-f-35s-have-a-problem-with-a-unique-piece-of-gear/#.XaDEYz8d-_p.twitter

Wat is dit.....op basis van trial and error ? Als je geluk heb werkt het   :omg:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 12/10/2019 | 00:05 uur
Citaat van: Ros op 11/10/2019 | 21:46 uur
Wat is dit.....op basis van trial and error ? Als je geluk heb werkt het   :omg:

De norm van 1:10.000 wordt niet gehaald . Verder ook niet heel spannend aangezien dat ding het zonder chute ook wel redt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 12/10/2019 | 09:24 uur
Zomaar ff vraagje is deze add-on op iedere F35 te zetten? Want ik meen ergens opgevangen te hebben dat wij als Nederlanders ook een klein vingertje in deze pap hebben. Maar de noren hoofdaannemer waren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 12/10/2019 | 09:51 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 12/10/2019 | 09:24 uur
Zomaar ff vraagje is deze add-on op iedere F35 te zetten? Want ik meen ergens opgevangen te hebben dat wij als Nederlanders ook een klein vingertje in deze pap hebben. Maar de noren hoofdaannemer waren.

Volgens mij kan het in elk geval op alle F35A's of het ook op de B en/of C kan weet ik niet maar ik ga er wel vanuit. C versie kan ook op land gebruik maken van de haak natuurlijk als de baan geprepareerd is met kabels.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 12/10/2019 | 09:54 uur
Werden die van NL hier ook niet mee uitgerust?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/10/2019 | 09:59 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 12/10/2019 | 09:54 uur
Werden die van NL hier ook niet mee uitgerust?

Dat is wel de bedoeling. F-003 en jonger zijn er al op voor voorbereid.

Op onderstaand voorbeeld van F-007 is precies te zien waar de drag chute housing wordt geplaatst.

http://www.f-16.net/g3/f-35-photos/album502/album520/F-007

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/10/2019 | 11:03 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 12/10/2019 | 09:51 uur
C versie kan ook op land gebruik maken van de haak natuurlijk als de baan geprepareerd is met kabels.

De -A versie heeft ook een vanghaak, maar dan de lichte versie. De vangkabels wil je pas gebruiken als alle andere opties niet meer van toepassing zijn.

Zie onderstaande link met filmpje van de Vliegtuig Afrem Installatie (VAI) op Vlb. Volkel.

https://twitter.com/VlbVolkel/status/1181493295429640192
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 12/10/2019 | 11:14 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/10/2019 | 11:03 uur
De -A versie heeft ook een vanghaak, maar dan de lichte versie. De vangkabels wil je pas gebruiken als alle andere opties niet meer van toepassing zijn.

Zie onderstaande link met filmpje van de Vliegtuig Afrem Installatie (VAI) op Vlb. Volkel.

https://twitter.com/VlbVolkel/status/1181493295429640192

Waren toch afgelopen keer op Volkel en daarvoor in Leeuwarden zwaardere VAI's geplaatst tijdens de F35 deployment.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/10/2019 | 11:21 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 12/10/2019 | 11:14 uur
Waren toch afgelopen keer op Volkel en daarvoor in Leeuwarden zwaardere VAI's geplaatst tijdens de F35 deployment.

Dacht dat zij op dat moment Mobile Aircraft Arresting System (MAAS) gebruikten. Zowel VAI als MAAS kunnen door de F-35 worden gebruikt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/10/2019 | 09:40 uur
ADEX: Full-sized KAI KF-X mockup unveiled

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/adex-full-sized-kai-kf-x-mockup-unveiled-461464/

(https://newsassets.cirium.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=79045)
The KF-X is to enter service in 2026. All images Greg Waldron
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/10/2019 | 10:08 uur
U.S. Navy Fit Checks Next Gen Jammer on EA-18G Growler

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/10/u-s-navy-fit-checks-next-gen-jammer-on-ea-18g-growler/

(https://www.navalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/U.S.-Navy-Fit-Checks-Next-Gen-Jammer-on-EA-18G-Growler-770x410.jpg)
NGJ-MB is a high-capacity and power airborne electronic attack weapon system for the Growler designed to protect air forces by denying, degrading and disrupting threat radars and communication devices. (U.S. Navy photo)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/10/2019 | 09:49 uur
ADEX: KAI unveils futuristic KF-X cockpit

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/adex-kai-unveils-futuristic-kf-x-cockpit-461492/

(https://newsassets.cirium.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=79067)
The advanced cockpit of the KF-X Greg Waldron/FlightGlobal

ADEX 2019: Indonesia committed to KF-X project despite fiscal concerns

https://www.janes.com/article/91903/adex-2019-indonesia-committed-to-kf-x-project-despite-fiscal-concerns
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/10/2019 | 09:31 uur
DSEI 2019: Future Eurofighter Typhoon development

https://www.janes.com/article/91955/dsei-2019-future-eurofighter-typhoon-development

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/10/2019 | 09:35 uur
Keeping 4th-Gen Fighters in the Game

http://airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2019/October%202019/Keeping-4th-Gen-Fighters-in-the-Game.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/10/2019 | 11:07 uur
Germany could buy F/A-18s   
( ... eigenlijk zou ik wel verbaasd zijn als Duitsland voor de F-18E/F/G zou kiezen boven de al bij hun ingebruik zijnde Eurofighter.... Dan de enigste gebruiker in Europa. Maar de aanschaf en gebruikskosten zullen aanmerkelijk lager zijn en daarbij certificatie voor B61 is makkelijker en sneller. ...  :cute-smile:  tja ... dan toch F-18E/F/G.   Dan wel benieuwd naar welk type, 1-zitter of toch net als de tornado een 2 zitter of de Growler ?  )   

According to reports, Germany is leaning towards buying the F/A-18 over the Eurofighter Typhoon.

https://www.defensenews.com/video/2019/10/14/germany-could-buy-fa-18s/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/10/2019 | 11:20 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 18/10/2019 | 11:07 uur
Germany could buy F/A-18s   
( ... eigenlijk zou ik wel verbaasd zijn als Duitsland voor de F-18E/F/G zou kiezen boven de al bij hun ingebruik zijnde Eurofighter.... Dan de enigste gebruiker in Europa. Maar de aanschaf en gebruikskosten zullen aanmerkelijk lager zijn en daarbij certificatie voor B61 is makkelijker en sneller. ...  :cute-smile:  tja ... dan toch F-18E/F/G.   Dan wel benieuwd naar welk type, 1-zitter of toch net als de tornado een 2 zitter of de Growler ?  )   

According to reports, Germany is leaning towards buying the F/A-18 over the Eurofighter Typhoon.

https://www.defensenews.com/video/2019/10/14/germany-could-buy-fa-18s/

Ergens is het wel erg als er daadwerkelijk voor de Super Hornet wordt gekozen. Volop lopen hameren op Europees (lees Typhoon) en uitsluiting van de F-35.

Kiest Duitsland de Super Hornet, dan ben ik benieuwd of ook wordt gekozen voor IRIS-T en Meteor integratie of toch aanschaf van AIM-9X en AIM-120C/D net zoals Australië dat moest doen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/10/2019 | 09:33 uur
Pentagon delays F-35 full-rate production decision by 13 months

https://www.janes.com/article/92039/pentagon-delays-f-35-full-rate-production-decision-by-13-months

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Delays developing the JSE forced the Pentagon to delay its F-35 FRP decision by 13 months. Source: US Air Force
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/10/2019 | 09:34 uur
F-35 Integration Issues May Delay Full-Rate Production By More Than One Year (een langer artikel)

http://airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/October%202019/F-35-Integration-Issues-May-Delay-Full-Rate-Production-By-More-Than-One-Year.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/10/2019 | 11:04 uur
F-35 productie op volledige schaal uitgesteld

Leonard van den Broek 20/10/2019

Het Amerikaanse Ministerie van Defensie geeft voorlopig nog geen toestemming om de productie van de Lockheed Martin F-35 op volledige capaciteit te laten draaien. Dit schrijft onder meer Reuters.

Uitgesteld

Oorspronkelijk zou eind dit jaar het besluit worden genomen of de productie van de F-35 over kan gaan van 'Low Rate Initial Production' naar 'Full Rate production'. Volgens het Pentagon wordt dit voorlopig uitgesteld, tot uiterlijk januari 2021. 'Full Rate Production' (FRP) wordt ook wel aangeduid als 'Milestone C'. Het is een belangrijke mijlpaal en wordt gezien als een extra blijk van vertrouwen in het hele programma.

Gesimuleerd

De belangrijkste reden voor het uitstel zijn problemen bij de simulators voor het testen en trainen van de F-35. De 'Joint Simulation Environment' (JSE) is een aanvulling op alle testsystemen van de F-35. Bepaalde nieuwe systemen kunnen met de JSE getest worden in een gesimuleerde omgeving. Gevechtssituaties kunnen worden nagebootst, zonder dat er gevlogen hoeft te worden.

Vertraging

De integratie van de JSE in het hele F-35 programma heeft flinke vertraging opgelopen. Het JSE wordt belangrijk genoeg geacht voor de F-35, om de volgende stap in het productieschema dan maar uit te stellen. Het uitstel zal nauwelijks effect hebben op de aflevering van Nederlandse F-35's, omdat het merendeel wordt geproduceerd als 'Low Rate Initial Production' toestellen. Of het uitstel nog effect zal hebben op de prijs per toestel, is niet bekend.

https://www.upinthesky.nl/2019/10/20/f-35-productie-op-volledige-schaal-uitgesteld/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/10/2019 | 09:38 uur
EuroDASS unveils plan for new Typhoon DASS/EW suite

https://www.janes.com/article/92058/eurodass-unveils-plan-for-new-typhoon-dass-ew-suite

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/058/92058/p1744334_main.jpg)
Praetorian Evolution builds on the Typhoon's existing Praetorian DASS but introduces a new all-digital architecture and expands EW functionality beyond platform self-protection. Source: EuroDASS
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/10/2019 | 09:24 uur
Lockheed declares F-35 stealth coating 'rock solid' (de stealth coating onderhoudsinterval is beter dan verwacht)

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-declares-f-35-stealth-coating-rock-solid-461721/

(https://newsassets.cirium.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=79042)
A Republic of Korea Air Force F-35A at ADEX show Greg Waldron
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/10/2019 | 09:57 uur
New F-35 Block Buy is Close, Lockheed Says (zou Duitsland dan toch niet onmogelijk zijn?)

.../...

Getting the price under $80 million in lot 13 will "certainly help with those possibilities," he said. Germany has indicated a preference for the F/A-18E/F, but Possenriede said, "We don't think we're out of the German competition yet."

http://airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/October%202019/New-F-35-Block-Buy-is-Close-Lockheed-Says-.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 24/10/2019 | 10:34 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 24/10/2019 | 09:57 uur
New F-35 Block Buy is Close, Lockheed Says (zou Duitsland dan toch niet onmogelijk ?)

Met een flinke "Rabat" is er heel veel mogelijk natuurlijk.

De Duitse politiek is daar misschien nog gevoelig voor en de Duitse Luchtmacht heeft al laten weten voor de F-35 te zijn.

Er zitten bij de EF typhoon een hoop kosten ( voor Duitse rekening) voor b-61 integratie die bij de F-35 niet aanwezig zijn.
   
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/10/2019 | 10:55 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 24/10/2019 | 10:34 uur
Met een flinke "Rabat" is er heel veel mogelijk natuurlijk.

De Duitse politiek is daar misschien nog gevoelig voor en de Duitse Luchtmacht heeft al laten weten voor de F-35 te zijn.

Er zitten bij de EF typhoon een hoop kosten ( voor Duitse rekening) voor b-61 integratie die bij de F-35 niet aanwezig zijn.


Het gaat in DE niet zo zeer om de pecunia op dit dossier maar meer om de Franse druk in het FCAS programma.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 24/10/2019 | 11:10 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/10/2019 | 10:55 uur
Het gaat in DE niet zo zeer om de pecunia op dit dossier maar meer om de Franse druk in het FCAS programma.

Maar de prijs kan best invloed hebben op het dossier. De politiek kan samenwerking willen maar als dat veel duurder is dan speelt geld opeens wel een rol zeker bij oppositie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/10/2019 | 11:21 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 24/10/2019 | 11:17 uur
Toch is dat ook wel heel simpel.
Dat kan namelijk evengoed worden ondervangen met een stevige commitment. Maar van de Duitsers is bekend dat die voor een show krijgsmacht gaan. Er komt toch geen oorlog. En daar zijn de Fransen zeker in relatie tot FCAS wel bang voor. Dan krijg je een herhaling van wat op de Typhoon is gebeurd.

In dit geval is het helaas zo simpel tenzij men Duitse deelname aan FCAS op het spel wil zetten. De F18E is blijkbaar een aanvaardbaar compromis voor de Fransozen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/10/2019 | 11:26 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 24/10/2019 | 11:22 uur
Was politiek maar simpel Jurrien. Zou veel schelen.

Ik weet het, maar het Franse dreigement bij een Duitse keuze voor de F35A (en zelfs de F15E) staat nog duidelijk op mijn netvlies.

Dat de politiek dit weer recht zal (trachten te) brijen is ook een zekerheid, maar de vraag is of ze daar wel zin in hebben voor een interim oplossing.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/10/2019 | 14:40 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 24/10/2019 | 14:31 uur
Tsja, maar waar zit de Franse angst?
M.i. dat Duitsland na aankoop van 32 F35 denkt tot 2050 wel weer klaar te zijn. En Frankrijk trekt het niet zelfstandig. Met de Typhoon zijn de Fransen op tijd uitgestapt, de Britten (en andere gebruikers) hebben later de kosten betaald van het in gebreke blijven van de Duitsers.

Duitsland kan dan alleen klaar tot 2050 zijn als zij ook hun Typhoons up-to-date houden en tegen die tijd zijn de huidige echt op. Typhoons gereed houden is nu al een dingetje. Verder kan de Luftwaffe niet op slechts 1 Wing met F-35A leunen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 24/10/2019 | 16:46 uur
Ik denk dat we ondertussen zowat bij de laatste halte terechtgekomen zijn voordat in Europa geen andere keuze overblijft dan ofwel allemaal samenwerken... ofwel inkopen bij de Amerikanen...
De technologie, oftewel de R&D ervan, is ondertussen zo duur en ingewikkeld geworden dat landen moeten kiezen tussen ofwel een zeer duur eindproduct.
Daardoor komt men in die vicieuze cirkel van dure toestellen -> beperkte afname -> dure toestellen -> beperkte afname...

In The States hebben ze nog het geluk dat ze daar resoluut voor 'eigen technologie eerst' gaan en ze daardoor ook eigen bedrijven min of meer draaiende houden door die verkapte overheidssteun.
In Europa probeert men dat ook met Airbus (Helicopters), KNDS,...
De Britten doen ook nog een krampachtige poging maar hebben ook al moeten terrein prijsgeven... Die Tempest zie ik een stille dood sterven... vooral indien een volgende regering opeens moet besparen... Het moet ginds ook allemaal uit een steeds slinkend potje komen: de twee carriers mét vliegpark, nieuwe fregatten en bevoorraders, Trident-vervanging, landsystemen,...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/10/2019 | 18:18 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 24/10/2019 | 16:46 uur
Die Tempest zie ik een stille dood sterven... vooral indien een volgende regering opeens moet besparen... Het moet ginds ook allemaal uit een steeds slinkend potje komen: de twee carriers mét vliegpark, nieuwe fregatten en bevoorraders, Trident-vervanging, landsystemen,...

Team Tempest heeft inmiddels de Zweden en de Italianen aan boord. FCAS zie ik eerder een vroege dood sterven of gaan richting solo project van de Fransen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 25/10/2019 | 08:17 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 24/10/2019 | 16:46 uur
Ik denk dat we ondertussen zowat bij de laatste halte terechtgekomen zijn voordat in Europa geen andere keuze overblijft dan ofwel allemaal samenwerken... ofwel inkopen bij de Amerikanen...
De technologie, oftewel de R&D ervan, is ondertussen zo duur en ingewikkeld geworden dat landen moeten kiezen tussen ofwel een zeer duur eindproduct.
Daardoor komt men in die vicieuze cirkel van dure toestellen -> beperkte afname -> dure toestellen -> beperkte afname...

In The States hebben ze nog het geluk dat ze daar resoluut voor 'eigen technologie eerst' gaan en ze daardoor ook eigen bedrijven min of meer draaiende houden door die verkapte overheidssteun.
In Europa probeert men dat ook met Airbus (Helicopters), KNDS,...
De Britten doen ook nog een krampachtige poging maar hebben ook al moeten terrein prijsgeven... Die Tempest zie ik een stille dood sterven... vooral indien een volgende regering opeens moet besparen... Het moet ginds ook allemaal uit een steeds slinkend potje komen: de twee carriers mét vliegpark, nieuwe fregatten en bevoorraders, Trident-vervanging, landsystemen,...

Tempest sterven? Ehm no. Veel te veel nationale belangen. En alsof een fighter ontwikkelen alleen maar wat kost.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/10/2019 | 13:40 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 25/10/2019 | 13:13 uur
Doelde er meer op dat het groeipad voor de Typhoon volgens mij voor een groot deel door het wegvallen van Duitse financiën ernstig is vertraagd. Nieuwe radar en lucht grond capaciteiten hadden veel eerder ontwikkeld moeten worden.

Duitsland had kunnen aansluiten bij de updates die de RAF graag ziet. Het komt ook erg onduidelijk over wat Duitsland precies met hun Typhoons wil.

Citaat van: Thomasen op 25/10/2019 | 13:13 uur
Maar denk ook aan het kanon op het tiger. Hadden ze volgens mij ook niet echt haast mee. Dat soort schietdingen heb je toch alleen in oorlog nodig, en oorlog doen we niet meer.

De voorgaande BO-105 had met de anti-tank taak geen boordkanon en datzelfde paste Duitsland helaas ook toe op hun Tigers. Nu kunnen ze fijn ploeteren met een 12,7 mm gun pod op 1 van de 4 weapon stations  :sick:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/10/2019 | 14:42 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 25/10/2019 | 14:21 uur
Is het niet eigenlijk andersom?
Dus dat de Duitsers uit de ontwikkeling zijn gestapt die de Britten wel wilden. De gedachte EJ230 is er ook nog steeds niet volgens mij. Waar de Rafale capability op capability er bij kreeg, stond de Typhoon bijna stil. Hereniging met oost Duitsland was natuurlijk ook niet goedkoop, maar het is gewoon niet best als je ontwikkeling vervolgens stil staat.

Nee, de EJ230 is er nog steeds niet. Zowel de EJ200 van de Typhoon als de M88 van de Rafale zouden wel een upgrade mogen krijgen.

De aanvankelijke ontwikkeling is inderdaad niet door gegaan zoals gepland. De Britten doen nu een aantal zaken op eigen houtje.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/10/2019 | 10:17 uur
Van f-16.net forum m.b.t. Fins vervangingsproject.

Citaat25 Oct 2019, 15:37
Finnish test schedule at Pirkkala Airport (Tampere, Finland)

10 Jan Eurofighter, 2-3 units
21 Jan Rafale
30 Jan Gripen, E test unit and C
10 Feb F-35, 4 units (like in Switzerland)
19 Feb Super Hornet, 2 SH and 1 Growler

Each has 9 days, which may overlap a bit with with prev/next.

All active/passive sensors won't be used. Some will be displayed in the US. Pentagon hasn't yet even cleared to display Growler's full range of capabilities.

This event is about validating claims. What matters more in the eventual performance review is simulated war game.

https://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/a/ceba ... b64e408e72

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=25426&sid=e3b5c55307c8d1ae5b3cda17346a92ee&start=675

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/10/2019 | 09:28 uur
Contracts For Oct. 28, 2019

Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is awarded a $7,027,643,109 modification to a previously awarded firm-fixed-price, fixed-price-incentive-firm-target, cost-reimbursable contract (N00019-17-C-0001). This modification provides for the procurement of 114 F-35 aircraft for Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy; non-Department of Defense (DoD) participants, and Foreign Military Sales (FMS) customers. Specifically the modification procures 48 F-35A aircraft for the Air Force, 20 F-35B aircraft for the Marine Corps, nine F-35C aircraft for the Navy, 12 F-35A aircraft for the government of Norway, 15 F-35A aircraft for the government of Australia, and eight F-35A and two F-35B aircraft for the government of Italy. The above U.S. aircraft quantities are inclusive of fiscal 2019 (Lot 13) plus up aircraft. In addition, this modification adds scope for the Air System Diminishing Manufacturing Sources integration, software data loads, critical safety items, red gear, non-recurring engineering, recurring engineering and the Joint Strike Fighter Airborne Data Emulator. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (57%); El Segundo, California (14%); Warton, United Kingdom (9%); Cameri, Italy (4%); Orlando, Florida (4%); Nashua, New Hampshire (3%); Baltimore, Maryland (3%); San Diego, California (2%); Nagoya, Japan (2%); and various locations outside the continental U.S. (2%), and is expected to be completed in March 2023. Fiscal 2019 aircraft procurement (Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy); non-DoD participants; and FMS funds in the amount of $7,027,643,109 will be obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This modification combines purchases for the Air Force ($2,812,512,346); Marine Corps ($1,297,487,314); Navy ($612,389,812); non-DoD participants ($2,243,321,947); and FMS ($61,931,690) customers. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.

https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contracts/Contract/Article/2001094/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/10/2019 | 15:53 uur
Pentagon announces F-35 jet prices for next three years (F-35A vanaf 2021 onder de 80 miljoen USD)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lockheed-f35-idUSKBN1X81I5?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5db848544c15b8000149222f&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/10/2019 | 09:34 uur
Analysis: Brazil remains committed to naval fixed-wing combat component

https://www.janes.com/article/92210/analysis-brazil-remains-committed-to-naval-fixed-wing-combat-component
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/10/2019 | 09:35 uur
Lockheed Martin F-35A to be priced at $77.9m by 2022

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-martin-f-35a-to-be-priced-at-779m-by-2022-461870/

(https://newsassets.cirium.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=78858)
Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II arrives Vermont Air National Guard Base in Burlington  Lockheed Martin
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/10/2019 | 09:36 uur
USA approves $4.5bn upgrade package for 98 Japanese F-15Js

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usa-approves-45bn-upgrade-package-for-98-japanese-461875/

(https://newsassets.cirium.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=79314)
Japan Air Self-Defense Force F-15J Eagle at Misawa Air Base in Japan  USAF
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/10/2019 | 10:01 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 30/10/2019 | 09:35 uur
Lockheed Martin F-35A to be priced at $77.9m by 2022


Wat kost een kale (zonder toeters en bellen) Saab Gripen E/F tegenwoordig?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/10/2019 | 10:17 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/10/2019 | 10:01 uur
Wat kost een kale (zonder toeters en bellen) Saab Gripen E/F tegenwoordig?

Kan nergens een kale flyaway prijs van de JAS 39E/F Gripen vinden. De Braziliaanse order in 2015 is 4,68 miljard USD voor 36 stuks en dat is inclusief services e.d.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/brazil-finalises-468bn-gripen-ng-deal-416586/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/10/2019 | 18:26 uur
Unstoppable Stealth: 31 Pilots Told Us 9 Things They Love About the F-35 Fighter

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/unstoppable-stealth-31-pilots-told-us-9-things-they-love-about-f-35-fighter-92036
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 30/10/2019 | 18:53 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 30/10/2019 | 09:35 uur
Lockheed Martin F-35A to be priced at $77.9m by 2022

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-martin-f-35a-to-be-priced-at-779m-by-2022-461870/

(https://newsassets.cirium.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=78858)
Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II arrives Vermont Air National Guard Base in Burlington  Lockheed Martin

Hoe werkt dit dan? Ben je lekker mee als je een half jaar eerder je order plaatst.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 30/10/2019 | 19:00 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/10/2019 | 10:01 uur
Wat kost een kale (zonder toeters en bellen) Saab Gripen E/F tegenwoordig?

In 2016 was de stukprijs van een Gripen E $85 miljoen.

At $85 million apiece, the Gripen E is significantly cheaper than the F-35, making it an attractive alternative.

https://www.businessinsider.com/saab-f-35-competitor-gripen-e-2016-7?international=true&r=US&IR=T
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/10/2019 | 19:06 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 30/10/2019 | 19:00 uur
In 2016 was de stukprijs van een Gripen E $85 miljoen.

At $85 million apiece, the Gripen E is significantly cheaper than the F-35, making it an attractive alternative.

https://www.businessinsider.com/saab-f-35-competitor-gripen-e-2016-7?international=true&r=US&IR=T

Dat was in 2016  :cute-smile:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 30/10/2019 | 19:31 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/10/2019 | 19:06 uur
Dat was in 2016  :cute-smile:

Zullen in de toekomst nog goedkoper gaan worden want Brazilië gaat de Gripen in batches aankopen.

http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/2014-global-news-worldwide-world-international-air-force-aviation/november-2014-global-news-worldwide-world-international-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-defence-military-industry-/1303-brazil-military-could-buy-over-100-saabs-gripen-multirole-combat-aircraft.html

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/10/2019 | 20:00 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 30/10/2019 | 19:31 uur
Zullen in de toekomst nog goedkoper gaan worden want Brazilië gaat de Gripen in batches aankopen.


Ik ben niet onder de indruk, de collectieve teller staat (nu nog) op minder dan 100 exemplaren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 30/10/2019 | 21:16 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/10/2019 | 10:01 uur
Wat kost een kale (zonder toeters en bellen) Saab Gripen E/F tegenwoordig?
Een kaal (geen toeters en bellen) jachtvliegtuig dat uit de fabriek komt rollen, daar kan je niets mee. 
Zie het als de aanschaf van je fonkelnieuwe PC.  Je haalt het 1.100 Euro dure apparaat uit de doos, maar je hebt een nieuw internet abonnement nodig,  nieuwe rand-apparatuur als een modem, router, printer/ scanner, externe schijf.  Er moet nog allerlei extra software ten waarde honderden euro's worden geïnstalleerd.  Verrek, je hebt nog nooit gewerkt met MS Office, AutoCAD of 3D Experience, dus je moet wat cursussen gaan doen.  Eenmaal werkend ben je in totaal EUR 2.000 kwijt.

De Gripen E/F is een evolutionaire ontwikkeling op de Gripen C/D.

Bij de ontwikkeling van de F-35 kan men gerust spreken van een revolutionaire ontwikkeling.  Toen men begin deze eeuw begon met tekenen, waren zeven van de acht sleutel-technologieeen nog niet volwassen.    Het Joint Strike Fighter project is net als het TFX project in de jaren 60, dat leidde tot de F-111 Aardvark een "politiek idee".
Voeg de eisen van verschillende OPCO's samen in een universeel ontwerp, zodat daarvan grote aantallen gebouwd kunnen worden, dat zou de stuksprijs laag moeten houden. 
De business case van het JSF voorzag in snelle productie, die al moest beginnen tijdens de ontwikkelingsfase.  Niks meerdere assemblage -lijnen, maar een centrale assemblage lijn die net als in WO 2 jachtvliegtuigen vol continue als zoete broodjes uitspuugt.  Dat is goed voor de leer-curve en een hoge productie per tijdseenheid geeft veel cash-flow per jaar.
Oeps, de B-1B Lancer productie begon ook al, toen de bouwvakkers nog bezig waren met de afbouw van de fabriekshallen.  Bij de F-35 is er net als bij de B-1B een overlapping  (concurrency) tussen ontwikkeling en productie.   'Kom op love baby, laat dat kruipen maar zitten, we gaan gelijk proberen te rennen'.   Dat gaat natuurlijk fout, het apparaat is  al in aanbouw of gebouwd en dan moeten er nog heel wat wijzigingen in aangebracht worden.  Daar gaat je tijdschema en je begroting.  We zagen dat al bij het B-1B Lancer.  Om dat recht te trekken, moest er na de productie, nog heel wat aan versleuteld en verbouwd moest worden.   En dan nog, 'weef fouten' haal je niet zomaar uit je ontwerp, want onmogelijk of veel en veel te duur om ze er uit te halen.  Dus bleef de B-1B een notoir onbetrouwbaar en duur in de exploitatie wapensysteem.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 30/10/2019 | 21:26 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 30/10/2019 | 21:16 uur
Een kaal (geen toeters en bellen) jachtvliegtuig dat uit de fabriek komt rollen, daar kan je niets mee. 
Zie het als de aanschaf van je fonkelnieuwe PC.  Je haalt het 1.100 Euro dure apparaat uit de doos, maar je hebt een nieuw internet abonnement nodig,  nieuwe rand-apparatuur als een modem, router, printer/ scanner, externe schijf.  Er moet nog allerlei extra software ten waarde honderden euro's worden geïnstalleerd.  Verrek, je hebt nog nooit gewerkt met MS Office, AutoCAD of 3D Experience, dus je moet wat cursussen gaan doen.  Eenmaal werkend ben je in totaal EUR 2.000 kwijt.

MS Office heb ik vervangen door een gratis versie van Apache Open Office en dat bevalt goed. Een beetje goede laptop, chromebook heb je tegenwoordig al rond de €450. Een modem krijg je gratis in bruikleen van je internetprovider. Een bestaande printer/scanner kun je zonder probleem op  een nieuwe Laptop, chromebook gebruiken.

https://www.seniorweb.nl/software/openoffice
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 30/10/2019 | 21:45 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 30/10/2019 | 21:26 uur
MS Office heb ik vervangen door een gratis versie van Apache Open Office en dat bevalt goed. Een beetje goede laptop, chromebook heb je tegenwoordig al rond de €450. Een modem krijg je gratis in bruikleen van je internetprovider. Een bestaande printer/scanner kun je zonder probleem op  een nieuwe Laptop, chromebook gebruiken.

https://www.seniorweb.nl/software/openoffice

Zonder internet kun je met een Chromebook helemaal niks.  ;)

Maar idd, een beetje laptop is voorgeinstalleerd met allerlei programmatuur waarmee je direct aan de slag kunt. Niet dat het mijn keus is want de eerste actie die ik doe is: "Format c:" en volledig naar mijn smaak opbouwen en inrichten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/10/2019 | 21:57 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 30/10/2019 | 21:45 uur
Zonder internet kun je met een Chromebook helemaal niks.  ;)

Maar idd, een beetje laptop is voorgeinstalleerd met allerlei programmatuur waarmee je direct aan de slag kunt. Niet dat het mijn keus is want de eerste actie die ik doe is: "Format c:" en volledig naar mijn smaak opbouwen en inrichten.

Het is natuurlijk ook belangrijk om te weten hoe toekomstbestendig die notebook is. Kan ik mijn werkgeheugen uitbreiden naar 16GB of meer? Kan ik een M.2 NVMe SSD plaatsen? Welke grafische kaart zit erin?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 31/10/2019 | 08:58 uur
Indonesian Air Force to procure two F-16 Viper squadrons

The Indonesian Air Force (TNI AU) plans to acquire in stages two squadrons of super sophisticated fighter jets F-16 Block 72 Viper from Lockheed Martin until 2024.

.../...

https://en.antaranews.com/news/135508/indonesian-air-force-to-procure-two-f-16-viper-squadrons
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/10/2019 | 09:06 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 31/10/2019 | 08:58 uur
Indonesian Air Force to procure two F-16 Viper squadrons


Het lijkt er op dat de F16 familie, van wieg tot graf, de 100 jaar (!) gaat volmaken, best knap voor een kist die in eerste instantie ontworpen is als low budget lichtgewicht daglicht jager met een levensduur van 4.000 vlieguren!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/10/2019 | 09:38 uur
Lockheed Martin wins $25m contract for new F-35 anti-jamming GPS (GPS Spatial Temporal Anti-Jam Receiver (GSTAR) t.b.v. Block 4)

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-martin-wins-25m-contract-for-new-f-35-anti-461902/

(https://newsassets.cirium.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=77783)
Lockheed Martin F-35A  US Air Force
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/10/2019 | 10:35 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 30/10/2019 | 18:53 uur
Hoe werkt dit dan? Ben je lekker mee als je een half jaar eerder je order plaatst.

Zie onderstaand voorbeeld van Noorwegen.

Significant Price Reduction for Our New F-35 Fighter Aircraft Over the Next Few Years

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/207064/norway-welcomes-f_35-cost-reduction.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/11/2019 | 09:41 uur
How big production increases caused Lockheed Martin F-35 problems

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/how-big-production-increases-caused-lockheed-martin-461940/

(https://newsassets.cirium.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=77198)
F-35A Lightning II for maintenance at Eglin Air Force Base  US Air Force
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/11/2019 | 09:51 uur
F-22's Agile Developers to Deliver First Link 16 Capability Next Year (aantal verbeteringen voor de F-22)

http://airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/November%202019/F-22s-Agile-Developers-to-Deliver-First-Link-16-Capability-Next-Year.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/11/2019 | 09:56 uur
Finland formally advances bidders to next stage of fighter procurement (maximaal 10 miljard EUR)

https://www.janes.com/article/92321/finland-formally-advances-bidders-to-next-stage-of-fighter-procurement

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/321/92321/p1743741_main.jpg)
Finland's HX programme has advanced to the next stage for the replacement of the Boeing F/A-18C/D Hornet aircraft. Source: Finnish Air Force
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 02/11/2019 | 16:29 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/10/2019 | 09:06 uur
Het lijkt er op dat de F16 familie, van wieg tot graf, de 100 jaar (!) gaat volmaken, best knap voor een kist die in eerste instantie ontworpen is als low budget lichtgewicht daglicht jager met een levensduur van 4.000 vlieguren!
De F-16 Fighting Falcon heeft dan ook een prijs - prestatie verhouding die superieur is aan alles wat er 41 jaar geleden, heden en toekomstig op de jachtvliegtuig markt beschikbaar was en is.

Hoe komt dat ?  Harry Hillaker, de ontwerper van de F-111 Aardvark kreeg te maken met veel klagende vliegers.  Die klachten ontstonden niet tijdens oefeningen, maar door oorlogsmissies boven Vietnam.  In de US Air Force gold het adagium "Bigger is Better", want dan konden ze er meer vaardigheden, lees complexe avionica in kwijt.
In Vietnam bleek echter al die peppy apparatuur niet of niet naar behoren te werken
Het Tactical Fighter Experimental (TFX) project was een geesteskind van de politicus Robert McNamara.   Zijn idee was om een standaard gevechtsvliegtuig te ontwerpen, zodat deze in veel grotere aantallen gebouwd kon worden, welke de kostprijs per stuk flink zou verlagen.  Zodoende zou de vicieuze cirkel van al maar duurder wordende jachtvliegtuigen tegen steeds kleinere aantallen doorbroken kunnen worden.
Alle verschillende eisen werden opgestapeld.  Dus kreeg men een heel grote kist, die net als de F-35 te zwaar bleek.  En de Aardvark werd heel complex, dus peperduur.
Grote productie-aantallen kan je dan wel op je buik schrijven en na 563 stuks F-111 ging de productie-lijn dicht.

De ontwerper Harry Hillaker, kritische jachtvlieger veteranen en een analist besloten om de koppen bij elkaar te steken om een jachtvliegtuig te ontwerpen, welke wel effectief EN  efficient zou zijn en ook worden. 
Deze "Fighter Maffia" deed in feite hetzelfde als de Gouden Driehoek in onze marine scheepsbouw.  ;)

Hier een interview met Harry Hillaker: http://www.codeonemagazine.com/article.html?item_id=37

Maar hebben we daarvan geleerd ?

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/11/2019 | 16:49 uur
En dan waren er ook nog eens twee kampen. De kant van de F-15 en van de F-16.

In dit topic is de ontwikkeling van de F-15 (1964-1972) terug te vinden in reactie #3499.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 02/11/2019 | 17:00 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/10/2019 | 09:06 uur
Het lijkt er op dat de F16 familie, van wieg tot graf, de 100 jaar (!) gaat volmaken, best knap voor een kist die in eerste instantie ontworpen is als low budget lichtgewicht daglicht jager met een levensduur van 4.000 vlieguren!

Tot 2065? Zie ik niet gebeuren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/11/2019 | 17:20 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 02/11/2019 | 17:00 uur
Tot 2065? Zie ik niet gebeuren.

Je weet het niet. Er zijn nu allerlei type vliegtuigen die 60 jaar of langer worden gebruikt. Zolang er vraag naar de F-16 is, is er kans op een MLU en wordt ook de totale historische gebruiksduur van de F-16 verlengd.

Wie had kunnen vermoeden dat 61 jaar na de eerste vlucht van de F-4 Phantom II deze nog steeds vliegt? De F-15 gaat ook hard die kant op.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 02/11/2019 | 17:35 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 02/11/2019 | 17:20 uur
Je weet het niet. Er zijn nu allerlei type vliegtuigen die 60 jaar of langer worden gebruikt. Zolang er vraag naar de F-16 is, is er kans op een MLU en wordt ook de totale historische gebruiksduur van de F-16 verlengd.

Wie had kunnen vermoeden dat 61 jaar na de eerste vlucht van de F-4 Phantom II deze nog steeds vliegt? De F-15 gaat ook hard die kant op.

Dat is nog steeds lang geen 100 jaar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/11/2019 | 17:40 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 02/11/2019 | 17:35 uur
Dat is nog steeds lang geen 100 jaar.

Fabrieksnieuwe modellen worden tot ver in de jaren twintig afgeleverd (indien India voor deze kist gaat zeker tot begin dertig), tel hier 40 exploitatie jaren bij en we zitten al ver in de jaren zestig, misschien zelfs zeventig.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 02/11/2019 | 18:00 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/11/2019 | 17:40 uur
Fabrieksnieuwe modellen worden tot ver in de jaren twintig afgeleverd (indien India voor deze kist gaat zeker tot begin dertig), tel hier 40 exploitatie jaren bij en we zitten al ver in de jaren zestig, misschien zelfs zeventig.

Zelfs een land als India heeft in 2040 echt wel door dat ze feitelijk met een soort Fokker Dr.I vliegen. Leuk voor de airshows maar dan houdt het ook goed op.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/11/2019 | 18:37 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 02/11/2019 | 18:00 uur
Zelfs een land als India heeft in 2040 echt wel door dat ze feitelijk met een soort Fokker Dr.I vliegen. Leuk voor de airshows maar dan houdt het ook goed op.

Nieuwe oud model kisten kopen, met 0 uren op de teller die minimaal 8.000 vlieguren kunnen maken zullen wellicht wat langer mee moeten dan 10 jaar.

Wat mij betreft heb je gelijk door te stellen dat ze voor aankoop al verouderd zijn, laat staan mee kunnen in de jaren vanaf 2040.

Wellicht degraderen ze snel na (eventuele) aankoop tot CAS kist, slechts effectief te gebruiken bij behaald luchtoverwicht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 02/11/2019 | 18:56 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 02/11/2019 | 18:20 uur
Aangezien ze nu en de komende 15 jaar nog vertrouwen op Jaguars, MIG21's en MIG27's vinden ze dat wel prima.

De MIG-21 is de oudste van de club, first flight 1956 en wordt in 2021/ 2022 uitgefaseerd (https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/mig-21-a-relic-that-continues-to-fly/623650.html).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 02/11/2019 | 21:41 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 02/11/2019 | 19:58 uur
Die gasten hebben het niet breed. Staan vrijwel alleen tegenover China en Pakistan en hebben nog talloze complexe binnenlandse conflicten.

En met te weinig en te oude museum meuk. Ben niet jaloers. En dat alles met een bureaucratie die erger lijkt dan die van de Duitsers. Niet best hoor.
De MIG21 moet door die Gehad vervangen worden, maar echt van de grond komen wil dat ook nog niet.

Die MIG-21 is gewoon een drama ding, meer dan de helft van de Indiase toestellen is neergestort of was wat mee. De Russen hebben hem niet voor niets in de jaren 80 al uitgefaseerd... Zie ook dat verhaal in mijn link:

Citaat
The crash of the MiG-21 fighter jet near Kangra in Himachal Pradesh again shows how slow-decision making had led to the obsolete MiG-21 staying on in Indian Air Force (IAF) fleet.

India purchased 874 MiG-21s since 1963 the avionics, missiles and radars vary in each of the versions.  Of these nearly 490 were involved in accidents or crashes killing almost 200 pilots.

Russia stopped producing these machines in 1985, 33 years ago -- and Indian planes have been kept flying by refurbishing or upgrading -- them.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 03/11/2019 | 04:18 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/11/2019 | 18:37 uur
Nieuwe oud model kisten kopen, met 0 uren op de teller die minimaal 8.000 vlieguren kunnen maken zullen wellicht wat langer mee moeten dan 10 jaar.

Wat mij betreft heb je gelijk door te stellen dat ze voor aankoop al verouderd zijn, laat staan mee kunnen in de jaren vanaf 2040.

Wellicht degraderen ze snel na (eventuele) aankoop tot CAS kist, slechts effectief te gebruiken bij behaald luchtoverwicht.
Van de supercruisende 'ATF' (Advanced Tactical Fighter project) zouden er oorspronkelijk 1.100 stuks gebouwd gaan worden.
In 1985 moest het 'ATF' plotseling ook steels / Low Observable worden.  Radar absorberende / deflecterende constructies zijn vaak niet de meest aërodynamische oplossingen.
En radar absorberende materialen betekenen honderden kilo's extra leeggewicht.  Deze gewichtstoename werd 'opgelost' door het  'ATF' kleiner te maken dan het niet-LO / steelse origineel, dit ging wel ten koste van de "supercruise" prestaties.   Er is daarnaast ook een directe relatie tussen leeggewicht en kostprijs en men hoopte zo ook de kosten beperkt te houden.
Oeps, het geplande productie aantal ging echter daarna al snel naar 750 stuks.  De USAF koos de F-22A, maar de kosten waren al flink uit de hand gelopen, men richtte zich toen op het minimum aantal benodigde Raptors, is 384 kisten.   De kosten bleven maar stijgen, dus de planning ging naar 277 en vervolgens slechts 187 / 193 stuks.
Van de B-2A Spirit had men oorspronkelijk een vloot van 132 kisten op het oog, maar dat daalde tot slechts 20 stuks.  Die te kleine B-2A vloot heeft echter een klein en smerig
geheimpje: ze hebben een sortie generation rate van 1 week.  Met andere woorden: ze vliegen gemiddeld slechts 1 sortie per week.   Dat komt omdat onderhoud en reparatie van de delicate Radar Absorbent Materials en constructies heel veel tijd opslurpt.
Bij de  F-22A en F-35 heeft men gelukkig die zware onderhoudslast kunnen verminderen.  Maar feit blijft dat een Low Observable kist duidelijk meer onderhoud vergt dan een non-LO kist.  Dus kleine of te kleine vloten, die ook nog eens relatief langer in de hangar staan.

Een krijgsmacht heeft echter ook voldoende "massa" / numerieke aantallen nodig.
Bijvoorbeeld de US Air Force en de luchtmachten van Griekenland en Israel hebben dan ook aangegeven, dat ze gemoderniseerde varianten van de F-15 en F-16 naast de F-35 blijven gebruiken.
Dit geldt ook voor India, die hebben heel veel vierkante kilometers luchtruim te verdedigen.  Een vloot F-35A's die die grote oppervlakte effectief kan beschermen, is eenvoudig weg onbetaalbaar.

Zowel na de Golfoorlog van '91 en ops Allied Force in 1999.  Gingen landen zoals Rusland, China en India het optreden van de Westerse luchtmachten, lees vooral de Amerikaanse luchtstrijdkrachten, analyseren.   De NAVO luchtmachten zetten toen in op de overgang naar Beyond Visual Range (BVR) lucht-lucht operaties en lucht-grond ops boven de 15.000 voet door middel van Precision Guided Munitions (PGM's).  De Coalition luchtstrijdkrachten konden net als in WO 2 efficient en effectief zijn.  Als ze de beschikking hadden over voldoende vellige vliegbases die niet verder dan 500 nm (nautical miles) / 926 km van de doelwitten lagen.  Werden de afstanden groter dan 926 km, dan nam de "sortie generation rate" dramatisch af.

Bovengenoemde landen gingen dan ook een strategie, doctrine en vervolgens middelen verwerven, die de Westerse luchtoorlogvoering moeten kunnen neutraliseren.
In Centraal-Europa zijn de gemiddelde afstanden tussen potentiële doelwitten en vliegbases 400 nm / 740 kilometer.
Het mag dan ook geen verwondering opwekken dat het bereik van bijvoorbeeld de quasi-ballistische Iskander raket rond die 740 km ligt.
En bovengenoemde landen gingen extra investeren in o.a. Elektronische Oorlog Voering (EOV), om zodoende de Westerse BVR en PGM dreiging tegen te gaan.
De F-22A en F-35 hebben zeer goede tot uitmuntende BVR capaciteiten.  Maar, wat als een tegenvoeter voldoende EOV capaciteit en vaardigheden op de mat weet te brengen.
Die die BVR vaardigheden en / of de dreiging van "double-digit" SAM systemen weet te neutraliseren ?

Dan is het te hopen dat we voldoende "massa" hebben in de vorm van relatief goedkope en betrouwbare Within Visual Range (WVR) kisten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 03/11/2019 | 11:45 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 03/11/2019 | 04:18 uur
Die te kleine B-2A vloot heeft echter een klein en smerig
geheimpje: ze hebben een sortie generation rate van 1 week.  Met andere woorden: ze vliegen gemiddeld slechts 1 sortie per week.   Dat komt omdat onderhoud en reparatie van de delicate Radar Absorbent Materials en constructies heel veel tijd opslurpt.

Bron?

Sowieso was een van de upgrades van de B2 het verbeteren van de RAM zodat de sortie generation rate verbeterd werd. Tijdens OAF 1999 (Operation Allied Force/ Kosovo Air Campaign) had men een per aircraft sortie rate van 1 per 3 a 4 dagen... Dat is al beter dan die week van jou, daarbij vloog de B2 slechts 1% van alle sorties maar heeft wel 11% van alle bommen gedropt en is enorm effectief gebleken.

Citaat
The performance of the B-2 exceeded the expectations of even its most ardent fan (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:uV2zZmD41GIJ:www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Documents/1999/October%25201999/1099stealth.pdf+&cd=11&hl=nl&ct=clnk&gl=nl)

B-2A Spirit Units in Combat (https://books.google.nl/books?id=G8PvCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT68&lpg=PT68&dq=%22sortie+generation%22+B2+spirit&source=bl&ots=0lm78Z6k_p&sig=ACfU3U054uvdOhod-YAmxvTL5ba95QqIRQ&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjnnfbo5s3lAhViVBUIHVhmAo04ChDoATAGegQIBxAB#v=onepage&q&f=false)

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.upl.co%2Fuploads%2F1816552B211572777591.png&hash=1157f6f9386e463041d356b3699e9a25e8f99ec0)
(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.upl.co%2Fuploads%2F1010568B221572777591.png&hash=0908be790f59f907acb90d386f003fbdb2a6650e)

Citaat
In Centraal-Europa zijn de gemiddelde afstanden tussen potentiële doelwitten en vliegbases 400 nm / 740 kilometer.
Het mag dan ook geen verwondering opwekken dat het bereik van bijvoorbeeld de quasi-ballistische Iskander raket rond die 740 km ligt.

Dat gaat de Iskander-M zeker niet halen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 03/11/2019 | 20:27 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 03/11/2019 | 11:45 uur
Bron?

Sowieso was een van de upgrades van de B2 het verbeteren van de RAM zodat de sortie generation rate verbeterd werd. Tijdens OAF 1999 (Operation Allied Force/ Kosovo Air Campaign) had men een per aircraft sortie rate van 1 per 3 a 4 dagen... Dat is al beter dan die week van jou, daarbij vloog de B2 slechts 1% van alle sorties maar heeft wel 11% van alle bommen gedropt en is enorm effectief gebleken.

Dat gaat de Iskander-M zeker niet halen.
De B-2A sortie generation rate van 1 week is een citaat uit een Air International maandblad van ruwweg 2014 (exact nr. onbekend), van de bekende US Air Force veteraan, oud-diplomaat en auteur wijlen Robert F. Dorr.

Officieel heeft de Iskander-M een bereik van 400 - 500 km.  Echter, in Polen en de Baltische staten wordt vermoed dat de Iskander-M een groter bereik heeft van 700 km.
Dit wordt dan onderbouwt met de afstanden tussen mogelijke doelwitten en mogelijke lanceerplaatsen in Centraal-Europa.

Vergelijken we de Noord-Koreaanse KN-23 met de Iskander-M:

lengte:                    7,5 m.                                     7,3 m.
diameter:                0.95 m.                                   0,93 m.
lanceer gewicht:     3.415 kg                                  3.800 - 4.020 kg
nuttige lading:           500 kg                                   480 - 700 kg
bereik:                      690 km                                  400 - 500 km

Dan is het (theoretisch) niet onmogelijk om met een Islander-M, die voorzien is van een oorlogskop van 480 kg, een bereik van rond de 700 km te halen.
bron KN-23:   https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/kn-23/
bron Iskander-M:  https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/ss-26-2/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 03/11/2019 | 21:38 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 03/11/2019 | 20:27 uur
De B-2A sortie generation rate van 1 week is een citaat uit een Air International maandblad van ruwweg 2014 (exact nr. onbekend), van de bekende US Air Force veteraan, oud-diplomaat en auteur wijlen Robert F. Dorr.

Zoals je kunt lezen denkt Lt Gen Bussiere (tijdens OAF Lt Col Bussiere) er anders over.

Citaat
Officieel heeft de Iskander-M een bereik van 400 - 500 km.  Echter, in Polen en de Baltische staten wordt vermoed dat de Iskander-M een groter bereik heeft van 700 km.
Dit wordt dan onderbouwt met de afstanden tussen mogelijke doelwitten en mogelijke lanceerplaatsen in Centraal-Europa.

Vergelijken we de Noord-Koreaanse KN-23 met de Iskander-M:

lengte:                    7,5 m.                                     7,3 m.
diameter:                0.95 m.                                   0,93 m.
lanceer gewicht:     3.415 kg                                  3.800 - 4.020 kg
nuttige lading:           500 kg                                   480 - 700 kg
bereik:                      690 km                                  400 - 500 km

Dan is het (theoretisch) niet onmogelijk om met een Islander-M, die voorzien is van een oorlogskop van 480 kg, een bereik van rond de 700 km te halen.
bron KN-23:   https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/kn-23/
bron Iskander-M:  https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/ss-26-2/

Ik ken de gegevens en de systemen die op missilethreat staan wees maar niet bang, iets met core business van die club uit de Peel. Met dat in het achterhoofd weet je ook dat ik de beschikking heb over "andere" gegevens.

En oh ja, de Pershing had een bereik van 740km.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/11/2019 | 10:42 uur
Geen IRIS-T voor de Noorse F-35A.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIeQWcmXYAEI9Ko.jpg:large)

https://twitter.com/milforum/status/1191079346955575296
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 04/11/2019 | 10:49 uur
Ik kom er niet uit met je bron, maar het eerste wat ik denk is no good. Een en hetzelfde model lijkt me een stuk beter, maar welke capaciteiten heeft het apparaat nu niet?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 04/11/2019 | 10:50 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 04/11/2019 | 10:42 uur
Geen IRIS-T voor de Noorse F-35A.

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=F35&src=typd
Linkje klopt idd niet...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/11/2019 | 10:56 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 04/11/2019 | 10:49 uur
Ik kom er niet uit met je bron, maar het eerste wat ik denk is no good. Een en hetzelfde model lijkt me een stuk beter, maar welke capaciteiten heeft het apparaat nu niet?

Citaat van: StrataNL op 04/11/2019 | 10:50 uur
Linkje klopt idd niet...

Link is aangepast.

Noorwegen kiest in ieder geval voor het gemak van de AIM-9X en ASRAAM is op dit moment het enigste alternatief. Zouden zij wel de IRIS-T aan het F-35 wapenarsenaal willen toevoegen, dan draaien zij voor de kosten op.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/11/2019 | 12:56 uur
NATO Code Name "FELON": Russian Su-57 Gets Its Reporting Name, And It Couldn't Be Better.

https://theaviationist.com/2019/11/01/nato-code-name-felon-su-57-gets-its-reporting-name-and-it-couldnt-be-better/

(https://i0.wp.com/theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/FELON_30.jpg?resize=706%2C494&ssl=1)
A Sukhoi Su-57 NATO reporting name, "FELON", creates a massive vapor cloud at MAKS 2019 outside Moscow. (All photos: TheAviationist)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/11/2019 | 14:37 uur
FCAS partners report good concept-study progress, expect demonstrator phase to begin shortly

https://www.janes.com/article/92338/fcas-partners-report-good-concept-study-progress-expect-demonstrator-phase-to-begin-shortly

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/338/92338/p1758031.jpg)
A full-scale mock-up of the New Generation Fighter concept was showcased by Dassault on the opening day of the Paris Air Show. (IHS Markit/Gareth Jennings)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/11/2019 | 15:24 uur
Captor-E AESA Upgrades for Bundeswehr's Eurofighters from 2022

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/25772/Captor_E_AESA_Upgrades_for_Bundeswehr___s_Eurofighters_from_2022

(https://www.defenseworld.net/uploads//news/big/captor-e__1572864967.jpg)
Captor-E AESA radar (image: Hensoldt)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/11/2019 | 09:28 uur
US Navy picks Raytheon and BAE for F/A-18 towed decoy competition

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-navy-picks-raytheon-and-bae-for-fa-18-towed-deco-461993/

(https://newsassets.cirium.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=79331)
BAE Systems towed decoy rendering  BAE Systems
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/11/2019 | 14:02 uur
Bullet Background Paper on 2019 USAF F-35A Maneuvers Package (14.500 pounds brandstof voor een high show)

https://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/airshow/media/military/AETC_F-35_Demo_Maneuvers_Package.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/11/2019 | 21:19 uur
Goodbye Edwards, hello Nellis (31 TES is klaar met de F-35 IOT&E op Edwards AFB)

https://www.edwards.af.mil/News/Article/2002693/goodbye-edwards-hello-nellis/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 06/11/2019 | 08:39 uur
Finland warns fighter contenders to keep their budget-busting offers real

Finland has issued a formal notification to industry candidates in its multibillion-dollar fighter program, urging them to keep their proposals within the prescribed budget constraints.

"We do not envisage that we will see withdrawals because of the revised request for quotations. We expect no change there," said Lauri Puranen, who directs the Finnish Air Forces' HX-fighter program. He said the move was meant simply to stress the need for all of the five international contenders to respect the program's €10 billion, or $11.1 billion, limit.

Defense officials here have conceded that all five bidders, including Saab (Gripen), Dassault Rafale, the pan-European Eurofighter Typhoon, Boeing (F/A-18 Super Hornet), Lockheed Martin (F-35) have struggled with the project's rigid budgetary ceiling.

"The budget set for the HX project has been an issue for all bidders and candidate aircraft," said Maj. Gen. Kari Renko, the deputy chief of the Finnish Defense Force's Logistics Command.

.../...

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/11/05/finland-warns-fighter-contenders-to-keep-their-budget-busting-offers-real/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/11/2019 | 09:55 uur
Swiss Social Democrats propose split fighter acquisition (keuze van de Zwitserse Sociaal Democraten is de M-346FA  :dead:)

https://www.janes.com/article/92366/swiss-social-democrats-propose-split-fighter-acquisition
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/11/2019 | 09:58 uur
Germany to replace early Eurofighters under Project Quadriga

https://www.janes.com/article/92375/germany-to-replace-early-eurofighters-under-project-quadriga

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/375/92375/p1457249.jpg)
The Luftwaffe is to retire its 38 Tranche 1 Eurofighters and replace them with Tranche 3 aircraft fitted to the new Quadriga configuration. (Airbus)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/11/2019 | 10:00 uur
Airbus proposes ECR/SEAD Eurofighter, emphasises German requirement

https://www.janes.com/article/92377/airbus-proposes-ecr-sead-eurofighter-emphasises-german-requirement

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/377/92377/p1726177.jpg)
Seen in front of a Eurofighter, the AARGM anti-radiation missile could be integrated onto an ECR/SEAD-equipped aircraft for the Luftwaffe should the consortium secure the Tornado replacement requirement. While the AARGM was not shown in an Airbus briefing on the planned configuration, its high-speed and long range would make it critical to any SEAD mission in a heavily-contested environment. (IHS Markit/Gareth Jennings)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/11/2019 | 13:39 uur
IOC status bereikt voor de Noorse F-35A.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu.no%2Fartikler%2Fhistorisk-melding-fra-generalen-fra-i-dag-er-vare-f-35-kampklare%2F478198

Oorspronkelijke bericht:
https://www.tu.no/artikler/historisk-melding-fra-generalen-fra-i-dag-er-vare-f-35-kampklare/478198

Edit. Officieel bericht van Noors ministerie van defensie.

Major Milestone: Norway declares IOC for F-35A

https://www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuelt/major-milestone-norway-declares-ioc-for-f-35a/id2676740/?_lrsc=5e85a944-b655-444d-9f52-da61a768fb7f
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/11/2019 | 09:35 uur
New Electronic Attack Jammer Pod Tested on Gripen

https://euro-sd.com/2019/11/news/15151/new-electronic-attack-jammer-pod-tested-on-gripen/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/11/2019 | 09:37 uur
MFS-EW system provides the invisible shield for Gripen E

https://www.jed-digital.com/jedm/1119_november_2019/MobilePagedArticle.action?articleId=1533269#articleId1533269

(https://images-cdn.dashdigital.com/jedm/1119_november_2019/data/articles/img/042.jpg)

(https://images-cdn.dashdigital.com/jedm/1119_november_2019/data/articles/img/042-01.jpg)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/11/2019 | 10:57 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 06/11/2019 | 10:00 uur
Airbus proposes ECR/SEAD Eurofighter, emphasises German requirement

https://www.janes.com/article/92377/airbus-proposes-ecr-sead-eurofighter-emphasises-german-requirement

Airbus DS plans for an Electronic Combat Reconnaissance (ECR)/Suppression of Enemy Air Defences (SEAD) version of the Eurofighter to replace the Luftwaffe's Tornado ECR aircraft. This Tornado ECR replacement covers 40 aircraft as part of the wider Tornado IDR/ECR replacement programme for 85 aircraft.


Dit kan voor Duitsland een aantrekkelijke optie zijn, zeker met de uitfasering van hun Tranche 1 toestellen. En deze te vervangen door Tranche 3 met ECR/SEAD toepassingen.
Maar nog steeds geen B61 mogelijkheden, dus hierin moet er nog steeds een certificeringstraject doorlopen worden.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/11/2019 | 09:55 uur
USAF to Unveil Fighter Comms Translator, Command and Control App (voor communicatie tussen F-22 en F-35)

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/November%202019/USAF-to-Unveil-Fighter-Comms-Translator-Command-and-Control-App.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/11/2019 | 10:31 uur
Boeing confirms it is taking part in Canada's future fighter jet competition (deze Canadese soap heeft nu wel lang genoeg geduurd  :sick:)

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/boeing-confirms-it-is-taking-part-in-canadas-future-fighter-jet-competition
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/11/2019 | 11:28 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/11/2019 | 10:31 uur
Boeing confirms it is taking part in Canada's future fighter jet competition (deze Canadese soap heeft nu wel lang genoeg geduurd  :sick:)

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/boeing-confirms-it-is-taking-part-in-canadas-future-fighter-jet-competition

And the show goes on....  :hrmph: ... nog 3 deelnemers .. F-35A, F-18E/H/G en de Gripen E/F

Tja .. vanuit de F-35 Coalitie/participatie gezien .....   de F-35A
...........vanuit de belofte van Justin Trudeau gezien ...  geen F-35A

We zullen zien, hoe er politiek gedraaid zal worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/11/2019 | 12:16 uur
New Hardware to Fix Bug in $400,000 F-35 Pilot Helmets (toepassing van OLED technologie)

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/25805/New_Hardware_to_Fix_Bug_in__400_000_F_35_Pilot_Helmets#.XclBwG5FyUk
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/11/2019 | 17:20 uur
Germany to Buy More Eurofighters, Retrofit AESA Radar to Others

Germany Seeks AESA Radar for Tranche 2-3 Eurofighters, Plus Additional Aircraft

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/207392/germany-to-buy-more-eurofighters%2C-retrofit-aesa-radar-to-others.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/11/2019 | 09:31 uur
Russian VKS to receive its first Su-57 in late 2019

https://www.janes.com/article/92514/russian-vks-to-receive-its-first-su-57-in-late-2019

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/514/92514/p1721534.jpg)
The VKS is scheduled to receive its first Sukhoi Su-57 before the end of 2019. (Sukhoi)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/11/2019 | 09:32 uur
Revised RFI anticipated for German Tornado replacement to accommodate electronic attack mission

https://www.janes.com/article/92518/revised-rfi-anticipated-for-german-tornado-replacement-to-accommodate-electronic-attack-mission

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/518/92518/p1742390.jpg)
A concept of Eurofighter ECR platform displayed at IQPC International Fighter Conference 2019. Airbus expects the German government to issue an updated RFI to include the electronic attack mission in its Tornado replacement requirement. (Airbus via IHS Markit/Gareth Jennings)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/11/2019 | 09:40 uur
France lays out Rafale upgrade path to 2070

https://www.janes.com/article/92555/france-lays-out-rafale-upgrade-path-to-2070

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/555/92555/p1734511.jpg)
With the first F3R-standard Rafales now entering service, the French Air Force and French Navy have a roadmap to improvement that should take the platform out to about 2070. (Dassault)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/11/2019 | 09:42 uur
EA-18G Growler upgrades under test

https://www.janes.com/article/92557/ea-18g-growler-upgrades-under-test

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/557/92557/p1761195.jpg)
The first NGJ-MB pod is seen being fit checked on a VX-23 EA-18G Growler in September. (USN)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/11/2019 | 09:48 uur
Lawmakers Cooling on F-35 Multi-Year Production Contracts

https://news.usni.org/2019/11/13/lawmakers-cooling-on-f-35-multi-year-production-contracts
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/11/2019 | 10:05 uur
Further F-35 ALIS Fixes in Progress as Pentagon Tackles Jet Costs

http://airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/November%202019/Further-F-35-ALIS-Fixes-in-Progress-as-Pentagon-Tackles-Jet-Costs.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/11/2019 | 13:07 uur
Pentagon, Lockheed Martin continue dispute over F-35 intellectual property rights

https://www.janes.com/article/92571/pentagon-lockheed-martin-continue-dispute-over-f-35-intellectual-property-rights

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/571/92571/p1700279_main.jpg)
The ongoing conflict between Lockheed Martin and the US Air Force over F-35 IP rights has contributed to the recently announced full rate production decision delay. Source: US Air Force
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 14/11/2019 | 17:02 uur
F-35 Operational Evaluation Suspended, Will Not Resume Before Mid-2020

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/207447/f_35-operational-evaluation-suspended-until-mid_2020-as-doubts-grow.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/11/2019 | 09:54 uur
F-35 Mission Capable Rates Up for All Variants, Lord Tells HASC

http://airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/November%202019/F-35-Mission-Capable-Rates-Up-for-All-Variants-Lord-Tells-HASC.aspx
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/11/2019 | 10:06 uur
Eurofighter publiceert sinds juni 2013 Eurofighter World.

Overzicht van alle uitgaven.

https://www.eurofighter.com/multimedia/magazine?page=1

Eurofighter World November 2019

https://www.eurofighter.com/files/magazine/Eurofighter_World_11_2019.pdf

(https://www.eurofighter.com/files/thumbs/mmMag/ew2-2019.jpg)

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/11/2019 | 13:17 uur
Belarus receives first pair of Su-30SM aircraft

https://www.janes.com/article/92589/belarus-receives-first-pair-of-su-30sm-aircraft

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/589/92589/p1742667.jpg)
Belarus has received the first two of 12 Su-30SM combat aircraft it ordered in 2017. (Belarusian MoD)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/11/2019 | 13:19 uur
Philippines reveal multirole fighter options

https://www.janes.com/article/92568/philippines-reveal-multirole-fighter-options

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/568/92568/p1526302.jpg)
The Gripen is one of four multirole fighter types being considered for the PAF to enhance its air defence and border protection capabilities. (Czech Ministry of Defence)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/11/2019 | 10:22 uur
DUBAI: RAF to use Typhoon as 'testbed' for Tempest development

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/dubai-raf-to-use-typhoon-as-testbed-for-tempest-d-462280/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/11/2019 | 10:23 uur
DUBAI: Raytheon Joint Standoff Weapon to be certificated for F-35A (AGM-154 JSOW)

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/dubai-raytheon-joint-standoff-weapon-to-be-certific-462320/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/11/2019 | 10:22 uur
Na de combat coded eenheden 388th Fighter Wing (USAF)/419th Fighter Wing (AFRes) van Hill AFB en 158th Fighter Wing (ANG) van Burlington ANGB is 354th Fighter Wing van Eielson AFB aan de beurt.

@lisamurkowski (Senator)

CitaatSeeing the very first F-35 "Alaska One" off the production line was an exciting milestone, but I look forward to seeing it at its new home in Alaska even more.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJsVbOTXYAEFfOc.jpg)

https://twitter.com/lisamurkowski/status/1196573696686723073
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/11/2019 | 10:26 uur
354th FW Airmen develop, test new F-35A arctic survival kit

https://www.eielson.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2017331/354th-fw-airmen-develop-test-new-f-35a-arctic-survival-kit/

(https://media.defense.gov/2019/Nov/14/2002211360/780/780/0/191105-F-RQ072-1102.JPG)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/11/2019 | 10:37 uur
The Odds of Canada Buying a Bunch of F-35s Just Went Up

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/odds-canada-buying-bunch-f-35s-just-went-97297
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 19/11/2019 | 11:17 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 19/11/2019 | 10:37 uur
The Odds of Canada Buying a Bunch of F-35s Just Went Up

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/odds-canada-buying-bunch-f-35s-just-went-97297

ach ja ... het gaat precies volgens planning van de "onder tafel handje klap" politiek.
gewoon kwestie van de lange adem .....

and the winner is ... F-35A
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/11/2019 | 11:30 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 19/11/2019 | 11:17 uur
ach ja ... het gaat precies volgens planning van de "onder tafel handje klap" politiek.
gewoon kwestie van de lange adem .....

and the winner is ... F-35A

De ironie als Trudeau dat laatste zegt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 19/11/2019 | 11:43 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 19/11/2019 | 11:30 uur
De ironie als Trudeau dat laatste zegt.

precies ..., waarschijnlijk straks met de zin ;

De beste keus voor de beste prijs, 5th generatie en toekomst gericht, interoperabel met onze NAVO partners, en het beste voor zakelijk Canada.     
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/11/2019 | 13:34 uur
F-35 Program Update November 13, 2019

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/AS/AS03/20191113/110184/HHRG-116-AS03-Wstate-UlmerG-20191113.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/11/2019 | 13:59 uur
Dubai Airshow 2019: China's Chengdu promotes J-10C export variant

https://www.janes.com/article/92790/dubai-airshow-2019-china-s-chengdu-promotes-j-10c-export-variant

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/790/92790/p1742701.jpg)
A model of the FC-20E, displayed at the Dubai Airshow. (Reuben Johnson)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/11/2019 | 09:43 uur
South Korea to integrate MBDA's Meteor missile onto KF-X fighter aircraft

MBDA has been awarded a contract from Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) for the integration of the Meteor beyond visual range air-to-air missile onto the KF-X future Korean fighter aircraft.

The contract includes integration support to KAI, transfer of know-how and manufacture of test equipment for the KF-X integration and trials campaign.

Meteor is the world's most advanced air-to-air missile, and has a unique ramjet propulsion system that allows it to fly further and faster than any other air-to-air missile – allowing it to defeat manoeuvring targets even at extreme ranges.

Éric Béranger, CEO of MBDA, said: "We're very pleased to mark this next and important step in our partnership with KAI and the Korean Defence Acquisition Program Administration. South Korea is a strategic market for MBDA, and we're proud that Meteor will be providing KF-X with the world's most potent air-to-air capability."

https://www.mbda-systems.com/press-releases/south-korea-to-integrate-mbdas-meteor-missile-onto-kf-x-fighter-aircraft/

(https://www.mbda-systems.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/METEOR-on-KF-X-%C2%A9-Korea-Aerospace-Industries-300x169.png)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/11/2019 | 10:05 uur
Boeing Offers Industrial Benefits Package in Canadian Fighter Jet Bid  ( niet geschoten is altijd mis ... )

.../...

Boeing's more direct industrial benefits package will certainly boost to the company's offering, but economic benefits only make up 20 percent of the bid evaluation. Cost will make up another 20 percent. Lockheed has been gradually bringing down the F-35 unit cost, but long-term maintenance costs for the F-35 are still higher than those of legacy aircraft.

The remaining 60 percent of the bid evaluation will be based on technical merit. Critics have argued that the technical portion of the program favors the F-35, as the solicitation places an emphasis on strategic attack and ground attack overseas.


.../...


https://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/207685/boeing-offers-offset-package-in-canadian-fighter-jet-bid.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/11/2019 | 08:24 uur
U.S. Ambassador Denmark wants kingdom to buy more F-35s

http://cphpost.dk/news/us-wants-denmark-to-buy-more-fighter-jets.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/11/2019 | 10:38 uur
Citaat van: CPH Post Online op 26/11/2019 | 08:24 uur
U.S. Ambassador Denmark wants kingdom to buy more F-35s

http://cphpost.dk/news/us-wants-denmark-to-buy-more-fighter-jets.html

Van de 27 stuks maar 22 stuks in Denemarken is wel erg mager. Zouden ze in theorie nog 8 stuks extra moeten bestellen om 2 squadrons op te zetten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/11/2019 | 11:01 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 26/11/2019 | 10:38 uur
Van de 27 stuks maar 22 stuks in Denemarken is wel erg mager. Zouden ze in theorie nog 8 stuks extra moeten bestellen om 2 squadrons op te zetten.

15 per sqn is blijkbaar het nieuwe normaal, waar is de tijd gebleven dat een sqn nog bestond uit 24 of 18 vliegtuigen.

Daarnaast, je mag een percentage vredesverliezen verwachten... wordt er rekening mee gehouden?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/11/2019 | 11:10 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/11/2019 | 11:01 uur
15 per sqn is blijkbaar het nieuwe normaal, waar is de tijd gebleven dat een sqn nog bestond uit 24 of 18 vliegtuigen.

Daarnaast, je mag een percentage vredesverliezen verwachten... wordt er rekening mee gehouden?

Squadrongrootte varieert al decennia tussen de 12 en 24 stuks en soms zelfs meer. 18 stuks is normaal voor de KLu en 12/13 stuks is normaal voor de RAF.

Krijg het idee dat niemand vredesverliezen incalculeert. Aan de andere kant bestelt de RAAF 72 stuks als vervanging van 71 Hornets (oorspronkelijk 75 Hornets geleverd). Zij vliegen echt niet minder dan andere Westerse krijgsmachten. Het is maar net waar je van uitgaat.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/11/2019 | 13:27 uur
@GarethJennings3

CitaatHere at the #Berlin Security Conference, and @LockheedMartin has not given up on the #Germany Tornado replacement requirement despite being earlier ruled out. Previously reported a revised RfI could be issued to include electronic attack, so perhaps a back door back in?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKR5_THXsAEdHRv.jpg)

https://twitter.com/GarethJennings3/status/1199217829788164097

Lockheed Martin blijft volhouden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/11/2019 | 08:51 uur
Nieuws uit Zwitserland !

Combat Aircraft - Purchase of New Aircraft Supported by National Committee

The acquisition of new fighter aircraft is supported by the National Council's Committee on Security Policy. It proposes to follow the Federal Council's project on the envelope of 6 billion francs and on compensatory cases.

The committee rejected by 23 votes to 2 the Greens' proposal not to enter. "It is absolutely necessary to renew the army's fleet," Werner Salzmann (SVP / BE), its president, told the press on Tuesday. "The security of the population is a top priority."

The government expects that the foreign companies that obtain purchase mandates must offset 60% of the value of the contract in Switzerland, of which 20% directly and 40% indirectly within the technological and industrial base in connection with the acquisition. "Swiss companies cannot absorb more contracts," said Salzmann.

The committee therefore rejected all the other proposals. Several minorities demanded compensation of 20%, 50% or 80%, as proposed by the National Finance Committee.

The left would like to give up compensatory cases altogether. They increase prices, are similar to non-transparent subsidies and carry risks of corruption, the Greens said Tuesday. The Council of States had meanwhile voted for a total compensation.

The National Security Policy Committee, however, endorsed the decision of the Council of States regarding the distribution of these compensations. A large majority of the commission requests that 65% of these return to German-speaking Switzerland, 30% to French-speaking Switzerland and 5% to Italian-speaking Switzerland.

Light fighter planes

By 19 votes to 6, the committee refused to refer the project to the Federal Council. A minority on the left is asking the government for a new plan for the entire defense program (combat aircraft and ground-to-air defense) whose financial envelope should not exceed 4 billion francs. But for the majority of the commission, the 6 billion francs proposed by the government is appropriate.

The minority is also asking the government to purchase a light combat aircraft model by 2025, and extend the life of the F / A-18 Hornet, which would be reserved for more complex missions. The left wants the movements of these planes to be limited to 7,000 per year.

In addition, it calls on the government to take appropriate protective measures to deal with new threats posed by long-range missiles, cruise missiles or hijacked civil aircraft. It is keen to develop cooperation with the air forces of neighboring countries and international cooperation in the field of early detection and early warning.

No vote on the model


The debate in the National Council is scheduled for 9 December. If both Federal Chambers adopt the project as proposed by the committee, the Socialist Party and the Greens will launch the referendum. In the event of a vote, the Swiss will not vote on the model of aircraft or their number but only on the principle of purchase.

The Federal Council will decide on the type of jet after the popular vote, which should take place in September or November 2020. The National Commission welcomes this decision, as the selection of the winner is up to the experts and not to voters

The purchase of a long-range ground-to-air defense system will be done as part of regular armament programs. The order specifies, however, that the acquisition of the jets will be coordinated, from a technical and calendar point of view, with the ground-to-air defense.

The current fighter jets will reach the end of their useful life by 2030 at the latest. Four jets were evaluated between April and June in Payerne (VD) to replace the 26 Tiger and the 30 F / A-18 of the 'army. The French Rafale (Dassault), the European Eurofighter (Airbus) and the two American planes: the successor of the FA-18, the Boeing Super Hornet, and the F-35A Lockheed-Martin.

Sweden's Saab has withdrawn the Gripen E from the evaluation.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/207813/swiss-national-committee-supports-purchase-of-new-fighters.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/11/2019 | 10:06 uur
LM continues to push F-35 to Germany

https://www.janes.com/article/92830/lm-continues-to-push-f-35-to-germany

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/830/92830/p1712614_main.jpg)
While Lockheed Martin's previous promotional material for the F-35 in Germany has been overt and forthright, as seen in this poster displayed at BSC 2018, its official elimination from the competition earlier this year has meant that its promotional material at this year's event is more generic and less Luftwaffe-focused. Source: Lockheed Martin via IHS Markit/Gareth Jennings
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/11/2019 | 10:07 uur
Airbus presses for German Tornado decision to meet electronic attack requirements

https://www.janes.com/article/92867/airbus-presses-for-german-tornado-decision-to-meet-electronic-attack-requirements

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/867/92867/p1742390_main.jpg)
A concept of the Eurofighter ECR platform. Airbus is pressing the German government to expedite its Tornado replacement requirement, for which it plans to offer the aircraft. Source: Airbus via IHS Markit/Gareth Jennings
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/11/2019 | 11:21 uur
Italy approves second phase of F-35 investment program: minister

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-italy-defence-f35/italy-approves-second-phase-of-f-35-investment-program-minister-idUSKBN1Y212S
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/11/2019 | 11:41 uur
In Duitsland lijkt het een "split-buy" te worden... al zijn de Fransozen ontstemd.

Bundeswehr: Tornado-Ersatz löst Streit mit Frankreich aus

https://spon.de/afB5r via @SPIEGELONLINE
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/11/2019 | 12:18 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/11/2019 | 11:41 uur
In Duitsland lijkt het een "split-buy" te worden... al zijn de Fransozen ontstemd.

De Fransen zijn altijd ontstemd, maar de Tornado IDS/ECR is nu echt aan vervanging toe.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 30/11/2019 | 14:27 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 30/11/2019 | 12:18 uur
De Fransen zijn altijd ontstemd, maar de Tornado IDS/ECR is nu echt aan vervanging toe.
Die zijn altijd ontstemd ja.  Maar misschien is het Eurofighter consortium wel te stil.

De Rafale is van het begin af aan ontworpen als omni-role jachtvliegtuig, waarbij de focus meer op de lucht-grond fighter-bomber taak lag dan op de lucht-lucht taken.
De JAS 39 Gripen, is een swing-role gevechtsvliegtuig: Jakt Attak Spaning (verkenning).

De Eurofighter Typhoon heeft de focus overduidelijk op de lucht-lucht vaardigheden en prestaties liggen.  Dus verloor bij veel evaluaties bij luchtmachten die multi-functionele jachtbommenwerpers zoals F-5E/F, F-18A t/m D, F-16AM of F-16C block 40 en hoger gebruiken.
De Rafale en Gripen beschikken dan ook beide over een uitgebreid Elektronisch Oorlog Voering (EOV) systeem in de vorm van respectievelijk Spectra en Arexis.

De air superiority Typhoon heeft voldoende aan het t.o.v. bovengenoemde systemen inferieure DASS (Defensive Aid Sub-System).  En volgens mij vliegen de Duitsers zelfs met een 'uitgeklede' DASS variant.
De Britten waren de aanvoerders van een stapsgewijze invoering van lucht-grond vaardigheden in het Typhoon.  Met o.a. toepassing van de Brimstone en Storm Shadow kruisvluchtwapen.    Maar de Typhoon kan nog steeds geen all-weather GPS geleide JDAM bom of GPS geleide Joint Stand-Off Weapon / JSOW glij-bom inzetten.
De JSOW glij-bom heeft gelanceerd vanaf lage hoogte een bereik van 22 km, maar loopt op naar 130 km bij lancering van grote hoogte, zeg 30.000 voet.
En is dus zeer geschikt voor de Surpression of Enemy's Air Defenses (SEAD) taak.

De Britten zijn de Brimstone raket aan het verder ontwikkelen naar een 100 kg wegend (mini) kruisvluchtwapen met een bereik van 120 - 140+ km.
Heeft de JSOW-C, zowel GPS/ INS gyro-tol in combinatie met een infrarood camera.  De Spear 3 is een echt all-weather wapen met zowel GPS / INS, als laser en microgolf radar geleiding.  De SPEAR wordt niet alleen het SEAD, beter DEAD (destruction) wapen van de RAF.  Maar is ook inzetbaar tegen tanks, artillerie en om schepen te beschadigen.  Van de Spear is er ook een Spear-EW (Electronic Warfare) variant, waarbij de hardware van de BriteCloud actieve decoy, lok-doelwit, gebruikt wordt, (zie: https://www.leonardocompany.com/en/products/britecloud-3 ).  Een Spear-EW / BriteCloud, kan zowel dienen als decoy, de Spear-EW kan zowel 1 tot 50 lok-doelen inzetten, of beperkt dienen als stand-in stoorzender.
Om de mogelijkheden van dit soort wapens volledig te benutten, heb je een kist nodig zoals de F-35A, Gripen C/D/E of Rafale.

De Huidige Typhoon DASS is daar niet capabel genoeg voor.  Maar deze DASS wordt grondig opgewaardeerd via het Praetorian Evolution concept.  Welke weer onderdeel is van het grotere "Typhoon Long Term Evolution" (TLTE) plan.  Het relatief korte vliegbereik van 300 nm / 555 km wordt aangepakt door toevoeging van 2 extra 'wet' bevestigingspunten voor 2 extra externe peut tanks.
In het TLTE plan wordt het omstandigheden-overzicht van de vlieger aanzienlijk verbeterd.  Zodat deze 360 graden rondom op grote afstand passief andere jachtvliegtuigen en grondgebonden radar stations kan opsporen, identificeren, lokaliseren en volgen.  En zodoende deze kan aanvallen of ontwijken.

De F-18E/F Super Hornet en F-18G Growler combinatie heeft een sterk verkoop argument, want het zijn betrouwbare en bewezen wapensystemen.
De Typhoon ECR moet nog ontwikkeld worden.  Maar het Typhoon bul komt wel zonder verzegelde 'black boxes' en IP beperkingen.
Kan het DASS / Praetorian Evolution systeem binnen enkele uren door de RAF of Luftwaffe zelf aangepast worden.  Bij de F-18 combo ben je helemaal overgeleverd aan de luimen van de Amerikanen.
De Fransen hebben in ieder geval een punt dat een eventuele Typhoon ECR een cruciale overbrugging is naar de FCAS.  Maar geldt dat ook niet voor de Brits / Italiaanse Tempest ?
De Zwitsers en Finnen zijn nu op zoek naar nieuwe jachtvliegtuigen.  En in de Finse HX evaluatie / competitie is de Typhoon een underdog.
Want de Finnen vragen zich terecht af: als wij voor de Typhoon kiezen, zijn wij dan na 2050 niet de enigste operator van dit type ?
De Finnen zijn geïnteresseerd in een combi van F-18E's + 2-zits F-18'Fs en 8 a 12 F-18G Growlers.
Het is niet de eerste keer dat een underdog in een Finse evaluatie toch als winnaar uit de bus komt.
Maar een Duitse vervolg order voor Evolved Typhoons en Typhoon ECR-en kan extra orders vanuit Finland en /of Zwitserland tot gevolg hebben.

EOV is in heel Europa een ondergeschoven kindje, met uitzondering van Rusland, Frankrijk, Zweden en ... Finland.
Dus ontwikkeling van de Evolved TLTE Typhoon en Typhoon ECR kan hieraan weer een broodnodige boost geven.
Deze 2 varianten kunnen ook de verdere ontwikkeling van Europese jachtvliegtuig munitie's bevorderen.
De steeds kleiner wordende Europese NAVO jachtvliegtuig vloot telt ruwweg 800 kisten.  Dus qua omvang gelijk aan de Saoedische luchtmacht !
Dan is het ook niet verkeerd als de Europese Typhoon vloot gecertificeerd wordt voor de B61 nuke-leaire bom.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 30/11/2019 | 14:28 uur
Ik snap de Fransen wel, want ja, als Europa ooit op gelijke hoogte wil komen met Amerika op dergelijke gebieden is er echte commitment nodig.
Echter moeten de fransen inzien dat er gewoon een gat te dichten is in de Duitse krijgsmacht en de Europeaan kan dat niet invullen op dit moment.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/11/2019 | 14:50 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 30/11/2019 | 14:28 uur
Ik snap de Fransen wel, want ja, als Europa ooit op gelijke hoogte wil komen met Amerika op dergelijke gebieden is er echte commitment nodig.

De Fransen moeten niet gaan miepen, want het gaat alleen om de vervanging van de Tornado IDS/ECR. Dat moet los staan van de commitment t.b.v. FCAS/SCAF e.d. Duitsland heeft niet de luxe om de Tornado nog een keer te gaan moderniseren. Dit in tegenstelling tot de Mirage 2000D van de Franse luchtmacht die wel een End Life Update krijgt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 02/12/2019 | 14:45 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 30/11/2019 | 14:50 uur
De Fransen moeten niet gaan miepen, want het gaat alleen om de vervanging van de Tornado IDS/ECR. Dat moet los staan van de commitment t.b.v. FCAS/SCAF e.d. Duitsland heeft niet de luxe om de Tornado nog een keer te gaan moderniseren. Dit in tegenstelling tot de Mirage 2000D van de Franse luchtmacht die wel een End Life Update krijgt.
Wow, wapenhandel is geen markt waar puur alleen onderhandelt wordt over technische mogelijkheden en / of prijs.
D'r komt ook heel veel industriële politiek en geo-politiek bij kijken.

Nein ?

A diplomatic kerfuffle with Germany vs France and the United Kingdom over exports of jointly developed weapons is forcing Germany to rethink its restrictive stance.

A draft memorandum between Paris and Berlin, which started making the rounds in German defense policy circles last week, is poised to become a key vehicle toward that end. Initially described in media reports as a near-complete concession to France's export-oriented defense industry, the document's finer points — and shortcomings, depending on who is asked — are beginning to come into focus.

The short text will become an annex to the so-called Aachen Treaty, signed in January by French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel. German government officials stress that negotiations over details are ongoing, but the broader objectives are these: For one, the two countries put in place a policy for their two major joint programs, a new tank and a new fighter aircraft, that leans toward export approvals by each partner, while recognizing a veto option only when one party's "direct interests or national security are compromised."

In addition, it sets up a new rule that takes effect when one country's vendors have contributed only a relatively small share in a larger weapon program. In that situation, the respective government effectively forfeits its right to block the overall system's export.
Merkel: Europe's defense posture hinges on common arms-export policy.

Such has been the case with German components in the Meteor missile, for example, which France and others are reportedly blocked from transferring to Saudi Arabia.

Berlin placed an export embargo on Saudi Arabia last fall, after the death of Jamal Khashoggi, a journalist and known critic of the regime. It's alleged the crown prince of Saudi Arabia was involved in Khoshoggi's death. The embargo came on top of Germany's reluctance to transfer arms to any party involved in the Yemen war, a key pledge holding together the governing coalition of the Christian Democratic Union and the Social Democrats here.

The British, meanwhile, have demanded Germany exempt multinational programs like the Eurofighter from the blockade. "I am very concerned about the impact of the German government's decision on the British and European defense industry and the consequences for Europe's ability to fulfill its NATO commitments," British Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt wrote to his German counterpart Heiko Maas earlier this month, according to a letter first reported by Der Spiegel.
zie: https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/02/25/european-dispute-over-arms-exports-tests-germanys-stance-of-nein/

Frankrijk doet traditioneel nooit moeilijk over wapen exporten naar landen waar ze het niet zo nauw nemen met bijvoorbeeld de mensenrechten.
Maar van een opgeheven vingertje van volgevreten in dit geval Duitse Westerlingen moeten ze buiten Europa niets hebben.  Een ongewijzigd Duits beleid gaat heel veel export klanten kosten.

Diverse Europese landen maken zich overigens nog meer zorgen over de tendens in de Duitse politiek van een Alleingang betreffende de omgang met Rusland.
Een voorbeeld is de "Nordstream 2" gasleiding, vele NAVO en EU landen zijn hierop tegen, want hiermee wordt zowel Europa als de Oekraine veel te afhankelijk van de Russen.
Stel dat er een conflict uitbreekt tussen Finland en Rusland.  Blijft het pro-Russische Duitsland dan wel wapensystemen leveren aan Finland ?  Of kiezen ze gedwongen tot 'de-escaltie' van dat conflict door juist niet te leveren.    Het maakt dat de Eurofighter Typhoon veel minder kans maakt om de HX (F-18 opvolger) competitie te winnen.

Dit en een eventuele F-18E/F en F-18G aankoop, omdat die combo nu eenmaal het minst riskant is en waarschijnlijk het goedkoopst doet terecht in Frankrijk tot vragen en zorgen leiden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 03/12/2019 | 15:29 uur
Citaat van: Saab AB @Saab
Another Gripen E in the air

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 03/12/2019 | 15:57 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 03/12/2019 | 15:29 uur
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Erg gaaf camo schema ! .... :big-smile:

zouden ze nog weer terug gaan naar hun "oude"" groene schema zoals bij de Viggen ?, denk het niet ...  :hrmph: jammer

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/12/2019 | 09:52 uur
Romania to take five more F-16s from Portugal

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/romania-to-take-five-more-f-16s-from-portugal-462656/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/12/2019 | 09:57 uur
Coming in 2020: A new technology that will link F-35 simulators across the globe

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/itsec/2019/12/04/coming-in-2020-a-new-technology-that-will-link-f-35-simulators-across-the-globe/?fbclid=IwAR0As6X5Hm4ReMFSknr3yTGZ3W4kKVvluww9NYg0wP5UgWwxHU7XLvqGcl8

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114 FW Vice Commander Col. Morrell watches Sioux Falls Mayor Paul TenHaken fly the F-35 Simulator. Lockheed Martin showcased the F-35 and its simulator at the 2019 Sioux Falls Air Show at Sioux Falls, South Dakota. (Airman 1st Class Taylor Solberg/ U.S. Air Force)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/12/2019 | 09:54 uur
Strategy & Policy: Thinking Past the F-35

https://www.airforcemag.com/article/strategy-policy-thinking-past-the-f-35/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/12/2019 | 13:57 uur
Expodefensa 2019: Leonardo M-346FA aircraft makes show debut

https://www.janes.com/article/93013/expodefensa-2019-leonardo-m-346fa-aircraft-makes-show-debut

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A model of Leonardo's M-346FA aircraft on display at Expodefensa on 3 December 2019. Source: Jane's/Pat Host
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/12/2019 | 15:52 uur
Are Eurofighter and Rafale Modernization Paths Crossing Cutting or Parallel?: Perspectives from the International Fighter Conference 2019

https://sldinfo.com/2019/12/are-eurofighter-and-rafale-modernization-paths-crossing-cutting-or-parallel-perspectives-from-the-international-fighter-conference-2019/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/12/2019 | 10:22 uur
Australia Won't Get Compensation For EA-18G Growler Aircraft That Burst Into Flames At Nellis Air Force Base in 2018

https://theaviationist.com/2019/12/05/australia-wont-get-compensation-for-ea-18g-growler-aircraft-that-burst-into-flames-at-nellis-air-force-base-in-2018/

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6 Squadron EA-18G A46-311 after the incident at Nellis AFB (Image credit: RAAF)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/12/2019 | 10:24 uur
The F-35, CNI Evolution, and Evolving the Combat Force

https://sldinfo.com/2019/12/the-f-35-cni-evolution-and-evolving-the-combat-force/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/12/2019 | 09:36 uur
NDAA Adds F-35s, Directs Force Structure Strategy

https://www.airforcemag.com/ndaa-adds-f-35s-directs-force-structure-strategy/

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USAF F-35As return to Al Dhafra AB, United Arab Emirates, on Nov. 16, 2019, for a second combat deployment. Air Force photo by TSgt. Joshua Williams.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/12/2019 | 09:37 uur
Congressional Authorizers Endorse F-15EX Buy, With Caveats

https://www.airforcemag.com/congressional-authorizers-endorse-f-15ex-buy-with-caveats/

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A Boeing illustration shows the F-15EX.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/12/2019 | 10:09 uur
Japan reverses course on F-35, will continue assembly at home

Tokyo ends plan to import finished jets from US as Mitsubishi Heavy cuts costs

RIEKO MIKI, Nikkei staff writer
December 11, 2019 02:45 JST

TOKYO -- Japan intends to continue assembling F-35 stealth fighters domestically, reversing plans to import the finished aircraft from the U.S., Nikkei has learned.

Since Tokyo adopted the F-35A fighter jet in fiscal 2011 under the U.S. Foreign Military Sales program, Japan's Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has assembled and conducted final checks on aircraft sold to the country by Lockheed Martin.

But the costly process prompted a decision by Tokyo to import finished F-35s starting with new contracts made in fiscal 2019, which began in April. Japan's cabinet approved plans at the end of 2018 to buy another 105 F-35s, including 42 F-35Bs, which are capable of short takeoffs and vertical landings.

However, Tokyo looks to reverse that decision after Mitsubishi Heavy revamped its assembly process to reduce costs.

Finishing one F-35 in Japan is now expected to cost 9.37 billion yen ($86.3 million), compared with 9.42 billion yen to ship the plane from the U.S., according to Japan's Defense Ministry. The cabinet is expected to approve the domestic production plan soon.

The F-35 represents a key model for Japan's Air Self-Defense Force. Big orders could alleviate U.S. President Donald Trump's concerns over bilateral trade imbalances, even if the final assembly is done in Japan. In May, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe showed Trump around the Kaga, a Maritime Self-Defense Force vessel slated to serve as the carrier for F-35Bs.

Both governments are agreed on the production plan, sources familiar with the matter said.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Aerospace-Defense/Japan-reverses-course-on-F-35-will-continue-assembly-at-home?fbclid=IwAR3XU5zz5_DRly07gI9UkGrvp1qh6d2GoIEDhgHBnA1yDrD6t_9-5wHO0B8
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/12/2019 | 12:34 uur
French Air Force declares IOC for Rafale F3R

https://www.janes.com/article/93112/french-air-force-declares-ioc-for-rafale-f3r

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With the first F3R-standard Rafales now operational, France has a roadmap to improvement that should take the platform out to about 2070. Source: Dassault
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 11/12/2019 | 18:04 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/12/2019 | 10:09 uur
Japan reverses course on F-35, will continue assembly at home

Tokyo ends plan to import finished jets from US as Mitsubishi Heavy cuts costs

RIEKO MIKI, Nikkei staff writer
December 11, 2019 02:45 JST

TOKYO -- Japan intends to continue assembling F-35 stealth fighters domestically, reversing plans to import the finished aircraft from the U.S., Nikkei has learned.

Since Tokyo adopted the F-35A fighter jet in fiscal 2011 under the U.S. Foreign Military Sales program, Japan's Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has assembled and conducted final checks on aircraft sold to the country by Lockheed Martin.

But the costly process prompted a decision by Tokyo to import finished F-35s starting with new contracts made in fiscal 2019, which began in April. Japan's cabinet approved plans at the end of 2018 to buy another 105 F-35s, including 42 F-35Bs, which are capable of short takeoffs and vertical landings.

However, Tokyo looks to reverse that decision after Mitsubishi Heavy revamped its assembly process to reduce costs.

Finishing one F-35 in Japan is now expected to cost 9.37 billion yen ($86.3 million), compared with 9.42 billion yen to ship the plane from the U.S., according to Japan's Defense Ministry. The cabinet is expected to approve the domestic production plan soon.

The F-35 represents a key model for Japan's Air Self-Defense Force. Big orders could alleviate U.S. President Donald Trump's concerns over bilateral trade imbalances, even if the final assembly is done in Japan. In May, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe showed Trump around the Kaga, a Maritime Self-Defense Force vessel slated to serve as the carrier for F-35Bs.

Both governments are agreed on the production plan, sources familiar with the matter said.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Aerospace-Defense/Japan-reverses-course-on-F-35-will-continue-assembly-at-home?fbclid=IwAR3XU5zz5_DRly07gI9UkGrvp1qh6d2GoIEDhgHBnA1yDrD6t_9-5wHO0B8

De bijzondere positie van japan blijkt hier maar weer. Iedereen bedelt om de kruimels, de Belgen mogen de ventieldopjes maken, en Japan krijgt de completr constructie van de jet toegewezen met w.s hier en daar een 'black box'  subcomponent wat van amerikaanse deelleveranciers komt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 11/12/2019 | 20:58 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 11/12/2019 | 18:04 uur
De bijzondere positie van japan blijkt hier maar weer. Iedereen bedelt om de kruimels, de Belgen mogen de ventieldopjes maken, en Japan krijgt de completr constructie van de jet toegewezen met w.s hier en daar een 'black box'  subcomponent wat van amerikaanse deelleveranciers komt.

Japan heeft al eerder een  aangepaste versie van de F16 mogen maken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 11/12/2019 | 21:30 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 11/12/2019 | 20:58 uur
Japan heeft al eerder een  aangepaste versie van de F16 mogen maken.

Dank je voor het bevestigen van mn punt ;).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 11/12/2019 | 22:51 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 11/12/2019 | 18:04 uur
De bijzondere positie van japan blijkt hier maar weer. Iedereen bedelt om de kruimels, de Belgen mogen de ventieldopjes maken, en Japan krijgt de completr constructie van de jet toegewezen met w.s hier en daar een 'black box'  subcomponent wat van amerikaanse deelleveranciers komt.
Japan's military seek eighth straight annual hike in defense spending.

TOKYO (Reuters), 30-08-19 - Japan's military has asked for an eighth straight annual increase in defense spending to help pay for U.S.-made interceptor missiles, stealth fighters, and other equipment it wants to counter threats from North Korea and China.

The Ministry of Defence budget proposal released Friday calls for spending to increase 1.2 percent to a record 5.32 trillion yen ($50.48 billion) in the year starting April 1. Finance ministry officials will scrutinize the request before it is approved by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's cabinet.

Already one of the world's biggest military spenders despite a constitution that forbids the possession of weapons to attack other countries, Japan has increased military outlays by a tenth over the past seven years. That growth is being driven by alarm over military build ups by its neighbors.

Japan's spending, much of it on advanced weapons from the United States, has benefited the likes of Lockheed Martin Corp and Raytheon Co, and worried local contractors such as Mitsubishi Heavy Industries who have seen their share of defense spending shrink.

U.S. President Donald Trump has thanked Japan for buying the expensive U.S. equipment, helping curtail criticism of Japan amid trade tensions between Tokyo and Washington.

For the next fiscal year, Japan's defense officials have asked for 115.6 billion yen to buy nine Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth fighters, including for the first time six short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) B variants that it wants to operate from aircraft carriers. That purchase will help Japan project military power by extending the range at which the country's Self Defense Forces can operate.

The defense ministry also wants 116.3 billion yen to bolster ballistic missile defenses (BMD), including money for a new generation of interceptor missiles designed by Raytheon to shoot down incoming warheads in space. It also wants funds for vertical launch systems for ships and two planned ground-based Aegis Ashore radar missile tracking stations.

bron:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-defence-budget/japans-military-seek-eighth-straight-annual-hike-in-defense-spending-idUSKCN1VK0D2

Toen Japan in de jaren 80 en 90 uit de F-16C de F-2 gingen ontwikkelen.  Vroegen ze om de bron-codes van de flight control computer (FCC).  De Amerikanen weigerden dat toen, dus plaatste Mitsubishi een zelf ontwikkelde FCC.
Maar inmiddels is er een grote dreiging vanuit China en Noord-Korea.  En Rusland ligt voor hen ook relatief dichtbij.  En die Japanse F-35 productie lijn laat zien dat de mondiale geo-poltieke kaarten flink opgeschud zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/12/2019 | 10:08 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 11/12/2019 | 18:04 uur
De bijzondere positie van japan blijkt hier maar weer. Iedereen bedelt om de kruimels, de Belgen mogen de ventieldopjes maken, en Japan krijgt de completr constructie van de jet toegewezen met w.s hier en daar een 'black box'  subcomponent wat van amerikaanse deelleveranciers komt.

Citaat van: Poleme op 11/12/2019 | 22:51 uur
Toen Japan in de jaren 80 en 90 uit de F-16C de F-2 gingen ontwikkelen.  Vroegen ze om de bron-codes van de flight control computer (FCC).  De Amerikanen weigerden dat toen, dus plaatste Mitsubishi een zelf ontwikkelde FCC.
Maar inmiddels is er een grote dreiging vanuit China en Noord-Korea.  En Rusland ligt voor hen ook relatief dichtbij.  En die Japanse F-35 productie lijn laat zien dat de mondiale geo-poltieke kaarten flink opgeschud zijn.

Je kunt je ook afvragen hoe groot de kans was geweest dat Japan geen FACO zou krijgen. Zij hadden al ervaring met licentiebouw van de F-104J, F-4EJ en F-15J. Enigste verschil met deze voorgaande varianten is dat Japanse F-35A nu qua hardware wel gelijk is aan de Amerikaanse F-35A. De relatie tussen Japan en de VS is op zich al bijzonder.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/12/2019 | 10:16 uur
Safran and MTU cement relationship on New Generation Fighter engine

https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/safran-and-mtu-cement-relationship-on-new-generation-fighter-engine/135722.article
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 12/12/2019 | 10:35 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/12/2019 | 10:08 uur
De relatie tussen Japan en de VS is op zich al bijzonder.
Leg eens uit?
Ik zie voornamelijk strategische voordelen voor beide partijen. Niet zo heel bijzonder lijkt mij.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/12/2019 | 10:46 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 12/12/2019 | 10:35 uur
Leg eens uit?
Ik zie voornamelijk strategische voordelen voor beide partijen. Niet zo heel bijzonder lijkt mij.

Natuurlijk zit het in de strategische voordelen. Op veel vlakken vormen beide landen al een twee-eenheid. Japan hoeft geen F-35 partner te zijn om een FACO te kunnen opzetten. Ondanks de vele steun van de VS aan Zuid-Korea is Japan voor deze regio ook de meest logische keuze.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/12/2019 | 11:00 uur
Australia welcomes next seven F-35A Joint Strike Fighter aircraft

12 December 2019

The Liberal National Government's multi-billion dollar Joint Strike Fighter program has reached a new milestone with seven F-35A Lightning II aircraft arriving at RAAF Base Williamtown.

Minister for Defence, Senator the Hon Linda Reynolds CSC said the F-35 program is on track to provide Australia with a fifth generation aircraft that is at the forefront of air combat technology.

"This brings the total number of F-35A's that are operating at RAAF Base Williamtown to 13, with another five aircraft based at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona, USA," Minister Reynolds said.

"This is the most advanced, multi-role stealth fighter in the world which will deliver next generation capability benefits and provide a major boost to air combat capability."

In addition, the Australian Government has approved the next 24 aircraft – meaning all 72 Australian F-35A Lightning II aircraft are now locked in.

Defence has also signed onto an international deal known as the Block Buy Contract, valued in total at USD$34 billion, which will deliver 45 of Australia's F-35A Lightning II aircraft.

"The deal is great news for Australia with the unit price now five-percent below the estimate at Government approval in 2014," Minister Reynolds said.

"The F-35A is a key part of the Morrison Government's $200 billion investment in Defence capability which includes investing in next-generation air combat capability for Australia."

More information on the F-35A Lightning II is available at https://www.airforce.gov.au/technology/aircraft/strike/f-35a-lightning-ii.

Imagery is available at http://images.defence.gov.au/s20193282.

https://www.minister.defence.gov.au/minister/lreynolds/media-releases/australia-welcomes-next-seven-f-35a-joint-strike-fighter-aircraft?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=baesystemsaus&utm_campaign=SocialCT&utm_content=Post

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Royal Australian Air Force Base Williamtown welcomed the arrival of seven new F-35A Lightning II aircraft to Australia's fleet on 11 December 2019.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/12/2019 | 15:40 uur
AIDC, Lockheed Martin to set up F-16 maintenance facility in Taiwan

https://www.janes.com/article/93224/aidc-lockheed-martin-to-set-up-f-16-maintenance-facility-in-taiwan

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Taiwan's AIDC and Lockheed Martin have agreed to collaborate on establishing in Taiwan a maintenance centre to support locally operated F-16 fighter aircraft. Source: Lockheed Martin /Randy A Crites
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/12/2019 | 15:41 uur
South Korean air force declares IOC for its F-35 Joint Strike Fighters

https://www.janes.com/article/93233/south-korean-air-force-declares-ioc-for-its-f-35-joint-strike-fighters

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The RoKAF's F-35A Joint Strike Fighter (background) made its official public debut during the 71th anniversary of South Korea's Armed Forces Day on 1 October. Source: Jeon Heon-Kyun/AFP/Getty Images
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/12/2019 | 09:33 uur
Germany receives final Eurofighter under current programme-of-record

https://www.janes.com/article/93272/germany-receives-final-eurofighter-under-current-programme-of-record

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A pair of Luftwaffe Eurofighters seen on deployment to NATO's Baltic Air Policing mission in Estonia. Germany received the last of its currently contracted 143 Eurofighters on 17 December, although more orders are anticipated. Source: Jane's/Gareth Jennings
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/12/2019 | 09:35 uur
LM begins F-16V production for Bahrain

https://www.janes.com/article/93267/lm-begins-f-16v-production-for-bahrain

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Shaikh Abdullah bin Rashed Al Khalifa, ambassador of the Kingdom of Bahrain to the United States, visited Lockheed Martin's production line in Greenville to mark to start of the country's contract for 16 new-build F-16Vs. Source: Lockheed Martin
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/12/2019 | 09:41 uur
Congress Wants to Grow Organic USAF Aggressor Capability (wens uitbreiding F-35 in aggressor rol)

https://www.airforcemag.com/congress-wants-to-grow-organic-usaf-aggressor-capability/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/12/2019 | 10:24 uur
@388fw

CitaatWe received our 78th and final @thef35 here at @HAFB yesterday. It marks the "end of the beginning," and a lot of hard work standing up the @usairforce's first three combat capable F-35A Lightning II squadrons. https://www.388fw.acc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2043135/hill-fighter-wings-receive-final-f-35a-lightning-ii/ ...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMFvS6vUUAASc9N.jpg)

https://twitter.com/388fw/status/1207368554321858561
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 20/12/2019 | 23:15 uur
Philippines evaluating Gripen and F-16V for MRF programme, defence secretary confirms

Philippine Secretary of National Defense Delfin Lorenzana confirmed on 16 December that the Philippine Air Force (PAF) is evaluating two aircraft for its multirole fighter (MRF) programme.

"One of the aircraft being evaluated is from Sweden [the Saab Gripen] and the other is the American [Lockheed Martin] F-16V," Lorenzana was quoted by the state-owned Philippine News Agency (PNA) as saying, without providing further details.

During the Asian Defence and Security (ADAS) 2018 exhibition in Manila a senior PAF official told Jane's that the PAF had budgeted PHP61 billion (USD1.1 billion) to procure a multirole combat aircraft over the following five years.

https://www.janes.com/article/93332/philippines-evaluating-gripen-and-f-16v-for-mrf-programme-defence-secretary-confirms
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/12/2019 | 09:27 uur
These Images Show A Texas ANG's F-16C Wearing A Slightly Modified "Have Glass V" Paint Scheme

https://theaviationist.com/2019/12/20/these-images-show-a-texas-angs-f-16c-wearing-a-slightly-modified-have-glass-v-paint-scheme/

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Another shot showing the F-16C in Have Glass V paint scheme. Note the dark tail code and markings.
(U.S. Air National Guard photo by Senior Master Sgt. Vincent De Groot)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/12/2019 | 10:05 uur
F-16 Downs Drone With Rocket for Cruise Missile Defense Test (APKWS)

https://www.airforcemag.com/f-16-downs-drone-with-rocket-for-cruise-missile-defense-test/

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A F-16C flown by Maj Jeffrey Entine, 85th Flight Test Squadron test pilot, fires a rocket at a test drone at Eglin AFB, Fla., during a December 2019 test that successfully demonstrated shooting a small drone at low altitudes. Screenshot from Air Force video by 1st Lt. Savanah Bray.

Video:
https://www.dvidshub.net/video/731345/f-16-shoot-down-test-drone
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/12/2019 | 10:34 uur
Lockheed Martin awarded $7bn contract to maintain F-22 fleet

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/lockheed-martin-awarded-7bn-contract-to-maintain-f-22-fleet/135924.article

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Source: US Air Force  574th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron maintainer performs depot maintenance on F-22 Raptor at Hill Air Force Base Utah
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/12/2019 | 10:37 uur
Taiwan, USA proceed with F-16V deal

https://www.flightglobal.com/-taiwan-usa-proceed-with-f-16v-deal/135929.article

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Source: Lockheed Martin  The Lockheed Martin F-16V.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 24/12/2019 | 14:05 uur
Russian 5th generation Sukhoi Su-57 "Felon" Crashes During Testing, Pilot Reported Safe.

https://theaviationist.com/2019/12/24/russian-5th-generation-sukhoi-su-57-felon-crashes-during-testing-pilot-reported-safe

Een testvlucht in opdracht van de fabriek en geen toestel van het MOD. Ook zou het toestel bij de crash volledig verwoest zijn.

Volgens berichten via twitter zou het wel gaan om het eerste toestel van de productielijn en had het toestel nog dit jaar overgedragen moeten worden aan de Russische luchtmacht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/12/2019 | 09:24 uur
US lawmakers approve eight F-15EX aircraft for US Air Force in FY 2020

https://www.janes.com/article/93296/us-lawmakers-approve-eight-f-15ex-aircraft-for-us-air-force-in-fy-2020

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The US Air Force requested eight Boeing F-15EX Advanced Eagles in its FY 2020 budget request and expects to procure 18 aircraft annually from FY 2021–24. Source: Jane's/Gareth Jennings
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/12/2019 | 09:26 uur
Germany orders more Meteor missiles

20/12/2019

MBDA has received an order to build further Meteor beyond visual range air-to-air missiles for the German Air Force.

Meteor is the world's most advanced air-to-air missile, and has a unique ramjet propulsion system that allows it to fly further and faster than any other air-to-air missile – allowing it to defeat manoeuvring targets even at extreme ranges.

Éric Béranger, CEO of MBDA said: "The Meteor programme can be considered Europe's most successful defence co-operation programme, bringing together the best technologies from six European nations to deliver a common military capability that is truly revolutionary. We are very pleased to receive this additional contract from the German customer as a further commitment to Meteor as the primary air dominance weapon for Eurofighter."

Signed on 16 December, the contract was awarded to MBDA by the Meteor Integrated Joint Programme Office (IJPO) on behalf of the German Federal Office of Bundeswehr Equipment, Information Technology and In-Service Support (BAAINBw).

Unlike traditional air-to-air missiles that glide unpowered for most of their flight, limiting their ability to hit agile targets at long distances, Meteor's ramjet provides sustained thrust at speeds in excess of Mach 4 all the way to the target – giving Meteor an unrivalled no-escape zone. Meteor is now cleared for frontline service with all of Europe's domestic fighter aircraft, Gripen, Eurofighter and Rafale.

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Meteor's ramjet provides sustained thrust at speeds in excess of Mach 4 all the way to the target.

https://www.mbda-systems.com/press-releases/germany-orders-more-meteor-missiles/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/12/2019 | 11:37 uur
Armenia Receives First Of New Su-30SM Jets

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/26076/Armenia_Receives_First_Of_New_Su_30SM_Jets
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/12/2019 | 11:38 uur
Lockheed To Upgrade Hellenic Air Force F-16 Jets for $280M

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/26081/Lockheed_To_Upgrade_Hellenic_Air_Force_F_16_Jets_for__280M
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/12/2019 | 11:39 uur
Russian Su-57 Fighter to get New Weapons

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/26083/Russian_Su_57_Fighter_to_get_New_Weapons
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/12/2019 | 11:40 uur
Israel Submits RFI to Acquire 50 Additional F-35 Jets

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/26084/Israel_Submits_RFI_to_Acquire_50_Additional_F_35_Jets
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 31/12/2019 | 06:22 uur
Unofficial reports of Algeria buying Su-57 Felons seem only to distract attention from recent crash of the first production example in Russia

https://theaviationist.com/2019/12/29/wild-rumors-of-first-su-57-export-sale-spread-as-details-from-earlier-felon-crash-emerge
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/12/2019 | 09:47 uur
Lockheed Martin Delivers 134 F-35s in 2019; Exceeding Annual Commitment

https://www.f35.com/news/detail/lockheed-martin-delivers-134-f-35s-in-2019-exceeding-annual-commitment

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The 134th aircraft is a Short Takeoff and Vertical Landing (STOVL) model for the United States Marine Corps.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/01/2020 | 22:42 uur
US temporarily bans US Air Force F-35A LRIP aircraft use in aggressor training

https://www.janes.com/article/93445/us-temporarily-bans-us-air-force-f-35a-lrip-aircraft-use-in-aggressor-training

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US lawmakers want a plan from the US Air Force before the service is allowed to use low rate initial production F-35A aircraft in aggressor training. Source: US Air Force
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/01/2020 | 09:08 uur
Lockheed Gets $2 Billion in F-35 Contracts, Plans 141 Deliveries for 2020

https://www.airforcemag.com/lockheed-gets-2-billion-in-f-35-contracts-plans-141-deliveries-for-2020/

Voor details.

Contracts For Dec. 31, 2019

https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contracts/Contract/Article/2048917/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/01/2020 | 19:27 uur
The finalists - On the eve of a decision on the successor to the weapon system Tornado

https://esut.de/en/2020/01/fachbeitraege/ruestung/17548/die-finalisten-am-vorabend-einer-entscheidung-ueber-den-nachfolger-fuer-das-waffensystem-tornado/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 06/01/2020 | 11:35 uur
Finland to Begin H-X Fighter Evaluations Next Week

Finland will begin on Jan. 9 the in-country evaluation of the five aircraft bidding to replace its F-18 Hornet fighters. It will verify that they match their manufacturers' claims and that they can operate in Finland's cold and wet climate.

The Finnish Air Force will evaluate the five combat aircraft bidding for its €10 billion H-X fighter replacement contract during a series of week-long tests beginning next week and continuing until February 26.

"The aim of the testing and evaluation event is to verify that each candidate's systems and performance values match the data reported by the manufacturers" says Air Force Colonel Juha-Pekka Keränen, the H-X program director, in an interview published Jan. 2.

The five competing aircraft are the Boeing F-18E Super Hornet, Dassault Aviation Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter and the Saab Gripen E.

The evaluations, during which each aircraft will carry out similar missions intended to evaluate their capabilities in four main areas, will be carried out from the Finnish Air Force's base at Pirkkala, but the flights will take place all over Finland, Keränen said. The process is known as the 'HX Challenge.'

Each competitor will be evaluated over seven week-days, during which it will complete a program that includes flying simulated combat missions against Finnish Air Force F/A-18s and Hawk jet trainers. In addition, "the HX Challenge will evaluate the capabilities reported by the manufacturers in the five categories of operations itemised in the call for tenders: counter-air, counter-land, counter-sea, long-range strike as well as intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance and target acquisition," Keränen said. "They will also have to demonstrate their ability "to network with Army and Navy weapon systems as seamlessly as possible."

Finnish winter conditions have an effect especially on the performance of electro-optical sensors. In addition, other active and passive sensor systems may be affected, so the evaluation is geared to be as representative as possible of Finland's operating environment.

The Eurofighter Typhoon will kick off the HX Challenge on Jan. 9 to Jan. 17, and will be followed by the Dassault Rafale (Jan. 20-28), the Saab Gripen (Jan. 29 to Feb. 6), the Lockheed F-35 (Feb. 7-17) and finally the Boeing F-18 Super Hornet on Feb. 18-26.

"The purpose of the HX Challenge is not to rank the candidates, but to make sure that the performance values reported in the responses to the call for tenders actually apply in the Finnish operating environment," Keränen said.

This is possibly the most interesting aspect of the HX Challenge, because it will check how manufacturers' claims measure up to reality. The Finnish evaluation takes place before a similar evaluation to the held by the Swiss Air Force, which is also looking to replace the fighters it currently operates, also F-18 Hornets.

Together, given the reputation of both air forces, these two evaluations will provide a comprehensive and objective measure of the five aircraft's capabilities, which it will be interesting to match up to the claims made by their manufacturers.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/208606/finland-to-kick-off-h_x-fighter-evaluations-next-week-with-eurofighter.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/01/2020 | 08:41 uur
Hill Conducts Massive F-35 Elephant Walk (52 van de 78 stuks)

https://www.airforcemag.com/hill-conducts-massive-f-35-elephant-walk/

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The active duty 388th and Reserve 419th Fighter Wings conducted an F-35A Combat Power Exercise with 52 aircraft at Hill AFB, Utah, Jan. 6, 2020. 388th Fighter Wing photo via Facebook.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/01/2020 | 08:28 uur
CBO expects fighter/attack, rotorcraft platforms to make up bulk of future US Navy aircraft procurement

https://www.janes.com/article/93557/cbo-expects-fighter-attack-rotorcraft-platforms-to-make-up-bulk-of-future-us-navy-aircraft-procurement

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The CBO said in a new report that the USN could save about USD17 billion over the first 448 aircraft if it buys F-35Cs (pictured) to replace its Super Hornets instead of developing a new fighter. Source: US Navy
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/01/2020 | 08:36 uur
US Navy prepares to receive first Super Hornet Block 3 test aircraft

https://www.janes.com/article/93546/us-navy-prepares-to-receive-first-super-hornet-block-3-test-aircraft

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An F/A-18F sporting some Block 3 features, including the conformal fuel tanks. The US Navy is to receive its first Block 3 testbeds in the coming weeks. Source: Boeing
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/01/2020 | 08:27 uur
UK to receive F-35 DAS upgrade

https://www.janes.com/article/93571/uk-to-receive-f-35-das-upgrade

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The F-35's DAS housing is seen forward of the front undercarriage doors. The UK is to fall into line with its programme partners in equipping its aircraft with a new DAS system from 2023. Source: Crown Copyright
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/01/2020 | 08:39 uur
Citaat van: Janes op 09/01/2020 | 08:27 uur
UK to receive F-35 DAS upgrade

https://www.janes.com/article/93571/uk-to-receive-f-35-das-upgrade

Goed dat met terugwerkende kracht de oude DAS wordt vervangen door de nieuwe. Voor de KLu gelukkig maar 34 toestellen (leveringen t/m 2022). Voor landen als bijvoorbeeld Australië en Noorwegen zijn dat respectievelijk 63 en 40 die moeten worden aangepast.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/01/2020 | 15:20 uur
USAF issues RFI for F-35A SiAW missile

https://www.janes.com/article/93604/usaf-issues-rfi-for-f-35a-siaw-missile

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/604/93604/p1635947_main.jpg)
A model of the AARGM-ER missile being used for a fit check in an F-35 weapons bay. The SiAW missile will leverage this missile to provide the F-35A with an internally-carried A2/AD capability. Source: Northrop Grumman
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 09/01/2020 | 16:55 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/01/2020 | 08:39 uur
Goed dat met terugwerkende kracht de oude DAS wordt vervangen door de nieuwe. Voor de KLu gelukkig maar 34 toestellen (leveringen t/m 2022). Voor landen als bijvoorbeeld Australië en Noorwegen zijn dat respectievelijk 63 en 40 die moeten worden aangepast.

34????
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 09/01/2020 | 17:03 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 09/01/2020 | 16:55 uur
34????

Volgens de transitieplanning hebben we in 2022 34 F-35's, waarvan 8 in de VS. Vanaf 2023 worden de laatste drie kisten geleverd welke al van de nieuwe DAS zijn voorzien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 09/01/2020 | 19:00 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 09/01/2020 | 17:03 uur
Volgens de transitieplanning hebben we in 2022 34 F-35's, waarvan 8 in de VS. Vanaf 2023 worden de laatste drie kisten geleverd welke al van de nieuwe DAS zijn voorzien.

Ah je rekent zo.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 09/01/2020 | 19:37 uur
Citaat van: StrataNL op 09/01/2020 | 17:03 uur
Volgens de transitieplanning hebben we in 2022 34 F-35's, waarvan 8 in de VS. Vanaf 2023 worden de laatste drie kisten geleverd welke al van de nieuwe DAS zijn voorzien.

Zitten in jouw berekeningen ook de extra 9 F35's?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 09/01/2020 | 19:47 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 09/01/2020 | 19:37 uur
Zitten in jouw berekeningen ook de extra 9 F35's?
Nee dat is niet relevant want die komen pas later en zijn al voorzien van de DAS upgrade.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/01/2020 | 09:52 uur
In Germany, gridlock over nuclear-capable fighter jet

https://amp.dw.com/en/in-germany-gridlock-over-nuclear-capable-fighter-jet/a-51897327
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/01/2020 | 10:52 uur
'Aanschaf F-35's voor Griekse luchtmacht'

https://www.upinthesky.nl/2020/01/10/aanschaf-f-35s-voor-griekse-luchtmacht/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 11/01/2020 | 11:45 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/01/2020 | 10:52 uur
'Aanschaf F-35's voor Griekse luchtmacht'

https://www.upinthesky.nl/2020/01/10/aanschaf-f-35s-voor-griekse-luchtmacht/
Vind er wat van....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 11/01/2020 | 12:21 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 11/01/2020 | 11:45 uur
Vind er wat van....

Klopt ben dat met jou eens en de vraag is hoe gaan de grieken dat betalen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/01/2020 | 16:31 uur
Swiss issue second RFP for fighter/GBAD replacements

https://www.janes.com/article/93660/swiss-issue-second-rfp-for-fighter-gbad-replacements

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Switzerland is planning to replace its aging Hornet (pictured) and Tiger II fleets, as well as procure new long-range ground-based air defence systems, under its Air2030 requirement. (Jane's/Patrick Allen)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/01/2020 | 16:34 uur
Indian Navy's Light Combat Aircraft prototype makes first carrier landing

https://www.janes.com/article/93655/indian-navy-s-light-combat-aircraft-prototype-makes-first-carrier-landing

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The LCA (N) Mk 1 prototype is expected to conduct additional landings on INS Vikramaditya. to "fine-tune" the aircraft's avionics, assorted on-board systems, and flight computer software. Source: Indian Navy
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/01/2020 | 12:15 uur
Eurofighter Typhoon kicks off Finland's HX Challenge

https://www.janes.com/article/93666/eurofighter-typhoon-kicks-off-finland-s-hx-challenge

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/666/93666/1742463-main.jpg)
A two-seat Royal Air Force Eurofighter Typhoon T.Mk3 equipped with a Rafael Litening V targeting pod in Finland for evaluation by the Finnish Air Force as part of the country's fighter aircraft procurement. Source: Jane's/Charles Forreste
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/01/2020 | 12:17 uur
Egypt demonstrates aerial refuelling for combat aircraft

https://www.janes.com/article/93679/egypt-demonstrates-aerial-refuelling-for-combat-aircraft

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An Egyptian Air Force MiG-29M ‘Fulcrum’ fighter demonstrating a buddy-buddy aerial refuelling system in an official MoD video released on 13 January. The hitherto unknown capability will extend Egypt's ability to project air power beyond its national borders. (Egyptian MoD)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/01/2020 | 09:39 uur
First F-35C Stealth Fighter Jets to Arrive at Miramar Next Week (F-35C's voor VMFA-314)

https://timesofsandiego.com/military/2020/01/14/first-f-35c-stealth-fighter-jets-to-arrive-at-miramar-next-week/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/01/2020 | 10:14 uur
F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says (van ALIS naar ODIN)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-pentagon-f35/f-35-logistics-system-to-be-reinvented-and-renamed-official-says-idUSKBN1ZE00D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/01/2020 | 08:30 uur
Block 2 IRST flies on Super Hornet

https://www.janes.com/article/93725/block-2-irst-flies-on-super-hornet

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/725/93725/p1771288.jpg)
The Block 2 IRST centerline pod will enable the Super Hornet to identify and track aircraft from their thermal signature. (Boeing)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/01/2020 | 08:38 uur
Royal Australian Air Force completes training mission, departs from Luke

https://www.aetc.af.mil/News/Article/2058078/royal-australian-air-force-completes-training-mission-departs-from-luke/

(https://media.defense.gov/2020/Jan/15/2002235103/780/780/0/191122-F-VI840-0033.JPG)
Royal Australian air force pilots pose following their final training flight at Luke Air Force Base Nov. 22, 2019, at Luke AFB, Ariz. The RAAF began training at Luke with the 61st Fighter Squadron and Aircraft Maintenance Unit in December 2014 with two F-35s. Since then, 34 Australian pilots and 16 instructor pilots have completed training. As of January 2020, the RAAF owns 20 F-35s. (U.S. Air Force photo by Airman 1st Class Leala Marquez)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/01/2020 | 08:46 uur
Unlike Finland, Canada nixes cold-weather tests, fly-off among competing fighter jets

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/unlike-finland-canada-nixes-cold-weather-tests-fly-off-among-competing-fighter-jets?fbclid=IwAR1rNwwaYx1GnCpgJ65tOrYvqLHti1e14rSnVQp89e_FTAJ_N9Cv02EgXEk
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/01/2020 | 14:16 uur
Deliveries to Eurofighter partner nations near conclusion

https://www.janes.com/article/93771/deliveries-to-eurofighter-partner-nations-near-conclusion

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/771/93771/p1519529.jpg)
Spain is set to become the third partner nation after the UK and Germany to receive its final Eurofighter aircraft, with Italy to very shortly follow suit. (Eurofighter)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/01/2020 | 08:58 uur
'Contract voor Poolse F-35's komt eraan'

Leonard van den Broek  20/01/2020

Deze maand zal het contract worden ondertekend voor de aankoop van de Lockheed Martin F-35 voor de Poolse luchtmacht. Dit bevestigde de Poolse minister van Defensie via sociale media.

Onderhandelingen

In een interview met een Poolse radiozender zei minister Błaszczak van Defensie dat de onderhandelingen met Amerika over de aankoop van de toestellen bijna zijn afgerond. Hij zei ervan overtuigd te zijn dat in januari de overeenkomst zal worden ondertekend voor de aanschaf van 32 F-35 gevechtsvliegtuigen.

Compensatie

Volgens Poolse media vertegenwoordigt het contract (inclusief onder meer reserve-onderdelen, training en ondersteuning) een waarde van 6,5 miljard US dollar. Polen ziet af van compensatie-orders, omdat de kosten daarvan (ongeveer 1 miljard US dollar) te hoog werden geacht. In plaats daarvan hoopt Polen op aparte samenwerkingsovereenkomsten tussen de Amerikaanse en Poolse luchtvaartindustrie.

Vervangen

Naar verwachting zullen de eerste F-35's voor Polen in 2024 worden afgeleverd. Deze zullen net als de eerste Nederlandse F-35's, in Amerika worden gebruikt voor het omscholen van piloten. De eerste F-35's zullen waarschijnlijk in 2026 naar Polen komen. De toestellen zullen de verouderde MiG-29's en Su-22's gaan vervangen.

https://www.upinthesky.nl/2020/01/20/contract-voor-poolse-f-35s-komt-eraan/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/01/2020 | 11:28 uur
WATCH: French jets arrive in Finland for a week of combat tests (HX kandidaat nummer 2)

https://newsnowfinland.fi/domestic/watch-french-jets-arrive-in-finland-for-a-week-of-combat-tests

(https://newsnowfinland.fi/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/dassault-rafale.jpg)
File picture of Dassault's Rafale aircraft at Pirkkala Air Base, 20th January 2020 / Credit: Ilmavoimat
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 22/01/2020 | 10:19 uur
F-35 sensors help ground interceptors engage "air-breathing" targets

The Lockheed Martin F-35 has demonstrated has demonstrated a capability to downlink targeting data about multiple "air-breathing threats" to ground forces.

The work took place at White Sands Missile Range in December 2019, according to Lockheed Martin. A pair of US Air Force F-35s were integrated with the US Army's Integrated Air and Missile Defense Battle Command System (IBCS), with the fighters "providing an airborne sensor capability to successfully detect, track and intercept near simultaneous air-breathing threats."

The aircraft and IBCS were connected through the Multifunction Advanced Data Link (MADL) in the proof of concept activity. It marked the first time F-35s were used as sensors during an IBCS live fire test against multiple targets.

"The F-35's advanced sensors and connectivity enable it to gather, analyse and seamlessly share critical information with the joint fighting force to lead the multi-domain battlespace," says Greg Ulmer, Lockheed Martin vice president and general manager of the F-35 program.

"This test validated the F-35's capability to serve as an airborne sensor and extend the range of critical Integrated Air and Missile Defense interceptors."

The company did not state the size of the targets engaged, but such a capability would prove useful against low flying targets such as cruise missiles.

The work also demonstrated a way to engage low-flying threats that are over the horizon or terrain masked.

https://www.flightglobal.com/f-35-sensors-help-ground-interceptors-engage-air-breathing-targets/136270.article
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 22/01/2020 | 11:46 uur
Poeh, poeh, de F-18E/F Super Hornet moest van de US Navy juist vanwege deze dreiging, spoedig van een AESA / active phased array radar worden voorzien.
"We want a X-band AESA as soon as possible in the air, to downlink fire control solutions to surface combatants."   In juli 2003 maakte de APG-79 AESA haar eerste vlucht aan boord van een Super Hornet test kist.  In de tweede helft van 2006 werd deze radar ingezet tijdens een eerste deployment.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 22/01/2020 | 11:58 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 22/01/2020 | 11:46 uur
Poeh, poeh, de F-18E/F Super Hornet moest van de US Navy juist vanwege deze dreiging, spoedig van een AESA / active phased array radar worden voorzien.
"We want a X-band AESA as soon as possible in the air, to downlink fire control solutions to surface combatants."   In juli 2003 maakte de APG-79 AESA haar eerste vlucht aan boord van een Super Hornet test kist.  In de tweede helft van 2006 werd deze radar ingezet tijdens een eerste deployment.

Ja maar dit is de F-35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/01/2020 | 12:02 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 22/01/2020 | 11:58 uur
Ja maar dit is de F-35.

En ook nog eens in dienst van USAF.

https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2020-01-21-U-S-Army-and-Air-Force-Team-up-for-Multi-Domain-Operations

Die van de US Navy (F-35C) en USMC (F-35B en F-35C) kunnen hetzelfde.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/01/2020 | 08:41 uur
Lightning Strikes Miramar: 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing welcomes Corps' first F-35C

By 1st Lt. Charles C. Allen | 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing | January 22, 2020

MARINE CORPS AIR STATION MIRAMAR, Calif. --
3rd Marine Air Wing made history when it welcomed the Marine Corps' first F-35C Lightning II to Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, California, Jan. 21, 2020.

The Marines and sailors of Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 314, the "Black Knights," are extremely proud of their legacy and tradition of making aviation history.

"It should be no surprise that VMFA-314 is once again leading the way into the next generation of fighter attack aircraft," said Lt. Col Cedar Hinton, commanding officer of VMFA-314.

The squadron's history began with its commissioning in 1943 at MCAS Cherry Point, North Carolina, as the "Bob's Cats." In 1952, they were the first squadron in 3rd MAW to transition to jet aircraft and fly the F-9F Panther. In 1957, they officially became the "Black Knights" with the arrival of the F-4D Skyray. In October 1961, the "Black Knights" were the first Marine Corps squadron to transition to the F-4B Phantom and in 1982, the first in the Department of the Navy to fly the F/A-18 Hornet.

The "Black Knights" have proven themselves time and again from campaigns in the South Pacific to the Vietnam War and from Operation El Dorado Canyon to the Global War on Terror. VMFA-314's storied history should give the American people confidence that the "Black Knights" will continue to fix, fly, and fight the next generation of aircraft.

The F-35C is one of three variants fielded by the Department of Defense.  It is a result of decades of advancements that provide aviation capabilities previously thought unattainable.

The "C" variant was designed to operate from an aircraft carrier and is the first 5th generation long-range stealth strike fighter jet designed for that mission. The F-35C's control surfaces and landing gear are better equipped for carrier operation than the other variants. The F-35C is equipped with larger internal fuel storage, which when combined with its ability to refuel in-flight, extends its range and allows for enhanced flight time when compared to other aircraft.

The F-35 variants include the F-35A, which utilizes conventional takeoff and landing and is designed to operate from traditional land-based runways. The F-35B is a short takeoff and vertical landing variant and specifically designed to operate from austere airfields and amphibious ships.  3rd MAW is proud that it now employs the first F-35C squadron along with two F-35B squadrons with more planned in the near future.

"The F-35C represents the leading edge of advanced fighter attack aircraft today," said Hinton.  "It will give the Black Knights a technological advantage across the entire spectrum of tactical aviation.  This includes everything from advanced sensor and weapon integration to increased range and endurance. We will be more survivable and more lethal than we have ever been."

The "Black Knights" are now one of three F-35 squadrons in 3rd MAW, with more coming soon, which gives credence to 3rd MAW's reputation as the Marine Corps' premier and most lethal aviation wing.

The "Black Knights'" transition to the F-35C began in June 2019 and was marked by the traditional "sun-down" ceremony where VMFA-314 flew the Hornet for the last time.  After which, they began training on the F-35C.

The next 3rd MAW squadron set to transition from the F/A-18 is VMFA-225, which will celebrate their last F/A-18 flight on Jan. 23, 2020.

VMFA-314 spent the latter portion of 2019 at Naval Air Station Lemoore, California preparing for their operations certifications and completing squadron-wide F-35C qualifications. This process ensured the squadron was equipped with qualified personnel to implement the maintenance and safety programs necessary for an operational F-35 squadron.

"Transitioning a squadron into a new aircraft with many new Marines comes with a lot of challenges," said Hinton. "However, it also provides a unique opportunity to start fresh and build a strong squadron culture from the ground up.  We are all extremely excited to ensure the 'Black Knights' continue our legacy of leading from the front as we deliver this new capability to 3rd MAW."

3rd MAW will continue to pave the way for the future of Marine Corps aviation and "Fix, Fly, and Fight" as the Marine Corps' largest aircraft wing.

https://www.3rdmaw.marines.mil/News/Article/2062644/lightning-strikes-miramar-3rd-marine-aircraft-wing-welcomes-corps-first-f-35c/

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U.S Marine Corps Lt. Col. Cedar L. Hinton, commanding officer of Marine Wing Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 314, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing (MAW), lands VMFA-314's first F-35C Lightning II on Marine Air Station Miramar, Calif., Jan. 21, 2020. The F-35C will give 3rd MAW a technological advantage by bringing the next wave of 5th generation fighter jets to its arsenal. The F-35C represents the next step in aviation, introducing upgraded internal fuel storage capacity, enhanced stealth capability and the reliability found in other F-35 variants. These capabilities will ensure 3rd MAW is well-equipped to meet the threats of tomorrow. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Sgt. Dominic Romero)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/01/2020 | 08:59 uur
Fighter jet competitors still wait to hear if they meet Canada's interoperability requirements

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/fighter-jet-competitors-still-wait-to-hear-if-they-meet-canadas-interoperability-requirements
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/01/2020 | 08:33 uur
US Navy explores new Advanced Electronic Warfare suite options

https://www.janes.com/article/93877/us-navy-explores-new-advanced-electronic-warfare-suite-options

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The USN is studying options for a new EW suite on future carrier-borne aircraft and its F/A-18E/F fleet. Source: Boeing
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/01/2020 | 14:58 uur
Poland to sign $4.6 billion F-35 fighter jet deal: minister (van 6,5 miljard USD (DSCA) naar 4,6 miljard USD)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-poland-lockheed/poland-to-sign-4-6-billion-f-35-fighter-jet-deal-minister-idUSKBN1ZQ0T5
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/01/2020 | 15:04 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/01/2020 | 14:58 uur
Poland to sign $4.6 billion F-35 fighter jet deal: minister (van 6,5 miljard USD (DSCA) naar 4,6 miljard USD)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-poland-lockheed/poland-to-sign-4-6-billion-f-35-fighter-jet-deal-minister-idUSKBN1ZQ0T5

De verlaging van prijs had, naar wat ik gelezen had, te maken met het laten vallen van de eis om compensatie in Polen.

   
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/01/2020 | 15:13 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 27/01/2020 | 15:04 uur
De verlaging van prijs had, naar wat ik gelezen had, te maken met het laten vallen van de eis om compensatie in Polen.

Misschien maar beter ook. In ieder geval is Polen vanaf komende vrijdag de zevende Europese F-35 gebruiker. Wie weet of Finland en Zwitserland aan het rijtje kunnen worden toegevoegd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/01/2020 | 16:00 uur
@securitysplat

CitaatFirst #F35 for #Denmark on the production line at Fort Worth. Photo via @LockheedMartin
http://www.fmi.dk/nyt-kampfly/aktuelt/Pages/danmarks-forste-f-35-paa-produktionsbaandet-i-fort-worth.aspx ...

(https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fmi.dk%2Fnyt-kampfly%2Faktuelt%2FPublishingImages%2Ffirst-f35-fort-worth-3_560x.jpg&hash=9ae5e7a0bdf9abcece1e01fb1a6be4200baa5a55)

https://twitter.com/securitysplat/status/1221805243270340609
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 27/01/2020 | 20:52 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/01/2020 | 14:58 uur
Poland to sign $4.6 billion F-35 fighter jet deal: minister (van 6,5 miljard USD (DSCA) naar 4,6 miljard USD)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-poland-lockheed/poland-to-sign-4-6-billion-f-35-fighter-jet-deal-minister-idUSKBN1ZQ0T5
Van gemiddeld USD 203,13 miljoen dus naar USD 143,75 miljoen per F-35A, zonder compensatie orders.

Belgie betaald voor 34 F-35A's in totaal USD 6,53 miljard, inclusief compensatie orders = gemiddeld USD 192,06 miljoen per kist.

De Amerikanen hebben echter een hekel aan compensatie orders.  Want daarbij worden de factuur bedragen met een vork geschreven, want bijna altijd geen concurrentie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 27/01/2020 | 21:54 uur
Wordt België nu hier even in het ootje genomen? Dat is nogal een verschil.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/01/2020 | 21:57 uur
6,53 miljard USD volgens DSCA voor de Belgen, maar wat betalen zij echt?

https://dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/belgium-f-35-joint-strike-fighter-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 28/01/2020 | 00:20 uur
Bij de vorige "aankoop van de eeuw", bedong Nederland en Belgie compensatie opdrachten.  Voor Nederland bedroeg die compensatie 100 %.  Zodra jij compensatie gaat bedingen en de fabrikant / aannemer gaat akkoord.  Dan gaat ook het aanschaf bedrag omhoog, want de slechte, niet-concurrerende, prijzen van die compensatie opdrachten moeten zo gecompenseerd worden.  Nu vonden de Amerikanen dat al lange tijd maar niets.  Want in hun ogen (vermaledijde) staatsteun, die de kostprijs opdrijft puur en alleen voor gecreëerde werkgelegenheid.  Waarbij derden door anderen ontworpen en vaak door de oorspronkelijke fabrikanten gebouwde componenten, tegen extra kosten,  in elkaar mag schroeven.
Zo rond medio jaren 80 zeiden ze dat ze voortaan met industriële participaties al in de ontwikkelingsfase van nieuwe wapensystemen zouden overgaan.

Nu zijn er Europese politici van landen, die geen partner zijn in die ontwikkeling en vragen toch om compensatie (orders).  Aldus gebeurde in Belgie en Polen.
Helaas, ook de EU vindt dat dat soort orders een vorm van staatssteun is en dat mag dus niet meer. 
Er komt echter wek een overeenkomst, waarbij State Department (BuZa) of de hoofd-aannemer (LockheedMartin) de verplichting met het Belgische bedrijfsleven aangaat.  Om een aantal industriële participatie projecten op te zetten.  Waarbij net als in de JSF Participatie overeenkomst van de Partnerlanden, geen garantie is gegeven van welk werk men uiteindelijk gaat krijgen en voor welke prijs.  Of te wel: Belgisch bedrijfsleven, u kunt deelnemen in nog uit te voeren ontwikkelings-, en productie werk.  Maar dan moet u wel op prijs-kwaliteit concurrerend binnen zien te komen.  Uiteraard, gaan de Amerikanen natuurlijk geen orders weggeven, die in zijn totaliteit boven het Belgische totale order-bedrag liggen.

Die USD 6,35 miljard, vermeld in het DSCA bericht is op basis van Foreign Military Sales (FMS).  Loopt dus via State Dept. (BuZa) en dat betekend dat er in dit geschatte bedrag geen ontwikkelingskosten zitten.
Kwamen de compensatie-orders zonder concurrentie dus als het ware zo aanwaaien.  Nu moeten ze daar voor knokken en de zwakste bedrijven beginnen uiteraard het eerst en het hardst te klagen. 

Dus kregen de Belgen, net als Polen, toch een aantal 'kortingen'.   Zo melde het Belgische MinDef na tekening van de F-35A order, in de media dat deze toch goedkoper was uitgevallen.   Want dat ze de USD 475 miljoen totale ontwikkelingskosten voor 34 F-35A's door het Pentagon waren kwijtgescholden.  Plus tot 2030 de nog jaarlijks te doende ontwikkelingskosten a USD 7,2 miljoen, in totaal USD 79,2 miljoen, zouden ze ook niet hoeven te betalen.  Alleen kent bijna geen enkele burger en politicus het verschil tussen een FMS en een Direct Commercial Sale (DCS) contract prijs.  Volgens de kleine lettertjes van de FMS condities, worden deze echter in de toekomst uitgesmeerd over te maken onderhoud-, reparatie en revisie / modernisering-werkzaamheden.
Ruwweg betaald Belgie uiteindelijk tussen de USD 160 - waarschijnlijker richting de 176 miljoen per F-35A.

Ik neem aan dat Polen geheel heeft afgezien van die in feite vage industriële participatie overeenkomst en daarvoor een korting heeft bedongen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 28/01/2020 | 10:57 uur
Wij betalen 3.8 miljard.


"Wat kopen we?

34 nieuwe gevechtstoestellen, uiteraard. Vandaag vliegt de luchtmacht nog met 54 F-16's. Om de kosten te drukken, wordt dit teruggebracht tot 34 F-35's. Fabrikant Lockheed Martin zal die bouwen in zijn fabriek in Texas. Tegen 2025 moeten de eerste toestellen in België aankomen. Vijf jaar later moet de hele vloot er zijn.

Maar het 'contract van de eeuw' omvat veel meer dan de jachtvliegtuigen. In de aankoopprijs van 3,8 miljard euro is onder meer de levering van 67 hightech helmen voorzien, waarmee de piloten door het karkas van het vliegtuig kunnen zien. Ook de plaatsing van acht simulatoren, voor opleidingen en trainingen van piloten, zit in de prijs verrekend. En er wordt meteen een stock wisselstukken en munitie geleverd. Het gaat om honderd raketten voor korte afstand, honderd raketten voor lange afstand, duizend precisiebommen en munitie voor het boordkanon.

Een ander belangrijk onderdeel van de deal zijn de ontwikkelingskosten. De F-35 is een gevechtstoestel van de 'vijfde generatie', een vliegende supercomputer. Maar net zoals een laptop of smartphone heeft de software daarin geregeld updates nodig om goed te werken en om voldoende beschermd te blijven tegen de nieuwste hackerstrucs. Op deze ontwikkelingskosten hebben de Verenigde Staten België overigens een royale korting van 450 miljoen euro gegeven, om ons land helemaal te verleiden.

De verwachting is dat de F-35 goed dertig jaar in dienst zal blijven. De totale kost daarvan wordt momenteel geschat op ruim 12,5 miljard euro. Een enorm bedrag, waarin de personeelskosten van piloten en technici, het dagelijks onderhoud en de brandstofkosten worden gerekend. Dit zijn dus niet echt 'nieuwe' kosten: ze worden nu ook al gemaakt voor de huidige F-16-vloot."

https://www.demorgen.be/nieuws/f-35-het-contract-van-de-eeuw-ontleed~bf4de5b7/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 28/01/2020 | 11:02 uur
Het bedrag in de 'approval of a possible military sale' is een (hoge) schatting voor onderhandelingen. Beetje raar dat jullie dat niet weten.

De schatting voor de Polen was 6.5 miljard dollar.
https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/poland-f-35-joint-strike-fighter-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/01/2020 | 11:21 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 28/01/2020 | 11:02 uur
Het bedrag in de 'approval of a possible military sale' is een (hoge) schatting voor onderhandelingen. Beetje raar dat jullie dat niet weten.

De schatting voor de Polen was 6.5 miljard dollar.
https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/poland-f-35-joint-strike-fighter-aircraft

DSCA berichten geven inderdaad een hogere schatting dan dat er uiteindelijk wordt betaald. Vandaar dat ik vroeg wat jullie werkelijk betalen. Het artikel van De Morgen had ik nog niet gevonden. Dank dat je het hebt vermeld.

Ben benieuwd welk type AIM-120 het zal worden (-C7 of -D).

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 28/01/2020 | 21:26 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 28/01/2020 | 11:02 uur
Het bedrag in de 'approval of a possible military sale' is een (hoge) schatting voor onderhandelingen. Beetje raar dat jullie dat niet weten.

De schatting voor de Polen was 6.5 miljard dollar.
https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/poland-f-35-joint-strike-fighter-aircraft
Deze DSCA meldingen zijn inderdaad schattingen, dat is hier ook al eerder opgemerkt.  Maar worden in de defensie industrie en vakbladen wel als betrouwbare kosten indicator beschouwd. 

Bij de order voor onze nieuwe BENESAM mijnenjagers maakte de Naval Group een laatste aanbod met een 10 % korting.  Maar doken daarbij wel onder de kostprijs, Naval Group kan dat, want ca. 66 % in handen van de Franse regering.  En die korting wordt gewoon weer verrekend met onderhoud-, reparatie-, en revisie contracten.  Het bod van Naval Group en ECA is dan ook qua exploitatie kosten hoger dan de concurrentie.  Dus een sigaar uit ons eigen doos !   

Amerikaanse wetgeving staat echter niet toe, dat wapensystemen aan export klanten op zulke wijze worden verkocht.  Met een aanschafprijs die lager ligt dan de aanschafprijs die het Pentagon er voor moet / moest betalen.  Omdat ontwikkelingskosten "sunk costs" zijn, want al voor of tijdens de ontwikkeling betaald, zitten deze kosten dus ook niet in de uiteindelijke verkoopprijs te berekenen aan het Pentagon.  Export klanten kunnen kiezen tussen "Direct Commercial Sale" (DCS), waarbij direct met de fabrikant wordt onderhandeld en deze ontwikkelingskosten vaak gelijk wel doorberekend worden in de aanschaf prijs.  Of men kiest voor een "Foreign Military Sale" (FMS), onderhandelingen lopen dan via het Amerikaanse BuZa (State Department).  Dan krijgt men net als het Pentagon, een aankoop prijs zonder ontwikkelingskosten.  Maar omdat het US DoD die kosten al betaald heeft, worden ze nu afgewenteld in de toekomst op verplicht af te sluiten reparatie-, onderhoud-, en revisie contracten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 28/01/2020 | 21:57 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 28/01/2020 | 10:57 uur
Wij betalen 3.8 miljard.     "Wat kopen we?   34 nieuwe gevechtstoestellen, uiteraard. Vandaag vliegt de luchtmacht nog met 54 F-16's. Om de kosten te drukken, wordt dit teruggebracht tot 34 F-35's. Fabrikant Lockheed Martin zal die bouwen in zijn fabriek in Texas. Tegen 2025 moeten de eerste toestellen in België aankomen. Vijf jaar later moet de hele vloot er zijn.
Maar het 'contract van de eeuw' omvat veel meer dan de jachtvliegtuigen. In de aankoopprijs van 3,8 miljard euro is onder meer de levering van 67 hightech helmen voorzien, waarmee de piloten door het karkas van het vliegtuig kunnen zien. Ook de plaatsing van acht simulatoren, voor opleidingen en trainingen van piloten, zit in de prijs verrekend. En er wordt meteen een stock wisselstukken en munitie geleverd. Het gaat om honderd raketten voor korte afstand, honderd raketten voor lange afstand, duizend precisiebommen en munitie voor het boordkanon.

Een ander belangrijk onderdeel van de deal zijn de ontwikkelingskosten. De F-35 is een gevechtstoestel van de 'vijfde generatie', een vliegende supercomputer. Maar net zoals een laptop of smartphone heeft de software daarin geregeld updates nodig om goed te werken en om voldoende beschermd te blijven tegen de nieuwste hackerstrucs. Op deze ontwikkelingskosten hebben de Verenigde Staten België overigens een royale korting van 450 miljoen euro gegeven, om ons land helemaal te verleiden.
De verwachting is dat de F-35 goed dertig jaar in dienst zal blijven. De totale kost daarvan wordt momenteel geschat op ruim 12,5 miljard euro. Een enorm bedrag, waarin de personeelskosten van piloten en technici, het dagelijks onderhoud en de brandstofkosten worden gerekend. Dit zijn dus niet echt 'nieuwe' kosten: ze worden nu ook al gemaakt voor de huidige F-16-vloot."    https://www.demorgen.be/nieuws/f-35-het-contract-van-de-eeuw-ontleed~bf4de5b7/
The official figure for the program is NOK 62.6 billion in adjusted 2013 currency value, which is around $10.7 billion as of April 2013. That figure has remained stable since 2008, despite Pentagon adjustments that have seen official F-35 prices rise by well over 30%.


Nov 24/2011: $50 billion? Norwegian MP Roger Ingebrigtsen [Troms, Labour Party], and Rear Admiral Arne Røksund, head of their Department of Defence Policy and Long-Term Planning, visit Canada. They respond to Canadian MP Christine Moore [Abitibi–Temiscamingue, NDP], who asks about Norway's planned budgets:

"Mr. Roger Ingebrigtsen: It's about $10 billion U.S. That's for 51 or 52 air fighters. That's $10 billion today...(24 nov. 2011)
RAdm Arne Røksund: ...The life cycle costs will be, I think, about–this is not public yet, so I have to be careful – $40 billion U.S. over 30 years. So that's life cycle costs over 30 years, all included.

Ms. Christine Moore: ...So the $10 billion is simply to purchase the aircraft themselves.
RAdm Arne Røksund: That is for the planes, initial logistics included, repair kits, and so on, for the first few years."


The purchase figures are consistent with accounts of NOK 61 – 72 billion, but the 30-year sustainment costs are new.

June 6/2011: Defense Minister Grete Faremo is called in to an open Parliamentary hearing about the F-35A.
What the Defense minister will say is this (translated from Norwegian):
"With the revised assumptions, the estimated cost of the acquisition of 56 aircraft now estimated at about [NOK] 52 billion [present value 2011 figure]. Without discounting the expected cost (P-50) for the entire combat aircraft purchase 61 billion 2011-NOK. Including uncertainty deposition (P-85)... 72 billion 2011-NOK."
That's a range of $9.7 – 13.43 billion, or about $173 – 240 million per plane. The entire program would, of course, include other costs beyond flyaway purchase. Norway's Forsvarsdepartmentet statement external link [in Norwegian] | VNN external link:  https://www.regjeringen.no/no/dokumentarkiv/stoltenberg-ii/fd/taler-og-artikler/2011/forsvarsministerens-innlegg-ved-apen-hor/id646581/

Bovenstaande delen overgenomen van:  https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/f35-lightning-ii-faces-continued-dogfights-in-norway-03034/

2020:  Het Noorse F-35A verwerving budget staat vanaf 2008 tot op heden nog steeds op ruim USD 10 miljard voor 52 kisten.
USD 10 miljard / 52 F-35A's = gemiddeld USD 192,31 miljoen per kist.

En dan denken de Belgen voor 34 F-35A's EUR 3,8 miljard kwijt te zijn, met 100x AIM9X-en; 100x AIM-120's en 1.000 geleide bommen toe.
Terwijl wij voor 37 LightningII's dik EUR 4,5 miljard kwijt zijn.  Een order met 8,8 % meer jachtvliegtuigen.  EUR 3,8 miljard euro / 34 = EUR 111,76 miljoen, 4,5 miljard / 37 = EUR 121,62 miljoen.  Miljaar !, maar ook een 8,8 % hogere aanschaf prijs per kist voor Nederland.  En dit, terwijl wij JSF Partnerland zijn en Belgie niet.  'Beetje' vreemd.

Alee, als we die USD 6,35 miljard DSCA schatting delen door 34 F-35A's, dan krijgen we gemiddeld USD 192,06 miljoen.  Vergeleken met het Noorse aankoop budget per F-35A, zit daar een verschil in dat kleiner is dan 1 procent !

Op marineschepen.nl zit een Belg, Serge Dujardin werkzaam in de defensie-industrie en die schreef 2 maanden geleden dit over jullie F-35A order:
"Ik weet niet hoe het in NLD zit met de opname van de opties F35, maar in BEL wordt de ontnuchtering met de dag groter. De optie vlieghelm ingeschreven voor 240K per stuk is inmiddels opgelopen tot 640K. Van een oplichting gesproken !"
zie: https://marineschepen.nl/nieuws/Fregatten-later-vervangen-door-F-35-211119.html

En ligt dus in lijn met het De Morgen artikel van 25 oktober 2018:  https://www.demorgen.be/nieuws/f-35-het-contract-van-de-eeuw-ontleed~bf4de5b7/

Citaat: "KAN DE FACTUUR OPLOPEN?
Dit is misschien wel de grootste zorg. In zowat alle landen die momenteel de F-35 hebben aangekocht, worden snel exploderende kosten gerapporteerd in de media en in beleidsdocumenten.

In Canada was dit vorig jaar (2017) een van de redenen om een order van 65 F-35's even on hold te plaatsen. De Deense rekenkamer vreest dat de kosten van het toestel zwaar onderschat worden. Een rapport van het House of Lords stelt dat de Britse krijgsmacht eigenlijk geen idee heeft van de langetermijnkosten van de F-35."

A-welde mijner Zuiderburen: saecken seyn saecken (zaken zijn zaken).  En wie het ondersten uit den kan wilt, die krijgt het lid op den neus.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 28/01/2020 | 22:08 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 28/01/2020 | 21:57 uur

Op marineschepen.nl zit een Belg, Serge Dujardin werkzaam in de defensie-industrie en die schreef 2 maanden geleden dit over jullie F-35A order:
"Ik weet niet hoe het in NLD zit met de opname van de opties F35, maar in BEL wordt de ontnuchtering met de dag groter. De optie vlieghelm ingeschreven voor 240K per stuk is inmiddels opgelopen tot 640K. Van een oplichting gesproken !"
zie: https://marineschepen.nl/nieuws/Fregatten-later-vervangen-door-F-35-211119.html

A-welde mijner Zuiderburen: saecken seyn saecken (zaken zijn zaken).  En wie het ondersten uit den kan wilt, die krijgt het lid op den neus.

Ik ben dus redelijk goed op de hoogte van de Belgische 'DMO', en hun afdeling Luchtvaartsystemen. De afgelopen decennia is er bezuinigd op defensie van Belgie, Nederland, alleen de bijl van BE was een stukje groter. Wij hebben veel meer ondersteuning in onze afdelingen dan de Belgen hebben, dit uit zich dus in een bepaalde mate van inzicht en controle.
De Belgen hebben veel inzicht niet doordat veel functies en kenniscentra niet 'meer' aanwezig zijn. NL heeft het hele apparaat bezuinigd, niet lang geleden, waar alle materieel organisaties werden gecentraliseerd onder de DMO.

Daarbij is er al flink afgeslankt maar nog steeds hebben we eigen brand en bedrijfsstoffen kenniscentra, zelfde voor kleding, munitie, noem het maar op. Er is een reden waarom we de BE Marine kleden, we ondersteunen de Belgen nu op alle drie de ketenlogistieke gebieden (Munitie, Brandstof, Kleding).. dat wordt alleen maar meer. Groter inkopen geeft meer korting, daarbij missen de Belgen net als wij personeel, dat drukt bij hun nog veel harder. Onze infra is niet in optimale staat, laat ik het zo drukken, moet daar nog veel erger zijn.

De Belgische materieel organisatie, en dit zeg ik op persoonlijke titel om gedoe te voorkomen, is echt een rommeltje en mist veel 'realiteitszin' en ontbreekt het aan compliance mechanismen. Keer op keer krijgen ze het daar voor elkaar met materieelprojecten in de mist te gaan. Het is populair de politiek de schuld te geven maar je krijgt als politicus echt geen wapensysteem/platform doorgedrukt zonder medewerking van zowel de militaire als ambtelijke functionarissen in het proces.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: RTB op 28/01/2020 | 22:52 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 28/01/2020 | 21:57 uur
The official figure for the program is NOK 62.6 billion in adjusted 2013 currency value, which is around $10.7 billion as of April 2013. That figure has remained stable since 2008, despite Pentagon adjustments that have seen official F-35 prices rise by well over 30%.


Nov 24/2011: $50 billion? Norwegian MP Roger Ingebrigtsen [Troms, Labour Party], and Rear Admiral Arne Røksund, head of their Department of Defence Policy and Long-Term Planning, visit Canada. They respond to Canadian MP Christine Moore [Abitibi–Temiscamingue, NDP], who asks about Norway's planned budgets:

"Mr. Roger Ingebrigtsen: It's about $10 billion U.S. That's for 51 or 52 air fighters. That's $10 billion today...(24 nov. 2011)
RAdm Arne Røksund: ...The life cycle costs will be, I think, about–this is not public yet, so I have to be careful – $40 billion U.S. over 30 years. So that's life cycle costs over 30 years, all included.

Ms. Christine Moore: ...So the $10 billion is simply to purchase the aircraft themselves.
RAdm Arne Røksund: That is for the planes, initial logistics included, repair kits, and so on, for the first few years."


The purchase figures are consistent with accounts of NOK 61 – 72 billion, but the 30-year sustainment costs are new.

June 6/2011: Defense Minister Grete Faremo is called in to an open Parliamentary hearing about the F-35A.
What the Defense minister will say is this (translated from Norwegian):
"With the revised assumptions, the estimated cost of the acquisition of 56 aircraft now estimated at about [NOK] 52 billion [present value 2011 figure]. Without discounting the expected cost (P-50) for the entire combat aircraft purchase 61 billion 2011-NOK. Including uncertainty deposition (P-85)... 72 billion 2011-NOK."
That's a range of $9.7 – 13.43 billion, or about $173 – 240 million per plane. The entire program would, of course, include other costs beyond flyaway purchase. Norway's Forsvarsdepartmentet statement external link [in Norwegian] | VNN external link:  https://www.regjeringen.no/no/dokumentarkiv/stoltenberg-ii/fd/taler-og-artikler/2011/forsvarsministerens-innlegg-ved-apen-hor/id646581/

Bovenstaande delen overgenomen van:  https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/f35-lightning-ii-faces-continued-dogfights-in-norway-03034/

2020:  Het Noorse F-35A verwerving budget staat vanaf 2008 tot op heden nog steeds op ruim USD 10 miljard voor 52 kisten.
USD 10 miljard / 52 F-35A's = gemiddeld USD 192,31 miljoen per kist.

En dan denken de Belgen voor 34 F-35A's EUR 3,8 miljard kwijt te zijn, met 100x AIM9X-en; 100x AIM-120's en 1.000 geleide bommen toe.
Terwijl wij voor 37 LightningII's dik EUR 4,5 miljard kwijt zijn.  Een order met 8,8 % meer jachtvliegtuigen.  EUR 3,8 miljard euro / 34 = EUR 111,76 miljoen, 4,5 miljard / 37 = EUR 121,62 miljoen.  Miljaar !, maar ook een 8,8 % hogere aanschaf prijs per kist voor Nederland.  En dit, terwijl wij JSF Partnerland zijn en Belgie niet.  'Beetje' vreemd.

Alee, als we die USD 6,35 miljard DSCA schatting delen door 34 F-35A's, dan krijgen we gemiddeld USD 192,06 miljoen.  Vergeleken met het Noorse aankoop budget per F-35A, zit daar een verschil in dat kleiner is dan 1 procent !

Op marineschepen.nl zit een Belg, Serge Dujardin werkzaam in de defensie-industrie en die schreef 2 maanden geleden dit over jullie F-35A order:
"Ik weet niet hoe het in NLD zit met de opname van de opties F35, maar in BEL wordt de ontnuchtering met de dag groter. De optie vlieghelm ingeschreven voor 240K per stuk is inmiddels opgelopen tot 640K. Van een oplichting gesproken !"
zie: https://marineschepen.nl/nieuws/Fregatten-later-vervangen-door-F-35-211119.html

En ligt dus in lijn met het De Morgen artikel van 25 oktober 2018:  https://www.demorgen.be/nieuws/f-35-het-contract-van-de-eeuw-ontleed~bf4de5b7/

Citaat: "KAN DE FACTUUR OPLOPEN?
Dit is misschien wel de grootste zorg. In zowat alle landen die momenteel de F-35 hebben aangekocht, worden snel exploderende kosten gerapporteerd in de media en in beleidsdocumenten.

In Canada was dit vorig jaar (2017) een van de redenen om een order van 65 F-35's even on hold te plaatsen. De Deense rekenkamer vreest dat de kosten van het toestel zwaar onderschat worden. Een rapport van het House of Lords stelt dat de Britse krijgsmacht eigenlijk geen idee heeft van de langetermijnkosten van de F-35."

A-welde mijner Zuiderburen: saecken seyn saecken (zaken zijn zaken).  En wie het ondersten uit den kan wilt, die krijgt het lid op den neus.

De stuksprijs van een F-35 is gewoon openbaar, dat wordt door het Pentagon als block buy onderhandeld namens alle (FMS) partners. Alle getallen daarbuiten zijn onmogelijk te vergelijken, want dit hang af van wat er bij wordt gekocht en in welke aantallen (beide niet openbaar), grootte risicoreservering, valutaschommelingen, off-sets, opleidingen, e.d.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 28/01/2020 | 23:10 uur
We betalen dus 3.8 miljard euro voor 34. Defensie wil er trouwens 14 extra als deel van het addendum aan de Strategische Visie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 29/01/2020 | 10:33 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 28/01/2020 | 21:57 uur
Op marineschepen.nl zit een Belg, Serge Dujardin werkzaam in de defensie-industrie en die schreef 2 maanden geleden dit over jullie F-35A order:
"Ik weet niet hoe het in NLD zit met de opname van de opties F35, maar in BEL wordt de ontnuchtering met de dag groter. De optie vlieghelm ingeschreven voor 240K per stuk is inmiddels opgelopen tot 640K. Van een oplichting gesproken !"
zie: https://marineschepen.nl/nieuws/Fregatten-later-vervangen-door-F-35-211119.html

640k per helm is onzin en gebaseerd op een rekenfout door Giovanni de Briganti die de totaalprijs van het contract voor helmen "bedoeld voor LRIP x" deelde door het aantal vliegtuigen in die batch. Terwijl het uiteraard moet gedeeld worden door het aantal piloten, want de helmen worden individueel op maat gemaakt. Daarnaast is er in het contract 200 miljoen euro voorzien voor kostenoverschrijdingen.
(https://i.ibb.co/bFR961S/EJ6-F5-S4-X0-AAgx-A0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FXqTh6S)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 29/01/2020 | 10:41 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 28/01/2020 | 22:08 uur
Ik ben dus redelijk goed op de hoogte van de Belgische 'DMO', en hun afdeling Luchtvaartsystemen. De afgelopen decennia is er bezuinigd op defensie van Belgie, Nederland, alleen de bijl van BE was een stukje groter. Wij hebben veel meer ondersteuning in onze afdelingen dan de Belgen hebben, dit uit zich dus in een bepaalde mate van inzicht en controle.
De Belgen hebben veel inzicht niet doordat veel functies en kenniscentra niet 'meer' aanwezig zijn. NL heeft het hele apparaat bezuinigd, niet lang geleden, waar alle materieel organisaties werden gecentraliseerd onder de DMO.

Daarbij is er al flink afgeslankt maar nog steeds hebben we eigen brand en bedrijfsstoffen kenniscentra, zelfde voor kleding, munitie, noem het maar op. Er is een reden waarom we de BE Marine kleden, we ondersteunen de Belgen nu op alle drie de ketenlogistieke gebieden (Munitie, Brandstof, Kleding).. dat wordt alleen maar meer. Groter inkopen geeft meer korting, daarbij missen de Belgen net als wij personeel, dat drukt bij hun nog veel harder. Onze infra is niet in optimale staat, laat ik het zo drukken, moet daar nog veel erger zijn.

De Belgische materieel organisatie, en dit zeg ik op persoonlijke titel om gedoe te voorkomen, is echt een rommeltje en mist veel 'realiteitszin' en ontbreekt het aan compliance mechanismen. Keer op keer krijgen ze het daar voor elkaar met materieelprojecten in de mist te gaan. Het is populair de politiek de schuld te geven maar je krijgt als politicus echt geen wapensysteem/platform doorgedrukt zonder medewerking van zowel de militaire als ambtelijke functionarissen in het proces.

Allemaal heel erg waar, maar weinig relevant in dit specifiek dossier. Want dus niets aan van wat hier nu al een volle pagina in beslag neemt. Belgen niet in het ootje genomen. Einde verhaal.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/01/2020 | 11:13 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 28/01/2020 | 23:10 uur
Defensie wil er trouwens 14 extra als deel van het addendum aan de Strategische Visie.

Is dit een wens die zij al langere tijd hadden? 48 stuks lijkt mij wel een logische kwantiteit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 29/01/2020 | 11:16 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 29/01/2020 | 11:13 uur
Is dit een wens die zij al langere tijd hadden? 48 stuks lijkt mij wel een logische kwantiteit.

Ik heb altijd al aantallen tussen de 44 en de 50 gehoord.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/01/2020 | 11:54 uur
US Air Force issues sole source notices for F-15EX aircraft, engines

https://www.janes.com/article/93972/us-air-force-issues-sole-source-notices-for-f-15ex-aircraft-engines

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The General Electric F110-GE-129 engine that will power the Boeing F-15EX Advanced Eagle. Source: General Electric
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/01/2020 | 08:43 uur
Air Force Starts F-15EX Buying Process

https://www.airforcemag.com/air-force-starts-f-15ex-buying-process/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 30/01/2020 | 09:11 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 30/01/2020 | 08:43 uur
Air Force Starts F-15EX Buying Process

https://www.airforcemag.com/air-force-starts-f-15ex-buying-process/

Ik vind/vond de F-15 voor onze Oosterburen wel een serieuze optie, maar goed .. de Luftwaffe niet ...  :P
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/01/2020 | 09:32 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 30/01/2020 | 09:11 uur
Ik vind/vond de F-15 voor onze Oosterburen wel een serieuze optie, maar goed .. de Luftwaffe niet ...  :P

M.i. de beste optie, maar ergens denk ik dat de Fransozen dit een bedreiging vinden (net als de F35A) voor het FCAS project.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/01/2020 | 09:43 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/01/2020 | 09:32 uur
M.i. de beste optie, maar ergens denk ik dat de Fransozen dit een bedreiging vinden (net als de F35A) voor het FCAS project.

Triest dat Frankrijk mede de bottleneck vormt. De Duitse Tornado's zijn domweg nu aan vervanging toe. SCAF/FCAS is in feite de opvolger van de Rafale en Typhoon.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/01/2020 | 11:19 uur
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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 30/01/2020 | 12:42 uur
Volgens de Indonesische media zou de TNI AU (luchtmacht) interesse hebben in de aankoop van 48 Rafales, tijdens een bezoek van de Franse luchtmacht aan Indonesië hebben ze de kans aangegrepen om een demonstratie te geven aan 2 officieren van de TNI AU en deze hebben ook meegevlogen.

Bron:
https://indoaviation.asia/mantan-danskadron-11-akui-rafale-yang-diminati-prabowo-sangat-superior/

Het is en blijft Indonesië die hebben interesse in alles wat vliegt, vaart en rijd en militair is dus eerst afwachten wat hier uit gaat komen. Ze hebben interesse in 48 stuks maar grote aantallen is niet iets wat de Indonesiërs bekend om staan. Bij de gesprekken met Frankrijk word ook gesproken over de aankoop van 4 Scorpene onderzeeboten en 2 Gowind korvetten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 30/01/2020 | 13:19 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 28/01/2020 | 23:10 uur
We betalen dus 3.8 miljard euro voor 34. Defensie wil er trouwens 14 extra als deel van het addendum aan de Strategische Visie.
Beste man, dat geloof ik zeker en vast !  Maar ... alleen als ik eerst op cafe ben geweest en teveel aan Bacchus (god v.d. drank) hebt geofferd.

"De JSF, mijn god, dat wordt maar liefst 3 Betuwe-lijnen bij elkaar."

Tientallen jaren geleden, in de jaren 80, lanceerden Rotterdamse havenbaronnen het idee om een de kortste (A15) weg-, en water verbinding tussen Rotterdam-havengebied en Duitsland voorgoed te ontlasten door de bouw van een goederen spoorlijn.  Dit zou gelijk ook beter voor het milieu zijn.
Men sloeg aan het rekenen en daar rolde uit dat, om rendabel te zijn, er per dag 160 meer dan 1 km lange treinen hiervan gebruik moesten maken.
De havenbaronnen speelden een raffineerde lobby, door gezamenlijk op te trekken met grote bouwbedrijven.  Toevallig zitten in de achterban van het Christen Democratisch Apel (CDA) heel veel aannemers.  Nou deed deze CDA, haar bijnaam 'Corporatistisch Demokratisch Apel' eer aan door ook in die lobby deel te nemen, plus uiteraard de liberale partij VVD.

Begin jaren 90 kon ik ambtenaren, die goed ingevoerd waren in dit Betuwe-lijn project.   Zij wisten te vertellen dat de begrote NLG 7,5 miljard / 3,4 miljard euro, volstrekt onvoldoende was om deze spoorlijn te bouwen.  Maar-uh hoe komt dat bedrag dan te laag en waar denken jullie wat wel het juiste budget is ?
Die Betuwe-lijn gaat minstens het dubbele, NLG 15 miljard / EUR 6,8 miljard kosten.  Deze begroting wordt bewust te laag gehouden, om het politiek er door te krijgen.
De aannemers gaan echt niet onder de kostprijs werken, maar nemen genoegen met een magere, schrale winstmarge.
De opdrachtgever, heeft daarnaast het originele bestek flink uitgekleed.    Dit is een groot en lang lopend project, dus als de bouw eenmaal op gang is.  Dan komt ook het zogenaamde "meerwerk", of te wel de werkzaamheden die uit dat oorspronkelijke bestek zijn gehaald.  Worden nu in aparte projecten ondergebracht, waar aan een alternatieve project naam wordt gehangen.  Zodat het onoverzichtelijk en onduidelijk wordt, wat de werkelijke kosten van het gehele project zijn.  Dat "meerwerk" krijgt wel een vette, of zoals je wilt een goud gerande winstmarge, ter compensatie van die schrale marge op het originele bestek aanname som.

Eind jaren 90 werd dan ook gevraagd aan vervoersbedrijven of zij mee wilden betalen aan de Betuwe-lijn. Maar zij weigerden, want ze waren het er unaniem over eens dat deze spoorlijn nooit rendabel zou worden.

De Betuwe elektrische spoorlijn is in goed Nederlands high-tech, op zijn Vlaams "spits-technologie".  Huh ?  Ja,  alleen de spoorbreedte is het enige wat er standaard is, vergeleken met andere spoorlijnen.  160 goederen treinen per dag, dat is gemiddeld een meer dan een kilometer lange goederentrein per ruim 9 minuten.   Dus werd qua elektriciteitsvoorzieningen aanzienlijk veel vermogen gevraagd dan bij standaard gemengde goederen-, en passagier spoorlijnen.  Omdat er vaak gevaarlijke chemicaliën worden vervoerd, werden ook allerlei veiligheidsmaatregelen veel verder doorgevoerd dan normaal.

Officieel werd de Betuwe-lijn 'maar' NLG 10 miljard / EUR 4,5 miljard.  De werkelijke kosten bedragen echter NLG 22 miljard / EUR 10 miljard.  Maar dat wordt stil gehouden.
Evenals de meer dan het dubbele hoger uitvallende exploitatie kosten van de Betuwe-lijn. Citaat: "In het rapport is keihard vastgesteld dat de hogere kosten zijn verzwegen: het ministerie wist al jaren dat de Betuwelijn veel duurder uitpakte, maar meldde dat niet aan de Tweede Kamer. Een kwalijke zaak, zegt politiek verslaggever Roel Geeraedts: "Het ministerie doet bewust schimmig over deze kosten om de minister en staatssecretaris niet in de problemen te brengen. Maar het gaat wel om besteding van honderden miljoenen euro's aan belastinggeld.  In de periode 2006 tot 2013 meldde het ministerie van Infrastructuur en Milieu dat de overheid 76 miljoen bijdraagt aan de verliesgevende Betuweroute. In werkelijkheid gaf de staat meer dan het dubbele uit: EUR 170 miljoen. Maar het exacte bedrag is niet aan de Tweede Kamer gemeld, blijkt uit het kritische rapport. De jaren daarna (2013-2015) betaalde de staat nog eens 152 miljoen aan de Betuweroute. Ook dat bedrag is niet in openbare stukken terug te vinden."   
Zie: https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nederland/politiek/artikel/588106/betuwelijn-kost-ruim-250-miljoen-belastinggeld-extra-ministerie

De 'F-35A werd ons ook verkocht als zijnde 20 % goedkoper in de exploitatie dan een veel lichtere en veel eenvoudigere F-16C.
Men deed ons geloven dat een F-35A met een fly-away prijs a USD 37,1 miljoen een koopje was, een JAS-39A Gripen deed al echter USD 40 miljoen onder fly-away condities.
In 2002 concludeerde top-ambtenaren van ons Ministerie van Financieen dan ook terecht, dat deze gelikte Amerikaanse prijzen en verkoop verhaal "te mooi waren, om waar te zijn".   Maar, we hadden ook toen al een Defensie Industrie Strategie, om onze luchtvaart sector na het failliet van Fokker Aircraft weer op de kaart te zetten.
Dus ging dat MinFin rapport wel heel rap het archief in.

