Nieuwe ontwikkelingen op BOXER gebied

[Huzaar1]

Nee veel te hoog. Echt veel te hoog, zelfs voor operationeel gebruik erg lastig lijkt me.

[Parera]

Nope, niet vervoerbaar via spoor. Ding had echt minder hoog moeten zijn. Volgens mij komen we daar pijnlijk langszaam achter.

Op den duur zullen er concessies gedaan worden en ik vermoed dat we best eens een uitzondering op trein transport afmetingen kunnen zien. Maar die zijn echt heel sterk.

Is dat probleem er nog steeds als men de radar er afhaalt zoals in de meest recente renders (onderste afbeelding) en onderstaande foto?
De toren zou voorzien zijn van AESA platen i.p.v. een draaiende radar, er zijn nog geen testen met de nieuwe combinatie gedaan.


Hier een betere foto van de nieuwe Boxer Skyranger

photo via https://twitter.com/DTRmag

[Huzaar1]

Nope, niet vervoerbaar via spoor. Ding had echt minder hoog moeten zijn. Volgens mij komen we daar pijnlijk langszaam achter.

Op den duur zullen er concessies gedaan worden en ik vermoed dat we best eens een uitzondering op trein transport afmetingen kunnen zien. Maar die zijn echt heel sterk.

[Parera]

Rheinmetall at Eurosatory 2018

https://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/public_relations/news/latest_news/index_17152.php

• Oerlikon Skyranger Boxer mobile air defence system: A highly effective wheeled armoured air defence system based on the battle-tested 8x8 Boxer, it is equipped with a 35mm revolver cannon as well as its own suite of search and target-tracking sensors.

• 120 mm Ragnarok mortar combat system: A highly flexible, highly adaptable automated 120mm mortar combat system for integration into combat vehicles.


Zou die Skyranger Boxer niet het voorstel van de Duitse studie zijn voor de Short Range Anti Air welke in 2023 binnen de Duitse eenheden moet instromen ?

Zou die 120mm Ragnarok mortier niet een optie zijn op de Boxer zijn als Boxer Mortier variant ?

https://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/public_relations/exhibitions/eurosatory_2018/booth_map/index.php

Die skyranger is niets nieuws maar tot op heden niets geworden, ik vermoed dat dit wel het voorstel zal zijn. De mortier weet ik niet zeker maar het lijkt erop dat het een systeem is dat in meerdere voertuigen te plaatsen is, mogelijk wel in de boxer maar waarschijnlijk ook op andere voertuigen.

[Harald]

Rheinmetall at Eurosatory 2018

https://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/public_relations/news/latest_news/index_17152.php

• Oerlikon Skyranger Boxer mobile air defence system: A highly effective wheeled armoured air defence system based on the battle-tested 8x8 Boxer, it is equipped with a 35mm revolver cannon as well as its own suite of search and target-tracking sensors.

• 120 mm Ragnarok mortar combat system: A highly flexible, highly adaptable automated 120mm mortar combat system for integration into combat vehicles.


Zou die Skyranger Boxer niet het voorstel van de Duitse studie zijn voor de Short Range Anti Air welke in 2023 binnen de Duitse eenheden moet instromen ?

Zou die 120mm Ragnarok mortier niet een optie zijn op de Boxer zijn als Boxer Mortier variant ?

https://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/public_relations/exhibitions/eurosatory_2018/booth_map/index.php

[Sparkplug]

Heeft indirect te maken met de Boxer. In dit geval de Boxer CRV

Australia selects Spike LR2

http://www.janes.com/article/80187/australia-selects-spike-lr2

[Harald]

http://defencetechnologyreview.realviewdigital.com/?iguid=40483767-9451-46c3-ab78-403f67b06a76#folio=1

staat vol met Boxer nieuwtjes

[Sparkplug]

MoD, industry provide UK parliament with more details on Boxer procurement

http://www.janes.com/article/79580/mod-industry-provide-uk-parliament-with-more-details-on-boxer-procurement

[Harald]

British MoD names Boxer vehicle as best choice for Army brigades, but lawmakers skeptical

https://www.defensenews.com/land/2018/04/24/british-mod-names-boxer-vehicle-as-best-choice-for-army-brigades-but-lawmakers-skeptical/

[Parera]

Interessante ontwikkelingen die eigenlijk wel bekend waren (30 mm / 120 mm) maar nu bevestigd dat het er ook waarschijnlijk gaat komen. Ook die Fennek aanvulling klinkt heel interessant ook voor Nederland. Een andere optie kan zijn die wel ergens gezien is (originele britse plannen) is een UAV carrier met een formaat UAV zoals de RQ-21 blackjack en ingebouwde lanceer rails.
Waarschijnlijk een tweede voertuig met de ''arm'' om het toestel op te vangen.

