C-17 voor India

Gestart door andré herc, 14/06/2009 | 17:14 uur

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A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

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Final C-17 Heavy Jet Joins Indian Air Force In Q3 2019 (India betaalt 262 miljoen USD voor deze allerlaatste)

https://www.livefistdefence.com/2018/12/final-c-17-heavy-jet-joins-indian-air-force-in-q3-2019.html
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Sparkplug

A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

dudge

In ieder geval laat dit maar zien dat de stond gewoon achter de feiten aanloopt.

andré herc

Citaat van: johandeleeuw2002 op 17/08/2015 | 20:46 uur
Je moet er minimaal 2-3 hebben om er operationeel wat mee te kunnen doen
En voor zover ik weet hebben de amerikanen er (nog) geen in de etalage  hebben staan anders had india die wel genomen
Dus dat zie ik afgezien nog van de kosten niet gebeuren
Maar de hercs moeten zo langzamerhand ook vervangen worden
Dus lijkt het mij handig om van de duitsers voor een appel en een ei 4-6 A400M's over te nemen dat zou al een flinke duw in de rug geven en als ik het goed heb gaan er in de politiek stemmen op voor uitbreiding van luchttransport dus het moet haalbaar zijn
WE GAAN OFF TOPIC ;)
Den Haag stop met afbreken van NL Defensie, en investeer in een eigen C-17.

JdL

Citaat van: andré herc op 17/08/2015 | 18:31 uur
Ik hoop nog dat Nederland de laatste koopt met een ex USAF erbij het is een grote wens van het 336 sq want elke jaar die 500 uur of iets meer schiet je ook niet erg op vooral al je een echt snel inzetbaar Krijgsmacht wil maar ja nu ga ik off topic
Je moet er minimaal 2-3 hebben om er operationeel wat mee te kunnen doen
En voor zover ik weet hebben de amerikanen er (nog) geen in de etalage  hebben staan anders had india die wel genomen
Dus dat zie ik afgezien nog van de kosten niet gebeuren
Maar de hercs moeten zo langzamerhand ook vervangen worden
Dus lijkt het mij handig om van de duitsers voor een appel en een ei 4-6 A400M's over te nemen dat zou al een flinke duw in de rug geven en als ik het goed heb gaan er in de politiek stemmen op voor uitbreiding van luchttransport dus het moet haalbaar zijn
'The goal is world peace, and to do so you must have strength' Ronald Reagan

andré herc

Citaat van: johandeleeuw2002 op 17/08/2015 | 14:46 uur
Van mij mag die navo pool die laatste erbij nemen
Jammer voor india maarja
Ik hoop nog dat Nederland de laatste koopt met een ex USAF erbij het is een grote wens van het 336 sq want elke jaar die 500 uur of iets meer schiet je ook niet erg op vooral al je een echt snel inzetbaar Krijgsmacht wil maar ja nu ga ik off topic
Den Haag stop met afbreken van NL Defensie, en investeer in een eigen C-17.

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Citaat van: Harald op 17/08/2015 | 15:14 uur
Gezien er steeds meer belangstelling blijkt te komen voor de C-17 capaciteit, zou Boeing zijn productie-lijn weer nieuw leven inblazen om tegemoet te komen aan deze belangstelling ?
Dat zou natuurlijk de nodige investeringskosten opleveren, welke wel doorgerekend worden aan nieuwe klanten. En tevens bij welke productie hoeveelheid zou dit weer interessant zijn?   

Ik denk dat een nieuwe startup van de productie wel uitgesloten kan worden....
Wat dit betreft zijn ze in de VS erg resoluut in hun beslissingen. Als een productielijn eenmaal wordt gesloten, dan blijft deze gesloten.

Long Beach wordt gesloten. Zou Boeing wel plaats hebben om ergens anders een nieuwe productielijn op te starten?
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-boeing-plant-20150613-story.html

Maar eens zien wie de laatste C-17 koopt.
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Harald

Gezien er steeds meer belangstelling blijkt te komen voor de C-17 capaciteit, zou Boeing zijn productie-lijn weer nieuw leven inblazen om tegemoet te komen aan deze belangstelling ?
Dat zou natuurlijk de nodige investeringskosten opleveren, welke wel doorgerekend worden aan nieuwe klanten. En tevens bij welke productie hoeveelheid zou dit weer interessant zijn?   

Ik denk dat een nieuwe startup van de productie wel uitgesloten kan worden....

JdL

Van mij mag die navo pool die laatste erbij nemen
Jammer voor india maarja
'The goal is world peace, and to do so you must have strength' Ronald Reagan

Sparkplug

Ja, te laat  ;) ;D Ze kunnen nog altijd de overgebleven C-17 kopen.
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Harald

IAF clears proposal to buy three C 17; Boeing says only one plane left to sell

NEW DELHI: The Indian Air Force appears to have taken too long to push through a Rs 8,100 crore proposal to buy three new Boeing C-17 transport aircraft. The American manufacturer simply does not have that many aircraft to sell anymore, having pledged four of the last five C-17s in its production line to Qatar.

After months of efforts, the air force, at a Services Capital Acquisition Plan meeting on July 31, managed to push through the proposal to add three aircraft to its existing fleet of 10 Boeing C-17s that were ordered in 2011. Officials said the proposal is likely to be taken up by the high powered Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) shortly.

However, Boeing officials have gone on record to say that after signing the contract with Qatar the company is left with just one C-17 for sale. With its production facility for the aircraft at Long Beach in shut-down mode, the company has already halted the production line.

Boeing had five C-17 aircraft to sell when the air force first moved the proposal in April, as ET had first reported.