De gelijkenissen tussen de Betuwe-lijn en F-16 vervanging via het JSF project zijn groot, wellicht wel te groot.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/01/2020 | 08:55 uur
Lockheed Martin Potentially Mixed Up Structural Fasteners in Most F-35s (titanium i.p.v. Inconel (nikkel en chromium))

https://www.airforcemag.com/lockheed-potentially-mixed-up-structural-fasteners-in-most-f-35s/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/01/2020 | 09:05 uur
FY 2019 Annual Report - F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)

https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2019/dod/2019f35jsf.pdf?ver=2020-01-30-115432-173

https://www.dote.osd.mil/Publications/Annual-Reports/2019-Annual-Report/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/01/2020 | 16:01 uur
FY 2019 Annual Report - F/A-18E/F Super Hornet

https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2019/navy/2019fa18ef.pdf?ver=2020-01-30-115459-627
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/01/2020 | 16:03 uur
FY 2019 Annual Report - F-22 RAPTOR Modernization

https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2019/af/2019f22a.pdf?ver=2020-01-30-115238-283
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 31/01/2020 | 17:43 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 30/01/2020 | 13:19 uur
De 'F-35A werd ons ook verkocht als zijnde 20 % goedkoper in de exploitatie dan een veel lichtere en veel eenvoudigere F-16C.
Men deed ons geloven dat een F-35A met een fly-away prijs a USD 37,1 miljoen een koopje was, een JAS-39A Gripen deed al echter USD 40 miljoen onder fly-away condities.

Al die bullshit over geld word ik een beetje moe van, we willen niet het goedkoopste, we willen terecht het beste, klaar.

Daarnaast zijn al die achteraf vergelijkingen vwb geld wel grappig want men gaat er gemakshalve maar vanuit dat de Gripen vwb prijs wel hetzelfde gebleven zou zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/02/2020 | 14:37 uur
Poland Signs $4.6 Billion F-35 Deal

https://www.airforcemag.com/poland-signs-4-6-billion-f-35-deal/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 01/02/2020 | 16:34 uur
Belgie betaald 5.1 miljard voor 34 stuks en extra motoren.

Polen 4.6 miljard dollar voor 32 stuks.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 02/02/2020 | 14:22 uur
Enkele stukjes uit een flightglobal artikel over het F-35 jaar rapport: Lockheed Martin F-35 has 873 deficiencies (https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/lockheed-martin-f-35-has-873-deficiencies/136481.article)
CitaatThe Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II has 873 unresolved deficiencies and new problems are being discovered regularly, making reducing the number of issues with the aircraft difficult.
Citaat"Although the programme is working to fix deficiencies, new discoveries are still being made, resulting in only a minor decrease in the overall number of deficiencies," says the report.The F-35's problems include 13 Category 1 deficiencies. Such problems "may cause death or severe injury; may cause loss or major damage to a weapon system; critically restricts the combat readiness capabilities of the using organisation; or results in a production line stoppage," according to the US Air Force's (USAF) definition.
CitaatSome of the aircraft's lingering problems appear to be connected to the F-35 Joint Program Office and Lockheed Martin's recently adopted Continuous Capability Development and Delivery process, a method of delivering software fixes and additional functions every six months. The process is modeled on a Silicon Valley method of delivering bite-sized chunks of code changes to customers called agile software development.

Lockheed Martin was openly optimistic in 2019 about the agile method's ability to turn around the F-35's troublesome software, which totals more than 8 million lines of code. However, DOT&E says the concept has been problematic.
CitaatHardware problems persist too. For example, USAF "units flying newer F-35A aircraft discovered cracks in the outer mold-line coatings and the underlying chine longeron skin, near the gun muzzle, after aircraft returned from flights when the gun was employed", according to the report.

The F-35A's internally mounted 25mm gun also remains inaccurate.

Ofwel er zit totaal geen verbetering in het F-35 programma. Het resultaat SDD fase zijn tekort komingen, deze worden traag verholpen. Maar hierbij komen extra ontdekte tekort komingen van het IOT&E programma. De ontwikkeling van block 4 verloopt niet volgens plan. En het was Block 4 die aan de eisen van Nederland voldeed.
Polen schaft block 4 toestellen aan (~143mln/stuk). Nederland krijgt meest block 3F, waarnaast ieder jaar >50 40mln door ontwikkel kosten (programma kosten) en ~7,5 0,75mln/jaar upgrades aan iedere (>26mln voor alle F-35). Voor 37 F-35's is dat 300mln/jaar(volledige instandhoudings kosten), door de kwantiteit verhoging naar 46 en uitsluiting van Turkije zullen deze kosten verder stijgen.
Een simpele berekening geeft mij een kosten van 14mjd tussen 2020 en 2045 (0.8 + 5,7 mjd + 25x 0,3mjd), we mogen in onze handjes wrijven wanneer de Nederlandse industrie 9mjd aan opdrachten binnen haalt. (Doel in F35 jaar raportage 2019)
Deze kosten zijn met SDD a 800mln kosten resulterend in 447.1mln opdrachten, dat is 55,9%.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/02/2020 | 15:35 uur
Beter is om het originele DOT&E artikel in bericht #4116 te lezen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 02/02/2020 | 16:43 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 02/02/2020 | 14:22 uur
Enkele stukjes uit een flightglobal artikel over het F-35 jaar rapport: Lockheed Martin F-35 has 873 deficiencies (https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/lockheed-martin-f-35-has-873-deficiencies/136481.article)
Ofwel er zit totaal geen verbetering in het F-35 programma. Het resultaat SDD fase zijn tekort komingen, deze worden traag verholpen. Maar hierbij komen extra ontdekte tekort komingen van het DOT&E programma. De ontwikkeling van block 4 verloopt niet volgens plan. En het was Block 4 die aan de eisen van Nederland voldeed.
Polen schaft block 4 toestellen aan (~143mln/stuk). Nederland krijgt meest block 3F, waarnaast ieder jaar >50mln door ontwikkel kosten en ~7,5mln/jaar upgrades aan iedere F-35. Voor 37 F-35's is dat 300mln/jaar, door de kwantiteit verhoging naar 46 en uitsluiting van Turkije zullen deze kosten verder stijgen.
Een simpele berekening geeft mij een kosten van 14mjd tussen 2020 en 2045, we mogen in onze handjes wrijven wanneer de Nederlandse industrie 9mjd aan opdrachten binnen haalt.
Deze kosten zijn zonder SDD a 800mln kosten resulterend in ~440mln opdrachten, dat is 55%.

Je bent een bedrijf met een meer dan indrukwekkende staat van dienst, reputatie en productenlijn aan het bekritiseren. Je hebt geen informatiepositie om ook maar ergens iets van te vinden. Wanneer gaan mensen eens ophouden met hun vrije tijd hobby te verwarren met een expertise van toegevoegde waarde.

Dat internet is leuk, staat bomvol..bomvol informatie. Klopt, maar er staqt niet wat je moet weten om van een hoogtechnologisch topgeheim als de karaktereigenschappen, prestaties en cijfers van het vliegtuig. Heb je niet, nada. Je kunt namelijk niets verifieren. Niets. Je hebt geen lijntje met LockheedMartin, je hebt geen gebruikersinformatie, je beschikt ook niet over het plan naar de groene stip op de horizon van het Amerikaanse MoD, Lockheef Martin, DMO, en alle andere participanten in hrt F-35 programma. Ik ben genoeg in gesprek met hoofd afd. lvs om te begrijpen dat je je tijd verdoet met je conclusies gebaseerd op internet en internetgekkies. Haters die amerikaanse invloed vervelend vinden en volgers die onzin uit gaan kramen over de F-35.

Je weet niks. Pas je houding aan. Levert je een stuk meer op en behoud het forum nog iets van zijn waardigheid.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 02/02/2020 | 19:43 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 02/02/2020 | 14:22 uur
Enkele stukjes uit een flightglobal artikel over het F-35 jaar rapport: Lockheed Martin F-35 has 873 deficiencies (https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/lockheed-martin-f-35-has-873-deficiencies/136481.article)
Ofwel er zit totaal geen verbetering in het F-35 programma. Het resultaat SDD fase zijn tekort komingen, deze worden traag verholpen. Maar hierbij komen extra ontdekte tekort komingen van het IOT&E programma. De ontwikkeling van block 4 verloopt niet volgens plan. En het was Block 4 die aan de eisen van Nederland voldeed.
Polen schaft block 4 toestellen aan (~143mln/stuk). Nederland krijgt meest block 3F, waarnaast ieder jaar >50mln door ontwikkel kosten en ~7,5mln/jaar upgrades aan iedere F-35. Voor 37 F-35's is dat 300mln/jaar, door de kwantiteit verhoging naar 46 en uitsluiting van Turkije zullen deze kosten verder stijgen.
Een simpele berekening geeft mij een kosten van 14mjd tussen 2020 en 2045, we mogen in onze handjes wrijven wanneer de Nederlandse industrie 9mjd aan opdrachten binnen haalt.
Deze kosten zijn zonder SDD a 800mln kosten resulterend in ~440mln opdrachten, dat is 55%.

Internet zegt wel vaker wat... Misschien moet je de Briganti en Christiaan Meinen gaan volgen op Twitter dan kun je je hart ophalen met feitenvrij geneuzel omtrent de F35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 03/02/2020 | 00:27 uur
Mijn tenen zijn gebroken doordat het lezen van het FY 2019 Annual Report - F-35, te tenen krommend was. Alle punten van het flight global artikel staan er in.
- Twee jaar terug werd de SDD fase beëindigd, maar van de 873 deficiencies stamt 66% nog uit de SDD fase. Men krijgt de problemen dus nauwelijks verholpen.
- Daarnaast is alleen in de twee toestellen die deelnemen aan IOT&E het boordkanon goedgekeurd. Vanaf productie lot9 is het 25mm boordkanon afgekeurd. Maar men heeft bijna een fix.
- men ontwikkelt nu twee software versies parallel, Block 4 serie 30 (3F doorontwikkeling) en Block 4 series 40 (de beoogde block 4 met nieuwe hardware).
Ik wil best geloven dat men uiteindelijk wel tot een goed resultaat kan komen, de Block4 series 40 en verder. Maar daarvoor is nog mega veel werk nodig.
Alle toestellen moeten uiteindelijk naar block4 versie 40 gebracht worden.
Ik ben van mening dat de serie productie pas bij een stabiele block 3F (zonder kritieke tekortkomingen) gestart had moeten worden. Nu moeten ruim 400 F-35's worden onderhouden met allerlei tekortkomingen.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 03/02/2020 | 00:42 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 03/02/2020 | 00:27 uur
Mijn tenen zijn gebroken doordat het lezen van het FY 2019 Annual Report - F-35, te tenen krommend was. Alle punten van het flight global artikel staan er in.
- Twee jaar terug werd de SDD fase beëindigd, maar van de 873 deficiencies stamt 66% nog uit de SDD fase. Men krijgt de problemen dus nauwelijks verholpen.
- Daarnaast is alleen in de twee toestellen die deelnemen aan IOT&E het boordkanon goedgekeurd. Vanaf productie lot9 is het 25mm boordkanon afgekeurd. Maar men heeft bijna een fix.
- men ontwikkelt nu twee software versies parallel, Block 4 serie 30 (3F doorontwikkeling) en Block 4 series 40 (de beoogde block 4 met nieuwe hardware).
Ik wil best geloven dat men uiteindelijk wel tot een goed resultaat kan komen, de Block4 series 40 en verder. Maar daarvoor is nog mega veel werk nodig.
Alle toestellen moeten uiteindelijk naar block4 versie 40 gebracht worden.
Ik ben van mening dat de serie productie pas bij een stabiele block 3F (zonder kritieke tekortkomingen) gestart had moeten worden. Nu moeten ruim 400 F-35's worden onderhouden met allerlei tekortkomingen.

Nogmaals, je kunt je tenen helemaal niet breken. Je kunt keuzes en kosten in het programma niet duiden, verklaren of in een context plaatsen. Ben dergelijk internet gekkie gezwam wel zo enorm beu. Beetje op de stoel van de CEO van Lockheed Martin te gaan zitten.

Als je het allemaal zo goed weet koop aandelen en vertegenwoordig je mening op een gezellige aandeelhouders vergadering maar kom hier niet met deze hoop paardenschijt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/02/2020 | 08:42 uur
Overigens ben ik nog steeds niet onder de indruk van die 873 deficiencies. De F-16 en de F/A-18 Hornet hadden in hun tijd ook de nodige deficiencies, waarbij de aantallen er niet om logen. Zelfs de F-16 had in het begin problemen met de M61A1. Oplossingen komen vanzelf.

Het JSF programma verdient inderdaad niet de schoonheidsprijs. Wel ben ik van mening dat er de nodige stappen zijn gezet. Het had allemaal veel erger kunnen zijn.

In 2021 worden de laatste pre Block 3F F-35's op Block 3F gebracht en wordt datzelfde jaar getest met Block 4 en TR3 hardware.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 03/02/2020 | 12:51 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 01/02/2020 | 16:34 uur
Belgie betaald 5.1 miljard voor 34 stuks en extra motoren.

Polen 4.6 miljard dollar voor 32 stuks.

België betaalt 3.8 miljard voor 34 stuks.
https://www.demorgen.be/politiek/de-kogel-is-door-de-kerk-regering-kiest-voor-f-35~b81e5a36/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 03/02/2020 | 12:55 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 03/02/2020 | 12:51 uur
België betaalt 3.8 miljard voor 34 stuks.
https://www.demorgen.be/politiek/de-kogel-is-door-de-kerk-regering-kiest-voor-f-35~b81e5a36/
Kochten de Belgen de F-35 op Black Friday ofzo ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 03/02/2020 | 12:57 uur
Ik wil gerust aanvaarden dat we 'gerold' zijn en dat we een paar miljard meer betalen hoor. Maar kom dan met concrete cijfers en bronnen in plaats van je er respectievelijk met een A4'tje aan nietszeggende geschiedenisles (Poleme) en compleet verzonnen bedragen (Huzaar1) van af te maken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 03/02/2020 | 12:58 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 03/02/2020 | 12:55 uur
Kochten de Belgen de F-35 op Black Friday ofzo ?

Ook u: bewijs dat de getallen in dit en andere artikels niet kloppen. Laten we er nu nog van uit gaan dat ook de provisie van 200 miljoen volledig op wordt gebruikt. Da komen we uit op 4 miljard. Ik sta open voor documenten of bronnen die het tegendeel bewijzen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 03/02/2020 | 13:32 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 03/02/2020 | 12:57 uur
Ik wil gerust aanvaarden dat we 'gerold' zijn en dat we een paar miljard meer betalen hoor. Maar kom dan met concrete cijfers en bronnen in plaats van je er respectievelijk met een A4'tje aan nietszeggende geschiedenisles (Poleme) en compleet verzonnen bedragen (Huzaar1) van af te maken.
Jullie gerold ?  Kijk Stoonbrace, er zijn nogal wat Nederlanders die op jullie neerkijken als dat 'domme en ongeregeld zooitje'.
Nou kom ik nogal eens in Belgie en ik kom er graag en ik ben niet de enigste blijkbaar.  Want de grootste Nederlandse emigratie-stroom gaat naar ... Belgie.
Uit ervaring kan ik zeggen dat de meeste Belgen scherpzinniger zijn dan Nederlanders.  Net als de Nederlanders uit Noord-Brabant, zijn jullie een gemoedelijk volkske.
Maar als het op zakendoen aan komt, dan zijn de Belgen en Noord-Brabanders vergeleken met de Nederlanders van boven de Grote Rivieren, niet alleen vlotter (flexibeler), maar in het onderhandelen ook harder en sluwer.

Kom ik gooi er nog een geschiedenislesje achteraan.  Onze beide regeringen kozen het F-16A/B, maar van oud-gedienden van onze KLu, heb ik ook vernomen dat jullie het in die aanschaf 'van de eeuw' harder en sluwer speelden en zo een betere deal kregen dan Nederland.

Naar mijn mening zijn jullie helemaal niet 'gerold'.
Want we moeten niet uit het oog verliezen, dat zoiets als een "vaststaand prijskaartje" bij jachtvliegtuigen en wapensystemen in het algemeen, niet bestaat.

Zeg Huzaar1, hoe komt gij dan aan dat bedrag van USD 5,1 miljoen voor Belgie ?

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 03/02/2020 | 14:16 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 03/02/2020 | 12:06 uur
In principe heb je wel gelijk hoor, maar het argument dat LM een gerenomeerd bedrijf is, hebben we weinig aan.

Boeing is ook een gerenomeerd bedrijf, en die hebben met de 737 ook lopen rommelen. Of SAP, was ook geen soepel project.

Grote projecten hebben risico's,  dat is inherent. Voor de F35 zijn er terechte zorgen, maar er is geen reden voor paniek.

Zoals je zelf aangeeft is ieder project een risico. Nou, dat is precies de reden dat het zoveel geld kost. Dat is het hele idee van zakendoen. Risico in ruil voor geld....

Nu is dit project wel zo groot, zo uniek en tot zover wel zo enorm succesvol dat met de reputatie van de F-14 tot en met de F-22 bewezen is dat ze de beste vliegtuigen van de wereld afleveren. Dergelijke mensen als Ridivek hebben geen positie, geen belang, iets ongefundeerds roepen 'kost' ze niks, de stelligheid is misselijkmakend.

Ik werk voor DWSB, waar de F35 bij ons aparte areas of acces kent, totaal is afgesloten voor 99% van de organisatie en we krijgen regelmatig te horen uit een objectief standpunt van afdeling LSV hoe de vlag ervoor staat. Wij hier, kunnen al nauwelijks iets zinnigs zeggen over de F35.

De groene stip op de horizon die wordt gesteld omvat problemen, daar wordt ruimte voor gelaten, er zijn expres bepaalde trajecten met problemen. Juist ingebouwd om zo een keuze te kunnen maken. Ja de krant en alle internetgekkies worden dan inderdaad daarover niet ingelicht.

Sie trekken zich af op een krantenkop die in hun straatje past.. van een krant die evenmin begrijpt wat de route is naar het eindstation  van een hoogtechnologisch gevechtsvliegtuig. Er is internationale wetgeving, er komt militaore europese aan. Er zijn vraagstukken i.v.m gebruik bijzondere (vloei)stoffen), materialen en coatings die in de toekomst wellicht niet meer gebruikt mogen worden. Of (wapen)systemen die hun wasdom moeten behalen in het project..wat voorzien is okdat er na 2 decennia ontwikkelen wel een modern relevant apparaat dient te hebben.

Dit is wel zo grensoverschreidend. Op de uni hebben we getracht een inzage te krijgen in het businessmodel. Het lukt gewoon niet..iets zinnigs en inhoudelijks zeggen is onmogelijk. Echt zonde van je tijd.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 03/02/2020 | 15:56 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 03/02/2020 | 14:16 uur
Zoals je zelf aangeeft is ieder project een risico. Nou, dat is precies de reden dat het zoveel geld kost. Dat is het hele idee van zakendoen. Risico in ruil voor geld....

Nu is dit project wel zo groot, zo uniek en tot zover wel zo enorm succesvol dat met de reputatie van de F-14 tot en met de F-22 bewezen is dat ze de beste vliegtuigen van de wereld afleveren. Dergelijke mensen als Ridivek hebben geen positie, geen belang, iets ongefundeerds roepen 'kost' ze niks, de stelligheid is misselijkmakend.

Ik werk voor DWSB, waar de F35 bij ons aparte areas of acces kent, totaal is afgesloten voor 99% van de organisatie en we krijgen regelmatig te horen uit een objectief standpunt van afdeling LSV hoe de vlag ervoor staat. Wij hier, kunnen al nauwelijks iets zinnigs zeggen over de F35.

De groene stip op de horizon die wordt gesteld omvat problemen, daar wordt ruimte voor gelaten, er zijn expres bepaalde trajecten met problemen. Juist ingebouwd om zo een keuze te kunnen maken. Ja de krant en alle internetgekkies worden dan inderdaad daarover niet ingelicht.

Sie trekken zich af op een krantenkop die in hun straatje past.. van een krant die evenmin begrijpt wat de route is naar het eindstation  van een hoogtechnologisch gevechtsvliegtuig. Er is internationale wetgeving, er komt militaore europese aan. Er zijn vraagstukken i.v.m gebruik bijzondere (vloei)stoffen), materialen en coatings die in de toekomst wellicht niet meer gebruikt mogen worden. Of (wapen)systemen die hun wasdom moeten behalen in het project..wat voorzien is okdat er na 2 decennia ontwikkelen wel een modern relevant apparaat dient te hebben.

Dit is wel zo grensoverschreidend. Op de uni hebben we getracht een inzage te krijgen in het businessmodel. Het lukt gewoon niet..iets zinnigs en inhoudelijks zeggen is onmogelijk. Echt zonde van je tijd.
Zit je nu maandag middag al aan het bier ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 03/02/2020 | 17:27 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 03/02/2020 | 15:56 uur
Zit je nu maandag middag al aan het bier ?
Is het je al gelukt de moeilijke woorden in mn post te ontcijferen? Impressive.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 03/02/2020 | 17:55 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 03/02/2020 | 13:32 uur
er zijn nogal wat Nederlanders die op jullie neerkijken als dat 'domme en ongeregeld zooitje'.

Spreek alsjeblieft voor jezelf...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 03/02/2020 | 18:04 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 03/02/2020 | 12:57 uur
Ik wil gerust aanvaarden dat we 'gerold' zijn en dat we een paar miljard meer betalen hoor. Maar kom dan met concrete cijfers en bronnen in plaats van je er respectievelijk met een A4'tje aan nietszeggende geschiedenisles (Poleme) en compleet verzonnen bedragen (Huzaar1) van af te maken.

Verzonnen? Wat is verzonnen dan? Mijn bedragen zijn door jullie Defensie zelf gegeven en omgerekend in dollars.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 03/02/2020 | 18:15 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 03/02/2020 | 13:32 uur


Zeg Huzaar1, hoe komt gij dan aan dat bedrag van USD 5,1 miljoen voor Belgie ?

De kosten van de vliegtuigen en additionele motoren , kreeg ik omgerekend door op 5,1 miljard Dollar. Niet miljoen.
Dat komt neer op 4,5 miljard euro. Waar ik dat heb gevonden is me nu ook niet helemaal duidelijk. Moet even achterhalen of ik dat van een openbare bron heb of niet.

Wel is de aanbesteding van Belgie een hele mooie waarin alles van de F-35 is opgeknipt dus niet zichtbaar in het directe contract met LM. Dat hebben wij ook gedaan, maar niet zo uitgebreid en mooi als in Belgie. Daar kopen ze nog net niet de 3 F-35's en in een ander contract de vleugels.
de Flight per hour discussie is daarom zo ingewikkeld...wie rekent wat precies mee. Wat ik wel durf te stellen maar niet verder op inga is dat het Belgische contract rooskleuriger wordt neergezet en mee wordt gesmeten dan het echt is, er komen nog een heleboel verassingen aan voor Belgie als ik het goed heb begrepen, dit komt weer voort uit het niet hebben van een eigen LVS in de Belgische DMO, athans niet zoals wij hem nog hebben. Ze zijn 100% afhankelijk van de producent als het aankomt op informatie, verificatie van informatie, alternatieven van materialen/coatings/bedrijfsstoffen die in dit gedeelte van de wereld weer niet mogen, updates, etc.

Indien ik de bron niet kan terugvinden zal ik het laten bij de 4 miljard, wat komt op 4,4 miljard euro voor 34 toestellen tegenover de Poolse aankoop van 32 toestellen voor 4.6 miljard. Mijn excuses, ik kan natuurlijk niet gaan gooien met niet bestaande informatie of afgeschermde bronnen.

Echter, dit lijkt op een dure koop voor de Polen maar dit is niet zo, het Poolse contract is een stuk vollediger. Geen boekhoudkunde trucs. Daarbij is Belgie door de VS sterker verleid dan Polen doordat Belgie eerder verleid zou kunnen worden (ofwel gedwongen ) om de Rafale aan te kopen. Nog steeds knap dat ze daar zo onderuit zijn gekomen. Maar zoals Thomasen al, en meerdere, meerderen malen hebben aangegeven, je kunt helemaal niet zo veel met die informatie. Je kunt namelijk niet goed vergelijken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/02/2020 | 08:32 uur
Citaat van: Air Force Magazine op 31/01/2020 | 08:55 uur
Lockheed Martin Potentially Mixed Up Structural Fasteners in Most F-35s

https://www.airforcemag.com/lockheed-potentially-mixed-up-structural-fasteners-in-most-f-35s/

Lord Says F-35s Safe Despite Fastener Problem

https://www.airforcemag.com/lord-says-f-35s-safe-despite-fastener-problem/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 04/02/2020 | 08:34 uur
In Germany, Gridlock Over Nuclear-Capable Fighter Jet

Germany's Air Force has a special mission: deliver American nukes in the case of a nuclear strike. But its Tornado fleet is rapidly nearing the end of its shelf life. So why has Germany yet to decide on a replacement?

In a given week in late November, the number of flightworthy Tornado fighter jets stationed at Büchel Air Base varied widely: Sometimes, twelve out of the 45 planes were operational; soon after, less than a handful. "That's pretty tight," according to one pilot.

He spoke to DW on condition of anonymity. For the air base, tucked away amid the picturesque plateaus of the Eifel region in western Germany, has a special, secret mission: It is here that American nuclear bombs are stored in what is officially termed a "nuclear sharing agreement."

American bombs on German soil

Their location is a state secret. The German government has never officially confirmed the existence of the nuclear bombs in Büchel. The precise number of bombs stored in the underground vaults in the air base is thus unclear; estimates range between 10 to 20.

On the record, the Germany government only admits to being part of the sharing agreement, which dates back to the Cold War and NATO's nuclear deterrence strategy aimed at keeping Soviet influence at bay.

In essence, it provides for member states of the military alliance without nuclear weapons to partake in planning and training for the use of nuclear weapons by NATO and, officials argue, for their views to be taken into account by nuclear-capable countries, including the US. Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands and Italy are all part of the sharing agreement.

Upkeep of Tornado fleet skyrocketing

But as Germany's Tornado fleet is swiftly nearing the end of its shelf life, the cost of maintaining a fleet for the nuclear mission is skyrocketing.

"The increase each year is brutally high," as one parliamentarian put it.

DW has obtained a copy of an official document from the Ministry of Defense, which puts the expenditure for the Tornado fleet, including maintenance, procurement and development, at €502 million ($562 million) in 2018. This year, the figure is estimated to reach €629 million.

The problem is that the planes date back to the early 1980s. Until a few years ago, the fleet, which once numbered roughly 350 planes, was progressively reduced, meaning that retired airplanes could be cannibalized for spare parts.

Now, parts for the remaining 85 airplanes have to be manufactured at great cost — or taken from jets that are undergoing maintenance and built into those about to be returned to the Air Force, leading to long delays in planes becoming airworthy again.

The situation is so dire that pilots are struggling to fulfill the quota of flight hours needed to maintain their license — and it is leading to a shortage of flightworthy planes needed for the nuclear sharing agreement and other missions.

Spare parts 'more and more difficult'

In early December, in an imposing purpose-built hangar at an Airbus' compound, civilian and military mechanics were busy doing maintenance on twenty disassembled Tornados — some of them were stripped of their varnish, a tangle of cables visible in their fuselage, their distinctive black nosecones propped beside them.

It is here, in the vast compound close to the sleepy Bavarian town of Manching, that the Air Forces' Tornado fleet undergoes its routine maintenance.

Planes rotate in every three years — and most stay for roughly 350 days, according to Katharina Semmler-Schuler, head of Tornado Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul at Airbus Defence and Space Germany.

Spare parts, she said, were indeed a problem — the process of rotating them from one plane to the next added an extra 20 days to the maintenance, she said. "And it's getting more and more difficult."

Competing interests and heel-dragging

But despite the problems, Germany seems in no hurry to replace its fleet: While most other European countries have retired Tornado jets or are in the process of doing so, the German government has yet to decide which plane to replace it with.

DW spoke to several government and opposition politicians and members of the German Air Force — and they all agreed that a decision was urgent. The Tornado's operational capability is only guaranteed until 2025. After that, the costs for extending the fleet for another five years could be as high as €13 billion. Once a deal has been reached, it could still take several years for the airplanes to be built and then finally reach the Air Force hangars.

The decision has pitted different strategic, political and industrial interests in Germany and abroad against each other, making it difficult to reach a consensus for a deal that could be as high as €10 billion.

Three options: F-35, F/A-18 or Eurofighter

Talk to politicians and Air Force officials, and they name three possible airplanes: The F-35, F/A-18 or Eurofighter Typhoon.

Many within the German Air Force prefer the American F-35 fighter jet produced by Lockheed Martin, the most modern airplane available on the market.

American planes would come with established logistics chains and programs to quickly train pilots, compared to training in Germany which can drag on for years.

The other European nuclear-sharing countries — Belgium, the Netherlands and Italy — have all opted for the F-35.

French pressure against American F-35 jets

But here this option seems to have been quietly dropped, in part due to French pressure: For Germany and France are in the early stages of developing a joint fighter plane — the Future Combat Air System (FCAS), which combines manned fighter jets with swarms of cloud-connected drones.

"We let the French blackmail us," one parliamentarian, who favors the F-35, told DW.

The French threatened to go FCAS alone, should Germany buy the modern American F-35 jets, which could make the government here less inclined to pour billions into the development of a possibly only slightly more state-of-the-art European jet that could take years, possibly decades, until it reaches the market.

And, there is another reason some politicians are wary of the F-35: It is, they concede, basically a black box. "You don't know which information or data may be transmitted to America," one parliamentarian told DW.

In theory, Germany could add to its 138-strong fleet of Eurofighter jets, built by a European consortium owned by Germany, Spain, Italy and the United Kingdom. In Germany, the plane's final assembly is also done in Manching, where the Tornados undergo their maintenance, and it is an important regional employer.

During a recent visit to Manching, Wolfgang Gammel, Vice President of Airbus Defence and Space, did his best to promote his company's fighter jet to DW. "As long as there is a European option, Germany should buy European," he stressed.

Airbus knows that many within the Air Force are unhappy with the quality of planes that were delivered in the past — but Gammel pointed to overly bureaucratic and drawn-out military procurement policies in Germany.

Much is at stake for the company, as a deal would come with lucrative maintenance contracts which would secure jobs for decades.

And the Eurofighter is an important component of FCAS. Should Germany decide to buy an American plane, Gammel fears, funding for research and development into upgrading the Eurofighter could be put on hold — or the entire project could be put off.

In his office decked out with model fighter planes, he told DW that the Eurofighter was perfectly capable of replacing the Tornado fleet, including its nuclear capacity.

Nuclear certification

It is a tricky issue, as the US reportedly told the German government that it would take much longer to certify the Eurofighter for its nuclear role than any American aircraft — possibly up to ten years. That would push it close to the Tornados' end date.

Airbus maintains that Germany shouldn't have given the Americans an option, but simply told them to certify the Eurofighter, rather than let them favor the American-produced plane.

There is one capability, however, that Gammel admits that his plane does not yet have: suppression of air defense (SEAD). The term refers to the ability to suppress or destroy enemy air defense systems, such as missiles or radar.

While Airbus recently announced that it had begun research into SEAD capabilities, it is still in its early stages and could take several years to develop.

The F-35 and the F/A-18 in its Growler version both have SEAD capabilities.

Compromise solution?

A compromise seems to have emerged to split the deal among Eurofighter and the American F/A-18 Growler fighter jets, built by Boeing, opting for roughly 40 of each.

To keep Airbus happy, the maintenance of the American planes could be done in Manching.

But such a deal doesn't resonate well with Gammler. He told DW that the compromise would endanger engineering and development skills that would only come with a decision to buy Eurofighters, while doing the maintenance of the F/A-18 would secure less than 100 blue-collar jobs.

Much depends on Chancellor Angela Merkel's coalition partner, the Social Democrats (SPD). Off-the-record, several parliamentarians from Merkel's CDU and her sister party CSU, accused the SPD of dragging its feet in an effort to delay an unpopular decision that might anger its traditionally anti-nuclear party base.

That was not the case, SPD member of Parliament and party spokesman for defense Fritz Felgentreu told DW. Rather, he pointed to the Ministry of Defense, which had yet to submit the official result of its inquiry into the various fighter jets to parliament.

Whether the SPD can convince their party base to support a nuclear-capable fighter jet remains unclear

An explosive topic

Like many of his party's foreign policy and security politicians, Felgentreu prefers to uphold the nuclear sharing agreement. In theory, Germany could pull out, as Greece and the United Kingdom have done, in the latter case following popular protests against the nukes. But "it wouldn't be prudent for Germany (to do so)," Felgentreu told DW. "If we do no one will consult us on how to develop NATO's nuclear strategy."

In early 2020, the two left-leaning leaders of the Social Democrats — Norbert Walter-Borjans and Saskia Esken — called for a withdrawal of all nuclear weapons in Europe and Russia, adding that the presence of American nukes in Germany was "problematic."

For now, it is unclear who might gain the upper hand within the party — and, Felgentreu admitted, the SPD's parliamentary group had yet to discuss the issue in any great detail. It is a politically sensitive topic: Should the SPD pivot away from the nuclear sharing agreement, it could potentially upend Merkel's increasingly fractious coalition. And so, some fear, while the defense ministry has promised a decision by early 2020, it may yet again be put off, despite the spiraling costs.

Meanwhile, frustration is mounting among the German Air Force. "We just want a plane that does its job," one Tornado pilot told DW wryly. "Time is running out."

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/feature/5/208870/germany-in-gridlock-over-nuclear_capable-fighter-replacement.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/02/2020 | 08:35 uur
F-35Cs Arrive at Miramar as Marines Prepare First Carrier Squadron

https://news.usni.org/2020/02/03/f-35cs-arrive-at-miramar-as-marines-prepare-first-carrier-squadron
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/02/2020 | 08:37 uur
Eurofighter submits updated proposal to HX programme

https://www.eurofighter.com/news-and-events/2020/01/eurofighter-submits-updated-proposal-to-hx-programme



http://www.eurofighterfinland.fi
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/02/2020 | 08:44 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/02/2020 | 08:45 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/02/2020 | 08:51 uur
Na de JAS 39 E Gripen is vanaf 7 februari de F-35A in Finland aan de beurt.

@billieflynn

CitaatDeparted from Luke AFB with 4 F-35s enroute to Finland. We don't pack lightly when flying across the ocean and heading to wintertime. We got this...well maybe not the packing part. Didn't know what boots to bring!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP90i1ZWAAAyJ2X?format=jpg&name=large)

https://twitter.com/billieflynn/status/1224825773598613504
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 05/02/2020 | 09:18 uur
Viper and Gripen dogfight for Manila deal

Philippine Secretary of National Defense Delfin Lorenzana confirmed in December 2019 that his country had downselected the Lockheed Martin F-16 Block 70 Viper and Saab JAS 39 GripenC/D as candidates for its Multi-Role Fighter (MRF) programme, setting the ball rolling for the final phase of evaluations.

As part of its Horizon 2 modernisation programme spanning 2018-22, the MRF aims to give the Philippine Air Force (PAF) the capability to better protect national interests, especially in the disputed South China Sea.

After decommissioning its Northrop F-5A fighters in 2005, the PAF lost supersonic combat aircraft capabilities for a decade until delivery of the Korea Aerospace Industries FA-50PH in 2015, using it as a stepping stone to regain expertise in high-end aerial warfare.

Washington is currently working with Manila on a Foreign Military Sales deal for the F-16 Block 70, although details of the full package are unclear. Lockheed Martin is working on ground demonstrations, while the US DoD is assisting with flight demonstrations.

A Saab official told Shephard the jets on offer are the JAS 39C/D in MS20 configuration and with P/S-05 Mk 4 radar. It added that the number of aircraft is still to be determined and will be driven by the final budget allocation. However, it will likely be a squadron-level acquisition of around six to eight aircraft.

The PAF's MRF Technical Working Group has evaluated the Gripen in Sweden and other Gripen-user air forces over the past few years as part of its evaluation process.

Manila earmarked the Gripen in October 2018 as the 'best candidate', and added that the F-16 offered to them were too costly to run. The Royal Thai Air Force is the only Gripen operator in Asia, with 11 in service. 

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/air-warfare/singapore-airshow-2020-viper-and-gripen-dogfight-m/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/02/2020 | 10:14 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 05/02/2020 | 08:45 uur


Je zpu verwachten dat in 2020 , een belangrijk topfiguur die in internationale setting zijn vliegtuig wil verkopen wel engels spreekt.

Heb 3 minuten geluisterd... zo bar echt. Spreek dan maar gewoon Frans.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 05/02/2020 | 19:17 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 05/02/2020 | 10:14 uur
Je zpu verwachten dat in 2020 , een belangrijk topfiguur die in internationale setting zijn vliegtuig wil verkopen wel engels spreekt.

Heb 3 minuten geluisterd... zo bar echt. Spreek dan maar gewoon Frans.
Het schijnt toch echt dat door bijvoorbeeld internet, meer Fransen de Engelse taal machtig zijn geworden dan in het pre-internet tijdperk.

In Nederland jubelen we graag over de Gouden Driehoek, die tegen relatief lage kosten toch goede tot uitstekende marineschepen weet te ontwikkelen en te bouwen.

Maar zodra bedrijven die succesvolle producten eenmaal over de grens aan de man willen brengen.  Dan staan ze alleen, of erger, aspirant-klanten weten niet bij welk Nederlands loket ze moeten zijn.  Want dan bemoeien meerdere partijen in Nederland zich er mee.  Maar doen dat dan, waarbij te weinig samengewerkt wordt, langs elkaar heen gewerkt wordt of in sommige gevallen zelfs dat de diverse partijen elkaar tegenwerken.

Hoe anders in La France, daar is het normaal dat de 'hand(en) van het geld', het bedrijfsleven, juist altijd hand in hand samengaan met de 'hand(en) van de macht', de overheden.
Moeten er wapens geëxporteerd worden, dan doen ze dat in een driehoek van: bedrijfsleven - ambtenaren in de vorm van diplomaten & militairen - politici.
"Koopt u wapens in Frankrijk.  Dan zullen niet alleen onze bedrijven, maar ook onze krijgsmacht voor u klaarstaan om u te ondersteunen.  Inzet van die militairen en diplomaten  betekenen ook dat u en Frankrijk door de te tekenen deal meer en beter met elkaar gaan samenwerken.  Dus onze, in dit geval EUropese, vriendschap band op lange termijn wordt er alleen maar hechter en sterker door."

Kijk, daar zijn ambtenaren en vooral bepaalde politici voor gevoelig.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 05/02/2020 | 19:36 uur
Simpson: Ottawa should ditch F-35, buy better-suited Super Hornets for RCAF

Over the next few weeks, the Trudeau government could decide among three competing companies to place a $19-billion contract for some 88 new fighter jets to replace Canada's aging fleet of CF-18s.

The procurement process began in 2006 under Stephen Harper, and initially attracted bidders such as Airbus, Boeing, Dassault, Lockheed Martin and Saab. Europe-based Airbus and Dassault withdrew their Eurofighter Typhoon and Rafale fighters from the running last year because they could not meet Ottawa's abrupt request that their fighters meet Norad's intelligence data-sharing and interoperability standards.

Lockheed Martin's F-35 Lightning II would be an unwise choice because it is a single-engine fighter that would be tasked with patrolling North American airspace — including the vast,  unforgiving climate of the Arctic — in co-ordination with the U.S. As Arctic specialist and international law expert Prof. Michael Byers points out, if an engine fails, a second engine is the only thing that can keep the plane in the air and prevent a crash. Accordingly, the U.S. fields all-weather, twin-engine F-22 stealth fighters in Alaska.

During the 24-year history of the single-engine CF-104 Starfighter with the Royal Canadian Air Force, 110 out of 239 jets were lost and 37 pilots killed. Fourteen of those crashes were directly attributed to in-flight engine failure, according to CF-104 historian David Bashow, a former RCAF pilot.

Last September, American officials quietly demanded Canada amend its procurement rules to allow the F-35 to stay in the race. The Liberal government removed standard requirements for some measure of reinvestment in Canada's economy. Lockheed Martin's F-35 production scheme did not allow for the same kind of economic benefits, or industrial offsets, offered by other competitors.

Indeed, as one of nine partners in the F-35 project, Canada has contributed more than $500 million to the plane's multibillion-dollar development costs since 1997, the Canadian Press reported in January 2019. Each country pays a share of those development costs, based on the number of F-35s it is expected to buy, to remain in the program and allow its companies to vie for supply contracts.

In contrast, when Boeing pitched its F/A-18 Super Hornet Block III fighter, it included billions of dollars of work for Canadian companies. This would include aircraft component production contracts, along with guarantees for in-house maintenance work in Canada.

Unlike the Super Hornet, the F-35 is plagued by reliability, maintenance and training issues that are raising eyebrows in Canada, Australia and the Pentagon. Availability of spare parts, skyrocketing costs per hour in service, software flaws and system-related deficiencies that mar dropping of air-to-ground weapons to support ground troops are among many concerns.

F-35s break down more often than planned and take longer to fix, warned Robert Behler, the Pentagon's director of operational testing. In his 2018 report to the U.S. government, Behler added that the F-35 trailed by "a large margin" in attaining fully mission capable status. Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan also has harshly criticized the F-35.

Sweden's Saab Aeronautics promises to build its Gripen-E fighter jet in Canada. It has promised to create high-tech jobs and maximize the production expertise of Canadian technology firms. "Certainly, if that is what the customer values for Canada that is something that we can easily do," Patrick Palmer, senior vice-president of Saab Canada, said in an interview with Postmedia.

But the Gripen-E is also a single-engine fighter.

Canada should buy Boeing's Block III Super Hornet, a more modern, significantly reworked development of the current CF-18. Not only would Super Hornets help patrol Canadian airspace in the Arctic, they would offer Canadian taxpayers enormous service and maintenance cost savings. They also will ensure that the economic benefits of a contract, worth substantially more than Canada's entire annual defence budget, stay here at home for the long term, helping to create thousands of high-tech jobs.

Canada's Defence Minister Harjitt Saijjan has expressed interest in acquiring pilotless drones for Arctic surveillance. But Canada will need some kind of piloted fighter jet to replace the aging CF-18s, especially if we want to participate in NATO and Norad as full-fledged partners.

This spring, Ottawa should say no to the F-35. It's a dead-in-the air offensive weapon system designed for shock-and-awe warfare. Canadian fighters have been used mainly to bomb targets with weak or non-existent air defences in the past. We should plan to buy Super Hornets, which are well suited for the missions that Canada typically trains for using CF-18s.

There is no way of knowing what our future challenges will be. But it is not the right pie-in-the-sky plan for a minority government to choose to invest for the next 30 or more years in unsustainable and prohibitively costly highly advanced jet propulsion technology.

Erika Simpson is an associate professor of international politics and Sakhi Naimpoor is a PhD candidate in the department of political science at Western University.

https://lfpress.com/opinion/columnists/simpson-ottawa-should-ditch-f-35-buy-better-suited-super-hornets-for-rcaf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/02/2020 | 19:49 uur
Citaat van: The London Free Press op 05/02/2020 | 19:36 uur
Simpson: Ottawa should ditch F-35, buy better-suited Super Hornets for RCAF

.../...

This spring, Ottawa should say no to the F-35. It's a dead-in-the air offensive weapon system designed for shock-and-awe warfare. Canadian fighters have been used mainly to bomb targets with weak or non-existent air defences in the past. We should plan to buy Super Hornets, which are well suited for the missions that Canada typically trains for using CF-18s.

There is no way of knowing what our future challenges will be. But it is not the right pie-in-the-sky plan for a minority government to choose to invest for the next 30 or more years in unsustainable and prohibitively costly highly advanced jet propulsion technology.

.../...

https://lfpress.com/opinion/columnists/simpson-ottawa-should-ditch-f-35-buy-better-suited-super-hornets-for-rcaf

Mag toch hopen dat zij echt weten waar de RCAF daadwerkelijk voor traint. Destijds maakten ze een behoorlijke overstap van CF-5/CF-101/CF-104 naar CF-18 en ze zijn nu weer toe aan een flinke stap.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/02/2020 | 08:43 uur
US Navy, Boeing link manned and unmanned EA-18G Growlers

https://www.janes.com/article/94101/us-navy-boeing-link-manned-and-unmanned-ea-18g-growlers

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/101/94101/1630122-main.jpg)
The US Navy and Boeing in late 2019 flew two autonomously controlled EA-18G Growlers as unmanned aerial systems while using a third Growler as a mission controller. Each aircraft had two pilots to perform take off and landing. Source: Boeing
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/02/2020 | 11:39 uur
Germany, France plot new steps for trinational fighter jet — but what about Spain?

The German Defence Ministry on Wednesday sent lawmakers new study plans for the Future Combat Air System, revealing that partner nation Spain has yet to be fully brought along to the next stage.

The government wants to begin five studies at a cost of $85 million, with the same amount coming from France. Officials late last year said Madrid was expected to contribute an equal share. The confidential report to Bundestag appropriators, first reported by the Handelsblatt newspaper, estimates that Spain will only join the next study stage in the third quarter of this year.

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https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/02/2020 | 13:52 uur
Boeing to conduct ski-jump trials for Super Hornet

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/boeing-to-conduct-ski-jump-trials-for-super-hornet/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 07/02/2020 | 14:44 uur
Citaat van: ukdefencejournal op 07/02/2020 | 13:52 uur
Boeing to conduct ski-jump trials for Super Hornet

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/boeing-to-conduct-ski-jump-trials-for-super-hornet/

Die  Indiërs krijgen het budget voor carrier fighters niet rond  eerst Mig 29 kopen daarna aan Saab vragen voor Sea Gripens en nu dit weer.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/02/2020 | 14:52 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 07/02/2020 | 14:44 uur
Die  Indiërs krijgen het budget voor carrier fighters niet rond  eerst Mig 29 kopen daarna aan Saab vragen voor Sea Gripens en nu dit weer.

En blijven vasthouden aan STOBAR. Ondanks de hoge kosten hebben ze aan CATOBAR meer.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 07/02/2020 | 15:07 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 07/02/2020 | 14:52 uur
En blijven vasthouden aan STOBAR. Ondanks de hoge kosten hebben ze aan CATOBAR meer.

En de inheemse Tejas komt maar niet van de grond.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/india%E2%80%99s-tejas-fighter-just-performed-its-first-carrier-landing%E2%80%94does-twin-engine-model-have
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 07/02/2020 | 15:16 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 05/02/2020 | 19:49 uur
Mag toch hopen dat zij echt weten waar de RCAF daadwerkelijk voor traint. Destijds maakten ze een behoorlijke overstap van CF-5/CF-101/CF-104 naar CF-18 en ze zijn nu weer toe aan een flinke stap.
Tja, jij hebt het over een flinke stap.  De Canadezen kochten oorspronkelijk in totaal 138 CF-18's.  In november 2008 had men nog een inventaris van 103 Hornet's.
En in 2018 was dat al teruggelopen naar 60 CF-18A's en 25 CF-18B 2-zitters, in totaal 85 kisten.  Van Australie neemt men dan 18 tweedehands Hornet's over, om tot en met 2025 een voldoende grote vloot te behouden.

Jaren lang heeft Canada een vervanging plangetal gehanteerd van 65 vervangers.  In mei 2017 kondigde hun MinDef minister aan dat er aanzienlijk meer CF-18 vervangers zouden moeten aangeschaft.   Omdat een vloot van 65 kisten als 'risico management' van de te beantwoorden bedreigingen werd geschouwd.  In juni 2017 besloot Canada om uiteindelijk 88 CF-18 vervangers te verwerven.
Ter vergelijking: Finland kocht in totaal 64 F-18C/D Hornet's.  In het HX programma willen zij rond 2025 deze weer vervangen door een gelijk aantal.  Hiervoor heeft Finland EUR 10 miljard tot haar beschikking.  Maar door deze begroting grens is de Finse Luchtmacht gedwongen om de eis van 1 op 1 vervanging los te laten.  Want de meeste kandidaten zullen bij een gewenste vloot van 64 kisten, over dat gestelde budget heengaan.

Canada is echter zeer uitgestrekt, dus is hier "kwantiteit" ook een belangrijke kwaliteitsfactor.
Maar Canada moet ook een flinke vloot MARPATS vliegtuigen en transportkisten aanhouden.  Gezien de uitgestrektheid en barre klimaat zal ook de logistieke ondersteuning over land en zee van de diverse krijgsmacht bases relatief duur zijn.    Dus dat maakt hun defensie materieel projecten uitdagend om uit te voeren.
Daarnaast is er ook een grote industriële factor in dit spel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/02/2020 | 15:36 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 07/02/2020 | 15:16 uur
Tja, jij hebt het over een flinke stap.  De Canadezen kochten oorspronkelijk in totaal 138 CF-18's.  In november 2008 had men nog een inventaris van 103 Hornet's.
En in 2018 was dat al teruggelopen naar 60 CF-18A's en 25 CF-18B 2-zitters, in totaal 85 kisten.  Van Australie neemt men dan 18 tweedehands Hornet's over, om tot en met 2025 een voldoende grote vloot te behouden.

Het ging mij meer om de capaciteiten en kwaliteiten van de CF-5/CF-101/CF-104 t.o.v. de CF-18. Met de komst van de CF-18 had Canada ineens de beschikking over BVR capaciteit (AIM-7F of AIM-7M Sparrow) en de veel modernere AIM-9L Sidewinder t.o.v. de AIM-9B (tot de komst van de CF-18 had alleen de F2H Banshee in dienst van de RCN deze). Om nog maar over de air-to-ground capaciteiten te zwijgen. Met de Canadese MLU naar F/A-18C/D Night Attack niveau werd dat alleen maar beter.

De schrijvers van het artikel doen net alsof de RCAF uitsluitend voor Midden-Oosten missies traint. Ben er niet van overtuigd dat de Super Hornet de beste keuze is voor de RCAF, maar dat is mijn mening.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 07/02/2020 | 15:44 uur
Saab Sea Gripen nieuws.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/saab-pitches-for-joint-development-of-sea-gripen-fighter-jets/articleshow/50340519.cms?from=mdr

https://saab.com/region/india/about-saab/stories/saab-india-stories/2019/gripen-a-no-strings-attached-deal-for-india/

https://saab.com/region/india/about-saab/stories/saab-india-stories/2020/gripen-maritime-for-india/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/02/2020 | 17:17 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 07/02/2020 | 15:44 uur
Saab Sea Gripen nieuws.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/saab-pitches-for-joint-development-of-sea-gripen-fighter-jets/articleshow/50340519.cms?from=mdr

https://saab.com/region/india/about-saab/stories/saab-india-stories/2019/gripen-a-no-strings-attached-deal-for-india/

https://saab.com/region/india/about-saab/stories/saab-india-stories/2020/gripen-maritime-for-india/

Dit zal denk ik mede voor Brazilie interessant zijn. Zeker gezien ze daar al vliegen met de Gripen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 07/02/2020 | 18:52 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 07/02/2020 | 17:17 uur
Dit zal denk ik mede voor Brazilie interessant zijn. Zeker gezien ze daar al vliegen met de Gripen.

Dan zal Brazilië eerst een nieuwe carrier moeten aanschaffen anders heeft dat geen zin.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/02/2020 | 10:47 uur
"Duitsland moet kiezen voor de F-35"

Leonard van den Broek  08/02/2020

Sinds vorig jaar is Amerikaanse Lockheed F-35 officieel geen kanshebber meer om de Duitse Tornado gevechtsvliegtuigen op te volgen. Maar volgens de Duitse denktank DGAP (Deutsche Gesellschaft für Auswärtige Politik, Duitse Raad voor Buitenlandse Betrekkingen) moet Duitsland terugkomen op deze beslissing.

Vervangen

Van de 360 Tornado-gevechtsvliegtuigen die begin jaren '80 aan Duitsland zijn geleverd, zijn er nu nog ongeveer 85 operationeel. Deze zullen zal vanaf 2025 vervangen worden, maar door welk toestel is nog onbekend. Vooralsnog zijn er twee opties over: een gemoderniseerde Eurofighter Typhoon, of de Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.

Taken

Behalve als 'gewoon' grondaanvalstoestel/bommenwerper, gebruikt de Duitse luchtmacht de Tornado nog voor twee andere belangrijke taken. De eerste is het aanvallen van vijandelijke luchtverdediging zoals raketsystemen (SEAD, Suppression of Enemy Air Defences). De tweede is de NAVO-taak van nucleaire bommenwerper. De opvolger van de Tornado zou beide taken moeten kunnen uitvoeren. De Super Hornet is nog niet officieel gecertificeerd voor de nucleaire taak. De verwachting is dat dit rond 2025 wel het geval zal zijn. De EA-18G Growler is een versie van de Super Hornet speciaal ontwikkeld voor de SEAD-taak. Dus als Duitsland voor de Super Hornet kiest, zal het ook een aantal Growlers moeten aanschaffen.

Stealth

De Duitse luchtmacht beschikt op dit moment over ongeveer 140 Typhoons, maar deze worden voornamelijk ingezet als luchtverdedigingsjager. Nieuwe gemoderniseerde Typhoons zouden de Tornado kunnen vervangen. De certificering voor de nucleaire taak is echter een probleem. Dit kost veel tijd en geld, en de kosten kunnen niet gedeeld worden met andere landen. Bovendien heeft de Typhoon, net als de Super Hornet, geen echte stealth-eigenschappen.

Frankrijk

De F-35 is een supermodern, vijfde-generatie stealth-vliegtuig, gecertificeerd voor de nucleaire taak én uitstekend geschikt voor de SEAD-taak. De reden om de F-35 toch af te schrijven was een politieke. Duitsland werkt samen met Frankrijk aan een volgende (zesde) generatie toestel, dat vanaf 2030 in dienst moet komen. Werktitel: "FCAS" (Future Combat Air System). Frankrijk was eerder al heel duidelijk: als Duitsland voor de F-35 kiest, verbreken de Fransen de samenwerking in het FCAS-project. Waarschijnlijk uit vrees dat de Duitsers minder geld beschikbaar stellen voor de ontwikkeling van FCAS, of dat Duitsland uiteindelijk de FCAS niet meer nodig vindt.

Budget

Volgens de Duitse deskundigen bijten de F-35 en FCAS elkaar niet. Het zijn twee aparte projecten, met gescheiden geldstromen. Bovendien is er volgens de Duitse denktank een groot verschil in omvang van het budget. FCAS zal circa 100 miljard euro kosten (waarbij Frankrijk en Duitsland elk de helft bijdragen). Voor de vervanger van de Tornado is ongeveer 10 miljard euro begroot.

https://www.upinthesky.nl/2020/02/08/duitsland-moet-kiezen-voor-de-f-35/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/02/2020 | 10:56 uur
Boeing delivers first F/A-18E/F Super Hornet with 1,500h service life extension

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/boeing-delivers-first-f/a-18e/f-super-hornet-with-1500h-service-life-extension/136584.article

(https://d3lcr32v2pp4l1.cloudfront.net/Pictures/780xany/2/8/7/67287_fa18superhornetlifeextensionprogrammestlouis_419703.jpeg)
An F/A-18 Super Hornet undergoes service-life extension modifications at Boeing's St. Louis facility in late 2019
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/02/2020 | 13:10 uur
PLAAF Senior Pilot Reveals Poor Performance in Joint Exercise With RTAF

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2020-02-08/plaaf-senior-pilot-reveals-poor-performance-joint-exercise-rtaf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 10/02/2020 | 18:30 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/02/2020 | 13:10 uur
PLAAF Senior Pilot Reveals Poor Performance in Joint Exercise With RTAF

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2020-02-08/plaaf-senior-pilot-reveals-poor-performance-joint-exercise-rtaf

Citaat
Li stated that the JAS-39C/D's much smaller radar cross-section (RCS) at 1.5-2.0 m2 was a major factor, as the much larger Su-27 is easier to detect at 12 sq meters.

Kun je nagaan, de RCS van de Gripen is dus vergelijkbaar met die van de F16... Ergo, volstrekt kansloos dus tegen de F35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/02/2020 | 19:10 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 10/02/2020 | 16:38 uur
Met linking en een goede SA kom je met de grippen wel een eind dus.

Dat en type bewapening. De AIM-9L en zels de AiM-9Li (improved) zijn al achterhaald. Koppel IRIS-T en Meteor aan de Gripen en laat het maar opnemen tegen de Flanker. Overigens heeft Thailand interesse voor de nieuwste JAS 39 C/D Gripen standaard MS20.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/02/2020 | 21:46 uur
Navy Cuts Super Hornet Production to Develop Next-Generation Fighter

https://shar.es/a3BCgY
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/02/2020 | 22:09 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/02/2020 | 21:46 uur
Navy Cuts Super Hornet Production to Develop Next-Generation Fighter


Dit zou maar zo invloed kunnen hebben in de aanstaande Tornado vervangingskeuze van onze oosterburen.

Al is de SH nog in diverse andere landen in de race (o.a. in Finland, Zwitserland en India).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 10/02/2020 | 22:15 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 10/02/2020 | 18:30 uur

Kun je nagaan, de RCS van de Gripen is dus vergelijkbaar met die van de F16... Ergo, volstrekt kansloos dus tegen de F35.


Doordenkertje: zou de PLAAF geen allergie hebben aan de JAS Griep ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/02/2020 | 08:53 uur
Gezien de bron: voor wat het waard is...

MiG-41: Russia works on its most advanced, 5++ aircraft to dateЧитайте больше на

https://www.pravdareport.com/news/science/144313-mig_41_russia/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/02/2020 | 09:03 uur
Citaat van: USNI News op 10/02/2020 | 21:46 uur
Navy Cuts Super Hornet Production to Develop Next-Generation Fighter

https://shar.es/a3BCgY

Maar goed voor de US Navy dat na FY 2021 de productie van de F-35C omhoog gaat.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/02/2020 | 09:19 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/02/2020 | 09:03 uur
Maar goed voor de US Navy dat na FY 2021 de productie van de F-35C omhoog gaat.

En dat de plannen voor de F18 opvolger op volle snelheid doorgaan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 11/02/2020 | 09:57 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/02/2020 | 08:53 uur
Gezien de bron: voor wat het waard is...

MiG-41: Russia works on its most advanced, 5++ aircraft to dateЧитайте больше на

https://www.pravdareport.com/news/science/144313-mig_41_russia/

Ze hebben dat brakke SU-57 project nog niet eens op de rails en beginnen alweer aan wat nieuws hoor...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 11/02/2020 | 09:58 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 10/02/2020 | 22:15 uur

Doordenkertje: zou de PLAAF geen allergie hebben aan de JAS Griep ?

Ik snap hem niet...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/02/2020 | 10:02 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 11/02/2020 | 09:57 uur
Ze hebben dat brakke SU-57 project nog niet eens op de rails en beginnen alweer aan wat nieuws hoor...

Gezien de MiG-41 specificaties mag Japan wel de fictieve ontwerpen VF-1 Valkyrie (Macross) of de FFR-41MR Mave (Battle Fairy Yukikaze) gaan ontwikkelen  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/02/2020 | 10:19 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 11/02/2020 | 09:57 uur
Ze hebben dat brakke SU-57 project nog niet eens op de rails en beginnen alweer aan wat nieuws hoor...

Blijkbaar zijn ze er al enkele jaren mee bezig, in hoeverre dit slechts mooi propaganda fabeltje is zal nog moeten blijken al heeft het (nu nog) het niveau maanbasis.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 11/02/2020 | 10:53 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/02/2020 | 08:53 uur
Gezien de bron: voor wat het waard is...

MiG-41: Russia works on its most advanced, 5++ aircraft to dateЧитайте больше на

https://www.pravdareport.com/news/science/144313-mig_41_russia/

Elke tekening die in moskou wordt opgestuurd is volgens mij direct ´under construction´.
Van torpedo´s, tot vliegdekschepen en straaljagers.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/02/2020 | 10:59 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/02/2020 | 08:53 uur
Gezien de bron: voor wat het waard is...

MiG-41: Russia works on its most advanced, 5++ aircraft to dateЧитайте больше на

https://www.pravdareport.com/news/science/144313-mig_41_russia/

Ramjet aandrijving ?
Motor ala de Pratt & Whitney J58 welke in de SR-71 geplaatst was. Deze was zowel bij lage snelheden turbojet en bij hoge snelheden ramjet-achtig.

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/02/2020 | 10:19 uur
Blijkbaar zijn ze er al enkele jaren mee bezig, in hoeverre dit slechts mooi propaganda fabeltje is zal nog moeten blijken al heeft het (nu nog) het niveau maanbasis.

Precies dat heb ik ook een beetje ... altijd veel bla bla ... maar weinig wol.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/02/2020 | 11:14 uur
Austria Insists on Reparations from Airbus for 2003 Eurofighter Sale

Austria has long suspected that it overpaid for the Eurofighters it ordered in 2003, and that large sums were skimmed off the contract. Defense Minister Klaudia Tanner is now insisting that Airbus pay reparations worth at least €183.4 million.

With the published agreement between Airbus and the US authorities, the so-called Deferred Prosecution Agreements, Airbus has admitted having committed massive misconduct to the US Department of Justice and US Department of State in several cases and has also incurred high fines.

The agreement expressly confirms unfair conduct on the part of Airbus in connection with the sale of Eurofighters to the Republic of Austria in 2003, and confirms the suspicion of fraud reported by the Federal Ministry of Defense in 2017 that part of the amount paid by the Republic of Austria for the Eurofighter as the purchase price of € 183.4 million had flowed through Germany into the dubious Vector network and to others, through brokers and mailboxes to serve unfair business goals.

"Immediately after I took office, I took up the matter and gave the order to vigorously pursue the Republic of Austria's claims for reparation against Airbus," said Federal Minister Klaudia Tanner.

In February 2017, the Financial Procurator for the Republic of Austria joined the fraud proceedings in Austria against Airbus and others, with a claim for damages of at least € 183.4 million.

Airbus has recently admitted serious misconduct and unlawful business practices to the French and British authorities. Airbus had to pay substantial fines for this. In the agreement with the US authorities, Airbus has now openly admitted its misconduct and unlawful business practices.

In Austria, the judge's report to the parliamentary committee of inquiry, which only ended in 2019, unequivocally stated that the Republic of Austria had been misled in the purchase and had only paid € 183.4 million too much because of this.

"We have been pursuing the legitimate claims of the Republic of Austria against Airbus for years with all the means of the rule of law. Airbus' admission should now also bring charges to Austria," said Wolfgang Peschorn, President of the Financial Procurator.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/209541/austria-insists-on-reparations-from-airbus-for-2003-eurofighter-sale.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/02/2020 | 15:31 uur
Canada Is Having Trouble Resisting America's F-35 Stealth Fighter

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/canada-having-trouble-resisting-americas-f-35-stealth-fighter-120961
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 11/02/2020 | 17:14 uur
Hoeveel F-35's zouden ze kunnen kopen van alles wat het getreuzel en halve deelname aan het project en toch weer niet en toch weer wel gekost heeft? Volgens mij zeker een stuk of 6.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 11/02/2020 | 23:13 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 11/02/2020 | 17:14 uur
Hoeveel F-35's zouden ze kunnen kopen van alles wat het getreuzel en halve deelname aan het project en toch weer niet en toch weer wel gekost heeft? Volgens mij zeker een stuk of 6.
"It's a Mess."
April 2012, concludeert de Canadese Rekenkamer dat het JSF programma een puinhoop (mess) is.

Canada heeft inmiddels circa ruim USD 500 miljoen uitgeven aan het JSF project.
Hun CF-18 vervanging project is echter extreem politiek geladen.  De diverse Canadese politieke partijen verschillen sterk van mening hoe dit ingevuld moet worden.
De Conservatives willen het F-35A pad bewandelen.  Toen de "Liberals" van Trudeau aan de macht kwamen, moest de CF-18 kandidaten evaluatie open en transparant worden.  Maar zij en hun achterban zijn in werkelijkheid geen voorstander van het F-35A.  Dus werden allerlei eisen veranderd, zodat Europese kandidaten en de F-18E/F meer kans kregen.  Maar het (nieuwe) jachtvliegtuig moet ook geïntegreerd kunnen worden in het NORAD (North American Air Defense) systeem.  De Amerikanen en Canadezen willen echter niet allerlei benodigde technische bijzonderheden prijsgeven aan een Europees Eurofighter consortium, Frankrijk of niet-NAVO lid Zweden.

De relatie VS vs Canada speelt een grote rol, met zowel een politieke factor, hoe de vlag erbij hangt tussen Canada en de Trump regering.  Als wel industriële factoren, zo eist Canada "offset" / compensatie orders.  Maar in de JSF Participatie overeenkomst hebben ze juist getekend, dat JSF Partnerlanden geen compensatie orders kunnen eisen.
Je doet mee voor een bepaald bedrag en dat geeft je toegang tot het JSF project, waarbij je pas werk binnen kan halen als je concurrerend de "best value" kunt bieden.

In september 2017 ging Trump ook nog eens zeer zware invoer tarieven van 216 % heffen op de CSeries van de Canadese vliegtuigfabrikant Bombardier.  Deze had in 2016 75 CSeries kisten verkocht aan Delta Airlines.  Canada dreigde toen om een eventuele order voor 18 F-18E/F Super Hornets te annuleren.  In oktober '17 kreeg Bombardier nog eens een extra algemene invoer tarief van 80 % voor haar kiezen.  Want Donald Trump is close met ... Boeing.  De Canadese deal voor die 18 F-18E/F's was daarna 'dood'.
Vervolgens gingen de Canucks op de niet-Amerikaanse jachtvliegtuig markt kijken naar tweedehands Hornets als stop-gap / korte-termijn oplossing. 

De CF-18 vervanging doet in Canada dus zeer veel stof opwaaien.  Maar de militaire kant, daar heeft niemand het over.  In de Canadian Armed Forces zijn er 2 stromingen: 1 is er uiteraard voor de F-18E/F Super Hornet, maar anti F-35.  De andere stroming is uiteraard gekant tegen de 'Super Bug' en wil het F-35A bul.
What a Mess.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/02/2020 | 08:54 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 11/02/2020 | 23:13 uur
De CF-18 vervanging doet in Canada dus zeer veel stof opwaaien.  Maar de militaire kant, daar heeft niemand het over.  In de Canadian Armed Forces zijn er 2 stromingen: 1 is er uiteraard voor de F-18E/F Super Hornet, maar anti F-35.  De andere stroming is uiteraard gekant tegen de 'Super Bug' en wil het F-35A bul.
What a Mess.

Wordt de complete Canadian Armed Forces bedoeld of alleen RCAF v/h Air Command?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/02/2020 | 10:12 uur
Via F-16.net info over DoD FY 2021 Budget Air Force

CitaatDEVELOPMENT STATUS/MAJOR DEVELOPMENT MILESTONES The Block 3F modifications and retrofits program will complete its final aircraft inductions by September 2020. 2021 will begin Non-recurring engineering retrofit efforts to implement Lot 15 and 16 Block 4 capabilities. The overlap of development with production and operations results in the need to manage a correction of deficiencies program and conduct retrofits on aircraft with life-limited parts or impacts to capabilities.

Info over F-35A Block 3F en alles over Block 4 t/m Lot 17 (Procurement Volume 2 of 2)

https://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/Portals/84/documents/FY21/PROCUREMENT_/FY21%20Air%20Force%20Aircraft%20Procurement%20Vol%20II%20Mods_1.pdf

De documenten m.b.t. Procurement Volume 1 of 2 en alle delen van Research, Development, Test & Evaluation zijn te vinden via onderstaande.

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=56647&sid=81436bbe7d755e4d39c1bf47bc4c077e
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 12/02/2020 | 10:19 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/02/2020 | 08:54 uur
Wordt de complete Canadian Armed Forces bedoeld of alleen RCAF v/h Air Command?

als ik het goed begrijp zijn er geen krijgsmachtdelen meer in China.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/02/2020 | 10:31 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 12/02/2020 | 10:19 uur
als ik het goed begrijp zijn er geen krijgsmachtdelen meer in China.

Verwar je Canada per ongeluk met China?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/navy-and-air-force-to-be-royal-once-again-1.1034037
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 12/02/2020 | 11:16 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/02/2020 | 10:31 uur
Verwar je Canada per ongeluk met China?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/navy-and-air-force-to-be-royal-once-again-1.1034037

nope

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_of_the_Canadian_Armed_Forces

En aangezien de OPCO´s van NL elkaar de tent uitvechten zou ik er nog bijna voor zijn om dit over te nemen. Maar de bal van de problemen van ons liggen door slecht politiek beleid bij de OPCO Commandanten. Unificatie zou het in ons geval alleen nog maar erger maken. Alhoewel, ik zou kunnen leven met 1 opco als die a la het USMC wordt opgezet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/02/2020 | 11:39 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 12/02/2020 | 11:16 uur
nope

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_of_the_Canadian_Armed_Forces

En aangezien de OPCO´s van NL elkaar de tent uitvechten zou ik er nog bijna voor zijn om dit over te nemen. Maar de bal van de problemen van ons liggen door slecht politiek beleid bij de OPCO Commandanten. Unificatie zou het in ons geval alleen nog maar erger maken. Alhoewel, ik zou kunnen leven met 1 opco als die a la het USMC wordt opgezet.

De overkoepelende naam is inderdaad Canadian Armed Forces (CAF). Het is ook vergelijkbaar met de Australian Defence Force (ADF).

Sinds augustus 2011 heten de afzonderlijke Canadese delen weer respectievelijk Canadian Army, Royal Canadian Air Force en Royal Canadian Navy (zie eerdere link).

Homepage van de RCAF.

https://forces.ca/en/about-us/air
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 12/02/2020 | 12:21 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/02/2020 | 11:39 uur
De overkoepelende naam is inderdaad Canadian Armed Forces (CAF). Het is ook vergelijkbaar met de Australian Defence Force (ADF).

Sinds augustus 2011 heten de afzonderlijke Canadese delen weer respectievelijk Canadian Army, Royal Canadian Air Force en Royal Canadian Navy (zie eerdere link).

Homepage van de RCAF.

https://forces.ca/en/about-us/air

Ze heten zo ja. ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/02/2020 | 13:06 uur
F-35A Block 4 (pagina 303 van 716)

CitaatDescription:
The F-35 Block 4 Program is established to retrofit advanced capabilities on the F-35As to increase the capability and lethality of the weapon system to meet current and future threats. Funding is required to upgrade Low Rate Initial Production (LRIP) Lots 5-16, totaling 457.  148 aircraft of the 457 will only retrofit to a Lot 15 Block 4 configuration.  The remaining 309 aircraft will upgrade to a Lot 17 Production configuration.

Block 4 incorporation will not follow the traditional Block upgrade approach; instead, modifications will be performed through a Continuous Capability Development and Delivery Concept that entails upgrades to both hardware and software on fielded aircraft on a yearly base.  The current modification incorporation schedule synchronizes with planned production cut-in below, except planned installs for Lot 15 capabilities in 2024.  This effort includes, but not limited to the below capabilities and associated modification install timelines:

2021 (Lot 13) - Magazine Retainer Plate - Chaff and Flare Magazine Retainer Plate - provides the capability for programmable expendables, programmable magazine load-outs, programmable emergency jettison and quicker inventory
2022 (Lot 14) - High-efficiency low voltage power supply (HE-LVPS) and Digital Channelized Receiver / Techniques Generator (DCRTG).  And Dual Capable Aircraft (DCA) -  Adds high efficiency-low voltage power and a second DCRTG to the Electronic Warfare system -  Achieves the DCA weapon load-out requirement on Lot 13 production aircraft by the operational need date of Jan 2024
2023 (Lot 15 - Mods start in 2024) - Technical Refresh 3 (TR3), Next Generation Distributed Aperture System (Next Gen DAS), Cooling Mod, and Advanced Communication, Navigation, Identification Processor - TR3 -integrates new integrated core processor, panoramic cockpit display, and aircraft memory system to meet Block 4 processing, memory, and throughput requirements - Next Gen DAS - replaces current DAS due to sensor reliability while increasing performance to provide larger pixel focal plane array and higher operating temperatures - Cooling Mod - increases cooling capacity to support electronic warfare growth and addition of Full Motion Video (FMV)
2024 (Lot 16) - Full Motion Video, Embedded GPS and Inertial Navigation System (EGI), Modernized Electronic Warfare  Controller(M-EWC), and Modernized Electronic Warfare  Processor (M-EWP) - Full Motion Video - adds the capability to receive encrypted and unencrypted full motion video and still imagery from Operational Facilities and Remote Video Terminals - EGI - hardware enabler for M-Code/Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast/Required Navigation Performance/area navigation capabilities - EWC/EWP - Increases 8 core processors (SDD) to 32 providing more than 3 times the processing performance for running advance algorithms and supporting the transition from 12 Receivers (SDD) to 20 receivers
2025 (Lot 17) -  Advanced Multi Channel Transceiver Receiver (AMCTR), Band 2/3/4/5 Electronic Warfare (EW) Hardware (HW) and EW Group 2 - AMCTR - Provides MIDS Modernization Increment 1 (MMI) Concurrent Multi-Netting (CMN) and Concurrent Contention Receive (CCR) capabilities - Band 2/3/4/5 EW HW - provides Band 2&5 RWR functionality by adding Band 2 Nose Landing Gear Door (NLGD) Aperture, Band 3/4 NLGD Aperture, Band 2/3/4 Array Electronic Module (AEM), Band - 3/4/5 AEM, Band 5 Apertures, and Band 5 AEM

https://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/Portals/84/documents/FY21/PROCUREMENT_/FY21%20Air%20Force%20Aircraft%20Procurement%20Vol%20II%20Mods_1.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/02/2020 | 19:05 uur
BREAKING: Boeing Wants Washington To Clear F-15EX Pitch To India

https://www.livefistdefence.com/2020/02/breaking-boeing-wants-washington-to-clear-f-15ex-pitch-to-india.html via @livefist
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 12/02/2020 | 23:56 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/02/2020 | 08:53 uur
Gezien de bron: voor wat het waard is...

MiG-41: Russia works on its most advanced, 5++ aircraft to dateЧитайте больше на

https://www.pravdareport.com/news/science/144313-mig_41_russia/
Zo tegen medio jaren 80, stond er een schitterende artist impression in diverse tijdschriften, waaronder zelfs de "Panorama".  Van een toekomstig steels / Low Observable  (LO) jachtvliegtuig, dat hoog supersonisch tot zelfs hypersonisch kon vliegen.  Dit was een onderzoek project van de US Air Force en de NASA naar een Trans-Atmosferisch Vehicle (TAV).  In andere woorden, deze kist moest in en uit de ruimte kunnen vliegen en kon opereren vanaf gewone vliegbases.  Zo rond 1983/84 waren er ook al sterke geruchten over een Mach 5 snelle vervanger voor de iconische Mach 3,5 SR-71 Blackbird.
Dit was ook de tijd van diverse Single Stage To Orbit ruimtevliegtuig programma's als de NASA X-30, Britse HOTOL, de Duitse Mach 6 Saenger met een X-37 achtig ruimteveertje op de rug en ook de Russen hadden dergelijke project(en).
De Sovjet-Unie en Warschaupact zakten als een verrotte appel in elkaar en al deze uitdagende en (peper) dure projecten verdwenen weer (uit het zicht).

In de jaren 90 gingen de Amerikanen, toch door met onderzoek naar allerlei hypersonische concepten.  En ook andere landen, zoals Japan, Frankrijk, ja zelfs Australie en Rusland deden toen onderzoek naar gecombineerde hypersonische lucht-, / ruimtevaart aandrijvingen in de vorm van o.a. ramjets en scramjets.  In 1998 - '99 kwam nog een Amerikaanse project in het nieuws, waarbij dit ruimtevliegtuig de dampkring gebruikte, om net als een platte steen vlak over het water te ketsen.  Dit golf-vormig vlucht profiel in combinatie met een hoog hypersonische snelheid, maakte dat dit toestel niet te onderscheppen viel.
Al gauw niets meer van gehoord.  Maar dan wordt George Bush Jr. president en hij werpt in 2001 het voorstel op.  Om de ontwikkeling en bouw van JSF project en F-22A Raptor maar over te slaan.  Ten faveure van ... hypersonische vliegtuigen.  911 barst los, de Coalitie / NAVO gaat aan 'small wars' doen en toen hoorden we helemaal niets meer van dit idee.

Het MiG-41 is net als de andere 'wonder wapens' van Putin gebaseerd op onderzoeken en concept-ontwerpen uit vooral de Sovjet tijd en in dit geval ook jaren negentig.
Baffff, dat was een big-bag met zout, het MiG-41 eerst maar eens zien, dan pas geloven.
Maar ... er is wel een trend naar steeds snellere gevechtsvliegtuigen, die die hoge snelheid combineren met LO en een grote actieradius, denk aan 1.000 nm / 1.852 km.
En dan moet je toch echt ook aan hogere plafonds gaan denken.   Dus zeg nooit, nooit.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 13/02/2020 | 00:23 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 12/02/2020 | 23:56 uur
Zo tegen medio jaren 80, stond er een schitterende artist impression in diverse tijdschriften, waaronder zelfs de "Panorama".  Van een toekomstig steels / Low Observable  (LO) jachtvliegtuig, dat hoog supersonisch tot zelfs hypersonisch kon vliegen.  Dit was een onderzoek project van de US Air Force en de NASA naar een Trans-Atmosferisch Vehicle (TAV).  In andere woorden, deze kist moest in en uit de ruimte kunnen vliegen en kon opereren vanaf gewone vliegbases.  Zo rond 1983/84 waren er ook al sterke geruchten over een Mach 5 snelle vervanger voor de iconische Mach 3,5 SR-71 Blackbird.
Dit was ook de tijd van diverse Single Stage To Orbit ruimtevliegtuig programma's als de NASA X-30, Britse HOTOL, de Duitse Mach 6 Saenger met een X-37 achtig ruimteveertje op de rug en ook de Russen hadden dergelijke project(en).
De Sovjet-Unie en Warschaupact zakten als een verrotte appel in elkaar en al deze uitdagende en (peper) dure projecten verdwenen weer (uit het zicht).

In de jaren 90 gingen de Amerikanen, toch door met onderzoek naar allerlei hypersonische concepten.  En ook andere landen, zoals Japan, Frankrijk, ja zelfs Australie en Rusland deden toen onderzoek naar gecombineerde hypersonische lucht-, / ruimtevaart aandrijvingen in de vorm van o.a. ramjets en scramjets.  In 1998 - '99 kwam nog een Amerikaanse project in het nieuws, waarbij dit ruimtevliegtuig de dampkring gebruikte, om net als een platte steen vlak over het water te ketsen.  Dit golf-vormig vlucht profiel in combinatie met een hoog hypersonische snelheid, maakte dat dit toestel niet te onderscheppen viel.
Al gauw niets meer van gehoord.  Maar dan wordt George Bush Jr. president en hij werpt in 2001 het voorstel op.  Om de ontwikkeling en bouw van JSF project en F-22A Raptor maar over te slaan.  Ten faveure van ... hypersonische vliegtuigen.  911 barst los, de Coalitie / NAVO gaat aan 'small wars' doen en toen hoorden we helemaal niets meer van dit idee.

Het MiG-41 is net als de andere 'wonder wapens' van Putin gebaseerd op onderzoeken en concept-ontwerpen uit vooral de Sovjet tijd en in dit geval ook jaren negentig.
Baffff, dat was een big-bag met zout, het MiG-41 eerst maar eens zien, dan pas geloven.
Maar ... er is wel een trend naar steeds snellere gevechtsvliegtuigen, die die hoge snelheid combineren met LO en een grote actieradius, denk aan 1.000 nm / 1.852 km.
En dan moet je toch echt ook aan hogere plafonds gaan denken.   Dus zeg nooit, nooit.

Het is niet zo gek dat de Russen nu terug pakken naar ontwerpen uit de Soviet tijd of de jaren '90 want sinds de val van de SU is de gehele Russische defensie industrie grotendeels stil komen te liggen als je het over compleet nieuwe wapen systemen hebt. Men heeft (te) lang voortgeborduurd op de systemen die toen ontwikkeld zijn maar voor de nieuwe generatie wapensystemen moeten ze wel nieuwe dingen gaan ontwikkelen. Ik heb het idee dat de strategie er achter is om de industrie weer volledig op te bouwen en ook om te zorgen dat de kennis weer up to date is.

Toestellen zoals een MIG-41 als die er nu nog gaan komen zullen er niet in grote aantallen gaan rondvliegen. Dit zelfde is gebeurd bij de F-22, een prima toestel maar van de origineel geplande 750 stuks zijn er nu slechts 195 gebouwd. En daarmee is het meer een ''test toestel'' voor de nieuwe generatie vliegtuigen waarbij de F-35 de eerste ''echte productie'' next-gen kist is met een gepland aantal van ruim 2600 F-35's voor alleen de VS en in totaal zelfs 3500 geplande toestellen binnen 9 landen.

De F-22 is wel een operationeel toestel maar op een zeer kleine schaal en het is voornamelijk (in mijn ogen) een toestel waarbij het concept ''5th gen'' getest is en die resultaten kunnen ook gebruikt worden voor de 6th gen toestellen. Door de toevoeging van veel computers en technologie is het een totaal ander toestel dan de voorgangers.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 13/02/2020 | 00:32 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/02/2020 | 09:03 uur
Maar goed voor de US Navy dat na FY 2021 de productie van de F-35C omhoog gaat.
Als reactie  op:  https://news.usni.org/2020/02/10/navy-cuts-super-hornet-production-to-develop-next-generation-fighter

De interesse van de US Navy voor de F-35 is op zijn best altijd lauw geweest.  In juni 2008 werd er een eisen / behoeften-pakket opgesteld onder het F/A-XX programma, als vervanger voor de F-18E/F Super Hornet en EA-18G Growler vloot, beginnend tegen het einde van de jaren 20.  Begin jaren 30 zullen de eerste Super Hornets hun levensduur van 9.000 vlieguren hebben bereikt.
In april 2012 plaatste de US Navy een Request For Information (RFI) aan diverse fabrikanten voor deze F/A-XX, ook wel bekend als NGAD, Next Generation Air Dominance programma.  Maar in juli 2009 openbaarde Boeing al een F/A-XX concept.
De gemaakte besparingen door na Fiscal Year 2021 geen 'Super Bugs' meer af te nemen gaan naar een versnelling van dit F/A-XX / NGAD project.
Volgens de huidige planning wordt de F-35 familie gebouwd tot 2035.  Maar de US Navy zal blijven streven naar een minimaal aantal F-35C's.

Heeft allemaal te maken met de dreigingen in Oost-Azie.  In China zitten ze met DF-21, DF-26 ballistische missiles en J-20 en J-31 nou niet bepaald op hun handen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/02/2020 | 08:28 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 13/02/2020 | 00:32 uur
De gemaakte besparingen door na Fiscal Year 2021 geen 'Super Bugs' meer af te nemen gaan naar een versnelling van dit F/A-XX / NGAD project.
Volgens de huidige planning wordt de F-35 familie gebouwd tot 2035.  Maar de US Navy zal blijven streven naar een minimaal aantal F-35C's.

De US Navy order is al van 260 stuks F-35C gegaan naar 273 stuks. Ook zijn de 67 stuks F-35C van de USMC het minimum aantal. Er is een mogelijkheid dat ook dit omhoog gaat.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/02/2020 | 08:49 uur
Pentagon Budget 2021: US Air Force again pursuing A-10 cuts

Key Points
•The US Air Force is once again targeting its A-10 fleet for cuts
•The service has tried this before in recent years, only to be stymied by lawmakers

The US Air Force (USAF) is looking to reduce its Fairchild-Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II close air support (CAS) fleet again, this time by proposing to cut its non-active force fleet by 46 aircraft, or by 33%, in fiscal year (FY) 2021.

The USAF, according to its FY 2021 budget request released on 10 February, would keep its active force A-10 fleet at 143 aircraft but the service would slash its Air National Guard (ANG) fleet from 85 aircraft to 46 and also reduce its Air Force Reserve fleet from 55 aircraft to 48.

Major General John Pletcher, deputy assistant secretary for financial management and comptroller, told reporters on 10 February that these aircraft would be the oldest and least-ready aircraft, and that these cuts, combined with planned modernisations, would allow the USAF to have A-10s in seven squadrons flying into the 2030s.

This is the third time since 2014 that the USAF has tried to reduce the size of the A-10 fleet. The USAF proposed divesting the entire active force A-10 fleet as part of its FY 2016 budget request, but was stymied by lawmakers.

A Pentagon watchdog and retired US Marine Corps (USMC) captain criticised the USAF for again trying to reduce its A-10 fleet. Dan Grazier, military fellow with the Project on Government Oversight (POGO) watchdog group in Washington, DC, told Jane's on 11 February that despite Congress repeatedly affirming its support for the A-10 and an effective CAS capability, USAF leaders have apparently convinced the President Donald Trump administration to allow them to press forward with their long-held desire to sunset, or gradually retire, the fleet.

https://www.janes.com/article/94256/pentagon-budget-2021-us-air-force-again-pursuing-a-10-cuts
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 13/02/2020 | 22:37 uur
Lockheed Martin says ready to help India on Tejas and AMCA projects

"We are very open to any requirement from the government of India or the Indian Air Force for any help for the Tejas as well as the AMCA (advanced multi-role combat aircraft) project," Vivek Lall, vice president of Strategy and Business Development for Lockheed Martin told PTI in an interview without divulging specifics.

NEW DELHI: US aerospace giant Lockheed Martin has offered to help India in its multi-billion dollar programme to develop a next generation advanced multi-role combat aircraft and boost capability of the Tejas fighter jet.

The offer by the US aerospace firm comes ahead of President Donald Trump's maiden visit to India on February 24-25 during which both strategic partners are expected to further expand defence and military cooperation.

Vivek Lall, vice president of Strategy and  of Strategy and Business Development for Lockheed Martin, said the company is "very open" to assisting India in further development of the Tejas combat jet as well as the ambitious next generation aircraft.

"We are very open to any requirement from the government of India or the Indian Air Force for any help for the Tejas as well as the AMCA (advanced multi-role combat aircraft) project," Lall told PTI in an interview without divulging specifics.

The indigenously developed Tejas has been a showpiece project of India being implemented by the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) and the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA). Both HAL and ADA are now focusing on an upgraded version of Tejas to make it a world class plane.

India is also working on an ambitious USD 5 billion project to develop a fifth-generation medium weight deep penetration fighter jet to significantly bolster its air power capability.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/lockheed-martin-says-ready-to-help-india-on-tejas-and-amca-projects/articleshow/74117509.cms


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/02/2020 | 14:56 uur
French Navy New Rafale M F3-R Conduct First Operational Missions

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/02/french-navy-new-rafale-m-f3-r-conduct-first-operational-mission/

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A Rafale M F3-R fitted with the RECO NG pod. French Navy picture.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/02/2020 | 09:17 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 18/02/2020 | 19:21 uur
HAL back on Rafale Radar, talks on for making jets in India

French aircraft manufacturer Dassault and state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited have worked most recently on $2.1 b deal to upgrade IAF's Mirage 2000 fleet. General Rawat has spoken of staggered purchases of fighter jets in the future, his idea being that small batches would be ordered to ensure that allocated funds can cover the price.

NEW DELHI: French aircraft manufacturer Dassault and state-owned HAL are in talks for possible cooperation in producing Rafale fighter jets in India for additional anticipated orders under a 'staggered procurement' plan.

Sources have told ET that a few rounds of discussions have taken place between the companies on possible work share for additional orders of the cutting edge combat jet, though there is no going back to earlier discussions that broke down in 2012 over differences in loc ..

The two aviation companies are old partners, having worked most recently on the $2.1 billion deal to upgrade the Indian Air Force's Mirage 2000 fleet. If additional orders are placed for Rafale — Chief of Defence Staff Gen Bipin Rawat hinted recently that 36 more fighter jets could be ordered within four years — a work share model could be worked out to manufacture parts for the fighter jet at HAL facilities.

At present, French manufacturers are executing the order for 36 jets and investing 50% of the €7.8 billion contract price in the Indian aerospace and defence sectors as part of the offsets clause, with a factory in partnership with Reliance Defence at Nagpur also geared to produce the Falcon executive jets.

While the contours of a possible partnership have not been finalised, sources confirmed that detailed discussions have taken place on how HAL facilities and expertise could be used for the next round of localisation when more jets are ordered.

In several comments over the past weeks, General Rawat has spoken of staggered purchases of fighter jets in the future, his idea being that small batches would be ordered to ensure that allocated funds can cover the price. The top officer also suggested that 36 more Rafales could be ordered in three to four years to make up for gaps in fighter squadron strength.

The current batch of Rafales on order are following the 'staggered payments' model, with India paying for 11 fighter jets every year till deliveries end. If the contract is extended, the staggered procurement could stretch over the next few years to make up for fighter shortages.

As reported by ET, an offer is on the table for the sale of two more squadrons, which means 36 additional Rafale jets, for the IAF. While the deal for 36 Rafale jets signed in 2016 cost €7.87 billion, the additional 36 aircraft could cost significantly lower at around €6 billion as fixed costs covering India specific enhancements, training equipment and infrastructure have already been made.

The two airbases that are being created for the Rafales on order are capable of absorbing additional jets without any change, which would also bring down the cost of the deal. If the Rafale jet deal is extended with the 'staggered order approach' it could lead to a rethink on earlier plans of acquiring 110 fighter jets under the Strategic Partnership (SP) model that requires an Indian company to tie up with a foreign collaborates to produce the aircraft domestically.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/hal-back-on-rafale-radar-talks-on-for-making-jets-in-india/articleshow/74183640.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 18/02/2020 | 19:50 uur
CitaatWhile the deal for 36 Rafale jets signed in 2016 cost €7.87 billion, the additional 36 aircraft could cost significantly lower at around €6 billion as fixed costs covering India specific enhancements, training equipment and infrastructure have already been made.

India... meer dan de helft van jullie inwoners poept nog op straat of gaat dood aan iets simpels als een griepje. Meer dan een kwart heeft geen toegang tot basisonderwijs, het hele stukje aarde waar jullie op leven is wel zo verontreinigd dat er niets meer groeit en bloeit. Iets met prioriteiten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 18/02/2020 | 20:36 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 18/02/2020 | 20:10 uur
Veiligheid is niet optioneel. Ook niet als je bevolking op straat poept. Dat geld voor ons, maar ook voor hun. En ja prioriteiten moet je stellen, maar de hoeveelheid moderne uitrusting van de Indiase Luchtmacht is echt niet overdreven.

Alsof dit de gemiddelde indier helpt. Verandert werkelijk nul komma nul voor ze. Terwijl met die miljarden miljoenen kinderen duurzaam geholpen kunnen worden. Ik vind het echt werkelijk waar, appels en peren wat je stelt. Wij daarintegen hebben een veel grotere afhankelijkheid van die paar miljard die we uitgeven dan zij aan Defensie.

Hun halve Defensie is gebouwd op een pikomhoog wedstrijd met Pakinstan, de andere helft met emotionele keuzes 'want India'.
dat je dit niet zo ziet, had ik niet van jou verwacht.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 18/02/2020 | 22:50 uur
Ik snap wat je bedoelt, Huzaar, en je hebt op zijn minst wel een beetje een punt, maar ik denk dat je ook niet moet onderschatten dat men niet alleen met Pakistan rekening houdt, maar ok met... China.

De twee hebben in het verleden al een aantal bloedige "grensdispuutjes" gehad en het is niet zomaar dat Pakistan en China heel goede vriendjes zijn geworden en al helemaal nadat de VS "moeilijk" ging doen over wapenleveranties naar Pakistan i.v.m. de rol die dat land speelt en speelde in Afghanistan. Daar komt dan nog bij dat de VS juist de banden aanhaalt met India.

Hoe dan ook: India ervaart... terecht of onterecht (ik denk terecht)... dreiging vanuit China en Pakistan.

Dat men meer zou moeten doen om het land en de bevolking te ontwikkelen ben ik met je eens.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/02/2020 | 08:48 uur
New Missile Prepares for F-35 Tests

https://www.airforcemag.com/new-missile-prepares-for-f-35-tests/

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A Letterkenny Munitions Center technician prepares an Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile for testing onsite. Letterkenny Munitions Center photo.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/02/2020 | 09:27 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/02/2020 | 09:36 uur
Spanje neemt deel aan Frans-Duitse 'Euro-JSF'

Leonard van den Broek  21/02/2020

Frankrijk en Duitsland hebben een eerste contract getekend voor de financiering van FCAS, het Future Combat Air System. De ontwikkeling van dit Europese gevechtsvliegtuig kan hiermee van start gaan, zo meldt Airbus in een persbericht.

Demonstratie

Het contract, ter waarde van 155 miljoen euro, betreft 'ontwikkelfase 1A'. Duitsland en Frankrijk dragen ieder 78 miljoen euro bij. In de komende 18 maanden zullen verschillende bedrijven uit de Franse en Duitse defensie-industrie werken aan demonstratie-modellen. Het eerste technologisch demonstratie-toestel zou in 2026 zijn eerste vlucht moeten maken.

Spanje

Tijdens de volgende ontwikkelfase (fase 1B) zal ook Spanje gaan deelnemen aan het project. Wat de Spaanse deelname precies zal inhouden, is nog onbekend. Volgens AviationWeek zijn de Franse en Duitse partners bovendien niet zo te spreken over het bedrijf dat door de Spaanse regering naar voren is geschoven. In plaats van het Spaanse IT-bedrijf Indra Systems, had Airbus veel liever gezien dat de Spaanse tak van Airbus zou deelnemen aan het FCAS-project.

Hoofdaannemer

Het FCAS-project bestaat uit vier onderdelen. Voor elk deel is een ander bedrijf de hoofdaannemer. Voor het gevechtsvliegtuig, de 'Next Generation Fighter', is Dassault de hoofdaannemer en Airbus de belangrijkste partner. Naast het gevechtsvliegtuig zullen ook 'remote carriers' worden ontwikkeld, onbemande kleinere toestellen die nauw zullen samenwerken met het gevechtsvliegtuig. Airbus gaat deze onbemande toestellen ontwikkelen samen met partner MBDA.

F-35

Derde onderdeel van het project is een 'combat cloud network', waarmee het gevechtsvliegtuig verbinding kan maken met andere gevechtsvliegtuigen, de onbemande 'remote carriers' en andere partners op de grond en in de lucht. Opmerkelijk genoeg beschikt de F-35 nu ook al over zo'n netwerksysteem voor uitwisseling van informatie. Het laatste onderdeel van het FCAS-project is de straalmotor van het gevechtsvliegtuig. Waarschijnlijk wordt dit een doorontwikkeling van de Safran M88 motor, waar ook de Dassault Rafale mee is uitgerust. Het Franse Safrane zal de motor gaan ontwikkelen met het Duitse MTU als partner.

Concurrentie

FCAS is niet de enige Europese straaljager die momenteel in ontwikkeling is. Het toestel ervaart concurrentie van 'Project Tempest', een project van Groot-Brittannië, Italië en Zweden. Dit toestel is, evenals FCAS, de beoogde opvolger van de Eurofighter Typhoon. Met de deelname van Italië en Zweden aan het Britse programma lijken zich twee 'blokken' te vormen in Europa wat betreft de ontwikkeling van een volgende generatie gevechtstoestel.

https://www.upinthesky.nl/2020/02/21/frankrijk-en-duitsland-tekenen-voor-prototype-nieuwe-europese-straaljager/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/02/2020 | 09:54 uur
Airbus makes Tranche 3 Eurofighter offer to Colombia

https://www.janes.com/article/94444/airbus-makes-tranche-3-eurofighter-offer-to-colombia

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Airbus is offering 15 Tranche 3 Eurofighters to Colombia, alongside an existing offer of 17 surplus Tranche 1 aircraft that is being made by the Spanish government. (Eurofighter)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 23/02/2020 | 23:10 uur
NASA F15 gewapend met AIM-54 Phoenix.

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/heres-why-nasa-equipped-an-f-15-with-an-aim-54-and-why-usaf-never-outfitted-its-eagle-fleet-with-the-mighty-phoenix/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/02/2020 | 08:24 uur
Canada extends deadline for fighter jet proposals (daar gaan ze weer  :sick:)

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/canada-extends-deadline-for-fighter-jet-proposals
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/02/2020 | 08:25 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/02/2020 | 09:53 uur
Air Force Selects Alabama, Wisconsin Air National Guard for F-35s

https://www.airforcemag.com/daily/alabama-wisconsin-to-get-f-35s-2018-budget-includes-seed-money-for-b-52-re-engining-defense-strategy-coming-soon/

Documenten zijn te vinden via deze link:

http://www.angf35eis.com/Documents.aspx

Edit. Het was al eind 2017 bekend en nu dus definitief. Onderstaand het 2017 bericht.

AF selects locations for next two Air National Guard F-35 bases

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1402425/af-selects-locations-for-next-two-air-national-guard-f-35-bases/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/02/2020 | 16:01 uur
F-35 Fleet Won't Need Inspections for Mixed-Up Fasteners

https://www.airforcemag.com/f-35-fleet-wont-need-inspections-for-mixed-up-fasteners/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/02/2020 | 10:28 uur
"The fighter jet era has passed": Elon Musk

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/the-fighter-jet-era-has-passed-elon-musk/137017.article#.XloudHaW-7Q.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/02/2020 | 10:40 uur
HX Challenge completed successfully

https://ilmavoimat.fi/artikkeli/-/asset_publisher/hx-challenge-on-saatu-onnistuneesti-paatokseen?_101_INSTANCE_zpOUAaUvEFjE_languageId=en_US


(Gebruik Engelse ondertiteling)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 01/03/2020 | 10:11 uur
Flightglobal: F-35 profitability could suffer after losing cheap manufacturing in Turkey (https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/f-35-profitability-could-suffer-after-losing-cheap-manufacturing-in-turkey/137020.article)
CitaatThe Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II's profitability could suffer due to the programme losing access to less expensive parts suppliers in Turkey.
...
Removing Turkey from the supply chain of the F-35 has consequences, however. As the only developing country in the Joint Strike Fighter programme, Turkey's lower cost labour was relied upon to bring the cost of the fighter down.

Turkish industrial participation in the F-35 programme included 10 companies which received more than $1 billion worth of contracts to supply more than 900 parts. The country's manufacturing base was projected to receive up to $12 billion in F-35 work over the life of the programme, according to Lockheed Martin.
...
The F-35 programme is Lockheed Martin's largest product line, generating 27% of its total net sales in 2019, according to the company's financial filing.

The company's Aeronautics business segment, which includes the F-35, generated $23.6 billion in net sales in 2019, with a 10.6% operating margin. Between 2017 and 2018, the segment has generated an operating margin of 11.2% and 10.7%, respectively.

The Aeronautics business segment is made of F-35, C‑130, F-16 and F-22. However, the F-35 generated 69% of its net sales in 2019.
...
"Now, going forward there'll be new opportunities," says Ulmer. "Poland, for example, I think we're going to find could provide high quality and lower [production] costs."

Dus met een cost+++ F-35 wordt geproduceerd met >10% winst voor LM. Onder leveranciers worden uitgeknepen.
Mag ik van mening zijn dat de marge bij LM max 5% mag zijn met hoe het project is opgezet.
Wij in Nederland kunnen ons werkaandeel vergeten. O.a. ten koste van Polen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/03/2020 | 12:24 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 01/03/2020 | 10:11 uur
Dus met een cost+++ F-35 wordt geproduceerd met >10% winst voor LM. Onder leveranciers worden uitgeknepen.
Mag ik van mening zijn dat de marge bij LM max 5% mag zijn met hoe het project is opgezet.
Wij in Nederland kunnen ons werkaandeel vergeten. O.a. ten koste van Polen.

Met deze redenering zou de andere F-35 level 2 partner Italië dus ook voor het werk moeten vrezen. Elke toeleverancier wereldwijd moet scherp blijven. Logisch dat je eruit ligt als je het niet waar kunt maken. Verwacht zelf niet dat Nederlandse toeleveranciers iets te vrezen hebben.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/03/2020 | 09:56 uur
First F135 Engine Module Repair Completed Outside of the United States (het zal niet niet lang duren voordat Nederland en Noorwegen dat ook hebben gedaan)

https://asiapacificdefencereporter.com/first-f135-engine-module-repair-completed-outside-of-the-united-states/?platform=hootsuite
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/03/2020 | 15:24 uur
Saab announces team for Canada Gripen E campaign

https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/saab-announces-team-for-canada-gripen-e-campaign/137050.article
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/03/2020 | 11:59 uur
Lockheed Martin Delivers 500th F-35 Aircraft, Surpasses 250,000 Flights Hours

March 03, 2020

Lockheed Martin and the F-35 Joint Program Office delivered the 500th F-35. In February, the F-35 enterprise surpassed 250,000 flight hours.

The 500th production aircraft is a U.S. Air Force F-35A, to be delivered to the Burlington Air National Guard Base in Vermont. The 500 hundred F-35s include 354 F-35A conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL) variants, 108 F-35B short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) variants and 38 F-35C carrier (CV) variants for the U.S. and international customers. The 250,000 flight hours include all F-35s in the fleet comprised of developmental test jets, training, operational, U.S. and international aircraft.

"These milestones are a testament to the talent and dedication of the joint government, military and industry teams," said Greg Ulmer, Lockheed Martin, Vice President and General Manager of the F-35 program. "The F-35 is delivering an unprecedented 5th Generation combat capability to the warfighter at the cost of a 4th Generation legacy aircraft."

The F-35 operates from 23 bases worldwide. More than 985 pilots and over 8,890 maintainers are trained.Nine nations use the F-35 from their home soil, eight services have declared Initial Operating Capability and four services have employed F-35s in combat operations.

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(https://f35.com/assets/uploads/images/ProgramSummary500thF-35.jpg)

https://f35.com/news/detail/18303
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/03/2020 | 09:28 uur
Coronavirus fears cause halt at Japan, Italy F-35 facilities

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020/03/04/coronavirus-fears-cause-halt-at-japan-italy-f-35-facilities/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/03/2020 | 13:40 uur
Australia To Sell Retired F/A-18 Hornet Fighters To Private Aggressor Firm Air USA

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/32464/australia-to-sell-retired-f-a-18-hornet-fighters-to-private-aggressor-firm-air-usa
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/03/2020 | 11:27 uur
Norway's new F-35 scrambled for first time to meet Russian anti-sub aircraft

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2020/03/norways-new-f-35-scrambled-first-time-meet-russian-anti-sub-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/03/2020 | 08:34 uur
Are reports of the death of manned fighters premature? | Malcolm Davis | 

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/are-reports-of-the-death-of-manned-fighters-premature/ via @aspi_org
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 10/03/2020 | 12:58 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 01/03/2020 | 10:11 uur
Flightglobal: F-35 profitability could suffer after losing cheap manufacturing in Turkey (https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/f-35-profitability-could-suffer-after-losing-cheap-manufacturing-in-turkey/137020.article)
Dus met een cost+++ F-35 wordt geproduceerd met >10% winst voor LM. Onder leveranciers worden uitgeknepen.
Mag ik van mening zijn dat de marge bij LM max 5% mag zijn met hoe het project is opgezet.
Wij in Nederland kunnen ons werkaandeel vergeten. O.a. ten koste van Polen.

Je rekensom klopt niet, echt totaal niet. Met getallen strooien en hopen dat niemand erop ingaat omd awt het een ver van hun bed show is is wel wat makkelijk.

Ten eerste verdient de luchtmacht nergens iets aan. Ten tweede is winstoogmerk wel zo ongeveer het laatste aspect bij aanschaf van militaire goederen, ten derde gaat dit om strategische capabilities die veel verder gaan dan wie wat waar het meest goedkoop produceert. Je wil er zo dik mogelijk inzitten, en dat doet NL aardig goed.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/03/2020 | 08:54 uur
Navy Says Ending Super Hornet Line Frees Up Resources for Life Extension Work

https://news.usni.org/2020/03/10/navy-says-ending-super-hornet-line-frees-up-resources-for-life-extension-work
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/03/2020 | 09:10 uur
CitaatFirst flight 18-5345/AK. marked as 354 OG.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49645934807_2e255e10e2_h.jpg)

https://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=69822&start=1545

Eerste F-35A voor 354th Fighter Wing (Eielson AFB, Alaska).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/03/2020 | 09:35 uur
F-15EX engine competition would add 2-3 years to platform procurement (tot zover de snelle invoering van de F-15EX)

https://www.janes.com/article/94813/f-15ex-engine-competition-would-add-2-3-years-to-platform-procurement

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The US Air Force believes competing the engine to the F-15EX would drag out the aircraft's procurement by two-to-three years. (Jane's/Gareth Jennings)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 19/03/2020 | 08:34 uur
Union warns Germany against Super Hornet selection

One of Germany's biggest aerospace employee unions has warned the country's government that it risks jeopardising the entire European defence industry if it selects a US-built fighter to replace the Luftwaffe's Panavia Tornado fleet.

Berlin is currently weighing options for a successor aircraft, with a decision expected in early 2020; Boeing's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and the Eurofighter are both in contention.

However, the acquisition is complicated by the multiple roles performed by Germany's Tornados: as well as ground attack, electronic warfare (EW) and nuclear deterrent missions are also carried out.

While the Eurofighter would be a natural successor for the strike role, it currently has no EW capability and the US-provided nuclear bombs which would be carried by German aircraft have not been integrated on the multi-national type, potentially opening the door to the Super Hornet or E/A-18G variant.

Although the Super Hornet does not carry a nuclear payload, integration work would take considerably less time than on the Eurofighter, according to reports, if the USA allowed it at all.

But in an open letter to Germany's defence and economy ministers, plus the head of the chancellery, the IG Metall union warns against selecting the F/A-18E/F, even as part of a split-buy.

IG Metall says that 25,000 jobs in Germany and 100,000 in Europe as a whole depend solely on Eurofighter production; a decision against that programme "jeopardises the future of our workforce", it says.

Developing new capabilities for the Europe-built aircraft, such as EW or advanced sensors, is also essential to provide suitably skilled workers for the Franco-German Future Combat Air System programme, the union says.

"The purchase of the F-18 would not only flow billions of dollars in German tax money into the United States, but would also jeopardise the future of military aerospace in Germany. A split solution cannot be the preferred choice. A decision against German and European companies could not be explained to our employees and German taxpayers," the union writes.

IG Metall represents workers from Airbus Defence & Space, sensor specialist Hensoldt, engine maker MTU and aerostructures provider Premium Aerotec.

https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/union-warns-germany-against-super-hornet-selection/137368.article
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/03/2020 | 12:01 uur
130 House members want 24 percent more F-35s procured in FY21

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2020/03/19/130-house-members-want-24-percent-more-f-35s-procured-in-fy21/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/03/2020 | 12:02 uur
As coronavirus rages, Italian F-35 plant to reopen tomorrow after precautionary cleaning

https://www.defensenews.com/coronavirus/2020/03/17/as-coronavirus-rages-italian-f-35-plant-to-reopen-tomorrow-after-precautionary-cleaning/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 23/03/2020 | 19:27 uur
As USAF Fleet Plans Evolve, Can The F-35A Program Survive Intact?              By Steve Trimble, Aviation Weekly, 19 March 2020.

Original estimates for costs, schedules and quantities of the Lockheed Martin F-35 upon contract award in October 2001 proved highly unreliable over the fighter program's nearly two-decade life span, but one critical number did not: 1,763.

That four-digit figure represents program of record quantity for the U.S. Air Force—the F-35's largest customer by far—accounting for more than half of all projected orders by U.S. and international customers. The Navy and Marine Corps, the second- and third-largest buyers of the combat aircraft, respectively, downsized their planned F-35 fleet by 400 aircraft in 2004. But the Air Force's quantity never budged.

Although the Air Force's official number remains unchanged, the F-35A is facing a new credibility test after a series of public statements made by Gen. Mike Holmes, the head of Air Combat Command (ACC).

Air Force  will consider UAS to replace some F-16s
ACC sets 60% goal for fifth-gen mix in fighter fleet
In late February, Holmes suggested that low-cost and attritable unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) might be considered by ACC as a replacement for F-16 Block 25/30 jets (also known as "pre-block F-16s") within 5-8 years. In congressional testimony on March 12, Holmes added that ACC's goal is to achieve a fighter fleet ratio of 60% fifth-generation jets, such as F-35As and F-22s, to 40% fourth-generation aircraft, including F-15s, F-16s and A-10s. He also said a recent analysis by the Office of the Secretary of Defense recommends an even split between fourth- and fifth-generation fighters.

Barring a significant increase in the Air Force's authorized force structure, both statements appear to jeopardize the mathematical possibility for the F-35A to achieve the full program of record.

As fleet acquisition plans stand today, the F-35A program of record appears sound. Lockheed has delivered at least 224 F-35As to the Air Force so far. The public program of record calls for the F-35A to replace A-10s and F-16s, which currently number 281 and 1,037, respectively, according to Aviation Week and Air Force databases. In 2010, Lockheed and F-35 Joint Program Office officials also confirmed that the F-35 would replace the F-15E fleet after 2035, which currently numbers 228 aircraft. Adding the number of F-35As already delivered, the Air Force has a replacement population of 1,770 aircraft.

But Holmes' statements could significantly alter the equation. The service's latest budget justification documents show about 325 of the 1,037 F-16s now in the Air Force fleet form the "pre-block" fleet that could be retired by attritable UAS instead of F-35As.

Holmes' goal of a fighter fleet with a 60% share of fifth-generation jets also complicates the forecast for the F-35A. Including the F-22 fleet's 186 aircraft, as well as 234 F-15C/Ds, the Air Force today operates a total fleet of 2,190 fighters. A 60% share of the fleet results in 1,314 total fifth-generation aircraft. After subtracting the numbers of F-22s, the Air Force would have room for only 1,128 F-35As, which implies a 34% reduction from the program of record of 1,763.

Een US Air Force vloot bestaande uit 50 % 'vijfde generatie' jachtvliegtuigen, zoals voorgesteld door het Office of Secretary of Defense = 50 % x 2.190 = 1.095 - 186 F-22A's = 909 F-35A's.

The head of the Air Force's F-35 Integration Office acknowledges the numerical disparity implied by Holmes' statements, but he stands by the F-35 original program of record.

"The program of record for this aircraft is really long," Brig. Gen. David Abba said on March 9, referring to the Air Force's plans to continue F-35A production into the mid-2040s. "I understand that's a natural question to ask, but I don't think anybody's ready to make that sort of a declaration."

Altering the program of record would not change the steady, downward trajectory of the F-35A's recurring unit costs. Last year, Lockheed agreed to a priced option for Lot 14 deliveries in fiscal 2022, which falls to $77.9 million. But changing the overall procurement quantity does have an impact on the program acquisition unit cost (PAUC), which calculates the average cost per aircraft, including recurring and nonrecurring costs. In the program of record, the PAUC estimate is currently $116 million each for all three versions of the F-35.

Noting the forecast length of the F-35 production program, Abba recommends taking a long-term view. 

"I would focus less on the program of record element," Abba said, and more on the Air Force's plans "to keep options open."

Bron:  https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/usaf-fleet-plans-evolve-can-f-35a-program-survive-intact?utm_rid=CPEN1000003498615&utm_campaign=23517&utm_medium=email&elq2=fb96844e26474c6091661b994a5b0add
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/03/2020 | 09:56 uur
F-35 programme reduces remaining SDD capability requirements, but bulkhead issue remains

https://www.janes.com/article/95042/f-35-programme-reduces-remaining-sdd-capability-requirements-but-bulkhead-issue-remains

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An F-35B assigned to Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 122 prepares to land on the flight deck of the amphibious assault ship USS Makin Island (LHD 8 ) on 10 February 2020. The Pentagon and Lockheed Martin have narrowed down their remaining open SDD requirements, but issues with bulkhead cracking, especially on the F-35B, remain. Source: US Navy
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/03/2020 | 10:05 uur
First Marine F-35C Squadron Certified Safe for Flight

https://news.usni.org/2020/03/23/first-marine-f-35c-squadron-certified-safe-for-flight

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U.S Marine Corps Lt. Col Cedar L. Hinton, commanding officer of Marine Wing Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 314, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing (MAW) lands VMFA-314's first F-35C Lightning II on Marine Air Station Miramar, Calif., January 21, 2020. The F-35C will give 3rd MAW a technological advantage by bringing the next wave of 5th generation fighter jets to its arsenal. US Marine Corps photo.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 24/03/2020 | 10:11 uur
Amerikaanse Korps Mariniers wordt totaal omgebouwd, iemand daar al over geschreven?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/03/2020 | 10:15 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 24/03/2020 | 10:11 uur
Amerikaanse Korps Mariniers wordt totaal omgebouwd, iemand daar al over geschreven?

Zocht nog een topic voor dat onderwerp.

https://news.usni.org/2020/03/23/new-marine-corps-cuts-will-slash-all-tanks-many-heavy-weapons-as-focus-shifts-to-lighter-littoral-forces
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 24/03/2020 | 10:20 uur
Tanks weg, bijna alle artillerie weg, hele goede beslissingen in my opinion. Ze zijn veel en veel te log en symmetrisch nu, zitten veel te veel in het vaarwater van U.S army.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/03/2020 | 10:31 uur
Voor wat betreft de toekomst van USMC Aviation is het nog wachten op Aviation Plan 2020. Deze geeft een inzicht inclusief squadron transitie voor de komende 10 jaar en wordt volgende maand verwacht.

De link voor USMC Aviation Plan 2019

https://www.aviation.marines.mil/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: MasterChief1971 op 24/03/2020 | 11:08 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 24/03/2020 | 10:20 uur
Tanks weg, bijna alle artillerie weg, hele goede beslissingen in my opinion. Ze zijn veel en veel te log en symmetrisch nu, zitten veel te veel in het vaarwater van U.S army.

Mwah.... vind het MEU/SOC- concept nog steeds aardig. Een kleine eenheid (bataljon+) die alles heeft. Ideaal voor kick in door en directe steun (desert shield) ops.
Ga je naar brigade en divisieniveau dan is er meer sprake van dubbeling, denk ik.
Ik denk dat General Berger of anderen op USMC Warfighting Laboratory toch een beetje doorslaan of, in ieder geval, te hard gaan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/03/2020 | 11:20 uur
Voor alles over USMC tanks e.d. zie onderstaand topic.

https://www.defensieforum.nl/Forum/index.php?topic=28742.msg457417;topicseen#msg457417
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/03/2020 | 13:05 uur
Pentagon evaluating extending F-35 OLED helmet-mounted display life expectancy

https://www.janes.com/article/95062/pentagon-evaluating-extending-f-35-oled-helmet-mounted-display-life-expectancy

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Ten F-35C aircraft sit on the flight line at Naval Air Station Lemoore in California on 28 February 2019. The Pentagon is looking to extend the life expectancy of the F-35's organic light emitting diode (OLED) helmet-mounted display (HMD) beyond its projected four years to reduce sustainment costs. Source: US Navy
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/03/2020 | 13:58 uur
Rheinmetall NIOA Munitions set to produce and export medium-calibre ammunition for US Joint Strike Fighter programme

In an Australian first, Rheinmetall NIOA Munitions (RNM) is set to produce and export ammunition for the US F-35 Joint Strike Fighter programme.

RNM has announced that it will begin production of 25mm Frangible Armoured Piercing (FAP) projectiles at the federal government-owned Benalla plant in Victoria.

FAP is a new type of high-performance, explosive-free, multi-purpose ammunition for fighter planes and fighter-bombers. Each round is armed with a penetrator consisting of individual frangible heavy metal pellets and heavy metal sub-projectiles. After penetrating the target envelope, the heavy metal pellets disintegrate into multiple fragments. As the fragments penetrate deeper into the target interior, the number of fragments increasing, turning into a cascade of heavy metal. This is a highly effective means of neutralizing armoured targets on the ground and in the air. FAP cartridges are designed for air-to-ground and air-to-air engagements. Owing to their special design – and unlike conventional aircraft ammunition – FAP cartridges never result in ricochets as the projectile core disintegrates upon impact. The FAP multi-purpose round is available in calibre 20 mm x 102, 25 mm x 137 and 27 mm x 145.

The deal marks the first expansion of the RNM joint venture beyond its $60m artillery shell forging plant in Maryborough, Queensland.

Rheinmetall Waffe Munitions is a global multinational weapons manufacturer, while Australian-owned NIOA is the leading supplier of weapons and munitions to the Australian Defence Force.

The new Load Assemble Pack (LAP) line at Benalla will be capable of producing 20mm to 35mm medium-calibre ammunition.

Rheinmetall Waffe Munitions aims to serve as a secondary source supplier to the US government for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter programme.

Werner Kraemer, chairman of the board of directors at RNM, said that with the Maryborough project on track, it was time to expand the footprint and capabilities of the joint venture company in Australia.

"We are totally committed to this joint venture and the Australian market. By committing to develop this medium-calibre production capability here in Australia, we will not only create local jobs and build a supply chain, we will also be developing a proven and sustainable export market," Mr Kraemer said.

NIOA managing director Robert Nioa noted that the Benalla project would enable development of a true sovereign capability in medium-calibre munitions in Australia.

"The establishment of this new capability at Benalla is a first for Australian industry. On the back of a 100 percent private sector investment, we will ensure that future munitions supplied to the ADF will be made right here in Australia," Mr Nioa said.

The line is scheduled to be installed in the first half of 2021 and be at full production by September that year.
http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2020/march/6091-rheinmetall-nioa-munitions-set-to-produce-and-export-medium-calibre-ammunition-for-us-joint-strike-fighter-programme.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/03/2020 | 09:00 uur
COVID-19 Halts F-35 Flight Testing Until Further Notice

https://www.airforcemag.com/covid-19-halts-f-35-flight-testing-until-further-notice/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/03/2020 | 09:55 uur
#Verteidigungsministerium : #Eurofighter und #F-18-Jets sollen offenbar #Bundeswehr-Tornados ersetzen

https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/verteidigungsministerium-eurofighter-und-f-18-jets-sollen-offenbar-bundeswehr-tornados-ersetzen/25683788.html?share=twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/03/2020 | 10:10 uur
Citaat van: Handelsblatt op 26/03/2020 | 09:55 uur
#Verteidigungsministerium : #Eurofighter und #F-18-Jets sollen offenbar #Bundeswehr-Tornados ersetzen

https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/verteidigungsministerium-eurofighter-und-f-18-jets-sollen-offenbar-bundeswehr-tornados-ersetzen/25683788.html?share=twitter

De Duitse Tornado IDS/ECR vervanging blijft een spagaatsituatie  :(
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/03/2020 | 10:33 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 26/03/2020 | 10:10 uur
De Duitse Tornado IDS/ECR vervanging blijft een spagaatsituatie  :(

Met dank aan de Fransozen, het was immers al een uitgemaakte zaak als er geen FCAS dreigementen waren, dan hadden de Duitsers simpelweg voor de F35A gekozen. De volgende Duitse uitdaging wordt: de laatste gebruiker op deze aardkloot van nieuwe SH (tenzij India nog verrassend uit de hoek komt).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/03/2020 | 10:39 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/03/2020 | 10:33 uur
De volgende Duitse uitdaging wordt: de laatste gebruiker op deze aardkloot van nieuwe SH (tenzij India nog verrassend uit de hoek komt).

Inderdaad. Tenzij Finland en/of India de Super Hornet (SH) kiest, dan is Duitsland de laatste klant van nieuwe exemplaren. De huidige SH gebruikers (USN, RAAF en binnenkort Koeweit) vormen al een select gezelschap.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 26/03/2020 | 15:05 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 26/03/2020 | 10:10 uur
De Duitse Tornado IDS/ECR vervanging blijft een spagaatsituatie  :(

Gezien de huidige crisis vwb Corona is de F35 een goede optie die is al klaar voor gebruik laten we maar zeggen. Kan dat geld die nodig is voor de research in vliegtuigen en infra gestoken worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/03/2020 | 15:12 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 26/03/2020 | 15:05 uur
Gezien de huidige crisis vwb Corona is de F35 een goede optie die is al klaar voor gebruik laten we maar zeggen. Kan dat geld die nodig is voor de research in vliegtuigen en infra gestoken worden.

Het is dat de Franse partner dwars ligt. Zouden zij instemmen met de F-35A als vervanger van alleen de Tornado IDS/ECR, dan zou het voor Duitsland een stuk gemakkelijker worden. SCAF/FCAS is immers de vervanger van de Rafale en de Typhoon.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/03/2020 | 16:21 uur
Gripen E/F shifts focus from flight to sensor tests

https://www.janes.com/article/95118/gripen-e-f-shifts-focus-from-flight-to-sensor-tests

(https://www.janes.com/images/assets/118/95118/p1645631_main.jpg)
Seen at its rollout in 2017, the Gripen E is now moving into testing of its tactical mission systems ahead of delivery to the Swedish and Brazilian air forces. Source: Jane's/Gareth Jennings
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/03/2020 | 10:12 uur
Germany to Buy 45 Boeing F-18s, 90 Eurofighters to Replace Tornados

BERLIN --- From 2025, the Bundeswehr's aging Tornado fleet will be replaced by up to 90 additional Eurofighter jets and 45 F-18 fighter planes from the US manufacturer Boeing, Handelsblatt and other German media reported today, adding that the F-18 will be procured for both electronic warfare and nuclear strike missions.

The internal plan prepared by the Bundeswehr has already been discussed with industry, according to the dpa news agency, but Defense Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer (CDU) has yet to approve the plan.

If approved, Handelsblatt reported, Germany would buy 30 F-18E/F Super Hornets to replace the Tornado in the nuclear strike mission, as modifying a US fighter would be faster and simpler than modifying the Eurofighter, assuming the US government would accept.

In addition, Germany would also buy 15 EA-18G Growler electronic attack aircraft to replace the Tornado ECR variant.

Additional Eurofighters would take on the other missions now carried out by the Tornado fleet, mainly reconnaissance and ground attack. The relatively large number of at least 78 additional Eurofighters -- but possibly over 90 – will be attained because additional new aircraft will also be bought as replacements for older Tranche 1 Eurofighters.

The Bundeswehr currently operates a total of 234 combat aircraft, including 141 Eurofighters from Airbus and 93 Tornado jets built by the European Panavia consortium. The Tornado, which was launched almost 40 years ago, is intended for air attack, tactical reconnaissance and electronic warfare – as well as for nuclear strike using American-supplied gravity nuclear bombs.

There has been a long controversy about the Tornado's successor, which involves a double-digit billion euro amount over the years. The plan now being negotiated is intended to reconcile security policy requirements with industrial policy, which among other things involves strong Bavarian interests. The Airbus armaments division has its headquarters in Bavaria, Eurofighters are finally assembled in Manching. Either way - a future federal government will only make the final decision on the timeline.

The project is also politically difficult because of the "special role" of the Tornado: NATO's nuclear deterrent concept provides that allies have access to US nuclear weapons in the event of war, i.e. they must be able to carry the bombs to their destination. Officially never confirmed, but a kind of open secret: 20 thermonuclear B61 gravity bombs from the US armed forces are to be stored in Büchel air base, in the Eifel region, can be fitted to the German Tornados in case of war.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/210224/germany-to-buy-45-boeing-f_18s%2C-90-eurofighters-to-replace-tornados%3A-media.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/03/2020 | 10:15 uur
Gripen F Fighter Production Under way

Saab has performed the first metal cut for the two-seater fighter aircraft Gripen F, marking an important milestone in the programme.

Gripen F is under development for the Brazilian Air Force (FAB) and shares the same advanced design and features as Gripen E, but with seat, displays and controls for a second crew member. Gripen F has both a training mode for tuition of one crew member and a mode whereby the two crew members can share the workload with different display settings.

The first part was manufactured recently at Saab's facilities in Linköping and is for the air duct section, just behind the cockpit of the aircraft.

"This milestone is important for the Gripen project because it demonstrates that the development phase is proceeding properly. This signals the beginning of the production of the two-seater aircraft, Gripen F, which is much anticipated by the Brazilian Air Force," says Colonel Renato Leite, head of the Monitoring and Control Group (GAC-Saab) at the Brazilian Air Force.

The joint industrial programme on Gripen F is between Saab and the Brazilian partner companies Embraer, AEL Sistemas, Akaer and Atech. Currently, approximately 400 engineers are working with the development of Gripen F, mainly at Gripen Design and Development Network (GDDN) at the Embraer plant in Gavião Peixoto, São Paulo State, Brazil. Manufacturing will take place both in Sweden and in Brazil.

"Very effective teamwork among many dedicated people, both in Sweden and in Brazil, paved the way for this milestone on this new version of Gripen. These kinds of milestones are special moments due to their rarity and that feels great," says Jonas Hjelm, head of Saab business area Aeronautics.

Brazil has ordered 28 Gripen E fighters that will be delivered to Brazil starting from 2021 and eight Gripen F fighters, starting from 2023.

Gripen F is also being offered by Saab to Finland for their fighter replacement programme.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/210223/saab-kicks-off-gripen-f-production-with-first-metal-cut.html

https://saab.com/gripen/news/blog/gripen-blog/2020/first-metal-cut-for-gripen-f-flags-off-production/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/03/2020 | 10:28 uur
Citaat van: defense-aerospace.com op 27/03/2020 | 10:12 uur
Germany to Buy 45 Boeing F-18s, 90 Eurofighters to Replace Tornados

.../...

If approved, Handelsblatt reported, Germany would buy 30 F-18E/F Super Hornets to replace the Tornado in the nuclear strike mission, as modifying a US fighter would be faster and simpler than modifying the Eurofighter, assuming the US government would accept.

In addition, Germany would also buy 15 EA-18G Growler electronic attack aircraft to replace the Tornado ECR variant.

.../...

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/210224/germany-to-buy-45-boeing-f_18s%2C-90-eurofighters-to-replace-tornados%3A-media.html

De Super Hornet B61-12 compatible maken zal waarschijnlijk sneller gaan dan de Typhoon B61-12 compatible maken, maar het gaat Duitsland hoe dan ook extra geld kosten.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/03/2020 | 10:40 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/03/2020 | 10:28 uur
De Super Hornet B61-12 compatible maken zal waarschijnlijk sneller gaan dan de Typhoon B61-12 compatible maken, maar het gaat Duitsland hoe dan ook extra geld kosten.

idd.
aanschaf tbv Tornado vervanging :
30 stuks SH E/F-model
15 stuks SH G-model Growler als ECR
78-90 stuks Eurofighters als vervanging van tranche 1 toestellen, tbv verkenningstaken en Ground Attack

dus eigenlijk gebruik SH :
30 stuks ivm de B61
15 stuks als daadwerkelijke ECR

Maar zo wel een goedkoopste en verkleinde uitvoering/capaciteit tov hun huidige aantal tornado's
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 27/03/2020 | 10:46 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 27/03/2020 | 10:40 uur
Maar zo wel een goedkoopste en verkleinde uitvoering/capaciteit tov hun huidige aantal tornado's

Was wel te verwachten denk ik.
Zeker met het ook op een toekomstig Duits-Frans gevechtstoestel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/03/2020 | 10:51 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 27/03/2020 | 10:40 uur
dus eigenlijk gebruik SH :
30 stuks ivm de B61
15 stuks als daadwerkelijke ECR

De Growler kan de Electronic Attack missie perfect overnemen van de Tornado ECR. De SEAD taak werd al primair door de ECR en secundair door de Tornado IDS gedaan. Naast de Growler kan ook de Super Hornet de SEAD taak uitvoeren.

Zoals al in het artikel staat, is het afwachten of de VS instemt met het dual-capable maken van de Super Hornet. Wat als de VS niet instemt en Duitsland toch heel graag de kerntaak behoudt?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/03/2020 | 10:57 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/03/2020 | 10:51 uur
Wat als de VS niet instemt en Duitsland toch heel graag de kerntaak behoudt?

Dan zijn veel Duitsers blij of men kiest voor een Franse weg.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/03/2020 | 11:03 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/03/2020 | 10:57 uur
Dan hebben veel Duitsers blij of men kiest voor een Franse weg.

Duitse Rafale F4 met Franse kernwapens  :angel:  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/03/2020 | 11:12 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/03/2020 | 11:03 uur
Duitse Rafale F4 met Franse kernwapens  :angel:  ;D

Daar zat ik dus ook aan te denken, de Fransen zullen dit wel willen.
Of dat de Duitsers toestellen van de Fransen leasen, maar ....

Ik denk niet dat de VS hier blij over zullen zijn.
Tevens hun B61 zullen dan terug naar de VS moeten, Rafale is niet geschikt voor de B61 en zal dat ook niet worden. De VS zal hier nooit goedkeuring voor geven.

Door Franse kernwapens in Duitse dienst zal de invloed van de VS sterk afnemen op dit gebied. Zal niet gebeuren.
 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 27/03/2020 | 12:35 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/03/2020 | 11:03 uur
Duitse Rafale F4 met Franse kernwapens  :angel:  ;D

Zal niet gaan meerdere verdragen op gebied verspeiding kernwapens verbieden dit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 27/03/2020 | 13:37 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 27/03/2020 | 12:35 uur
Zal niet gaan meerdere verdragen op gebied verspeiding kernwapens verbieden dit.
Het is in dat geval toch een herschikking van middelen niet een verspreiding.
Kwestie van interpretatie denk ik.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/03/2020 | 13:56 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 27/03/2020 | 13:37 uur
Het is in dat geval toch een herschikking van middelen niet een verspreiding.
Kwestie van interpretatie denk ik.

Linksom of rechtsom, dat punt gaan we tzt bereiken, al stelt de aanschaf van de SH deze discussie een paar decennia uit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/03/2020 | 15:00 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/03/2020 | 13:56 uur
Linksom of rechtsom, dat punt gaan we tzt bereiken, al stelt de aanschaf van de SH deze discussie een paar decennia uit.

Met een aanschaf van de F-35A was dit niet een probleem geweest, de beste oplossing voor de Duitsers, de ECR vervanging, B61, toekomst gericht, toestel reeds in productie en leverbaar, Gelijkheid met buurlanden.
 
Tja.......alleen maar een Frans probleem ....  :hrmph: .... de rest alleen maar voordelen. .... gemiste kans !
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 27/03/2020 | 17:14 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 27/03/2020 | 13:37 uur
Het is in dat geval toch een herschikking van middelen niet een verspreiding.
Kwestie van interpretatie denk ik.
Blijft idd punt van discussie, de VS zou dan kunnen zeggen wij hebben verminderd bij terugtrekking, de Fransen daar in tegen gaan uitbreiden als ze D gaan voorzien van paraplu. Blijven ze echter bij de B61 veranderd er weinig, maar is het voor de Duitsers niet eenvoudiger zich bij GB aan te sluiten weet niet welk toestel hun nu gebruiken?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/03/2020 | 17:34 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 27/03/2020 | 17:14 uur
Blijft idd punt van discussie, de VS zou dan kunnen zeggen wij hebben verminderd bij terugtrekking, de Fransen daar in tegen gaan uitbreiden als ze D gaan voorzien van paraplu. Blijven ze echter bij de B61 veranderd er weinig, maar is het voor de Duitsers niet eenvoudiger zich bij GB aan te sluiten weet niet welk toestel hun nu gebruiken?

De Tornado GR.1/4 van de RAF was nuclear capable en de Britten hadden een tactisch kernwapen van eigen ontwerp. Op dit moment hebben de fast jets van de RAF die taak niet meer.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 30/03/2020 | 09:08 uur
Japan Favors Home-Grown Design for Next-Generation Fighter After Rejecting Foreign Plans

Japan wants to develop a stealth fighter domestically, rejecting designs from Lockheed Martin Corp and Boeing Co in the United States and Britain's BAE Systems PLC, three sources with knowledge of the program told Reuters.

That would put Japan's leading defense contractor, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, in the lead for a military contract worth more than $40 billion. The company has not submitted a design for the next-generation fighter, but developed Japan's stealth fighter technology demonstrator, the X-2, in 2016.

"Japan's stealth designs have performed well in tests so far," said one of the sources, who has knowledge of discussion about the new proposed plane, referred to as the F-3 or F-X.

A spokesman for Mitsubishi Heavy said the company would work with the government on whatever policy it decided to follow.

"We understand the Japanese government will lead the development program," a Mitsubishi Heavy spokesman said.

Japan's Air Self Defense Force flies about 200 Boeing F-15 jets and is replacing squadrons of decades-old F-4 fighters with Lockheed Martin F-35s. The F-3 will succeed the F-2, a derivative of the F-16 Fighting Falcon jointly developed by Mitsubishi Heavy and Lockheed Martin more than two decades ago.

Proposals from Lockheed, Boeing and BAE "were judged not to have met our needs," said an official at the Japanese defense ministry's Acquisition, Technology & Logistics Agency (ATLA). "No decision has yet been reached on the airframe," he added.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/210256/japan-to-forgo-foreign-help%2C-will-build-stealth-fighter-to-its-own-design.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 30/03/2020 | 14:16 uur
Een hele japanse dure keuze.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/03/2020 | 14:28 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 30/03/2020 | 14:16 uur
Een hele japanse dure keuze.

Dat is het zeker. Helemaal aangezien de door 'F-3' te vervangen F-2 taken heeft (o.a. anti-shipping) die gemakkelijk door de F-35 kunnen worden uitgevoerd.

Het komt op mij over alsof het wiel opnieuw moet worden uitgevonden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 30/03/2020 | 15:47 uur
Doen ze altijd met alles. Kijk naar hun auto's, software, luchtvaart.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/03/2020 | 13:24 uur
First Metal Cut For Gripen F Flags off Production

26 March 2020

Saab recently entered another important milestone in the Gripen E/F programme with the first metal cut of the two-seater F version at Saab's facilities in Linköping.

"This milestone is important for the Gripen project because it demonstrates that the development phase is proceeding properly. This signals the beginning of the production of the two-seater aircraft, Gripen F, which is much anticipated by the Brazilian Air Force," says Colonel Renato Leite, head of the Monitoring and Control Group (GAC-Saab) at the Brazilian Air Force.

The current Gripen F development is for the Brazilian Air Force (FAB). The joint industrial programme on Gripen F is between Saab and Brazilian partner companies Embraer, AEL Sistemas, Akaer and Atech. Currently, approximately 400 engineers are working on the development of Gripen F, mainly at Gripen Design and Development Network (GDDN) at the Embraer plant in Gavião Peixoto, São Paulo State, Brazil.

"The effective teamwork from both Sweden and Brazil paved the way for this milestone on this new version of Gripen. These kind of milestones are special moments due to their rarity and that feels great," says Jonas Hjelm, head of Saab business area Aeronautics.

Gripen F has the same advanced design as Gripen E, except that it has seat, displays, and controls for a second crew member or a pilot as well. Gripen F can be used both for training new pilots and co-piloting a mission with a second crew member.

Brazil had finalised a deal for 28 Gripen E fighters and eight Gripen F fighters in 2015. The delivery for Gripen Es will begin in 2021 while that for Gripen Fs will start in 2023.

https://saab.com/gripen/news/blog/gripen-blog/2020/first-metal-cut-for-gripen-f-flags-off-production/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/04/2020 | 11:23 uur
The Future of NATO Airpower – How are Future Capability Plans within the Alliance Diverging and how can Interoperability be Maintained?

https://wavellroom.com/2020/03/31/the-future-of-nato-airpower-how-are-future-capability-plans-within-the-alliance-diverging-and-how-can-interoperability-be-maintained/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/04/2020 | 11:26 uur
Priority Test Programs Ramping Up After COVID-19 (o.a. F-35 en A-10)

https://www.airforcemag.com/priority-test-programs-ramping-up-after-covid-19/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 02/04/2020 | 12:05 uur
US orders 78 new F-35 combat aircraft

USN Naval Air Systems Command has placed an order worth $4.7 billion for 78 new F-35 Joint Strike Fighters from Lockheed Martin.

The fixed-price-incentive-firm-target, firm-fixed-price agreement was announced by the Department of Defense (DoD) on 31 March.

Of the 78 fighters, 48 will be F-35A models for the USAF whilst 14 F-35Bs will be delivered to the USMC. The USN will procure 16 F-35C aircraft.

Delivery of the combat aircraft is expected by March 2023, with work being carried out at sites across the US including California, Florida, Maryland and New Hampshire. Approximately 9% of the work will be carried out in the UK by BAE Systems at its manufacturing and assembly facility in Warton.

USAF and USN procurement funds for FY2020 are financing the programme

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/air-warfare/us-orders-78-new-f-35-combat-aircraft/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/04/2020 | 08:11 uur
Contracts For April 2, 2020

Lockheed Martin Aeronautics, Ft. Worth, Texas, has been awarded a $512,004,418 firm-fixed-price contract for F-16 Block 70 production for the Republic of Bulgaria.  This contract value includes $4,185,516 of pre-priced options.  This contract provides for the production of eight F-16 Block 70 aircraft.  Work will be completed in Ft. Worth, Texas; and Greenville, South Carolina, and is expected to be completed by Jan. 31, 2027.  This contract award is 100% funded via foreign military sales (FMS) to the Republic of Bulgaria and is the result of a Bulgarian country-conducted competition.  FMS funds in the amount of $507,818,902 are being obligated at the time of award.  The Air Force Life Cycle Management Center, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, is the contracting activity (FA8615-20-C-6051).

https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contracts/Contract/Article/2135175/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/04/2020 | 08:48 uur
Northrop Grumman to start AARGM-ER production for US Navy

By Garrett Reim1 April 2020

The US Navy (USN) intends to award a sole source contract to Northrop Grumman to start production of the Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile – Extended Range (AARGM-ER).

The quantity of the forthcoming order was not disclosed, but would be part of low rate initial production lot one, says the service in a notice posted online on 31 March.

AARGM-ER is an air-launched weapon intended to destroy enemy air defence systems, such as radar-guided surface-to-air missile batteries. It is an extended range version of the service's current AARGM weapon. Its exact reach is not disclosed, but it is considered a standoff weapon, meaning it should be able to out-range an adversary's air defence missiles.

The new missile is to be carried by the USN's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet fighter and EA-18G Growler electronic attack aircraft. It is eventually to be qualified for the internal weapons carriage on the Lockheed Martin F-35C Lightning II.

The missile uses the same sensors, electronics and warheads as its predecessor, the AARGM. However, differences include a larger rocket engine and tail upgrades to extend its range and improve its manoeuvrability. The missile also has its mid-body wings removed and replaced with a short strake along its length.

Northrop Grumman started AARGM-ER engineering and manufacturing work 12 months ago.

In January 2020, the US Air Force said it was interested in modifying AARGM-ER into its own Stand-in Attack Weapon. That missile would be fitted into the service's F-35A and would also be aimed at enemy air defences.

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Source: Northrop Grumman

Northrop Grumman AARGM-ER fit check in F-35

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/northrop-grumman-to-start-aargm-er-production-for-us-navy/137676.article
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/04/2020 | 09:13 uur
MiG-31BSM Foxhound vs. F-22 Raptor: Which Heavyweight Jet Would Reign Supreme in Air to Air Combat?

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/mig-31bsm-foxhound-vs-f-22-raptor-which-heavyweight-jet-would-reign-supreme-in-air-to-air-combat #F-22 #MiG-31 #MiG-31BM #MiG-31BSM #MiG-31vs.F-22 #F-22vs.MiG-31 #RussianAirForce #USAirForce #RussianAirDefenceForces
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/04/2020 | 09:57 uur
Citaat van: jurrien Military Watch Magazine op 08/04/2020 | 09:13 uur
MiG-31BSM Foxhound vs. F-22 Raptor: Which Heavyweight Jet Would Reign Supreme in Air to Air Combat?

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/mig-31bsm-foxhound-vs-f-22-raptor-which-heavyweight-jet-would-reign-supreme-in-air-to-air-combat #F-22 #MiG-31 #MiG-31BM #MiG-31BSM #MiG-31vs.F-22 #F-22vs.MiG-31 #RussianAirForce #USAirForce #RussianAirDefenceForces

Over appels en peren gesproken  ;D De MiG-31 is een onderschepper (interceptor) en de F-22 is puur air superiority.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 08/04/2020 | 15:00 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/04/2020 | 09:57 uur
Over appels en peren gesproken  ;D De MiG-31 is een onderschepper (interceptor) en de F-22 is puur air superiority.

Precies de toestellen die elkaar dus zouden ontmoeten. Vandaar
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/04/2020 | 17:36 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 08/04/2020 | 15:00 uur
Precies de toestellen die elkaar dus zouden ontmoeten. Vandaar

Voor het onderscheppen van een B-52 is de MIG-31 goed. Het wordt een ander verhaal als deze de F-22 moet onderscheppen. Hetzelfde goldt voor de Tornado F.3. Perfect als onderschepper, maar nou niet het beste gereedschap voor luchtoverwicht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 08/04/2020 | 17:59 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/04/2020 | 17:36 uur
Voor het onderscheppen van een B-52 is de MIG-31 goed. Het wordt een ander verhaal als deze de F-22 moet onderscheppen. Hetzelfde goldt voor de Tornado F.3. Perfect als onderschepper, maar nou niet het beste gereedschap voor luchtoverwicht.

Op een vijandelijke binnendringing van je luchtruim worden interceptors gestuurd wegens de snelheid, dat zal 9 van de 10 keer het geval zijn.
Hoe denk je dat het dan gaat? Oh fuck, een F-22.. wacht even, wij vliegen nu terug en dan sturen we het toestel wat het best tegen je gematcht is?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/04/2020 | 18:38 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 08/04/2020 | 17:59 uur
Op een vijandelijke binnendringing van je luchtruim worden interceptors gestuurd wegens de snelheid, dat zal 9 van de 10 keer het geval zijn.
Hoe denk je dat het dan gaat? Oh fuck, een F-22.. wacht even, wij vliegen nu terug en dan sturen we het toestel wat het best tegen je gematcht is?

Nee, zo werkt dat inderdaad niet. Daar heb je gelijk in.

De punten volgens het artikel waarom de MiG-31 de betere is, vind ik bedenkelijk. Het hebben over air to air combat en dan met een hypersonische ballistische raket aankomen. Of over icy runways beginnen, terwijl de F-22 ondere alle omstandigheden vanaf Elmendorf AFB, Alaska opereert (ook als onderschepper).

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/04/2020 | 20:10 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 08/04/2020 | 17:59 uur
Op een vijandelijke binnendringing van je luchtruim worden interceptors gestuurd wegens de snelheid, dat zal 9 van de 10 keer het geval zijn.
Hoe denk je dat het dan gaat? Oh fuck, een F-22.. wacht even, wij vliegen nu terug en dan sturen we het toestel wat het best tegen je gematcht is?

Onduidelijk is wat mij betreft de claim dat de radar van deze MIG-31 in staat is om stealth doelen te detecteren op grote afstand, indien dit feitelijk juist is, net als de claim omtrent hun R-37 (AAM) met een bereik van 400KM en een snelheid van mach 6 dan levert dit een interessante uitdaging voor elke fighter.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 08/04/2020 | 20:22 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/04/2020 | 20:10 uur
Onduidelijk is wat mij betreft de claim dat de radar van deze MIG-31 in staat is om stealth doelen te detecteren op grote afstand, indien dit feitelijk juist is, net als de claim omtrent hun R-37 (AAM) met een bereik van 400KM en een snelheid van mach 6 dan levert dit een interessante uitdaging voor elke fighter.

zal wel meevallen, heb het idee dat op internet en openbare bronnen al het Russische materiaal afgedaan wordt in topstaat met ultieme uitrusting. De werkelijkheid zal anders in elkaar steken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/04/2020 | 21:07 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 08/04/2020 | 20:22 uur
zal wel meevallen, heb het idee dat op internet en openbare bronnen al het Russische materiaal afgedaan wordt in topstaat met ultieme uitrusting. De werkelijkheid zal anders in elkaar steken.

Dat vermoeden heb ik ook.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/04/2020 | 13:44 uur
Maiden flight for Qatari F-15QA

Gareth Jennings, London - Jane's Defence Weekly
14 April 2020

The first of 36 Boeing F-15QA Advanced Eagle combat aircraft for Qatar has made its maiden flight out of Boeing's St Louis production facility in Missouri.

The milestone was announced by the Qatari Ministry of Defence (MoD) on 14 April.

The F-15QA is the Qatari-specific variant of the Advanced Eagle which, along with the F-15SA for Saudi Arabia and F-15EX for the US Air Force, improves on earlier models of the Eagle in that it features a number of hardware and software enhancements over earlier variant aircraft.

Specifically, these comprise two additional underwing weapons stations (increasing the number from 9 to 11); the option of a large-area display cockpit (Saudi Arabia has not taken up this option); fly-by-wire controls; the Raytheon AN/APG-82(V)1 or AN/APG-63(V)3 active electronically scanned array radar; General Electric GE F-110-129 engines; digital joint helmet-mounted cueing systems in both cockpits; and a digital electronic warfare system; as well as other improvements.

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A screenshot of a Qatari MoD video showing the conclusion of the maiden flight of the first F-15QA for Qatar. Source: Qatari MoD via Twitter

https://www.janes.com/article/95484/maiden-flight-for-qatari-f-15qa
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/04/2020 | 13:43 uur
Boeing's F-15 Qatar Advanced Jet Completes Successful First Flight

90-minute flight demonstrates new fighter's unmatched maneuverability and speed

ST. LOUIS, April 14, 2020 – Boeing [NYSE: BA] successfully completed the first flight of the F-15QA fighter, the most advanced version of the jet ever manufactured. Developed for the Qatar Emiri Air Force (QEAF), the jet demonstrated its next-generation capabilities during its 90-minute mission. The flight took off and landed from Lambert International Airport in St. Louis.

"We are very proud of this accomplishment and looking forward with great excitement to the continued successes of this program," said Col. Ahmed Al Mansoori, commander, QEAF F-15 Wing. "This successful first flight is an important milestone that brings our squadrons one step closer to flying this incredible aircraft over the skies of Qatar."         

Boeing's flight test team, led by Chief Test Pilot Matt Giese, implemented a precise mission checklist to test the multirole aircraft's capabilities. The aircraft demonstrated its maneuverability during its vertical "Viking" takeoff and by pulling nine Gs, or nine times the force of earth's gravity, in its subsequent maneuvering in the test airspace. Checks of systems such as avionics and radar were also successful. A test team monitoring the data in real time confirmed the aircraft performed as planned.

"This successful first flight is an important step in providing the QEAF an aircraft with best-in-class range and payload," said Prat Kumar, Boeing vice president and F-15 program manager. "The advanced F-15QA not only offers game changing capabilities but is also built using advanced manufacturing processes which make the jet more efficient to manufacture. In the field, the F-15 costs half the cost per flight hour of similar fighter aircraft and delivers far more payload at far greater ranges. That's success for the warfighter."

The U.S. Department of Defense awarded Boeing a $6.2 billion contract in 2017 to manufacture 36 F-15 fighter jets for the QEAF. Boeing will begin delivering aircraft to the customer in 2021. In addition, Boeing was awarded a U.S. Air Force foreign military sale contract in 2019 for F-15QA aircrew and maintenance training for the QEAF.

The F-15QA brings to its operators next-generation technologies such as fly-by-wire flight controls, digital cockpit; modernized sensors, radar, and electronic warfare capabilities; and the world's fastest mission computer. Increases in reliability, sustainability and maintainability allow defense operators to affordably remain ahead of current and evolving threats.

Through investments in the F-15QA platform and partnership with the U.S. Air Force, Boeing is now preparing to build a domestic variant of the advanced fighter, the F-15EX. F-15EX became a program of record for the Air Force when the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal year 2020 was signed on Dec. 30, 2019. In January, the Air Force issued public notifications of its intent to award sole-source a contract to Boeing for eight jets. Future plans call for as many as 144 aircraft.

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Apr 14, 2020
The F-15QA aircraft demonstrates its maneuverability with a vertical "Viking" takeoff during its first flight on April 13, 2020. (Boeing Photo: Eric Shindelbower)

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2020-04-13-Boeings-F-15-Qatar-Advanced-Jet-Completes-Successful-First-Flight#assets_20295_130661-117
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/04/2020 | 08:19 uur
Air Force makes final basing decision for next two Air National Guard F-35A bases

Secretary of the Air Force Public Affairs / Published April 15, 2020

WASHINGTON (AFNS) --
The Department of the Air Force selected Truax Field, Wisconsin, and Dannelly Field, Alabama, for the next two Air National Guard F-35A Lightning II locations.

F-35As will begin to replace many of the older fourth-generation aircraft, but the Air Force will continue to fly a mix of fifth and fourth-generation fighters into the 2040s. This will allow the Air Force to maintain enough fighters to meet combatant commander requirements, provide required training, and allow a reasonable and uninterrupted deployment tempo for the force.

"The Department of the Air Force selected the 115th Fighter Wing and the 187th Fighter Wing as the next Air National Guard locations to receive the F-35A," said Secretary of the Air Force Barbara M. Barrett. "Putting F-35s at these two bases continues our transition into the next generation of air superiority."

Before finalizing the basing decisions, the Air Force completed the required environmental analysis, which began in early 2018.

The Air Force expects the F-35As to begin arriving at Truax and Dannelly Fields in 2023.

Currently, three active duty operational locations—Hill Air Force Base, Utah; RAF Lakenheath, United Kingdom; and Eielson AFB, Alaska, one other Air National Guard location, Burlington Air Guard Station, Vermont.

One Air Force Reserve location, Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth, Texas, has been selected to host F-35A aircraft, pending the results of an environmental study.

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F-16 Fighting Falcons from Madison, Wis. fly alongside an F-35 Lightning II. The Department of the Air Force selected Truax Field, Wis., and Dannelly Field, Ala., for the next two Air National Guard F-35A Lightning II locations.(U.S. Air Force photo courtesy of Scott Wolff)

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2151179/air-force-makes-final-basing-decision-for-next-two-air-national-guard-f-35a-bas/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/04/2020 | 08:27 uur
A-10 Will Remain in Fleet Through 2040s Despite Planned Cuts

https://www.airforcemag.com/a-10-will-remain-in-fleet-through-2040s-despite-planned-cuts/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/04/2020 | 08:41 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 20/04/2020 | 08:27 uur
A-10 Will Remain in Fleet Through 2040s Despite Planned Cuts

https://www.airforcemag.com/a-10-will-remain-in-fleet-through-2040s-despite-planned-cuts/

Dikke duim ..... :big-smile:    een monster van een toestel, met een uitstekende staat van dienst !

wel jammer, dat er toch gesneden wordt in de aantallen  :'(

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/04/2020 | 08:49 uur
Germany to Order 45 Fighter Jets From Boeing, Report Says (Growlers zijn goed, maar is de Super Hornet wel een goede keuze?)

By Iain Rogers
April 19, 2020, 5:19 PM GMT+2 Updated on April 19, 2020, 11:46 PM GMT+2

Germany will order 45 fighter aircraft from Boeing Co. to replace the Luftwaffe's aging Tornado jets, Der Spiegel magazine reported on Sunday.

Defense Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer emailed her U.S. counterpart Mark Esper on Thursday to inform him of the decision, the magazine said, without identifying the source of its information. Germany will order 30 F/A-18 Super Hornets and 15 EA-18G Growlers, the report added.

The German ministry couldn't immediately be reached outside regular business hours. The Pentagon in Washington declined to comment.

"While we continue to await an official announcement, we remain committed to working in support of both the German and U.S. governments on this important procurement," a spokesman for Chicago-based Boeing wrote in an email. A combination of Hornets and Growlers "is ideally suited to meet Germany's strike fighter and electronic warfare aircraft requirements."

Kramp-Karrenbauer's actions may upset the Social Democrats, the junior partners in Chancellor Angela Merkel's ruling coalition, as she didn't inform them before making her decision, Der Spiegel said.

Kramp-Karrenbauer's predecessor, Ursula von der Leyen, had offered a compromise to the SPD under which Germany would buy a combination of U.S. fighters and the Eurofighter Typhoon manufactured by Airbus SE, according to Der Spiegel.

— With assistance by Daniel Flatley, Kevin Miller, and Julie Johnsson

(Updates with Boeing comment in fourth paragraph)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-19/germany-to-order-45-fighter-aircraft-from-boeing-report-says

Oorspronkelijke artikel van Der Spiegel.

Kramp-Karrenbauer sagt Washington Kauf von US-Kampfjets zu

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundeswehr-annegret-kramp-karrenbauer-sagt-washington-kauf-von-us-kampfjets-zu-a-c1b5f289-c6f0-4899-813f-f203e840ec92
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 20/04/2020 | 09:47 uur
CitaatGermany to Order 45 Fighter Jets From Boeing, Report Says (Growlers zijn goed, maar is de Super Hornet wel een goede keuze?)
Dat was mijn gedachte ook bij het lezen van dit bericht.
Is die Super Hornet een soort tussen oplossing? Waarom kiezen de Duitsers niet voor de F-35? Zou dan het de ontwikkeling van een Frans-Duitse 5de generatie toestel in gevaar komen, niet meer nodig zijn?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/04/2020 | 09:53 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 20/04/2020 | 09:47 uur
Dat was mijn gedachte ook bij het lezen van dit bericht.
Is die Super Hornet een soort tussen oplossing? Waarom kiezen de Duitsers niet voor de F-35? Zou dan het de ontwikkeling van een Frans-Duitse 5de generatie toestel in gevaar komen, niet meer nodig zijn?

Kwam het volgende tegen op f-16.net

CitaatTyphoon Targets the Future [Six page PDF of article attached below]
May 2020 Jamie Hunter & Jon Lake

"Eurofighter and its industry partners are making significant moves on future capability development. Jamie Hunter and Jon Lake examine what lies ahead for the Typhoon....

...Eurofighter vs F-35
Many believe an advanced Eurofighter variant will afford more useful and complementary elements to the Future Combat Air System (FCAS) now under development with France and Spain. The company has described an advanced Eurofighter as "a stepping stone to a European FCAS programme". By contrast, procurement of the F-35 would have threatened the continuation of the entire FCAS project and in particular would have put development of the central FCAS element, the NGF (Next Generation Fighter), in jeopardy.

Dirk Hoke, Chief Executive Officer of Airbus Defence and Space said that any decision to buy the F-35 would have killed off this new Franco-German European fighter: "As soon as Germany becomes an F-35 nation, all co-operation with France on combat jet issues will die." Jon Lake"..."

Source: AirForces Monthly Magazine May 2020 Issue 386

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=53254&sid=1daa57f346c3e6326564b92feaeb893e&start=285
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/04/2020 | 10:01 uur
Citaat"As soon as Germany becomes an F-35 nation, all co-operation with France on combat jet issues will die."

En dat is het probleem als Frankrijk er bij betrokken is. Frankrijk heeft maar 1 doel : Viva la France... en Macron zou hebben gezegd in Trump-stijl ; America is great, but we are greater.
   
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/04/2020 | 10:31 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 20/04/2020 | 09:47 uur
Dat was mijn gedachte ook bij het lezen van dit bericht.
Is die Super Hornet een soort tussen oplossing? Waarom kiezen de Duitsers niet voor de F-35? Zou dan het de ontwikkeling van een Frans-Duitse 5de generatie toestel in gevaar komen, niet meer nodig zijn?

De keuze voor de SH is wat mij betreft niet zo handig, het is slechts een keuze om de Fransozen binnenboord te houden bij het FCAS project, immers de SH is aanvaardbaar voor Parijs en de F35A (zelfs een F15 variant) niet.

Daarnaast zadelt men zich op met een logistiek probleem immers de kans is groot dat Duitsland de laatste nieuwe SH's krijgt voordat de productielijn definitief wordt gesloten (al zijn er nog een aantal landen waar deze kist meedingt in een vernieuwingsronde).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 20/04/2020 | 11:59 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 20/04/2020 | 09:47 uur
Dat was mijn gedachte ook bij het lezen van dit bericht.
Is die Super Hornet een soort tussen oplossing? Waarom kiezen de Duitsers niet voor de F-35? Zou dan het de ontwikkeling van een Frans-Duitse 5de generatie toestel in gevaar komen, niet meer nodig zijn?
Lijkt mij dat je juist ervaring kunt opdoen met een F35 om het gat naar een nieuw te ontwikkelen toestel te dichten.
Eer het nieuwe toestel operationeel is ben je 20 jaar verder.
Slechte tussenoplossing en zeer betreurenswaardig dat de Duitsers zich zo door de Fransen laten sturen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 20/04/2020 | 13:17 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 20/04/2020 | 11:59 uur
Lijkt mij dat je juist ervaring kunt opdoen met een F35 om het gat naar een nieuw te ontwikkelen toestel te dichten.
Eer het nieuwe toestel operationeel is ben je 20 jaar verder.
Slechte tussenoplossing en zeer betreurenswaardig dat de Duitsers zich zo door de Fransen laten sturen.

Kost de fransen iets op een ander vlak.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/04/2020 | 13:37 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 20/04/2020 | 13:17 uur
Kost de fransen iets op een ander vlak.

Hun grote voet in de EUropese industrie.
Invloed, macht, claim voor Franse industrie betrokkenheid.

Als ze hun grote voet overal tussen kunnen drukken, dan is die deur nooit dicht ... 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/04/2020 | 16:17 uur
CSB accelerates JSOW C-1 NEW integration on F-35

Robin Hughes, Gold Coast - Jane's Missiles & Rockets
19 April 2020

The F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) Configuration Steering Board (CSB) has approved an accelerated timeline to integrate a Joint Stand-Off Weapon (JSOW) C-1 full Network-Enabled Weapons (NEW) capability on the F-35 Lightning II platform.

Sanctioned in February, the CSB decision accelerates by approximately two years the JSOW C-1 NEW capability on the F-35, with funding already programmed to support the C-1 integration effort. NEW effectively enables a Moving Maritime Target (MMT) capability for the C-1.

A joint US Navy (USN)-led USN/US Air Force (USAF) programme, the Raytheon Missiles & Defence (RMD) AGM-154 JSOW is comprised of a family of 1,000 Ib-class, advanced glide munitions. The AGM-154C-1, along with the AGM-154C (JSOW Block IIIC), are the latest design JSOW production variants.

The AGM-154C incorporates the UK-developed BROACH (Bomb Royal Ordnance Augmented Charge) multi-stage warhead – consisting of a 100 kg (220 lb) penetrating shaped-charge in front of a 145 kg (320 lb) conventional follow-through warhead, an uncooled, long-wave imaging infrared (IIR) seeker with autonomous target acquisition algorithms for precision Stationary Land Target (SLT) engagements.

The AGM-154C-1 NEW variant adds a Rockwell Collins TacNet 1.5 dual-waveform (UHF and Link 16) Strike Common Weapon Datalink (SCWDL), enabling the weapon – which can interface with the USN/USAF Multifunctional Information Distribution System Joint Tactical Radio System (MIDS JTRS) – to be retargeted after launch, for Stationary Land Target (SLT)/Re-locatable Land Target (RLT) engagements. The JSOW C-1 weapon also incorporates a redesign of, and software modification to, the IIR seeker algorithm to support a network-enabled MMT engagement capability. The JSOW C Block III and C-1 variants have a stated range of 130 km (80.0 miles/70.0 n miles) at high altitude (40,000 ft), and 22 km (13.7 miles/11.9 n miles) at low altitude.

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A USN F-35C releases a JSOW C glide munition during operational test and integration on the platform at China Lake in 2019. Source: Raytheon Technologies

https://www.janes.com/article/95608/csb-accelerates-jsow-c-1-new-integration-on-f-35
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/04/2020 | 08:14 uur
Eielson welcomes F-35A Lightning II

By Airman 1st Class Aaron Guerrisky, 354th Fighter Wing Public Affairs / Published April 21, 2020

EIELSON AIR FORCE BASE, Alaska --
It was an historic day for Eielson as the base received its first two F-35A Lightning II fighter aircraft April 21, 2020.

With the arrival, Eielson is now Pacific Air Forces' first base to house the fifth-generation fighter aircraft.

"This first aircraft is a milestone," said Col. Benjamin Bishop, the 354th Fighter Wing commander. "Making the first aircraft arrival possible has been a long path, but it's also just the first step in a journey that will continue at Eielson Air Force Base for decades to come."

With a total of 54 F-35As scheduled to arrive by December 2021, Alaska will be the most concentrated state for combat-coded, fifth-generation fighter aircraft. The state will also continue to be a premiere training location as home to the Joint Pacific Alaska Range Complex's 75,000 square miles of airspace.

"When you station the F-35 at Eielson and you have the F-22 Raptor down at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson, working together in the JPARC with our 18th Aggressor Squadron and ground training assets, you have the perfect training field for the F-35 to develop," said Bishop.

Maj. Kathryn Damron, the 354th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron commander, knows what this aircraft arrival signifies not only for her squadron, but for the base as a whole.

"We get to establish what the standard looks like for PACAF's F-35s," said Damron. "It's a huge responsibility, and we don't take it lightly."

After months of preparation and support from units around Eielson, the recently reactivated 356th Fighter Squadron is now ready to begin the journey to full operational capability.

"We recognize that when you do something big, like bring in a new mission and stand up a combat capability in a wing, that everybody on the base has a part to play in it," said Lt. Col. James Christensen, the 356th Fighter Squadron commander.

Everybody is not limited to Eielson personnel, but also includes the surrounding communities and their support as well.

"We as Airmen and families are part of the greater Fairbanks North Star Borough community and part of the Alaska community," said Bishop. "To see the community come together to support this new mission is truly inspiring."

The arrival of the F-35 at Eielson turns a page in the history of airpower and in the history of the 354th Fighter Wing.

"We have a new mission," said Bishop. "It's here and we're going to grow that mission as we continue to invest in our people, families and community. We won't look back as we pioneer the airpower frontier."

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The first F-35A Lightning II fighter aircraft assigned to the 354th Fighter Wing lands at Eielson Air Force Base, April 21, 2020. A total of 54 F-35As will be stationed at Eielson AFB by the end of 2021, which will make Alaska the most concentrated state for combat-coded fifth-generation aircraft. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Zade Vadnais)

https://www.eielson.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2159198/eielson-welcomes-f-35a-lightning-ii/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/04/2020 | 13:04 uur
Analysis: Is electronic attack shaping Germany's fighter recap plans?

Gareth Jennings, London - Jane's Defence Weekly
22 April 2020

The Luftwaffe currently has three combat aircraft procurement requirements amounting to 138 new platforms to be delivered from the mid-2020s.

These three requirements comprise the Tornado replacement programme for 85 new aircraft, Project Quadriga for 38 new aircraft, and the Luftgestützte Wirkung im Elektromagnetischen Spektrum (luWES) electronic attack (EA) programme for 15 new aircraft.

With Project Quadriga devoted to acquiring new Eurofighters specifically, the Tornado replacement programme is being competed between the Eurofighter and the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet / EA-18G Growler. While luWES has yet to be formally launched it would likely be fulfilled by either the Growler or an Electronic Combat Reconnaissance (ECR) variant of the Eurofighter being proposed by Airbus.

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Seen here in Australian service and also fielded by the US Navy, the capabilities of the Growler electronic attack aircraft appear to be driving the Luftwaffe's combat aircraft procurement process. (Jane's / Gareth Jennings)

https://www.janes.com/article/95679/analysis-is-electronic-attack-shaping-germany-s-fighter-recap-plans
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/04/2020 | 13:58 uur
Final Decision on German Tornado Replacement Pushed Back to 2023  (....  :confused: :omg: :dead:  ...)

To avoid a direct confrontation with coalition partner SPD, German defense minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer on Wednesday told the Bundestag that a final decision on the replacement of Tornado fighters is not necessary before 2022 or 2023.

.../...

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/210776/final-decision-on-german-tornado-replacement-pushed-back-to-2023.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/04/2020 | 14:06 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 23/04/2020 | 13:58 uur
Final Decision on German Tornado Replacement Pushed Back to 2023  (....  :confused: :omg: :dead:  ...)

Nog even en dan moet de Super Hornet assemblagelijn speciaal voor Duitsland opnieuw worden opgestart, omdat andere landen deze niet kozen en Duitsland te lang wachtte :P
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 23/04/2020 | 14:53 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/04/2020 | 14:06 uur
Nog even en dan moet de Super Hornet assemblagelijn speciaal voor Duitsland opnieuw worden opgestart, omdat andere landen deze niet kozen en Duitsland te lang wachtte :P

Gaat Boeing die lijn heropenen als Duitsland straks in 2024 pas besluit de F-18 te kopen? Misschien moeten we niet raar staan te kijken dat straks door het trage besluit van de Duitsers ze geen andere keuze meer hebben dan de F-35.

Het gaat maar om 48 45 toestellen, ook niet een aantal dat echt schokkend veel is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/04/2020 | 15:12 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 23/04/2020 | 14:53 uur
Gaat Boeing die lijn heropenen als Duitsland straks in 2024 pas besluit de F-18 te kopen? Misschien moeten we niet raar staan te kijken dat straks door het trage besluit van de Duitsers ze geen andere keuze meer hebben dan de F-35.

Als blijkt dat het op dat laatste zou uitlopen en zij niet anders kunnen. Stuck between a rock and a hard place  ;D
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Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 23/04/2020 | 15:44 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/04/2020 | 15:12 uur
Als blijkt dat het op dat laatste zou uitlopen en zij niet anders kunnen. Stuck between a rock and a hard place  ;D

Die willen ook echt wel verkopen hoor. ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 23/04/2020 | 16:53 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/04/2020 | 14:06 uur
Nog even en dan moet de Super Hornet assemblagelijn speciaal voor Duitsland opnieuw worden opgestart, omdat andere landen deze niet kozen en Duitsland te lang wachtte :P

De Super Hornet is in Finland en Zwiterland toch nog in de race om de Hornet te vervangen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/04/2020 | 17:17 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 23/04/2020 | 16:53 uur
De Super Hornet is in Finland en Zwiterland toch nog in de race om de Hornet te vervangen?

Ja. (daarnaast zijn Canada en India nog potentiële klanten van dit type)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/04/2020 | 17:34 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 23/04/2020 | 16:53 uur
De Super Hornet is in Finland en Zwiterland toch nog in de race om de Hornet te vervangen?

Boeing biedt deze zelfs nu nog aan Canada aan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 23/04/2020 | 20:37 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 23/04/2020 | 17:34 uur
Boeing biedt deze zelfs nu nog aan Canada aan.

Persoonlijk denk ik dat Boeing  niet op de verkoop van Super  Hornet  moet rekenen gezien het feit dat Boeing nogal moeilijk deed toen Canada  Bomdardier subsidie voor de C Series.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/boeing-bombardier-trade-war-brewster-1.4308734

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSeries_dumping_petition_by_Boeing
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/04/2020 | 21:34 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 23/04/2020 | 20:37 uur
Persoonlijk denk ik dat Boeing  niet op de verkoop van Super  Hornet  moet rekenen gezien het feit dat Boeing nogal moeilijk deed toen Canada  Bomdardier subsidie voor de C Series.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/boeing-bombardier-trade-war-brewster-1.4308734

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSeries_dumping_petition_by_Boeing

Boeing maakt een kleine kans en toch doen ze mee.

https://www.boeing.ca/products-and-services/defense-space-security/f-a-18-super-hornet.page
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/04/2020 | 09:53 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/04/2020 | 10:27 uur
US Navy receives final Block 2 Super Hornet

Gareth Jennings, London - Jane's Navy International
24 April 2020

The US Navy (USN) has received into service its final Block 2 Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet combat aircraft, ahead of the retrofit and new-build Block 3 upgrade effort.

The USN announced on 24 April that the 608th (322 single-seat F/A-18Es and 286 twin-seat F/A-18Fs) retrofitted and new-build Block 2 Super Hornet to be delivered since 2005 was handed over on 17 April. Aircraft F/A-18E 322 is being delivered to Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 34, based at Naval Air Station Oceana in Virginia.

"Delivery of this last production Block 2 Super Hornet is [...] a stepping stone along the path to continuously evolving our platforms to meet the US Navy's ever-evolving needs," said Captain Jason Denney, Program Manager of the F/A-18 and EA-18 Program Office (PMA-265). "Block 3 delivery is just steps behind and the production lines won't miss a beat, with the first two US Navy Block 3 test jets delivering in the next two months, followed by delivery of 24 E/F aircraft over the next year for our international customer, Kuwait."

Capt Denney's noting of the "continuously evolving" philosophy of the USN's aircraft platforms in general mirrors earlier comments made to Jane's and other defence media regarding the Hornet-series in particular.

With the first F/A-18A/B Hornet designed to be a multimission, programmable strike fighter, the F/A-18C/D variants of the late 1980s built on this with enhanced avionics and a more lethal systems and weapons package. The F/A-18C/D then became the F/A-18C/D Night Attack in the early 1990s before the Hornet became the F/A-18E/F Block 1 Super Hornet in the late 1990s.

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With the last of 608 retrofitted and new-build Block 2 Super Hornets now delivered, Boeing's and the US Navy's attentions will now turn to delivering the Block 3 standard aircraft. Source: US Navy

https://www.janes.com/article/95751/us-navy-receives-final-block-2-super-hornet
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/04/2020 | 14:42 uur
Future F-35 Panoramic Cockpit Display System to Feature Better Processing, Memory

https://www.aviationtoday.com/2020/04/24/future-f-35-panoramic-cockpit-display-system-to-feature-better-processing-memory/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/04/2020 | 08:14 uur
Saab starts flight testing AESA fighter radar

Richard Scott, London - Jane's Defence Weekly
26 April 2020

Saab has begun flight testing a new multi-mode X-band active electronically scanned array (AESA) fighter radar being offered as an addition to the company's PS-05/A radar family.

The radar combines a new AESA front end based on Gallium Nitride (GaN) transmit/receive modules, with the back-end processing and mode set from the existing PS-05/A Mk 4 mechanically-scanned radar. Saab is pitching the new AESA radar to a number of different market segments, including fighter upgrades, aggressor platforms, and lightweight fighter/trainer aircraft.

Developed by Saab's radar solutions business unit in Gothenburg, the new X-band AESA radar is being offered as an upgrade option for Gripen C/D customers. In addition, the modular and scaleable AESA architecture will allow for different array apertures tailored to other airframe installations and applications, including airborne surveillance.

The first flight trial was conducted on 8 April, with the AESA radar fitted in a two-seat Gripen D fighter operating from the company's Linköping facility. Anders Carp, senior vice-president and head of Saab's surveillance business area, told journalists during a conference call on 24 April that the X-band AESA prototype completed "a very successful first flight, both in terms of capability and stability".

The flight test, which lasted about 90 minutes, saw the radar detect and track targets in both air-to-air and air-to-ground modes. Further validation trials are expected over the next three to four months, with approximately 15 flight tests to be flown in that period using the Gripen D aircraft.

Carp said that the new X-band AESA radar unit was already at a high state of maturity. "If there is a customer who wants it now, we are ready to take orders and start production," he said, suggesting a lead time of about 12-18 months for production, integration, and initial testing.

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Saab is using a two-seat Gripen D for flight to test its new X-band AESA radar. Source: Saab

https://www.janes.com/article/95782/saab-starts-flight-testing-aesa-fighter-radar
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/04/2020 | 08:21 uur
Su-57: what is the future?

25. April 2020

Yury Laskin/Jack Richardson

Nicknamed "FELON" by NATO and developed by the Sukhoi design bureau, the Su-57 is a promising fifth-generation, multi-role, fighter which is designed to destroy all types of air, ground and surface targets. However, it is now apparent that the Su-57 will not, at least in the immediate future, replace the Su-27/35 "FLANKER" family in the numbers originally envisaged.

