Nieuwe ontwikkelingen op BOXER gebied

[Harald]

http://www.kmweg.com/home/artillery/autonoumus-howitzer/agm/product-information.html

[Harald]

Boxer tested with AGM           (kun je beter voor deze versie kiezen, reeds al eens besproken hier op het forum )

Krauss-Maffei Wegmann has confirmed to the Eurosatory Daily that the ARTEC Boxer Multi-Role Armoured Vehicle (MRAV) has recently been fitted with its 155mm Artillery Gun Module (AGM), with initial firing trials scheduled to take place at the Meppen firing range later this year.

The AGM is a remote-controlled turret armed with the 155mm/ 52 calibre ordnance that is fitted to the combat-proven Krauss- Maffei Wegmann PzH 2000 tracked self-propelled artillery system deployed by Germany, Greece, Italy and the Netherlands and on order for Qatar.

The AGM is provided with 30 155mm projectiles and 145 modular charges, with six modules used for maximum range. The latter depends on the type of projectile, but a range of more than 40km can be achieved firing an unassisted projectile.

The projectiles and associated charges are loaded automatically, and the weapon is aimed and fired by remote control from the safety of the cab. A rate of fire of up to eight rounds a minute can be achieved. Time into and out of action is currently being quoted as just 30 seconds, meaning that the system cannot be engaged by counter-battery fire.

The AGM was originally successfully tested on a surplus Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) tracked chassis. This was followed by the Donar, which is the AGM integrated onto a new tracked hull developed by General Dynamics European Land Systems Santa Barbara Sistemas. The AGM could potentially also be integrated on other wheeled chassis or used in the static role for forward operating base defence.

Boxer is in production for Germany and the Netherlands. Eurosatory Daily sources have indicated that a number of export customers are interested in the Boxer for a wider range of missions, which could include the AGM version.

http://www.janes.com/article/39631/boxer-tested-with-agm-es14e4

[Ace1]

This artillery system is armed with a FH70 155-mm/L39 howitzer

Is dit een minpunt of niet en wie heeft hier iets aan toe te voegen?

This prototype self-propelled howitzer can use all standard NATO 155-mm projectiles. It is also compatible with newly-developed OTO Melara Volcano both guided and unguided long-range projectiles, which have a maximum range of up to 60 km.

Dit lijk me wel weer een pluspunt ?

http://www.military-today.com/artillery/porcupine.htm

Defensie heeft toch nog 14 FH70´s in depot staan?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FH70

http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/documenten-en-publicaties/kamerstukken/2010/04/19/kamerbrief-inzake-verkoop-fh70-houwitser.html

[Ace1]

Nog wat meer foto´s van de  CENTAURO 155 39 L

[Ace1]

Ik zag bij toeval dat Oto Melara en Iveco op basis van de B1CENTAURO  de CENTAURO 155 39 LW heeft ontwikkeld.
De B1CENTAURO is een tankdestroyer met een turret 105 kanon en de CENTAURO 155 39 LW  heeft een turret met een 155mm houwitser
Dus het is te doen om een pantservoertuig met een 155mm houwitser uit te rusten.

The Centauro is a high mobility 8x8 wheeled armored combat vehicle family designed to perform a variety of missions. It was developed by Iveco Defense Vehicles, Consorzio IVECO Fiat-OTO Melara and OTO Melara for the Italian Army in the late 1980s. The first variant, the Centauro cavalry fighting vehicle, entered service in 1991. The second variant of Centauro introduced in 2009, known as Centauro 8x8 VBC or Centauro VBM, features add-on armor for increased protection, larger troops compartment and a turret-mounted 25mm cannon to serve as an infantry fighting vehicle (IFV). Other versions have been developed for air defense, field artillery and recovery and repair of damaged Centauros on the battlefield.

The Centauro 155/39 LW is a self-propelled howitzer (SPH) featuring high mobility thanks to its 8x8 chassis, rapid deployability, elevated agility and high survivability. The wheeled chassis also provides lower operating and maintenance costs compared with tracked chassis self-propelled howitzers. Its primary armament is a lightweight 155mm 39-caliber cannon equipped with an automatic loading system for both projectiles and propelling charges. The cannon can fire both all NATO standard ammunition and VULCANO guided ammunition. The Centauro SPH requires less than 3 minutes to be deployed and be ready to fire and one minute to leave the scene after the intervention. This weapon system is fully digitized with Network Centric Warfare (NCW) capabilities and is well suited for operations within asymmetric warfare. For self-defense purposes, it can be fitted with a roof-mounted remote weapon station. IVECO Defense Vehicles unveiled the Centauro 155/39 LW weapon system during the Eurosatory 2012 exhibition in Paris, France.