Officials said the air force could get committed aircraft from US inventory or retracted orders of a third country, but the chances of this happening are slim. A solution cannot be ruled out, they said, given that the deal is being processed under the Foreign Military Sales pact.

In April, the air force had impressed upon the government the need to induct three more of the very heavy transport aircraft because the planes have been involved in several rescue operations, including aid to earthquake hit Nepal, since their induction in 2013.

As per the 2011 contract, which was worth $4.7 billion, India had an option clause to purchase six additional C-17s over its order of ten. However, a paucity of funds never saw the follow-on order being processed.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/iaf-clears-proposal-to-buy-three-c-17-boeing-says-only-one-plane-left-to-sell/articleshow/48506624.cms

andré herc

Eerste test vlucht  C-17 India
Den Haag stop met afbreken van NL Defensie, en investeer in een eigen C-17.

andré herc

The first Indian Air Force C-17A (F-253/IAF-1) CB-8001 is bathed in the bright white light of the flight ramp flood lites on December 7, 2012 just hours after emerging from the production hanger at Long Beach Airport (LGB/KLGB).

(Photo by Michael Carter)

http://aeropacific.blogspot.nl/2012/12/first-indian-air-force-c-17a.html
Den Haag stop met afbreken van NL Defensie, en investeer in een eigen C-17.

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

Boeing confirms Indian order for 10 C-17s as Indian defence market grows

Boeing has finalised a contract to supply ten of its C-17 Globemaster III airlifters to the Indian Air Force, which will replace its Il-76 transports.

Boeing was awarded a US$1 781 413 Foreign Military Sales contract on February 2, concluding a three year negotiation process. However, the contract's value represents only a fraction of the amount that India is expected to pay for its ten C-17s. In April 2010 the US Defence Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of the possible sale to India, and quoted the value of potential sale as amounting to US$5.8 billion. In June 2011 India's Cabinet approved the sale of the aircraft, amounting to US$4.8 billion.

Delivery of the aircraft is to begin in 2013 and end in 2014. In June 2011, it was reported that the Indian Air Force could buy more C-17s later. The Indian Air Force plans to base its C-17s at Hindon Air Force Station, where its recently acquired C-130Js are based.

The C-17s will replace the Indian Air Force's 17 Il-76 transports, which are only able carry around 50 000 kg, compared to the C-17's maximum of 74 000 kg. Both aircraft have a similar range, but the C-17 overall has better performance. However, at more than US$250 million per aircraft, it is far more expensive than the Il-76.

The C-17 contract comes months after New Delhi rejected bids from Lockheed Martin (for its F-16) and Boeing (for its F/A-18) for its MMRCA fighter competition. The US saw the rejection as a huge setback, especially after lobbying by Barack Obama and American efforts to improve ties with India. However, the rejection of American fighters in favour of Dassault's Rafale has been sweetened by the C-17 deal, and many others with the United States.

The Indian Air Force is upgrading its transport fleet, and recently took delivery of six Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules, to be used for special operations. It is also developing a medium transport with Russia and seeking new tanker aircraft.

India is the world's largest arms importer and plans to spend around US$100 billion over the next decade to upgrade its largely Soviet-era military equipment. In what has been described as one of the world's most dangerous regions, with three nuclear-armed countries bordering each other, India's fears of the rising might of China and threats from Pakistan - along with a underdeveloped aerospace industry - have made it the world's leading weapons importer.

One of India's most ambitious projects is its joint development of a stealth fighter with Russia, based on the Sukhoi T-50. India will start taking delivery of 250 aircraft by 2015.

In addition, state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd is developing its own stealth aircraft, called the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft, planned to be in service by 2025. Meanwhile, its Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) is undergoing final testing and is expected to be introduced into the Air Force soon.

With regard to helicopters, bids are out for 22 combat helicopters and 15 heavy lift helicopters. It was reported in Indian media late last year that Boeing's AH-64 Apache was the front runner to win the US$1.4 billion deal for combat helicopters, having beaten the Mil Mi-28N. In addition, the country also ordered 12 AW101 helicopters, made by a unit of Finmeccanica, to be used for VIP transportation, and is building the locally developed Dhruv utility helicopter and Dhruv-derived Light Combat Helicopter. The army plans to obtain 114 Dhruvs and has a joint requirement for about 400 light helicopters along with the air force.

The Indian navy is undergoing a 15-year modernisation plan. While the erstwhile Russian aircraft carrier, Gorshkov, is slated for introduction later this year, India is also building another aircraft carrier with completion due in 2013 and has plans to build another by 2017.

Up to 11 new destroyers, and 10 frigates are to be introduced, starting 2012, to replace its ageing fleet. It has also started construction on six Scorpene class diesel-electric submarines and plans to have six nuclear-powered submarines in service within the next few decades.

The navy plans to equip its carriers with about 40 Russian Mikoyan MiG-29 combat jets, and is also developing a naval version of the LCA. It also has 12 Boeing P-8 anti submarine and reconnaissance aircraft on order.

It also plans to introduce 60 anti submarine warfare and about 50 light helicopters, apart from 120 domestically-built light helicopters.

The army plans to introduce about 250 locally built main battle tanks and about 1 650 Russian T-90 tanks by 2020. It also plans to develop and introduce 155 mm artillery guns within the next three years.

A modernization program for its soldiers, dubbed "Future Infantry Soldier As a System" is supposed to be completed by 2020. The army is also expanding along India's eastern border with China, with plans to raise 15 000 additional troops and a new artillery division.

In addition, India is developing Agni V and VI intercontinental ballistic missiles, capable of carrying nuclear warheads for distances over 6 000 km (3 700 miles).

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=23282:boeing-confirms-indian-order-for-10-c-17s-as-indian-defence-market-grows&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107