Created under the Future Combat Aircraft (PAK FA) programme, the Su-57 is being considered for two operational scenarios. Under the first, it will replace the Su-35S when needed as the existing FLANKERS currently suit the Russian Aerospace Forces because, unless there is a change in circumstances, dogfights between the Su-57s and western fifth-generation fighters such as the F22 RAPTOR and F35 LIGHTNING II are not expected in the near future. Under the second scenario, the Su-57 could be purchased in small quantities to operate at high speeds and altitudes, destroying enemy radars and protecting friendly aircraft with long-range missiles.

High performance and modern armament

With two AL-41F turbojet engines it has a top speed of about 2,600 kph and a range of 1,750 km in addition to the ability to climb 21,000 metres per minute. Unlike the MiG-31BM interceptor, which is very fast but not very manoeuvrable, the Su-57 is capable in both respects. The aircraft's weaponry is located inside the inner fuselage compartments but if necessary, weapons can be carried externally. These include the X-58 anti-radar missile and the new long-range RVV-BD, which can prosecute targets at 600km. While their American counterparts – the upgraded AGM-88 and AIM-120 missiles – are perhaps more advanced in terms of guidance, they cannot cover such distances. The reported targets of the Su-57 in this role would include reconnaissance aircraft, heavy drones, AWACS aircraft and air-to-air refuelling tankers while for the Su-57 to engage important ground targets, a small hypersonic missile, to be placed inside the fuselage, has already been developed in prototype form.

Exactly how the Su-57 will be used remains unclear, but it has already been tested in missions over Syria, after which, their purpose will be determined according to cost and combat-efficiency. It may also be of interest to Russia's traditional, and potentially new, partners abroad, as India could decide to purchase an initial batch of "off-the-shelf" Su-57s to evaluate their capabilities with the possibility of entering into a joint production contract (this would be a similar approach to that adopted with the Su-30).

https://euro-sd.com/2020/04/news/17063/17063/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/04/2020 | 15:14 uur
Als vervolg op het Janes artikel van reactie #4319.

Navy takes delivery of final Block II Super Hornet, looks ahead to Block III

Story Number: NNS200424-12 Release Date: 4/24/2020 4:04:00 PM
From Program Executive Office Tactical Aircraft Public Affairs

NAVAL AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND, Md. (NNS) -- Since 2005, F/A-18 Super Hornet Block II aircraft have been rolling off Boeing's production line and serving as the U.S. Navy's multi-mission capable workhorse. The service took delivery of the final Block II Super Hornet, closing out a run of 322 one-seater F/A-18Es and 286 two-seated F/A-18Fs, on April 17.

.../...

The proven capabilities and successes of the Block II program were leveraged by the Navy in awarding a multi-year procurement contract for Block III Super Hornets to Boeing in March 2019, totaling approximately $4 billion. The Navy will procure 72 Block III Super Hornet aircraft between fiscal years 2019 and 2021, while realizing more efficient production rates and providing the supporting industrial base with stability and advantages in production and spares planning.

Boeing is expected to deliver the Block III test jets to the Navy as early as late spring, where subsequent testing will commence at both NAS Patuxent River and Naval Air Weapons System (NAWS) China Lake. This latest version of the Super Hornet includes an advanced cockpit system; advanced network infrastructure; reduced radar cross-section; and a 10,000-flight hour lifespan.

.../...

https://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=112750
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/04/2020 | 12:50 uur
USAF releases M7.2+ upgrade to more than 600 F-16s

Gareth Jennings, London - Jane's International Defence Review
28 April 2020

The US Air Force (USAF) has released the latest software and hardware upgrade planned for more than 600 of its Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon combat aircraft, the service disclosed on 28 April.

The Operational Flight Program (OFP) M-series 7.2+ upgrade, earmarked for retrofit to current Block 40/42/50/52 F-16s, was released in April following a USD455 million development programme led by the F-16 System Program Office (SPO) located at both Hill Air Force Base (AFB) in Utah and Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio.

As noted by the USAF, OFP M7.2+ adds 42 major capability enhancements onto older model F-16s, including the Northrop Grumman AN/APG-83 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar (deemed to be the top priority for Northern Command [USNORTHCOM]), the ability to employ the Lockheed Martin AGM-158B Joint Air-To-Surface Standoff Missile Extended Range (JASSM-ER) and latest variant Raytheon AIM-120D Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM).

The F-16 SPO, the 309th Software Engineering Group (SWEG), the OFP Combined Test Force (CTF) including the Air Force Test Center Developmental Test, 53 Wing Operational Test, and the Air National Guard Air Force Reserve Test Center are partnered to develop and field software capability upgrades, the air force said.

OFP M7.2+ has been a totally in-house development for the USAF, with the OFP CTF located at Eglin AFB in Florida conducting more than 4,200 sorties and 4,600 flight hours, including participation in the 2019 Northern Edge Exercise.

The OFP M7.2+ is part of a wider modernisation process planned for the USAF's F-16 that includes a service-life extension programme (SLEP) to extend the service lives of up to 841 Block 40-52 F-16C/D aircraft from the current 8,000 hours to nearly 14,000 hours.

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An OFP M7.2+ standard F-16 undergoing pre-release flight trials. The USAF plans to roll out the upgrade to more than 600 of its F-16 aircraft. Source: US Air Force

https://www.janes.com/article/95828/usaf-releases-m7-2-upgrade-to-more-than-600-f-16s
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/04/2020 | 12:55 uur
Taiwanese F-16V procurement activated with engine contract

Gareth Jennings, London - Jane's Defence Weekly
28 April 2020

Taiwan's planned procurement of 66 newbuild Lockheed Martin F-16V Fighting Falcon combat aircraft appears to have been activated with an engine contract announced by the US Department of Defense (DoD) on 28 April.

The deal covers an unspecified number of General Electric F110-GE-129 increased performance engines for Foreign Military Sales (FMS) customers, including Taiwan. While the Republic of China Air Force (RoCAF) already fields F-16C/D fighters, including a number that have already been upgraded to F-16V Block 70/72 standard in an ongoing modernisation plan, all are currently powered by Pratt & Whitney P100-PW-220 engines.

In August 2019 the US State Department cleared Taiwan to buy 66 of the latest F-16C/D Block 70 aircraft (the F-16C/D Block 70/72 is more commonly designated F-16V). This was followed in October 2019 by the President of the Republic of China, Tsai Ing-wen, tweeting that the country's Legislative Yuan - one of the five branches of government - had approved funding for the 66 new F-16Vs "in a multi-partisan effort that reflects our collective will to defend our liberty and sovereignty", although no contracts associated with the procurement had been announced to date.

As the most advanced iteration of the F-16 to date, the F-16V features the Northrop Grumman AN/APG-83 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar (derived from the F-16E/F Block 60 AN/APG-80, and also known as the Scalable Agile Beam Radar [SABR]), a new Raytheon mission computer, the Link 16 datalink, modern cockpit displays, an enhanced electronic-warfare system, and a ground-collision avoidance system.

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Taiwan's inclusion in a US FMS contract for General Electric F110-GE-129 increased performance engines appears to activate the country's planned procurement of 66 newbuild Lockheed Martin F-16V Fighting Falcon combat aircraft. Source: General Electric

https://www.janes.com/article/95831/taiwanese-f-16v-procurement-activated-with-engine-contract
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/05/2020 | 09:03 uur
De Sidekick wapenuitbreiding voor de F-35A en F-35C is ook bij de U.S. Navy gewenst.

Zie Capable Capacity in onderstaande.

https://files.nc.gov/deftech/blog/files/FY2021-Navy-UPL-c2.pdf


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/05/2020 | 08:40 uur
Air Force Seeking Faster, Longer-Range Air-to-Air Missiles

https://www.airforcemag.com/air-force-seeking-faster-longer-range-air-to-air-missiles/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/05/2020 | 13:41 uur
Fighter jet bid deadline pushed to July 31, Canadian government confirms

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/fighter-jet-bid-deadline-pushed-to-july-31-canadian-government-confirms/wcm/69c91115-64ac-42e1-9335-aef008f0574a/

Canada invests another US$70M in F-35 development despite no commitment to buy

https://www.cp24.com/world/canada-invests-another-us-70m-in-f-35-development-despite-no-commitment-to-buy-1.4926916
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/05/2020 | 11:49 uur
@BoeingDefense (08-05-2020)

CitaatThe first #FA18 Block III #SuperHornet test jet has rolled out of final assembly. Two of these test jets will head to the
@USNavy, where they'll help pilots familiarize themselves with the updated jets and be used in carrier flight tests.

Filmpje te zien via de weblink.

https://twitter.com/BoeingDefense/status/1258758638379896836
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Bericht door: Harald op 11/05/2020 | 12:08 uur
Sweden seeks new trainer aircraft

The Swedish Air Force's current training aircraft, the Saab SK 60, has many years of service, but now the government has given FMV an authorization to procure a complete flight training system for the first phase of the pilot training. This includes aircraft, simulators, safety equipment and maintenance.

The Air Force is in great need of a new school airplane as well as all associated systems for training future pilots. The existing school aircraft, SK60, flew for the first time in 1963. Since then, much has happened in the aviation industry and in the Air Force, both in terms of technology but also how it is intended that future pilots should be trained.

"The procurement that FMV is now carrying out and which the government has authorized is a complete so-called Basic Trainer Aircraft system for the first phase of the training," says Andreas Säf Pernselius, FMV project manager.

The parts that will be included in the contract and the contract are:
- aircraft
- flight safety equipment (helmets, mask, lifejacket, parachute, etc.)
- simulators
- Part Task Trainer (simpler PC type simulators)
- CBT (Computer Based Training)
- TLS (Through Life Support), engineering support for the product's life
- aircraft maintenance (operational aircraft on the line and heavy maintenance)
- maintenance of simulators

The goal is for the education system to be ready at Malmen in Linköping for the first batch of pilot students in the summer of 2023. And before that, flight instructors should be able to fly into the system.

"It is a very tight timeline but the Air Force's clear requirement is that the system should be based on existing products and that there should be no Swedish special solutions. The supplier will also be responsible for maintenance for the first three years with an option for another two years. The idea then is to postpone the competitive maintenance contract," says Malin Olofsson, strategic buyer.

It is a team effort to develop the documentation required for a competitive procurement of this kind. It is important that the bidders receive a good basis for their tenders, which also facilitates when we evaluate the tenders. This is stated by strategic buyer Malin Olofsson and project manager Andreas Säf Pernselius.

FMV has conducted feasibility studies at different times and with different intensity, conducted a market study via a so-called RFI and developed a basis for the procurement of a complete education system. Due to various reasons, the procurement has on several occasions been postponed in the future. When FMV received information that the government was close to deciding on the issue, a project team was quickly put together.

"We gathered staff from different areas of expertise within FMV. The team worked on compiling the procurement documentation such as the technical specification, the specification for the undertaking and the request documentation," says Malin Olofsson.

The challenges during the completion of the tender documentation for the procurement have been to gather all stakeholders affected by the school aviation system, including several departments and competencies within FMV. The project also works closely with the Air Force's representatives.

http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2020/may/6218-sweden-seeks-new-trainer-aircraft.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/05/2020 | 11:57 uur
Op de Japanse vliegbasis Misawa laat een JASDF F-35A een test zien met de Vliegtuig Afrem Installatie (VAI).

Filmpje te zien via de weblink.

https://twitter.com/jasdf_misawa/status/1260075315948212224
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/05/2020 | 08:21 uur
F-35 JOINT STRIKE FIGHTER:
Actions Needed to Address Manufacturing and Modernization Risks


GAO-20-339: Published: May 12, 2020. Publicly Released: May 12, 2020.

Fast Facts:

The F-35 program produced more aircraft and negotiated lower prices in 2019. However, the program is not meeting standards aimed at ensuring consistent, high-quality products, and fielded aircraft do not meet reliability goals.

Also, the cost to modernize aircraft systems went up about $1.5 billion (14%) since the program's May 2019 annual report to Congress. Due to development delays, this reporting requirement will expire before the effort is complete. We suggest Congress consider extending it.

We made 5 recommendations, including some to help the Defense Department make its modernization cost estimate more comprehensive and credible.

https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-20-339

Highlights:

https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-20-339#summary

Recommendations:

https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-20-339?mobile_opt_out=1#summary_recommend

Rapport:

https://www.gao.gov/assets/710/706815.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/05/2020 | 13:04 uur
Covid-19: Swiss delay fighter, GBAD responses from industry

Gareth Jennings, London - Jane's Defence Weekly
12 May 2020

Switzerland has delayed its timeline for receiving responses from industry for its Air2030 requirement to procure new combat aircraft and ground-based air defence (GBAD) systems, though the programme itself remains on track.

As noted by the Federal Department of Defence, Civil Protection, and Sport (VBS - DDPS) on 12 May, with all of the participating nations currently being affected by the coronavirus pandemic, the country has taken the decision to extend the deadline for responses from industry from August to November this year.

"The Covid-19 pandemic has triggered measures worldwide, which also affect all candidates from the producing countries. Employees are absent or, due to the confidentiality of the dossiers in the home office, cannot work on the offers continuously as they do at the workplace. In addition, the travel restrictions make physical discussions between representatives of the candidates, Swiss industry and the [VBS-]DDPS more difficult. Discussions with Swiss industry representatives are necessary, in particular to promote the implementation of the requirements for compensation transactions and, due to the classification of the topics to be discussed, cannot always be replaced by telephone or video conferences. The [VBS-]DDPS has therefore decided to give manufacturers three months longer. The second offers must be submitted in November 2020. This gives the candidates the opportunity to submit the offers with the required quality," the department said.

The announcement of the extended deadline came four months after Switzerland's Armasuisse defence procurement agency issued a second request for proposal (RFP) for its Air2030 requirement. This second RFP built on data already gathered from tests and evaluations of the five candidate fighter aircraft and two GBAD types.

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Switzerland is planning to replace its aging Hornet (pictured) and Tiger II fleets, as well as procure new long-range ground-based air defence systems, under its Air2030 requirement. Source: Jane's/Patrick Allen

https://www.janes.com/article/96107/covid-19-swiss-delay-fighter-gbad-responses-from-industry
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/05/2020 | 10:18 uur
Report to Congress on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Program

https://news.usni.org/2020/05/14/report-to-congress-on-the-f-35-joint-strike-fighter-program

Rapport update 13-05-2020

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6890066/F-35-Joint-Strike-Fighter-JSF-Program-May-13-2020.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/05/2020 | 08:30 uur
Lockheed to Miss 2020 F-35 Production Goal Due to COVID-19 (verwachting maximaal 18-24 stuks minder)

https://www.airforcemag.com/lockheed-to-miss-2020-f-35-production-goal-due-to-covid-19/

Lockheed Martin Announces Proactive Measures to Mitigate COVID-19 Impacts to F-35 Production

https://www.f35.com/news/detail/lockheed-martin-announces-proactive-measures-to-mitigate-covid-19-impacts-t
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/05/2020 | 11:21 uur
US Air Force cancels GE Aviation sole-source for F-15EX engine, asks for competitive bids

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/us-air-force-cancels-ge-aviation-sole-source-for-f-15ex-engine-asks-for-competitive-bids/138446.article
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/05/2020 | 09:24 uur
Indian Air Force commissions second Tejas LCA fighter squadron

27 MAY 2020 00:00 GMT+0

The Indian Air Force (IAF) commissioned its second squadron of Tejas Mk 1 Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) in a ceremony held on 27 May at Sulur Air Force Station (AFS) in the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu.

Officials told Janes that the first of a planned 20 LCAs in final operational clearance (FOC) configuration was inducted into the No 18 'Flying Bullets' Squadron during the event, adding that four more of these aircraft are currently "in advanced stages of production and testing" and will join the squadron "in the near future".

Compared with the previous variant, the LOC-configured Tejas Mk 1 has an aerial refuelling and a beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile capability, both of which were successfully tested for the first time in March following a delay of some eight years.

Moreover, senior IAF officials said that this variant of the single-engined fighter also enables easier maintainability of its line-replaceable units (LRUs).

Industry sources said 15 more LOC-configured single-seat Mk 1s will eventually be delivered to the IAF by the state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). These platforms will then be joined by four dual-seat trainers once their design configuration has been finalised.

Ordered in 2010 for INR59.89 billion (USD792 million), the 20 LOC-configured Mk 1s will supplement 16 Mk 1s in initial operational clearance (IOC) configuration that entered service from 2016 with the IAF's No 45 'Flying Daggers' Squadron, which is also based at Sulur.

This squadron is also awaiting delivery of its four twin-seat trainers.

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The IAF inducted the first of a planned 20 FOC-configured Tejas LCA Mk 1 fighters into the No 18 'Flying Bullets' Squadron during a ceremony held on 27 May at Sulur Air Force Station.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/69752895-846d-47e1-b629-6aa9fa42fa48
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/05/2020 | 09:14 uur
Italy defense minister commits to F-35 after calls to suspend program

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2020/05/28/italy-defense-minister-commits-to-f-35-after-calls-to-suspend-program/

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US Defence Secretary Mark Esper (L) shakes hands with Italian Defence Minister Lorenzo Guerini during the second and last day of a NATO Defence ministers meeting at NATO headquarters in Brussels on Oct. 25, 2019. Guerini has pledged to keep Italy's F-35 purchases on track despite a hefty blow to the Italian economy caused by the coronavirus lockdown. (Photo by Virginia Mayo/AFP via Getty Images)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 02/06/2020 | 08:52 uur
Egypt buying 24 Eurofighters and 24 M-346s 

Italian newspaper La Republica says Cairo is preparing to buy 24 Eurofighters along with 24 M-346 advanced jet trainers.

http://alert5.com/2020/06/02/la-republic-egypt-buying-24-eurofighters-and-24-m-346s/#more-82162
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jellington op 02/06/2020 | 08:59 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 02/06/2020 | 08:52 uur
Egypt buying 24 Eurofighters and 24 M-346s 

Italian newspaper La Republica says Cairo is preparing to buy 24 Eurofighters along with 24 M-346 advanced jet trainers.

http://alert5.com/2020/06/02/la-republic-egypt-buying-24-eurofighters-and-24-m-346s/#more-82162

Waarom is het eigenlijk zo dat veel van de (rijke) MENA-landen -- zoals Qatar, Saudi Arabië en dus ook Egypte -- zo'n aparte mengelmoes aan verschillende fighters hebben? 24 Eurofighters hier, 24 Rafale's daar, het oogt allemaal vrij willekeurig en inefficient.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 02/06/2020 | 09:18 uur
Citaat van: Jellington op 02/06/2020 | 08:59 uur
Waarom is het eigenlijk zo dat veel van de (rijke) MENA-landen -- zoals Qatar, Saudi Arabië en dus ook Egypte -- zo'n aparte mengelmoes aan verschillende fighters hebben? 24 Eurofighters hier, 24 Rafale's daar, het oogt allemaal vrij willekeurig en inefficient.
Precies ook mijn gedachte.
Egypte wordt natuurlijk financieel gesponseerd door SA, maar toch ....


Off topic ; het gerucht gaat dat Egypte een nog grotere deal heeft gesloten met Italie en ook nog de nodige schepen verkoopt o.a. 2x FREMM en 20+ OPV
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/06/2020 | 09:37 uur
Citaat van: Jellington op 02/06/2020 | 08:59 uur
Waarom is het eigenlijk zo dat veel van de (rijke) MENA-landen -- zoals Qatar, Saudi Arabië en dus ook Egypte -- zo'n aparte mengelmoes aan verschillende fighters hebben? 24 Eurofighters hier, 24 Rafale's daar, het oogt allemaal vrij willekeurig en inefficient.

Citaat van: Harald op 02/06/2020 | 09:18 uur
Precies ook mijn gedachte.
Egypte wordt natuurlijk financieel gesponseerd door SA, maar toch ....

Net zoals in diverse Aziatische landen willen landen in en rondom het Midden-Oosten niet afhankelijk zijn van 1 bepaalde leverancier en/of land. Gevolg is dat ze overal inkopen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 02/06/2020 | 14:43 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 02/06/2020 | 09:37 uur
Net zoals in diverse Aziatische landen willen landen in en rondom het Midden-Oosten niet afhankelijk zijn van 1 bepaalde leverancier en/of land. Gevolg is dat ze overal inkopen.
Dit.
Egypte bijvoorbeeld zat na het vredesverdrag met Israël na de Yom Kipur oorlog met een enorm probleem. De USSR wilde geen spare-parts en training meer leveren voor de MiGs en Sukhois. Dergelijke scenario's willen ze in de toekomst voorkomen en daarom kopen deze landen bij verschillende leveranciers.

Je ziet dit vooral bij landen die zowel met de VS als Rusland goede banden onderhouden (Egypte, Qatar). Landen die duidelijker in het westerse kamp zitten hebben minder diversiteit, Oman en SA hebben alleen Amerikaanse (bondgenoot) en Britse (koloniaal verleden) jachtvliegtuigen.

Als het geld uit grond spuit of van de buurman komt is efficiëntie toch niet zo belangrijk.

Voordeel van een gevarieerd inventory aan fighters is ook dat ze elkaars zwakke punten opvangen. Nadeel is natuurlijk dat je supply chain een drama is door de vele types en de gemiddelde beschikbaarheid lager is door de relatief kleine aantallen per type.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/06/2020 | 16:01 uur
DoD launches F-35A DEAD/SEAD retrofit

02 JUNE 2020 00:00 GMT+0

The US Department of Defense (DoD) has launched an effort to begin retrofitting a complete destruction/suppression of enemy air defences (DEAD/SEAD) capability onto the Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), according to a contract notification posted on 1 June.

The DoD has awarded the manufacturer USD36.78 million to support non-recurring engineering efforts to develop and certify a retrofit solution to support the structural requirements for full-up DEAD/SEAD capabilities for Lot 14 and Lot 15 F-35A aircraft.

The award, which covers USAF and international F-35A operators, will run through to August 2022.

DEAD/SEAD is one of the core missions of the F-35, alongside defensive counter-air (DCA); close air support (CAS); air interdiction (AI); strike, co-ordination, and reconnaissance (SCAR); and non-traditional intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (NTISR).

The USAF declared initial operational capability (IOC) for the F-35A in August 2016, at which time the service said that the aircraft was able to conduct "limited" DEAD/SEAD missions. Although it did not define exactly what it meant by limited capability, it likely involved performing the role using the baseline weapons package released at that time, which included GBU-31/32 1,000 lb/2,000 lb Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs). Since then, the Block 3F software package has included the GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) and AGM-154A/C Joint Stand-Off Weapon (JSOW) glide bomb, which can also be used in the role.

For the full-up DEAD/SEAD role (also known as anti-access/area denial [A2/AD]), the F-35A is slated to receive the Stand-in Attack Weapon (SiAW). This still developmental weapon will leverage heavily the Northrop Grumman AGM-88E Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile (AARGM).

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The USAF has begun the process of giving the F-35A a full-on destruction/suppression of enemy air defences capability for itself and international operators of the type.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/9f65d596-ae39-406c-b90b-3dfc3923bef3
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/06/2020 | 08:57 uur
Navy completes first AARGM-ER captive carry flight on F/A-18 (opvolger AGM-88 HARM)

Published: Jun 2, 2020

NAVAL AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND, Patuxent River, Md.
--
NAVAIR AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND, Patuxent River, Md. -- The U.S. Navy completed the first captive carry flight test of an Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile – Extended Range (AARGM-ER) missile on an F/A-18 Super Hornet June 1 at the Patuxent River test range.

During the test, the F/A-18 Super Hornet conducted a series of aerial maneuvers in order to evaluate integration and structural characteristics of the AARGM-ER.  Test points were completed across a range of flight conditions to demonstrate carriage compatibility of AARGM-ER with the F/A-18 Super Hornet.

"This first flight represents a significant step in the AARGM-ER Engineering and Manufacturing Development phase," said Capt. Mitch Commerford, who oversees the Direct and Time Sensitive Strike program office (PMA-242).   "Data collected from this testing will inform the planned build-up and overall expansion of flight testing with AARGM-ER."

Testing will continue over the next few years in preparation for initial operational capability in fiscal year 2023, he said.

The extended range variant, which leverages the AARGM program that's currently in full rate production, has been upgraded with a new rocket motor and warhead. It will provide advanced capability to detect and engage enemy air defense systems.

AARGM-ER is being integrated on the F/A-18E/F and EA-18G, and will also be compatible for integration on the F-35A/B/C.

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The Navy conducts the first captive carry flight test of an Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile – Extended Range (AARGM-ER) missile on an F/A-18 Super Hornet June 1 at the  Naval Air Station Patuxent River test range in Maryland. (U.S. Navy photo)

https://www.navair.navy.mil/news/Navy-completes-first-AARGM-ER-captive-carry-flight-FA-18/Tue-06022020-1557
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/06/2020 | 08:36 uur
GE Aviation delivers first KF-X engine to Korea

05 JUNE 2020 00:00 GMT+0

General Electric (GE) Aviation has delivered to South Korea the first engine for the country's KF-X indigenous future fighter development.

The US-based powerplant manufacturer announced the milestone on 4 June, noting that the first F414-GE-400K engine was delivered in May.

Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) selected GE Aviation in May 2016 to partner on the KF-X project, with an initial 15 F414-GE-400K engines to be delivered by 2021 to power six testbed aircraft (plus three spares). The Republic of Korea Air Force (RoKAF) is set to receive 120 KF-X aircraft, for which GE Aviation will provide 240 F414-GE-400K engines plus spares.

The KF-X fighter concept was first revealed by South Korea's Defence Acquisition Programme Administration (DAPA) in 2010. Indonesia joined the project in 2012, with a memorandum of understanding (MOU) covering joint development of the platform that Jakarta refers to as IF-X.

As budgets have waxed and waned, the project has fluctuated from being a full-up 'fifth-generation' fighter into a less sophisticated '4.5-generation' fighter, and back again. In its latest guise, KF-X will be twin-engined, low observable (LO), multirole combat aircraft equipped with an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar and internal weapons carriage.

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A full-scale mock-up of the KF-X fighter was revealed by KAI at the ADEX event in Seoul in late 2019. The operational aircraft will be powered by a pair of GE Aviation F414-GE-400K engines.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/60c0ec7b-6744-4af8-886f-61b96363480d
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/06/2020 | 19:43 uur
US Navy bespaart op Super Hornets met oog op opvolger

https://www.upinthesky.nl/2020/06/08/us-navy-bespaart-op-super-hornets-met-oog-op-opvolger/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/06/2020 | 08:39 uur
F-15E Proves Ready to Fly with New Nuclear Gravity Bomb

https://www.airforcemag.com/f-15e-proves-ready-to-fly-with-new-nuclear-gravity-bomb/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/06/2020 | 13:17 uur
@scramble_nl

CitaatAnd now for something completely different. Qatari F-15QA shows new camouflage. Read more at https://facebook.com/Scramblemagazine/posts/3702707079755799 (photo chasekohleraviation via Instagram) #avgeek #aviation #QatarEmiriAirForce #QEAF #Boeing #F15QA #Eagle

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https://twitter.com/scramble_nl/status/1269943076354752512
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/06/2020 | 13:19 uur
@scramble_nl

CitaatRDAF Lightning IIs show a little bit of colour. Read more at https://facebook.com/Scramblemagazine/posts/3703337326359441 (source Flyverkommandoen Forsvaret) #avgeek #aviation #Flyvevabnet #RoyalDanishAirForce #RDAF #LockheedMartin #F35A #LightningII

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https://twitter.com/scramble_nl/status/1270016913951817728
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/06/2020 | 10:51 uur
@jamie_aviacom (laatste Hornet cruise)

CitaatUSS Nimitz heading out from San Diego on June 8 with CVW-17 aboard inc VMFA-323 'Death Rattlers' making the last ever 'Classic' Hornet cruise. Camera US Navy/MCS2C Jessica Paulauskas #lasthornetcruise

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https://twitter.com/jamie_aviacom/status/1270682840083116033

Edit. Zie ook.

Navy strike group with last Marine F-18 squadron heads out on global security mission

https://www.ocregister.com/2020/06/09/navy-strike-group-with-last-marine-f-18-squadron-heads-out-on-global-security-mission/

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/vmfa-323-is-carrying-out-usmc-last-deployment-to-an-aircraft-carrier-for-f-a-18-hornet-strike-fighters/



Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/06/2020 | 14:51 uur


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/06/2020 | 09:08 uur
Quote uit de National Defense Authorization Act Fiscal Year 2021 m.b.t. de F-35.

CitaatAuthorizes $9.1 billion to procure 95 Joint Strike Fighter aircraft, an additional 14 aircraft above the
administration's request, enabling the forces to modernize and equip themselves with the most
advanced and capable fifth-generation aircraft:

  • Includes $5.5 billion to procure 60 F-35As,
  • Includes $1.2 billion to procure 12 F-35Bs,
  • Includes $2.4 billion to procure 23 F-35Cs,
  • Addresses the lack of strategy for the redesign of the Autonomic Logistics Information System,
  • Authorizes the Air Force to utilize, modify, and operate six Turkish F-35s that were accepted
    but never delivered because Turkey was suspended from the F-35 program,
  • Requires NATO partner F-35 munitions to be qualified on F-35s,
  • Continues efforts to find cost savings for the F-35 aircraft,

https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/FY%2021%20NDAA%20Summary.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/06/2020 | 09:12 uur
•Authorizes the Air Force to utilize, modify, and operate six Turkish F-35s that were accepted
but never delivered because Turkey was suspended from the F-35 program,


Goed nieuws voor Huzaar1....  ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/06/2020 | 09:14 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 12/06/2020 | 09:12 uur
Goed nieuws voor Huzaar1....  ;)

Kratje Corona?  :angel:  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 12/06/2020 | 12:30 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 12/06/2020 | 09:12 uur
•Authorizes the Air Force to utilize, modify, and operate six Turkish F-35s that were accepted
but never delivered because Turkey was suspended from the F-35 program,


Goed nieuws voor Huzaar1....  ;)

Bieeeeeeeeer
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/06/2020 | 22:34 uur
Denmark begins F-35 preparations

12 JUNE 2020 00:00 GMT+0

by Gareth Jennings

Denmark has begun preparations for receiving its first Lockheed Martin F-35A Lighting II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) combat aircraft, with the country's parliament approving construction of facilities and the Royal Danish Air Force (RDAF) revealing the national livery to adorn the jets.

With the RDAF set to receive the first of its 27-contracted F-35As in 2021, the Danish parliament on 11 June approved legislation to build dedicated facilities at Skveststrup Flyvestation in Southern Jutland ahead of the commencement of type-operations there in 2023.

"With the Folketing's [Danish Parliament's] adoption of the Civil Aviation Administration Skrydstrup Act today, construction of the complex to house the next aircraft can begin. First spades will be taken on Monday [15 June] by, among others, Minister of Defence Trine Bramsen and Bjørn Bisserup, Defense Secretary," the country's Ministry of Defence (MoD) announced.

As noted by the MoD, as well as instigating construction work of new F-35 facilities, the adoption of the Civil Aviation Administration Skrydstrup Act activates a compensation scheme for local residents set to be affected by future F-35 aircraft noise in the area. "A broad political majority consisting of the Left, Conservatives, the Danish People's Party, the Liberal Alliance, the Radical Left, and the Social Democracy is behind the political agreement to compensate approximately 1,600 homes in the area of the additional noise the F-35 aircraft brings in comparison to the current F-16," the MoD said.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 16/06/2020 | 16:30 uur
Italy procures 6 F-35 jets for $368 million

Lockheed Martin has received a $368.2 million contract to produce five F-35As and an F-35B for Italy.

Zie: https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/italy-procures-6-f-35-jets-for-368-million/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/06/2020 | 10:44 uur
Raytheon's StormBreaker® completes first guided release from Super Hornet in U.S. Navy flight test

June 15, 2020


TUCSON, Ariz., June 15, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- Raytheon Missiles & Defense, a Raytheon Technologies business (NYSE: RTX), completed the first guided release of a StormBreaker® smart weapon from an F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, which will become the second fighter jet to add the weapon when the program reaches initial operational capability later this year.

"StormBreaker is the only weapon that enables pilots to hit moving targets during bad weather or if dust and smoke are in the area," said Cristy Stagg, StormBreaker program director. "Super Hornet pilots will be able to use poor visibility to their advantage when StormBreaker integration is complete."

During the U.S. Navy flight test, StormBreaker safely separated from the jet and successfully received guidance data from the plane, enabling it to be directed to its target while in flight.

StormBreaker features a revolutionary tri-mode seeker that uses imaging infrared and millimeter wave radar in its normal mode. The weapon can also deploy its semi-active laser or GPS guidance to hit targets.

The F-15E Eagle is the first platform to add StormBreaker; it's also being integrated on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

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The US Air Force's newest weapon, StormBreaker®, has a unique tri-mode seeker that enables pilots to hit moving targets in adverse weather or low visibility. Integration is progressing on several US fighter jets including the F-15E and now the F-18 Super Hornet.

https://www.rtx.com/News/News-Center/2020/06/15/raytheons-stormbreaker-completes-first-guided-release-from-super-hornet-in-u-s?_ga=2.59494189.1089040529.1592382446-1921396766.1592382446

StormBreaker Smart Weapon

https://www.raytheonmissilesanddefense.com/capabilities/products/stormbreaker-smart-weapon?_ga=2.264932367.1089040529.1592382446-1921396766.1592382446

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/06/2020 | 08:42 uur
First Block III Super Hornets Deliver for Testing, As Navy Nears Final Decision Point on Future F/A-18 Buys

https://news.usni.org/2020/06/17/first-block-iii-super-hornets-deliver-for-testing-as-navy-nears-final-decision-on-future-f-a-18-buys

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F/A-18 Block III Super Hornet test at the St. Louis International Airport. Boeing Photo
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/06/2020 | 08:44 uur
First F-35C Pilots Graduate from TOPGUN

https://news.usni.org/2020/06/17/first-f-35c-pilots-graduate-from-topgun

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Three F-35C Lightning II, attached to Commander, Joint Strike Fighter Wing, the "Argonauts" of Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 147, the "Rough Raiders "Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 125 and the "Grim Reapers" Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 101 complete a flight overhead Eglin Air Force Base in Fort Walton Beach, Fla., Feb. 1, 2019. US Navy photo.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/06/2020 | 09:56 uur
Finnish auditor reveals breakdown for HX procurement

18 JUNE 2020 00:00 GMT+0

by Charles Forrester

The National Audit Office of Finland (NAOF) issued a report on 17 June covering the HX fighter aircraft procurement and Squadron 2020 (SQ2020) multirole corvette acquisition, revealing a lower package price for the fighter procurement programme.

In the figures released by the NAOF, the authorised funds for the procurement (or procurement authority) of the aircraft, weapons, and sensors was valued at a maximum of EUR9.3 billion (USD10.4 billion), while a further EUR500 million was allocated to "other funding for the procurement".

A spokesperson for the HX programme office confirmed the amounts to Janes , with the EUR500 million being used to cover costs such as the integrating the new aircraft into the country's defence system, sending pilots and technical personnel abroad for training at the early stages of acquisition and fielding, and providing a risk reserve as well as funding possible contract amendments or additions. The estimated cost of the construction of any new security-critical infrastructure will be considered respectively and for each candidate specifically, they added.

The NAOF report also confirmed that two mid-life upgrades are scheduled to take place in 2040/41 and 2050/51, with a scheduled investment of EUR1 billion each in 2020 values.

A contentious point regarding the annual spend on operations and maintenance (O&M) costs arose between the HX programme office and the NAOF. According to the NAOF report, the O&M budget that was provided by the Finnish government for the new platform would be a maximum of EUR270 million per year, 10% of annual defence expenditure. This would give the overall capability a cost of EUR20 billion in 2020 values out to 2060.

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/finnish-auditor-reveals-breakdown-for-hx-procurement_10267
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/06/2020 | 09:59 uur
Germany approves upgraded AESA for Eurofighters

18 JUNE 2020 00:00 GMT+0

by Gareth Jennings

The German Bundestag has approved funding to develop, build, and integrate a new active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar system for the Luftwaffe's Eurofighter combat aircraft fleet.

The approval by the Bundestag's Budget Committee, announced on 17 June, will see national sensor-house Hensoldt lead the effort to equip the Luftwaffe's 79 Tranche 2 and 31 Tranche 3A Eurofighters with an updated AESA (also known as electronically scanned [E-Scan]) radar system.

With this decision, Germany is taking on a pioneering role in the field of key technology for the Eurofighter for the first time, Hensoldt CEO Thomas Müller said. "This will [...] give the Bundeswehr the equipment it needs to respond to new threats. In addition, it is a signal for Europe that Germany is investing in a technology that is of crucial importance for European defence co-operation."

Hensoldt told Janes that the Bundestag announcement authorises the Ministry of Defence to sign the respective contract with Airbus, which in turn will subcontract the radar system to Hensoldt.

The Eurofighter consortium that comprises Germany, Italy, Spain, and the UK is already developing an AESA/E-Scan radar through the Euroradar consortium. This effort, led by Leonardo UK, builds on the aircraft's existing Captor mechanically scanned (M-Scan) radar, and is known as Captor E-Scan and/or Captor AESA (CAESAR). This baseline AESA is referred to as Radar Mk 0 (also Radar 0), and is the system slated for Kuwait and Qatar, as well as initially for Luftwaffe Tranche 2 and 3 Eurofighters also.

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A Eurofighter with a Captor-E radar displayed in the open nose. Hensoldt will now lead an effort to upgrade the current Radar 0 into the Radar 1 for the German and Spanish air forces. (Hensoldt)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/germany-approves-upgraded-aesa-for-eurofighters
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/06/2020 | 10:01 uur
South Korea's ADD to study possible upgrades for FA-50 light attack aircraft

18 JUNE 2020 00:00 GMT+0

by Dae Young Kim

South Korea's Agency for Defense Development (ADD) is aiming to enhance the range and combat capabilities of Korea Aerospace Industries' (KAI's) FA-50 Fighting Eagle light combat aircraft, 60 units of which are currently in service with the Republic of Korea Air Force (RoKAF).

As its ageing F-5E/F and F-4E combat aircraft are gradually decommissioned, the RoKAF would like the twin-seat, single-engined FA-50, which was originally developed to provide close air support, to play a bigger role in the force, a military official told Janes on 18 June.

As a result the ADD will conduct a study from July to December to examine how to expand the aircraft's capabilities in several areas, including the possibility of it carrying conformal fuel tanks for extended range, as well as targeting pods and new weapons systems, including beyond-visual-range air-to-air missiles (BVRAAMs).

The FA-50 Fighting Eagle is the light-strike variant of the T-50 Golden Eagle advanced jet trainer. Developed along similar lines to the Yak-130 and M-346, the FA-50 has an internal General Dynamics M197 20 mm three-barrel Gatling-gun (modified M61A2) and seven external stations (one on centreline, two under each wing, and an air-to-air missile [AAM] rail on each wingtip) for AAMs and air-to-surface missiles (ASMs), rocket pods, bombs, munition dispensers, practice bombs or equipment, and training targets.

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South Korea's ADD is aiming to improve the combat capabilities of the KAI FA-50 light combat aircraft, 60 units of which are currently in RoKAF service. (KAI)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/south-koreas-add-to-study-possible-upgrades-for-fa-50-light-attack-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/06/2020 | 11:15 uur
@TheAviationist

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https://twitter.com/TheAviationist/status/1275198515032076291
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/06/2020 | 08:21 uur
No Lightning for F-35A Lightnings Until Further Notice (m.b.t. USAF)

https://www.airforcemag.com/no-lightning-for-lightnings-until-further-notice/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/06/2020 | 09:36 uur
UK may not upgrade all F-35Bs to Block 4 standard

24 JUNE 2020 00:00 GMT+0

by Gareth Jennings

The United Kingdom may not upgrade all of its early model Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning combat aircraft to the latest Block 4 standard later this decade, declaring it will decide numbers based on 'military capability requirements'.

Answering a question in the House of Commons Minister of State at the Ministry of Defence (MoD), Jeremy Quin, said that, while the international Block 4 (full combat) upgrade has been costed into the UK's procurement programme, the precise numbers of already-delivered jets to go through the retrofit process have not yet been decided.

"The F-35 Block 4 upgrade has been included in the UK F-35 programme budget since its inception. Decisions on the number of aircraft to be upgraded will be made on the basis of military capability requirements. The costs of the Block 4 upgrade are managed through the F-35 Joint Programme Office and, as one partner in the multinational F-35 programme, the UK is not in a position to share detailed cost information," the minister said.

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The UK government has said it has not yet decided how many of the 48 F-35Bs it will have received by 2026 will be upgraded to the latest Block 4 standard, noting any decision on numbers will be based on 'military capability requirements'. (Lockheed Martin)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/uk-may-not-upgrade-all-f-35bs-to-block-4-standard
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/06/2020 | 15:08 uur
Airbus to provide E-Scan radars for German and Spanish Eurofighters

26 JUNE 2020 00:00 GMT+0

by Gareth Jennings

Airbus has been contracted to develop, deliver, and integrate electronically-scanned (E-Scan) radar sets for German and Spanish Eurofighter combat aircraft.

The contract, announced on 26 June, covers 100 of the radar sets for the Luftwaffe and an initial five sets for the Spanish Air Force (Ejército del Aire Español: EdAE) from 2023. The value of the award made by the German and Spanish governments was not disclosed, although German sensor-house Hensoldt recently said it would receive EUR1.5 billion (USD1.7 billion) as lead for the project.

"The new sensor will equip Tranche 2 and Tranche 3 Eurofighters as well as new aircraft," Airbus Defence and Space said, with division CEO Dirk Hoke adding, "The contract for the Captor-E radar is a main achievement to equip Eurofighter with sensors that ensure todays dominance of the aircraft also in the threat scenarios of tomorrow. With Eurofighter, Germany and Spain are investing in a strong backbone of European air defence and in the leading project of the European defence industry."

News of the award came days after the governments of both nations approved funding to develop, build, and integrate a new active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar system for their Eurofighter combat aircraft fleet.

Airbus will now subcontract the work to Germany's Hensoldt as the lead contractor, with support from Spain's Indra.

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/airbus-to-provide-e-scan-radars-for-german-and-spanish-eurofighters
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/06/2020 | 16:58 uur
Kuwait Parliament Asks Why Eurofighter Deal Is So Expensive

ABU DHABI --- Investigations by Kuwait's permanent parliamentary committee to try the ministers involved in the Eurofighter aircraft deal have reportedly found large-scale misappropriation of state funds in securing a deal for the fighter jets.

The probe has currently run into a stalemate over movement restrictions and health protocols that have been imposed in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak, but there are several questions and doubts that have already cropped up over the contentious defence agreement.

Sources familiar with the probe said the deal [dates] back to September 2015, when Kuwait and Italy signed a memorandum of understanding to purchase 28 Eurofighter jets in a deal valued at 8 billion euros (Dh33 billion).

The source said the value of the deal struck by Kuwait was much higher compared to the value of similar deals signed by Qatar to purchase 24 similar fighters at 5 billion pounds (Dh22.65 billion), while the Saudi Ministry of Defence had also concluded a contract to purchase 72 Eurofighter Typhoon combat aircraft (older generation) worth $8.86 billion (Dh32.58 billion). Oman also concluded a deal to buy 24 Typhoon fighters at a cost of $2.24 billion from the United Kingdom.

Deals with Airbus under scanner

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It has been reported that the price of the fighters reached $110 million per plane in deals entered into by several countries (UK, Austria, Germany, Belgium, Saudi Arabia and Oman), while in case of Kuwait, the price came to $321 million.

https://gulfnews.com/world/gulf/kuwait/kuwait-parliament-asks-why-eurofighter-deal-is-so-expensive-1.72293777
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 30/06/2020 | 08:42 uur
A-10: Hey Air Force, There's More to Survival than Hiding

Anyone who's been around ground combat knows F-35s, F-22s and legacy fast jets are far too fast and lack the close in maneuverability to be able detect camouflaged threats to our troops or to separate friend from foe in a highly fluid firefight.

The A-10 may the closest thing to a religious relic in the US military's weapons inventory. Those who believe in its efficacy are adamant. It is simply the best airborne protection for American ground troops, period. But it's an old weapon, and unlike religious relics, few weapons grow more powerful when they start to get really old. The Air Force has tried repeatedly to retire some or all of the A-10 fleet to invest in newer weapons. The Air Force again wants to retire some of the A-10 fleet and some of its advocates, like Dave Deptula, have argued the case in our own publication. Brian Boeding, a former A-10 pilot, read Deptula's piece. Read on!
The editor.

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https://breakingdefense.com/2020/06/a-10-hey-air-force-theres-more-to-survival-than-hiding/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/06/2020 | 10:14 uur
Swiss set date for fighter referendum

26 JUNE 2020 00:00 GMT+0

by Gareth Jennings

Switzerland is to hold a national referendum on its Air2030 requirement to procure new combat aircraft on 27 September.

The date, announced by the government on 26 June, will see the population decide on whether or not to proceed with a planned procurement of a new aircraft type to replace the Swiss Air Force's ageing Northrop F-5E/F Tiger II and Boeing F/A-18 Hornet fleets. As previously reported though, the type selection itself will not be subject to a vote.

With the Covid-19 pandemic having delayed proceedings, the referendum will take place before the offers from industry are due in November. These offers will come from Germany's Airbus for the Eurofighter Typhoon, from France for the Dassault Rafale, and the United States for the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF).

For the fighter requirement, the competing companies contacted via the government authorities are requested to submit the most advantageous offer for Switzerland. The proposal should include prices for 36 and 40 aircraft (including logistics and weapons), as well as other defined industrial aspects of the bid including offsets.

Under a previously released timeline Switzerland had planned to select a new fighter type in 2020, though this will now likely take place in 2021. Parliamentary approval and the award of funding is due in 2022, with deliveries to follow from 2025.

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Switzerland is planning to replace its ageing Hornet (pictured) and Tiger II fleets, as well as procure new long-range ground-based air defence systems, under its Air2030 requirement. A national referendum on the fighter element is scheduled for 27 September. (Janes/Patrick Allen)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/swiss-set-date-for-fighter-referendum
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 30/06/2020 | 10:50 uur
Daar gaan ze weer, goed idee was dat toch, het volk vragen om een mening  :cute-smile:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 02/07/2020 | 09:09 uur
Pentagon buying F110-GE-129 engines for F-15EX Lot 1 production

The Pentagon has given General Electric a $101.4 million contract for an unspecific number of F110-GE-129 engines to power the F-15EX Lot 1 aircraft.

The military had said earlier it will open the engine choice to competition. The Pentagon said in the Jun. 30 press release that the "award is the result of an unusual and compelling urgency acquisition."

General Electric will have to deliver the engines by Nov. 30, 2022.

The powerplant has been chosen for the F-15K, F-15QA, F-15SA and F-15SG.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaK_uSeCJgg

http://alert5.com/2020/07/02/pentagon-buying-f110-ge-129-engines-for-f-15ex-lot-1-production/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/07/2020 | 16:08 uur
Straaljagers voor Ierland?

De Ierse regering denkt na over de aankoop van straaljagers voor het beveiligen van het eigen luchtruim. In een nieuw investeringsplan staat dat in de toekomst een rol voor jachtvliegtuigen is voorzien. Op dit moment beschikken de Ieren niet over gevechtsvliegtuigen, maar over helikopters en ondersteunende kisten.

De noodzaak om over eigen jachtvliegtuigen te beschikken werd pijnlijk duidelijk toen in maart Russische bommenwerpers verschillende keren het Ierse luchtruim binnenvlogen. De Tu-95's werden boven Ierland onderschept door Britse Typhoon straaljagers.

Volgens een deskundige heeft Ierland ongeveer 16 jachtvliegtuigen nodig. Aanschaf en inzet  zullen veel geld kosten. Uitgaven waarop volgens politici niet iedereen zit te wachten.

Bron: Irish Times

Defensiekrant 26, vrijdag 03 juli 2020

https://magazines.defensie.nl/defensiekrant/2020/26/06_globaal_26
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/07/2020 | 16:09 uur
De Ieren moeten het nu met de PC-9M doen met .50 gun pods en 2,75 inch rocket launchers  :angel:

https://www.military.ie/en/who-we-are/air-corps/the-fleet/pilatus-pc-9m/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 03/07/2020 | 16:18 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 03/07/2020 | 16:09 uur
De Ieren moeten het nu met de PC-9M doen met .50 gun pods en 2,75 inch rocket launchers  :angel:

https://www.military.ie/en/who-we-are/air-corps/the-fleet/pilatus-pc-9m/

Voor wat betreft de Ierse wens voor ''echte fighter jets'' vind ik de Saab Gripen E de beste optie;
- Relatief goedkope toestellen (+/- 75 miljoen EUR) maar Zweden staat ook open voor lease contracten.
- Een capabele 4e generatie jet fighters voor de beoogde taken bij de Ieren (luchtruim bewaking en mogelijk vredes operaties onder VN vlag).

Om te beginnen ben ik persoonlijk van mening dat een Hongaars / Tsjechische lease constructie de verstandigste keuze is voor de Ieren, 14 toestellen leasen (12x Gripen E + 2x Gripen F).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/07/2020 | 16:28 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 03/07/2020 | 16:18 uur
Voor wat betreft de Ierse wens voor ''echte fighter jets'' vind ik de Saab Gripen E de beste optie;
- Relatief goedkope toestellen (+/- 75 miljoen EUR) maar Zweden staat ook open voor lease contracten.
- Een capabele 4e generatie jet fighters voor de beoogde taken bij de Ieren (luchtruim bewaking en mogelijk vredes operaties onder VN vlag).

De Gripen E of F-16 Block 70. Dit kan nog mee de komende decennia.

Citaat van: Parera op 03/07/2020 | 16:18 uur
Om te beginnen ben ik persoonlijk van mening dat een Hongaars / Tsjechische lease constructie de verstandigste keuze is voor de Ieren, 14 toestellen leasen (12x Gripen E + 2x Gripen F).

Dan zal Saab wel eerst moet bouwen, want er zijn geen Gripen E surplus zoals dat wel met de Gripen C/D voor de Hongaren en Tsjechen het geval was.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 03/07/2020 | 16:38 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 03/07/2020 | 16:28 uur
De Gripen E of F-16 Block 70. Dit kan nog mee de komende decennia.

Dat zijn 2 van de mogelijkheden ja, een andere optie is om te kiezen voor een minder capable jet zoals de KAI T-50 of of de Alenia Aermacchi M-346 maar dan kan je ook wel minder en de Ieren ''willen'' nu een volledig inzetbare jet fighter. Waarschijnlijk zijn 2e hands toestellen (EF Typhoon / F-15 / F-18 / F-16 enz.) ook een optie.

Citaat van: Sparkplug op 03/07/2020 | 16:28 uur
Dan zal Saab wel eerst moet bouwen, want er zijn geen Gripen E surplus zoals dat wel met de Gripen C/D voor de Hongaren en Tsjechen het geval was.

De Gripen E/F is volgens mij gewoon in productie voor de Zweden (60 stuks) & Brazilië (36 stuks), ook ziet het er naar uit dat de productie voorlopig niet hoeft komen stil te staan met nog een wens van 10 extra stuks voor Zweden + nog eens 2 batches van 36 stuks voor Brazilië (108 stuks totaal).

We moeten natuurlijk niet vergeten dat het leasen van 14 Gripen's ook niet goedkoop is; De Tsjechen leasde in 2005 14 Gripen C/D's (Ex-Zweedse luchtmacht) voor 780 miljoen Euro voor een tijd van 10 jaar.

Ga je dat bedrag omrekenen naar 2020 dan kom je al boven de 1 miljard Euro uit, wil je dan nog splinter nieuwe kisten dan zal dit bedrag nog iets hoger uitvallen.
De vraag is of kopen niet goedkoper is, op de korte termijn niet maar op de lange termijn natuurlijk wel.

Een Gripen E kost ongeveer 87 miljoen Euro per stuk wat uitkomt op een aankoop bedrag van 1,2 miljard Euro. Daarbovenop komen nog de opleidings, onderhouds en overige kosten.

Beide opties zullen enorm zwaar drukken op het kleine defensie budget van Ierland (780 miljoen EUR in 2020) van slechts 0,27% BBP.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/07/2020 | 16:56 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 03/07/2020 | 16:38 uur
Dat zijn 2 van de mogelijkheden ja, een andere optie is om te kiezen voor een minder capable jet zoals de KAI T-50 of of de Alenia Aermacchi M-346 maar dan kan je ook wel minder en de Ieren ''willen'' nu een volledig inzetbare jet fighter. Waarschijnlijk zijn 2e hands toestellen (EF Typhoon / F-15 / F-18 / F-16 enz.) ook een optie.

Tweedehands is een optie, mits het een veel gebruikte type is.

Citaat van: Parera op 03/07/2020 | 16:38 uur
De Gripen E/F is volgens mij gewoon in productie voor de Zweden (60 stuks) & Brazilië (36 stuks), ook ziet het er naar uit dat de productie voorlopig niet hoeft komen stil te staan met nog een wens van 10 extra stuks voor Zweden + nog eens 2 batches van 36 stuks voor Brazilië (108 stuks totaal).

De Gripen E wordt inderdaad gebouwd, maar er is niets boventallig (surplus). De Hongaarse en Tsjechische Gripens kwamen allemaal uit voorraad die de Zweedse luchtmacht buiten gebruik hadden gesteld.

Het is in ieder geval een ommekeer voor Ierland als zij dit allemaal serieus overwegen. Misschien doet Nieuw-Zeeland dat in de toekomst ook ooit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 03/07/2020 | 16:57 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 03/07/2020 | 16:38 uur
Dat zijn 2 van de mogelijkheden ja, een andere optie is om te kiezen voor een minder capable jet zoals de KAI T-50 of of de Alenia Aermacchi M-346 maar dan kan je ook wel minder en de Ieren ''willen'' nu een volledig inzetbare jet fighter. Waarschijnlijk zijn 2e hands toestellen (EF Typhoon / F-15 / F-18 / F-16 enz.) ook een optie.

De Gripen E/F is volgens mij gewoon in productie voor de Zweden (60 stuks) & Brazilië (36 stuks), ook ziet het er naar uit dat de productie voorlopig niet hoeft komen stil te staan met nog een wens van 10 extra stuks voor Zweden + nog eens 2 batches van 36 stuks voor Brazilië (108 stuks totaal).

We moeten natuurlijk niet vergeten dat het leasen van 14 Gripen's ook niet goedkoop is; De Tsjechen leasde in 2005 14 Gripen C/D's (Ex-Zweedse luchtmacht) voor 780 miljoen Euro voor een tijd van 10 jaar.

Ga je dat bedrag omrekenen naar 2020 dan kom je al boven de 1 miljard Euro uit, wil je dan nog splinter nieuwe kisten dan zal dit bedrag nog iets hoger uitvallen.
De vraag is of kopen niet goedkoper is, op de korte termijn niet maar op de lange termijn natuurlijk wel.

Een Gripen E kost ongeveer 87 miljoen Euro per stuk wat uitkomt op een aankoop bedrag van 1,2 miljard Euro. Daarbovenop komen nog de opleidings, onderhouds en overige kosten.

Beide opties zullen enorm zwaar drukken op het kleine defensie budget van Ierland (780 miljoen EUR in 2020) van slechts 0,27% BBP.
Volgens mij is Botswana ook nog in de race voor een kleine order tussen de 8 en 12 toestellen ....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 03/07/2020 | 17:06 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 03/07/2020 | 16:56 uur
Tweedehands is een optie, mits het een veel gebruikte type is.

De Gripen E wordt inderdaad gebouwd, maar er is niets boventallig (surplus). De Hongaarse en Tsjechische Gripens kwamen allemaal uit voorraad die de Zweedse luchtmacht buiten gebruik hadden gesteld.

Het is in ieder geval een ommekeer voor Ierland als zij dit allemaal serieus overwegen. Misschien doet Nieuw-Zeeland dat in de toekomst ook ooit.

Ja als ze dit serieus doorzetten maar dat vraagt naast aanpassing van het budget ook een compleet vernieuwde Air Corps opzet en aanpassingen aan de enigste luchtmachtbasis die ze hebben (Casement Aerodrome).

Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 03/07/2020 | 16:57 uur
Volgens mij is Botswana ook nog in de race voor een kleine order tussen de 8 en 12 toestellen ....

Volgens de wikipedia is dat een van de potentiële partijen die de Gripen E wilt aankopen maar er is nog niks getekend. Alleen Zweden en Brazilië hebben nog maar een totaal bestelling van 96 Gripen E/F's geplaatst de rest is afwachten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/07/2020 | 17:36 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 03/07/2020 | 16:56 uur
Tweedehands is een optie, mits het een veel gebruikte type is.


Aangezien de hoofdtaak QRA zal zijn, zou ik mij kunnen voorstellen dat 1 squadron (16 kisten totaal) Eurofighter Typhoon tranche 1 geen kostbare aanschaf zal zijn. De originele gebruikers willen er al weer voor een deel van af. Exploitatie is dan wel weer een kostbaar dingetje. Logistiek zou het wel een handige keuze zijn gezien de buurman die tot de intrede van Tempest (if ever) met dit model blijft vliegen.

Je wil een TU-160 wel kunnen onderscheppen  ;D

Willen ze een Multi-role kist, dan liggen F16 of Gripen voor de hand.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 03/07/2020 | 19:44 uur
Government considering purchase of military jet aircraft

Unlike most EU countries, Ireland cannot secure its airspace by intercepting high-speed aircraft

The Government is considering the purchase of military jet aircraft that would have the capacity to intercept high-altitude planes and fully police Irish skies.

A new five-year Defence Forces investment strategy document has said that "future projects at a preplanning stage" include the potential for "air combat interceptors".

Such aircraft are designed to scramble quickly when there is a need to intercept unwelcome or unidentified planes which could include foreign military or hijacked airliners.

Although no decisions have been made on whether to pursue such high-end military hardware, it would require a major financial commitment potentially running into hundreds of millions of euro.

Expensive ground radar equipment would also be required to detect encroaching traffic in Irish airspace.

"Consideration of Air Combat Interceptors would be dependent on additional funding," the Defence Forces – Equipment Development Plan 2020-24 document, published on Friday, states.

High-speed aircraft
Unlike most EU countries, Ireland does not have the capacity to fully secure its airspace by intercepting high-speed aircraft.

A Defence Forces spokesman said "such a capability is being kept under review, and is based on threat assessment, but budget has not been allocated for this at this time. Such an aircraft would be capable of policing all airborne craft in Irish sovereign airspace, particularly those that are fast moving."

A spokeswoman for the Department of Defence said it is a "proposal that needs to be developed and scoped out".

"The assessment would consider the demands that may be made of such interceptors and the military capabilities it would be expected to be able to supply, together with the associated technical specification and capability requirements.

"This utility would have to be assessed against the significant investment of public funds, in respect of the initial investment and ongoing operational costs."

The Air Corps has previously used both the De Havilland Vampire, a British jet fighter, and the French-designed Fouga Magister jet trainer aircraft. It also continues to operate the Ministerial Air Transport Service jet aircraft; however, the type of plane under consideration would represent a major upgrade in technology.

Earlier this year Maj Gen Ralph James, who retired as head of the Air Corps in 2015, said the State would need about 16 jet fighters with three crews each to implement a full air-defence capability.

Certification
He said each pilot would need up to 400 hours behind the controls of the jet before earning fast-response certification. A jet programme of this kind would likely cost well in excess of €1 billion.

Any such cost would impact the decision-making process – particularly given the cost to the State of the Covid-19 crisis.

In 2017, Fianna Fáil Senator Mark Daly noted in the Dáil that the public would "abhor spending €50 million or €100 million on jets that would have no real value in the long run".

However, the question of airspace security is not academic. Last March, a number of Russian Tupolev TU-95 "Bear" bombers, also used as long-range maritime patrol planes, entered Irish airspace.

In response, six Royal Air Force Typhoons were scrambled from bases in Scotland and England and headed towards counties Derry and Donegal to intercept, forcing them to alter course.

Quick-reaction aircraft from Nato allies Norway and France also took part in the response.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/government-considering-purchase-of-military-jet-aircraft-1.4289801
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/07/2020 | 08:53 uur
Air Force Closing in on 250th F-35A

https://www.airforcemag.com/air-force-closing-in-on-250th-f-35a/

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A Defense Contract Management Agency pilot taxis a U.S. Air Force F-35A Lightning II after landing at Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska, on June 25, 2020. Air Force photo by Senior Airman Kahdija Slaughter.

https://www.airforcemag.com/air-force-closing-in-on-250th-f-35a/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/07/2020 | 11:22 uur
KAI plans to roll out first KF-X prototype in April 2021

06 JULY 2020

by Gabriel Dominguez

South Korean aerospace and defence company Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) has revealed that it plans to roll out the first prototype of its Korean Fighter eXperimental (KF-X) multirole fighter aircraft in April 2021.

In the latest edition of its monthly Fly Together magazine the company released an image showing the prototype's fuselage, which was assembled at KAI's facilities in Sacheon. No further details were provided about the programme but Janes understands that the prototype is expected to conduct its first flight in 2022.

The performance of the KF-X, which is on order for the Republic of Korea Air Force (RoKAF), is expected to improve with each 'Block', with the development programme envisaging the production of six Block 0 prototypes, followed by four years of trials and the completion of development by mid-2026.

The first mass-produced KF-X aircraft, which will be part of Block 1, are expected between 2026 and 2028. They will be equipped with limited air-to-ground weapons in addition to air-to-air weapons.

On the other hand the Block 2 KF-Xs, which will be series-produced from 2029, will be capable of performing full air-to-air and air-to-ground combat missions.

Meanwhile, officials from South Korea's Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) told Janes on 6 July that the country's Agency for Defense Development (ADD), in co-operation with Hanwha Systems, is expecting to complete development of an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar for the KF-X by mid-August.

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An image showing the fuselage of the first KF-X prototype at KAI's assembly facility in Sacheon. The company has revealed that it plans to roll out the first protype aircraft in April 2021. (KAI)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/kai-plans-to-roll-out-first-kf-x-prototype-in-april-2021
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/07/2020 | 13:27 uur
Raytheon missiles receives modification contract to provide AIM-9X Block II missiles to US

According to a contract released by the U.S. DoD (Department of Defense) on July 6, 2020, Raytheon Missiles and Defense, Tucson, Arizona, is awarded a $34,749,670 modification (P00011) to previously-awarded fixed-price-incentive-firm contract N00019-18-C-1068 for AIM-9X Block II all up round tactical missiles.

This modification provides for the production and delivery of 58 additional Lot 20 AIM-9X Block II all up round tactical missiles (29 for the Navy and 29 for the Air Force); an additional 61 Block II Captive Air Training Missiles (one for the Navy and 60 for the Air Force); an additional 35 all up round containers (12 for the Navy and 23 for the Air Force); and one lot of spares assets for the governments of Finland, Israel, the Netherlands, Norway, Singapore, Turkey and Poland.

The AIM-9X® Sidewinder missile is a triple-threat missile that can be used for air-to-air engagements, surface-attack and surface-launch missions without modifications. A U.S. Navy-led, joint program with the U.S. Air Force, the AIM-9X Sidewinder also has 24 Foreign Military Sales partners. The advanced infrared-tracking, short-range missile is combat proven in several theaters around the world.

The AIM-9X missile is configured for easy installation on a wide range of modern aircraft, including the F-15 Strike Eagle, F-16 Fighting Falcon, F/A-18 Super Hornet, E/A-18G Growler, F-22 Raptor and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. It's used on the U.S. Army's Indirect Fire Protection Capability Program on the multi-mission launcher.

The AIM-9X Block II missile adds a redesigned fuze and a digital ignition safety device to improve handling and in-flight safety. It's equipped with updated electronics, including a lock-on-after-launch capability using a new weapon datalink to support beyond visual range engagements.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2020/july/8700-raytheon-missiles-receives-modification-contract-to-provide-aim-9x-block-ii-missiles-to-us.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/07/2020 | 09:17 uur
Stop buying Turkey's F-35 parts, lawmakers tell DoD

A bipartisan group of lawmakers is urging the Pentagon to more quickly stop buying F-35 fighter jet components from Turkey.

Sens. James Lankford, R-Okla.; Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H.; Thom Tillis, R-N.C.; and Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., complained in a letter to Defense Secretary Mark Esper on July 6 that the Pentagon's plans to buy parts from Turkey into 2022 undercuts U.S. pressure on the country over its purchase of the Russian S-400 Triumf air defense system.

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https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2020/07/07/stop-buying-turkeys-f-35-parts-already-lawmakers-tell-dod/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/07/2020 | 13:26 uur
@GarethJennings3

Citaat.@Saab release a couple of rather nice #Gripen E images to mark commencement of national production in #Brazil.

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https://twitter.com/GarethJennings3/status/1280488281344561152

Edit. Foto's komen oorspronkelijk van onderstaand bericht.

Saab starts Gripen Production in Brazil

PRESS RELEASE

07 July 2020

Saab Aeronáutica Montagens (SAM), Saab's first aerostructures plant outside of Sweden for the new Gripen E/F fighter, reaches another important milestone with the start of production. This site builds sections of Gripen, which will then be delivered to the final assembly facilities at the Embraer plant in Gavião Peixoto, São Paulo, Brazil and to Linköping, Sweden.

In 2014, Saab signed a contract with Brazilian government for the development and production of 36 Gripen E/F aircraft. In September last year, the first Brazilian Gripen E aircraft was delivered to start the flight test programme. Now, another milestone is reached, as Gripen production starts at the SAM plant, which is located in São Bernardo do Campo, a city in the metropolitan area of São Paulo in Brazil.

The tail cone and front fuselage of the single-seat version of the Gripen fighter are the first aerostructures to enter into production at SAM. Subsequently, the aerodynamic brakes, rear fuselage, wing box and front fuselage for the two-seater version will also be manufactured at SAM.

"This is another outcome of the Transfer of Technology (ToT) of the Gripen programme. Based on theoretical and practical on-the-job training of Brazilian engineers and assemblers at Saab in Linköping, we were able to establish a highly qualified production line at SAM, following the same standards that we have in our factory in Sweden," says Jonas Hjelm, head of Saab's business area Aeronautics.

Currently, SAM has more than 70 highly qualified employees, half of whom are participating or have already participated in the ToT Programme in Sweden. Part of these employees have already completed the training and returned to initiate the production in Brazil.

https://saabgroup.com/media/news-press/news/2020-07/saab-starts-gripen-production-in-brazil/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 08/07/2020 | 19:58 uur


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/07/2020 | 08:38 uur
Austria to retain Eurofighters, retire Saab 105s

07 JULY 2020

by Gareth Jennings

Austria is to retain its Eurofighter combat aircraft in service at the same time as retiring its Saab 105 jet trainers, the country's defence minister announced.

Defence Minister Klaudia Tanner said on 6 July that the Austrian Air Force's (Osterreichische Luftstreitkrafte) 15 Tranche 1 Eurofighters will remain until at least as long as the current contract with Airbus runs, while its 12-remaining Saab 105OEs will be withdrawn from 2021 as pilot training moves overseas.

Austria has for some years been looking to retire the Eurofighters it bought in 2003 for EUR1.75 billion (USD2.7 billion at the time), and replace them with a cheaper to operate aircraft. Although already truncated from a planned 24 (with options up to 30) aircraft for cost reasons, the deal was the largest procurement in the country's history. Added to this initial outlay were persistent complaints from senior air force officials that operating costs were to high to sustain operations (USD73,000 per hour was one figure given, although this was disputed by Eurofighter).

According to national media, Tanner has decided to retain the Eurofighters it received between 2007 and 2009 as it would be prohibitively expensive to withdraw from the contract with Airbus (though the minister did not disclose when this contract is scheduled to terminate).

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While Austria had been looking to replace its 15 Eurofighters with a cheaper aircraft, the country's defence minister has said the fleet will be retained as it would be too costly to exit the contract with Airbus. (Eurofighter)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/austria-to-retain-eurofighters-retire-saab-105s
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/07/2020 | 08:39 uur
Japan aiming to start production of new fighter aircraft in FY 2031

08 JULY 2020

by Kosuke Takahashi

The Japan Ministry of Defense (MoD) has proposed to members of the country's National Diet (parliament) that series-production of a next-generation multirole fighter aircraft to replace the Japan Air-Self-Defense Force's (JASDF's) Mitsubishi F-2 should start in fiscal year 2031 (FY 2031).

Documents obtained by Janes on 8 July show that the MoD aims to start prototype production in FY 2024, which will be followed by flight tests from FY 2028 ahead of the start of mass production three years later. The ministry plans to begin formally deploying the new aircraft around 2035, which is when the F-2s are scheduled to be retired.

The documents also show that work on the conceptual design of the aircraft, along with determining the weight and the thrust of the engine(s), is expected to begin by the end of FY 2020. A total of JPY11.1 billion (USD103.2 million) has been earmarked for initial design costs.

Moreover, Tokyo is planning to select a company to manufacture the aircraft's fuselage by the end of January 2021, at the latest.

The MoD has reiterated that it will pursue a Japan-led development of the new fighter, which is widely expected to feature two engines, with the possibility of international collaboration. In this context Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) is almost certain to lead local participation, with engagement on propulsion led by IHI Corporation.

Some of the ministry's priorities for the new aircraft are that it features stealth and electronic warfare capabilities, sensors with advanced detection capabilities, and inter-operability with the US military.

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In December 2019 the MoD in Tokyo released this 'conceptual image' of the new fighter aircraft. (Japanese MoD)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/japan-aiming-to-start-production-of-new-fighter-aircraft-in-fy-2031
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/07/2020 | 08:41 uur
Italy declares Eurofighter and Lightning II to be multirole platforms

08 JULY 2020

by Gareth Jennings

The Italian Air Force (Aeronautica Militare Italiana: AMI) has said both its Eurofighter and Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II fleets will be used for multirole operations, reversing its previously stated policy of restricting different types to particular roles.

Speaking at a 'virtual' NATO Iceland Air Policing event, a senior AMI officer said that, while the practise of limiting the Eurofighter to air defence and the Lightning II to ground attack previously made sense, the 'omnirole' capabilities of both meant that this was no longer the case.

"When we were receiving our first machines, it made sense to categorise them in terms of the aircraft they were replacing – so the F-16 [air defence] fighter [was] being replaced by the Eurofighter, and the [ground attack] Tornado and AMX [was] being replaced by the F-35. A division in this way was pretty straight-forward" Colonel Michele Cesario noted. "The reality now though is that these new aircraft are both omnirole [able to conduct air-to-air and air-to-surface missions simultaneously], and there is no use in limiting their roles."

The colonel's comments, which were made on 8 July during a NATO virtual press event to coincide with the AMI's second deployment of the F-35A to the Icelandic air policing mission, were the first official retraction of the previously-held policy that was spelled out to Janes

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Seen in June at the start of the latest deployment to Iceland, the Italian F-35 force will now be routinely used for air defence as well as ground attack duties. (Italian Air Force)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/italy-declares-eurofighter-and-lightning-ii-to-be-multirole-platforms
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/07/2020 | 14:19 uur
US approves sale of 105 F-35 Joint Strike Fighter aircraft to Japan

10 JULY 2020

by Kosuke Takahashi

The US Department of State has approved a potential USD23.11 billion Foreign Military Sale (FMS) to Japan of 105 Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter aircraft along with related equipment and services, the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) announced on 9 July.

Tokyo, which has already ordered 42 conventional take-off and landing (CTOL) F-35A aircraft, has requested to buy 63 more units of this variant along with 42 units of the short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) F-35B.

Also featured in the proposed deal, which still needs to be approved by the US Congress, are 110 Pratt & Whitney F135 afterburning turbofan engines, including five spares; electronic warfare systems; C4I systems, including navigation and identification; the Autonomic Logistics Global Support (ALGS) System and the Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS); a flight mission trainer; weapons employment capability, and other subsystems, features, and capabilities.

The potential sale also includes F-35-unique infrared flares; reprogramming centre access and F-35 performance-based logistics; software development and integration; flight test instrumentation; aircraft ferry and tanker support; spare and repair parts; support equipment, tools and test equipment; technical data and publications; personnel training and training equipment; US government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services; and other related elements of logistics support.

The DSCA stated that while the proposed sale will augment the operational aircraft inventory of the Japan Air Self-Defense Force (JASDF) and enhance its air-to-air and air-to-ground self-defence capabilities, it "will not alter the basic military balance in the region".

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A JASDF F-35A fighter aircraft. The US State Department has approved the potential sale of 105 F-35s to Japan, including 42 units of the F-35B variant. (JASDF)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/us-approves-sale-of-105-f-35-joint-strike-fighter-aircraft-to-japan
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/07/2020 | 15:33 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 10/07/2020 | 14:19 uur
Tokyo, which has already ordered 42 conventional take-off and landing (CTOL) F-35A aircraft, has requested to buy 63 more units of this variant along with 42 units of the short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) F-35B.

Ik vind het zeer aannemelijk dat Japan weer voor het eerst na de WW2 weer "vliegdekschepen" gaat gebruiken binnen hun Defensie.

Japan Takes First Steps Towards Refurbishment Of JMSDF Destroyer Izumo
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/12/japan-takes-first-steps-towards-refurbishment-of-jmsdf-destroyer-izumo/

Zullen de Izumo en Kaga met een ski-jump uitgerusten worden ??
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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/07/2020 | 15:50 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 10/07/2020 | 15:33 uur
Zullen de Izumo en Kaga met een ski-jump uitgerusten worden ??
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Dat is de hamvraag.

Overigens is het model de fictieve Ibuki.

https://www.tamiya.com/english/products/25413/index.htm
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/07/2020 | 16:09 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 10/07/2020 | 15:50 uur
Overigens is het model de fictieve Ibuki.
https://www.tamiya.com/english/products/25413/index.htm

I know ...  ;) ... wel mooi he  !   :big-smile:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/07/2020 | 14:13 uur
Spain to receive new Eurofighters under Project 'Halcon'

10 JULY 2020

by Gareth Jennings

Spain is set to receive new Eurofighter combat aircraft to augment its existing fleet and to begin the process of replacing its Boeing EF-18 Hornet fleet.

The proposed deal that the government is currently negotiating with Airbus, announced on 9 July, will involve an initial 20 Eurofighters being delivered to the Spanish Air Force (Ejército del Aire Español [EdAE]) to replace Hornets based on the Canary Islands.

The deal, which Airbus told Janes is expected to be signed in 2021, would be the first part of a wider plan to retire the service's Hornets with the latest-standard Eurofighters between 2025 and 2030, dubbed Project 'Halcon' (Falcon).

As previously described to Janes, these Tranche 3+/Tranche 4 Eurofighters (company officials have used both designations) would be of the latest Tranche 3 standard, and will also feature an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar and other modifications. For Spain, the AESA would be 'Radar 1', development of which is being led by Hensoldt and Indra.

This new Eurofighter procurement and the retirement of the Hornets is part of a wider modernisation plan for the EdAE's combat fleet that is called Road Map 2035++.

The EdAE currently fields 73 Eurofighters, comprising 19 Tranche 1, 34 Tranche 2, and 20 Tranche 3 aircraft, as well as 91 EF-18A and EF-18B Hornets. The Road Map 2035++ seeks to manage these fleets out to, and beyond, the introduction of the New-Generation Fighter that Spain is to develop alongside France and Germany as part of the wider Future Combat Air System (FCAS).

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Spain looks set to increase its Eurofighter fleet under Project 'Halcon', with a contract for an initial 20 aircraft anticipated to be signed-off in 2021. (Eurofighter)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/spain-to-receive-new-eurofighters-under-project-halcon
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/07/2020 | 08:44 uur
DAF awards contract for first lot of F-15EX fighter aircraft

By Secretary of the Air Force Public Affairs / Published July 13, 2020

WASHINGTON (AFNS) --
The Department of the Air Force has awarded a nearly $1.2 billion contract for its first lot of eight F-15EX fighter aircraft.

The contract, awarded to Boeing, provides for the design, development, integration, manufacturing, test, verification, certification, delivery, sustainment and modification of F-15EX aircraft, including spares, support equipment, training materials, technical data and technical support.

The F-15EX will replace the oldest F-15C/Ds in the service's inventory. Eight F-15EX aircraft were approved in the fiscal year 2020 budget and 12 were requested in the FY21 budget. The Air Force plans to purchase a total of 76 F-15EX aircraft over the five-year Future Years Defense Program.

"The F-15EX is the most affordable and immediate way to refresh the capacity and update the capabilities provided by our aging F-15C/D fleets," said Gen. Mike Holmes, commander of Air Combat Command. "The F-15EX is ready to fight as soon as it comes off the line."

The F-15EX is a two-seat fighter with U.S.-only capabilities. It features a deep magazine that can carry a load of advanced weapons. The platform also requires minimal transitional training or additional manpower and little to no infrastructure changes, ensuring the continuation of the mission.

"When delivered, we expect bases currently operating the F-15 to transition to the new EX platform in a matter of months versus years," Holmes said.

The most significant difference between the F-15EX and legacy F-15s lies in its Open Mission Systems (OMS) architecture. The OMS architecture will enable the rapid insertion of the latest aircraft technologies. The F-15EX will also have fly-by-wire flight controls, a new electronic warfare system, advanced cockpit systems, and the latest mission systems and software capabilities available for legacy F-15s.

"The F-15EX's digital backbone, open mission systems, and generous payload capacity fit well with our vision for future net-enabled warfare," said Dr. Will Roper, assistant secretary of the Air Force for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics. "Continually upgrading systems, and how they share data across the Joint Force, is critical for defeating advanced threats. F-15EX is designed to evolve from day one."

The first eight F-15EX aircraft will be fielded at Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, to support testing efforts. The delivery of the first two aircraft is scheduled for the second quarter of FY21. The remaining six aircraft are scheduled to deliver in FY23. The Air Force is using the Strategic Basing Process to determine the fielding locations for subsequent aircraft lots.

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The Department of the Air Force awarded a nearly $1.2 billion contract for its first lot of eight F-15EX fighter aircraft, July 13, 2020. The contract, awarded to Boeing, provides for the design, development, integration, manufacturing, test, verification, certification, delivery, sustainment, and modification of F-15EX aircraft, including spares, support equipment, training materials, technical data, and technical support. (U.S. Air Force courtesy photo)

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2272575/daf-awards-contract-for-first-lot-of-f-15ex-fighter-aircraft/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/07/2020 | 14:47 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/07/2020 | 14:26 uur
KF-X project on track but concerns grow about Indonesian involvement

16 JULY 2020

by Jon Grevatt

Technicians from Indonesian aerospace firm PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI) will soon be rejoining counterparts from Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) to undertake work on developing the Korean Fighter eXperimental (KF-X) multirole fighter aircraft, Janes has learnt.

PTDI technicians on the KF-X project – known as KF-X/IF-X in Indonesia – returned to Indonesia from South Korea in March when the Covid-19 epidemic was at its peak in the Northeast Asian country. An industry source has confirmed to Janes that these technicians are now "currently preparing to redeploy".

Janes understands that at the end of 2019 the total number of PTDI technicians on the KF-X project in South Korea was about 100, with their work mainly focused on aircraft design and manufacturing processes. Their redeployment will be framed against requirements for social distancing and other Covid-19-related guidelines.

The move to re-engage PTDI technicians on the project comes against a background of progress on the development of KF-X prototypes but also continuing delays in efforts to reach a compromise on the scope of Indonesian financial participation in the programme. Another factor that could have an impact on Indonesia's involvement are some concerns in Jakarta about the strategic value of its involvement.

KAI has confirmed that assembly of the first KF-X prototype is scheduled to be finalised in the second half of 2020, with a view to rolling out the aircraft in April 2021. The schedules confirm that the KF-X programme has not been affected by Covid-19 and is on track to start mass production in the mid-2020s.

However, Janes

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An artist's impression of the KF-X fighter aircraft. The first KF-X prototype is scheduled to be rolled out in April 2021. (DAPA)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/kf-x-project-on-track-but-concerns-grow-about-indonesian-involvement
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/07/2020 | 08:32 uur
Indonesia approaches Austria for potential sale of Eurofighter Typhoons (zie ook artikel post #4390)

20 JULY 2020

by Ridzwan Rahmat

Indonesian Defence Minister Prabowo Subianto has written to his Austrian counterpart, Klaudia Tanner, expressing an interest in acquiring Eurofighter Typhoon multirole fighter aircraft from the latter.

The Austrian Air Force operates a fleet of 15 Typhoons, which achieved operational capability in mid-2008.

"To achieve my target to modernising [sic] the Indonesian Air Force, I would, therefore, like to propose to enter into official deliberations with you, your excellency, on purchasing all 15 Eurofighter Typhoon from Austria for the air force of the Republic of Indonesia," said Prabowo in his letter dated 10 July.

In the letter, a copy of which was sent electronically to Janes on 19 July, the Indonesian defence minister also alluded to apparent service issues faced by the Austrian Air Force on its Typhoons.

Since entering service, budgetary constraints have limited usage of the aircraft use to just 1,500 hours per year across all airframes. As such, Austrian Typhoon pilots fly just 70–80 flight hours annually, instead of the planned 110 hours. The NATO standard for combat pilots is 180 flight hours per year, according to Janes All the World's Aircraft.


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Austria's first Typhoon, which landed in the country in 2007. (Austrian Air Force)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/indonesia-approaches-austria-for-potential-sale-of-eurofighter-typhoons
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/07/2020 | 08:34 uur
UK expands Tempest industrial team

20 JULY 2020

by Gareth Jennings

The United Kingdom has expanded its industry team developing the Tempest future fighter aircraft, with a further seven national companies revealed on 20 July and more set to follow.

Announced to coincide with what would have been the opening day of the Farnborough International Airshow, project-lead BAE Systems noted that the additional companies had been signed-up to progress opportunities to work on future combat air concepts and underpinning technologies across Team Tempest.

"The companies involved include Bombardier Belfast, Collins Aerospace in the UK, GE Aviation UK, GKN Aerospace, Martin-Baker, QinetiQ, and Thales UK. This is the first phase of organisations to sign such agreements, with more to be announced," BAE Systems said.

When the UK revealed its Combat Air Strategy (CAS) at the Farnborough International Air Show in 2018, a main pillar of this strategy was the FCAS Technology Initiative (FCAS TI), in which resided 'Team Tempest'. This team comprised the Royal Air Force (RAF) Rapid Capabilities Office (RCO), BAE Systems (air systems), Leonardo UK (sensors and communications), MBDA UK (effectors), and Rolls-Royce (propulsion), with SecureCloud+ (information systems) being added later.

Italy's inclusion in the project in September 2019 added the wider Leonardo company, while MBDA UK was joined by MBDA Italy, with Elettronica Group and Avio Aero also joining the effort. While Sweden is part of the wider FCAS, it currently has no direct national or industrial participation in the Tempest project.

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With the Tempest future fighter set to enter service in the 2030s, the UK has added a further seven companies to the industry effort and has plans to add more still. (Crown Copyright)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/uk-expands-tempest-industrial-team
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/07/2020 | 08:36 uur
Sweden firms up FCAS partnership with UK, but no commitment to Tempest

20 JULY 2020

by Gareth Jennings

Sweden has firmed up its memorandum of understanding (MOU) with the UK on the Future Combat Air System (FCAS) programme, although there remains no commitment to join the Tempest future fighter project.

The firming-up of the FCAS MOU, announced on what should have been the opening day of the cancelled Farnborough International Air Show on 20 July, will see Saab establish an in-country 'centre-of-excellence' as part of a wider GBP50 million (USD63 million) investment in the partnership.

"Saab took the decision to create a new FCAS centre so that we can further develop the close working relationship with the other FCAS industrial partners and the UK Ministry of Defence. This emphasises the importance of both FCAS and the United Kingdom to Saab's future," Micael Johansson, President and CEO of Saab, said, with the company adding that the location of the new centre is currently being considered.

This development comes 12 months after the then-UK defence minister Stuart Andrew and Swedish defence minister Peter Hultqvist signed an MOU in July 2019 for both nations to work together in developing future combat aviation technologies.

Commentators described the original MOU as Sweden having joined the Tempest fighter that is part of the wider FCAS project, and this latest announcement as a firming-up of that earlier commitment. However, it should be noted that Hultqvist was keen to dispel any notion of Sweden having signed-up to Tempest at the original MOU signing, and the word 'Tempest' is completely absent from Saab's latest statement.

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Sweden has firmed-up with partnership with the UK on developing future combat aviation technologies under the FCAS programme. While the Tempest future fighter (pictured) forms a part of FCAS, Sweden has not yet committed to joining that particular aspect of the wider project. (BAE Systems)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/sweden-firms-up-fcas-partnership-with-uk-but-no-commitment-to-tempest
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/07/2020 | 22:50 uur
Indian Air Force expects delivery of first five Rafale fighters in late July

21 JULY 2020

by Gabriel Dominguez

The Indian Air Force (IAF) is expecting delivery of the first five of 36 Dassault Rafale multirole fighter aircraft before the end of July, according to a 20 July statement by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) in New Delhi.

The aircraft are expected to be inducted at Ambala Air Force Station (AFS) in northern India on 29 July "subject to [the] weather", said the MoD, adding that no media coverage is planned on arrival.

The final induction ceremony will take place in the second half of August.

"IAF aircrew and ground crew have undergone comprehensive training on the aircraft, including its highly advanced weapon systems, and are fully operational now. Post arrival, efforts will focus on operationalisation of the aircraft at the earliest," added the MoD.

India ordered 36 Rafales in 2016 for EUR7.9 billion (USD9.04 billion) and took delivery of the first of these fighters in a ceremony held in France in October 2019.

This aircraft was initially expected to be one of four Rafales to be ferried to Ambala AFS in April or May for induction into the IAF's 17 'Golden Arrows' squadron, which is set to operate a total of 18 Rafales. The delivery, however, was delayed as a result of the Covid-19 coronavirus pandemic.

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France's Dassault Aviation in October 2019 released images of the second of 36 Rafale aircraft ordered for the IAF in September 2016. (Dassault Aviation/G. Gosset)

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/07/2020 | 14:51 uur
GKN Aerospace Sweden joins UK and Italy feasibility studies on future fighter engine tech

22 JULY 2020

by Gareth Jennings

GKN Aerospace Sweden announced on 22 July that it is to participate with partner industries in Italy and the UK in feasibility studies on future fighter engine technology development.

The announcement, made during the virtual Farnborough International Air Show, is part of a wider firming-up of Sweden's memorandum of understanding (MOU) with the UK on the Future Combat Air System (FCAS) programme that was signed in July 2019.

"Air combat capabilities are designated by Sweden as a national security interest. Through a joint technology development, the Swedish aviation industry will be able to build and sustain its continuous development of competencies and capabilities in a cost-effective way. GKN Aerospace was contracted in Q1 2020 by FMV [Swedish defence procurement agency] to conduct a study on collaboration with Rolls-Royce on technology development of the future fighter engine," the company said, adding that it and Saab are the two Swedish companies participating in the technology studies.

As noted in its announcement, GKN Aerospace Sweden has a long history of developing engine technology, and currently holds the type certificate for the General Electric (GE) F404 turbofan-derived Volvo Aero RM12 engine in the Saab JAS 39 Gripen C/D, and has recently been selected as the supplier for product support also for the RM16 engine in Gripen E/F.

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GKN Aerospace Sweden announced on 22 July it had joined UK and Italian feasibility studies on future fighter jet engine technology. (GKN Aerospace)

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 22/07/2020 | 15:32 uur
Ik denk dat we niet raar moeten staan kijken als de Zweden straks gewoon weer een eigen fighter gaan bouwen maar wel met technologie van de Tempest.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 22/07/2020 | 16:26 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 22/07/2020 | 15:32 uur
Ik denk dat we niet raar moeten staan kijken als de Zweden straks gewoon weer een eigen fighter gaan bouwen maar wel met technologie van de Tempest.
Zou stoer en bewonderenswaardig zijn, mocht dat lukken. Een nieuw vliegtuig ontwikkelen, dat zal de Zweden nog wel lukken. Dat zal ons ook nog wel lukken als we echt de schouders er onder zouden zetten en geld is even geen issue. Een ding bouwen dat vliegt is een, maar zo'n toestel te laten mee komen in de vaart der volkeren, dat lijkt mij een brug te ver.

Het lijkt mij zeer sterk dat de Zweden, in hun eentje, een straaljager kunnen maken dat zou kunnen wedijveren met een F-18E/F Super Hornet, laat staan met een F-35.
De F-35 gaat de standaard worden voor de komende 30 jaar, om over 10 jaar af te komen met een toestel dat kwam techniek al verouderd is t.o.v. een F-35 nu, ik zie daar het nut niet van in.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/07/2020 | 16:40 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 22/07/2020 | 16:26 uur
Het lijkt mij zeer sterk dat de Zweden, in hun eentje, een straaljager kunnen maken dat zou kunnen wedijveren met een F-18E/F Super Hornet, laat staan met een F-35.
De F-35 gaat de standaard worden voor de komende 30 jaar, om over 10 jaar af te komen met een toestel dat kwam techniek al verouderd is t.o.v. een F-35 nu, ik zie daar het nut niet van in.

Saab ontwierp tot nu toe wat voldoet aan de eisen van de Zweedse luchtmacht. Wil de Zweedse luchtmacht weer een licht jachtvliegtuig zoals de Gripen of misschien toch iets groter?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 22/07/2020 | 16:46 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 22/07/2020 | 16:26 uur
Zou stoer en bewonderenswaardig zijn, mocht dat lukken. Een nieuw vliegtuig ontwikkelen, dat zal de Zweden nog wel lukken. Dat zal ons ook nog wel lukken als we echt de schouders er onder zouden zetten en geld is even geen issue. Een ding bouwen dat vliegt is een, maar zo'n toestel te laten mee komen in de vaart der volkeren, dat lijkt mij een brug te ver.

Het lijkt mij zeer sterk dat de Zweden, in hun eentje, een straaljager kunnen maken dat zou kunnen wedijveren met een F-18E/F Super Hornet, laat staan met een F-35.
De F-35 gaat de standaard worden voor de komende 30 jaar, om over 10 jaar af te komen met een toestel dat kwam techniek al verouderd is t.o.v. een F-35 nu, ik zie daar het nut niet van in.

Bij de huidige fighter jets gaat een groot deel van de kosten naar de sensoren en andere hypermoderne systemen dus als je daar al gebruik van kan maken in een samenwerkingsverband dan bespaar je al veel kosten (motoren/ sensoren).  Ik ga er vanuit dat de Zweden op zo een soort manier willen samenwerken met team Tempest.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 22/07/2020 | 23:22 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 22/07/2020 | 16:40 uur
Saab ontwierp tot nu toe wat voldoet aan de eisen van de Zweedse luchtmacht. Wil de Zweedse luchtmacht weer een licht jachtvliegtuig zoals de Gripen of misschien toch iets groter?
Ja, zou kunnen, maar wat kan Zweden met een next level Gripen? Een luchtmacht van Mexico, Chili, Zuid-Afrika, Sri Lanka kunnen met gemak uit de voeten met een Gripen of een nieuwe F-16. Maar zit je in een gebied waar de dreiging van een mogendheid die iets geavanceerder is en/ of je wilt op nog weleens op safari gaan met Amerikanen en andere NAVO partners dan heb je toch wel iets meer nodig dan dat.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/07/2020 | 08:32 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 22/07/2020 | 23:22 uur
Ja, zou kunnen, maar wat kan Zweden met een next level Gripen? Een luchtmacht van Mexico, Chili, Zuid-Afrika, Sri Lanka kunnen met gemak uit de voeten met een Gripen of een nieuwe F-16. Maar zit je in een gebied waar de dreiging van een mogendheid die iets geavanceerder is en/ of je wilt op nog weleens op safari gaan met Amerikanen en andere NAVO partners dan heb je toch wel iets meer nodig dan dat.

Als de Zweedse luchtmacht als Gripen opvolger geen licht jachtvliegtuig meer wil en de Tempest blijkt betaalbaar te zijn voor Zweden, dan blijft er voor Saab weinig reden over om een eigen ontwerp te gaan bouwen. Saab is dan compleet afhankelijk van export. Veel zal afhangen van de Zweedse vervangingseisen en wensen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 23/07/2020 | 11:30 uur
Saab ontwikkelt echt niet wat de Zweedse luchtmacht wil hoor, zo'n instelling zou gedoemd zijn tot faillissement.
Saab ontwikkelt een relevant toestel met de Zweedse Luchtmacht als hoofdgebruiker, testbed en investeerder. Dit kan omdat er in Zweden een enorm goede samenwerking is tussen Indrustrie en Defensie en kennisinstituten, een beetje hetzelfde als wij in NL met de Marinebouw hebben. Ook onze fregatten worden gebouwd met oog op omgeving en export.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 23/07/2020 | 12:19 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 23/07/2020 | 11:30 uur
Saab ontwikkelt echt niet wat de Zweedse luchtmacht wil hoor, zo'n instelling zou gedoemd zijn tot faillissement.
Saab ontwikkelt een relevant toestel met de Zweedse Luchtmacht als hoofdgebruiker, testbed en investeerder. Dit kan omdat er in Zweden een enorm goede samenwerking is tussen Indrustrie en Defensie en kennisinstituten, een beetje hetzelfde als wij in NL met de Marinebouw hebben. Ook onze fregatten worden gebouwd met oog op omgeving en export.
Dat weet ik niet ...de Zweedse luchtmacht toch goed voor 160-200 vliegtuigen is de grootste klant als je die negeert als Saab
wat blijft er dan nog over ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 23/07/2020 | 16:12 uur
Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 23/07/2020 | 12:19 uur
Dat weet ik niet ...de Zweedse luchtmacht toch goed voor 160-200 vliegtuigen is de grootste klant als je die negeert als Saab
wat blijft er dan nog over ?

160 tot 200 stuks zijn niks. Om de kosten eruit te halen, met name innovatie, dienen grotere aantallen gehaald te worden. Athans in de huidige markt.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/07/2020 | 16:27 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 23/07/2020 | 16:12 uur
160 tot 200 stuks zijn niks. Om de kosten eruit te halen, met name innovatie, dienen grotere aantallen gehaald te worden. Athans in de huidige markt.

Het is wel wat met de JAS 39 A-D Gripen gebeurde. Bij de ontwikkeling werd in de jaren 80 nog geen rekening met export gehouden. dat gebeurde pas met de NATO compatible C/D variant. Toen had Zweden al 204 stuks geleverd gekregen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/07/2020 | 22:51 uur
UK, Italy and Sweden launch trilateral industrial discussion on FCAS

22 JULY 2020

by Gareth Jennings

The three nations so far signed up to partner on the Future Combat Air System Technology Initiative (FCAS TI) have begun industrial discussions on developing a "world-leading" combat aviation capability.

The prime companies from each of the nations – BAE Systems from the UK, Leonardo from Italy and Saab from Sweden – issued a joint statement on 22 July in which they noted that the framework would see the partners combine their expertise to collaborate in the development of the cutting-edge technologies required.

"Today's announcement builds on bilateral discussions which have taken place between the UK and Swedish and Italian industries and establishes a trilateral industry group. Together, the companies will assess common routes to future combat air capability using their know-how, expertise and technology development activities across current and future combat air systems," the statement, which was released during the virtual Farnborough International Airshow, said.

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A mock-up of the Tempest future fighter. The UK, Italy and Sweden are to enter into an industrial framework that would develop technology for the FCAS TI initiative that will feed into Tempest, and also to upgrade their current generation of Eurofighter and Gripen combat aircraft. (BAE Systems)

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Oorlogsvis op 24/07/2020 | 12:56 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 23/07/2020 | 16:12 uur
160 tot 200 stuks zijn niks. Om de kosten eruit te halen, met name innovatie, dienen grotere aantallen gehaald te worden. Athans in de huidige markt.
natuurlijk dat weet ik ...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/07/2020 | 09:55 uur
De F-15 is alweer 48 jaar geworden.

@Hankinstien (27-07-2020)

CitaatToday we celebrate the 48th birthday of the F-15 Eagle! The prototype YF-15A had its first flight on July 27, 1972 at Edwards AFB. The F-15 has gone on to become one of (if not the) most celebrated air superiority fighters and a powerful symbol of American #airpower

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/07/2020 | 13:08 uur
Boeing, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Partner on State of the Art Upgrades to Japan's F-15J fleet

TOKYO, July 28, 2020 - Boeing and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) recently signed a Direct Commercial Sale agreement to support upgrades to Japan's F-15J fleet.

The contract is part of a larger $4.5 billion modernization program, announced by the U.S. Government in October 2019. The upgrades will introduce state-of-the-art electronic warfare and weapons.  An all-new advanced cockpit system, running on the world's most advanced mission computer, will deliver pilots enhanced situational awareness.

Under the agreement, Boeing will provide MHI with retrofit drawings, ground support equipment and technical publications for the upgrade of the first two F-15J aircraft to the Japan Super Interceptor configuration.

Boeing has partnered with MHI in the defense arena since the 1950s. MHI produced under license the current Japan F-15J fleet of over 200 aircraft between 1980 and 2000, and will serve as prime contractor for the upgrade. Sojitz Corporation, a trading company that works with Boeing's team in Japan, will support this effort.

"Through this agreement, Boeing is honored to further our long-standing tradition of support for Japan's Ministry of Defense, the Japan Air Self-Defense Force, and MHI," said Will Shaffer, Boeing Japan President. "These upgrades will deliver critical capability for national and collective self-defense, in which the F-15J plays a key role. At the same time, they will provide MHI and our partners in Japan's aerospace defense industry with an opportunity to enhance their own extensive engineering capabilities."

This DCS contract lays the foundation of the modernization program. MHI will develop the detailed modification plan for the jets and prepare the facilities and workforce for the induction and upgrade of up to 98 aircraft beginning in 2022.

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Jul 28, 2020
Artist's rendering of upgraded JASDF F-15JSI (Boeing rendering)

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/07/2020 | 09:15 uur
First five of 36 Rafale fighter aircraft arrive in India

29 JULY 2020

by Rahul Bedi

The first five of 36 Dassault Rafale multirole fighter aircraft ordered for the Indian Air Force (IAF) in late 2016 for EUR7.9 billion (USD9.27 billion) landed at Ambala Air Force Station (AFS) in northern India on 29 July.

Officials told Janes that the five twin-engined fighters – three single-seat and two twin-seat aircraft–, which were flown by IAF pilots from Dassault's facility in Bordeaux–Mérignac, are expected to be formally inducted into the IAF's No 17 'Golden Arrow' Squadron at Ambala AFS in late August.

IAF officials told Janes that the remaining 13 aircraft required to complete the squadron will be delivered in batches over the next few months.

Thereafter, a second Rafale squadron comprising an equal number of fighters will be stationed at Hasimara AFS in north-eastern India close to the country's disputed border with China. These aircraft are set to be inducted into the IAF's No 101 'Falcons' Squadron, with all deliveries set to completed by mid-2022.

Indian Defence Minister Rajnath Singh tweeted that the arrival of the Rafales, which comes amid heightened tensions between New Delhi and Beijing over their disputed border along the Line of Actual Control (LoAC) in the Himalayas, "will make the IAF much stronger to deter any threat that may be posed to the country".

The weapons that will arm the Rafales have already been delivered to Ambala AFS by MBDA, and include the Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile, the MICA short/medium-range air-to-air missile and the Storm Shadow/SCALP ground-attack cruise missile.

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One of the 36 Dassault Rafale fighters ordered by the IAF undergoing a test flight in France. The first five such aircraft for the IAF arrived in India on 29 July. (Dassault Aviation/G. Gosset)

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/07/2020 | 08:39 uur
Indra formally joins FCAS alongside Airbus, Dassault

30 JULY 2020

by Gareth Jennings

Indra has formally joined the Future Combat Air System (FCAS)/Syst?me de Combat A?rien du Futur (SCAF) programme as the national lead for Spain, alongside Airbus for Germany and Dassault for France.

The milestone, announced on 29 July, sees the company join the Joint Concept Study (JCS) phase of the programme that was launched in February 2019, and comes some 11 months after the Spanish government appointed Indra to lead its efforts on the FCAS/SCAF programme in September 2019.

"Indra has signed a contractual amendment that positions the company as a contractor of the Joint Concept Study, along with the national coordinators of France (Dassault) and Germany (Airbus). The French [defence procurement] agency DGA has signed as the procurement entity acting on behalf of the defence ministries of France, Germany, and Spain," the company said in a statement, adding, "Indra thus cements its role as coordinator of Spanish industry in the programme and its representative to the industrial coordinators of France and Germany."

As noted in its announcement, Indra's formal introduction into the FCAS/SCAF JCS as Spain's national lead paves the way for the inclusion of other national companies, such as Airbus Spain, ITP Aero and SATNUS.

Its inclusion in the JCS phase will see Indra join the effort to investigate and define system capabilities and common architecture for the Next-Generation Weapon System (NGWS) that comprises the New Generation Fighter (NGF) and Remote Carrier (RC) unmanned 'loyal wingmen', as well as the networked Air Combat Cloud (ACC). This NGWS is the first of eight 'pillars' of the FCAS/SCAF programme.

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A full-scale mock-up of the New Generation Fighter concept was showcased by Dassault on the opening day of the Paris Air Show 2019. (Janes/Gareth Jennings)

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/07/2020 | 08:41 uur
F-15EX Could Replace Strike Eagle Fleet, in Addition to Older C/D Models, USAF Says

July 30, 2020 | By John A. Tirpak

The Air Force may replace its 218 F-15Es with F-15EXs, which could expand the new program to over 400 aircraft, according to service documents justifying the sole-source contract to Boeing. The Air Force also claims buying the F-15EX will save some $3 billion in military construction and support costs versus buying more advanced F-35s.

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https://www.airforcemag.com/f-15ex-could-replace-strike-eagle-fleet-in-addition-to-older-c-d-models-usaf-says/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/08/2020 | 10:17 uur
Government of Canada receives proposals to replace its fighter jets (drie kandidaten)

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-services-procurement/news/2020/07/government-of-canada-receives-proposals-to-replace-its-fighter-jets.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/08/2020 | 11:17 uur
@forsvaretdk (eerste Deense F-35A, AP-01, L-001)

CitaatDet første F-35-kampfly til @forsvaretdk er ved tage form på fabrikken i USA. Læs mere her: https://bit.ly/3gAHpGR
#dkforsvar

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https://twitter.com/forsvaretdk/status/1291301706911932417

Edit. Een artikel van f35.com

The First Danish F-35 Fighter Takes Shape

https://www.f35.com/news/detail/18398
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/08/2020 | 22:53 uur
US Air Force tests 'four ship' formation of F-16s with AESA radars

07 AUGUST 2020

by Pat Host

The US Air Force (USAF) on 2 July for the first time flew advanced Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars on four fighter aircraft in a 'four-ship' formation.

A combined development and operational test team successfully tested the new radar capability on four Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcons, according to a 3 August service statement. The Northrop Grumman AN/APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam (SABR) AESA radar equips the F-16s with fifth-generation radar capabilities similar to those found in Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptors and Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters (JSFs).

The radar is used in the suppression or destruction of enemy air defences, including targeting radars and surface-to-air missiles. It also improves existing air-to-air capabilities and enhances air-to-ground mapping.

"This capability allows us to target the northwest corner of a small building or the cockpit of an aircraft from several miles way, beyond line-of-sight," Jack Harman, 40th Flight Test Squadron F-16 fighter test pilot, was quoted by the USAF as saying. "[The radar] improves our ability to identify the threat prior to us being targeted. We no longer have to be inside a threat envelope in order to detect it".

By testing four AESA radars at the same time, the team assessed whether the aircraft experienced interference and evaluated if the signal improved or degraded while operating together.

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The US Air Force on 2 July tested next-generation AESA radars flying in a 'four-ship' formation of F-16s for the first time. The goal was to see if the radar signals improved or degraded while operating together. (US Air Force)

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/08/2020 | 22:55 uur
South Korea unveils indigenous AESA radar prototype for KF-X fighter

07 AUGUST 2020

by Dae Young Kim

South Korea has unveiled an indigenous active electronically scanned-array (AESA) radar prototype for use by the Republic of Korea Air Force's (RoKAF's) next-generation multirole fighter aircraft, which is being developed under the Korean Fighter eXperimental (KF-X) programme.

The radar, which has been under development since 2016 by South Korean company Hanwha Systems and the country's Agency for Defense Development (ADD), was unveiled in a ceremony held on 7 August, according to the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA).

The radar will now undergo further ground performance and installation tests before being integrated with the first KF-X prototype for further testing, said South Korean officials, adding that Elta Systems – a subsidiary of Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) – has collaborated on the programme and is assisting with the testing phase.

Very few details have emerged about the AESA radar, which officials have described as a "state-of-the-art system capable of detecting and tracking more than 1,000 targets simultaneously".

The latest developments come after South Korean aerospace and defence company Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) revealed in July that it plans to roll out the first KF-X prototype in April 2021. No further details were provided about the programme but Janes understands that the prototype is expected to conduct its first flight in 2022.

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South Korea unveiled a locally developed AESA radar prototype on 7 August for use by the country's next-generation multirole fighter aircraft under the KF-X programme. (DAPA)

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/08/2020 | 09:17 uur
Next-Gen Jammer Mid-Band pod takes first flight on Growler

Published: Aug 10, 2020

NAVAL AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND, PATUXENT RIVER, Md. -- The Navy's Next Generation Jammer Mid-Band (NGJ-MB) successfully completed its first mission systems flight with an EA-18G Growler at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland, Aug. 7.

"What an incredible day for the U.S. Navy, our Australian partners, and the Airborne Electronic Attack (AEA) community," said Capt. Michael Orr, AEA Systems (PMA-234) program manager. "We witnessed a successful first flight with the NGJ-MB capability fully integrated onto the EA-18G Growler, validating the last four years of development and the extensive efforts of these last several months in preparation. I'm extremely proud of the entire Government and industry team."

The first flight, conducted by Air Test and Evaluation Squadron (VX) 23, is a Safety of Flight (SOF) checkout that ensures the pods can be safely flown on the EA-18G aircraft for follow-on test flights.

"There was a lot of discussion on how the NGJ-MB pod would affect how the Growler handles and it was exciting to have the jet feel like any other flight," said Lt. Jonathan Williams, VX-23 test pilot. "We have a great test team to thank for making today happen and I look forward to seeing how the Growler team brings out the full potential of the NGJ-MB pod."

The NGJ-MB system, developed by Raytheon Intelligence and Space, is part of a larger NGJ system that will augment, and ultimately replace the legacy ALQ-99 Tactical Jamming System (TJS) currently used on the EA-18G Growler. NGJ-MB is an external jamming pod that will address advanced and emerging threats using the latest digital, software-based and Active Electronically Scanned Array technologies and will provide enhanced AEA capabilities to disrupt, deny and degrade enemy air defense and ground communication systems.

"The AEA community has been relying on the ALQ-99 TJS for decades," said Lt. Jonathon Parry, NGJ-MB Aeromechanical Project Officer. "Gone are the days of isolated Surface-to-Air Missile systems that operate on a small frequency spectrum and do not integrate into a larger Integrated Air Defense System. Modern adversaries are developing complex emitters that use advanced techniques to defeat legacy jamming. NGJ-MB will provide new capabilities to the fleet to ensure spectrum dominance against current and future threats."

PMA-234 is responsible for acquiring, delivering and sustaining AEA systems, providing combatant commanders with capabilities that enable mission success.

Story by Kristine Wilcox, PMA-234 communications

Public Affairs Officer Contact:
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Next Generation Jammer Mid-Band (NGJ-MB) flies for the first time on an EA-18G Growler, Aug. 7, over Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md. The NGJ-MB capability, forward pod located under the right wing of the aircraft, is a jamming technology that provides enhanced airborne electronic attack capabilities to the EA-18G Growler platform (U.S. Navy photo by Erik Hildebrandt)

http://www.navair.navy.mil/news/Next-Gen-Jammer-Mid-Band-pod-takes-first-flight-Growler/Mon-08102020-1619
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/08/2020 | 14:42 uur
'Lack of final quality check' drove F-35 non-conforming spare part problem

11 AUGUST 2020

by Pat Host

Lockheed Martin had a high rate of delivering non-ready-for-issue (RFI), or installation, spare parts for the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) within the last five years because part suppliers were sending spare parts directly to the field and not the prime contractor, according to a former F-35 programme official.

Speaking under conditions of anonymity, the former official told Janes on 4 August that Lockheed Martin had a final check of production parts, but not spare parts, being delivered for the F-35. The prime contractor would take delivery of production parts at one of its three final assembly and check-out (FACO) facilities to ensure that parts conformed with its electronic equipment logbook (EEL). If production parts were non-conforming, Lockheed Martin would fix them and make them RFI.

The former official said that the first time an opportunity arose to verify that a spare part conformed was when it was delivered to the field and a maintainer logged it into the F-35's Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS). This is when a maintainer would discover that the EEL was not right and thus the part was not RFI.

"The spare parts were getting directly to [maintainers] before there was a final check of the EELs, which I squarely blame on Lockheed Martin," the former official said. "Lockheed Martin is responsible for the integrity of its supply chain."

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An F-35A begins a practice flight on 29 July 2020 at Hill AFB Utah. A former F-35 official said Lockheed Martin has had a poor spare part delivery rate since 2015 because the company was not performing a final quality check before the parts were delivered. (US Air National Guard)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/lack-of-final-quality-check-drove-f-35-non-conforming-spare-part-problem
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 11/08/2020 | 16:11 uur
Combat air choices for the future RAF between Tempest - Typhoon - F35 :

https://rusi.org/sites/default/files/combat_air_choices_final_web_version.pdf

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/08/2020 | 12:15 uur
Covid-19: Finland announces delay to HX acquisition process

12 AUGUST 2020

by Charles Forrester

Finland's Ministry of Defence announced on 11 August that there would be a delay to the issuing of best-and-final-offer (BAFO) requests to replace the country's fleet of Boeing F/A-18C/D Hornet aircraft under the HX programme.

As a consequence of the Covid-19 pandemic and the need to adhere to strict guidelines to prevent transmission of the virus, BAFO requests are to be issued either later this year or at the beginning of next year, according to a statement issued by the HX programme office. The fourth round of negotiations and performance evaluations with the five bidders for the programme – BAE Systems, Boeing, Dassault, Lockheed Martin, and Saab – are to continue between September and November, and will be maintaining compliance with the Finnish government's Covid-19 restrictions and guidelines.

The BAFO requests were anticipated to be issued in August, for submission by the end of the year. The final contract is still expected to be agreed in 2021.

Some concerns over the potential cost of the programme have been raised in recent months because of the potential economic impact of Covid-19 on Finland and the global economy. A spokesperson for the HX programme told Janes that in the context of the Finnish government's interest rate forecast, "The price [of the HX system] will be index-tied and indexes are negotiated among other topics."

Furthermore, they added, "Even though the total cost of the procurement may rise – but not above a certain limit – it is still the most sensible way to protect the buyer against price changes. Furthermore, a certain part of the HX acquisition will be fixed price."

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The issuance of requests for best-and-final offers to replace Finland's fleet of Boeing F/A-18C/D Hornet aircraft has been delayed to late 2020 or early 2021. (Janes/Patrick Allen)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/covid-19-finland-announces-delay-to-hx-acquisition-process
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/08/2020 | 10:51 uur
Air Force announces Guard locations for F-35A, F-15EX

WASHINGTON (AFNS) --
The Air Force plans to replace the Air National Guard's aging F-15C Eagles in Florida and Oregon with the service's newest air superiority aircraft.

Jacksonville Air National Guard Base, Florida, will begin receiving F-35 Lightning IIs in 2024; Kingsley Field, Oregon, will host the Air Force's first F-15EX formal training mission beginning in 2022; and the unit at Portland Air National Guard Base will become the first operational F-15EX squadron in 2023.

The Air Force's F-15Cs are aging and expected to run out of service life by the mid-2020s.

The Air Force also plans to replace the remaining Air National Guard operational F-15C/D bases (Barnes Airport, Massachusetts, Fresno Yosemite Airport, California, and Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base New Orleans) with either F-35As or F-15EXs. Naval Air Station Lemoore, California, is also being considered for F-35As. 

"The Air National Guard has consistently stepped up to meet the challenges of countless national contingencies over recent years," said Lt. Gen. Mike Loh, Air National Guard director. "Transitioning to these new weapon systems will maintain our effectiveness as a member of the Total Air Force into the future."

The Air Force will now conduct on-the-ground site surveys at each of these locations to assess operational requirements, potential impacts to existing missions, infrastructure and manpower, and costs before deciding which aircraft will replace the F-15C mission. 

The Air Force will complete the required Environmental Impact Analysis Process before making a final decision.

Currently, four active duty operational locations — Hill Air Force Base, Utah; RAF Lakenheath, United Kingdom; Eielson AFB, Alaska; and Tyndall AFB, Florida — have been identified to host the F-35A. 

Additionally, three Air National Guard locations — Burlington ANGB, Vermont; Dannelly Field, Alabama; and Truax Field, Wisconsin; and one Air Force Reserve location – Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth, Texas — have been identified as F-35 locations.

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2314043/air-force-announces-guard-locations-for-f-35a-f-15ex/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 16/08/2020 | 17:59 uur
Best vreemd dat guard eenheden met het nieuwste van het nieuwste worden uitgerust, niet de meest efficiënte noch effectieve keuze.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/08/2020 | 18:29 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 16/08/2020 | 17:59 uur
Best vreemd dat guard eenheden met het nieuwste van het nieuwste worden uitgerust, niet de meest efficiënte noch effectieve keuze.

Toch is dit iets dat al sinds de jaren 90 gebeurt. Sindsdien krijgen ANG eenheden hetzelfde nieuwe materieel en niet meer de afdankers. ANG eenheden werden sindsdien ook meer actief buiten de VS ingezet. Ook omdat de USAF wereldwijd in aantallen kromp.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 16/08/2020 | 22:00 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 16/08/2020 | 18:29 uur
Toch is dit iets dat al sinds de jaren 90 gebeurt. Sindsdien krijgen ANG eenheden hetzelfde nieuwe materieel en niet meer de afdankers. ANG eenheden werden sindsdien ook meer actief buiten de VS ingezet. Ook omdat de USAF wereldwijd in aantallen kromp.

Daar zal het ook wel mee te maken hebben, maar dan nog. Je verwacht dat de ANG toch minder prioriteit heeft dan de reguliere KMD's daar, en om ze dan uit te rusten met een F-35, dat heeft me een partij gevolgen, bureacratisch met name. En beveiligingstechnisch.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/08/2020 | 08:30 uur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJpeWAxk2So
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/08/2020 | 09:09 uur
Substandard parts, poor oversight led to potential F-35 fee overpayments

13 AUGUST 2020

by Pat Host

Insufficient staffing and differences in measuring F-35 aircraft availability hours between services, international partners, and customers are the reason that the Pentagon potentially overpaid Lockheed Martin performance-incentive fees for the Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), according to a former programme official.

In a 22 July House Oversight and Reform Committee hearing; Theresa Hull, Pentagon assistant inspector general for audit acquisition, contracting, and sustainment, testified that the F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) had potentially overpaid USD10.6 million in performance-incentive fees by not independently collecting and verifying aircraft availability hours. This, she said, is because the JPO did not conduct adequate oversight of Lockheed Martin's performance related to receiving F-35 spare parts and verifying aircraft availability hours.

Speaking under condition of anonymity, the former F-35 official told Janes on 4 August that the JPO was not independently collecting and verifying aircraft availability hours because the three US military services, eight partner nations, and five Foreign Military Sale (FMS) customers all collected this information differently. Even the US military services, he said, have their own unique ways of measuring the readiness of their aircraft.

"For the JPO to try to collect all that information independently would mean that we would have had to have hundreds of more people in hundreds of different places for all the different services and partners flying aircraft because they measure it differently," the former F-35 programme official said.

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A member of the Columbus Air Force Base Fire Department inspects the interior of an F-35A on 7 August 2020 at Columbus AFB in Mississippi. The Pentagon potentially overpaid USD10.6 million in performance-incentive fees by not independently collecting and verifying F-35 aircraft availability hours. (US Air Force)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/substandard-parts-poor-oversight-led-to-potential-f-35-fee-overpayments
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 19/08/2020 | 09:04 uur
Navy Quietly Starts Development of Next-Generation Carrier Fighter; Plans Call for Manned, Long-Range Aircraft

https://shar.es/abYWMB
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/08/2020 | 09:07 uur
How F-35 Middle East Deployments Are Shaping Future Ops

https://www.airforcemag.com/how-f-35-middle-east-deployments-are-shaping-future-ops/

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An F-35 Lightning II, assigned to the 34th Expeditionary Fighter Squadron, takes off April 16, 2020, at an undisclosed location in Southwest Asia. Air Force photo by Senior Master Sgt. Ralph Branson.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 21/08/2020 | 08:10 uur
58 percent of Swiss voters favor buying new fighter jets

A poll conducted by Swiss broadcaster SRF showed that 58 percent of the respondents are in favor of the country buying new fighter jets.
The Swiss will vote in a referendum next month to approve a $6.6 billion project to buy new fighters.
The margin of error for the poll is 2.9 percentage points.
Back in 2014, voters rejected a plan to buy 22 Gripen fighters.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-swiss-defence-fighter/poll-shows-swiss-back-6-6-billion-plan-to-buy-new-fighter-jets-idUSKBN25G1XS
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/08/2020 | 09:53 uur
USAF to launch ARES modernisation plan for F-22 fighter

20 AUGUST 2020

by Gareth Jennings

The US Air Force (USAF) is to launch its latest modernisation drive for the Lockheed Martin F-22 combat aircraft, dubbed Advanced Raptor Enhancement and Sustainment (ARES).

A pre-solicitation synopsis placed on the beta.sam.gov government procurement website by the F-22 Program Office (AFLCMC/WAU) on 19 August noted that the service intends to award Lockheed Martin a sole-source contract for future upgrades to the 'fifth-generation' fighter.

"The proposed contract is a follow-on effort to the Raptor Enhancement, Development, and Integration II (REDI II) contract, and will satisfy future modernisation requirements, enterprise management, and select sustainment requirements to improve efficiencies within the F-22 programme," the synopsis said. Also adding it is contemplated that the indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity (ID/IQ) contract will be awarded by June 2021 with a base ordering period of five years and a five year option.

The USAF did not note what specific modernisation plans are to be included in the ARES effort, nor did it say what its value could be.

As noted by Janes World Air Forces , since its introduction into service in 2003 the F-22 has been subject to a rolling upgrade path that has included improved avionics, updated life support systems, and new air-to-air and air‐to‐ground weapons.

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The proposed ARES modernisation plan for the F-22 will follow on from the REDI II effort and will potentially run for 10 years. (Janes/Patrick Allen)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/usaf-to-launch-ares-modernisation-plan-for-f-22-fighter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 21/08/2020 | 13:14 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 21/08/2020 | 08:10 uur
58 percent of Swiss voters favor buying new fighter jets

A poll conducted by Swiss broadcaster SRF showed that 58 percent of the respondents are in favor of the country buying new fighter jets.
The Swiss will vote in a referendum next month to approve a $6.6 billion project to buy new fighters.
The margin of error for the poll is 2.9 percentage points.
Back in 2014, voters rejected a plan to buy 22 Gripen fighters.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-swiss-defence-fighter/poll-shows-swiss-back-6-6-billion-plan-to-buy-new-fighter-jets-idUSKBN25G1XS
Goed nieuws. Hopelijk wordt dat met dat referendum bevestigd.
Zwitserland is m.i. een voorbeeld van hoe het niet moet, op vlak van Defensie. 'De burger' moet niet beslissen of Defensie al dan niet nieuw materiaal krijgt. Dat is iets voor 'de overheid', in overleg met de Defensiestaf.
'Burgers' hebben overwegend geen fluit Ahnung van zoiets en van hen moet je toch de verdediging van het land niet laten afhangen...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/08/2020 | 22:42 uur
@Saab

CitaatLet's celebrate! On August 20th, the first flight by a Brazilian citizen with the Brazilian Gripen took place. Major Aviator Cristiano from @fab_oficial flew for 49 minutes over the Baltic Sea. Congratulations, Major! Congratulations, Brazil! #TrueCollaboration #BrazilianGripen

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https://twitter.com/Saab/status/1296726009350430720
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/08/2020 | 09:54 uur
AFMC: Air Force Not Bound to 144 F-15EXs

https://www.airforcemag.com/afmc-air-force-not-bound-to-144-f-15exs/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/08/2020 | 09:57 uur
Forget Stealth—The U.S. Navy's New Fighter Could Look Like The Old F-14 via @forbes

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2020/08/22/forget-stealth-the-us-navys-new-fighter-could-look-like-the-old-f-14/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/08/2020 | 22:45 uur
Pentagon confident F-35 full-rate production decision won't slip again

By Garrett Reim22 August 2020

After suffering delays, including problems caused by the coronavirus, the US Department of Defense (DoD) believes the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II will be ready for a full-rate production decision by March 2021.

The Joint Strike Fighter programme office was most-recently aiming to finish the stealth aircraft's initial operational test and evaluation by December 2020. However, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines on social distancing has made it more difficult for the Pentagon to get people in the same room to assess the aircraft.

Critically, the F-35's capabilities and vulnerabilities need to be assessed in the Joint Simulation Environment software programme. The DoD plans to use the simulator to test the stealth fighter against a range of hypothetical air and surface threats, including those it expects to emerge within the next 10 years.

Ellen Lord, undersecretary of defense for acquisition and sustainment, said on 20 August that she is confident the F-35 will complete its testing by March 2021.

"We have the entire government industry team focused on that. There have been setbacks within the [Joint Simulation Environment] from Covid. It is a very close working environment. The team, very quickly, moved out to follow all CDC guidelines to make sure we had a safe working environment. They readjusted. We have operations there at least six days a week, if not, seven days a week and almost 24 hours [a day], so Covid has been significant."

Lord says she plans to visit the Joint Simulation Environment installation at NAS Patuxent River in Maryland next week to check on testing progress.

Lockheed produced 134 examples of the F-35 in 2019. It had projected it would hit peak production of 180 units in 2024. Despite those large production lots, the F-35 is not technically in full-rate production yet.

So far, production contracts to Lockheed have been granted on a yearly basis. However, completing the initial operational test and evaluation and being granted a full-rate production decision by the US government would allow the Joint Strike Fighter programme office and the company to negotiate multi-year contracts. By law, the DoD cannot grant multi-year contracts without an aircraft having finished testing.

Once testing is complete, the multi-year contract would give the Pentagon a bulk discount on the aircraft and Lockheed a contractual guarantee of business for several years. The full-rate production decision is also seen as a final stamp of approval on the F-35 by the airframer.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/pentagon-confident-f-35-full-rate-production-decision-wont-slip-again/139865.article
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/08/2020 | 08:05 uur
Britain may halve fighter jet purchases

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-may-halve-fighter-jet-purchases-nk2hfns8c
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/08/2020 | 08:53 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/08/2020 | 08:05 uur
Britain may halve fighter jet purchases

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-may-halve-fighter-jet-purchases-nk2hfns8c

:omg:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 26/08/2020 | 09:15 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/08/2020 | 08:05 uur
Britain may halve fighter jet purchases

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-may-halve-fighter-jet-purchases-nk2hfns8c
Het gaat gewoon niet goed hier...
Dit was gisteren ook op BBC te lezen:

"British Army could axe ageing tanks as part of modernisation plans"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53909087
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/08/2020 | 09:25 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 26/08/2020 | 09:15 uur
Het gaat gewoon niet goed hier...
Dit was gisteren ook op BBC te lezen:

"British Army could axe ageing tanks as part of modernisation plans"


Zorgelijk allemaal.... de Britten mogen dan wel vertrekken uit de EU maar Europa en de NAVO hebben de Britten wel nodig in dit verzwakte deel van de wereld.

De wereld nadert, in rasse schreden, het einde van het interbellum, de tijd van het gebroken geweertje kunnen wij ons niet (meer) veroorloven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 26/08/2020 | 09:41 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/08/2020 | 09:25 uur
Zorgelijk allemaal.... de Britten mogen dan wel vertrekken uit de EU maar Europa en de NAVO hebben de Britten wel nodig in dit verzwakte deel van de wereld.

De wereld nadert, in rasse schreden, het einde van het interbellum, de tijd van het gebroken geweertje kunnen wij ons niet (meer) veroorloven.
Daarvoor is het in Europa, wel, binnen de EU, al te laat... Het kaasschaven is overal zo intensief (geweest) dat vele ('koude oorlog'-)capaciteiten gewoonweg zijn afgestoten of sterk gedecimeerd.
'De industrie' heeft daarin ook een aandeel... met almaar meer technische voortgang die de stuksprijs sterk deed stijgen en de politiek die quasi geen geld wil besteden aan Defensie.

Om even terug te gaan naar de Britse Armed forces:
- stootten de Nimrods af nadat ettelijke miljoenen uitgegeven waren aan hun modernisering... moesten dan bedelen bij n.b. de Fransen voor MPA surveillance binnen het Britse luchtruim om dekking te bieden voor de Britse Boomers bij het verlaten/terugkeer van/naar Clyde Naval Base.
- de farce bij de aanbesteding van de contracten voor die twee carriers... en dan nogmaals weggegooid geld met een studie over CATOBAR om dan toh meer bij die beperkende ski-jump en dus de F-35B te blijven en een helicopter de enige AEWC-oplossing is.
- De Type-45 bestelling... gereduceerd tot 6 units,
- De Type-23 vervanging door de Type-26 die ook alweer quasi gehalveerd is en tot de zeer magere Type-31 leidde...
De Britse overheid heeft nu een gigantisch grote staatsschuld opgebouwd door o.a. Covid maar Brexit gaat daar nog een groot pak aan toevoegen (en heeft dat zelfs al gedaan)...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/08/2020 | 09:46 uur
Citaat van: The Times op 26/08/2020 | 08:05 uur
Britain may halve fighter jet purchases

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-may-halve-fighter-jet-purchases-nk2hfns8c

Mocht dit werkelijkheid worden, dan heeft Australië straks meer F-35's dan het Verenigd Koninkrijk. Overigens zullen de beoogde 138 stuks nooit tegelijkertijd in dienst zijn. Het plan is/was om ze over de gebruiksjaren uit te smeren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/08/2020 | 10:33 uur
Ik las het van de tanks. Het is echt te debiel voor woorden. UK heeft i.c.m KMW net miljoenen uitgegeven voor onderzoek in upgrades.

Er zitten daar de verkeerde mensen aan het roer. Al heel lang. De BBC en andere clubs maken ook wel zulke rare afwegingen en beslissingen dat het lijkt alsof er lobbies actief bezig zijn met het van binnen uit afbreken van GB.

Laatst zag ik een mooi interview met de directeur van the sun. Walgelijk kut blad.. maar de man had een interessante stelling. Hij zei dat de UK nooit over het oorlogs trauma is heengekomen. Iets wat de Fransen en vooral Duitsers wel hebben kunnen doen. Dit leidt tot de meest absurde tegenstellingen en visies op vasteland EU. Met name de media die nog heel erg vaak beeldbepalende verwijzingen gebruikt naar wo2.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/08/2020 | 13:17 uur
Korean military to buy 40 more fighter jets from U.S.

https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2020/08/25/national/defense/F35-F35B-stealth-fighter/20200825172700453.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/08/2020 | 09:25 uur
Japan widens foreign access to F-X fighter project

26 AUGUST 2020

by Jon Grevatt

Japan's Ministry of Defense (MoD) has published a notice inviting foreign companies to engage with its project to develop next-generation fighter aircraft.

The notice – issued on 25 August – invites firms to be involved in the development phase of the F-X project and the integration of related technologies and capabilities.

It states that the invite supports the MoD's "procedures for collecting information" about next-generation fighter aircraft.

The notice adds that this process also includes continuing discussions with companies from the United States and United Kingdom about their potential involvement in the development of the new aircraft.

"We will collect high-quality information," the MoD notice says, "and start recruiting companies that are willing to provide that information."

The MoD said foreign companies wishing to engage with the F-X project must be able to demonstrate a high "technology readiness level" in capabilities such as, technologies and designs for fixed-wing aircraft "including stealth drones", and airborne missile systems including radars, sensors, electronic warfare equipment, data link equipment, and "systems integration technologies".

In a press briefing on the same day, Japan's Defence Minister Taro Kono said the deadline for companies willing to co-operate is 31 August.

"We are inviting companies to [support] the integration of the fighter aircraft," said Kono. "We are currently exchanging information with the US and UK to deepen our consideration of international co-operation in this development project."

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The Japanese MoD has issued a notice to invite foreign companies to share information about fighter-aircraft technologies in support of its project to develop the F-X fighter aircraft (pictured). (Japanese MoD)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/japan-widens-foreign-access-to-f-x-fighter-project_11828
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/08/2020 | 09:48 uur
Geurts: Navy, Air Force working to find 'Sweet Spot' in Collaborating on New Fighters

https://news.usni.org/2020/08/27/geurts-navy-air-force-working-to-find-sweet-spot-in-collaborating-on-new-fighters
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/08/2020 | 09:45 uur
Saab unveils broad package for HX bid

28 AUGUST 2020

by Charles Forrester

Sweden's Saab provided an outline of a significant package as part of its bid for Finland's HX fighter procurement programme on 28 August, including the development of a new lightweight air-launched decoy missile.

As part of the company's offering for the HX programme, an in-country development and sustainment centre will be established to provide a variety of work including parts production and the assembly of engines and aircraft in Finland through a support and maintenance, repair, and overhaul facility. The company is currently engaged in supporting 10 research projects on microwave technology in Finland, with more than 100 industrial participation programmes agreed in support of the company's HX bid.

"This presence will be a very good base to support and sustain the Gripen and GlobalEye in operation, ensuring security of supply," Micael Johannson, President and CEO of Saab, said.

Other research programmes currently supported by Saab in Finland include those for sensors and artificial intelligence.

The new air-launched decoy missile system, which was revealed for the first time during the press briefing, has benefited from substantial development work by the Saab Technology Centre in Tampere, Finland.

"Here we are combining the knowledge, long-term, in Sweden and in Finland, in microwave electronics," HX programme campaign director for Saab Magnus Skogberg said. Development of the decoy missile will also support an expansion of the facility in Tampere.

Chief of Operations for the Swedish Air Force Colonel Carl-Fredrik Edström said that a Finnish acquisition of the Gripen and GlobalEye will create new possibilities for the two air forces.

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Saab's offering of the Gripen E, seen here at the Kauhava Air Show, is seeing a broad-based industrial and security package being offered to Finland. (Saab AB/Twitter)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/saab-unveils-broad-package-for-hx-bid_11910
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 31/08/2020 | 09:24 uur
Greece getting 18 Rafales, 8 are free from France    ( Frankrijk spint garen van de situatie Griekenland-Turkije)

Greek newspaper Parapolitika reports that Greece will be getting 18 Rafale fighters.

The report says a preliminary agreement for the acquisition has been reached. Ten of these fighters will be the F3-R variant built from scratch while the other 8 jets will be second-hand aircraft that will be transferred free to Greece from the French Air Force.

http://alert5.com/2020/08/30/greece-getting-18-rafales-8-are-free-from-france/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/08/2020 | 10:47 uur
Citaat van: Alert 5 op 31/08/2020 | 09:24 uur
The report says a preliminary agreement for the acquisition has been reached. Ten of these fighters will be the F3-R variant built from scratch while the other 8 jets will be second-hand aircraft that will be transferred free to Greece from the French Air Force.

Als die levering aan Griekenland werkelijk doorgaat, dan is het voor de Franse luchtmacht wel te hopen dat zij die 8 acht stuks alsnog nieuw geleverd krijgen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 31/08/2020 | 11:20 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 31/08/2020 | 10:47 uur
Als die levering aan Griekenland werkelijk doorgaat, dan is het voor de Franse luchtmacht wel te hopen dat zij die 8 acht stuks alsnog nieuw geleverd krijgen.
Voor de F-3 Productielijn is het goed dat er dan 8 stuks bij komen, maar de Fransen kunnen ook kiezen om straks extra nieuwe versie F4-2 toestellen aan te schaffen.   

Rafale B, C, M F4 ( first step 4.1, second step 4.2)
It will upgrade radar (F4.1), as well as improved capabilities in the Helmet-Mounted Display and AASM 1000 kg, OSF (long range optoelectronics system) will be receive an IRST( Infrared Search and Track ) for detecting and identifying airborne stealth targets at long range (F4.1), it will be more effective in network-centric warfare, more data exchange and satellite communication and will launch small (F4.2) . It as be ordered in 2019.:All 180 French Rafale B,C,M will be upgraded to F4.1 in 2022 and F4.2 in 2027, moreover a further 30 aircraft at the full F4 standard (F4.2) will be ordered in 2023 and delivered between 2027 and 2030.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale#Variants
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/08/2020 | 11:25 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 31/08/2020 | 11:20 uur
Voor de F-3 Productielijn is het goed dat er dan 8 stuks bij komen, maar de Fransen kunnen ook kiezen om straks extra nieuwe versie F4-2 toestellen aan te schaffen.   

Het maakt in principe niet uit uit welk productie lot die 8 stuks komen. Uiteindelijk wordt elke Rafale (B/C/M) naar F4 gemoderniseerd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 31/08/2020 | 12:28 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 31/08/2020 | 11:25 uur
Het maakt in principe niet uit uit welk productie lot die 8 stuks komen. Uiteindelijk wordt elke Rafale (B/C/M) naar F4 gemoderniseerd.
Dat klopt, maar ... als ze nu die 8 toestellen kunnen missen kunnen ze (lijkt me) beter gaan voor nieuwe F4-2 toestellen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/09/2020 | 22:57 uur
KAI begins final assembly of first KF-X prototype

03 SEPTEMBER 2020

by Dae Young Kim

Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) has begun final assembly of the first prototype of the Korean Fighter eXperimental (KF-X) multirole fighter aircraft, South Korea's Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) announced on 3 September.

DAPA said in a statement that the company has begun joining the aircraft's fuselage sections and wings at its facility in Sacheon, South Gyeongsang Province, and confirmed that, despite the ongoing Covid-19 coronavirus pandemic, the prototype is expected to be rolled out in the first half of next year as planned.

KAI had previously stated that the twin-engined aircraft, development of which began in 2015 for the Republic of Korea Air Force (RoKAF), would be unveiled to the public in April 2021. Janes understands that the prototype is expected to conduct its first flight in 2022.

The KF-X, development of which is scheduled to be completed in 2026, is expected to reach a top speed of about 1,400 mph (or about Mach 1.83), have a range of about 2,900 km, a maximum take-off weight of 25,580 kg, and be capable of carrying up to 7,700 kg of payload.

The aircraft, which is expected to be produced in both single- and tandem-seat variants, will feature three hardpoints under each wing for weapons and/or external fuel tanks and will also be capable of carrying four missiles under the fuselage, according to KAI.

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KAI has begun final assembly of the first KF-X prototype, which is expected to be rolled out in the first half 2021. (DAPA)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/kai-begins-final-assembly-of-first-kf-x-prototype
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/09/2020 | 09:58 uur
UK funds integration of AESA radar upgrade for Typhoon

03 SEPTEMBER 2020

by Richard Scott

The UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) has given the green light to the next phase of the European Common Radar System (ECRS) Mk 2 radar for the Royal Air Force's (RAF) Typhoon multi-role fighter.

BAE Systems and Leonardo will share funding worth GBP317 million (USD421 million) for the development and integration of the ECRS Mk 2. Alongside standard radar search/track modes, the ECRS Mk 2 will also confer electronic warfare (EW) and electronic attack (EA) capabilities.

The new active electronically scanned-array (AESA) radar is initially planned for retrofit to 40 Tranche 3 Typhoons, with the option remaining for extension into Tranche 2 aircraft. The UK's commitment to ECRS Mk 2 follows a similar commitment from Germany and Spain to deliver their own national requirements for an AESA radar.

Both BAE Systems and Leonardo are already working, as part of a four-nation development programme, alongside Eurofighter consortium partners in Germany, Spain and Italy on a baseline version of the Captor-E AESA radar. However, the two companies say that the ECRS Mk 2 "is a completely new approach designed to meet the operational needs of the RAF and future export customers".

The key differentiators for the ECRS Mk 2 are a new high-power multi-function array, featuring significantly more transmit/receive elements than similar fighter radars, and a new open-architecture radar 'back end'. The new array will enable the simultaneous operation of EW and wideband EA functionality alongside traditional air-to-air and air-to-surface radar modes.

The ECRS Mk 2 has been de-risked by the UK's 'Bright Adder' high-power array technology demonstrator programme. Begun in 2010, and pulling through technology from the earlier Advanced Radar Targeting System programme, 'Bright Adder' has successfully demonstrated novel 'jamming through the radar' functionality.

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/uk-funds-integration-of-aesa-radar-upgrade-for-typhoon

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https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-typhoon-jets-to-receive-aesa-radar-upgrade/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/09/2020 | 14:45 uur
Austria will enter negotiations with Indonesia for the sale of 15 Eurofighters

Austria's Defense Minister Klaudia Tanner has officially responded to Indonesia's request to buy 15 Eurofighters from her country.

Tanner said she had directed the General Staff to prepare for negotiations with Jakarta.

She said the "exit from the Eurofighter system" is the declared goal and the sale is in the best interest of taxpayers.

Two options are available for the sale to proceed. First, the Eurofighter consortium will have to issue a end user certificate to Indonesia and Austria will sell the jets directly to Indonesia. Alternatively, Airbus will buy back the planes, upgrade them and sell them to the South East Asian nation instead.

http://alert5.com/2020/09/07/austria-will-enter-negotiations-with-indonesia-for-the-sale-of-15-eurofighters/

Asien-Deal: So will Tanner Eurofighter loswerden

https://www.krone.at/2223112
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/09/2020 | 15:00 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 07/09/2020 | 14:45 uur
Austria will enter negotiations with Indonesia for the sale of 15 Eurofighters

Austria's Defense Minister Klaudia Tanner has officially responded to Indonesia's request to buy 15 Eurofighters from her country.

Tanner said she had directed the General Staff to prepare for negotiations with Jakarta.

She said the "exit from the Eurofighter system" is the declared goal and the sale is in the best interest of taxpayers.

Two options are available for the sale to proceed. First, the Eurofighter consortium will have to issue a end user certificate to Indonesia and Austria will sell the jets directly to Indonesia. Alternatively, Airbus will buy back the planes, upgrade them and sell them to the South East Asian nation instead.

http://alert5.com/2020/09/07/austria-will-enter-negotiations-with-indonesia-for-the-sale-of-15-eurofighters/

Asien-Deal: So will Tanner Eurofighter loswerden

https://www.krone.at/2223112

Austria Agrees to Discuss Eurofighter Sale to Indonesia   (extra info)   
( Oostenrijk si al heel lang niet blij met hun Eurofighter aankoop, dus nu de knoop doorgehakt en in de verkoop, maar worden ze vervangen ? )

Austrian Defense Minister Klaudia Tanner has accepted her Indonesian counterpart's offer to open talks for the sale of the country's fleet of 15 early production Eurofighters, which Austria wants to retire as unsuited and too expensive for its needs.

Austria has agreed to discuss the sale of its fleet of 15 Eurofighter combat aircraft to Indonesia, whose defense minister made an informal, unsolicited offer for the aircraft earlier this summer.

"The Austrian Armed Forces are facing major challenges in air surveillance in the coming years. We are, therefore, happy to accept your interest in purchasing the 15 Austrian Eurofighters to modernize your air fleet and will now evaluate and examine this in detail," Austrian Defense Minister Klaudia Tanner said in a Sept. 4 letter to her Indonesian colleague, Prabowo Subianto. A photograph of the letter  was published on Sunday by the Vienna newspaper Krone Zeitung, which first reported its existence.

"My experts will contact your offices to clarify further detailed questions. We will be happy to inform you of the result after our assessments have been completed," Tanner concluded.

Col. Michael Bauer, the Austrian defense minister's spokesman, confirmed the Krone Zeitung report, the letter's authenticity and that Austria is ready to open negotiations on the sale. No statement is planned now, but "We will issue one when the negotiations are completed," he told Defense-Aerospace.com in a telephone interview this morning.

Tanner's letter is a belated reply to a July 10 letter in which the Indonesian minister proposed to buy Austria's 15 Eurofighters, which successive defense ministers have said they want to retire and replace with fighters better suited to the country's needs.

The Eurofighter issue is controversial in Austria, whose government has sued Airbus, from which it bought the aircraft in 2004, to recover illicit payments it said were paid by the company to secure the sale.

After Airbus signed Deferred Prosecution Agreements with the British and American governments on January 31, and agreed to pay €3.6 billion in fines for what Britain's Serious Fraud Office described as "part the world's largest global resolution for bribery," Klaudia Tanner issued a strongly worded statement in which she reaffirmed Austria's intention of suing Airbus to recover at least €183.4 million in illicit payments and to withdraw the Eurofighters from service.

Krone Zeitung on Sunday quoted Tanner as saying that "Now, we are informing Indonesia that we will examine legal aspects of the sale legally and hold talks with everyone involved. That is our responsibility to all taxpayers - and the exit from the Eurofighter system is our declared goal."

The sale of Austria's Eurofighters to Indonesia would at the same time satisfy Austria's stated desire to get rid of its Eurofighters, while also allowing Indonesia to acquire upgraded combat aircraft at an attractive price, as its plans to buy Russian Su-35s and additional US-made F-16s have not yet materialized.

Such a sale, however, would require clearing two major obstacles. First of all, Austria must obtain a re-export agreement from the four Eurofighter partner countries – Germany, Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom – as well as the United States, as the aircraft also include US-made equipment. This is probably unrealistic, given German reluctance to export weapons, and British and Italian intentions to sell their early production Tranche 1 Eurofighters.

A separate obstacle exists in Indonesia, where the Jakarta Post reported today that "Law No. 16/2012 on the defense industry mandates foreign weapon purchase to come with some kind of countertrade, local content and offset schemes."

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/feature/213169/austria-agrees-to-discuss-eurofighter-sale-to-indonesia.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/09/2020 | 11:49 uur
USAF F-15Cs to receive firmware upgrade to prevent 'indefinite grounding'

07 SEPTEMBER 2020

by Gareth Jennings

The US Air Force (USAF) has instructed that firmware on its fleet of Boeing F-15C Eagle air superiority fighter aircraft be upgraded to rectify an anomaly that would otherwise cause their 'indefinite grounding'.

A Justification and Approval (J&A) notification for a sole-source award for the upgrade to BAE Systems noted that the new firmware will correct a problem with data collision issues when the Flat Panel Control Indicator (FPCI) receives messages from the Advanced Display Core Processor II (ADCP II).

"The H009 data bus anomaly was discovered during lab testing of the ADCP II. The USAF requires BAE Systems to release a production version of the [upgraded] firmware, update the firmware in up to 120 FPCIs for use in the F-15C, and ship the FPCIs back to the USAF," according to a J&A notification posted on the beta.sam.gov government procurement website in late August.

As noted by the Air Force Life Cycle Management Center (AFLCMC), the F-15Cs identified for this requirement to upgrade the permanent software programmed into the read-only memory are scheduled to begin installation in October and conclude modification by October 2022. "If the FPCI is not updated during each ADCP II install in each F-15C, the jets will report the H009 data bus anomaly and will be grounded indefinitely," the service said.

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BAE Systems is to upgrade the firmware on 120 of its Flat Panel Control Indicator fitted to US Air Force F-15Cs to remedy an anomaly related to the Advanced Display Core Processor II. (Janes/Patrick Allen)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/usaf-f-15cs-to-receive-firmware-upgrade-to-prevent-indefinite-grounding
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/09/2020 | 13:51 uur
Sweden Offers Gripen to Croatia

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/213226/sweden-offers-gripen-to-croatia.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/09/2020 | 09:28 uur
Indian Air Force formally inducts first five Rafale fighter aircraft

10 SEPTEMBER 2020

by Rahul Bedi

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has formally inducted into service the first five of 36 Dassault Rafale multirole fighters it ordered in late 2016 for EUR7.9 billion (USD9.35 billion).

The five twin-engined fighters – three single-seat and two twin-seat aircraft –, which had arrived in India from France on 29 July, entered service with the IAF's No 17 'Golden Arrow' Squadron on 10 September in a ceremony held at Ambala Air Force Station (AFS) in northern India. The ceremony was attended by Indian Defence Minister Rajnath Singh and his French counterpart, Florence Parly, among others.

Four additional Rafales are expected to arrive at Ambala AFS in October, with the remaining nine aircraft required to complete the squadron of 18 fighters scheduled for delivery by mid-2021, according to official sources.

Thereafter, deliveries will begin for the second Rafale squadron, which will be stationed at Hasimara AFS close to India's disputed border with China. This squadron will also comprise 18 fighters, deliveries of which are expected to be completed by late 2022.

"The Rafale induction has come at an apt time when a tense situation has been created at our borders," said Singh referring to the country's ongoing military tensions with China along the disputed Line of Actual Control (LoAC) in the Himalayas.

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One of the five Rafale fighters that arrived at Ambala AFS in northern India on 29 July. These aircraft were formally inducted into the IAF's No 17 'Golden Arrow' Squadron in a ceremony held on 10 September. (IAF)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/indian-air-force-formally-inducts-first-five-rafale-fighter-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/09/2020 | 09:30 uur
Lockheed Martin Hopes to Catch Up On F-35 Deliveries Delayed by COVID-19 by 2023

https://www.airforcemag.com/lockheed-martin-hopes-to-catch-up-on-covid-delayed-f-35s-by-2023/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/09/2020 | 09:43 uur
Israeli Air Force favouring additional F-35s

10 SEPTEMBER 2020

by Yaakov Lappin

The Israeli Air Force (IAF) is leaning towards the acquisition of a third squadron of F-35 fighter jets, Janes has learned.

The new jets will likely be based at Tel Nof Air Force Base, south of Tel Aviv.

The IAF currently has 50 F-35Is on order for two squadrons, both based at Nevatim Air Force Base in southern Israel. Lockheed Martin is producing about six aircraft a year, with 27 expected to be delivered by the end of this year.

The IAF was weighing a possible third squadron against more advanced F-15s that can carry heavier payloads. Israeli media reports in February said that IDF Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Aviv Kochavi would seek approval for the purchase of both a third F-35 squadron and a squadron of advanced F-15s. The final decision has to be approved by the Israeli cabinet and its Acquisitions Committee.

The third squadron is likely to be equipped with the F-35I variant of the US Air Force's F-35A but it is still possible that the F-35B short take-off and vertical landing variant will be acquired for a fourth squadron, making the IAF less vulnerable to ballistic missile attacks against its runways.

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F-35Is at Nevatim Air Force Base in southern Israel. (Israeli Air Force)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/israeli-air-force-favouring-additional-f-35s
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Robert2 op 12/09/2020 | 12:48 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 12/09/2020 | 12:40 uur
Oostenrijk deed een paar jaar terug 2 maanden lang alleen infanterie te voet dingen omdat het brandstofbudget in november leeg was. Oh en ze lopen in olive drab want camo was toch ook wel duur. Ik verwacht dat verkoop Typhoon ook einde fast jets gaat zijn.
Ze lopen zowaar in camo rond. Ziet er niet uit, maar ja..

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2020 | 12:53 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 12/09/2020 | 12:40 uur
Ik verwacht dat verkoop Typhoon ook einde fast jets gaat zijn.

Helaas deel ik deze verwachting, na exit Typhoon zal ook een type als Gripen E door de Oostenrijkers vermoedelijk als te kostbaar worden bevonden.  Wellicht gaat hun luchtacht bestaan uit types als: T-7 Red Hawk of M-346 in een Multi-role variant.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/09/2020 | 13:19 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/09/2020 | 12:53 uur
Helaas deel ik deze verwachting, na exit Typhoon zal ook een type als Gripen E door de Oostenrijkers vermoedelijk als te kostbaar worden bevonden.  Wellicht gaat hun luchtacht bestaan uit types als: T-7 Red Hawk of M-346 in een Multi-role variant.

Naast de Gripen E blijft Saab ook op verzoek de Gripen C produceren. Zie het artikel over de Gripen C voor de Kroaten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/09/2020 | 10:38 uur
Greece announced its intention to acquire 18 Rafales to equip its air force

Redazione di Aviation Report  12 September 2020  Air Forces, Military Aviation News

This announcement illustrates the strength of the partnership that has linked the Greek Air Force and Dassault Aviation for more than 45 years, and demonstrates the enduring strategic relationship between Greece and France.

Greece ordered 40 Mirage F1 from Dassault Aviation in 1974, then 40 Mirage 2000 in 1985 and finally 15 Mirage 2000-5 in the year 2000; this latest contract also includes the modernization of 10 Mirage 2000 to the 2000-5 standard with a large contribution from Greek industry.

"I am delighted with this announcement, which reinforces the exceptional relationship we have had with Greece for nearly half a century, and I thank the Greek authorities for their confidence in us once again. Dassault Aviation is fully mobilized to meet the operational needs expressed by the Greek Air Force, and thus contribute to ensuring Greece's sovereignty and the safety of the Greek people," said Eric Trappier, Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation.

Greece is shielded with 18 Rafale aircraft, as announced today september 12, 2020 on the TIF – Thessaloniki International Fair podium in Thessaloniki by Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis. In particular, hellenic Prime Minister in terms of armaments, noted that the time has come to strengthen the military and announced six key decisions, among which the Hellecin Air Force acquires 18 Rafale that which replace the previous Mirage aircraft which, in combination with the F-16, fully protects Greece.

http://en.aviation-report.com/greece-announced-its-intention-to-acquire-18-rafales-to-equip-its-air-force/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/09/2020 | 18:07 uur
The US Air Force has built and flown a mysterious full-scale prototype of its future fighter jet

https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2020/09/15/the-us-air-force-has-built-and-flown-a-mysterious-full-scale-prototype-of-its-future-fighter-jet/#.X2DmSCjaJ1E.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/09/2020 | 16:23 uur
US Air Force Has Secretly Flown Next-Gen Combat Aircraft

Roper Reveals NGAD Has Flown, But Doesn't Share Details

The Air Force's Next Generation Air Dominance combat aircraft, intended to complement or succeed the F-22 and F-35 in the air superiority role, has already flown, having been rapidly prototyped through modern digital design, Air Force acquisition chief Will Roper revealed Sept. 15.

Roper made the revelation at the end of a talk at AFA's virtual Air, Space & Cyber Conference in which he said the Air Force is at an inflection point in how it will master future uncertainty. Making an analogy to the choice facing the main character in the movie "The Matrix," the Air Force can "choose the red pill" and accept a new reality and new ways of buying the equipment it needs, or do things the old-fashioned way—taking the "blue pill"—and "lose," Roper said. In the movie, the main character can choose to "wake up" from an elaborate illusion to a harsh reality, or continue in the illusion, which is comforting but false and self-defeating.   

He declined to give further details about the NGAD flights, except to say the aircraft has "broken a lot of records." In a press conference after his presentation, Roper said he was able to win approval only to reveal the flights, without giving away program details or discussing the aircraft's performance, in order to reassure stakeholders inside and outside the Air Force that digital engineering is producing "real things...in the real world." He declined to say, for example, whether the aircraft was competitively developed, what companies were involved, or whether it will be produced in its present form.

"We don't want the adversary to know" what the aircraft's capabilities are, "or when they'll show up," Roper told reporters. But he feels it's important to show that the process of doing things digitally "works." He also discussed how the approach is affecting the new Ground-Based Strategic Deterrent ICBM.

The NGAD "right now is designing, assembling, testing, and, in the digital world, exploring things that would have cost us time and money to wait for physical world results," Roper said in his speech. In the press conference, he said the paradigm has shifted, and now physical flying vehicles will verify and help refine highly detailed digital aircraft.

"The announcement isn't that we just built an e-plane and have flown it a lot of times in a virtual world, which we've done. But we built a full-scale flight demonstrator and we flew it in the real world," he told reporters.

In a later press conference, Chief of Staff Gen. Charles Q. Brown said he's been "tracking" the development of NGAD since he was commander of Pacific Air Forces.

"It's a full scale flight demonstrator," he said, but he declined to predict "when it's going to be a full-up program." He echoed Roper's comments, saying it's an "e-series airplane," using digital technology for design and production. However, "it's less about the demonstrator, it's more about how we ... build airplanes faster, so we can be in a better place to compete" against China and Russia.

Brown later said that the NGAD will be assessed for "how it aligns with the current capabilities we do have" in the tactical aviation mix. Having the real-world demonstrator and actual performance to plug into wargames, and with "a dollar figure associated with it," will allow USAF to make decisions about the design of the future combat air forces. It's an analysis that will take place "over time, and it's not just fighters" that will be scrutinized in this way, he said.

.../...

https://www.airforcemag.com/roper-reveals-ngad-has-flown-but-doesnt-share-details/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/09/2020 | 22:50 uur
AFA 2020: Lockheed Martin projects fewer F-35 deliveries in 2020 due to Covid-19

15 SEPTEMBER 2020

by Pat Host

Lockheed Martin is lowering delivery expectations in 2020 for the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) to roughly 121 from 141 due to Covid-19 impacting suppliers, according to a company executive.

Greg Ulmer, Lockheed Martin F-35 vice-president and general manager, told Janes on 14 September during the Air Force Association's (AFA's) annual conference that aircraft unit prices will not be impacted if there are fewer aircraft delivered in 2020 than expected. Unit prices generally rise as aircraft procurement quantities decline. Lockheed Martin spokesman Brett Ashworth said on 15 September that those 121 deliveries estimated for 2020 would be for all aircraft variants: F-35A, F-35B, and F-35C. The company so far has delivered more than 555 F-35s.

Ulmer also said Lockheed Martin in late June offered slightly fewer aircraft to the Pentagon for Lots 15-17. The company on 29 October 2019 contracted for 478 aircraft for Lots 12-14 as part of a USD34 billion deal that delivered Lot 14 unit prices at USD77.9 million for the F-35A, USD101.3 million for the F-35B, and USD94.4 million for the F-35C. He said that the company will watch to see if there is concern among all the customers about their budgets due to Covid-19.

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Lockheed Martin is lowering delivery expectations in 2020 for the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) to roughly 121 from 141 due to Covid-19 impacting suppliers, Lockheed Martin F-35 vice-president and general manager Greg Ulmer told Janes on 14 September. (US Air Force)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/afa-2020-lockheed-martin-projects-fewer-f-35-deliveries-in-2020-due-to-covid-19
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 16/09/2020 | 23:00 uur
Storm Clouds Gather Over F-35B Lightning As United Kingdom Prepares Defense Review

A reduced force of F-35Bs looks increasingly likely and could free up funds for the Tempest future fighter.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36468/storm-clouds-gather-over-f-35b-lightning-as-united-kingdom-prepares-defense-review
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/09/2020 | 08:03 uur
The Air Force's Secret Next Gen Air Dominance Demonstrator Isn't What You Think It Is

Like the future of air combat in general, there are lots of misconceptions about the secret technology demonstrator and the program it belongs to.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36509/the-air-forces-secret-next-gen-air-dominance-demonstrator-isnt-what-you-think-it-is?xid=twittershare
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/09/2020 | 12:06 uur
Carl Vinson, Navy's first operational F-35C squadron conduct flight deck certification

https://www.cpf.navy.mil/news.aspx/130726

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An F-35C Lightning II attached to VFA-147 lands aboard USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), Sept. 13. (U.S. Navy/MC3 Katlyn E. Huska)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/09/2020 | 10:10 uur
RAAF accepts 30th F-35A Lightning II

By Alisha Welch
21 September 2020

Australia's fifth-generation fighter jet capability continues to grow with the recent acceptance of the 30th F-35A Lightning II from prime contractor Lockheed Martin.

Significant work is undertaken before Australia can formally accept each jet, with pre-acceptance testing involving multiple checks on the production line at Lockheed Martin's facility in Texas, as well as several flight tests to ensure each F-35A is up to the tasks the RAAF requires.

F-35A Air Vehicle Lead Squadron Leader Brook Porter is about to wrap up his three-year posting to Joint Strike Fighter Branch in Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group, where he has been involved in accepting 28 F-35A aircraft.

Squadron Leader Porter said the in-depth acceptance process ensured each F-35A was ready for Australian defence registration and operational use.

"Working with local and international stakeholders, the team has also been integral to ferrying the majority of these aircraft to Australia from the US," Squadron Leader Porter said.

"It's rewarding to be part of the team establishing Australia's future air-combat capability. It's much bigger than simply delivering an aircraft.

"It's important to remain vigilant and stick to our 'smart-customer' approach. This means we are constantly asking questions to ensure we are getting value for money, as we strive to deliver Australia's fifth-generation fighter jet capability."

Director General Joint Strike Fighter Branch Air Commodore Damien Keddie said accepting and ferrying each of Australia's jets was the epitome of international collaboration.

"I am proud of the way the team has come together, particularly during the global pandemic, to find innovative solutions to issues that may otherwise have prevented us reaching 30 aircraft in the fleet," Air Commodore Keddie said.

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The 30th F-35A Lightning II accepted from prime contractor Lockheed Martin. (029 en 030 werden tegelijkertijd geleverd)

https://news.defence.gov.au/capability/raaf-accepts-30th-f-35a-lightning-ii
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/09/2020 | 23:03 uur
Lockheed Martin to perform 'unique sea trials' of F-35 for non-US customers

25 SEPTEMBER 2020

by Gareth Jennings

The United States Department of Defense (DoD) has contracted Lockheed Martin to conduct aircraft carrier trials of its F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) for potential international operators.

The award, announced on 24 September, is part of a wider USD245.5 million developmental support contract for DoD and international operators of the F-35 that will run through to March 2022.

"[Additional to the wider developmental support work], this modification provides unique sea trials on aircraft carriers for non-DoD participants," the contract notification stated. Though no further details pertaining to the aircraft carrier trials were disclosed, they are likely to relate to the short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) F-35B variant of the aircraft.

To date, the US Marine Corps (USMC), United Kingdom Royal Navy (RN) and Royal Air Force (RAF), and Italian Navy (Marina Militare Italiana: MMI) have procured the F-35B to equip their respective amphibious assault ships and aircraft carriers, while current F-35A customers, Australia, Japan, Singapore, Spain, and South Korea, have all expressed interest in the STOVL jet's carrier capabilities over recent years, as had Turkey before it was disbarred from the wider JSF programme.

Australia was reporting its interest in the F-35B for the Royal Australian Navy's (RAN's) two Canberra-class landing helicopter dock (LHD) amphibious assault ships as far back as 2014. The two 27,800-tonne LHDs – HMAS Canberra and HMAS

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A US F-35B about to be joined by a UK aircraft on the deck of HMS Queen Elizabeth . Besides these two nations and Italy, other potential operators have expressed interest in the 'pocket carrier' capability that the STOVL jet could afford them. To this end, Lockheed Martin is to perform a series of 'unique sea trials' of the F-35 for non-DoD participants of the wider programme. (Crown Copyright)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/lockheed-martin-to-perform-unique-sea-trials-of-f-35-for-non-us-customers
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/09/2020 | 22:48 uur
Japan pushes forward with JNAAM co-development

30 SEPTEMBER 2020

by Kosuke Takahashi

As part of its budget request for fiscal year 2021, Japan's Ministry of Defense (MoD) has asked the Ministry of Finance in Tokyo for JPY1.2 billion (USD11.4 million) to push ahead with the co-development of a Joint New Air-to-Air Missile (JNAAM) with the United Kingdom.

This funding request is for the trial production of a prototype of the JNAAM, an MoD official confirmed during a 28 September press briefing.

The joint programme transitioned to a prototype stage in FY18 and is expected to finish trial production of the prototype during FY 2022, according to MoD documents. Following this, the two countries will evaluate the performance of the missile and then decide whether to put the weapon into mass production.

The current joint Japan-UK research project, initiated by the two nations in 2014, is scheduled to conclude by the end of FY 2023, which is March 2024 in Japan.

Janes understands that the UK missile technologies included in the programme relate to MBDA's Meteor Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile (BVRAAM).

On the Japanese side, the MoD is looking to integrate advanced radio-frequency (RF) seeker technologies developed by Mitsubishi Electric Corporation for the AAM4B missile, with the aim of enhancing the accuracy and performance of the BVRAAM and supporting the development of the JNAAM.

Both Japan and the UK could prospectively integrate JNAAM with their respective Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II multirole fighter aircraft fleets.

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Computer-generated image of the Joint New Air-to-Air Missile (JNAAM). Japan's Ministry of Defense has requested JPY1.2 billion (USD11.4 million) to advance the co-development of the JNAAM with the UK. (Japanese Ministry of Defense)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/japan-pushes-forward-with-jnaam-co-development
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/10/2020 | 07:37 uur
Gastbeitrag: Europas Kampfflugzeug der Zukunft schmiert ab

https://www.faz.net/-gpf-a3ws1?GEPC=s3 via @faznet
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 01/10/2020 | 08:40 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/10/2020 | 07:37 uur
Gastbeitrag: Europas Kampfflugzeug der Zukunft schmiert ab

https://www.faz.net/-gpf-a3ws1?GEPC=s3 via @faznet
goed artikel
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/10/2020 | 09:39 uur
DSCA goedkeuringen m.b.t. F/A-18E/F en F-35A (staan ook in het DSCA topic).

https://dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/switzerland-f-35-joint-strike-fighter-aircraft-and-weapons

https://dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/switzerland-fa-18ef-super-hornet-aircraft-and-weapons
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 01/10/2020 | 10:04 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/10/2020 | 07:37 uur
Gastbeitrag: Europas Kampfflugzeug der Zukunft schmiert ab

https://www.faz.net/-gpf-a3ws1?GEPC=s3 via @faznet

Heb zo gevoel dat alle projecten zowel civiel als niet civiel gaan moeilijker als er een Franse inbreng is. schijnbaar moet het kwartje altijd hun kant opvallen anders hoeft het niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 01/10/2020 | 12:53 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 01/10/2020 | 10:04 uur
Heb zo gevoel dat alle projecten zowel civiel als niet civiel gaan moeilijker als er een Franse inbreng is. schijnbaar moet het kwartje altijd hun kant opvallen anders hoeft het niet.

Jep
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/10/2020 | 10:14 uur
Pentagon, Lockheed Martin reach handshake deal on non-conforming F-35 spare parts

01 OCTOBER 2020

by Pat Host

The Pentagon and Lockheed Martin have reached a tentative agreement over labour costs the United States services incurred in managing non-ready-for-issue (RFI), or installation, spare parts for its fleet of F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters (JSFs).

Lockheed Martin spokesman Brett Ashworth said on 29 September that the agreement calls for the company to compensate the Pentagon with Lockheed Martin investments toward improving electronic equipment logbook (EEL) compliance and accuracy. Ashworth deferred a question about the monetary value of the agreement to the Defense Contract Management Agency (DCMA), which did not return requests for comment prior to publication.

Lockheed Martin has developed an engineering process to improve the integrity of the data between the supply chain and shipping, resulting in a RFI part performance of better than 80%. Ashworth said future improvements planned for implementation in 2021 include refinement of a programme that tracks shipping notices to ensure a spare part delivery RFI performance of better than 90%.

Greg Ulmer, Lockheed Martin F-35 vice-president and general manager, told Janes on 14 September that the company's spare part RFI rate fluctuates around 83%. It will go down to the low 80s and rise back up. Ulmer said at the time that Lockheed Martin was looking at process improvements to improve the RFI rate.

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A US Marine Corps F-35B accelerates in preparation for launch from the deck of HMS Queen Elizabeth at sea on 28 September 2020. The Pentagon and Lockheed Martin reached a tentative deal on the company reimbursing the US services over labour costs they incurred in managing non-ready-for-issue, or installation, spare parts for their F-35 aircraft. (3rd Marine Aircraft Wing)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/pentagon-lockheed-martin-reach-handshake-deal-on-non-conforming-f-35-spare-parts
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/10/2020 | 09:38 uur
Introduction to the Air Force's Next Generation Air Dominance Program

https://news.usni.org/2020/10/06/introduction-to-the-air-forces-next-generation-air-dominance-program

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/7222525/Air-Force-Next-Generation-Air-Dominance-Program.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/10/2020 | 10:19 uur
France to Order 12 More Rafale Fighters

France will order "by the end of the year" 12 additional Rafale fighter jets to replace the twelve aircraft that will be taken from the French Air Force inventory and supplied to Greece, French Armed Forces Minister Florence Parly told Parliament's Defense Committee during an Oct. 6 hearing.

"We fully intend, by the end of the year, to award an order, in parallel with the order for the aircraft ordered by Greece, for up to 12 aircraft for the Air and Space Force," the minister told MPs during the hearing.

The contract with Greece will be signed by the end of the year and will result in 12 Rafale being taken from the French Air and Space Force fleet next year for delivery to Greece. These aircraft will be replaced in French service by the 12 new-build aircraft. France will also order six additional new-build Rafales for Greece, which is buying a total of 18 Rafales. The Rafale contract with Greece is worth between "one and two billion euros," according to Agence France Presse.

In addition, Parly also confirmed that she intends to fully implement the 2019-2025 multiyear program law, which calls for 129 Rafale to be in service by 2025. "I would like to reassure you: we had agreed together on a milestone in 2025 with 129 Rafale aircraft, and I fully intend to keep to this commitment," the minister told the committee.

This additional order comes at the right time for Dassault, which risked seeing its Rafale production line interrupted in 2024, once the six new aircraft ordered by Athens had been built.

The company is already under contract to deliver 28 Rafale to France between 2022 and 2024, and the new orders for the 18 new aircraft (12 for France and six for Greece) will keep the production line running into 2025, when the final order for the fourth and final batch of 40 Rafale is expected to be awarded.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/213700/france-to-order-12-more-rafale-fighters%2C-10-nh90-special-forces-helicopters.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/10/2020 | 08:28 uur
US Approves Potential Sale of F-35 and F-18E/F Fighters to Finland

Finland – F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Aircraft with Air-to-Air Missiles and Air-to-Ground Precision Guided Munitions

The Pentagon has notified Congress that it has approved the potential sale of 64 F-35 ($12.5 billion) and 72 F-18 Super Hornet fighters ($14.7 billion) which are competing to replace its F-18C Hornets with the HX competition.

The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Finland of F-35 Joint Strike Fighter aircraft with air-to-air missiles and air-to-ground precision guided munitions and related equipment for an estimated cost of $12.5 billion.

of ....

The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Finland of F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler aircraft and weapons and related equipment for an estimated cost of $14.7 billion.

.../...

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/213760/us-approves-potential-sale-of-f_35-and-f_18e%C2%A7f-fighters-to-finland.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 13/10/2020 | 08:43 uur
Aardig sterke luchtmacht levert dat op. Sterker dan van Be en NL samen  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/10/2020 | 09:54 uur
Nu afwachten tot volgend jaar wat het Finse besluit wordt. Overigens een mooi pakket inclusief AGM-154C-1 JSOW en AGM-158B-2 JASSM-ER voor beide goedkeuringen (zie ook DSCA topic).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 14/10/2020 | 07:28 uur
Volgens the Jakarta post gaat de Indonesische minister van defensie later deze maand op bezoek naar Oostenrijk voor het bekijken van de Typhoons. Het bezoek moet aansluitend volgen op het bezoek aan de VS (15 - 19 oktober), en de minister gaat naar verwachting ook naar Frankrijk, Duitsland & Turkeij.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/10/13/prabowo-to-visit-austria-to-talk-about-possible-typhoon-jet-fighter-deal-leaked-document.html

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/10/2020 | 10:03 uur
CNO Gilday: Navy Must Move Faster on Next Generation Air Dominance Program

https://news.usni.org/2020/10/13/cno-gilday-navy-must-move-faster-on-next-generation-air-dominance-program
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/10/2020 | 10:07 uur
F-35 jet's problematic lightning protection system set to receive fix

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020/10/13/f-35-jets-problematic-lightning-protection-system-set-to-receive-fix/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/10/2020 | 10:53 uur
Small Diameter Bomb II approved for operational use

/ Published October 13, 2020

EGLIN AIR FORCE BASE, Fla. --
The Small Diameter Bomb II program reached a major milestone Sept. 23 when the weapon was approved for F-15E Strike Eagle operational flights.

The approval, from Air Combat Command, makes it possible for the Air Force's Strike Eagle squadrons to fly with the air-launched precision-guided munition.

"The SDB II StormBreaker is ready for operational use after undergoing extensive development and flight testing," said Col. Jason Rusco, SDB II program manager and Miniature Munitions Division senior materiel leader. "The fielding milestone is the culmination of years of incredible work conducted by our joint military and industry teams. This capability is unmatched and is a game-changer for national defense."

The smart weapon features a multi-mode seeker that guides the bomb by infrared, millimeter wave radar and semi-active laser in addition to GPS and inertial navigation system guidance.

It's small size also enables an increased payload per mission requiring fewer aircraft for the same number of targets compared to larger weapons that require multiple aircraft. It can also fly more than 40 miles to strike mobile targets, reducing the amount of time aircrews spend in harm's way.

"SDB II's ability to attack moving targets, at range in adverse weather, delivers a significant advantage to our warfighter's arsenal. Fielding this weapon is a momentous accomplishment for everyone involved," said Brig. Gen. Heath Collins, the Air Force Weapons Program Executive Officer.

Eglin units flew a combination of 138 developmental and operational flight tests to help successfully achieve the milestone. The 96th Test Wing's 40th Flight Test Squadron and the 780th Test Squadron performed the developmental tests. The Air Force Operational Test and Evaluation Center, Det. 2 and the 53rd Wing's 422nd Test and Evaluation Squadron completed the operational tests.

The program plans to begin fielding on the Navy's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet later this year followed by integration on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

SBD II is a joint-interest Air Force and Navy major acquisition program. The Armament Directorate's Miniature Munitions Division here serves as the acquisition lead in partnership with Raytheon Missiles and Defense.

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The GBU-53/B Small Diameter Bomb II program reached a major milestone Sept. 23 when the weapon was approved for F-15E Strike Eagle operational flights. The approval, from Air Combat Command, makes it possible for the Air Force's Strike Eagle squadrons to fly with the air-launched precision-guided munition. (Courtesy photo/Raytheon Missiles and Defense)

https://www.eglin.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2380292/small-diameter-bomb-ii-approved-for-operational-use/

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/10/2020 | 23:14 uur
USAF declares AESA radar operational on ANG F-16s

16 OCTOBER 2020

by Gareth Jennings

The US Air Force (USAF) has declared the Northrop Grumman AN/APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar (SABR) to be operational aboard the Air National Guard (ANG) fleet of Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon combat aircraft.

The milestone, announced by Northrop Grumman on 15 October, is the latest development in the USAF's effort to replace the F-16's mechanically scanned AN/APG-66 and AN/APG-68 radars with the latest active electronically scanned array (AESA) technology and marks the fulfilment of a US Northern Command Joint Emergent Operational Need (JEON) for homeland defence.

"SABR enables F-16 pilots to detect, track, identify, and target a greater number of threats faster and at longer ranges from outside the threat envelope," said Mark Rossi, director of SABR programmes at Northrop Grumman. "This upgrade will keep the multirole F-16 fighter relevant and capable for decades to come."

On 7 September the USAF began the installation of AN/APG-83 radars on ANG F-16s at Joe Foss Field in South Dakota: the fourth USAF base to receive AN/APG-83 upgrades.

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The Northrop Grumman AN/APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar was declared operational on USAF ANG F-16s on 15 October. (US Air Force)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/usaf-declares-aesa-radar-operational-on-ang-f-16s
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/10/2020 | 08:44 uur
Britain Banks On Tempest Future Fighter Program As Its Next Great Hope In Combat Airpower

Britain has new data to help make crucial decisions as to its pathway to future air dominance and a healthy indigenous aerospace and defense sector.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37090/britain-banks-on-tempest-future-fighter-program-as-its-next-great-hope-in-combat-airpower
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/10/2020 | 09:17 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/10/2020 | 08:44 uur
Britain Banks On Tempest Future Fighter Program As Its Next Great Hope In Combat Airpower


Zou het een optie voor Nederland zijn om te participeren in dit programma, op een niveau vergelijkbaar met onze deelname in het F35 programma, een niveautje lager of toch maar de kat uit de boom kijken en tzt gaan voor een "van de plank" model?