http://www.deagel.com/Self-Propelled-Howitzers/Centauro-15539-LW_a000412005.aspx

meer info

http://www.military-today.com/artillery/porcupine.htm

http://www.armyrecognition.com/mspo_2012_show_daily_news_pictures_video_uk/oto_melara_presents_its_new_wheeled_self-propelled_howitzer_centauro_155_at_mspo_2012_0409121.html

http://www.otomelara.it/products-services/landsystems/centauro-155-39lw

http://www.otomelara.it/documents/1287567/3806643/body_centauro_155mm_2013.pdf

[Ace1]

"One Heart, Many Variants", CMI Defence unveils new Cockerill 3000 series weapon system

Infantry-led mounted and dismounted operations are in ever greater need of effective fire support. Peacekeeping, reconnaissance and counterinsurgency operations have the same need. This need must be met costeffectively using weapon systems that remain flexible and effective throughout their service lives. To meet this need, CMI Defence has developed the new Cockerill 3000 Series weapon system, which is showcased for the first time at IDEX 2015 in Abu Dhabi.


New Cockerill 3000 Series displayed at IDEX 2015 in two-man 30/40mm form ("Cockerill 3030/40") on General Dynamics European Land Systems Desert Piranha chassis

This unique system comprises a single, common core platform that supports a large variety of configurations and capabilities, from 25mm IFV to 105mm Direct Fire Support vehicle. The new Cockerill 3000 Series product is displayed at IDEX 2015 in two-man 30/40mm form ("Cockerill 3030/40") on the General Dynamics European Land Systems Desert Piranha chassis.

The Cockerill 3000 Series is a unique new turret product from CMI Defence. Conceived to deliver unprecedented levels of value to the User, the Cockerill 3000 Series delivers cutting-edge day/night,stabilised, high-precision weapon system capability, is a single modular, common core platform that provides a single common heart to many products and variants, and can be readily configured and re configured as necessary through-life, according to role and operational demand. Its interchangeably accepts a wide range of weapon types and caliberres, from 25mm automatic cannon to 105mm NATO-standard tank gun. CMI's Cockerill 3000 Series offer significant reductions in whole-life cost and increases in operational flexibility. now sold in several different configurations and entering production.

In its standard form, the Cockerill 3000 Series provides full digital weapon stabilisation and computerised fire control to deliver very high target-hit probability. Thermal and day sights permit 24-hour operation whether the vehicle is static or moving. The User can select ballistic protection up to STANAG Level 5. In short, the Cockerill 3000 Series does everything that the modern soldier expects and more.


New Cockerill 3000 Series displayed at IDEX 2015 in two-man 30/40mm form ("Cockerill 3030/40") on General Dynamics European Land Systems Desert Piranha chassis

Depending upon configuration, the Cockerill 3000 Series may be integrated with wheeled or tracked chassis weighing as little as 20 tonnes. This means high tactical and strategic mobility without abandoning protection.
CMI Defence delivers total through-life support to the Cockerill 3000 Series product. This includes advanced training simulator systems (PC-based, Embedded and Mobile), tactical training centres, spare parts, training services, maintenance services, capability upgrades and more. The Cockerill 3000 Series can be acquired with complete confidence that it will remain effective throughout its service life.

The through-life cost of operating a military system is a major concern for all Customers. The Cockerill 3000 Series addresses this issue answer because it provides a full range of capability using a single basic platform. This offers substantial technical commonality, reduction in maintenance training costs, lower operator training costs, manning flexibility (common HMI), common systems upgrades, and a rapid reconfiguration (e.g. conversion from 105mm to 40mm).

The Cockerill 3000 Series is a radical departure from tradition. As such it offers the User lower costs, greater confidence and higher operational capability through-life.

In combination with the General Dynamics European Land Systems Desert Piranha chassis, the Cockerill 3000 Series offers a uniquely effective and flexible combat system. In this occasion, the Desert PIRANHA was the selected platform as it has successfully been trialed all over the Middle East. It is a specifically built variant of the latest PIRANHA 5 for the demanding climate and challenging terrain of the Middle East. The vehicle has been extensively tested under gruesome conditions in the desert and rocky mountain ranges. In addition, the Desert PIRANHA participated successfully in summer trials in the Middle East. The Desert PIRANHA benefits from a sophisticated drivetrain and hence provides outstanding mobility both off-road and on-road. The latter is becoming ever more important with the increasing number of missions in urban terrain. 

A modular and scalable protection concept enables quick protection up-graded against an ever changing arsenal of threats and hence always provides adequate protection. The interior of the Desert PIRANHA is among the highest in its category and offer plenty of space for multiple missions. Finally, the vehicles electronic architecture was developed with the focus on the easy and seamless integration of even complex systems and with an open and scalable infrastructure to cater for future systems. Thus the Desert PIRANHA has growth potential for the future inbuilt.
The Cockerill 3000 Series is sold, in production and will soon enter active service.