Slovenia weighs up Boxer mortar variant
Fresh from announcing its intention to purchase the Boxer 8x8 armoured vehicle, Slovenia has revealed an additional requirement for several 120mm mortar carrier variants of the German vehicle.

--Het restant van het artikel zit achter de betaalmuur--
[Source: Shepardmedia @ Article ]

[Harald]

ik kwam nog wat info tegen omtrent ontwikkelingen met de Boxer zie hieronder enkele delen van een groter artikel ;

(Boxer Joint Fire Support )

According to the German website hartpunkt.de, the German Army plans to use the Boxer as base for a heavy vehicle for the joint fire support team (JFST) units. This Boxer JFST variant would be equipped with a high quality sensor package, probably the mast-mounted BAA II surveillance and reconnaissance platform from Hensoldt Optronics, that is already being used on the light JFST vehicle on the Fennek 4x4. Rheinmetall as member of Artec also offers a number of sensor platforms for ground vehicles, such as Vingtaqs II system that is operational with the Norwegian and Malaysian militaries. Alternatively the greater payload and internal volume of the Boxer could be used for a larger sensor package, which could in theory also include a larger ground surveillance radar unit. A Fennek can carry only the equipment for either ground-to-ground coordination or ground-to-air coordination, each Fennek JFST vehicle is hence specialized on either role. The Boxer has enough room to hypothetically carry the equipment for both tasks, although it hasn't been decided if a single Boxer should be used for both roles. The Boxer was chosen over a competiting design based on the PMMC G5. Unlike current JSFT solutions from the UK and the United States, the Boxer is not expected to be fitted with a direct fire gun or anti-tank missiles. There is a requirement for about 20 to 30 Boxer heavy JFST vehicles.

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(van onderstaande weten we dat Duitsland voor deze keuze heeft gekozen)

Currently there are also plans for a fire support variant of the Boxer for the Jäger units, according to Inspector of the Army Jörg Vollmer, who is in charge of the German Army. The plans see the fifth (heavy) company of each battalion receiving Boxers with direct fire guns.
The exact type of armament has not been specified, but given earlier reports it seems likely that the interest is focused around the 30 x 173 mm calibre, i.e. the same MK 30-2/ABM main gun as used on the German Puma infantry fighting vehicle (IFV). The vehicle might as well be fitted with a launcher for the Spike-LR anti-tank guided missile (ATGM).

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(waarschijnlijk de NL keuze.. met een Bushmaster III 35/50 mm )

The Lance turret on the other hand is available in either unmanned or manned configuration, but it seems likely that only the latter is being considered, as this was already installed on several Boxer prototypes including the Boxer CRV. It is larger than a Puma turret and also heavier, when fitted with a similar armor package; however in theory it can also adopt larger calibre guns such as the 35 x 228 mm Wotan 35 chain gun.

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(Boxer Direct Fire Support)

Given that the new Boxer variant is meant as a fire support vehicle, one could wonder why the armament choice is supposedly focused on the 30 mm calibre, when other vehicles of the same type are often fitted with larger guns. E.g. the Belgian Army has adopted a number of Piranha IIICs with a 90 mm Cockerill gun for direct fire support, while a Rosomak prototype was fitted with the Cockerill 3105 turret. The Boxer with a much higher maximum gross vehicle weight - the latest available variant can support up to 38.5 metric tons and can be fitted with a 800 horsepower engine - should have no issues accepting a low-profile turret with a 120 mm smoothbore gun (such as the 120 mm L/47 LLR from Rheinmetall).