De beoogde doelstelling om medio jaren dertig een operationeel versie van dit concept te hebben rondvliegen kwalificeer ik voor het gemak als niet realistisch, begin jaren veertig lijkt mij meer waarschijnlijk.

Indien Nederland zou participeren, en haar gedroomde 4e squadron F35's zou verruilen voor een eerste squadron Tempest, ergens tussen 2045-2050, zijn de eerste Nederlandse F35's inmiddels zo'n 30 jaar oud en (bijna) rijp voor vervanging.

Het zou tegemoet komen aan de wens om (meer) op eigen Europese benen te kunnen staan met een middel wat vergelijkbaar is/wordt met Amerikaanse tegenhangers (al moet dat laatste nog blijken gezien de voorsprong die de Amerikanen lijken te hebben met hun "6e generatie" kist(en).

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Enforcer op 17/10/2020 | 11:34 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/10/2020 | 09:17 uur
Indien Nederland zou participeren, en haar gedroomde 4e squadron F35's zou verruilen voor een eerste squadron Tempest, ergens tussen 2045-2050, zijn de eerste Nederlandse F35's inmiddels zo'n 30 jaar oud en (bijna) rijp voor vervanging.

Misschien wel eerder. We kopen er geen 200+ en de technologische ontwikkelingen gaan steeds sneller, waardoor de F35 mede door meer vlieguren per kist, sneller vervangen zou kunnen gaan worden om vooraan mee te kunnen doen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/10/2020 | 11:36 uur
Citaat van: Enforcer op 17/10/2020 | 11:34 uur
Misschien wel eerder. We kopen er geen 200+ en de technologische ontwikkelingen gaan steeds sneller, waardoor de F35 mede door meer vlieguren per kist, sneller vervangen zou kunnen gaan worden om vooraan mee te kunnen doen.

Je zou het bespaarde budget voor een MLU idd anders kunnen gebruiken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/10/2020 | 11:46 uur
Zelf verwacht ik dat de F-35 langer zal meegaan en dat nieuwe technieken erin worden verwerkt. Tegen de jaren 40 zijn ze waarschijnlijk bij Block 5/6 of misschien zelfs Block 7. Meer evolutie dan revolutie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Enforcer op 17/10/2020 | 13:55 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 17/10/2020 | 11:59 uur
Intensiever gebruik zou sowieso goed zijn. Maar bedenk dat de F35 ook ontworpen is op een flink aantal vlieguren. En je zal ze continu moeten upgraden. De vijand staat niet stil, dus wij kunnen dat ook niet doen.

Mee eens. Alleen het frame zal eerder op zijn, verwacht ik.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/10/2020 | 14:18 uur
Citaat van: Enforcer op 17/10/2020 | 13:55 uur
Mee eens. Alleen het frame zal eerder op zijn, verwacht ik.

Daar is al heel wat op getest. Onderstaande quote is van een artikel van 09-2018.

CitaatGround testing includes a full-scale durability airframe of all three variants, which were loaded in unique test rigs and laboratories to simulate ground and flight load conditions during fleet operations. The F-35 aircraft's service lifetime is 8,000 hours, and each test airframe is required to complete two life-times of testing, or 16,000 hours.

The F-35A vastly exceeded the requirement by completing three full life times of testing, or a simulated 24,000 hours, which gives the program confidence in a potential service-life increase.

https://www.australiandefence.com.au/defence/air/f-35-testing-reveals-potential-for-increased-service-life
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/10/2020 | 11:01 uur
Airbus unveils concept of future light combat aircraft

https://defence-blog.com/news/airbus-unveils-concept-of-future-light-combat-aircraft.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/10/2020 | 11:16 uur
Citaat van: Defence Blog op 18/10/2020 | 11:01 uur
Airbus unveils concept of future light combat aircraft

https://defence-blog.com/news/airbus-unveils-concept-of-future-light-combat-aircraft.html

Het wordt druk in de wereld van light combat aircraft gebaseerd op advanced jet trainers.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 19/10/2020 | 09:26 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/10/2020 | 11:01 uur
Airbus unveils concept of future light combat aircraft

https://defence-blog.com/news/airbus-unveils-concept-of-future-light-combat-aircraft.html

Eigenlijk niets nieuws qua ontwerk, lijkt wel een kruising tussen Yak-130 en M-346.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 19/10/2020 | 09:31 uur
FA-XX Concept   (  :P   mooie 3D animatie )

https://www.artstation.com/rodrigoavella

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmM9upX-B4g
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/10/2020 | 22:44 uur
@theF35JPO (F-35 Lightning II Joint Program Office, 19-10-2020)

CitaatCongratulations to the @158FighterWing on receiving their final #F35A!

The Vermont Air National Guard received their 20th F-35A last week. It is the final #F35 to be assigned to the wing since receiving their first two F-35As in September 2019.

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https://twitter.com/theF35JPO/status/1318205525725794305

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/10/2020 | 22:59 uur
@Forsvarmin (Forsvarsministeriet/Danish MoD, 19-10-2020)

CitaatDen første danske F-35'er med halenummer L-001 begynder efterhånden at ligne et rigtigt kampfly.

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https://twitter.com/Forsvarsmin/status/1318142790224707586

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https://twitter.com/Forsvarsmin/status/1318143975216324611
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/10/2020 | 16:23 uur
Eurofighter Submits Offer for 20 New Typhoons to Spain to Replace F-18s

Eurofighter has offered Spain a new batch of fighters under Project Halcon, the country's plan to retire its F-18 Hornets and replace them with the latest-standard Eurofighters between 2025 and 2030.

Eurofighter has submitted proposals for the replacement of the Spanish Air Force's F-18s which are based on the Canary Islands.

Spain is looking to secure 20 new Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft to boost its existing fleet under what is called Project Halcon.

Airbus is in the process of negotiations with the Spanish government to mature the proposal and a contract for the 20 aircraft is expected to be signed in 2021.

The 20 latest-standard Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft would feature the E-Scan radar, which is currently under development. The Spanish Air Force Eurofighter fleet is 73-strong.

The final Spanish Air Force Eurofighter from original orders was delivered earlier this year. Once Project Halcon is agreed it will secure Eurofighter manufacturing and final assembly work at the Airbus facility at Getafe until at least 2030.

Spain has been a supporter of the Eurofighter programme from its inception. In return it has used the programme to develop a robust aeronautical industry, and that in turn has provided Spain with technological independence.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/213881/eurofighter-submits-offer-for-20-new-typhoons-to-spain-to-replace-f_18s.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/10/2020 | 16:50 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 20/10/2020 | 16:23 uur
Eurofighter Submits Offer for 20 New Typhoons to Spain to Replace F-18s

Eurofighter has offered Spain a new batch of fighters under Project Halcon, the country's plan to retire its F-18 Hornets and replace them with the latest-standard Eurofighters between 2025 and 2030.

Eurofighter has submitted proposals for the replacement of the Spanish Air Force's F-18s which are based on the Canary Islands.

Spain is looking to secure 20 new Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft to boost its existing fleet under what is called Project Halcon.

.../...

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/213881/eurofighter-submits-offer-for-20-new-typhoons-to-spain-to-replace-f_18s.html

De Hornets op de Canarische eilanden zijn niet geupgrade zoals de EF-18M (MLU) Hornets. Vraag is waardoor de EF-18M wordt vervangen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/10/2020 | 17:03 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 20/10/2020 | 16:50 uur
De Hornets op de Canarische eilanden zijn niet geupgrade zoals de EF-18M (MLU) Hornets. Vraag is waardoor de EF-18M wordt vervangen.

Spanje is deelnemer aan FCAS.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/10/2020 | 17:07 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/10/2020 | 17:03 uur
Spanje is deelnemer aan FCAS.

Klopt en dat is gericht op de vervanging van de Rafale en de Typhoon. De EF-18M Hornet is eerder aan vervanging toe. En de Spaanse EAV-8B Harrier II Plus haalt ook amper de jaren 30.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/10/2020 | 17:24 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 20/10/2020 | 17:07 uur
Klopt en dat is gericht op de vervanging van de Rafale en de Typhoon. De EF-18M Hornet is eerder aan vervanging toe. En de Spaanse EAV-8B Harrier II Plus haalt ook amper de jaren 30.

Logischerwijs worden, in het kader van FCAS, de oude F18's vervangen door een serie Typhoons (wellicht i.c.m. de Duitse order voor de Tornado vervanger). De keuze rondom de Harrier opvolger kent slechts 2 opties: 1. de F35B of 2. geen vervanging.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 20/10/2020 | 20:04 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/10/2020 | 17:24 uur
Logischerwijs worden, in het kader van FCAS, de oude F18's vervangen door een serie Typhoons (wellicht i.c.m. de Duitse order voor de Tornado vervanger). De keuze rondom de Harrier opvolger kent slechts 2 opties: 1. de F35B of 2. geen vervanging.

Hangt ervan Spanje heeft een luchtvaartindustrie men zou de Spaanse harriers naar 0 uren kunnen brengen en deze voorzien van nieuwe  avonica, nieuwe cockpit instrumenten en een AESA radar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/10/2020 | 20:10 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 20/10/2020 | 20:04 uur
Hangt ervan Spanje heeft een luchtvaartindustrie men zou de Spaanse harriers naar 0 uren kunnen brengen en deze voorzien van nieuwe  avonica, nieuwe cockpit instrumenten en een AESA radar.

Voor die handvol (12) kisten lijkt mij dat geen haalbare oplossing.

Spanish Harrier is at the end of its operational life. Will Spain introduce F-35B or abolish Spanish Navy fixed-wing fleet?

https://www.blogbeforeflight.net/2019/01/spanish-harrier-replacement-f-35b.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 20/10/2020 | 20:18 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/10/2020 | 20:10 uur
Voor die handvol (12) kisten lijkt mij dat geen haalbare oplossing.

Spanish Harrier is at the end of its operational life. Will Spain introduce F-35B or abolish Spanish Navy fixed-wing fleet?

https://www.blogbeforeflight.net/2019/01/spanish-harrier-replacement-f-35b.html

Naar 0 uren brengen en update kan goedkoper zijn dan de aanschaf van de F35B.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/10/2020 | 20:23 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 20/10/2020 | 20:18 uur
Naar 0 uren brengen en update kan goedkoper zijn dan de aanschaf van de F35B.

Vergeet niet dat na 2030 de Amerikaanse en Italiaanse Harrier II buiten dienst zijn gezet. Dan wordt het voor Spanje als laatste gebruiker ter wereld alleen maar duurder om hun eigen vloot operationeel te houden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/10/2020 | 20:28 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 20/10/2020 | 20:23 uur
Vergeet niet dat na 2030 de Amerikaanse en Italiaanse Harrier II buiten dienst zijn gezet. Dan wordt het voor Spanje als laatste gebruiker ter wereld alleen maar duurder om hun eigen vloot operationeel te houden.

Ik zie het als een kansloze gedachtegang, het gaat niet om honderden exemplaren maar om twaalf 35 jaar oude kisten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 20/10/2020 | 20:51 uur
En hoelang gaat hun carrier nog mee?
Gaan ze deze tzt vervangen?
Wat komt er voor terug?

Ik verwacht dat de F35B aangeschaft gaat worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/10/2020 | 21:01 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 20/10/2020 | 20:51 uur
En hoelang gaat hun carrier nog mee?
Gaan ze deze tzt vervangen?
Wat komt er voor terug?

Ik verwacht dat de F35B aangeschaft gaat worden.

De Juan Carlos I werd pas in 2010 in dienst genomen. Ondanks dat dit een LHD is, verving het wel het vliegkampschip Principe de Asturias. En het is F-35B capable.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 20/10/2020 | 21:06 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 20/10/2020 | 21:01 uur
De Juan Carlos I werd pas in 2010 in dienst genomen. Ondanks dat dit een LHD is, verving het wel het vliegkampschip Principe de Asturias. En het is F-35B capable.

Werd de Principe de Asturias niet uit dienst genomen vanwege bezuinigen?

https://english.elpais.com/elpais/2012/05/07/inenglish/1336384711_397574.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/10/2020 | 21:10 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 20/10/2020 | 21:06 uur
Werd de Principe de Asturias niet uit dienst genomen vanwege bezuinigen?

https://english.elpais.com/elpais/2012/05/07/inenglish/1336384711_397574.html

Dat klopt. Zonder die bezuinigingsmaatregel had deze wel langer doorgevaren. En de Juan Carlos I bleef over voor de EAV-8B.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 20/10/2020 | 21:36 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 20/10/2020 | 21:01 uur
De Juan Carlos I werd pas in 2010 in dienst genomen. Ondanks dat dit een LHD is, verving het wel het vliegkampschip Principe de Asturias. En het is F-35B capable.
De Aussies hebben toch een kopie gekocht? Ook voor hen verwacht ik een aanschaf van de F35B.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/10/2020 | 21:44 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 20/10/2020 | 21:36 uur
De Aussies hebben toch een kopie gekocht? Ook voor hen verwacht ik een aanschaf van de F35B.

Het ontwerp van de Juan Carlos I is gebruikt voor de Canberra-klasse en de Turkse LHD.

De meningen verschillen over een mogelijke Australische F-35B aanschaf. Er wordt bekeken of de 24 stuks F/A-18F worden vervangen of niet. Mochten ze worden vervangen, dan is er de wens om het aantal F-35 van 72 stuks naar 100 stuks te brengen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 20/10/2020 | 21:45 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 20/10/2020 | 21:36 uur
De Aussies hebben toch een kopie gekocht? Ook voor hen verwacht ik een aanschaf van de F35B.

De  Aussies hebben 2 schepen gekocht en ervan afgezien om de F35B te gaan afschaffen omdat deze te duur is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/10/2020 | 09:50 uur
Pratt & Whitney Awarded Contract for F135 Engine Modernization Study

East Hartford, Conn., October 20, 2020 – Pratt & Whitney, a division of Raytheon Technologies Corp. (NYSE: RTX), today announced that it has been awarded a $1.5M contract to conduct an F135 modernization study and operational assessment by the F-35 Joint Program Office to determine specific propulsion system growth requirements for Block 4.2 F-35 aircraft and beyond. The study is expected to conclude in March 2021.

"This award is a significant milestone for the program and the warfighter, as we look to ensure the F135 propulsion system continues to provide the foundation for all air vehicle capability requirements over the full lifecycle of the F-35," said Matthew Bromberg, president, Pratt & Whitney Military Engines. "As we look to the future, growth in aircraft capability must be met with matched propulsion modernization. Fortunately, the F135 has ample design margin to support agile and affordable upgrades that will enable all F-35 operators to keep pace with evolving threat environments."

Under this award, Pratt & Whitney will assess F135 engine enhancements required to support future F-35 weapon system capability requirements across all F-35 variants beginning with Block 4.2 aircraft. The scope of the assessment focuses on enhancements addressing improvements to up and away thrust, powered lift thrust, power and thermal management capacity, and fuel burn reduction.

Designed with the knowledge that operational environments will evolve and threats will advance, the F135 is postured to meet future F-35 capability requirements. Its modular design and advanced digital architecture allow for the agile development and spiral insertion of both hardware and software upgrades. As part of the study, Pratt & Whitney's GATORWORKS organization will complete the conceptual design and analysis of multiple F135 Engine Enhancement Package (EEP) growth options with phased insertion plans.

Leveraging significant U.S. Government and Pratt & Whitney investment in next generation adaptive propulsion technologies, Pratt & Whitney's EEP approach offers low risk, variant-common upgrade options for the F135 that provide increased performance aligned with the program's continuous capability development and delivery (C2D2) strategy and serve as a critical enabler for future capability growth of the F-35 weapon system.

The combat-proven F135 is the most advanced operational fighter engine in the world, delivering 26% more thrust, 116% more powered lift, and more than a 300% increase in power and thermal management over 4th generation fighter engines – all with a demonstrated mission capability rate of greater than 94%.

"Built upon decades of combat propulsion experience, the F135 provides the warfighter with a critical technological advantage over adversaries at an unparalleled value to the taxpayer," said Bromberg. "With more than 40,000 lbs. of thrust, unmatched low-observable signature, world-class thermal management, and innovative engine control system, the F135 is a critical enabler of the F-35 weapons system and of operations conducted in advanced threat environments – a core element of the National Defense Strategy."

https://newsroom.prattwhitney.com/2020-10-20-Pratt-Whitney-Awarded-Contract-for-F135-Modernization-Study
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/10/2020 | 09:58 uur
First F-35A for Denmark Progressing Towards Delivery

October 21, 2020

The first Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II for the Royal Danish Air Force is standing with weight on wheels for the first time, a significant milestone for the jet as it moves down the production line at Lockheed Martin's mile-long assembly plant in Fort Worth, Texas.

Denmark's first F-35, known as AP-1, was lifted by an overhead crane on September 15 from an electronic mate and alignment station where its forward and rear fuselage sections were joined to the wing-center fuselage assembly. The aircraft will now travel to final assembly, where its control surfaces will be added, along with final systems and engine installation.

AP-1 is due to roll out of the factory in early 2021 and will initially be based at Luke AFB, Arizona, where they will be part of the training of Danish pilots. The reception of the F-35 aircrafts in the Air Force will be completed over a period of six years from 2021 to 2026.

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https://www.f35.com/news/detail/18431

Edit. Zie filmpje van Lockheed Martin in onderstaande link

https://twitter.com/thef35/status/1319034134338076673
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/10/2020 | 22:34 uur
Sweden solidifies plan to retain Gripen C/D beyond 2026

23 OCTOBER 2020

by Gareth Jennings

The Swedish Air Force (SwAF) will retain a number of its Saab JAS 39 Gripen C/D fighters beyond their current planned 2026 retirement date, solidifying an earlier announced plan to make up an anticipated shortfall in Gripen E numbers.

The plan, announced by the Swedish Defence Ministry in mid-October and confirmed by manufacturer Saab on 23 October, is part of a wider increase in national defence spending by more than 40% between 2021 and 2025 that was revealed by Swedish defence minister Peter Hultqvist.

Of the current six Gripen C/D squadrons fielded by the SwAF, four are set to transition to the Gripen E over the coming years. As revealed in Hultqvist's latest announcement, the two outstanding squadrons will remain operational with their existing Gripen C/D aircraft.

In 2017 Janes first reported comments made by a senior SwAf officer who said that with only 60 Gripen Es to be delivered from 2022 through to 2026, the service was mooting the possibility of retaining a number of its 73 Gripen Cs beyond this final delivery date to address a numbers gap (it had already been disclosed that a number of the 24 twin-seat Gripen Ds would likely be retained as operational trainers).

Although retaining a number of Gripen Cs was an option, at that time there was no additional money to fund such a plan. As noted by Saab, not only is the money now there but a date of 'beyond 2030' has been set for their retention.

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Having earlier announced it would like to retain a number of its Gripen C/D fighters in service beyond their planned 2026 retirement date, the money and the political will has now been found to make this plan a reality. (Saab)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/sweden-solidifies-plan-to-retain-gripen-cd-beyond-2026
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/10/2020 | 22:41 uur
First arctic survival kits installed in Eielson F-35As

EIELSON AIR FORCE BASE, Alaska -- In November of 2019, Airmen from the 354th Fighter Wing developed a new arctic survival kit for the F-35A Lightning II. Now, 11 months later, the first kits are being installed in Eielson's F-35A fleet.

Eielson's F-35As are the first of the Air Force's fleet to be stationed in an arctic climate, which drove the need for a new survival kit. After months of research, development and testing, the design was sent to the 354th Operations Group commander for approval. In April the kit was given the "green light" and aircrew flight equipment Airmen got busy building them for the approaching winter.

"Due to the smaller size of the seat we are limited on how many items we can pack in here," said U.S. Air Force Staff Sgt. Ross Dugger, a 354th Operations Support Squadron AFE craftsman. "Over the years, we've worked with [survival, evasion, resistance and escape specialists] to develop this kit and decided what is the most essential equipment needed to survive."

Airmen from AFE are responsible for packing the kit to fit a specific size in the F-35A before it is ready to go into the jet. The kit consists of survival tools and equipment to help pilots in case of an emergency ejection to include a knife for gathering food, a poncho to stay dry, and flares to signal rescue teams.

"It's been a learning curve, with the seats being so new they are not as easy to pack," Dugger said. "With time we will become more efficient and continue to ensure our pilots' safety."

After the kit has been packed and fitted to the seat, Airmen assigned to the 354th Maintenance Squadron Aircrew Egress Flight bring the kit to the jet and carefully swap the summer kit with the arctic kit. While doing this, Egress also inspects the seat for discrepancies to ensure the pilot will be safe if they eject.

"We are starting from the ground up, setting up systems and learning as we go," said Staff Sgt. Victor Benitez, a 354th MXS Aircrew Egress specialist. "There's a lot of components and sometimes it can take a long time to put just one bolt in, but it has to be done so that everything works 100 percent of the time."

The new arctic seat kits will be installed on all of Eielson's F-35A fleet and could potentially be used by some partner nations who have F-35s in similar climates.

"Hopefully they never have to use these items but I take a lot of pride in my work, which could potentially save a pilot's life," Dugger said.

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U.S. Air Force Staff Sgt. Victor Benitez, a 354th Maintenance Squadron (MXS) Aircrew Egress journeyman, and Tech. Sgt. Rylee James, a 354th MXS Aircrew Egress F-35A Lightning II cadre member, install the new arctic survival seat kit for the F-35A on Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska, Sept. 28, 2020. Airmen from the 354th Fighter Wing developed a new arctic survival kit for F-35A pilots which is being installed into Eielson's fleet. (U.S. Air Force photo by Senior Airman Beaux Hebert)

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U.S. Air Force Staff Sgt. Ross Dugger, a 354th Operations Support Squadron Aircrew Flight Equipment craftsman, lays out the contents of the new arctic survival seat kit for the F-35A Lighting II on Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska, Sept. 25, 2020. Some of the contents include a knife for gathering food, a poncho to stay dry and flares to signal rescue teams. (U.S. Air Force photo by Senior Airman Beaux Hebert)

https://www.eielson.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2384752/first-arctic-survival-kits-installed-in-eielson-f-35as/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/10/2020 | 22:48 uur
Italy receives final Eurofighter, closing core nation programme of record

26 OCTOBER 2020

by Gareth Jennings

Italy has received into service its final Eurofighter combat aircraft, concluding the current core nation programme of record (PoR) that also includes Germany, Spain, and the United Kingdom.

Leonardo announced the milestone on 23 October, with the Tranche 3 aircraft being delivered to the Italian Air Force (Aeronautica Militare Italiana: AMI) from its plant in Caselle near Turin was the most advanced.

"The delivery of the last aircraft, which completes the Eurofighter fleet, is the main asset of a complex and diversified national and NATO air-defence system, is a major programme milestone," AMI Chief of Staff, Lieutenant General Alberto Rosso, said at the handover ceremony of the aircraft, which is destined for the Italian Air Force's 51st Wing Istrana Air Base.

With this handover, Italy now has a fleet of 96 Eurofighters. The other core nations of Germany, Spain, and the United Kingdom have each received 143, 73, and 160 aircraft respectively, completing their PoRs through to Tranche 3A. Export nations Austria, Oman, and Saudi Arabia have received 15, 12, and 72 aircraft respectively, while Kuwait and Qatar are still due to receive the 28 and 24 aircraft that they have ordered. The national production lines at Warton in the UK, Manching in Germany, Caselle in Italy, and Getafe in Spain will continue to manufacture parts for these customers, with final assembly taking place at Warton for Qatar and at Caselle for Kuwait.

In total, 623 Eurofighters have been ordered by the nine nations, of which 571 have been delivered.

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Italy's 96th and final Eurofighter was delivered to the air force during a ceremony at Leonardo's Caselle facility near Turin. (Leonardo)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/italy-receives-final-eurofighter-closing-core-nation-programme-of-record
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/10/2020 | 08:58 uur
Greece reportedly will take delivery of six F-35As meant for Turkey  (..  >:(  that hurts....  ;) )

New reports from Greece say that the United States has agreed to sell 20 F-35A fighters to Greece, six of them will be jets that were originally ordered by Turkey but not delivered.

http://alert5.com/2020/10/28/greece-reportedly-will-take-delivery-of-six-f-35as-meant-for-turkey/#more-85336
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/10/2020 | 09:10 uur
Boeing Promises C$61Bn Returns if Canada Chooses Super Hornet

Boeing, Partners Commit to Boost Canadian Economy by $61 Billion

Through five new agreements, Boeing and its Canadian aerospace partners are preparing to deliver C$61 billion and nearly 250,000 jobs to the Canadian economy.

"Canada is one of Boeing's most enduring partners and has continuously demonstrated that they have a robust and capable industry supporting both our commercial and defence businesses," said Charles "Duff" Sullivan, Boeing Canada managing director. "The large scale and scope of these Canadian projects reinforces Boeing's commitment to Canada and gives us an opportunity to build on our motto of promises made, promises kept."

According to new data and projections from economists at Ottawa-based Doyletech Corp., the total economic benefits to Canada and its workforce for the acquisition of the F/A-18 Block III Super Hornet will last for at least 40 years and benefit all regions thanks to billions of dollars in economic growth. A Super Hornet selection for the Future Fighter Capability Project (FFCP) is also expected to deliver hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs critical to the country's economic recovery.

"At a time when Canada is working toward recovery efforts coming out of the pandemic, a Super Hornet selection would provide exactly the boost that we need," said Rick Clayton, economist at Doyletech Corp. "Boeing and its Super Hornet industry partners have a long track record of delivering economic growth to Canada, which gave us the confidence that our data and detailed projections are extremely accurate."

Today's announcement includes partnerships with five of Canada's largest aerospace companies outlining how they would benefit from a Block III Super Hornet selection in the FFCP:

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https://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/214021/boeing-promises-c%2461bn-returns-if-canada-chooses-super-hornet.html

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/10/2020 | 09:45 uur
Citaat van: Alert 5 op 29/10/2020 | 08:58 uur
Greece reportedly will take delivery of six F-35As meant for Turkey  (..  >:(  that hurts....  ;) )

New reports from Greece say that the United States has agreed to sell 20 F-35A fighters to Greece, six of them will be jets that were originally ordered by Turkey but not delivered.

http://alert5.com/2020/10/28/greece-reportedly-will-take-delivery-of-six-f-35as-meant-for-turkey/#more-85336

Dit neem ik ter kennisgeving aan, maar hoor het liever van een officiële bron. Op dit moment vliegen 14 stuks F-35A die oorspronkelijk voor Turkije waren bedoeld. Laat die ex-Turkse F-35A's fijn op Luke AFB voor de (internationale) vliegopleiding. Heeft de hele F-35 wereld er plezier aan  ;D

Griekenland heeft denk ik meer aan Lot 15+ toestellen met de vernieuwde hardware (TR3) en nieuwere Block 4 software.

http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-35/serials-and-inventory/airforce/TuAF/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 29/10/2020 | 09:51 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 29/10/2020 | 09:45 uur
Dit neem ik ter kennisgeving aan, maar hoor het liever van een officiële bron. Op dit moment vliegen 14 stuks F-35A die oorspronkelijk voor Turkije waren bedoeld. Laat die ex-Turkse F-35A's fijn op Luke AFB voor de (internationale) vliegopleiding. Heeft de hele F-35 wereld er plezier aan  ;D

Griekenland heeft denk ik meer aan Lot 15+ toestellen met de vernieuwde hardware (TR3) en nieuwere Block 4 software.

http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-35/serials-and-inventory/airforce/TuAF/

Een levering aan de grieken van ex-Turkse F-35's is natuurlijk niks meer dan symbolische verkoop. Het geeft de Grieken een next gen fighter en dat steekt extra hard omdat ze eigenlijk voor de Turken bedoeld waren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/10/2020 | 09:59 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 29/10/2020 | 09:51 uur
Een levering aan de grieken van ex-Turkse F-35's is natuurlijk niks meer dan symbolische verkoop. Het geeft de Grieken een next gen fighter en dat steekt extra hard omdat ze eigenlijk voor de Turken bedoeld waren.

Inderdaad symbolisch, maar moet Griekenland blij zijn met specifiek ex-Turkse F-35A's? Waarom niet alle 20 stuks af fabriek?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/10/2020 | 10:00 uur
Boeing would perform Canadian Super Hornet final assembly in US

29 OCTOBER 2020

by Pat Host

Boeing would perform final assembly of its F/A-18 Block III Super Hornets in the United States rather than Canada if it wins Canada's Future Fighter Capability Project (FFCP) competition.

Jim Barnes, Boeing Defense, Space, and Security director of business development in Canada, on 27 October cited the small production run for performing final assembly in St. Louis, Missouri, where the Super Hornet is built. Canada will purchase 88 advanced fighters as part of its competition with the first aircraft anticipated for 2025. The procurement is expected to be worth USD11-14 billion.

"It was decided that the benefits of standing up these types of operations in Canada were not worth the investment," Barnes said. "We are concentrating on the decades of life cycle support for our partners' work share, including potential work on US Navy Super Hornets."

Boeing is competing against the Saab Gripen E with production in Canada and the Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) for the FFCP. The winning company will replace the Royal Canadian Air Force's (RCAF's) legacy Boeing F/A-18 (CF-18/CF-188 in national service) fighter fleet.

The industrial and technical benefits (ITB) portion of an offeror's bid is an important part of a proposal. Jennifer Seidman, Boeing international strategic partnerships country manager for Canada, said on 27 October that both defence production and skills development were part of the company's ITB proposal, but that she could not provide further details.

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Artist's illustration of Boeing's Block III Super Hornets with Canadian logos. Two experts that spoke with Janes said Boeing's proposal to perform Block III Super Hornet final assembly in the US and not Canada if it won Canada's fighter competition was a reasonable business decision. (Boeing)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/boeing-would-perform-canadian-super-hornet-final-assembly-in-us
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 30/10/2020 | 08:52 uur
UAE could get up to 50 F-35s in $10B sale

The U.S. State Department is backing the sale of as many as 50 F-35 joint strike fighters to the United Arab Emirates in an arms deal worth an estimated $10.4 billion, according to multiple reports.

The news came as the Trump administration informally briefed Congress on its plan to sell the advanced F-35 fighter to the United Arab Emirates Thursday. It follows weeks of speculation and behind-the-scenes debates about how to structure an F-35 deal with the UAE without cutting into Israel's qualitative military edge.

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https://www.defensenews.com/2020/10/29/uae-could-get-up-to-50-f-35s-in-10b-sale/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/11/2020 | 10:23 uur
Future Combat Mission System consortium charts FCAS progress

03 NOVEMBER 2020

by Gareth Jennings

Germany's Future Combat Mission System (FCMS) consortium has charted the progress being made in developing sensor technology for the Future Combat Air System (FCAS).

On 3 November the FCMS consortium of Hensoldt, Diehl Defence, ESG, and Rohde & Schwarz reported good overall progress in its efforts to develop the future suite of FCAS sensors alongside its Spanish partner Indra and France's Thales. In particular, it noted advancements in developing what it termed the 4π Meta Sensor Effector System (MSES).

"The FCMS experts [have] provided both a clear, forward-looking overview of the technological challenges, such as the 4π MSES, where 4π describes the complete volume of sensor space around the platforms as well as the effectors. Also well received [at recent briefings], some important insights into the operational requirements for the future system of systems from the perspective of an experienced fighter pilot," FCMS said.

On its website, FCMS describes 4π MSES as enabling "the rapid orchestration in the integrated sensor-effector network, not only as a counterpoint to the ground-based enemy air-defence networks, but also to expected [airborne threats to the] FCAS and Next-Generation Weapon System (NGWS). In many cases, individual sensors and effectors will have to perform several tasks in parallel, for example, on the basis of multifunctionality. Electronically scanned [radar] systems or distributed apertures of passive sensor systems that can perform several tasks synchronously, for example, by means of electronic beam control and suitable resource management, pave the way for this."

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The FCAS 'system of systems' concept, for which the German FCMS consortium is developing sensors alongside Indra of Spain and Thales of France. (Airbus via Janes/Gareth Jennings)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/future-combat-mission-system-consortium-charts-fcas-progress
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 04/11/2020 | 12:24 uur
Israel krijgt toestemming om F22 Raptor te kopen volgens dit bericht.
Denk wel dat de hele productielijn weer moet worden geactiveerd hiervoor.
Eerst zal het congres akkoord moeten geven voor de export naar Israel.

https://www.facebook.com/Mcognizance/photos/a.276504806552344/720145385521615/

Raptor reborn!!!❇️

✳️After the acceptation to sell F-35 Lightning IIs to the United Arab Emirates, the U.S. has now given the green light for the sale of some 50 F-22 Raptors to Israel for roughly $10.4 billion, an unprecedeted decision, as this advanced fighter jet has never been sold to a foreign country. By doing so, the U.S. is implementing its commitment to guarantee a military superiority to Israel.🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱

U.S. Secretary of Defense Mark Esper told Israeli officials during a visit to Israel this week that the Trump administration has approved selling F-22 Raptors to the Jewish state, according to a Friday 30 October report in the Saudi-owned Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper citing senior sources in Tel Aviv, Trump has cleared the sale of the F-22 Raptor with precision-guided bombs to Israel. The Times of Israel Staff and Judah Ari Gross report.

Such a sale would first require the U.S. Congress to overturn a current law barring Washington from exporting the F-22. The House of The House of Representatives passed the law in 1998 over concerns that the nigh-unparalleled stealth technology in the F-22 could fall into the hands of Russia or China if the aircraft were sold abroad, including to Israel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 04/11/2020 | 12:33 uur
Citaat van: pz op 04/11/2020 | 12:24 uur
Israel krijgt toestemming om F22 Raptor te kopen volgens dit bericht.
Denk wel dat de hele productielijn weer moet worden geactiveerd hiervoor.
Eerst zal het congres akkoord moeten geven voor de export naar Israel.

https://www.facebook.com/Mcognizance/photos/a.276504806552344/720145385521615/

:hrmph:  ik weet niet hoor ? , zowel de USAF wilde extra F-22 maar was te duur om opnieuw de lijn op te starten en ook de Aussies hadden liever de F-22 gehad.
Het lijkt me niet waarschijnlijk dat de lijn wel opnieuw opgestart wordt, voor een klein aantal nieuwe toestellen. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/11/2020 | 12:41 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 04/11/2020 | 12:33 uur
:hrmph:  ik weet niet hoor ? , zowel de USAF wilde extra F-22 maar was te duur om opnieuw de lijn op te starten en ook de Aussies hadden liever de F-22 gehad.
Het lijkt me niet waarschijnlijk dat de lijn wel opnieuw opgestart wordt, voor een klein aantal nieuwe toestellen.

Hier is al veel over geschreven en men heeft geconcludeerd dat het veel te kostbaar is om een volledig afgebroken lijn opnieuw op te bouwen, zeker niet voor enkele tientallen exemplaren.

Occasions? Volledig onwaarschijnlijk gezien het geringe aantal (< 200 exemplaren) binnen de USAF die ook nog eens als cruciaal bestempeld zijn.

Een andere werkelijkheid zou kunnen ontstaan als de VS aanzienlijk verder is (dan publiekelijk bekend) met NGAD (de beoogde opvolger van de F22A) in dat geval zouden misschien een x aantal F22A zwaar gemoderniseerd kunnen worden voor andere partijen.

Ik zou dit met hele zak zout nemen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 04/11/2020 | 12:50 uur
Natuurlijk gaat die lijn weer open. F22's komen nu eenmaal niet in een happy meal. Waar wil je ze anders vandaan halen
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 04/11/2020 | 13:00 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 04/11/2020 | 12:33 uur
:hrmph:  ik weet niet hoor ? , zowel de USAF wilde extra F-22 maar was te duur om opnieuw de lijn op te starten en ook de Aussies hadden liever de F-22 gehad.
Het lijkt me niet waarschijnlijk dat de lijn wel opnieuw opgestart wordt, voor een klein aantal nieuwe toestellen.

Ik ben het met je eens, heb/had ook mijn vraagtekens.
Heb het wel geplaatst omdat er een officiële reactie is geweest vanuit Mark Esper US. secretary of defense.   
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/11/2020 | 13:16 uur
Mocht de F-22 lijn weer open gaan, dan wordt het zeker geen goedkope. Ook nog maar zien wie er van de oorspronkelijke toeleveranciers nog over zijn. En dan de interne systemen die toe zijn aan een flinke upgrade.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 04/11/2020 | 13:27 uur
Het lijkt me niet dat de lijn open gaat. Het lijkt me nog eerder waarschijnlijker dat de VS bestaande F-22 verkoopt aan Israël, maar .... niet voordat de vervanger zijn intrede zal doen.

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/11/2020 | 12:41 uur
Een andere werkelijkheid zou kunnen ontstaan als de VS aanzienlijk verder is (dan publiekelijk bekend) met NGAD (de beoogde opvolger van de F22A) in dat geval zouden misschien een x aantal F22A zwaar gemoderniseerd kunnen worden voor andere partijen.

precies.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/11/2020 | 13:38 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 04/11/2020 | 12:50 uur
Natuurlijk gaat die lijn weer open. F22's komen nu eenmaal niet in een happy meal. Waar wil je ze anders vandaan halen

Ergens denk ik dat je teleurgesteld zal worden...

Here's The F-22 Production Restart Study The USAF Has Kept Secret For Over A Year

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20633/exclusive-heres-the-f-22-production-restart-study-the-usaf-has-kept-secret-for-over-a-year
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 04/11/2020 | 13:55 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/11/2020 | 13:38 uur
Ergens denk ik dat je teleurgesteld zal worden...

Here's The F-22 Production Restart Study The USAF Has Kept Secret For Over A Year

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20633/exclusive-heres-the-f-22-production-restart-study-the-usaf-has-kept-secret-for-over-a-year
Ik zie de Israëliërs niet snel 2e handse toestellen overnemen. Daarnaast heb ik een broertje dood aan kostenberekeningen van wapensystemen.

We gaan het zien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Nikehercules op 04/11/2020 | 14:10 uur
Wellicht speelt er nog veel meer op de achtergrond en zijn er meer gegadigden, misschien zelfs de USAF.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/11/2020 | 14:21 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 04/11/2020 | 13:55 uur
Ik zie de Israëliërs niet snel 2e handse toestellen overnemen. Daarnaast heb ik een broertje dood aan koatenberekeningen van wapensystemen.

We gaan het zien.

Die zie ik ook geen tweedehands overnemen terwijl een new kid on the block aanstaande is/lijkt.

Zie ter info ook een Japanse inspiraties:

Will Japan really build a modernized F-22? - Asia Times https://asiatimes.com/2019/04/will-japan-really-build-a-modernized-f-22/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 04/11/2020 | 14:24 uur
Citaat van: Nikehercules op 04/11/2020 | 14:10 uur
Wellicht speelt er nog veel meer op de achtergrond en zijn er meer gegadigden, misschien zelfs de USAF.

Veel meer. Ik heb het hele artikel eens afgelezen, onderaan zegt de schrijver ook wat ik zei. Kostenberekeningen van wapenprogrammas zijn niet te overzien. Vaak wordt er gegoocheld met cijfers t.b.v het sturen van financiën en financieringen counter orders etc. etc.

Als de productie lijn miljarden heeft gekost..miljarden. en dan 'dichtgaat' en wel wordt opgeborgenmaar bijna meer geld vereist om te herstarten dan een hele nieuwe te bouwen kom je ook aan hele andere stuksprijzen dan nu zijn gegeven. Hier is ook vrij weinig over te zeggen.

Het hele feit dat het rapport van de F22 productie lijn de-classified is vind ik al vreemd. Ik trek mijn eigen conclusie en denk dat dat rapport vergelijkbaar is met Trumps belastingaangifte formulieren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/11/2020 | 14:24 uur
Citaat van: Nikehercules op 04/11/2020 | 14:10 uur
Wellicht speelt er nog veel meer op de achtergrond en zijn er meer gegadigden, misschien zelfs de USAF.

Als dat het geval is, dan veranderd het plaatje. Misschien is hun 6e generatie (NGAD) een geheel nieuw ontwerp of borduurt men uiteindelijk voort op de F22A of zelfs de YF23. (die laatste was in vele opzichten superieur aan de F22).

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/11/2020 | 14:45 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/11/2020 | 14:21 uur
Zie ter info ook een Japanse inspiraties:

Will Japan really build a modernized F-22? - Asia Times https://asiatimes.com/2019/04/will-japan-really-build-a-modernized-f-22/

Verwacht dat MHI met wat anders komt.

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/2020/10/30/japan-names-contractor-to-build-its-future-fighter-jet/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/11/2020 | 14:53 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 04/11/2020 | 14:45 uur
Verwacht dat MHI met wat anders komt.

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/2020/10/30/japan-names-contractor-to-build-its-future-fighter-jet/

Ja, de gedachte van een Japanse variant van de F22 is reeds gestorven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/11/2020 | 22:37 uur
Germany approves 'Quadriga' Eurofighters

05 NOVEMBER 2020

by Gareth Jennings

Germany has approved the procurement of additional Eurofighter combat aircraft for the Luftwaffe under the country's Project Quadriga procurement plan.

The country's parliament cleared the launch of the multi-billion Euro project for 38 newbuild Eurofighters on 5 November, one day after the Defence Committee had given its approval.

"We [will] procure 38 Eurofighters [of the] the latest generation. Today the Haushaltsausschuss [Budget Committee] gave the green light to the German Bundestag. The aircraft will be delivered to the Bundeswehr for a modern and sustainable Luftwaffe," the Federal Ministry of Defence (BMVg) tweeted. A contract is now expected to be signed in the coming days.

As previously reported by Janes , Project Quadriga will see the Luftwaffe replace 38 Tranche 1 Eurofighters, which will be sold to the international market, with new-build Tranche 3 aircraft (although Airbus officials are increasingly referring to these new aircraft as Tranche 4). These 31 single-seater (currently planned to comprise 26 firm orders with options for five more) and seven twin-seater aircraft will be equipped with the E-Scan Radar 1 active electronically scanned array (AESA) sensor and updated software.

While Airbus first briefed about Project Quadriga in November 2019, the German government announced its intent to award the contract in April. This planned procurement is part of a wider buy of 138 new aircraft for the Luftwaffe that will also include 55 Eurofighters and 30 Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets for the Tornado replacement programme, and 15 Boeing EA-18G Growlers for the requirement for the Luftgestützte Wirkung im Elektromagnetischen Spektrum (luWES) electronic attack (EA) programme for NATO.

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The Luftwaffe is to retire its 38 Tranche 1 Eurofighters and replace them with Tranche 3 aircraft fitted to the new Quadriga configuration (Airbus)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/germany-approves-quadriga-eurofighters
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/11/2020 | 22:52 uur
50 stuks F-35A en bijbehorende munitie (o.a. 802 stuks AIM-120C8) voor VAE is nu officieel medegedeeld aan het Amerikaanse Congres. Afwachten of zij hiermee instemmen.

https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/united-arab-emirates-f-35-joint-strike-fighter

https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/united-arab-emirates-munitions-sustainment-and-support-0
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 11/11/2020 | 09:24 uur
Wat een aantallen zeg, zowel in kisten als in munitie.
Is de C8 variant van de AMRAAM nieuw trouwens? Ik had enkel van de C5 en C7 gehoord.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/11/2020 | 09:33 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 11/11/2020 | 09:24 uur
Wat een aantallen zeg, zowel in kisten als in munitie.


Grofweg 16 pijltjes per kist, valt best mee als je er over nadenkt. Dat wij in Nederland na een halve dag oorlog al door onze voorraad heen zijn is dan weer een ander verhaal.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/11/2020 | 09:43 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 11/11/2020 | 09:24 uur
Is de C8 variant van de AMRAAM nieuw trouwens? Ik had enkel van de C5 en C7 gehoord.

De AIM-120D variant heette oorspronkelijk AIM-120C8. Het is mij niet duidelijk of dit nog steeds dezelfde is of dat het toch een modernere AIM-120C is.

Nederland wil de AIM-120C8 ook graag.

https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/netherlands-aim-120c-8-advanced-medium-range-air-air-missile-amraam
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 11/11/2020 | 09:46 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/11/2020 | 09:43 uur
De AIM-120D variant heette oorspronkelijk AIM-120C8. Het is mij niet duidelijk of dit nog steeds dezelfde is of dat het toch een modernere AIM-120C is.

Nederland wil de AIM-120C8 ook graag.

https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/netherlands-aim-120c-8-advanced-medium-range-air-air-missile-amraam
Dank!
Alleen wij kopen er 16 voor onze 46 kisten...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/11/2020 | 09:51 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 11/11/2020 | 09:46 uur
Dank!
Alleen wij kopen er 16 voor onze 46 kisten...

Op één of andere manier gaat het voor Nederland altijd om kleine aantallen, maar ik weet niet of voor vervolgbestellingen weer dit soort berichten en Amerikaanse goedkeuringen nodig zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 11/11/2020 | 09:52 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/11/2020 | 09:43 uur
De AIM-120D variant heette oorspronkelijk AIM-120C8. Het is mij niet duidelijk of dit nog steeds dezelfde is of dat het toch een modernere AIM-120C is.

Nederland wil de AIM-120C8 ook graag.

https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/netherlands-aim-120c-8-advanced-medium-range-air-air-missile-amraam
Dat lijkt mij weinig. Is dat ook zo? Doen wij dat voor een reden? Natuurlijk is het goedkoper om er 16 aan te schaffen dan 800. En er is een gerede kans dat we die 16 ook nooit gaan gebruiken in een conflict (...) Maar stel dat er wel nood aan de man is, dan zullen 16 er rijkelijk weinig zijn. Die dingen bestel je niet bij bol.com en die heb je niet morgen in huis.

Waarom bestelt NL er maar 16 en een VAE 802?
Kan iemand mij dat uitleggen of hebben wij nog een voorraad liggen van andere types?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 11/11/2020 | 10:53 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 11/11/2020 | 09:52 uur
Dat lijkt mij weinig. Is dat ook zo? Doen wij dat voor een reden? Natuurlijk is het goedkoper om er 16 aan te schaffen dan 800. En er is een gerede kans dat we die 16 ook nooit gaan gebruiken in een conflict (...) Maar stel dat er wel nood aan de man is, dan zullen 16 er rijkelijk weinig zijn. Die dingen bestel je niet bij bol.com en die heb je niet morgen in huis.

Waarom bestelt NL er maar 16 en een VAE 802?
Kan iemand mij dat uitleggen of hebben wij nog een voorraad liggen van andere types?
Nederland heeft iig nog een voorraad van de oudere AIM-120B pijlen liggen, geen idee hoeveel.
Deze zijn echter niet geschikt voor de F-35 vanwege de grotere vinnen.
Hetzelfde geldt voor de AIM-9M/L. Vermoed dat deze voorraad nog best flink kan zijn, aangezien die nog in het Koude Oorlog-tijdperk zijn aangeschaft.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/11/2020 | 11:02 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 11/11/2020 | 10:53 uur
Hetzelfde geldt voor de AIM-9M/L. Vermoed dat deze voorraad nog best flink kan zijn, aangezien die nog in het Koude Oorlog-tijdperk zijn aangeschaft.

De AIM-9L werd gemoderniseerd naar AIM-9Li (improved) en later werden nieuwe AIM-9M geleverd. Inmiddels is er de AIM-9X Block II en deze wordt over niet al te lange tijd met de AIM-9X Block II+ (specifieke variant voor de F-35) aangevuld.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Nikehercules op 11/11/2020 | 21:56 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 11/11/2020 | 09:52 uur
Dat lijkt mij weinig. Is dat ook zo?

Een vrij gebruikelijke bewapening voor een F-16 in een A/A configuratie is 2x AIM-9 en 4x AIM-120. Met 16x AIM-120 kun je dus een 'viertje' op de mat brengen (standaard gevechtsformatie in een hoog geweldsspectrum). Tijdens een conflict tegen een gelijkwaardige tegenstander zijn missiles als peut: een F-16 vertrekt mét, en komt terug zonder.

16x AIM-120 is dus voldoende voor 1 A/A missie van 4 vliegtuigen in een matige A/A configuratie. Mocht je daarna nog wat overhouden heb je mazzel.

16x AIM-120 is prima voor vredestijd QRA en zelfverdediging op safari. Dat zal de initiele bedoeling wel zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: artemivanov op 12/11/2020 | 08:42 uur

Neem aan dat er wel ergens een contract ligt om een strategische voorraad aan te spreken?
(zal niet alleen voor deze pijlen gelden, maar defensie brede voorraden?)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 12/11/2020 | 08:50 uur
Citaat van: artemivanov op 12/11/2020 | 08:42 uur
Neem aan dat er wel ergens een contract ligt om een strategische voorraad aan te spreken?
(zal niet alleen voor deze pijlen gelden, maar defensie brede voorraden?)
Dat is volgens mij de hele discussie. Die is er dus niet .
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/11/2020 | 09:29 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/11/2020 | 09:43 uur
De AIM-120D variant heette oorspronkelijk AIM-120C8. Het is mij niet duidelijk of dit nog steeds dezelfde is of dat het toch een modernere AIM-120C is.

Vond een citaat over de AIM-120C-8 in onderstaand document.

CitaatThe AIM–120C–8 is a form, fit, function refresh of the AIM–120C–7 and is the next generation to be produced.

https://www.congress.gov/116/crec/2020/11/10/CREC-2020-11-10-pt1-PgS6646.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 12/11/2020 | 09:39 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/11/2020 | 11:02 uur
De AIM-9L werd gemoderniseerd naar AIM-9Li (improved) en later werden nieuwe AIM-9M geleverd. Inmiddels is er de AIM-9X Block II en deze wordt over niet al te lange tijd met de AIM-9X Block II+ (specifieke variant voor de F-35) aangevuld.
De vraag is: wat hiermee te doen. De AIM-9L/M is immers niet geschikt voor de F-35
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/11/2020 | 09:46 uur
Citaat van: JdL op 12/11/2020 | 09:39 uur
De vraag is: wat hiermee te doen. De AIM-9L/M is immers niet geschikt voor de F-35

Misschien onderdelen strippen? In de AIM-9X zitten onderdelen van de AIM-9M. Als dat niet wordt gedaan, dan misschien verkopen of schenken aan een ander NAVO land. Ze vinden wel een doel voor deze voorraad.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 12/11/2020 | 10:17 uur
Citaat van: Nikehercules op 11/11/2020 | 21:56 uur
Een vrij gebruikelijke bewapening voor een F-16 in een A/A configuratie is 2x AIM-9 en 4x AIM-120. Met 16x AIM-120 kun je dus een 'viertje' op de mat brengen (standaard gevechtsformatie in een hoog geweldsspectrum). Tijdens een conflict tegen een gelijkwaardige tegenstander zijn missiles als peut: een F-16 vertrekt mét, en komt terug zonder.

16x AIM-120 is dus voldoende voor 1 A/A missie van 4 vliegtuigen in een matige A/A configuratie. Mocht je daarna nog wat overhouden heb je mazzel.

16x AIM-120 is prima voor vredestijd QRA en zelfverdediging op safari. Dat zal de initiele bedoeling wel zijn.
Dank voor de uitleg. Dat was mijn idee ook; 16 zijn er tijdens een conflict voor de koffie er door heen geschoten.

Goed, ik ga er vanuit dat ze niet helemaal achterlijk zijn en meer zullen bestellen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 12/11/2020 | 10:23 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 12/11/2020 | 08:50 uur
Dat is volgens mij de hele discussie. Die is er dus niet .

Jawel, dat zijn voorraden naar bki 1 2 en 3. Die worden nu opgebouwd en aantallen zijn natuurlijk niet openbaar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/11/2020 | 10:29 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 12/11/2020 | 10:23 uur
Jawel, dat zijn voorraden naar bki 1 2 en 3. Die worden nu opgebouwd en aantallen zijn natuurlijk niet openbaar.

Komt het er dan op neer dat je maar één keer toestemming van de VS nodig hebt en vervolgbestellingen kunt blijven plaatsen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 12/11/2020 | 12:00 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 12/11/2020 | 10:29 uur
Komt het er dan op neer dat je maar één keer toestemming van de VS nodig hebt en vervolgbestellingen kunt blijven plaatsen?

Er worden sowieso veel meer deals met de amerikanen gemaakt betreft munitie dan ik hier voorbij zie komen ;) ..of op internet. Voorraden e.d zijn heel erg niet bedoelt om op straat te komen.

Dergelijke deals als jij noemt zijn en komen er wel met rheinmetall. Met de Amerikanen dat ik weet niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/11/2020 | 10:17 uur
Let's Talk About The One-of-a-kind F-35I Adir Test Aircraft The Israeli Air Force Has Just Received

https://theaviationist.com/2020/11/13/lets-talk-about-the-one-of-a-kind-f-35i-adir-test-aircraft-the-israeli-air-force-has-just-received/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 17/11/2020 | 13:15 uur
Lockheed Martin to support 50 retrofit aircraft to Taiwan F-16 Peace Phoenix Rising program

On November 16, the U.S. Department of Defense announced that Lockheed Martin has been awarded a $53,190,386 hybrid cost-plus-fixed-fee and firm-fixed-price modification to contract FA8615-12-C-6016 for miscellaneous support for 50 retrofit aircraft to the Taiwan F-16 Peace Phoenix Rising program.

This modification provides for contractor over and above support and acquisition of legacy aircraft hardware and equipment. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas; and Taiwan, and is expected to be completed Dec. 31, 2023. Foreign Military Sales funds in the full amount are being obligated at the time of award. The Air Force Life Cycle Management Center, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, is the contracting activity.

The program, codenamed Phoenix Rising Project, was launched in 2016 with the purpose of upgrading 144 ROCAF F-16A/B Fighting Falcon combat aircraft to the F-16V configuration by 2023. Approximately 25 to 28 aircraft are expected to undergo modernization each year until 2023.

Under the Phoenix Rising program, Taiwan is upgrading its fleet of 144 Lockheed Martin F-16 A/B Block 20 Fighting Falcon combat aircraft to the F-16V configuration. As part of the upgrade, the jets will be installed with Northrop Grumman AN/APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar (SABR) Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, new mission computers, and more advanced avionics and electronic warfare suite. The upgraded jet will also have the capability to be armed with new precision-guided weapons. The total cost of the program is estimated to be around $5.3 billion. The upgrades are being conducted by the Taiwanese state-owned aviation company, Aerospace Industrial Development Corp. (AIDC). The first upgraded jet was delivered to ROC Air Force in 2018 and the project is expected to be completed by 2023.

https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2020/november/6685-lockheed-martin-to-support-50-retrofit-aircraft-to-taiwan-f-16-peace-phoenix-rising-program.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 17/11/2020 | 14:14 uur
Het overgaan tot bewapenen van Taiwan is het enige echte nuttige internationale wat Trump in 4 jaar tijd heeft gedaan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 17/11/2020 | 15:47 uur
Greece Makes Formal Request for 18 to 24 F-35 Fighters for Delivery from 2021

https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/11/16/greece-request-f-35-fighter-jet/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/11/2020 | 16:17 uur
Citaat van: Greek City Times op 17/11/2020 | 15:47 uur
Greece Makes Formal Request for 18 to 24 F-35 Fighters for Delivery from 2021

https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/11/16/greece-request-f-35-fighter-jet/

Knap om al in 2021 de F-35A geleverd te krijgen en getrainde vliegers en grondpersoneel, terwijl andere klanten langer moeten wachten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 17/11/2020 | 16:19 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 17/11/2020 | 16:17 uur
Knap om al in 2021 de F-35A geleverd te krijgen en getrainde vliegers en grondpersoneel, terwijl andere klanten langer moeten wachten.

Is het niet zo dat de Amerikanen een deel van de origineel Turkse F-35's aangeboden hebben aan de Grieken? Dit kan verklaren dat ze zo snel aan toestellen kunnen komen en de piloten kunnen natuurlijk al in de VS gaan trainen met theorie en simulatoren. En ik verwacht ook dat de eerste paar toestellen gewoon in het begin in de VS blijven voor training/opleiding.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/11/2020 | 16:49 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 17/11/2020 | 16:19 uur
Is het niet zo dat de Amerikanen een deel van de origineel Turkse F-35's aangeboden hebben aan de Grieken? Dit kan verklaren dat ze zo snel aan toestellen kunnen komen en de piloten kunnen natuurlijk al in de VS gaan trainen met theorie en simulatoren. En ik verwacht ook dat de eerste paar toestellen gewoon in het begin in de VS blijven voor training/opleiding.

Van de oorspronkelijke Turkse order zijn er uiteindelijk 14 stuks gebouwd. Een klein aantal hiervan werd voor de (internationale) vliegopleiding gebruikt. Vermoed dat het andere deel om op 18-24 uit te komen nieuw zullen moeten worden gebouwd. De USAF heeft de eigen F-35A's al hard nodig. i.v.m. de transitie van diverse eenheden de komende tijd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 17/11/2020 | 19:23 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 17/11/2020 | 14:14 uur
Het overgaan tot bewapenen van Taiwan is het enige echte nuttige internationale wat Trump in 4 jaar tijd heeft gedaan.
En de 2% druk binnen de NAVO.....
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 17/11/2020 | 21:43 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 17/11/2020 | 19:23 uur
En de 2% druk binnen de NAVO.....
Dat ook. Er is wel meer, dat is het jammerlijke ook. Hoj had op bepaalde vraagstukken toch wel vernieuwende antwoorden die bleken te werken of in ieder geval weer contact tot stand brachten. Maar dat werd totaal tenietgedaan door z'n idiote egoistische en soms bijna dystopische wijze van handelen. Mattis maakte geen grapje toen hij zei dat Trump het denk en handel niveau had van een 5th of 6th grader.

Israel heeft ook veel gewonnen, Turkije heeft speelkwartier gekregen en Rusland draaide 4 jaar lang rondjes om de VS. En wat China allemaal wel niet heeft kunnen uitspoken weten we nog niet eens. Wel weten we dat met 1 druk op de knop geen vliegtuig meer vliegt of schip meer vaart in de Zuid Chinese zee..wanneer ze dit willen. Die eilanden keten is een groot probleem.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/11/2020 | 09:39 uur
F135 testing resumes in J2

By Jill Pickett, AEDC/PA / Published November 16, 2020

ARNOLD AIR FORCE BASE, Tenn. --
Testing of the Pratt & Whitney F135 engine has resumed in the Arnold Engineering Development Complex J2 Engine Test Cell at Arnold Air Force Base.

The test team is seeking to validate the structural integrity and aerodynamic characteristics of a new fan rotor design for the F135, the powerhouse of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) Lightning II.

In J2, altitudes up to 75,000 feet can be simulated, along with temperatures from -60 to 450 degrees Fahrenheit. Flight speeds of up to Mach 2.6 can also be simulated.

Testing of the engine began in J2 in 2019, but was stopped because of a planned outage to accommodate maintenance. Once that outage concluded, testing resumed with an expectation to continue into early 2021.

"Test results to date have been positive and encouraging, and early results allowed us to complete an AMT (Accelerated Mission Test) with the same newly-designed rotor," said 2nd Lt. Gregory Landrum, AEDC Jet Engine Test project manager.

"The test team that has been conducting this test has been highly involved and has worked closely with personnel from Pratt & Whitney and the JSF Joint Program Office to frame the desired objectives and collect data toward those objectives."

The F135 program has conducted more than 5,500 hours of testing in test cells across AEDC.

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Testing of an F135 engine with a new rotor design is continuing in the J2 test cell of the Engine Test Facility at Arnold Air Force Base, Tenn. The engine is shown in the test cell in this image taken Sept. 2, 2020. (U.S. Air Force photo by Jill Pickett)

https://www.arnold.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2415781/f135-testing-resumes-in-j2/

https://www.aerospacetestinginternational.com/uncategorized/f-35-engine-back-on-test-with-new-fan-rotor.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/11/2020 | 10:06 uur
Norway Plugs into Global F135 Engine MRO Network

November 17, 2020

Norway-based Kongsberg Aviation Maintenance Services (KAMS) has officially opened its F135 engine maintenance depot in Rygge, after signing a contract with Pratt & Whitney.

The depot is now in the activation and training stage, in advance of initial depot operating capability which is planned for late 2021.

Rygge will function as one of five F135 MRO and upgrade (MRO&U) facilities worldwide that will sustain the global engine fleet powering the F-35 Lightning II fighter aircraft. Nancy Bordick, executive director for global sustainment services at Pratt & Whitney, described the contract on 9 November as 'an important milestone for establishing F135 MRO&U capabilities in the European region'.

The depot has the capacity to support multiple repairs, overhauls and logistic services including handling spare parts, KAMS noted, adding it has plans to expand the facility 'to accommodate future work and other business opportunities'.

The company (majority-owned by Kongsberg with Patria holding a 49.9% stake) will employ and educate mechanics, technicians and logistics personnel that will incrementally take on more complex repairs and an increased work scope of the F135 engine.

https://www.f35.com/news/detail/18438
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/11/2020 | 09:53 uur
Greece Wants F-35s So Quickly It's Willing to Accept Used Aircraft

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If Greece is permitted to order brand-new F-35s, it would have to get in line: Lockheed Martin's production capacity is spoken for through at least 2024, an industry official reported.

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https://www.airforcemag.com/greece-wants-f-35s-so-quickly-its-willing-to-accept-used-aircraft/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 20/11/2020 | 10:36 uur
ofwel, geef ons die Turkse dingen nou maar.  :P
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/11/2020 | 10:38 uur
F-35 Proposal Submitted to Swiss Government

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The offer uses the F-35 Global Support Solution for sustainment to ensure Switzerland benefits from the European F-35 economies of scale to realize lower sustainment costs for the Swiss Air Force. It also includes a six-month spares package to ensure the Swiss Air Force has the ability to conduct autonomous operations, if needed. Lockheed Martin is also offering an option for the assembly of four aircraft in Switzerland to ensure the Swiss Air Force and Swiss industry gain an understanding of how to maintain the F-35 airframe and its advanced capabilities for the life of the program.

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https://www.f35.com/news/detail/18440

(klik op afbeelding voor vergroting)
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https://twitter.com/TheDEWLine/status/1329420226727989249
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 20/11/2020 | 10:40 uur
'for 4 F-35's' .... 4?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/11/2020 | 10:42 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 20/11/2020 | 10:40 uur
'for 4 F-35's' .... 4?

4 van de 40 en het is inderdaad een vreemde optie van Lockheed Martin. Cameri is hemelsbreed niet ver van Zwitserland.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 20/11/2020 | 10:50 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 20/11/2020 | 10:42 uur
4 van de 40 en het is inderdaad een vreemde optie van Lockheed Martin. Cameri is hemelsbreed niet ver van Zwitserland.

Dat kost je als Zwitserland toch alleen maar veel geld, maargoed misschien dienen ze dit te doen doordat de fabrieken onderhoud gaan verrichten en zo ingespeeld moeten raken op F-35 componenten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/11/2020 | 15:44 uur
Aircraft Readiness Is Bad & Getting Worse: GAO

(https://sites.breakingmedia.com/uploads/sites/3/2020/11/GAO-readiness-red-orange-green-710799-1024x893.png)
https://sites.breakingmedia.com/uploads/sites/3/2020/11/GAO-readiness-red-orange-green-710799-1024x893.png

(https://sites.breakingmedia.com/uploads/sites/3/2020/11/Screen-Shot-2020-11-20-at-10.20.30-AM.png)
https://sites.breakingmedia.com/uploads/sites/3/2020/11/Screen-Shot-2020-11-20-at-10.20.30-AM.png

https://breakingdefense.com/2020/11/aircraft-readiness-is-bad-getting-worse-gao/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: vlincent op 23/11/2020 | 22:02 uur
FCMS, Indra and Thales start designing sensors that will contribute to NGWS-FCAS superiority

Bron: https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2020/november/6701-fcms-indra-and-thales-start-designing-sensors-that-will-contribute-to-ngws-fcas-superiority.html

Ben beniewd wie welke systemen gaat maken.

FMCS is een groep van bedrijven. Namelijk:
- Hensoldt
- Diehl
- ESG Defence - public security
- Rohde & Schwarz
Bron: https://fcms-germany.net/

Indra is een spaans bedrijf.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 23/11/2020 | 22:08 uur
Japanse luchtmacht zegt Phantoms vaarwel

Japan heeft op 20 november officieel afscheid genomen van de F-4 Phantom als luchtverdedigingsjager. Dit werd door de Japanse luchtmacht bekend gemaakt via sociale media.

De laatste eenheid die nog met de Phantom vloog was 301 Hikotai. Dit squadron was niet alleen de laatste eenheid dat nog met de Phantom vloog, het was 48 jaar geleden ook het allereerste squadron met dit type. Met een ceremonie op de vliegbasis Hyakuri werd afgelopen vrijdag het squadron ontbonden. Begin volgend jaar zal 301 Hikotai worden heropgericht, waarschijnlijk op de basis Misawa in het noorden van Japan. Daar zal het worden uitgerust met de F-35.

Opgeheven
Tot maart 2019 was de vliegbasis Hyakuri bij Tokyo de thuisbasis van de drie laatste Phantom-squadrons. Op dat moment verhuisde 302 Hikotai naar Misawa, om als eerste squadron over te gaan op de F-35. Vervolgens werd in maart van dit jaar 501 Hikotai opgeheven. Dit betekende voor Japan het afscheid van de 'foto-Phantom'. Het squadron met Woody Woodpecker op de staart vloog met de verkenningsversie van de Phantom.


Afscheidstour
De Japanse luchtmacht heeft een traditie om bij elk jubileum en elk afscheid één of meer toestellen een bijzonder kleurenschema te geven. Omdat niet alleen 301 Hikotai afscheid neemt van de Phantom maar ook de gehele Japanse luchtmacht, kregen nu twee toestellen een opvallende beschildering. De afgelopen weken maakten deze twee toestellen al een afscheidstour langs alle vliegbases waar ooit Phantoms gestationeerd zijn geweest. Tijdens de ceremonie afgelopen vrijdag, vlogen de twee speciaal beschilderde toestellen samen met de allerlaatst gebouwde F-4 een afscheidsvlucht. Hoewel 301 Hikotai nu officieel is opgeheven, zal de allerlaatste vlucht waarschijnlijk pas volgende maand zijn.

Gemoderniseerd
In 1968 kocht Japan 140 F-4EJ Phantoms als luchtverdedigingsjager, waarvan vrijwel alle toestellen door Mitsubishi in licentie werden gebouwd. Veertien RF-4E fotoverkenners voor 501 Hikotai werden door McDonnell Douglas in Amerika gefabriceerd. In de jaren '80 werden 96 F-4EJ's gemoderniseerd tot F-4EJ改 (Kai, 'gewijzigd'). Deze Phantoms kregen onder meer een nieuwe radar en 'radar warning receivers' in de staart. De enig overgebleven eenheid van de Japanse luchtmacht die nog met de Phantom vliegt is de testeenheid op de vliegbasis Gifu. Deze Phantoms, waaronder enkele niet-gemoderniseerde F-4EJ's, zullen nog enige tijd blijven doorvliegen.

Overgebleven
Er zijn nog vier landen met F-4E Phantoms bij operationele squadrons: Griekenland, Turkije en Zuid-Korea (elk met één squadron) en Iran. In 2017 nam Griekenland al afscheid van de RF-4, als één van de laatste gebruikers. Alleen de Iraanse luchtmacht heeft nog RF-4E's in gebruik, maar het exacte aantal en de operationele inzetbaarheid is onbekend.

https://www.upinthesky.nl/2020/11/22/japanse-luchtmacht-zegt-phantoms-vaarwel/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/11/2020 | 22:58 uur
Citaat van: Up In The Sky op 23/11/2020 | 22:08 uur
Japanse luchtmacht zegt Phantoms vaarwel

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https://www.upinthesky.nl/2020/11/22/japanse-luchtmacht-zegt-phantoms-vaarwel/

Wat video's hierover.





Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/11/2020 | 23:02 uur
Flight tests to show B61-12 will work on Air Force's newest fighter jet

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During the Aug. 25 flight test, an F-35A flying faster than the speed of sound dropped a B61-12 — containing non-nuclear and mock nuclear components — from about 10,500 feet above Tonopah Test Range. The inert B61-12 struck the desert floor in the designated target area about 42 seconds later.

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https://share-ng.sandia.gov/news/resources/news_releases/b61-12_flight/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/11/2020 | 10:10 uur
Contracts For Nov. 23, 2020

AIR FORCE

Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, has been awarded a $9,326,062 cost-plus-fixed-fee contract for the Long Range Systems Division seeking to integrate the Navy Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile-Extended Range (AARGM-ER) into the F-35.  The AARGM-ER is a Navy weapon that will provide the F-35A advanced suppression of enemy air defenses/destruction of enemy air defenses capability.  This contract includes one contract line item number and is the result of a sole-source acquisition.  Fiscal 2020 research, development, test and evaluation funds in the full amount are being obligated at the time of award.  The Air Force Life Cycle Management Center, Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, is the contracting activity (FA8682-21-C-2000).

https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contracts/Contract/Article/2425497/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/11/2020 | 10:55 uur
Italian Air Force F-35A and F-35B Fly In "Beast Mode" For The Very First Time

https://theaviationist.com/2020/11/26/italian-air-force-f-35a-and-f-35b-fly-in-beast-mode-for-the-very-first-time/

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F-35A and B in Beast Mode. (All images: Troupe Azzurra/ItAF)

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The F-35's certified weapons loadout up to Block 3F software. (Image credit: LM).
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/12/2020 | 22:48 uur
UK progresses F-35B deliveries

01 DECEMBER 2020

by Gareth Jennings

The United Kingdom has received an additional batch of Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning fighters, with the arrival of three new aircraft into their Royal Air Force (RAF) Marham main operation base on 30 November.

The arrival of aircraft ZM153, ZM154, and ZM155 brings to 21 the number of F-35Bs that the UK has received out of an order so far of 48. Of these, 18 are being flown operationally by 617 Squadron and for training by 207 Sqn Operational Conversion Unit (OCU) at RAF Marham, with three for test and evaluation purposes by 17 Squadron at Edwards Air Force Base in California.

The RAF's 617 Sqn is set to be joined by the Royal Navy's (RN's) 809 'Immortals' Naval Air Squadron (NAS) in 2023. Despite their separate RAF and RN identities, both 617 Sqn and 809 NAS will be operated as a combined Lightning Force, with a mix of service personnel and pilots (indeed, the newly installed chief of 617 Sqn, Commander Mark Sparrow, is an RN officer).

While the UK plans to field the F-35B in both a land- and maritime-based role, the priority at the moment is in reconstituting the RN's carrier strike capability that was mothballed with the retirement of the BAE Systems Harrier GR9 and the decommissioning of HMS Ark Royal in 2010.

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One of three new F-35B aircraft en route from the US to the UK in late November 2020. (Crown Copyright)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/uk-progresses-f-35b-deliveries
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/12/2020 | 23:02 uur
@3rdmaw (3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, 02-12-2020)

CitaatVMFA-314 declares their initial operational capability (IOC) for the F-35C Lightning II.

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https://twitter.com/3rdmaw/status/1334195572039774208

https://www.3rdmaw.marines.mil/News/Article/2432217/3rd-maw-advances-air-superiority-with-f-35c/
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/12/2020 | 23:08 uur
F-35 is in practice for the first time in Denmark (vertaald vanuit het Deens m.b.v. de Microsoft Edge vertaalfunctie)

Flight history was written in Denmark when two F-35 fighter jets participated for the first time in an exercise in Danish airspace. This was done in connection with the large special operation's flight exercise "Trojan Phoenix 2020", which was held based at Air Base Aalborg in October and November.

December 3, 2020 - 9:00AM

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Dutch F-35s fly alongside a Danish F-16 over Denmark. The fighter jets took part in a large special operations flight exercise that took off in October and November. Photo: Air Force Photo Service.

By The Flying Command

Denmark's first F-35 fighter jet will land on Danish soil in 2023, but the Danish defense is already training closely with foreign allies to gain experience with the state-of-the-art fighter jet. The two Dutch F-35 fighter jets flew into Danish airspace, where they stayed for about an hour - and subsequently flew back to their base in the Netherlands without landing in Denmark.

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"When the Netherlands announced that they were participating with two F-35 fighter jets, we saw it as an obvious opportunity for us in the Air Force to test procedures and improve on the fact that we will soon be users of the same impressive system ourselves," said Lt. Col. Jens Blomqvist, who was in charge of conducting the exercise.

Training is worth gold

Due to its state-of-the-art and well-developed sensor system, the F-35 is the world's most advanced fighter aircraft, enabling it to scan and see huge areas. It sets new requirements for the surrounding frigates, tanks and, not least, ground troops to cooperate with the fighter aircraft if the full potential of the new weapons system is to be exploited:

"In the future, the exchange of data will take place in a completely new way. It will go faster, be more precise, and thus also safer, because the contact between the soldier on the ground and the aircraft in the air will be purely digital and not sometimes analogous, as is the case today. At the same time, the time that the soldier on the ground spends broadcasting on his radio could be significantly minimized, which in itself increases the safety and protection of the soldier," explains Jens Blomqvist.

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The Danish JTAC soldier from the Operations Support Wing is in contact with the Dutch pilot of the F-35 fighter jet and exchanges information about the terrain and potential targets. Photo: Defence

With the participation of the two Dutch F-35 fighter jets, the Air Force was given the opportunity to test how data and information should be exchanged in the future between a ground soldier and an F-35 fighter aircraft in the air. The ground soldier, via his advanced IT communication system, can be in direct encrypted contact with the pilot of the aircraft and give the pilot close first-hand reports that can be used to form the overall picture of the battlefield.

The overall implementation of trojan phoenix 2020 was to certify the Air Force's contribution to NATO Response Force 2021 – a so-called "Special Operations Air Task Group", a special operations headquarters that will deploy aircraft and helicopters in special operations.

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Denmark will soon receive the F-35

Denmark's first new F-35 fighter jet will soon be ready-made and will be transferred to Danish ownership in 2021 at a ceremony in the United States. In the early years, Danish F-35 will be exclusively located in the United States for the training and training of pilots and personnel.

In 2023, the first Danish F-35 fighter jets will land in Denmark at Skrydstrup Air Base. Until then, Defence is trying to catch up on as much learning as possible by working with Denmark's allies and the partner nations that already operate the F-35 in their home country. In this way, the Danish Armed Forces is constantly preparing to be geared to the reception of the 27 new F-35 fighter jets, which in the future will be Denmark's modern generation of fighter jets.

https://forsvaret.dk/da/nyheder/2020/f35tranermedf16/
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/12/2020 | 11:03 uur
Indonesia eager to clinch French Rafale fighter jets deal soon: La Tribune

By Reuters Staff 1 MIN READ

PARIS (Reuters) - Negotiations between France and Indonesia for the purchase of 48 French Rafale fighter jets are advancing at a fast pace and a deal could be inked soon, French website La Tribune.fr said on Thursday, citing several sources.

Indonesia would like to seal a deal before the end of the year but French negotiators want to take the time necessary to fine-tune the details, it said.

Reporting by Dominique Vidalon; Editing by Alison Williams

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-indonesia-rafale/indonesia-eager-to-clinch-french-rafale-fighter-jets-deal-soon-la-tribune-idUSKBN28D2EV
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Bericht door: Harald op 07/12/2020 | 09:20 uur
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BAE Tempest CGI released by the RAF
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/12/2020 | 22:41 uur
Naval Aviation News Summer 2020 (nieuwste uitgave en veel fighter nieuws)

https://navalaviationnews.navylive.dodlive.mil/files/2020/08/NAN-Summer2020.pdf
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/12/2020 | 22:55 uur
Airbus to offer Tranche 5 Eurofighters to replace German Tornados

09 DECEMBER 2020

by Gareth Jennings

Airbus is to offer a Tranche 5 standard of the Eurofighter combat aircraft to replace Germany's fleet of Panavia Tornados, a company official said on 9 December.

Speaking at a virtual running of the company's annual Trade Media Briefing (TMB), the head of combat aircraft business development, Wolfgang Gammel, said that this future standard will be offered to the Luftwaffe as the service looks to replace 90 Tornado Interdiction and Strike (IDS) and Electronic Combat Reconnaissance (ECR) aircraft with 85 new aircraft from 2030.

As noted by Gammel, this Tranche 5 standard will take the E-Scan active electronically scanned-array (AESA) radar, as well as defensive aids and human-machine interface (HMI) enhancements included in the latest Tranche 4 under contract for Germany (Project Quadriga) and Spain (Project Halcon), and add some or all of the upgrades being developed for the Long Term Evolution (LTE) package.

First unveiled at the Paris Airshow in June 2019, the LTE plan aims to take the aircraft's capabilities out to beyond the performance enhancement packages that are being rolled out across the partner countries of Germany, Italy, Spain, and the United Kingdom. An initial 19-month study contract for the aircraft and nine months for the Eurojet EJ200 powerplant were launched at that event.

The technology areas being explored for the LTE include mission system architecture, defensive aids, the HMI, operational flexibility, and engine performance.

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Speaking at the company's annual TMB, Airbus noted that it is to offer a Tranche 5 standard of the Eurofighter for Germany's Tornado replacement programme. This standard will comprise the latest Tranche 4 (pictured) with additional LTE improvements. (Airbus)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/airbus-to-offer-tranche-5-eurofighters-to-replace-german-tornados
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Bericht door: Ace1 op 09/12/2020 | 23:06 uur
Is er al een jachtbommenwerper versie van de  Eurofighter?
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Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/12/2020 | 07:17 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 09/12/2020 | 23:06 uur
Is er al een jachtbommenwerper versie van de  Eurofighter?

Vanaf tranche 3 toch?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/12/2020 | 09:41 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 09/12/2020 | 23:06 uur
Is er al een jachtbommenwerper versie van de  Eurofighter?

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/12/2020 | 07:17 uur
Vanaf tranche 3 toch?

Dit is er al sinds tranche 1 block 5. Bij de RAF verving de Typhoon o.a. de Jaguar en moest er dus wel een air-to-ground capaciteit aanwezig zijn. Net als bij andere types worden met elke opvolgende update en upgrade de air-to-air en air-to-ground capaciteiten geavanceerder.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 10/12/2020 | 10:09 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 10/12/2020 | 09:41 uur
Dit is er al sinds tranche 1 block 5. Bij de RAF verving de Typhoon o.a. de Jaguar en moest er dus wel een air-to-ground capaciteit aanwezig zijn. Net als bij andere types worden met elke opvolgende update en upgrade de air-to-air en air-to-ground capaciteiten geavanceerder.

Er wordt toch echt geclaimd dat de eurofighter pas even een bom op een doel kan gooien. Onder alle bekende en voorziene omstandigheden. Als in..enkele jaren geleden pas.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/12/2020 | 10:35 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 10/12/2020 | 10:09 uur
Er wordt toch echt geclaimd dat de eurofighter pas even een bom op een doel kan gooien. Onder alle bekende en voorziene omstandigheden. Als in..enkele jaren geleden pas.

Leuk dat ze het claimen, maar de Typhoon is net als de Rafale al van het begin een multirole jachtbommenwerper. De air-to-ground capaciteit moest alleen beter worden. De air-to-ground capaciteit van de eerste operationele Rafale versie (Rafale M F1) was ook erg basic. Pas bij de F2 update werd dat een stuk beter.

De Luftwaffe eenheid Taktisches Luftwaffengeschwader 31 (Tactical Air Force Wing 31) op Nörvenich Air Base vliegt al sinds 2010 met de Typhoon met als hoofdtaak air-to-ground (close air support, interdictie, offensive counter air).

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 10/12/2020 | 10:58 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 10/12/2020 | 10:35 uur
Leuk dat ze het claimen, maar de Typhoon is net als de Rafale al van het begin een multirole jachtbommenwerper. De air-to-ground capaciteit moest alleen beter worden. De air-to-ground capaciteit van de eerste operationele Rafale versie (Rafale M F1) was ook erg basic. Pas bij de F2 update werd dat een stuk beter.

De Luftwaffe eenheid Taktisches Luftwaffengeschwader 31 (Tactical Air Force Wing 31) op Nörvenich Air Base vliegt al sinds 2010 met als hoofdtaak air-to-ground (close air support, interdictie, offensive counter air).

Ik kan me ook nog een bericht herinneren, niet lang geleden, dat het apparaat eindelijk ground strike capable was?
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Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/12/2020 | 11:03 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 10/12/2020 | 10:35 uur
Leuk dat ze het claimen, maar de Typhoon is net als de Rafale al van het begin een multirole jachtbommenwerper.

Helaas, als ik mij niet vergis, dan is de Typhoon ontwikkeld als luchtoverwichtjager met een focus op de SU-27.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/12/2020 | 11:14 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 10/12/2020 | 10:58 uur
Ik kan me ook nog een bericht herinneren, niet lang geleden, dat het apparaat eindelijk ground strike capable was?

Er is sowieso een verschil tussen de Britse en de Duitse ontwikkelingen op het gebied van air-to-ground capaciteiten. Hadden alle vier partnerlanden vanaf het begin alles geïnvesteerd, dan was de Typhoon veel eerder op alle vlakken een heel stuk capabeler geweest.

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/12/2020 | 11:03 uur
Helaas, als ik mij niet vergis, dan is de Typhoon ontwikkeld als luchtoverwichtjager met een focus op de SU-27.

Dat was één van de eerste startpunten, maar de Typhoon werd ook al snel aangewezen als opvolger van de eerder genoemde Jaguar. Het is makkelijker om een air-to-air type om te bouwen naar air-to-air & air-to-ground dan omgekeerd.
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/12/2020 | 11:24 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 10/12/2020 | 11:19 uur
Ja.....
Echt weer hard achter de feiten aangelopen. Zal ongetwijfeld ook de nodige export kansen hebben gefrustreerd. Voornamelijk op sensor gebied.

Een ander gevolg is de veelvoud aan verschillende uitvoeringen bij de gebruikers.
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Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 10/12/2020 | 11:38 uur
Op verschillende Wiki-pagina's (in verschillende talen, Engels en -vooral- Duits zijn goed uitgebreid) voor dit toestel is info te vinden:
Bewapening
Versies (tranches/per land)
Gefaalde offertes met uitleg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon


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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/12/2020 | 10:06 uur
Marines Demonstrate Ability to Include Carrier-Based F-35Cs in Expeditionary Base Plans

https://news.usni.org/2020/12/10/marines-demonstrate-ability-to-include-carrier-based-f-35cs-in-expeditionary-base-plans



Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 11/12/2020 | 12:02 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/12/2020 | 10:06 uur
Marines Demonstrate Ability to Include Carrier-Based F-35Cs in Expeditionary Base Plans

https://news.usni.org/2020/12/10/marines-demonstrate-ability-to-include-carrier-based-f-35cs-in-expeditionary-base-plans





Typisch F35 geluid tijdens de aanvlieg fase.
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/12/2020 | 22:51 uur
Lockheed Martin to join Japan's new fighter jet program: Nikkei

DECEMBER 11, 2020 11:54 AM UPDATED 11 HOURS AGO

By Reuters Staff 1 MIN READ

(Reuters) - Lockheed Martin Corp, the maker of the F-35 stealth jet, will join a project led by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) to build a new fighter plane that Japan's air force is expected to field by the mid 2030s, The Nikkei newspaper reported.

Lockheed's participation as a junior partner in development, had been expected after it earlier proposed a hybrid design based on its F-35 and F-22 jets. Japan's Ministry of Defence awarded MHI the primary role in October.

The new fighter, which is known as the F-3 or F-X and is expected to cost around $40 billion, will replace Japan's F-2, which was jointly developed by MHI and Lockheed more than two decades ago.

Japan has said it will announce the names of foreign companies invited to join the project before the end of the year.

Firms that have expressed interest in participating include F-18 Super Hornet builder Boeing Co and Northrop Grumman Corp from the United States, as well as Britain's BAE Systems Plc and Rolls Royce Holdings Plc.

Editing by Gerry Doyle and Mark Potter

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL4N2IR2IY
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Bericht door: Harald op 14/12/2020 | 09:04 uur
US Offers to Sell F-15s and F-18s As Indonesia Plans Fleet of 170 Fighters

The U.S. has indicated it will sell F-15 and F-18 fighter jets to Indonesia following months of meetings between top defense officials from the two countries, according to a defense official in Jakarta.

U.S. Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller was in Jakarta on Monday and Tuesday to meet with Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto. During those meetings, Miller agreed to sell the two models of fighter jets to Indonesia, which has long wanted to upgrade from its aging F-16 fleet.

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Indonesia has been pushing the U.S. to sell it F-15, F-18 and F-35 fighter jets, but finally agreed on only two models as the third could take up to 10 years to deliver, [Rodon Pedrason, director-general of defense strategy at Indonesia's Defense Ministry], said.

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Pedrason said the defense ministry under Subianto has a grand plan of procuring more than 100 superior fighter jets, to add to Indonesia's current fleet of less than 60. "We'll have around 170 fighter jets at the end of it. Extraordinary," Pedrason said.

He did not say when the ministry hopes to achieve that target, but added Indonesia hopes to make available between $9 billion and $11 billion for new weaponry and military equipment over the next 20 years. He said Indonesia was also planning to take soft-loan offers from countries like France, Turkey, China and Russia.

As the deal for the new fighter jets could take years to come to fruition, Indonesia is planning to buy used aircraft such as the Eurofighter Typhoon, which can be delivered much sooner. Previous reports said Subianto was interested in purchasing 15 such aircraft from Austria.

But Pedrason said the plan was only a stopgap. "It is most urgent for us now to have weaponry that can balance [the power] against red dot countries near us," he added, citing not just the South China Sea but also Indonesia's older border disputes with neighboring Malaysia and Singapore.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/214808/us-offers-to-sell-f_15s-and-f_18s-as-indonesia-plans-fleet-of-170-fighters.html
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Bericht door: Harald op 16/12/2020 | 08:33 uur
Saab Offers Jobs Boost in Quebec, Canada

Saab is offering to create two new aerospace centres in Quebec that will create and protect thousands of aerospace and related jobs. Announced at Aéro Montréal's Innovation Forum 2020, the two new aerospace centres are part of Saab's proposal of Gripen for Canada's Future Fighter Capability Project.

Saab, in co-operation with the Swedish government, has offered 88 Gripen E fighter aircraft, with a comprehensive support and training package for the Future Fighter Capability Project. The proposal includes a comprehensive, Canada-wide industrial and technological benefits program of which these two centers have a key role. Known separately as the Gripen Centre and the Aerospace Research & Development Centre, they will be co-located in the Greater Montreal Region.

"These two centres, managed and staffed by Canadians, will provide prosperity and employment security, with several thousand new Canadian jobs across the Province of Quebec. This proposal will boost employment and generate valuable economic activity, as well as strengthening the aerospace sector," states Micael Johansson, President and Chief Executive Officer of Saab.

The Gripen Centre will be the fighter's industrial and technological centerpiece, primarily staffed by the Gripen for Canada Team. Work at the Centre will be conducted by Canadians to ensure Gripen meets NORAD and NATO requirements. The Gripen Centre will also act as a hub for supporting and sustaining Gripen, while allowing Canada to manage future upgrades in-country.

The Aerospace R&D Centre will act as a focal point over decades for developing a rich ecosystem for research and innovation, representing a key component of Saab's long-term vision in Canada. The Aerospace R&D Centre will develop, test and produce next generation aerospace systems and components to complement the existing Canadian aerospace industry, which may include unmanned aerial systems, artificial intelligence and environmentally friendly aviation technologies.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/214853/saab-sweetens-gripen-offer-to-canada-with-aerospace-jobs.html
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/12/2020 | 09:50 uur
@usairforce (15-12-2020)

CitaatThe final F-15SA advanced fighter aircraft were delivered, Dec. 10, to the Royal Saudi Air Force – a key milestone supporting the National Defense Strategy imperative to strengthen alliances and attract new partners.

https://go.usa.gov/xAamy

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https://twitter.com/usairforce/status/1338814572497670150
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/12/2020 | 22:40 uur
gatewayONE and attritableONE test moves joint force one step closer to "IoT.mil," demonstrates F-22, F-35 first secure bi-directional data sharing

Secretary of the Air Force Public Affairs / Published December 14, 2020

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A U.S. Air Force F-22 Raptor and F-35A Lightning II fly in formation with the XQ-58A Valkyrie low-cost unmanned aerial vehicle over the U.S. Army Yuma Proving Ground testing range, Ariz., during a series of tests Dec. 9, 2020. This integrated test follows a series of gatewayONE ground tests that began during the inaugural Department of the Air Force on-ramp last year in December. (U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. James Cason)

WASHINGTON (AFNS) -- On Dec. 9, the joint force took another step toward achieving a military Internet of Things when fifth-generation aircraft overcame long standing connectivity limitations to share actionable operational data in their native secure digital "languages" with and through multiple sources for the first time.

This test was the latest demonstration of the transformative warfighting impact of the open architecture underpinning the Advanced Battle Management System.

The joint effort included a Marine Corps F-35B variant and the Air Force F-22 Raptor and F-35A Lightning II variant flying with an attritableONE XQ-58A Valkyrie for the first time. The primary tests took place at Yuma Proving Ground, Arizona with preparatory tests at Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada.

Lt. Col. Kate Stowe, gatewayONE program manager at the Air Force Lifecycle Management Center, set out with 18 test objectives and successfully achieved nine.

"Testing is all about pushing the limits of what's possible, finding out where the toughest challenges are, and adapting creative solutions to overcoming difficult problem sets," Stowe said. "The real win of the day was seeing the gatewayONE establish a secure two-way translational data path across multiple platforms and multiple domains. That's the stuff ABMS is all about."

Fifth-generation fighters are typically limited to communicating with each other and to command and control centers via legacy tactical data connections, not in their native, but incompatible digital "languages" – Multifunctional Advanced Data Link for F-35 and Intra-Flight Data Link for the F-22. Not only can gatewayONE translate between those formats, in this test it moved data that is normally relegated to an operations center or tactical ground node, directly pushing it into the cockpit at the edge of the multi-domain battlespace for the first time.

Additionally, the test pushed the position data of each platform outside of the aircraft's close-proximity formation through gatewayONE, which enables battle managers on the ground or in the air to better orchestrate operations. The gatewayONE payload also passed tracks or cues from ground operators to both fighters and passed a cue from the F-35A to the F-22 for the first time. These bi-directional communications pathways occurred in the platforms' native digital "languages" and the data was displayed through the aircrafts' organic systems.

"The gatewayONE payload really showed what's possible and helped us take a big step towards achieving (Joint All-Domain Command and Control)," said Lt. Col. Eric Wright, a 59th Test and Evaluation Squadron F-35 pilot. "This critical capability provides additional connections between our advanced fighters and other forces and battle managers across all domains. The future is promising, and gatewayONE will allow the F-22 and F-35 to connect to and feed data sources they've never before accessed. Those future connections will bring additional battlefield awareness into the cockpit and enable integrated fires across U.S. forces."

Additional successful tests during the week included establishing a communications pathway between the KC-46 Pegasus tanker and a ground node using commercial internet routing standards over the Tactical Targeting Network Technology waveform and the F-35B sending full-motion video to a ground controller.

"If fifth-generation platforms are going to be quarterbacks of a joint-penetrating team, we have to be able to communicate with those quarterbacks in an operationally relevant manner and enable data sharing between them, to them, and from them. For years people said it couldn't be done. Today the team turned another page toward making the impossible possible," said Preston Dunlap, Air and Space Force's chief architect. "In just 12 months, the team has opened the door to a world where we can put the power of an operations center into the cockpit at the tactical edge."

The Dec. 9 flight test included the attritableONE platform, also known as the XQ-58 Valkyrie, a lower-cost, unmanned, aerial vehicle. The rocket-launched Valkyrie successfully conducted a semi-autonomous flight alongside the F-22 and F-35s for the first time. The gatewayONE payload was integrated into the Valkyrie for its maiden voyage with the fifth-generation fighters to conduct an initial test of gateway capabilities from an attritable platform; however, shortly after takeoff, the communications payloads lost connectivity and those test objectives were unable to be accomplished.

The acquisition team – comprised of Air Force Research Laboratory and Air Force Life Cycle Management Center personnel working in conjunction with Eglin Air Force Base, Florida's 46th Test Squadron – came together to make this test a success and empower the platforms involved with capability desired by the warfighter and operator.

This integrated test follows a series of gatewayONE ground tests that began during the inaugural Department of the Air Force architecture on-ramp last year in December.

ABMS is the Air Force and Space Force's priority program to develop the military's first Internet of Things and is the services' primary contribution to Joint All-Domain Command and Control, a Defense Department-led effort to securely connect all elements of the U.S. military–every sensor and shooter–across land, air, sea, space and cyberspace.

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2446122/gatewayone-and-attritableone-test-moves-joint-force-one-step-closer-to-iotmil-d/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/12/2020 | 09:35 uur
355th Fighter Squadron reactivates, Alaska's second F-35A squadron

By Airman 1st Class Jose Miguel T. Tamondong, 354th Fighter Wing Public Affairs / Published December 18, 2020

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The 355th Fighter Squadron flagship F-35A Lightning II aircraft is parked in a hangar during the squadron reactivation ceremony at Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska, Dec. 18, 2020. The 355th FS' primary mission is the suppression of enemy air defenses and offensive counter-air missions. (U.S. Air Force photo by Airman 1st Class Jose Miguel T. Tamondong)

EIELSON AIR FORCE BASE, Alaska --
After 13 years, the 355th Fighter Squadron is making a comeback and they're bringing fifth-generation airpower into the fight.

The return was officially marked with a reactivation ceremony here Dec. 18 with Lt. Col. Samuel Chipman as it's commander.

Also known as the 'Fighting Falcons,' the 355th FS joins the 356th FS making the 354th Fighter Wing home to two F-35A Lightning II squadrons.

"The 354th FW has been tasked with standing up two combat-coded F-35A squadrons for a total of 54 F-35As at Eielson AFB," said Chipman. "The 355th FS is the final addition to this tasking."

The reactivation of the 355th FS bolsters the wing's transition to a combat-coded mission doubling the U.S. Pacific Air Forces' F-35A combat capability.

"The squadron's primary mission is the suppression of enemy air defenses and offensive counter-air missions," he said. "Having two combat-coded F-35A squadrons at Eielson Air Force Base will provide PACAF and combatant commanders across the globe additional asset and deployment options, should the need arise to deter aggression by our adversaries."

Aside from increasing the wing's overall airpower, the reactivation of the 355th FS also holds local historical significance. The 'Fighting Falcons' last flew the A-10 Thunderbolt IIs out of Eielson back in 2007.

"I have had the opportunity to serve with many of its former members and some are close friends," he said. "They're extremely excited to hear that the Falcons will be back at Eielson."

Chipman added that the reactivation also reunites the original "Pioneer Mustang Group," comprised of the 353rd, 355th and 356th squadrons, which hasn't happened since all three squadrons were based at Myrtle Beach AFB, South Carolina, in the early 1990s.

Col. David Skalicky, the 354th Operations Group commander and the reactivation ceremony's presiding officer, professed his confidence in the squadron's new commander.

"He's a very seasoned combat fighter pilot. His immense experience in leading fighter pilots into battle, dealing with our enemies, and making sure all our forces go home safely," Skalicky said. "He has that background. He knows how to do it."

Chipman's first encounter with the 355th FS goes all the way back to 2005 when he stumbled upon the squadron's patch. Seeing the falcon's wings stretch outside the boundaries of the patch coupled with an aggressive killer stare definitely sparked his interest in the fighter squadron.

By the end of his pilot training, he had the goal of getting assigned to the 355th FS but it never came to fruition as the squadron was inactivated in August 2007, just two months after he had started learning to fly the A-10.

"The fact that I missed out on being a Falcon thirteen years ago makes the opportunity to bring the Falcons back to life at Eielson even sweeter," Chipman said.

https://www.eielson.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2452880/355th-fighter-squadron-reactivates-alaskas-second-f-35a-squadron/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/12/2020 | 09:48 uur
Greece's Rafale buy gets the green light

18 DECEMBER 2020

by Euthymius Petrou

The Greek government's Parliamentary Subcommittee for Defence Procurement agreed on 17 December to proceed with the acquisition of 18 Dassault Rafale multirole fighters for the Hellenic Air Force (HAF).

Although according to Greek law no vote was required for the decision, all political parties agreed that the aircraft were needed.

The total cost of the programme will be EUR1.92 billion (USD2.35 billion), according to Ministry of National Defence sources, while another EUR400 million will be used to purchase Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missiles and to upgrade missiles already in the HAF inventory (namely Mica air-to-air missiles, Scalp cruise missiles, and Exocet anti-ship missiles) for carriage by the Rafales. These missiles are currently used to arm the HAF's Dassault Mirage 2000 and Mirage 2000-5 aircraft.

Twelve of the 18 Rafales (10 single seaters and two twin seaters) will be former French Air Force aircraft, with delivery of the first six expected to start six months after the signing of the contract, estimated to occur in June 2021. Deliveries will continue at a rate of one per month. On the 20th month after the handover of the initial six aircraft, the delivery of brand-new Rafales will begin and continue at a rate of one per month. Finally, 26 months after the contract is signed, delivery of the last six second-hand fighters will occur. The first four HAF pilots will start training in France early in 2021.

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Twelve of the 18 Rafales to be procured by Greece will be former French Air Force aircraft. An initial six are expected to be operational by the end of 2021. (Dassault Aviation)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/greeces-rafale-buy-gets-the-green-light
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/12/2020 | 10:11 uur
SAR Mapping put to the test in Bomb Hit Assessment

By 1st Lt Savanah Bray, 53rd Wing / Published December 21, 2020

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An F-15E from the 422 Test and Evaluation Squadron prior to taking off for the bomb hit assessment test.

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Before and after of a bombed target.

NELLIS AIR FORCE BASE, Nev. --
The 422nd Test and Evaluation Squadron conducted at Synthetic Aperture Radar Map Bomb Hit Assessment on December 15, 2020. 

During this test, two F-15Es dropped live Joint Direct Attack Munitions, while other weapons systems including F-15Es, F-35s, F-16s, FA-18s, RQ-4, MQ-9, U-2 and joint partners used SAR Mapping technology to assess if the bombs hit and destroyed the intended targets. 

"The objective of the test is to determine our ability and timeline to conduct real time strike assessment using synthetic aperture radar maps," said Maj Derek Anderson, director of operations, 706th Fighter Squadron. "Synthetic aperture radar maps allow manned and unmanned platforms to image target areas from long ranges and through weather."

This test was ultimately designed to find a new way to effectively close the kill chain – confirming destruction of the target. SAR Mapping technology isn't new technology, but this test puts it to use in a way that can solve an issue for the warfighter in dynamic fights. 

"Operating in Europe or the Pacific we can expect weather and the need to remain beyond the operating range of current electro-optical and infrared sensors due to threats," said Anderson. "This test helped us develop platform and package level tactics, techniques and procedures that will inform operational and strategic level decisions."

Though the test was managed and executed by the 53rd Wing, many of the participating operators were from the U.S. Air Force Reserve's 926th Wing, showcasing a TFI effort. The test also integrated strategic intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) assets and US Navy fighter aircraft. 

https://www.acc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2453913/sar-mapping-put-to-the-test-in-bomb-hit-assessment/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/12/2020 | 22:55 uur
Japan moves ahead with JNAAM co-development

22 DECEMBER 2020

by Kosuke Takahashi

As part of its fiscal year (FY) 2021 budget, the cabinet of Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga on 21 December approved plans to move ahead with the co-development of a Joint New Air-to-Air Missile (JNAAM) with the United Kingdom.

Specifically, Japan's Ministry of Defense (MoD) has secured JPY1.0 billion (USD9.7 million) to fund development costs related to the trial production of a prototype of the JNAAM, an MoD official confirmed during a 21 December press briefing.

The joint programme transitioned to a prototype stage in FY 2018 and is expected to finish trial production of the prototype during FY 2022, according to MoD documents. Following this, the two countries will evaluate the performance of the missile and then decide whether to put the weapon into mass production.

The current joint Japan-UK research project, initiated by the two nations in 2014, is scheduled to conclude by the end of FY 2023, which is March 2024 in Japan.

Janes understands that the UK missile technologies included in the programme relate to MBDA's Meteor Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile (BVRAAM).

On the Japanese side, the MoD is looking to integrate advanced radio frequency (RF) seeker technologies developed by Mitsubishi Electric Corporation for the AAM4B missile, with the aim of enhancing the accuracy and performance of the BVRAAM and supporting the development of the JNAAM.

A Mitsubishi Electric Corporation spokesperson in Tokyo declined to comment to Janes on specifics of the programme, noting that, "it is normal for the company not to refer to any national defence projects".

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The cabinet of Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga on 21 December approved funding for the co-development of a Joint New Air-to-Air Missile (JNAAM) with the UK. (Japanese Ministry of Defense)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/japan-moves-ahead-with-jnaam-co-development
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/12/2020 | 23:06 uur
Saab Receives Order for Definition of Future Options for Sweden's Gripen C/D Fighters

DEC 22, 2020

Saab has received an order from the Swedish Defence Material Administration (FMV) to define what is needed to meet Sweden's requirements for the continued, effective operation and availability of Gripen C/D until 2035. The order value is 185 MSEK.

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The work will be conducted during the period of December 2020 to December 2021.

"Gripen C/D is the backbone of the Swedish Air Force and will be for many years to come. The result of the work will be that the customer has the ability to take different directions depending on their future needs. Saab's expertise in developing advanced fighter technology gives Sweden the means to decide how Gripen C/D remains a formidable frontline fighter in the 2030s," says Jonas Hjelm, Senior Vice President and head of Saab business area Aeronautics.

Gripen is in service with a number of air forces including Sweden, the Czech Republic, Hungary, South Africa and Thailand. The UK Empire Test Pilots' School (ETPS) is operating Gripen as its platform for test pilot training. Sweden and Brazil have also respectively ordered 60 and 36 new Gripen fighter aircraft.

For further information, please contact:

Saab Press Centre,

+46 (0)734 180 018,

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Saab serves the global market with world-leading products, services and solutions within military defence and civil security. Saab has operations and employees on all continents around the world. Through innovative, collaborative and pragmatic thinking, Saab develops, adopts and improves new technology to meet customers' changing needs.

https://www.saab.com/newsroom/press-releases/2020/saab-receives-order-for-definition-of-future-options-for-swedens-gripen-cd-fighters
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/12/2020 | 09:53 uur
Australian F-35A Lightning II achieves Initial Operational Capability (zevende F-35 land IOC)

28 December 2020

Joint media release:
Australia's F-35A Lightning II fleet can now be deployed on operations, with Initial Operational Capability being officially achieved today.

Minister for Defence, Senator the Hon Linda Reynolds CSC said the F-35s are the most advanced, multi-role stealth fighter in the world.

"The fifth-generation F-35A, along with the F/A-18F Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler, is key to our air combat capability and critical to achieving the objectives set out in the 2020 Defence Strategic Update to Shape, Deter and Respond," Minister Reynolds said.

"For the last two years, Defence has rigorously tested the F-35A fleet to assess aircraft and system performance, and declare this important milestone.

"I would like to thank everyone that has worked so hard to get us to this point; to have accomplished all the required testing and materiel delivery is remarkable.

"The Australian Defence Force now has an F-35A squadron ready to conduct technologically advanced strike and air combat roles, and another squadron dedicated to providing world-class training here in Australia.

"While 2020 presented significant challenges to all of us, and travel restrictions made it difficult to ferry our aircraft to Australia, the huge efforts of Defence, industry and our partners in the United States made today's achievement possible."

Minister for Defence Industry Melissa Price said cooperation with industry had set Defence up for long-term success.

"Our defence industry has played a critical role in achieving today's milestone, which continues the success story of Australia's involvement in the F-35 global program," Minister Price said.

"Just last month we announced that more than 50 Australian companies have shared in $2.7 billion in contracts, demonstrating the Morrison Government's commitment to backing Australian industry and supporting Australian jobs.

"Australia will continue to work with the United States F-35 Joint Program Office and our industry partners as more aircraft are delivered through to 2023, and a mature capability is achieved."

More information about the F-35A Lightning II is available at: https://www.airforce.gov.au/technology/aircraft/strike/f-35a-lightning-ii and https://www.defence.gov.au/CASG/AboutCASG/OurStructure/Air/JointStrikeFighter.asp.

Images are available at:

https://images.defence.gov.au/assets/Home/Search?Query=f-35A&Type=Simple.

https://www.minister.defence.gov.au/minister/melissa-price/media-releases/australian-f-35a-lightning-ii-achieves-initial-operational?utm_source=miragenews&utm_medium=miragenews&utm_campaign=news

De F-35 Fast Facts van 02-12-2020:
https://www.f35.com/assets/uploads/documents/F-35_Fast_Facts_-_December_2020.pdf

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/12/2020 | 09:58 uur
Watch A Marine Corps F-35B Fire Its Gun Pod While Flying Off The Coast Of Somalia

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/38407/watch-a-marine-corps-f-35b-fire-its-gun-pod-while-flying-off-the-coast-of-somalia

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/12/2020 | 10:48 uur
Lockheed Martin Celebrates a Year of F-35 Successes

December 28, 2020

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Lockheed Martin delivered the 123rd F-35 aircraft of the year last week.

The 123rd aircraft is an F-35A conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL) variant, built at the Cameri, Italy, Final Assembly and Checkout (FACO) facility and delivered to the Italian Air Force. In 2020, 74 F-35s were delivered to the United States military, 31 to international partner nations and 18 to Foreign Military Sales customers.

In response to COVID-19 related supplier delays, in May the initial annual delivery goal was revised from 141 to 117-123 aircraft to strategically avoid surging, which would increase production-related costs and create future delays and disruption.

"The F-35 joint enterprise team rapidly responded to the challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic to continue to deliver the unmatched combat capability the F-35 brings to the Warfighter," said Bill Brotherton, acting vice president and general manager of the F-35 program. "Achieving this milestone amid a global pandemic is a testament to the hard work and dedication of the team and their commitment to our customers' missions."

COVID-19 Recovery

Lockheed Martin took proactive measures to mitigate COVID-19 supplier impacts and position the program for the fastest possible recovery by adjusting employee work schedules, maintaining specialized employee skillsets, and providing accelerated payments to small and vulnerable suppliers. Lockheed Martin provided accelerated payments to more than 400 F-35 suppliers in 45 states and Puerto Rico.

Though COVID-19 will have short-term impacts on production, the F-35 program continues to work diligently and is on track to meet the joint government and industry recovery commitments over the coming years.

Program Maturity and Progress

With more than 600 aircraft operating from 26 bases and ships around the globe, the F-35 plays a critical role in today's global security environment. More than 1,200 pilots and 10,000 maintainers are trained, and the F-35 fleet has surpassed more than 350,000 cumulative flight hours. Nine nations have F-35s operating from a base on their home soil, nine services have declared Initial Operational Capability and six services have employed F-35s in combat operations. The United States Air Force deployed the F-35 for 18 consecutive months from April 2019 until October 2020 in the CENTCOM Area of Responsibility with hundreds of weapons employments in support of U.S. servicemembers and their allies.

The year also included initial fielding of the Operational Data Integrated Network (ODIN), the follow-on to the Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS), with excellent initial results. The system will be fully operational in 2022. Mission capable rates for the aircraft continued to improve in 2020 with rates greater than 70% across the fleet, and even higher for deployed units. The F-35 also proved its value in Joint All-Domain Operations with multiple exercises that highlighted the aircraft's ability to gather, interpret and share information with various platforms.

https://www.f35.com/news/detail/18446
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 04/01/2021 | 17:30 uur
Eerste miljardendeal in 2021 al weer beklonken

In het pas begonnen beursjaar is de eerste overnameklap in de VS al weer geslagen in de sector van camera's en sensoren voor de luchtvaart.

Het Amerikaanse bedrijf Teledyne Technologies legt $7,4 miljard op tafel om sectorgenoot Flir Sytems in handen te krijgen. Het bod van $56 per aandeel, deels in contanten en aandelen, is 28% hoger dan het slot van eind vorig jaar.

Militaire luchtvaart
Flir Systems is vooral actief in de militaire luchtvaart. Zo levert het bedrijf miksystemen voor jachtvliegtuigen. Ook is het bedrijf gespecialiseerd in de productie van warmtebeeldcamera's.

De overnamedeal zal naar verwachting in september zijn afgerond. Teledyne was al langer op overnamepad. Eerder werd nog een bod op een Frans bedrijf in de ijskast gezet.

DFT, 04-01-2021, 15:23
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 05/01/2021 | 00:18 uur
Citaat van: Lex op 04/01/2021 | 17:30 uur
Eerste miljardendeal in 2021 al weer beklonken

In het pas begonnen beursjaar is de eerste overnameklap in de VS al weer geslagen in de sector van camera's en sensoren voor de luchtvaart.

Het Amerikaanse bedrijf Teledyne Technologies legt $7,4 miljard op tafel om sectorgenoot Flir Sytems in handen te krijgen. Het bod van $56 per aandeel, deels in contanten en aandelen, is 28% hoger dan het slot van eind vorig jaar.

Militaire luchtvaart
Flir Systems is vooral actief in de militaire luchtvaart. Zo levert het bedrijf miksystemen voor jachtvliegtuigen. Ook is het bedrijf gespecialiseerd in de productie van warmtebeeldcamera's.

De overnamedeal zal naar verwachting in september zijn afgerond. Teledyne was al langer op overnamepad. Eerder werd nog een bod op een Frans bedrijf in de ijskast gezet.

DFT, 04-01-2021, 15:23

Een groot deel van de image sensor techniek van Teledyne/Dalsa  is volgens mij van oorsprong Nederlands (Philips).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/01/2021 | 13:31 uur
DOD Extends F-35 Full-Rate Production Decision Due to Pandemic

https://www.airforcemag.com/dod-extends-f-35-full-rate-production-decision-due-to-pandemic/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/01/2021 | 11:25 uur
Italy, UK and Sweden sign MoU on development of Tempest

05 JANUARY 2021

by Luca Peruzzi

Italian Defence Minister Lorenzo Guerini, UK Secretary of State for Defence Ben Wallace, and Swedish Defence Minister Peter Hultqvist signed a trilateral memorandum of understanding (MoU) on 21 December on the development of the Tempest future fighter, the Italian Ministry of Defence (MoD) announced in a press release on 3 January.

Describing the Future Combat Air System Cooperation (FCASC) MoU as "crucial for the balance of military and industrial capabilities at the European and global level", the ministry said the agreement defines "the general principles for co-operation on an equal basis between the three countries comprising all activities including research, development and joint concepting necessary for governments to acquire an advanced air system to replace Eurofighter". The MoD added, "The agreement will be followed by the project arrangements and the full development phase, currently scheduled to begin in 2025."

As underlined by Guerini during the presentation of the Documento Programmatico Pluriennale (Multiyear Planning Document, DPP) 2020–2022 to the Italian parliament in November, "The Tempest programme is among the defence priority programmes," according to the MoD press release, which said "a first important budget line for Italian participation in Tempest was clearly identified within the Eurofighter programme to allow for the concrete start of activities through the so-called 'Typhoon to Tempest' [technological] transition".

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Italy, the UK, and Sweden signed a trilateral MoU on 21 December on the development of Tempest. (BAE Systems)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/italy-uk-and-sweden-sign-mou-on-development-of-tempest
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/01/2021 | 22:55 uur
£550m F-35 missile contract signed

Press release

A £550 million contract for new surface-attack missiles will secure hundreds of UK jobs and provide unrivalled lethality for the UK's F-35B Lightning jets, Defence Minister Jeremy Quin announced today.

Published 6 January 2021
From: Ministry of Defence, Defence Equipment and Support, and Jeremy Quin MP

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SPEAR3 will equip the UK's F-35B Lightning Jets ©MBDA

Known as SPEAR3, the next-generation missile can travel long distances at high-subsonic speed and over the next decade will become the F-35's primary air-to-ground weapon.

At 1.8 metres long, the missile system has a range of more than 140-kilometres and, powered by a turbojet engine, can operate across land and sea, day or night, to overpower enemy air defence systems, while the pilot and aircraft remains a safe distance away.

Its ability to attack moving targets will enhance the UK's future combat air capability and provide immense lethal capability to the Queen Elizabeth class carrier strike group.

Defence Minister Jeremy Quin said:
"The development of this next-generation missile will allow us to protect our personnel and assets on the ground, from thousands of metres in the sky above."

"Our commitment to this system will secure hundreds of highly skilled jobs across the UK and showcase British technology and weapon expertise on the world stage."

Following a successful development phase, the new seven-year demonstration and manufacture contract with MBDA will support more than 700 UK jobs, including the creation of 190 highly skilled technology jobs in system design, guidance control and navigation and software engineering.

At the peak of the contract, 570 people will work on various aspects of the system's development in Bristol, Stevenage and Bolton. Another 200 jobs are expected to be sustained along the supply chain that includes L3/Harris, Roband, Collins, EPS and MSB.

Colonel Martin French, DE&S' Lightweight and Medium Attack Systems (LMAS) team leader, said:
"The placement of this contract marks the next major stage of the SPEAR3 weapon system's development and is a result of months of detailed negotiations between MBDA and the LMAS project team.

"Building on the successes and technology achievements of the previous four years' work with MBDA, we now enter the exciting and challenging demonstration phase where we start to prove the system against the UK's requirements and ramp up activities to integrate this highly-capable weapon system onto the F-35B aircraft."

With its unique combination of stealth, cutting-edge radar, sensor technology, and armed with SPEAR3, the F-35 will protect aircraft carriers from enemy ships, submarines, aircraft and missiles.

The UK currently has 21 fifth-generation F-35Bs, having received three new jets on 30 November. The platform's Initial Operating Capability (Maritime) was recently declared and, later this year, F-35 jets will sail with HMS Queen Elizabeth on her maiden Global Carrier Strike Group '21 deployment.

The initial demonstration phase will assess the weapon system against the UK military's requirement through, testing, simulation and trials, which will include controlled firings from a Typhoon aircraft.

The contract forms part of the Complex Weapons portfolio with MBDA, which is on track to deliver £1.2 billion saving to UK defence. It also allows the MOD and MBDA to maximise the export potential of complex weapons, including the first-in-class SPEAR3, which supports UK prosperity and the international agenda.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/550m-f-35-missile-contract-signed

https://www.mbda-systems.com/press-releases/uk-orders-production-of-mbda-spear-mini-cruise-missile/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/01/2021 | 09:10 uur
extra info

SPEAR3 mini-cruise missiles to provide ASUW capability to British F-35B

F-35B Strike fighters flying from Royal Navy Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers will be armed with the next-generation SPEAR3 missiles following a £550m deal.

SPEAR3 will become the principal strike weapon of the F-35 Lightning jets operating from the decks of HMS Queen Elizabeth and Prince of Wales.

Designed to knock out warships, tanks and armoured vehicles, missile launchers, bunkers, radar posts and air defence batteries, the new missile can be fired at such long range – more than 140 kilometres (nearly 90 miles) – it should keep the Navy and RAF pilots out of harm's way from enemy ground defences.

Defence firm MBDA has been awarded £550m to equip the Lightning Force – based at RAF Marham – with the new weapon, which has been developed over the past decade and will be introduced to the front line over the next seven years.

Weighing under 90kg and just 1.8 metres long, SPEAR3 – Select Precision Effects At Range missile No.3 – is powered at high subsonic speeds by a turbojet engine, can operate across land and sea, day or night, and strike at moving and stationary targets.

It will support 700 jobs in the UK – 190 of them highly-skilled technology jobs in system design, guidance control and navigation and software engineering – at sites around the country including Bristol, Stevenage and Bolton.

Testing, simulation and trials will include controlled firings from a Typhoon aircraft before the missile is delivered to Marham and the Portsmouth-based carriers for front-line operations.

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SPEAR3 for ASUW

In the absence of a true anti-ship missile for British F-35Bs, MBDA's SPEAR will be the only option available for the Royal Navy to fly anti-surface warfare (ASUW) missions from the Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers. Each F-35Bs can carry up to 8x SPEAR missiles internally (in the weapons bay) meaning they remain low observable. Despite its subsonic speed and relatively small warhead (for anti-ship role) a single F-35 could theoretically launch a saturating attack of 8 missiles against a surface vessel. This is probably enough to disable or put out of combat most vessels, of frigate size and below.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/01/spear3-mini-cruise-missiles-to-provide-asuw-capability-to-british-f-35b/

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MDBA mock-up showing a UK F-35B in multi-role configuration with 2 x ASRAAM on the outer pylons plus 2 x Meteors and 8 x SPEAR 3 in the internal weapon bays.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: vlincent op 07/01/2021 | 20:44 uur
Wat meer informatie over de SPEAR3:
https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/uk-complex-weapons/spear-capability-3/

De SPEAR3 is de long range version van de Brimstone missle.
Blijkbaar hadden ze ook de gedachte om de GBU-53/B StormBreaker te gebruiken. Maar hadden dus gekozen voor een nieuwe ontwikkeling van een bestaand systeem.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/01/2021 | 20:26 uur
F-35 Readiness for Full-Rate Production Lies With Independent Academic Team

https://www.airforcemag.com/f-35-readiness-for-full-rate-production-lies-with-independent-academic-team/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/01/2021 | 22:57 uur
Northrop Grumman to Enable New F-35 Warfighting Capability

BALTIMORE – Jan. 12, 2020 – Northrop Grumman Corporation (NYSE: NOC) has received a contract award from Lockheed Martin Corporation to enable new functionality to protect the 5th Generation F-35 Lightning II multi-role fighter. As part of a collaborative arrangement between Northrop Grumman, BAE Systems and Lockheed Martin, the three companies will integrate Northrop Grumman's AN/ASQ-242 Integrated Communications, Navigation and Identification (ICNI) and BAE Systems' AN/ASQ-239 Electronic Warfare/Countermeasures (EW/CM) system for optimal operational utility.

"This arrangement allows us to collectively provide enhanced capabilities without compromising the size, weight or power of the aircraft," said Howard Lurie, vice president, F-35 programs, Northrop Grumman. "We are proud to be a primary partner of the F-35 team, providing our U.S. and allied warfighters superior combat effectiveness."

Northrop Grumman's ICNI system provides F-35 pilots with more than 27 fully-integrated operational functions. Using its industry-leading software-defined radio technology, Northrop Grumman's design allows the simultaneous operation of multiple critical functions while greatly reducing size, weight and power demands on the advanced F-35 fighter. These functions include Identification Friend or Foe (IFF), automatic acquisition of fly-to points, and various voice and data communications such as the Multifunction Advanced Data Link (MADL).

The BAE Systems' AN/ASQ-239 system is an advanced, proven electronic warfare suite that provides fully integrated radar warning, targeting support, and self-protection to detect and defeat threats and enable the F-35 to reach well-defended targets.

"As Lockheed Martin's electronic warfare integrator for all F-35 aircraft, we're committed to equipping our customers with advanced capabilities that help them conduct their missions," said Deborah Norton, vice president of F-35 Solutions at BAE Systems. "Under this collaborative agreement, we will work closely with Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman to enhance the capability of our fully integrated EW system – heightening pilots' situational awareness and helping them evade, engage and defeat modern threats."

As the provider for F-35's ICNI continuously since low rate initial production (LRIP) Lot 1, Northrop Grumman has delivered more than 750 shipsets to date. Components of the new functionality are planned to begin incorporation starting in 2025 (Lot 17) and will include upgraded electronics and software.

Northrop Grumman plays a key role in the development, modernization, sustainment and production of the F-35. The company manufactures the center fuselage and wing skins for the aircraft, produces and maintains several sensors, avionics and mission systems as well as mission-planning software, pilot and maintainer training courseware, electronic warfare simulation testing and low-observable technologies.

https://news.northropgrumman.com/news/releases/northrop-grumman-to-enable-new-f-35-warfighting-capability
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/01/2021 | 10:23 uur
BAE Systems to support U.S. AV-8B Harrier fleet to 2029

12 Jan 2021

BAE Systems and Vertex Aerospace have signed a nine-year agreement to enhance availability of the U.S. Marine Corps' AV-8B Harrier II fleet.

The U.S. Department of the Navy awarded Vertex Aerospace LLC the $123 million Contracted Maintenance, Modification, Aircrew, and Related Services (CMMARS) task order in July 2020 to provide aircraft maintenance and Contractor Logistics Support (CLS) services for the U.S. Marine Corps' AV-8B Harrier fleet.

Vertex Aerospace selected BAE Systems as a subcontractor for the new logistics support contract, which will ensure increased efficiency of maintenance operations for the Harrier fleet using predictive maintenance techniques and smart stock optimization tools. Together, BAE Systems and Vertex Aerospace will support the crucial training and combat operations conducted from U.S. Navy's aircraft carriers, amphibious assault ships, and forward operating bases.

This contract builds on BAE Systems' existing role in maintaining the AV-8B Harrier's reaction control system and providing engineering and technical support. Engineers from BAE Systems will work alongside Vertex and the U.S. Marine Corps at stations in: Cherry Point, North Carolina; Yuma, Arizona; and, Madison, Mississippi. They will be supported by a specialist team in the UK with a proven pedigree of delivering maintenance and support contracts for the UK Royal Air Force.

This is the latest collaborative effort between BAE Systems and Vertex Aerospace supporting the U.S. armed forces, who together also support the U.S. Navy's Large Aircraft Infrared Countermeasures contract and spare wing production on the T-45 Goshawk program.

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https://www.baesystems.com/en/article/bae-systems-to-support-u-s--av-8b-harrier-fleet-to-2029
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/01/2021 | 19:33 uur
Roper Hints NGAD Could Replace F-35; Why? Life-Cycle Costs

https://breakingdefense.com/2021/01/roper-hints-ngad-could-replace-f-35-why-life-cycle-costs/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/01/2021 | 22:45 uur
Uit het DOT&E FY 2020 rapport (ook eigen topic) het F-35 deel.

https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2020/dod/2020f35jsf.pdf?ver=C5dAWLFs4_N3ZLrP-qB0QQ%3d%3d
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/01/2021 | 22:47 uur
Covid-19 impacts Super Hornet timeline for Kuwait

15 JANUARY 2021

by Gareth Jennings

Deliveries of 28 Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet combat aircraft to Kuwait have been delayed due to the ongoing Covid-19 health crisis, a company official told Janes on 14 January.

The 22 single-seat F/A-18Es and six twin-seat F/A-18Fs that were contracted in a government-to-government deal in June 2018 will be handed over to the US Navy (USN) later in 2021, instead of by the end of January as first intended.

"Covid has certainly impacted our business. We are working with the customer now on contract modifications to reflect our new timeline, and we will deliver the final Kuwait F/A-18 Super Hornet to the US Navy this summer [third quarter]," Boeing told Janes . The timeline for the USN's final handover of the jets to the Kuwaiti Air Force has not been disclosed.

The USD2.7 billion deal for Kuwait (including radar warning receivers and weapons) involves Super Hornets built largely to the USN's latest Block 3 standard (with some legacy Block 2 elements reportedly retained). Taking facets of Boeing's previously touted International Roadmap and Advanced Super Hornet, the Block 3 includes upgrades to the Raytheon AN/APG-79 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar; an Elbit Systems large area display (LAD) 'glass' cockpit and next-generation avionics; an infrared search and track (IRST); 'shoulder-mounted' conformal fuel tanks (CFTs); Integrated Defensive Electronic Counter Measures (IDECM); and new General Electric F-414-400 enhanced engines. Further to the capability enhancements, the Block 3 airframe is extended from 6,000 hours to 9,000 hours.

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Kuwait is to join Australia as a Super Hornet (pictured) export customer with an initial contract for the production of 28 aircraft. The Gulf nation has been approved to buy up to 40 such aircraft by the US government. (Commonwealth of Australia)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/covid-19-impacts-super-hornet-timeline-for-kuwait
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/01/2021 | 10:27 uur
Secrets of Tempest's ground-breaking radar revealed

Radar engineers on the Tempest fighter program have said they expect to break data-processing records. The secret, they explain, is all about miniaturization and going digital.

The sixth-generation jet — planned by the U.K., Sweden and Italy and set to enter service after 2030 — will bristle with new technology, from its weaponry and propulsion to a virtual cockpit projected inside the pilot's helmet.

But the group set the bar high in October by announcing the fighter's radar would process a quantity of data equivalent to nine hours of high-definition video — or the internet traffic of a medium-sized city — every second.

Few details were given to back up the claim, but now U.K.-based engineers with Italian firm Leonardo, who are working on the radar, have shared clues with Defense News.

.../...

https://www.c4isrnet.com/home/2021/01/15/secrets-of-tempests-ground-breaking-radar-revealed/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/01/2021 | 11:52 uur
Lockheed Martin Progressing Towards LRASM Integration On F-35

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/01/lockheed-martin-progressing-towards-lrasm-integration-on-f-35/

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Lockheed Martin unveiled this artist impression showing a F-35 fighter fitted with two LRASM.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/01/2021 | 21:08 uur
UAE signs deal with U.S. to buy 50 F-35 jets and up to 18 drones: sources

https://reut.rs/2M9cqXY
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/01/2021 | 22:42 uur
First flight for Greek F-16V

20 JANUARY 2021

by Gareth Jennings

The first of 84 Hellenic Air Force (HAF) F-16C/D Fighting Falcon combat aircraft to be upgraded to the latest F-16V standard made its maiden flight on 17 January.

The milestone, announced by Hellenic Aerospace Industry (HAI) on the same day, saw HAI and Lockheed Martin evaluate the aircraft's upgraded systems "with absolute success".

"It is noted that these upgrade works were carried out within the planned schedule, without any deviation," HAI said.

News of the first flight came 25 months after the US Department of Defense (DoD) awarded Lockheed Martin a USD996.8 million Foreign Military Sales (FMS) contract to perform the upgrade work at its Fort Worth facility in Texas in December 2018.

Janes understands that while the initial two platforms are being upgraded in the United States, the remainder will be modernised by HAI at its Tanagra facilities in Greece. Work is scheduled to be complete by 30 June 2027.

As the most advanced variant of the F-16 available today, the F-16V (known as the Block 70/72 in its new-build guise) features the Northrop Grumman AN/APG-83 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar (derived from the F-16E/F Block 60 AN/APG-80 and also known as the Scalable Agile Beam Radar [SABR]), a new Raytheon mission computer, the Link 16 datalink, modern cockpit displays, an enhanced electronic warfare system, and a ground-collision avoidance system.

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Greece is to upgrade 84 of its F-16C/D Fighting Falcons to the latest F-16V standard. (HAI)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/first-flight-for-greek-f-16v
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 23/01/2021 | 09:55 uur
Air Force Eyes Drones For Adversary And Light Attack Roles As It Mulls Buying New F-16s

The future of the U.S. Air Force's tactical aircraft fleet is under review, with some radical ideas under discussion.

BY THE WAR ZONE STAFF JANUARY 22, 2021

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/38847/air-force-eyes-drones-for-adversary-and-light-attack-roles-as-it-mulls-buying-new-f-16s
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/01/2021 | 22:56 uur
Next F-35 Contracts Under Negotiation, Deal Expected by Late September (m.b.t. Lot 15-17)

https://www.airforcemag.com/next-f-35-contracts-under-negotiation-deal-expected-by-late-september/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/01/2021 | 22:54 uur
Greece signs for Rafale combat aircraft

25 JANUARY 2021

by Gareth Jennings

Greece and France have finalised a deal for 18 Dassault Rafale combat aircraft for the Hellenic Air Force (HAF), valued at an estimated EUR1.92 billion (USD2.35 billion).

Theodoros Lagios, Director General of Armament and Investments of the Greek Ministry of Defence (MoD), and Éric Trappier, Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation, signed the contract in Athens on 25 January, cementing the deal that was approved by the Greek parliament in December 2020. A further contract for logistical support was also signed.

"Greece is a leading European partner, a major member of NATO and a special partner of France, with which Dassault Aviation has stood ... by [through earlier combat aircraft sales] for more than 45 years," Trappier was quoted as saying.

The 18 Rafales will comprise 12 surplus French Air and Space Force aircraft (10 single seaters and two twin seaters) and six new-build aircraft to be built in France. To meet the urgent need of the Greek authorities, the deliveries of aircraft will begin in the summer of 2021 and will be spread over two years. The additional logistic support contract will support the HAF's Rafale air activity over four-and-a-half years.

As previously reported by Janes, another EUR400 million will be used to purchase MBDA Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missiles (BVRAAMs) and to upgrade missiles already in the HAF inventory, namely Mica air-to-air missiles, Scalp cruise missiles, and Exocet anti-ship missiles, for carriage by the Rafales.

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The HAF is to receive 18 Rafale fighters from France, comprising 12 surplus and six new-build airframes under a deal signed on 25 January. (Dassault)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/greece-signs-for-rafale-combat-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/01/2021 | 22:57 uur
Russia launches PAK DP development to replace MiG-31

25 JANUARY 2021

by Gareth Jennings

Russia has officially launched the development of a replacement for the MiG-31 'Foxhound' interceptor under the PAK DP (Predpolagayemyy vozdukha Kompleks dlya Dal'ney Perekhvat: Prospective Air Complex for Long-Range Interception) programme.

Rostec announced on 22 January that PAK DA, which was touted as far back as 2015, has now commenced, saying, "Development of the next generation of interceptor fighters has already begun. The project of the PAK DP under the designation 'MiG-41' is at the stage of development work."

News of the work comes some five-and-a-half years after the then commander-in-chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS), Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev, said in August 2015 that the effort would be launched in 2019, with the goal of fielding a replacement for the 1970s era MiG-31 in the 2028 timeframe.

The VKS is currently upgrading 130 of its approximately 200 'Foxhound' aircraft to the latest MiG-31BM standard. This upgrade encompasses the aircraft's avionics, cockpit displays, datalinks, radar, and fire-control systems, and will also see the refurbishment of the fuselage and landing gear.

By the time this process is complete, the MiG-31BM will be fit to serve through to the 2030s. Even so, the VKS has said that it is looking to field a replacement in about the 2028 timeframe. Specific details, such as performance specifications, pertaining to this PAK DP replacement have not yet been released. However, over recent years Janes

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A MiG-31 interceptor departs on a sortie. The VKS aims to field a replacement being developed under the PAK DP programme by the late 2020s. (VKS)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/russia-launches-pak-dp-development-to-replace-mig-31
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/01/2021 | 09:53 uur
Update: F-35 Block 4 Upgrades And New F-35B At-Sea Users

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/01/update-f-35-block-4-upgrades-and-new-f-35b-at-sea-users/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/01/2021 | 10:25 uur
Rostec confirms development of PAK DP MiG-41 to replace MiG-31

The Mikoyan MiG-41 or PAK DP (Prospective air complex for long-range interception) is a stealth interceptor aircraft/heavy fighter under development by Mikoyan Gurevitch. The aircraft is intended to replace the MiG-31 in the Russian Air Force in mid-2020s. According to the Russian defence analyst Vasily Kashin, the MiG-41 would be considered as a 5++ or 6th generation project.

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The work on the supersonic PAK DP MiG-41 interceptor is making use of the MiG-701 (Izdeliye 7.01), MiG-301 and Mikoyan MiG-321 projects begun in the 1990s. It was speculated that it could enter service by the mid-2020s or 2030s. As an interceptor, its primary mission was rumored to offset future reconnaissance aircraft currently being developed by the U.S. and China. To achieve the high speeds rumoured for the aircraft, the aircraft would need to be equipped with ramjet or turboramjet engines.

The design of the MiG-41 was finalized by the end of 2019, at the same time the research work was completed. In 2020, within that research framework, the Russian Ministry of Defense selected the most promising project. Work in this area now continues in R&D. Ilya Tarasenko, the general director of the MiG corporation, as well as the head of the Sukhoi company, said in an interview in July 2020 that the PAK DP will be created on the basis of the MiG-31's design.

According to Izvestia, the MiG-41 is envisioned to become an interceptor of hypersonic missiles by carrying a multifunctional long-range interceptor missile system (MPKR DP) that will dispense several sub-missiles in order to increase the chance of intercepting hypersonic weapons. The PAK DP is also intended to carry anti-satellite missiles.

In January 2021, Rostec Corporation, the owner of Mikoyan, announced that the MiG-41 had now entered the development phase.

https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2021/january/6848-rostech-confirms-development-of-pak-dp-mig-41-to-replace-mig-31.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/01/2021 | 10:53 uur
@theF35 (26-01-2021)

CitaatHeaded to Final Finish

Denmark's first #F35 has rolled off the production line and moved to the Aircraft Final Finish facility. The aircraft, L-001, will be delivered to @forsvaretdk this April.

Filmpje is te zien via onderstaande link.

https://twitter.com/thef35/status/1354157230199812099
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/01/2021 | 15:45 uur
Super Hornet ski jump take off

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/01/2021 | 20:14 uur
Biden administration freezes F-35 sales to UAE

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/biden-administration-freezes-f-35-sales-to-uae-report/ via @timesofisrael
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 27/01/2021 | 23:54 uur
Mooi
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: JdL op 28/01/2021 | 11:05 uur
Prima beslissing.
Prima als de UAE jets wil kopen, F/A-18, F-15, F-16, keuze zat.
Maar de technologie van de F-35 is te gevoelig om met dergelijke landen te delen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/01/2021 | 11:12 uur
Het is wel tijdelijk. Afwachten of de VAE deal definitief wordt afgeblazen.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSFWN2K21KO
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/01/2021 | 09:18 uur
Boeing gets U.S. approval to offer F-15EX to India

Boeing has received a licence from the U.S. government to offer its F-15EX fighter jet to the Indian air force, a senior executive said on Thursday.

Boeing will compete with Sweden's Gripen and France's Rafale among others for the Indian air force's plan to buy 114 multi-role aircraft to replace its Soviet-era fleet.

Ankur Kanaglekar, director, India Fighters Lead, Boeing Defense, Space & Security, told reporters discussions on the F-15EX had taken place earlier between the two governments.

"Now that we have the marketing licence it allows us to talk to the Indian Air Force directly about the capability of the fighter. We have started doing that in a small way," he said, adding conversations were expected to gather pace during the Aero India show next week.

India and the United States have built close defence ties, with the Indian military buying over $20 billion worth of weapons in the last 15 years.

Lockheed Martin is also pitching its F-21 fighter to the Indian air force, offering to build the plane in the country to win the deal estimated to be worth more than $18 billion.

Boeing is bullish on India for both its defence and commercial aviation businesses, even as the COVID-19 pandemic has hit demand for air travel, forcing airlines to first get their finances in order before ordering new planes.

Boeing expects domestic passenger traffic to return to 2019 levels by the end of this year, Salil Gupte, the company's India head said, adding international traffic would return to pre-COVID levels only by 2023.

One of the planemaker's biggest customers is Indian low-cost carrier SpiceJet Ltd, which has a large order for its narrowbody 737 MAX planes.

Boeing on Wednesday got the green light from the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) to return its 737 MAX planes to service after a 22-month ban and Gupte said it was working to get approvals from the Indian regulator.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boeing-india/boeing-gets-u-s-approval-to-offer-f-15ex-to-india-idUSKBN29X0UP?il=0
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/01/2021 | 22:38 uur
Request for Best and Final Offer sent for HX Fighter Programme

https://www.defmin.fi/en/topical/press_releases_and_news/request_for_best_and_final_offer_sent_for_hx_fighter_programme.11779.news#ece59485
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/02/2021 | 10:28 uur
Navy Considers Axing Conformal Fuel Tanks From Its Block III Super Hornet Upgrade Plan

The Navy says conformal fuel tanks, long-touted as a critical upgrade for its Super Hornets, may be turning out to be more trouble than they're worth.

.../...

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39007/navy-considers-axing-conformal-fuel-tanks-from-its-block-iii-super-hornet-upgrade-plan
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/02/2021 | 22:37 uur
France to order 12 Rafales to replace those sold to Greece

02 FEBRUARY 2021

by Nicholas Fiorenza

French Minister of the Armed Forces Florence Parly on 29 January announced France's decision to order 12 Rafale combat aircraft to replace those sold to Greece. Her ministry said on its website the same day that the Direction Générale de l'Armement (DGA), France's armament procurement agency, would place orders with Dassault Aviation, Safran, and Thales in February. Parly made the announcement during her visit to the Dassault Aviation plant in Argonay.

The new Rafale F3Rs will replace the 12 second-hand aircraft of the 18 sold to Greece, according to the Ministry of the Armed Forces. The ministry said that the French Air and Space Forces would have 129 Rafales with increased capabilities, in line with the objectives of France's Loi de Programmation Militaire (LPM) 2019–25 military funding programme. The 12 Rafales are expected to be delivered in 2025 and will be in addition to the 28 foreseen by the LPM that will be produced starting in December 2022. The replacement of the 12 used aircraft and their sensors will give the French Air and Space Forces the latest equipment and capabilities, the ministry said.

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France is to order 12 Rafale F3R combat aircraft in February to replace 12 older versions sold to Greece. (Ministère des Armées)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/france-to-order-12-rafales-to-replace-those-sold-to-greece
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/02/2021 | 22:40 uur
HAL completes licensed production of final two of 222 Su-30MKI fighters for IAF

02 FEBRUARY 2021

by Rahul Bedi

Indian state-owned company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has completed the licensed production of the last two of 222 Sukhoi Su-30MKI multirole fighters ordered for the Indian Air Force (IAF) from 2001. A senior HAL official told Janes on 2 February that one of the twin-engined aircraft had already been certified by the Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification (CEMILAC) in Bangalore for integration with the 292 km-range BrahMos cruise missile. Certification for the second fighter is still pending.

That said, HAL is expected to licence-build another 12 Su-30MKIs for INR107.30 billion (USD1.47 billion). India's Ministry of Defence (MoD), which approved the acquisition of the additional fighters in July 2020, is now in "advanced negotiations" with Moscow, with a deal likely to be reached by 2022, according to industry sources. These aircraft are meant to be replacements for the Su-30MKIs lost in accidents, the most recent of which took place in August 2019.

In 1996 the IAF initially acquired 50 Su-30s for around USD1.8 billion, all of which were later exchanged for Su-30MKI aircraft. This was followed by three agreements to licence-build a total of 222 Su-30MKIs for USD10 billion–USD12 billion at HAL's Nashik facility in western India under a transfer of technology agreement.

Over years, these HAL-built fighters have incorporated indigenously developed avionics, alongside French- and Israeli-made sub-systems and weaponry, to emerge as the IAF's largest single aircraft type and the backbone of its fighter fleet.

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India's HAL completed licensed construction of the final two of 222 Su-30MKI fighters (similar to these ones) ordered for the IAF from 2001. (Irkut Corporation)

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/hal-completes-licensed-production-of-final-two-of-222-su-30mki-fighters-for-iaf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 03/02/2021 | 08:11 uur
Boeing F-15EX First Flight

Boeing's F-15EX fighter jet taking off on its first flight on Feb. 2, 2021. The jet took off and landed from St. Louis Lambert International Airport, completing a 90-minute test flight before returning to the airport. Boeing will be delivering the first two jets to the U.S. Air Force soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=475gVQ8uv0A&feature=emb_logo
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/02/2021 | 10:40 uur
De eerste vlucht van de F-15EX (02-02-2021) is bijna 50 jaar na de eerste vlucht van de F-15A (27-07-1972).

F-15EX First Flight Clears Path for Deliveries to U.S. Air Force

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/news-releases-statements?item=130824#assets_20295_130824-117
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/02/2021 | 10:54 uur
Hellenic Air Force F-16V ready to depart to USA

PUBLISHED: 02 FEBRUARY 2021   LAST UPDATED: 03 FEBRUARY 2021

Weather conditions permitting, the Hellenic Air Force Lockheed F-16C-52+ Fighting Falcon, serial 005, will depart Tanagra air base (Greece) to SABCA, Gosselies (Belgium) on 4 February 2021.

At Gosselies, the F-16V will be joined by two, possibly three US Air Force F-16s (originating from Shaw AFB, SC) for the ferry flight to the USA. The following two Shaw AFB 20th Fighter Wing/79th Fighter Squadron F-16CMs are reported to join the ferry flight; 91-0379/SW and 00-0226/SW. It is possible that the third Shaw AFB F-16 will join. The Shaw aircraft were overhauled at SABCA and are ready for their return to CONUS.

In the USA, the Greek F-16V will receive some additional upgrades and Lockheed Martin certification of the work done by Hellenic Aerospace Industries (HAI). In that way HAI will be cleared to proceed with the F-16V upgrade on excisting HAF F-16C/Ds. Greece awarded Lockheed Martin a USD 280 million contract to upgrade the air force's fleet of F-16C-52+ and F-16D-52+ over the next seven years. These F-16s will be upgraded to the Block 70/72 Viper configuration. The modernisation of 84 F-16s in the "Viper" version is expected to be completed by 2027.

As you can see on the photo, the Greek flag on the tail has been covered and the USAF stars and bars have been, although still covered, applied.

(https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/2021/february/Greece_F-16V_stars_and_bars_640.jpg)

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/hellenic-air-force-f-16v-ready-to-depart-to-usa
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/02/2021 | 11:25 uur
Video from the production line of the first Su-57 Felon delivered to the Russian Air Force (vanuit het Italiaans naar Engels vertaald m.b.v. Edge vertaalfunctie)

https://www.aviation-report.com/video-dalla-linea-di-produzione-del-primo-su-57-felon-consegnato-alle-forze-aeree-russe/

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/02/2021 | 12:45 uur
Update: Rafael unveils SPICE 250 ER development

03 FEBRUARY 2021

by Robin Hughes

Rafael Advanced Defence Systems has disclosed development of a powered, extended range (ER) variant of the SPICE 250 air-to-surface autonomous glide weapon system.

Designated SPICE 250 ER, the new variant incorporates a micro-turbojet engine with an internal JP-8/10 fuel reservoir to deliver what is understood to be a conservatively stated range "of at least 150km".

Currently in high-volume production for a number of customers, the standard SPICE 250 is an all-up weapon system, unlike the heavier 1000 and 2000 family variants, which are essentially electro-optical/infrared (EO/IR) guidance and target acquisition add-on kits for 1000,lb and 2,000 lb general purpose and penetration warheads.

Weighing 250 lb (113 kg) and furnished with a 75 kg class warhead (blast fragmentation/penetration), the unpowered SPICE 250 variant is a lightweight day/night all-weather precision weapon with a stand-off range of 100 km and a stated circular error probable (CEP) of "better than 3 m." Equipped with a mid-body fold-out wing assembly and rear cruciform tail control fin set, the weapon system features an improved EO/IR guidance package, midcourse INS/GPS navigation, a two-way datalink, and pre-set or cockpit selectable fuze options.

All current production SPICE variants – 250, 1000, 2000 – are furnished with an Automatic Target Acquisition (ATA) capability: an autonomous electro-optic scene matching technology designed to overcome GPS-jamming, navigation and target location errors in the engagement of fixed targets. On approach to the target, the scene-matching algorithm compares the electro-optical image received in real-time via the weapon seeker with mission reference data stored in the weapon's computer memory.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 10/02/2021 | 05:25 uur
Negotiations under way with Indonesia over fighter jet project: official

SEOUL, Feb. 9 (Yonhap) -- South Korea is in talks with Indonesia about a joint project to develop a next-generation fighter jet, the head of the arms procurement agency said Tuesday, amid speculation that the Southeast Asian nation wants to quit the project.

Indonesia agreed to partner in South Korea's KF-X project aimed at developing a new fighter jet by 2026, and promised to shoulder 20 percent of the total development cost of 8.8 trillion won (US$7.3 billion), or about 1.7 trillion won.

But Indonesia stopped making payments after investing 227.2 billion won, with around 600 billion won overdue.

"We are in the process of sounding out each other's position," Kang Eun-ho, chief of the Defense Acquisition Program Administration, said during a press briefing. "We will elaborate in detail when the time is right."

Indonesia's initial goal was to procure aircraft for its air force and advance the country's aerospace industry through the partnership but foreign media have been reporting that the Southeast Asian nation is now pushing to sign a deal with France to purchase new fighter jets.

South Korea has been working on the KF-X project since 2015 to develop a homegrown cutting-edge fighter aircraft to replace the Air Force's aging fleet of F-4 and F-5 jets.

In September last year, Korea Aerospace Industries Co. got down to the final assembly of a prototype that is expected to be made public by April.

When the development is complete, 40 units are planned to be delivered to the Air Force by 2028 and another 80 units by 2032, officials said.

Meanwhile, Kang also vowed to thoroughly prepare to secure a light aircraft carrier for the military, saying that multiple researches are under way for the project.

"We will make thorough preparations to make sure there are no setbacks in pushing for the project when the budget is secured at the National Assembly," he said.

https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20210209007700325?section=national/defense
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/02/2021 | 22:41 uur
First German Tornado to pass through life-extension programme makes maiden flight

11 FEBRUARY 2021

by Gareth Jennings

Germany has flown the first Panavia Tornado combat aircraft to have its service life extended with the goal of seeing the wider fleet out to its 2030 retirement date.

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The maiden flight of the first Luftwaffe Tornado to go through a service life extension upgrade was announced on 10 February. (Airbus)

The Luftwaffe announced on 10 February that the first Tornado, serial 43+42 from Tactical Air Force Wing 33, had flown following the process that had seen its airframe life extended to 8,000 flight hours from the type's current 6,000 flight hours.

"A decision by the Federal Ministry of Defence was decisive for the laborious step of dismantling the fuselage," the Luftwaffe said. "According to this, all 85 Tornados should remain in service until the end of 2030. This can only be achieved if such extensive work is done."

As noted by the Luftwaffe, the upgrade involves the near-complete dismantling of the aircraft at Airbus Defence and Space's Manching facility in southern Germany. The analysis and test engineering company Industrieanlagen-Betriebsgesellschaft (IABG) in Ottorbrunn then determines which parts have reached the end of their lives and need replacement, which then have to be built and installed.

"The exchange of important structural parts, such as the ring frame, was a first," the Luftwaffe said. "Originally it was never planned that this connecting element between the front and middle part of the fuselage would ever have to be replaced. Therefore, the civil-military team could not simply order replacement parts. Each of the 400 or so structural parts required was reproduced and reinstalled for the first time – there is no such thing off the shelf." The Luftwaffe added that approximately 2,000 steps are necessary to dismantle and reassemble the Tornado.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/02/2021 | 10:02 uur
F-15EX

https://warontherocks.com/2019/06/f-15ex-the-strategic-blind-spot-in-the-air-forces-fighter-debate/

The F-15EX could match the F-35 in sensor fusion

The modern F-15E shows how neatly compartmentalizing fighters into "generations" can be misleading and subconsciously shape our perceptions.

Consider the fifth-generation F-35's much-lauded sensor fusion. This is enabled by computing power, software, sensors, and algorithms; all items with high potential to scale to other platforms — and they have.

Despite the hype, the reality is that almost all current fighters have had some form of sensor fusion for the better part of a decade.

In fact, the newest, largest, and most capable radar and the highest computing power on a U.S. aircraft aren't on a fifth-generation fighter — they're on the F-15E.


In the time I've flown the F-15E I've seen it progress through seven major operational software updates (called suites) and various hardware upgrades, each more integrated and potent than the last. When the next software upgrade arrives it will have even more sensors and hardware.

In fact, the only limitation keeping it from achieving sensor fusion on par with the F-35 is its cockpit displays.

As an example of how sequestration and funding instability drive incoherent budget choices, nearly $12 billion in aforementioned F-15E sensor upgrades are still stubbornly pushed through 1980s displays that use cathode-ray tubes to produce low-quality analog video that aren't even all color, let alone digital, touchscreen, or high-resolution.

The impressive F-35 cockpit has all of this, and that makes all the difference.

The F-15EX enhanced cockpit displays mirror the newest displays coming to both F/A-18 Block III and F-35 Block 4, mostly because they are all made by the same company.

https://www.snafu-solomon.com/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/02/2021 | 22:56 uur
Polish F-35A Lightning IIs will be based at Łask

PUBLISHED: 12 FEBRUARY 2021   LAST UPDATED: 13 FEBRUARY 2021

On 12 february 2021, the Polish Press Agency published an interview with the Polish Minister of Defence, Mariusz Błaszczak, where he said that the Lightning IIs will be based at Łask / 32. Baza Lotnictwa Taktycznego (32.BLT, 32nd Tactical Air Base). This air base is currently the home base for the 10. Eskadra Lotnictwa Taktycznego (10th Tactical Fighter Squadron) operating the F-16C and F-16D Fighting Falcon.

The contract for the procurement of 32 F-35A Lightning II Block 4 fighter aircraft was signed by on 31 January 2020.

Deliveries are scheduled to start in 2024, with the first six aircraft to be based at Luke AFB (AZ) with the 56th Fighter Wing for training of air and ground crews. The first aircraft in Poland is expected to arrive in the 2025-2026 timeframe, with the final F-35As to be delivered before 2030. The Initial Operating Capability (IOC) is scheduled for 2028.

In the interview, Mariusz Błaszczak mentioned that the infrastructure at Łask only needs to be supplemented, not built from scratch. The necessary work is already underway. He had no comments on where the F-16s from Łask will be transferred to. The 21st Tactical Air Base in Swidwin is a good candidate, as this air base is modernized at this moment.

(https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/2021/february/Poland_F-35_delivery_schedule_640.jpg)
Image: European Security & Defence

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/polish-f-35a-lightning-iis-will-be-based-at-lask
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/02/2021 | 11:06 uur
German Tornado fighter jets will fly until 2030

The Luftwaffe in collaboration with Airbus DS carried out the flight of the first Panavia Tornado fighter aircraft with an extended service life.

This first Tornado of 43 + 42 series of the Tactical Air Force Wing 33, flew from the Airbus facilities in Manching, following a modernization process which will increase the life of the airframe from 6000 to 8000 hours.

"A decision by the Federal Ministry of Defence was decisive for the laborious step of dismantling the fuselage," the Luftwaffe said. "According to this, all 85 Tornados should remain in service until the end of 2030. This can only be achieved if such extensive work is done."

To extend airframe life, Airbus had to replace several important structural parts such as the connecting element between the front part and the middle part of the fuselage. To do this, the maintenance teams had to reproduce parts that no longer existed.

"The exchange of important structural parts, such as the ring frame, was a first," the Luftwaffe said. "Originally it was never planned that this connecting element between the front and middle part of the fuselage would ever have to be replaced. Therefore, the civil-military team could not simply order replacement parts. Each of the 400 or so structural parts required was reproduced and reinstalled for the first time – there is no such thing off the shelf."

According to a Luftwaffe spokesperson, it took nearly 2,000 steps to dismantle and reassemble the Tornado. Indeed, this airframe update requires the almost complete dismantling of the aircraft at the Airbus Defense and Space plant in Manching, in southern Germany. The engineering, analysis and testing company, Industrieanlagen-Betriebsgesellschaft (IABG) in Ottorbrunn then determines which parts should be replaced, rebuilt and then reinstalled.

https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2021/february/6949-german-tornado-fighter-jets-will-fly-until-2030.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/02/2021 | 11:41 uur
New Supersonic Anti-Ship Missile for South Korea's KF-X Breaks Cover

The first artist impression of a new supersonic anti-ship missile for South Korea's KF-X fighter has been released.
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Locally known as "400mm-class Air-to-Ship Guided Missile-II" (400mm급 공대함유도탄-II), this missile features a ducted ramjet propulsion with range of 500km. It is expected to undergo live fire testing in 2026 and enter service with the Republic of Korea Air Force (ROKAF) next generation fighter, the KF-X, in the late 2020s or early 2030s.

Contacted by Naval News, a Korean defense industry source confirmed that this missile is being developed by local missile systems manufacturer LIG Nex1 with the ADD (Agency for Defense Development, 국방과학연구소). According to the unofficial "Republic of Korea Armed Forces" Facebook page (a reliable source of Korean military information with over 50,000 followers), this particular missile is a separate project from the Republic of Korea Navy's elusive supersonic anti-ship missile.

In addition to the procurement of Meteor long range air-to-air missiles for KF-X, South Korea is developing its own long range, ramjet-powered, beyond visual range (BVR) missile. According to an ADD publication (Defense Science and Technology Plus No. 248 2nd Quarter 2020), core technologies researched for the "400mm-class Air-to-Ship Guided Missile-II" will be applied to the new BVR air to air missile. Technologies such as "ramjet engine, and data link technologies secured while preparing for the development of the air-to-ship-II missile will be able to be applied to the domestic development of 200mm air-to-air missile without much difficulty". It is likely that the "400mm" anti-ship missile and the "200mm" air to air missile will share the same design concept and shape, although their main components are different in size. Through this "same design but smaller size" approach, the ADD believes that it will lower the mass production costs for the ducted ramjet missile, which is pointed out as a relative disadvantage compared to the production of solid rocket propulsion missile.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/02/new-supersonic-anti-ship-missile-for-south-koreas-kf-x-breaks-cover/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/02/2021 | 11:42 uur
U.S. Air Force names first overseas-based F-35A Squadron

48th Fighter Wing Public Affairs / Published February 16, 2021

ROYAL AIR FORCE LAKENHEATH, England --
The 48th Fighter Wing selected a new nickname for the first U.S. Air Force overseas-based F-35A squadron. The wing solicited help from the public to name the unit. 700 different suggestions were originally submitted in the fall of 2020, and narrowed down to five finalists. In December, thousands of votes were cast in opinion polls, and the Liberty Wing collectively decided that the 495th Fighter Squadron will be called the "Valkyries," besting four other choices – Archangels, Sabres, Sentinels, and Swordsmen.

In Norse mythology, Valkyries are female figures who choose those that will live, or die, in battle. RAF Lakenheath is in the East of England, an area with extensive Viking and Norse history.  Additionally, the 495th Fighter Squadron motto: "Mala Ipsa Nova" in Latin, means "Bad News Itself." Both factors, emphasize "Valkyries" as an extremely suitable nickname for the U.K.-based unit.

"'Valkyries' epitomizes the force's move toward more inclusivity and equally represents the fifth-generation stealth fighter's air superiority," said Lt. Col. Ian McLaughlin, the incoming 495 FS commander. "I am honored to be the first commander of the initial U.S. Air Force overseas-based F-35A unit. Like the Valkyries themselves, they'll be vital to determining the fate of our adversaries in the battlefield."

The first F-35As are scheduled to arrive at RAF Lakenheath in late 2021. The base was selected to host the first U.S. F-35A squadrons in Europe based on existing infrastructure, history of fighter operations support, and combined training opportunities. The U.K. is a critical component in training and combat readiness for Air Forces in Europe due to its excellent airspace, and F-35 program partnership.

"The amount of support we received, and continue to receive, from the community both here and back home has been overwhelming, and highly appreciated," said Col. Jason Camilletti, 48th Fighter Wing commander. "Basing F-35s at the Liberty Wing will allow us to partner in new ways with one of our closest allies, committed to the capabilities the F-35 will bring to both the USAF and its international partners."

Please direct media queries to 48th Fighter Wing Public Affairs at 48fw.pa@us.af.mil.

https://www.lakenheath.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2503538/us-air-force-names-first-overseas-based-f-35a-squadron/fbclid/IwAR0ZNgK9tgBn_rcEMbTGAw6l1tQfPZw7CHsDgy-pE-LoHDaLyxCii-6Oji8/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 17/02/2021 | 16:00 uur
Closer operational ties key to Finnish fighter bid, Sweden says

Saab's proposed Gripen E/F and GlobalEye package for Finland will help Helsinki transform its air-defence capabilities and drive even closer defence links with its Nordic neighbour, Swedish officials have said.

"The defence cooperation between Sweden and Finland is now more ambitious and more extensive than ever... including [at the] political, strategic, operational and tactical level," says Swedish defence minister Peter Hultqvist. "The interoperability between our armed forces is improving day by day. It is clear that we act together, [and] the current acquisition of new fighter aircraft under the HX programme creates far-reaching opportunities for further cooperation and integration."

Speaking during a media presentation on 16 February, Hultqvist said a selection of the Saab package will strengthen what he describes as "a historical new normal in our relationship".

"Geographic and military strategic realities underscore the need for continued and deeper cooperation," he says. "Enabling joint actions in case of crisis when there is a threat of war, or a war, is an important goal. Air defence is a vital part of this."

Hultqvist also points to Stockholm's recently approved defence bill for the 2021-2025 period, which includes a proposed 40% increase in overall spending. Identified requirements include acquiring replacements for the Swedish air force's current two Saab 340 airborne early warning and control system aircraft, and he identifies this need as offering a direct link to the Finnish contest.

"If Finland decides to procure Gripen and GlobalEye, it opens up for a harmonised acquisition and common further development between our countries," he says. "We haven't made any formal decision to procure GlobalEye, but that is how it should be interpreted," Hultqvist adds, noting: "[it] is a Swedish product, very well developed and world-class."

Brigadier General Anders Persson, deputy commander of the Swedish air force, points to existing operational synergies with the service's Finnish counterpart.

"The Gripen is designed for our common environment, our common enemy and with our people in focus," he says. "We have the same threat situation, we have chosen the same tactics, with dispersed basing and conscript [support] services. Working that together could be the force multiplier that is needed to be able to meet an enemy who has more aircraft than we have – we need to be smarter, together."

Persson says that by operating the same fighter type, the nations would also benefit from pooled spares, common logistics and harmonised training.

"More or less we will be together as one air force; a common customer when we meet Saab in discussions for our future development," he says. "And we will together be the biggest [Gripen] customer, instead of being one of the smaller customers with a bigger manufacturer."

Magnus Skogberg, Saab's Gripen campaign director for Finland, says agreements have already been reached with nine companies in the country, and that 20 will be involved in direct industrial participation across more than 50 projects.

To include Insta and Patria, such work would involve parts production and potentially local assembly of aircraft and engines. This would support the development of in-country MRO knowledge, and "strengthen the Finnish defence industrial base", he adds.

"When we work with industry in another country we are not talking about support, repair and overhaul only," says Saab chief executive Micael Johansson. "We are talking about knowledge transfer, technology transfer and working together upgrading the system. There are no black boxes – we will be completely open with the information that we transfer."

Finland has requested that bidders for its €9.4 billion ($11.4 billion) HX requirement submit best and final offers by 30 April, ahead of a selection decision late this year. Helsinki is also assessing the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and Lockheed Martin F-35A as potential replacements for its current F/A-18C/Ds.

The new type should be introduced to service from 2025.

Sweden has ordered 60 Gripen Es, and also plans to continue operations with around 40 of its current C/D-model examples until 2035.

https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/closer-operational-ties-key-to-finnish-fighter-bid-sweden-says/142458.article
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/02/2021 | 08:22 uur
USAF rethinks future fleet, ponders clean-sheet 4.5 generation fighter

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/usaf-rethinks-future-fleet-ponders-clean-sheet-45-generation-fighter/142471.article#.YC4Vd4GJ4mg.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 18/02/2021 | 08:42 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/02/2021 | 08:22 uur
USAF rethinks future fleet, ponders clean-sheet 4.5 generation fighter

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/usaf-rethinks-future-fleet-ponders-clean-sheet-45-generation-fighter/142471.article#.YC4Vd4GJ4mg.twitter

Een compleet nieuwe 4.5 gen fighter jet klinkt natuurlijk helemaal niet slecht maar het is natuurlijk wel een afgang voor de F-35, en de F-22 was ook al geen succesnummer. Als de USAF dit besluit neemt kan dit natuurlijk niet onopgemerkt blijven in de rest van de wereld en kun je er op rekenen dat ook in NL de politiek daar vragen over gaat stellen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/02/2021 | 08:52 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 18/02/2021 | 08:42 uur
Een compleet nieuwe 4.5 gen fighter jet klinkt natuurlijk helemaal niet slecht maar het is natuurlijk wel een afgang voor de F-35, en de F-22 was ook al geen succesnummer. Als de USAF dit besluit neemt kan dit natuurlijk niet onopgemerkt blijven in de rest van de wereld en kun je er op rekenen dat ook in NL de politiek daar vragen over gaat stellen.

Wat ons weer terug brengt in de high-end / low end discussie, als voorbeeld: Zou onze KLu beter af zijn geweest met een  mix van middelen (voorbeeld 2 ssn F35 en 2-3 sqn Gripen E) al zal de conclusie wellicht zijn dat, gezien het geringe aantal, de logistiek staart voor een dergelijke mix onaantrekkelijk is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/02/2021 | 09:02 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/02/2021 | 08:22 uur
USAF rethinks future fleet, ponders clean-sheet 4.5 generation fighter

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/usaf-rethinks-future-fleet-ponders-clean-sheet-45-generation-fighter/142471.article#.YC4Vd4GJ4mg.twitter

jemig..  :omg: 
Waarschijnlijk worden er nieuwe F-16 aangeschaft ! De eerste vlucht van de F16 was in 1974, wanneer zal de laatste zijn ? door de jaren is de F16 natuurlijk wel doorontwikkeld maar het ontwerp zal dus zeker 60+ jaar zijn voordat de F16 geheel zal verdwijnen.

of zullen ze nog F16XL ontwerp overwegen ? ... zou wel gaaf zijn.

Ik denk ook dat er nog wel wat meer F15EX bestel zullen worden, dan de huidige aantal.

en een nieuwe clean sheet fighter gen 4.5 ? ... ik ben benieuwd, misschien kunnen ze dan beter de F-16XL weer oppakken met de laatste nieuwste F-35 "snufjes" en cockpit schermen als bij de F15EX en voorzien van de  F110-GE-129 of  F100-PW-229 motoren (deze zitten ook al in de laatste F-15 en F-16 modellen).   
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/02/2021 | 09:07 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/02/2021 | 08:52 uur
Wat ons weer terug brengt in de high-end / low end discussie, als voorbeeld: Zou onze KLu beter af zijn geweest met een  mix van middelen (voorbeeld 2 ssn F35 en 2-3 sqn Gripen E) al zal de conclusie wellicht zijn dat, gezien het geringe aantal, de logistiek staart voor een dergelijke mix onaantrekkelijk is.

Ja en nee....
Ik zie ons nog wel (in de toekomst) een type ontwikkeling als een (F)T-7A aanschaffen, naast de F-35A 

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 18/02/2021 | 09:08 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/02/2021 | 08:52 uur
Wat ons weer terug brengt in de high-end / low end discussie, als voorbeeld: Zou onze KLu beter af zijn geweest met een  mix van middelen (voorbeeld 2 ssn F35 en 2-3 sqn Gripen E) al zal de conclusie wellicht zijn dat, gezien het geringe aantal, de logistiek staart voor een dergelijke mix onaantrekkelijk is.

Ik denk dat het zelfstandig opzetten van een mixed fleet inderdaad niet aantrekkelijk is op alle vlakken maar als we dit samen doen met een of meerdere partner landen dan is dat op eens wel aantrekkelijk. En je kan natuurlijk voor beide types 1 partnerverbond maken maar je kan ze ook verspreiden over 2 verschillende samenwerkingen. Bijvoorbeeld:

46x F-35 -> 2 operationele Squadrons + training en reserve squadron met de (Europese) F-35 operators
46 / 62x  4.5 gen (combi-jet) -> 2 of 3 operationele Squadrons + training en reserve squadron met de (Europese) operator(s)

Bij de Gripen kan je denken aan bijvoorbeeld samenwerking met de Zweden, Tsjechen en Hongaren. Een ander interessant concept is misschien een gecombineerde jet trainer / light fighter maar dan wel echt voor beide taken ontwikkeld vanaf het begin en niet een door ontwikkeling.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 18/02/2021 | 09:44 uur
Dit is nu eens iets waar je op Europees niveau wat zou kunnen regelen. We zitten hier met een hoop kwalitatieve gen 4.5 toestellen en een paar 100 F-35's. Doe daar iets mee.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/02/2021 | 09:50 uur
Het denken aan de aanschaf van nieuwe F-16's op dit moment is in mijn ogen vergelijkbaar met de aanschaf van nieuwe F-4E's in de jaren 80 naast de dan nieuwe F-15's en F-16's. Moet je dit willen? De USAF doet heel veel onderzoeken en niet elk onderzoek leidt naar een daadwerkelijke aanschaf.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 18/02/2021 | 10:13 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 18/02/2021 | 09:50 uur
Het denken aan de aanschaf van nieuwe F-16's op dit moment is in mijn ogen vergelijkbaar met de aanschaf van nieuwe F-4E's in de jaren 80 naast de dan nieuwe F-15's en F-16's. Moet je dit willen? De USAF doet heel veel onderzoeken en niet elk onderzoek leidt naar een daadwerkelijke aanschaf.

Er zijn wel meer landen die nieuwe F16's afnemen hoor. Die zijn praktisch gelijk aan de F35 qua sensors en mogelijkheden. 

We zitten met huidige voortstuwings technologie gewoon in de max. De kist is maar een aluminium huls..cockpit en raket erin als motor. Zolang we niet sneller gaan vliegen..of hoger of weet ik wat voor mogelijkheden andere voortstuwing brengt, is een F16 opzich prima.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/02/2021 | 10:28 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 18/02/2021 | 10:13 uur
Er zijn wel meer landen die nieuwe F16's afnemen hoor. Die zijn praktisch gelijk aan de F35 qua sensors en mogelijkheden. 

We zitten met huidige voortstuwings technologie gewoon in de max. De kist is maar een aluminium huls..cockpit en raket erin als motor. Zolang we niet sneller gaan vliegen..of hoger of weet ik wat voor mogelijkheden andere voortstuwing brengt, is een F16 opzich prima.

Heb het over de F-16 aanschaf voor USAF. Voor de export worden inderdaad nog steeds nieuwe F-16's gebouwd. Verder is USAF al bezig met het het F-16C/D Service Life Extension Program (SLEP). Diverse hebben inmiddels ook de AESA APG-83 radar gekregen.

In ieder geval wil de USAF zoveel mogelijk F-35A's afnemen en zullen zij er alles aan doen om vast te houden aan die  +/- 1763 stuks.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 18/02/2021 | 13:40 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/02/2021 | 08:52 uur
Wat ons weer terug brengt in de high-end / low end discussie, als voorbeeld: Zou onze KLu beter af zijn geweest met een  mix van middelen (voorbeeld 2 ssn F35 en 2-3 sqn Gripen E) al zal de conclusie wellicht zijn dat, gezien het geringe aantal, de logistiek staart voor een dergelijke mix onaantrekkelijk is.

Aanzich zouden we samen met de Belgen 24 F16V kunnen beheren die de QRA en AA doen daar hoef je nu niet bepaald stealth voor te hebben en het toestel is ook dermate wendbaar dat hij zijn mannetje staat. we zouden dan op elke MOB in NL en B een flight van 6 toestellen kunnen zetten zodat we op elke MOB 2 inzet paren met spare hebben.  Qua infra kost dit bijna niks. We moeten dan alleen af van onze oudere F16 want die zijn op.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Enforcer op 18/02/2021 | 15:01 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/02/2021 | 08:22 uur
USAF rethinks future fleet, ponders clean-sheet 4.5 generation fighter

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/usaf-rethinks-future-fleet-ponders-clean-sheet-45-generation-fighter/142471.article#.YC4Vd4GJ4mg.twitter

Plak gewoon een Boeing badge op een Gripen... :neutral:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 18/02/2021 | 15:04 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 18/02/2021 | 13:40 uur
Aanzich zouden we samen met de Belgen 24 F16V kunnen beheren die de QRA en AA doen daar hoef je nu niet bepaald stealth voor te hebben en het toestel is ook dermate wendbaar dat hij zijn mannetje staat. we zouden dan op elke MOB in NL en B een flight van 6 toestellen kunnen zetten zodat we op elke MOB 2 inzet paren met spare hebben.  Qua infra kost dit bijna niks. We moeten dan alleen af van onze oudere F16 want die zijn op.

Of samenwerken met de Duitsers, Fransen etc die ALLEEN 4th gen hebben?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/02/2021 | 23:04 uur
How it Works: The F-35A Drag Chute System

February 17, 2021

Using a parachute to safely bring personnel, cargo or equipment to the ground is one thing. Using those same basic aerodynamic drag principles to bring a stealthy 5th Gen fighter jet to a jarring halt is another.

A team of engineers from Lockheed Martin and the U.S. and Norwegian government joined forces to develop the critical drag chute capability for the Royal Norwegian Air Force (RNoAF) and now the Royal Danish Air Force, Royal Netherlands Air Force and The Belgian Air Component's F-35As. The drag chute enables operators to safely and effectively land the aircraft on short, icy runways.

Let's take a closer look at the F-35A drag chute system.

How it works:

With the exception of serial numbers and other surface markings, one F-35A tends to look like the next F-35A. However, a small, aerodynamic pod housed on the upper surface between the canted vertical stabilizers distinguishes Norwegian, Danish, Dutch and Belgian F-35As from other F-35s. The system is designed as a wing pylon so that the pod can be installed and removed with minimal time and effort. The pod contains the drag chute system that rapidly decelerates the F-35s after landing on the country's short, icy runways. The pod is specifically designed to minimize effect on radar cross section and ensure the aircraft maintains stealth characteristics while flying.

Akin to the conventional parachute, the F-35 drag chute system is a device used to slow the motion of the F-35A and provide control and stability for pilots. The chute creates aerodynamic drag also known as air resistance. The F-35A drag chute uses the force of wind pushing in the opposite direction of the motion of the aircraft to safely land on short, wet and icy runways.

To deploy the chute, the pilot flips a switch up on the upper left side of the instrument panel. The switch activates hydraulic actuators that open the pod to release a Kevlar parachute. Once the aircraft is slowed sufficiently, the pilot flips the same switch down to release the drag chute as the aircraft comes to a stop.

https://www.f35.com/f35/news-and-features/the-f35a-drag-chute-system.html?utm_source=social&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_campaign=f-35&utm_term=drag&utm_content=chute
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 19/02/2021 | 01:46 uur
en wij doen dit wel en de britten niet omdat..?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 19/02/2021 | 08:52 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 19/02/2021 | 01:46 uur
en wij doen dit wel en de britten niet omdat..?
Omdat de Britten nu (nog) alleen met de F-35B vliegen. De chute is alleen geintegreerd op de F-35A.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 19/02/2021 | 20:44 uur
Turkey hires U.S. lobbying firm to return to F-35 jet programme

ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkey has hired a Washington-based law firm to lobby for its readmission to the U.S. F-35 fighter jet programme after it was suspended over its purchase of Russian air defences, a contract filed with the U.S. Department of Justice showed.

Reuters, 19-02-2021

Het volledige (https://www.reuters.com/article/turkey-usa-sanctions/turkey-hires-us-lobbying-firm-to-return-to-f-35-jet-programme-idUSL8N2KP29S) artikel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 19/02/2021 | 20:48 uur
 :cute-smile: Kruipende turken. Even bukken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/02/2021 | 22:59 uur
Croatia has shown interest in F-35 jets, Lockheed executive says

AEROSPACE AND DEFENSE FEBRUARY 19, 20218:07 PM UPDATED 3 HOURS AGO

By Mike Stone

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Lockheed Martin co, the United States' largest weapons maker, has fielded interest from Croatia regarding the purchase of stealthy F-35 jets, a Lockheed executive said on Friday.

Greg Ulmer, the executive vice president of Lockheed's Aeronautics unit, told reporters, "they've shown interest" in buying the jets, which are a big part of Lockheed's revenue.

Croatia is evaluating U.S., French and Swedish offers for fighter jets as it looks to modernize its air force, which now flies Russian-made MiG-21 jets dating from its past within the former Yugoslavia.

Croatia wanted to buy 12 used F-16 fighter jets from Israel, but it fell through after Israel said here in 2019 it could not get approval from the United States for the sale.