The Cockerill 3000 Series offers a great advance in terms of cost-effective highperformance direct-fire capability for highly mobile forces.

It offers unique value to the User in terms of combat performance, re-roleing, reduced logistics, simpler operation and lower through-life costs. The Cockerill 3000 Series: "One Heart, Many Variants".

http://armyrecognition.com/idex_2015_news_official_online_show_daily_coverage/_one_heart_many_variants_cmi_defence_unveils_new_cockerill_3000_series_weapon_system.html

[Ace1]

Rheinmetall surprises IDEX 2015 with a High Energy Laser mounted on a GTK Boxer platform

The Boxer family concept is based on a uniform drive module and interchangeable, user/role-specific mission modules. Designed for maximum versatility, these build-on modules lend themselves to the development of a wide variety of mission-specific variants. At IDEX 2015, a Boxer vehicle equipped with a high energy laser (HEL) effector module is on display at the Rheinmetall stand, exemplifying the extraordinary versatility of this state-of-the-art fighting vehicle.


The GTK Boxer with a High Energy Laser at IDEX 2015

The 20 kW-class Mobile HEL Effector Wheel XX mounted on the GTK Boxer features a special HEL effector module that takes full advantage of the vehicle's unique modularity and Rheinmetall's proprietary HEL effector know-how, which is based on beam superimposing technology. Moreover, this technology makes it possible to combine several GTK Boxer HEL vehicles, creating a system of systems with an effective power level of over 100 kW.

The HEL Boxer represents the leading edge of a Mobile Highe Engergy Laser Weapon. Integrating a Laser Weapon Module including power supply and cooling into the Boxer vehicle, with its inherent high level of protection and the unique mobility.

The HEL Boxer is able to neutralize modern air and asymmetric threats with its outstanding flexibility from defeating optronics on air crafts, downing Unmanned Aerial Systems (UAS), neutralizing ammunition of weapon systems without detroying them and disposing of unexplodes ordnance and clearing battlefield obstacles.

The HEL boxer has a lot of advantages: its mobility, its low cost per engagement, is ability to engage optronic systems, UAS, ammunition and weapon systems, unexplodes ordnances...


Zoom on the HEL mounted on a Boxer at Rheinmetall's booth

http://www.armyrecognition.com/idex_2015_news_official_online_show_daily_coverage/rheinmetall_surprises_idex_2015_with_a_high_energy_laser_mounted_on_a_gtk_boxer_platform.html

[Ace1]

KMW presents the GTK Boxer variant with a LANCE RC turret at IDEX 2015

Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW) is exhibiting the newest generation of its vehicle systems at IDEX 2015: the GTK Boxer as a wheeled armoured personnel carrier variant with a Puma turret for the first time. Integrating the world's most advanced infantry fighting vehicle's turret into the Boxer's 8x8 chassis unites the state of the art technologies of both of these systems, which have already been qualified and introduced into the German Armed Forces.

The unmanned turret with its sighting system and 30mm automatic cannon alongside the extremely high mobility of the Boxer chassis make this Boxer one of the most powerful wheeled armoured personnel carriers in the world. The high level of protection against heavy blast mines and machine guns is also the basis of this vehicle variant's excellent survivability and sustainment capabilities when deployed.

The turret installed on the Boxer is the Rheinmetall Defence Lance RC, the remote control version of the Lance turret equipping Puma IFV. Lance is a medium-calibre turret system on the cutting edge of modern military technology. Owing to its compact dimensions and low weight, it can be mounted on a variety of different platforms, including relatively lightweight wheeled vehicles. Moreover, the modular turret concept offers scope for growth throughout the product's entire lifecycle. Even today, the basic version's capabilities can be expanded in a number of ways: with a situational awareness system, for example, or an independent weapon station or additional commander's sight for providing hunter-killer functionality. Importantly, the LANCE RC's crew can reload without leaving the safety of the armoured fighting compartment. This feature is a direct response to experience gained during current deployed operations, as is the ability to fire the weapon in superelevation mode (60°).