Aside of the exact turret choice, a number of other questions remain. A key question revolves around the role of the Jäger (light mechanized/motorized infantry) compared to the Panzergenadiere (mechanized infantry). Traditionally only the Panzergrenadiere are making use of infantry fighting vehicles, while the Jäger are limited to "battle taxi" style vehicles, which also affects the doctrines of these units. However putting a gun on an armored personnel carrier (APC) doesn't mean that it has to be employed like an IFV. Another decision yet to be made is focused on wether the Boxer fire support variant will carry a dismount squad or not. If a dismount squad is carried, it needs to be smaller in order to compensate for the ammunition storage, the gun operator(s) and the turret basket (in case a manned turret is chosen). Regardless of the decision, a contractt is not expected to be made before 2019. Then the Boxer fire support vehicles could enter service in 2021. A total of about 100 vehicles is required based on the current amount of German Boxer APCs.

https://below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.nl/2017/10/the-market-for-wheeled-8x8-is-not.html

[Harald]

Slovenia weighs up Boxer mortar variant

Fresh from announcing its intention to purchase the Boxer 8x8 armoured vehicle, Slovenia has revealed an additional requirement for several 120mm mortar carrier variants of the German vehicle.

In February, the central European country announced that it would purchase enough Boxers to equip a Medium Infantry Battalion Group, with the ...

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/slovenia-weighs-boxer-mortar-variant/

[Harald]

UK to re-join Boxer program, 14 years after opting out

Fourteen years after exiting development of the Boxer wheeled armored vehicle, the U.K. Ministry of Defence has opted to rejoin the program with the intention to equip the British Army with the 8x8 starting 2023.

"The U.K. will re-join the Boxer program and explore options to equip the Army with the 8x8 troop carriers to modernize its vehicle fleet and meet the Army's mechanized infantry vehicle requirement," the MoD said.

The British left the program in 2003, citing changing requirements as the reason behind the move and claiming at the time that vehicle weight growth made the Boxer too heavy for transport by Royal Air Force C-130s. Germany and a new partner, the Netherlands, have gone on to order several hundred vehicles for themselves and export customers.

The British choice received a boost last month when Australia selected the Boxer for its Land 400 Phase 2 program after a rigorous competition. Slovenia also selected the vehicle last month and Lithuania became the programs first export customer in 2016, with first deliveries scheduled for this year.

The British are now conducting an assessment phase on the MIV program which is expected to be complete next year and is in negotiations with the Organisation for Joint Armament Cooperation (OCCAR) and Artec to rejoin the Boxer program.

OCCAR is a European intergovernmental organization, which manages collaborative armament programs, including Boxer, through their lifecycle.

"The assessment phase, concluding in 2019, will consider the comparable benefits of manufacturing locations and different supply chains for Boxer, as well as value-for-money. Any deal will be subject to commercial negotiation and assessment in 2019. The aim is to have the first vehicles in service with the Army in 2023.

The MoD chose 5:30 p.m. on Easter Saturday to announce its controversial intention not to hold a competition to procure an 8x8 for the new Army strike brigades being forming as part of a wider restructuring plan. Instead, the U.K. will take a significant step towards buying the German-built vehicle in a single source deal.

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https://www.defensenews.com/land/2018/04/02/uk-to-re-join-boxer-program-17-years-after-opting-out/

[Harald]

Rheinmetall wins $3 billion Australian armored vehicle competition

Australia's Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, Defence Minister Marise Payne and Minister for Defence Industry Christopher Pyne announced Wednesday that Rheinmetall Defence Australia has been selected to supply its Boxer Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle to the Australian Army.

A total of 211 vehicles will be acquired under the Australian Defence Force's Project Land 400 Phase 2, valued at an estimated AU$5 billion (U.S. $3.3 billion). The first vehicle will be delivered in 2020.

The Boxer CRV is a version of the eight-wheel drive Boxer infantry fighting vehicle in service with Germany's Bundeswehr, fitted with a two-person LANCE turret and Mauser Mk.30-2 30mm cannon.

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https://www.defensenews.com/land/2018/03/14/rheinmetall-wins-3-billion-australian-armoured-vehicle-competition/

[Huzaar1]

Wat dat betreft zitten Zuid-Amerika, Noord-Afrika en het Midden-Oosten ook in de beste positie. Die krijgen het makkelijkste spullen voor het minste geld.