Other international customers for the fifth-generation F-35 include Canada, Finland, and Switzerland, which are running competitions for a future jet purchase. Additional customer prospects for Lockheed's F-35 include Greece, Spain, Eastern European and Middle Eastern countries, Ulmer said in a media conference call.

Lockheed has also seen international interest for as many as 300 of its fourth-generation F-16 fighter jets on top of the current production backlog of 128 jets, Ulmer said.

Reporting by Mike Stone in Washington, D.C.; Editing by Dan Grebler

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2AJ297
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 20/02/2021 | 10:17 uur
Citaat van: Lex op 19/02/2021 | 20:44 uur
Turkey hires U.S. lobbying firm to return to F-35 jet programme

ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkey has hired a Washington-based law firm to lobby for its readmission to the U.S. F-35 fighter jet programme after it was suspended over its purchase of Russian air defences, a contract filed with the U.S. Department of Justice showed.

Reuters, 19-02-2021

Het volledige (https://www.reuters.com/article/turkey-usa-sanctions/turkey-hires-us-lobbying-firm-to-return-to-f-35-jet-programme-idUSL8N2KP29S) artikel.

Naar volk die Turken. Sorry dat ik het zeg, maar omgekeerde wereld spelen zijn ze wel goed in.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/02/2021 | 22:55 uur
Steady F-35 Price Reductions Likely at an End

https://www.airforcemag.com/steady-f-35-price-reductions-likely-at-an-end/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/02/2021 | 10:47 uur
American F-35 fighter aircraft will get new super engine

https://www.defenceaviationpost.com/?p=53609 via @defencepost
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 24/02/2021 | 08:41 uur
Lockheed Martin confident F-35 operating cost will be reduced to $25,000 per hour

The company is under pressure to deliver improvements to the aircraft's reliability and operating costs as the jet's leading customer, the US Air Force, considers cheaper alternatives such as the Lockheed Martin F-16 fighter or a clean-sheet 4.5-generation combat aircraft.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/lockheed-martin-confident-f-35-operating-cost-will-be-reduced-to-25000-per-hour/142577.article
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 24/02/2021 | 08:45 uur
Air Force to begin assembly of airborne laser

The Air Force Research Laboratory is set to receive the first major assembly of one subsystem needed for its airborne laser, although it's pushed back the first test to fiscal 2024.

The Self-Protect High Energy Laser Demonstrator (SHiELD) Advanced Technology Demonstration Program's goal is to build a laser weapon that can be installed on fighter jets to take out incoming missiles. The weapons system includes the laser under development by Lockheed Martin, a beam control system being developed by Northrop Grumman, and a pod to encase it all made by Boeing. Lockheed Martin was awarded a $26.3 million contract to design and build the laser.

.../...

https://www.c4isrnet.com/battlefield-tech/2021/02/23/air-force-to-begin-assembly-of-airborne-laser/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/02/2021 | 09:49 uur
Lockheed, Government Negotiating New 'Skinny' F-35 Sustainment Deal

https://www.airforcemag.com/lockheed-government-negotiating-new-skinny-f-35-sustainment-deal/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: IPA35 op 24/02/2021 | 14:50 uur
The U.S. Air Force Just Admitted The F-35 Stealth Fighter Has Failed

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/02/23/the-us-air-force-just-admitted-the-f-35-stealth-fighter-has-failed/?sh=49facb481b16
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/02/2021 | 14:55 uur
Citaat van: Forbes op 24/02/2021 | 14:50 uur
The U.S. Air Force Just Admitted The F-35 Stealth Fighter Has Failed

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/02/23/the-us-air-force-just-admitted-the-f-35-stealth-fighter-has-failed/?sh=49facb481b16

Toch knap hoe David Axe, Forbes en andere onderstaand artikel uit z'n verband weten te trekken. Nergens staat dat de F-35 heeft gefaald.

https://www.airforcemag.com/brown-launching-major-tacair-study-with-cape-considering-5th-gen-minus/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/02/2021 | 09:53 uur
The First F-15EX Fighter Jet Has Now Flown In Its Air Force Colors

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39413/the-first-f-15ex-fighter-jet-has-now-flown-in-its-air-force-colors

Klik op foto voor vergroting.
(https://www.thedrive.com/content/2021/02/TOPSHOT-F-15EX-USAF.jpg?quality=85&width=1440&quality=70)
Viking Aero Images
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/02/2021 | 09:07 uur
F-35 Still the 'Cornerstone' Fighter, Top Air Force General Says 

https://www.defenseone.com/business/2021/02/f-35-still-cornerstone-fighter-top-air-force-general-says/172318/ via @DefenseOne
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/02/2021 | 12:04 uur
@3rdmaw (3rd Marine Aircraft Wing)

CitaatWelcome Home, Death Rattlers
Marines of VMFA-323 return home after a 10-month deployment to the Middle East, the last F/A-18 carrier deployment in Marine Corps history. Following this homecoming, VMFA-323 will transition to employ the F-35 Lightning II.

Filmpje is te zien via onderstaande link. Einde Hornet gebruik op vliegkampschepen.

https://twitter.com/3rdmaw/status/1365093465206362114
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/03/2021 | 10:28 uur
@theF35JPO (25-02-2021)

CitaatThe Argonauts in Action ⚓ ⚡

F-35Cs, with Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 147, perform flight operations from the @USNavy aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (@CVN70). VFA-147 is the Navy's first operational #F35C squadron. #SeaLightning

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvFUiAQXMAgLOld?format=jpg&name=360x360)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvFUiAPXEAsuipL?format=jpg&name=360x360)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvFUiAOXYAMT8u5?format=jpg&name=360x360)

https://twitter.com/theF35JPO/status/1364968929442091010
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/03/2021 | 10:55 uur
Reports of the 'Failure' of the F-35 are Premature and Exaggerated

https://rusi.org/publication/rusi-defence-systems/reports-%E2%80%98failure%E2%80%99-f-35-are-premature-and-exaggerated
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/03/2021 | 10:07 uur
Admiral Praises Marine Corps' Last Hornet Carrier Deployment

https://seapowermagazine.org/admiral-praises-marine-corps-last-hornet-carrier-deployment/

(https://seapowermagazine.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Death-Rattlers-1024x521.jpg)
An F/A-18C Hornet, from the "Death Rattlers" of Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 323, makes an arrested landing on the flight deck of the USS Nimitz (CVN 68). Nimitz, flagship of Nimitz Carrier Strike Group, is currently conducting routine operations in U.S. 3rd Fleet. U.S. Navy / Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Charles DeParlier
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/03/2021 | 22:46 uur
South Korea confirms first KF-X prototype to be rolled out in April

02 MARCH 2021

by Gabriel Dominguez & Dae Young Kim

South Korea's Defence Acquisition Programme Administration (DAPA) announced on 1 March that assembly of the first prototype of the Korean Fighter eXperimental (KF-X) fighter aircraft is almost complete, with manufacturer Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) set to formally roll out the platform in April.

(https://www.janes.com/images/default-source/news-images/fg_3909912-jdw-10868.jpg?sfvrsn=35ecebb4_2)
South Korea's DAPA announced on 1 March that assembly work on the first KF-X fighter prototype is almost complete, adding that the aircraft will be formally rolled out in April. Two more prototypes are currently being assembled at the plant. (DAPA)

Jung Kwang-sun, head of the KF-X programme at DAPA, said the planned rollout event of the twin-engined multirole fighter will be a "landmark moment" for the country and the aerospace industry. "After working only with the blueprint so far, we will now have something we can actually see and test whether what we have been studying actually works," Jung was quoted by the Yonhap News Agency as saying at KAI headquarters in Sacheon, South Gyeongsang Province.

The KRW8.8 trillion (USD7.8 billion) KF-X fighter project is meant to provide a replacement for the Republic of Korea Air Force's (RoKAF's) fleet of F-4D/E Phantom II and F-5E/F Tiger II combat aircraft. Development of the KF-X began in 2015 and is expected to be completed by 2026, with the RoKAF set to acquire 40 units by 2028 and another 80 units by 2032, according to Yonhap.

Images released by DAPA show the first prototype has already been fitted with the F414-GE-400K engines provided by US manufacturer General Electric (GE) Aviation. The prototype, which will be painted in dark grey prior to the rollout event, is expected to make its maiden flight in 2022.

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/south-korea-confirms-first-kf-x-prototype-to-be-rolled-out-in-april
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/03/2021 | 23:05 uur
Denmark's New Fighter Decorated with Dannebrog at the Tail

March 01, 2021

Another significant step has been taken towards receiving Denmark's future fighters. It happened in the USA, when the first Danish F-35 fighter was painted with Dannebrog on the tail fin, round cockades on wings and frame and especially the complex and grayish painting as the base color.

There is not much time until the Armed Forces' new F-35 fighter aircraft flies for the first time. Before then, the fighter with the nickname L-001 had to go through an advanced painting process.

Using modern robot technology and automated processes, the L-001 was first painted with the greyish color, making it easier for the aircraft to blend with the hazy background. It is a longer process that extends over about four weeks because several layers need to be painted and each layer needs to be 100 percent smooth and without the slightest impurity.

Shortly after the greyish base color has hardened, the state-of-the-art F-35 fighter aircraft was decorated with the Dannebrog flag and the cockades which the Air Force Command has chosen all Danish F-35 fighter aircraft must be painted with. Chief of Staff of the Danish Air Command, Jan Dam, has previously described that this choice was made based on two considerations. Partly from a desire to let the planes be easily recognizable when they are on the runway together with F-35s from other countries, and partly to mark that the fighters are not just new fighters of The Danish Armed Forces or The Royal Danish Airforce, but they are the benefit and protection of the whole Denmark.

In-depth Tests Before Flight
The L-001 will now go through a series of comprehensive tests to ensure that all systems in the aircraft function properly. Among other things, it covers a wide range of software tests, where all the aircraft's mechanical and electronic systems are tested.

Finally, four test flights are completed with the aircraft. The first two are conducted by test pilots from Lockheed Martin, who produced the aircraft. The two last tests flights are carried out by test pilots from the United States Armed Forces in connection with the transfer of the aircraft from Lockheed Martin to the Danish F-35 program.

Click here to read the rest of the story from the Danish Armed Forces.
https://forsvaret.dk/da/nyheder/2021/se-billederne--danmarks-nye-kampfly-udsmykket-med-dannebrog-pa-halen/

Klik op foto voor vergroting.
(https://forsvaret.dk/globalassets/fko---forsvaret/billeder/billeder-til-nyheder/artikel/2021/03_marts/-webfp20-08147-0183pr-2021-artikel.jpg)

https://www.f35.com/f35/news-and-features/denmarks-new-fighter-decorated-with-dannebrog-at-the-tail.html?utm_source=social&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=f-35&utm_term=denmark&utm_content=l001
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 02/03/2021 | 23:43 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 02/03/2021 | 22:46 uur
South Korea confirms first KF-X prototype to be rolled out in April

02 MARCH 2021

by Gabriel Dominguez & Dae Young Kim

South Korea's Defence Acquisition Programme Administration (DAPA) announced on 1 March that assembly of the first prototype of the Korean Fighter eXperimental (KF-X) fighter aircraft is almost complete, with manufacturer Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) set to formally roll out the platform in April.

(https://www.janes.com/images/default-source/news-images/fg_3909912-jdw-10868.jpg?sfvrsn=35ecebb4_2)
South Korea's DAPA announced on 1 March that assembly work on the first KF-X fighter prototype is almost complete, adding that the aircraft will be formally rolled out in April. Two more prototypes are currently being assembled at the plant. (DAPA)

Jung Kwang-sun, head of the KF-X programme at DAPA, said the planned rollout event of the twin-engined multirole fighter will be a "landmark moment" for the country and the aerospace industry. "After working only with the blueprint so far, we will now have something we can actually see and test whether what we have been studying actually works," Jung was quoted by the Yonhap News Agency as saying at KAI headquarters in Sacheon, South Gyeongsang Province.

The KRW8.8 trillion (USD7.8 billion) KF-X fighter project is meant to provide a replacement for the Republic of Korea Air Force's (RoKAF's) fleet of F-4D/E Phantom II and F-5E/F Tiger II combat aircraft. Development of the KF-X began in 2015 and is expected to be completed by 2026, with the RoKAF set to acquire 40 units by 2028 and another 80 units by 2032, according to Yonhap.

Images released by DAPA show the first prototype has already been fitted with the F414-GE-400K engines provided by US manufacturer General Electric (GE) Aviation. The prototype, which will be painted in dark grey prior to the rollout event, is expected to make its maiden flight in 2022.

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/south-korea-confirms-first-kf-x-prototype-to-be-rolled-out-in-april

Hoe kan dit eigelijk? Het argument van de gedeelde ontwikkeling F35 was voornamelijk gebaseerd op het feit dat de VS dit niet meer alleen (financieel)  kon bolwerken.

Nu is een land zonder enige normenswaardige luchtvaartindustrie die te vergelijken is met lockheed en Boeing  gelukt een complex wapensysteem te maken zonder noemenswaardige partnering op enkele kritieke systemen zoals motoren na.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 03/03/2021 | 08:42 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 02/03/2021 | 23:43 uur
Hoe kan dit eigelijk?

Achteraan zitten er scharniertjes waardoor de canopy op en neer kan gaan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 03/03/2021 | 10:03 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 03/03/2021 | 08:42 uur
Achteraan zitten er scharniertjes waardoor de canopy op en neer kan gaan.

Nu maar hopen dat de Belgen geen vierkante wielen gaan gebruiken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 03/03/2021 | 10:04 uur
Wel knap dat de Koreanen nagenoeg zelfstandig een toestel ontwikkelen en bouwen. Hopelijk presteert het toestel ook nog eens goed.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 03/03/2021 | 10:07 uur
Citaat van: Zander op 03/03/2021 | 10:04 uur
Wel knap dat de Koreanen nagenoeg zelfstandig een toestel ontwikkelen en bouwen. Hopelijk presteert het toestel ook nog eens goed.

Exact, dat zeg ik. Het hele argument van de gedeelde samenwerking in ontwikkeling F35 was dat dit niet zelf meer (financieel)  door de Amerikanen te behappen was. Anders hadden ze het wel zelf gedaan..

Zie hier de koreanen die naast hun telefoons en tandenborstel industrie even een 5e gen gevechtstoestel uitpoepen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/03/2021 | 10:36 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 03/03/2021 | 10:07 uur
Exact, dat zeg ik. Het hele argument van de gedeelde samenwerking in ontwikkeling F35 was dat dit niet zelf meer (financieel)  door de Amerikanen te behappen was. Anders hadden ze het wel zelf gedaan..

Zie hier de koreanen die naast hun telefoons en tandenborstel industrie even een 5e gen gevechtstoestel uitpoepen.

Kleine correctie: dit wordt gezien (als ik me niet vergis) als een 4.5. generatie.

Het tempo is zeker interessant, al schijnt de VS al verrassend ver te zijn met NGAD, hun 6e generatie (what's in a name)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/03/2021 | 10:55 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/03/2021 | 10:36 uur
Kleine correctie: dit wordt gezien (als ik me niet vergis) als een 4.5. generatie.

Het tempo is zeker interessant, al schijnt de VS al verrassend ver te zijn met NGAD, hun 6e generatie (what's in a name)

Types die tot de 4.5 generatie worden gerekend zijn o.a. de Rafale, Super Hornet en Typhoon. De KF-X gaat weer een stapje verder. De Zuid-Koreanen kunnen veel zelf, maar moeten ook in het buitenland flink shoppen (motoren, bewapening etc.). En dan is het nog de vraag of Indonesië wel of niet mee blijft doen met de KF-X.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 03/03/2021 | 10:57 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 03/03/2021 | 10:07 uur
Exact, dat zeg ik. Het hele argument van de gedeelde samenwerking in ontwikkeling F35 was dat dit niet zelf meer (financieel)  door de Amerikanen te behappen was. Anders hadden ze het wel zelf gedaan..

Zie hier de koreanen die naast hun telefoons en tandenborstel industrie even een 5e gen gevechtstoestel uitpoepen.

Vergeet de K2 tank niet. Noren evalueren deze als vervanger voor de oude Leo2. Ze hebben de K9 al.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 03/03/2021 | 11:07 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 03/03/2021 | 10:55 uur
Types die tot de 4.5 generatie worden gerekend zijn o.a. de Rafale, Super Hornet en Typhoon. De KF-X gaat weer een stapje verder. De Zuid-Koreanen kunnen veel zelf, maar moeten ook in het buitenland flink shoppen (motoren, bewapening etc.). En dan is het nog de vraag of Indonesië wel of niet mee blijft doen met de KF-X.

Dat doet er niet veel aan af. De kosten zitten hem in het afleveren van een luchtwaardig en relevant militair wapensysteem. De R&D die daarin gaat zitten is giga. Er zijn maar een paar motorproducenten op aarde, evenals andere kritieke systemen. Het is bizar dat de koreanen doen wat de Amerikanen niet aanwilden.

Ik begin steeds meer te vermoeden dat de F35 een flop wordt, of heel wat eenvoudiger had gekund. Als de koreanen dit kunnen
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/03/2021 | 11:22 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 03/03/2021 | 11:07 uur
Dat doet er niet veel aan af. De kosten zitten hem in het afleveren van een luchtwaardig en relevant militair wapensysteem. De R&D die daarin gaat zitten is giga. Er zijn maar een paar motorproducenten op aarde, evenals andere kritieke systemen. Het is bizar dat de koreanen doen wat de Amerikanen niet aanwilden.

Ik begin steeds meer te vermoeden dat de F35 een flop wordt, of heel wat eenvoudiger had gekund. Als de koreanen dit kunnen

Het is de bedoeling dat de KF-X uiteindelijk over interne wapenruimtes zal gaan beschikken. Eerst wordt er getest met uitsluitend externe bewapening. Verder is het van belang dat Indonesië partner en afnemer blijft. Slechts 120 stuks voor alleen Zuid-Korea als totaal maakt het allemaal niet goedkoper.

Als het F-35 programma daadwerkelijk een flop zou worden, dan zou dat nu duidelijk moeten zijn. Alles is eigenlijk al te ver heen om het finaal fout te laten lopen. Daarvoor zijn er inmiddels teveel deelnemende partijen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/03/2021 | 11:48 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 03/03/2021 | 11:22 uur
Als het F-35 programma daadwerkelijk een flop zou worden, dan zou dat nu duidelijk moeten zijn. Alles is eigenlijk al te ver heen om het finaal fout te laten lopen. Daarvoor zijn er inmiddels teveel deelnemende partijen.

Ik denk zeker niet dat de F35 familie een flop is, het lijkt er eerder op dat de Amerikanen aan het lobbyen zijn voor snellere en aanvullende fondsen voor hun NGAD en een eventuele minder prestigieuze  aanvullen kist in een high end/low end mix.

De F22A moet immers met pensioen en de voorsprong op de Russen en de Chinezen (high end) wordt kleiner.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/03/2021 | 12:10 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/03/2021 | 11:48 uur
Ik denk zeker niet dat de F35 familie een flop is, het lijkt er eerder op dat de Amerikanen aan het lobbyen zijn voor snellere en aanvullende fondsen voor hun NGAD en een eventuele minder prestigieuze  aanvullen kist in een high end/low end mix.

De USAF lobbyt niet alleen voor de NGAD, maar ook op allerlei manieren voor de F-35. Zij proberen LM te bewegen naar een lager CPFH e.d. Soms gaat dat goed en soms minder. Wat generaal Brown vorige maand verklaarde werd door sommigen onterecht gezien als de onthulling dat de F-35 een flop is. De F-35 was in principe al de low in de high/low mix en natuurlijk verdient het JSF programma niet de schoonheidsprijs. Maar gedane zaken nemen geen keer en achteraf kijk je een koe in d'r kont. De studie naar een alternatief voor bepaalde taken kan maar hoeft niet realiteit te worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 03/03/2021 | 13:17 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 03/03/2021 | 11:22 uur
Het is de bedoeling dat de KF-X uiteindelijk over interne wapenruimtes zal gaan beschikken. Eerst wordt er getest met uitsluitend externe bewapening. Verder is het van belang dat Indonesië partner en afnemer blijft. Slechts 120 stuks voor alleen Zuid-Korea als totaal maakt het allemaal niet goedkoper.
Nou, tot zover is dat apparaat goedkoper dan de F35 hoor.
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Als het F-35 programma daadwerkelijk een flop zou worden, dan zou dat nu duidelijk moeten zijn.
nee hoor. Kosten zijn pas hoog of laag als je het risico wat je ermee afdekt in kaart hebt gebracht en daarvoor een bepaalde hoeveelheid geld/tijd en capaciteit afzet. Met zo'n industrie en complexe organisatie is dat makkelijk te verbergen. Een militaire capaciteit is niet snel uit te drukken in kosten qua geld.

CitaatAlles is eigenlijk al te ver heen om het finaal fout te laten lopen. Daarvoor zijn er inmiddels teveel deelnemende partijen.
in tegendeel... de F35 staat pas aan het begin. Over tien jaar kunnen we er wellicht iets zinnigs van zeggen. Tot op heden weet ik dat CLAS en CZSK ervoor hebben mogen bloeden en ik hou mijn hart vast voor de Belgen.

Het probleem zit hem ten eerste in het feit dat het JSF platform ontwikkeld is voor 3 verschillende toepassingen welke gigantische gevolgen hebben gehad in ontwerp en kosten. Zo leidde implementatie van STOVL capaciteit in basisontwerp weer tot gevolgen voor de andere varianten. En vice versa.

Ten tweede wordt het systeem nu ingehaald door de ontwikkelingen van AI en drones. Het hele voordeel is connectiviteit en data verwerking. Doctrines worden nu om de F35 heen geschreven (voor landen met enkelvoudig  lucht wapensysteem; de F35) terwijl die drones (loyal wingman) eigelijk ook met een minder duur maar meer dedicated systeem kunnen worden afgedaan.

Over tien jaar is een piloot in een jager een handicap.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Nikehercules op 03/03/2021 | 17:58 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 03/03/2021 | 11:07 uur
Als de koreanen dit kunnen

Als de Koreanen wat kunnen? Een vliegtuig met een fancy uiterlijk ontwerpen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 03/03/2021 | 20:09 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 03/03/2021 | 10:07 uur
Zie hier de koreanen die naast hun telefoons en tandenborstel industrie even een 5e gen gevechtstoestel uitpoepen.

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 03/03/2021 | 11:07 uur
Als de koreanen dit kunnen

Kijk eens wat de Russen en de Iranezen kunnen!

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Normaal ben je ook niet zo goedgelovig.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 03/03/2021 | 20:34 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 03/03/2021 | 10:07 uur
Exact, dat zeg ik. Het hele argument van de gedeelde samenwerking in ontwikkeling F35 was dat dit niet zelf meer (financieel)  door de Amerikanen te behappen was. Anders hadden ze het wel zelf gedaan..

Onzin. De veel duurdere F22 hebben ze compleet zelf gefinancierd. En dat toestel wordt ook niet geexporteerd.

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in tegendeel... de F35 staat pas aan het begin. Over tien jaar kunnen we er wellicht iets zinnigs van zeggen. Tot op heden weet ik dat CLAS en CZSK ervoor hebben mogen bloeden en ik hou mijn hart vast voor de Belgen.

Straks mogen de KL en Klu bloeden voor een shitload aan schepen en onderzeeërs... Zo is er altijd wel wat. Maar goed, daar is die club van jou ook debet aan. En dat is wat je krijgt als de investeringen op de lange baan geschoven worden, dan wordt er een boeggolf gecreeerd van heb ik jou daar.

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Het probleem zit hem ten eerste in het feit dat het JSF platform ontwikkeld is voor 3 verschillende toepassingen welke gigantische gevolgen hebben gehad in ontwerp en kosten. Zo leidde implementatie van STOVL capaciteit in basisontwerp weer tot gevolgen voor de andere varianten. En vice versa.

Ten tweede wordt het systeem nu ingehaald door de ontwikkelingen van AI en drones. Het hele voordeel is connectiviteit en data verwerking. Doctrines worden nu om de F35 heen geschreven (voor landen met enkelvoudig  lucht wapensysteem; de F35) terwijl die drones (loyal wingman) eigelijk ook met een minder duur maar meer dedicated systeem kunnen worden afgedaan.

Over tien jaar is een piloot in een jager een handicap.

Dat zal de tijd wel leren, voorlopig is het voor een drone/ AI of whatever onmogelijk om in een non-permissive omgeving te opereren tegen een near-peer opponent.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Nikehercules op 03/03/2021 | 21:48 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 03/03/2021 | 20:09 uur
Kijk eens wat de Russen en de Iranezen kunnen!

Normaal ben je ook niet zo goedgelovig.

Exact dit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 03/03/2021 | 23:25 uur
Ik reageer morgen, als ik tijd heb als ik tijd heb als ik aan het werk ben. Ambtenaar he.  8)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/03/2021 | 10:09 uur
Strike Eagle proven capable of carrying 15 JDAMs on single sortie

By 1st Lt. Savanah Bray, 53rd Wing / Published March 02, 2021

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The 85th Test and Evaluation Squadron successfully flew an F-15E Strike Eagle carrying six JDAMs on a single side of the aircraft on Feb 22, 2021, showcasing a proof of concept for Agile Combat Employment, known as "ACE."

EGLIN AIR FORCE BASE, Fla. -- The 85th Test and Evaluation Squadron successfully flew an F-15E Strike Eagle carrying six JDAMs on a single side of the aircraft on Feb 22, 2021, showcasing a proof of concept for Agile Combat Employment, known as "ACE."

"Currently the F-15E is authorized to carry a max of nine JDAMs, but the success of this test expands that to 15 JDAMs," said Maj. Andrew Swanson, F-15E Weapons System Officer, 85th TES.

"Strike Eagle can now carry enough JDAMs for an active combat mission, land at a remote location, and reload itself and/or another aircraft – such as an F-35 or F-22 – for additional combat sorties," said Lt. Col. Jacob Lindaman, commander, 85th TES.

While not all the JDAMs carried can be employed in a single mission, this proves the Strike Eagle's ability to ferry JDAMs while simultaneously releasing them on an active combat mission – a key component to the ACE model. The combat tactic of reloading in a remote location previously took two C-130s to carry the necessary munitions and personnel.  Once at the location, the JDAMs had to be assembled, taking extra time.  The additional carriage on the F-15E allows fully assembled JDAMs to be transported, reducing the requirement to just one C-130 and saving eliminating onsite bomb building.

Coupling this capability with integrated combat turns increases operations tempo, getting armed fighters back in to the fight even faster, explained Lindaman.

Swanson, the director for this test, shared that establishing this new tactic filled a CAF request that originated at an annual Weapons and Tactics Conference and could be employed in theater in as little as one month.

While the 85th Test and Evaluation Squadron is ensuring the readiness and lethality of the Strike Eagle's tactics, operational units recently practiced the ACE model at Agile Flag 21-1.

For more information, contact 1st Lt Savanah Bray, Public Affairs Advisor for the 53rd Wing at 850-598-3283 or savanah.bray@us.af.mil.

The 53rd Wing provides tactical advantage to the warfighter at the speed of relevance. By testing new, operational capabilities, evaluating fielded capabilities, and optimizing electronic warfare capabilities, the 53rd Wing is bringing the future faster while answering the warfighter's demands for integrated, multi-domain capabilities.

https://www.53rdwing.af.mil/News/Article/2520577/strike-eagle-proven-capable-of-carrying-15-jdams-on-single-sortie/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 04/03/2021 | 21:00 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 03/03/2021 | 20:34 uur
Onzin. De veel duurdere F22 hebben ze compleet zelf gefinancierd. En dat toestel wordt ook niet geexporteerd.
Ik heb dat niet zelf verzonnen, ik heb daarnaast ook niet het idee dat het zin heeft je te overtuigen. Ook de F-22 was voor de Amerikanen te duur.
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Straks mogen de KL en Klu bloeden voor een shitload aan schepen en onderzeeërs... Zo is er altijd wel wat. Maar goed, daar is die club van jou ook debet aan. En dat is wat je krijgt als de investeringen op de lange baan geschoven worden, dan wordt er een boeggolf gecreeerd van heb ik jou daar.
Ik zie dit anders, de onderzeeers én schepen worden 1 op 1 vervangen waarbij er geen sprake is van een project wat zo buiten begrootte kosten loopt dat het alsmaar ruimere budgettaire kaders nodig heeft, ten koste van andere KMD's.

En de veranderende tijdspaden van projecten en aanbestedingen, daar heeft DMO niets mee te maken. Dat is een politieke beslissing.
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Dat zal de tijd wel leren, voorlopig is het voor een drone/ AI of whatever onmogelijk om in een non-permissive omgeving te opereren tegen een near-peer opponent.
ik denk dat we niet goed weten wat een drone van een near-peer-com wel of niet precies kan. Met name die van de Amerikanen. Ik denk dat op dit moment zowel de Chinezen als de Amerikanen wapensystemen hebben op dit vlak met doctrines die we nog niet kennen, en nog niet zijn ingezet.

Daarbij is de prognose dat over 10 jaar de piloot de beperking vormt. Dit heb ik zelf ook niet bedacht.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 04/03/2021 | 21:41 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 04/03/2021 | 21:00 uur
Ik heb dat niet zelf verzonnen, ik heb daarnaast ook niet het idee dat het zin heeft je te overtuigen. Ook de F-22 was voor de Amerikanen te duur. 

Klopt. Maar dat ze van de F35 vanwege de kosten een exportproduct gemaakt hebben is natuurlijk niet waar. Ieder land kan zich voor een bepaald bedrag inkopen en als je weinig wil bieden krijg je "minder" vliegtuig. Zo simpel is het gewoon. Het is gewoon als exportproduct op de markt gekomen omdat de Amerikanen er aan willen verdienen.

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Ik zie dit anders, de onderzeeers én schepen worden 1 op 1 vervangen waarbij er geen sprake is van een project wat zo buiten begrootte kosten loopt dat het alsmaar ruimere budgettaire kaders nodig heeft, ten koste van andere KMD's.

De boeggolf van de KM moet nog komen, wees maar niet bang, vanaf 2024 gaat de KM de boventoon voeren en omgeveer vanaf 2032 gaat het nog een keer steil omhoog en zit de rest te minimizen.

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En de veranderende tijdspaden van projecten en aanbestedingen, daar heeft DMO niets mee te maken. Dat is een politieke beslissing.

Klopt, maar dat neemt niet weg dat DMO ook een stevig deuntje meespeelt vwb vervangingsprojecten.

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ik denk dat we niet goed weten wat een drone van een near-peer-com wel of niet precies kan. Met name die van de Amerikanen. Ik denk dat op dit moment zowel de Chinezen als de Amerikanen wapensystemen hebben op dit vlak met doctrines die we nog niet kennen, en nog niet zijn ingezet.

Mwoah, ik denk dat we dat wel redelijk in kaart hebben hoor.

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Daarbij is de prognose dat over 10 jaar de piloot de beperking vormt. Dit heb ik zelf ook niet bedacht.

De piloot is altijd al de beperkende factor geweest. Maar dat neemt niet weg dat deze zomaar uit te faseren is. Je moet niet vergeten dat als je tegenover een serieuze tegenstander staat dat je techniek wel eens beperkt inzetbaar kan zijn vanwege allerlei externe jamming, platgelegde nuts voorzieningen  en kritieke infra etc.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 04/03/2021 | 22:55 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 04/03/2021 | 21:41 uur
Klopt. Maar dat ze van de F35 vanwege de kosten een exportproduct gemaakt hebben is natuurlijk niet waar. Ieder land kan zich voor een bepaald bedrag inkopen en als je weinig wil bieden krijg je "minder" vliegtuig. Zo simpel is het gewoon. Het is gewoon als exportproduct op de markt gekomen omdat de Amerikanen er aan willen verdienen.
Ik weet niet hoe je aan dit idee komt, maar als je me ergens ziet zeggen dat de F-35 een exportproduct is geworden omdat de kosten te hoog opgelopen zijn zie ik deze quote graag terug. De Amerikanen wilden een nieuw superieur all round toestel, en het was hun eigen overtuiging dat ze daar al hun bondgenoten voor nodig hadden. Daar is de hele tender op geschreven, daar haakte iedereen op aan. Het export idee stond vanaf het idee vast. Als de Amerikanen vanaf moment 1 hadden gedacht zelf een betaalbaar product te kunnen maken wat exact zou aansluiten op hun eigen behoeften, hadden ze dat wel gedaan. Amerikanen hebben de rest namelijk nog nooit nodig gehad als ze echt wat wilden, of dit nu nucleaire kruisraketten, tanks, of onderzeeërs betrof. De F-22 was de doodsteek en het was hun eigen opvatting dat zo'n geintje nooit meer kon worden herhaald, dat is wat ik zei.
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De boeggolf van de KM moet nog komen, wees maar niet bang, vanaf 2024 gaat de KM de boventoon voeren en omgeveer vanaf 2032 gaat het nog een keer steil omhoog en zit de rest te minimizen.

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Tja... dus? Dat is een politieke keus geweest, niet die van mij, DMO of het CZSK.
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Klopt, maar dat neemt niet weg dat DMO ook een stevig deuntje meespeelt vwb vervangingsprojecten.
vertel... Ik ben benieuwd. 
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Mwoah, ik denk dat we dat wel redelijk in kaart hebben hoor.
Nou, dat hebben we hoogstwaarschijnlijk niet. Heeft met name te maken met nogal wat ethische lastige vraagstukken waar niemand zich over dient te buigen als het niet 'bestaat'.

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De piloot is altijd al de beperkende factor geweest. Maar dat neemt niet weg dat deze zomaar uit te faseren is. Je moet niet vergeten dat als je tegenover een serieuze tegenstander staat dat je techniek wel eens beperkt inzetbaar kan zijn vanwege allerlei externe jamming, platgelegde nuts voorzieningen  en kritieke infra etc.
externe jamming is alleen relevant wanneer je een systeem niet autonoom kan en durft te laten opereren. En de piloot is nooit eerder de beperkende factor geweest, het was simpelweg technisch niet mogelijk het voordeel in 90% van de gevechtssituaties te behalen zonder menselijk inzicht en 'precisie', beiden zaken zijn over 10 jaar minder relevant. Dit is nogmaals niet mijn eigen opvatting, maar deze deel ik wel. Dit betekent niet dat over 10 jaar allle vliegtuigen zelf vliegen, maar wel dat het mogelijk is. We zitten enkel vast aan generatie cycli die productie van wapensystemen opdelen in generaties, zo zit nu niemand te wachten op een nieuwe productie van systemen omdat dat markt technisch niet uitkomt. Maar indien we het zouden willen is er over 10 jaar een volledig autonome machine die zelf beslist over het hoe en wat. Het enige obstakel is ethiek. Ik denk dat we nog even vastzitten aan mensen, puur omdat we geen afnemers kunnen vinden voor toestellen die zelfstandig opereren. De Chinezen en Israëliërs zullen de eersten zijn die ons daar mee zullen gaan verassen, is de verwachting : ) .
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 04/03/2021 | 23:11 uur
Ook hier kom ik morgen op terug.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Nikehercules op 05/03/2021 | 01:18 uur
Gezien hethoge off-topic gehalte in "Toekomst lunabev manoeuvre eenheden" plaats ik hem hier ff.

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 04/03/2021 | 23:54 uur
Helemaal fijn, maar inhoudelijk weet je nogmaals niks zinnigs te zeggen over de koreaan.

Dat jij factoren als toegang tot tactieken, procedures en inlichtingen kennenlijk bestempeld als niet inhoudelijk laat zien dat je deze factoren niet op waarde weet te schatten. En dat je dus blijkbaar ook geen idee hebt wat het "product F-35" behelst.

Maar vooruit, ik zal je fixatie op fysieke eigenschappen een klein beetje bevredigen: De Koreaan voert zijn wapens extern. Funest voor L/O eigenschappen, helemaal in een A/G configuratie. Verder valt de externe targetingpod en de traditionele IRSTS op. Dat is allemaal niet erg 5e generatie. Het is tevens een indicatie dat de sensor integratie en fusie op een ander niveau is dan bij de F-35 het geval is. Ander vliegtuig, andere filisofie.

En dat weten de Koreanen zelf ook gezien het aantal F-35s dat paralel wordt aangekocht.

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 04/03/2021 | 23:54 uur
Het ligt alleen niet in lijn der verwachting dat ze inferieure producten afleveren.

Het is een interresant vliegtuig met wellicht een hoop potentie. Helemaal als het ook nog goedkoop kan, maar dat waag ik te betwijfelen.  Maar als je denkt dat dit vliegtuig gelijkwaardig is aan de F-35 weet je simpelweg te weinig van het F-35 project.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/03/2021 | 08:33 uur
Citaat van: Nikehercules op 05/03/2021 | 01:18 uur
Gezien hethoge off-topic gehalte in "Toekomst lunabev manoeuvre eenheden" plaats ik hem hier ff.

Dat jij factoren als toegang tot tactieken, procedures en inlichtingen kennenlijk bestempeld als niet inhoudelijk laat zien dat je deze factoren niet op waarde weet te schatten. En dat je dus blijkbaar ook geen idee hebt wat het "product F-35" behelst.

Maar vooruit, ik zal je fixatie op fysieke eigenschappen een klein beetje bevredigen: De Koreaan voert zijn wapens extern. Funest voor L/O eigenschappen, helemaal in een A/G configuratie. Verder valt de externe targetingpod en de traditionele IRSTS op. Dat is allemaal niet erg 5e generatie. Het is tevens een indicatie dat de sensor integratie en fusie op een ander niveau is dan bij de F-35 het geval is. Ander vliegtuig, andere filisofie.

En dat weten de Koreanen zelf ook gezien het aantal F-35s dat paralel wordt aangekocht.

Het is een interresant vliegtuig met wellicht een hoop potentie. Helemaal als het ook nog goedkoop kan, maar dat waag ik te betwijfelen.  Maar als je denkt dat dit vliegtuig gelijkwaardig is aan de F-35 weet je simpelweg te weinig van het F-35 project.

Je post is zo niet relevant dat ik niet weet waar ik zou moeten beginnen met geven van repliek. Natuurlijk kan ik aangehaalde onderwerpen op waarde schatten, en uiteraard had ik deze meegenomen in de waardering van het toestel.  Het zal geen 1 op 1 zijn met de F-35, was ook totaal niet de strekking van mijn bericht. Ik denk niet dat wij eruit komen hier.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Nikehercules op 05/03/2021 | 10:04 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 05/03/2021 | 08:33 uur
Het zal geen 1 op 1 zijn met de F-35, was ook totaal niet de strekking van mijn bericht. Ik denk niet dat wij eruit komen hier.

Je draait. Daar dacht je gisteren namelijk nog anders over:

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 04/03/2021 | 22:34 uur
Ik geloof dat ze daar niet iets hebben gemaakt wat onderdoet voor de F-35.

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 04/03/2021 | 23:54 uur
Het ligt alleen niet in lijn der verwachting dat ze inferieure producten afleveren.

Het was dus totaal wél de strekking van jouw bericht. Je pretendeert de wijsheid in pacht te hebben, maar je zakt door een gebrek aan kennis gewoon gigantisch door het ijs (en dat niet voor het eerst deze week). Je hebt je laten verleiden door een fancy plaatje en wat algemeenheden over de stand van de Koreaanse technologie.

Maar goed, je draai lijkt te bevestigen dat je daar inmiddels zelf ook achter bent gekomen.



Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 05/03/2021 | 13:32 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 04/03/2021 | 22:55 uur
Ik weet niet hoe je aan dit idee komt, maar als je me ergens ziet zeggen dat de F-35 een exportproduct is geworden omdat de kosten te hoog opgelopen zijn zie ik deze quote graag terug. De Amerikanen wilden een nieuw superieur all round toestel, en het was hun eigen overtuiging dat ze daar al hun bondgenoten voor nodig hadden. Daar is de hele tender op geschreven, daar haakte iedereen op aan. Het export idee stond vanaf het idee vast. Als de Amerikanen vanaf moment 1 hadden gedacht zelf een betaalbaar product te kunnen maken wat exact zou aansluiten op hun eigen behoeften, hadden ze dat wel gedaan. Amerikanen hebben de rest namelijk nog nooit nodig gehad als ze echt wat wilden, of dit nu nucleaire kruisraketten, tanks, of onderzeeërs betrof. De F-22 was de doodsteek en het was hun eigen opvatting dat zo'n geintje nooit meer kon worden herhaald, dat is wat ik zei.

Dit is wat je zei:
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Exact, dat zeg ik. Het hele argument van de gedeelde samenwerking in ontwikkeling F35 was dat dit niet zelf meer (financieel)  door de Amerikanen te behappen was. Anders hadden ze het wel zelf gedaan..

Als iets "niet meer te behappen is" lees ik dat als: "Ze zijn er mee begonnen maar konden het financieel niet bolwerken dus hebben ze er noodgedwongen een exportproduct van gemaakt" maar zo bedoel je het dus niet begrijp ik nu.

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Tja... dus? Dat is een politieke keus geweest, niet die van mij, DMO of het CZSK.

Alsof het een keus van de Klu zelf was... En verder, ik reageer op jouw verongelijkte "het is allemaal niet eerlijk" commentaar:
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Tot op heden weet ik dat CLAS en CZSK ervoor hebben mogen bloeden en ik hou mijn hart vast voor de Belgen.
Ik geef alleen maar aan dat de taart straks anders verdeeld wordt en anderen mogen gaan "bloeden"... Dat is inherent aan het feit wie er op dat ogenblik voor een grootschalig vervangingsproject komt te staan. En aangezien alles op de lange baan is geschoven zitten we nu met een boeggolf, simple as that.

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vertel... Ik ben benieuwd.   

Je wil zeggen dat DMO helemaal niks met de vervangings- een aanschafprojecten te maken heeft? Waarom hebben we die club dan nog?

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Nou, dat hebben we hoogstwaarschijnlijk niet. Heeft met name te maken met nogal wat ethische lastige vraagstukken waar niemand zich over dient te buigen als het niet 'bestaat'.

Even hoor, waar heb je het nou weer over? Ik zeg dat wij gewoon aardig op de hoogte zijn van de huidige capaciteiten, niks meer niks minder. Dat heeft niks met ethische vraagstukken en of het nou wel of niet bestaat te maken. Ik heb even geen idee welke kant je nou op wil met deze opmerking.

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externe jamming is alleen relevant wanneer je een systeem niet autonoom kan en durft te laten opereren.

Uhm, wat denk je van oa 3D plaatsbepaling? Autonoom gaat wel wat verder dan alleen de link van de "bestuurder" weghalen...

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En de piloot is nooit eerder de beperkende factor geweest, het was simpelweg technisch niet mogelijk het voordeel in 90% van de gevechtssituaties te behalen zonder menselijk inzicht en 'precisie', beiden zaken zijn over 10 jaar minder relevant.

Als je het over menselijke capaciteiten hebt is de piloot altijd de beperkende factor geweest, dat is wat ik zeg. Of ga je nou met droge ogen beweren dat bv. human visual range verder is dan radar range om maar een dwarsstraat te noemen. Of het reactievermogen, of het fysieke uithoudingsvermogen etc. Daar doel ik op.

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Dit is nogmaals niet mijn eigen opvatting, maar deze deel ik wel. Dit betekent niet dat over 10 jaar allle vliegtuigen zelf vliegen, maar wel dat het mogelijk is. We zitten enkel vast aan generatie cycli die productie van wapensystemen opdelen in generaties, zo zit nu niemand te wachten op een nieuwe productie van systemen omdat dat markt technisch niet uitkomt. Maar indien we het zouden willen is er over 10 jaar een volledig autonome machine die zelf beslist over het hoe en wat. Het enige obstakel is ethiek. Ik denk dat we nog even vastzitten aan mensen, puur omdat we geen afnemers kunnen vinden voor toestellen die zelfstandig opereren. De Chinezen en Israëliërs zullen de eersten zijn die ons daar mee zullen gaan verassen, is de verwachting : ) .

We gaan het zien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 05/03/2021 | 13:40 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 05/03/2021 | 08:33 uur
Het zal geen 1 op 1 zijn met de F-35, was ook totaal niet de strekking van mijn bericht. Ik denk niet dat wij eruit komen hier.

En als aanvulling op het verhaal van NikeHercules, dit zei je ook:


Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 03/03/2021 | 10:07 uur
Zie hier de koreanen die naast hun telefoons en tandenborstel industrie even een 5e gen gevechtstoestel uitpoepen.

Het is simpelweg geen 5th gen toestel...

Daarnaast is het ook niet zo dat KAI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_Aerospace_Industries#Products) een lange en uitgebreide ontwikkel- en bouwgeschiedenis van Fighters kent. Dus ik vraag me echt af waar je je mening op baseert.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 05/03/2021 | 16:40 uur
Dassault boss Trappier floats 'Plan B' considerations for the troubled FCAS warplane   (het begin is er ...  :big-smile: ... Its always the same... one way, the French way )

Dassault Aviation CEO Eric Trappier, whose company leads the tri-national New Generation Fighter (NGF) destined to replace France's Rafales, Germany's Typhoons and Spain's EF-18 Hornets, has admitted that there is "trouble" afoot with implementing the program's next stage, dubbed 1B.

The phase involves getting Spain and additional suppliers on board. The mandate to include Spain's industry means that work share between Dassault and Airbus, instead of being split 50/50, is now split three ways, with Airbus holding 66 percent, as it represents Germany and Spain.

"I've accepted that," Trappier said, "but it's made sharing the work in all the packages, including the strategic ones, more complicated."

The fighter program is part of the Future Combat Air System effort, which envisions networked drones accompanying the manned aircraft, and a combat cloud architecture pulling all elements together.

Trappier said that "we still believe in this program," which was an "efficient" way for the three nations to develop a sixth-generation aircraft at a reasonable cost. However, he said any responsible chief executive "tries his very best to make Plan A work, but always has a Plan B."

In this case it would appear that France's Plan B is to go it alone on this program. Trappier pointed out that "in terms of technology, Dassault knows how to build aircraft alone. Safran knows how to make engines for combat aircraft. Thales knows about electronics, and MBDA missiles," so French industry has all the know-how necessary.

..../...

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2021/03/05/dassault-boss-trappier-floats-plan-b-considerations-for-the-troubled-fcas-warplane/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/03/2021 | 17:00 uur
Citaat van: Nikehercules op 05/03/2021 | 10:04 uur
Je draait. Daar dacht je gisteren namelijk nog anders over:

Het was dus totaal wél de strekking van jouw bericht. Je pretendeert de wijsheid in pacht te hebben, maar je zakt door een gebrek aan kennis gewoon gigantisch door het ijs (en dat niet voor het eerst deze week). Je hebt je laten verleiden door een fancy plaatje en wat algemeenheden over de stand van de Koreaanse technologie.

Maar goed, je draai lijkt te bevestigen dat je daar inmiddels zelf ook achter bent gekomen.

Nee hoor, ik ben er nog steeds van overtuigd dat het een top product zal zijn. Dat ligt in lijn der verwachting, dat is niet alleen mijn mening, maar ook van luchtvaartsystemen. Ik hoef me ook niet te verdedigen, ik ga er ook niet in vliegen.  Ik vind het vervelend voor je dat ik op je tenen ben gaan staan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 05/03/2021 | 17:02 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 05/03/2021 | 13:40 uur
En als aanvulling op het verhaal van NikeHercules, dit zei je ook:


Het is simpelweg geen 5th gen toestel...
Dat was toch al gecorrigeerd? 4,5 gen is ook prima om de taken uit te kunnen voeren. Ik heb nooit vastgehangen aan het feit dat het perse een 5e gen toestel is. maar een goed toestel wat voldoet aan wat we moeten kunnen en wat informatie gestuurd kan optreden. Daarnaast heb ik ook nooit weerlegd dat het wel een 5e generatie toestel zou zijn.

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Daarnaast is het ook niet zo dat KAI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_Aerospace_Industries#Products) een lange en uitgebreide ontwikkel- en bouwgeschiedenis van Fighters kent. Dus ik vraag me echt af waar je je mening op baseert.
Dat is precies wat ik zelf zei.  En dat het een goed product zal zijn is gebaseerd op de koreaanse kwaliteit van produceren, innoveren en hun mate van technologische vooruitstrevendheid. Zoals ik aangaf, ze zijn internationaal koploper op AI en robotica. Dit is ook hoogstwaarschijnlijk de reden dat een land als Korea zo'n inhaalslag heeft kunnen maken zonder dat het een geschiedenis heeft in luchtvaarttechniek. Ik snap je probleem niet, het is namelijk bij jou 'you'r way..or no way'. Als je het inhoudelijk met iemand oneens bent kun je de discussie op veel manieren voeren. Dit vind ik niet de goede, had dit ook niet van jou verwacht.

Voor mij is deze discussie overigens over, indien je het ergens mee oneens bent, je hebt gelijk.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 05/03/2021 | 17:14 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 05/03/2021 | 17:02 uur
Voor mij is deze discussie overigens over, indien je het ergens mee oneens bent, je hebt gelijk.

;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/03/2021 | 13:58 uur
Het moment waarvan je wist dat het zou komen... (Nog onbevestigd: 48 F35B ipv 138, budget richting Tempest)

UK reportedly to cut F-35B order by 65 percent

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-reportedly-to-cut-f-35b-order-by-65-percent/ via @ukdefjournal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/03/2021 | 14:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/03/2021 | 13:58 uur
Het moment waarvan je wist dat het zou komen... (Nog onbevestigd: 48 F35B ipv 138, budget richting Tempest)

UK reportedly to cut F-35B order by 65 percent

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-reportedly-to-cut-f-35b-order-by-65-percent/ via @ukdefjournal

138 stuks is inderdaad erg veel voor de Britten, maar 48 stuks is te weinig. Verder heb ik mijn bedenkingen bij The Sunday Times.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/03/2021 | 15:00 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 07/03/2021 | 14:49 uur
138 stuks is inderdaad erg veel voor de Britten, maar 48 stuks is te weinig. Verder heb ik mijn bedenkingen bij The Sunday Times.

Ik deel die sceptische gedachte met betrekken tot The Sunday Times.

Maar indien waar: 48 F35B voor 2 carriers is volstrekt onvoldoende tenzij je ze slechts wil uitrusten als over sized LHD's met een helo airwing en elk 12 F35B of 1 carrier met 24 inzetbare kisten.

De andere optie is natuurlijk: samenwerken/bedelen met/bij de bondgenoten (je kan hierbij de nodige uitdagingen verwachten bij een serieus conflict in de echte wereld).

Voor Tempest zou men één of beide schepen weer een CATOBAR configuratie moeten geven, iets wat ze bij de bouw al hadden moeten doen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/03/2021 | 15:09 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 07/03/2021 | 15:00 uur
Ik deel die sceptische gedachte met betrekken tot The Sunday Times.

Maar indien waar: 48 F35B voor 2 carriers is volstrekt onvoldoende tenzij je ze slechts wil uitrusten als over sized LHD's met een helo airwing en elk 12 F35B of 1 carrier met 24 inzetbare kisten.

Het is sowieso 1 vliegkampschip dat actief is met de F-35B en geen 2 op hetzelfde moment. In VK wordt al lange tijd gespeculeerd of het bij 48 stuks blijft of niet, maar er wordt bewust gekozen voor een langzame levering op dit moment. Ze laten veel van Block 4 (Lot 15>) afhangen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/03/2021 | 16:00 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 07/03/2021 | 15:49 uur
Op Twitter zijn er aardig wat serieuze accounts die dat als voorschot op de IR nemen.

Wat wordt in dit geval met IR bedoeld?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 07/03/2021 | 16:48 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 07/03/2021 | 16:45 uur
Integrated review.
Het Britse defensie beleid voor de komende jaren.
Naast F35 mogelijk flinke terugschaling artillerie en stoppen van het warrior project. En weer 4 inf bataljons van de sterkte af.

Ik moet het eerst allemaal nog maar eens zien. De Britten zien en denken toch heel anders over hun defensie dan de gemiddelde Nederlander.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 07/03/2021 | 20:08 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 07/03/2021 | 16:54 uur
Zeker. Maar ondanks de miljarden die ze overhouden na hun Brexit lijken er toch wat bezuinigingen aan te komen. En de Britten kun je wel vertrouwen met een zwalkend defensie beleid.

Maargoed, dat is voor een ander topic. We'll see.

Ondanks?  Je denkt dat de brexit ze geld bespaard?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 08/03/2021 | 11:27 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 07/03/2021 | 21:10 uur
Dat gedeelte was wat sarcastisch.
Komt natuurlijk niet altijd over op een textje.
Maar naast Brexit wat ze bakken vol geld kost krijgen ze ook een flinke klap door Corona. Zelfs als er geen bezuiniging op de krijgsmacht plaats vindt, zullen er toch wat zaken sneuvelen om investeringen vrij te kunnen maken voor toekomstige capaciteit. Voornamelijk dreadnaught en Tempest gaan flink in de papieren lopen, terwijl voor beide eigenlijk al geen geld is.

Ah duidelijk. Maargoed ik denk dat elk land in de problemen gaat komen. Nieuwe technologieën zullen nieuwe capaciteiten en nieuwe aan tepakken (veiligheids) vraagstukken opleveren. Die zijn onbetaalbaar als het conventionele gedeelte van de krijgsmachten ook in stand gehouden moet  worden. De transitie van het USMC is een voorbeeld van hoe het zal gaan..of wat naar mijn idee een wijs besluit is.

Dezelfde mogelijkheid heeft 13x nu, waar de bezuinigingen de brigade tot een pipo de clown versie hadden gemaakt. De eis om toch een klap uit te kunnen delen, of op andere manier een toegevoegde waarde te kunnen bieden is de huidge aanpak waarin hij fungeert als testbed. Op relatief grote schaal stromen er drones in en worden er alternatieve doctrines bekeken.

Ik vermoed dat om deze reden 13x niet zo is gekoppeld aan een internationaal samenwerkingsverband zoals wel met 43x is gebeurd. Dat is mede bescherming voor beide brigades (wel / niet koppelen). 43x komt niemand aan en is relatief zwaar en conventioneel.. en 13x houdt de vrijheid om nieuwe technologie en doctrines uit te testen.

Een beetje van een nood een deugd maken gaat hier op. We zitten echt in een hybride tijdperk, nog veel meer dan  tijdens het interbellum. Omdat alleen Duitsland militair innovatief was, gedreven door allerlei (opgelegde) beperkingen, kon het met opgestroopte  mouwen in een jaar heel Europa aan de kant duwen... en die kracht kwam niet vanuit tanks maar informatie gestuurd optreden,  naast het uitbuiten van technologische hoogstandjes. Toevallig exact dezelfde variabele als nu.

*anti FLAK edit  8) :Ik begrijp dat dit vanuit mijn perspectief een stuk interessanter is dan het actieve operationele, in die wereld is het gebrek aan conventioneel zwaar materieel nijpend en zit niemand te wachten op spielerij. Al helemaal niet omdat dit voortkwam uit budget gedreven beslissingen. Maar wellicht komt er iets goeds uit. Belgie heeft haar landmacht totaal afgebroken zonder enig uitzicht, dat gebeurt hier niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/03/2021 | 11:58 uur
US may field new fighter by FY 2029

05 MARCH 2021

by Gareth Jennings

The United States may field a new fighter aircraft type by fiscal year (FY) 2029, according to a related contract notification posted on 4 March.

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An artist's impression of an NGAD concept. According to a DoD contract notification, the US military may field this or another 'next generation' combat aircraft by the end of FY 2029. (Boeing)

The contract awarded to Raytheon for AIM-120 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) aircraft integration support lists several aircraft types that carry the system, before expanding its remit to potentially include those existing types that do not, as well as a type or types that have yet to enter into service.

"This contract will provide the necessary aircraft lab, flight test, flight clearance, and simulation support during all integration requirements in AMRAAM for F-15, F-16, F/A-18, F-22, F-35, and other current inventory or next-generation platforms that may join the air force or navy inventory before the end of fiscal year 2029," the Department of Defense (DoD) said in its contract notification.

With the notification listing all US Air Force (USAF) and US Navy (USN) aircraft types (or their derivatives, such as the EA-18G Growler) cleared to carry the AMRAAM, it is not immediately apparent to which platform or platforms the DoD might be referring in its notification.

The only other tactical air (TacAir) platform in the US inventory that does not already carry the missile and which is not a derivative of the types listed is the Fairchild-Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II. However, while the A-10 does carry the short-range AIM-9 Sidewinder, this is purely for self-defence, and as such it would be highly unlikely that it would ever be equipped with the longer ranged AMRAAM for offensive aerial combat.

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/us-may-field-new-fighter-by-fy-2029
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/03/2021 | 12:18 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/03/2021 | 11:58 uur
US may field new fighter by FY 2029


Ergens vermoed ik dat de Amerikaanse roep om minder F35 hier direct aan gerelateerd is.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 08/03/2021 | 12:41 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/03/2021 | 12:18 uur
Ergens vermoed ik dat de Amerikaanse roep om minder F35 hier direct aan gerelateerd is.

Ik ook. Indien deze er echt zo snel komt gaat dit een boel gedonder opleveren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/03/2021 | 12:46 uur
Als er iets komt, dan verwacht ik eerst NGAD. Verder vind ik nergens info dat de B-21 is uitgesloten van AIM-120 gebruik.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/03/2021 | 13:11 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 08/03/2021 | 12:41 uur
Ik ook. Indien deze er echt zo snel komt gaat dit een boel gedonder opleveren.

De NGAD is natuurlijk bedoeld als F22A opvolger, maar een richting lijkt zichtbaar te worden

NGAD + F35 + B21: high end
F15EX + nieuwe 4.5 generatie kist: low end

NGAD+F15EX+ 4.5 generatie kist bij uitgeschakelde A2/D2 waarbij luchtoverwicht nog niet gegarandeerd is.

F35 zou hiermee een rol van de F-111  overnemen en daarnaast acteren als flying sensor
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 08/03/2021 | 14:03 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/03/2021 | 13:11 uur
De NGAD is natuurlijk bedoeld als F22A opvolger, maar een richting lijkt zichtbaar te worden

NGAD + F35 + B21: high end
F15EX + nieuwe 4.5 generatie kist: low end

NGAD+F15EX+ 4.5 generatie kist bij uitgeschakelde A2/D2 waarbij luchtoverwicht nog niet gegarandeerd is.

F35 zou hiermee een rol van de F-111  overnemen en daarnaast acteren als flying sensor

Het is ook voornamelijk de beeldvorming. Militair zal de NGAD genoeg redenen hebben om te gaan bestaan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/03/2021 | 14:21 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 08/03/2021 | 14:03 uur
Militair zal de NGAD genoeg redenen hebben om te gaan bestaan.

Zeker, de Russen en de Chinezen beginnen langzaam maar zeker hun achterstand in 5e generatie kisten in te lopen. Voor ze zover zijn, zijn we rond 2030 aangekomen en dat ligt dan weer in lijn met de te verwachten introductie van NGAD
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/03/2021 | 14:49 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/03/2021 | 13:11 uur
NGAD+F15EX+ 4.5 generatie kist bij uitgeschakelde A2/D2 waarbij luchtoverwicht nog niet gegarandeerd is.

Waarom laat je in dit rijtje de F-35 weg?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/03/2021 | 15:56 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/03/2021 | 14:49 uur
Waarom laat je in dit rijtje de F-35 weg?

A2/D2 is uitgeschakeld, de 4.5+ kisten lijken zijn dan wellicht afdoende, met NGAD als CAP. (maar dit is niet mijn expertise)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/03/2021 | 22:58 uur
Update: Maiden flight for Danish F-35

10 MARCH 2021

The first Lockheed Martin F-35A Lighting II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) for Denmark made its maiden flight on 8 March.

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The first F-35 for Denmark made its maiden flight out of Fort Worth, Texas, on 8 March. (Lockheed Martin)

Aircraft L-001 made the first sortie out of Lockheed Martin's Fort Worth production facility in Texas. The aircraft appeared in Denmark's chosen national livery, which in common with other international operators of the 'stealth' fighter, is based on a low-visibility grey colour scheme. However, in contrast to others, its aircraft are to be adorned with colour (although muted) roundels and the Dannebrog national flag.

News of the milestone came about nine months after Denmark began preparations for receiving the first of the Royal Danish Air Force's (RDAF's) 27 contracted F-35As later in 2021, with the country's parliament approving construction of facilities at Skveststrup Flyvestation in Southern Jutland in June 2020. Flight operations are due to commence there in 2023, as deliveries run through to 2026.

Denmark announced that it had selected the F-35A to replace the Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon in May 2016. Denmark had previously stated that it aimed to procure 48 aircraft to replace the F-16 but this number was curtailed due to budget cuts. As noted by Janes World Air Forces , Denmark's eventual procurement of only 27 F-35As, will give the RDAF a very small fleet that at best will be just sufficient to carry out required air-defence tasks. With the government mandating a review of the programme before the last six of the 27 aircraft are ordered, the RDAF might find itself getting just 21 F-35As depending on the state of the national finances when the review is made.
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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/update-maiden-flight-for-danish-f-35

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/03/2021 | 08:46 uur
US Air Force accepts first Boeing F-15EX fighter

The US Air Force (USAF) officially accepted the first F-15EX fighter on 10 March at Boeing's St. Louis production facility.

The choice to acquire the F-15EX is controversial as the fourth-generation fighter lacks the low radar cross-section of the service's former favourite jet, the Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth fighter. The USAF justified its decision by pointing to the F-15EX's lower operating costs and the ease with which units flying the F-15C/D can transition into the upgraded variant. The service also says it intends to field large, long-range hypersonic missiles on the jet.

The USAF plans to acquire 144 examples of the combat aircraft to replace its aging fleet of McDonnell Douglas F-15C/D models, which it says on average are 37 years old and reaching the end of useful life. The service plans to operate the F-15EX into the 2040s.

"With its large weapons capacity, digital backbone, and open architecture, the F-15EX will be a key element of our tactical fighter fleet and complement fifth-generation assets," says Colonel Sean Dorey, F-15EX programme manager with the Air Force Life Cycle Management Center's Fighters and Advanced Aircraft Directorate, which is responsible for the acquisition, modernisation, and sustainment of the service's aircraft. "In addition, it's capable of carrying hypersonic weapons, giving it a niche role in future near-peer conflicts."

Though the new fighter is a two-seat aircraft, the USAF plans to fly it with a single pilot. The back seat will remain empty. The F-15EX has fly-by-wire flight controls, digital cockpit displays and advanced avionics systems. Such systems include the BAE Systems Eagle Passive/Active Warning and Survivability System, an electronic warfare system, which is also being installed on older F-15E models as an upgrade.

The first new F-15EX will be flown to Eglin AFB in Florida for testing. A second aircraft is scheduled to be delivered to Eglin by the end of April. And, the remaining six aircraft in production lot one are planned for delivery to Eglin in fiscal year 2023.

"To expedite the testing needed to declare the F-15EX ready for operations, the team will use previous testing data from F-15 foreign military sales variants and US-only subsystems and operational flight program software," says the USAF. The EX is based on Saudi Arabia's F-15SA and Qatar's F-15QA, upgraded variants of the Cold War-era McDonnell Douglas F-15.

The USAF plans for aircraft produced as part of lots two and three to be delivered in FY2024 and FY2025, it says. Those aircraft are to be based at Oregon's Kingsley Field, an F-15C/D training school, and Portland Air National Guard, home of the 142nd Wing, which will be the first operational unit to fly the aircraft.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/us-air-force-accepts-first-boeing-f-15ex-fighter/142864.article#:~:text=The%20US%20Air%20Force%20(USAF,Boeing's%20St.%20Louis%20production%20facility.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/03/2021 | 09:39 uur
UK FCAS programme poised to enter concept and assessment phase

By Craig Hoyle | 9 March 2021

The UK's future combat air system (FCAS) activity is on track to enter its concept and assessment phase later this year, according to Michael Christie, director of FCAS at BAE Systems Air.

Christie says the Team Tempest industrial group – a joint venture involving BAE, Rolls-Royce and the UK units of Leonardo and MBDA – is anticipating a decision in the next few weeks to progress to the new project phase, with the work likely to come under contract and begin "as we go into the summer".

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A Tempest platform is eyed as core element of the UK's future combat air capability

To build on the results of research conducted during an initial technology development phase, the coming activity will be used to inform a future alternate systems review, which will define which equipment will form part of an FCAS.

"We will have a number of elements – the core element is likely to be a manned or optionally manned system, but there will be a number of other components that sit around it," Christie said on 9 March.

Multiple system configurations will continue to be considered until the UK Ministry of Defence defines its formal future combat air capability requirements later this decade.

"We are still looking at multiple options, and the balance between the various components," he says. "We will be keeping our options open for a while yet." The envisioned system also will include what Team Tempest describes as "adjuncts" such as unmanned loyal wingman platforms, along with "effectors" in the form of air-launched weapons and "non-kinetic effects". The system also will include command and control and communication elements to support its operation.

Last year, Team Tempest and its partners completed work and delivered information on around 60 technology projects, which supported its completion of an outline business case proposal since delivered to the MoD.

Separately, a trilateral memorandum was signed between the UK and partner nations Italy and Sweden, to continue their involvement in the programme.

Christie notes that a collaborative working definition project concluded with Sweden and Saab in 2020 "was extremely successful".

Further details about the UK's FCAS ambitions are expected to emerge when the MoD releases the outcome of its Integrated Review process, currently scheduled to occur on 16 March.

Christie says Team Tempest's goals for 2021 include "to make the next step in the UK acquisition process" and "forming the international programme". He notes: "They will coincide at some point later in the year... and then we will join a single organisation structure later in the programme."

With regard to the likely industrial framework which will be established to deliver the project for multiple nations, Christie notes: "Rather than start with a structure, we are starting with an outcome in mind, which is that we want an efficient, competitive construct. All of our industrial partners have got the same objective there."

Team Tempest has previously outlined a schedule under which it will deliver a full business case proposal for the FCAS project by the end of 2025. An operational capability is expected to be available by 2035.

https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/uk-fcas-programme-poised-to-enter-concept-and-assessment-phase/142802.article
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/03/2021 | 09:54 uur
Second Navy Squadron Ready for F-35C Transition

Posted on March 2, 2021 by Richard R. Burgess, Senior Editor

ARLINGTON, Va. — The second Navy strike fighter squadron (VFA) slated for transition to the F-35C Lightning II strike fighter has made its last flight in the F/A-18E Super Hornet.

The Warhawks of VFA-97, based at Naval Air Station Lemoore, California, flew the Super Hornet for the last time on Feb. 26. For more than a year, the squadron has operated older F/A-18Es in an adversary role to help train sister VFA squadrons in aerial combat. 

The Warhawks will receive transition training at Lemoore from VFA-125, the fleet replacement squadron for the F-35C.

VFA-97 will become the Navy's second fleet F-35C squadron. The first, VFA-147, is scheduled to deploy later this year with Carrier Air Wing Two on USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70).

VFA-97 had operated the F/A-18 Hornet since 1991, and the F/A-18E Super Hornet since 2013.

Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 314 (VMFA-314) also has completed transition to the F-35C and is scheduled to deploy on a carrier in fiscal 2022. 

https://seapowermagazine.org/second-navy-squadron-ready-for-f-35c-transition/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/03/2021 | 23:01 uur
F-35 Full-Rate Still Months Away, But Won't Signal Production Surge

https://www.airforcemag.com/f-35-full-rate-still-months-away-but-wont-signal-production-surge/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/03/2021 | 11:26 uur
Airbus execs tell French lawmakers they have no 'Plan B' for FCAS

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2021/03/17/airbus-execs-tell-french-lawmakers-they-have-no-plan-b-for-fcas/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/03/2021 | 22:48 uur
Allerlaatste vlucht F-4 Phantom Japanse luchtmacht

Leonard van den Broek  18/03/2021  Leestijd: 1 minuut

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Laatste F-4EJ Phantom van de Japanse luchtmacht © Leonard van den Broek

Japan heeft gisteren definitief afscheid genomen van de F-4 Phantom. De drie resterende F-4EJ Phantoms van de Air Developement and Test Wing (ADTW) maakten hun allerlaatste vlucht, zo werd door de Japanse luchtmacht bekend gemaakt via sociale media.

Afgelopen november ging de Phantom al uit operationele dienst als luchtverdedigingsjager. De Japanse luchtmacht maakt meteen een grote stap voorwaarts, omdat de ruim veertig jaar oude toestellen worden vervangen door de F-35.

Testeenheid

De testeenheid van de Japanse luchtmacht, de Air Development and Test Wing (ADTW) op Gifu was de allerlaatste eenheid die in Japan nog met de Phantom vloog. Tot maart 2019 was de vliegbasis Hyakuri bij Tokyo nog thuisbasis van drie resterende Phantom gevechtssquadrons. Toen verhuisde 302 Hikotai naar Misawa, om als eerste eenheid over te gaan op de F-35. Vervolgens werd in maart 2020 501 Hikotai opgeheven. Dit betekende voor Japan het afscheid van de 'foto-Phantom'. Het squadron met Woody Woodpecker op de staart vloog met de verkenningsversie van de Phantom. In november 2020 werd 301 Hikotai ontbonden, als laatste luchtverdedigingssquadron dat nog met de F-4 vloog.

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Deze F-4EJ van het ADTC was de allereerste Phantom voor de Japanse luchtmacht © Leonard van den Broek

Gemoderniseerd

In 1968 kocht Japan 140 F-4EJ Phantoms als luchtverdedigingsjager, waarvan vrijwel alle toestellen door Mitsubishi in licentie werden gebouwd. Veertien RF-4E fotoverkenners voor 501 Hikotai werden door McDonnell Douglas in Amerika gefabriceerd. In de jaren '80 werden 96 F-4EJ's gemoderniseerd tot F-4EJ改 (Kai, 'gewijzigd'). Deze Phantoms kregen onder meer een nieuwe radar en 'radar warning receivers' in de staart. Eén van de drie Phantoms die gisteren de laatste vlucht maakten, was een F-4EJ改.

Overgebleven

Er zijn nog vier landen met F-4E Phantoms bij operationele squadrons: Griekenland, Turkije en Zuid-Korea (elk met één squadron) en Iran. In 2017 nam Griekenland al afscheid van de RF-4, als één van de laatste gebruikers. Alleen de Iraanse luchtmacht heeft nog RF-4E's in gebruik, maar het exacte aantal en de operationele inzetbaarheid is onbekend.


Officiële YouTube video van de Japanse luchtmacht, van de afscheidsvlucht van de laatste drie Phantoms van ADTW.

https://www.upinthesky.nl/2021/03/18/allerlaatste-vlucht-f-4-phantom-japanse-luchtmacht/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 19/03/2021 | 08:39 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 18/02/2021 | 08:22 uur
USAF rethinks future fleet, ponders clean-sheet 4.5 generation fighter

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/usaf-rethinks-future-fleet-ponders-clean-sheet-45-generation-fighter/142471.article#.YC4Vd4GJ4mg.twitter

Zal dit de 4.5 gen fighter worden ?  ;)

The F-36 Kingsnake: the 'fifth-generation-minus' fighter USAF wants

https://hushkit.net/2021/03/17/the-f-36-kingsnake-the-fifth-generation-minus-fighter-usaf-wants

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/03/2021 | 10:55 uur
France: the Rafale F3-R combat aircraft enters operational service

https://www.edrmagazine.eu/france-the-rafale-f3-r-combat-aircraft-enters-operational-service

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/03/2021 | 11:24 uur
Estimated development costs for the F-35′s modernization program increased by $1.9B in a year

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2021/03/18/development-costs-for-the-f-35s-modernization-program-increased-by-19b-in-a-year/

Rapport van GAO (Government Accountability Office).

https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-21-226.pdf
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/03/2021 | 10:02 uur
How much cheaper is the F-15EX compared to the F-35?

https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/how-much-cheaper-is-the-f-15ex-compared-to-the-f-35/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=SocialWarfare via @alexhollings52
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/03/2021 | 10:21 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/03/2021 | 10:02 uur
How much cheaper is the F-15EX compared to the F-35?


Leuk dat rekenvoorbeeld, maar is er iemand die 20.000 vlieguren per air-frame serieus neemt?

8.000 uur / 250 vlieguren per jaar = 32 jaar
20.000 uur /250 vlieguren per jaar = 80 jaar

Het wordt natuurlijk anders als het gemiddelde aantal vlieguren wordt opgeschroefd naar 500 uur per jaar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 20/03/2021 | 10:46 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/03/2021 | 10:21 uur
Leuk dat rekenvoorbeeld, maar is er iemand die 20.000 vlieguren per air-frame serieus neemt?

8.000 uur / 250 vlieguren per jaar = 32 jaar
20.000 uur /250 vlieguren per jaar = 80 jaar

Het wordt natuurlijk anders als het gemiddelde aantal vlieguren wordt opgeschroefd naar 500 uur per jaar.

Je vergeet nog iets.

F-15 Eagle
The Eagle first flew in July 1972, and entered service in 1976. It is among the most successful modern fighters, with over 100 victories and no losses in aerial combat, with the majority of the kills by the Israeli Air Force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F-15_Eagle#cite_note-Davies_icover-2
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/03/2021 | 10:56 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 20/03/2021 | 10:46 uur
Je vergeet nog iets.


Dat het basis ontwerp uit de jaren zestig van de vorige eeuw komt vind ik niet zo spannend. Ze gaan hier uit van een nieuwe kist die bij normaal gebruik (250 vlieguren per jaar) pas na de eeuwwisseling uit dienst zal worden genomen of dat ze na 40 jaar met een verdubbeld aantal vlieguren ergens in de jaren zestig van deze eeuw hun actieve leven verruilen voor Gillette.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 20/03/2021 | 11:04 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/03/2021 | 10:56 uur
Dat het basis ontwerp uit de jaren zestig van de vorige eeuw komt vind ik niet zo spannend. Ze gaan hier uit van een nieuwe kist die bij normaal gebruik (250 vlieguren per jaar) pas na de eeuwwisseling uit dienst zal worden genomen of dat ze na 40 jaar met een verdubbeld aantal vlieguren ergens in de jaren zestig van deze eeuw hun actieve leven verruilen voor Gillette.

Maak dan even een rekensom wat een F15EX  en F35 kunnen vervoeren aan raketten en bommen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 20/03/2021 | 11:20 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 20/03/2021 | 11:04 uur
Maak dan even een rekensom wat een F15EX  en F35 kunnen vervoeren aan raketten en bommen.

Dat de F15EX een uitstekende kist- en tevens een missile truck is dat zal allemaal waar zijn, ik heb echter moete met 80 jaar voor het zelfde air-frame.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/03/2021 | 22:44 uur
Citaat van: Sandboxx op 20/03/2021 | 10:02 uur
How much cheaper is the F-15EX compared to the F-35?

https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/how-much-cheaper-is-the-f-15ex-compared-to-the-f-35/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=SocialWarfare via @alexhollings52

CitaatThe cost per hour of the F-35 is sure to drop in the years to come — and just as importantly, the F-35 is a stealth platform built largely to engage ground targets. The F-15EX, on the other hand, is an air superiority fighter designed to duke it out in the skies. Both of these aircraft are capable of either role, but at a fundamental level, these jets simply aren't built to do the same jobs.

Sandboxx vergeet te melden dat de F-15EX is gebaseerd op de F-15E Strike Eagle. Qua structuur en gewicht verschilt de Strike Eagle in vergelijking met F-15A-D Eagle.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/03/2021 | 10:02 uur
UK Defence Command Paper: MoD circumspect on future F-35 numbers

22 MARCH 2021

by Gareth Jennings

The United Kingdom has dropped its reference to an earlier stated commitment to procuring 138 Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning combat aircraft, noting only that an unspecified number will be bought over and above the 48 already outlined in earlier statements.

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While the UK government has previously touted the official programme of record number of 138 for planned F-35 procurements, the latest Defence Command Paper refers only to a plan to buy more than the 48 currently committed to. (Crown Copyright)

In the Defence Command Paper released on 22 March, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) shied away from the official programme of record number of 138 F-35s over the life of the programme that was reaffirmed in the Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR) in 2015. Instead, it has deferred to a later date any commitment to further buys beyond the 48 it is currently earmarked to receive by 2025.

"The Royal Air Force will continue to grow its Combat Air capacity over the next few years [...] and grow the Lightning Force, increasing the fleet size beyond the 48 aircraft that we have already ordered," the paper said.

To date, the UK has committed to just those short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) F-35Bs it requires for its carrier-strike requirement. Of these, 35 have been contracted and 21 delivered, with remaining deliveries for a final tally of 48 set to run through to 2025.

While 138 has long been held up as the UK's programme of record for the F-35 programme, it should be noted that the country never planned to field 138 F-35s at once. This number was to be procured over the 30-year-plus life of the programme, so as older aircraft were retired, newer ones would be bought.

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/uk-defence-command-paper-mod-circumspect-on-future-f-35-numbers
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 23/03/2021 | 10:48 uur
Toch een duurder apparaat dan voorzien. Maar wat gaat het gat opvullen? De F-36, het te ontwikkelen 4.5 gen platform?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/03/2021 | 19:19 uur
Navys Next Generation Air Dominance Program to be Family of Manned Unmanned Systems

https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2021/3/30/navys-next-generation-air-dominance-program-to-be-family-of-manned-unmanned-systems#.YGNc1Ph4D04.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/03/2021 | 12:46 uur
Tyndall AFB selected to host three F-35 squadrons

By 325th Fighter Wing Public Affairs, 325th Fighter Wing Public Affairs / Published March 30, 2021

TYNDALL AIR FORCE BASE, Fla. (AFNS) --
A Record of Decision was issued by the U.S. Air Force making Tyndall Air Force Base the official location to host three new squadrons of the F-35A Lightning II.

Air Force officials selected Tyndall AFB based on numerous attributes, including infrastructure capability, quality of life for Airmen, and airspace. The selection process included a thorough environmental impact analysis, in accordance with the National Environmental Policy Act.

The decision followed a 2018 proposal by the Air Force to base F-35s at Tyndall AFB after extensive damage from Hurricane Michael prompted the base's redesign to become the Department of Defense's first Installation of the Future. This has allowed the Air Force to rebuild the base to accommodate the unique needs of the F-35A.

"Adding F-35 squadrons at Tyndall (AFB) ensures Airmen will continue to have a strategic advantage as the 325th Fighter Wing enhances fighter training and combat readiness," said Col. Greg Moseley, 325th FW commander.

The F-35s will be delivered to three fighter squadrons in multiple phases, with the first aircraft planned to arrive in September 2023. Each of the squadrons will have 24 Joint Strike Fighters assigned; totaling 72 aircraft assigned to Tyndall AFB's 325th FW once full mission capability is achieved.

The installation adjoins the Gulf Range Complex, comprising 130,000 square miles of training airspace over the Gulf of Mexico, and is one of the few ranges in the U.S. capable of supporting large-scale air combat training. Direct access to this range is essential for fifth-generation fighter readiness and for live-fire testing and training.

"The airspace surrounding Tyndall (AFB) is a national treasure," Moseley said. "The type of training conducted here integrates the DoD's most advanced aircraft and builds a dynamic force."

As threats evolve and change around the world, the 325th FW and Air Combat Command must train daily to deter and defend against any threat.

"Air dominance is critical to the National Defense Strategy and basing F-35s at Tyndall (AFB) will only further our service's air superiority goals for 2030 and beyond," Moseley said.

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2555020/tyndall-afb-selected-to-host-three-f-35-squadrons/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/04/2021 | 13:47 uur
Vandaag wordt F-35A L-001 officieel aan Denemarken overgedragen. Afgelopen maart maakte ook L-002 de eerste vlucht.




Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 07/04/2021 | 14:21 uur
Pas op het schuim!! Geen schuim  :dead:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 07/04/2021 | 18:56 uur
Opvallende keuze van de Denen, als een van de weinigen een gekleurd roundel op de F-35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/04/2021 | 08:48 uur
The F-15EX has a new name

the Eagle II

The U.S. Air Force's newest F-15EX variant will be called the Eagle II, the service announced Wednesday.

Lt. Gen. Duke Richardson, the service's top uniformed acquisition official, announced the official designation during a rollout and naming ceremony at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla.

In total, the service plans to buy at least 144 F-15EXs to replace the F-15C/D fleet, which has an average age of 37 years and is starting to endure structural strain. The totality of the Air National Guard's F-15C/D fleet will be replaced by either F-15EXs or F-35As, said Lt. Gen. Mike Loh, Air National Guard director.

The F-15EX includes a series of upgrades when compared to the older F-15C Eagle and F-15E Strike Eagle models, including the Eagle Passive/Active Warning and Survivability System electronic warfare system, a digital cockpit, the more advanced ADCP-II mission computer from Honeywell, and fly-by-wire flight controls.

..../....

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2021/04/07/the-f-15ex-has-a-new-name/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/04/2021 | 09:33 uur
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The Air Force's newest fighter, the F-15EX Eagle II, was revealed and named during a ceremony, April 7, 2021, at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla. The aircraft will be the first Air Force aircraft to be tested and fielded from beginning to end, through combined developmental and operational tests. (U.S. Air Force photo by Samuel King Jr.)

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2564394/f-15ex-eagle-ii-unveiled-as-newest-fighter/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/04/2021 | 11:04 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 08/04/2021 | 10:56 uur
Creatief.

Gemak dient de mens en ze hebben in de VS genoeg ervaring met dit soort naamgevingen : A-4M Skyhawk II, A-7 Corsair II, AV-8B Harrier II, F-4 Phantom II, F-5E Tiger II, etc.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/04/2021 | 10:15 uur
Airbus, Dassault agree on industrial terms for New Generation Fighter

07 APRIL 2021

by Gareth Jennings

Airbus and Dassault have agreed on industrial terms for the New Generation Fighter (NGF) element of the Franco-German-Spanish Future Combat Air System (FCAS)/Système de Combat Aérien Futur (SCAF).

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The New Generation Fighter of the Next-Generation Weapon System, which is itself part of the wider FCAS/SCAF. The industrial leads of Airbus, Dassault have now agreed on terms ahead of the launch of Phase 1B of the programme. (Janes/Gareth Jennings)

The French Senate announced on 6 April that the agreement reached on the NGF project is "a major turning point" in the programme after months of wrangling between the two industry partners, and now clears the way for the launch of Phase 1B of the programme.

"The agreement removes the main obstacle to the launch of a demonstrator of the programme, which should fly in 2026 or 2027. This is a major turning point," said the Senate Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee.

As noted by the Senate, the agreement will first need to be validated in the coming weeks by the German Bundestag before the demonstrator phase can formally commence. From my recent exchanges with several of my colleagues from the Bundestag, I am rather optimistic, which was not the case even a few weeks ago. I call on them to support this historic project, which gives very concrete content to the European strategic autonomy," Christian Cambon, chairman of the committee, said.

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Bericht door: pz op 09/04/2021 | 17:43 uur
South Korea Has Just Unveiled A prototype Of Its First Domestically Developed KF-21 "Boramae"

https://theaviationist.com/2021/04/09/south-korea-has-just-unveiled-a-prototype-of-its-first-domestically-developed-kf-21-boramae/

South Korea's President Moon Jae-in unveiled the first prototype of the KF-X, the next-generation fighter developed by KAI (Korea Aerospace Industries), on Apr. 9, 2021. Dubbed the KF-21 "Boramae" (Korean for "Hawk"), the aircraft is a low-cost, less-stealthy alternative to the American F-35, that the ROKAF (Republic Of Korea Air Force) plans to field by the 2030s, to replace its fleet of ageing F-4E Phantom and F5E/F Tiger II aircraft.

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https://youtu.be/sZ4ENIrMyIY

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/04/2021 | 12:26 uur
"F-35 blijft voor op tegenstanders" | Interview ex-Top Gun commandant

https://www.upinthesky.nl/2021/04/10/f-35-blijft-voor-op-tegenstanders-interview-ex-top-gun-commandant/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/04/2021 | 10:03 uur
Continued service for USMC AV-8B

PUBLISHED: 12 APRIL 2021   LAST UPDATED: 12 APRIL 2021

The US Marine Corps (USMC) announced that the AV-8B Harrier II will continue to be used by its squadrons and six aircraft detachments on board amphibious assault ships and forward operating land bases until 2029.

This despite the arrival of the F-35B, so the USMC facilitates dual-site operations that allows the fulfillment of continuous unit deployment programme requirements.

The USMC currently has four active operational AV-8B squadrons comprised of sixteen aircraft each. The Corps also operates a Fleet Replenishment Squadron (FRS) that operates the AV-8B and TAV-8B trainer.

The USMC will maintain these five squadrons until 2022. Marine Attack Squadron (VMA) 214 Black Sheep, based on the US West Coast, will complete the transition to the F-35 in 2023 while the East Coast will maintain the AV-8B Harrier II until 2028.

The current AV-8B active inventory consists of 124 aircraft. There are sixteen TAV-8Bs, 34 night attack variants, and 74 so called radar aircraft.

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MCAS Cherry Point MCAS (NC), Marine Air Group 14

VMA-223* Bulldogs AV-8B, AV-8B+, AV-8B+(R) "WP-xx"
VMA-231 Ace of Spades AV-8B, AV-8B+, AV-8B+(R) "CG-xx"
VMA-542 Flying Tigers AV-8B, AV-8B+, AV-8B+(R) "WH-xx"
VMAT-203 Hawks AV-8B, AV-8B+, AV-8B+(R), TAV-8B, TAV-8B+ "KD-xx"

* VMA-223 is currently deployed with six Harriers and assigned to the 24the MEU on board the USS Iwo Jima (LHD-7) as part of VMM-162(R)

MCAS Yuma MCAS-Yuma Intl (AZ), Marine Air Group 13

VMA-214 Black Sheep AV-8B, AV-8B+, AV-8B+(R) "WE-xx"

Although the end is in-sight, the AV-8Bs will continue to be upgraded. Over the next years these modification programmes will contain avionics and software upgrades, like capabilities to carry AIM-9X Sidewinder Block II short-range air-to-air missile and AIM-120C Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM), integration of LITENING Advanced Tactical Data Link (ATDL) to expand the capabilities of the current Gen 4 LITENING Pod as well as LINK-16, accurate navigation upgrades, Mode 5/S, ADS-B out, Helmet Mounted Cueing System (HMCS) and an upgraded survivability equipment.

The LITENING is an electro-optical infrared sensor system for targeting and surveillance that enables aircrews to detect, acquire, identify and track targets at long ranges. LITENING enables a wide range of missions, including precision targeting, close air support, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, and humanitarian assistance.

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Photos: Lance Cpl Jailine Martinez and Manolito Jaarsma, both via Scramble Archive

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/continued-service-for-usmc-av-8b
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/04/2021 | 22:10 uur
Luftwaffe Eurofighters get Meteor BVRAAM

19 APRIL 2021

by Gareth Jennings

The German Air Force (Luftwaffe) has begun equipping its Eurofighter combat aircraft with the MBDA Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM), the service announced on 16 April.

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Luftwaffe ground crew load a Meteor BVRAAM aboard a Eurofighter combat aircraft. The service has now begun fielding the missile with the introduction of the P2Eb software on the aircraft. (MBDA)

The installation of the first Phase 2 Enhancements B (P2Eb) software aboard Luftwaffe Eurofighters means that for the first time the service is able to carry the Meteor BVRAAM for homeland air-defence and NATO air-policing duties.

"A new milestone in our Eurofighter fleet," the Luftwaffe announced. "The new P2Eb software allows us to use Meteor. The update was made for the first time by TLG [Taktisches Luftwaffengeschwader: Tactical Air Force Wing] 74 [at Neuburg Air Base near Munich]."

With a published speed of more than Mach 4 and a range in excess of 100 km, the Meteor has been described by industry and military officials as providing a step-change in air-to-air combat capabilities. Whereas similar-type missiles have a relatively short boost-phase after launch, after which they glide to the target while bleeding energy, the Meteor's ramjet means it is propelled up to the point of impact. This reduces the adversary aircraft's chances of escaping the missile and gives the pilot more assurance of success when engaging enemy aircraft.

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Bericht door: A.J. op 21/04/2021 | 21:03 uur
De Turken zijn nu officieel het F35 programma uitgekicked.

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US officially notifies Turkey of removal from F-35 program

The United States has officially notified Turkey that it has been removed from the F-35 fighter jet program, state-run Anadolu Agency reported on April 21. After terminating a 2006 memorandum of understanding, the United States signed a new agreement with other signatories, Anadolu Agency quoted a Pentagon official as saying. 

The United States has officially notified Turkey that it has been removed from the F-35 fighter jet program, Turkey's state-run Anadolu Agency quoted a Pentagon official as saying. 

The United States terminated a 2006 memorandum of understanding (MoU) that had been signed by nine partner countries, including Turkey, the Pentagon official reportedly said.

The remaining eight partners signed a new memorandum of understanding and the new situation was conveyed to Ankara.

The U.S., U.K., Italy, Netherlands, Canada, Australia, Denmark and Norway are the signatories of the latest MoU.

Ankara had ordered more than 100 stealth fighters and has been making parts for their production, but was removed from the program in 2019 after it bought the Russian S-400 missile defense systems, which Washington says threaten the F-35s.

In December, the United States imposed sanctions on Turkey over the S-400s, targeting its defense industry and top sector officials. Ankara hired U.S law firm Arnold & Porter to lobby for readmission into the program.

Despite Turkey's removal from the program, the Pentagon previously said it will continue to depend on Turkish contractors for key F-35 components.

Turkey and the United States have been at odds over a host of issues in recent years, from the S-400s and its implications to differences in Syria policy. Ankara says it hopes for better ties under U.S. President Joe Biden.

Duvar English (https://www.duvarenglish.com/us-officially-notifies-turkey-of-removal-from-f-35-program-news-57182)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/04/2021 | 12:06 uur
The F-35 is Combat Ready and Combat Proven

April 20, 2021

Did you know the F-35 is proven in combat with six services having employed the aircraft in combat operations or NATO missions? Highlighted below are some of the ways the F-35 is delivering impressive results for the warfighter today.
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https://www.f35.com/f35/news-and-features/the-f35-is-combat-ready-and-combat-proven.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/04/2021 | 11:10 uur
Air-to-Air Missiles Program Office hits new milestone

Published: Apr 22, 2021

NAVAL AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND, PATUXENT RIVER, Md. -- The Air-to-Air Missiles Program Office (PMA-259) International Programs team has reached a first-time Foreign Military Sales (FMS) portfolio value of $3 Billion for 34 countries and two NATO member countries.

The United Arab Emirates (UAE), an existing international partner, finalized an agreement with the U.S. this March to procure the F-35 Lightning II, Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) aircraft and requested additional AIM-9X Block II+ missiles for external carriage on the JSF.

The International Programs team's mission is to foster continuous, long-term international relationships between the U.S. and international partner countries. Their primary international security cooperation focus is on the advanced fifth-generation Infra-red AIM-9X weapon system, the AIM-9X Block I and Block II/II+ Sidewinder missile. Almost 3,000 AIM-9X Block II/II+ missiles have been procured on behalf of 25 countries globally. The FMS team leading the effort has accounted for an average of 267 FMS missiles procured each year since 2012.

"Our team continues to support the advancement of U.S. strategic objectives by establishing and growing key allied partnerships via NAVAIR's Security Cooperation Program," said Al Teeney, PMA-259's deputy program manager for International Programs.

The International Programs team supports all 36 international partners and organizations for all of their inventory requirements and needs. The FMS team is promoting NAVAIR's Building Partner Capacity goals regarding the AIM-9X missile until its program of record ends in 2035. Until then, the International Programs team plans to hit another monetary milestone and continue expanding its international partnerships at an ever-growing rate.

The PMA-259 International Programs team manages 109 FMS cases and is composed of 25 U.S. civilians as well as 16 contract support specialist personnel.

By Katie Ursitti, PMA-259 Communications

Public Affairs Officer Contact:
301-342-6439

https://www.navair.navy.mil/news/Air-Air-Missiles-Program-Office-hits-new-milestone/Thu-04222021-0913
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/04/2021 | 11:22 uur
@the35JPO (22-04-2021)

CitaatLightning on the Lincoln ⚡ ⚓ A @USMC #F35C, assigned to VMFA-314, lands on the flight deck of the @USNavy aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln (@CVN_72). The Abraham Lincoln is conducting routine operations in the U.S. 3rd Fleet AOR.

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https://twitter.com/theF35JPO/status/1385247405420032003

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/04/2021 | 22:56 uur
Indian Air Force completes first Rafale fighter squadron

23 APRIL 2021

by Gabriel Dominguez & Rahul Bedi

The Indian Air Force's (IAF's) first squadron equipped with Dassault Rafale multirole fighter aircraft is now complete after the final four aircraft arrived at Jamnagar Air Force Station (AFS) in western India on 21 April.

The aircraft, which flew non-stop from Dassault's facility in Bordeaux–Merignac using in-flight refuelling provided by the air forces of France and the United Arab Emirates, are part of an order for 36 Rafales placed by the IAF in 2016 for EUR7.9 billion (USD9.5 billion).

The recently delivered fighters will be stationed at Ambala AFS in northern India – near India's disputed border with Pakistan – where they will supplement 14 similar aircraft operated from that base by the IAF's No 17 'Golden Arrow' Squadron.

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he final four of 18 Rafale fighters needed to complete the IAF's No 17 'Golden Arrow' Squadron at Ambala AFS arrived in India on 21 April. Delivery of 18 additional aircraft to equip the IAF's second Rafale is expected to begin within the next few weeks. (Via Embassy of India in France)

Air Chief Marshal R K S Bhaduria, who is on a five-day visit to France until 23 April, had flagged off the four Rafales from Bordeaux-Merignac. At the ceremony the ACM said that by delivering the Rafales "a little bit" ahead of schedule, France has contributed to the IAF's overall combat potential.

Within the next few weeks Dassault is expected to begin aircraft deliveries for the IAF's second Rafale squadron, which will operate from Hasimara AFS in northeastern India, close to the country's disputed border with China. These aircraft are set to be inducted into the IAF's No 101 'Falcons' Squadron, which will also comprise 18 fighters. Deliveries are likely to be completed by late 2022 or early 2023.

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Bericht door: pz op 29/04/2021 | 13:27 uur
Final Quotations for HX Fighter Programme Received

https://www.defmin.fi/en/topical/press_releases_and_news/final_quotations_for_hx_fighter_programme_received.11940.news#7b04948f

The Finnish Defence Forces Logistics Command has received the final quotations for the HX Programme from five fighter manufacturers. Next, the quotations will be evaluated in line with the invitation for tenders and the programme's decision model to make a procurement proposal. After the evaluation of quotations is completed in autumn 2021, the Finnish Government will decide on the procurement, on proposal by the Ministry of Defence, at the end of 2021.

In January 2021, the Finnish Defence Forces sent a specified invitation to tender to the governments of France, Great Britain, Sweden and the United States, to be forwarded to five manufacturers of multi-role fighters in these countries. The aircraft types in question are Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet (United States), Dassault Rafale (France), Eurofighter Typhoon (Great Britain), Lockheed Martin F-35 (United States) and Saab Gripen (Sweden). The deadline was set at the end of April 2021 and the Logistics Command received final and binding quotations from these five aircraft manufacturers.

The final quotations contain information on the comprehensive solution and package, built around each multi-role fighter option; the aim is to create the best possible capability for Finland's defence system while replacing the Hornet fleet. Within the maximum budget set for the programme, the tenderers were asked to prepare a performance package that meets the set requirements and includes not only the aircraft but also other technical systems, training systems, necessary maintenance equipment, test equipment and spare parts, along with weapons, sensors and other required type-specific support functions. The programme costs add up to EUR 10 billion.

The Parliament has approved an authorisation order of EUR 9.4 billion to procure multi-role fighters to replace the Hornet fleet. The transferable appropriation of EUR 579 million for five years will ensure that the procured system will be introduced as part of Finland's defence system. EUR 21 million was granted to cover the costs arising from the preparation of the programme.

The HX options of different tenderers differ as to the costs of taking into use, construction needs and integration into the defence system. Each tenderer was, therefore, given a tenderer-specific price limit, and, in addition, a similar option was included in the final invitation for tenders for each tenderer in view of later purchases and contractual changes. The price ceiling set for each tenderer is about EUR 9 billion.

Evaluation of tenders

Selecting a multi-role fighter is based on four considerations: the multi-role fighter's military capability, security of supply, industrial cooperation and costs. Security and defence policy implications will be assessed separately outside of the actual tendering process. In addition, it is required that the terms of the contract proposed by the HX tenderer to be selected are acceptable.

Since the procurement will have an impact on the Defence Forces' operational capability and will define the Finnish Air Force's combat capability into the 2060s, it is important to select a system with the best possible capabilities, including supporting elements and development capacity over the entire life cycle.

The manufacturer must be able to provide industrial cooperation solutions and a maintenance system that meet the requirements while also ensuring operability in emergencies and sufficient capacity to operate independently in emergencies. It must be possible to cover the operating and maintenance costs of the selected system from the defence budget.

When a tenderer passes the requirements regarding security of supply, industrial cooperation and costs, it will then be subjected to a final phase of capability assessment. A capability assessment will be made in phases, taking into account the packages offered and the capability values verified on the basis of testing events. In the last phase, a long-term war game will be simulated to determine the operational efficiency of each candidate's HX system. The Defence Forces' proposal on the system to be selected will be based on the outcome of the war game and an assessment of the future development potential. The Finnish Government will make the procurement decision.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 30/04/2021 | 14:15 uur
Saab Delivers its Best and Final Offer for Finland

Saab has, with strong support from the Swedish Government, submitted its Best and Final Offer (BAFO) to the Finnish defence procurement agency for the Finnish HX fighter procurement. The proposal comprises 64 Gripen E fighter aircraft and an extensive weapons package, as well as two GlobalEye Airborne Early Warning & Control (AEW&C) aircraft. This constitutes the response to the customer's January 2021 request for a BAFO. Finland is replacing the capability provided by its current fleet of F/A-18 C/D Hornet aircraft.

https://www.saab.com/newsroom/press-releases/2021/saab-delivers-its-best-and-final-offer-for-finland

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 30/04/2021 | 20:17 uur
F-35 Best and Final Offer Submitted to Finnish Government

The 5th Generation F-35 provides unmatched capabilities, security of supply and industrial opportunities for Finland

FORT WORTH, Texas, April 30, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- The U.S. government and Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT) submitted an F-35 best and final offer (BAFO) on April 29, 2021, to the Finnish government in support of its competition to replace its current fighter fleet.

The F-35 offering is a total package that includes F-35A aircraft and a sustainment solution tailored to meet Finnish security of supply requirements to support all operational needs if in a closed border scenario. The BAFO also includes many first-of-a-kind opportunities for Finnish industry to work directly on F-35 production and sustainment.

"The F-35 will provide Finnish industries high technology job opportunities that no other competitor can offer," said Bridget Lauderdale, F-35 Program vice president and general manager. "The production work will continue for more than 20 years, and the F-35 sustainment work will continue into the 2050s. Not only will Finland support its own F-35s, but it will directly support the global fleet of F-35s through the production of major components."

Through indirect industrial participation projects outside of F-35 production, Lockheed Martin will also build partnerships with Finnish companies and academic institutions that offer opportunities focused on developing and advancing security collaborations.

With stealth technology, supersonic speed, advanced sensors, weapons capacity and increased range, the F-35 is the most advanced, survivable and connected aircraft in the world. It is also the most affordable solution for the Finnish Air Force's future fighter fleet as the only 5th Generation fighter at the cost of 4th Generation aircraft.

To date, the F-35 has been selected by 13 nations and operates from 27 bases worldwide, with nine nations operating F-35s on their home soil. More than 630 F-35s are in service today, with more than 1,300 pilots and 10,380 maintainers trained on the aircraft. 

PR Newswire (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/f-35-best-and-final-offer-submitted-to-finnish-government-301280909.html)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 30/04/2021 | 20:20 uur
Alleen Boeing en SAAB hebben tot vandaag absolute aantallen genoemd in de BAFO.

Saab 64 en Boeing heeft ook 64 vliegtuigen aangeboden waaronder ook Growlers wat ik begreep.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 30/04/2021 | 22:01 uur
Citaat van: pz op 30/04/2021 | 20:20 uur
Alleen Boeing en SAAB hebben tot vandaag absolute aantallen genoemd in de BAFO.

Saab 64 en Boeing heeft ook 64 vliegtuigen aangeboden waaronder ook Growlers wat ik begreep.

We gaan wel zien wat de uitkomst gaat worden. Ik gok op de F35, zeker gezien de Finse grens met Rusland.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/05/2021 | 11:48 uur
@US_EUCOM (30-04-2021)

Citaat"F-35 greatly sharpens our indications & warnings, command & control, & mission command. Alongside current & future investments by our #Allies & Partners, we look forward to the arrival of this capability at @48FighterWing later this year." - Gen Wolters #WeAreNATO @HQUSAFEAFAF

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https://twitter.com/US_EUCOM/status/1388052770549284864
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/05/2021 | 22:55 uur
France to sell Egypt 30 fighter jets in $4.5 bln deal -report

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/france-sell-30-rafale-fighter-jets-egypt-investigative-website-2021-05-03/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 04/05/2021 | 08:24 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 04/05/2021 | 08:19 uur
Mooie deal.
Bizar als je ziet wat die lui allemaal hebben vliegen. En dat terwijl het gewoon een ontwikkelings land is dat continue op het punt van ontsporing richting failed state staat.

Ook hun marine laat die van ons inmiddels, wat materiaal betreft, verbleken....

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 04/05/2021 | 15:44 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 04/05/2021 | 08:19 uur
Mooie deal.
Bizar als je ziet wat die lui allemaal hebben vliegen. En dat terwijl het gewoon een ontwikkelings land is dat continue op het punt van ontsporing richting failed state staat.
Err, volgens een schatting van het Internationaal Monetair Fonds (IMF) staat Egypte qua Bruto Binnenlands Product (BBP) voor 2021 op de 21ste plaats, op nummer 20 staat Polen.  Nederland staat op 27 en Belgie op 37.  Dit BBP lijstje is overigens gebaseerd op koopkracht vergelijkende omstandigheden.
Gaan we naar de nominale BBP kijken.  Dan staat Egypte op de 34ste plaats, net boven Denemarken.  Terwijl Nederland dan op de 17de plaats staat en Belgie op 24.
Niet tourisme, of het Suez-kanaal, maar de circa ruim 3 miljoen in het buitenland werkende Egyptenaren zorgen voor een vele miljarden grote buitenlandse valuta stroom naar hun thuisland toe.  Volgens de Wereldbank bereikte deze binnenkomende cash-flow in 2012 een record hoogte van USD 21 miljard.
Egypte is in Afrika de grootste niet-OPEC producent van aardolie en aardgas.

Van de VS ontvangen ze jaarlijks, afhankelijk van de geraadpleegde bron, ruwweg USD 1,5 - 2,2 miljard aan militaire steun.
Saoedi-Arabie en de Golfstaten zien Egypte als een sleutel-bondgenoot, die cruciaal is in de geo-politieke strijd tegen het Moslimbroederschap, het shi'itische Iran, het terrorisme. Het vastgelopen containerschip, liet weer eens fijntjes zien hoe belangrijk een open Suez-kanaal is.  Dus ontvangen ze uit deze landen al vele decennia voor vele miljarden olie-dollars aan militaire steun.
Egypte krijgt ook traditie getrouw (politieke) steun vanuit Groot-Britannie en vooral Frankrijk.  En in toenemende mate van ... Rusland en China.
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/05/2021 | 11:58 uur
Project Strike Rodeo: F-15E loaded with five JASSMs

/ Published May 11, 2021

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An F-15E Strike Eagle is loaded with five JASSMs at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., May 11, 2021 as part of Project Strike Rodeo. Led by the 85th Test and Evaluation Squadron, Project Strike Rodeo is a munitions proof-of-concept that lays the foundation for follow-on flight testing that would more than double the F-15E's current JASSM-carrying capacity.

EGLIN AIR FORCE, Fla. -- The 85th Test and Evaluation Squadron completed a munitions proof-of-concept called Project Strike Rodeo, May 11, 2021, that validated loading five AGM-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles (JASSM) on an F-15E Strike Eagle. This lays the foundation for follow-on flight testing that would more than double the F-15E's current JASSM-carrying capacity.

According to Lt. Col. Mike Benitez, 53rd Wing director of staff, the grass-roots initiative started in January 2021 during a WEPTAC working group. A team of expert tacticians were working through a specific scenario that relied on the ability to escort a bomber loaded with stand-off munitions to a release point in a highly-contested environment.

Some warfighters hypothesized that using a formation of fighters instead of a single bomber to employ the JASSM salvo could not only reduce the size and complexity of the strike package required to execute the mission, it would also distribute mission risk across the force. Unfortunately, the maximum number of JASSMs any fighter can currently carry is two, meaning though the idea is feasible it wasn't viable based on the number of fighters required, unless... a fighter could carry more JASSMs.

With this idea in mind, the F-15E Strike Eagle was the platform considered for taking on the task of carrying more JASSMs, and Project Strike Rodeo was born. Unfortunately, the munitions would not fit on the conformal fuel tank weapons stations of the F-15E, as JASSM was designed to be loaded directly from the base of their shipping containers, which is too large to fit under the F-15E without hitting the main landing gear.

A small Eglin-based team was formed comprising multiple units within the 53d Wing, 96 Test Wing, and the Air Force Life Cycle Management Center to find a solution. Using Squadron Innovation Funds, the team designed and manufactured a special loading tool and wrote new weapons loading procedures. Project Strike Rodeo then drew the interest of the F-15 System Program Office, which provided the funding to execute this load test.

"No one told us to do this," said Benitez. "We saw the need and the opportunity, so we executed. This infectious attitude drove every unit or office we coordinated with. Everyone wanted to see if we could do it, and no one ever pushed back and asked for a requirement or a formal higher headquarters tasking."

With the successful execution of this load test, Project Strike Rodeo went from idea to execution in five months.

"This is a squadron innovation effort with operational and strategic implications," said Benitez. "Project Strike Rodeo is all about creating options for combatant commanders, which ultimately can be used to create multiple dilemmas for the adversary."

https://www.53rdwing.af.mil/News/Article/2603257/project-strike-rodeo-f-15e-loaded-with-five-jassms/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/05/2021 | 22:53 uur
Navy completes F/A-18, AARGM-ER flight with separation test vehicle

Published: May 7, 2021

(https://www.navair.navy.mil/sites/g/files/jejdrs536/files/styles/crop_16_9/public/210422-N-UZ648-281.jpg?itok=ZGqYXGgR)
An F/A-18 flies with an Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile – Extended Range (AARGM-ER) during a captive carry flight test at Patuxent River Air Station in Maryland.  The Navy is integrating AARGM-ER on the F/A-18E/F and EA-18G, and will be compatible for integration of the F-35.  (U.S. Navy photo)

Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Md. -- The U.S. Navy completed an Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile – Extended Range (AARGM-ER)  captive carry flight on an F/A-18 Super Hornet April 22 at Patuxent River in support of the first live fire event this spring.

This flight marked the first time the AARGM-ER weapon demonstrated it could communicate with the F/A-18 E/F aircraft.  The Separation Test Vehicle (STV) used its hardware and software to facilitate the controlled free flight.

"Data collected from this testing will support expansion of flight testing with AARGM-ER to the full performance envelope of F/A-18 Super Hornet", said Capt. Mitch Commerford, program manager for Direct and Time Sensitive Strike program office (PMA-242).  "This flight represents a significant step in the AARGM-ER engineering and manufacturing development phase."

During the test, the F/A-18 Super Hornet conducted a series of aerial maneuvers in order to evaluate compatibility of the AARGM-ER with the F/A-18 Super Hornet.  The test points completed during this flight test event substantiated F/A-18 carriage compatibility.

AARGM-ER is being integrated on the F/A-18E/F and EA-18G, and will be compatible for integration of the F-35.  By leveraging the U.S. Navy's AARGM program that's in Full Rate Production, the AARGM-ER with a new rocket motor and warhead will provide advanced capability to detect and engage enemy air defense systems.

(https://www.navair.navy.mil/sites/g/files/jejdrs536/files/styles/crop_16_9/public/210422-N-UZ648-129.jpg?itok=D8FYlbro)
An F/A-18 conducts a captive carry flight with an Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile – Extended Range (AARGM-ER) April 22 at Patuxent River Naval Air Station in Maryland. ( U.S. Navy photo)

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https://www.navair.navy.mil/news/Navy-completes-FA-18-AARGM-ER-flight-separation-test-vehicle/Fri-05072021-1035
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/05/2021 | 10:23 uur
The Air Force Is Planning For a Future Without the F-22

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2021/05/air-force-planning-future-without-f-22/174001/ via @DefenseOne
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/05/2021 | 12:29 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/05/2021 | 10:23 uur
The Air Force Is Planning For a Future Without the F-22


Het interessante is: de ontwikkelingstijdlijn van NGAD lijkt (zeer) voorspoedig te verkopen en de vraag doemt op: wat gaat de F16 in de VS vervangen. Recente berichten spreken over een clean sheet 4,5 gen. model.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 13/05/2021 | 12:59 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/05/2021 | 12:29 uur
Het interessante is: de ontwikkelingstijdlijn van NGAD lijkt (zeer) voorspoedig te verkopen en de vraag doemt op: wat gaat de F16 in de VS vervangen. Recente berichten spreken over een clean sheet 4,5 gen. model.

Wat heeft de f35 dan vervangen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/05/2021 | 13:04 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 13/05/2021 | 12:59 uur
Wat heeft de f35 dan vervangen?

Tot nu toe bij de USAF/AFres/ANG zijn diverse F-16 wings vervangen door de F-35A. Eind dit jaar komt op RAF Lakenheath de eerste F-35A en dan moet blijken of de Eagles en Strike Eagles daar blijven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/05/2021 | 13:11 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 13/05/2021 | 12:59 uur
Wat heeft de f35 dan vervangen?

Een minder groot deel dan oorspronkelijk verwacht van legacy fighters.

De Amerikanen gaan dus simpelweg niet het prognose aantal F35A/B/C halen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/05/2021 | 13:21 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/05/2021 | 13:11 uur
Een minder groot deel dan oorspronkelijk verwacht van legacy fighters.

De Amerikanen gaan dus simpelweg niet het prognose aantal F35A/B/C halen.

Dat is ook niet zo vreemd, omdat de productie nog niet full rate is. Wel hebben alle krijgsmachtdelen al diverse wings en squadrons aangewezen. De meeste eenheden gaan over op nieuwe Block 4 toestellen. Verder bestellen zij altijd wat meer voor het geval er moet worden afgeschreven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/05/2021 | 13:33 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/05/2021 | 13:21 uur
Dat is ook niet zo vreemd, omdat de productie nog niet full rate is. Wel hebben alle krijgsmachtdelen al diverse wings en squadrons aangewezen. De meeste eenheden gaan over op nieuwe Block 4 toestellen. Verder bestellen zij altijd wat meer voor het geval er moet worden afgeschreven.

De mix wordt/blijft high end / low end.

NGAD + F35ABC
F15EX+ F15C/FX?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/05/2021 | 13:38 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/05/2021 | 13:33 uur
De mix wordt/blijft high end / low end.

NGAD + F35ABC
F15EX+ F15C/FX?

Eerst maar zien hoe snel dat clean sheet 'F-16' vervangingsontwerp klaar is. Als de USAF net als met de F-16 allerlei eisen gaat toevoegen, dan zijn zij weer terug bij af. Verder had de F-15EX een mooie vervanger van de inmiddels oude F-15E Strike Eagle kunnen zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/05/2021 | 14:10 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/05/2021 | 13:38 uur
Eerst maar zien hoe snel dat clean sheet 'F-16' vervangingsontwerp klaar is. Als de USAF net als met de F-16 allerlei eisen gaat toevoegen, dan zijn zij weer terug bij af. Verder had de F-15EX een mooie vervanger van de inmiddels oude F-15E Strike Eagle kunnen zijn.

Als je het stuk leest, dan lijkt dat ook een reële mogelijkheid.

Hoe dan ook elke F15EX en elke eventuele FX gaat af van het aantal oorspronkelijk geplande  aantal F35 varianten. (wat wij zullen gaan merken in exploitatie van ons zeer bescheiden aantal F35's).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/05/2021 | 14:39 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/05/2021 | 14:10 uur
Als je het stuk leest, dan lijkt dat ook een reële mogelijkheid.

Hoe dan ook elke F15EX en elke eventuele FX gaat af van het aantal oorspronkelijk geplande  aantal F35 varianten. (wat wij zullen gaan merken in exploitatie van ons zeer bescheiden aantal F35's).

Wat nogal eens wordt vergeten is dat de top van de Amerikaanse krijgsmacht de boel op scherp zet om hun budgetten te krijgen en ook fabrikanten direct of indirect dwingen om de kosten te drukken. Ook verklaarden diverse generaals en admiraals in de laatste hearing dat men niet zonder de F-35 kan.

Naar mijn mening wordt de soep niet zo heet gegeten als dat het wordt opgediend.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/05/2021 | 14:40 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/05/2021 | 14:39 uur
Wat nogal eens wordt vergeten is dat de top van de Amerikaanse krijgsmacht de boel op scherp zet om hun budgetten te krijgen en ook fabrikanten direct of indirect dwingen om de kosten te drukken. Ook verklaarden diverse generaals en admiraals in de laatste hearing dat men niet zonder de F-35 kan.

Naar mijn mening wordt de soep niet zo heet gegeten als dat het wordt opgediend.

Dat is uiteraard waar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 13/05/2021 | 15:45 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 13/05/2021 | 14:39 uur
Wat nogal eens wordt vergeten is dat de top van de Amerikaanse krijgsmacht de boel op scherp zet om hun budgetten te krijgen en ook fabrikanten direct of indirect dwingen om de kosten te drukken. Ook verklaarden diverse generaals en admiraals in de laatste hearing dat men niet zonder de F-35 kan.

Naar mijn mening wordt de soep niet zo heet gegeten als dat het wordt opgediend.
Feit is en blijft dat de luchtmachten totaal niet financieel in staat zijn om al hun 'teenfighter' vloten volledig te vervangen door het F-35 LightningII.
De kleine luchtmachten zoals de Klu willen of kunnen geen gemixte jachtvliegtuigvloot aanhouden.  En zijn dan gedwongen om een te kleine vloot F-35A's aan te schaffen.

De grote luchtmachten gaan wel voor een gemixte vloot bestaande uit F-35A's en F-16V block 70's en/of F-15EX-en.
Zoiets zien we al bij de Griekse luchtmacht gebeuren, die haar huidige Amerikaanse jachtvliegtuig types door zowel het F-35A als het F-16V gaan vervangen.

Wie nu nog steeds gelooft dat de US Air Force 1.763 F-35A's gaat aanschaffen, die heeft het mis.   De USAF had, heeft en zal er in de toekomst geen voldoende pecunia voor hebben.  Het mag dan ook niet verrassend zijn, dat sinds begin deze eeuw in het Congres diverse USAF fighter vloot mixen worden voorgesteld.
Waarbij het aantal F-35A's voor hen uiteindelijk 480, 858, of ruwweg 1.100 stuks wordt.  Maar een luchtmacht moet wel voldoende "massa" behouden.  Een high / low mix van F-22A / NGAD en F-35A's tegenover een forsere vloot aan F-16V (?) en / of F-15EX-en.

Het F-22A Raptor wil men dan vanaf 2030 gaan vervangen door NGAD / PCA.  De Raptor is een uitstekende kist, maar heeft een slechte inzetbaarheid en mist voldoende actieradius.  Die nodig is in een geo-politieke wereld, waar het zwaartepunt is verschoven naar Indische Oceaan en West-Pacific.
Het NGAD past ook de Japanse wens voor een Low Obervable primair lucht-overwicht & (secundair) lange-afstand interdictie / strike jachtvliegtuig.  Welke een aanzienlijk groter bereik heeft dan het F-35A.

En dan hebben we het Mysterieuze B-21 Raider.  Deze naam is niet voor niets afkomstig van Jame's Doolittle lange-afstand raid (aanval) op Tokyo met B-25 Mitchels.
Is niet alleen bedoeld als bombtruck, maar ook lange-afstand Intel Surveillance Recce (ISR) en Elektronische Oorlog Voering (EOV).
Moet USD 550 miljoen per stuk gaan kosten.  Men mikt op zijn minst op minimaal 80 a 100 kisten = USD 44 - 55 miljard.
Maar de USAF wil het liefst 175 - 200 stuks aanschaffen, maar dan moet men maar wel USD 96,25 - 110 miljard ophoesten.

Heeft niet alleen een veel groter bereik dan F-35A en F-35C, maar heeft als B-2A look alike ook veel betere Low Observable kwaliteiten dan het F-35.
En moet ook het 30.000 ponder / 13.608 kg GBU-57A/B Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) kunnen meevoeren. Een 6,25 meter lange en 80 cm 'dikke cigaar' die een cruciale missie heeft in de uitschakeling van massa vernietigingswapens  Of het 4.700 ponder / 2.132 kg GBU-28 bunker buster, deze kan de F-15E Strike Eagle wel meenemen, maar het F-35A en F-35C niet.
Dit programma zou wel eens de grootste concurrent van het F-35 betreffende de budget 'taart verdeling' kunnen zijn.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 13/05/2021 | 21:37 uur
Is al dat high tech spul niet enorm kwetsbaar aan het worden voor EMP achtige wapens? Ik heb het idee dat we straks allemaal spullen hebben die het nog geen week lang uithouden buiten een laboratorium.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/05/2021 | 10:09 uur
New Force Design: NGAD Needed Soon, F-22 Sunset Begins in 2030

https://www.airforcemag.com/new-force-design-ngad-needed-soon-f-22-sunset-begins-in-2030/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/05/2021 | 23:05 uur
Air Force Wants to Cut 421 Old Fighters, Buy 304 New Ones

https://www.airforcemag.com/air-force-wants-to-cut-421-old-fighters-buy-304-new-ones/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 16/05/2021 | 18:05 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 13/05/2021 | 21:37 uur
Is al dat high tech spul niet enorm kwetsbaar aan het worden voor EMP achtige wapens? Ik heb het idee dat we straks allemaal spullen hebben die het nog geen week lang uithouden buiten een laboratorium.
;D 'He, effuh A.J. bellen, die lost dat vervolgens op met wat kippengaas.'  Elektro Magnetisch Puls wapens bestaan al sinds de eerste Atoom bom.  Tijdens A-bom tests bleek dat elektrische apparatuur en elektronica door die EMP gesloopt werden.  Dus werden elektrisch werkende wapensystemen voortaan voorzien van EMP bescherming door het aanbrengen van een "Kooi van Faraday" (AJ zijn kippengaas).  Ik heb wel eens TNO proefopstelling gezien voor de KM.  Waarbij EMP gevoelige apparatuur werd beschermd door een frame / kooi, voorzien met ca. 50mm brede koperen bandage.

Nou is een personenauto ook in feite een Kooi van Faraday.  Maar in de jaren 80 was er een realistische doomsday film "The Day After".  Maar daar stopten door de EMP wel alle auto's.  In de jaren 90 was er een artikel in een wetenschappelijk tijdschrift.  Waarbij in de Westelijke VS een proef met een conventioneel EMP wapen werd uitgevoerd.  Echter, naast het proefterrein lag een parkeerplaats vol met auto's.  Na deze test konden de wetenschappers hun auto's niet meer aan de praat krijgen.
Want alle elektrische onderdelen onder de motorkap waren kapot.

Overigens, tegen High Power Microwave (HPM) wapens, zeg maar super-opgevoerde 'magnetron ovens', die een gerichte straal kunnen afvuren.  Blijkt een kooi van Faraday geen zin te hebben.  Zelfs de spleet tussen een romp en een inspectie / onderhoud luik kan voor een HPM wapen al voldoende zijn om binnen te dringen.

Begin deze eeuw stond er in het vakblad "De Ingenieur" een interessant artikel over Thales NL AESA radars.  Waarbij vermeld werd dat Thales NL al de technologie in handen had om haar AESA radars vernietigende elektro-magnetische stralen te kunnen laten uitzenden.

Het schijnt dat het F-22A Raptor, F-35 en de RQ-4B Block 40 Global Hawk, uitgerust met de multi-platform radar technology insertion program (MP-RTIP) AESA, beschikken over een HPM mogelijkheid.

Een game changer natuurlijk.  Maar nieuwe wapen ontwikkelingen leveren via het kat en muis spel, ook weer tegenmaatregelen op.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 16/05/2021 | 19:02 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 16/05/2021 | 18:05 uur
;D 'He, effuh A.J. bellen, die lost dat vervolgens op met wat kippengaas.'  Elektro Magnetisch Puls wapens bestaan al sinds de eerste Atoom bom.  Tijdens A-bom tests bleek dat elektrische apparatuur en elektronica door die EMP gesloopt werden.  Dus werden elektrisch werkende wapensystemen voortaan voorzien van EMP bescherming door het aanbrengen van een "Kooi van Faraday" (AJ zijn kippengaas).  Ik heb wel eens TNO proefopstelling gezien voor de KM.  Waarbij EMP gevoelige apparatuur werd beschermd door een frame / kooi, voorzien met ca. 50mm brede koperen bandage.

Zelfs de Pruttel was EMP beveiligd... Maar ik heb deze discussie al eens eerder met jou gevoerd. Een EMP is helemaal niet zo allesverwoestend als in films en series wordt voorgespiegeld... En ja, een kooi van kippengaas voldoet prima.

Jij doet net alsof alles wat ook maar een beetje in de buurt van iets elektrisch komt ontploft ofzo... Je kunt het beter vergelijken met jezelf statisch laden (wrijven aan een doek) en dan een reepje RAM geheugen vastpakken, dan heb je kans dat vanwege de statische elektriciteit je dat geheugen om zeep helpt. Pak je de computerkast op dan gebeurt er helemaal niks, hooguit krijg je zelf een schok vanwege de ontlading maar je computer blijft fijn doordraaien. Veel meer is het nl. niet.

Citaat
Nou is een personenauto ook in feite een Kooi van Faraday.  Maar in de jaren 80 was er een realistische doomsday film "The Day After". Maar daar stopten door de EMP wel alle auto's. 

Ja, en in films en series als de X-Files stoppen de auto's ook als er een ufo in de buurt landt...

Ik ken de film "The day After" prima, je moet die film in de geest van de tijd (1983) dan ook meer zien als een anti-kernwapen project met in de aftermath vooral stralingsziekte (ook zwaar gedramatiseerd) rontgenfoto's van personen (hahahaha) en wat ook heel bijzonder was is dat de auto's al stopten voordat er uberhaupt een explosie had plaatsgevonden... Je weet dat exo-atmosferisch de grootste EMP puls geeft toch? En oh ja, jaren '80 techniek in de auto's, het enige wat een beetje op een computer leek was de radio... Ergo, enorme bullshit die film maar daarom is het ook een film, entertainment dus.

Anyway, je mag dat "realistische" best weglaten hoor want dat is die film absoluut niet.

Citaat
No, an EMP attack would not disable all vehicles. According to a study conducted by the United States EMP Commission, only about 1 out of 50 vehicles are likely to be rendered inoperable. The effects of an EMP on hybrid and electric vehicles, however, have yet to be studied and is currently unknown.

Questions about the potential damage to vehicles in the aftermath of an EMP are quite common. An exhaustive study by the EMP Commission to determine the effects of an EMP on the United States (available here) were conclusive: most vehicles would survive an EMP.

U.S. EMP Commission Test Results – Key Points

    50 vehicles built between 1987 and 2002 were exposed to a spectrum of EMP blasts (up to 50kV/m in strength).
    3 out of 50 vehicles shut down while driving.
    All 3 of these vehicles continued rolling until they safely coasted to a stop.
    1 of those vehicles was disabled completely and would not restart.
    2 of those vehicle restarted without an issue.

How does the Military Protect Against EMPs?

The military is an interesting case study in EMP defense. The military not only faces the potential for natural phenomenon, like a lightning strike or solar flare, they also face the possibility of fighting against a foreign power that uses weapons to disrupt communications, navigation, aviation, and other critical aspects of warfare.

The military primarily uses a simple Faraday Cage to protect their equipment against the potential damages of an EMP attack. A Faraday Cage is a simple construction of grounded metal surrounding sensitive electronic wiring and equipment. During a surge of electromagnetic energy, such as the most severe EMPs, military equipment is protected from damage by this simple Faraday Cage.

Advanced equipment, such as jet-fighter planes, are mostly protected by the same concept. In both the case of a car and a fighter plane, military equipment is further designed and developed to operate independently of its electrical systems. Even if the electronics fail, there are a number of active fail-safes in place to operate both vehicles and airplanes by hydraulics and manual control, if necessary, to prevent a critical error and eventual crisis.

It should be pointed out that similar fail-safe systems are in place in civilian aircraft, civilian electronics,and yes, civilian automobiles.

Will Cars Still Run After an EMP? The Surprising Truth (https://www.superprepper.com/will-cars-still-run-after-an-emp/)

Wat je er verder mee doet moet je zelf maar weten.

Citaat
In de jaren 90 was er een artikel in een wetenschappelijk tijdschrift.  Waarbij in de Westelijke VS een proef met een conventioneel EMP wapen werd uitgevoerd.  Echter, naast het proefterrein lag een parkeerplaats vol met auto's.  Na deze test konden de wetenschappers hun auto's niet meer aan de praat krijgen.
Want alle elektrische onderdelen onder de motorkap waren kapot.

Bron van dit verhaal? Want ik heb ook wel eens iets gehoord van de buurman van de zwager van de neef van mijn oom...

Citaat
Overigens, tegen High Power Microwave (HPM) wapens, zeg maar super-opgevoerde 'magnetron ovens', die een gerichte straal kunnen afvuren.  Blijkt een kooi van Faraday geen zin te hebben.  Zelfs de spleet tussen een romp en een inspectie / onderhoud luik kan voor een HPM wapen al voldoende zijn om binnen te dringen.

Begin deze eeuw stond er in het vakblad "De Ingenieur" een interessant artikel over Thales NL AESA radars.  Waarbij vermeld werd dat Thales NL al de technologie in handen had om haar AESA radars vernietigende elektro-magnetische stralen te kunnen laten uitzenden.

Het schijnt dat het F-22A Raptor, F-35 en de RQ-4B Block 40 Global Hawk, uitgerust met de multi-platform radar technology insertion program (MP-RTIP) AESA, beschikken over een HPM mogelijkheid.

Een game changer natuurlijk.  Maar nieuwe wapen ontwikkelingen leveren via het kat en muis spel, ook weer tegenmaatregelen op.

"Het schijnt"... Juist ja... Allemaal hear say en vooral gebaseerd op de X-Files en aanverwante series en films.

Het is natuurlijk ook heel bijzonder dat de gebruiker weer eens helemaal niks van deze capaciteit afweet... De lui van "De Ingenieur" zullen het daarentegen wel weten...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 16/05/2021 | 19:40 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 16/05/2021 | 19:02 uur
Zelfs de Pruttel was EMP beveiligd... Maar ik heb deze discussie al eens eerder met jou gevoerd. Een EMP is helemaal niet zo allesverwoestend als in films en series wordt voorgespiegeld... En ja, een kooi van kippengaas voldoet prima.

Jij doet net alsof alles wat ook maar een beetje in de buurt van iets elektrisch komt ontploft ofzo... Je kunt het beter vergelijken met jezelf statisch laden (wrijven aan een doek) en dan een reepje RAM geheugen vastpakken, dan heb je kans dat vanwege de statische elektriciteit je dat geheugen om zeep helpt. Pak je de computerkast op dan gebeurt er helemaal niks, hooguit krijg je zelf een schok vanwege de ontlading maar je computer blijft fijn doordraaien. Veel meer is het nl. niet.

Ja, en in films en series als de X-Files stoppen de auto's ook als er een ufo in de buurt landt...
......
Anyway, je mag dat "realistische" best weglaten hoor want dat is die film absoluut niet. Wat je er verder mee doet moet je zelf maar weten.Bron van dit verhaal? Want ik heb ook wel eens iets gehoord van de buurman van de zwager van de neef van mijn oom...
"Het schijnt"... Juist ja... Allemaal hear say en vooral gebaseerd op de X-Files en aanverwante series en films.

Het is natuurlijk ook heel bijzonder dat de gebruiker weer eens helemaal niks van deze capaciteit afweet... De lui van "De Ingenieur" zullen het daarentegen wel weten...
In de jaren 90 en begin deze eeuw waren de krijgsmachten veel opener over nieuwe ontwikkelingen.  De VS, het VK, India en China werkten toen al aan Directed Energy Weapons.  En dat zijn niet allemaal laser kanonnen.
Na "911" in 2001 zag je al een trend naar meer geslotenheid.  En die trend werd nog sterker, nadat Rusland in 2007 veranderde in een strategische rivaal.  Een jaar later gevolgd door een veel assertiever wordend China.  Ik vermoed op zijn minst dat EMP en/of HPM wapens dan ook als een vorm van EOV wordt gezien.  Dus geheim.

Nee, ik zie EMP wapens niet als wonder wapens zoals in films voorgesteld.  Maar krijgsmachten zijn sinds einde van de Koude Oorlog wel veel meer COTS onderdelen gaan gebruiken.  En onze samenleving is sinds de jaren 80 in toenemende mate aan het elektrificeren en veel meer afhankelijk van elektronica.

En Huzaar1 zijn post over EMP zal echt wel niet zomaar uit de lucht komen vallen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 16/05/2021 | 19:51 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 16/05/2021 | 19:40 uur
In de jaren 90 en begin deze eeuw waren de krijgsmachten veel opener over nieuwe ontwikkelingen.  De VS, het VK, India en China werkten toen al aan Directed Energy Weapons.  En dat zijn niet allemaal laser kanonnen.
Na "911" in 2001 zag je al een trend naar meer geslotenheid.  En die trend werd nog sterker, nadat Rusland in 2007 veranderde in een strategische rivaal.  Een jaar later gevolgd door een veel assertiever wordend China.  Ik vermoed op zijn minst dat EMP en/of HPM wapens dan ook als een vorm van EOV wordt gezien.  Dus geheim.

Dat is het punt helemaal niet. Of je moet willen beweren dat het zo geheim is dat de gebruiker hier niet eens weet wat zijn in Nederland (Thales) ontwikkelde radar wel en niet kan.

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Nee, ik zie EMP wapens niet als wonder wapens zoals in films voorgesteld.  Maar krijgsmachten zijn sinds einde van de Koude Oorlog wel veel meer COTS onderdelen gaan gebruiken.  En onze samenleving is sinds de jaren 80 in toenemende mate aan het elektrificeren en veel meer afhankelijk van elektronica.

Klopt, maar bij niet kritische commerciele systemen is dat dan ook helemaal niet zo'n punt. Als jij het militair wil gaan gebruiken zitten daar gewoon eisen aan en moet het voldoen aan milspec zie ik je nog een keer, EMP bestendigheid is daar een onderdeel van. En zoals ik al eerder zei, dat is helemaal niet zo ingewikkeld.

Citaat
En Huzaar1 zijn post over EMP zal echt wel niet zomaar uit de lucht komen vallen.

Het is dan ook gewoon een terecht punt waar je rekening mee dient te houden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 17/05/2021 | 09:00 uur
Lui ik ben echt wel bekend met faraday...tering. kom niet uit een ei.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/05/2021 | 10:19 uur
AMRAAM Completes Two Free Flight Test Shots

Published: May 13, 2021

EGLIN AIR FORCE BASE, Fla. -- The Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) joint program office completed the second live fire test of the new AIM‑120D-3 missile variant, incorporating upgraded hardware into the guidance section on May 12.

The weapon safely launched from an F/A-18F Super Hornet and flew the expected flight path over the Point Mugu Sea Test Range in California. Preliminary analysis provided by the prime contractor, Raytheon Missiles & Defense, indicates all primary and secondary objectives of the shot were met.

"Completing the first two free flight shots of upgraded hardware and software is a significant milestone in the integration and test phase of the new AIM-120D-3 missile," said Col. Sean Bradley, AMRAAM Senior Materiel Leader at the U.S. Air Force's Armament Directorate. "These successes are important to the overall execution of the Form, Fit, Function Refresh (F3R) program; a program implemented to address an increasing number of production challenges due to obsolescence of various electronic components within the AIM-120."

Combined with software upgrades, AIM-120D-3 will deliver advanced capabilities to improve missile effectiveness against advanced threats for Air Force, Navy, and Allied Partners.  This missile shot from an F/A-18F Super Hornet tested the missile's safe separation autopilot and free-flight navigation capabilities.

Together, with the first shot on December 9, 2020, these shots represent a critical first in a series of developmental flight tests that provides crucial data to assess the missile's ability to acquire, track and guide to targets.

AMRAAM is the world's most sophisticated, combat-proven air dominance weapon.  With AIM-120D-3 production deliveries beginning in 2023, the AIM-120 missile will continue to meet warfighter requirements in all weather and beyond visual range engagements.  Its capabilities have been fully demonstrated in over 4,900 test shots and more than 13 air-to-air combat victories.

By: Ross Novack, Program Manager for F3R Program
Edited for clarity by PEO(T)/PMA-259 PAO

Public Affairs Officer Contact:
240-309-8076

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https://www.navair.navy.mil/news/AMRAAM-Completes-Two-Free-Flight-Test-Shots/Thu-05132021-1510

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 17/05/2021 | 17:26 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 17/05/2021 | 09:00 uur
Lui ik ben echt wel bekend met faraday...tering. kom niet uit een ei.

;D

Daar was ik dan ook echt niet bang voor.  ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/05/2021 | 18:14 uur
France, Germany and Spain strike deal over joint combat jet

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/france-germany-spain-strike-deal-over-joint-combat-jet-2021-05-17/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/05/2021 | 10:26 uur
Testing on GE's First XA100 Adaptive Cycle Engine Concludes, Proves Out Transformational Capabilities

https://www.ge.com/news/press-releases/testing-on-ges-first-xa100-adaptive-cycle-engine-concludes-proves-out
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 19/05/2021 | 17:08 uur
Air Force opens new F-16 production line for foreign military sales

By Air Force Life Cycle Management Center Public Affairs / Published May 18, 2021

WRIGHT-PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Ohio (AFNS) -- To support the growing demand for new F-16 Fighting Falcon from partner nations, the U.S. Air Force has teamed with Lockheed Martin Corp. to open a new production line to build the F-16 Block 70/72 fighter aircraft at the company's facility in Greenville, South Carolina.

Launched on Veterans Day 2019, the line is the only production facility for F-16s in the world, opening three years after the company's long-time F-16 line in Fort Worth, Texas, wrapped up production.

Recently, and on behalf of five foreign military partners, the Air Force awarded Lockheed Martin Corp. approximately $14 billion, to build 128 F-16s at the facility through 2026.

"This new production line is very significant," said Col. Brian Pearson, integrated product team lead for F-16 foreign military sales, with the Air Force Life Cycle Management Center's Fighters and Advanced Aircraft Directorate, which is leading the effort to build and deliver the new F-16s. "There are 25 nations operating F-16s today, and they have a lot of expertise with the airframe. The line helps us meet the global demand that a number of nations have for [F-16] aircraft and gives us the additional capability to provide the aircraft to countries interested in purchasing it for the first time."

The first F-16s are expected to roll off the production line in 2022, and production is expected to increase after the first year. The aircraft will be delivered to multiple foreign military partners, including Bahrain, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Taiwan, and others, many of whom have expressed interest beyond the first deliveries.

More aircraft are expected to be built in the upcoming years, and there are requests for F-16s under review from additional foreign military partners.

"Since the LM production line opened, AFSAC [AFLCMC's Air Force Security Assistance and Cooperation Directorate] has seen an uptick of our partner nations requesting detailed information and requests for U.S. government sales," said Col. Anthony Walker, International Division senior materiel leader. "We are excited about the new workload and increased opportunity to deliver airpower capabilities that strengthen international partnerships and advance national security."

In addition to leading efforts to field new F-16s, the Fighters and Advanced Aircraft Directorate is also modernizing 405 F-16s â€" operated by four partner nations â€" with the V-Configuration, which consists of new radar and other upgrades to make them similar to the aircraft that will come off the production line.

"F-16s are operational across the globe and are a key capability fortifying the security of our international partners," said Brig. Gen. Dale White, Fighters and Advanced Aircraft program executive officer. "Every F-16 we equip our foreign partners with improves their ability to defend their interests and support our mutual security interests. The caliber and talent of our foreign military sales program office teams is top-notch, and their impact is felt globally. The F-16 is an enduring, highly capable compact fighter that will have a large role in many partner nations' security for years to come."
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 21/05/2021 | 08:41 uur
F-15Es with EPAWSS allowed the F-35 to get closer to the enemy

At the recently concluded exercise Northern Edge 21, the U.S. Air Force was able to utilized the Eagle Passive Active Warning Survivability System (EPAWSS) on the F-15E to allow the F-35A to approach closer to the enemy without having to turn on its radar or electronic attack transmitters.

http://alert5.com/

Northern Edge 21 achieves operational test advances for Airmen, weapons systems
https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2626086/northern-edge-21-achieves-operational-test-advances-for-airmen-weapons-systems/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 21/05/2021 | 12:31 uur
Klinkt heel gaaf, maar in principe niets meer dan data overdracht van gegevens F-15 naar F-35 waarmee de F-35 kan opereren? Of is dit een groot ding in vliegtuig dingen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/05/2021 | 13:12 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 21/05/2021 | 12:31 uur
Klinkt heel gaaf, maar in principe niets meer dan data overdracht van gegevens F-15 naar F-35 waarmee de F-35 kan opereren? Of is dit een groot ding in vliegtuig dingen?

Met het EPAWSS systeem van de F-15 is de F-35 blijkbaar niet afhankelijk van de eigen electronic attack (EA) mogelijkheden. Overigens leest ik nergens iets over data overdracht.

CitaatThough designed as a self-protection system, at Northern Edge, testers also explored using EPAWSS to support the WEPTAC TIP of fourth-to-fifth and fifth-to-fourth generation electronic attack effectiveness.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 21/05/2021 | 13:28 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 21/05/2021 | 13:12 uur
Met het EPAWSS systeem van de F-15 is de F-35 blijkbaar niet afhankelijk van de eigen electronic attack (EA) mogelijkheden. Overigens leest ik nergens iets over data overdracht.

Hoe denk je dat die F35 dan aan die gegevens komt? Feeën?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/05/2021 | 13:43 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 21/05/2021 | 13:28 uur
Hoe denk je dat die F35 dan aan die gegevens komt? Feeën?

Via o.a. Link 16 en MADL.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 21/05/2021 | 14:05 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 21/05/2021 | 13:43 uur
Via o.a. Link 16 en MADL.

Daarmee wordt toch data overgedragen?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/05/2021 | 14:10 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 21/05/2021 | 14:05 uur
Daarmee wordt toch data overgedragen?

Ja en ik begreep je dan verkeerd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/05/2021 | 22:48 uur
France begins Rafale F4 flight trials

21 MAY 2021

by Gareth Jennings

France has launched flight trials of the latest F4 standard of the Dassault Rafale combat aircraft, the Ministry of the Armed Forces announced on 20 May.

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Two F4-1 standard Rafale combat aircraft took part in flight trials in April, flying realistic tactical scenarios alongside other French aircraft types. (Ministry of the Armed Forces)

The tests of an F4-1 configured Rafale took place out of Istres airbase in southern France from 26 to 29 April. They were conducted under the stewardship of the Directorate General of Armament (DGA).

"Eight complex missions representing 50 aircraft sorties were carried out by test crews from the DGA, the French Navy, the French Air and Space Force, and Dassault Aviation," the ministry said, adding the trials saw two Rafales configured to the F4-1 standard operate as part of a wider aerial component of up to eight aircraft, performing realistic tactical scenarios.

News of the commencement of flight trials came some two-and-a-half years after the Rafale F4 upgrade was formally launched. As noted by Dassault in January 2019, the F4-standard will include enhancements to the Thales RBE2 active electronic scanned array (AESA) radar, the Thales TALIOS long-range airborne targeting pod and the Reco NG reconnaissance pod; upgrades to the aircraft's communications suite; improved pilot helmet-mounted displays; a new engine control unit; and the ability to carry new weaponry such as the Mica Next-Generation (NG) air-to-air missile and 1,000 kg Sagem Armement Air-Sol Modulaire (AASM) modular air-to-ground precision weapon.

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/france-begins-rafale-f4-flight-trials
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/05/2021 | 10:18 uur
Raytheon looks at integrating AMRAAM-ER in F-35A internal carriage

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/raytheon-looks-at-integrating-amraam-er-in-f-35a-internal-carriage/143866.article
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 22/05/2021 | 10:36 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 22/05/2021 | 10:18 uur
Raytheon looks at integrating AMRAAM-ER in F-35A internal carriage

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/raytheon-looks-at-integrating-amraam-er-in-f-35a-internal-carriage/143866.article


Helaas achter de betaalmuur.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/05/2021 | 11:02 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 22/05/2021 | 10:36 uur
Helaas achter de betaalmuur.

Ja, inderdaad. Het artikel kon ik eerder wel meerdere keren volledig lezen  :(
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/05/2021 | 11:28 uur
F-16s Could Still be Flying Into the 2070s - Air Force Magazine

https://www.airforcemag.com/f-16s-could-still-be-flying-into-the-2070s/#.YKtxYn4xYSI.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/05/2021 | 11:49 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 22/05/2021 | 11:02 uur
Ja, inderdaad. Het artikel kon ik eerder wel meerdere keren volledig lezen  :(

Kon het weer openen, dus bij deze het complete artikel.

Raytheon looks at integrating AMRAAM-ER in F-35A internal carriage

By Garrett Reim 21 May 2021

Raytheon Missiles & Defense performed a digital fit check of its AIM-120 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile-Extended Range (AMRAAM-ER) variant inside the internal carriage of a Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth fighter.

The engineering effort confirms speculation that the company is looking at offering the extended-range variant not only as a surface-to-air weapon, but also as an air-to-air missile. The disclosure also comes after Raytheon and Kongsberg of Norway completed the first live-fire test of the AMRAAM-ER from the National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System (NASAMS) on 12 May at Andoya Space Center in Norway.

AMRAAM-ER is about 16in (40.6cm) longer than the 12ft (3.7m) conventional AMRAAM, says Steve Dickman, Raytheon's senior director for air dominance on 19 May. The variant is about 3in wider in diameter than the 7in diameter conventional missile.

"So, that's where you get your additional motor capability: a little bit of length and a little bit of diameter," he says.

The baseline extended-range variant in production today, intended for the NASAMS battery, uses a Raytheon AMRAAM-C7 guidance section, RIM-162 Evolved SeaSparrow missile rocket motor and control actuation system, Raytheon says. The next production version of AMRAAM-ER will incorporate an AMRAAM-C8 guidance section and a new rocket motor made by Nammo of Norway, along with a new control actuation system made by Kongsberg.

Dickman says the company believes the US Air Force's (USAF) F-35A could field two examples of the larger missile, one in each internal weapons bay. The F-35A can carry four of the smaller conventional AMRAAMs, two in each internal weapons bay.

Raytheon says it has not yet determined whether the AMRAAM-ER would fit inside the internal weapons bay of the Lockheed Martin F-22 fighter. Presumably, the extended-range variant could also be more easily integrated under the wings and centre-line of fourth-generation combat aircraft already fielding the conventional AMRAAM, such as the Boeing EA-18G, Boeing F/A-18E/F, Boeing F-15, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-16, and Saab JAS-39 Gripen.

"Air-launched ARMAAM-ER is not a programme of record. However, we have had discussions with potential domestic and international customers about the capability and continue to fund its development through [internal research and development]", says Raytheon. "A capability could be delivered three to four years after contract award. This timeline includes an estimate of one year for the operational testing of the new capability."

When fired from the NASAMS ground battery AMRAAM-ER has a 50% increase in range and 70% increase in altitude over the AIM-120 AMRAAM-C7, according to Kongsberg. It is not clear how that would translate to air-to-air range or performance measures. Raytheon declined to comment on details of performance.

"The AMRAAM-ER design will provide the same or similar target engagement performance as the AMRAAM-C7," the company says. "The larger rocket motor provides greater range and altitude."

The range of the AIM-120D has been reported to be about 87nm (161km). However, the exact range of the missile is classified, due to concerns about giving away information about combat aircraft limitations .

NEW SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE ADDS RANGE

Raytheon's efforts to develop an air-to-air variant of the AMRAAM-ER comes after the company demonstrated the ability to add range to its conventional AMRAAM, some 30 years after the USAF declared the missile had initial operating capability.

The USAF claims that it achieved the longest known air-to-air missile shot in March using an AIM-120D AMRAAM. As part of that test, a Boeing F-15C Eagle fired the missile at a BQM-167 subscale target drone and achieved a "kill" at an undisclosed distance.

Raytheon is finding ways to unlock greater range for the AIM-120D AMRAAM with rolling hardware and software updates, says Dickman.

"There's inherent capability beyond what they typically used it at," he says. "And, there's probably some things we could do to change flight profiles, for example, to even squeeze more range out of it. But, those are the [trade studies] that we're doing."

Nearly 25,000 examples of AMRAAM have been produced for air forces the world over. All US fighter aircraft use it as the primary beyond-visual-range missile. However, AMRAAM is facing competition from newer weapons, including MBDA's Meteor and Lockheed Martin's in-development AIM-260 Joint Advanced Tactical Missile.

The Meteor entered service in 2016 and is thought to have a range greater than the AMRAAM. The missile gets its longer reach from a solid-fueled ramjet motor, which allows it to maintain powered flight in its final stages. Solid rocket-powered missiles, like the AMRAAM, accelerate and then burn out quickly, meaning in the later stages of flight the weapon is effectively coasting – albeit at supersonic speeds – a scenario in which a target aircraft might be able to out manoeuvre it.

The Lockheed Martin AIM-260 is the USAF's intended replacement for the AIM-120 AMRAAM. The missiles range and propulsion are classified. It is partly a response to China's PL-15 missile, which is thought to have a range close to 108nm.

The USAF has said that it wants AIM-260 to reach initial operating capability as soon as 2022. Upon successful ramp-up of production of the new missile, it would buy its last AMRAAMs in fiscal year 2026, the service has said.

Still, even if production of the AMRAAM winds down in the mid-2020s, the missile will likely be in the inventories of world air forces for years after that. In March, the Pentagon granted Raytheon a $74 million contract to support flight testing and integration of AMRAAM into current fighters and "next generation platforms that may join the Air Force or Navy inventory before the end of fiscal 2029".

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/raytheon-looks-at-integrating-amraam-er-in-f-35a-internal-carriage/143866.article
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/05/2021 | 12:12 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/05/2021 | 11:28 uur
F-16s Could Still be Flying Into the 2070s - Air Force Magazine


Zou het.... een eeuw F16 varianten?

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/05/2021 | 12:16 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/05/2021 | 12:12 uur
Zou het.... een eeuw F16 varianten?

Zolang je blijft betalen voor updates en upgrades is het mogelijk.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/05/2021 | 12:23 uur
Via Twitter:

martin broek @martinbroek
Croatian daily Jutarnji says the country has decided to select the #Rafale F3R as the winner of the fighter competition. These are 2nd-hand jets that #France has offered to #Croatia. A total of are to be sold. Delivery is to start in 2024.

https://twitter.com/martinbroek/status/1396770372427657217
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 24/05/2021 | 12:37 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/05/2021 | 12:12 uur
Zou het.... een eeuw F16 varianten?

Heel goed mogelijk als je de F16 voorziet van een nieuwe radar, Avionica, glazen cockpit. Ik sluit  het gebruik van composietmateriaal in de toekomst niet uit, denk hierbij aan de neus, de staart en vleugels.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 24/05/2021 | 12:43 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/05/2021 | 12:23 uur
Via Twitter:

martin broek @martinbroek
Croatian daily Jutarnji says the country has decided to select the #Rafale F3R as the winner of the fighter competition. These are 2nd-hand jets that #France has offered to #Croatia. A total of are to be sold. Delivery is to start in 2024.

https://twitter.com/martinbroek/status/1396770372427657217

Misschien moet Zagreb maar eens contact op nemen met de Avro-Tros voor het programma opgelicht  :cute-smile: 12 tweedehands ( maximaal 10 jaar oud) Rafale F3R's verkopen voor bijna 1 miljard euro vind ik geen koopje. Dit zaakje stinkt weer naar brie :silent:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/05/2021 | 17:12 uur
Air Force Could Ditch Oldest F-35 Jets as Part of Fighter Downsizing, General Says | Military.com

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/05/24/air-force-could-ditch-oldest-f-35-jets-part-of-fighter-downsizing-general-says.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1621868632-1
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 24/05/2021 | 18:00 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 24/05/2021 | 12:43 uur
Misschien moet Zagreb maar eens contact op nemen met de Avro-Tros voor het programma opgelicht  :cute-smile: 12 tweedehands ( maximaal 10 jaar oud) Rafale F3R's verkopen voor bijna 1 miljard euro vind ik geen koopje. Dit zaakje stinkt weer naar brie :silent:

Als ik figuren als de Briganti, Elzenga en Meinen moet geloven gaan die dingen voor een rijksdaalder per stuk over de balie toch?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/05/2021 | 19:44 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 24/05/2021 | 19:21 uur
Waarom niet? Sommige van zijn generatiegenoten worden ook gewoon nog geleverd. In een nieuw jasje natuurlijk.

Het zou kunnen maar het voelt toch alsof we nu nog met een Farman HF.20 mod 11.1 zouden rondvliegen bij onze KLu.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 24/05/2021 | 22:19 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/05/2021 | 19:44 uur
Het zou kunnen maar het voelt toch alsof we nu nog met een Farman HF.20 mod 11.1 zouden rondvliegen bij onze KLu.
Ho ho, de tijd dat de vliegprestaties per zeg 5 a 10 jaar drastisch stegen ligt al ver achter ons.  Kisten zoals F-15, F-16 en F-22 vergen fysiek het uiterste van de bestuurder.
Dramatische verbeteringen vinden nu plaats in de sensoren, de verwerking en presentatie van hun data vloed en netwerk mogelijkheden.
Qua Low Oberservability zal men misschien ook nog wel een slag kunnen maken.  Maar dat maakt de kist peperduur.  Er is en blijft behoefte aan relatief eenvoudige en goedkope, dus in grote aantallen aan te schaffen jachtvliegtuigen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/05/2021 | 22:57 uur
MoD confirm Tempest jet will not be carrier capable

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/mod-confirm-tempest-jet-will-not-be-carrier-capable/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 25/05/2021 | 08:46 uur
Project Strike Rodeo: F-15E loaded with five JASSMs

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An F-15E Strike Eagle is loaded with five JASSMs at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., May 11, 2021 as part of Project Strike Rodeo. Led by the 85th Test and Evaluation Squadron, Project Strike Rodeo is a munitions proof-of-concept that lays the foundation for follow-on flight testing that would more than double the F-15E's current JASSM-carrying capacity.


The 85th Test and Evaluation Squadron completed a munitions proof-of-concept called Project Strike Rodeo, May 11, 2021, that validated loading five AGM-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles (JASSM) on an F-15E Strike Eagle. This lays the foundation for follow-on flight testing that would more than double the F-15E's current JASSM-carrying capacity.

According to Lt. Col. Mike Benitez, 53rd Wing director of staff, the grass-roots initiative started in January 2021 during a WEPTAC working group. A team of expert tacticians were working through a specific scenario that relied on the ability to escort a bomber loaded with stand-off munitions to a release point in a highly-contested environment.

Some warfighters hypothesized that using a formation of fighters instead of a single bomber to employ the JASSM salvo could not only reduce the size and complexity of the strike package required to execute the mission, it would also distribute mission risk across the force. Unfortunately, the maximum number of JASSMs any fighter can currently carry is two, meaning though the idea is feasible it wasn't viable based on the number of fighters required, unless... a fighter could carry more JASSMs.

With this idea in mind, the F-15E Strike Eagle was the platform considered for taking on the task of carrying more JASSMs, and Project Strike Rodeo was born. Unfortunately, the munitions would not fit on the conformal fuel tank weapons stations of the F-15E, as JASSM was designed to be loaded directly from the base of their shipping containers, which is too large to fit under the F-15E without hitting the main landing gear.

A small Eglin-based team was formed comprising multiple units within the 53d Wing, 96 Test Wing, and the Air Force Life Cycle Management Center to find a solution. Using Squadron Innovation Funds, the team designed and manufactured a special loading tool and wrote new weapons loading procedures. Project Strike Rodeo then drew the interest of the F-15 System Program Office, which provided the funding to execute this load test.

"No one told us to do this," said Benitez. "We saw the need and the opportunity, so we executed. This infectious attitude drove every unit or office we coordinated with. Everyone wanted to see if we could do it, and no one ever pushed back and asked for a requirement or a formal higher headquarters tasking."

With the successful execution of this load test, Project Strike Rodeo went from idea to execution in five months.

"This is a squadron innovation effort with operational and strategic implications," said Benitez. "Project Strike Rodeo is all about creating options for combatant commanders, which ultimately can be used to create multiple dilemmas for the adversary."

https://www.53rdwing.af.mil/News/Article/2603257/project-strike-rodeo-f-15e-loaded-with-five-jassms/

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(https://media.defense.gov/2021/May/11/2002639342/780/780/0/210511-F-KF149-1052.JPG)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/05/2021 | 09:53 uur
Mooie squadron markings van No. 77 Squadron RAAF. Hopelijk gaat ook de KLu hiermee door.

(Klik op afbeelding voor vergroting)
(https://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=34834&sid=7e140f38fde5b58768fd5184aef69369&mode=view)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMNk3J1h6C5/

(https://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=35446&sid=562882ba7f4af8bc0c2e4ede8318d79b&mode=view)

(https://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=34835&sid=562882ba7f4af8bc0c2e4ede8318d79b)

https://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=57722&sid=18f6217dccd532d91b5c3cb1152c4061
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/05/2021 | 23:00 uur
point of view: The Superhorns and F35 put their jokers on the table - the United States insists that it has already been by Finland's side in the Continuation War (vanuit het Fins vertaald m.b.v. Edge web browser)

Lockheed Martin offers Finland 64 F-35s. The Biden administration and the Pentagon really want to sell Finland the most effective American weapons at a price that a small government muscle is enough for," says Lauri Nurmi, policy editor.

Finland's choice of fighter jets may have took a decisive turn on Wednesday.

American manufacturers Lockheed Martin and Boeing put their jokers on the table, which are pretty strong arguments in the public eye for either American fighter.

The stealth fighter F-35 has been suspected of being too expensive for Finland throughout the HX project, i.e. the previous six years.

"The F-35 is far ahead of the fourth generation of fighter jets. It is the most capable and resilience fighter to defend Finnish territory now and for the next 40 years, Scott Davis, who is involved in Lockheed Martin's campaign in Finland, praised the plane.

And then there was a surprise.

"Our best and last offer to Finland is 64 F-35s in the budget we have been given. We really offer a fifth-generation performance at the price of a fourth-generation fighter jet, Davis told me.

The Evening Press asked separately whether something in the last few metres caused Lockheed Martin to change its offer for the better in terms of the number of machines.

Davis assured that no number other than 64 can be found in the offer submitted to the Finnish Ministry of Defence in April.

.../...

https://www.iltalehti.fi/politiikka/a/258b3171-8122-4cbe-a469-f07b9751066a
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 26/05/2021 | 23:06 uur
Zo zo,

Saab 64, Boeing 64, Lockheed martin 64.......De Finnen doen iets erg goed.....  ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 27/05/2021 | 01:10 uur
Citaat van: pz op 26/05/2021 | 23:06 uur
Zo zo,

Saab 64, Boeing 64, Lockheed martin 64.......De Finnen doen iets erg goed.....  ;)

Strategische ligging en politieke situatie en positie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/05/2021 | 09:22 uur
Russia develops new single-engine fighter aircraft

https://defence-blog.com/russia-develops-new-single-engine-fighter-aircraft/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 28/05/2021 | 06:03 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/05/2021 | 09:22 uur
Russia develops new single-engine fighter aircraft

https://defence-blog.com/russia-develops-new-single-engine-fighter-aircraft/

Ik weet niet hoe correct dit is maar dit zou mogelijk een model zijn van de single-eninge Sukhoi. Het zou gaan om een jet onder de 18 ton TOW en deze maakt gebruik van de motor van de Su-57. De Su-57 weegt leeg al 18 ton waar de F-35 slechts 13,3 ton weegt.
Via twitter @RALee85

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2VGMzsX0AYxOyu?format=png)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/05/2021 | 16:36 uur
Croatia to drop 1 billion euros on used Rafale fighter jets

Croatia's government has made a decision to buy 12 second-hand Rafale F3-R fighter jets from France for the country's Air Force, Croatian Prime Minister Andrej Plenković said.

"The purchase of the multirole fighter aircraft will strengthen Croatia's position as a member of NATO and a partner within the European Union. For the first time, we will reach 2 percent of the GDP allocated to strengthening our defense capabilities," Plenković said, as quoted in a statement released by his government.

The deal is to be worth some €999 million ($1.2 billion) and, in addition to the aircraft, it will cover weapon systems, spare parts, logistics and training. Following the cabinet's decision, Zagreb will proceed to negotiate the contract's details with Paris.

Under the plan, France is to deliver the first six twin-engine aircraft in 2024, and the remaining six Rafales will be supplied the following year. The delivered aircraft will include 10 single-seater and two twin-seater fighter jets.

..../....

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2021/05/28/croatia-to-drop-1-billion-euros-on-used-rafale-fighter-jets/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 31/05/2021 | 08:46 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/05/2021 | 09:22 uur
Russia develops new single-engine fighter aircraft

https://defence-blog.com/russia-develops-new-single-engine-fighter-aircraft/

( Net een F16 met dubbele staart, vanaf de bovenzijde gezien )

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-K_MTR0g6mcA/YLE5i5hY12I/AAAAAAACAXU/TdVKty3bcc8_EZ7bJ4114ucH14AFjG8AACLcBGAsYHQ/s800/E2UZhxiXoAYtrPN.png)

Rostec creates a single-engine lightweight supersonic stealth fighter LFI S-21

#Sukhoi is developing 1st #Russian single-engine light tactical fighter with supersonic speed & low radar signature.This was reported to TASS by a source in aircraft industry.

https://twitter.com/I30mki/status/1397551850665226241?form=MY01SV&OCID=MY01SV
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 31/05/2021 | 08:53 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 31/05/2021 | 08:46 uur
( Net een F16 met dubbele staart, vanaf de bovenzijde gezien )

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-K_MTR0g6mcA/YLE5i5hY12I/AAAAAAACAXU/TdVKty3bcc8_EZ7bJ4114ucH14AFjG8AACLcBGAsYHQ/s800/E2UZhxiXoAYtrPN.png)

Rostec creates a single-engine lightweight supersonic stealth fighter LFI S-21

#Sukhoi is developing 1st #Russian single-engine light tactical fighter with supersonic speed & low radar signature.This was reported to TASS by a source in aircraft industry.

https://twitter.com/I30mki/status/1397551850665226241?form=MY01SV&OCID=MY01SV

Vind het op een F35 lijken met wat F16 invloeden ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/05/2021 | 09:33 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 31/05/2021 | 08:53 uur
Vind het op een F35 lijken met wat F16 invloeden ;)

Beter goed gejat dan slecht bedacht  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/05/2021 | 09:55 uur
Citaat van: DefenseNews op 28/05/2021 | 16:36 uur
Croatia to drop 1 billion euros on used Rafale fighter jets

Croatia's government has made a decision to buy 12 second-hand Rafale F3-R fighter jets from France for the country's Air Force, Croatian Prime Minister Andrej Plenković said.

.../...

The deal is to be worth some €999 million ($1.2 billion) and, in addition to the aircraft, it will cover weapon systems, spare parts, logistics and training. Following the cabinet's decision, Zagreb will proceed to negotiate the contract's details with Paris.

..../....

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2021/05/28/croatia-to-drop-1-billion-euros-on-used-rafale-fighter-jets/

Extra info via Scramble over het pakket.

CitaatThe contract, valued at 999 million euro, includes a flight simulator, basic weapons package, ground and test equipment, spare parts, training of staff and instructors, support from manufacturers for three years and a 12-month warranty for each aircraft, engine and other equipment.

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/official-croatia-buys-rafale
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/06/2021 | 22:40 uur
UK confirms plans to order more F-35 jets

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-confirms-plans-to-order-more-f-35-jets/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 03/06/2021 | 08:40 uur
US Air Force wish list includes more F-15EX jets but no F-35s

The U.S. Air Force's $4.2 billion wish list for fiscal 2022 includes about $1.4 billion to buy 12 more F-15EX fighters from Boeing, helping to narrow a projected gap as the service divests its aging F-15C/D fleet.

More funding for the F-15EX — which includes procurement of 24 conformal fuel tank sets and assorted spares to extend the range of the aircraft — ranked as the top priority and most expensive item on the service's annual unfunded priorities list, which was delivered to Congress on June 1 and obtained by Defense News.

But the biggest surprise was the conspicuous absence of additional F-35 Joint Strike Fighters.

The services are required to submit unfunded priorities lists to Congress that spell out how they might spend money if the budget top line had been larger. Typically, lawmakers use the lists as a blueprint for making changes to the budget — especially as rationale for adding more expensive items like ships or aircraft.

..../....

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/budget/2021/06/02/air-force-asks-for-more-f-15ex-jets-in-fy22-unfunded-wish-list-not-f-35s/
Over the past several years, the Air Force requested funds for 48 Lockheed Martin-made F-35s in its budget and additional F-35s in its unfunded wish list. But service officials hinted that practice could stop in FY22 as it waits for the upgraded Block 4 version of the jet to be fielded in the mid-2020s.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/06/2021 | 09:51 uur
Lockheed aims to produce 169 F-35 fighter jets in 2022

Reuters

June 2, 2021
7:14 PM CEST

1 minute read

Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N) aims to produce and deliver about 169 F-35 fighter jets in 2022, the U.S. weapons maker said on Wednesday at a conference hosted by brokerage Bernstein.

The company said it expects the production rate for the jets to eventually plateau at about 175 aircraft per year after 2022, based on the demand by the United States government and partner countries. read more

Lockheed's decision to enter full rate production for the jets has been delayed as the COVID-19 pandemic disrupted operations at aircraft manufacturers and their supply chains. The company is expected to deliver between 133 and 139 jets in 2021.

Our Standards: The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/lockheed-aims-produce-169-f-35-fighter-jets-2022-2021-06-02/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/06/2021 | 23:13 uur
Canada On Track To Select An Winner Of FFCP Programme Next Year (dat deze Canadese soap snel over is)

https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2021/06/06/canada-on-track-to-select-an-winner-of-ffcp-programme/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 06/06/2021 | 10:53 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 05/06/2021 | 23:13 uur
Canada On Track To Select An Winner Of FFCP Programme Next Year (dat deze Canadese soap snel over is)

https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2021/06/06/canada-on-track-to-select-an-winner-of-ffcp-programme/
And the winner is ..... (trommelgeroffel) ..... F35.
The best aircraft, the best price, the best for industie of Canada. The best plane for the job, now and for in the future.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/06/2021 | 11:42 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 06/06/2021 | 10:53 uur
And the winner is ..... (trommelgeroffel) ..... F35.
The best aircraft, the best price, the best for industie of Canada. The best plane for the job, now and for in the future.

Ze hadden het eerste squadron F35A's al operationeel kunnen hebben... Politici, geen andere soort is zo destructief voor je veiligheid.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 06/06/2021 | 12:32 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/06/2021 | 11:42 uur
Ze hadden het eerste squadron F35A's al operationeel kunnen hebben... Politici, geen andere soort is zo destructief voor je veiligheid.
Klopt helemaal.
En met in het achterhoofd wat de Canadese president heeft gezegd tijdens de verkiezingen .... 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/06/2021 | 13:40 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/06/2021 | 11:42 uur
Ze hadden het eerste squadron F35A's al operationeel kunnen hebben... Politici, geen andere soort is zo destructief voor je veiligheid.

Dat hadden ze kunnen hebben. Als ze nu de F-35A kiezen, dan zitten ze op z'n vroegst in lot 17/18. Daarmee hebben ze wel af fabriek Block 4.

Kiest Canada iets anders, dan kunnen ze onmogelijk een F-35 partnerland blijven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 06/06/2021 | 14:28 uur
Canadezen hebben een soort gecombineerde Belgisch-Nederlands-Duitse verwervingsstrategie en instandhouding van materieel. De horror.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/06/2021 | 14:42 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 06/06/2021 | 13:40 uur
Dat hadden ze kunnen hebben. Als ze nu de F-35A kiezen, dan zitten ze op z'n vroegst in lot 17/18. Daarmee hebben ze wel af fabriek Block 4.

Kiest Canada iets anders, dan kunnen ze onmogelijk een F-35 partnerland blijven.

We gaan zien wat het uiteindelijk gaat worden. Als ze nog langer treuzelen dan kunnen ze net zo goed aan de VS vragen of ze mogen participeren in NGAD of FA/XX.

Overigens zou ik als Canada de Super Hornet schrappen net als de Gripen en de F15EX toevoegen aan het lijstje, zeker als men de voorkeur blijft uiten voor een tweemotorige kist met uithoudingsvermogen. (ook in de wetenschap dat de F15EX de komende 30-40 jaar een stevige rol van betekenis zal spelen)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/06/2021 | 09:14 uur
Rafale is leading contender in Swiss competition

Swiss newspaper Le Matin says the Dassault Rafale fighter is leading the competition to become the next fighter for Switzerland

The news report says a decision could now be announced on Jun. 23.

Le Matin says there are signs that the Swiss government has decided on the Rafale. For example, the head of the Federal Department of Defence, Civil Protection and Sport, Viola Amherd, had cited the Rafale as an example of how the Swiss military could achieve its strategic objectives.

https://www.lematin.ch/story/le-rafale-est-de-plus-en-plus-le-favori-a-berne-617143171697
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 09/06/2021 | 11:11 uur
 :cute-smile:jaja
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/06/2021 | 16:36 uur
Deutschlands neues Kampfflugzeug ist veraltet, bevor es abhebt

Zusammen mit Frankreich und Spanien will Berlin für mehr als 100 Milliarden Euro ein Luftkampfsystem der Zukunft entwickeln. Interne Unterlagen zeigen: Deutschland hat sich von den Franzosen über den Tisch ziehen lassen.

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundeswehr-deutschlands-neues-kampfflugzeug-fcas-ist-veraltet-bevor-es-abhebt-a-55801191-0002-0001-0000-000177779147

Google Translate :

De nieuwe jager van Duitsland is verouderd voordat hij van start gaat

Samen met Frankrijk en Spanje wil Berlijn voor meer dan 100 miljard euro een luchtgevechtssysteem van de toekomst ontwikkelen. Interne documenten tonen aan: Duitsland heeft zich door de Fransen om laten praten.

"sich über den Tisch ..."  = mehr für etwas zahlen müssen, als es eigentlich wert wäre  (Meer betalen voor iets dan het eigenlijk waard is)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 09/06/2021 | 16:54 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 09/06/2021 | 16:36 uur
Deutschlands neues Kampfflugzeug ist veraltet, bevor es abhebt

Zusammen mit Frankreich und Spanien will Berlin für mehr als 100 Milliarden Euro ein Luftkampfsystem der Zukunft entwickeln. Interne Unterlagen zeigen: Deutschland hat sich von den Franzosen über den Tisch ziehen lassen.

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundeswehr-deutschlands-neues-kampfflugzeug-fcas-ist-veraltet-bevor-es-abhebt-a-55801191-0002-0001-0000-000177779147

Google Translate :

De nieuwe jager van Duitsland is verouderd voordat hij van start gaat

Samen met Frankrijk en Spanje wil Berlijn voor meer dan 100 miljard euro een luchtgevechtssysteem van de toekomst ontwikkelen. Interne documenten tonen aan: Duitsland heeft zich door de Fransen om laten praten.

"sich über den Tisch ..."  = mehr für etwas zahlen müssen, als es eigentlich wert wäre  (Meer betalen voor iets dan het eigenlijk waard is)

is dit nog een verassing voor iemand dan? :angel: Frankrijk naait voor de zoveelste keer een ''partner''.

De Duitse rekenkamer heeft ook berekeningen uitgevoerd op basis van de huidige contract voorwaarden en daar kwam uit dat er voor de Duitse industrie veel minder in zit dan voor de Franse industrie (ook niet verassend) en dat ze dus eigenlijk gaan betalen aan de ontwikkeling van een grotendeels Franse fighter jet. Daarnaast heeft Parijs ook aangedrongen op het gebruik van een Franse (Rafale) motor i.p.v. de veel sterkere Duitse (EF Typhoon) motor.

En dan hebben we het nog niet eens over de Spaanse industrie, die is er later bij gekomen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 09/06/2021 | 17:02 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 09/06/2021 | 16:36 uur
Deutschlands neues Kampfflugzeug ist veraltet, bevor es abhebt

Zusammen mit Frankreich und Spanien will Berlin für mehr als 100 Milliarden Euro ein Luftkampfsystem der Zukunft entwickeln. Interne Unterlagen zeigen: Deutschland hat sich von den Franzosen über den Tisch ziehen lassen.

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundeswehr-deutschlands-neues-kampfflugzeug-fcas-ist-veraltet-bevor-es-abhebt-a-55801191-0002-0001-0000-000177779147

Google Translate :

De nieuwe jager van Duitsland is verouderd voordat hij van start gaat

Samen met Frankrijk en Spanje wil Berlijn voor meer dan 100 miljard euro een luchtgevechtssysteem van de toekomst ontwikkelen. Interne documenten tonen aan: Duitsland heeft zich door de Fransen om laten praten.

"sich über den Tisch ..."  = mehr für etwas zahlen müssen, als es eigentlich wert wäre  (Meer betalen voor iets dan het eigenlijk waard is)

Goh...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 09/06/2021 | 23:13 uur
Video van een (eerste?) Italiaanse F-35 en Russische SU-30 ontmoeting boven de Baltics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAlfSVjAVz8&ab_channel=Fighterbomber
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/06/2021 | 07:45 uur
Top NATO general urges 'alignment' between US and European sixth-gen fighter plans

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2021/06/10/top-nato-general-urges-alignment-between-us-and-european-sixth-gen-fighter-plans/#.YML4SDbx74U.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/06/2021 | 10:32 uur
F-35 Production Will Take Longer than Expected to Recover from COVID

https://www.airforcemag.com/lockheed-f-35-production-covid-longer-than-expected/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 14/06/2021 | 15:29 uur
Indonesia reported to have signed contract to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets

https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2021/june-2021/7381-indonesia-is-reported-to-have-signed-contract-to-buy-rafale.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 14/06/2021 | 16:42 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 14/06/2021 | 15:29 uur
Indonesia reported to have signed contract to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets

https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2021/june-2021/7381-indonesia-is-reported-to-have-signed-contract-to-buy-rafale.html

Zoals veel dingen bij Indonesië: ik geloof het pas als ze in het land staan  ;)

En dan ook origineel 48 stuks willen kopen maar er nu ''slechts'' 36 kopen om vervolgens de Amerikanen blij te maken met een order voor 12 F-15EX's in 2024. Dan ben je niet bezig met het moderniseren van je krijgsmacht maar met politiek bedrijven. Overigens hebben de Amerikanen de verkoop van F-35's aan Indonesië geweigerd volgens andere media.

Ik zie dat er nergens het stuk staat over de 48 origineel en/of de 12 F-15EX's maar dat is info vanuit Indonesische media. Daar staat ook vermeld dat het contract voorzien is van een lening van Frankrijk aan Indonesië van 80% van de contract waarde.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 15/06/2021 | 13:26 uur
Difficult F-35 engine sustainment contributing to higher than expected cost per flight hour

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/difficult-f-35-engine-sustainment-contributing-to-higher-than-expected-cost-per-flight-hour/?utm_campaign=Newsroom&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=sce

Difficulty sustaining the engine on the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) is contributing to a higher cost per flying hour than originally anticipated, a former programme official and a government auditor have noted.