The main weapon is the MK30-2 / ABM automatic cannon, developed and built by Rheinmetall. The use of this cannon brings a host of advantages for the vehicle crew. The turret has a reserve of 200 rounds of two different ammunition types for the main weapon. This means that the weapon can be resupplied with ammunition without the soldiers having to leave the protected vehicle interior. The turret also enables moving targets to be engaged accurately and effectively even when the vehicle itself is moving. Naturally, other weapons of various calibers or from other suppliers can also be integrated in the LANCE turret. Full flexibility is ensured in this respect as well.
The Boxer's modular design concept allows for a variety of missionspecific vehicle variants. Numerous modules such as the ambulance, training or command post variants have already been introduced to the German and Dutch Armed Forces. The recently presented artillery variant emphasises the unique capability spectrum of this system.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/idex_2015_news_official_online_show_daily_coverage/kmw_presents_the_gtk_boxer_variant_with_a_lance_rc_turret_at_idex_2015.html

[Huzaar1]

Zo cumulatief zitten deze deals niet in elkaar, te veel tussenstations,afspraken en onzekerheden.
Het kan simpelweg niet omdat het marketing technisch een ramp zou zijn om te verkopen.

Nogmaals.. ik twijfel niet aan je kennis en know how.

[Poleme]

Hoe bekend en gerespecteerd Poleme ook is, laten we niet doen alsof hij een rol als rekenkamer kan spelen en ons zo kan vertellen wat waar en hoeveel kost. Ik geloof niet dat een boxer met lance wapensysteem 7,5 miljoen kost. Het wapensysteem zou zichzelf mrt een dergelijke kostprijs direct buitenspel zetten.

De cijfers kwamen van KMW en betreft niet alleen een toren met 35mm kanon.  Maar ook de bijbehorende sensoren, richt middelen, IED stoorzender, extra bepantsering en project overhead kosten.

[Elzenga]

Ook de extra aanschaf van 20 stuks Bushmasters lijkt me geen goede keuze. 

+1 nee...daar zie ik ook niks in. Veel te licht en kwetsbaar.

Maar goed..nog een lange weg te gaan vrees ik. Al is deze Boxer met kanon al een keer "opgedoken" op de Kromhoutkazerne in Utrecht..

[Harald]

Maar voor Nederland lijkt me de Boxer met kanon een prima (snelle!!) opvolger voor de nu licht bewapende Bushmasters. Krijg je zowel een brigade met CV90s als eentje met Boxer IGVs...lijkt me uitstekende mix om de veiligheidsrisico's die er zijn..in en buiten Europa..te counteren.

+1
Ook de extra aanschaf van 20 stuks Bushmasters lijkt me geen goede keuze. 

[Elzenga]

De Boxer schijnt relatief duur te zijn...de Patria AMV krijgt vaker de voorkeur. Maar voor Nederland lijkt me de Boxer met kanon een prima (snelle!!) opvolger voor de nu licht bewapende Bushmasters. Krijg je zowel een brigade met CV90s als eentje met Boxer IGVs...lijkt me uitstekende mix om de veiligheidsrisico's die er zijn..in en buiten Europa..te counteren.

[Huzaar1]

Poleme heeft al voorgerekend dat een boxer met toren op pakweg 7.5 miljoen euro per stuk komt...dit is veel en veel te duur.

voor 7.5 miljoen koop ik liever een tank en de CV90'S waren zelfs nog goedkoper dan 4.5 miljoen per stuk.

als we boxers van turrets gaan voorzien is defensie echt de weg kwijt.

Een 3 of 4 wiel pantervoertuig mag niet meer kosten dan 2 miljoen euro per stuk het blijft een licht bepantserd battelfied achtige taxi..die je niet echt kan blootstellen aan vijandelijk vuur omdat de bepantsering slecht blijft.

ter vergelijking een BTR 80 kost volgens mij 1 miljoen euro

Hoe bekend en gerespecteerd Poleme ook is, laten we niet doen alsof hij een rol als rekenkamer kan spelen en ons zo kan vertellen wat waar en hoeveel kost. Ik geloof niet dat een boxer met lance wapensysteem 7,5 miljoen kost. Het wapensysteem zou zichzelf mrt een dergelijke kostprijs direct buitenspel zetten.

[Harald]

Poleme heeft al voorgerekend dat een boxer met toren op pakweg 7.5 miljoen euro per stuk komt...dit is veel en veel te duur.

voor 7.5 miljoen koop ik liever een tank en de CV90'S waren zelfs nog goedkoper dan 4.5 miljoen per stuk.

als we boxers van turrets gaan voorzien is defensie echt de weg kwijt.

Een 3 of 4 wiel pantervoertuig mag niet meer kosten dan 2 miljoen euro per stuk het blijft een licht bepantserd battelfied achtige taxi..die je niet echt kan blootstellen aan vijandelijk vuur omdat de bepantsering slecht blijft.

ter vergelijking een BTR 80 kost volgens mij 1 miljoen euro

Dan hadden in de basis lang lang geleden nooit moeten kiezen voor de Boxer, maar ..... we hebben nu eenmaal dit type voertuig.

Of je verkoopt alle Boxers aan Letland, die hebben vast wel interesse in nieuwe voertuigen voor een zacht tweede hands prijsje. ...  en dan ?