A Lockheed Martin official told reporters on 10 June at the company's F-35 production facility in Fort Worth, Texas, that the aircraft's cost per flying hour is USD33,000 in 2012 dollars: USD38,655 in 2021 dollars.

A former F-35 programme official, who was grated anonymity to speak freely, told Janes on 9 June that the original concept predicted that the aircraft would have a cost per flying hour between USD25,000–30,000 in 2021 dollars, once the programme reached the current stage: between initial operational capability (IOC) and full operational capability (FOC). This cost per flying hour was supposed to be somewhat comparable to newer Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcons.

"You only have a finite amount of money and you can spend your money buying new aircraft [but then] you do not have any money to fly them," the former F-35 programme official said. "Or you can spend less [money] buying new aircraft because it costs more to fly them.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/06/2021 | 22:20 uur
Navy Plans to Arm F/A-18E/F, F-35C with Air Force's JASSM-ER Cruise Missile

https://seapowermagazine.org/navy-plans-to-arm-f-a-18e-f-f-35c-with-air-forces-jassm-er-cruise-missile/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/06/2021 | 08:50 uur
Brown: NGAD Will be a Multirole Fighter - Air Force Magazine

https://www.airforcemag.com/ngad-multirole-fighter-f-35-block-4/#.YMrwctNmips.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/06/2021 | 18:21 uur
Lockheed Martin F-35 leads in Swiss fighter jet evaluation - TV

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/lockheed-martin-f-35-leads-swiss-fighter-jet-evaluation-tv-2021-06-21/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/06/2021 | 22:26 uur
Citaat van: Reuters op 21/06/2021 | 18:21 uur
Lockheed Martin F-35 leads in Swiss fighter jet evaluation - TV

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/lockheed-martin-f-35-leads-swiss-fighter-jet-evaluation-tv-2021-06-21/

Ben benieuwd of de aanstaande Zwitserse keuze gevolgen zal hebben voor de Finse keuze later dit jaar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/06/2021 | 22:35 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 21/06/2021 | 22:26 uur
Ben benieuwd of de aanstaande Zwitserse keuze gevolgen zal hebben voor de Finse keuze later dit jaar.

Ik had eerlijk gezegd verwacht dat de Rafale de front runner zou zijn...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/06/2021 | 22:46 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/06/2021 | 22:35 uur
Ik had eerlijk gezegd verwacht dat de Rafale de front runner zou zijn...

Dat was de Rafale in de Zwitserse (social) media tot voor kort ook.

Onderstaande het Duitstalige artikel van SRF.

https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/endspurt-kampfjetbeschaffung-amherd-will-den-ferrari-der-luefte-kaufen
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/06/2021 | 09:41 uur
Which Wings Would Lose A-10s Under USAF Plan

https://www.airforcemag.com/air-forces-plan-for-the-first-a-10-wings-cuts/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/06/2021 | 10:09 uur
De Luftwaffe heeft nu een potente air-to-air missile combinatie met IRIS-T en Meteor.

@GME-AirFoto (23-06-2021)

CitaatDank P2Eb /PSC22 jetzt auch die @eurofighter des @Team_Luftwaffe erstmalig mit @byMBDA #METEOR in der Luft. Die Truppeneinführung/erprobung beim #TLG74 in #Neuburg ⁦@BaainBw @CombatAir @AgueraMartin #avgeeks #aviationdaily #aviationphotography #aviation   #eurofighter #luftwaffe  twitter.com/Team_Luftwaffe...

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https://twitter.com/GME_AirFoto/status/1407761853946662913
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 25/06/2021 | 15:36 uur
Lifting the FOG

Uitgebreide uiteenzetting van de F-35 aanbieding door Lockheed Martin voor het Finse HX programma

https://corporalfrisk.com/2021/06/25/lifting-the-fog/

Meer info via bovenstaande link.

Lockheed Martin's bid for the HX programme is likely the one that has caused the most speculation, and this blog has seen its fair share of that as well. Scott Davis, Lockheed Martin's Managing Director for Finland, was happy to chat and clear up some of the remaining confusion.

Let's begin with the elephant in the room: the offer in their BAFO is for 64 F-35A, and this is most certainly the number the company expects to supply Finland in case they win. The package of weapons they would supply does include an undisclosed number of weapons that include AIM-120C-8 AMRAAM, JSM, and AGM-158B-2 JASSM-ER. All of these are included in the BAFO as regular to-be-delivered items, and not as options. Davis acknowledged that he had been unnecessarily vague in his comments at the earlier HX media event, leading to speculation about options to adjust the figures either up or down. However, it is now evident that Lockheed Martin joins Boeing and Saab in the 64 fighter-game.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/06/2021 | 20:15 uur
As Allies Design Fighter Aircraft, the United States Faces a Decision @WarOnTheRocks

https://warontherocks.com/2021/06/as-allies-design-fighter-aircraft-the-united-states-faces-a-decision/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/06/2021 | 10:09 uur
Air Boss: Navy-Marine TACAIR Integration 'Alive and Well' (over o.a. de 2022 cruise voor VMFA-314 en de F-35C transitie voor VFA-97)

https://seapowermagazine.org/air-boss-navy-marine-tacair-integration-alive-and-well/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/06/2021 | 17:03 uur
Citing "Insiders" Swiss Public Television Says The F-35 Has Won The Swiss Air Force Fighter Jet Evaluation

https://theaviationist.com/2021/06/22/swiss-air-force-f-35/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/06/2021 | 17:07 uur
Amherd: «Wollen kein Steuergeld verschleudern»

https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/kampfjet-entscheid-amherd-wollen-kein-steuergeld-verschleudern
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/06/2021 | 17:23 uur
Air2030: Federal Council decides to procure 36 F-35A fighter aircraft

https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/documentation/media-releases.msg-id-84275.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/06/2021 | 18:33 uur
Citaat van: The Federal Council op 30/06/2021 | 17:23 uur
Air2030: Federal Council decides to procure 36 F-35A fighter aircraft

https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/documentation/media-releases.msg-id-84275.html

Nu nog parlementaire goedkeuring en CH kan worden toegevoegd aan het Europese rijtje BE/DK/IT/NL/NO/PL/UK. En dan er ook nog de Finse competitie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 01/07/2021 | 12:38 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 30/06/2021 | 18:33 uur
Nu nog parlementaire goedkeuring en CH kan worden toegevoegd aan het Europese rijtje BE/DK/IT/NL/NO/PL/UK. En dan er ook nog de Finse competitie.
Yup...
Alweer kansen gemist voor "de Europesche aeronautische bedrijven"...

En met de MPA's gaat het supersnel dezelfde richting in... met UK/NO en dra DE... mogelijks IT... En ES en PO gaan ook vervangers nodig hebben.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/07/2021 | 11:00 uur
First USMC F-35C squadron declares full operational capability

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Photo By Cpl. Leilani Cervantes | U.S. Marines with Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 314 and Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 352, Marine Aircraft Group 11, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, conduct a new expeditionary landing demonstration with M-31 arresting gear Interim Flight Clearance (IFC), on Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center Twentynine Palms, Calif., Dec. 3rd, 2020. This new capability allows the F-35C Lightning II to land on smaller runways anywhere in the world and ensures extended flexibility in combat operations. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Cervantes, Leilani)

MCAS MIRAMAR , CA, UNITED STATES
07.01.2021
Story by 1st Lt. Charles Allen
3rd Marine Aircraft Wing 

MARINE CORPS AIR STATION MIRAMAR, Calif. – (July 1, 2021) As the Marine Corps continues to make changes to meet the demands of the rapidly evolving future operating environment, Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 314 has reached a new milestone in Marine Corps history as they declare their full operational capability (FOC) for the F-35C Lightning II.

"VMFA-314 is the first F-35C squadron in the Marine Corps to declare FOC. They are now full up round and bring the incredible 5th generation capability to 3rd MAW. They will deploy as part of a Carrier Strike Group next year." said Maj. Gen. Christopher Mahoney, 3rd MAW commanding general. "FOC for the Black knights is yet another step forward in achieving Force Design objectives. The Black Knights are ready- 3rd MAW is ready."

FOC is significant in its confirmation that VMFA-314 is fully prepared and equipped successfully deploy aboard United States Navy aircraft carriers, marking the first FOC declaration for Marine Corps. This inaugural event is met after VMFA-314 received their first F-35C on January 21, 2020 when their first jet arrived at Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) Miramar from Naval Air Station Lemoore.

"Many hours were spent maintaining aircraft, launching and recovering aircraft in Miramar, at other military facilities, and aboard the ship to conduct the training required to meet these goals," said Major Derek Heinz, VMFA-314 operations officer. "The Marines of VMFA-314 have gained confidence in fighting this aircraft and feel confident we can do so in combat if called upon."

VMFA-314 is currently continuing its preparations towards future deployments by conducting tailored ship's training availability (TSTA), marking the first F-35C squadron to conduct TSTA in the Marine Corps. This training will consist of communication rehearsals, medical drills, flight operations, and shipboard drills conducted while underway, ensuring the squadron is prepared to deploy in support of maritime campaigns.

3rd MAW continues to "Fix, Fly and Fight" as the Marine Corps' largest aircraft wing, and remains combat-ready, deployable on short notice, and lethal when called into action.

For questions regarding this release, please contact the 3rd MAW Communication Strategy and Operations Office at 3rdmawmedia@usmc.mil.

-USMC-

https://www.dvidshub.net/news/400214/first-usmc-f-35c-squadron-declares-full-operational-capability
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/07/2021 | 22:53 uur
F-35 engine competition could drive down problematic propulsion system sustainment costs

02 JULY 2021

by Pat Host

Creating an engine competition for the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) could help reduce propulsion system sustainment costs that are contributing to a higher aircraft cost per flying hour than originally anticipated.

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Seen here is the Pratt & Whitney F135 engine for the F-35A. A former F-35 progamme official told Janes that competing a new engine for the programme could lower the engine's problematic sustainment costs. (Pratt & Whitney)

A former F-35 programme official, who was granted anonymity to speak freely, told Janes on 1 July that competing a new engine against the Pratt & Whitney F135-PW-100 turbofan would take 2–4 years to implement. However, this would be worth it because the threat of competition alone is enough to motivate contractors to improve performance.

"Competition is the purest way to motivate industry," the former programme official said. "Money, bonuses, and incentives are all well and good, but the threat of losing business via competition supersedes all of it."

An advanced engine being developed by the US Air Force (USAF) could be used in the F-35, providing potential competition to Pratt & Whitney. The USAF's Adaptive Engine Transition Program (AETP) is developing a turbofan engine that can change its internal geometry to dynamically adjust its bypass and fan pressure ratios.

This could increase an adaptive engine's thrust by 10% and improve its fuel efficiency by 25%, roughly translating into a 30% improvement in range for aircraft equipped with these engines.

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/f-35-engine-competition-could-drive-down-problematic-propulsion-system-sustainment-costs
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Nikehercules op 02/07/2021 | 23:21 uur
Wellicht is het een idee om Rollce-Royce te vragen een motor te ontwikkelen. De F136 ofzo... oooh wacht.. :dead:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 02/07/2021 | 23:44 uur
Was er niet een project gekilled waar een 2r motor werd ontwikkeld?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 03/07/2021 | 00:06 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 02/07/2021 | 23:44 uur
Was er niet een project gekilled waar een 2r motor werd ontwikkeld?

Sterker nog die motor lag al diverse malen op een testbank te draaien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 03/07/2021 | 03:08 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 02/07/2021 | 23:44 uur
Was er niet een project gekilled waar een 2r motor werd ontwikkeld?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric/Rolls-Royce_F136

;) Zoals Nikehercules al zegt een GE/RR motorblok
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 03/07/2021 | 11:03 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 02/07/2021 | 22:57 uur
Innovatief idee  >:(
Huh.  De Pratt & Whitney F100 PW-100's en PW-200 versies hadden in de seventies jaarlijks gemiddeld elf keer een flame-out.
Hoe kwam dat ?  Als vliegers de naverbranders van hun toenmalige F100 versies aan wilden zetten.  Dan wilde de naverbrander niet altijd op tijd ontsteken.  Met als gevolg een hele wolk met een rijk peut-zuurstof mengsel ging de uitlaat uit.  Vervolgens ontstak de naverbrander wel.  Die liet ook die onverbrande wolk ontploffen, met als gevolg dat de F100 uitvlamde.
De tweede F-16A/B die de KLu verloor.  Kreeg zo een probleem tijdens de start vanaf Vlb. Leeuwarden.  Crash landde op zijn buik in een weiland, waarbij het romp-voorstuk, net achter de stuurhut kap, volledig desintegreerde van de rest van de romp.

Pratt & Whitney wilde de F100 problemen niet oplossen, want dit motor type zit ook in de F-15 Eagle.  Dus betreffende de US Air Force teen fighters hadden zij een monopolie positie.  Plus P&W hield de prijzen ook te hoog.  Nou vliegt het B-1B Lancer met de F101, die gemaakt wordt door concurrent General Electric.
Nou heeft General Electric zowel in de militaire als civiele luchtvaart, als wel marinescheepsbouw (LM1600 en zeer veel toepaste LM2500) de reputatie om betrouwbare gasturbines te bouwen.

Het Amerikaanse Congres was de te hoge prijzen en problemen helemaal zat.  Concurrentie kan leveranciers scherp maken.  Dus kreeg General Electric de opdracht om in het  Alternative Fighter Engine programma de concurrerende F110 uit de F101 en zeer betrouwbare F404 (o.a. F-18 Hornet motor) te ontwikkelen.
Bij Pratt & Whitney werden ze vervolgens wakker, prijzen gingen omlaag en vanaf 1986 werd het naverbrander probleem met een Digital Engine Control opgelost.
Sommige luchtmachten verkiezen desondanks toch de General Electric F110, want nog steeds betrouwbaarder en robuuster dan de P&W F100 F-220 t/ m F-220 varianten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/07/2021 | 12:35 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 03/07/2021 | 12:25 uur
Zie #4932 em #4933. Dit was altijd het idee, maar de 2e motor is gekilled omdat het te duur was om er twee te ontwikkelend.

Helaas correct, daarnaast had de F136 een stevige Nederlandse inbreng.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 03/07/2021 | 12:50 uur
Swiss decision analyse compare to HX program.

https://corporalfrisk.com/2021/07/03/swiss-decision-rolls-in-f-35s-favour/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/07/2021 | 12:51 uur
Op dit moment loopt het Adaptive Engine Transition Program (AETP) voor o.a. de F-35. Zowel P&W als GE zijn hiermee bezig. Afwachten of de VS beide motoren zal afnemen of niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/07/2021 | 13:58 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 03/07/2021 | 12:51 uur
Op dit moment loopt het Adaptive Engine Transition Program (AETP) voor o.a. de F-35. Zowel P&W als GE zijn hiermee bezig. Afwachten of de VS beide motoren zal afnemen of niet.

Is wel te verwachten, niet alleen voor de F35 familie maar ook gezien de ontwikkeling op volgende generatie platformen (B-21, NGAD en FA/XX).

Ik kan me niet voorstellen dat de Amerikanen afhankelijk willen zijn van slechts één leverancier en type binnen alle genoemde projecten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 03/07/2021 | 14:28 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 03/07/2021 | 12:25 uur
Zie #4932 em #4933. Dit was altijd het idee, maar de 2e motor is gekilled omdat het te duur was om er twee te ontwikkelend.

Haha ja. Dat is 1 lezing. De andere is concurrentie de nek omdraaien, volledige afhankelijkheid van p&w en een onnatuurlijk prijsstelling proces.

Daarnaast is het ook nog eens een negatieve invloed op innovatie en ontwikkeling, het incentive ontbreekt door gebrek aan concurrentie.
Dit alles wisten ze ook wel toen de f136 werd omgelegd, reden was simpelweg grotere voordelen voor USA. Het product is de sjaak.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/07/2021 | 22:57 uur
Finland offered partner status in Eurofighter

07 JULY 2021

by Charles Forrester

Finland is being offered partner status in the Eurofighter programme as part of the consortium's bid for Finland's HX fighter procurement, BAE Systems representatives revealed on 6 July.

"Some of the capability that we're transferring [to Finland] is going into the FDF [Finnish Defence Forces] but also to make that possible the combined Eurofighter partner nations have offered Finland participation in the programme. In order to enable that access, and to be that first tier – the same as the UK, Germany, Spain, and Italy – the partnership has been offered to Finland," John Rossall, HX Director, BAE Systems, said.

As part of their industrial participation offering for the HX programme, BAE Systems has said that final assembly and check-out (FACO) of the aircraft is being offered as a "fully exercisable option" in their bid, should Finland choose to take advantage of the proposal.

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The Eurofighter consortium is offering partner status to Finland as part of the bid for the country's HX fighter procurement programme. (BAE Systems)

The FACO offering builds on the wider maintenance, repair, and overhaul (MRO) package being offered to Finland, as work and component manufacture is localised to ensure security of supply.

"This is the most comprehensive maintenance, repair, and overhaul package we've ever developed for any customer," Ross Dickson, HX Industrialisation Lead for BAE Systems, said. "For the next 30 years, the touch point for MRO is not going to be the UK, Germany, Italy or Spain, the first touch point is going to be Finnish industry.

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/finland-offered-partner-status-in-eurofighter_18821
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 11/07/2021 | 12:43 uur
FCAS / SCAF and TEMPEST: Programme Status Reports

https://euro-sd.com/2021/07/articles/exclusive/23236/fcas-scaf-and-tempest-programme-status-reports/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/07/2021 | 09:43 uur
Citaat van: European Security & Defence op 11/07/2021 | 12:43 uur
FCAS / SCAF and TEMPEST: Programme Status Reports

https://euro-sd.com/2021/07/articles/exclusive/23236/fcas-scaf-and-tempest-programme-status-reports/

Bij onderstaande quote uit dit artikel heb ik vraagtekens.

CitaatBelgium, Norway, Poland, the Netherlands and Denmark all decided to procure the F-35 rather than RAFALE, despite the fact that they will be unable to exploit all of its specific features. A political choice that reaffirmed their ties with Washington.

Welke specific features van de F-35A kunnen de genoemde landen niet gebruiken? Bij 312 Squadron is de F-35A over een aantal jaar dual capable. Alsof men bij de Rafale wel alle mogelijkheden krijgt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/07/2021 | 09:28 uur
Will the FCAS and Tempest jet programs merge? Germany's top Air Force officer hopes so.

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/techwatch/2021/07/12/will-the-fcas-and-tempest-jet-programs-merge-germanys-top-air-force-officer-hopes-so/#.YO1AW8vLmqk.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/07/2021 | 15:05 uur
The Swiss Picked The F-35 On Price. The Pentagon Should Listen

The Swiss evaluators found the networked systems of the F-35A enabled pilots to have more situational awareness and that the stealth fighter was more survivable in all mission areas. The F-35A also achieved the highest grades for product support, efficiency of maintenance and potential for collaboration with other countries.

After a three-year competition between the UK/German Eurofighter, the French Rafale, Boeing's F/A-18E/F, and Lockheed Martin's F-35A, the Swiss government has selected the Joint Strike Fighter to replace their aging F/A-18s.

The Swiss determined the F-35A was the most capable of the three. Moreover, they calculated that it would be less expensive to acquire, operate and sustain than even the F/A-18E/F — a jet whose purchase price is $13.6 million less than Boeing's baseline F-15EX.

The decision no doubt surprised those who've read that the F-35 is just a money pit filled with technical problems. And the cost analysis may even raise eyebrows in the Pentagon, which based its recent decision to procure F-15EX instead of F-35A on costs.

If the Swiss believe the F-35 is cheaper than the F/A-18E/F, and the latter is cheaper than what DoD plans to pay for the F-15EX, then math would dictate that the F-35, over its lifespan, will be cheaper to operate than the F-15EX, eliminating the main reason to buy the Eagle II entirely.

Could Switzerland, a nation known for financial precision, have made a mistake? Maybe their process was flawed, so let's start there.

..../.....

https://breakingdefense.com/2021/07/the-swiss-picked-the-f-35-on-price-thats-a-bad-sign-for-the-f-15ex/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 13/07/2021 | 16:27 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 13/07/2021 | 15:05 uur
The Swiss Picked The F-35 On Price. The Pentagon Should Listen
Interessant stuk...

En ook die ene comment eronder...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 13/07/2021 | 16:45 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 13/07/2021 | 16:27 uur
Interessant stuk...

En ook die ene comment eronder...

Idd. En deze:

Citaat
At the end of the process, the Swiss Federal Council determined that all four candidates met the Air2030 operational requirements but that the F-35A was an absolute standout, receiving a score of 336 points. The next nearest candidate scored just 241.

Kunnen al die Briganti's en aanverwante figuren weer terug hun hok in.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 16/07/2021 | 08:25 uur


Here's Our First Look At Russia's New Stealth Fighter Jet
https://theaviationist.com/2021/07/15/russia-checkmate/

De volledige marketing rondom het toestel is in het engels, waar we uitkunnen opmaken dat dit toestel voor de export markt ontwikkeld is. Daarnaast gebruiken ze overal de naam ''Checkmate'', dit zou de mogelijke naam zijn van het toestel. Opvallend is dat in de video een aantal specifieke landen genoemd worden ; Verenigde Arabische Emiraten, India, Vietnam & Argentinie.

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 16/07/2021 | 08:36 uur
Wat een onzinnige, domme, platte en typisch Russische achterlijke kut marketing zeg.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 16/07/2021 | 09:38 uur
Die SU57 van ze voldoet toch niet?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 16/07/2021 | 09:40 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 16/07/2021 | 09:38 uur
Die SU57 van ze voldoet toch niet?

Dit is een toestel met een motor, zeer waarschijnlijk volledig voor de export markt. Landen die wel een 5th gen willen aankopen maar niet het budget of de goedkeuring krijgen voor de F-35.
De Russen vliegen voornamelijk rond met toestellen met twee motoren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 16/07/2021 | 18:49 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 16/07/2021 | 09:40 uur
Dit is een toestel met een motor, zeer waarschijnlijk volledig voor de export markt. Landen die wel een 5th gen willen aankopen maar niet het budget of de goedkeuring krijgen voor de F-35.
De Russen vliegen voornamelijk rond met toestellen met twee motoren.

Lang verhaal kort, het lukt ze gewoon niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/07/2021 | 09:42 uur
@RupprechtDeino (18-07-2021)

CitaatHere it is the Sukhoi LTS "CheckMate"

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https://twitter.com/RupprechtDeino/status/1416752328909238275
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 19/07/2021 | 11:54 uur
Altijd zo grappig dat alles eromheen, zelfs het ontwerp en fabricage van die apparaten worden gemaakt met behulp van spullen van hun beoogde vijaard.

Ontwerpsoftware, hardware tot industriele tools..80% ervan zal uit het westen komen. Dikke kans dat ook de beamers van die kekke kleurenshow daar van HP zijn. Ga je dan met je trommel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 19/07/2021 | 12:39 uur
En een voor aanzicht  via twitter @papabear747

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Nikehercules op 20/07/2021 | 00:18 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 19/07/2021 | 11:54 uur
Altijd zo grappig dat alles eromheen, zelfs het ontwerp en fabricage van die apparaten worden gemaakt met behulp van spullen van hun beoogde vijaard.

Ontwerpsoftware, hardware tot industriele tools..80% ervan zal uit het westen komen. Dikke kans dat ook de beamers van die kekke kleurenshow daar van HP zijn. Ga je dan met je trommel.

Zoals alles hier wordt geproduceerd in China..?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 20/07/2021 | 07:32 uur
Citaat van: Nikehercules op 20/07/2021 | 00:18 uur
Zoals alles hier wordt geproduceerd in China..?

ZUcht, wij pretenderen niet alsof we de rest van de wereld niet nodig hebben/beter zijn/ het zonder ze af kunnen etc. Dat is juist onze visie.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Nikehercules op 20/07/2021 | 13:55 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 20/07/2021 | 07:32 uur
ZUcht, wij pretenderen niet alsof we de rest van de wereld niet nodig hebben/beter zijn/ het zonder ze af kunnen etc. Dat is juist onze visie.

Blablabla selectieve verontwaardiging blablabla
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 20/07/2021 | 14:51 uur
Citaat van: Nikehercules op 20/07/2021 | 13:55 uur
Blablabla selectieve verontwaardiging blablabla

Nee, bitter realisme. We halen geen onderdelen uit Rusland.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/07/2021 | 10:36 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/07/2021 | 08:56 uur
Russia Officially Unveils New Checkmate Fighter, But Performance Claims are Ambitious

https://www.airforcemag.com/russia-officially-unveils-new-checkmate-fighter-but-performance-claims-are-ambitious/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 22/07/2021 | 09:06 uur
Onzinnig dat hier ook zoveel aandacht voor is. Hoe staat het eigelijk met hun maanbasis?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 22/07/2021 | 10:17 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 22/07/2021 | 09:55 uur
Itt Hun maanbasis, of shtorm, zie ik dit ding wel gewoon gebouwd worden en zou het me niet verrassen als er in de '30s tientallen van rondvliegen.

Interessanter is de Chinese bommenwerper. Die is nodig voor de aanval op Taiwan.
Ik zie de kansen juist nog klein in doordat het een 'private funded' project is. Indien de Russen afnemen krijgt het support. Ik heb geen idee hoe levensvatbaar een niet regerings project is dat wordt verkocht aan het buitenland en zichzelf zal moeten overeindhouden.  Hun systeem is niet echt ingericht daarvoor. Ze lijken mij de diversiteit in bedrijven, de economie en de know how om een commercieel ontworpen toestel te produceren en voor lange tijd in stand te houden/relevant te houden te missen.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 22/07/2021 | 22:00 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 22/07/2021 | 18:42 uur
Als dit ding haalbaar is zou Rusland er m.i. goed aan doen er vol voor te gaan. Wel een grote 'if'....

Deze SU-75 zou een opvolger kunnen worden van de MIG-21, maar ook bij Mikojan-Goerevitsj staan  volgens openbare bronnen nog een aantal ontwikkelingen op de agenda.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 23/07/2021 | 10:37 uur
Egypt to Boost Rafale Order by 100 Aircraft as Its Su-35 Fails to Withstand Rafale's Spectra Electronic Attacks – Global Defense Corp

https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2021/07/19/su-35-fails-to-withstand-rafales-spectra-electronic-attacks/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 23/07/2021 | 11:59 uur
Wikipedia luchtmachten zijn dat.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/08/2021 | 10:03 uur
First F-35C Fighters, CMV-22B Deploy with Carl Vinson Carrier Strike Group

https://news.usni.org/2021/08/02/first-f-35c-fighters-cmv-22b-deploy-with-carl-vinson-carrier-strike-group
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/08/2021 | 09:37 uur
F-16 receives in-flight software update during recent flight test

F-16 System Program Office, Air Force Life Cycle Management Center / Published July 31, 2021

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Lt. Col. Zachary Probst taxis an F-16C Fighting Falcon from the 84th Test and Evaluation Squadron before a test near Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., June 14, 2021. For the first time, an F-16's Electronic Warfare System received an in-flight software update as part of an Advanced Battle Management System (ABMS) demonstration during a recent test sortie at Nellis AFB, Nev. (U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. John Raven)

NELLIS AIR FORCE BASE, Nev. (AFNS) --
For the first time, an F-16 Fighting Falcon's Electronic Warfare System received an in-flight software update as part of an Advanced Battle Management System (ABMS) demonstration during a recent test sortie at Nellis Air Force Base.

An F-16 updated its Mission Data File with information transmitted from hundreds of miles away using an existing Beyond Line of Sight F-16 satellite communication system. The airborne F-16 Block 50C was able to receive an MDF update from the Hill Software Integration Lab, process it using custom developed Center Display Unit software, and load the new data into the ALQ-213 Countermeasures Signal Processor.

This technology was made possible using the F-16 System Program Office's organic subject matter experts, the 309th Software Engineering Group, the 53rd Test Wing, and associated agencies. This proof-of-concept test demonstrated the ability for a pilot to properly correlate a previously unknown electronic threat in near real-time.

"The ingenuity and skills of the Flight Test and Program Teams enabled a Viper to land with better capabilities than it took off with," said Col. Tim Bailey, F-16 System program manager, speaking about the successful test. "This techno-marvel was done with existing systems in much of the Viper fleet, with no hardware mod. required. This is a significant first step!"

"We believe this is the first time a fighter aircraft has received a software update and gained new capability all while in flight," added Lt. Col. Zachary Probst, a flight test pilot and commander of the 84th Test and Evaluation Squadron. "This is a big deal. There's a tactical need to be able to rapidly update software, especially mission data files because that's what ties into our ability to identify, find, and defend ourselves against enemy threat systems."

What began as a bar-napkin idea — real-time software updates to F-16s — is developing into a program that could one day field across the F-16 fleet. The next step is to integrate high-speed internet into the F-16 thereby allowing F-16 pilots access to data from a classified cloud.

Ultimately the program's goal is full ABMS integration into the F-16, which will improve long-term relevance of the aircraft and greatly enhance capabilities to the warfighter. In addition, it will connect and integrate the Department of Defense, U.S. Air and Space Force capabilities.

"We are focused on capability development and proving things," Probst said. "We are working on building the 'highway'. Once we build the 'highway', the possibility of places to go are endless."

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2715206/f-16-receives-in-flight-software-update-during-recent-flight-test/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/08/2021 | 10:00 uur
Nellis AFB aggressors, F-35 pilots 'punish' blue air to develop unstoppable force

By Christie Vanover, 57th Wing Public Affairs / Published August 04, 2021

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Col. Scott Mills, 64th Aggressor Squadron F-35 Lightning II pilot, performs preflight checks before launching to participate in Red Flag 21-3 at Nellis Air Force Base, Nev., Aug. 3, 2021. Red Flag 21-3 is the first Red Flag exercise in which blue air participants will go head-to-head with F-35 aggressor pilots. (U.S. Air Force photo by Airman 1st Class Zachary Rufus)

NELLIS AIR FORCE BASE, Nev. (AFNS) --
At exercise Red Flag-Nellis, blue air pilots climb into their jets, don their helmets, buckle in and take off into the wild blue yonder.

They've conducted their intel and mission planning, but when their wheels lift up from the flightline and the friendly view of the Las Vegas Strip fades away as they reach the Nevada Test and Training Range, it's game on. The aggressors are waiting.

During Red Flag-Nellis 21-3, blue air participants will for the first time go head-to-head with F-35 Lightning II aggressor pilots, making already daunting training scenarios all that more difficult to successfully overcome.

Col. Scott Mills, 57th Operations Group commander and an F-35 aggressor pilot, said Red Flag originated as an air-to-air fight of blue players against red players, but it has advanced in every domain.

"I have air-to-air aggressors. I have surface-to-air aggressors. I have space and information aggressors," he said. "The aggressor is the person who's here to train blue by providing a realistic and robust adversary that they, being blue, have to actively fight against. They have to use every bit of the capabilities that they have and every bit of integration that they can compile to achieve what their intent is for that day.

"Knowing what I know about those blue air capabilities and the blue air integration, my job is to pick that apart, to pull at the seams," he continued. "The aggressor nation here is one of the best in the world at finding those niches, finding those gaps and seams, and absolutely punishing those mistakes that blue air makes."

Lt. Col. Chris Finkenstadt, 64th Aggressor Squadron commander, said F-35s are being introduced this Red Flag to expand upon the F-16 Fighting Falcon aggressors' threat capabilities. He said this changes the scenario so it more accurately represents advanced enemy fighters.

While F-35s have augmented aggressors in previous Red Flag exercises, they have not been manned by dedicated aggressor pilots.

"What aggressors are able to present to them is a more challenging problem for blue air assault," he said. "The aggressors know the threat replication a little bit better, and they have studied the adversary and the way that the adversary would actually react to a specific situation. Based on our focus toward great power competition, we need to make sure that those guys are ready, and we do that by presenting the best possible atmosphere we can."

Mills said the addition of the F-35 will showcase what blue can do against low-observable type threats similar to what adversaries are developing.

"At the end of the day, my job is not to give blue an easy day. My job is to give blue the absolute toughest day that I can. And the way for me to do that is to bring the F-35 into the fight. And the F-35 is going to make it exceptionally difficult for blue to achieve their objectives. They're going to need to take every bit of capability they have, every bit of integration they can, to achieve their intent," Mills said.

During the initial sorties, there are a lot of red air victories. Blue air pilots go up preparing for a one-to-two-hour fight, but because of a tactical mistake, red air capitalizes on that error and sends them back quickly.

"It's a defeating call hearing your call sign and dead," Mills said.

As a former blue air pilot who lost to previous aggressors, he said the debrief after each mission is invaluable, because that's when pilots re-attack their mission planning. They look at how they reacted, what the threat was, what they didn't see and what they didn't do.

"The first two days, blue's nose gets pretty bloodied. And then by the end of week one, you start to see their lessons learned are getting passed around and they're starting to figure things out a little bit," Finkenstadt said. "Then, day one or two of week two, they may get their nose bloodied again, because we tend to ramp it up a little bit. It usually takes a couple of days to start figuring out different game plans and how they want to package their forces to solve their problems."

Mills recalled when he had his first blue air victory.

"I remember it like it was yesterday. That was a day when I realized that it's one thing to train by yourself as one asset and to see the limitations of your own capabilities. But at the end of the day, when you put us all together on one playing field and you watch what we can do against an incredibly robust, aggressive force, when we work together, it's an amazing site," Mills said.

Now as an aggressor pilot, he said it's a great feeling to hear lessons learned and to see growth.

"We see walls come down between communities. We see stovepipes disappear. We see teams that have never before worked together, not only working together, but truly integrating their capabilities to achieve an end result. And I'll tell you when blue air does that, it's exceptionally difficult for red air to pull that game plan apart," he said.

"At the end of the day, the truth is that no one of us, no one capability is outstanding or the best in the world. Our outstanding capability comes from the fact that we work together well through exercises like this," Mills added. "We operate across our joint and coalition partners to form one truly unstoppable blue force."

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2719040/nellis-afb-aggressors-f-35-pilots-punish-blue-air-to-develop-unstoppable-force/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/08/2021 | 10:20 uur
USAF: New Engine Technologies Can't Be Retrofitted to Existing Fighters

https://www.airforcemag.com/usaf-new-engines-technologies-cant-retrofitted-existing-fighters/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/08/2021 | 10:56 uur
Navy's AARGM-ER to enter production

Published: Aug 25, 2021

Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Md. -- The Navy's Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile – Extended Range (AARGM-ER) received Milestone C (MS-C) approval Aug. 23, allowing the program to move into its first phase of production.

The Navy plans to award the first two low-rate initial production lots over the next several months.

"The combined government/industry team has worked tirelessly over the last few years to reach this milestone," said Capt. Alex Dutko, Direct and Time Sensitive Strike (PMA-242) program manager. "We look forward to getting this new weapon with its increased capability and lethality out to the fleet as soon as possible."

The MS-C decision comes just over two years after the Navy awarded the Engineering and Manufacturing Development (EMD) contract to its prime contractor, Northrop Grumman. The team conducted the first live-fire event in July to verify system integration and rocket motor performance, as well as initiate modeling and simulation validation.

Captive and live fire flight testing is planned to continue through 2022 and initial operational capability is planned for 2023.

The Navy is integrating AARGM-ER on the F/A-18E/F and EA-18G, and it will be compatible for integration on the F-35.  By leveraging the U.S. Navy's AARGM program, the AARGM-ER with a new rocket motor and warhead will provide advanced capability to detect and engage enemy air defense systems.

Public Affairs Officer Contact:
240-925-5305

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The Navy's Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile-Extended Range (AARGM-ER) completes its first live fire event July 19 off the coast of Point Mugu Sea Test Range in California. (U.S. Navy photo)

https://www.navair.navy.mil/news/Navys-AARGM-ER-enter-production/Wed-08252021-1544
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/08/2021 | 14:30 uur
Boeing rolls out first F-15QA for Qatar

Boeing presented the first F-15QA Advanced Eagle combat aircraft during a ceremony at the company's St Louis production facility in Missouri on 25 August.

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The event saw Boeing and US Air Force (USAF) leaders, as well as dignitaries and service personnel from Qatar, roll-out the first aircraft for the Qatari Emiri Air Force (QEAF) at the same time as announcing the type's official name, Ababil (a flock of birds that have particular significance in the Quran).

The F-15QA revealed to the crowd, serial QA500, was fitted with a range of weapons that will equip the type in QEAF service, including the Raytheon AIM-9X Sidewinder short-range air-to-air-missile, the Raytheon AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM), the Boeing AGM-84A Harpoon anti-shipping missile, and the Boeing GBU-31 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) precision-guided bomb. It was also fitted with both AN/AAQ-28(V) Litening and AN/AAQ-33Sniper advanced targeting pods, as well as an integrated AN/AAS-42 Tiger Eyes infrared search and track (IRST) system. The first 15 pilots to be trained on the type were also presented to the audience.

The first set of F-15QA jets will be ferried to Qatar later this year following the completion of pre-delivery pilot training, Boeing said. The company has been providing maintenance and logistics support for the QEAF during pre-delivery pilot training, which began earlier this year. In addition, Boeing will establish and operate an aircrew and maintenance training centre for the QEAF at Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar through to 2024 while also providing in-country spares and logistics support once the aircraft are delivered.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/boeing-rolls-out-first-f-15qa-for-qatar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGWImj-0wJo
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/08/2021 | 15:31 uur
Israeli PM To Request Biden Clear Money To Purchase New F-15IAs

When Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett meets with US President Joe Biden on Thursday, he plans to ask the United States for a special increase in Foreign Military Financing dollars specifically to procure an advanced version of Boeing's F-15 fighter jet, military sources tell Breaking Defense.

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The goal, the sources said, is to secure enough funding to purchase 20-25 F-15IA jets, as well as updated its existing F-15I fleet of 25 planes by replacing the full avionic suite, including radar and main computers.

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https://breakingdefense.com/2021/08/israeli-pm-to-request-biden-clear-money-to-purchase-new-f-15ias-sources/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/09/2021 | 22:03 uur
Boeing completes Super Hornet deliveries for Kuwait

06 SEPTEMBER 2021

by Gareth Jennings

Boeing has completed delivery of 28 F/A-18E/F Super Hornet combat aircraft for Kuwait, transferring them to the US Navy (USN) ahead of their eventual handover to the customer.

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A screenshot from a Boeing video showing the final Super Hornet for Kuwait departing St Louis on its delivery flight to the US Navy. (Boeing)

The manufacturer announced the event on 2 September, posting a video of single-seat aircraft 822 departing its St Louis production facility in Missouri.

With Kuwait's 22 single-seat F/A-18Es and six twin-seat F/A-18Fs being contracted in a government-to-government deal, they have all been handed over to USN ahead of their expected transfer to the Kuwait Air Force (KAF) in the coming months (a precise timeline has not been disclosed). As previously reported by Janes, this delivery milestone was delayed slightly due to the effect of the Covid-19 pandemic.

The USD2.7 billion deal for Kuwait (including radar warning receivers and weapons) involves Super Hornets built largely to the USN's latest Block 3 standard (with some legacy Block 2 elements reportedly retained). The Block 3 includes upgrades to the Raytheon AN/APG-79 active electronically scanned array radar; an Elbit Systems large area display 'glass' cockpit and next-generation avionics; an infrared search and track; Integrated Defensive Electronic Countermeasures; and new General Electric F-414-400 enhanced engines. Further to the capability enhancements, the Block 3 airframe is extended from 6,000 to 9,000 hours. The previously included 'shoulder-mounted' conformal fuel tanks were axed by the USN earlier in 2021.

In November 2016 the US State Department approved the sale of up to 40 Super Hornets (32 F/A-18Es and eight F/A-18Fs) for Kuwait, valued at USD10.1 billion (including related equipment and support). Once in KAF service, the Super Hornets will

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/boeing-completes-super-hornet-deliveries-for-kuwait
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/09/2021 | 10:16 uur
UK to retire Tranche 1 Typhoons with more than half of airframe hours remaining

The UK's recently revealed plan to prematurely retire its Tranche 1 Eurofighter Typhoon combat aircraft will see the fleet axed with more than half of its airframe fatigue life remaining, the government said on 7 September.

Answering questions in the House of Commons, Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Defence, James Heappey, said that the Tranche 1 Typhoons that were earmarked for early retirement in the Defence Command Paper published on 22 March would be retired with an average of nearly 60% of their airframe fatigue lives remaining.

"There are 30 Typhoon Tranche 1 aircraft in the sustainment fleet and the projected average flying hours for each of the aircraft, when they reach their respective out-of-service date, is 2,544.8 flying hours," Heappey said.

With the Typhoon notionally rated to an airframe life of 6,000 hours, 2,544.8 hours represent just 42.4% of airframe use. With this figure being averaged out across the fleet, a number of the more recently delivered aircraft will have flown significantly fewer hours than this. Of the 53 Tranche 1 aircraft received by the Royal Air Force (RAF), 30 remain in the inventory. Of these, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) told Janes that 20 are in active service while the remaining 10 are in storage.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/uk-to-retire-tranche-1-typhoons-with-more-than-half-of-airframe-hours-remaining/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/09/2021 | 22:23 uur
Pratt Pushes Alternative to New Adaptive Engine for F-35

https://www.airforcemag.com/pratt-pushes-alternative-to-new-adaptive-engine-for-f-35/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/09/2021 | 08:22 uur
Greece has ordered another 6 Rafales

Greece has ordered six more Rafale fighters, bring the total number ordered to 24. The announcement was made by French Defence Minister Florence Parly.
It is said that the fighters ordered are the F3R variant

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210912-france-confirms-deal-with-greece-for-six-more-rafale-fighter-jets
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/09/2021 | 10:20 uur
GE Says New Engine for F-35 Possible by 2027, but Not on STOVL Version

https://www.airforcemag.com/ge-new-engine-for-f-35-possible-by-2027-not-stovl-version/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 13/09/2021 | 13:59 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 13/09/2021 | 08:22 uur
Greece has ordered another 6 Rafales

Greece has ordered six more Rafale fighters, bring the total number ordered to 24. The announcement was made by French Defence Minister Florence Parly.
It is said that the fighters ordered are the F3R variant


Zal mij benieuwen of deze deal nog gelinkt is aan de aanstaande fregatten order.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 14/09/2021 | 08:07 uur
Lockheed agrees to $30,000 per flight hour cost for F-35A by FY2023

The F-35 Joint Program Office has awarded Lockheed Martin a sustainment contract for the F-35 that commits the company to reduce the operating cost of the stealth fighter to $30,000 per flight hour by fiscal year 2023, down 10.7% from FY2020.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/lockheed-agrees-to-30000-per-flight-hour-cost-for-f-35a-by-fy2023/145448.article
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/09/2021 | 09:51 uur
Why is GE's F110-129 the Best Engine for USAF's F-15EX?

https://www.airforcemag.com/why-is-ges-f110-129-the-best-engine-for-usafs-f-15ex/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 18/09/2021 | 10:59 uur
Lockheed Must Give Up Data to Get Shot At Long-Term F-35 Maintenance Contract

https://www.airforcemag.com/lockheed-data-long-term-f-35-maintenance-contract/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/09/2021 | 22:55 uur
F-35 weapon capability enhancements for the UK and Italy

17 Sep 2021

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BAE Systems and MBDA have secured additional funding to complete the development and integration of next generation weapons capabilities on the UK and Italian F-35 fleets.
This builds on the successful integration work that commenced in 2019 by BAE Systems, Lockheed Martin and MBDA to upgrade the UK F-35 weapon systems.

The award will see industry teams complete integration activities for the SPEAR precision surface attack weapon onto the UK F-35s, with the next-generation missile enhancing the UK's future combat air capability through its network-enabled, high load-out, multi-effect capabilities with extended stand-off range. This will further enhance the UK Lightning Force's capability to defeat challenging targets such as mobile long-range air defence systems at over-the-horizon ranges in all weathers and in highly contested environments.

The funding will also see the remainder of the integration of MBDA's Meteor beyond visual range air-to-air missile completed on both the F-35A and F-35B jets for the UK and Italian armed forces. Meteor's networking and range capability is ideally suited to the F-35's sensor suite to provide unrivalled capabilities in the battlespace.

A team of engineers from BAE Systems, MBDA and Lockheed Martin will now commence the testing, simulation and integration activities in the UK and US, to achieve initial operating capability of both weapons.

Tom Fillingham, Senior Vice President, US Programmes, BAE Systems' Air Sector, said:

"Advanced weapons systems, such as Meteor and SPEAR, will provide the UK and Italian armed forces with an operational advantage. Our highly skilled engineers have a crucial role across the entire F-35 programme and as part of this integration activity, and we look forward to continuing to work alongside our partners as it progresses."

Paul Mead, Group Business Development Director, MBDA said:

"We are delighted that work continues at pace to deliver Meteor and SPEAR capability to the F-35; it is also a positive step for the wider F-35 enterprise as it adds additional capability choice for all international customers across multiple variants of the aircraft. MBDA's integration team has worked well with our BAE Systems and Lockheed Martin colleagues to date and we plan to build on this excellent foundation into the future on this key follow-on modernisation work."

More than 80 employees across the UK will deliver the weapons integration work for the UK and Italian F-35 fleets, with the F-35 programme sustaining more than 20,000 jobs in the UK overall across the development, production, integration and sustainment of the global programme.

https://www.baesystems.com/en/article/f-35-weapon-capability-enhancements-for-the-uk-and-italy
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/09/2021 | 22:32 uur
First USAF F-35As stationed in Europe due at RAF Lakenheath in December

By Garrett Reim 23 September 2021

The US Air Force's (USAF's) first Lockheed Martin F-35A stealth fighters to be permanently stationed in Europe are expected to arrive at Royal Air Force (RAF) Lakenheath in the UK this December.

The service plans to permanently station two squadrons – 48 aircraft – at the Suffolk base, alongside existing Boeing F-15 fighters. USAF F-35s have visited Lakenheath before, but have not called the base home.

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Source: US Air Force
An F-35 from the 34th Fighter Squadron at Hill AFB, Utah, visits RAF Lakenheath

The base has undergone a number of upgrades ahead of the arrival of the stealth fighters, including the addition of a flight simulator facility, a new maintenance unit, as well as new hangars and storage facilities. In 2015, the UK Ministry of Defence invested £160 million ($218 million) for the upgrades.

The USAF plans to quickly start flying its F-35As alongside allies and partners in Europe that already operate the type, General Jeffrey Harrigian, commander of US Air Forces in Europe said on 21 September at the Air Force Association's Air, Space and Cyber conference in National Harbor, Maryland.

"We've already got some pretty good plans as we start thinking about how we leverage that capability, particularly with many of our partners that already have the F-35 in the theater," he says. "I really think it'll be a truly important step as we continue to demonstrate the importance that the F-35 has baked into it from an interoperability perspective."

F-35s carry a Multifunction Advanced Data Link system that allows the stealth fighters to communicate securely among themselves. The radio allows the aircraft to share and then fuze battlefield information gathered by sensors, such as radars and infrared cameras, into a single operating picture.

The F-35 has been purchased by Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Switzerland and the UK. In June, USAF General Tod Wolters, NATO's supreme allied commander for Europe, projected that by 2030 there could be more than 450 examples of the F-35 in Europe.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/first-usaf-f-35as-stationed-in-europe-due-at-raf-lakenheath-in-december/145597.article
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/09/2021 | 22:44 uur
Navy continues Block III Super Hornet testing, accepts first new production jet

Published: Sep 27, 2021

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The U.S. Navy's F/A-18F Block III Super Hornet takes to the skies over St. Louis, Mo., where 78 Block IIIs will be built by The Boeing Company. (Photo courtesy of The Boeing Company)

NAVAL AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND, PATUXENT RIVER, Md. -- The U.S. Navy accepted delivery of the first new-production Block III F/A-18 Super Hornet on Aug. 31.

The first of 78 new Super Hornets built by The Boeing Company was ferried to Test and Evaluation Squadron (VX) 23 at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland, for continued developmental testing. The next few Block III jets to leave the production line will head to VX-9, at Naval Air Weapons Station (NAWS) China Lake, California, to start training for operational testing, during which the aircraft will undergo evaluation in scenarios that mimic operational missions.

Since accepting delivery of Block III test jets last summer, VX-23 and VX-31, at NAWS China Lake, have put the latest configuration of the multi-mission strike fighter through its paces.

"The new aircraft has successfully completed Carrier Suitability Testing, and a comprehensive evaluation of the new Block III mission system components is now underway," said Bob David, the F/A-18 & EA-18G Program Office's (PMA-265) Assistant Program Manager for Test and Evaluation.

VX-23 conducted shake, rattle and roll testing, which mimics the aircraft carrier environment to ensure the aircraft and each new system installed can withstand the intense forces of both a catapult-assisted launch and a ship-based arrested landing. The Block III test jet successfully completed this multi-test point challenge in January.

"Scrutinizing these new systems in a test environment ahead of fielding to our warfighter is very important and allows the Navy to make sure the delivered system meets the requirements provided to the manufacturing contractor and that our fleet is receiving an effective, interoperable and sustainable aircraft that will support the mission," David explained.

The comprehensive testing conducted by the Navy, to date, provides a high level of risk reduction, allowing refinements to be made and integrated into the production jets' hardware and software updates. Developmental and operational testing will continue through early summer next year. Boeing is contracted to deliver two Block III aircraft, per month, through the end of calendar year 2024.

The Block III Super Hornet brings several new capabilities to the fleet and enables the F/A-18 to remain the backbone of carrier-based aviation power projection. Improvements making Block III the most lethal and survivable F/A-18 in operation include an advanced cockpit with new, aircrew-configurable displays, advanced networking, radar signature enhancements, and a 10,000-hour service life. Additionally, the Block III's design provides expeditious growth capacity and enables ease of integration of future technologies, allowing the Super Hornet to outpace adversaries in today's dynamic threat environment.

Commenting on the significance of the Block III production deliveries now underway, PMA-265 Program Manager Capt. Jason Denney said, "The development and integration of Block III capabilities, to include both hardware and software, has been a complex undertaking. With the simultaneous efforts to integrate these capabilities into our new production aircraft as well as develop the retrofit kits and technical directives for incorporation into Block II aircraft during Service Life Modification, the Naval Aviation Enterprise team, as well as our industry partners, have performed tremendously to bring these capabilities online safely and efficiently."

Denney added, "We are excited to see new production deliveries rolling off the line in St. Louis, and are eagerly watching as the jets continue through developmental and operational test programs. Our F/A-18 team continues to test, refine and improve the program, ensuring we deliver the most lethal, reliable and sustainable strike fighter to meet the fleet's needs."

Story by Carrie Munn, PMA-265 Communications

Public Affairs Officer Contact:
240-309-8076

https://www.navair.navy.mil/news/Navy-continues-Block-III-Super-Hornet-testing-accepts-first-new-production-jet/Thu-09232021
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/09/2021 | 22:46 uur
Pentagon and Lockheed Martin Agree to F-35 Production Rebaseline

FORT WORTH, Texas, Sept. 27, 2021 – The F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) and the Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT) industry team have agreed on an F-35 production rebaseline that ensures predictability and stability in the production process while recovering the aircraft shortfall realized over the last year during the COVID-19 pandemic.

With this agreement, Lockheed Martin is scheduled to deliver 133-139 aircraft this year, 151-153 aircraft in 2022 and anticipates delivering 156 aircraft beginning in 2023 and for the foreseeable future.

More than 700 F-35s have been delivered and are operating from 21 bases around the globe. More than 1,460 pilots and 11,025 maintainers have been trained and the F-35 fleet has surpassed 430,000 cumulative flight hours.

https://www.f35.com/f35/news-and-features/pentagon-and-lockheed-martin-agree-to-f35-production-rebaseline.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/10/2021 | 17:59 uur
U.S. Air Force activates first Europe-based F-35A Squadron

By 48th Fighter Wing Public Affairs, 48th Fighter Wing Public Affairs / Published October 01, 2021

ROYAL AIR FORCE LAKENHEATH, England --
The 48th Fighter Wing has reactivated the first U.S. Air Forces in Europe F-35A squadron. The 495th Fighter Squadron, nicknamed as the "Valkyries," was activated at exactly 8:49 and 50 seconds, Friday morning, 30 years to the day since its designation as a fighter squadron.

The first F-35A is scheduled to arrive at RAF Lakenheath later this year. The base was selected to host the first U.S. F-35A squadrons in Europe based on very close ties with the Royal Air Force, existing infrastructure, and combined training opportunities. Additionally, the U.K. is a critical component in training and combat readiness for U. S. Air Forces in Europe due to its excellent airspace and F-35 program partnership.

Lt. Col. Ian D. McLaughlin has assumed command as the first commander since the squadron's inactivation in 1991.   "Today is an exciting day. There has been a great deal of work done to get us this far, but there's a lot more that needs to be done prior to getting jets this winter. The 495th has a proud history and we're excited to take the guidon forward to start building the foundation for first USAF F-35As stationed in Europe."

The new F-35 squadron will consist of 27 aircraft and roughly 60 personnel.

Photo and video footage, and additional information are available at www.dvidshub.net/unit/48fwpa. Media queries may be directed to the 48th Fighter Wing Public Affairs office at 48fw.pa@us.af.mil.

https://www.lakenheath.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2795690/us-air-force-activates-first-europe-based-f-35a-squadron/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 04/10/2021 | 10:43 uur
Germany elects to send pilots to Italian flight training school

Germany is sending its military pilots to train at the Italian Air Force (Aeronautica Militare Italiana: AMI) International Flight Training School (IFTS).

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/c4isr-command-tech/latest/germany-elects-to-send-pilots-to-italian-flight-training-school
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/10/2021 | 22:50 uur
F-35A completes milestone 5th Gen fighter test with refurbished B61-12 nuclear gravity bombs

By 1st Lt Lindsey Heflin, 53rd Wing / Published October 04, 2021

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An F-35A Lighting II carrying a B61-12 Joint Test Assembly sits on the flight line at Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada, Sept. 21, 2021. Two F-35A Lightning II aircraft released B61-12 Joint Test Assemblies during the first Full Weapon System Demonstration, completing the final flight test exercise of the nuclear design certification process. (U.S. Air Force photo by Airman 1st Class Zachary Rufus)

Nellis Air Force Base, Nev. --
Two F-35A Lightning II aircraft recently released B61-12 Joint Test Assemblies (JTAs) during the F-35A's first Full Weapon System Demonstration, completing the final flight test exercise of the nuclear design certification process.

The 422d and 59th Test and Evaluation Squadrons led Air Combat Command's portion of the test effort, with Airmen from the 57th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron, 926th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron and Bolt Aircraft Maintenance Unit leading all maintenance efforts. Once airborne, test pilots flew to the Tonopah Test Range and released two B61-12 JTAs from operationally realistic flight envelopes. This event was the first release of the most representative B61-12 test asset from an operationally-representative F-35A.

"The B61 series weapons are tactical gravity nuclear weapons that can be used on Dual Capable Aircraft like the F-15E and F-16C/D," said Lt. Col Daniel Jackson, division chief, Headquarters ACC Strategic Deterrence and Nuclear Integration. "Having a 5th Generation DCA fighter aircraft with this capability brings an entirely new strategic-level capability that strengthens our nation's nuclear deterrence mission."

The nuclear certification is broken into two phases: nuclear design certification and nuclear operational certification. This test is considered the graduation flight test exercise for the F-35A nuclear design certification and concludes on-aircraft testing for the initial nuclear certification effort. The test data received from this event is currently under analysis and review by the Department of Defense and Department of Energy to ensure the F-35A and B61-12 JTAs performed correctly throughout all phases of the operation.

"The B-2 bomber was the prominent nuclear capable stealth aircraft," said Jackson. "Adding 'nuclear capable' to a 5th-Gen fighter that already brings several conventional-level capabilities to the table adds strategic-level implication to this jet."

No date has been released for full F-35A nuclear certification in support of real-world operations. The successful completion of this test covers a critical part of the nuclear certification process and ensures the F-35A will remain on track for future timelines.

Not all aircraft will become nuclear-capable upon full certification in support of real-world operations. Only those units with a nuclear mission will be given the hardware and manpower necessary to configure and maintain nuclear capable F-35s. 

The test event was led by a collaborative effort between the Air Force Nuclear Weapons Center, F-35 Joint Program Office, Sandia National Labs and several HQ ACC staff directorates.

For more information on this test, contact Air Combat Command Public Affairs at (757)-764-5007 or at accpa.operations@us.af.mil.

https://www.acc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2799580/f-35a-completes-milestone-5th-gen-fighter-test-with-refurbished-b61-12-nuclear/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/10/2021 | 22:55 uur
Eglin test squadron releases GBU-72 for first time

By Samuel King Jr. / Published October 12, 2021

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The 96th Test Wing recently concluded a GBU-72 test series that featured the first ever load, flight and release of the 5,000-pound weapon. (Courtesy photo)

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EGLIN AIR FORCE BASE, Fla. --
While cruising over the Eglin Air Force Base range, a 96th Test Wing F-15E Strike Eagle released a GBU-72 Advanced 5K Penetrator at 35,000 feet here Oct. 7.

The 5,000-pound bomb's release marked the end of a test series planned by the 780th Test Squadron and performed by the 40th Flight Test Squadron. That series included the first-ever weapons load, flight and release of the weapon July 23.  The squadron's test goals were to show the weapon could safely release from the aircraft and validate a modified 2,000-pound joint-direct-attack-munition tail kit's ability to control and navigate a 5,000-pound weapon.

The test series, deemed a success by the Armament Directorate's Direct Attack Division, consisted of three flights. Those flights and drops were made much more complex since this was the first GBU-72 release.

In addition to the successful flight test series, the ground test series was Eglin's largest-ever arena test, surpassing the previous titleholder by more than double.  The arena test, an open-air test where the warhead detonates surrounded by blast pressure sensors and fragment counting equipment, helps to determine the weapon's lethality.  The 780th TS also planned this test event.

The flight test series success depended upon the 780th TS's planners and the 40th FLTS's aircrews making the right choices, creating new procedures and adjusting quickly to ensure the weapon released correctly and the mission remained on schedule.

"Test series of this magnitude are never successful, overall, because of just a single person or organization," said Ronald Forch, 780th TS Programming Engineer over the GBU-72 flight and ground test efforts. "They are ultimately successful because the test engineer is able to perform a role very similar to that of a symphony conductor guiding the performance of a series of consecutive miracles – none any more important than the other."

The Armament Directorate recently commended the squadron with the External Team of the Quarter award for its GBU-72 program efforts.

The GBU-72 was developed to overcome hardened deeply buried target challenges and designed for both fighter and bomber aircraft.  The weapon design and its projected effectiveness were developed using advanced modeling and simulation techniques and processes before the first warhead was forged. This is a repeatable process for all future direct attack weapons.  Lethality is expected to be substantially higher compared to similar legacy weapons like the GBU-28, according to James Culliton, GBU-72 Program Manager.

"An advantage to the modeling and simulation to design approach used is early prototypes are production representative," said Culliton.  "This helps us bring our operational test partners in sooner with eyes on, hands on participation, validating our design and procedures sooner while including input that improves the weapon.  The collaboration we've enjoyed with the 780th TS and 40th FLTS to this end has been the best I've experienced in acquisitions."

The GBU-72 program now moves on to additional JDAM integration test flights and developmental and operational testing in 2022.

https://www.eglin.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2806518/eglin-test-squadron-releases-gbu-72-for-first-time/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/10/2021 | 22:52 uur
RNoAF F-16s retired by end 2021

PUBLISHED: 21 OCTOBER 2021   LAST UPDATED: 21 OCTOBER 2021

The Luftforsvaret (RNoAF, Royal Norwegian Air Force) will retire its current fleet of F-16AM/BM Fighting Falcons by the end of the year.

According to the proposed 2022 Defence Budget, the Norwegian Ministry of Defence (MoD) stated that from 2022 the Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II would be only fixed-wing fighter aircraft in service. At this moment, the RNoAF has 31 operational F-35As, of which 10 are operated by the 62nd Fighter Squadron xx at Luke AFB (AZ) for training purposes. Three more Lightning IIs are expected to be delivered to Norway this year.

Norway plans to complete the deliveries of 52 F-35As by the end of 2024, but this might slip a bit due to delayed production and component delays as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.

In March 2021, Scramble Magazine reported on the possible commercial sale of F-16s. The Norwegian Defence Material Agency (NDMA) contracted Kongsberg Aviation Maintenance Services (KAMS) to maintain a number of F-16s that already had been taken out of active service and make them ready for commercial re-sale. It is not known how many F-16s will be made ready for this possible commercial re-sale.

According to Key Aero, the Forțele Aeriene ale Romaniei (FAR, Romanian Air Force) is interested to buy two squadrons of former RNoAF F-16AM/BM fighters.

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Photo by Peder Mathisen

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/rnoaf-f-16s-retired-by-end-2021
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/10/2021 | 13:11 uur
Japan to send pilots to Italian flight training school

Japan is to send its military pilots to train at the AMI's International Flight Training School (IFTS). It was announced on 26 October.

Following recent similar agreements with Germany and Qatar, the AMI and Leonardo have secured a deal for the JASDF to undertake advanced pilot training (Phase IV) at the IFTS, located at the 61st Wing's Lecce Galatina Airbase in southern Italy.

"The Chief of Staff of the Italian Air Force, General Alberto Rosso, and the Chief of Staff of the JASDF, General Shunji Izutsu, have signed today an important technical arrangement on the training of Japanese military pilots," as well as training student pilots, Leonardo said, adding that the agreement could also see Japanese instructors working at the IFTS. Leonardo did not say when the first JASDF personnel are scheduled to arrive at the IFTS.

As noted in an announcement, the Italian Air Force (Aeronautica Militare Italiana – AMI) and Japan Air Self-Defense Force (JASDF) enjoy a close relationship, with both air forces operating the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter and Boeing KC-767 tanker.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/air-platforms/latest/japan-to-send-pilots-to-italian-flight-training-school
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 27/10/2021 | 14:44 uur
Via twitter @Fighterman_FFRC

J-20 twin seater is here via@飞扬军事铁背心 @RupprechtDeino
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De lang verwachte en gespeculeerde tweezits variant van de J-20.

Nog enkele foto's via @RupprechtDeino

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 29/10/2021 | 08:50 uur
Na de J-20 twin seater, vanmorgen publicaties van de J-35 voor de Marine Carriers.

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Bron :https://twitter.com/RupprechtDeino/status/1453945874350936065
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 29/10/2021 | 10:05 uur
De beveiliging van digitale infrastructuur jaren 90 en 2000 van project JSF was nog niet zo goed.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 29/10/2021 | 10:52 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 29/10/2021 | 10:05 uur
De beveiliging van digitale infrastructuur jaren 90 en 2000 van project JSF was nog niet zo goed.

Het was natuurlijk al langer bekend dat de chinezen het ontwerp hadden gestolen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/10/2021 | 11:04 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 29/10/2021 | 10:05 uur
De beveiliging van digitale infrastructuur jaren 90 en 2000 van project JSF was nog niet zo goed.

Ook origineel om dan het nummer ook gelijk te houden, alleen de letter ervoor niet...  ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/10/2021 | 12:33 uur
The Navy Just Released Its Vision For Its Future F/A-XX Next Generation Strike Fighter

The Navy wants F/A-XX to be faster, longer-ranged, and better equipped than its Super Hornets, and to be a "quarterback" for future drones.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42941/the-navy-just-released-its-vision-for-its-future-f-a-xx-next-generation-strike-fighter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/10/2021 | 13:47 uur
U.S. Navy Lifts Veil on New F/A-XX Concept Design

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/10/u-s-navy-lifts-veil-on-new-f-a-xx-concept-design/ via @navalnewscom
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/10/2021 | 15:12 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 31/10/2021 | 15:08 uur
Als zij onze F35 kopiëren kunnen wij natuurlijk hun J20 kopiëren.

F/A-XX lijkt (en volgens verwachting) een stevige kist te worden, wellicht een maatje F14, voor een groter bereik en een forse nuttige lading. L/O lijkt niet de eerste prioriteit van de USN.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/10/2021 | 15:37 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 31/10/2021 | 15:26 uur
Dan is het dus volgens de collega's van de luchtmacht een nutteloze kist. Ben benieuwd. Alleen met focus en compromissen kun je een goede kist bouwen. Navy is daar na de nodige debacles de afgelopen 25 jaar misschien wel goed in geworden.

Afwachten maar weer op meer info. De huidige info kan net zo goed misleidend zijn, zie de zeer bescheiden publicaties ronde de USAF NAGD.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 31/10/2021 | 15:44 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 31/10/2021 | 15:12 uur
F/A-XX lijkt (en volgens verwachting) een stevige kist te worden, wellicht een maatje F14, voor een groter bereik en een forse nuttige lading. L/O lijkt niet de eerste prioriteit van de USN.

Als de F/A-XX  een maatje F14 wordt dan  zal deze een moderne versie  van de AIM-54 Phoenix moeten dragen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-54_Phoenix
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/10/2021 | 16:11 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 31/10/2021 | 15:44 uur
Als de F/A-XX  een maatje F14 wordt dan  zal deze een moderne versie  van de AIM-54 Phoenix moeten dragen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-54_Phoenix

Mits deze moderne versie net als de AIM-54 Phoenix uitsluitend strategische bommenwerpers moet aanpakken. Met de AIM-120D en de toekomstige AIM-260 komt de US Navy ook een eind.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 31/10/2021 | 18:02 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 31/10/2021 | 16:11 uur
Mits deze moderne versie net als de AIM-54 Phoenix uitsluitend strategische bommenwerpers moet aanpakken. Met de AIM-120D en de toekomstige AIM-260 komt de US Navy ook een eind.

Dit bedoel ik met de opvolger van de AIM-54 Phoenix. het past niet in de  internal weapons bay van de F22 en F35.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-Range_Engagement_Weapon

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28636/meet-the-aim-260-the-air-force-and-navys-future-long-range-air-to-air-missile
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/11/2021 | 22:41 uur
Spain requested for fifty Lightning IIs

PUBLISHED: 04 NOVEMBER 2021   LAST UPDATED: 04 NOVEMBER 2021

The Spanish government officially filed a Request for Information (RFI) for fifty Lockheed Martin Lightning IIs. The request is for 25 conventional take-off and landing (CTOL) F-35As for the Ejército del Aire (EdA, Spanish Air Force) and 25 short take-off and vertical-landing (STOVL) F-35Bs for the Armada (Spanish Navy). The first deliveries are expected in 2027.

Whilst the F-35Bs will replace the EAV-8B Matadors with Eslla 009 at Rota, the F-35As are reported to replace the F-18 Hornet. The Harriers, currently eleven in the active inventory, are scheduled to be withdrawn from use from 2028.

It has not been reported which EF-18M/BM unit will be replaced with the F-35A Lightning II. Ala 12 at Torrejón AB and Ala 15 at Zaragoza AB both operate the EF-18M/BM Hornet, of which 64 are still operational. The F/A-18A+ Hornets of 462 Escuadrón at Gando AB (Gran Canaria) are due to be replaced by new Eurofighters. The unit has 19 Hornets in their active inventory.

Scramble Magazine wrote on 21 October 2020 on the latest Spanish Defence initiatives (https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/latest-spanish-defence-initiatives). Within this initiative, the EdA is considering a mix of the Eurofighter LTE (Long Term Evolution, the latest version) and a new fifth-generation fighter. Likely candidates for the second fighter were the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and the Lockheed F-35 Lightning II. Selection of the F-35 was noted as interesting in view of the future replacement of the EAV-8B Matadors of the Armada.

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/spain-requested-for-fifty-lightning-iis
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 04/11/2021 | 23:06 uur
Gaat een prijzig geintje worden voor Spanje.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 05/11/2021 | 08:27 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 04/11/2021 | 23:06 uur
Gaat een prijzig geintje worden voor Spanje.

Dat is wel waar maar het vergroot ook de capaciteit van de Spaanse defensie. Met nu slechts 11 Harriers in dienst is het uitbreiden naar 25 stuks een ruime verdubbeling. De Hornet vervangers worden ook uitgebreid maar wel met slechts 6 stuks.

Zou Spanje weer terug willen naar een light carrier zoals ze voorheen hadden met de ''Príncipe de Asturias'' maar dan moderne uitvoering waarbij ik de vergelijking trek met de Italiaanse Cavour.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 05/11/2021 | 14:34 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 05/11/2021 | 08:27 uur
Dat is wel waar maar het vergroot ook de capaciteit van de Spaanse defensie. Met nu slechts 11 Harriers in dienst is het uitbreiden naar 25 stuks een ruime verdubbeling. De Hornet vervangers worden ook uitgebreid maar wel met slechts 6 stuks.

Zou Spanje weer terug willen naar een light carrier zoals ze voorheen hadden met de ''Príncipe de Asturias'' maar dan moderne uitvoering waarbij ik de vergelijking trek met de Italiaanse Cavour.
Die Juan Carlos LHD zou met 10-12 F-35B kunnen opereren. Mss bouwen ze daarvan nog een zusterschip?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 05/11/2021 | 20:16 uur
Waar gaan die F35's gebouwd worden voor Spanje?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/11/2021 | 20:27 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 05/11/2021 | 20:16 uur
Waar gaan die F35's gebouwd worden voor Spanje?

Dat staat nog niet vast. Er kan worden gekozen tussen Fort Worth en Cameri.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 05/11/2021 | 21:35 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 05/11/2021 | 14:34 uur
Die Juan Carlos LHD zou met 10-12 F-35B kunnen opereren. Mss bouwen ze daarvan nog een zusterschip?

Een zusterschip (of half zuster) is een optie want ook daar komt de vervanging van de LPD Galicia (L51 / zuster van de Rotterdam) in beeld. Maar ik zie de Spanjaarden ook nog wel een ''echte carrier'' zoals de Cavour bouwen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 06/11/2021 | 01:48 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 05/11/2021 | 21:35 uur
Een zusterschip (of half zuster) is een optie want ook daar komt de vervanging van de LPD Galicia (L51 / zuster van de Rotterdam) in beeld. Maar ik zie de Spanjaarden ook nog wel een ''echte carrier'' zoals de Cavour bouwen.

Je bedoeld een vervanger voor Príncipe de Asturias, Ik weet niet of Spanje daar voldoende geld voor heeft? Een tweede LHD is wel mogelijk een gemodificeerde versie van de Juan Carlos I zou kunnen.

Overigens vergeet je dat LPD Galicia  L51 nog een zus heeft Castilla L52 heeft. Ik zie wel 2 LPD's vervangen worden door een LHD, dat hebben de Fransen ook gedaan door 2 LPD's van de Foudre klasse te vervangen door een Mistral LHD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_ship_Castilla_(L52)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foudre-class_landing_platform_dock
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 06/11/2021 | 10:32 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 05/11/2021 | 20:27 uur
Dat staat nog niet vast. Er kan worden gekozen tussen Fort Worth en Cameri.

Het zou mij niets verbazen als Spanje voor Cameri kiest. Dat heeft een voordeel dat Cameri langer openblijft en dat Italië tegen die tijd ook voldoende middelen  heeft om zelf ook extra F35's aan te schaffen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 06/11/2021 | 11:25 uur
Geloof niet dat spanje 50 f35s kan betalen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 06/11/2021 | 11:31 uur
Wat meer info over de aanschaf van de F-35 door Spanje.

https://www-aviacionline-com.translate.goog/2021/11/spain-wants-to-acquire-50-f-35-lightining-ii/?_x_tr_sl=en&_x_tr_tl=nl&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=nui,sc
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/11/2021 | 09:16 uur
Spain's Defence Ministry denies interest in F-35

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2021/11/09/spains-ministry-of-defense-denies-interest-in-the-f-35/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 10/11/2021 | 10:04 uur
Dacht ik al. Dit is voor spanje niet te financieren. Bevolking wordt dan ook gek.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 21/11/2021 | 09:30 uur
F-22 Raptor Covered In Mirror-Like Coating Photographed Flying Out Of Nellis AFB

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43228/f-22-raptor-covered-in-mirror-like-coating-photographed-flying-out-of-nellis-afb
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 21/11/2021 | 09:40 uur
China's New L-15 Light Attack Aircraft Aims To End American, British & Italian Dominance

China's L-15 advanced jet trainer made its debut at the Dubai Airshow 2021. The aircraft is capable of undertaking both air defense and ground attack missions.

The L-15 showcased a variety of stunts including vertical and horizontal maneuvers, horizontal rolls, reversed flights, large angle and small speed passes at the airshow.

On November 15, a Twitter user shared a video of China's two-seater twin-engine supersonic jet trainer Hongdu L-15 showcasing its capabilities, describing it as a cost-effective and highly maneuverable aircraft.

According to the Global Times, despite the pandemic, China chose to showcase the L-15, which is considered the best "advanced trainer" model, in Dubai, demonstrating China's commitment to the Middle East military market.

China's 'Star' Jet Trainer
The Hongdu L-15, labeled as a "star model" by the Chinese media, is a two-seat, twin-engine supersonic platform developed to meet the demand for training pilots. This light-attack aircraft is similar to the Leonardo M346 Master, except the Chinese jet incorporates afterburning engines in one variant.

The L-15 designation only refers to export versions of the jet trainer; while the domestic variant is called JL-10. It is manufactured by Hongdu Aviation Industry Group (HAIG).

The plane is intended to train pilots for the Su-27, Su-30, J-10, and J-11 fighters. In comparison to its competitors, the improved design delivers increased pilot safety while lowering training costs.

(https://www.globaltimes.cn/Portals/0/attachment/2021/2021-11-14/609407b9-873a-4a58-867b-e04728731316.jpeg)
An L-15 rehearses a demonstration flight ahead of the Dubai Airshow, on November 13, 2021.

The aircraft has two AI-222K-25F afterburner turbofan engines, each having a single afterburner thrust of 4200 kg, a full authority digital engine control module, and a 3000 flight hour service life. Additionally, the L-15 trainer is capable of air combat and ground strikes.

With a payload of 3,000 kg, the L-15 training aircraft has six weapon attachment points and can be externally attached to air-to-air missiles, air-to-surface missiles, precision-guided bombs, and general aviation bombs, as well as rocket launching nests.

Eying Foreign Buyers
So far, Zambia is the only foreign customer of the Chinese L-15 aircraft. The Zambian Air Force has spent $100 million on six L-15Zs, as well as simulators and different guided missiles, for its No. 15 squadron.

There were reports suggesting that Venezuela had also expressed interest to buy L-15s in 2015 to enable its pilots to transition to Su-30MK2 and F-16 aircraft. Caracas, however, has put the agreement on hold due to a lack of funds.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Hongdu_L-15_Falcon.jpg)
A Chinese L-15.

In addition, the Uruguayan Air Force has shown interest in purchasing eight L-15s to replace its A-37B Dragonflies. Pakistan, a strong ally of China, is another potential customer of the L-15.

Wang Yanan, a senior expert on aerospace science and technology, told the Global Times that the Middle-Eastern countries are more demanding in the arms trade, and the trainers they previously purchased were mostly made in the United States, the United Kingdom, or Italy.

Now, the L-15 is on par with the products of these developed countries, and it provides more pricing advantages.

https://eurasiantimes.com/chinas-new-l-15-light-attack-aircraft-aims-to-end-dominance/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/11/2021 | 17:43 uur
Kroatië neemt Franse Dassault Rafales over

https://www.pilootenvliegtuig.nl/2021/11/25/kroatie-neemt-franse-dassault-rafales-over/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/11/2021 | 20:12 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 25/11/2021 | 20:09 uur
Ik had de Gripen verwacht. Maar mooie upgrade.

Welke Gripen variant had je verwacht? Nieuw gebouwde Gripen C of de Gripen E?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/11/2021 | 22:52 uur
En toen waren er (voorlopig) nog maar 2 kandidaten in de Canadese competitie.

Boeing told its bid to sell fighter jets to Canada did not meet Ottawa's requirements

http://a.msn.com/01/en-ca/AAR8r02?ocid=st

Canada tells Boeing its bid for C$19 bln fighter jet contract falls short - source

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/canada-rules-boeing-out-c19-bln-fighter-jet-contract-canadian-press-2021-11-25/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/11/2021 | 23:00 uur
Berlin Security Conference 2021: Germany likely to issue letter of request for Super Hornet, Growler in January

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/berlin-security-conference-2021-germany-likely-to-issue-letter-of-request-for-super-hornet-growler-in-january
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/11/2021 | 23:02 uur
Gripen E Entering Serial Delivery Phase for Brazilian and Swedish Air Forces

https://www.saab.com/newsroom/press-releases/2021/gripen-e-entering-serial-delivery-phase-for-brazilian-and-swedish-air-forces?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link&utm_campaign=saab-some
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 26/11/2021 | 00:03 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/11/2021 | 22:52 uur
En toen waren er (voorlopig) nog maar 2 kandidaten in de Canadese competitie.

Boeing told its bid to sell fighter jets to Canada did not meet Ottawa's requirements
Ppfff, rare jongens die Canadezen.  Ik vermoed dat ze met hangende pootjes weer bij LockheedMartin terug komen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/11/2021 | 07:25 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 26/11/2021 | 00:03 uur
Ppfff, rare jongens die Canadezen.  Ik vermoed dat ze met hangende pootjes weer bij LockheedMartin terug komen.

Dat vermoeden heb ik ook.

Het zou wel een stunt zijn als ze voor Saab zouden gaan, al zou ik dat niet bepaald slim en handig vinden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/11/2021 | 08:07 uur
Trudeau heeft voor een politieke stunt gezorgd door openlijk tegen de keuze voor F-35 te kiezen, maar dit was meer een financiele keuze dan uit militair oogpunt gekeken en ook gevoed door publiekelijke gedachte van moet er zoveel geld besteed worden aan nieuwe vliegtuigen.
De keuze is alleen maar vertraagd, dat het uiteindelijk de belastingbetaler meer geld gaat kosten, door deze vertraging is van ondergeschikt belang.
Hoe dan ook, uiteindelijk zal de F-35 wel gekocht worden.
 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/11/2021 | 09:59 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/11/2021 | 07:25 uur
Het zou wel een stunt zijn als ze voor Saab zouden gaan, al zou ik dat niet bepaald slim en handig vinden.

De consequentie is vervolgens dat Canada dan geen F-35 partnerland meer kan zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/11/2021 | 10:08 uur
Iedereen weet al heel lamg dat ook Canada niets anders kan kiezen dan de F35. Toestel is gewoon te goed concurrentie te slecht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/11/2021 | 10:15 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 26/11/2021 | 10:08 uur
Iedereen weet al heel lamg dat ook Canada niets anders kan kiezen dan de F35. Toestel is gewoon te goed concurrentie te slecht.

Dan nog is het triest om te zien dat de Canadese politiek om de hete brij heen loopt te dralen. Wachten op het moment dat Trudeau moet toegeven dat de F-35A de beste keuze is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/11/2021 | 12:23 uur
Boeing told its bid to sell fighter jets to Canada did not meet Ottawa's requirements

https://www.thestar.com/politics/2021/11/25/boeing-told-its-bid-to-sell-fighter-jets-to-canada-did-not-meet-ottawas-requirements.html

Boeing has been told that its bid to replace Canada's aging CF-18s with a new fleet of the American company's Super Hornet fighter jets did not meet the federal government's requirements.

Three sources from industry and government say the message was delivered Wednesday as the other two companies competing for the $19-billion contract — U.S. defence giant Lockheed Martin and Swedish firm Saab — were told they met the government's requirements.

....../....

Yet Jeff Collins, an expert on military procurement at the University of Prince Edward Island, said there remain longstanding concerns in some corners that the entire competition has been set up from the beginning to select the F-35.

Choosing a different fighter, he added, would represent a major break from Canada's closest allies, the majority of which are buying the F-35.

Canada first joined the U.S. and other allies as a partner in developing the F-35 in 1997 and has since paid US$613 million to stay at the table. Partners get a discount when purchasing the jets and compete for billions of dollars in contracts associated with building and maintaining them.

...../.....

Meanwhile, the government has been forced to invest hundreds of millions of additional dollars into the CF-18 fleet to keep it flying until a replacement can be delivered. The government has said it plans to name a winner in the coming months, with the first plane delivered in 2025.

The last plane isn't scheduled to arrive until 2032, at which point the CF-18s will have been around for 50 years.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 26/11/2021 | 17:38 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 26/11/2021 | 10:08 uur
Iedereen weet al heel lamg dat ook Canada niets anders kan kiezen dan de F35. Toestel is gewoon te goed concurrentie te slecht.
Het F-35A is inderdaad het meest capabel / vaardig.  Maar een serieuze luchtmacht zoekt niet het beste toestel an sich, maar de beste "capaciteit".  De Luftwaffe gebruikt hiervoor de term "Floten wirksamheit".  In gewoon Nederlands zeg maar de totale doeltreffendheid van de GEHELE jachtvliegtuig vloot.  Daarin zijn de prestaties en vaardigheden van een jachtvliegtuig type maar 1 van de vele bepalende factoren.
Kwaliteit van opleidingen en oefeningen; doctrine, kwaliteit en moreel van het personeel; kwaliteit en kwantiteit van het wapen-pakket;  logistiek; inzetbaarheid; onderhoudbaarheid, etcetera, etcetera.

Tijdens een interview medio jaren 90 zei een Israelische luchtmacht generaal dat hij het F-15 Eagle als het beste jachtvliegtuig ter wereld beschouwde.  Het F-16 bul is qua vaardigheden middelmatig, maar scoort het beste qua kosten-effectiviteit (waar voor je geld).  Deze generaal verklaarde dat hij liever een luchtvloot van 100 'Vipers' had, dan 50 F-15's.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/11/2021 | 19:25 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 26/11/2021 | 17:38 uur
Tijdens een interview medio jaren 90 zei een Israelische luchtmacht generaal dat hij het F-15 Eagle als het beste jachtvliegtuig ter wereld beschouwde.  Het F-16 bul is qua vaardigheden middelmatig, maar scoort het beste qua kosten-effectiviteit (waar voor je geld).  Deze generaal verklaarde dat hij liever een luchtvloot van 100 'Vipers' had, dan 50 F-15's.

Dan ben ik benieuwd wat de Israelische luchtmacht nu zegt, want we zijn een paar decennia verder. Eind jaren 90 kregen zij de F-15I (gebaseerd op de F-15E) erbij en de F-15IA komt eraan. Hun F-16C/D vloot raakt ook een keer op.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 26/11/2021 | 20:40 uur
Even vloeken in de kerk :

Saab bood Nederland in 2016 (ik dacht) 85 Gripens aan. We hebben nu 46 F-35's bestelt.

Afgezet kosten per vlieguur etc, dus totaal TCO.

Zijn we uiteindelijk beter af met de keuze voor de F-35 (JSF)..? als NL?

Voor de hele historie www.jsfnieuws.nl
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/11/2021 | 21:57 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 26/11/2021 | 21:33 uur
Je weet het nooit echt. Want je vergelijkt een feitelijk geval met een theoretisch geval.

Waren we beter afgeweest met fighters die in 2005 geleverd zouden zijn? Waarschijnlijk wel. Maar de Russen nog de Chinezen zijn gekomen tussen. Toen en nu. En inmiddels begint het F35 een werkbaar aantal te worden.

De vraag is: was de Gripen E al in 2005 geleverd? (De eerst 6 productie kisten worden rond nu geleverd). In aanschaf is ook de Gripen E/F geen low budget kist meer... al scoort dit model een nummer 1 positie in exploitatie kosten.

Los van dit alles denk ik nog steeds dat de Gripen E geen lang leven beschoren is nu ook Saab in Tempest is gestapt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/11/2021 | 22:22 uur
Citaat van: pz op 26/11/2021 | 20:40 uur
Even vloeken in de kerk :

Saab bood Nederland in 2016 (ik dacht) 85 Gripens aan. We hebben nu 46 F-35's bestelt.

Afgezet kosten per vlieguur etc, dus totaal TCO.

Zijn we uiteindelijk beter af met de keuze voor de F-35 (JSF)..? als NL?

Voor de hele historie www.jsfnieuws.nl

Ja als ik de capaciteiten van de F35 afzet tegenover alle alternatieven.. simpelweg ja.

De F35 is geniaal. Kan domme bommen zelfs 'slim' maken. Informatie overdragen op ongekend niveau. Meerdere dingen tegelijk. Enorme eov capaciteit. Bizar wat dat ding kan en hoe veel beter dan de concurrentie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/11/2021 | 22:34 uur
Citaat van: pz op 26/11/2021 | 20:40 uur
Even vloeken in de kerk :

Saab bood Nederland in 2016 (ik dacht) 85 Gripens aan. We hebben nu 46 F-35's bestelt.

Het aanbod van 85 stuks Gripen NG (op dat moment 5,6 miljard EUR) stamt uit 2008.

https://defense-update.com/20080826_gripen_for_netherlands.html

Ter vergelijking de Finse HX fighter competitie. 9,46 miljard EUR en 64 stuks. Het budget kan mogelijk iets stijgen.

https://www.defmin.fi/en/frontpage/administrative_branch/strategic_capability_projects/hx_fighter_program/hx_fighter_program#653616e3

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2021/10/07/finland-tweaks-2022-budget-to-accommodate-hx-fighter-purchase/

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/11/2021 | 21:57 uur
De vraag is: was de Gripen E al in 2005 geleverd? (De eerst 6 productie kisten worden rond nu geleverd). In aanschaf is ook de Gripen E/F geen low budget kist meer... al scoort dit model een nummer 1 positie in exploitatie kosten.

Dat van die exploitatie kosten moet ook nog maar blijken. De Gripen E kan immers niet met de andere Gripen varianten worden vergeleken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 26/11/2021 | 23:44 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 26/11/2021 | 22:34 uur
Het aanbod van 85 stuks Gripen NG (op dat moment 5,6 miljard EUR) stamt uit 2008.

https://defense-update.com/20080826_gripen_for_netherlands.html

Klopt, mijn fout, F35 aanschaf was al besloten in 2016.  Bedankt voor de correctie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/11/2021 | 00:42 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 26/11/2021 | 23:54 uur
Je schiet weinig op met what if terug kijken, tenzij je specifieke duiding zoekt voor de toekomst.

Mijn inschatting voor de toekomst vwb de Gripen E/F is: het is een kist die na 25 jaar vervangen dient te worden. Een MLU is tzt niet rendabel (totaal aantal kisten van een zeer beperkt aantal gebruikers) en ik zie geen nieuwe autonome opvolger. Saab is in Tempest gestapt en heeft niet het kapitaal om op twee paarden te wedden.

Ik had liever gezien dat Saab de gelegenheid had gekregen om hun FS2020 te ontwikkelen (ipv door te borduren op hun Gripen C/D)  wat weer had kunnen leiden tot een lichte/medium 5e gen. kist die bestaansrecht zou hebben gehad naast een middel zware/zware 6e generatie Europese kist (FCAS of Tempest).

Helaas een gepasseerd station.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 27/11/2021 | 10:54 uur
Ik vind het ook jammer dat SAAB zo stilletjesaan aan het einde van haar militaire luchtvaart-tak zal komen...
Een of andere consolidatie zal voor verschillende defensie-industrietakken onvermijdbaar worden:
- partnerschappen
- absorbering
- verdwijning
zijn de opties...
Tempest dus voor SAAB.

En door timing/noodzaak van vervanging lopen we in Europa weer het risico opnieuw/blijvend bij in de VS inkopen te (moeten) doen.
Een gemiste kans was een Orion/Atlantique vervanger op basis van een Airbus-toestel... De P-8 Poseidon is ondertussen al in gebruik bij de Noren en de Britten. Duitsers hebben ook al besteld.
Een equivalent van AH-64, CH-47, CH-53 enz moeten we ook niet verwachten...
Enkel nog voor marines is er nog keuze in een rist landen... tot ook daar de beperkte seriebouw mogelijkheden zal beperken...
Bij de Denen is Odense (bouwer van Absalon en Iver Huitfeldt klasses) verdwenen...
Bij de Duitsers zal ook nog een en ander verdwijnen: Deutsche Marine neemt niet genoeg af en de politiek verstrekt niet snel exportvergunningen (tenzij de klant Israel is).

Damen doet het - voorlopig - nog goed... maar of de commerciele en privébestellingen genoeg zijn om hun werven bezig te houden in afwachting van overheidsorders?
Er zijn klanten... maar er zijn ook mededingers...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 27/11/2021 | 11:48 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 27/11/2021 | 10:54 uur
Bij de Denen is Odense (bouwer van Absalon en Iver Huitfeldt klasses) verdwenen...

Odense heeft een doorstart gemaakt.

https://odensemaritime.com/cases/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 27/11/2021 | 12:03 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 27/11/2021 | 11:48 uur
Odense heeft een doorstart gemaakt.

https://odensemaritime.com/cases/
Odense is een ontwerp-bureau...
De Denen bouwen zelf niet - de werf is niet meer.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 27/11/2021 | 12:41 uur
Net jaarverslag uit 2016 doorgekeken..stelde geen fluit voor.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 27/11/2021 | 14:57 uur
Hoe zit het met de tekortkomingen in de F35?
Laatst was er weer en F35B van de Britten gaan zwemmen.
Volgens mij gaan we heel snel van de F35 af willen. De technologie klinkt leuk, maar functioneert (nog lang) niet. En de F35 is een slecht vliegtuig.
De FS2020 had veel beter geweest voor de NAVO luchtmacht, maar is een gepasseerd station. Bedankt VS voor het lam leggen van de NAVO luchtmacht. Ik zie het geen andere kant opgaan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/11/2021 | 15:17 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 27/11/2021 | 14:57 uur
Hoe zit het met de tekortkomingen in de F35?
Laatst was er weer en F35B van de Britten gaan zwemmen.
Volgens mij gaan we heel snel van de F35 af willen. De technologie klinkt leuk, maar functioneert (nog lang) niet. En de F35 is een slecht vliegtuig.
De FS2020 had veel beter geweest voor de NAVO luchtmacht, maar is een gepasseerd station. Bedankt VS voor het lam leggen van de NAVO luchtmacht. Ik zie het geen andere kant opgaan.

Waar baseer je op dat de F-35 een slecht vliegtuig is en hoezo functioneert het niet? Van de 700 F-35's zijn er maar 7 afgeschreven. Overigens bestaat er geen perfect jachtvliegtuig. Alle bestaande types hebben op allerlei vlakken tekortkomingen gehad.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 27/11/2021 | 16:54 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 26/11/2021 | 19:25 uur
Dan ben ik benieuwd wat de Israelische luchtmacht nu zegt, want we zijn een paar decennia verder. Eind jaren 90 kregen zij de F-15I (gebaseerd op de F-15E) erbij en de F-15IA komt eraan. Hun F-16C/D vloot raakt ook een keer op.
Van de F-15I Ra'am zijn er maar 25 exemplaren afgeleverd.  Van de F-15A/B zijn er slechts 16, en het F-15C/D nog 17 stuks in de inventaris.  Tegenover ca. 175 F-16's in diverse varianten.
In 2004 begon de aflevering van 102 F-16I Sufaim (=Storm).  De "geestelijke vader" achter het F-16I Sufa, was ook de geestelijke vader achter het geannuleerde Lavi project, de politicus Moshe Arens.

Voor het F-35I plant men een vloot van 75 kisten om 3 squadrons te vullen.  Daarnaast komen er 20 - 25 F-15IA (Advanced), plus de F-15I Ra'am wordt flink gemoderniseerd.

Een effectieve strijdmacht moet ook beschikken over voldoende "massa".   Het F-35 bul is te duur om 1 op 1 vervanging te realiseren.  Dus is er een goedkoper alternatief nodig om het F-16 te vervangen en tegelijkertijd voldoende "massa" te behouden.
Ik vermoed dan ook, dat de Israelische luchtmacht vanaf medio jaren 30 het F-16I Sufa wil vervangen via het Multi-Role Fighter (MR-X) programma.
Het MR-X project moet die gemakkelijke (eenvoudige) en goedkope jachtvliegtuig worden, waar grote vraag naar is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 27/11/2021 | 17:19 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/11/2021 | 00:42 uur
Mijn inschatting voor de toekomst vwb de Gripen E/F is: het is een kist die na 25 jaar vervangen dient te worden. Een MLU is tzt niet rendabel (totaal aantal kisten van een zeer beperkt aantal gebruikers) en ik zie geen nieuwe autonome opvolger. Saab is in Tempest gestapt en heeft niet het kapitaal om op twee paarden te wedden.

Ik had liever gezien dat Saab de gelegenheid had gekregen om hun FS2020 te ontwikkelen (ipv door te borduren op hun Gripen C/D)  wat weer had kunnen leiden tot een lichte/medium 5e gen. kist die bestaansrecht zou hebben gehad naast een middel zware/zware 6e generatie Europese kist (FCAS of Tempest).

Helaas een gepasseerd station.
Komt ie weer met zijn MLU.  Beste man, het F-16A/B MLU is een door een Nederlandse testvlieger geinitieerde interim oplossing.  Het F-16A/B was oorspronkelijk bedoeld als een 'injectie die 20 jaar zou werken'.   Dus zouden wij onze 'Vipers' vanaf 1999 moeten vervangen.  De levensduur van het F-16A/B Block 1/5/10/15 best wel 'fragiele vogeltje' werd opgekrikt van slechts 4.000 vlieguren naar 6.000 uren.  De avionica kreeg een flinke make-over, dus werd het F-16AM/BM ook echt multi-role en kan ook 's nachts ingezet worden.  Kwam hiermee qua vaardigheden in de buurt, en in sommige opzichten gelijk aan Rafale F1 en F2, en gelijk aan Typhoon en Gripen.
Ondanks dat er veel gebruik werd gemaakt van parallelle ontwikkelingen, dus er werden veel componenten uit F-16C/D en F-22A Raptor gebruikt.  Bleek dit MLU project toch te duur uit te pakken.  MLU's zijn interessant voor tijden waarin er (te) veel wordt bezuinigd op defensie.  Geen pecunia voor vervanging, dus levensduur oprekken.
Beter is om die verdomde MLU's achterwege te laten en wapensystemen na idealiter 25 jaar, maximaal 30 jaar te vervangen.

Het FS2020 project ontstond in een tijdperk, waarin de meeste politici en burgers nog in een La La Land modus met eeuwig durende vrede geloofden.  Er waren totaal geen budgetten beschikbaar om het FS2020 ook echt te ontwikkelen.  Dus dan maar het JAS39C/D evolueren naar Gripen E.
In Zweden hebben ze ook diverse MLU's uitgevoerd op bijvoorbeeld het Draken en Viggen.  Pakten inderdaad duur tot te duur uit.  Hebben uiteraard een veel kleinere "Scale of Economy" (schaal grootte / voordeel).  Maar de Zweden hebben weer het voordeel dat ze net als de Koninklijke Marine werken via een Gouden Driehoek, van gebruiker- kennis-instituten - producenten. 
Bedenk ook dat 25 % van de JAS39 Gripen onderdelen uit de VS en het Verenigd Koninkrijk komen.
Zo is de AESA radar van het Gripen E een variant op de Captor-E AESA radar in ... de Eurofighter Typhoon.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/11/2021 | 17:27 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 27/11/2021 | 17:19 uur
Komt ie weer met zijn MLU.  Beste man, het F-16A/B MLU is een door een Nederlandse testvlieger geinitieerde interim oplossing.

Het begrip MLU heeft wereldwijd meerdere benamingen en is niet alleen van toepassing op de F-16A/B. De F/A-18A-D Hornet kent ook tal van MLU varianten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 28/11/2021 | 16:56 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 27/11/2021 | 17:27 uur
Het begrip MLU heeft wereldwijd meerdere benamingen en is niet alleen van toepassing op de F-16A/B. De F/A-18A-D Hornet kent ook tal van MLU varianten.
MLU's zijn er inderdaad in allerlei soorten en maten.  Maar sommigen denken dat een F-16 opvolger ook perse een zelfde ingrijpende MLU moet ondergaan.
Om dan vervolgens 44 jaar lang in dienst te houden.

In ieder geval de US Air Force heeft geen zin meer in grote en complexe 20+ jaren lange ontwikkelingstrajecten a la F-22A Raptor en F-35 LightningII.  Zij richten zich op snel te ontwikkelen, fast prototyping, en snel te bouwen digitale e-fighters in kleine series.  Om zodoende de snel veranderende stand van kennis en vooral de eveneens snel veranderende geo-politieke situatie het hoofd te kunnen bieden.

Zweden was hier een trendsetter in, door splitsing van de vlucht kritieke software en missie-kritieke software.  Hierdoor neemt de benodigde test (vlieg)tijd voor modificaties in de boord software aanzienlijk af.  Alleen hebben zij weer te maken met een flinke bottle-neck door te kleine budgetten voor ontwikkeling.

In de rest van de Europese militaire luchtvaart industrie is dat ook een probleem.  Dus je vindt dan ook geen militaire luchtvaart deskundige die denkt dat de gelijktijdige ontwikkeling van twee nieuwe Europese jachtvliegtuig projecten (FCAS en Tempest) realistisch is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/11/2021 | 17:24 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 28/11/2021 | 16:56 uur
Maar sommigen denken dat een F-16 opvolger ook perse een zelfde ingrijpende MLU moet ondergaan.
Om dan vervolgens 44 jaar lang in dienst te houden.


Persoonlijk zie ik liever elke 25 tot 30 jaar een nieuw model en een luchtmacht met een omvang die 2 modellen rechtvaardigt zodat je elke 12.5 a 15 jaar een deel van de vloot dient te vernieuwen.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 28/11/2021 | 18:19 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 28/11/2021 | 16:56 uur
...je vindt dan ook geen militaire luchtvaart deskundige die denkt dat de gelijktijdige ontwikkeling van twee nieuwe Europese jachtvliegtuig projecten (FCAS en Tempest) realistisch is.
Net dat gebeurde toch ook tijdens de ontwikkeling die destijds tot de keuze van de F-35 geleid heeft:
X-32
X-35
waaruit een winnaar geselecteerd werd, de X-35.
Dat gaat in Europa blijkbaar niet gebeuren... twee groepen naties gaan elk afzonderlijk hun eigen luchtvaartindsutrie laten samenwerken. Hieruit zouden dus twee types moeten voortkomen die elk in zeer beperkte mate zullen afgenomen worden. Dure dingen gaan dat worden....

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/11/2021 | 17:24 uur
Persoonlijk zie ik liever elke 25 tot 30 jaar een nieuw model en een luchtmacht met een omvang die 2 modellen rechtvaardigt zodat je elke 12.5 a 15 jaar een deel van de vloot dient te vernieuwen.
Dat lijkt me ook meer zin te maken... maar in de toekomst gaat er gewoon geen keuzen zijn, tenzij iets, drastisch snel verandert.
Zo'n mix van F-35 en de Gripen voor 'de Lage Landen' had ik wel zien zitten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 28/11/2021 | 20:08 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 27/11/2021 | 14:57 uur
Hoe zit het met de tekortkomingen in de F35?
Laatst was er weer en F35B van de Britten gaan zwemmen.

REPORT Royal Navy's F-35 jet has crashed 'because cheap rain cover was left on' during takeoff (https://www.airlive.net/report-royal-navys-f-35-jet-has-crashed-because-cheap-rain-cover-was-left-on-during-takeoff/)...

Misschien even inlezen voordat je de schuld bij het toestel ansich legt?

Citaat
Volgens mij gaan we heel snel van de F35 af willen. De technologie klinkt leuk, maar functioneert (nog lang) niet. En de F35 is een slecht vliegtuig.
De FS2020 had veel beter geweest voor de NAVO luchtmacht, maar is een gepasseerd station. Bedankt VS voor het lam leggen van de NAVO luchtmacht. Ik zie het geen andere kant opgaan.

Flightsim 2020???

En verder, waarom is de F35 slecht? Wat voor inzicht heb jij precies in de niet functionerende technologie?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 28/11/2021 | 21:53 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 27/11/2021 | 14:57 uur
Hoe zit het met de tekortkomingen in de F35?
Laatst was er weer en F35B van de Britten gaan zwemmen.
Volgens mij gaan we heel snel van de F35 af willen. De technologie klinkt leuk, maar functioneert (nog lang) niet. En de F35 is een slecht vliegtuig.
De FS2020 had veel beter geweest voor de NAVO luchtmacht, maar is een gepasseerd station. Bedankt VS voor het lam leggen van de NAVO luchtmacht. Ik zie het geen andere kant opgaan.

Wat enorm slecht dit
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Zander op 28/11/2021 | 22:05 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 28/11/2021 | 21:53 uur
Wat enorm slecht dit
Ssssst, het is Els :silent:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/11/2021 | 22:08 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 28/11/2021 | 20:08 uur
Flightsim 2020???

Ridivek benoemt het Saab FS2020 concept van jaren geleden. Het zou waarschijnlijk best goed hebben gedaan in Ace Combat  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 28/11/2021 | 22:39 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 28/11/2021 | 22:08 uur
Ridivek benoemt het Saab FS2020 concept van jaren geleden. Het zou waarschijnlijk best goed hebben gedaan in Ace Combat  :angel:

Aha... Het zei mij zo ff niks...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/11/2021 | 22:22 uur
Hornets farewelled after more than 35 years of service

By Flight Lieutenant Jessica Aldred

29 November 2021

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Aircraft A21-02 flown by Group Captain Jason Easthope, Chief of Staff, Air Combat Group puts on the last handling display for a RAAF F/A-18 Hornet at RAAF Base Williamtown. Photo: Corporal Craig Barrett

Air Force has farewelled the F/A-18A/B Hornets after more than 35 years of service, with an end of era event at RAAF Base Williamtown on November 29.

In a fitting tribute to the jet, a solo flying display marked its final farewell to the Australian public at the Wings over Illawarra Airshow on November 28.

The first two F/A-18A/B Hornets arrived in Australia on June 6, 1984, partially disassembled in the back of a C-5 Galaxy all the way from St. Louis, Missouri, United States. They were followed by the next two Hornets, flown in a non-stop record-breaking trans-Pacific 15-hour ferry on May 17, 1985.

Over the next 3 decades, 71 Hornets contributed to multiple operations and exercises through the dedication of all aviators at Nos. 3, 75 and 77 Squadron, and No. 2 Operational Conversion Unit.

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Minister for Defence The Hon Peter Dutton MP, with Air Force personnel at the farewell ceremony for the F/A-18 Hornet held at RAAF Base Williamtown. Photo: Corporal Craig Barrett

Commander Air Combat Group, Air Commodore Tim Alsop, said the farewell activity included a flying display over Tindal and Williamtown to thank the community for their support.

"We could not conduct our flying operations and exercises without the support of the community, particularly around RAAF Bases Tindal, Williamtown and Darwin – they have supported us for the last 30 years and for that we thank them," Air Commodore Alsop said.

"The Hornets have contributed to Australia's air power for one third of Air Force's centenary, protecting Australia and its interests both at home and on the world stage.

"Whilst pilots are critical to fly a Hornet, it's a team effort to keep them in the air – with technicians, engineers, logistics, life support fitters, personnel capability and security forces all ensuring that the Hornet could conduct its role."

The F/A-18A (single seat) and F/A-18B (twin seat) Hornets have been an integral part of Australia's air combat capability, capable of air-to-air and air-to-ground missions.

The F/A-18A/B Hornets deployed to Operations Slipper, Falconer and Okra conducting strike and close air support missions in support of coalition forces.

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(l-r) Air Commodore Tim Alsop, Group Captain Jason Easthope, Minister for Defence, the Hon Peter Dutton MP, Chief of Air Force, Air Marshal Mel Hupfeld, AO, DSC, and his wife Louise Hupfeld, in front of F/A-18A A21-02 at RAAF Base Williamtown.

Chief of Staff Air Combat Group, Group Captain Jason Easthope, said the Hornet was a capable aircraft that served Air Force with distinction.

"For the last 20 years, the Hornets have served on multiple operations overseas and at home, including our contribution to strike missions on Operations Falconer and Okra – this was significant as Australia had not dropped bombs in combat since the Vietnam War," Group Captain Easthope said.

"On Operation Okra, F/A-18A/B Hornet squadrons flew 1937 missions and more than 14,780 flying hours, delivering approximately 1,600 munitions.

"Flying is my passion and I will always have a soft spot for the Hornet."

The end of Hornet operations for No. 75 Squadron marks the beginning of a new chapter, as the Air Force transitions to the F-35A Lightning II.

Imagery from the farewell event is available at: Defence Images: Search: s20213709 (https://images.defence.gov.au/assets/s20213709)

https://news.defence.gov.au/capability/hornets-farewelled-after-more-35-years-service
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: bergd op 30/11/2021 | 06:40 uur
Uitgelekte videobeelden tonen hoe straaljager van Brits vliegdekschip tuimelt
Op sociale media zijn beelden verschenen waarop is te zien hoe een Britse F35 van vliegdekschip HMS Queen Elizabeth in de Middellandse zee neerstort. Tijdens het opstijgen raakt de piloot plots in de problemen. De straaljager zelf belandde in zee, de piloot wist zich te redden met de schietstoel. Het incident dateert al van 17 november, maar nu pas zijn details van het ongeval naar buiten gekomen.

https://www.ad.nl/buitenland/uitgelekte-videobeelden-tonen-hoe-straaljager-van-brits-vliegdekschip-tuimelt~a28ed6731/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 30/11/2021 | 08:04 uur
Citaat van: bergd op 30/11/2021 | 06:40 uur
Uitgelekte videobeelden tonen hoe straaljager van Brits vliegdekschip tuimelt
Op sociale media zijn beelden verschenen waarop is te zien hoe een Britse F35 van vliegdekschip HMS Queen Elizabeth in de Middellandse zee neerstort. Tijdens het opstijgen raakt de piloot plots in de problemen. De straaljager zelf belandde in zee, de piloot wist zich te redden met de schietstoel. Het incident dateert al van 17 november, maar nu pas zijn details van het ongeval naar buiten gekomen.

https://www.ad.nl/buitenland/uitgelekte-videobeelden-tonen-hoe-straaljager-van-brits-vliegdekschip-tuimelt~a28ed6731/

Leuk de beelden maar als er een beschermingskap tegen  regen niet verwijderd wordt zodat de motor niet voldoende stuwkracht kan ontwikkelen is toch wel een flinke blunder.

https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/1505709092/neergestorte-britse-f35-had-zijn-regenjasje-nog-aan
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ridivek op 30/11/2021 | 12:43 uur
Citaat van: Ace1 op 30/11/2021 | 08:04 uur
Leuk de beelden maar als er een beschermingskap tegen  regen niet verwijderd wordt zodat de motor niet voldoende stuwkracht kan ontwikkelen is toch wel een flinke blunder.

https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/1505709092/neergestorte-britse-f35-had-zijn-regenjasje-nog-aan

Een blunder van ruim 150mln en de rug van een piloot.

Ik ben er nog totaal niet van overtuigd dat te tweede generatie computer hardware + software integratie goed gaat zijn. Heel veel technologie is alleen voor de F35 ontwikkeld en mocht niet naar andere straaljagers. Dit vind ik de grootste fout in het F35-project.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 30/11/2021 | 13:07 uur
Volgens mij is hier veel meer aan de hand
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 30/11/2021 | 16:06 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 30/11/2021 | 12:43 uur
Ik ben er nog totaal niet van overtuigd dat te tweede generatie computer hardware + software integratie goed gaat zijn. Heel veel technologie is alleen voor de F35 ontwikkeld en mocht niet naar andere straaljagers.
Wat heeft dat met dit incident te maken?
Een cover die in de inlaat van de liftfan ligt en niet word gezien bij de checks, en de piloot die het opstijgen afbreekt omdat er allemaal alarmbellen af gaan in de cockpit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 30/11/2021 | 16:15 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 30/11/2021 | 12:43 uur
Een blunder van ruim 150mln en de rug van een piloot.

Ik ben er nog totaal niet van overtuigd dat te tweede generatie computer hardware + software integratie goed gaat zijn. Heel veel technologie is alleen voor de F35 ontwikkeld en mocht niet naar andere straaljagers. Dit vind ik de grootste fout in het F35-project.

Als je niet met zulke zwam onzin kwam viel het wel mee maar dit is weer gezever zonder enige kennis van zaken. Gewoon jammer.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/11/2021 | 16:46 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 30/11/2021 | 12:43 uur
Ik ben er nog totaal niet van overtuigd dat te tweede generatie computer hardware + software integratie goed gaat zijn.

Waarom ben je niet overtuigd van Block 4? De F-16 is ook niet blijven hangen op Block 10 specificaties van 1980.

Citaat van: ridivek op 30/11/2021 | 12:43 uur
Heel veel technologie is alleen voor de F35 ontwikkeld en mocht niet naar andere straaljagers. Dit vind ik de grootste fout in het F35-project.

De fabrikant behoudt altijd bepaalde rechten. Was in het verleden bij bepaalde types ook zo. Laat de concurrentie maar met iets soortgelijks komen. Het is niet zo dat een fabrikant bepaalde technologieën moet delen. Boeing is ook niet verplicht een eigen technologie te delen met Lockheed Martin.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 30/11/2021 | 17:07 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 30/11/2021 | 12:43 uur
Dit vind ik de grootste fout in het F35-project.

Jij-kunt-geen-waardeoordeel-hierover-vellen.

Je kent het project niet. Je bent nergens over geinformeerd. Je hebt een F35 nog nooit van dichtbij gezien.

Man waar heb je het toch over.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 30/11/2021 | 18:44 uur
Citaat van: ridivek op 30/11/2021 | 12:43 uur
Ik ben er nog totaal niet van overtuigd dat te tweede generatie computer hardware + software integratie goed gaat zijn.

Wat versta jij precies onder "tweede generatie computer hard-/ software"?

Citaat
Dit vind ik de grootste fout in het F35-project.

De "grootste"? Wat nog meer dan?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/12/2021 | 23:08 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 03/12/2021 | 16:40 uur
80 Rafale F4 voor de Verenigde Arabische Emiraten (VAE)

Dassault strikt nieuwe klant voor Rafale F4

https://www.pilootenvliegtuig.nl/2021/12/03/dassault-strikt-nieuwe-klant-voor-rafale-f4/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/12/2021 | 16:48 uur
F-35 Selected By The Finnish Defense Forces To Replace F/A-18 Hornets According To Local Media

https://theaviationist.com/2021/12/06/f-35-finland/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/12/2021 | 13:15 uur
More Super Hornets to undergo life extension

Boeing is extending the service life of USN-operated F/A-18E/F aircraft.

Boeing will extend the service life of 32 F/A-18E/F Super Hornet aircraft for the USN, under a  $366.46 million modification to a previously awarded IDIQ contract.

Work under the latest award Naval Air Systems Command will be performed in San Antonio, Texas (80%) and St Louis, Missouri (20%), for completion in May 2024.

Boeing delivered the first Super Hornet to the USN in February 2020 under the Service Life Modification (SLM) Block III conversion programme.

The initial Super Hornets delivered under SLM extended the aircraft's service life from 6,000 to 7,500 flight hours.

However, future modification plans in the early 2020s will incorporate new Block III capabilities and enable the aircraft to fly 10,000 hours.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/air-warfare/more-super-hornets-to-undergo-life-extension/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 10/12/2021 | 14:58 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 06/12/2021 | 16:48 uur
F-35 Selected By The Finnish Defense Forces To Replace F/A-18 Hornets According To Local Media

https://theaviationist.com/2021/12/06/f-35-finland/

Zoals de laaste dagen al het gerucht ging de F-35A. Met het aantal van 64 stuks zitten de Finnen wel gelijk bij de groep ''grote gebruikers''.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 10/12/2021 | 15:37 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 10/12/2021 | 14:58 uur
Zoals de laaste dagen al het gerucht ging de F-35A. Met het aantal van 64 stuks zitten de Finnen wel gelijk bij de groep ''grote gebruikers''.
Jup, best een "respectworthy" aantal... Flink aantal boven wat Belgie en Nederland afzonderlijk bestellen.
En wanneer je naar de rest van hun krijgsmacht kijkt doen ze het daar zeker niet slecht. Kan men in mijn thuisland wel wat lessen uit trekken...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/12/2021 | 15:51 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 10/12/2021 | 15:37 uur
Jup, best een "respectworthy" aantal... Flink aantal boven wat Belgie en Nederland afzonderlijk bestellen.

Finland wil hun vloot 1 op 1 vervangen. Er waren immers 64 Hornets geleverd (1995-2000). Lange tijd mocht Finland als neutraal land ook maar ca. 60 jachtvliegtuigen hebben. Laten ze in Finland maar snel de winnaar bekend maken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/12/2021 | 19:52 uur
De kogel is door de Finse kerk.

Finland orders 64 Lockheed F-35 fighter jets for $9.4 bln

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/lockheed-f-35-jet-wins-finnish-fighter-competition-source-2021-12-10/

Edit. Bericht van Lockheed Martin

Finland Selects the F-35 Lightning II as Its Next Fighter

https://www.f35.com/f35/news-and-features/finland-selects-the-f35-lighting-ii-as-its-next-fighter.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 11/12/2021 | 02:29 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 10/12/2021 | 19:52 uur
De kogel is door de Finse kerk.

Finland orders 64 Lockheed F-35 fighter jets for $9.4 bln

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/lockheed-f-35-jet-wins-finnish-fighter-competition-source-2021-12-10/

Edit. Bericht van Lockheed Martin

Finland Selects the F-35 Lightning II as Its Next Fighter

https://www.f35.com/f35/news-and-features/finland-selects-the-f35-lighting-ii-as-its-next-fighter.html
Mooi! Hopelijk komt er ooit nog een tweede batch ter afschrikking van de Rus, maar dit is tenminste zoals het hoort. Gewoon 1 op 1 vervangen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/12/2021 | 11:45 uur
F-35A is HX – The Winner Takes It All

https://corporalfrisk.com/2021/12/11/f-35a-is-hx-the-winner-takes-it-all/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/12/2021 | 15:22 uur
MOROCCO WILL RECEIVE UP TO 68 ADVANCED MIRAGE 2000-9 FROM UAE AMID TENSIONES WITH SPAIN AND ALGERIA FOR SPANISH WESTERN SAHARA AND SPANISH TERRITORIES IN NORTH AFRICA

https://miragec14.blogspot.com/2021/12/morocco-will-receive-up-to-68-advanced.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 12/12/2021 | 05:41 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/12/2021 | 15:22 uur
MOROCCO WILL RECEIVE UP TO 68 ADVANCED MIRAGE 2000-9 FROM UAE AMID TENSIONES WITH SPAIN AND ALGERIA FOR SPANISH WESTERN SAHARA AND SPANISH TERRITORIES IN NORTH AFRICA

https://miragec14.blogspot.com/2021/12/morocco-will-receive-up-to-68-advanced.html

Dat is een behoorlijke uitbreiding van de Marokaanse capciteiten, waar ze nu een kleine 100 jets in hebben staan op papier is 68 extra toestellen echt een sterke uitbreiding.
Volgens wikipedia heeft Marokko nu 26 Mirage F1's, 26 F-5's, 23 F-16C/D's & 25 F-16V's in bestelling.

Ondanks de vriendelijke houding van het land naar het Westen op dit moment zou het mij niets verbazen dat ook Marokko op langere termijn meer gaat richten op het Midden-Oosten en daarmee ook de houding naar het westen kan gaan veranderen. Een land om (militair) in de gaten te houden wat mij betreft.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/12/2021 | 12:37 uur
Norwegian F-16s for Romania

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/norwegian-f-16s-for-romania
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 12/12/2021 | 18:36 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/12/2021 | 12:37 uur
Norwegian F-16s for Romania

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/norwegian-f-16s-for-romania
Een flinke uitbreiding voor Roemenië als het doorgaat! Ik vraag me wel af hoeveel uren die F-16 frames nog in zich hebben.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/12/2021 | 22:06 uur
RAF Lakenheath welcomes first 5th Generation F-35'

By 48th Fighter Wing Public Affairs, 48th Fighter Wing Public Affairs / Published December 15, 2021

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A U.S. Air Force F-35A Lightning II assigned to the 495th Fighter Squadron lands on the flightline at Royal Air Force Lakenheath, Dec. 15, 2021. The arrival of the 5th-generation aircraft at the Liberty Wing has been planned since 2015, marking its placement within the United Kingdom a critical component for training and combat readiness due to airspace and F-35 program partnership.(U.S. Air Force photo by Senior Airman Koby I. Saunders)


ROYAL AIR FORCE LAKENHEATH, England --
RAF Lakenheath received its first delivery of F-35A Lightning II aircraft December 15. This is the result of a force posture adjustment that has been six years in the making. Announced in 2015, the long-anticipated arrival of the F-35 marks RAF Lakenheath as the first base in United States Air Forces in Europe to receive the new fifth generation aircraft.

"Our coalition forces train and fight in the most dynamic theater, requiring the most advanced platforms," said Gen. Jeff Harrigian, U.S. Air Forces in Europe – Air Forces Africa commander."The Valkyries are leading our F-35 integration across Europe. We've come a long way, and now we're extending our reach as a coalition force and what we will accomplish together."

RAF Lakenheath was selected in 2015 to host the first U.S. F-35A squadrons in Europe based on very close ties with the RAF, existing infrastructure, and combined training opportunities. The U.K. is a critical component in training and combat readiness for Air Forces in Europe due to its excellent airspace and F-35 program partnership.

"'Valkyries' epitomizes the force's move toward more inclusivity and equally represents the fifth-generation stealth fighter's air superiority," said Lt. Col. Ian McLaughlin, 495 FS commander. "Like the Valkyries themselves, we'll be vital to determining the fate of our adversaries in the battlespace."

The F-35A is an agile, versatile, high-performance, 9g-capable multirole fighter that combines stealth, sensor fusion and unprecedented situational awareness. The aircraft will belong to the 495th Fighter Squadron, which was nicknamed the "Valkyries" during a voting contest in 2020. The new F-35 squadron will consist of 24 aircraft, delivered in a phased approach.

"The amount of support we received, and continue to receive, from the community both here and back home has been overwhelming and highly appreciated," said Col. Jason Camilletti, 48th Fighter Wing commander.

For more information and imagery on the F-35A arrival to RAF Lakenheath please visit: https://www.dvidshub.net/unit/48FWPA.

https://www.lakenheath.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2873848/raf-lakenheath-welcomes-first-5th-generation-f-35/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/12/2021 | 23:05 uur
RAF Lakenheath wordt straks druk. Op dit moment heeft de 48th FW 20 stuks F-15C/D Eagle (493rd FS) en 55 stuks F-15E (492nd FS en 494th FS).

https://www.airforcemag.com/air-force-fleet-120-airplanes-smaller-since-2020/

Alleen de F-15E blijft en daar komen 48 stuks F-35A bij (493rd FS en 495th FS).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/01/2022 | 12:18 uur
'The Royal Thai Air Force wants to buy eight F-35 jet fighters, the Lightning II is cheaper than Gripen E,' the Service's Commander-In-Chief says

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/the-royal-thai-air-force-wants-to-buy-eight-f-35-jet-fighters-the-lightning-ii-is-cheaper-than-gripen-e-the-services-commander-in-chief-says/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 02/01/2022 | 13:02 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/01/2022 | 12:18 uur
'The Royal Thai Air Force wants to buy eight F-35 jet fighters, the Lightning II is cheaper than Gripen E,' the Service's Commander-In-Chief says

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/the-royal-thai-air-force-wants-to-buy-eight-f-35-jet-fighters-the-lightning-ii-is-cheaper-than-gripen-e-the-services-commander-in-chief-says/
Aankoop is 1 en die wordt voor de verkoop nu extra gedrukt door LM denk ik, masr hoe zit het met de kosten van onderhoud.
En de langetermijn kosten
En infrastructuur kosten, aanoassingen hangaars.

En daarbij F35 is 82 miljoen en Gripen E is 85 miljoen. Das maar 3 miljoen verschil.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 02/01/2022 | 13:04 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 02/01/2022 | 13:02 uur
Aankoop is 1 en die wordt voor de verkoop nu extra gedrukt door LM denk ik, masr hoe zit het met de kosten van onderhoud.
En de langetermijn kosten
En infrastructuur kosten, aanoassingen hangaars.

En daarbij F35 is 82 miljoen en Gripen E is 85 miljoen. Das maar 3 miljoen verschil.

Gezien de banden met China zie ik deze verkoop niet gebeuren. Los van het financiële.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/01/2022 | 14:23 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 02/01/2022 | 13:04 uur
Gezien de banden met China zie ik deze verkoop niet gebeuren. Los van het financiële.

Ditzelfde schreef iemand op het f-16.net forum.

CitaatThailand, which buys Chinese submarines and has China as its main economic partner, will never be allowed to buy the F-35.

https://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=58232&sid=a337878a9db7cd02540f43d52ef47a89
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/01/2022 | 20:02 uur
Abraham Lincoln Carrier Strike Group Deploys With Marine F-35C Squadron

https://news.usni.org/2022/01/03/abraham-lincoln-carrier-strike-group-deploys-with-marine-f-35c-squadron
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lex op 04/01/2022 | 23:10 uur
F-35A Makes Emergency Landing on Air Base, Pilot Exits Jet Safely

http://world.kbs.co.kr/service/news_view.htm?Seq_Code=166725&lang=e
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/01/2022 | 22:57 uur
F-35 takes over QRA mission from F-16

Thursday 6 January 2022 was a historic day for the Royal Norwegian Air Force. On this day, Norway's new F-35s officially took over the QRA mission, ending the F-16 fleet's 42 year-long mission serving Norway and NATO.

PUBLISHED 6. JAN 2022 11:56

Updated: 6. Jan 2022 13:31

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The formal transfer of authority from F-16 to F-35 took place at Evenes Air Base in northern Norway at 11:45 on Thursday 6 January 2022.

Due to heavy snowfall and low visibilty, the original programme was shortened. However, the event was still a historical milestone for the Norwegian Armed Forces and the Royal Norwegian Air Force.

"F-35 has now received the baton from F-16, continuing to keep a constant guard. I sense a great pride today. The introduction of the new fighter jets has been a great success, thanks to our passionate and talented personnel and partners", says Major General Rolf Folland, Chief of the Royal Norwegian Air Force.

(https://www.forsvaret.no/en/news/articles/f-35-qra/_/image/253d3814-665e-40a1-926e-e0b6406fe257:5ef756561bf5899836affc73ad2d9bbc0cc5fb56/width-768/20220106tk_I2431.jpg)
Chief of the Royal Norwegian Air Force, Major General Rolf Folland, in front of one of the F-35s based at Evenes. Photo by Torbjørn Kjosvold, Norwegian Armed Forces

The QRA mission

For the past decades, Norway's fleet of F-16s has carried out the Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) on behalf of NATO from Bodø Air Base in northern Norway. Now, the F-35s handle this mission from Evenes Air Base a little further north. Evenes is currently under development and construction to house both F-35s and the coming fleet of P-8 Poseidon Maritime Patrolling Aircraft.

Norway conducts the QRA mission on behalf of NATO. This means that Norway continuously has to fighter jets on standby at all times. If unknown aircraft come close to Norwegian – and NATO – airspace, the F-35s are scrambled and airborne within 15 minutes. Then they find, observe and document any unknown aircraft that come close to Norway and NATO airspace.

The history of Norway's F-35s

I 1980, Norway started operating its fleet of F-16s, and this fleet has now retired. In the 2010s, Norway decided to replace the F-16 fleet with a fleet of 52 new F-35A fighter jets.

In 2015, Norwegian personnel consisting of pilots and technicians arrived at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona, USA. From there, they started educating both pilots and technical personnel to operate the new fighter jets.

The first Norwegian F-35 touched Norwegian ground (https://www.forsvaret.no/en/news/archive/the-future-has-landed) in November 2017 at Ørland Air Base, central Norway. The F-35 organisation immediately started a series of operational testing and evaluations.

The F-35 fleet has its home base at Ørland, but some of the F-35s will be based at Evenes to conduct the QRA mission. The F-35 system and organisation have also served in two international missions – Iceland Air Policing in 2020 and 2021 (https://www.forsvaret.no/en/exercises-and-operations/international-operations/iceland-air-policing).

(https://www.forsvaret.no/en/news/articles/f-35-qra/_/image/89d9521c-0b08-4e16-bcd5-8ab5ffd5baa5:00cc20f7351d4085a260f1e3078a79b9de0ab585/width-768/20220106tk_I2383.jpg)
One of the F-35s based at Evenes for the QRA mission. Photo by Torbjørn Kjosvold, Norwegian Armed Forces

Evenes Air Base

Evenes Air Base is located along the border of Nordland County and Troms and Finnmark County in northern Norway. Evenes is will be the Air Force's most significant base in the north, serving as a complex base for the F-35, in addition to being the main base for the coming fleet of P-8 Poseidons.

The F-35 and P-8 are among the most important capacities in the defence of Norway. Evenes Air Base also has an air defence battalion and a force protection squadron – seving together with the base's own base defece. Multiple support functions have additionally been established. By 2025, about 500 employees and 300 conscripts will be working at the airport.

The Norwegian fleet of 52 F-35s will be complete and fully operational by 2025.

https://www.forsvaret.no/en/news/articles/f-35-qra
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/01/2022 | 23:07 uur
Christine Lambrecht prepares to buy fighter jets (wordt de F-35 voor Duitsland toch weer mogelijk?)

Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht has prepared two controversial armaments projects. In doing so, the coalition wants to meet NATO requirements.

January 8, 2022, 8:23 am Source: ZEIT ONLINE, dpa, ces

Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht has begun preparing two long-controversial armaments projects. The SPD politician has already spoken with Federal Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) about the Tornado succession, as the news agency dpa learned from government circles in Berlin.

Lambrecht's predecessor in the ministerial office, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer (CDU), had decided to buy F-18 fighter jets in the USA as a successor to the Tornado fleet introduced 40 years ago. The US model is intended to enable Germany's so-called nuclear participation in US weapons. A certification of the European model Eurofighter for this seemed to involve more effort or even impossible in the foreseeable future. NATO's nuclear deterrence concept stipulates that allies must have access to US nuclear weapons in the event of war, i.e. they must be able to carry the bombs to the target.

Following Scholz's discussion with Lambrecht, several test orders were placed. The aim is to clarify once again whether a purchase of the more modern F-35 aircraft could be an alternative and whether the Eurofighter is suitable for a second task of the Tornado fleet: electronic combat. In addition, the necessary steps and time sequences for arming the new Bundeswehr drone Heron TP are to be recorded.

Armed drones agreed in coalition agreement

The SPD, Greens and FDP had decided in November in their coalition agreement to enable the arming of drones. These could contribute to the protection of soldiers deployed abroad, it says. The three traffic light partners also agreed to procure "a successor system for the Tornado fighter aircraft at the beginning of the 20th legislative period". "We will accompany the procurement and certification process with a view to Germany's nuclear sharing objectively and conscientiously."

Germany's participation in nuclear sharing has recently been controversial. In Büchel in the Eifel, 20 thermonuclear B61 gravitational bombs of the US armed forces are to be stored, which can be linked under German Tornadoes.

The previous deterrence concept stipulates that Tornadoes specializing in electronic combat would accompany the bombers protectively. According to previous plans, about 30 F-18s of the Super Hornet version were to be procured for nuclear sharing. For electronic air combat – disrupting, holding down and fighting enemy anti-aircraft positions – 15 F-18s in the Growler version should also be purchased.

https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2022-01/bundeswehr-christine-lambrecht-ruestungsprojekte-kampfjets-drohnen?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2F
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/01/2022 | 21:25 uur
NNSA Removes F/A-18F Super Hornet From Nuclear Bomb Fact Sheet

https://fas.org/blogs/security/2021/12/fa-18_removed-from-fact-sheet/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/01/2022 | 22:05 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 10/01/2022 | 21:25 uur
NNSA Removes F/A-18F Super Hornet From Nuclear Bomb Fact Sheet


Dat maakt dan vermoedelijk duidelijk waarom de F-35A weer in beeld is bij de Duitsers.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/01/2022 | 07:46 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/01/2022 | 22:05 uur
Dat maakt dan vermoedelijk duidelijk waarom de F-35A weer in beeld is bij de Duitsers.

aaahaa, duidelijk, ik had zoiets ook al gelezen.

New German government revisits Tornado replacement options
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2022/01/10/new-german-government-revisits-tornado-replacement-options/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 11/01/2022 | 08:44 uur
Over de Duitsers en de Fransen FCAS

Citaat

And the French-German cooperation on FCAS is far from going swimmingly at the moment, according to Brandl, who blamed France's Dassault for refusing to sign an industry contract for the aircraft portion of the program.

"Dassault is not ready to accept Airbus as a partner on equal terms," he told Defense News. "They are saying, 'We'll do FCAS, but only by our rules.'"

With Dassault's export order books for its Rafale fighter full, the company may see less reason to agree on an FCAS fighter and focus on upgrades for its own jet instead, Brandl argued. In that sense, German talk of of an F-35 buy may serve as a fall-back option, he added.

Gaat lekker daar, gaat er niet worden die Duits Franse samenwerking zo. Maar met Fransen lijkt ook wel niet samen te werken tenzij ze bovenliggende en dominant mogen zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/01/2022 | 09:49 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 11/01/2022 | 08:44 uur
Over de Duitsers en de Fransen FCAS

Gaat lekker daar, gaat er niet worden die Duits Franse samenwerking zo. Maar met Fransen lijkt ook wel niet samen te werken tenzij ze bovenliggende en dominant mogen zijn.

Je voelt haast (wederom) een Franse 'alleingang' aankomen, na voorbeeld Typhoon/Rafale.

Fransozen in je programma is killing voor je zeggenschap. Duitsers in je programma, zeker met deze nieuwe regering, is killing voor eventuele export naar landen waar de progressieve wereld iets van meent te moeten vinden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 11/01/2022 | 10:24 uur
Hopen dat de Duitsers voor de F35 kiezen. Misschien komt er daarna wat beweging in toekomstig Europese fighter ontwerp en de ego van Frankrijk.

Dit is onwerkbaar en onhoudbaar. Het FCAS probleem heeft directe gevolgen voor elk ander gedeeld programma zoals het MGCS.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/01/2022 | 10:39 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 11/01/2022 | 10:24 uur
Hopen dat de Duitsers voor de F35 kiezen. Misschien komt er daarna wat beweging in toekomstig Europese fighter ontwerp en de ego van Frankrijk.

De dual capable F-35A is voor Duitsland op dit moment de meest logische keuze. Duitsland draait zelf op voor de kosten voor zowel een dual capable Typhoon als een dual capable Super Hornet. De Growler is voor Duitsland alleen interessant als de kosten voor een dual capable Super Hornet laag blijft. Nu de US Navy geen kosten deelt, is de Growler waarschijnlijk niet de gedoodverfde opvolger van de Tornado ECR.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 11/01/2022 | 10:40 uur
Frankrijk moet gewoon eens heel goed met z'n nekvel naar rechts worden gericht. Wellicht een paar keer bereden worden door een ander dominant europese alfa zou alles wel helpen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/01/2022 | 11:03 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 11/01/2022 | 10:40 uur
Frankrijk moet gewoon eens heel goed met z'n nekvel naar rechts worden gericht. Wellicht een paar keer bereden worden door een ander dominant europese alfa zou alles wel helpen.

Ik vraag me af of je die "neus in de lucht" mentaliteit er uit kun krijgen bij de Fransen, ze zijn stront eigenwijs, weten het altijd beter en er is maar 1 weg en dat is de Franse weg en verder niet.

Frankrijk gewoon negeren en links laten liggen, alles waar je Frankrijk in betrekt of samenwerkt, vertraagd, vervuild en uiteindelijk is er geen samenwerking. Want dan treed de Franse regel 1 weer in werking. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/01/2022 | 11:20 uur
Misschien moeten de Duitsers toch de F-15EX op het lijstje, naast de F-35A plaatsen, Die kist is dan wel een bedreiging voor de Typhoon doorontwikkeling maar vermoedelijk niet voor FCAS.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/01/2022 | 11:25 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/01/2022 | 11:20 uur
Misschien moeten de Duitsers toch de F-15EX op het lijstje, naast de F-35A plaatsen, Die kist is dan wel een bedreiging voor de Typhoon doorontwikkeling maar vermoedelijk niet voor FCAS.

De F-15EX als vervanging van wat? De oudere Typhoons worden al vervangen door een geavanceerde variant.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/01/2022 | 11:49 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/01/2022 | 11:25 uur
De F-15EX als vervanging van wat? De oudere Typhoons worden al vervangen door een geavanceerde variant.

Als Tornado vervanger in een nucleaire rol.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 11/01/2022 | 11:55 uur
Gewoon de F35 als dat toestel de behoefte het beste vervult. Het moet eens afgelopen zijn met die chauvinistische onzin. Het probleem heeft een oplossing nodig. Alsof we zonder de Amerikanen maar op vakantie kunnen als Europa. En dat hangt echt niet af in de toekomst van FCAS.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 11/01/2022 | 12:06 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/01/2022 | 09:49 uur
Je voelt haast (wederom) een Franse 'alleingang' aankomen, na voorbeeld Typhoon/Rafale.
idd...
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/01/2022 | 09:49 uur
Fransozen in je programma is killing voor je zeggenschap.
Duitsers in je programma, zeker met deze nieuwe regering, is killing voor eventuele export naar landen waar de progressieve wereld iets van meent te moeten vinden.
Dat lijkt dan weer net niet een probleem te zijn voor de Fransen...  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/01/2022 | 12:13 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/01/2022 | 11:49 uur
Als Tornado vervanger in een nucleaire rol.

Ook bij de F-15EX zal iemand voor de dual capabilty kosten moeten opdraaien. Als blijkt dat ook weer voor rekening van Duitsland zelf is, dan schiet het alsnog niet op. Het was anders geweest als de F-15EX heel duidelijk door de USAF was aangesteld als vervanger van de F-15E. Dan hadden beide de kosten kunnen delen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/01/2022 | 12:33 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 11/01/2022 | 12:06 uur
idd...Dat lijkt dan weer net niet een probleem te zijn voor de Fransen...  ;D

Wel als het om vitale Duitse onderdelen gaat die specifiek voor een systeem zijn/worden ontwikkeld.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 11/01/2022 | 12:35 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/01/2022 | 12:13 uur
Ook bij de F-15EX zal iemand voor de dual capabilty kosten moeten opdraaien. Als blijkt dat ook weer voor rekening van Duitsland zelf is, dan schiet het alsnog niet op. Het was anders geweest als de F-15EX heel duidelijk door de USAF was aangesteld als vervanger van de F-15E. Dan hadden beide de kosten kunnen delen.

Dat is waar (ik weet niet of de EX duel capabilty gaat krijgen).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: StrataNL op 11/01/2022 | 14:38 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 11/01/2022 | 10:40 uur
Frankrijk moet gewoon eens heel goed met z'n nekvel naar rechts worden gericht. Wellicht een paar keer bereden worden door een ander dominant europese alfa zou alles wel helpen.
Het blijven Fransen...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/01/2022 | 17:04 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 11/01/2022 | 16:56 uur
Het hoeven er niet eens veel te zijn.

Dezelfde hoeveel als met de Super Hornets (30) en de Growlers (15). Eventueel 4/5 extra voor de vliegopleiding.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 11/01/2022 | 18:44 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 11/01/2022 | 16:56 uur
Jup. In alle opzichten lijkt dat het meest geschikte toestel voor die rol. Alsook geschikt voor een gedeelte van de ECR taken.

Het hoeven er niet eens veel te zijn.

De grote vraag is of de F-35 geschikt is (of gemaakt kan worden) als vervanger van de EA-18 Growler. Natuurlijk beschikt de F-35 zelf over een EW pakket maar ik weet niet of dit vergelijkbaar is (of beter) dan die van de EA-18's.

Volgens de wikipedia van de EA-18 draagt de kist standaard het volgende pakket;
- 2x wingtip rails met AN/ALQ-218 detection pods i.p.v. AIM-9 Sidewinders
- 2x 480 gallon droptanks (binnenste hardpoints)
- 2x AN/ALQ-99 High Band Jamming Pods (middelste hardpoints)
- 2x AGM-88 HARM raketten (buitenste hardpoints)
- 2x AIM-120 AMRAAM op de romp
- 1x AN/ALQ-99  Low Band Jamming Pod (cetrale hardpoint)

Daarnaast is het kanon verwijderd en zit daar in de plaats de controle module voor de verschillende pod's.

Even ter verduidelijking van de tekst;
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bcb64fc1c3126f5a9655a8a89aeec80b)

Met een F-35A kom je al snel uit op het feit dat je de kist niet kan uitrusten zoals de EA-18 zonder hier gebruik te maken van de hardpoints onder de vleugels waardoor het toestel een (groot) deel van de stealth verliest. Als ik dat punt even opzij zet (want; EA-18 is ook niet stealth) dan zou het in theorie moeten kunnen.

Fictieve opstelling EA-35 ;
- 2x AN/ALQ-218 detection pods i.p.v. AIM-9's
- 2x 460/600 gallon droptanks (binnenste hardpoints)
- 2x AN/ALQ-99 High Band Jamming Pods (middelste hardpoints)
- 2x AGM-88G AARGM-ER (interne weaponsbay)
- 2x AIM-120 AMRAAM (interne weaponsbay)
- 1x AN/ALQ-99  Low Band Jamming Pod (cetrale hardpoint)

Ook bij de F-35 kan je (indien nodig het kanon verwijderen en hier aansturing en/of computers plaatsen die helpen bij de ECR taken en eventueel ook een deel AI zodat de piloot minder werk te doen heeft. Het grootste probleem zit hem waarschijnlijk in het ontbreken van een 2e persoon in het toestel, maar misschien is dit op te lossen door (deels) AI en/of (deels) een 2e persoon op de grond zoals ook gebeurd bij UAV's. Dat laatste weet ik niet zeker of dat operationeel haalbaar is maar dat zou nog een optie kunnen zijn. Waarbij de ''2e man'' dus niet in het toestel aanwezig is maar wel delen van het wapen systeem kan bedienen alsof hij/zij daar wel in zat.

Ik ben hier uitgegaan van de huidge (generatie) jamming pods, maar het ligt ook voor de hand dat men zou kijken naar de mogelijkheid om een nieuwe (generatie) jamming pods te ontwikkelen waarbij stealth wel deel uitmaakt van het ontwerp en daardoor het toestel iets minder zichtbaar te maken in deze configuratie.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Enforcer op 11/01/2022 | 19:15 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 11/01/2022 | 08:44 uur
Over de Duitsers en de Fransen FCAS

Gaat lekker daar, gaat er niet worden die Duits Franse samenwerking zo. Maar met Fransen lijkt ook wel niet samen te werken tenzij ze bovenliggende en dominant mogen zijn.

Kunnen de Duitsers dan niet aansluiten bij de Tempest? Dan krijg je toch dit?  --->
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 11/01/2022 | 10:40 uur
Frankrijk moet gewoon eens heel goed met z'n nekvel naar rechts worden gericht. Wellicht een paar keer bereden worden door een ander dominant europese alfa zou alles wel helpen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 11/01/2022 | 19:35 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 11/01/2022 | 18:44 uur
De grote vraag is of de F-35 geschikt is (of gemaakt kan worden) als vervanger van de EA-18 Growler. Natuurlijk beschikt de F-35 zelf over een EW pakket maar ik weet niet of dit vergelijkbaar is (of beter) dan die van de EA-18's.

Volgens de wikipedia van de EA-18 draagt de kist standaard het volgende pakket;
- 2x wingtip rails met AN/ALQ-218 detection pods i.p.v. AIM-9 Sidewinders
- 2x 480 gallon droptanks (binnenste hardpoints)
- 2x AN/ALQ-99 High Band Jamming Pods (middelste hardpoints)
- 2x AGM-88 HARM raketten (buitenste hardpoints)
- 2x AIM-120 AMRAAM op de romp
- 1x AN/ALQ-99  Low Band Jamming Pod (cetrale hardpoint)

Daarnaast is het kanon verwijderd en zit daar in de plaats de controle module voor de verschillende pod's.

Even ter verduidelijking van de tekst;
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bcb64fc1c3126f5a9655a8a89aeec80b)

Met een F-35A kom je al snel uit op het feit dat je de kist niet kan uitrusten zoals de EA-18 zonder hier gebruik te maken van de hardpoints onder de vleugels waardoor het toestel een (groot) deel van de stealth verliest. Als ik dat punt even opzij zet (want; EA-18 is ook niet stealth) dan zou het in theorie moeten kunnen.

Fictieve opstelling EA-35 ;
- 2x AN/ALQ-218 detection pods i.p.v. AIM-9's
- 2x 460/600 gallon droptanks (binnenste hardpoints)
- 2x AN/ALQ-99 High Band Jamming Pods (middelste hardpoints)
- 2x AGM-88G AARGM-ER (interne weaponsbay)
- 2x AIM-120 AMRAAM (interne weaponsbay)
- 1x AN/ALQ-99  Low Band Jamming Pod (cetrale hardpoint)

Ook bij de F-35 kan je (indien nodig het kanon verwijderen en hier aansturing en/of computers plaatsen die helpen bij de ECR taken en eventueel ook een deel AI zodat de piloot minder werk te doen heeft. Het grootste probleem zit hem waarschijnlijk in het ontbreken van een 2e persoon in het toestel, maar misschien is dit op te lossen door (deels) AI en/of (deels) een 2e persoon op de grond zoals ook gebeurd bij UAV's. Dat laatste weet ik niet zeker of dat operationeel haalbaar is maar dat zou nog een optie kunnen zijn. Waarbij de ''2e man'' dus niet in het toestel aanwezig is maar wel delen van het wapen systeem kan bedienen alsof hij/zij daar wel in zat.

Ik ben hier uitgegaan van de huidge (generatie) jamming pods, maar het ligt ook voor de hand dat men zou kijken naar de mogelijkheid om een nieuwe (generatie) jamming pods te ontwikkelen waarbij stealth wel deel uitmaakt van het ontwerp en daardoor het toestel iets minder zichtbaar te maken in deze configuratie.

Waarom.zou je willen jammen met een LO kist? Dan ben je meteen "stealth" af... De kracht zit hem juist in het niet gezien worden en vervolgens ga je allerlei signalen uitzenden waardoor je als een bouwlamp oplicht in het donker.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 11/01/2022 | 19:37 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 11/01/2022 | 19:35 uur
Waarom.zou je willen jammen met een LO kist? Dan ben je meteen "stealth" af... De kracht zit hem juist in het niet gezien worden en vervolgens ga je allerlei signalen uitzenden waardoor je als een bouwlamp oplicht in het donker.

Ik zeg nergens dat je dit moet willen, maar in theorie zou het met de F-35 ook mogelijk moeten zijn om dezelfde systemen te gebruiken als de EA-18 Growler. Het enigste voordeel wat je hebt hiermee is dat de Duitsers (in theorie) de Tornado kunnen vervangen door de F-35A / EA-35 in zowel de nucleaire rol als de ECR rol.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/01/2022 | 19:45 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 11/01/2022 | 18:44 uur
De grote vraag is of de F-35 geschikt is (of gemaakt kan worden) als vervanger van de EA-18 Growler. Natuurlijk beschikt de F-35 zelf over een EW pakket maar ik weet niet of dit vergelijkbaar is (of beter) dan die van de EA-18's.

Fictieve opstelling EA-35 ;
- 2x AN/ALQ-218 detection pods i.p.v. AIM-9's
- 2x 460/600 gallon droptanks (binnenste hardpoints)
- 2x AN/ALQ-99 High Band Jamming Pods (middelste hardpoints)
- 2x AGM-88G AARGM-ER (interne weaponsbay)
- 2x AIM-120 AMRAAM (interne weaponsbay)
- 1x AN/ALQ-99  Low Band Jamming Pod (cetrale hardpoint)

Ook bij de F-35 kan je (indien nodig het kanon verwijderen en hier aansturing en/of computers plaatsen die helpen bij de ECR taken en eventueel ook een deel AI zodat de piloot minder werk te doen heeft. Het grootste probleem zit hem waarschijnlijk in het ontbreken van een 2e persoon in het toestel, maar misschien is dit op te lossen door (deels) AI en/of (deels) een 2e persoon op de grond zoals ook gebeurd bij UAV's. Dat laatste weet ik niet zeker of dat operationeel haalbaar is maar dat zou nog een optie kunnen zijn. Waarbij de ''2e man'' dus niet in het toestel aanwezig is maar wel delen van het wapen systeem kan bedienen alsof hij/zij daar wel in zat.

Ik ben hier uitgegaan van de huidge (generatie) jamming pods, maar het ligt ook voor de hand dat men zou kijken naar de mogelijkheid om een nieuwe (generatie) jamming pods te ontwikkelen waarbij stealth wel deel uitmaakt van het ontwerp en daardoor het toestel iets minder zichtbaar te maken in deze configuratie.

Bij de F-35A hoeft het GAU-22/A 25 mm kanon niet te worden verwijderd voor EW, want alle F-35 varianten hebben het complete EW pakket al intern. De US Navy gebruikt graag de Growler, terwijl bij de USMC de EA-6B Prowler is vervangen door de F-35B/C. Beide hebben een verschillende blik op EW.

Naar mijn mening heeft aanschaf van de Growler alleen zin als ook de Super Hornet wordt aangeschaft.

Bij het Finse HX project speelde EW ook een rol. Saab kwam met externe EW pods voor de JAS 39 E Gripen.

Edit.

Advancing F-35 electronic warfare capabilities

https://www.baesystems.com/en/article/advancing-f-35-electronic-warfare-capabilities
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 11/01/2022 | 20:05 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 11/01/2022 | 19:37 uur
Ik zeg nergens dat je dit moet willen, maar in theorie zou het met de F-35 ook mogelijk moeten zijn om dezelfde systemen te gebruiken als de EA-18 Growler. Het enigste voordeel wat je hebt hiermee is dat de Duitsers (in theorie) de Tornado kunnen vervangen door de F-35A / EA-35 in zowel de nucleaire rol als de ECR rol.

Die kisten hebben een hele andere taak, dat zijn dedicated EOV bakken, de enige taak die bij de F35 over zou blijven is Electronic Attack want voor SEAD heb je in het geval van de F35 geen jamming nodig want de LO capaciteit maakt de F35 juist enorm geschikt voor de SEAD taak wat dus ook een van zijn enorm sterke punten is.

Zou je iedereen en zijn moeder willen jammen dan kun je beter iets als een Compass Call aanschaffen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 11/01/2022 | 20:09 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/01/2022 | 19:45 uur
Edit.

Advancing F-35 electronic warfare capabilities

https://www.baesystems.com/en/article/advancing-f-35-electronic-warfare-capabilities

Ja, maar dat is initieel voor self defence...

Citaat
Our AN/ASQ-239 system is a next-generation electronic warfare suite providing offensive and defensive options for the pilot and aircraft to counter current and emerging threats
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/01/2022 | 20:29 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 11/01/2022 | 20:09 uur
Ja, maar dat is initieel voor self defence...

Okee. Is de F-35 hiermee dan toch afhankelijk van de Growler of ligt dat toch anders?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: A.J. op 11/01/2022 | 20:43 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 11/01/2022 | 20:29 uur
Okee. Is de F-35 hiermee dan toch afhankelijk van de Growler of ligt dat toch anders?

Is daar helemaal niet afhankelijk van, als je niet gezien wordt bestaat er geen reden om actief te jammen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 12/01/2022 | 00:08 uur
Citaat van: A.J. op 11/01/2022 | 20:09 uur
Ja, maar dat is initieel voor self defence...

Zover we weten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 12/01/2022 | 11:41 uur
French defence victory could mean a defeat for European co-operation

UAE's Rafale deal tilts balance of power in combat air systems project towards Paris


https://www.ft.com/content/095d4c62-f215-499e-9ea0-cd26e0f5b42b?sharetype=blocked
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/01/2022 | 22:54 uur
Report to Congress on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

https://news.usni.org/2022/01/17/report-to-congress-on-the-f-35-joint-strike-fighter

Download the document here (https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21180828/f-35-joint-strike-fighter-jsf-program-jan-14-2022.pdf).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/01/2022 | 22:07 uur
Big day for Greece: six Rafale F3Rs arrive in-country

PUBLISHED: 19 JANUARY 2022   LAST UPDATED: 19 JANUARY 2022

(https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/2022/january/Greece_Rafale_delivery_1_Alex_Filippopoulos.jpg)
Photo by Alex Filippopoulos

As reported by Scramble Magazine on 4 January 2022 (https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/greece-to-rafales-in-two-weeks-f-35-to-follow), the first six Dassault Rafale DG/EG (all adhering to the Rafale F3R standard) have been delivered to 332 Mira at Tanágra air base on 19 January 2022.

After a two-hours direct flight from the Dassault test site at Istres-le-Tubé (France) the aircraft overflew the Acropolis in Athens at 12:22 hrs LT. They continued their flight to Tanágra air base where the first Rafale touched down 22 minutes later.

The Rafale unit, 332 MPK (Mira Pantos Kerou = All Weather Squadron) nicknamed Geraki (Hawk),  is currently operating the Dassault Mirage 2000EG/BG. The squadron will have its Mirage 2000s retired by mid-2022, after 34 years of service.

The Rafales that were delivered are all former Armée de l'Air et de l'Espace (AAE, French Air and Space Force) examples. Only for serial 401 and 402 we know their former French identity, which are 305 respectively 306. For the others we still lack their former French identities. So if you know these, they are most welcome. Please send your updates to social@scramble.nl

The following Rafales were delivered:

Rafale DG: 401 and 402
Rafale EG: 410, 411, 412 and 413

(https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/2022/january/Greece_Rafale_delivery_2_Alex_Filippopoulos.jpg)
Photo by Alex Filippopoulos

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/big-day-for-greece-six-rafale-f3rs-arrive-in-country
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/01/2022 | 13:04 uur
Flying the last legacy Eagles in Europe

PUBLISHED: 22 JANUARY 2022   LAST UPDATED: 22 JANUARY 2022

RAF Lakenheath's 493rd Fighter Squadron Grim Reapers F-15C Eagle 86-0172 was recently adorned with special colours and markings.

This, to represent more than 45 years of F-15A/B/C/D Eagle operations in Europe.

Of the McDonnell Douglas F-15's two tails, the RAF Lakenheath based legacy Eagle is now carrying on one side the text 'Eagle 1977-2022', together with the respective bases RAF Lakenheath (UK), Spangdahlem (Germany), Soesterberg (The Netherlands) and Bitburg (Germany). The latter two bases have been closed as USAF bases during the nineties.

The other tail is carrying the 493rd FS Grim Reapers logo.

Also, 172's speed brake has been decorated in the honour of the kills and victories that were amassed during the 1991 Gulf War and Operation Allied Force, above the Balkans, in 1999.

The decoration involves eleven kills and victories that have been carried out by F-15C Eagles that are now serving with the 493rd FS.

The following Eagles are depicted on the speed brake: 84-0010 (1x), 84-0014 (1x), 84-0015 (1x), 84-0019 (2x), 84-0027 (2x), 86-0156 (2x), 86-0159 (1x) and 86-0169 (1x).

It is expected that after more than 45 years of F-15A/B/C/D Eagle operations in Europe the latest legacy Eagles will have vacated the 48th Fighter Wing at RAF Lakenheath by the end of February 2022. On 4 and 5 February 2022, legacy F-15 farewell festivities will be held at RAF Lakenheath.

(https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/2022/january/USA_493rd_FS_F-15C_Peregrine_Bush_Photography.jpg)
Photo by Peregrine Bush Photography

(https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/2022/january/USA_45_years_F-15_classic_operations_Europe_1.jpg)
Photos by Peregrine Bush Photography and USAF

(https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/2022/january/USA_45_years_F-15_classic_operations_Europe_2.jpg)

(https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/2022/january/USA_45_years_F-15_classic_operations_Europe_3.jpg)

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https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/flying-the-last-legacy-eagles-in-europe
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/01/2022 | 10:58 uur
Franco-German Dispute Stalls New European Fighter-Jet Plans

Company News  Jan 26, 2022

Tara Patel, Bloomberg News

(Bloomberg) -- Development of a future European fighter jet first mooted by former German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron in 2017 is paralyzed by a dispute between leading industry suppliers.

The head of Dassault Aviation SA on Wednesday warned talks with the German arm of Airbus SE have been bogged down by a power struggle over "division of labor" that could threaten the project.

"We still have difficulties with Airbus," Dassault Chief Executive Officer Eric Trappier said at a press conference in Paris. "It's not always easy to negotiate with the Germans."

The French maker of the Rafale combat plane and Airbus are in negotiations on the next development phase of the jet, known as the New Generation Fighter, that wouldn't enter service until about 2040. Airbus must accept "the expertise will be in France rather than elsewhere," Trappier said.

"What's clear is that Dassault will be the leader," he said.

The possibility that Germany could order U.S. fighter jets to carry nuclear weapons as part of a longstanding NATO agreement is also weighing on the project, Trappier said.

The impasse comes nearly five years after the French and German leaders agreed on an air-combat alliance that included the new jet, leaving the U.K. in the cold in the wake of the country's decision to leave the European Union. London-based BAE Systems Plc, Europe's biggest defense firm, has gone on to develop a rival warplane, the Tempest, and recruited Italy's Leonardo SpA and Sweden's Saab AB to its camp.

Design Capabilities

BAE, Leonardo and Airbus collaborate on the current Eurofighter model, a rival to the Rafale. In forming a new alliance, Airbus had been seeking a more equal role in a successor aircraft, though Dassault has advanced design capabilities through its work on generations of warplanes including the Mirage, which it manufactured from the 1950s through the 1990s.

A run of success for Dassault's Rafale -- including a bumper order of 80 from the United Arab Emirates -- may have strengthened the French company's hand in the battle for supremacy over the project.

Should the collaboration founder, Dassault retains a plan B, Trappier said, without giving details. While he ruled out a collaboration with the U.K., saying talks with that country's suppliers on the future European fighter have ended, he said Airbus doesn't share his vision of how industry should be organized to develop the plane.

A spokesman for Airbus wasn't available for immediate comment.

Dassault's confidence has been buoyed by the UAE mega-order. The victory over rival European and U.S. suppliers capped a winning streak after agreements with Greece, Croatia and an add-on order with Egypt earlier in 2021.

The shares rose 4.3% as of 5:25 p.m. in Paris, and have gained 22% over the past 12 months.

Looking ahead, Trappier said he's optimistic 2022 could yield additional contracts, citing ongoing talks with India and Indonesia for Rafale planes.

Dassault struggled to sell the jets outside France for more than a decade after it first entered service in the French military in 2004.

©2022 Bloomberg L.P.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/franco-german-dispute-stalls-new-european-fighter-jet-plans-1.1713693
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 29/01/2022 | 12:13 uur
Van 'gelijke partners' in dit project is dus nauwelijks sprake. Tenzij de Duitsers hun mannetje staan, zullen ze naar de pijpen van de Fransen mogen/moeten dansen.
Na vijf jaar staan ze dus nog niet ver, om niet te zeggen nergens.

'k Ben benieuwd hoe 'het andere project' zal lopen... 'Tempest'.
De Britten staan er ook niet echt om bekend om te volharden in multi-nationale projecten.
En voor SAAB is dit blijkbaar de enige kans om hun aircraft-division in leven te houden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/01/2022 | 13:20 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 29/01/2022 | 12:13 uur
Van 'gelijke partners' in dit project is dus nauwelijks sprake. Tenzij de Duitsers hun mannetje staan, zullen ze naar de pijpen van de Fransen mogen/moeten dansen.
Na vijf jaar staan ze dus nog niet ver, om niet te zeggen nergens.

'k Ben benieuwd hoe 'het andere project' zal lopen... 'Tempest'.
De Britten staan er ook niet echt om bekend om te volharden in multi-nationale projecten.
En voor SAAB is dit blijkbaar de enige kans om hun aircraft-division in leven te houden.

Déjà vu...

Gaan we een vergelijkbare weg op in het FCAS traject zoals we dat in het verleden al zagen bij Typhoon en Rafale?

Sluiten de Duitsers zich aan bij Tempest?

Of sneuvelen beide initiatieven en daarmee de (west) Europese fighter industrie?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 29/01/2022 | 18:20 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/01/2022 | 13:20 uur
Déjà vu...

Gaan we een vergelijkbare weg op in het FCAS traject zoals we dat in het verleden al zagen bij Typhoon en Rafale?

Sluiten de Duitsers zich aan bij Tempest?

Of sneuvelen beide initiatieven en daarmee de (west) Europese fighter industrie?
De Duitsers mogen zich echt wel eens reppen om die (Defensie-)industriebasis in leven te houden.
Maar met de coalitie die er nu in het zadel zit, zie ik dat nog minder gebeuren dan met de vorige.
Probleem is dat eens zulke takken er niet meer zijn, die niet meer terugkomen. Een bedrijf als KMW heeft zich in het verleden al genoeg exportorders door de neus geboord gezien door een 'Njet' in de Bundestag.
Duitsland is qua inwoneraantal (83+ m) én GDP veruit het grootste land binnen de EU. 3de grootste exporteur in de wereld.

Ik heb de indruk dat het Franse Dassault zich al aan het voorbereiden is op een "alleengang"...
Geen idee of de Duitsers zouden warmlopen voor Tempest. Op zich zou dat niet echt een probleem mogen zijn, geien ze in het verrer verleden al samengewerkt hebben om de Eurofighter/Typhoon te bouwen met Britse en Italiaanse partners.
Dat was ook al het geval voor de Tornado.
Dus in die zin zou het me niet verbazen mocht ze zich daar alsnog willen aansluiten.

Vanuit politiek perspectief zou dat mss met fronsende wenkbrauwen kunnen bekeken worden - Frankrijk, de Europese As-partner afvallen - maar de Fransen mogen dan ook wel eens in eigen boezen kijken.

FCAS zou bij een Duitse uitstap al meteen een grote afnemer verliezen. En zelfs al rijpt FCAS onder/met/door Dassault tot een qualitatief goed eindproduct, als het zo lang zal duren als met de Rafale voor ze hun eerste export-successen boeken... dan gaan zowel Dassault als de Franse staat daarin al veel geld hebben mogen pompen...

Ik zou het uitermate prachtig vinden mochten er twee goede Europese kisten op de markt komen. Maar daarvoor zullen nog ettelijke jaren moeten voorbijgaan...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/02/2022 | 19:44 uur
Air-to-Air Missiles Program Office Name Italy as 28th International Partner

Published: Feb 2, 2022

NAVAL AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND, PATUXENT RIVER, Md. -- The Air-to-Air Missiles Program Office (PMA-259) acquired Italy as its 28th Air Intercept Missile (AIM)-9X International Partner Dec. 17, 2021.

The Italian Embassy in Washington D.C. notified the Navy International Programs Office that the Italian Air Force accepted and signed the Letter of Offer & Acceptance (LOA) provided by the United States Government.

Italian Air Force officials signed the LOA Nov. 19., and shortly after representatives from PMA-259 and Raytheon Missiles & Defense presented the AIM-9X Block II/II+ Classified Capabilities Briefing to Italian Headquarters Air Force Staff and F-35 Lightning II pilots.

This LOA consists of a modest quantity of AIM-9X Block II/II+ missiles to complement its F-35 fleet. This procurement will be part of the U. S. Navy's Lot 23 Production Contract, which will award in 2023 and deliver missiles in 2026.

Additionally, the Italian Navy, which also operates the fifth-generation fighter aircraft, has been provided with a separate LOA for Lot 23 AIM-9X Block II/II+ missiles, and is expected to accept it soon. Italy will receive AIM-9X missiles that will employ the true fifth-generation Block II/II+ capabilities of Lock-On-After-Launch, Data Link, and Surface Attack.

Story by Katie Ursitti, PMA-259 Communications

Public Affairs Officer Contact:
240-309-8076

https://www.navair.navy.mil/news/Air-Air-Missiles-Program-Office-Name-Italy-28th-International-Partner/Wed-02022022-0900
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/02/2022 | 19:47 uur
RDAF's Lightning II squadron will be Esk 727

PUBLISHED: 02 FEBRUARY 2022   LAST UPDATED: 02 FEBRUARY 2022

(https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/2022/february/Denmark_RDAF_F-35A_Esk_727.jpg)

On 2 February 2022, Major General and Chief of the Flyvevåbnet (RDAF, Royal Danish Air Force) Jan Dam, officially announced that Eskadrille (Esk) 727 will be the new Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II squadron.

Esk 727 has been chosen because it is the RDAF's oldest existing fighter squadron, and was twice responsible for introducing new types of aircraft.

The unit's symbol is the well-known Mjølnir (hammer of the thunder god Thor) and motto Volat Percutit Revertitur (he strikes and flies, he returns).

The unit will operate both the F-16 Fighting Falcon as the F-35A Lightning II for a transitional period. It was not stated how long this period will be, but the delivery schedule of all F-35As is scheduled for the period 2021 - 2026. The first F-35A is expected to arrive at Skrydstrup air base (Denmark) in October 2023.

(https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/2022/february/Denmark_RDAF_Esk_727.jpg)

The first four Lightning IIs are operated by 308th Fighter Squadron Emerald Knights at Luke AFB (AZ) for training future air crew.

As known, Denmark ordered 27 F-35As for use with one fighter squadron. With Esk 727 now being chosen, the other fighter squadron -Esk 730-, which has been in hibernation since the turn of the year 2019/2020, will be deactivated. According to Major General Dam, the new F-35As will operate from a new-build F-35 campus in the area where Esk 730 buildings were located.

Photo by Flyvevåbnet

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/rdaf-s-lightning-ii-squadron-will-be-esk-727
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 04/02/2022 | 08:02 uur
Romania plants to buy latest generation F-35 fighter jet

https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2022-news-aviation-aerospace/february/8141-romania-plants-to-buy-latest-generation-f-35-fighter-jet.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 04/02/2022 | 09:39 uur
Plants of plans .. denk het 1e,  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/02/2022 | 19:54 uur
Germany eyes Lockheed F-35 fighter jet; no final decision -source

February 4, 2022
12:00 AM GMT+1
Last Updated 20 hours ago

By Sabine Siebold, Andrea Shalal and Mike Stone

BERLIN/WASHINGTON, Feb 3 (Reuters) - Germany is leaning toward purchasing the U.S. fighter jet F-35 built by Lockheed Martin (LMT.N) to replace its ageing Tornado in the role of nuclear sharing, a German defence source told Reuters on Thursday, but a final decision has not been taken.

Another source, close to the German military, said a possible F-35 purchase was "back on the table", but no decisions were expected anytime soon.

"There have been recent efforts to inform Germany of how to move ahead with a potential F-35 purchase," a third source involved in the effort told Reuters.

A government spokesperson in Berlin was not immediately available for comment.

"As a matter of policy, we will not publicly confirm or comment on proposed defense transfers or sales until they have been formally notified to Congress. We refer you to the German government to speak to its future defense procurement plans," a spokesperson for the State Department in Washington said.

Germany needs to replace its ageing Tornado jets swiftly to remain part of NATO's nuclear sharing agreement, something the new government under Chancellor Olaf Scholz has pledged to do.

The Tornado is the only German jet capable of carrying U.S. nuclear bombs, stored in Germany, in case of a conflict. But the air force has been flying the jet since the 1980s, and Berlin is planning to phase it out between 2025 and 2030.

Germany's new coalition said it will purchase a replacement early in its four-year term in office. Without this move, Berlin would drop out of nuclear sharing when the last Tornado retires around 2030. read more

The German defence source said Scholz was expected to raise the issue during a trip to Washington next week.

Should Germany decide to buy the F-35, it would be a blow for Boeing (BA.N), whose F-18 was favoured by former German Defence Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer to replace the Tornado.

A decision to go with a U.S. fighter jet could upset France. Paris has been warily watching past German deliberations over whether to settle on the F-18 or the F-35, concerned it could undermine the development of a joint Franco-German fighter jet that is supposed to be ready in the 2040s.

It was not clear how many F-35 jets Germany may attempt to purchase.

Kramp-Karrenbauer had planned to buy 45 F-18s, but these were meant to replace both Tornado jets tasked with nuclear sharing as well as those for electronic warfare.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-eyes-lockheed-f-35-fighter-jet-no-final-decision-source-2022-02-03/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/02/2022 | 15:46 uur
Greece progresses F-35 procurement plans

Greece's plans to acquire the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) are set to take a step forward, with a team from the programme office scheduled to visit the country in February.

The US Ambassador to Greece, Geoffrey Pyatt, told national media in late January of the planned visit as the Hellenic Air Force (HAF) seeks to progress its plan to acquire the F-35A as part of a wider ramp-up of its combat aviation forces.

"Let me start with the most important point, which is, Greece will be part of the F-35 programme. I think that's clearly understood by the government, by the Hellenic Air Force, but also by the US government. You've heard expressions to that effect not just from me but from senior officials of the State Department," Ambassador Pyatt said.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/defence/latest/greece-progresses-f-35-procurement-plans
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/02/2022 | 08:50 uur
The Light Fighter Is the Air Force's Manned-Unmanned Team Solution @WarOnTheRocks

https://warontherocks.com/2022/02/the-light-fighter-is-the-air-forces-manned-unmanned-team-solution/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/02/2022 | 22:15 uur
Indonesia orders first six Rafales

PUBLISHED: 09 FEBRUARY 2022   LAST UPDATED: 09 FEBRUARY 2022

In February (https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/indonesia-may-acquire-f-15ex-rafales-c-130j-and-male-ucavs) and June 2021, Scramble Magazine has been reporting on the new fighter acquisition of the Tentara Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU, Indonesian Air Force).

Plans were made and altered and finally the choice to acquire up to 36 Rafales was made. On 7 June 2021 (https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/indonesia-moving-closer-to-rafale-deal), Indonesia signed a Letter of Intent (LoI) to acquire 36 Dassault Rafale fighters.

Now, the first actual step is taken with the signing of an order with Dassault Aviation for an initial batch of six Rafales. With the French Ministre des Armées (Defence secretary) Florence Parly visiting Indonesia this week, hopes are to obtain a firm order for the remaining thirty fighters too.

(https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/2021/june/Indonesia_TNI-AU_Rafale.jpg)
Photo via PTI

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/indonesia-orders-first-six-rafales
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/02/2022 | 23:01 uur
Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile Extended Range Completes Second Successful Missile Live Fire

LOS ANGELES – Feb. 7, 2022 – Northrop Grumman Corporation (NYSE: NOC) announced the successful completion of the second flight test of its AGM-88G Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile Extended Range (AARGM-ER). The U.S. Navy launched the missile from an F/A-18 Super Hornet aircraft on Jan. 21 at the Point Mugu Sea Range off the coast of southern California. The missile performed an extended range profile, engaging a land-based, emitter target staged at the range on San Nicholas Island.

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/cms.ipressroom.com/295/files/20221/620134c6b3aed31dd9998d08_Advanced+Anti-Radiation+Guided+Missile+Extended+Range+Completes+Second+Successful+Missile+Live+Fire/Advanced+Anti-Radiation+Guided+Missile+Extended+Range+Completes+Second+Successful+Missile+Live+Fire_6f2a4c1d-0d4c-442d-bf01-162f38e36330-prv.jpg)
An AARGM-ER is successfully launched from a U.S. Navy F/A-18 Super Hornet during a recent test at the Point Mugu Sea Range, Calif. (U.S. Navy)

"This second flight test verified AARGM-ER's ability to detect, identify, locate and engage a land-based air defense radar system from an extended range," said Captain A.C. Dutko, Navy Program Manager for Direct and Time Sensitive Strike (PMA-242). "Through the exceptional efforts of our government/industry team, we are another step closer to delivering capability to suppress the most advanced adversary air-defense systems without putting our warfighters in danger."

Since achieving a Milestone C Decision (authorization for Low-Rate Initial Production (LRIP)) in September 2021, AARGM-ER prime contractor Northrop Grumman has continued to lead its industry team in development of a critically needed warfighting capability. Northrop Grumman is currently under contract to deliver production units of AARGM-ER to support a 2023 initial operational capability (IOC) fielding.  In December 2021, Northrop Grumman received a $45.6M contract for the second lot of AARGM-ER LRIP

AARGM-ER leverages existing state-of-the-art AARGM sensors, electronics and digital models with the addition of a new high-performance air vehicle, solid rocket motor propulsion system and advanced warhead.

"AARGM-ER provides the U.S. Navy with the capability to stay ahead of evolving threats," said Mary Petryszyn, corporate vice president and president, Northrop Grumman Defense Systems. "This flight test further demonstrated the critical capability of AARGM-ER to precisely engage long-range threats, while enabling launching aircrew to remain at a safe distance."

AARGM-ER is being integrated on the Navy F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler aircraft as well as F-35A/B/C aircraft.

https://news.northropgrumman.com/news/releases/advanced-anti-radiation-guided-missile-extended-range-completes-second-successful-missile-live-fire
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 10/02/2022 | 08:09 uur
Indonesia orders 42 Rafale jets, French defence minister says

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/indonesia-orders-42-rafale-jets-french-defence-minister-says-2022-02-10/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 11/02/2022 | 19:45 uur
First HX Fighter Programme agreements signed

11.02.2022 13:40

On 10 December 2021, the Government decided on the procurement of Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II multi-role fighters, which will replace the capabilities of the Air Force's Hornet fleet that will be phased out by 2030. The Finnish Defence Forces' Logistics Command was authorised to conclude procurement contracts for the F-35 system and air-to-air weapons while the Ministry of Defence was authorised to sign an agreement on industrial participation for the HX fighter programme with Lockheed Martin and Pratt & Whitney, the engine manufacturer.

Signing of first LOA documents of HX project

The procurement of multi-role fighters will be carried out in line with the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) procedure as required by the United States administration for defence materiel export. Letter of Offer and Acceptance (LOA) documents will be drafted on the procurement packages, and when signed, these documents are the procurement agreement.

On Friday 11 February 2022, Major General (Eng.) Kari Renko, Chief of the Defence Forces Logistics Command, signed in Tampere the LOA documents on F-35A aircraft and their maintenance services. As to the implementation of the LOA agreements, the United States is represented by the F-35 project offices operating under the defence administration.

The procurement contracts include the deliveries of 64 multi-role fighters in 2025-30 that represent the F-35A Block 4 configuration, aircraft engines and maintenance equipment, systems, spare parts, replacement equipment, training equipment and servicing needed for use and maintenance. The agreements include F-35 type training for the Defence Forces' flying and technical personnel.

After the procurement of aircraft and maintenance services, LOA documents will be signed during 2022 on the procurement of air-to-air weapons, the Sidewinder and AMRAAM missiles. In accordance with the procurement proposal submitted to the Government in December 2021, the agreements on procuring air-to-ground and air-to-surface weapons will be made later. This will ensure that the weapon composition can be optimised, for example in terms of the number and types of weapons, so that Finland will have a high-performance F-35 system when entering the 2030s.

Agreement on industrial participation

Minister of Defence Antti Kaikkonen signed an agreement on industrial participation on Friday 11 February 2022 in Helsinki. The agreement was concluded with the fighter manufacturer Lockheed Martin and Pratt & Whitney, the engine manufacturer and member of the Raytheon technologies group.

The industrial participation obligation is based on a decision made by the Minister of Defence in April 2018 which stated that the value of industrial cooperation should be at least 30 per cent of the actual contract price. The industrial participation solution in the F-35 system met the requirements of the HX Fighter Programme set for industrial participation.

The objective of industrial participation is to develop and maintain the production, technology and expertise in the defence and security industry that is critical with respect to national defence, state security and functions vital to society, as well as to improve and safeguard the national security of supply.

The industrial participation solution will develop credible expertise in the domestic industry from the security of supply perspective and will play an important role in the national economy. The most important industrial participation projects include large-scale production of the F-35 front fuselage in Finland also for other users, production of structural components as well as equipment testing and maintenance capability. Finland was also offered a project of the final assembly of engines for the Air Force aircraft. The estimated direct domestic employment effect of industrial participation is 4,500 person-years while the indirect effect is 1,500 person-years.

Inquiries:

Senior Ministerial Adviser Tarja Jaakkola, tel. + 358 295 140410 and Major General (Eng.) Kari Renko, Finnish Defence Forces' Logistics Command, tel. +358 299 800 (switchboard).

https://www.defmin.fi/en/topical/press_releases_and_news/first_hx_fighter_programme_agreements_signed.12454.news#60a673fe
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/02/2022 | 11:10 uur
UK funds additional F-35 squadron but doubts persist over future fleet total

The UK has committed to spend more money on a second tranche of F-35B fighter jets but it has not divulged how many it plans to buy.
The UK MoD has put £1.4 billion ($1.9 billion) toward purchasing additional F-35B short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) fighter jets as part of its new ten-year Equipment Plan.

Funding for this second tranche of aircraft will be made available from 2027-2028, following delivery in 2025 of all 48 units already on order from Lockheed Martin.

Although the plan does not mention the exact number of aircraft to be newly acquired, rough estimates suggest that 12-16 platforms could be ordered or at least another squadron added.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/air-warfare/uk-funds-additional-f-35-squadron-but-doubts-still/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/03/2022 | 22:53 uur
F-16 fleet undergoing largest modification work in history

Published Feb. 28, 2022
By Brian Brackens
Air Force Life Cycle Management Center Public Affairs


WRIGHT-PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Ohio – In one of the largest modernization efforts in U.S. Air Force history, 608 F-16s – comprised of Blocks 40 and 50 – will undergo up to 22 modifications designed to improve lethality and ensure the fourth-generation fighter remains effective in meeting current and future threats.

The Air Force Life Cycle Management Center's Fighters and Advanced Aircraft Directorate is leading the complex project, known as Post Block Integration Team or PoBIT, and developed the plan to organize and install the modifications on the aircraft.

"This is a pretty massive effort, a collision of mods as we call it," said Oryan "OJ" Joseph, program manager with the directorate's F-16 Program Office. "We had to quickly look at all of the mods that are going on the aircraft and not only understand the timing of when the mods are going to deliver, but also when the aircraft will be available from the units. There are a lot of variables, a give and take tug of war that we deal with every day on bringing down aircraft [for modifications] at the right time."

Updates to the aircraft include installing Active Electronically Scanned Array radar and Link 16 – a battlefield communication system, modernizing the cockpit and main mission computer, and converting the fleet to a high speed data network.

In addition, the fighter will receive next-generation electronic warfare capability as well as a Communication Suite Upgrade, a Center Display Unit, a Programmable Data Generator, and several other key hardware components to modernize the aircraft. 

A number of the modifications have already started and will continue over several years. Overall, PoBIT involves six major commands, more than 18 bases, multiple companies, and contracts totaling approximately $6.3 billion.

"This effort is a big deal for the Air Force," said Joseph. "In order for us to keep the F-16 in the fight performing all its different roles for our Combatant Commanders, we must significantly modernize the fleet."

"Making sure we have the right modifications at the right time is crucial to the warfighter," added 1st Lt. Andrew Elledge, program manager, F-16 Program Office. "It requires effort and daily coordination to ensure there is progress and communication with all programs related to this effort across all the bases involved.  While this effort is a challenge, being able to keep the F-16 in the fight with the latest and greatest technology is the driving factor.  I am thankful to have such experienced teammates to help tackle these complex daily tasks.  It really takes all of us to keep this moving in the right direction!"

https://www.aflcmc.af.mil/news/article-display/article/2948183/f-16-fleet-undergoing-largest-modification-work-in-history/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/03/2022 | 10:30 uur
Full rate production for F-35 is at least another year away

"It's not like, you know, Candy Crush Saga or Wordle, or even the video game your kids play," Lt. Gen. Eric Fick said of the Joint Simulation Environment needed to carry out F-35 testing. "It doesn't just have to look right, it has to be right at the digital level."

The Pentagon has yet to approve a new schedule laying out when F-35 Joint Strike Fighter goes into full rate production, but it won't be until after summer 2023 at the very earliest, the Pentagon's program executive said today.

At the heart of the issue is the Joint Simulation Environment — a virtual testbed that allows the F-35 to go up against the most high-end Russian and Chinese threats. Only after the Lockheed Martin-made F-35 conducts 64 test runs in the JSE will it be allowed to proceed from operational tests to a "Milestone C" decision, where the Pentagon's top acquisition authority declares the jet ready for full rate production.

After multiple delays due to technical problems and the COVID-19 pandemic, the Pentagon is finally conducting component validation of the JSE, which should wrap up this May, F-35 program executive officer Lt. Gen. Eric Fick told reporters at a roundtable. System verification tests are slated to occur through this fall, allowing the F-35 to finally conduct its 64 JSE tests in the summer of 2023.

Fick said that the current JSE test schedule eliminates the possibility of a Milestone C declaration in fiscal 2022, which ends this September. And while he wouldn't rule out a potential full rate production decision by the end of FY23, he acknowledged that "there's not a lot of leeway" in the current schedule, and that if the F-35's simulation tests "were to slip by any appreciable margin" it could lead to further delay.

The Pentagon had initially planned to approve the F-35 for full-rate production at the end of 2019, and has had to continually push out its plans. Currently, there is no date set for Milestone C.

..../....

https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/full-rate-production-for-f-35-is-at-least-another-year-away/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/03/2022 | 10:32 uur
F-35 to get more expensive in next deal, program exec says

"I think it's likely that we'll see costs rise on a tail by tail basis. I think it's early to say where I think that they'll end up," said Lt. Gen. Eric Fick, who manages the F-35 program on behalf of the Pentagon.

Prices for the next batch of Lockheed Martin's F-35 Joint Strike Fighters will probably be higher than the last, the Pentagon's F-35 program head said today.

However, it's premature to say that the cost of the F-35A conventional takeoff and landing variant, which is used by the US Air Force and most international customers, will once against come in above the Pentagon's cost goal of $80 million a copy, Lt. Gen. Eric Fick told reporters at a roundtable.

"I think it's likely that we'll see costs rise on a tail by tail basis. I think it's early to say where I think that they'll end up," Fick said.

For about a year, Lockheed and the Defense Department have been embroiled in negotiations over F-35 Lots 15 through 17, which will roughly include about 400 aircraft for US and international customers.

The contract for lots 12-14, inked in 2019, included 478 F-35s for the US military and international customers. Under the terms of the agreement, an F-35A will cost $77.9 million in Lot 14, with the F-35B short takeoff and landing variant coming in at $101.3 million and the F-35C carrier variant at $94.4 million during the same period.

Those prices are unlikely to stick.

.../...

https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/f-35-to-get-more-expensive-in-next-deal-program-exec-says/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 14/03/2022 | 08:40 uur
Bundesregierung will F-35-Tarnkappenjets beschaffen
https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Bundesregierung-will-F-35-Tarnkappenjets-beschaffen-article23193372.html


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Opvolger van Tornado's : Federale overheid wil F-35 stealth-jets aanschaffen

Er is een opvolger voor de verouderde Tornado-vloot van de Bundeswehr: de federale overheid wil de Duitse luchtmacht uitrusten met het Amerikaanse F-35 stealth-jet van Lockheed Martin. Het is blijkbaar de bedoeling om tot 35 van de jets te kopen.

De federale regering wil de luchtmacht uitrusten met F-35 stealth-jets als onderdeel van een moderniseringsprogramma van meerdere miljarden dollars. De machines van de fabrikant Lockheed Martin zullen worden aangeschaft als opvolger van de Tornado-vloot die meer dan 40 jaar geleden werd geïntroduceerd, zoals het Duitse persbureau uit overheidskringen vernam. De F-35 wordt beschouwd als het modernste gevechtsvliegtuig ter wereld en wordt ook gekocht voor het delen van kernwapens door Duitsland, een afschrikkingsconcept van de NAVO waarbij bondgenoten toegang hebben tot Amerikaanse atoombommen. Door een speciale vorm en buitencoating is de machine moeilijk te detecteren door vijandelijke radars. Volgens een bericht van het nieuwsportaal "The Pioneer" was 15 miljard euro beoogd voor de aankoop van een Tornado-opvolger.

Volgens dpa-informatie is het de bedoeling om tot 35 van de stealth-jets te kopen. De Tornado, die tot nu toe is gebruikt en alleen met toenemende inspanning operationeel kan worden gehouden, is in de Bundeswehr ook gebruikt voor elektronische luchtgevechten - het verstoren, onderdrukken en aanvallen van vijandelijke luchtverdedigingsposities. Volgens informatie van het Duitse persbureau moeten voor deze taak nog meer Eurofighters worden aangeschaft - volgens de status van het project 15 stuks. De fabrikant Airbus moet deze de komende jaren echter nog technisch uitrusten, wat als zeer veeleisend wordt beschouwd.

Eerdere DoD-plannen omvatten de aankoop van het Amerikaanse F-18-vliegtuig, dat nog moest worden gecertificeerd voor gebruik met kernwapens. Na een gesprek tussen minister van Defensie Christine Lambrecht en kanselier Olaf Scholz in januari werd een breder inspectiebevel uitgevaardigd. De F-35 werd ook overwogen. Het is al gecertificeerd voor kernwapens en heeft beperkte elektronische gevechtsapparatuur.

"Synergie-effecten" in Europa?
Eerdere zorgen van de federale regering dat de aankoop van de F-35 een tegenwicht zou kunnen vormen voor de gezamenlijke plannen met Frankrijk om een ​​Europees "gevechtsvliegtuig van de toekomst" (FCAS/ Future Combat Air System) te bouwen, zijn nu op de achtergrond geraakt en van oogpunt, lijken grotendeels het geval ongeldig te zijn. In het geval van de F-35 werd recentelijk erop gewezen dat NAVO-partners in Europa de machine ook gebruiken en dat er in operatie "synergie-effecten" mogelijk zijn.

In het regeerakkoord waren de verkeerslichtcoalitiepartners het eens geworden over de aanschaf van een Tornado-opvolger. "We zullen aan het begin van de 20e zittingsperiode een opvolgersysteem voor het Tornado-jachtvliegtuig aanschaffen. We zullen het inkoop- en certificeringsproces objectief en gewetensvol begeleiden met het oog op de nucleaire deelname van Duitsland", aldus de SPD, Groenen en FDP. Officieel nooit bevestigd, maar een soort publiek geheim: in Büchel in de Eifel zouden 20 thermonucleaire B61-zwaartekrachtbommen van de Amerikaanse strijdkrachten zijn opgeslagen, die tot nu toe onder Duitse tornado's kunnen worden vergrendeld.

In reactie op de oorlog in Oekraïne en de dreigementen van de Kremlin-chef Vladimir Poetin tegen het Westen, kondigde kanselier Scholz een eenmalig "speciaal fonds" van 100 miljard euro en een aanzienlijke verhoging van de jaarlijkse defensie-uitgaven aan. In de toekomst moet jaarlijks meer dan twee procent van het bruto binnenlands product in defensie worden geïnvesteerd.

Eind februari eiste de voorzitter van het Defensiecomité, Marie-Agnes Strack-Zimmermann: "De eerste stap vandaag is de Tornado-opvolger. Nu hebben we de F-35 nodig, het modernste gevechtsvliegtuig ter wereld en van veel van onze partners gebruikten", zei de FDP-politicus. De oorlog in Oekraïne laat duidelijk zien dat "aanvallen vanuit de lucht worden uitgevoerd en dienovereenkomstig moeten worden beantwoord of voorkomen".

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sebas_m07 op 14/03/2022 | 20:42 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 14/03/2022 | 08:40 uur
Bundesregierung will F-35-Tarnkappenjets beschaffen
https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Bundesregierung-will-F-35-Tarnkappenjets-beschaffen-article23193372.html

Wel verbaasd over de 35 stuks, mis ik iets?

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Opvolger van Tornado's : Federale overheid wil F-35 stealth-jets aanschaffen

Er is een opvolger voor de verouderde Tornado-vloot van de Bundeswehr: de federale overheid wil de Duitse luchtmacht uitrusten met het Amerikaanse F-35 stealth-jet van Lockheed Martin. Het is blijkbaar de bedoeling om tot 35 van de jets te kopen.

De federale regering wil de luchtmacht uitrusten met F-35 stealth-jets als onderdeel van een moderniseringsprogramma van meerdere miljarden dollars. De machines van de fabrikant Lockheed Martin zullen worden aangeschaft als opvolger van de Tornado-vloot die meer dan 40 jaar geleden werd geïntroduceerd, zoals het Duitse persbureau uit overheidskringen vernam. De F-35 wordt beschouwd als het modernste gevechtsvliegtuig ter wereld en wordt ook gekocht voor het delen van kernwapens door Duitsland, een afschrikkingsconcept van de NAVO waarbij bondgenoten toegang hebben tot Amerikaanse atoombommen. Door een speciale vorm en buitencoating is de machine moeilijk te detecteren door vijandelijke radars. Volgens een bericht van het nieuwsportaal "The Pioneer" was 15 miljard euro beoogd voor de aankoop van een Tornado-opvolger.

Volgens dpa-informatie is het de bedoeling om tot 35 van de stealth-jets te kopen. De Tornado, die tot nu toe is gebruikt en alleen met toenemende inspanning operationeel kan worden gehouden, is in de Bundeswehr ook gebruikt voor elektronische luchtgevechten - het verstoren, onderdrukken en aanvallen van vijandelijke luchtverdedigingsposities. Volgens informatie van het Duitse persbureau moeten voor deze taak nog meer Eurofighters worden aangeschaft - volgens de status van het project 15 stuks. De fabrikant Airbus moet deze de komende jaren echter nog technisch uitrusten, wat als zeer veeleisend wordt beschouwd.

Eerdere DoD-plannen omvatten de aankoop van het Amerikaanse F-18-vliegtuig, dat nog moest worden gecertificeerd voor gebruik met kernwapens. Na een gesprek tussen minister van Defensie Christine Lambrecht en kanselier Olaf Scholz in januari werd een breder inspectiebevel uitgevaardigd. De F-35 werd ook overwogen. Het is al gecertificeerd voor kernwapens en heeft beperkte elektronische gevechtsapparatuur.

"Synergie-effecten" in Europa?
Eerdere zorgen van de federale regering dat de aankoop van de F-35 een tegenwicht zou kunnen vormen voor de gezamenlijke plannen met Frankrijk om een ​​Europees "gevechtsvliegtuig van de toekomst" (FCAS/ Future Combat Air System) te bouwen, zijn nu op de achtergrond geraakt en van oogpunt, lijken grotendeels het geval ongeldig te zijn. In het geval van de F-35 werd recentelijk erop gewezen dat NAVO-partners in Europa de machine ook gebruiken en dat er in operatie "synergie-effecten" mogelijk zijn.

In het regeerakkoord waren de verkeerslichtcoalitiepartners het eens geworden over de aanschaf van een Tornado-opvolger. "We zullen aan het begin van de 20e zittingsperiode een opvolgersysteem voor het Tornado-jachtvliegtuig aanschaffen. We zullen het inkoop- en certificeringsproces objectief en gewetensvol begeleiden met het oog op de nucleaire deelname van Duitsland", aldus de SPD, Groenen en FDP. Officieel nooit bevestigd, maar een soort publiek geheim: in Büchel in de Eifel zouden 20 thermonucleaire B61-zwaartekrachtbommen van de Amerikaanse strijdkrachten zijn opgeslagen, die tot nu toe onder Duitse tornado's kunnen worden vergrendeld.

In reactie op de oorlog in Oekraïne en de dreigementen van de Kremlin-chef Vladimir Poetin tegen het Westen, kondigde kanselier Scholz een eenmalig "speciaal fonds" van 100 miljard euro en een aanzienlijke verhoging van de jaarlijkse defensie-uitgaven aan. In de toekomst moet jaarlijks meer dan twee procent van het bruto binnenlands product in defensie worden geïnvesteerd.

Eind februari eiste de voorzitter van het Defensiecomité, Marie-Agnes Strack-Zimmermann: "De eerste stap vandaag is de Tornado-opvolger. Nu hebben we de F-35 nodig, het modernste gevechtsvliegtuig ter wereld en van veel van onze partners gebruikten", zei de FDP-politicus. De oorlog in Oekraïne laat duidelijk zien dat "aanvallen vanuit de lucht worden uitgevoerd en dienovereenkomstig moeten worden beantwoord of voorkomen".
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/03/2022 | 20:55 uur
Citaat van: Darkforce07 op 14/03/2022 | 20:42 uur
Wel verbaasd over de 35 stuks, mis ik iets?

Wel 5 meer dan 30 Super Hornets. Het moet in feite voldoende zijn om TaktLwG 33 (vliegbasis Büchel) te voorzien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 14/03/2022 | 21:12 uur
Citaat van: Darkforce07 op 14/03/2022 | 20:42 uur

Wel verbaasd over de 35 stuks, mis ik iets?


Nee je mist niets, de 35 F-35's zijn het minimale aantal dat de Duitsers van plan zijn om aan te kopen.  Op dit moment hebben de Duitsers 68x Interdict/Strike Tornado's & 21 Electronic Combat/Recon Tornado's in dienst.

Dit zou men vervangen door 30x F/A-18 Super Hornets + 15x E/A-18 Growlers, waarbij de Super Hornets ook de kernwapen taak opzich zouden nemen. Blijkbaar is er nu dus gekozen om het aantal nucleaire kisten te verhogen mogelijk door het conflict in Oekraine. 

Het getal van 35 past binnen wat de Duitsers rekenen in een geschwader (wing), ik verwacht geen verdere order maar ik sluit het ook niet helemaal uit. Dit zal ook afhangen wat er gebeurd met de FCAS.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/03/2022 | 22:07 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 14/03/2022 | 21:12 uur
Nee je mist niets, de 35 F-35's zijn het minimale aantal dat de Duitsers van plan zijn om aan te kopen.  Op dit moment hebben de Duitsers 68x Interdict/Strike Tornado's & 21 Electronic Combat/Recon Tornado's in dienst.

Dit zou men vervangen door 30x F/A-18 Super Hornets + 15x E/A-18 Growlers, waarbij de Super Hornets ook de kernwapen taak opzich zouden nemen. Blijkbaar is er nu dus gekozen om het aantal nucleaire kisten te verhogen mogelijk door het conflict in Oekraine. 

Het getal van 35 past binnen wat de Duitsers rekenen in een geschwader (wing), ik verwacht geen verdere order maar ik sluit het ook niet helemaal uit. Dit zal ook afhangen wat er gebeurd met de FCAS.

Naast 35 F-35A worden 15 extra nieuwe Typhoons gekocht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 14/03/2022 | 22:36 uur
De Duitsers hebben we heel snel de knoop door gehakt en de bestelling geplaatst, of niet? Ik had nu niet het idee dat ze al heel dachten of spraken over de F-35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/03/2022 | 22:51 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 14/03/2022 | 22:36 uur
De Duitsers hebben we heel snel de knoop door gehakt en de bestelling geplaatst, of niet? Ik had nu niet het idee dat ze al heel dachten of spraken over de F-35.

De F-35 is al veel langer een Duits gesprek. De Super Hornet familie was slechts een compromis voorstel om Franrijk in het kader van de gezamenlijke ontwikkeling van FCAS niet te ver in het harnas te jagen.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/03/2022 | 22:56 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 14/03/2022 | 22:36 uur
De Duitsers hebben we heel snel de knoop door gehakt en de bestelling geplaatst, of niet? Ik had nu niet het idee dat ze al heel dachten of spraken over de F-35.

Met een F-35A aanschaf wordt Duitsland een FMS (Foreign Military Sales) klant. Dit houdt ook in dat er een DSCA bericht komt en dat het Amerikaans Congres op de hoogte wordt gebracht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Reinier op 15/03/2022 | 09:42 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 14/03/2022 | 22:51 uur
De F-35 is al veel langer een Duits gesprek. De Super Hornet familie was slechts een compromis voorstel om Franrijk in het kader van de gezamenlijke ontwikkeling van FCAS niet te ver in het harnas te jagen.
Ah, vandaar. Ik had enkel de Europese ambities en wensen van de Duitsers op mijn netvlies.
Verstandig om mee te gaan met de F-35, dan hebben de Duitsers ruim 20 jaar eerder een generatie 5 toestel en tegen lager kosten dan als ze met de Fransen in zee zouden gaan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 15/03/2022 | 10:16 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 15/03/2022 | 09:42 uur
Ah, vandaar. Ik had enkel de Europese ambities en wensen van de Duitsers op mijn netvlies.
Verstandig om mee te gaan met de F-35, dan hebben de Duitsers ruim 20 jaar eerder een generatie 5 toestel en tegen lager kosten dan als ze met de Fransen in zee zouden gaan.

FCAS programma gaat gewoon door, eerste te verwachten operationele kist rond 2040.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 15/03/2022 | 10:34 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 15/03/2022 | 09:42 uur
Ah, vandaar. Ik had enkel de Europese ambities en wensen van de Duitsers op mijn netvlies.
Verstandig om mee te gaan met de F-35, dan hebben de Duitsers ruim 20 jaar eerder een generatie 5 toestel en tegen lager kosten dan als ze met de Fransen in zee zouden gaan.
Geldt dat niet voor meer landen, incluis onszelf?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/03/2022 | 11:44 uur
Citaat van: Reinier op 15/03/2022 | 09:42 uur
Ah, vandaar. Ik had enkel de Europese ambities en wensen van de Duitsers op mijn netvlies.
Verstandig om mee te gaan met de F-35, dan hebben de Duitsers ruim 20 jaar eerder een generatie 5 toestel en tegen lager kosten dan als ze met de Fransen in zee zouden gaan.

Er bleef ook weinig keuze over voor de vervanging van de Tornado IDS. Extra kosten om de Super Hornet B61-12 compatible te maken en een relatief kleine Super Hornet user base (US Navy, Australië en Koeweit). Komt ook nog bij dat de toekomst van de Super Hornet steeds meer afhankelijker wordt van de export.

De FCAS is ook hoofdzakelijk de vervanger van de Rafale en de Typhoon.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 15/03/2022 | 12:01 uur
Gaat de vervanging van de Tornado, van (oorspronkelijk) 85 stuks Tornado naar 35 stuks F-35 ?

Het is maar de vraag of er nog extra Typhoons worden aangeschaft, denk ik
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 15/03/2022 | 12:04 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 15/03/2022 | 12:01 uur
Gaat de vervanging van de Tornado, van (oorspronkelijk) 85 stuks Tornado naar 35 stuks F-35 ?

Het is maar de vraag of er nog extra Typhoons worden aangeschaft, denk ik

Ongetwijfeld komen er later nog extra typhoons bij , zowel standaard als die nieuwe ECR variant.

En zoals ik al aangaf verwacht ik ook wel extra f-35's op het moment dat fcas vertraging krijgt en/of duurder wordt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/03/2022 | 12:06 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 15/03/2022 | 12:01 uur
Gaat de vervanging van de Tornado, van (oorspronkelijk) 85 stuks Tornado naar 35 stuks F-35 ?

Het is maar de vraag of er nog extra Typhoons worden aangeschaft, denk ik

Er waren al eerder 38 extra Typhoons besteld.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 15/03/2022 | 12:22 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 15/03/2022 | 12:06 uur
Er waren al eerder 38 extra Typhoons besteld.
ter vervanging van de Tornado ?     antwoord : nee, ter vervanging van Tranche 1 typen
of "gewoon" extra              antwoord : nee, aankoop is Tranche 4 toestellen

Airbus had wel ECR type Typhoon aangeboden (85 stuks), wordt deze nu nog aangekocht ?      Misschien beter deze aankoop van Tranche 4 om te zetten naar Tranche 5 ? of een 4++

https://www.eurofighter.com/news-and-events/2019/11/new-eurofighter-electronic-combat-role-ecr-concept-presented-at-the-ifc
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/the-eurofighter-ecr-and-the-luftwaffe-electronic-attack-concept

Antwoord :
CitaatOn 5 November 2020, an order for 38 new Tranche 4s was confirmed. Total value of this order is 5,4 billion euros. The new Typhoons will not be added to the current fleet, but they will replace the oldest Tranche 1 aircraft.

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/airbus-offers-the-tranche-5-eurofighter-to-the-luftwaffe
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/03/2022 | 12:55 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 15/03/2022 | 12:22 uur
ter vervanging van de Tornado ?     antwoord : nee, ter vervanging van Tranche 1 typen
of "gewoon" extra              antwoord : nee, aankoop is Tranche 4 toestellen

Airbus had wel ECR type Typhoon aangeboden (85 stuks), wordt deze nu nog aangekocht ?      Misschien beter deze aankoop van Tranche 4 om te zetten naar Tranche 5 ? of een 4++

https://www.eurofighter.com/news-and-events/2019/11/new-eurofighter-electronic-combat-role-ecr-concept-presented-at-the-ifc
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/the-eurofighter-ecr-and-the-luftwaffe-electronic-attack-concept

Antwoord :
https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/airbus-offers-the-tranche-5-eurofighter-to-the-luftwaffe

Klopt wat je schrijft. 38 Typhoons ter vervanging van de Tranche 1 Typhoons. Daarin vergiste ik mij. Er was een ook nog een ander plan.

CitaatThe intention, as to be confirmed via parliamentary approval, would be to replace the 85 Tornado jets with the Eurofighter and the American-made F/A-18 Super Hornet. The German government would purchase 45 airframes, split between 15 Growler Electronic Attack and SEAD-versions, and 30 E/F-models, the latter of which would be used for the nuclear mission. In addition, the Luftwaffe would acquire another 93 Eurofighters: 38 of which would replace older EF Tranche 1 models already in service with the Luftwaffe; 40 aircraft to replace the Tornado for strike missions; and as contract option, a further 15 aircraft for Electronic Attack.

https://www.fpri.org/article/2020/05/squaring-the-circle-the-replacement-of-the-german-luftwaffes-tornado/

Afwachten of deze 40 Typhoons ook worden besteld.

Als TLG33 (Büchel) 35 stuks F-35A krijgt, dan blijft TLG51 (Schleswig) met Tornado IDS/ECR over. Dan is het de vraag of TLG51 de combinatie Typhoon/Typhoon ECR of F-35A/Typhoon ECR krijgt.

Edit. Afbeelding van Janes uit 2020

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNy0c-yXEAYVhUE?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

https://twitter.com/GarethJennings3/status/1503275413644222465
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/03/2022 | 16:41 uur
Bloomberg: VS willen minder F-35 gevechtsvliegtuigen kopen

De Verenigde Staten zullen minder geld reserveren voor de aanschaf van de F-35 gevechtsvliegtuigen. Bronnen meldden aan persbureau Bloomberg dat de bestelling bij Lockheed Martin voor de vliegtuigen die bekend staan als Joint Strike Fighter flink wordt teruggebracht.

De ingewijden baseren zich op de blauwdruk van de defensiebegroting van de VS van het fiscale jaar 2023. Daaruit komt naar voren dat de VS de aanschaf van 61 toestellen zullen financieren. Dat waren er volgens eerdere plannen 94. In de begroting van dit jaar gaat het om 85 toestellen.

Dat de VS minder vliegtuigen willen bestellen lijkt de meest controversiële besparing in het budget voor de nationale veiligheid. Daarvoor wordt naar verwachting 770 miljard dollar gereserveerd. Het fiscale jaar begint op 1 oktober.

Nederland
De F-35, die ook door de Nederlandse luchtmacht zijn besteld ter vervanging van de huidige F-16's, wordt momenteel al ingezet in Oost-Europa. Zes Amerikaanse F-35's houden bijvoorbeeld de grenzen van de NAVO-lidstaten in de gaten vanuit Estland en Roemenië.

De reden dat de Amerikanen hun bestelling terugschroeven zal pas officieel worden toegelicht wanneer de voorgestelde begroting van het Pentagon openbaar wordt gemaakt. Maar de beoogde wijziging komt op het moment dat de onderhandelingen met Lockheed over een volgend F-35 contract, dat gaat over ongeveer 400 vliegtuigen, moeizamer verlopen dan verwacht.

Tegenover de mindere bestelling van de F-35 staat naar verluidt een verhoging van de bestelling van de F-15EX-jets van Boeing. Daarvan lijken de Amerikanen er nu 24 te bestellen, waar dat er eerder veertien zouden zijn. Het EX-model draagt meer munitie dan de F-35 en is naar schatting goedkoper om mee te vliegen.

https://www.msn.com/nl-nl/geldzaken/nieuws/bloomberg-vs-willen-minder-f-35-gevechtsvliegtuigen-kopen/ar-AAV8AOo?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 17/03/2022 | 08:04 uur
Egypt will receive F-15 fighter jets from United States    :omg:

According to a tweet published by Mahmoud Gamal on March 16, 2022, the U.S. has approved to provide Egypt with F-15 fighter jets, USCENTCOM Chief announced.

https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2022-news-aviation-aerospace/march/8282-egypt-will-receive-f-15-fighter-jets-from-united-states.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/03/2022 | 12:09 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 17/03/2022 | 08:04 uur
Egypt will receive F-15 fighter jets from United States    :omg:

According to a tweet published by Mahmoud Gamal on March 16, 2022, the U.S. has approved to provide Egypt with F-15 fighter jets, USCENTCOM Chief announced.

https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2022-news-aviation-aerospace/march/8282-egypt-will-receive-f-15-fighter-jets-from-united-states.html

Suspected collapse of Su-35 deal sees US agree Egyptian F-15 order

Egypt looks set to acquire F-15 Advanced Eagle fighter jets as the Su-35 may be out of the picture.

The US has revealed it will sell Boeing F-15 Advanced Eagle fighter jets to Egypt, in a move thought to follow Cairo cancelling a Su-35 order from Russia.

'In the case of Egypt, I think we have good news in that we are going to provide them with F-15s, which was a long, hard slog,' said Gen Kenneth F. McKenzie, head of US Central Command, during a 15 March Senate hearing.

'That's the basic criticism of our ability to provide weapons to our friends and partners, it takes too long to get them,' he added.

The US State Department declined to comment on the potential sale when asked by Shephard.

Egypt had previously committed to an order, reportedly valued at $2 billion, for 26 Su-35 fighter jets which entered production in May 2020, according to the Russian state-run news agency TASS.

Before Russia's invasion of Ukraine, reports had emerged of Su-35 export customers including Egypt axing orders for the aircraft, on account of economic sanctions imposed on Moscow, largely targeting oil companies and military technologies.

Following additional defence-related sanctions from the US, Russia faces the prospect of being unable to manufacture any new weapons systems and uncertainty hangs over how it will deliver on a wide variety of export contracts while it wages war in Ukraine and deals with a catastrophic economic crisis that has seen the value of the rouble collapse.

Joseph Siegle, director of research at the US-based African Center for Strategic Studies, pointed out that the F-15 sale would tally with Egypt's 'long-standing ties with the US as a primary military ally'. It also conforms with Egypt's military diversification strategy that it has adopted over the last decade.

However, he added, in some respects the latest development is surprising given recent history with Egyptian-US procurement. Statistics from SIPRI highlight that US defence exports to Egypt plummeted by 70% between 2012 and 2021 as Washington distanced itself from the regime of Abdel el-Sisi, who seized power in a 2013 coup.

US geopolitical priorities may have shifted but Siegle said: 'Egypt, because of its close ties to both Washington and Moscow, and its strategic position, will continue to engage with those two [countries] within limits as to keep its options open.'

Although the latest SIPRI data shows that Russia accounted for 41% of Egyptian arms imports from 2017 to 2021, Siegle pointed out that Cairo voted to condemn the invasion of Ukraine in the UN General Assembly on 2 March. In this respect, Egypt stands out from many other Middle Eastern countries.

Egypt already operates F-16C/D jets and ordered an additional 30 Rafale aircraft from Dassault in November 2021 that will see it eventually operate 54 of the type to replace a Mirage 2000 fleet.

In line with procedure, the F-15 Advanced Eagle order will first have to be approved by the US State Department with any such announcement likely to detail aircraft numbers, weapons and subsystems under consideration and contract costs.

'While the F-15ID would incorporate many of the latest advancements and produceability [sic] improvements of the F-15EX, the exact configuration is still to be determined,' a Boeing spokesperson said in a statement. 'Because this is part of the Foreign Military Sale process, any further information would need to be provided by the US Air Force.'

The F-15EX has been designed with 12 air-to-air weapon stations and a single store capacity for hypersonic-category weapons up to 22ft (6.7m) in length and weighing 7,000lbs (3,175Kg) and also features Raytheon's APG-82(V)1 AESA radar and an Advanced Display Core Processor II.

Boeing is currently under contract with the USAF to produce 144 of the aircraft to replace legacy F-15C/D platforms.

The Egyptian F-15 order follows on from the US approving a $13.9 billion F-15ID (designation used for Advanced Eagle exports) package for Indonesia on 10 February – for a maximum of 36 aircraft.

Similar to Egypt, Jakarta pushed forward with the order after pulling away from a Su-35 deal, although Indonesia also recently decided to buy up to 42 Rafales.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/air-warfare/collapsed-su-35-deal-sees-us-agree-f-15-order-with/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/03/2022 | 22:59 uur
Air2030: Swiss F-35A from Italian production

Bern, 24.03.2022 – Switzerland is having at least 24 of a total of 36 F-35A fighter aircraft manufactured in Cameri, Italy. For a further four aircraft, clarifications are underway as to whether their final assembly can take place in Switzerland instead as part of an offset project. The first eight aircraft will be manufactured in the USA because they will be used there on site for the initial training of the Swiss pilots. The agreed price and delivery schedule will remain unchanged and the aircraft will be delivered from 2027.

Over the past few weeks, armasuisse has clarified, together with the US government and the Italian armaments company Leonardo, the possibility of having the majority of the future F-35A fleet of the Swiss Air Force produced in Cameri, Italy (see press release of 15 February 2022). armasuisse has now come to an agreement with the US government and determined that up to 28 of the altogether 36 aircraft will be manufactured in Italy by the company Leonardo. This means that at least 24 aircraft will be manufactured in Italy. For a further four aircraft, Lockheed Martin is currently clarifying, as manufacturer of the F-35A, whether they can be finally assembled in Switzerland as part of an offset project at RUAG; if this is not possible, they will also be manufactured in Cameri. Lockheed Martin will manufacture the first eight aircraft in its production plant in Fort Worth, Texas (USA), so that they can be used subsequently for the initial training of the Swiss pilots in the USA. The contractual agreements with the US government and thus both the price and the delivery schedule will remain unchanged.

The F-35 production line in Cameri

In Cameri, Italy maintains one of two production lines of the F-35 outside of the USA and the only one in Europe. Italy participated in the F-35 programme from the beginning. The Italian Air Force and the Italian Navy operate F-35A and F-35B aircraft. In addition, Leonardo also manufactures F-35A for the Dutch Air Force in Cameri .

Additional informations
Press release 15.02.22: Air2030: National Armaments Director discusses possible production of Swiss F-35A in Italy (https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/dokumentation/medienmitteilungen.msg-id-87175.html)
Air2030 dossier – Protecting the airspace (https://www.vbs.admin.ch/de/sicherheit/armee/air2030.html)

https://www.ar.admin.ch/content/ar-internet/en/home.detail.nsb.html/87715.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/03/2022 | 23:07 uur
Greece signs for additional Rafales

25 MARCH 2022

by Gareth Jennings

Greece has signed for additional Dassault Rafale combat aircraft from France, with both countries' defence ministers sealing the earlier announced order on 24 March.

Nikolaos Panagiotopoulos, Greek Minister of National Defence, and Florence Parly, French Minister of the Armed Forces, signed a contract for six new Rafales for Greece, adding to the 18 ordered to bring the Hellenic Air Force's (HAF's) fleet up to 24 aircraft.

The contract finalises the announcement for the new fighters made in September 2021 by Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis.

The first 18 Rafales for the HAF comprise 12 surplus French Air and Space Force twin- and single-seat aircraft and six newbuild aircraft. It has not been disclosed whether the latest aircraft will be surplus or newbuild. It is known that Greece's Rafales will be delivered at the F3R standard that has been developed by Dassault Aviation, Thales, MBDA, and Safran. It comprises major software and hardware upgrades that include the integration of the Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile and the latest laser-guided version of the Sagem Armement Air-Sol Modulaire modular air-to-ground precision weapon, the Thales RBE2 active electronically scanned array radar, the Thales TALIOS long-range airborne targeting pod, an automatic ground collision avoidance system, an improved buddy-buddy refuelling pod, and the Spectra electronic warfare system. The latest version of the Rafale will continue to carry the enhanced medium-range, air-to-ground missile as part of airborne nuclear deterrence missions.

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/Greece-signs-for-additional-Rafales
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 28/03/2022 | 19:33 uur
Liberals expected to launch negotiations to buy F-35 fighter jets: CP sources

Canada is planning to buy 88 new fighter jets to replace its CF-18s. The Liberal government is expected to announce today that it will enter into final negotiations on purchasing the F-35 fighter jet. Government and industry sources have told The Canadian Press the negotiations with manufacturer Lockheed Martin will be announced at a news conference this afternoon.

The sources spoke on the condition they not be named because they were not authorized to comment publicly. While this doesn't mean a deal to purchase the stealth fighter is officially done, it does mean Canada is on the verge of finally choosing a replacement for its aging CF-18s. Should negotiations fall through, the government retains the option to enter into talks with Saab, whose Gripen fighter came second to the F-35 in the competition. Canada is planning to buy 88 new fighter jets to replace its CF-18s. The government budgeted up to $19 billion for the purchase.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f-35-negotiations-1.6399978
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/03/2022 | 19:40 uur
Hahahaha..... en de winner is ... F35
Wat een toneelspel ...  ;) 8)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/03/2022 | 20:54 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 28/03/2022 | 19:40 uur
Wat een toneelspel ...  ;) 8)

Dat helaas al te lang duurt. Trudeau, eat your heart out.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/03/2022 | 22:16 uur
Canada moves closer to delivering 88 advanced fighter jets for the Royal Canadian Air Force as it begins negotiations with the top-ranked bidder, the United States government and Lockheed Martin, for the F-35

From: Public Services and Procurement Canada (https://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/comm/index-eng.html)

News release
March 28, 2022 - Gatineau, Quebec - Public Services and Procurement Canada and National Defence

The Government of Canada has reached another milestone in the competitive process to purchase 88 advanced fighter jets for the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF), which will ensure the requirements of the RCAF are met while also providing value for Canadians, generating high-value jobs in Canada as well as further growth for the Canadian aerospace and defence sector for decades to come.

Following a rigorous evaluation of proposals, the Government of Canada today announced it will now enter into the finalization phase of the procurement process with the top-ranked bidder, the United States (US) government and Lockheed Martin, for the F-35 fighter jet. This procurement represents the most significant investment in the RCAF in more than 30 years. It is essential for protecting the safety and security of Canadians, it will enhance our Arctic sovereignty, it will ensure we are equipped to better defend North America and it will help make sure we continue to meet our NATO and NORAD obligations well into the future.

This represents a major milestone in this open, fair and competitive process. The multi-step assessment process took into account a wide range of factors, including capabilities, cost, as well as economic benefits and impacts. Recognizing that these fighter jets must effectively serve the RCAF and Canadians over the coming decades, Canada evaluated these aircraft against typical scenarios familiar to NATO and NORAD allies, which were further tailored to meet the needs of the RCAF, including Canada's unique northern geography. We are confident that this competitive process will deliver the best results for the Canadian Armed Forces and for Canadians.

During this process, the government has concurrently been preparing the 2 main operating bases for Canada's future fighter aircraft, 4 Wing Cold Lake and 3 Wing Bagotville, by awarding 2 contracts to undertake infrastructure upgrades to support the delivery of these future fighters. On August 27, 2020, National Defence announced a $9.2-million contract to EllisDon in Edmonton for the design of a new fighter jet facility at 4 Wing Cold Lake. On October 2, 2020, National Defence announced a $12.1-million contract to EllisDon-EBC Inc. Joint Venture of Ottawa for the design of a new fighter jet facility at 3 Wing Bagotville. This infrastructure will support the long-term maintenance and operation of these new aircraft and brings Canada another step closer to delivering the infrastructure our aviators need for the future.

Going forward, the Government of Canada will continue to work toward the delivery of aircraft as early as 2025.

Quotes
"This announcement marks another important milestone in Canada's competitive process to purchase modern fighter jets for the Royal Canadian Air Force. Canadians take great pride in their Armed Forces, and it is important to make sure that they have what they need to keep Canada safe and secure."

The Honourable Filomena Tassi
Minister of Public Services and Procurement

"It is critical that current and future Royal Canadian Air Force pilots have the most advanced equipment available to ensure they can deliver on the important work that we ask of them. This procurement project for the RCAF – the largest in over three decades – will help ensure Canada can continue to defend North America, enhance our Arctic sovereignty and meet our NATO and NORAD obligations in the face of current and emerging threats. Canadians can be confident that this competitive process will deliver the best results for our Canadian Armed Forces for decades to come."

The Honourable Anita Anand
Minister of National Defence

"Canada's aerospace sector is a world leader and is the top research and development spender among all manufacturing industries. This is one of the largest aerospace procurements in decades, and the resulting economic benefits will help sustain and grow this key industry's global leadership position."

The Honourable François-Philippe Champagne
Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry

Quick facts
Associated links
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-services-procurement/news/2022/03/canada-moves-closer-to-delivering-88-advanced-fighter-jets-for-the-royal-canadian-air-force-as-it-begins-negotiations-with-the-top-ranked-bidder-th.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 28/03/2022 | 22:29 uur
Aardig hoog aantal.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/03/2022 | 22:59 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 28/03/2022 | 22:29 uur
Aardig hoog aantal.

Het ironische is dat de voorgaande premier Harper 65 stuks F-35A wilde en de Liberals absoluut niet.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 29/03/2022 | 00:09 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 28/03/2022 | 22:29 uur
Aardig hoog aantal.
Als je hun Australische F-18 A/Bs niet meerekent dan worden alle originele F18s vervangen, zo lijkt het. Goede zaak!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 29/03/2022 | 01:15 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 28/03/2022 | 20:54 uur
Dat helaas al te lang duurt. Trudeau, eat your heart out.

Dit uitstel kost ze waarschijnlijk wel veel extra geld of zal hun status van level 2 partner nog steeds voordelen bieden?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/03/2022 | 09:14 uur
Citaat van: Lynxian op 29/03/2022 | 00:09 uur
Als je hun Australische F-18 A/Bs niet meerekent dan worden alle originele F18s vervangen, zo lijkt het. Goede zaak!

Net aan. Er werden 98 x CF-18A en 40 x CF-18B geleverd. Hiervan zijn nog circa 60 x CF-18A en 25 x CF-18B actief. en Bijna als een Canadese traditie werd al snel een hoop als surplus gerekend en kreeg maar een deel een MLU. In ieder geval blijft 88 stuks een mooi aantal.

Citaat van: Umbert op 29/03/2022 | 01:15 uur
Dit uitstel kost ze waarschijnlijk wel veel extra geld of zal hun status van level 2 partner nog steeds voordelen bieden?

Canada is een level 3 partner. De level 2 partners zijn Italië en Nederland.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/03/2022 | 10:26 uur
US military plans to scrap dozens of F-22 fighter jets

https://freepresskashmir.news/2022/03/29/us-military-plans-to-scrap-dozens-of-f-22-fighter-jets/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 29/03/2022 | 10:56 uur
Geen succesverhaal dat ding. Heeft nooit een echte tegenstander gehad. zal wel opvolger komen, maar dure en relatief weinig lessons learned lijkt me voor de gemaakte kosteb van het gehele F-22 programma.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 29/03/2022 | 13:47 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 29/03/2022 | 10:56 uur
Geen succesverhaal dat ding. Heeft nooit een echte tegenstander gehad. zal wel opvolger komen, maar dure en relatief weinig lessons learned lijkt me voor de gemaakte kosteb van het gehele F-22 programma.

NGAD (6e generatie) staat in de startblokken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/03/2022 | 19:27 uur
USAF Seeks 'Transformational' Change in 2023 Budget as It Looks to Keep Pace With China

.../...

The 33 F-22s being retired are of the Block 20 model, and are used as training airplanes. It would be too costly to modernize them to a combat-capable configuration, said USAF budget director Maj. Gen. James D. Peccia III. Even so, the F-22 fleet would get $344 million for sensor upgrades and other improvements.

.../...

https://www.airforcemag.com/usaf-seeks-transformational-change-in-2023-budget-as-it-looks-to-keep-pace-with-china/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 07/04/2022 | 19:08 uur
Dassault negotiates the sale to Serbia of a dozen Rafale fighters
The French manufacturer submitted an offer to Belgrade last March to replace its old MiG-21 and MiG-29, among others.

https://www.infodefensa.com/texto-diario/mostrar/3534166/dassault-negocia-venta-serbia-docena-cazas-rafale

Het zou gaan om eerst 6 nu waarschijnlijk 12 Rafales. Toch opvallend dat Frankrijk altijd opduikt in landen die misschien gevoellig zouden kunnen zijn voor onder tafel onderhandelingen  :angel:

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 09/04/2022 | 22:21 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 07/04/2022 | 19:08 uur
Dassault negotiates the sale to Serbia of a dozen Rafale fighters

Die onder-de-tafel-onderhandelingen zijn me eigenlijk worst.
Mij gaat het veeleer om de technologie die zo verspreid wordt naar landen die, wmb., daartoe geen toegang zouden mogen hebben.

Aan zo'n land zou geen enkel Westers/NATO-land iets mogen verkopen. Laat ze maar Sukhois en MiGs kopen. Of aankloppen bij de Chinezen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 09/04/2022 | 22:32 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 09/04/2022 | 22:21 uur
Die onder-de-tafel-onderhandelingen zijn me eigenlijk worst.
Mij gaat het veeleer om de technologie die zo verspreid wordt naar landen die, wmb., daartoe geen toegang zouden mogen hebben.

Aan zo'n land zou geen enkel Westers/NATO-land iets mogen verkopen. Laat ze maar Sukhois en MiGs kopen. Of aankloppen bij de Chinezen.

Ja dat is fijn. Nog meer rus en chinese invloed in hartje Europa.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 09/04/2022 | 23:14 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 09/04/2022 | 22:32 uur
Ja dat is fijn. Nog meer rus en chinese invloed in hartje Europa.
En die is er nu niet?

De Russische inval in Oekraine heeft zeer veel in hartje Europa tweeggebracht. Meer en meer zien we hoe in redelijk wat landen de Russen zeer veel invloed hadden en hebben in nationale politiek.

Als top-landen: Frankrijk... Italie... en zelfs in Belgie weten sommige politici niet waar kruipen nu. Omdat ze zichzelf te kakken gezet hebben met hun "begrip voor wat de Russen doen" en nu gewezen worden op wat hun Russische vrienden (ik zeg niet 'sponsors') allemaal uitvreten in Oekraine.

Een land als Servie, dat tijdens de Balkanoorlog steun genoot van Rusland en nu nog sterk verbonden is met dat land moeten 'wij' niet willen voorzien van militair hoogtechnologisch materieel.

Om dan nog maar te zwijgen over wat China al allemaal opgekocht heeft in Europa... Dat gaan we nooit nog counteren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Mourning op 10/04/2022 | 01:35 uur
... ik moet ook niet veel van Servie hebben, maar maken we tegelijkertijd als dit doorgaat Servie niet ook meer afhankelijk van het Westen? We kunnen tenslotte de logistieke trein om die toestellen in de lucht te houden nl. op een gegeven moment ook gewoon stop kunnen zetten als ze bijv. een Kosovo 2.0 proberen of iets van die strekking.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: ARM-WAP op 10/04/2022 | 02:04 uur
Citaat van: Mourning op 10/04/2022 | 01:35 uur
... ik moet ook niet veel van Servie hebben, maar maken we tegelijkertijd als dit doorgaat Servie niet ook meer afhankelijk van het Westen? We kunnen tenslotte de logistieke trein om die toestellen in de lucht te houden nl. op een gegeven moment ook gewoon stop kunnen zetten als ze bijv. een Kosovo 2.0 proberen of iets van die strekking.
Dat dan weer wel.

Maar ondertussen hebben we de Serven vertrouwd gemaakt met Westerse (hoog-)technologie en is deze ook toegankelijk geweest voor hun Russische vrienden... Moeten we dat willen?

Let wel... Ik ben er me wel degelijk bewust van dat diezelfde Fransen decennia geleden al technologie aan de Chinezen verkocht hebben... je ziet de gekloonde waar daar gewoon rondvliegen en op hun schepen staan... En diezelfde jets zijn ook al verpatst aan India en Egypte...
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 10/04/2022 | 09:29 uur
Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 09/04/2022 | 23:14 uur
En die is er nu niet?

De Russische inval in Oekraine heeft zeer veel in hartje Europa tweeggebracht. Meer en meer zien we hoe in redelijk wat landen de Russen zeer veel invloed hadden en hebben in nationale politiek.

Als top-landen: Frankrijk... Italie... en zelfs in Belgie weten sommige politici niet waar kruipen nu. Omdat ze zichzelf te kakken gezet hebben met hun "begrip voor wat de Russen doen" en nu gewezen worden op wat hun Russische vrienden (ik zeg niet 'sponsors') allemaal uitvreten in Oekraine.

Een land als Servie, dat tijdens de Balkanoorlog steun genoot van Rusland en nu nog sterk verbonden is met dat land moeten 'wij' niet willen voorzien van militair hoogtechnologisch materieel.

Om dan nog maar te zwijgen over wat China al allemaal opgekocht heeft in Europa... Dat gaan we nooit nog counteren.

Jaag ze  nog verder weg. Wat vindt je ervan als in hartje Europa straks chinese en rus eenheden zitten onder het mom 'alliantie'. Moet je allemaal niet willen en exact daarom zijn landen als montenegro, albanie en weet ik wat voor kansparels afgelopen jaren lid geworden van de NAVO. Niet omdat wij ze zo hard nodig hadden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 28/04/2022 | 08:45 uur
NGAD Price Per Tail Will More Than Double That of F-35 - Air Force Magazine

https://www.airforcemag.com/ngad-price-per-tail-will-more-than-double-that-of-f-35/#.Ymo3zUl6zD4.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/04/2022 | 22:27 uur
Air Force Leaders Explain 5-Year Divestment Plan and Smaller F-15EX Fleet (van 144 naar 80 stuks F-15EX als het plan doorgaat)

https://www.airforcemag.com/air-force-leaders-five-year-divestment-plan-why-f-15ex-fleet-will-be-smaller/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 30/04/2022 | 12:11 uur
Piecing Together the NGAD Puzzle - Air Force Magazine

https://www.airforcemag.com/article/piecing-together-the-ngad-puzzle/#.Ym0LIQq6v0U.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 24/05/2022 | 22:40 uur
Greece to acquire F35 jets immediately, Defence Minister Panagiotopoulos reveals

https://en.protothema.gr/greece-to-acquire-f35-jets-immediately-defence-minister-panagiotopoulos-reveals/#.Yo1CZ3VtMOg.twitter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 02/06/2022 | 09:24 uur
The Air Force's secret next-gen fighter has reached development phase

Moving to the development stage more than likely means that the Air Force has coalesced around a single fighter design made by a single prime contractor, said Richard Aboulafia, an aerospace analyst with AeroDynamic Advisory.

The Air Force's sixth generation fighter has officially entered development, the Air Force's top official confirmed today.

"We have now started an [engineering, manufacturing and development] program to do the development aircraft that we'll take into production," Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall said during an event at the Heritage Foundation. "We think we'll have the capability by the end of the decade."

Due to the classified nature of the design effort, Kendall provided few details about the manned sixth-generation fighter that is set to be the centerpiece of the Air Force's so-called Next Generation Air Dominance family of systems, which will also feature new weapons, sensors and a variety of drones that will tag team with the new fighter.

The Air Force first flew a prototype version of the NGAD fighter 2020, but officials at the time declined to disclose information about the plane or its manufacturer.

"What we did was an experimental prototype," Kendall said. "We basically had an X plane program which was designed to reduce the risk of some of the key technologies that we would need for a production program."

Moving to the EMD stage more than likely means that the Air Force has coalesced around a single fighter design made by a single prime contractor, said Richard Aboulafia, an aerospace analyst with AeroDynamic Advisory.

While Lockheed Martin, Boeing and Northrop Grumman are all possible contenders to build the NGAD fighter,...........

https://breakingdefense.com/2022/06/the-air-forces-secret-next-gen-fighter-has-reached-development-phase/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/06/2022 | 22:57 uur
RDAF extends service life of F-16s

PUBLISHED: 21 JUNE 2022   LAST UPDATED: 21 JUNE 2022

On 20 June 2022, Denmark's Defence minister, Morten Bodskov, said that the country will keep its fleet of F-16 Fighting Falcons operational three years longer than originally planned.

The main reason is the heightened security threat from Russia. The F-16s will now stay until 2027 and this extension will cost USD 156 million. The additional funds are expected to cover expenses for fuel, purchase of spare parts as well as retention and recruitment of personnel.

According to Morten Bodskov "the defence of NATO territory to the east is more central than at any other time in recent times. Therefore, we are extending the operational capacity of the F-16 while the new F-35 aircraft are being phased in."

Denmark ordered 27 F-35A Lightning II fighter aircraft that will replace the F-16. The first aircraft is expected to arrive at Skrydstrup air base (Denmark) in October 2023 and will be operated by Esk 727. The unit will operate both the F-16 as the F-35A for a transitional period. Delivery of the F-35s is expected to be finished in 2026.

It has not been stated how many F-16s will still be operational during the three year period. At this moment, the Flyvevåbnet (RDAF, Royal Danish Air Force) operates 33 F-16AM and ten F-16BM at Skrydstrup.

(https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/2022/june/Denmark_RDAF_F-16_E-011_EKSP_Skrydstrup_28Oct21_Patrick_Dirksen_file_info.jpg)
Photo by Patrick Dirksen (Scramble Archive)

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/rdaf-extends-service-life-of-f-16s
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/06/2022 | 23:04 uur
Luftwaffe F-35A Lightning II at Büchel air base

PUBLISHED: 18 JUNE 2022   LAST UPDATED: 20 JUNE 2022

As expected, the Luftwaffe (GAF, German Air Force) Lockheed-Martin F-35A Lightning II fighter aircraft will be based at Büchel air base in the Eifel region.

The air base has been closed early June 2022 for an extensive upgrade and reconstruction programme that is expected to be finished in February 2026.

The decision to base the Lightning IIs at the Eifel air base is not surprising as Büchel is the homebase of the Panavia Tornado IDS of the Taktisches Luftwaffengeschwader 33 (TLG33) and, above all, according to several reports (never been officially confirmed), it is also the base where the US nucleair devices required to fulfil NATO's nuclear sharing agreement, are stored. By 2030, the nuclear strike mission will transition from the Tornado IDS to the F-35A, with the latter able to carry the B61-12 bomb in the internal weapons bay.

The decision to acquire the F-35A Lightning II (https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/luftwaffe-to-aquire-f-35-after-all) was officially announced on 14 March 2022 via a tweet by the German Ministry of Defence, Christine Lambrecht: "The decision on the Tornado successor has been made: With the F-35 aircraft type, the task of nuclear sharing will be guaranteed in the future. The goal is to replace the Tornado by 2030."

On 16 June 2022, the German Ambassador to Washington (DC), Emily Haber, publicly announced on her twitter account that the German pilots will learn to fly the F-35A at Ebbing ANG base/Fort Smith (AR). The GAF will be the second air force to bed in at Ebbing's Foreign Military Sales Pilot Training Center. Singapore will move its F-16s from Luke AFB (AZ) to Ebbing next year and will train their F-35B pilots at this training center in Arkansas.

On 4 June 2021, Scramble Magazine reported on the selection of Ebbing ANG Base as the preferred training location (https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/singapore-lightnings-at-ebbing-ang-base) for the Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF).

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/luftwaffe-f-35a-lightning-ii-at-buechel-air-base
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/06/2022 | 08:52 uur
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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/06/2022 | 11:10 uur
Berlin expected to green light Eurofighter ECR

Germany is expected to shortly authorise development of the Eurofighter Electronic Combat Role (ECR) aircraft, following the type's selection for the Luftwaffe in March.

The ILA Berlin Air Show running from 22 to 26 June is likely to provide the German government with the occasion to formally launch the Eurofighter ECR project, which was first touted back in 2019, having decided to acquire the aircraft alongside the Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter to partially satisfy its future combat aviation requirements.

Janes first reported that Eurofighter stakeholder Airbus was eyeing a dedicated electronic attack (EA) version of the aircraft at the IQPC International Fighter conference in Berlin in November 2019. At that time, the Eurofighter ECR was billed as being the escort jammer component of a system-of-systems designed to provide a comprehensive EA capability, with the other elements of the system being a stand-off jammer aircraft and stand-in jammer effectors.

As noted at the time, the Eurofighter ECR was to be developed as either a twin- or single-seat platform (although the likelihood is that operators would opt for the twin-seat owing to the high workload of the mission) fitted with an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar. It would carry up to three escort jammer pods on the underwing and underfuselage stations depending on the mission requirement. In April 2020 Hensoldt revealed a new Kalaetron Attack airborne jammer that it planned to develop for the platform.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/ila-2022-berlin-expected-to-green-light-eurofighter-ecr

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/06/2022 | 11:18 uur
Komt er dan eindelijk een opvolger voor de Tornado ECR.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 25/06/2022 | 22:37 uur
Report to Congress on Air Force Next-Generation Air Dominance Program

https://news.usni.org/2022/06/24/report-to-congress-on-air-force-next-generation-air-dominance-program

Download the document here (https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22067204/air-force-next-generation-air-dominance-program-june-23-2022.pdf).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/06/2022 | 10:44 uur
Spain orders 20 more Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets

According to a PR published by Airbus on June 23, 2022, the NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency (NETMA) has signed a landmark contract for the acquisition of 20 latest-generation Eurofighter jets.

Known as the Halcon program, the order will cover the delivery of a fleet of E-Scan (Electronically Scanned) radar-equipped fighter aircraft consisting of 16 single-seaters and 4 twin-seaters to replace the F-18 fleet operated by the Spanish Air Force on the Canary Islands.

This contract will see the Spanish Eurofighter fleet grow to 90 aircraft. With the first delivery due in 2026, these new aircraft will enhance and position the Spanish Air Force fighter fleet among its NATO allies with the most modern fighter jet developed in Europe, as well as securing industrial activity through to 2030.

The acquisition, valued at € 2.043 billion, was approved by Spain's Council of Ministers on 14 December 2021 and includes the aircraft, engines, a simulator, and the necessary support services.

In service with Spain since 2003, the country's air force operates the Eurofighter from the air bases of Morón (11th Wing) and Albacete (14th Wing), securing Spain's territory and playing a key role at the heart of NATO in different Air Policing missions in the Baltics and more recently the Black Sea.

With the arrival of these new aircraft, Spain will also equip the third base with Eurofighter jets, namely Gando on the Canary Islands, which is home to the 46th Wing.

https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2022-news-aviation-aerospace/june/8437-spain-orders-20-more-eurofighter-typhoon-fighter-jets.html
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Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 27/06/2022 | 12:39 uur
Haha vliegbasis moron.
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Bericht door: Lynxian op 29/06/2022 | 00:26 uur
Wel een serieus goede aanwezigheid op de Canarische Eilanden!
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Bericht door: Harald op 13/07/2022 | 09:11 uur
CitaatThe #Eurofighter Long-Term Evolution Study (LTE) Programme represents a whole new chapter for #Eurofighter, says Fabio Michael Boscolo, Vice President Eurofighter LTE Campaign & Strategy.

He says it's a whole new chapter for Eurofighter. It's not about adding new software capabilities, it's a redesign of the aircraft for the next 40 years.
https://www.facebook.com/eurofighter.typhoon.official.page/photos/a.10150239652765552/10159911530495552/?type=3

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EVOLUTION OF EUROFIGHTER TAKING SHAPE

Just what is the Long-Term Evolution Study (LTE) Programme and what does it mean for Eurofighter Typhoon? Fabio Michael Boscolo, Vice President Eurofighter LTE Campaign & Strategy, CSFE answers key questions here.

How important is the Long-Term Evolution (LTE) Study in the history of Eurofighter?
The Long-Term Evolution (LTE) Study represents a revolution for Eurofighter Typhoon. It's not about adding new software capabilities, it's a redesign of the aircraft for the next 40 years. It's a whole new chapter for Eurofighter.

What is the current situation?
The LTE Study period started in 2019 and is due to be completed by the end of this year. This phase has given the nations time to decide and agree on the direction they want to go. What's clear is that the changing geopolitical situation has meant everyone is looking at their challenges and requirements with real urgency. The study will lead to an agreement with the customer about what to focus on during the Technology Maturation Phase which will be carried out over the next three years.

What will happen in the Technology Maturation Phase?
The aim of the maturation work is to de-risk and mature the required technologies before the final decision is taken on the exact configuration of an LTE Eurofighter. All the key technologies, including cockpit, the avionics solution, as well as a series of basic technology enablers will be matured in the most enriching environment, potentially up to flight testing.

What are the key changes we will see?
Shaping an answer to that is what this work is all about. We are designing an aircraft today which will have to be mission proof for 40 years and that is a big task. You need to make sure that what you are designing is good for the job that Eurofighter needs to do. And when you are looking so far into the future even identifying the true needs for the weapon system within a system of systems is a challenge in itself. Plus we are not going to draw on a blank sheet.

How will the LTE Eurofighter fit with FCAS or Tempest?
LTE will be a bridge to the respective future combat air systems – and be available between five and ten years earlier than they are. The teams working on LTE and the future combat air systems will be thinking about taking advantage of precisely the same technologies — around the same kinds of themes: processing, artificial intelligence, cyber resilience, communication, and rapid capability, or technology insertion. For Eurofighter it's about having much more powerful and agile architectures.

What role will Eurofighter have in the system of systems?
We are working to a number of key operational scenarios which have been set by the nations. These give us a set of parameters about what they expect and what they need Eurofighter to be. We know that Eurofighter will not be a Day One weapon — it's not stealthy — but it will be in a contested environment and it will be capable of performing several roles.

What are the key attributes the Eurofighter LTE will need?
Everything will be data driven and data hungry. So, the short answer is processing power. Eurofighter LTE will host top class sensors, starting from the new electronic scan radars, and will want to maximize their content by elaborating and fusing data provided by all the sources. As an example, a pilot will need to receive radar images from his own or other aircraft in real time, to receive targeting information in real time and will need to be connected in a network.

All this information will need to be processed, fused, and presented in the optimum manner to the pilot. It will require high speed data networks to ensure the bandwidth availability for the data transmission from pods and antennas, shear processing power and a state-of-the-art cockpit. Operational flexibility, further increasing Eurofighter's swing role capabilities' will be part of LTE, too.

What are the main challenges?
Some of the technologies we are looking at are currently very immature in terms of their readiness level but we need to look at them because we want to be able to future proof the LTE aircraft as much as possible. As ever, there is a balance to be found here. We are talking about maturing technologies, potentially up to flight testing within three years. To do it in this time frame is ambitious and will require a significant reshaping of the organisational model, as well as in the processes. What we need to do is ensure that in all the areas – avionics, cockpit, airframe, aerodynamics — we introduce something which is valuable for the customers for the next 40 years.

https://world.eurofighter.com/articles/evolution-of-eurofighter-taking-shape?fbclid=IwAR1Rgxpy7tCzTRgOPbfQEZd_PhIJ48sv_IFUlSHUtsmF0Fy9j2BdurWi5Fw
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/07/2022 | 22:29 uur
53rd Wing completes first-ever guided launch of AIM-120D3

Published July 18, 2022
By 1st Lt Lindsey Heflin
53rd Wing


A 53rd Wing F-15E Strike Eagle executed the first-ever guided launch of the AIM-120D3 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile here June 30, 2022 successfully engaging a QF-16 full-scale aerial target.

The 28th Test and Evaluation Squadron and 85th Test and Evaluation Squadron's test effort was to execute a long-range shot that physically stressed the new missile hardware and verified missile performance capabilities.

The AMRAAM F3R is a comprehensive hardware system redesign impacting 15 Circuit Card Assemblies replacing early 2000s technology components.

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U.S. Air Force photo by 1st Lindsey Heflin

"Successful execution proves the redesigned hardware and software are progressing as expected and puts us one step closer to fielding a reliable, sustainable air-to-air capability to the warfighter," said Maj. Heath Honaker, 28th TES director of engineering and advanced programs.

In the months preceding the launch, the test team conducted several captive-carry test missions with AIM-120D3 instrumented test vehicles to collect data and ensure the new missile hardware and software functioned correctly.

"F3R is critical to enabling high-confidence AIM-120D production from 2022 through the remainder of the missile life-cycle," said Honaker.

Completion of the live-fire event required close coordination between Air Force Life Cycle Management Center (AFLCMC) Air Dominance Division, 96th Test Wing, 53rd Weapons Evaluation Group, Boeing and Raytheon Missiles & Defense personnel to ensure the aircraft, missile, airborne targets, and Eglin range safety and data collection systems were ready.  The result was an effective live-fire test that met all objectives. 

This launch is the first of five combined Air Force and Navy live-fires scheduled for the AMRAAM F3R program.

https://www.eglin.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3095904/53rd-wing-completes-first-ever-guided-launch-of-aim-120d3/
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 19/07/2022 | 22:30 uur
Lockheed Martin Reaches Lot 15-17 Handshake Agreement

July 18, 2022

Through a collaborative effort with the F-35 enterprise, including the Joint Program Office, suppliers and teammates, we successfully reached an agreement on Lots 15 through 17 on a basis of 375 aircraft. In the midst of continued COVID-19 impacts and decreased F-35 quantities, the F-35 enterprise was able to achieve a cost per jet lower than record-breaking inflation trends. This price also includes modernized hardware needed to power Block 4 capabilities, which ensure the F-35 remains the world's most capable aircraft in production today.

The deal, once finalized, represents global fleet growth and delivers cost-competitive, unparalleled 5th Generation capabilities. We will share the final aircraft quantity and cost figures when the agreement is officially signed in the next few months.

Worldwide U.S. allies continue to select the F-35 to replace aging fighter jets. Lockheed Martin's commitment to providing affordable capability was cited as a differentiating factor in Finland and Switzerland's decision to procure the F-35. Also, Canada's decision to move forward with the F-35 into the Finalization phase and Germany's interest in procuring the aircraft show that customers understand the load the F-35 carries.

Over the next few months, the Lockheed Martin and Pentagon team will work together to finalize the agreement. Stay tuned for more updates.

https://www.f35.com/f35/news-and-features/lot-15-17-handshake-agreement.html
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Bericht door: artemivanov op 20/07/2022 | 09:51 uur
UK builds momentum on combat air programme with demonstrator set to fly within five years

CitaatA new flying demonstrator will be unveiled within the next five years as part of the UK's major next generation fighter aircraft programme, the Future Combat Air System. It comes as the future combat air programme launches a new recruitment and skills initiative known as Generation Tempest, set to create thousands of new job opportunities across the United Kingdom.

The demonstrator aircraft is already in development between the Government and Team Tempest industry partners and the UK is actively progressing collaboration opportunities on the project with Italian industry partners.

en een groter uitgebreid verhaal op: https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles/uk-builds-momentum-on-combat-air-programme-with-demonstrator-set-to-fly-within-five-years/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 20/07/2022 | 11:20 uur
Zal wel weer een gemodificeerde typhoon zijn met een step nieuwe vleugels en antennes.  Wat aanpassingen en poeha voor de pers.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 20/07/2022 | 12:26 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 20/07/2022 | 11:20 uur
Zal wel weer een gemodificeerde typhoon zijn met een step nieuwe vleugels en antennes.  Wat aanpassingen en poeha voor de pers.
Als men het Tempest dan in 2035 in dienst wil laten treden.  Wordt dat gegarandeerd een onhaalbare kaart, met een pimped-up Typhoon als Technology Demonstrator.
Tempest wordt Low Observable (LO), in hoeverre die steelsheid wordt doorgevoerd blijft natuurlijk geheim.  Maar vraagt om kwalitatief veel hogere standaarden qua ontwerp-, en productie wijzen dan bij een non-LO kist als het Typhoon.

In 1994 tot en met 1999 begon het Britse BAE Systems al met het LO onderzoek programma "Replica"
Doel van Replica was het ontwerpen en bouwen van een LO jachtvliegtuig casco, uiteraard binnen een opgegeven budget.
In april 2003 werd Replica gede-classificeerd en aan de media voorgesteld als mogelijk concept voor het Future Offensive Air System (FOAS) programma.  FOAS zou toen per 2017 een vervanger voor het Tornado GR4  aanvalsvliegtuig moeten opleveren.   Het Replica project past natuurlijk naadloos in de Britse deelname aan het JSF project.   zie:  https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3590-secret-uk-stealth-plane-project-revealed/

Leuk zo een LO casco op een paal.
Maar nu nog in het echt.  De volgende stap was ontwikkeling van een steelse UCAV vliegende vleugel.
Het Taranis maakte haar eerste vlucht in augustus 2013.  Dit is in feite een recycleerbaar kruisvluchtwapen.  De volgende stap is dat de Britse industrie demonstreren dat ze ook een wendbaar LO jachtvliegtuig kunnen bouwen en vliegen.
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Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 20/07/2022 | 13:30 uur
Ik weet niks van luchtvaart..maar na het lezen van alleen de 1e regels wist ik al dat dit om een typhoon gaat. Die britse pers is het meest verschrikkelijk van allemaal.
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/08/2022 | 22:49 uur
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Bericht door: Flyguy op 04/08/2022 | 00:07 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 20/07/2022 | 13:30 uur
Ik weet niks van luchtvaart..maar na het lezen van alleen de 1e regels wist ik al dat dit om een typhoon gaat. Die britse pers is het meest verschrikkelijk van allemaal.

De Britten hebben gescheiden media voor het gepeupel en hogere echelons. Die laatste is echt wereldklasse, die eerste hilarisch.
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/08/2022 | 10:29 uur
Norway selects StormBreaker smart weapon for F-35 fleet

TUCSON, Ariz., (July 18, 2022) — The government of Norway has confirmed its intention to procure Raytheon Missiles & Defense's StormBreaker® smart weapon from the U.S. Air Force. Preparations are now underway to integrate the network-enabled weapon into the capabilities of the Royal Norwegian Air Force.

"We see StormBreaker as an essential component in achieving the full operational capability of our F-35 fleet," said Brig. Gen. Sigurd Fongen, head of the F-35 project office, Norwegian Defence Staff. "The weapon will bring significant capability against stationary and moving targets at stand-off ranges, further enhancing the Norwegian Air Force's ability to maintain national and regional security alongside our allies."

The StormBreaker smart weapon (https://www.raytheonmissilesanddefense.com/what-we-do/air-warfare/air-to-surface-missiles/stormbreaker-smart-weapon) gives operators an upper hand in combat by hitting stationary and moving targets in some of the worst weather conditions. The network-enabled munition autonomously detects and classifies targets in poor visibility situations caused by darkness, bad weather, smoke or dust.

"StormBreaker delivers a unique combination of power, precision and operational flexibility to the joint and allied fight," said Paul Ferraro, president of Air Power for Raytheon Missiles & Defense.

StormBreaker is a fielded munition on the U.S. Air Force's F-15E Strike Eagle, and the weapon has performed various live drops and weapons evaluations since. The U.S. Navy will declare initial operating capability on the Super Hornet after operational testing concludes. Integration activities are also underway on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter as well as additional manned and unmanned platforms.

(https://prd-sc101-cdn.rtx.com/-/media/rmd/news/2022/07/18/norway-selects-stormbreaker-smart-weapon-for-f-35-fleet/22rmd215_f35b_1600x900.jpg?w=1600&rev=83bcd0004e1740aa9dc0eadc339a0abd&hash=F601BCD3339F50993054CA51512CD6C7)

https://www.raytheonmissilesanddefense.com/news/2022/07/18/norway-selects-stormbreaker-smart-weapon-for-f-35-fleet
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/08/2022 | 23:05 uur
461st Flight Test Squadron receives brand new F-35A (start Block 4 hardware tests)

Published Aug. 15, 2022
By Giancarlo Casem
412th Test Wing Public Affairs


EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE, Calif. --  The newest F-35A, straight out of the factory, found its new home here at Edwards Air Force Base, California, Aug. 1.

The aircraft, Air Force serial number 338, is the first of six F-35s the 461st Flight Test Squadron and F-35 Lightning II Integrated Test Force will receive in the next few years. The upgraded fleet will be used to test the Technical Refresh 3 and Block 4 configurations of the Air Force's newest fighter that will create tactical and operational advantages over peer competitors.

"The 461st needs airplanes; our complex test missions require a 4-ship of instrumented test jets to fully evaluate F-35 warfighting systems," said Lt. Col. Jonathan Bearce, an Air Force Reservist with the 370th Flight Test Squadron currently flying for the 461st "Deadly Jesters."

The 461 FLTS is the Department of Defense's lead developmental flight test unit for sensors, weapons, and software on all three variants of the F-35. The team has been behind every previous test project that has fielded new capabilities to operational F-35 units around the world.

"The F-35 is modernizing from a Tech Refresh 2 configuration to a Tech Refresh 3 configuration.  But we are still developing capabilities for both configurations for the next few years.  Developmental testers need to evaluate those capabilities using 4-ship formations in each configuration, which drives an increase to our total fleet size," Bearce explained.

The software and hardware upgrades are aimed at increases the Lightning II's capabilities and survivability in contested combat environments.

"Your iPhone gets upgraded all the time, this is kind of the same thing for the F-35," Bearce said. "The F-35 is getting more computing power so it can host new capabilities as well as future weapons as we need them."

These future upgrades will benefit the 826 fielded F-35 aircraft in the US Air Force, Marine Corps, and Navy as well as the eight partner nations in the F-35 program and the 15 total nations participating in the F-35 program. Brand-new Tech Refresh 3 aircraft will be rolling off the assembly line starting in the summer of 2023. The Deadly Jesters' will use their bigger test fleet to ensure those jets are combat-ready from the outset.

https://www.edwards.af.mil/News/Article/3128633/461st-flight-test-squadron-receives-brand-new-f-35a/
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Bericht door: Harald op 18/08/2022 | 16:50 uur
Duitsland stuurt gevechtsvliegtuigen naar Australië

https://www.upinthesky.nl/2022/08/16/duitsland-stuurt-gevechtsvliegtuigen-naar-australie/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 19/08/2022 | 00:39 uur
Duitsland oefent in australie moet daar eigelijk staan.
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/09/2022 | 23:04 uur
USAFE 'excited' to learn SwAF aircraft dispersal techniques

31 AUGUST 2022

by Gareth Jennings

The US Air Forces in Europe (USAFE) is to learn how the Swedish Air Force (SwAF) conducts the wartime dispersal of its fighter forces.

Speaking to Janes and other defence media on 26 August, the Commander of USAFE, General James B Hecker, said at the Uppsala Airshow that he is sending personnel to Sweden "to see how they do this so well".

"The ability to disperse aircraft is a speciality of theirs," Gen Hecker said of the SwAF, adding, "Sweden has got Agile Combat Employment (ACE) down better than any other air force in the world, and we are going to exploit that [knowledge for NATO]. It's very exciting!" According to Gen Hecker, a team from the US Air Force's (USAF's) Air Combat Command (ACC) should arrive in Sweden in the coming days.

The SwAF operates the Saab Gripen C/D and will shortly receive the Gripen E for a mixed force of 100 front-line combat aircraft. Gripen squadrons are divided between northern and southern Sweden, with a distribution that leaves it poised to respond to any incursions of national airspace.

In line with previous Saab designs for the SwAF, the Gripen was built from the outset to operate from small airstrips and straight stretches of road, with the ability to be serviced and turned around between missions in a matter of minutes by a small team of conscripts. In the event of war, dispersing Gripens to predesignated stretches of road and remote landing strips around the country would ensure that they are not easily targeted by an enemy.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/usafe-excited-to-learn-swaf-aircraft-dispersal-techniques
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Bericht door: Parera op 06/09/2022 | 21:50 uur
Singapore reveals it might choose a different F-35 variant

DARWIN, Australia — Singapore is considering buying another F-35 variant despite already selecting and receiving U.S. approval for the "B" version, which can take off from short runways and land vertically, according to a top official with the procurement effort.

Speaking to media during a multinational air combat exercise in northern Australia, Major Zhang Jian Wei, who leads his country's office in charge of the next-generation fighter project, left open the possibility that the island nation may choose another variant. The other two F-35 versions are the "A" — which operates from conventional runways — and the "C" — which is used on aircraft carriers.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2022/09/06/singapore-reveals-it-might-choose-a-different-f-35-variant/

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Bericht door: Harald op 13/09/2022 | 08:13 uur
Mired in politics, Franco-German next-gen fighter 'likely headed for the 2050s'   ( gaat goed met de FR/DU NG fighter ontwikkeling..  :hrmph:  :silent: )

Before any technical decisions can get finalized, the companies need to figure out how to "reach an agreement that satisfies the interests of all three nations in terms of participation on an equal footing," as a German Defense Ministry report wrote in June.

France's Dassault Aviation and Germany's Airbus Defence & Space might be close to resolving their differences about workshare on the Next Generation Fighter (NGF), the 6th generation fighter at the heart of the Franco-German-Spanish Future Combat Air System — but ironing out the business issues now seems to have pushed the operational date back by several years.

"We're not far, but not there yet," Dassault's CEO Eric Trappier told media on July 20 in Paris, just before the European defense community's traditional vacation period of August. Originally planned to replace the French Rafale and German and Spanish Eurofighters by 2040, Trappier says that "with the delays it's already too late for 2040. We're more likely headed for the 2050s."

The program, now known by its French acronym SCAF to differentiate it from the British-Italian FCAS program, will operate in a network with remotely piloted air systems, known in this program as unmanned remote carriers/Loyal Wingman, with Airbus as the prime for the unmanned portion. Spain's Indra is the lead contractor responsible for the sensors, alongside Thales and Germany's FCMS.

As with other sixth-generation fighter designs, tradeoffs are going to define what the jet ultimately looks like. NGF must find a balance between high stealth capability and the best aerodynamics and between measures to locate a target and countermeasures to protect the aircraft from being detected. It will need to carry high precision air-to-ground and long-range air-to-air weapons. It will need enough computing power to process huge amounts of data resulting from operating in a network, but will also need powerful protection from opposing electronic measures and cyber attacks.

But before any technical decisions can get finalized, the companies need to figure out how to "reach an agreement that satisfies the interests of all three nations in terms of participation on an equal footing," as a German Defense Ministry report wrote in June.

"This program is, by essence, extremely complicated," said a French defense expert, who spoke on condition he not be named. "And it's behind schedule not only because the German bundestag [parliament] has to vote for every defense procurement but also because the three partners are bickering over who gets to do what."

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https://breakingdefense.com/2022/09/mired-in-politics-franco-german-next-gen-fighter-likely-headed-for-the-2050s/
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Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/09/2022 | 23:02 uur
National Council Commission approves F-35 procurement (weer een Zwitserse instantie die goedkeuring geeft.)

September 12, 2022

Green light for the fighter jet

National Council Commission approves F-35 procurement

The Security Commission of the National Council is clearly in favor of the procurement of the new fighter jet. Approval for the F-35A is also expected in the National Council on September 15th.

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https://switzerlandtimes.ch/politics/national-council-commission-approves-f-35-procurement/?fbclid=IwAR0xFGWkbTC6nBrdcurvrQY8JyNN_bQ9z-GYkHewh6kFgc04EgpHQfIysTY
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 14/09/2022 | 09:28 uur
Kan dit niet serieus nemen, gedraai heeft ze al 5 F-35's gekost.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 16/09/2022 | 23:02 uur
Swiss Parliament instructs Federal Council to purchase F-35A fighter jets (En weer een Europese F-35A gebruiker erbij)

15/09/2022 F-35, Patriot, Switzerland

09.15.2022 – In the Army Dispatch 2022, the Federal Council is requesting commitment appropriations totaling CHF 9.3 billion. These appropriations include Federal Orders
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Bericht door: Parera op 19/09/2022 | 07:22 uur
Poland inks deal for FA-50 light attack aircraft from South Korea

WARSAW, Poland — Poland's Ministry of National Defence has signed two contracts to buy 48 FA-50 light attack aircraft from South Korea, with the first 12 jets to be delivered next year and a further 36 aircraft in the years 2025 to 2028.

Polish President Andrzej Duda, who was present at the official signing ceremony on Sept. 16, said "the implementation of the program to introduce the FA-50 aircraft to the Polish military will allow us to fully resign from using the [Soviet-designed] MiG-29 and Su-22 aircraft," as quoted in a statement released by his office.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2022/09/17/poland-inks-deal-for-fa-50-light-attack-aircraft-from-south-korea/
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Bericht door: Lynxian op 19/09/2022 | 23:33 uur
"Go ahead Vladimir, make my day!"
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 27/09/2022 | 10:59 uur
Turkey touts Eurofighter plan, should F-16 talks stall

Turkey has, for the first time, officially pronounced a possible purchase of Eurofighter Typhoons in case if the United States fails to sell Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcons.

İbrahim Kalın, Turkey's presidential spokesperson, confirmed the previously reported plan, telling local NTV news channel on 23 September, "We have negotiations with Europe regarding [...] Eurofighter [...] Turkey will never be without alternatives."

Turkey made a request to the United States for 40 F-16 fighters and nearly 80 modernisation kits for its existing warplanes in October 2021.

The US administration warmed to the sale of the fighters to Turkey, Kalın said, as the Joe Biden administration in June threw its support behind the potential sale after Ankara lifted a veto of NATO membership for Finland and Sweden.

However, a condition set out by the US House of Representatives in July 2022 to ensure that F-16 jets sold to Ankara are not used to violate Greek airspace has been rejected by Turkey.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/air-platforms/latest/turkey-touts-eurofighter-plan-should-f-16-talks-stall
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Bericht door: Harald op 28/09/2022 | 10:29 uur
Pentagon inspector general has questions about the Air Force's sixth-gen fighter

The Pentagon's inspector general wants to look into whether the Next Generation Air Dominance program was mature enough to enter the engineering and manufacturing development phase. However, the program may have never officially entered EMD.

The Air Force's sixth generation fighter program hasn't produced a single operational aircraft yet, but the Defense Department inspector general is already looking into whether the service is moving too fast with untested tech.

"Our objective is to determine the extent to which the Air Force demonstrated that the critical technologies used in the Next-Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) fighter aircraft were mature enough to support entry into the engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) phase of the NGAD program's acquisition timeline," Randolph Stone, assistant inspector general for evaluations, space, intelligence, engineering and oversight, wrote in a memo Monday announcing a new review.

The Air Force did not have an immediate comment on the matter.

The premise of the evaluation sounds simple enough, but there's a problem: The NGAD program may not technically be in the engineering and manufacturing development stage just yet, based on the latest of several clarifying comments from Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall.

The Next Generation Air Dominance program is a family of systems that includes a sixth-generation manned fighter, an assortment of drones called Collaborative Combat Aircraft, new weapons such as the AIM-260 Joint Advanced Tactical Missile, and potentially other classified systems. At least one manned NGAD fighter prototype first flew in 2020, but the operational version of the aircraft won't be ready to be fielded until at least 2030.

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https://breakingdefense.com/2022/09/pentagon-inspector-general-has-questions-about-the-air-forces-sixth-gen-fighter/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/11/2022 | 09:09 uur
9 reasons why the F-35 needs a new engine

https://breakingdefense.com/2022/11/9-reasons-why-the-f-35-needs-a-new-engine/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/11/2022 | 15:39 uur
Second KF-21 has flown

The second prototype of South Korea's homegrown fighter jet, the KF-21 Boramae, made its successful maiden test flight Thursday, the country's arms agency said.

It took off from the Air Force's 3rd Flying Training Wing in Sacheon, about 300 kilometers south of Seoul, at 9:49 a.m. and landed without a hitch at 10:24 a.m., according to the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA).

It flew at an average speed of 407 kph during the 35-minute flight near the headquarters of its developer, the Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI), a source said later.

The first prototype of the 4.5th-generation fighter succeeded in its maiden flight on July 19.

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https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20221110006551325?section=news

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVjWA96FydQ
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/11/2022 | 22:15 uur
Ondertekende recordovereenkomst voor raketten voor F-35 (officieuze vertaling uit het Noors)

Gro J?re, directeur van het Noorse Defensie Materieel Agentschap, heeft vandaag een overeenkomst getekend met de Amerikaanse autoriteiten over de aankoop van AMRAAM-D lucht-luchtraketten voor gebruik op Noorse F-35 gevechtsvliegtuigen ter waarde van ongeveer vijf miljard kronen.

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AMRAAM-D zal het belangrijkste wapen zijn dat Noorse gevechtsvliegtuigen zullen gebruiken om het Noorse luchtruim de komende decennia te verdedigen, en is de grootste enkele aankoop van wapens voor de strijdkrachten ooit.

"Dit is een zeer belangrijke overeenkomst, zowel voor de Noorse defensiecapaciteit als voor de Noors-Amerikaanse samenwerking", zei minister van Defensie Bjorn Arild Gram van de Centrumpartij.

De raket vertegenwoordigt enkele van de belangrijkste Amerikaanse defensietechnologie, voorheen alleen ge?xporteerd naar nauwe bondgenoten zoals Canada, Australi? en het VK.

"We zijn erg blij dat Noorwegen nu ook toegang heeft tot dergelijke geavanceerde raketten en dat we nu een grote aankoop van lucht-luchtraketten voor de middellange afstand uitvoeren die het potentieel van het F35-platform zullen ontketenen en onze toekomstige defensiecapaciteit zullen versterken. Dit is vooral belangrijk in het licht van de huidige veiligheidssituatie", aldus de minister van Defensie.

Verbeterde mogelijkheden tegen alle soorten bedreigingen

AMRAAM-D is een verbeterde versie van de raketten die eerder werden gebruikt door zowel de F-16 als het NASAMS-luchtverdedigingssysteem. Met een krachtigere motor, betere controlesystemen en datalink geeft de raket Noorse gevechtsvliegtuigen een beter vermogen om de breedte van moderne luchtbedreigingen te bestrijden.

"De F-35 is uitgerust met sensoren die veel meer soorten bedreigingen over veel grotere afstanden dan voorheen kunnen detecteren. Door deze overname krijgt het vliegtuig een wapen dat ook grote verbeteringen heeft in sensoren en bereik, en dat effectief zal zijn tegen alles, van drones en kruisraketten tot andere gevechtsvliegtuigen", zegt Gro J?re, directeur van het Noorse defensiematerieelagentschap.

De raketten worden tot en met 2028 geleverd. De overname maakt deel uit van het kostenkader voor de aanschaf van gevechtsvliegtuigen, waarbij grote delen van de resterende middelen zullen worden besteed aan verschillende soorten wapens, waaronder AMRAAM-D en JSM.

Grote industri?le kansen

In verband met de overeenkomst wordt ook een industri?le samenwerkingsovereenkomst ondertekend met de rakettenfabrikant Raytheon, die al nauwe samenwerking heeft met verschillende Noorse defensiebedrijven.

"Het is belangrijk voor de overheid dat grote defensieaankopen uit het buitenland ook kansen cre?ren voor de Noorse industrie, en dit is geen uitzondering. We zien verschillende relevante samenwerkingsgebieden die samen kunnen zorgen voor waardecreatie ter waarde van enkele miljarden kronen", zegt minister van Defensie Bj?rn Arild Gram.

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Van links naar rechts: Us Defense Attach? to Norway Navy Captain Eric Severseike, Director of Defense Materiel Gro J?re en Minister van Defensie Bjorn Arild Gram.

https://www.fma.no/aktuelt-og-media/2020/signerte-rekordavtale-for-missiler-til-f-35
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/11/2022 | 22:57 uur
IFC 2022: Luftwaffe reaffirms F-35A, Eurofighter EK procurement plan

17 NOVEMBER 2022

by Gareth Jennings

The Luftwaffe has restated its earlier declared intent to satisfy its Tornado replacement requirement with Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter and Eurofighter Electronic Combat (Elektronischer Kampf: EK) aircraft, despite recent reports this was being reconsidered because of budgetary pressures.

Speaking at the IQPC International Fighter Conference (IFC) 2022 held in Berlin from 16 to 18 November, the Commander of the Air Force Forces Command, Lieutenant General G?nter Katz, said that the intent to procure 35 F-35As and 15 Eurofighter EKs remains.

This statement on 16 November was contrary to German media reports over recent weeks that F-35 numbers were being revised downwards and the Eurofighter EK was to be replaced by the Boeing EA-18G Growler as a result of inflationary pressures on the EUR100 billion (USD103.86 billion) S?nderverm?gen (special fund) uplift in national defence spending that was introduced on the back of Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February.

The Bundeswehr announced on 14 March that it had selected the F-35A and Eurofighter EK to fulfil its Tornado replacement requirement. ?The decision on the Tornado successor has been made. With the aircraft type F-35, the task of nuclear sharing will be guaranteed in the future. The goal is to replace the Tornado by 2030,? the Bundeswehr said at the time, adding, ?The Eurofighter will also be retained for the armed forces, and will be further developed for the electronic combat role.?

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/ifc-2022-luftwaffe-reaffirms-f-35a-eurofighter-ek-procurement-plan
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 23/11/2022 | 14:53 uur
Turkije schiet al aardig op met haar toekomstige fighter jet


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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/12/2022 | 08:01 uur
Swedish FCAS involvement ?in hibernation', says Saab CEO

Sweden's participation in the UK-led Future Combat Air System (FCAS) is effectively on hiatus, with Saab's President and CEO Micael Johansson saying on 26 August that the country is in ?a hibernation period? on the multinational project.

Speaking to Janes and other defence media at the company's Stockholm headquarters, Johansson said that the initial promise of the project had not so far materialised, and that Saab and Sweden were taking a back seat while they consider their own future requirements at the same time as the other FCAS partners map out the future direction of the programme.

?We are on the margins [of FCAS], and our involvement has not been as intensive as we thought it would be at first,? Johansson said, adding, ?We are not out of the programme, but there has been a hibernation period for Sweden while we see how the UK, Italy, and potentially Japan set up the programme. I am not sure how this will play out.?

Sweden joined the UK and Italy on FCAS in July 2019, with the then UK Minister for Defence Procurement in the Ministry of Defence Stuart Andrew and Swedish Defence Minister Peter Hultqvist signing a memorandum of understanding (MOU) for both countries to work together in developing future combat aviation technologies.

Although a part of the FCAS effort, Sweden's focus has been on developing the technologies that can be used to upgrade its fleet of domestically developed and manufactured Saab Gripen fighters. As such, the country has not yet committed to join the Tempest future fighter project that is the core element of FCAS.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/swedish-fcas-involvement-in-hibernation-says-saab-ceo
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/12/2022 | 10:11 uur
Citaat van: Janes op 09/12/2022 | 08:01 uur
Swedish FCAS involvement ?in hibernation', says Saab CEO

Sweden's participation in the UK-led Future Combat Air System (FCAS) is effectively on hiatus, with Saab's President and CEO Micael Johansson saying on 26 August that the country is in ?a hibernation period? on the multinational project.

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/swedish-fcas-involvement-in-hibernation-says-saab-ceo

Hoeveel doorgroeimogelijkheden heeft de JAS 39 E Gripen? Eens zal er vervanging moeten komen en dan is het de vraag of Saab nog in staat is geheel zelfstandig een type te ontwikkelen. De laatste keer dat Zweden een buitenlands jachtvliegtuig had, was de Hawker Hunter.

Het FCAS project heeft goede partners nodig. Zeker als het moet concurreren met het Frans-Duitse project.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/12/2022 | 10:55 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/12/2022 | 10:11 uur
Hoeveel doorgroeimogelijkheden heeft de JAS 39 E Gripen? Eens zal er vervanging moeten komen en dan is het de vraag of Saab nog in staat is geheel zelfstandig een type te ontwikkelen. De laatste keer dat Zweden een buitenlands jachtvliegtuig had, was de Hawker Hunter.

Het FCAS project heeft goede partners nodig. Zeker als het moet concurreren met het Frans-Duitse project.

Zoals ik het nu zie was het concept FS2020 de laatste re?le kans voor een autonoom Zweeds gevechtsvliegtuig.

Saab zag dit als vervanger voor de Gripen C/D, de Zweedse overheid had geen trek om dit concept te financieren dus werd gekozen voor een gepimte Gripen.

Jammer, de FS2020 had in mijn ogen de toekomst  voor Saab als autonome ontwikkelaar en producent een kans gegeven.

Fast forward naar vandaag, waar Zweden op de NAVO drempel staat: ik denk dat ze op dit vlak weinig andere keus hebben dan zich aan te sluiten bij een andere partij of partijen die de weg zijn ingeslagen naar een volgende generatie gevechtsvliegtuig. ik verwacht niet dat Saab i.c.m. de Zweedse overheid bereidt is om vele tientallen miljarden te steken in een eigen ontwikkeltraject.

Wel is er natuurlijk nog een kans als een aantal partijen Saab ziet als hoofdaannemer voor een nieuwe gezamenlijke ontwikkeling, maar dat zou dan het 3e Europese initiatief zijn, waarbij ik wel het idee heb dat er markt is voor een lichte tot middelzware ??n pitter want de  te verwachte aanschafkosten voor FCAS, Tempest of NGAD zullen de F-35A tot een budget kist reduceren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 14/12/2022 | 17:22 uur
Brian Everstone (Aviationweek) via Twitter

Germany's Ministry of Defense formally announced it will buy 35 F-35As, making it the ninth foreign military sales customer for the jet.

Lockheed: Deal includes engines, role-specific mission equipment, spares, logistics support, training and armament


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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 14/12/2022 | 23:00 uur
Citaat van: pz op 14/12/2022 | 17:22 uur
Brian Everstone (Aviationweek) via Twitter

Germany's Ministry of Defense formally announced it will buy 35 F-35As, making it the ninth foreign military sales customer for the jet.

Lockheed: Deal includes engines, role-specific mission equipment, spares, logistics support, training and armament

De Luftwaffe begint in 2026 met de F-35 opleiding op Ebbing ANGB, Fort Smith, Arkansas.

Levering volgens planning:
2026 - 8 stuks voor opleiding in de VS
2027 - 10 stuks
2028 - 10 stuks
2029 - 7 stuks

https://www.scramble.nl/community/messageboard/48/69822?start=2265

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/luftwaffe-f-35a-lightning-ii-at-buechel-air-base

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2644380/ebbing-angb-selected-to-host-f-35-training-center-for-fms-participants-rsaf-f-1/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 15/12/2022 | 08:53 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 14/12/2022 | 23:00 uur
De Luftwaffe begint in 2026 met de F-35 opleiding op Ebbing ANGB, Fort Smith, Arkansas.

Levering volgens planning:
2026 - 8 stuks voor opleiding in de VS
2027 - 10 stuks
2028 - 10 stuks
2029 - 7 stuks

https://www.scramble.nl/community/messageboard/48/69822?start=2265

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/luftwaffe-f-35a-lightning-ii-at-buechel-air-base

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2644380/ebbing-angb-selected-to-host-f-35-training-center-for-fms-participants-rsaf-f-1/

Ik moet zeggen dat ik het aantal van 35 voor een land als Duitsland nogal laag vind, ondanks dat ze straks nog bijna 180 EF Typhoons hebben houd ik hoop op een vervolg order F-35's.
Met het oog op de huidige situatie zouden de Duitsers toch minimaal een 3 a 4 tal F-35 squadrons moeten kunnen opereren naast de 4 a 5 EF Typhoon squadrons.

Met 5x EF Typhoon en 3x F-35 squadrons hebben de Duitsers wat mij betreft wel een stevige luchtmacht.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/12/2022 | 09:40 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 15/12/2022 | 08:53 uur
Ik moet zeggen dat ik het aantal van 35 voor een land als Duitsland nogal laag vind, ondanks dat ze straks nog bijna 180 EF Typhoons hebben houd ik hoop op een vervolg order F-35's.
Met het oog op de huidige situatie zouden de Duitsers toch minimaal een 3 a 4 tal F-35 squadrons moeten kunnen opereren naast de 4 a 5 EF Typhoon squadrons.

Met 5x EF Typhoon en 3x F-35 squadrons hebben de Duitsers wat mij betreft wel een stevige luchtmacht.

Het merendeel is voor de wing TaktLwG 33 v/h JBG-33, vliegbasis Buchel. Weet niet of nog meer F-35A's door de Fransen zal worden geaccepteerd.

Die 8 stuks in de VS is om zoveel mogelijk vliegers en grondpersoneel om te scholen. Hetzelfde wat wij bij 308th FS, Luke AFB hebben. Het aantal F-35A's voor de opleiding zal in de loop van de tijd minder worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/12/2022 | 08:25 uur
Die ersten Iraner lernen, wie man die Su-35 fliegt
https://www.flugrevue.de/militaer/russland-bildet-iranische-piloten-auf-suchoi-su-35-aus/

(artikel vertaald via Google Translate)

De Iraanse luchtmacht heeft al tientallen jaren geen nieuwe straaljagers meer ontvangen. Maar er zijn steeds meer tekenen dat dit in 2023 gaat veranderen. Volgens de Amerikaanse regering worden in Rusland al de eerste Iraanse piloten opgeleid op de Sukhoi Su-35.

De deal hing al maanden in de lucht en is nog niet officieel beslist ? maar dat hoeft niet veel te betekenen. Tenminste als je de uitspraken van de Amerikaanse regering gelooft. Volgens hen staat Iran op het punt om ten minste 24 Sukhoi Su-35S uit Rusland te kopen. Sommige van de jets zijn al op voorraad bij de KnAAPO-vliegtuigfabriek in Komsomolsk am Amur - en zouden snel beschikbaar zijn. Ze werden eigenlijk in Rusland voor Egypte geproduceerd - maar de Egyptenaren trokken zich terug uit het koopcontract nadat de VS hen met sancties hadden bedreigd. Sindsdien zijn de Russen op zoek naar nieuwe klanten. Iran is precies wat je zoekt.

Su-35 op de agenda
Het hoofd van de Iraanse luchtmacht, Hamid Vahedi, zei in september voor het laatst officieel dat de aanschaf van de Su-35S op de agenda stond. Een exact aantal items kon destijds niet in de aankondigingen worden gevonden. Iraanse media schatten daarentegen de behoefte aan minstens 60 vliegtuigen, waarvan sommige later in Iraanse fabrieken zouden kunnen worden geassembleerd. De Iraanse militaire analist Babak Taghvaee schatte de totale behoefte aan Su-35S in een Twitter-bericht op "minstens 64" voorbeelden. Aangezien de Iraanse luchtmacht, getemd door sancties, jarenlang geen nieuwe (buitenlandse) straaljagers heeft ontvangen, wordt haar repertoire navenant als achterhaald beschouwd. Naast 's werelds laatste vliegende F-14 Tomcat gebruikt de Islamitische Republiek ook oude F-4 Phantoms en (vroege) MiG-29's. De voorraad wordt aangevuld met zelf ontwikkelde afgeleiden van de Northrop F-5.

"Volledig defensiepartnerschap"
Volgens Amerikaanse functionarissen krijgen de zaken met de verlaten Sukhoi duidelijkere contouren. Zo verwachten de Verenigde Staten komend jaar de komst van de eerste batch Su-35S in Iran, schrijft NBC News naar aanleiding van Amerikaanse regeringskringen. Dienovereenkomstig reisden de eerste Iraanse jachtpiloten in het voorjaar naar Rusland om daar ge?nstrueerd en getraind te worden in het nieuwe model. In ruil daarvoor levert Iran de Russen militaire hulp voor de oorlog in Oekra?ne - naast de beruchte Shahed 136 "kamikaze-drones" zouden ook ballistische raketten ter discussie staan. Het partnerschap tussen de twee landen verandert in een "volledig defensiepartnerschap", benadrukten de Amerikaanse functionarissen. Dit partnerschap omvatte "wapens en militaire expertise die in beide richtingen vloeide".

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/12/2022 | 08:41 uur
Colombia will order the Dassault Rafale

Published: 21 December 2022 Last Updated: 21 December 2022

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Photo by Jos? Dami?n Gonz?lez Mart?nez (Scramble Archive)

n a surprise move, the Colombian government will order 16 Dassault Rafales fighter jets from France, to replace its ageing IAI Kfir fighter-bombers. As reported by Scramble Magazine on 11 February 2022 (https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/colombia-set-to-retire-kfir-fighters), the Kfirs will reach the end of their technical life in 2023.

Although the Colombian president has stated repeatedly that the replacement of the Kfirs was not one of his priorities after taking office last August, a decision has now been made to do just that. Colombia will order Rafale fighters

The Lockheed-Martin F-16V has long been named a frontrunner in the competition set for the Fuerza Aerea Colombiana (FAC, Colombian Air Force). However, the rapidly decreasing operational availability of the Kfirs and an offer made by Dassault has shifted the government and FAC?s favour towards the Rafale. A contract is expected in early 2023, and deliveries will start later in 2023 already.

Many reasons seem to have helped the Rafale to win the heavily contested contract, for which the other contenders were the SAAB JAS39 Gripen and the Eurofighter Typhoon.

The Gripen turned out to be the second best option in many operational and cost aspects, but the delivery schedule of the Swedish company did not match the wishes of the FAC. As for the Typhoon, Tranche 1 and 2 aircraft were ordered by Germany, although Colombia eyed the Tranche 3 version, which turned out as the option with the highest operating costs.

The F-16V package offered was inferior in some respects to the current systems used on the Kfir, in terms of electronic warfare systems and the range of the air-to-air missiles included in the US offering. Nor does it allow integration of Israeli weapons owned by the FAC, such as the Python 5, Derby and Spice bombs.

France decided to remove certain end-user restrictions on the Rafale in order to win over the Colombian government. They agreed to offer the integration of the Meteor missile, but also to integrate the Derby, Phyton 5 and Spice bombs, making it the most capable of the aircraft offered.

France also stated that it can start delivering them in one year, the shortest term of all. The electronic warfare capacity can be customised and Dassault will give Colombia access to the database to be able to modify it. It can integrate Israeli weaponry, employment restrictions have been lifted, it has design anti-ship capability, and is combat proven. The operating costs are equal to the Kfir, but with many more capabilities.

It has not been reported if the deal includes Rafale B dual seat fighters.

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Photo by Wim Sonneveld

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/colombia-will-order-the-dassault-rafale
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/12/2022 | 08:45 uur
Canada orders first batch of Lightning IIs

Published: 21 December 2022 Last Updated: 21 December 2022

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Photo by David M. Parody (Scramble Archive)

In March 2022 (https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/lightning-ii-for-canada), the Canadian government announced it had chosen the Lockheed-Martin F-35A Lightning II as it next fighter jet to replace the country?s ageing CF-18 Hornets.

Negotiations with Lockheed-Martin for a contract for 88 F-35A Lightning IIs started soon after. As already announced at the time, the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) has been seeking an early delivery of one squadron ahead of the delivery schedule of the main batch of jets.

An official announcement will likely be made in January 2023, but sources in Ottawa however state the first steps have been taken to order a batch of 16 aircraft. The total number of 88 aircraft will be ordered in various batches, enabling gradual delivery in the period 2026-2032.

The Canadian Press reported last week (half December 2022) that Canada will not send CF-18 Hornets to Romania next year to patrol NATO airspace for Russian incursions. This will be the first time that the Canadian fighters will be absent from the skies over Europe since 2017.

That decision was partly blamed on the need to upgrade the CF-18s to ensure they can continue to fight and defend themselves from adversaries until they can be replaced by the F-35A. To lessen the burden on the Hornet fleet, the country has taken over 18 operational F/A-18A/Bs from Australia, which are currently being included in the strength, after modification to Canadian standards.

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Photo by Andrew Cline

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/canada-orders-first-batch-of-lightning-iis-2
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 22/12/2022 | 09:17 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 22/12/2022 | 08:45 uur
Canada orders first batch of Lightning IIs

Wat een farce is dit toch ...  in 2015 met volle stelligheid en waardoor hij de verkiezingen won, zei Justin Trudeau ; ?We will not buy the F-35 fighter jet,? !!
en nu 7 jaar later .... ta da ... Canada koopt de F-35

Eigenlijk wist iedereen het wel dat ze wel zouden kopen, maar er is een Politiek punt van gemaakt en misbruikt. 
Maar dat is Politiek en gaat vaak ten koste van belastinggeld en Defensie
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/12/2022 | 09:35 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 22/12/2022 | 09:17 uur
Wat een farce is dit toch ...  in 2015 met volle stelligheid en waardoor hij de verkiezingen won, zei Justin Trudeau ; ?We will not buy the F-35 fighter jet,? !!
en nu 7 jaar later .... ta da ... Canada koopt de F-35

Eigenlijk wist iedereen het wel dat ze wel zouden kopen, maar er is een Politiek punt van gemaakt en misbruikt. 
Maar dat is Politiek en gaat vaak ten koste van belastinggeld en Defensie

Ondertussen moesten nog 25 Hornets van de RAAF worden overgenomen om hun eigen vloot vliegend te houden, terwijl zij zelf in het verleden een behoorlijk aantal niet van een MLU hebben voorzien.

Maar goed. Canada joins the F-35A club  8)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 22/12/2022 | 15:20 uur
Was Canada niet een level 2 partner van de JSF?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 22/12/2022 | 15:24 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 22/12/2022 | 15:20 uur
Was Canada niet een level 2 partner van de JSF?

Itali? en Nederland zijn level 2 partners. Canada is een level 3 partner.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: John117 op 25/12/2022 | 13:53 uur
Excellente video over de verschillende 6de generatie fighter programma's:

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 25/12/2022 | 23:17 uur
Vers van twitter geplukt, Turken showcasen de eerste afgebouwde prototype van TFx

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/12/2022 | 04:01 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 25/12/2022 | 23:17 uur
Vers van twitter geplukt, Turken showcasen de eerste afgebouwde prototype van TFx

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Zal vast op kunnen boxen tegen de globale miljarden industrie met van meer dan een eeuw ervaring hebbende Amerikaanse bedrijven als boeing en lockheed met hun globale afzet en daadwerkelijke ervaring in wijdverspreide toestellen met oorlogsvoering en gebruik/inzet van hun middelen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 26/12/2022 | 09:46 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 25/12/2022 | 23:17 uur
Vers van twitter geplukt, Turken showcasen de eerste afgebouwde prototype van TFx

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We weten allemaal hoeveel problemen men in India heeft gehad met de inheemse  HAL Tejas

Verder valt het mij op dat ze toch afhankelijk zijn van westerse motoren.

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/2022/03/14/rolls-royce-kale-to-develop-engine-for-turkish-fighter/

BAE Systems is bij het ontwerp betrokken en men heeft toestemming voor technologie overdracht aan de Turken.

https://www.reuters.com/article/britain-eu-turkey-bae-idUSL5N1FI079

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/open-general-export-licence-exports-in-support-of-turkish-aerospace-industries-tf-x-programme

Verder valt mij op dat men voor Air-to-air missiles shopt bij MBDA voor de MBDA Meteor  en men shopt bij MBDA  nog eens voor Air-to-surface missiles voor de MBDA SPEAR-3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAI_TF-X#cite_note-Bekdil-33

Dus hoezo onafhankelijk?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/12/2022 | 10:13 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 25/12/2022 | 23:17 uur
Vers van twitter geplukt, Turken showcasen de eerste afgebouwde prototype van TFx
Top super, succes ermee

Maar waarom die krikken nog onder het toestel ?
Is het een prototype of mockup ?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 26/12/2022 | 12:29 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 26/12/2022 | 04:01 uur
Zal vast op kunnen boxen tegen de globale miljarden industrie met van meer dan een eeuw ervaring hebbende Amerikaanse bedrijven als boeing en lockheed met hun globale afzet en daadwerkelijke ervaring in wijdverspreide toestellen met oorlogsvoering en gebruik/inzet van hun middelen.
Je klinkt hetzelfde als de Yanks, wij zijn groter, sterker, 'hebben' het meeste geld (en ook de grootste schulden), meeste ervaring, bla bla bla.

In de jaren 30 kwam Japan met de A6M Zero.  Werd in het Westen ook afgebrand en er werd zelfs verondersteld dat de Jappen over een gebrekkig evenwichtsorgaan zouden beschikken.  Dus de kist was niks en de vlieger die hem bediende ook niks.  De ervaringen leerden echter iets anders.

Dan Israel,  ze hebben veel oorlog gevoerd, maar hun staal op staal conflicten waren dan ook zeer kort.  Daarnaast enkele 'laag' intensieve maar langdurende conflicten.
Een land kleiner dan Belgie, maar toch een complete wapen industrie weten op te bouwen.  Kwamen eind jaren 80 met het Lavi jachtvliegtuig.  Amerikaanse vliegers hebben na de Golfoorlog van 1991 deze kist gevlogen.  En waren onder de indruk, de avionica kwam in de buurt van wat er in het F-22A Raptor zit.  "Hadden wij dit maar in onze jachtvliegtuigen tijdens de Golfoorlog.
Die Apartheid regime van Zuid-Afrika.  Ontwikkelden een houwitser welke superieur bleek tegenover het Sovjet en het Westerse spul.  Ondanks de vele sancties, slaagden zij er wel in om een uitstekende Rooivalk gevechtshelikopter te ontwikkelen.   Terwijl ze in Frankrijk en Duitsland het wiel opnieuw probeerden uit te vinden.  Met uiteindelijk een veel te licht en te klein faal apparaat.  Hee 'Tiger'.  De Puma transport heli bleek in het hete en stoffige Zuidelijk-Afrika een betrouwbaar werkpaard.  Dus werden vele onderdelen hiervan hergebruikt in de Rooivalk.  Maar die Puma heeft problemen in hot & high omstandigheden.  De Zuid-Afrikanen losten dat op door deze 30 % lichter te maken, door te bouwen in composieten.   Met als resultaat de Oryx, terwijl Europa wederom het wiel opnieuw ging uitvinden in het 'geweldige' NH90 project.

Een modern jachtvliegtuig helemaal zelf ontwikkelen is moeilijk tot zeer moeilijk.  De Britse industrie is daartoe nog in staat, hoewel vele van deze vaardigheden wel 'roest begonnen te vertonen'.  Het Tempest project werkte als een WD40, zodat het Global Combat Aircraft Programm (GCAP) hopelijk in 2035 in dienst kan treden.
Verschillende mensen van Turkse afkomst die lucht-, en ruimtevaart techniek aan de Technische Uni van Delft studeerden zochten geen emplooi in Nederland, maar in Turkije.  In Nederland hebben we een schreeuwend tekort aan ingenieurs.  Dus halen we ze uit China, de Filippijnen, Pakistan, India, Marokko, Brazilie of Colombia.  Want mij dan opvalt is dat hun kennis niveau vaak hoger ligt dan die van de Nederlandse academici.

Nederland en Australia lopen 6/7 jaar voor op de Amerikaanse radar technologie.  Terwijl de betreffende Australische radar fabrikant CEA Technologies slechts ca. 400 medewerkers telt en pas in 1983 werd opgericht.  En ook Thales Nederland is een dwerg vergeleken met bijvoorbeeld Raytheon en LockheedMartin.  ;)

Is er een sterke nationale wens of noodzaak, voldoende pecunia; een voldoende technologische kennis en capaciteit niveau.  Werken de gebruikers nauw samen met kennis-instituten en bedrijfsleven in een Gouden Driehoek.  En zo een Integrated Product Team driehoek is geen Nederlands unicum.  Dan moeten landen zoals Brazilie, Turkije, Zuid-Korea, Pakistan en Japan in staat kunnen zijn om een eigen jachtvliegtuig te kunnen ontwikkelen.  Met uitzondering van de straalmotoren, hoewel Japan hier al vele decennia mee bezig is.
Het draait niet meer om betere vlieg prestaties, maar nu om de sensoren en de on-board verwerking van die gegevens vloed.  Als Nederland en Australia ten opzichte van de VS superieure radars kunnen bouwen.  Dan moet dat een land als Turkije ook kunnen lukken.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 26/12/2022 | 13:53 uur
Eerlijk is eerlijk, heb geen idee hoe de Turkse fighter jet het zal doen tegenover westerse fighters, maar in drones doen ze het niet slecht.

Ik ben enkel onder de indruk waar Turkije zoal mee bezig is en dat is niet niks! Snap het ook niet hoe Turkije het met zo'n economie dit voorelkaar probeert te krijgen, maar de prototypes staan er.

Ze ontwikkelen bijvoorbeeld:
- een turboprop trainer
- een jet trainer
- een naar eigen zeggen "5th gen" stealth fighter
- een nieuwe gevechts helicopter
- een nieuwe multipurpose helicopter
- twee loyal wingman type drones


Zeg het maar, indrukwekkend of niet?

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Struijckje op 26/12/2022 | 16:33 uur
Citaat van: Poleme op 26/12/2022 | 12:29 uur
Je klinkt hetzelfde als de Yanks, wij zijn groter, sterker, 'hebben' het meeste geld (en ook de grootste schulden), meeste ervaring, bla bla bla.

Turkije heeft zojuist zn economie verkocht aan zn vijanden door uit wanhoop 10tallen miljarden te lenen van  o.a. Rusland en Saoedi Arabi?. Dit geeft genoemde landen enorme macht over de Turken. Die 'zelfvoorzienendheid' is dan ook een farce. De economische groei stagneert, inflatie giert de pan uit en het leger is vooralsnog enkel op papier indrukwekkend. Welk land doet jullie dat toch aan denken? *Kuch*Rusland*kuch*.

Bootjes met raketten, drones voor conflicten in laag tot medium-geweldspectrum. Alles met ge?mporteerde tech en motoren. Ik moet het nog zien allemaal. Vooralsnog zijn het vooral prestigespeeltjes van een imperialistische despoot.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/01/2023 | 17:55 uur
Guilherme Wiltgen@GuiWiltgen

Colombia reverses Rafale's acquisition and announces that the Gripen E has also been pre-selected. 
Current Colombia's Defence budget can buy 4 Rafale or 6 Gripen E.
Waiting for the next chapter...

https://twitter.com/GuiWiltgen/status/1609955861773836291
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 02/01/2023 | 18:08 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 02/01/2023 | 17:55 uur
Guilherme Wiltgen@GuiWiltgen

Colombia reverses Rafale's acquisition and announces that the Gripen E has also been pre-selected. 
Current Colombia's Defence budget can buy 4 Rafale or 6 Gripen E.
Waiting for the next chapter...

https://twitter.com/GuiWiltgen/status/1609955861773836291
Ik hoop dat het de Gripen E wordt
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: bergd op 03/01/2023 | 12:12 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 02/01/2023 | 18:08 uur
Ik hoop dat het de Gripen E wordt

Het wordt geen van beide
https://www.aviacionline.com/2023/01/no-rafale-no-gripen-colombian-air-force-fails-to-close-new-fighter-deal-and-kfir-fleet-wont-have-a-replacement/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 03/01/2023 | 12:29 uur
Was laatst in Colombia. Land kan het geld wel beter besteden denk ik. Wat een teringbende.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 06/01/2023 | 22:48 uur
F-15EX proves out full air-to-air capability

Published Jan. 4, 2023
By Samuel King Jr.

EGLIN AIR FORCE BASE, Fla. -- 
Flying locally over the Gulf of Mexico, two F-15EX Eagle II aircraft launched missiles from their new weapon stations, known as Stations 1 and 9, here Nov. 29.

The 96th Test Wing?s pilots fired an AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile from Station 1 and an AIM-9X from Station 9 over the Eglin Test and Training Complex?s water range.

This Operational Flight Program Combined Test Force mission was the first Air Force test flight to validate the weapons could be fired effectively and safely from those stations.  The successful employment of these weapons is a major step in demonstrating the Eagle II aircraft?s missile capacity of 12 air-to-air missiles.

?I?m really proud to be a part of this milestone for the F-15EX program to deliver increased payload capacity to the combat air forces,? said Maj. Jeremy Schnurbusch, 40th FLTS-attached pilot, who fired the AIM-9X missile.

This is one of many upgrades F-15EX brings to the Air Force inventory.  Prior to the F-15EX Eagle II, F-15 aircraft models could carry eight air-to-air missiles.  The F-15EX Eagle II adds four additional missile stations located toward the wing tips.  This mission provided the first test points for validating the expanded carriage and employment capabilities of the Eagle II.

Both aircraft successfully released the missiles on separate passes against a target drone.  The releases were another milestone in the F-15EX?s developmental test program, but also incorporated many operational test objectives during the mission.

?Having been a part of the Eglin F-15EX team from day one, it's exciting to see the progress made and new milestones achieved as we work to field the most combat-capable F-15EX,? said Maj. Brett Hughes, OFP CTF, who successfully fired the AIM-120 from Station 1.

With this success, these missile launches pushed forward the aircraft?s integrated developmental and operational testing here, where the F-15EX fired its first missile just nine months ago.

?The integrated test strategy has been critical to our test success, allowing us to break the mold of traditional testing, ultimately resulting in a better overall product for the warfighter in a shorter timeline than a traditional approach,? said Colton Myers, OFP CTF F‑15EX test project manager.

Once initial testing is complete, operational units receiving the new F-15EX will be able to carry and employ a full load-out of 12 missiles on the aircraft upon fielding.

?The F-15EX is an incredible addition to the USAF inventory.  This event, executed by a top-notch team of test pilots, engineers, and experts, proves yet again the F-15EX will be ready if, and when, our adversaries challenge our nation?s interests,? said Lt. Col. Christopher Wee, OFP CTF commander.

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https://www.eglin.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3257485/f-15ex-proves-out-full-air-to-air-capability/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/01/2023 | 21:22 uur
Canada rondt deal af voor Lockheed's F-35 gevechtsvliegtuigen in C$19 miljard project  *?13,2 miljard)

https://nl.marketscreener.com/beursnieuws/laatste/Canada-rondt-deal-af-voor-Lockheed-s-F-35-gevechtsvliegtuigen-in-C-19-miljard-project--42694262/?utm_campaign=economie++twitter_economie_2023-01-09_user-partage++&utm_content=+++2023-01-09+&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=user-partage
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/01/2023 | 21:47 uur
Dat dit onder Trudeau gebeurt  :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/01/2023 | 22:02 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/01/2023 | 21:47 uur
Dat dit onder Trudeau gebeurt  :angel:

De meesten hadden hier de voorspelling goed gedurende de jaren. Bedenk dat Canada level 3 partner is, en dan vonden wij ons vF-16 traject al oeverloos. (Behalve Ros)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 09/01/2023 | 22:02 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/01/2023 | 21:22 uur
Canada rondt deal af voor Lockheed's F-35 gevechtsvliegtuigen in C$19 miljard project  *?13,2 miljard)

https://nl.marketscreener.com/beursnieuws/laatste/Canada-rondt-deal-af-voor-Lockheed-s-F-35-gevechtsvliegtuigen-in-C-19-miljard-project--42694262/?utm_campaign=economie++twitter_economie_2023-01-09_user-partage++&utm_content=+++2023-01-09+&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=user-partage

88 stuks is geen verkeerd aantal maar in vergelijking met de huidige aantallen is het geen 1 op 1 vervanging van de gehele inventaris (72x CF-18A + 31x CF-18B). Gelukkig zijn het er wel meer dan de in 2010 aangekondigde 65 F-35A's als vervanging van de 80 operationele CF-18's. Wat mij betreft kan er nog wel een squadron bij met de huidige situatie in de wereld.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/01/2023 | 22:31 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/01/2023 | 22:02 uur
De meesten hadden hier de voorspelling goed gedurende de jaren. Bedenk dat Canada level 3 partner is, en dan vonden wij ons vF-16 traject al oeverloos. (Behalve Ros)

Als level 3 partner kon Canada niet anders, maar de keuze had al onder Harper kunnen worden gemaakt. Het is ironisch dat het nu onder een premier gebeurt die voor zijn verkiezing zo stellig anti F-35 was.

Citaat van: Parera op 09/01/2023 | 22:02 uur
88 stuks is geen verkeerd aantal maar in vergelijking met de huidige aantallen is het geen 1 op 1 vervanging van de gehele inventaris (72x CF-18A + 31x CF-18B). Gelukkig zijn het er wel meer dan de in 2010 aangekondigde 65 F-35A's als vervanging van de 80 operationele CF-18's. Wat mij betreft kan er nog wel een squadron bij met de huidige situatie in de wereld.

Het zou sowieso geen 1 op 1 vervanging worden. Qua operationele squadrons blijft het bij 425 TFS, 433 TFS (3 Wing, CFB Bagotville) en 401 TFS, 409 TFS (4 Wing, CFB Cold Lake). Wat er met het huidige 410 Tactical Fighter Operational Training Squadron (4 Wing, CFB Cold Lake) gaat gebeuren is mij onbekend.

https://www.canada.ca/en/air-force/corporate/wings-squadrons.html

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/news/2023/01/announcement-regarding-the-f-35-acquisition.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/01/2023 | 23:10 uur
F-35 Conducts First Flight with TR-3

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ARLINGTON, VA, UNITED STATES
01.11.2023
Story by F-35 Joint Program Office Public Affairs
F-35 Joint Program Office

A developmental test team from the 461st Flight Test Squadron conducted the first flight of an F-35 in the Technology Refresh 3 (TR-3) configuration on January 6, at Edwards Air Force Base, California.

Maj. Ryan ?BOLO? Luersen, a U.S. Air Force experimental test pilot, piloted the mission in tail number AF-7, a specially instrumented flight test aircraft and the first with TR-3 upgrades installed. He executed a functional check flight (FCF) profile to verify aircraft airworthiness and system stability. The 50-minute flight, which took the jet to 35,000 feet at speeds just shy of the speed of sound above the Mojave Desert, marked the start of an extensive flight test campaign. Developmental and operational test flights will continue through 2023 to ensure safety and prove warfighting capabilities.

?This is a significant achievement for the F-35 program, said Air Force Lt. Gen. Mike Schmidt, program executive officer, F-35 Joint Program Office. ?TR-3 is the F-35?s critical computer processing electronics upgrade that will continue to provide all our pilots with the capability they need to be successful against any adversary. There is still a lot of work to do and I am confident that our industry partners and government team will get the job done.?

TR-3 provides the computational horsepower to support modernized Block 4 capabilities for the F-35 including: new sensor suites, more long-range precision weapons, improved electronic warfare features, more powerful data fusion, and increased cross-platform interoperability. These capabilities provide the warfighter a combat-edge to identify, track, engage, and survive against advanced air, ground, and cyber threats. TR-3 significantly updates core processing power and memory capacity, which will allow the F-35 to run advanced software packed with state-of-the-art warfighting capabilities.

"The F-35 Integrated Test Force at Edwards AFB is proud to have executed yet another first-flight within the F-35 program,? said Air Force Lt. Col. Christopher Campbell, commander of the 461st Flight Test Squadron and director of the F-35 Integrated Test Force. ?Technology Refresh 3 modernizes the computational core of the F-35 air vehicle. Therefore, new TR-3 hardware and software affect nearly every aircraft feature. Today's event was just the start of a comprehensive flight test campaign that will both verify and improve the safety, stability, and performance of the whole F-35 weapon system in this new configuration."

?Today?s first flight is an important step in enabling future capabilities to ensure F-35 remains unrivaled across the globe. We look forward to continued collaboration with the JPO and industry partners to deliver TR-3,? said Bridget Lauderdale, Lockheed Martin vice president and general manager, F-35 Program. ?Our mission is to provide our U.S. service members and allies with an aircraft that will guarantee 21st Century security so they can deter and defeat threats and come home safely.?

The TR-3 program has overcome technical complexity challenges with hardware and software, and is now on-track to deliver capability to the U.S. and its allies starting in 2023. The government and industry team continue to find innovative ways to ensure delivery of critical capabilities to defeat future threats. Lessons learned in the execution of the TR-3 program will be applied across the entire Block 4 modernization program.

The F-35 is the premier multi-mission, fifth-generation weapon system. Its ability to collect, analyze, and share data is a force multiplier that enhances all assets in the battle space: with stealth technology, advanced sensors, weapons capacity, and range. The F-35, which has been operational since July 2015, is the most lethal, survivable, and interoperable fighter aircraft ever built. The F-35 will serve as the backbone of the U.S. fighter fleet as well as 16 other nations for decades to come.

https://www.dvidshub.net/news/436507/f-35-conducts-first-flight-with-tr-3
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/01/2023 | 08:24 uur
Northrop Grumman Developing the Next Generation Radar for the F-35 Lightning II

BALTIMORE ? Jan. 11, 2023 ? Northrop Grumman Corporation (NYSE: NOC) is developing AN/APG-85, an advanced Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar for the F-35 Lightning II. Northrop Grumman currently manufactures the AN/APG-81 active electronically scanned array (AESA) fire control radar, the cornerstone to the F-35 Lightning II's sensor suite.

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Northrop Grumman is developing the next generation radar for the F-35 Lightning II. Credit: Northrop Grumman

The AN/APG-85 is an advanced multifunction sensor that will be compatible with all variants of the F-35 aircraft and will be capable of defeating current and projected adversarial air and surface threats.

The development and integration of APG-85 will incorporate some of the latest technologies available and help ensure air superiority. This advanced sensor will provide unparalleled battlespace situational awareness that translates into platform lethality, effectiveness and survivability.

Northrop Grumman plays a key role in the development, modernization, sustainment and production of the F-35. In addition to producing the AN/APG-85 and AN/APG-81 radars, the company manufactures the center fuselage and wing skins for the aircraft, produces and maintains several sensor systems, avionics, mission systems and mission-planning software, pilot and maintainer training systems courseware, electronic warfare simulation test capability, and low-observable technologies.

To learn more about Northrop Grumman?s role on the F-35 Lightning II, visit this website (https://www.northropgrumman.com/what-we-do/air/f35-lightning/).

Northrop Grumman is a technology company, focused on global security and human discovery. Our pioneering solutions equip our customers with capabilities they need to connect, advance and protect the U.S. and its allies. Driven by a shared purpose to solve our customers? toughest problems, our 90,000 employees define possible every day.

https://news.northropgrumman.com/news/releases/northrop-grumman-developing-the-next-generation-radar-for-the-f-35-lightning-ii
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 24/01/2023 | 08:24 uur
Israel willing to purchase 25 F-15EX Eagle II fighter jets to boost striking capability against Iran

According to Dario Leone in theaviationgeekclub.com, Israel has sent a formal request to the US to purchase 25 F-15IA (F-15EX) Eagle II fighter jets to boost its capabilities to strike Iran.

An official Letter of Request (LOR) was sent by the Israeli Defense Ministry to the US, Breaking Defense said citing industry sources. The LOR is the first step in the process that will now see Israel and the US negotiate over the exact number of jets and the price of the Boeing-manufactured warplanes, Dario Leone writes. The Defense Ministry and the US Embassy in Jerusalem both declined to comment on the report.

As already reported by Dario Leone, Israel wanted to bolster both its fleet of F-35 stealth fighters and its F-15 fleet since 2019, but due to recent political instability, only the F-35 decision was carried out. Now, following the election of the new government last month, the decision was taken to move ahead with the F-15IA deal. The Israeli Air Force is now looking to add to and upgrade its existing fleet of F-15I Ra?am attack aircraft (which would then be designated F-15I+), which can carry the kind of heavy weapons Israel would need to penetrate Iran?s nuclear sites, most of which are buried deep underground.

The sources told Breaking Defense that the earliest Israel would likely receive the new jets would be in 2028, but that Israel would push for faster delivery. It also said Israel could opt to double the initial order of 25 aircraft. The report added that Israel?s decision was made more urgent by the burgeoning defense ties between Iran and Russia and fears that Moscow could supply Iran with the advanced S-400 anti-aircraft defense system (as well as the Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jet).

Though they have been upgraded and refurbished in the interim decades, many of Israel?s F-15 fighter jets ? known in Hebrew as the ?Baz,? or ?Falcon? ? were first constructed and delivered in the 1970s, The Times of Israel reports. The F-15EX is the latest iteration of the combat-proven F-15. The Eagle II carries more weapons than any other fighter in its class, and can launch hypersonic weapons up to 22 feet long and weighing up to 7,000 pounds. The F-15EX features the Eagle Passive/Active Warning and Survivability System electronic warfare system to improve mission effectiveness and survivability for operators.

https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2023-news-aviation-aerospace/january/8874-israel-willing-to-purchase-25-f-15ex-eagle-ii-fighter-jets-to-boost-striking-capability-against-iran.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/01/2023 | 10:06 uur
Japan, Sweden sign deal for possible GCAP co-operation

Japan and Sweden have signed an agreement that could enable the Scandinavian country to play a role in the new Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP).

The two countries signed the ?Agreement on the Transfer of Defense Equipment and Technology' in late December 2022, about two weeks after GCAP partners ? Italy, Japan, and the United Kingdom ? announced the joint fighter aircraft programme on 9 December.

The Japanese Ministry of Defense (MoD) told Janes that the agreement provides a formal framework for deeper bilateral defence-technology engagement. The MoD said the accord will initially facilitate talks between Japan and Sweden to identify areas of collaboration, including ? potentially ? GCAP.

?The details of defence equipment and technology co-operation with Sweden, including the next-generation fighter development, will be determined through the exchange of views between [the countries] in the future,? said a Japanese MoD spokesperson. ?Therefore, at this point, it is premature to mention what areas it is possible to co-operate in.?

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/defence/latest/japan-sweden-sign-deal-for-possible-gcap-co-operation
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/01/2023 | 10:42 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 26/01/2023 | 10:06 uur
Japan, Sweden sign deal for possible GCAP co-operation


Mijn oude voorspelling dat: dat de Saab Gripen E/F het laatste 'autonome' Zweedse gevechtsvliegtuig is komt langzaam maar zeker dichterbij.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/01/2023 | 11:36 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/01/2023 | 10:42 uur
Mijn oude voorspelling dat: dat de Saab Gripen E/F het laatste 'autonome' Zweedse gevechtsvliegtuig is komt langzaam maar zeker dichterbij.

Ben ook benieuwd wat de Zweedse luchtmacht als Gripen vervanger wil. De meeste types die zij sinds 1945 hebben gebruikt zijn compact qua grootte.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 26/01/2023 | 11:44 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 26/01/2023 | 11:36 uur
Ben ook benieuwd wat de Zweedse luchtmacht als Gripen vervanger wil. De meeste types die zij sinds 1945 hebben gebruikt zijn compact qua grootte.

De Viggen had een stevig formaat.

Voor Zweden gok ik op Tempest en Loyal Wingman achtige systemen. Het zelfstandig ontwikkelen van een Gripen opvolger wordt voor Zweden vermoedelijk te kostbaar.

Zie wat Saab wilde als Gripen C/D opvolger (FS2020) en waartoe de Zweedse overheid bereid was om in te participeren. (ander tijd, maar toch het ontwikkelen van een nieuw concept kost tientallen miljarden)

Daarnaast: Saab heeft tot op heden van haar Gripen E/F geen verkoopsucces weten te maken (al zijn er nog wel een paar kansen in de wereld).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/02/2023 | 15:32 uur
https://twitter.com/i/status/1624440626145120256

low level flying !!  :omg:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/02/2023 | 21:56 uur
https://breakingdefense.com/2023/02/navy-super-hornet-fleet-aging-faster-less-available-than-predecessor-fleet-cbo/

The Navy?s new tactical strike fighter fleet is failing to outperform its predecessors, both in terms of overall flight availability rates and how quickly age is taking a toll on the upgraded planes.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/02/2023 | 22:32 uur
Citaat van: Breaking Defense op 13/02/2023 | 21:56 uur
https://breakingdefense.com/2023/02/navy-super-hornet-fleet-aging-faster-less-available-than-predecessor-fleet-cbo/

The Navy?s new tactical strike fighter fleet is failing to outperform its predecessors, both in terms of overall flight availability rates and how quickly age is taking a toll on the upgraded planes.

Via USNI is hier de link naar het rapport.

Download the document here (https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23606277/58687-super-hornet.pdf).

https://news.usni.org/2023/02/10/cbo-report-on-super-hornet-availability
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/02/2023 | 22:23 uur
First flight KF-21 two-seater

PUBLISHED: 20 FEBRUARY 2023   LAST UPDATED: 20 FEBRUARY 2023

(https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/2023/february/South_Korea_KAI_KF-21_004_still_youtube.PNG)
Photo: still from MBC News video

Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI) KF-21 Boramae (Hawk) number 004 is the first two-seat version of the 4.5-generation jet to fly.

The two-seater performed its first 34-minutes maiden flight from Sacheon on 20 February 2022. The KF-21 is formerly known as the Korean Fighter eXperimental (KF-X) and the platform could be used for further development and conversion into a 5th-generation one with improved stealth technologies.

So far four of the KF-21 versions have started flight tests, some 110 flights were carried out, the fifth (single seat) and sixth (two-seat) prototypes are scheduled to have their maiden flight also in the first half of 2023.

The dual-seat KF-21, beside training, will be developed into an electronic warfare aircraft and it is envisioned that Unmanned Aerial Vehicles will be controlled from the rear-seat for battlefield drone missions.

Full scale manufacturing is scheduled to begin in 2026. South Korea expects to deploy 40 jets by 2028 and 120 by 2032.

With the Dae Han Min Guk Gong Gun (RoKAF, Republic of Korea Air Force), the new fighter will replace the ageing fleet of F-4E Phantom II and F-5E/F Tiger II aircraft. It is not known yet how many two-seat KF-21 Boramae (of the 160 aircraft) the RoKAF intends to order.

MBC News published a video of the first flight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6RSzcQC0XY).

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/first-flight-kf-21-two-seater
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 21/02/2023 | 22:41 uur
Die KF-21 kan nog wel een export (succesje) toestel worden voor veel landen die geen F-35 kunnen aanschaffen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 21/02/2023 | 22:56 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 21/02/2023 | 22:41 uur
Die KF-21 kan nog wel een export (succesje) toestel worden voor veel landen die geen F-35 kunnen aanschaffen.

Helemaal eens.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/02/2023 | 13:46 uur
Boeing To End F/A-18 Super Hornet Production In Two Years

Boeing says a potential foreign contract could prolong Super Hornet production for two years, but the writing is on the wall for the line.

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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/boeing-to-end-f-a-18-super-hornet-production-in-two-years

Edit. Het bericht van Boeing zelf.

Boeing Sets F/A-18 Production Completion Date as Defense Business Pivots to Future Work

- Defense, Space & Security plans St. Louis workforce growth supporting new and next-generation military aircraft programs and services
- F/A-18 Service Life Modification will continue through the mid-2030s; advanced capabilities development and upgrades for global fleet continuing for decades

(https://boeing.mediaroom.com/image/F-18_med_res.jpg)
Feb 22, 2023
A Boeing-built F/A-18 Super Hornet takes off from Lambert International Airport in St. Louis. Boeing will continue to deliver new Block III Super Hornets to the Navy through 2025. (Boeing photo)

ST. LOUIS, Feb. 23, 2023 ? Boeing [NYSE: BA] expects to complete new-build production of the F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter aircraft in late 2025 following delivery of the final U.S. Navy fighters. Production could be extended to 2027 if the Super Hornet is selected by an international customer.

To meet demand for defense products and services, Boeing plans to continue hiring year-over-year for the next five at its St. Louis site. More than 900 people were hired in the region last year.

?We are planning for our future, and building fighter aircraft is in our DNA,? said Steve Nordlund, Boeing Air Dominance vice president and St. Louis site leader. ?As we invest in and develop the next era of capability, we are applying the same innovation and expertise that made the F/A-18 a workhorse for the U.S. Navy and air forces around the world for nearly 40 years.?

The F/A-18 production decision allows Boeing to:
Since the F/A-18 debuted in 1983, Boeing has delivered more than 2,000 Hornets, Super Hornets and EA-18G Growlers to customers around the world including the U.S. Navy, Australia, Canada, Finland, Kuwait, Malaysia, Spain and Switzerland.

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/news-releases-statements?item=131215#assets_20295_131215-117
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 01/03/2023 | 17:08 uur
Poland Looks Closer At Korea's Latest KF-21 Fighter

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/poland_looks_closer_at_koreas_latest_kf_21_fighter-5903.html

(https://en.defence-ua.com/media/illustration/articles/7fa63fe5d9e4cf65.jpg)

The situation when Poland starts a licensed KF-21 assembly doesn?t look like a fantastic scenario at all, but an absolutely pragmatic strategy
The defense rapprochement between Korea and Poland may extend to the latest KF-21 Boramae stealth fighter (formerly known as the KF-X), which is currently conducting test flights and has become one of Korea?s longest-running national projects.

Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa is already considering the possibility of cooperation with Korea Aerospace Industries as a further and completely logical step, as Defense24 reports, referring to the official response of the Polish conglomerate, since Warsaw has already agreed on the localization of the FA-50PL light fighter production and can further deepen cooperation.

But it is noted that the final decision depends on the position of the Ministry of Defense of Poland, which must decide whether to integrate the KF-21 into the air force. In case of a positive decision, partial localized production of this vehicle can be deployed at Polish enterprises.

Defense Express reports that so far Warsaw expects three types of aircraft to form its air force: the F-35A, F-16, and FA-50PL. In this triad, the main strike and command role will be assumed by fifth-generation fighters, the main volume of work will obviously be assigned to the F-16. And the FA-50PL is assigned the role of a training vehicle, as well as a patrol aircraft in peacetime, and in the event of hostilities it will be a second-echelon vehicle.

In theory, the KF-21 Boramae may in the future take its place alongside the F-16. In any case, we are not talking about the short-term perspective, as the start of the KF-21 serial production is planned only for 2026, and its first flight took place only on July 19, 2022.

But it is also important for KAI to expand its export opportunities, since only the active export of the KF-21 will be able to justify the truly astronomical costs of this project, estimated at more than 12 billion dollars, where Indonesia had a limited participation.

That is why the situation when Poland starts licensed assembly of the KF-21 does not look like a fantastic scenario, but a completely pragmatic strategy.

(Gisteren besproken in het topic van Internationale IFV ontwikkelingen, dat de Poolse luchtmacht relatief klein is, deze optie geeft hier een mogelijke invulling aan)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 03/03/2023 | 13:24 uur
Singapore bevestigt de keuze voor de F-35B
03/03/2023 | GABRI?L MOLINELLI

In de defensiebegroting voor 2023 bevestigt de Republiek Singapore de selectie van de F-35B als vervanging voor haar F-16's en kondigt een nieuwe bestelling aan voor 8 exemplaren, die tegen 2030 moeten worden geleverd. Deze komen bovenop de 4 vliegtuigen die in 2019 en gepland voor levering in 2026, in ieder geval in eerste instantie bedoeld om in de Verenigde Staten te worden gestationeerd voor personeelstraining.

De Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) heeft de afgelopen jaren de capaciteiten van de F-35 onderzocht en de logistieke en infrastructurele aspecten nauwkeurig bestudeerd door deel te nemen aan oefeningen, de fabrieken te bezoeken waar het vliegtuig wordt gebouwd en overleg te plegen met de geallieerde luchtmachten. die ze in dienst hebben. Een klein toegewijd team, geleid door majoor Zhang Jian Wei, voerde dit langdurige onderzoek uit, waarvan de resultaten werden gepresenteerd aan het ministerie van Defensie en goedgekeurd door minister Ng Eng Hen.

Singapore volgt de voortgang van de F-35 echter al veel langer en heeft al in 2003, in de embryonale fase van het project, de status van deelnemer aan de veiligheidssamenwerking aangevraagd en verkregen.

Het volledige artikel wordt gepubliceerd in het vierde nummer van RID  Risk&Strategy WEEKLY  (23/04) dat vanaf vrijdag 3 maart gratis verkrijgbaar is.

https://www.rid.it/shownews/5540
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/03/2023 | 09:23 uur
Next gen numbers: Air Force plans first ?nominal? buy of 200 NGAD fighters, 1,000 drone wingmen

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/03/air-force-plans-nominal-buy-of-200-ngad-fighters-1000-drone-wingmen-kendall-says/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/03/2023 | 10:05 uur
Wisconsin's Badger Air Militia welcomes the F-35A Lightning II

Published: 07 March 2023    Last Updated: 07 March 2023

The 115th Fighter Wing?s transition from the F-16C/D to the F-35A Lightning II has started. Shawn Semzock photographed F-35A serial 18-5413/WI at Luke AFB (AZ) on 2 March 2023.

(https://scramble.nl/images/news/2023/march/US_WI_ANG_F-35A_credit_Shawn_Semzock.jpg)
Photo by Shawn Semzock

In October 2022, Scramble Magazine reported (https://scramble.nl/military-news/wisconsin-s-badger-air-militia-bids-farewell-to-the-fighting-falcon) on the last 115th Fighter Wing?s WI coded F-16 Fighting Falcon departing Truax Air National Guard Base (WI) and the expected arrival of the first F-35A during the spring of 2023. The 115th FW Badger Air Militia controls two units, the 176th Fighter Squadron Badgers and associated active duty 378th Fighter Squadron.

On 15 April 2020, the Department of the Air Force selected Truax Field - near Madison - (WI) and Dannelly Field - near Montgomery - (AL) as the next two Air National Guard F-35A locations, both units have associated active duty squadrons. The first Air National Guard unit that transitioned to the F-35A was the 134th Fighter Squadron (VT ANG) Green Mountain Boys, part of the 158th FW, at Burlington International (VT). Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth (TX) has been selected to host the first F-35As for the Air Force Reserves.

https://scramble.nl/military-news/wisconsin-s-badger-air-militia-welcomes-the-f-35a-lightning-ii
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/03/2023 | 08:58 uur
The Italian Air Force Wants The Next-Gen Fighter And The Original F-35 Quota To Be Restored (terug naar de originele F-35 hoeveelheid van 131 stuks?)

https://theaviationist.com/2023/03/09/the-italian-air-force-wants-the-next-gen-fighter-and-the-original-f-35-quota-to-be-restored/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/03/2023 | 12:28 uur
New Electronic Warfare Suite Top Feature Of F-35 Block 4, Air Combat Boss Says

The F-35?s Block 4 upgrade has many features, but Air Combat Command?s commander says its electronic warfare abilities will be most critical.

When asked what the F-35?s massive upgrade initiative known as Block 4 will bring to the table, Air Combat Command boss Gen. Mark Kelly made it crystal clear that the new electronic warfare capabilities it will acquire under the effort tops his list. The stealth jet?s future relevancy in high-end conflicts may even depend on it.

These upgrades will greatly enhance what is already regarded as a powerhouse of an electronic warfare suite aboard the F-35s flying today. They will better equip the jet for future fights where dominating the battle on the electromagnetic spectrum is expected to be an absolutely critical factor in determining winners and losers on the battlefield.

It was during a media roundtable at this year?s Air & Space Forces Association Warfare Symposium in Aurora, Colorado, when Gen. Mark Kelly emphasized to reporters in attendance, including The War Zone, just how important the new electronic warfare (EW) upgrades will be for Block 4 F-35s going forward. Being led by F-35 manufacturer Lockheed Martin, Block 4 is the overarching modernization effort for all three F-35 A/B/C variants that will be implemented in the coming years.

.../....

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/new-electronic-warfare-suite-top-feature-of-f-35-block-4-air-combat-boss-says
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 12/03/2023 | 23:03 uur
Eerste Rafale F4 voor Franse luchtmacht

7 maart 2023

MONT-DE-MARSAN ? De Franse strijdkrachten hebben de eerste gemoderniseerde Dassault Rafale in ontvangst genomen. Het toestel is van de F3R-standaard overgezet naar de F4-versie, wat uiteindelijk met alle Franse Rafale-gevechtsvliegtuigen zal gebeuren. Luchtmachtvliegers gaan de eerste F4-varianten de komende tijd testen.

(https://www.pilootenvliegtuig.nl/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Dassault-Rafale-F4.1-1024x683.jpg)

Als de proefperiode succesvol wordt afgerond, zal de Rafale F4 operationeel worden ingezet. Vliegtuigbouwer Dassault is verantwoordelijk voor de upgrades. Het bedrijf levert bovendien de laatste lichting Rafales nieuw af volgens de F4-standaard. In totaal bestelde Frankrijk 180 toestellen bij Dassault in varianten voor de luchtmacht en de marine.

De F4-versie bestaat uit twee fases (F4.1 en F4.2) en biedt de vliegers een verbeterd helmvizier, radar, bewapening en bescherming.  Het nu opgeleverde toestel is gemoderniseerd volgens de eerste fase.

https://www.pilootenvliegtuig.nl/2023/03/07/eerste-rafale-f4-voor-franse-luchtmacht/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 14/03/2023 | 08:59 uur
Navy?s Secretive F/A-XX Combat Jet Gets Big Funding In New Budget

We break down the highlights from the Navy?s new aviation budget, including the first declassified request for F/A-XX worth $1.5B.

Among the aviation-related developments in the U.S. Navy's proposed budget for the 2024 Fiscal Year is a request for almost $1.53 billion in support of the development of a Next-Generation Fighter aircraft, or F/A-XX. This appears to be the first time the service has provided a hard unclassified dollar figure for any of its investments in this effort, which is understood to be seeking a stealthy sixth-generation crewed combat jet.

.../...

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/navys-secretive-f-a-xx-combat-jet-gets-big-funding-in-new-budget
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 14/03/2023 | 12:32 uur
Pentagon rethinks F-35 engine program, will upgrade F135

The Pentagon is abandoning its efforts to develop a next-generation adaptive engine for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, according to Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall.

Instead, Kendall said during a March 10 briefing on the fiscal 2024 budget, the military will stick with, and upgrade, the F-35?s current engine, in a major win for F135 maker Pratt & Whitney.

The decision means the military will not move forward with its Adaptive Engine Transition Program, an effort to fund research, development, prototyping and testing of a new kind of engine with enhanced thrust, power and cooling ability, The adaptive engine uses three streams of air to cool the engine and the jet, and has an adaptive cycle that allows it to adjust to the configuration that provides the most thrust and efficiency for a given situation.

Both General Electric Aviation and Pratt & Whitney had designed new engines as part of AETP, but only GE had pitched its engine ? the XA100 ? as a replacement for the F-35.

Military officials said Friday they determined Pratt & Whitney?s proposal to modernize the already existing F135s in a program called the Engine Core Upgrade was the most cost-efficient option that would work for all F-35s.

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https://www.defensenews.com/air/2023/03/13/pentagon-rethinks-f-35-engine-program-will-upgrade-f135/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 17/03/2023 | 08:23 uur
TAI begint met TFx taxi testen

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrZvgJrWIAQFK64?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrZvgpeWIAEyFj9?format=jpg&name=large)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 18/03/2023 | 18:02 uur
Sodeju, TFx is niet het enige wat de Turken showen.

De Turken gaan in 2023 hun stempel zetten  :omg:

TFx fighter
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrhBB6tXsAU7TfW?format=jpg&name=large)

Hurjet trainer
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrhBBWIXoAgiHMw?format=jpg&name=large)

Baykar Kizilelma UCAV
(https://www.thedefensepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Fj8vH9cX0AAFatC-e1671109181854.jpg)

ANKA-3 bomber drone
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrhBAqjWcAEyeju?format=jpg&name=large)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 19/03/2023 | 12:13 uur
Citaat van: Jooop op 18/03/2023 | 18:02 uur
Sodeju, TFx is niet het enige wat de Turken showen.

De Turken gaan in 2023 hun stempel zetten  :omg:

TFx fighter
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrhBB6tXsAU7TfW?format=jpg&name=large)

Hurjet trainer
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrhBBWIXoAgiHMw?format=jpg&name=large)

Baykar Kizilelma UCAV
(https://www.thedefensepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Fj8vH9cX0AAFatC-e1671109181854.jpg)

ANKA-3 bomber drone
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrhBAqjWcAEyeju?format=jpg&name=large)

Papier mach?. Allemaal niet zo spannend jooop. Hoe gaat het met de turkse maanbasis?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Jooop op 19/03/2023 | 14:07 uur
Onderschatten is een kunst, maar de "toy" drones van de Turken hebben toch een behoorlijk succes geboekt, wij hopen nog steeds de reapers te bewapenen. Schandalig hoe ver we weer achter lopen. Wij horen voor op Turkije te zijn, wat ik inmiddels betwijfel. Gelukkig hebben we in ieder geval de F35 en een paar lease tanks.

Sarcasme terzijde vlak voor WO II hadden de Duitsers ook hun wens om hun "reich" weder op te bouwen, ben ik de enige die gelijkenissen ziet?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 22/03/2023 | 11:22 uur
Sweden joining UK-Japan-Italy fighter effort seen as unlikely by industry partners

According to Andrew Howard, Leonardo UK?s Director for Future combat Air/GCAP UK, Sweden is ?not seen as an integral part of the partnership at this time.?

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https://breakingdefense.com/2023/03/sweden-joining-uk-japan-italy-fighter-effort-seen-as-unlikely-by-industry-partners/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 24/03/2023 | 08:38 uur
De luchtmachten van Denemarken, Finland, Noorwegen & Zweden gaan alle 250 gevechtsvliegtuigen samen inzetten als 1 luchtmacht.


De luchtgeneraals in de Scandinavische landen zijn het daarmee eens. 250 gevechtsvliegtuigen zullen worden ingezet als ??n gezamenlijke luchtmacht
De leiders van de luchtmacht in de vier grote Scandinavische landen hebben een overeenkomst getekend. Het is de bedoeling om als ??n gezamenlijke luchtmacht te kunnen optreden. Het omvat gezamenlijke training, met een gezamenlijk ondersteuningsapparaat, logistiek en planning.

Met een gecombineerde strijdmacht zullen de vier landen uiteindelijk zo'n 250 moderne gevechtsvliegtuigen hebben. Het staat ongeveer op gelijke voet met Europese grootmachten als Frankrijk en Groot-Brittanni?.

https://www.aftenposten.no/norge/i/BWzxA7/luft-generalene-i-norden-enige-250-kampfly-skal-drives-som-en-felles-luftstyrke
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/03/2023 | 08:44 uur
Citaat van: Aftenposten op 24/03/2023 | 08:38 uur
De luchtmachten van Denemarken, Finland, Noorwegen & Zweden gaan alle 250 gevechtsvliegtuigen samen inzetten als 1 luchtmacht.


De luchtgeneraals in de Scandinavische landen zijn het daarmee eens. 250 gevechtsvliegtuigen zullen worden ingezet als ??n gezamenlijke luchtmacht
De leiders van de luchtmacht in de vier grote Scandinavische landen hebben een overeenkomst getekend. Het is de bedoeling om als ??n gezamenlijke luchtmacht te kunnen optreden. Het omvat gezamenlijke training, met een gezamenlijk ondersteuningsapparaat, logistiek en planning.

.../...

https://www.aftenposten.no/norge/i/BWzxA7/luft-generalene-i-norden-enige-250-kampfly-skal-drives-som-en-felles-luftstyrke

Dat is straks niet zo moeilijk, waarbij 3/4 de F-35A heeft en als het goed gaat alle vier de landen NAVO lid zijn.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 24/03/2023 | 08:58 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 24/03/2023 | 08:44 uur
Dat is straks niet zo moeilijk, waarbij 3/4 de F-35A heeft en als het goed gaat alle vier de landen NAVO lid zijn.

Nee maar het geeft ze daar in het Noorden wel een gevechtskracht van 250 kisten (op papier), dit zou binnen onze regio niet haalbaar zijn voornamelijk door de arrogante Franse en moeilijke Duitsers maar misschien is het wel nodig. Een eenheid van BE/DE/NL zou met enkel F-35's uitkomen op 113 toestellen, met de overige Duitse kisten erbij op 292 toestellen.

Misschien is het helemaal niet zo gek om vanuit NATO verschillende commands te maken binnen Europa:
- Scandinavie (DEN/FIN/NOR/SWE)
- West Europa (BEL/DEU/NLD)
- Frankrijk
- Verenigd Koninkrijk
- Zuid West Europa (SPA / POR/ ITA)

om maar even een kleine opstelling te maken.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/03/2023 | 09:33 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 24/03/2023 | 08:58 uur
Nee maar het geeft ze daar in het Noorden wel een gevechtskracht van 250 kisten (op papier), dit zou binnen onze regio niet haalbaar zijn voornamelijk door de arrogante Franse en moeilijke Duitsers maar misschien is het wel nodig. Een eenheid van BE/DE/NL zou met enkel F-35's uitkomen op 113 toestellen, met de overige Duitse kisten erbij op 292 toestellen.

Misschien is het helemaal niet zo gek om vanuit NATO verschillende commands te maken binnen Europa:
- Scandinavie (DEN/FIN/NOR/SWE)
- West Europa (BEL/DEU/NLD)
- Frankrijk
- Verenigd Koninkrijk
- Zuid West Europa (SPA / POR/ ITA)

om maar even een kleine opstelling te maken.

Is dit niet eigenlijk niet een soort van terugkeer naar de oude opstelling met Second Allied Tactical Air Force (2 ATAF) en Fourth Allied Tactical Air Force (4 ATAF)?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 25/03/2023 | 11:49 uur
Adapter For F-35 Internal Carriage Of Six AIM-120 Missiles Is Progressing
Known as Sidekick, the upgrade will give F-35As and Cs the ability to go from four to six AIM-120 missiles in their internal bays.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/adapter-for-f-35-internal-carriage-of-six-aim-120-missiles-is-progressing
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 27/03/2023 | 09:58 uur
Citaat van: The Drive op 25/03/2023 | 11:49 uur
Adapter For F-35 Internal Carriage Of Six AIM-120 Missiles Is Progressing
Known as Sidekick, the upgrade will give F-35As and Cs the ability to go from four to six AIM-120 missiles in their internal bays.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/adapter-for-f-35-internal-carriage-of-six-aim-120-missiles-is-progressing

Goed dat Lockheed Martin hiermee bezig blijft. Vergroot de interne AAM capaciteit toch met 150%.

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The current AIM-120 internal carriage configuration on the F-35. (UK MOD)


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 31/03/2023 | 09:24 uur
F-35 Engine Running Too Hot Due To ?Under-Speccing,? Upgrade Now Vital

The F-35?s engine is having to work harder to cool and power the aircraft?s systems, leading to a logistical mess.

he U.S. military sees planned engine upgrades for all the variants of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter as critical because the Pratt & Whitney F135 engines that power all of the aircraft have been "under spec since the beginning," according to the top officer in charge of the program. This means the engines have to routinely operate at higher-than-expected temperatures, which has led to costly increased maintenance and logistics requirements and hurt the F-35's overall readiness rates.

Senior U.S. military officials stressed the F135 engine's limitations while defending a plan to pursue an Engine Core Upgrade (ECU) effort before members of a subcommittee of the House Armed Services Committee yesterday.

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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/f-35-engine-running-too-hot-due-to-under-speccing-upgrade-now-vital
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/04/2023 | 12:27 uur
NATO Air Exercise Will Offer Germany ?High Value? Lessons on F-35 Operations, Luftwaffe Boss Says

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/nato-air-exercise-germany-f-35-operations-luftwaffe/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/04/2023 | 08:00 uur
Brazil may buy more Swedish Gripen fighter jets, says minister

RIO DE JANEIRO, April 11 (Reuters) - Brazil is analyzing the option of expanding an order for Swedish manufacturer Saab's (SAABb.ST) Gripen fighter jets, though the number of additional aircraft which could be bought has yet to be determined, Defense Minister Jose Mucio told Reuters Tuesday.

"The Brazilian Air Force said it has need (for more Gripen fighters). We are looking at this and studying it," Mucio said during the Laad defense industry trade show in Rio de Janeiro.

"Just this week we spoke with the ambassador of Sweden about this and it is a conversation that is just beginning," he added.

In 2014, Brazil signed a deal to purchase 36 Gripen fighter jets for its Air Force with the goal of modernizing its fleet.

The agreement also allows Gripens to be produced in the country in the future.

The first aircraft have already been delivered to Brazil and the remainder are expected to be delivered by 2027.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/brazil-may-buy-more-swedish-gripen-fighter-jets-says-minister-2023-04-11/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 12/04/2023 | 11:04 uur
Romania announces it?ll buy F-35s, in the shadow of Russian ?aggression?

Romania says it will purchase F-35 Joint Strike Fighters in a bid to boost the country?s air security capabilities and deter ?aggression,? according to a statement posted to the website of president Klaus Iohannis.

Romanian officials have expressed growing interest in procuring the fighter in recent months as Russia?s war against Ukraine drags on. The decision, which did not specify how many jets Bucharest wants, was made after Iohannis met with the nation?s supreme defense council, that statement said.

?Having robust, credible, interoperable, flexible and efficient air defense operational capabilities ? as part of our commitments as a NATO and EU state is key to Romania meeting its defense policy objectives,? the statement said, according to a Reuters translation. ?The air force?s modernization process will continue through the acquisition of last generation F-35 jets.?

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https://breakingdefense.com/2023/04/romania-announces-itll-buy-f-35s-in-the-shadow-of-russian-aggression/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 24/04/2023 | 09:14 uur
Most advanced AMRAAM variant, AIM-120D-3, completes critical milestone for operational use

April 18, 2023

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An AIM-120D-3 sits at Raytheon?s Tucson, Arizona plant. The AIM-120D-3 is the latest variant of the combat-proven AMRAAM, developed under the Form, Fit, Function refresh, known as F3R.

The AIM-120D-3 is produced under the Form, Fit, Function Refresh, or F3R, program

TUCSON, Ariz., April 18, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- The U.S. Air Force has completed the Functional Configuration Audit, or FCA, of the latest variant of Raytheon Technologies' (NYSE: RTX) Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile. The AMRAAM? AIM-120D-3 is on-track toward fielding by both the Air Force and Navy this year.

The AIM-120D-3 features modernized hardware, including 15 upgraded circuit cards developed with model-based systems engineering initiatives under the Form, Fit, Function Refresh program, and uses the latest System Improvement Program-3F software. The missile brings tremendous capability to counter both current and future threats and is postured to receive continuous Agile software enhancements through upcoming SIP efforts.

"Integrated on 14 platforms in 42 countries, AMRAAM is the only fielded air-to-air weapon with the ability to counter peer threats at extended range," said Paul Ferraro, president of Air Power, Raytheon Missiles & Defense. "The AIM-120D-3 takes the known and trusted AMRAAM to the next level to meet the evolving needs of the warfighter and combatant commanders."

The AIM-120D-3 Functional Configuration Audit follows a test program encompassing captive carry missions, platform bench testing and a series of live firings from multiple Air Force and Navy platforms - proving out the weapon's effectiveness. F3R testing continues with the AIM-120 C-8 variant ? designed for international customers -- with FCA expected on that version later this year.

All AMRAAMs planned for production are D3 or C8 variants incorporating the F3R functionality.

https://www.rtx.com/news/news-center/2023/04/18/most-advanced-amraam-variant-aim-120d-3-completes-critical-milestone-for-operat

Latest AMRAAM Cleared for Deployment; Multiyear Buy Bridges the Gap to JATM

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/latest-amraam-cleared-deployment-jatm/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/05/2023 | 10:41 uur
French Navy will not receive new Rafale M fighter jets under 2024-30 LPM

According to information published by Opex360 on May 8, 2023, Admiral Pierre Vandier, who serves as the head of the French Navy, has confirmed that the Navy will not receive any new Rafale M fighter jets under the 2024-2030 military programming law.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/2023/may1/13140-french-navy-will-not-receive-new-rafale-m-fighter-jets-under-2024-30-lpm.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 20/05/2023 | 14:25 uur
Close Cousins: IAI Lavi versus F-16 Viper

Some experts feel that the performance of the IAI Lavi would be broadly comparable to today?s F-16C/D Viper in most departments and superior in some.

IAI?s Lavi (Young Lion) fighter bomber successfully completed its maiden flight at the end of December 1986. Only three complete prototypes were built before the Israeli Government voted to discontinue development due to concerns over costs. Nevertheless, the project illustrated the advanced capabilities of IAI, and many of the aircraft?s components went on to be made commercially available. Furthermore, much of the technical knowhow accumulated during the development of the Lavi contributed to the achievement of Israel?s first launch of a satellite into space in 1988.

As told by Bertie Simmonds in his book F-16 Fighting Falcon, it?s always going to be the way that the Lavi was compared to the F-16 as there were some similar design traits. In essence though, the Lavi was smaller and lighter than the General Dynamics F-16, with initially a less powerful powerplant, meaning the resultant thrust-to-weight ratio was slightly lower. Unlike the F-16 with its traditional tail section, the Lavi?s configuration was that of a tailless canard delta, although the wing was unusual in having shallow sweep on the trailing edge. The wingtips ? like that of the F-16 ? were fitted with missile rails to aid combat persistence.

The wing area was 38.50 square metres, 38% greater than the wing area of the F-16, giving an almost exactly proportionally lower wing loading, while the control system was relaxed static stability and quadruplex fly-by-wire (FBW), with no mechanical backup. The Lavi was a very unstable aircraft ? even compared to an F-16 ? so like the Viper the computers were what kept the Lavi in the air.

One very similar design feature was the engine intake, which was a plain chin type scoop, similar to that of the F-16, which was known to be satisfactory at high angles of attack. The sharply swept vertical tail, effective at high angles of attack due to interaction with the vortices shed by the canards, was mounted on a spine on top of the rear fuselage, and supplemented by the two steeply canted ventral strakes, mounted on the ends of the wing root fillets.

Normally jet fighters are designed as single-seaters first and then a two-seater ? with the second seat taking away either avionics or fuel. IAI designed the two-holer first, allowing the spare room to allow for any future avionics fit ? they did after all use the ?camel hump? models of the McDonnell Douglas A-4. IAI learned lessons well. Internal fuel capacity was 3330 litres around 16% less than the F-16 although figures show that this was offset by the Lavi?s lower drag and the better fuel consumption of the PW1120 (the Pratt & Whitney PW-1120, a development of the F-100 which was in service with both the F-15 Eagle and the original F-16A and B Fighting Falcons).

Like the F-16 the Lavi had a blown, wraparound bubble canopy. The cockpit itself dispensed with the F-16?s sidestick controller, as IAI wanted a more traditional, centrally mounted one. It?s thought that feedback from pilots in combat led to a worry about what would happen to a Lavi or F-16 pilot if their right arm or hand was injured. With a right-hand-side sidestick controller fitted, the left hand could not easily take control and fly the aircraft hack to base.

A sidestick controller also meant less console space on the right-hand console. The Lavi also had an upright seat, rather than the raked F-16?s ejection seat, due to Israeli Air Force (IAF) pilots often complaining of neck strain while scanning the sky in an F-16. Otherwise the Lavi cockpit was of the time benefitting from HOTAS or ?hands on throttle and stick? controls, a Hughes wide-angle HUD or head-up-display and colour and black and white head-down displays.

In the nose of the Lavi would be the Elta EL/M-2035 multi -mode pulse Doppler radar. Developed from that in the Kfir-C2, it was an advanced set for the day, which could track several targets at once with boresight, look-up and track while scan modes. It had two air-to-ground modes and ground mapping and terrain avoidance. Also as part of a standard fit was the Elta/Elistra Electronic Warning System which could work in both passive and active modes. Carried internally, this could be backed up with podded electronic counter measure pods and jammers.

The weapons to be carried on the Lavi were standard for the IAF of the time. As well as underwing fuel tanks, the internal cannon was from the trusted DEFA company of 30mm calibre, capable of up to 1500 rounds per minute and housed in the right wing-root. Israeli pilots had come to trust the DEFA cannons from the Dassault Mystere of the 1950s, through to the Mirage and even had them fitted on American A-4 Skyhawks rather than the 20mm Colt Mk.12s. Air-to-air armament was to be the Rafael Python 3 infrared homing short-range dogfight missile. Air-to-ground weapons would include the dumb Mk.80- series freefall bombs, the Hughes AGM-65 Maverick family of missiles, the IAI Gabriel anti-ship missile and the IAI Popeye air-to-ground missile.

Some experts feel that the performance of the IAI Lavi would be broadly comparable to today?s F-16C/D in most departments and superior in some. Like the canard foreplanes fitted to the likes of the Eurnfighter Typhoon and the SAAB Gripen, control authority of unstable aircraft is better than that of a conventional tailed machine, meaning that the Lavi would supposedly be quicker into a turn than an F-16. Those that flew the Lavi heaped praise on its agility and power.

Today the Lavi is almost a memory. Prototypes B-01, 04 and 05 were sold for scrap. B-02 is on display at the IAF Museum in Hatzerim. B-03 was flying into the 1990s as a demonstrator in support of IAI?s advanced fighter aircraft and cockpit technology programmes. There were also rumours that one aircraft was delivered to South Africa in the early 1990s or that design cues were used on the Chinese Chengdu J-10 after technology was sold by Israel to China. This has been denied by both countries.

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/close-cousins-iai-lavi-versus-f-16-viper/amp/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 21/05/2023 | 09:37 uur
The Air Force next-generation fighter will be selected in 2024

Little is known about the secretive sixth-generation Next Generation Air Dominance fighter, other than it will be extremely expensive.

WASHINGTON. The Air Force has formally begun to solicit proposals for its secretive Next Generation Air Dominance fighter, according to a service news release, with the goal of awarding a contract for the jet next year.

The Department of the Air Force released a classified solicitation to industry for an Engineering and Manufacturing Development contract for the Next Generation Air Dominance Platform with the intent to award a contract in 2024, the release says, which doesnt specifically state when the notice was posted. This solicitation release formally begins the source selection process providing industry with the requirements the DAF expects for NGAD, as the future replacement of the F-22.

The NGAD Platform is a vital element of the Air Dominance Family of Systems which represents a generational leap in technology over the F-22, which it will replace. Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall said in the release. NGAD will include attributes such as enhanced lethality and the abilities to survive, persist, interoperate, and adapt in the air domain, all within highly-contested operational environments. No one does this better than the U.S. Air Force, but we will lose that edge if we dont move forward now.


According to the release, the NGAD program will leverage open architecture standards to ensure that contractors can compete to sustain the aircraft throughout its lifecycle, which would help to drive down costs to keep the aircraft flying. The pool of vendors vying to build the aircraft is unclear, though defense giants Lockheed Martin, Boeing and Northrop Grumman are assumed to be in the mix.

The Air Force is requesting billions of dollars over the next five years for NGAD R&D efforts, with an initial buy of 200 planned, though a price tag for the fighter is currently unclear. However, Kendall has hinted it is going to be incredibly expensive, being multiples of the F-35, likely totaling several hundred million per tail.

Separately, the fighter will be powered by an adaptive engine developed through the Next Generation Adaptive Propulsion (NGAP) program, leveraging the work achieved by the Adaptive Engine Transition Program that officials are seeking to discontinue in fiscal 2024. General Electric and Pratt & Whitney are both competing to build the NGADs powerplant, with a GE official recently suggesting that a ramp-up in funding for NGAP could carry both vendors through the prototyping phase.


The Air Force?s Collaborative Combat Aircraft drones that will join NGAD in combat will be separate from the fighter?s solicitation process, according to the release.

At least one full-scale NGAD prototype is known to have flown in 2020, but the programs high classification levels have mostly shrouded its status in secrecy. Last year, Kendall said the program had entered the engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) phase for the fighter, though he later backtracked to clarify that the program had not passed the milestone B marker that formally launches EMD, according to a report in Defense News.

Following Kendalls remarks, the Defense Department Inspector General launched a review of NGAD to determine the extent to which the Air Force demonstrated that the critical technologies used in the Next-Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) fighter aircraft were mature enough to support entry into the engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) phase of the NGAD programs acquisition timeline, according to a September 26 memo.

The results of that review have not been made public, and its currently unknown where in the design phase the program rests. According to Kendall, the Air Force plans to field the fighter by the end of the decade.

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/05/the-air-forces-next-generation-fighter-will-be-selected-in-2024/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 21/05/2023 | 09:41 uur


Wel een leuke uitleg over hoe de fighters van de 6e generatie eruit gaan zien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 06/06/2023 | 11:58 uur
Signing of MOU paves way for Philippines to acquire the Saab Gripen fighter

The Philippines and Sweden have recently entered into an agreement that could lead to a significant deal involving the supply of Saab Gripen fighter aircraft to the Philippine Air Force (PAF). The memorandum of understanding (MOU) was signed by Acting Defense Secretary Carlito Galvez Jr. and Swedish Defense Minister P?l Jonson during the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore last week.

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The agreement focuses on defense materiel cooperation and holds the potential for Swedish defense industries to contribute to the modernization program of the Armed Forces of the Philippines. ?The signed agreement paves the way for advancing cooperation in the areas of logistics, defense industry development, and exchange of related information between the two countries,? Philippine Department of National Defense spokesman Arsenio Andolong was quoted as saying.

The recent signing of the MOU follows discussions between Galvez and Swedish Trade Minister Johan Forssell in Manila last month, where they finalized the details of the agreement and addressed other aspects of bilateral relations.

In a separate development, PAF Chief Lt. Gen. Stephen Parre?o led a delegation to Sweden, engaging with the Swedish Air Force and visiting the Saab facility. During the visit, they had the opportunity to examine the JAS-39, as well as the Saab 340 airborne early warning and control aircraft.

The acquisition of multi-role fighters has been a long-standing goal for the PAF as part of its deterrence strategy. Alongside the Saab Jas-39 Gripen, the PAF has been considering the F-16 from Lockheed Martin, for its fighter jet requirement.

https://alert5.com/2023/06/06/signing-of-mou-paves-way-for-philippines-to-acquire-the-saab-gripen-fighter/#more-97654
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/06/2023 | 14:57 uur
Eurofighter ? L?sung von Saab f?r den Elektronischen Kampf ausgew?hlt
https://esut.de/2023/06/meldungen/42696/eurofighter-loesung-von-saab-fuer-den-elektronischen-kampf-ausgewaehlt/

( Artikel via google translate vertaald )
Het Federale Bureau voor Uitrusting, Informatietechnologie en Gebruik van de Duitse Strijdkrachten (BAAINBw) heeft Saab's "Arexis"-sensorsysteem gekozen als oplossing voor de Duitse EK Eurofighter, zo schrijft het bedrijf in een persbericht. EK staat voor Electronic Combat. Op dit moment heeft Saab echter nog geen contract getekend en geen overeenkomstige bestelling ontvangen.

Vorig jaar maakte het Ministerie van Defensie bekend voornemens te zijn 15 Luftwaffe Eurofighters in te schakelen voor EK-missies. Het gaat vooral om het materieel voor de SEAD-rol (Suppression of Enemy Air Defense).

Volgens de aankondiging is de selectie van de Arexis-sensoren gebaseerd op een actueel marktonderzoek door de BAAINBw. Deze studie evalueerde de systemen van Europese en internationale EK-aanbieders op tal van criteria, zoals systeemprestaties, integratie-inspanningen en wettelijk luchtvaartrecht.

?We verwelkomen deze beslissing en kijken uit naar de volgende stappen. Het aangeboden Arexis-systeem is de optimale oplossing voor de EK-eisen van de Duitse Eurofighter?, aldus Anders Sj?berg, CEO van Saab Deutschland GmbH, in het persbericht. Saab gaat samen met AI-partner Helsing een groot deel van de dienstverlening in dit project op haar locatie in Beieren verzorgen.

Volgens Helsing zou de Eurofighter in 2028 in staat moeten zijn tot elektronische gevechten. De Arexis-sensorsuite van Saab wordt mogelijk gemaakt door de op AI gebaseerde software van Helsing voor cognitieve EK. De focus ligt dan ook op verkenning en zelfverdediging tegen vijandelijke luchtverdediging. Volgens het bedrijf zal de Duitse Bondsdag zich dit jaar over de beslissing buigen.

De AI-oplossing van Helsing maakt het mogelijk om geregistreerde radargegevens terwijl ze nog in het vliegtuig zitten te analyseren en binnen milliseconden precieze zelfbeschermingsmaatregelen te bepalen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/06/2023 | 12:33 uur
TERMA F-35 MULTI-MISSION POD  ( was al bekend, maar wordt weer getoond in 2023 in Parijs )

Terma has delivered more than a 100 Gun Pods for the F-35 Lightning ll, the only certified external pod for the F-35 fighter jet. Terma is now introducing the F-35 Multi-Mission Pod ? a further development to the Gun Pod, providing additional mission payload volume for the platform.

https://www.terma.com/news-events/news/news-archive/2022/introducing-the-terma-f-35-multi-mission-pod/

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https://twitter.com/Terma_Global/status/1668946507997892613?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1668946507997892613%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/06/2023 | 12:47 uur
Citaat van: Terma op 20/06/2023 | 12:33 uur

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Op de grond ziet het er zo uit.

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Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 314 declares initial operational capability (IOC) for the F-35C Lightning II. (Lance Cpl. Juan Anaya/Marine Corps)

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2020/12/06/the-marine-corps-first-f-35c-squadron-is-ready-to-deploy-on-carriers/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Master Mack op 20/06/2023 | 18:26 uur
Gaat je stealth hiermee niet naar de prullenbak?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/06/2023 | 18:52 uur
Citaat van: Master Mack op 20/06/2023 | 18:26 uur
Gaat je stealth hiermee niet naar de prullenbak?

Ja, maar is ook niet voor alle type missies nodig.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 22/06/2023 | 10:17 uur
Frankrijk wil tegen 2050 een hypersonisch Espadon-gevechtsvliegtuig bouwen dat meer dan 6174 km/u kan vliegen

Het Franse staatsbureau voor defensieonderzoek Onera hoopt dat zijn baanbrekende project zal resulteren in de lancering van een hypersonisch gevechtsvliegtuig. De organisatie wil haar visie bereiken tegen 2050.

Dit is wat we weten

Het project heet Espadon, wat vertaald kan worden als Zwaardvis. Het heeft een financiering van ongeveer 5,4 miljard dollar ontvangen. Ren? Mathurin, directeur defensieonderzoek bij Onera, zei dat het onderzoek naar het programma zich richt op nuttige ladingen, wapensystemen, voortstuwing en aerodynamica.

Het Espandon-model heeft al windtunneltests ondergaan. Onera bracht een verkleind model van het hypersonische vliegtuig naar de Paris Air Show. Ren? Mathurin merkte op dat hun ontwikkeling pas over tientallen jaren hypersonische snelheden (Mach 5 | 6174 km/u) zal kunnen bereiken.

https://gagadget.com/nl/265044-frankrijk-wil-tegen-2050-een-hypersonisch-espadon-gevechtsvliegtuig-bouwen-dat-meer-dan-6174-kmu-kan-vliegen/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 23/06/2023 | 00:14 uur
Oke, hoe bedonderd gaat dedonder zich straks voelen. Zijn de Belgen weer de aap gelogeerd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 23/06/2023 | 09:59 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 23/06/2023 | 00:14 uur
Oke, hoe bedonderd gaat dedonder zich straks voelen. Zijn de Belgen weer de aap gelogeerd.

Ik denk het niet Dedonder zal ongetwijfeld al in overleg zijn om deel te nemen aan dit project. Als de Belgen ergens behoefte aan hebben is het wel een toestel wat met Mach 5 kan opereren 🤣
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/06/2023 | 13:58 uur
?ELEKTRONISCHER KAMPF?   ( EW variant Eurofighter, gaan we een "Wild Weasel" versie krijgen )
Deutsche bauen 15 Eurofighter zu St?rern um

https://www.krone.at/3040058

Der Krieg in der Ukraine ist stark von St?rsignalen gepr?gt: GPS, Radar, Funk - alles, was Wellen aussendet, kann potenziell unterbrochen oder verwirrt werden. Die deutsche Bundeswehr reagiert darauf, und baut 15 ihrer Eurofighter zu Plattformen f?r den ?elektronischen Kampf? um. Mit der Hilfe eines Eurofighter-Rivalen.

?Arexis?-Sensorenl?sung
Konkret bauen die Deutschen nun die ?Arexis?-Sensorsuite von Saab in die Kampfjets ein. Dabei handelt es sich um eine komplexe Sensorenl?sung, die Strahlen aller Art entdecken und st?ren kann.

Arexis electronic warfare solution
https://www.saab.com/products/arexis

https://www.aviacionline.com/2023/06/germany-chooses-saabs-ew-arexis-system-for-its-eurofighter-electronic-warfare-aircrafts/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/06/2023 | 10:26 uur
Next Generation Air Dominance Fighter Program Involves Three Demonstrators: Report

New revelations about the secretive NGAD program indicate two companies are in the final running to build the Air Force's next combat jet.

The competition to provide the U.S. Air Force with its Next Generation Air Dominance, or NGAD, stealth sixth-generation crewed tactical jet is reportedly down to two prime contractors or teams of contractors. A final decision on what is now assumed to be a winner-takes-all competition is expected sometime next year and, perhaps most intriguingly, there are said to be no fewer than three NGAD demonstrators now in existence. These latest revelations come from a recent podcast from the Defense & Aerospace Report

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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/next-generation-air-dominance-fighter-program-involves-three-demonstrators-report
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/06/2023 | 11:35 uur
Moody AFB selected to host next F-35A mission (weer een A-10 vliegbasis minder)

Published June 26, 2023
Secretary of the Air Force Public Affairs

ARLINGTON, Va. (AFNS) -- 

The Department of the Air Force selected Moody Air Force Base, Georgia, as the preferred location to receive the next active-duty F-35A Lightning II mission.

The two squadrons of F-35As are projected to begin arriving in FY29 and the number of personnel is expected to remain the same.

The F-35A brings an enhanced capability to survive in the advanced threat environment in which it was designed to operate. With its aerodynamic performance and advanced integrated avionics, the F-35A provides next-generation stealth, enhanced situational awareness and reduced vulnerability.

The decision to host the F-35 mission at Moody AFB came after assessing the area's ability to facilitate the mission and infrastructure capacity, while accounting for community support, environmental factors and cost.

The Fiscal Year 2024 Program Objective Memorandum details department plans to retire 54 A-10 Thunderbolt IIs. If approved, six A-10s will be divested out of Moody AFB in FY24 with the remaining A-10s divesting by FY28.

The Department of the Air Force will now conduct an environmental impact analysis, which is expected to be completed in fall 2025.

Editor's note: This article has been updated to correct inaccurate statements. There will not be an increase in personnel and aircraft are expected to begin arriving in fiscal year 2029.


https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3439650/moody-afb-selected-to-host-next-f-35a-mission/

Zie ook onderstaande over huidige en toekomstige F-35A USAF/AFRes/ANG vliegbases :

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/moody-f-35s-replace-a-10s-air-force/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 28/06/2023 | 14:32 uur
Danish F-16s retired earlier

Published: 26 June 2023    Last Updated: 26 June 2023

On 26 June 2023, the Danish Minister of Defence Troels Lund Paulsen, announced that Denmark will retire the F-16 in 2025, two years earlier than planned.

Just a year ago, on 20 June 2022, Denmark said that the country was to keep its fleet of F-16 (https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/rdaf-extends-service-life-of-f-16s) Fighting Falcons operational three years longer than originally planned until 2027.

The main reason for the change of plans is the possible delivery of F-16s to Ukraine. According to Troels Lund Paulsen, the replacement for the F-16, the F-35A Lightning II will be operative by 2025. The first F-16s could be delivered to Ukraine early 2024.

The Danish Ministry of Defence also reported that training of Ukrainian pilots on the F-16 has already started and that pilots must spend six to eight months of training on the aircraft. At the Ukraine Defence Contact Group meeting in Ramstein the transfer of F-16s to Ukraine was discussed including a training programme, not only for pilots, but also for technical staff.

Final approval for delivery of the aircraft to Ukraine has to be given by the US. The number of former Flyvevåbnet (RDAF, Royal Danish Air Force) F-16s for Ukraine has not been mentioned.

Strikingly, the Colombian government is currently negotiating with Denmark on a possible sale of twelve F-16s as an interim solution to replace the ageing fleet of Kfir fighter aircraft.

(https://www.scramble.nl/images/news/2023/june/Denmark_F-16_E-610_ET-199_EKSP_04Aug20_Ad_Jan_Altevogt_640.jpg)
Photo by Ad Jan Altevogt (Scramble Archive)

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/danish-f-16s-retired-earlier
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 03/07/2023 | 08:27 uur
Israel greenlights purchase of new F-35 squadron from US

The Israeli Defense Ministry noted that the total value of the deal to buy 25 F-35 aircraft is approximately $3 billion, financed by US aid funds.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-748520
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 03/07/2023 | 10:01 uur
State approves $5.6 billion F-35 sale to Czech Republic

Beyond the fighters themselves, the potential deal includes a host of missiles, bombs, electronic warfare and radio capabilities, as well as "classified software" and software development.

The US State Department today approved the potential sale to the Czech Republic of 24 Lockheed Martin-made F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, as well as a plethora of weapons, parts and equipment, in a deal worth up to $5.6 billion.

"The proposed sale will improve the Czech Republic's defense capabilities as well as support NATO operations by guarding against modern threats and maintaining a constant presence in the region," the State Department said in a statement, though it added a claim that the new fighters "will not alter the basic military balance in the region."

The 24 fighters will be the Conventional Take Off and Landing (CTOL) variety, better known as F-35As, like the kind flown primarily by the US Air Force. The Czech Republic made its F-35 ambitions known a year ago, when it announced it had chosen the American fifth-generation jet over the F-16 or the Saab-made Gripen fighter. The Czech air force currently flies Gripens.

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/06/state-approves-5-6-billion-f-35-sale-to-czech-republic/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 03/07/2023 | 11:39 uur
Mooie overstap voor de Tsjechen van de JAS 39 C/D Gripen op de F-35A. Ook voor wat betreft het wapenpakket.

https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/czech-republic-f-35-aircraft-and-munitions

Verder was het wachten op een derde F-35I squadron van Israël.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 04/07/2023 | 16:27 uur
Rheinmetall plans to build state-of-the-art F-35A Lightning II fuselage factory in Germany

Together with its American partners Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin, Rheinmetall has reached another important milestone in a key Bundeswehr project, while simultaneously opening a new chapter in German-American defence technology cooperation.

The Düsseldorf-based tech enterprise plans to build an ultramodern factory at Weeze, in the Kleve district of the German state of North Rhine-Westphalia (NRW), to produce fuselage sections for the F-35A Lightning II, the world's top-performing warplane. The decision on where to place the factory followed a review of possible locations around Germany.

The new plant is due to produce at least 400 F-35A fuselage sections for the air forces of Germany and other friendly nations. An integrated technology group, Rheinmetall will be drawing here on its extensive experience in fabricating sophisticated components as well as in the aviation domain. Production is expected to commence in 2025.

"We're proud that our longstanding partnership with Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin and our decades-long relationship with the Bundeswehr is resulting in a genuine transfer of know-how to Germany", declares Rheinmetall chief executive Armin Papperger. "And we're very pleased to be contributing to the future viability of Germany as a technology powerhouse, and especially NRW, our longstanding corporate home. Close to the state capital in Düsseldorf, we're going to build a factory that sets standards Europewide. We're very grateful for the political and administrative support we experienced in Weeze during our search for a location."

"Northrop Grumman will replicate our automated and manufacturing technologies of the Integrated Assembly Line in Weeze," said Glenn Masukawa, vice president for Northrop Grumman's F-35 program. "Combined with Rheinmetall's capabilities, our collaboration with Lockheed Martin to manufacture the center fuselage is critical in bolstering global security. We look forward to the success of this newest F-35 facility."

"We are pleased with Rheinmetall's swift site selection for the upcoming F-35 center fuselage production facility. This marks an important milestone in the German F-35 program – this increase in capacity helps meet the growing global demand that further enables the F-35 to stay ahead of evolving threats in the 21st-century landscape," said Mike Shoemaker, vice president of F-35 Customer Programs at Lockheed Martin. "Lockheed Martin is committed to fostering industry partnerships and creating jobs in Germany. We appreciate Rheinmetall's role as an agile and flexible partner and look forward to continued collaboration."

Featuring state-of-the-art technology, the planned factory will be operated through Rheinmetall Aviation Services GmbH. It will cover 60,000m². Over 400 highly skilled men and women will crew the ultramodern assembly line. In addition, the plant will include logistics and warehouse facilities, research and test centres, classrooms and quality control units.

https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2023-news-aviation-aerospace/july/9065-rheinmetall-plans-to-build-state-of-the-art-f-35a-lightning-ii-fuselage-factory-in-germany.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/07/2023 | 10:28 uur
X-59 Supersonic Test Jet Looks Positively Sci-Fi Head-On

A frontal view of the X-59 reveals details of its pilot vision system, provided in lieu of any forward-facing windows for its pilot.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/x-59-supersonic-test-jet-looks-positively-sci-fi-head-on

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/o5U4Apb80SFdP2AgH4zSLg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTM5Nw--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/the_warzone_735/a4f6360ccf137cea582d1213be8c3cfc)


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 07/07/2023 | 12:21 uur
Fabriek voor rompen F-35 komt in Weeze

Er komt een nieuwe fabriek op Weeze Airport, dat op slechts twee kilometer van de Nederlandse grens ligt. De fabriek gaat minstens 400 rompsecties produceren voor de F-35 Lightning II.




https://www.upinthesky.nl/2023/07/07/nieuwe-fabriek-op-weeze-maakt-f-35-rompen/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 07/07/2023 | 12:41 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 07/07/2023 | 12:21 uurFabriek voor rompen F-35 komt in Weeze

Er komt een nieuwe fabriek op Weeze Airport, dat op slechts twee kilometer van de Nederlandse grens ligt. De fabriek gaat minstens 400 rompsecties produceren voor de F-35 Lightning II.




https://www.upinthesky.nl/2023/07/07/nieuwe-fabriek-op-weeze-maakt-f-35-rompen/

Heeft LM dan moeite om het gevraagde aantal rompsecties te leveren dat het de bouw van een compleet nieuwe fabriek nodig heeft? Mooie boost voor een toch al krappe arbeidsmarkt in die regio en in elk geval veel minder last van stikstofverbindingen en CO2 quota restricties op roepafstand van de grens, geeft alleen al aan hoe krom het huidige Nederlandse beleid is.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 07/07/2023 | 12:54 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 07/07/2023 | 12:41 uuralleen al aan hoe krom het huidige Nederlandse beleid is.

Stfu, ga nou niet weer gooien met deze onzin. Voor je het weet zitten we in een hele discussie.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/07/2023 | 13:08 uur
Citaat van: Umbert op 07/07/2023 | 12:41 uurHeeft LM dan moeite om het gevraagde aantal rompsecties te leveren dat het de bouw van een compleet nieuwe fabriek nodig heeft?

LM is afhankelijk van nationale en internationale leveranciers. Misschien kon de bestaande leverancier geen extra rompsecties leveren.

CitaatGerman industrial partnership will increase the already significant role European industry plays in the F-35 program. Today, more than 25% of all F-35 components are built in Europe by Europeans.

https://www.f35.com/f35/global-enterprise/germany.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 07/07/2023 | 14:58 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 07/07/2023 | 12:54 uurStfu, ga nou niet weer gooien met deze onzin. Voor je het weet zitten we in een hele discussie.



Klopt dat is trekken aan een dood paard dus doen we dan ook niet meer, wilde alleen zeggen dat de Duitsers een mooie vis hebben gevangen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 07/07/2023 | 16:20 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 07/07/2023 | 12:21 uurFabriek voor rompen F-35 komt in Weeze

Er komt een nieuwe fabriek op Weeze Airport, dat op slechts twee kilometer van de Nederlandse grens ligt. De fabriek gaat minstens 400 rompsecties produceren voor de F-35 Lightning II.




https://www.upinthesky.nl/2023/07/07/nieuwe-fabriek-op-weeze-maakt-f-35-rompen/
Nog te berijden vanaf techhub Eindhoven, wellicht dat dit heeft meegespeeld in de locatie? Nu kunnen ze gespecialiseerd personeel uit twee landen aantrekken.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/07/2023 | 21:27 uur
https://gagadget.com/nl/275202-eurofighter-wil-de-levensduur-van-zijn-typhoon-gevechtsvliegtuigen-van-de-vierde-generatie-verlengen-tot-in-de-jaren-2060/

Eurofighter wil de levensduur van zijn Typhoon gevechtsvliegtuigen van de vierde generatie verlengen tot in de jaren 2060

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2023 | 23:02 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 09/07/2023 | 21:27 uurEurofighter wil de levensduur van zijn Typhoon gevechtsvliegtuigen van de vierde generatie verlengen tot in de jaren 2060


Dat zegt ook iets over de introductie van FCAS.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/07/2023 | 23:11 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2023 | 23:02 uurDat zegt ook iets over de introductie van FCAS.

Dassault gaf een paar jaar geleden hetzelfde plan door voor de Rafale. Het is inmiddels gebruikelijk dat een type casco minimaal 30 jaar in gebruik blijft. Kijk maar naar de F-15 en F16. Onderhuids niet te vergelijken met de oorspronkelijke uitvoering, maar qua uiterlijk direct herkenbaar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 10/07/2023 | 13:59 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 09/07/2023 | 23:02 uurDat zegt ook iets over de introductie van FCAS.

En over de keuze van NL om voor de JSF te gaan
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 14/07/2023 | 13:33 uur
It's Official: India OKs Purchase of 26 Rafales

DAC Approves Proposals for Procurement of 26 Rafale Marine Aircraft from France to Boost Indian Navy's Operational Capabilities

India's Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), chaired by Defense Minister Rajnath Singh, today approved the purchase of 26 Rafale-M naval fighters and three additional Scorpene submarines from France, clearing the way for signature of a government to government deal by Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his two-day visit to Paris, where he is the guest of honor at Friday's Bastille Day military parade.

A meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), held under the chairmanship of Raksha Mantri Shri Rajnath Singh, approved three proposals on July 13, 2023.

The DAC granted Acceptance of Necessity (AoN) for procurement of 26 Rafale Marine aircraft along with associated ancillary equipment, weapons, simulator, spares, documentation, crew training and logistic support for the Indian Navy from the French Government based on Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA). The price and other terms of purchase will be negotiated with the French Government after taking into account all relevant aspects, including comparative procurement price of similar aircraft by other countries.

Further, integration of Indian designed equipment and establishment of Maintenance, Repair & Operations (MRO) Hub for various systems will be incorporated into the contract documents after due negotiations.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/its-official-india-oks-purchase-of-26-rafales-and-3-scorpene-subs-from-france/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/07/2023 | 11:29 uur
Nieuwe generatie van het Praetoriaanse zelfbeschermingssysteem voor Eurofighter gepresenteerd
https://esut.de/2023/07/meldungen/43370/neue-generation-des-selbstschutzsystems-praetorian-fuer-eurofighter-vorgestellt/

(https://esut.de/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Die-Elemente-der-DASS-Praetorian-sind-auf-dem-gesamten-Flugzeug-verteilt._Grafik_EuroDASS.jpg)

(Vertaald via Google Translate)

Op de Royal International Air Tattoo (RIAT) in Fairford, Engeland, van 14 tot 16 juli, presenteerde Leonardo de nieuwe generatie van het Praetoriaanse zelfbeschermingssysteem voor de Eurofighter, dat bekend staat als het Defensive Aids Sub-System (DASS) in Phase 4 Enhancement (P4E) in de gevechtsvliegtuigen zal worden geïnstalleerd.

Het EuroDASS-consortium met Leonardo, de ELT Group, Indra en Hensoldt heeft Praetorian verder ontwikkeld volgens de eisen van de gebruiker en geïntegreerd in een Piper Navajo-testvliegtuig. In het consortium is Leonardo verantwoordelijk voor de integratie van de componenten en de uiteindelijke oplevering. Hensoldt leidt de ontwikkeling van de digitale ontvanger en Indra heeft de uitbreiding van de frequentieband overgenomen. De ELT Group draagt ��bij aan verbeteringen aan elektronische tegenmaatregelen en WTP-koelers.

Volgens Leonardo vergroot de nieuwste vooruitgang de overlevingskansen van het vliegtuig en legt het de basis voor de integratie van het verdedigingssysteem met de krachtige E-Scan-radars van de Eurofighter Typhoon. Dit omvat alle versies van de E-Scan-radar, dwz zowel de versies die al in gebruik zijn als de versies die momenteel worden ontwikkeld door Eurofighter-partnerlanden.

De bestaande DASS, genoemd naar de elite Romeinse bodyguard-eenheid Praetorian, beschermt de Eurofighter tegen bedreigingen zoals infrarood (IR/hitte) en radargeleide raketten, vervolgde Leonardo. De sensoren en stoorzenders die in het systeem zijn geïntegreerd, geven de piloot inzicht in de situatie en rusten het vliegtuig uit met een digitale verhulmogelijkheid die wordt bereikt door geavanceerde elektronische loktechnieken.

Leonardo schrijft dat de nieuwe mogelijkheden, die zich al in een vergevorderd stadium van ontwikkeling bevinden, een digitale ontvanger omvatten die het mogelijk zal maken om moderne en complexe doelen en hun werking beter te herkennen en de juiste tegenmaatregelen te nemen. De upgrade omvat ook een uitbreiding van de frequentieband, waardoor de Eurofighter kan opereren in de steeds complexere, drukkere en competitievere elektromagnetische gevechtsruimte van de toekomst.

Verbeterde signaalverwerkingsalgoritmen en processorcapaciteiten leiden tot aanzienlijke vooruitgang in verwerkingssnelheid, mogelijkheden en opslagruimte, beschrijft Leonardo. Hierdoor kan het Praetorian-systeem optimaal worden geïntegreerd met de E-Scan-radaropties van Eurofighters, waaronder het nieuwe ECRS dat momenteel in ontwikkeling is. De nieuwste radaropties hebben een krachtig elektronisch aanvalsvermogen en vormen een aanvulling op de ingebouwde storing van het Praetorian-systeem voor een hoge algehele impact.

Volgens de informatie zullen de eerste testvluchten van de DASS Praetorian aan boord van de Piper Navajo direct na de RIAT plaatsvinden. De suite zal vervolgens in een steiger worden gezet tot een Eurofighter-testvliegtuig voor testen tijdens de vlucht vanaf begin 2024.

Met Praetorian eVolution heeft het EuroDASS-consortium al een roadmap voorgesteld voor de toekomstige verdere ontwikkeling van het zelfbeschermingssysteem. Het doel is om het hoge beschermingsniveau van de Eurofighters de komende decennia te handhaven. Nieuwe mogelijkheden zijn onder meer platformonafhankelijke elektronische oorlogsvoering, zeer nauwkeurige targeting en geavanceerde gevechts-ID.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 19/07/2023 | 12:56 uur
https://gagadget.com/en/weapons/281133-australia-may-not-buy-28-f-35a-aircraft-because-of-the-modernisation-of-the-fa-18-super-hornet-the-development-of/

Australia may not buy 28 F-35A aircraft because of the modernisation of the F/A-18 Super Hornet, the development of the MQ-28 Ghost Bat drone and the emergence of sixth-generation fighters
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 21/07/2023 | 12:47 uur
MQ-28 Ghost bats zijn voor NLD Een must met ons lage aantal F-35's.

Snap de beslissing goed van Aus, had alleen die F-18's ingeruild voor F-15GE's. F-18's zijn leuk maar enorm traag en hebben wel hun beperkingen. Helemaal als je ze niet gebruikt als carrier aircraft.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 21/07/2023 | 13:04 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 21/07/2023 | 12:47 uurMQ-28 Ghost bats zijn voor NLD Een must met ons lage aantal F-35's.

Als ze moeten worden bewapend, dan moet er wel iets aan het airframe van de MQ-28 gebeuren. Met de huidige grootte is het meer voor ISR.

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 21/07/2023 | 12:47 uurSnap de beslissing goed van Aus, had alleen die F-18's ingeruild voor F-15GE's. F-18's zijn leuk maar enorm traag en hebben wel hun beperkingen. Helemaal als je ze niet gebruikt als carrier aircraft.

Als vervanger van de F-111C was een F-15E variant inderdaad geschikter. Helaas kozen zij voor de F/A-18F, omdat 12 van de 24 stuks zouden worden omgebouwd naar de EA-18G Growler. Uiteindelijk werd de EA-18G nieuw af fabriek geleverd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/07/2023 | 08:44 uur
US Navy Taps Lockheed Martin For LRASM Integration On F-35

The U.S. Navy is looking to tap Lockheed Martin Corporation's Missiles Fire Control (MFC) unit for Integrating the Long Range Anti-ship Missile (LRASM) on the F-35.

(https://www.navalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/F-35-LRASM-Lockheed-Martin-1024x553.jpg.webp)

The Naval Air Systems Command released a pre-solicitation notice on July 7th, seeking sources for integrating the U.S. Navy's Long Range Anti-ship Missile (LRASM) on the F-35 platform. The notice states that NAVAIR plans to negotiate and award a sole source delivery order for a Basic Ordering Agreement (BOA) to Lockheed Martin Corporation's Missiles Fire Control (MFC).

According to the notice Lockheed Martin "will support the F-35 Tactical Missile Operational Flight Program (MOFP) development. LMMFC shall develop and deliver a build of tactical MOFP that is compatible with F-35 and backward compatible with legacy aircraft platforms, including F/A-18, B-1, and P-8."

News of possible JASSM-ER and LRASM integration on the F-35 goes back to 2018 and has been known for years now, but little was known about when this would begin. During the 2021 Surface Navy Association symposium, Lockheed Martin unveiled artist impressions of an F-35 equipped with two LRASMs. Naval News contacted Lockheed Martin to ask about the unveiling and the progress of the integration if one was happening.

Lockheed Martin officials stated that they had completed initial fit checks for both JASSM-ER and LRASM at the time of the unveiling, and expected planned integration efforts to continue into the year. Congress also allocated funds for the integration effort later that year in the FY22 budget.

LRASM is currently integrated on the U.S. Navy's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, which cleared Early Operational Capability (EOC) with the missile in December 2019, and on the U.S. Air Force's B-1B Lancer, which cleared EOC with the missile in 2017. Aside from these platforms, the missile is being integrated on the P-8A Poseidon, the progress of which Naval News reported on earlier this year, and on the U.S. Air Force's B-52 Stratofortress.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/07/us-navy-lockheed-martin-lrasm-f35/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 29/07/2023 | 17:18 uur
Northrop Grumman Bails On Next Generation Fighter Competition
Northrop Grumman has decided to focus on other opportunities, among them is the Navy's own 6th generation fighter program.



https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/northrop-grumman-bails-on-next-generation-fighter-competition
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 02/08/2023 | 03:01 uur
Duitsland investeert miljoenen in fabriek voor F-35's aan Nederlandse grens

Voor het eerst sinds de oorlog in Oekraïne pompt Duitsland geld in een fabriek voor militair materieel in eigen land. In Weeze, vlakbij Venray over de Duitse grens, hoopt wapenfabrikant Rheinmetall komende jaren de vliegtuigromp voor de Amerikaanse F-35-straaljagers te maken.

https://www.ad.nl/buitenland/duitsland-investeert-miljoenen-in-fabriek-voor-f-35s-aan-nederlandse-grens~a760811d/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 03/08/2023 | 20:16 uur
AIR WARFARE, CONGRESS

In reversal, Air Force wants prototype NGAD engines from both Pratt and GE: Official


(https://i.postimg.cc/tJ28rwNK/IMG-4013.jpg)
General Electric's proposal for the Adaptive Engine Transition Program, the XA100. (General Electric)

DAYTON, Ohio — The Air Force has decided to fund both Pratt & Whitney and GE Aerospace at least through the prototype phase to make an engine for the service's forthcoming Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) fighter, reversing earlier plans to ax one of the competitors earlier.

"We still have that opportunity to do a downselect if we start seeing... a huge separation between the two. But right now with the way we're funded, we think we can carry both through prototype, and both are leaning in fully. And so then we'll let the prototype and test do the evaluation," Air Force propulsion chief John Sneden said Tuesday.

Last year at the Life Cycle Industry Days conference here, Sneden said that budget constraints by the end of 2024 would force officials to eliminate either Pratt & Whitney or GE Aerospace from the Next Generation Adaptive Propulsion (NGAP) program, the formal name of the effort to build the NGAD fighter's engine. But now, Sneden said he's confident the Air Force's can support both vendors through the prototyping phase, which he said is critical to maintain the health of the propulsion industrial base.

"The problem with it is that there's not many companies in the world that can do this," he said. "My focus is really on just maintaining what we currently have. And that means competition wherever possible, and continuing to fund both vendors for as long as we possibly can."

Under NGAP, the service last year issued contracts to Pratt and GE — as well as Boeing, Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman — to ensure that propulsion offerings can fit into any airframe ultimately selected. The service plans to make an award for NGAD in 2024, and following Northop's announcement that it won't bid as a prime, Lockheed and Boeing are assumed to be competing to make the fighter itself.

When the contract was issued, "it was just to make sure that there was an interface methodology between the airframe company and the propulsion company," Sneden said.

And Congress appears poised to fully provide the service's $595 million fiscal 2024 funding request for NGAP, according to drafts of appropriators' legislation. As the prototyping phase approaches in the 2024-2025 timeframe, both companies will have to share their designs — and as of right now, Sneden expects both will be worthy of fielding as prototypes.

"I think what we need to do is, let's see where both vendors are at. And if they're both tracking basically equally, or close enough to each other — which they are right now, they're both doing great — then we would go into prototype and test," he said.

After that, "we can make a downselect from there," he added, though Sneden did not state specifically when that decision might be made. "We will let the results speak for themselves as we get to prototype and test."

AETP Funding
Air Force officials are looking to use a range of new tools to shape the design of the NGAD's engine — technology that will draw upon the Air Force's Adaptive Engine Transition Program (AETP), where Pratt and GE each built prototype adaptive engines tailored to the F-35.

In March, Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall announced the service would seek to end funding for that engine program and instead fund an upgrade to the Pratt-made F135. Congressional appropriators seem largely in agreement: Senate appropriators provide no funding for AETP, and while House appropriators provide $150 million for the program, the chair of the House defense appropriations subcommittee previously told Breaking Defense that the committee is adamant that the incumbent F135 engine should not be swapped out.

That money, according to the House committee's legislation, is "to ensure coordinated design efforts with NGAP," emphasizing that "this increase is not intended to incentivize the Air Force, or any other Service, to create an alternative engine program for the F-35." Senate appropriators would similarly separately provide $280 million for advanced engine development efforts specifically tailored to features like advanced manufacturing techniques, stating that lawmakers are "concerned that a skilled workforce across the domestic military aircraft engine industrial base will degrade if sufficient work and the requisite funding are not available."

House authorizers, however, would seek $588 million for AETP, funding that Tactical Air and Land Forces subcommittee chairman Rep. Rob Wittman, R-Va., previously said in an interview with Breaking Defense could keep a new F-35 engine in play. Wittman's counterparts in the Senate Armed Services Committee, however, would seek no further funding for AETP.

"Everything that we're seeing right now is that NGAP will be funded, but the question is really whether or not AETP will be. And so currently, our activities are really focused on maturing the adaptive engine technology with the remaining budget that we have left for AETP," Sneden said.

Sneden said officials are working to "take all of those activities, and we'll port over the technology towards NGAP," listing off key innovations like adaptive turbofans and materials with improved thermal management properties. 

Asked about Secretary Frank Kendall's comments that continued funding for AETP could be a waste of taxpayer dollars, Sneden explained that "if the decision has been made to not put AETP technology into the F-35, if we continue to lean into that activity, then that's a waste. So why would we continue to spend money on AETP specifically as it relates to the F-35.

"What I'm offering is that some of the things that we're currently doing on [AETP]... have portability into the NGAP program," he continued. "So if we get money, I think the focus will actually be, where can we spend the money on advanced engine development activities that will help us continue to mature adaptive engine tech towards the NGAP baseline, as opposed to putting adaptive engine tech in the F-35."

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/08/in-reversal-air-force-wants-prototype-ngad-engines-from-both-pratt-and-ge-official/?amp=1
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/08/2023 | 09:23 uur
Lockheed Could Adapt F-22 Stealth Fuel Tanks for Other Aircraft Like F-35

 Aug. 4, 2023 | By John A. Tirpak

DAYTON, Ohio—The low-drag, stealthy fuel tanks and pylons Lockheed Martin is developing for the F-22 are potentially applicable to other aircraft like the F-35, the head of Lockheed's Integrated Fighter Group told Air & Space Forces Magazine.

Lockheed executive O.J. Sanchez and the Air Force's director of fighters and advanced aircraft also said the Air Force's hefty investments in F-22 capabilities over the next seven years (https://www.airandspaceforces.com/f-22-credible-9-billion-air-force/) will migrate to the Next Generation Air Dominance program and other platforms and won't go to waste when the F-22 retires.

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Air Combat Command's Gen. Mark Kelly posted this conceptual image on Instagram of an F-22 firing the AIM-260 Joint Advanced Tactical Missile in 2022, offering the first official glimpse of the new weapon. USAF illustration

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/lockheed-could-f-22-stealth-fuel-tanks-f-35/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/08/2023 | 22:53 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 09/08/2023 | 21:52 uurMen wil 32 F-35A's aanschaffen in Roemenië voor een bedrag van 6,5 miljard dollar, waarbij de eerste toestellen in 2032 beschikbaar moet zijn.

46 F-16's  + 32 F-35's dat is geen kleine luchtmacht voor een land zoals Roemenië.

De ex-Noorse F-16's hebben elk nog 2.500 vlieguren over en kunnen hiermee nog circa 10 jaar vliegen. Zij moeten de MiG-21 LanceR vervangen die nu twee squadrons vormen. Dit geeft hen in totaal drie F-16 squadrons (17 ex-Portugees en 32 ex-Noors).

https://issuu.com/theaviationmagazine/docs/076_-_2022-01_02/s/14435820
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/08/2023 | 17:40 uur
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2023/08/new-engine-for-the-next-generation-fighter.html

New Engine for the Next Generation Fighter

GE Aerospace and Pratt & Whitney are in the prototyping phase for the Next Generation Adaptive Propulsion (NGAP) engine which will power the next generation air domination fighter (NGAD 6th generation figher). They both participated in the Adaptive Engine Transition Program (AETP) meant for the F-35 and are instead bringing that engine technology over to the new project. The advanced engine should allow for 20% more speed and 30% more range.

The GE XA100 adaptive engine on the test stand. The 45,000 lbf (200 kN) thrust class engine is expected to be significantly more powerful and efficient than existing low-bypass turbofans.

The AETP engines—Pratt's XA101 and GE's XA100 fit in the F-35A but would need a redesign to fit the carrier-capable F-35C and short takeoff/vertical landing F-35B.

The military chose the F135 Engine Core Upgrade offered by Pratt & Whitney instead of the AETP. The ECU is a limited scope upgrade. It looks very similar to the existing motor in the F-35 but adds the latest design tools into the same supply base. The upgrade wouldn't require any of the F-35's interfaces to change and is limited to just the core of the engine. An upgraded F135 would be production cost neutral, despite having a budget of $200-250 million a year for the next several years. The initial cost of a brand-new adaptive engine would be about two and half times that of current the F135 and would add about $4 billion in production costs across the life of the program. Other estimates were the adaptive engine could cost more than $6 billion and force the military to buy roughly 70 fewer F35 fighters. The ECU upgrades will start to be added to operational jets sometime between 2030 and 2032 (if current timelines are met).

The ECU engines supports far higher cooling demands for new computers and upgraded sensors and electronics for block 4 F35s. Previously, they military wanted 15 kilowatts of cooling but with block 4 and block 5 the total cooling demands could end up being double or more. ECU is a lot of thermal management and cooling improvements and should allow for 80 kilowatts of cooling.

The AETP engines are 25% more fuel efficiency, 10% additional thrust, and significantly better thermal management by by using advanced materials and composites, ceramic matrix materials, thermal management improvements, and additive manufacturing. The new materials and technology for bleeding edge ("expensive") increased capabilities will go into the next generation fighter and its new engine.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/08/2023 | 13:57 uur
https://gagadget.com/nl/299367-indonesie-is-van-plan-om-24-gemoderniseerde-f-15ex-eagle-ii-gevechtsvliegtuigen-te-kopen-voor-een-bedrag-van-80-106-miljo/

Indonesië is van plan om 24 gemoderniseerde F-15EX Eagle II gevechtsvliegtuigen te kopen voor een bedrag van $ 80-106 miljoen
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 24/08/2023 | 10:01 uur
https://www.defensenews.com/global/the-americas/2023/08/23/brazil-to-double-air-fleet-as-part-of-106-billion-investment/

Brazil to double air fleet as part of $10.6 billion investment

Brazil plans to invest 52.8 billion reals (U.S. $10.6 billion) for research, development and equipment acquisition efforts for its military, including nearly doubling the size of its Gripen fighter fleet and financing projects by local aircraft manufacturer Embraer for aerial refueling planes, the government announced earlier this month.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 24/08/2023 | 10:07 uur
https://gagadget.com/nl/299717-saoedi-arabie-koopt-mogelijk-100-200-franse-rafale-gevechtsvliegtuigen-omdat-duitsland-leveringen-van-eurofighter-typhoon/

Saoedi-Arabië koopt mogelijk 100-200 Franse Rafale-gevechtsvliegtuigen omdat Duitsland leveringen van Eurofighter Typhoon blokkeert

Saoedi-Arabië heeft problemen met het bestellen van Eurofighter Typhoon gevechtsvliegtuigen. Daarom stapt het koninkrijk mogelijk over op de Franse Dassault Rafale straaljagers.

Dit is wat we weten

Het Verenigd Koninkrijk wil Eurofighter Typhoon-gevechtsvliegtuigen van de vierde generatie verkopen aan Saoedi-Arabië. Maar vanwege de oorlog in Jemen en de moord op journalist Jamal Khashoggi blokkeert Duitsland de deal.

In dit verband overwegen de autoriteiten van de grootste staat op het Arabische schiereiland de aankoop van Franse Rafale gevechtsvliegtuigen. Op dit moment heeft de Koninklijke Saoedische Luchtmacht meer dan honderd Eurofighter Typhoon en F-15SA Eagle vliegtuigen.

Het koninkrijk is terughoudend om Amerikaanse gevechtsvliegtuigen te bestellen vanwege de niet al te beste betrekkingen met de VS. De regering vreest dat Amerika in de toekomst de levering van vliegtuigen of onderdelen voor hen zal blokkeren.

Daarom valt de keuze op de Franse Rafale. Volgens La Tribune overweegt Saoedi-Arabië om 100-200 gevechtsvliegtuigen te kopen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 27/08/2023 | 21:21 uur
U.S. Navy's F/A-XX in Design Maturation, Competing Companies Announced

https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/budget-policy-operations/us-navys-fa-xx-design-maturation-competing-companies
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/08/2023 | 14:53 uur
Japan Britain and Italy forge tri-nation partnership for next-generation air-to-air missile

Japan has initiated a joint project with NATO members Britain and Italy to develop a new generation of air-to-air missile for upcoming fighter jets. This collaboration is set against the backdrop of increasing global security issues, such as Russia's activities in Ukraine and China's military expansion.

The primary objective of this tri-nation collaboration is to engineer a new air-to-air missile. Initial studies by Japan and Britain suggest that the missile in development could offer enhanced performance at a potentially lower cost compared to the existing Meteor missile. The Meteor program itself is a significant European defense collaboration involving six countries, including Britain and Italy. Unlike conventional air-to-air missiles, the Meteor utilizes a ramjet to maintain thrust at speeds exceeding Mach 4, thereby increasing its range and effectiveness. It is currently compatible with Europe's frontline fighter aircraft such as the Gripen, the Eurofighter Typhoon II, and the Rafale.

The new missile inspired by the Meteor and expected by Japan, is currently in the design phase and aims to incorporate advanced radar and other systems. It is expected to be capable of receiving targeting information from multiple platforms, including drones and airborne early warning and control aircraft.

Key features under consideration include advanced radar systems for improved target detection, seamless integration with other military assets like drones, and the utilization of gallium nitride semiconductors to enhance radar performance. Additionally, a new engine is under development to increase the missile's range and speed. The missile is also anticipated to be compatible with Japan's future 6th-generation fighter jets, although specific technical details are yet to be finalized.

This missile development is part of a broader defense strategy that also includes the creation of a 6th-generation aircraft. Mitsubishi Heavy Industries is the primary developer of this new aircraft, unofficially known as the F-X or F-3. BAE Systems is actively participating in this project, which aims to replace Japan's aging fleet of Mitsubishi F-2 jets by the mid-2030s.

Initially, Japan and Britain had laid out plans to jointly develop next-generation fighter jets with stealth capabilities and drone coordination technology. Italy later joined the effort, making it a tri-nation initiative. Lockheed Martin Corp. from the United States was initially considered for technical support but was ultimately not chosen due to confidentiality concerns related to defense and security information.

With the initiation of this next-generation air-to-air missile project, the collaboration between Japan, Britain, and Italy appears to be oriented toward long-term engagement. This tri-nation partnership extends beyond a single project and could potentially encompass future technological developments in defense. The alliance reflects a mutual interest among the three countries in addressing global security concerns through cooperative efforts. As such, the collaboration is expected to continue, given the shared objectives in the evolving landscape of international security

https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2023-news-aviation-aerospace/august/9186-japan-britain-and-italy-forge-tri-nation-partnership-for-next-generation-air-to-air-missile.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/09/2023 | 23:07 uur
US Navy F/A-XX programme

PUBLISHED: 05 SEPTEMBER 2023   LAST UPDATED: 05 SEPTEMBER 2023

The US Department of the Navy stated that three US aerospace defense contractors are competing to build the US Navy's Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) strike fighter aircraft, known as the F/A-XX. The contractors are Boeing, Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman.

The Department also stated that Pratt & Whitney and GE Aerospace are the engine competitors.

The F/A-XX programme has now entered the next phase, from the Concept Refinement Phase to the Design Maturation Phase. The idea of crewed and uncrewed variants is still open, it might even become a mix.

The F/A-XX will replace the current fleet of F/A-18E and F/A-18F Super Hornets, which are already showing their age.

According to a Congressional Budget Office report, the Super Hornet is deteriorating faster than the fleet of classic F/A-18A/B/C/D Hornets which the service used before. The faster wear and tear even results in lower availability rates for the Super Hornets versus its predecessor compared to similiar age.

Replacement of the Super Hornets is planned to start from 2030.

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Photo by Marco Dijkshoorn (Scramble Archive)

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/us-navy-f-a-xx-programme
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 07/09/2023 | 22:36 uur
Lockheed Martin delays F-35 deliveries further because of TR-3 issues

07 SEPTEMBER 2023

by Gareth Jennings

Lockheed Martin has had to delay again the delivery of Technology Refresh 3 (TR-3)-standard F-35 Lightning II combat aircraft to international customers as it looks to finalise software developments.

The manufacturer announced the move on 6 September, saying that TR-2 configuration aircraft will continue to be delivered as planned.

"We have updated our F-35 TR-3 schedule projections with a first TR-3 aircraft delivery between April and June 2024. As a result, we now expect to deliver 97 aircraft in 2023, all in the TR-2 configuration. We are producing F-35s at a rate of 156 per year and expect to continue at that pace while simultaneously working to finalise TR-3 software development and testing," Lockheed Martin said. "Additionally, we remain focused on receiving the necessary hardware from our suppliers to deliver this critical combat capability for the F-35," the company added.

News of the extended delay of TR-3 deliveries through to the second quarter of 2024 came weeks after the company had to trim its planned delivery rate for 2023 from 147–153 aircraft down to 100–120 aircraft, also because of delays in developing the TR-3 upgrade.

Up to that announcement in mid-July, Lockheed Martin had delivered 50 TR-2 jets to customers. It said at that time that it "remained fully dedicated" to delivering its first TR-3 aircraft in 2023. The company noted that it had not changed its expectation that annual deliveries will increase to 156 F-35s in 2025 and "the foreseeable future". Lockheed Martin delivered 141 F-35s in 2022. It is unclear if this latest delay will impact this expectation.

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/lockheed-martin-delays-f-35-deliveries-further-because-of-tr-3-issues

Lockheed Martin trims F-35 jet delivery outlook after supplier delays

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/lockheed-martin-trims-f-35-jet-delivery-outlook-2023-09-06/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 08/09/2023 | 06:22 uur
Poland Eyeing F-15EX Buy Amid Weapons Buying Spree

Poland has an active interest in buying F-15EX Eagle II fighters, according to the jet's manufacturer Boeing. This announcement comes amid continued uncertainty about the U.S. Air Force's F-15EX plans and a massive Polish defense spending spree that has already included the purchase of new combat aircraft.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/poland-eyeing-f-15ex-buy-amid-weapons-buying-spree
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/09/2023 | 08:26 uur
De interesse voor de F-15EX begint te groeien ! Indonesië, Polen

Voor de Polen snap ik wel de interesse, de Mig-29 en de SU-22 willen ze vervangen, met de F-15EX hebben ze een hele goede mix, namelijk F-15EX, F-35A, F-16C/D en FA-50GF.
Maar kun je deze mix met 4 vliegtuigtypen wel betalen, onderhouden ?

De defensie investeringen van Polen zit op ca. 4% ! dat is nog meer dan de Amerikanen

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Enforcer op 08/09/2023 | 08:35 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 08/09/2023 | 08:26 uurMaar kun je deze mix met 4 vliegtuigtypen wel betalen, onderhouden ?

De defensie investeringen van Polen zit op ca. 4% ! dat is nog meer dan de Amerikanen

Hoe duur is een oorlog?

Kan zijn dat ze de F16's op termijn doorschuiven naar Oekraïne.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Lynxian op 08/09/2023 | 11:07 uur
Citaat van: Enforcer op 08/09/2023 | 08:35 uurHoe duur is een oorlog?

Kan zijn dat ze de F16's op termijn doorschuiven naar Oekraïne.
Dat is geen slechte gedachte. Dan houden ze F35 en F15EX over voor hun hoofdmacht en de FA-50GF voor het opleiden van de vele piloten die ze nodig gaan hebben.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/09/2023 | 12:08 uur
extra info :

Boeing offers F-15EX for Poland, but details are scant

Boeing declined to talk about "price and delivery schedule" on a potential F-15EX sale to Warsaw, but clearly has high hopes for Poland as a market.

Boeing today announced it is actively seeking to sell its F-15EX fighter aircraft to Poland — but for now, both sides are keeping their cards close to their chest.

Boeing held a Thursday press conference at the annual MSPO defense trade exhibition, although offered little in the way of details about what a potential F-15EX buy would look like.

Rob Novotny, director of business development for Boeing's F-15 program, declined to talk about "price and delivery schedule" for the American firm's offering to Warsaw. He also acknowledged that "there is no negotiations and no contract talks, only some conversations with Polish Air Force."

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https://breakingdefense.com/2023/09/boeing-offers-f-15ex-for-poland-but-details-are-scant/

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/09/2023 | 22:33 uur
Lockheed Martin Statement: First TR-3 Delivery

SEPTEMBER 06, 2023

We have updated our F-35 TR-3 schedule projections with a first TR-3 aircraft delivery between April and June 2024. As a result, we now expect to deliver 97 aircraft in 2023, all in the TR-2 configuration. We are producing F-35s at a rate of 156 per year and expect to continue at that pace while simultaneously working to finalize TR-3 software development and testing. Additionally, we remain focused on receiving the necessary hardware from our suppliers to deliver this critical combat capability for the F-35.

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/news/statements-speeches/2023/lockheed-martin-first-TR-3-delivery.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/09/2023 | 22:37 uur
Lockheed Martin And Slovak Republic Minister Of Defence Unveil Country's First F-16 Block 70 Aircraft

GREENVILLE, S.C, Sept. 7, 2023 – The first F-16 Block 70 aircraft for the Slovak Republic was unveiled at Lockheed Martin's (NYSE: LMT) facility in Greenville, South Carolina, during a visit from the country's Minister of Defence, Martin Sklenár.

The Slovak Republic will be the first European country to receive this newest and most capable version of the Fighting Falcon. The F-16 Block 70 aircraft will deliver decades of 21st Century Security capabilities in support of the Slovak Republic's national security. 

"These F-16s will enable the Slovak Air Force to stay ahead of threats in the region, and be part of the allied mission in Europe, NATO and around the world," said OJ Sanchez, vice president, Integrated Fighter Group at Lockheed Martin. "This jet represents the strong partnership between Lockheed Martin, the United States, the Slovak Republic and allies."

This F-16 Block 70 jet is the first of 14 to be delivered to the Slovak Republic.

About the F-16

The F-16 (https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/f-16.html?_gl=1*1j6dd2n*_ga*MTQ2MjY5OTMwLjE1OTY2NDU4MDA.*_ga_RN6SVSR76N*MTYzNDIyMTUzMi42Ny4xLjE2MzQyMjM5NTkuMA..&_ga=2.266404680.712444130.1633960548-146269930.1596645800) is a strategic and valuable choice for many customers around the world seeking advanced fighter aircraft capabilities, regional and worldwide partnerships, and affordable lifecycle costs. More than 3,100 F-16s are operating today in 25 countries. The F-16 has flown an estimated 19.5 million flight hours and at least 13 million sorties. Today's latest version, the Block 70/72, offers unparalleled capabilities and will be flown by six countries and counting.

About Lockheed Martin

Headquartered in Bethesda, Maryland, Lockheed Martin Corporation is a global security and aerospace company that employs approximately 116,000 people worldwide and is principally engaged in the research, design, development, manufacture, integration and sustainment of advanced technology systems, products and services.

Please follow @LMNews on Twitter for the latest announcements and news across the corporation.

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Minister of Defence of the Slovak Republic Martin Sklenár (left) and Vice President of the Integrated Fighter Group at Lockheed Martin OJ Sanchez (right)

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This F-16 Block 70 jet is the first of 14 to be delivered to the Slovak Republic.

https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2023-09-07-Lockheed-Martin-and-Slovak-Republic-Minister-of-Defence-Unveil-Countrys-First-F-16-Block-70-Aircraft#assets_all
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/09/2023 | 13:50 uur
Spain launches Halcon II follow-on buy of Eurofighter combat aircraft

Spain has officially launched its anticipated Halcon II follow-on buy of Eurofighter Typhoon combat aircraft, budgetary documents released by the government show.

Published by the Council of Ministers on 12 September, the documents say that 25 additional Eurofighters (designated C.16 in national service) will be acquired to replace the Boeing EF-18 Hornet (C.15M) aircraft that the Spanish Air Force (Ejército del Aire Español: EdAE) is decommissioning from 2030.

"The C.15M aircraft fleet is currently about to begin the process of decommissioning, scheduled for around 2030, so it is necessary to replace it. This requires the acquisition of 25 new EF2000 [Eurofighter] aircraft, engines, and associated mission support systems," the council said. A Eurofighter spokesperson confirmed to Janes that this represents the launch of the Halcon II procurement rather than an expansion of the previous Halcon I buy of 20 aircraft.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/defence/latest/spain-launches-halcon-ii-follow-on-buy-of-eurofighter-combat-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 18/09/2023 | 09:08 uur
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A first Dassault Aviation Rafale B for the Croatian air force has been photographed in flight at Saint-Dizier air base in France.

Zagreb in 2021 signed a contract to acquire a dozen Rafales sourced from French air force stocks to replace its Soviet-era Mikoyan MiG-21s. It will receive 10 single-seat Cs and two B-model examples.

Pictured at Saint-Dizier on 14 September, two-seat aircraft 701 sports Croatian markings, including a two-tone-grey tail.

Croatia's secondhand aircraft are around 14 years old, but have a remaining operational airframe life of roughly 3,800 flight hours each.

A first batch of 12 Croatian air force pilots started their training for operating the type at Saint-Dizier earlier this year. In total, France will provide instruction for around 80 Croatian personnel over a period of approximately 18 months.

First aircraft deliveries are expected late this year, with eight Rafales scheduled to arrive in Croatia during 2024 and the remainder to follow in early 2025.

https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/first-croatian-air-force-rafale-b-takes-flight/154978.article
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 20/09/2023 | 09:55 uur
The Status of the F-35 Programme (lang artikel van de Finse luchtmacht)

https://ilmavoimat.fi/en/-/the-status-of-the-f-35-programme
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 22/09/2023 | 09:30 uur
Australië is bereid af te zien van de aankoop van 30 F-35 Lightning II gevechtsvliegtuigen van de vijfde generatie ter vervanging van de F/A-18F Super Hornet.

https://gagadget.com/nl/aviation/317875-australie-is-bereid-af-te-zien-van-de-aankoop-van-30-f-35-lightning-ii-gevechtsvliegtuigen-van-de-vijfde-generat/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 28/09/2023 | 08:46 uur
Czech government greenlights deal for 24 F-35s

The $5 billion deal would see Prague get all 24 F-35As by 2035, while extending a lease of older Saab Gripen jets thorough that date.

.../...

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/09/czech-government-greenlights-deal-for-24-f-35s/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/09/2023 | 09:06 uur
F-15EX Fleet Too Small For What Commanders Want Out Of It

Air Force leadership touts the F-15EX's unique abilities and mission sets, but most of the 104 jet fleet will have to focus on one thing.

An important theme to come out of the Air & Space Forces Association's main annual symposium this year was the unique mix of capabilities the new F-15EX Eagle II fighter offers and how those attributes will be in very high demand. Air Force leadership constantly spotlighted what the F-15EX will bring to the table, especially in the context of a Pacific fight.

The Eagle IIs are especially well-positioned to act as airborne controllers for future Collaborative Combat Aircraft and other drones, be launch platforms for hypersonic weapons and other large munitions, and provide new advanced electronic warfare capabilities. These roles are beyond its central counter-air focus and its task of helping to protect the U.S. homeland.

What isn't being addressed is how the Air Force can hope to make the most of what the F-15EX has to offer with a planned fleet of just over 100 jets, many of which will be tasked primarily to perform the aforementioned homeland defense mission, especially in a time of major crisis or war.

The War Zone previously explored the many pitfalls of a truncated Eagle II purchase in great detail when the Air Force said it would only buy around 80 of the jets. The Air Force currently plans to acquire 104 Eagle IIs in total, still down from an originally planned minimum fleet size of at least 144.

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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/f-15ex-fleet-too-small-for-what-commanders-want-out-of-it
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/09/2023 | 09:31 uur
Citaat van: The Drive op 29/09/2023 | 09:06 uurF-15EX Fleet Too Small For What Commanders Want Out Of It

Air Force leadership touts the F-15EX's unique abilities and mission sets, but most of the 104 jet fleet will have to focus on one thing.

An important theme to come out of the Air & Space Forces Association's main annual symposium this year was the unique mix of capabilities the new F-15EX Eagle II fighter offers and how those attributes will be in very high demand. Air Force leadership constantly spotlighted what the F-15EX will bring to the table, especially in the context of a Pacific fight.

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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/f-15ex-fleet-too-small-for-what-commanders-want-out-of-it


De toekomstige vloot F-15EX is te klein. Niet alleen de F-15C/D gaat eruit, maar er zijn ook plannen voor het verkleinen van de F-15E vloot (van 218 stuks naar 99 stuks).

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-f-15e-senate-ndaa-debate/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/09/2023 | 10:37 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 29/09/2023 | 09:31 uurDe toekomstige vloot F-15EX is te klein. Niet alleen de F-15C/D gaat eruit, maar er zijn ook plannen voor het verkleinen van de F-15E vloot (van 218 stuks naar 99 stuks).

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-f-15e-senate-ndaa-debate/

De USAF is zo-wie-zo aan het verkleinen. Steeds minder van alle 4th gen toestellen, maar de F-35 als (alleskunner) vervanger wordt in mindere aantallen geproduceerd en aangeschaft.

Ook de drang om de A-10's eruit te gooien is iets wat al langere tijd speelt.

The A-10 is retiring and the Air Force has no close air support replacement
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/air-force-close-air-support-a-10-retire/
Beyond the BRRRT!
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/09/2023 | 10:45 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 29/09/2023 | 10:37 uurDe USAF is zo-wie-zo aan het verkleinen. Steeds minder van alle 4th gen toestellen, maar de F-35 als (alleskunner) vervanger wordt in mindere aantallen geproduceerd en aangeschaft.

Ook de drang om de A-10's eruit te gooien is iets wat al langere tijd speelt.

The A-10 is retiring and the Air Force has no close air support replacement
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/air-force-close-air-support-a-10-retire/
Beyond the BRRRT!

Dat van de A-10 was al bekend. 2030 komt steeds dichterbij. De F-15EX kan de F-15E aanvullen, mits in de juiste hoeveelheid.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/09/2023 | 10:55 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 29/09/2023 | 10:45 uurDat van de A-10 was al bekend. 2030 komt steeds dichterbij. De F-15EX kan de F-15E aanvullen, mits in de juiste hoeveelheid.
Klopt,
Maar er zal wel iets ter vervanging van CAS gevonden moeten worden. Ik snap opzich wel dat een A-10 in een toekomstige "battlefield" een kleine overlevingskans heeft. Maar hoe dat dan wel opgevuld moet worden ? alles van afstand op grote hoogte ?  of juist met Arty/ MLRS met precisie-munitie ? of drone's ?

Er zal vanaf de grond flink geinvesteerd worden in SHORAD, dat kun je nu wel zien aan de oorlog in Oekraïne. En dit zal ook weer bestreden moeten worden. en zo is de cirkel weer rond.   
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/09/2023 | 11:18 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 29/09/2023 | 10:55 uurKlopt,
Maar er zal wel iets ter vervanging van CAS gevonden moeten worden. Ik snap opzich wel dat een A-10 in een toekomstige "battlefield" een kleine overlevingskans heeft. Maar hoe dat dan wel opgevuld moet worden ? alles van afstand op grote hoogte ?  of juist met Arty/ MLRS met precisie-munitie ? of drone's ?

De USAF/AFRes/ANG hebben een luxe positie met de A-10 als dedicated CAS platform. CAS wordt ook door alle andere type fast jets uitgevoerd.

Vermoed dat de toekomstige LRAM (Long-Range Attack Munition) vaak voor CAS zal worden ingezet.

https://gagadget.com/en/rockets/322720-the-lram-long-range-munition-for-f-35-fighter-jets-mv-22-convertoplanes-and-ah-1z-helicopters-will-have-a-maximum/

https://gagadget.com/en/321916-the-us-is-developing-a-revolutionary-lram-barrage-munition-with-a-range-of-hundreds-of-kilometres-for-the-f-35-lightning-/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/09/2023 | 11:31 uur
Maar kan in de toekomst ook CAS gegeven worden op 50 a 100 meter voor je troepen/eenheden ? of nog dichterbij ?

Voor mijn gevoel moet je dan een goede SA hebben vanuit de lucht om die ondersteuning te kunnen geven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/09/2023 | 11:52 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 29/09/2023 | 11:31 uurMaar kan in de toekomst ook CAS gegeven worden op 50 a 100 meter voor je troepen/eenheden ? of nog dichterbij ?

Voor mijn gevoel moet je dan een goede SA hebben vanuit de lucht om die ondersteuning te kunnen geven.

Op welke afstand en op welke hoogte weet ik niet. Wel zal CAS linksom of rechtsom toch worden uitgevoerd. Dat is gelukkig niet afhankelijk van de A-10 (blijft natuurlijk wel een bruut vliegtuig).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 29/09/2023 | 12:26 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 29/09/2023 | 11:52 uurOp welke afstand en op welke hoogte weet ik niet. Wel zal CAS linksom of rechtsom toch worden uitgevoerd. Dat is gelukkig niet afhankelijk van de A-10 (blijft natuurlijk wel een bruut vliegtuig).

Ja,  :big-smile:  A-10 en F-14 blijven favoriet voor mij !

A-10 Wrattenzwijn alleen dat geluid al  8)  ...  BBBBbbbbrrrrrrrrrt... zo mooi

(https://st2.depositphotos.com/5177277/10670/i/450/depositphotos_106705172-stock-photo-a-10-warthog-thunderbolt-ii.jpg)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Poleme op 29/09/2023 | 15:34 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 29/09/2023 | 11:31 uurMaar kan in de toekomst ook CAS gegeven worden op 50 a 100 meter voor je troepen/eenheden ? of nog dichterbij ?
Voor mijn gevoel moet je dan een goede SA hebben vanuit de lucht om die ondersteuning te kunnen geven.
Situation Awareness / omstandigheden overzicht / beeldvorming is bij elke oorlogshandeling noodzaak.

Close Air Support op zeer korte afstanden wordt in Oekraïne gegeven door bewapende RPV's. Die kosten slechts 500 US dollar.  Voorzien van 1 of twee 84mm mortier granaten vliegen ze dan een tank, artillerie stuk of APC binnen.  Een Javelin ATGW doet hetzelfde, maar kost wel circa 80.000 USD dollar.  Su-25 Frogfoots aan beide kanten hebben zware verliezen geleden.  Moderne aanvalsheli's zoals de Kamov Ka-52 Alligator spelen een zeer belangrijke rol in CAS.  Waren door een aanvankelijk tekort aan Oekraïense SHORAD ook succesvol. Maar van de circa 133 kisten waren begin september 2023 al op zijn minst 43 stuks (32 %) neergehaald.  Russische aanvalsheli's gebruiken daarom in toenemende mate de LMUR raket (light multipurpose guided missile).  Deze heeft een groter bereik van 15 km, dan de 9K121 Vikhr met een dracht van 10 - 12 km.
Met de LMUR buiten het officiële bereik van de Iris-T SLS met 12 km, die al in Oekraïne ingezet wordt.  Maar de infrarood geleide Iris-T SLM(edium range) heeft een dracht van 40 km en een max. plafond van 20 km.  Deze is daar nog niet ingezet.

Ik heb een sterk vermoeden dat de CAS taak hoofdzakelijk uitgevoerd zal worden door een combi van onbewapende verkenning RPV's, bewapende RPV's, kamikaze RPV's, lange afstand houwitsers en MLRS met een combi van ongeleide en geleide munitie.  Plus een 'Uber' vuursteun app, die 30 seconden - enkele minuten na aanvraag vuursteun levert.


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 29/09/2023 | 19:08 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 29/09/2023 | 10:55 uurKlopt,
Maar er zal wel iets ter vervanging van CAS gevonden moeten worden. Ik snap opzich wel dat een A-10 in een toekomstige "battlefield" een kleine overlevingskans heeft. Maar hoe dat dan wel opgevuld moet worden ? alles van afstand op grote hoogte ?  of juist met Arty/ MLRS met precisie-munitie ? of drone's ?

Er zal vanaf de grond flink geinvesteerd worden in SHORAD, dat kun je nu wel zien aan de oorlog in Oekraïne. En dit zal ook weer bestreden moeten worden. en zo is de cirkel weer rond.   

De Close in 'Close Air Support' staat voor dichtbij bevriende troepen, niet voor hoe dicht het toestel dat de CAS levert moet komen. Technologische ontwikkelingen als de GBU-53/b en F-35A maken dat de A-10 snel zal worden vergeten.
De A-10 is verantwoordelijk voor meer blue on blue incidenten dan eender welk ander 'modern' toestel en de US Air Force probeert dat ding al goed 10 jaar te dumpen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 29/09/2023 | 19:41 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 29/09/2023 | 19:08 uurDe A-10 is verantwoordelijk voor meer blue on blue incidenten dan eender welk ander 'modern' toestel en de US Air Force probeert dat ding al goed 10 jaar te dumpen.

Dat is niet zo gek aangezien het een dedicated CAS toestel is en bij voorbaat vaker wordt ingezet voor CAS dan zeg een F-16. Natuurlijk is dat toestel daar verantwoordelijk voor, het zegt alleen helemaal niks.

Dit soort vergelijkingen zijn populistisch en hebben geen erkenning voor de ratio.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 29/09/2023 | 19:57 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 29/09/2023 | 19:41 uurDat is niet zo gek aangezien het een dedicated CAS toestel is en bij voorbaat vaker wordt ingezet voor CAS dan zeg een F-16. Natuurlijk is dat toestel daar verantwoordelijk voor, het zegt alleen helemaal niks.

Dit soort vergelijkingen zijn populistisch en hebben geen erkenning voor de ratio.



10% van de blue on blue incidenten op een totaal van 140000 gevlogen missie's. Faalbak met goeie PR.
https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2015/02/06/a-10-warplane-tops-list-for-friendly-fire-deaths/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 29/09/2023 | 20:15 uur
Citaat van: Stoonbrace op 29/09/2023 | 19:57 uur10% van de blue on blue incidenten op een totaal van 140000 gevlogen missie's. Faalbak met goeie PR.
https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2015/02/06/a-10-warplane-tops-list-for-friendly-fire-deaths/

Begrijp je het begrip 'ratio' niet?

Dit zijn dus de schoolvoorbeelden van conclusies die populistisch zijn, maar helaas gewoon niet kloppen. Natuurlijk heeft de A-10 een hoge blue on blue score zoals je zelf zegt is de beschrijving van CAS doelend op vuursteun met vriendelijke eenheden nabij.

Dat een toestel wat alleen maar wordt toegepast voor dergelijke missies hoog scoort is dan een logisch statistisch gegeven, een ander toestel krijgt niet dezelfde kansen om op het b.o.b. gehalte uit te kunnen komen, die   bevuren namelijk veel minder doelen die zich in de nabijheid van vriendelijke eenheden bevinden.

Je hoeft niet eens statistiek op de middelbare school te hebben gehad om dit te begrijpen en kan niet duidelijker uitleggen.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 29/09/2023 | 20:52 uur
"First, you better do no harm," a senior Army officer told USA TODAY. The officer commanded at high levels in Iraq and Afghanistan and, like other senior officers, has seen the A-10s work up close. "I didn't want any stinkin' A-10s flying unless they were going to drop a (satellite-guided bomb) or other precision-guided munition."
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 29/09/2023 | 21:09 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 29/09/2023 | 20:59 uurDiezelfde bron zegt toch:

"In close-air-support missions in which weapons were dropped in Afghanistan, the A-10 has a slightly lower percentage of civilian casualty incidents per missions flown than B-1 bombers or F-16 fighters."

Sowieso zijn het eigenlijk geen bruikbare statistieken op deze aantallen.

Ik verwacht niet dat de F35 die missie kan overnemen, maar misschien dat deze vlieger wel een goed idee heeft:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/a-10-pilots-compelling-case-for-replacing-warthogs-with-super-hornets (https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/a-10-pilots-compelling-case-for-replacing-warthogs-with-super-hornets)

En dat geeft exact duiding aan de cijfers, die indien deze naar rato worden gerangschikt aantonen dat een dergelijke conclusie als door stoonbrace getrokken onjuist is.

Ik denk dat een A-10 achtig toestel zijn tijd heeft gehad. CAS rol zie ik over worden genomen door drones. Overlevingkansen zijn niet groot voor traag vliegende objecten.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 29/09/2023 | 21:13 uur
Het willen aanhouden van de A-10 is louter gebaseerd op nostalgische gedachten. De A10 is op het gebied van wapens, situational awareness, mission capability en zelf bescherming al lang en breed vooruitgestreefd door de F35 en F15EX. In high intensity conflicten is de A10 een bijzonder kwetsbaar platform wat zijn oorspronkelijke taak als anti tank platform al lang niet meer kan uitvoeren. Het is tijd voor pensioen voor dit toestel wat zijn nut meer dan eens heeft bewezen  ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/09/2023 | 22:26 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 29/09/2023 | 20:59 uurIk verwacht niet dat de F35 die missie kan overnemen, maar misschien dat deze vlieger wel een goed idee heeft:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/a-10-pilots-compelling-case-for-replacing-warthogs-with-super-hornets (https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/a-10-pilots-compelling-case-for-replacing-warthogs-with-super-hornets)

Waarom zou de F-35 de CAS taak niet kunnen overnemen? De huidige AV-8B en F/A-18C/D van de USMC voeren ook de CAS taak uit en deze taak wordt door de F-35B en F-35C overgenomen. Als zij hierin geen vertrouwen zouden hebben, waarom dan toch voor de F-35B en F-35C gaan?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 29/09/2023 | 23:02 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 29/09/2023 | 22:26 uurWaarom zou de F-35 de CAS taak niet kunnen overnemen? De huidige AV-8B en F/A-18C/D van de USMC voeren ook de CAS taak uit en deze taak wordt door de F-35B en F-35C overgenomen. Als zij hierin geen vertrouwen zouden hebben, waarom dan toch voor de F-35B en F-35C gaan?

F-35 veel te duur voor. Je hebt daar andere systemen voor.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 02/10/2023 | 23:03 uur
Czech government approves F-35A Lightning II purchase

PUBLISHED: 02 OCTOBER 2023   LAST UPDATED: 02 OCTOBER 2023

The Czech Government has approved the acquisition of 24 F-35 Lightning II fighters. The contract, which also includes ground equipment, weapons package and a simulator, has a total value of USD 4,6 billion (106 billion Czech Crowns) with deliveries planned from 2031.

Caslav air base will be the main operating base for the F-35s and for that reason the base will be renovated for a total of USD 1,9 billion (44 billion Czech Crowns).

The decision to acquire the F-35s means that the fourteen leased Saab JAS39 Gripens, twelve JAS39C single-seat and two JAS39D two-seat fighters, need to serve until 2035, when the transition to the F-35 is due to be completed.

Defense minister Jana Černochová said "The cost is a high price to pay but insisted it represents just 7.5% of upcoming defense spending between 2024 and 2034. Other projects such as the recapitalization of army mechanized brigades will not be threatened by the F-35 purchase. The Government already has fourteen industrial cooperation projects ready for the Czech industry following negotiations with Lockheed Martin and engine manufacturer Pratt & Whitney. They include the possibility of direct involvement in the global supply chain for F-35 aircraft".

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/czech-government-approves-f-35a-lightning-ii-purchase
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 03/10/2023 | 07:07 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 29/09/2023 | 21:09 uurEn dat geeft exact duiding aan de cijfers, die indien deze naar rato worden gerangschikt aantonen dat een dergelijke conclusie als door stoonbrace getrokken onjuist is.

Ik denk dat een A-10 achtig toestel zijn tijd heeft gehad. CAS rol zie ik over worden genomen door drones. Overlevingkansen zijn niet groot voor traag vliegende objecten.

Je CAS toestel moet niet traag vliegen als het z'n doelwitten niet eerst met een verrekijker moet uitzoeken om er vervolgens met een kanon op te schieten. Maak ook even verschil tussen CAS in expeditionaire Ops waarbij je een goedkope lange loitering time wil (en UAS dus het antwoord zijn) en een conventioneel conflict met contested airspace waarbij je alle kwaliteiten van de F-35 zal nodig hebben om überhaupt vuursteun te kunnen geven.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 03/10/2023 | 13:51 uur
Japan Prepares For F-35B Carrier Operations

As the first batch of Japanese F-35Bs should arrive in country next year, Japan is also planning on setting up new key units and facilities in preparation for their arrival and to support its future carrier operations...

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https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/10/japan-prepares-for-f-35b-carrier-operations/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Ace1 op 03/10/2023 | 18:24 uur
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/10/2023 | 14:42 uur
F-35 program finishes years-late tests needed for full production

By Stephen Losey  Friday, Sep 29

WASHINGTON — The F-35 program has completed a long-delayed series of crucial tests, which could pave the way for a decision next year to officially move the advanced fighter jet into full-rate production.

The Joint Simulation Environment tests, known as "runs for score," were finished Sept. 21, as was the initial trial validation, F-35 Joint Program Office spokesman Russell Goemaere said in an email to Defense News Friday.

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https://www.defensenews.com/air/2023/09/29/f-35-program-finishes-years-late-tests-needed-for-full-production/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/10/2023 | 14:48 uur
New Acquisition Report: F-15EX Unit Cost Will Be $94 Million

Oct. 3, 2023 | By John A. Tirpak

The F-15EX Eagle II unit cost will be $93.95 million per plane in then-year dollars, assuming the Air Force sticks with its plan to buy 104 of the fighters and Congress concurs, the service said in its most recent annual Selected Acquisition Report.

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https://www.airandspaceforces.com/new-acquisition-report-f-15ex-unit-cost/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 10/10/2023 | 08:13 uur
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Rendering van Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP) ... mooie plaat !
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 10/10/2023 | 08:57 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 10/10/2023 | 08:13 uur(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5zvgaLW0AAlqGz?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
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Rendering van Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP) ... mooie plaat !

Zeker. Vraag mij af wat de omvang van dit type zal worden. SCAF wordt bijvoorbeeld duidelijk groter dan de Eurofighter Typhoon en de Rafale.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/10/2023 | 08:33 uur
U.S. clears transfer of 24 F-16s to Argentina

The U.S. State Department has cleared the transfer of 24 F-16s from Denmark to Argentina. Deputy Assistant Secretary for Regional Security in the State Department, Mira Resnick, delivered the letter approving the transfer to Jorge Argüello, Argentina's ambassador to United States on Oct. 11.

Also cleared was the transfer of four P-3 maritime patrol aircraft from Norway to Argentina. The Argentinian government will now have to decide whether to accept the offer from the United States.

https://alert5.com/2023/10/12/u-s-clears-transfer-of-24-f-16s-to-argentina/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 13/10/2023 | 08:40 uur
Welk aanbod van de VS?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/10/2023 | 09:01 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 13/10/2023 | 08:40 uurWelk aanbod van de VS?

Dit loopt al sinds zeker begin augustus.

Argentina gets closer to US green light for F-16 and P-3 deals

Published: 09 August 2023    Last Updated: 09 August 2023

Argentina is one step closer in obtaining a new fighter jet, after numerous attempts, facing financial problems and boycots from the United Kingdom.

The Biden administration recently asked the US Congress to approve the sale of former Flyvevåbnet (RDAF, Royal Danish Air Force) F-16s for possible export to Argentina. This permission is required because of the contract F-16 users have with the United States. The value of the 38 F-16s involved, up to six F-16 Block 10 and up to 32 F-16 Block 15 variant, is USD 339 million.

Along with this requested permission, a positive decision on the four Luftforsvaret (RNoAF, Royal Norwegian Air Force) P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft was also asked. This is valued at around USD 108 million.

Next steps after Congress grants permission will be to work out the details, formalising the contracts and finding the millions to pay for all of this. Scramble Magazine suspects that the United Kingdom will urge Denmark not to go through with this deal. But maybe the US have finally also convinced the UK that their worries over the Falkland Islands do not merit driving Argentina into China's arms, the latter country being willing to provide JF-17 fighters.

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/argentina-gets-closer-to-us-green-light-for-f-16-and-p-3-deals
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 24/10/2023 | 10:32 uur
Saudi Arabia considers purchasing French Dassault Rafale jets

Saudi Arabia is considering the purchase of 54 multi-role Dassault Rafale fighter jets from France, marking what could be the kingdom's first-ever acquisition of a French combat aircraft. According to reports from the French financial newspaper La Tribune, Riyadh has officially requested a complete quote from Dassault Aviation and has set a deadline of November 10 for the company's response.

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https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2023-news-aviation-aerospace/october/9313-saudi-arabia-considers-purchasing-french-dassault-rafale-jets.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 24/10/2023 | 18:21 uur
Verzamel ze allemaal.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 31/10/2023 | 15:55 uur
Spanish Navy eagerly awaiting decision on purchase of F-35B fighter-bombers

In Opex360, Laurent Lagneau reminds us that the Spanish Navy (Flotilla de Aeronaves, FLOAN) has been equipped with AV-8B Harrier II fighter-bombers for nearly 40 years. Currently, there are 13 aircraft in service with the 9th Aeronautical Squadron, which operates from the amphibious assault ship Juan Carlos I. Their retirement is planned for around 2030, with maintenance assured until 2028.

Although these aircraft have been modernized since their introduction, including being upgraded to the EAV-8B+ Matador II standard between 1996 and 2003, they will soon reach the end of their operational life. However, at the moment, no decision has been made regarding their potential replacement. This is causing concern for Captain José Emilio Regodón Gómez, the commander of FLOAN.

So far, the only decisions made by the Spanish government regarding FLOAN have involved ordering new MH-60R and H135 helicopters (NH-90 in transport version) and notifying Airbus of a new contract for the operational maintenance of its aircraft, including the AV-8B Harrier II.

To replace its combat aircraft, FLOAN has limited options, with the only suitable option being the Lockheed Martin F-35B, specifically the STOVL (Short Takeoff and Vertical Landing) version of the fighter-bomber. However, the cost of these aircraft and the potential political implications of the decision have delayed the acquisition. Captain Gómez believes that the indecision has gone on for long enough. Furthermore, he argues that not replacing the Harrier II would pose a problem since such carrier-based fighter-bombers are the only ones capable of effectively supporting amphibious operations or naval forces.

https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2023-news-aviation-aerospace/october/9332-spanish-navy-eagerly-awaiting-decision-on-purchase-of-f-35b-fighter-bombers.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 07/11/2023 | 22:38 uur
Sweden Preparing For Future Combat Aircraft Studies

LE BOURGET—Sweden's defense materiel agency FMV is awaiting political approval to begin studies into a new-generation combat aircraft beyond the new Saab Gripen E.

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The studies, to be carried out by the FMV, are due to get underway in the near future. They will primarily be a fact-finding effort and involve discussions with other air forces, an examination of other national programs and exploring the capabilities of national industry, Brigadier General Lars Helmrich, the director of the Air and Space Systems Division at Sweden's FMV, told journalists during the annual gathering of the Swedish Air Force Fan Club on the eve of the Paris Air Show.

"It's not about procurement of the sixth generation, it is about asking the question about how we procure it," Helmrich said.

Helmrich said it was too early to discuss any potential outcomes of the studies but noted that Sweden's combat aircraft requirements were "out of sync" with the efforts of Italy, Japan and the UK's Global Combat Air Program (GCAP) and those of France, Germany and Spain's Future Combat Air System (FCAS), because Sweden had already invested in the development and procurement of the Gripen E platform. Helmrich also noted that both crewed combat aircraft set to emerge from FCAS and GCAP are twin-engine and too large to fit around Sweden's doctrine of dispersed basing to improve survivability. Both the GCAP and FCAS manned fighters are expected to be at least a third larger and heavier than the aircraft they will go on to replace.

It is likely that any Swedish future combat aircraft would likely first replace the Gripen C/D models which the Swedish Air Force is extending the life of to give it more mass in the face of the regional security situation following Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

The upgraded Gripen C/Ds will be expected to operate well into the 2030s.

Alternatively, the FCAS studies could conclude that Sweden purchases more Gripen Es in the future, Helmrich suggested, which would help Sweden and Saab preserve its combat aircraft development capability.

The new studies come after Sweden elected not to pursue continued involvement in the UK's future fighter effort which evolved and expanded into GCAP, although Helmrich suggested there was still a "political arrangement" and "sharing of information" in place. This appears to confirm statements made by Saab's CEO, Micael Johansson who has previously described Sweden's relationship with the program as a "sort of hibernation," remaining part of the program, but not actively involved.

Helmrich, and air chief Maj. Gen. Jonas Wikman were reluctant to discuss details of the Gripen C/D upgrade program, for which Saab was awarded study contracts worth SEK3.5 billion ($340 million) in April. Helmrich did say that the program would remove obsolescence from the Gripen C/D's nervous system and upgrade the mechanically scanned radar, but not add an active electronically scanned array such as that developed by Saab for the platform. Wikman said the Swedish air force would be strengthened by the upgraded Gripen C/Ds which would act as a fourth-generation platform to the fifth-generation capabilities provided by the more advanced Gripen E.

"With two different versions, that gives us the possibility to combine fourth-generation capabilities and fifth-generation capabilities, enhancing our strength from different platforms," Wikman said.

https://aviationweek.com/shownews/paris-air-show/sweden-preparing-future-combat-aircraft-studies
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 08/11/2023 | 10:45 uur
Ben dan wel benieuwd naar hoe de Zweden tegen het vernieuwde concept van lucht oorlogsvoering aan kijken dan. Per definitie zullen toestellen van de 6e generatie zware 2 motor aangedreven toestellen worden.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/11/2023 | 11:11 uur
Citaat van: Benji87 op 08/11/2023 | 10:45 uurPer definitie zullen toestellen van de 6e generatie zware 2 motor aangedreven toestellen worden.

Dat is afhankelijk van hoeveel types binnen dat tijdsbestek het levenslicht zullen zien. Niet elk land heeft behoefte aan een type met een omvang van een F-14 of F-15.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 08/11/2023 | 11:26 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/11/2023 | 11:11 uurDat is afhankelijk van hoeveel types binnen dat tijdsbestek het levenslicht zullen zien. Niet elk land heeft behoefte aan een type met een omvang van een F-14 of F-15.

Nee dat klopt en daarom is het ook wel interessant om te zien naar hoe de Zweden hier over denken. De partijen die nu een 6e generatie fighter ontwikkelen gaan nu namelijk allemaal voor een stealth vliegtuig wat als moeder schip moet gaan functioneren voor drones. En dat zal dus sowieso uitlopen op een toestel van behoorlijke proporties. Dus hoe ziet Zweden dat voor zich? Kunnen zij ook zo'n concept ontwikkelen met een eenmotorig toestel of gaat Zweden voor 5th gen + ontwikkeling?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: pz op 08/11/2023 | 11:42 uur
Citaat van: Benji87 op 08/11/2023 | 11:26 uurNee dat klopt en daarom is het ook wel interessant om te zien naar hoe de Zweden hier over denken. De partijen die nu een 6e generatie fighter ontwikkelen gaan nu namelijk allemaal voor een stealth vliegtuig wat als moeder schip moet gaan functioneren voor drones. En dat zal dus sowieso uitlopen op een toestel van behoorlijke proporties. Dus hoe ziet Zweden dat voor zich? Kunnen zij ook zo'n concept ontwikkelen met een eenmotorig toestel of gaat Zweden voor 5th gen + ontwikkeling?

Ik denk dat Zweden verder gaat met het door ontwikkelen van een eenmotorig toestel. Ze waren daar al mee bezig het concept Flugsystem 2020 (FS2020).

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/11/2023 | 12:43 uur
Citaat van: pz op 08/11/2023 | 11:42 uurIk denk dat Zweden verder gaat met het door ontwikkelen van een eenmotorig toestel. Ze waren daar al mee bezig het concept Flugsystem 2020 (FS2020).



Dat lijkt een gepasseerd station, maat niet onmogelijk, er is markt voor een kleine zesde generatie kist.

Ik wacht geen nieuw eigen model meer van Saab, ik verwacht dat zij zich zullen aansluiten bij GCAP (Tempest). Een Saab Loyal Wingman type zie ik dan wel weer al een goede mogelijkheid voor de Zweden.

Het huidige partnerschap met Boeing zou misschien ook aansluiting kunnen bieden als Boeing de USN F/A-XX gegund krijgt.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/11/2023 | 12:49 uur
Citaat van: Benji87 op 08/11/2023 | 11:26 uurNee dat klopt en daarom is het ook wel interessant om te zien naar hoe de Zweden hier over denken. De partijen die nu een 6e generatie fighter ontwikkelen gaan nu namelijk allemaal voor een stealth vliegtuig wat als moeder schip moet gaan functioneren voor drones. En dat zal dus sowieso uitlopen op een toestel van behoorlijke proporties. Dus hoe ziet Zweden dat voor zich? Kunnen zij ook zo'n concept ontwikkelen met een eenmotorig toestel of gaat Zweden voor 5th gen + ontwikkeling?

Als het MUM-T concept met een type met de grootte van een F-35 kan, dan zou Saab ook in staat moeten zijn om zoiets te ontwikkelen. Het is de vraag hoeveel de Zweedse overheid hierin wil investeren.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/11/2023 | 12:56 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/11/2023 | 12:49 uurHet is de vraag hoeveel de Zweedse overheid hierin wil investeren.

Saab wilde de FS2020, de Zweedse overheid zag dit om budgettaire reden niet zitten, het alternatief kennen we in de vorm van de Gripen E/F, waarbij ik vermoed dat dit het laatste 'autonome' gevechtsvliegtuig uit Zweden zal zijn. (al laat ik me graag verrassen).
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/11/2023 | 13:57 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/11/2023 | 12:56 uurSaab wilde de FS2020, de Zweedse overheid zag dit om budgettaire reden niet zitten, het alternatief kennen we in de vorm van de Gripen E/F, waarbij ik vermoed dat dit het laatste 'autonome' gevechtsvliegtuig uit Zweden zal zijn. (al laat ik me graag verrassen).
Mijn gevoel zegt dat we misschien wel verbaasd zullen worden door de Zweden.
Misschien dat de samenwerking met Boeing ook wel een optie zal zijn, zie ook de ontwikkeling van de T-7A Red Hawk trainer 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/11/2023 | 16:33 uur
Sweden commits to future fighter procurement decision in 2031: Official

A decision has not been made so far on an Initial Operating Capability (IOC) date for a future fighter, but a wide range of planning activities will inform the 2031 procurement decision, an official said.

After joining and then leaving the UK-led Future Combat Air System (FCAS), the Swedish military is now holding off on deciding its path to a next-generation fighter jet until 2031, after it can assess the "risks and possibilities" with different approaches, an official said today.

Three options are on the table for Stockholm: Either "build a system, develop a system with someone, or... acquire a system," said the official, speaking under Chatham House Rules at the International Fighter Conference here in Madrid. "It's an open question."

"We did have both bilateral and trilateral cooperation with Britain and also with Italy on the FCAS program," said the official. "We walked away from that about a year ago and started some national studies... connecting to what capabilities are needed for the future." The official declined to comment on the reason behind Sweden ending collaboration with the UK and Italy.

A decision has not been made by authorities so far on an Initial Operating Capability (IOC) date for whatever it chooses for a next-gen fighter, but a wide range of planning activities will inform the 2031 procurement decision.

Indicating some desired level of control by Sweden over a next-gen timeline, the official said Phase 1 will cover concept exploration between 2023 to 2025 with Phase 2 to address concept and technology development from 2026 to 2030. Operational analysis, system concepts and aircraft demonstrators are among the main lines of effort that are included across the two phases. Technology development activities will span from 2023 beyond 2030, while demonstrator planning will commence in 2026.

Disclosure of the long-term program planning comes after Sweden's defense material agency (FMV) confirmed in September that it was prioritizing future fighter studies and "fact finding," while Saab has also said it wants to be a "player" in the program, which would ideally include a role as a "systems of systems" integrator.

The French, German and Spanish Future Combat Air System (FCAS) program also known as SCAF and the Italian, Japanese and UK-led Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP), previously known as FCAS also, have both committed to a system-of-systems approach, where development of a next-generation fighter will allow them to control adjunct aircraft, effectors and sensors in ways previous combat jets have not been capable.

GCAP is expected to be in service from 2035, with FCAS five years later.

"One thing that has not been decided in Sweden is IOC for the next generation fighter, so therefore that is quite a challenge because we need to be agnostic. ... We can't just look into one technology level and align that [development] to an IOC time," said the official. He added that "risks" and "possibilities" must be weighed so a procurement decision can be reached, including what role Swedish government and industry would play in development.

"What has happened is that we have had a decision to go fully into a concept phase for the next-generation system, that [approval] happened the week after midsummer this year," explained the official. "So what we will do is, we will need to deliver concepts, both on the system [a new fighter] and also on a system-of-system level. We need to do technology development and integration activities. We need to build up the national competence both on the government side, but also on the industry side."

Sweden has time on its side to deliberate about which path to take for a future fighter procurement as Saab's Gripen E, the backbone of the Swedish Air Force, is meant to be operated until 2060. Older Gripen C/D aircraft are expected to be retired between 2035 and 2040, or beyond, because of the war in Ukraine, according to the official.

But holding off until the end of the decade to make a firm future fighter procurement commitment risks losing industrial influence over design requirements on GCAP or FCAS, if Stockholm so decides to join one or the other, though officials from each program have often stressed they continue to be open to new partners.

On that front, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia continues to express interest in joining GCAP, though the UK has said there is "no definitive timeline" associated with making a decision on Riyadh's potential involvement. Elsewhere, French President Emmanuel Macron announced in June that Belgium would join FCAS.

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/11/sweden-commits-to-future-fighter-procurement-decision-in-2031/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 08/11/2023 | 16:35 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/11/2023 | 12:49 uurAls het MUM-T concept met een type met de grootte van een F-35 kan, dan zou Saab ook in staat moeten zijn om zoiets te ontwikkelen. Het is de vraag hoeveel de Zweedse overheid hierin wil investeren.

Ik vind het daar nog wat te vroeg voor om te zeggen. Bij de F35 zit het ook allemaal nog maar in de concept fase en is de rol van de loyal wingman nog vrij beperkt. De concepten voor de huidige 6th gen fighters gaan veel verder dan dat. Daar willen ze de loyal wingman echt voorzien van air to ground en air to air capaciteit. Dat vereist grotere drones en zeer waarschijnlijk ook een groter toestel die ze kan lanceren en besturen. Maar tijd zal dat uit moeten wijzen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/11/2023 | 08:35 uur
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De eerste beelden van de Next Generation Fighter voor Zweden !  :P  ;D
Er wordt gezien de afbeeldingen samenwerking gezocht o.a. met Denemarken, Lego Group Billund en ook de Interstellair Sienar Fleet Group (Dark Site)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/11/2023 | 09:13 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 09/11/2023 | 08:35 uur(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-V9PcIXAAAxlhB?format=jpg&name=large)
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De eerste beelden van de Next Generation Fighter voor Zweden !  :P  ;D
Er wordt gezien de afbeeldingen samenwerking gezocht o.a. met Denemarken, Lego Group Billund en ook de Interstellair Sienar Fleet Group (Dark Site)

Dit is voor de Swedish Space Force  ;)  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 09/11/2023 | 09:46 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/11/2023 | 09:13 uurDit is voor de Swedish Space Force  ;)  ;D

Zie ook dat je het zelf in mekaar moet zetten. Dus kan je nu al op papier meegeven dat die planning nooit gehaald gaat worden  ;D
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 09/11/2023 | 10:16 uur
Colombia Selects Rafale, May Sign Contract This Week  ( :omg:  :confused:  :hrmph: , zeker een Franse deal  ;)  )

The Rafale has been selected by Colombia as its next superiority fighter, having beaten the F-16V, Eurofighter and Gripen in a protracted competition. Rafale was selected because it "is the best option for the country in terms of price, efficiency and operability," according to the Colombian President.

Having announced on Dec. 22 that it had selected the Dassault Rafale combat aircraft to replace its elderly Kfirs, Colombia may this week sign an initial contract worth about $680 million covering the first three or four aircraft, according to South American media reports.

Colombia plans to order a total of 16 aircraft: 12 single-seaters and four two-seaters, at a cost of $3.2 billion, for which the French will extend a 20-year loan with a grace period of five years, several media reported. Initial deliveries are planned for 2025, which implies that at least part of the order will consist of second-hand aircraft taken from the French Air and Space Force.

In a post on his Twitter account, the Colombian President's Office said that "the Rafale aircraft proposal is the best option for the country in terms of price, efficiency and operability," adding that "One flight hour of a Rafale plane is approx. 30% cheaper than that of a Kfir (estimated at 89 million pesos)," or approximately $16,900.

Various South American media report that this initial contract will also cover the integration of Colombia's systems and weapons, simulators for crew training, training of technical personnel and assistance from the French Air Force and Space. It will be signed by Colombian President Gustavo Petro and a senior executive from the French company, accompanied by diplomatic personnel from the French embassy. Petro, in a series of tweets posted Dec. 22, cautioned that "There are no signed contracts, it is a pre-negotiation! The offer that the Government will study has an estimated cost of up to $15 billion pesos (approx $3.15 billion) and not $26 billion, as has been said erroneously."

Colombia has been mulling the replacement of its Kfirs for several years, and had earlier this year short-listed three aircraft in addition to the Rafale: the Lockheed Martin F-16V Block 70 Viper, which was initially favored by the Colombian Air Force, the Saab Gripen, and second-hand Eurofighter Tranche 1.

F-16V offer too inflexible

While the F-16V initially led the field, it was eliminated during the selection process because the Colombian Air Force concluded that its electronic warfare system is inferior to that of the Israeli-made Kfirs now in service, and Lockheed was not willing to change it. Colombia also considers that its Python 5 air-to-air missiles are better than the versions of Sidewinder offered with the F-16V, but Lockheed refused to integrate the Python and Derby missiles and the Spice laser-guided bombs that the FAC now operates. The US government offered the F-16V with only Sidewinder and AMRAAM air-to-air missiles.

Gripen "second-best at everything"

The FAC also considered that the Gripen did not lead in any capability area, but "came second in everything," according to a Colombian official quoted by the Argentinian website Pucara. Gripen "is having major integration problems in Brazil with its air-to-air and air-to-surface systems, which are not fully operational, they are in a kind of Beta version," the official said. Furthermore, because production for Brazil and Sweden has priority, delivery times are very long.

Eurofighter most expensive, complex maintenance

Colombia's selection board found that the Eurofighter is a very capable aircraft, better than Rafale in some respects, but is very expensive and complex to maintain. The Colombian Air Force wanted to buy Tranche 3 aircraft, but it was offered only Tranche 1 and 2 for immediate delivery. Tranche 3 aircraft had very long delivery times, and financing costs were also higher than for the other competitors.

Rafale unrestricted, shortest delivery times

While Colombia was faced with an American refusal to adapt the F-16V, the high costs of the Eurofighter and the limitations of Gripen, the French marketing team in mid-2022 decided to improve its offer, Pucara reported, and removed end-user restrictions, which also existed on the Gripen and the Eurofighter. In addition, France agreed not only to provide Meteor air-to-air missiles, but also to integrate the Israeli-made Derby and Python 5 missiles and Spice bombs, "making it the most capable of all" the competitors, according to the Infodefensa website.

France also promised it could deliver the first aircraft one year after contract signature -- the shortest delivery time of all the competitors. This is essential because Kfir will be retired at the end of 2023, when they wll be 42 years old and will have served for 30 years in the Colombian Air Force. Their replacement is mandatory as the manufacturer no longer provides support, and spare parts are difficult to obtain.

In fact, the improved Rafale offer solved several of Colombia's problems. Its electronic warfare capability is customizable, and France will give Colombia access to the software source codes needed to modify it on its own. Rafale will also integrate Colombia's stock of Israeli-supplied weapons, reducing the need to replace them. Another advantage is that, since it was designed to operate from aircraft carriers, it can operate from short runways, a capability that the Typhoon and the F-16 cannot match. This allows them to operate in places like Tres Esquinas, Grupo Aéreo del Oriente and San Andrés airfields.

Rafale also requires less logistical support and is more versatile to operate. It is also more maneuverable, with a better thrust-to-weight ratio, and in addition has an AESA radar with better coverage than its competitors, according to local media reports.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/colombia-selects-rafale-may-sign-contract-this-week/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/11/2023 | 08:37 uur
What future for the formidable A-10 Thurderbolt II in its Close Air Support role?

The A-10 Thunderbolt II, commonly known as the Warthog, was developed by Fairchild Republic in the 1970s, primarily for the U.S. Air Force. It serves a critical role as a close air support (CAS) and ground-attack aircraft, designed to provide vital assistance to ground forces during combat operations. But several times in a row, its future has been threatened from various sides.

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Visually, the A-10 exhibits a distinct and robust appearance, characterized by its twin-engine, straight-wing configuration. It stands out with a high-mounted, straight tail featuring twin vertical stabilizers and a distinctive nose-mounted GAU-8/A Avenger 30mm rotary cannon.

In its role, the A-10 is tasked with engaging and neutralizing ground targets in close proximity to friendly forces. Additionally, it possesses the capability to perform forward air control (FAC) and combat search and rescue (CSAR) missions when required.

One of the aircraft's prominent features is the GAU-8/A Avenger 30mm cannon, capable of firing various ammunition types, including armor-piercing and high-explosive rounds. In addition to this formidable weapon, the A-10 can carry an assortment of other munitions, such as precision-guided bombs, rockets, and air-to-surface missiles.

The avionics systems on the A-10 are designed to support its operations in a low-altitude, close combat environment. These systems include a basic radar system, along with navigation and communication equipment.

The A-10's reputation for durability and survivability in combat is well-deserved. It is constructed to endure damage and remain operational, thanks to redundant systems and protective measures, including an armored cockpit and vital components.

While not known for exceptional speed or agility, the A-10 excels in its ability to loiter over a battlefield for extended periods, ensuring continuous support to ground troops. Its top speed and operational altitude are relatively modest when compared to more modern fighter aircraft.

Maintenance of the A-10 is simplified due to its straightforward airframe, facilitating maintenance and repairs even in austere conditions.

Throughout its history, the A-10 Thunderbolt II has seen extensive operational use by the USAF in various conflicts, including the Gulf War, Kosovo War, and the War on Terror. Its effectiveness in close air support roles has earned it a reputation as a valuable asset to ground forces.

However, it's essential to note some limitations of the A-10, including its vulnerability to modern air defense systems due to its lower speed and lack of advanced stealth features. Additionally, its air-to-air combat capabilities are limited.

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One of the A-10 Thunderbolt II's prominent features is its GAU-8/A Avenger 30mm cannon, capable of firing various ammunition types, including armor-piercing and high-explosive rounds, at a rate of fire of approximately 3,900 rounds per minute

A-10's future threatened

The discussions surrounding the potential replacement of the A-10 Thunderbolt II reflect the ongoing debate over the role of specialized close air support (CAS) aircraft in modern warfare. While the A-10 has proven its worth in supporting ground troops, it's essential for Congress to consider the evolving nature of conflicts and the need for adaptable and cost-effective solutions.

The A-10 has earned a legendary reputation for its durability and effectiveness in close air support missions, and any decision to replace it should not be taken lightly. Congress should thoroughly evaluate the capabilities and cost-effectiveness of potential replacements, ensuring that they can fulfill the critical role of supporting troops on the ground while also considering budget constraints and evolving military strategies.

Congressional threats to replace the A-10 highlight the complex balance between maintaining legacy platforms and investing in modern technology. It's crucial to recognize that while the A-10 has unique strengths, new threats and operational requirements may necessitate more advanced aircraft. The decision should be guided by a comprehensive assessment of current and future battlefield needs.

The A-10 replacement debate underscores the importance of a robust and transparent decision-making process. Congress should engage in a thorough analysis of the capabilities, costs, and operational requirements of potential replacements. Additionally, they should seek input from military experts and consider the perspectives of ground forces who rely on close air support.

The discussions regarding the A-10's replacement highlight the need for a balanced approach to modernizing the military's fleet. While the A-10 has been a workhorse in the CAS role, technology has evolved, and new threats have emerged. Congress should prioritize the development of aircraft that can effectively address current and future challenges while maintaining a commitment to supporting troops on the ground.

Congressional consideration of replacing the A-10 should include a thorough examination of the economic implications. The costs associated with developing, procuring, and maintaining new aircraft should be weighed against the potential benefits in terms of increased capabilities and mission flexibility. A well-informed decision-making process is essential to ensure responsible stewardship of taxpayer dollars.

The A-10 replacement debate highlights the need for a holistic approach to military modernization. Congress should focus not only on the aircraft itself but also on training, logistics, and support infrastructure to ensure a seamless transition. Additionally, they should consider the potential impact on the industrial base and the defense workforce when making decisions about replacing legacy platforms.

As Congress evaluates potential replacements for the A-10, it's crucial to maintain a long-term perspective. The chosen aircraft should not only meet current operational requirements but also have the flexibility to adapt to evolving threats and technologies. A thoughtful and strategic approach to modernization will ensure that the military remains prepared for the challenges of the future.

https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2023-news-aviation-aerospace/november/9355-what-future-for-the-formidable-a-10-thurderbolt-ii-in-its-close-air-support-role.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 14/11/2023 | 09:21 uur
F-15EX not currently at risk of schedule breach, despite delivery delays: USAF  ( CFT's zijn niet gebudgeteerd, pas in 2028. Dus F-15EX eerst zonder de extra wapen- en brandstofcapaciteit )

The first four lots of jets — almost half the total expected buy — will not come with conformal fuel tanks, a key part of the operational profile for what the service hopes will be its missile truck going forward.

The first batch of Boeing's F-15EX Eagle II fighters is running late, but not late enough to trigger a schedule breach if current plans hold, according to an Air Force spokesperson.

However, the service also confirmed that the first four lots of jets — about half the total expected buy — will not come with conformal fuel tanks, a decision that would reduce those fighters' potential ranges and limit their ability to conduct ground attack missions.

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The F-15EX can deliver more missiles than any other fighter in the Air Force's inventory, with a carrying capacity of up to 12. However, a Pentagon report released earlier this year revealed that the Air Force's "first operational F-15EX units" won't be outfitted with conformal fuel tanks (CFTs), and an Air Force spokesperson confirmed to Breaking Defense late last month that CFTs weren't funded for any of the 54 aircraft in production lots 1-4. (The two test aircraft currently in the Air Force's inventory have the CFTs.)

Those two CFTs per fighter provide hard points to mount ground-attack weapons, explained Boeing Chief F-15 Pilot Matt Giese on the sidelines of the Dubai Airshow. The fighter can still carry 12 missiles without the CFTs, but may mainly be tasked with air-to-air roles as a result, he said.

"I think it's the same capability air-to-air wise whether you're CFT or not, you just lose a lot of gas," Giese said, adding that the CFTs provide approximately an extra 9,000 pounds of fuel.

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https://breakingdefense.com/2023/11/f-15ex-not-currently-at-risk-of-schedule-breach-despite-delivery-delays-usaf/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 14/11/2023 | 10:34 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 13/11/2023 | 08:37 uurWhat future for the formidable A-10 Thurderbolt II in its Close Air Support role?

The A-10 Thunderbolt II, commonly known as the Warthog, was developed by Fairchild Republic in the 1970s, primarily for the U.S. Air ....

In dit artikel wordt zelfs al gesproken over een vervanger van de A10? Zit zoiets in de pijplijn dan of lopen daar studies naar?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 14/11/2023 | 11:05 uur
Citaat van: Benji87 op 14/11/2023 | 10:34 uurIn dit artikel wordt zelfs al gesproken over een vervanger van de A10? Zit zoiets in de pijplijn dan of lopen daar studies naar?

Ik gok een onbemand toestel zoals de MQ-9 Mojave.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 14/11/2023 | 19:05 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 14/11/2023 | 11:05 uurIk gok een onbemand toestel zoals de MQ-9 Mojave.

Als A-10 vervanger? No way onbemand. Hoogstens als battle buddy.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 14/11/2023 | 20:45 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 14/11/2023 | 19:05 uurAls A-10 vervanger? No way onbemand. Hoogstens als battle buddy.

Dat is het idee toch ook? Als je een F35 hebt met 1 of 2 loyal wingman(s) heb je een enorm arsenaal aan vuurkracht tot je beschikking. Volgens mij willen ze met de NGAD en FA-XX sowieso die kant op.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 14/11/2023 | 23:16 uur
Citaat van: Benji87 op 14/11/2023 | 20:45 uurDat is het idee toch ook? Als je een F35 hebt met 1 of 2 loyal wingman(s) heb je een enorm arsenaal aan vuurkracht tot je beschikking. Volgens mij willen ze met de NGAD en FA-XX sowieso die kant op.

Dan begreep ik het verkeerd. Maar het ligt er aan hoe CAS moet worden verleend. Een kanon biedt bepaalde voordelen.. indien dat danger close vuursteun vraagt wordt dat denk ik alleen een mens toevertrouwd.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 15/11/2023 | 08:32 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 14/11/2023 | 23:16 uurDan begreep ik het verkeerd. Maar het ligt er aan hoe CAS moet worden verleend. Een kanon biedt bepaalde voordelen.. indien dat danger close vuursteun vraagt wordt dat denk ik alleen een mens toevertrouwd.

Dat klopt, een kanon heeft voordelen maar ook zijn nadelen. Voor CAS missies, en dan met name in high intensity conflicts lijkt de A10 ook grotendeels afhankelijk te zijn van (on) geleide raketten en bommen.

Het is ook niet alsof het kanon uit het CAS  arsenaal gaat verdwijnen met de F35 in deze. De optie voor een 25mm kanon op de F35 wordt nog steeds aangeboden in de vorm van een GAU-12 25mm kanon op de F35A.

(https://i.postimg.cc/GtV6fyB2/IMG-4405.jpg)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 15/11/2023 | 08:48 uur
Niemand zegt toch dat het kanon verdwijnt. Wat wordt gezegd is; CAS met kanon gebeurt met mens.  Ook herft niemans het hier over de F-35 in een CAS rol zoals de A10 dat doet.

Ik volg je niet
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 15/11/2023 | 08:50 uur
F35A en C hebben een intergreerd boordkanon, alleen de B niet en daarvoor is die pod ontwikkeld.

Maar F-35 voor Close Air Support zoals de A10 het doet met zijn kanon ?  :hrmph: dat geloof ik niet
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 15/11/2023 | 08:53 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 15/11/2023 | 08:50 uurF35A en C hebben een intergreerd boordkanon, alleen de B niet en daarvoor is die pod ontwikkeld.

Maar F-35 voor Close Air Support zoals de A10 het doet met zijn kanon ?  :hrmph: dat geloof ik niet

Idd
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 15/11/2023 | 08:56 uur
Jongens, CAS draait niet in hoofdzaak rond gebruik van kanon. Al tijdens de Golfoorlog niet meer. De A-10 kan vervangen worden door de F-35/loyal wingman/MQ-9B, loitering munitions of smart artillery rounds. Network-centric warfare is een ding.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/11/2023 | 09:21 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 15/11/2023 | 08:50 uurF35A en C hebben een intergreerd boordkanon, alleen de B niet en daarvoor is die pod ontwikkeld.

Maar F-35 voor Close Air Support zoals de A10 het doet met zijn kanon ?  :hrmph: dat geloof ik niet

Alleen de F-35A heeft de GAU-22/A intern ;) De F-35B en de F-35C gebruiken de GPU-9 gun pod. De F-35B en de F-35C hebben hun eigen GPU-9 uitvoering i.v.m. verschil onderkant romp.

Het GAU-22/A kanon is goed als back-up voor wanneer het uitkomt (air-to-air en air-to-ground target of opportunity).


Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 15/11/2023 | 10:00 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 15/11/2023 | 09:21 uurAlleen de F-35A heeft de GAU-22/A intern ;) De F-35B en de F-35C gebruiken de GPU-9 gun pod. De F-35B en de F-35C hebben hun eigen GPU-9 uitvoering i.v.m. verschil onderkant romp.

Het GAU-22/A kanon is goed als back-up voor wanneer het uitkomt (air-to-air en air-to-ground target of opportunity).


Zo hoort die te zijn  ;)

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 15/11/2023 | 08:48 uurNiemand zegt toch dat het kanon verdwijnt. Wat wordt gezegd is; CAS met kanon gebeurt met mens.  Ook herft niemans het hier over de F-35 in een CAS rol zoals de A10 dat doet.

Ik volg je niet

Klopt maar dat kan dus ook met de F35, de B en C variant hebben dan beidde een 25mm variant tot hun beschikking om deze rol op zich te nemen.

En over de menselijke rol mbt die CAS missies en de drones is het nog wat te vroeg om echt wat over te zeggen. Men weet nog niet zo goed hoe dit vorm moet gaan krijgen. Gaan ze bijvoorbeeld bestuurd worden vanuit het moederschip (NGAD, F35, FA-xx), vanuit veilige thuishavens of kan er zelfs een operator rol inzitten voor de pax op de grond waarbij een FAC'er of CAC'er de drone zelfs overneemt en zelf zijn missie draait.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 15/11/2023 | 10:15 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 15/11/2023 | 09:21 uurAlleen de F-35A heeft de GAU-22/A intern ;) De F-35B en de F-35C gebruiken de GPU-9 gun pod. De F-35B en de F-35C hebben hun eigen GPU-9 uitvoering i.v.m. verschil onderkant romp.

Het GAU-22/A kanon is goed als back-up voor wanneer het uitkomt (air-to-air en air-to-ground target of opportunity).

idd, klopt

CitaatThe F-35A is armed with a 25 mm GAU-22/A rotary cannon mounted internally near the left wing root with 182 rounds carried;

The F-35B and F-35C have no internal gun and instead can use a Terma A/S multi-mission pod (MMP) carrying the GAU-22/A and 220 rounds;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II

Maar 182 stuks in de A is niet echt veel, 1 burst van 3,3 sec en de voorraad is op.

Even in vergelijking met de A-10

Citaatammunition drum can hold up to 1,350 rounds of 30 mm ammunition, but generally holds 1,174 rounds.

a fixed rate of 3,900 rounds per minute. The cannon takes about a half second to spin up to its maximum rate of fire, firing 50 rounds during the first second, and 65 or 70 rounds per second thereafter.

Dat is bij 1174 stuks, dus een burst van totaal 18 sec.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 15/11/2023 | 10:25 uur
Citaat van: Benji87 op 15/11/2023 | 10:00 uurEn over de menselijke rol mbt die CAS missies en de drones is het nog wat te vroeg om echt wat over te zeggen. Men weet nog niet zo goed hoe dit vorm moet gaan krijgen. Gaan ze bijvoorbeeld bestuurd worden vanuit het moederschip (NGAD, F35, FA-xx), vanuit veilige thuishavens of kan er zelfs een operator rol inzitten voor de pax op de grond waarbij een FAC'er of CAC'er de drone zelfs overneemt en zelf zijn missie draait.

Het is idd onduidelijk wat men wil
en is ook maar de vraag of ze in CAS ook een vliegtuig/drone willen hebben wat eenzelfde rol heeft als de A-10, dus laag.
of juist zoals @Benji87 het beschrijft, alles op afstand.

Persoonlijk denk ik dat een mens ter plaatse met goede SA en intell het beste kan zijn.  
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/11/2023 | 10:28 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 15/11/2023 | 10:15 uuridd, klopt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II

Maar 182 stuks in de A is niet echt veel, 1 burst van 3,3 sec en de voorraad is op.

Boordgeschut heeft nu eenmaal niet meer zo'n grote hoeveelheid munitie. Gripen heeft 120 rpg (rounds per gun), Eurofighter heeft 150 rpg en Rafale heeft 125 rpg.

Indien de BK27 wel voor de F-35 was gekozen, dan had de F-35A maar 152 rpg aan 27x145mm munitie.


Citaat van: Harald op 15/11/2023 | 10:15 uurEven in vergelijking met de A-10

Dat is bij 1174 stuks, dus een burst van totaal 18 sec.

Eind jaren 60 was een grote hoeveelheid munitie de wens. Zo ook bij het A-X programma waaruit de A-10 is ontstaan.
Oorspronkelijk zou de F-15 bijvoorbeeld een 1000 rpg munitiedrum krijgen. Dit kreeg de F-15 niet en de A-7C/D/E Corsair II wel.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 15/11/2023 | 10:44 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 15/11/2023 | 10:35 uurDe mix in de toolbox zal sowieso veranderen. Denk dat je met 70mm airburst raketten ook wel een indrukwekkend veld kan leggen.


De U.S. Navy wil voor de F-35B (USMC) en de F-35C (USN en USMC) zelfs de JAGM en Hellfire aan het wapenarsenaal toevoegen.

Navy Looks To Arm F-35 With Four New Missiles, Including Hellfire

The Navy is launching an effort to integrate JASSM, LRASM, JAGM, and Hellfire missiles on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

by Thomas Newdick, Tyler Rogoway| PUBLISHED Nov 14, 2023 6:58 PM EST

The U.S. Navy is looking to add four air-to-surface missiles onto the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, one of which, the AGM-114 Hellfire air-to-ground missile, was not previously known to be planned to be added to the Joint Strike Fighter's armory.

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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/navy-looks-to-equip-f-35-with-four-new-missiles-including-hellfire
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 16/11/2023 | 09:20 uur
F-15QA Flies Demo Unlike Any We've Seen From An Eagle Before

The F-15QA's advanced fly-by-wire technology and the power offered by its F110-GE-129 engines have been on full display at the Dubai Airshow.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/f-15qa-flies-demo-unlike-any-weve-seen-from-an-eagle-before
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/11/2023 | 10:18 uur
Turkey Is Trying To Buy Used Eurofighter Typhoons

Faced with continued delays in acquiring more F-16s, Turkey is now said to be in talks to buy secondhand Eurofighter Typhoons.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/turkey-is-trying-to-buy-used-eurofighter-typhoons
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 20/11/2023 | 09:14 uur
The 'dual purpose' in Turkey's bid for 40 Eurofighter Typhoons: Analysts

"Turkish air power has a stopgap trouble up until the indigenous KAAN makes it," analyst Can Kasapoglu told Breaking Defense. "The [Eurofighter] can offer some relief, depending on the tranche."

To help fill its looming fighter gap, Turkey is in talks to buy 40 Eurofighter Typhoons, the country's top defense official said, in a move analysts said could give Ankara bargaining power in its years-long quest for new American F-16s but could also face resistance in Berlin.

Turkish Defense Minister Yasar Gular said Thursday at a parliamentary hearing that Turkey is "working on procurement."

"Now the UK and Spain are making efforts to convince Germany, [though] we are not in talks with Germany... If possible, we plan to purchase 40 Eurofighter Typhoon jets," he said.

Turkey is currently facing a fighter gap as it waits for its planned 5th generation KAAN fighter to come online in 2030. As the Turkish air force already flies F-16s, it has sought new versions of the plane from the US, but that deal has been on hold over geopolitical strain between Turkey and the US.

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https://breakingdefense.com/2023/11/the-dual-purpose-in-turkeys-bid-for-40-eurofighter-typhoons-analysts/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 20/11/2023 | 09:45 uur
Citaat van: Harald op 20/11/2023 | 09:14 uurThe 'dual purpose' in Turkey's bid for 40 Eurofighter Typhoons: Analysts

"Turkish air power has a stopgap trouble up until the indigenous KAAN makes it," analyst Can Kasapoglu told Breaking Defense. "The [Eurofighter] can offer some relief, depending on the tranche."

To help fill its looming fighter gap, Turkey is in talks to buy 40 Eurofighter Typhoons, the country's top defense official said, in a move analysts said could give Ankara bargaining power in its years-long quest for new American F-16s but could also face resistance in Berlin.

Turkish Defense Minister Yasar Gular said Thursday at a parliamentary hearing that Turkey is "working on procurement."

"Now the UK and Spain are making efforts to convince Germany, [though] we are not in talks with Germany... If possible, we plan to purchase 40 Eurofighter Typhoon jets," he said.

Turkey is currently facing a fighter gap as it waits for its planned 5th generation KAAN fighter to come online in 2030. As the Turkish air force already flies F-16s, it has sought new versions of the plane from the US, but that deal has been on hold over geopolitical strain between Turkey and the US.

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https://breakingdefense.com/2023/11/the-dual-purpose-in-turkeys-bid-for-40-eurofighter-typhoons-analysts/

Denk dat ze in Turkije, ze op het moment van beslissing om S400 te kopen en daarmee een exit kregen op de F35 nooit rekening hebben gehouden dat Rusland zijn ding ging doen in de Oekraine met een oververhitting van de capaciteit in het westen om toestellen welk eender type te bouwen en verkopen, zodat de Turkse exit eigenlijk geen probleem maar zegen was voor de VS en anderen. En de hoge inflatie in Turkije zal er uiteindelijk ook voor zorgen dat de mensen met kennis daar om vliegtuigen te ontwerpen en bouwen in andere landen eenvoudiger aan de bak kunnen komen want ja ze hebben kennis en ervaring. De gifbeker lijkt nog niet helemaal leeg. 
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 20/11/2023 | 10:18 uur
Ik durf te wedden dat het aantal instructeurs, reserveonderdelen en munitiestukken ze ook parten speelt.

Turkije wordt beloond voor haar keus. Er zit eigelijk niets anders op dan de S400 vaarwel te zeggen, of te accepteren dat ze niet kunnen worden voorzien in wat ze willen, tot hun eigen militaire productie het toelaat om uit de NAVO te stappen.

Dat lijkt namelijk ook wel de route.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/11/2023 | 14:16 uur
Eurofighter Electronic Combat lost Tornado af

29 november 2023

(https://www.pilootenvliegtuig.nl/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/eurofighter_ek_web_0-1024x518.webp)

MUNCHEN – Na de recente parlementaire goedkeuring door de Duitse begrotingscommissie kan Airbus vijftien Duitse Eurofighters geschikt maken voor elektronische oorlogsvoering.

De Eurofighter EC (Electronic Combat) zal worden uitgerust een zenderlocatie- en zelfbeschermingssysteem van Saab, evenals AARGM-antiradarraketten van Northrop Grumman. Met beide systemen kunnen luchtafweerradars worden gedetecteerd, gelokaliseerd en worden uitgeschakeld. Ook beschikt de Saab oplossing over stoorzenders die de zelfbescherming van de Eurofighter verbeteren.

De Eurofighter EC krijgt technologieën aan boord die zijn ontwikkeld door het midden- en kleinbedrijf en een start-up. Daartoe behoort onder meer een AI-oplossing die het mogelijk maakt om radargegevens aan boord te analyseren en snel nauwkeurige zelfbeschermingsmaatregelen te bepalen.

Het toestel moet tegen 2030 NAVO-gecertificeerd zijn en zal dan in Duitsland de Tornado vervangen in de SEAD-rol (Suppression of Enemy Air Defense).

https://www.pilootenvliegtuig.nl/2023/11/29/eurofighter-electronic-combat-lost-tornado-af/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 30/11/2023 | 14:30 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 20/11/2023 | 10:18 uurIk durf te wedden dat het aantal instructeurs, reserveonderdelen en munitiestukken ze ook parten speelt.

Turkije wordt beloond voor haar keus. Er zit eigelijk niets anders op dan de S400 vaarwel te zeggen, of te accepteren dat ze niet kunnen worden voorzien in wat ze willen, tot hun eigen militaire productie het toelaat om uit de NAVO te stappen.

Dat lijkt namelijk ook wel de route.

Ik ken een land wat staat te springen om die S400's :angel:
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 30/11/2023 | 15:06 uur
Citaat van: Benji87 op 30/11/2023 | 14:30 uurIk ken een land wat staat te springen om die S400's :angel:


Ik denk dat het niet gek zal zijn als Rusland Turkije een grote som geld zal geven ervoor. Maar Erdogan kan natuurlijk ook ons allemaal een inkijkje laten geven in de S400.

Dan zijn de Oekrainers er nog  :angel:

Het is best een troef.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 04/12/2023 | 10:51 uur
Portugal kiest ook voor de F35 als F16 vervanger

https://twitter.com/Defence360/status/1729832609151164649?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1729832609151164649%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 04/12/2023 | 15:04 uur
Lockheed Martin flies first production F-35s equipped with TR-3 upgrade

30 November 2023

by Zach Rosenberg

Lockheed Martin has flown the first production F-35s equipped with Technology Refresh 3 (TR-3) hardware and software upgrades, the manufacturer confirmed on 28 November. F-35 deliveries to customers have been paused until TR-3 is judged to be sufficiently mature.

"We are now flying TR-3 software on F-35 production jets in Fort Worth and flight test continues at Edwards Air Force Base and Naval Air Station Patuxent River," the company told Janes on 28 November.

The TR-3 software upgrade first flew in January 2023 aboard a US Air Force test aircraft at Edwards Air Force Base. The US Department of Defense's F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) declined to specify the number of F-35s flying with TR-3 today, citing operational security.

"The JPO and Lockheed Martin agree that the acceptance of TR-3 aircraft should fall in the April 2024 to June 2024 timeframe based on risks as we understand them today," the JPO told Janes on 28 November.

Deliveries of TR-3-equipped aircraft were paused in July 2023. Though the reasons behind the delivery pause have not been detailed, Lieutenant General Michael Schmidt, head of the JPO, told Congress in March, "The key risks ahead of us are centred around maturity and stability of the final integrated software, flight-test execution with an ageing fleet of test aircraft and infrastructure, and delivery of TR-3 hardware to the production line."

The JPO declined to specify the number of TR-3-equipped jets that remain to be delivered.

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/lockheed-martin-flies-first-production-f-35s-equipped-with-tr-3-upgrade
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 05/12/2023 | 16:05 uur
Portugal eyes F-35 buy

05 December 2023

by Victor Barreira

The Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II aircraft could emerge as the next combat aircraft in the inventory of the Portuguese Air Force (FAP).

The Chief of Staff of the FAP, General João Guilherme Rosado Cartaxo Alves, described the F-35A as the preferred choice to replace the Lockheed Martin F-16AM/BM Fighting Falcon on 27 November.

Speaking at the SAE Media Group Military Airlift and Air-to-Air Refuelling conference in Lisbon, Gen Alves said the replacement process must start to prevent a loss of strategic relevance and operational credibility. He also noted that most European allies had already started the transition to the F-35.

The existing F-16AM/BM could extend its operational capability until 2030, however, with increasing levels of obsolescence, he said at the event in late November. Gen Alves confirmed that an acquisition will occur after 2030 as part of the newly established 'Air Force 5.3' modernisation plan.

Portugal has been looking to replace its F-16 fleet with a fifth-generation fighter. The Director of the Engineering and Programs Directorate, Brigadier General João Rui Ramos Nogueira, told Janes that Portugal plans to acquire the F-35 through the US Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme, but declined to enter into details on the number of planned aircraft or an acquisition schedule.

Brig Gen Nogueira noted that the decision to go forward with an acquisition of the fifth-generation fighter will be made by government officials at a later stage.


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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/portugal-eyes-f-35-buy
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 07/12/2023 | 16:07 uur
ExpoDefensa 2023: Gripen full-scale model marks Saab's effort to win Colombian Kfir replacement

Saab, the Swedish defense company, is participating in ExpoDefensa 2023 with a focus on presenting a solution to replace the aging Israeli-made Kfir combat aircraft. The centerpiece of their showcase is a full-scale replica of the Gripen multirole-fighter aircraft, a key asset in Saab's bid for a contract with the Colombian Air Force.

(https://www.airrecognition.com/images/stories/news/2023/december/ExpoDefensa_2023_Saab_Gripen_925_001.jpg)

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https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2023-news-aviation-aerospace/december/9435-expodefensa-2023-gripen-full-scale-model-marks-saab-s-effort-to-secure-colombian-kfir-replacement.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/12/2023 | 10:19 uur
809NAS 'Immortal'

Published: 08 December 2023 Last Updated: 08 December 2023

The motto of 809 Naval Air Squadron (NAS) is 'Immortal' and the squadron makes this come true once again!

On Friday 8 December 2023, it was re-activated at RAF Marham as the fourth British squadron to be equipped with F-35B Lightning II fighter aircraft. This is the sixth time that the squadron is (re)activated in its history which started in 1941.

The British F-35 community is jointly staffed by Royal Air Force (RAF) and Royal Navy (Fleet Air Arm - FAA) personnel. It is therefore only fitting that next to 17 Squadron, 207 Squadron and 617 Squadron (all three RAF units), the fourth squadron to be equipped with these jets is an FAA unit. Sadly the jets do not carry individual unit markings, and it is expected that will not change with 809NAS joining the ranks.

Both 617sq and 809NAS are frontline squadrons, while 17sq acts as Operational Test & Evaluation Unit and 207sq acts as Operational Conversion Unit. Of these only 17sq is not based at RAF Marham. This unit can be found at Edwards AFB (CA) where it works closely with its American counterparts.

A very high level summary of the squadron history shows it was active in these periods: 1941-1946, 1949-1959, 1963-1965, 1966-1978 and 1982. In these periods 809NAS has used Fairey Fulmar II, Supermarine Spitfire Va, Supermarine Seafire (various marks), Sea Hornet NF21, Sea Venom FAW21, Blackburn Buccaneer S1, Blackburn Buccaneer S2 and Hawker Siddeley Sea Harrier FRS1 aircraft.

809NAS received battle honours eight times: Arctic (1941), Malta Convoys (1942), North Africa (1942), Salerno (1943), South France (1944), Aegean (1944), Burma (1945) and Falklands (1982).

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/809nas-immortal
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/12/2023 | 10:10 uur
Taurus-LIG Nex1 developing KEPD 350K-2 for FA-50

A smaller version of the Taurus Systems KEPD 350K air-launched precision‐attack cruise missile being planned for the Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) FA-50 fighter aircraft could enter production two years after full-scale development is launched.

Designated as the KEPD 350K-2, this all-weather-capable missile is being developed to meet "increasing demand" for air-to-ground missiles for light combat aircraft and short-range fighters, according to Taurus. The company has signed an agreement with LIG Nex1 to jointly develop the new missile.

"From Taurus' perspective, once the full-scale development is launched, we can be ready for production in 36–48 months, depending on the time it requires for the integration on the platform," a Taurus company spokesperson told Janes .

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/defence/latest/taurus-lig-nex1-developing-kepd-350k-2-for-fa-50

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Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 11/12/2023 | 15:49 uur
Congress Restores $1 Billion For US Navy's F/A-XX

Lawmakers restored the Navy's F/A-XX to almost full funding in the recent compromise Fiscal Year 2024 National Defense Authorization Act

The recent version of the compromise Fiscal Year 2024 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), restored to almost full funding, what is believed to be a special access program (SAP) that includes the US Navy's F/A-XX fighter.

Earlier this year, the House Armed Service Committee in its version of the fiscal 2024 defense bill, cut $1.1 billion from the Link Plumeria line, citing "unjustified requirements". The Navy requested $2.1 billion for Link Plumeria in its budget request for FY2024.

The current version of the bill cuts $50 million from Project 2937, which is the F/A-XX element inside Link Plumeria, due to "unjustified requirements".

The F/A-XX is believed to be the manned fighter aircraft element of the Navy's Next Generation Air Dominance program. Structured similarly to the Air Force's NGAD, both programs are a "family of systems" that include the development of both manned fighters, unmanned drones and other technologies.

The manned fighter in the Navy's NGAD will succeed the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, while the Air Force's aircraft will replace the F-22 Raptor.

The connection between Link Plumeria and the U.S. Navy's F/A-XX was made earlier this year after the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) released a statement in response to the cuts. "The Administration strongly opposes the $1.1 billion reduction to Project 2937 that supports the Navy's F/A-XX program," the released stated. "The 70 percent reduction breaks the program and leaves the acquisition strategy unexecutable. Additional details can be provided at higher classification."

The bill also includes language requiring the US Air Force and US Navy to update Congress on the status of their Next Generation Air Dominance piloted fighter aircraft and the autonomous, uncrewed Collaborative Combat Aircraft programs.

To this end, both services will need to provide two semiannual reports that each cover the cost and capability status of the programs.

The first report would detail "key milestones, development and testing events, and specific performance goals for the engineering manufacturing and development (EMD) phase," this would include the following:

- Technology readiness levels of major
- components and subsystems and key demonstration and testing events.
- Design maturity.
- Software maturity.
- Subsystem and system-level integration maturity.
- Manufacturing readiness levels for critical manufacturing operations and key demonstration and testing events.
- Manufacturing operations
- System verification, validation, and key flight test events.

The second report would provide details on the "total cost for the Secretary's service cost position for the EMD phase and low initial rate of production lots of the programs . . .  and a matrix expressing the total cost for the prime contractor's estimate for such EMD phase and production lots, both of which shall be phased over the entire EMD period," this would include the following:

- Air vehicle.
- Propulsion.
- Mission systems
- Vehicle subsystems
- Air vehicle software.
- Systems engineering.
- Program management
- System test and evaluation.
- Support and training systems.
- Contract fee.
- Engineering changes.
- Direct mission support, including Congressional General Reductions
- Government testing.
- Ancillary aircraft equipment.
- Initial spares.
- Contractor support
- Modifications.

Aside from the congressional defense committees, these semiannual reports will also be submitted to the Comptroller General of the United States, after which the matrices will be reviewed and assessed. Following assessment, the Comptroller General will submit to the congressional defense committees a report covering their findings.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/12/congress-restores-1-billion-for-us-navys-f-a-xx/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 15/12/2023 | 08:58 uur
Saudis Eye France's Rafale Fighter

With Germany still blocking a long-planned sale of Eurofighter Typhoons to the Kingdom, Dassault is capitalizing on the opportunity.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/saudis-eye-frances-rafale-fighter
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 15/12/2023 | 12:57 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 15/12/2023 | 12:15 uurWeet je nog dat de Saudi's 100den Leo2's wilden kopen en we daar een moderne Leo2 productielijn in Europa aan over hadden kunnen houden?

We hebben geen luxe meer. De productie moet opgevoerd worden, geld moet verdient worden.
Alle block5 Typhoons naar Oekraïne, en als een wilde nieuwe gaan bouwen.

Had gisteren al moeten gebeuren. We liggen met zijn allen hier enorm te slapen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/01/2024 | 16:37 uur
Germany drops opposition to Saudi Eurofighter sale  :omg: de draai is gemaakt  8) 

Germany has dropped its long-standing opposition to a follow-on sale of Eurofighter combat aircraft to Saudi Arabia, it was reported on 8 January.

German Federal Minister of Foreign Affairs Annalena Baerbock announced the shift in policy in comments made to journalists during a visit to Israel, Agence France-Presse (AFP), Reuters, and other news agencies reported.

"We do not see the German government opposing British considerations for more Eurofighters for Saudi Arabia. The world, especially here in the Middle East, has become a completely different place since [the Hamas attack on Israel on] 7 October [2023]," Baerbock was quoted as saying.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/defence/latest/germany-drops-opposition-to-saudi-eurofighter-sale
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 08/01/2024 | 22:09 uur
Er moet geld binnenkomen, en de Duitse moreel op dit gebied is fluide.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/01/2024 | 23:16 uur
French Air Force Tranche 5 Rafale fighter aircraft

PUBLISHED: 12 JANUARY 2024   LAST UPDATED: 12 JANUARY 2024

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Credit photo: Jurgen van Toor (Scramble Archive)

On 12 January 2024, the French Ministry of Defence (MoD) officially announced that late December 2023, the Direction générale de l'armement (DGA, Defence Procurement Agency) awarded Dassault Aviation an order for 42 Rafale single seat F4 standard fighter aircraft for the Armée de l'Air et de l'Espace (AAE, French Air and Space Force).

This order, known as Tranche 5, will total the number of French Rafales to 234. Earlier orders are divided as: 13 Rafales in 1993 (Tranche 1); 48 in 1999 (Tranche 2); 59 in 2004 (Tranche 3); 60 in 2009 (Tranche 4); and 42 in 2023 (Tranche 5). In 2021, a special order was placed for 12 Rafales to replace the 12 aircraft transferred to Greece.

The first Tranche 5 aircraft will be delivered in 2027. The Rafale is a success in the export market, with seven customer countries to date. The order book, plus the new "tranche 5" contract, secure production activity for the next ten years.

Total export orders currently stand at 261 Rafales (new aircraft): 55x Egypt, 36x Qatar, 36x India, 12x Greece, 80x United Arab Emirates and 42x Indonesia (including 18 for 2024). In addition to the new built aircraft, Greece and Croatia have each acquired 12 former French Air Force Rafales.

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/french-air-force-tranche-5-rafale-fighter-aircraft
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 17/01/2024 | 10:57 uur
First F-16 Block 70 for Bulgarian Air Force

Published: 16 January 2024    Last Updated: 16 January 2024

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Credit photo: Lockheed Martin

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Credit photo: Lockheed Martin

In the second week of January 2024, the Bulgarian Minister of Defence Todor Tagarev visited the F-16 production facility in Greenville (SC) where he viewed the production of the F-16 Block 70 Fighting Falcon for the Bulgarski Voenno Vzdushni Sili (BVVS, Bulgarian Air Force).

He was accompanied by the Bulgarian Ambassador Georgi Panayotov, and the Bulgarian Defence Chief Adm. Emil Eftimov. According to Lockheed Martin there are currently seven F-16s are in various stages of production, and the inaugural flight of the first fighter is planned for later this year.

In a brief official ceremony, he signed the fuselage of the first dual-seat aircraft with c/n MY-01.

In total, Bulgaria ordered sixteen F-16C and F-16D Block 70 fighter aircraft. With the first order, placed in July 2019, Bulgaria signed up for eight F-16 Block 70 fighters. It was not specified how the order was divided between single-seat and dual seat aircraft, but Scramble Magazine assesses that this order consists of six F-16C and two F-16D models. In April 2020, Lockheed Martin Aeronautics, Fort Worth (TX), was awarded a USD 512 million contract for the construction of eight F-16 Block 70s for the Republic of Bulgaria. This Foreign Military Sales (FMS) contract included USD 4,1 million worth of pre-priced options.

In August 2021, the Bulgarian Ministry of Defence requested for a second batch of eight F-16 Block 70 fighters, consisting of four F-16C Block 70 and four F-16D Block 70 fighters plus related equipment like spare engines, missiles, bombs and Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars. On 4 April 2022, the US State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Bulgaria of eight Lockheed Martin F-16 Block 70 Fighting Falcons and related equipment valued at USD 1,7 billion.

Next to Slovakia, Bulgaria will be the second European country to receive the F-16C/D Block 70.

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/first-f-16-block-70-for-bulgarian-air-force
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/01/2024 | 12:56 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 17/01/2024 | 10:57 uurFirst F-16 Block 70 for Bulgarian Air Force


Het heeft er alle schijn van dat F-16 minimaal 80 jaar operationeel zal rondvliegen, misschien haalt dit type zelf één eeuw.

Niet slecht voor een model wat in jaren zeventig van de vorige eeuw het levenslicht zag als lichtgewicht systeem, geconstrueerd voor 4.000 vlieguren met een levensverwachting van 20 jaar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/01/2024 | 14:02 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 17/01/2024 | 13:44 uurDie 20 jaar is natuurlijk op het airframe, niet het type.

Daarnaast zijn de modernste F16's in niks vergelijkbaar met de eerste modellen.

Blijft knap hoor, genoeg generatiegenoten die het slechter doen. De BMW 5 serie gaat ook al sinds de jaren 70 mee.

Uiteraard is de F-16 uit de jaren zeventig een ander beestje dan uit de jaren twintig van deze eeuw.

De vergelijking met een BMW gaat niet op. los van de nummering, een BMW 5 uit de jaren zeventig is voor velen in het heden niet meer te herkennen. De F-16 daar en tegen oogt nog steeds een F-16.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 17/01/2024 | 14:22 uur
Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 17/01/2024 | 14:02 uurUiteraard is de F-16 uit de jaren zeventig een ander beestje dan uit de jaren twintig van deze eeuw.

De vergelijking met een BMW gaat niet op. los van de nummering, een BMW 5 uit de jaren zeventig is voor velen in het heden niet meer te herkennen. De F-16 daar en tegen oogt nog steeds een F-16.

idd, aan de buitenkant is de F-16 nog steeds een F-16, het verbaasd mij eigenlijk wel dat er in al die jaren geen ge-evolutioneerd ontwerpversie gekozen is. Zoals bijvoorbeeld van de F-16XL

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The Revolutionary Evolution of the F-16XL
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/1183f16xl/

F-16XL: Why America Didn't Get the Best F-16
https://www.military.com/air-force/f-16xl-why-america-didnt-get-best-f-16.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 17/01/2024 | 18:03 uur
Citaat van: Thomasen op 17/01/2024 | 13:44 uurDie 20 jaar is natuurlijk op het airframe, niet het type.

Daarnaast zijn de modernste F16's in niks vergelijkbaar met de eerste modellen.

Blijft knap hoor, genoeg generatiegenoten die het slechter doen. De BMW 5 serie gaat ook al sinds de jaren 70 mee.

Alsof je met de spitfire tot in de jaren 90 was doorgevlogen, geupgrade spitfires dan.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 22/01/2024 | 15:59 uur
Lockheed to integrate latest air defence suppression missile with all F-35 variants ( goed nieuws voor NL, AGM-88G intern meenemen voor SEAD ) 

The manufacturer of the advanced F-35 stealth fighter received a $97 million Pentagon contract to begin early development work on integrating the Northrop Grumman AGM-88G Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile – Extended Range with all three variants of the fifth-generation jet.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/lockheed-to-integrate-latest-air-defence-suppression-missile-with-all-f-35-variants/156506.article


Netherlands to Buy AGM-88G Missiles for F-35 Fighters (nieuws van juni 2023)
The Dutch defense ministry will invest up to €1 billion to buy AGM-88G Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile-Extended Range missiles to extend the reach of its Lockheed F-35A fighters. It says that the weapon, made by Northrop Grumman, is the only one available for the anti-A2/AD mission.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 23/01/2024 | 08:14 uur
F-35 To Get Meteor, SPEAR 3 Missiles "By End Of Decade"

The new weapons will provide an especially lethal combination with the F-35's stealth and forthcoming upgraded sensors.

The U.K. Ministry of Defense has confirmed that its F-35B stealth fighters will be armed with Meteor air-to-air missiles and SPEAR 3 precision-guided standoff munitions by the "end of the decade." The new weapons promise to bring a major leap in capability for the F-35B, especially when combined with the enhancements that the Block 4 upgrade will provide, especially for the aircraft's radar, which will make the Meteor even more formidable.

In response to a written question in the U.K. parliament, James Cartlidge, a Minister of State in the Ministry of Defense, confirmed the timeline to integrate the two weapons.

.../...

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/f-35-to-get-meteor-spear-3-missiles-by-end-of-decade

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 23/01/2024 | 11:36 uur
Citaat van: The Drive op 23/01/2024 | 08:14 uurF-35 To Get Meteor, SPEAR 3 Missiles "By End Of Decade"

The new weapons will provide an especially lethal combination with the F-35's stealth and forthcoming upgraded sensors.

The U.K. Ministry of Defense has confirmed that its F-35B stealth fighters will be armed with Meteor air-to-air missiles and SPEAR 3 precision-guided standoff munitions by the "end of the decade." The new weapons promise to bring a major leap in capability for the F-35B, especially when combined with the enhancements that the Block 4 upgrade will provide, especially for the aircraft's radar, which will make the Meteor even more formidable.

.../...

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/f-35-to-get-meteor-spear-3-missiles-by-end-of-decade

Het zal voor de Britten tijd worden. Hun huidige F-35B wapenarsenaal bestaat nu uit AIM-132 ASRAAM, AIM-120C/D AMRAAM en Paveway IV (500 lb. klasse).

Wat als de combinatie Meteor en Sidekick voor de F-35A mogelijk is 8)

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/01/2024 | 09:34 uur
Germany to equip Eurofighters with Brimstone

23 January 2024

by Gareth Jennings

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Germany is to join Spain and the UK in integrating the Brimstone air-to-surface missile onto its Eurofighter combat aircraft. (Janes/Patrick Allen)

Germany is to equip its Eurofighter combat aircraft with the MBDA Brimstone air-to-surface missile, the government revealed on 17 January.

Revealed in Bundeswehr budgetary documents disclosed by Der Spiegel, the Luftwaffe intends to acquire 274 of the low-yield missiles to equip its Eurofighter fleet, with a contract to be awarded in the second quarter (Q2) of 2024.

No further details of the planned procurement were disclosed, but with the Brimstone requiring the Phase 2 Enhancement (P2E) capability package, the missile will be compatible with all of the Luftwaffe's 70 Tranche 2, 31 Tranche 3, and 38 Tranche 4 (Project Quadriga) jets.

Germany joins Spain and the UK in selecting the Brimstone for its Eurofighters, with the fourth partner country Italy yet to announce a decision on the missile. Export customer Qatar too selected the Brimstone for its Eurofighters, though none of the other four export countries of Austria, Kuwait, Oman, and Saudi Arabia have so far opted for the missile.

Although not disclosed in the budgetary documents, the standard of Brimstone to be integrated by the Luftwaffe is likely to be the latest 3A missile that will be fitted to Spanish and UK aircraft as well. The Brimstone 3A is intended to progressively replace Brimstone 2 on the Eurofighter (currently, only the UK Royal Air Force [RAF] carries the missile on the aircraft). An MBDA spokesperson previously told Janes

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/germany-to-equip-eurofighters-with-brimstone
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/01/2024 | 09:38 uur
Hebben wij iets vergelijkbaars?
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 26/01/2024 | 10:03 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 26/01/2024 | 09:38 uurHebben wij iets vergelijkbaars?

Niet meer. De AGM-65 Maverick is uit het KLu F-16 arsenaal verdwenen. Nu is er Brimstone op de markt en over een paar jaar Spear 3 en ook JAGM-F (for Fixed-wing). Laatste is afgeleid van de JAGM (AH-64E).

Edit. Spear 3 en JAGM-F moeten straks onderdeel zijn van respectievelijk het Britse F-35 en het Amerikaanse F-35 wapenarsenaal.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 26/01/2024 | 10:59 uur
Dan weet ik genoeg, mag op de lijst van CDLSK.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/01/2024 | 12:58 uur
The Czech Republic Joins the F-35 Lightning II Global Team

January 29, 2024

The Czech Republic government signed a Letter of Offer and Acceptance (LOA) today making official its intent to procure 24 Lockheed Martin 5th Generation F-35 Lightning II aircraft. Through the U.S. government Foreign Military Sale, the Czech Air Force will receive its first aircraft in 2031, which will be in the latest advanced Block 4 configuration.

"We are pleased the government of Czech Republic is now officially a part of the F-35 Lightning II program of record," said U.S. Air Force Lt. Gen. Mike Schmidt, program executive officer, F-35 Joint Program Office. "This partnership with the Czech Ministry of Defense will deliver and sustain the F-35 aircraft for decades, while providing the Czech Air Force with unmatched interoperability and ensuring it has the capability to counter current and future threats."

In addition to the aircraft, the procurement also includes personnel training, service and logistical support, and developing other support services ensuring successful deliveries of all 24 F-35s.

"With the signing of the Letter of Offer and Acceptance between the Czech Republic and U.S. governments, the Czech Republic becomes the 18th nation to join the global F-35 program. We are honored to partner with the Czech Republic Air Force as its F-35s join other European nations in strengthening and growing interoperability, significantly increasing NATO's deterrent capability."  said Bridget Lauderdale, Lockheed Martin's vice president and general manager of the F-35 program. "The F-35 is the best solution for the Czech Republic's future fighter fleet with 5th Generation capabilities enhancing the nation's effectiveness in the 21st Century Security battlespace."

The F-35 is the European aircraft of choice for replacing legacy fighter fleets, offering unmatched interoperability with NATO and other nations to provide a key discriminator for the U.S. and its allies for decades to come. By the 2030s, more than 600 F-35s will work together from more than 10 European countries, including two full U.S. F-35 squadrons stationed at Royal Air Force Lakenheath. It is also the only fighter aircraft in production today that will create jobs for the next 40-50 years and enable strategic industrial partnerships with Czech industry.

F-35s are now operating from 32 bases worldwide. To date, Lockheed Martin has delivered more than 990 F-35s, trained more than 2,280 pilots and 15,400 maintainers, and the F-35 fleet has surpassed 773,000 cumulative flight hours. Lockheed Martin continues to work side by side with F-35 operators to ensure allies remain ahead of the evolving threat.

https://www.f35.com/f35/news-and-features/czech-republic-joins-f35-lightning-program.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 30/01/2024 | 16:10 uur
En die F-35 wordt nooit wat blabla, ding faalt testen blabla, kan niet eens dit of dat blabla,


Inmiddels weer het succesverhaal van LM.

Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 30/01/2024 | 22:20 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 30/01/2024 | 16:10 uurEn die F-35 wordt nooit wat blabla, ding faalt testen blabla, kan niet eens dit of dat blabla,


Inmiddels weer het succesverhaal van LM.

Van de grootste criticasters (o.a. Pierre Sprey, Bill Sweetman, etc.) hoor je nog weinig.

De Griekse F-35A aanvraag moet nog naar het Amerikaans Congres, maar ook dat is nog maar een formaliteit.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 30/01/2024 | 22:24 uur
Zelfde lot onderging de F-16.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Stoonbrace op 30/01/2024 | 23:24 uur
Sprey was een charlatan en leugenaar.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/01/2024 | 08:31 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 30/01/2024 | 22:24 uurZelfde lot onderging de F-16.

Dat klopt. Het was niet goed of het deugde niet. Bijnamen zoals the lawn dart e.d. Zelfs de F/A-18 Hornet kreeg eind jaren 70/begin jaren 80 er flink van langs. Maar goed dat er toen geen internet was.


Citaat van: Thomasen op 30/01/2024 | 23:21 uurSprey is dood.
En de doden klagen niet.

Dat was ik alweer vergeten. Dank voor de reminder.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: silvester herc op 31/01/2024 | 08:49 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 30/01/2024 | 22:20 uurVan de grootste criticasters (o.a. Pierre Sprey, Bill Sweetman, etc.) hoor je nog weinig.

De Griekse F-35A aanvraag moet nog naar het Amerikaans Congres, maar ook dat is nog maar een formaliteit.
En zo is dat massa is ook nog eens kassa voor de Nederlandse staat en bedrijfsleven  wat betreft fabricage onderdelen voor de F-35 ;)
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Parera op 31/01/2024 | 09:06 uur
F-35s Back On The Table For Turkey
After being kicked out of the Joint Strike Fighter program, Turkey could be let back in, if it abandons its Russian-made S-400 missiles.

https://www.twz.com/air/f-35s-back-on-the-table-for-turkey
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Umbert op 31/01/2024 | 11:03 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 31/01/2024 | 09:06 uurF-35s Back On The Table For Turkey
After being kicked out of the Joint Strike Fighter program, Turkey could be let back in, if it abandons its Russian-made S-400 missiles.

https://www.twz.com/air/f-35s-back-on-the-table-for-turkey


De VS heeft er schijnbaar heel wat voor over om de Zweden in de NAVO te krijgen.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 31/01/2024 | 13:06 uur
Citaat van: Parera op 31/01/2024 | 09:06 uurF-35s Back On The Table For Turkey
After being kicked out of the Joint Strike Fighter program, Turkey could be let back in, if it abandons its Russian-made S-400 missiles.

https://www.twz.com/air/f-35s-back-on-the-table-for-turkey


Stuur die S400's gelijk door naar Oekraïne...  dat zou de deal moeten zijn

Citaat van: Umbert op 31/01/2024 | 11:03 uurDe VS heeft er schijnbaar heel wat voor over om de Zweden in de NAVO te krijgen.

Ik denk dat Turkije nog flink wat water bij de wijn moet doen voordat dit een realistisch iets gaat worden. Turkije ziet momenteel ook wel wat Griekenland aan het aanschaffen is en die dreigen op technologisch gebied gewoon een achterstand te krijgen op hun aartsrivaal. Tegelijkertijd zijn zij ook bezig om een 5th gen gevechtsvliegtuig te ontwikkelen dus ik vraag me af of Turkije überhaupt wel op de markt is voor de F35.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/01/2024 | 13:54 uur
Citaat van: Benji87 op 31/01/2024 | 13:06 uurStuur die S400's gelijk door naar Oekraïne...  dat zou de deal moeten zijn

Dit wordt nu geprobeerd met de Griekse S300's.

Citaat van: Benji87 op 31/01/2024 | 13:06 uurTegelijkertijd zijn zij ook bezig om een 5th gen gevechtsvliegtuig te ontwikkelen dus ik vraag me af of Turkije überhaupt wel op de markt is voor de F35.

Turkije had altijd al meerdere type jachtvliegtuigen tegelijkertijd in gebruik. De F-35A willen ze echt wel hebben. Indien de Amerikaanse regering en het Amerikaans Congres groen licht geven , dan koopt Turkije de F-35A Block 4. Als systeem is deze nog verder dan hun eigen ontwerp.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 31/01/2024 | 19:38 uur
Gezien de gigantische hoop ervaring en budget die de Amerikanen er tegenaan kunnen gooien, is het hopeloos om te denken dat de Turken dat in twintig jaar goedmaken.

En bedenk je, de Turkse en Nederlandse economie is evengroot. We hebben een nog hoger BBP zelfs, alleen 4.5 keer zo weinig inwoners.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 31/01/2024 | 22:29 uur
Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 31/01/2024 | 19:38 uurGezien de gigantische hoop ervaring en budget die de Amerikanen er tegenaan kunnen gooien, is het hopeloos om te denken dat de Turken dat in twintig jaar goedmaken.

Verwacht dat het Turkse ontwerp hoogstens vergelijkbaar is met de Zuid-Koreaanse KF-21. Beide landen zijn voor bepaalde technologie afhankelijk van het buitenland.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 01/02/2024 | 02:17 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 31/01/2024 | 22:29 uurVerwacht dat het Turkse ontwerp hoogstens vergelijkbaar is met de Zuid-Koreaanse KF-21. Beide landen zijn voor bepaalde technologie afhankelijk van het buitenland.

Beide modellen zullen zich (hooguit) kwalificeren als 4.75 generatie met een 5e generatie make-up-je
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 01/02/2024 | 10:12 uur
Een stealth fighter ontwikkelen is duur. De Russen lukte het niet met de mig 1.44 door te hoge kosten en die zitten nu opgescheept met de SU57 wat in principe ook gewoon een 4th gen is met een stealth sausje eroverheen gegooid. Ik geloof nooit dat Turkije het geld, de middelen en de kennis heeft om tot een succesvol toestel te komen. En als het ze wel lukt zullen ze nooit genoeg toestellen kunnen aanschaffen om de ontwikkelingskosten te dekken. We moeten echter wel rekening mee houden dat het voor Erdogan geen kwestie is van militair belang maar van economisch belang en aanzien.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 01/02/2024 | 10:26 uur
Citaat van: Benji87 op 01/02/2024 | 10:12 uurWe moeten echter wel rekening mee houden dat het voor Erdogan geen kwestie is van militair belang maar van economisch belang en aanzien.

Die drang naar aanzien heeft Turkije wel de nek omgedraaid. Zonder aanschaf van de S-400 en dergelijke hadden ze nu met de F-35A in eigen land gevlogen.

Via onderstaande link is te zien wat de status is van de 'Turkse' F-35A's.

https://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-35/serials-and-inventory/airforce/TuAF/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 03/02/2024 | 12:10 uur
https://www.upinthesky.nl/2024/02/02/turkije-wil-typhoon/

Turkije wil óók Eurofighter Typhoon

Turkije is nog steeds geïnteresseerd in de aankoop van 40 Eurofighter Typhoon-straaljagers, zo verklaarde een functionaris van het Turkse ministerie van Defensie gisteren. Het nieuws is opvallend aangezien de Verenigde Staten net de verkoop van F-16's aan Ankara hebben goedgekeurd.

In november gaf Turkije aan in gesprek te zijn met Groot-Brittannië en Spanje om Typhoons te kopen. Deze weg werd bewandeld nadat een deal rond de aanschaf van F-16's in de VS onzeker was geworden. Duitsland, een van de partners achter de Typhoon, was echter ook tegen de verkoop van het wapensysteem aan Turkije.

Vorige week heeft de regering van de Amerikaanse president Joe Biden het Amerikaanse Congres formeel op de hoogte gebracht van haar voornemen om door te gaan met de verkoop van 40 Lockheed Martin F-16's en bijna 80 moderniseringskits aan Turkije. Dit gebeurde een dag nadat Ankara de volledige ratificatie van het NAVO-lidmaatschap van Zweden had afgerond. Met dit nieuws leek de aanschaf van de Typhoon definitief van de baan. Aldus een anonieme functionaris van het Turkse ministerie van Defensie is niets echter minder waar: 'we hebben nog steeds interesse en we verwachten een positieve houding van het consortiumlid Duitsland aangaande dit onderwerp'.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Benji87 op 03/02/2024 | 12:37 uur
Citaat van: Sparkplug op 31/01/2024 | 22:29 uurVerwacht dat het Turkse ontwerp hoogstens vergelijkbaar is met de Zuid-Koreaanse KF-21. Beide landen zijn voor bepaalde technologie afhankelijk van het buitenland.

Kwam toevallig dit in nieuws voorbij vandaag.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2024/02/02/south-korea-to-start-mass-production-of-kf-21-fighter-jets/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 08/02/2024 | 09:05 uur
Mini Anti-Ship Cruise Missile That Fits Inside An F-35 Is On The Navy's Wish List

The Air Force is also looking for very similar weapons, which would be small in size but possess substantial range.

byJoseph Trevithick| PUBLISHED Feb 7, 2024 6:44 PM EST

The U.S. Navy is interested in acquiring a relatively low-cost and compact air-launched stand-off anti-ship weapon, four of which could be carried internally by certain variants of the F-35 stealth fighter. The U.S. Air Force has also laid out its own requirements for a similar-sounding air-launched munition, but that is geared toward more general air-to-ground strike missions.

Naval Air Systems Command put out a contracting notice for what it is currently calling the Multi-Mission Affordable Capacity Effector weapon system, or MACE (https://sam.gov/opp/f43ae2cd4cd840a38be6ff3daff929c7/view), on February 2. This followed the Direct Attack Contracting Division of the Air Force life Cycle Management Center's Armament Directorate (AFLCMC/EBDK) issuing a separate notice about what it has dubbed the Extended Range Attack Munition (https://sam.gov/opp/41cd9248a4494117aa19af9c89cd0ee7/view) (ERAM) on January 30.

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https://www.twz.com/air/mini-anti-ship-cruise-missile-that-fits-inside-an-f-35-is-on-the-navys-wish-list
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 09/02/2024 | 15:40 uur
Partners to decide on Meteor MLU by end of 2024

09 February 2024

by Gareth Jennings

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A Meteor missile aboard a Swedish Gripen combat aircraft. The six partner countries are assessing a potential mid-life upgrade, with a decision to be made by the end of 2024. (Janes/Gareth Jennings)

The partner countries will decide before the end of 2024 on the scope and scale of a planned mid-life upgrade (MLU) to the MBDA Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM).

Answering questions in the House of Commons, Minister of State at the Ministry of Defence (MoD) James Cartlidge said on 8 February that the UK and the five other partner countries of France, Germany, Italy, Spain, and Sweden will decide on the path forward by the end of 2024.

"The UK, together with the five other Meteor partner [countries], continues to assess mid-life options for Meteor and expects to reach a formal decision on the way forward by the end of 2024," he said.

Details pertaining to the potential MLU have not been disclosed, but as noted by Janes Weapons: Air Launched , it could entail equipping the missile with an active electronically scanned array (AESA) seeker, and improving the propulsion system potentially through adaptive air intakes or variable geometry intakes. In addition, MBDA is assessing the integration of a Global Positioning System (GPS) unit for a ground‐attack capability for the Meteor.

The Meteor is integrated aboard the Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, and Saab Gripen, and is to be carried by the Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning and Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) KF-21 Boramae also. As well as the six partner countries, the missile is in service or selected by Brazil, Egypt, Greece, India, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, and Qatar.

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/partners-to-decide-on-meteor-mlu-by-end-of-2024
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 14/02/2024 | 11:00 uur
"I Would Love To Have More F-15EXs," Air Guard Boss Says

With F-15EX's operational debut coming soon, its unique capabilities have already made an impact on the Air National Guard's top officer.

The Air National Guard's top officer made it clear today during a roundtable with journalists at the Air Force Association's Warfare Symposium what value he sees in the F-15EX Eagle II and that he wants more of them.

Our Howard Altman asked Lt. Gen. Michael A. Loh, the Director of the Air National Guard, specifically about the future role of the F-15EX and the possibility of procuring more beyond the reduced number of 104 currently planned.

"So the F-15EX initial fielding is to the National Guard ... It is both a homeland defense platform, as well as a power projection platform. It is, I'm going to call it this way, the combat capability of an F-15EX is not an F 15E. It's actually much better than F-15E. The open mission system architecture, a separate computer from the OFP, the operational flight program computer, so the one that runs it, and also fiber that goes out across it. So high-speed data, high speed fiber, open mission system architecture. We can put our own operating system on there. We can integrate weapons, sensors— anything that you can think of, we can integrate on that rapidly. And we can do rapid reprogramming on that system without ever touching the OFP. That is a game changer when you think about modern day warfare."

"The other thing is it can take outsized weapons, so any long-range missiles, long-range weapons – JASSM-ERs – all those capabilities that are out there. With conformal fuel tanks, it has it has the ability to go long-ranges. So, longer ranges than even the F-15C... Those long-ranges allow us to deliver air superiority in a combat capable configuration over distances that we will see in future conflicts."

All these capabilities prompt questions as to how a fleet of just 104 jets will be able to properly supply them to commanders. Asked by Howard Altman about the possibility of procuring more F-15EXs, the Lt. General's enthusiasm for the idea was clear:

"I hope so. I mean, we have a capacity and a capability need out there. And so to get more and more fighter units recapitalized into the newer equipment, I would love to have more EXs."

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https://www.twz.com/air/i-would-love-to-have-more-f-15exs-air-guard-boss-says
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 19/02/2024 | 13:09 uur
Philippines eyes Swedish Gripen as top contender for Multi-role Fighter Acquisition

The Philippine Department of National Defense (DND) announced today that it is finalizing an Implementing Arrangement (IA) with Sweden to facilitate the procurement of defense equipment. This announcement follows the signing of a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the two nations in June 2023, marking a significant step towards strengthening their defense cooperation.

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The IA, scheduled to be finalized during a meeting in Sweden this March, will focus on streamlining logistics and procurement procedures for Philippine acquisition of Swedish defense materiel. This collaboration aligns with the Philippines' ongoing modernization program aimed at bolstering its armed forces' capabilities.

"This Implementing Arrangement signifies our commitment to further enhance our defense capabilities through strategic partnerships," stated the DND Secretary in the press release. "Sweden is a reliable partner with advanced technology and expertise, and this cooperation will undoubtedly contribute to the modernization of our armed forces."

However, one specific piece of defense equipment has emerged as a potential frontrunner: the JAS 39 Gripen multirole fighter aircraft. Sweden's interest in partnering with the Philippines on its modernization efforts goes back even further, with Ambassador Annika Thunborg discussing the Gripen with DND officials as early as August 2023. This consistent offer highlights Sweden's strong push for the aircraft, potentially reflecting its capabilities and alignment with the Philippines' requirements.

The upcoming IA meeting and continued partnership efforts pave the way for potential acquisition of Swedish defense equipment, like the Gripen. Both parties expressed interest in implementing the signed MOU and exploring financing options.

https://alert5.com/2024/02/19/philippines-eyes-swedish-gripen-as-top-contender-for-multi-role-fighter-acquisition/#more-98768
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/02/2024 | 09:09 uur
Hungary doubles down on Gripen: Saab secures order for four more fighters

Saab of Sweden secured a four-aircraft deal with Hungary, expanding their Gripen fleet and solidifying the partnership between the two nations. This announcement follows an existing contract for 14 Gripen C/D fighters, bringing Hungary's total to 18.

The agreement strengthens the long-standing defense partnership between Sweden and Hungary. This additional acquisition follows the initial deal in 2001 for 14 Gripen C/D jets, highlighting Hungary's continued confidence in the platform's capabilities. The newly ordered Gripen Cs boast advanced capabilities like advanced radar systems and beyond-visual-range air-to-air combat missiles, bolstering Hungary's air defense capabilities.

Looking beyond the initial delivery, the press release highlights Saab's commitment to providing comprehensive support and upgrades for the Hungarian Gripen fleet throughout its lifecycle. This could include maintenance, training, and access to future technology advancements, potentially extending the operational lifespan of the aircraft well beyond 2035. This long-term commitment fosters trust and ensures the Hungarian Air Force remains equipped with a capable and modernized defense system.

https://alert5.com/2024/02/25/hungary-doubles-down-on-gripen-saab-secures-order-for-four-more-fighters/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 26/02/2024 | 15:30 uur
US Navy Seeks New Active Expendable Decoy To Protect Aircraft

The US Navy has issued an updated special notice seeking industry feedback for a new active expendable decoy to protect aircraft against guided missiles

The US Navy recently issued an updated Request for Solutions (RFS) notice, seeking to develop a freefall Radio Frequency Countermeasure (RFCM) decoy system.

The notice states that the service is interested in an Active Expendable Device (AED) that has broadband coverage and is capable of being used against networked sea-, air- and land-based Integrated Air Defense Systems (IADS) with coherent radars.

Furthermore, the notice states that, "the RFCM AED must prevent radar-guided munitions or their effects from damaging aircraft, and these devices shall have the ability to produce an optimal survivability solution against the most advanced threats."

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https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/02/us-navy-seeks-new-active-expendable-decoy-to-protect-aircraft/



https://sam.gov/opp/705779f7002241e89dda1945024eb69c/view
TENDER
Freefall Radio Frequency Countermeasure (RFCM), Active Expendable Device (AED)

PURPOSE
This Request for Solutions (RFS) is issued seeking to develop a broad band, freefall Radio Frequency (RF) Countermeasure (CM) Active Expendable Device (AED) for use against networked sea-, air- and land-based Integrated Air Defense Systems (IADS) with coherent radars. The AED will replace GEN-X and provide an expanded capability with user programmable Electronic Warfare (EW) Digital RF Memory (DRFM) technology.  This approach will address current and future threats by offering both detection and threat defeat aspects of defensive EW in an expendable package compatible with the ALE-47/Common Carriage Upgrade. 

PROJECT OVERVIEW
Advanced Air-to-Air and Surface-to-Air RF guided threats are employing bands of the Electromagnetic Spectrum (EMS) requiring RFCM with expanded frequency coverage and EMS agility.  RT-1489/ALE Generic Expendable (GEN-X) decoy, the existing DoN freefall RFCM, is based on 1980s technology that is: obsolete, out of production, limited in its capability, designed against an outdated threat list, not programmable/updateable, and in a 36mm round form-factor.  The ALE-47/Common Carriage aircraft CM Dispenser System (CMDS) upgrade is moving all expendable countermeasures to form-factor solutions commonly utilized by other services.

The RFCM AED must prevent radar-guided munitions or their effects from damaging aircraft, and these devices shall have the ability to produce an optimal survivability solution against the most advanced threats. Furthermore, aircrews require aircraft that can withstand engagements and the effects of threat weapon system munitions. Protecting aircrews and passengers from injury during enemy engagements is critical.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 29/02/2024 | 10:10 uur
Singapore Adds F-35As To Expand Its Stealth Fighter Fleet (dit was te verwachten)

After committing to STOVL F-35Bs, Singapore will now buy conventional takeoff and landing F-35As as part of its modernization drive.

by Thomas Newdick | PUBLISHED Feb 28, 2024 1:04 PM EST

Singapore will add eight conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL) F-35A stealth fighters to its existing order for 12 short takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL) F-35B variants. While Singapore had not previously ruled out the F-35A version, which offers various performance and cost advantages, it has now committed to a highly capable and versatile future fighter fleet that will comprise the F-35A, F-35B, and fourth-generation F-15SG — an advanced development of the F-15E Strike Eagle.

Singapore's Minister of Defense Dr. Ng Eng Hen said that the combination of F-35s will put the Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) in the "premier league" of air arms. The 20-strong Joint Strike Fighter fleet will also start to replace the RSAF's aging but still-capable F-16C/D force. Speaking during a budget debate in parliament today, Dr. Ng said that the F-35As are expected to be delivered around 2030.

The decision to buy F-35As is part of increased investment in Singapore's armed forces, as defense spending grows by a factor of 2.5 percent in the 2024-25 financial year, reaching around $15 billion. The exact cost of the F-35A purchase has not been disclosed, as is typical for Singaporean defense procurements.

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Lawrence Wong, Singapore Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance, sits in a U.S. Air Force F-35A on October 6, 2023, during a visit to Luke Air Force Base, Arizona. U.S. Air Force photo by Airman 1st Class Elias Carrero

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https://www.twz.com/air/singapore-adds-f-35as-to-expand-its-stealth-fighter-fleet
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Huzaar1 op 01/03/2024 | 00:15 uur
Nou als je minister van financien al zo uit zn ogen kijkt in een f35 is het wel feest ja.
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 08/03/2024 | 15:02 uur
EXCLUSIVE: F-35A officially certified to carry nuclear bomb

The designation marks the first time that a stealth fighter can carry a nuclear weapon, in this case the B61-12 thermonuclear gravity bomb.

The F-35A Joint Strike Fighter has been operationally certified to carry the B61-12 thermonuclear gravity bomb, a spokesman for the F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) tells Breaking Defense.

In a statement, JPO spokesman Russ Goemaere said the certification was achieved Oct. 12, months ahead of a pledge to NATO allies that the process would wrap by January 2024. Certain F-35As will now be capable of carrying the B61-12, officially making the stealth fighter a "dual-capable" aircraft that can carry both conventional and nuclear weapons.

"The F-35A is the first 5th generation nuclear capable aircraft ever, and the first new platform (fighter or bomber) to achieve this status since the early 1990s. This F-35 Nuclear Certification effort culminates 10+ years of intense effort across the nuclear enterprise, which consists of 16 different government and industry stakeholders," Goemaere said. "The F-35A achieved Nuclear Certification ahead of schedule, providing US and NATO with a critical capability that supports US extended deterrence commitments earlier than anticipated.�"

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https://breakingdefense.com/2024/03/exclusive-f-35a-officially-certified-to-carry-nuclear-bomb/?_ga=2.86643035.251398763.1709543617-1958275474.1666165906
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Sparkplug op 13/03/2024 | 08:32 uur
F-35 Program Achieves Milestone C and Full Rate Production (eindelijk)

March 12, 2024

Earlier today, the Milestone Decision Authority, Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Sustainment, Dr. William A. LaPlante, approved the Milestone C / Full Rate Production (MSC/FRP) of the F-35 Lightning II aircraft with the signing of an Acquisition Decision Memorandum (ADM) after a meeting with the Defense Acquisition Board (DAB).

The F-35 achieved this milestone after considering the results from the F-35 Combined Initial Operational Test and Evaluation and Live Fire Test and Evaluation Report, System Development and Demonstration exit criteria, statutory/regulatory documentation compliance, future production strategy, and draft acquisition program baseline details. Proceeding to MSC/FRP requires control of the manufacturing process, acceptable performance and reliability, and the establishment of adequate sustainment and support systems.

The DAB, which met on March 7, 2024, was chaired by Dr. LaPlante, and is the department's senior-level forum for critical decisions concerning acquisition programs at the Department of Defense.

"This is a major achievement for the F-35 Program," LaPlante said. "This decision—backed by my colleagues in the Department—highlights to the Services, F-35 Cooperative Program Partners, and Foreign Military Sales customers that the F-35 is stable and agile, and that all statutory and regulatory requirements have been appropriately addressed. The F-35 Program is the premier system that drives interoperability with our allies and partners while contributing to the integrated deterrence component of our National Defense Strategy."

With this milestone, the program is now well positioned to efficiently produce and deliver the next generation of aircraft to meet the evolving needs of our services, partners, and FMS customers.

"I am very proud of our team, and this is a huge accomplishment!" said Lt. Gen. Mike Schmidt, Director and Program Executive Officer, F-35 Joint Program Office. "The F-35 enterprise has made significant improvements over the last decade, and we will always be driven to continuously improve sustainability, interoperability, and lethality so warfighters have the capability needed to fight and win when called to do so. Moreover, the Program and our great people can now focus on the future of the F-35 instead of the past."

In September 2023, a key gateway for MS C/FRP was achieved when F-35 Runs for Score in the Joint Simulation Environment (JSE) and initial trial validation were completed.

"DOT&E conducted analysis of the results from Initial Operational Test and Evaluation (IOT&E) and Live Fire Test and Evaluation and delivered a comprehensive, combined report as required by statute to inform the Milestone C / Full Rate Production decision. DOT&E also provided a separate annex that assessed post-IOT&E Block 4 operational testing of the 30P06 and 30P07 software." said Dr. Raymond D. O'Toole, Jr., Acting Director, Operational Test & Evaluation. "The Program is working to address DOT&E's findings and recommendations contained in the report. One of DOT&E's concerns is to continue to improve test infrastructure for support development and to ensure readiness to test of the upcoming Block 4 capabilities. This includes timely deliveries of the next iterations of F-35-In-A-Box for integration into the JSE."

Achieving MSC/FRP is important to the program, and it helps to validate the aircraft's capabilities for present and future partners of the F-35 enterprise.

To date, over 990 F-35 aircraft have been delivered to the U.S. Services, F-35 Cooperative Program Partners, and Foreign Military Sales customers.

The F-35 offers multi-mission capability, including strategic attack, suppression/destruction of enemy air defenses (SEAD/DEAD), offensive/defensive counter air, anti-surface warfare, strike coordination and reconnaissance, and close air support. It brings stealth, sensor fusion, and interoperability to enable access in contested environments and enhances situational awareness.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3704808/f-35-program-achieves-milestone-c-and-full-rate-production/
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 13/03/2024 | 10:55 uur
USAF Seeks NGAD Fighter Boost, Navy F/A-XX Investment Slows In New Budget

The Air Force and Navy appear to have prioritized their next generation fighter programs differently in the Pentagon's 2025 budget request.

https://www.twz.com/air/usaf-seeks-ngad-fighter-boost-navy-f-a-xx-investment-slows-in-new-budget


F-15EX Fleet To Be Cut Down To 98 Jets In New Air Force Budget

The USAF is still trying to get a handle on how many F-15EXs it actually wants, but how many it really needs is another question.

https://www.twz.com/air/f-15ex-fleet-to-be-cut-down-to-98-jets-in-new-air-force-budget
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 14/03/2024 | 08:15 uur
Brazilian air force plans a new squadron of Saab JAS 39 Gripen fighters

The Brazilian Air Force is considering a new squadron of Saab JAS 39 Gripen fighters. According to an order issued on March 5, 2024, by the Brazilian Air Force General Staff (Emaer), a working group has been established to develop guidelines for activating the 1st/4th GAV Pacau Squadron at Anápolis Air Base (BAAN), one of the largest air bases in South America. The order discusses the reactivation of the Pacau Squadron in Anápolis, a unit many thought would remain disbanded in favor of the 1st/16th GAV - Adelphi Squadron, which ceased operations in 2016 when it was flying Embraer A-1 AMX tactical fighters.

Currently, the SAAB Gripen fighter is only operated by the 1st Air Defense Group of the Anápolis Air Base (BAAN). The 1st GDA is traditionally an air defense unit, specialized in interception, air superiority, and air dominance. However, it is envisaged that the Pacau Squadron might be deployed for air-to-ground missions, while the 1st GDA would maintain its traditional air-to-air combat profile.

In December 2023, the 1st Air Defense Group at Anápolis Air Base, which operates Gripen fighters, had seven aircraft, including the test aircraft 4100 performing trials from the Gripen flight test center at Embraer in Gavião Peixoto (SP) since 2020. Saab had agreed to a contract for a fleet of 36 aircraft with the South American country in 2013. As part of this transfer to the Brazilian Air Force, training was organized in partnership with Saab and the Swedish Air Force's Phoenix Squadron. Additionally, Swedish support groups are also present at Anápolis Base to assist the FAB in commissioning the Gripen E.

The Saab JAS 39 Gripen is a versatile, fourth-generation multi-role fighter aircraft developed by the Swedish aerospace company Saab. Featuring a delta wing and canard configuration, it offers exceptional agility and performance. The Gripen entered service with the Swedish Air Force in 1997 and has been adopted by several other countries. Known for its cost-effectiveness, ease of maintenance, and advanced avionics and systems, the Gripen can execute a variety of missions, including air defense, reconnaissance, and ground attack. Continuously updated since its production began in the late 1980s, the Gripen represents a contemporary solution for modern air forces looking for operational flexibility.

This initiative to strengthen Anápolis with the activation of a new squadron of F-39 Gripen highlights the strategic importance of this air base for the defense of Brazilian territory. It also reflects the versatility and advanced capabilities of the Gripen fighter, capable of adapting to various types of missions and thus enhancing the operational efficiency of the Brazilian Air Force.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_march_2024_global_security_army_industry/brazilian_air_force_plans_a_new_squadron_of_saab_jas_39_gripen_fighters.html
Titel: Re: Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen
Bericht door: Harald op 15/03/2024 | 12:07 uur
How F-35s Deployed To A Narrow Highway In California
https://www.twz.com/sea/how-f-35s-deployed-to-a-narrow-highway-in-california

The War Zone was on the scene for VMX-1's exercise Obsidian Iceberg, that served as a glimpse of what's to come in the Pacific.

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