Internationale ontwikkelingen maritiem

[Parera]

Natuurlijk wel.
Daarom zou het me ook niet verbazen als dat gebeurt. Schepen op de zwarte zee leggen is behoorlijk complex omdat je te maken hebt met een enorme luchtdreiging.

Dan moet je daar toch juist rekening mee houden bij de aankoop van schepen? Als je kijkt naar de vloot van de Roemeense marine dan zijn de twee Type 22's met 1987 - 1988 in dienst genomen de modernste schepen van de vloot.

Met haar (zeevloot) : 3 fregatten,7 korvetten, 3 FAC, 4 MCMV's & ergens wegrottend in een haven een kilo klasse onderzeeboot. Dit is voor de Zwarte Zee geen verkeerde vloot, maar deze moet gewoon gemoderniseerd worden en ja dan zal dit een kleinere vloot worden maar ik zou zeggen:

- 2 fregatten
- 3 korvetten
- 3 OPV's
- 4 MCMV's

Als ik dan even naar Damen kijk dan zou daar een mooie vloot uit kunnen ontstaan van SIGMA 2 11515's,  3 SIGMA 9813/10514's, 3 SIGMA 9113 OPV's. Ongetwijfeld kan men ook een serie van MCVM's ontwerpen naar de wens van Roemenie.

[Lex]

Hoort dit wel in dit topic thuis?

[Parera]

Niet zo gek als je ziet wat ze aan o.a. F35 en Patriot hebben uitgegeven.

Als je het op die manier bekijkt is het logisch, maar het kan toch niet zo zijn dat ze haar marine gaat verwaarlozen in ruil voor betere land/lucht eenheden.
Men wil 32 F-35A's aanschaffen in Roemenië voor een bedrag van 6,5 miljard dollar, waarbij de eerste toestellen in 2032 beschikbaar moet zijn.

46 F-16's  + 32 F-35's dat is geen kleine luchtmacht voor een land zoals Roemenië.

[Parera]

Laten we ze een LCF aanbieden om de deal te sweeten. Maargoed, met Galati maakt Damen een goede kans, maar het geld is ook daar gewoon op. Denk grootste kans voor een occasion, en zo niet zouden de Turken ook nog wel goede zaken kunnen doen.

Ik vind het ook heel vreemd dat er nu geen geld meer blijkt te zijn voor dit project, ik ga me dan toch afvragen of het probleem wel bij Naval Group lag of dat het een fout geweest is vanuit Roemenië zelf. Misschien was dit project toch iets te hoog gegrepen, het waren 4 nieuwe korvetten + de modernisering van de 2 Type 22 fregatten die men al heeft.

Mogelijk dat Damen daar nog wel werk uit weet te slepen en dat lokaal kan uitvoeren.

[Parera]

ROMANIA CANCELED THE CORVETTE CONTRACT. End of the road in the "Multipurpose Corvette" epic

https://www.defenseromania.ro/romania-a-anulat-contractul-corvetelor-sfarsit-de-drum-in-epopeea-corveta-multifunctionala_623976.html


Dit zou betekenen dat het contract nu naar de nummer 2 bieder zou gaan en dat was Damen Naval met de Sigma 10514. Maar Roemenië heeft besloten het project te schrappen, vervolg plannen zijn nog niet bekend.

[Parera]

Navantia cuts steel for Moroccan OPV

Spanish state-owned shipbuilder Navantia has started manufacturing activities for a new offshore patrol vessel (OPV) on order for the Royal Moroccan Navy.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/naval-weapons/latest/navantia-cuts-steel-for-moroccan-opv

[Parera]

Lockheed Martin Takes Next Step Toward PAC-3 MSE Integration With Aegis
For the first time, Lockheed Martin's Patriot Advanced Capability – 3 (PAC-3) Missile Segment Enhancement (MSE) interceptor successfully communicated with the AN/SPY-1 Radar, a key component in the Aegis Weapon System.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/07/lockheed-martin-takes-next-step-toward-pac-3-mse-integration-with-aegis/

[Parera]

NVL Group To Build 3 New SIGINT Ships For German Navy



German shipbuilder NVL Group (Naval Vessels Lürssen) today signed a contract with the Federal Office of Bundeswehr Equipment, Information Technology and In-Service Support (BAAINBw) for the construction of three new SIGINT (signals intelligence) and reconnaissance ships for the German Navy. Officially designated as "fleet service ship", they will replace the three in-service Oste-class / Type 423 vessels.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/07/nvl-group-to-build-3-new-sigint-ships-for-german-navy/

[silvester herc]

[Ace1]

Adaptable Deck Launcher (ADL) concept

https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/adaptable-deck-launcher#:~:text=Capable%20of%20launching%20multiple%20missile,platforms%20for%20multiple%20mission%20scenarios.&text=The%20Adaptable%20Deck%20Launcher%2C%20or,U.S.%20Navy%20and%20allied%20ships.

This Bolt-On Launcher Can Give Nearly Any Ship The Same Weaponry As A U.S. Navy Destroyer

The launcher could allow everything from amphibious assault ships to logistics ships to carry the Navy's most potent surface-launched missiles.

The folks over at BAE Systems have come up with a fairly novel way to give any ship with some deck space Mark 41 vertical launch system (VLS)-like capability without having to make huge alterations to the guts of the ship, which in many cases wouldn't even be possible. Dubbed aptly the Adaptive Deck Launcher (ADL), the system provides four cells positioned at an angle that can accommodate the same all-up missile canisters used by standard Mark 41 vertical launch systems like those found on the U.S. Navy's cruisers and destroyers, as well as many allied surface combatants.

The system comes in tactical length, used for quad-packed RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles, anti-submarine rockets, and shorter-ranged anti-ship and land-attack missiles, as well as strike-length that can accommodate anything a full-spec Mark 41 VLS can, including Tomahawk cruise missiles and the latest SM-2, SM-3, and SM-6 surface-to-air and ballistic missile defense missiles.

Clearly, there are tradeoffs with a launch system like this. First off, it takes up substantial deck space for just four cells (each one can hold four ESSMs). They are also angled, and if fixed in place, the missile may have to burn some of its fuel and energy to get pointed in the right direction after launch. But even with these limitations, the ADL offers a tremendous amount of flexibility and potential to whatever surface platform it is bolted on to.

For instance, this system could be added to 'Gator Navy' amphibious transport docks and dock landing ships, as well as the Navy's new Expeditionary Mobile Bases, and even some of our allies' most prominent vessels, giving them the ability to carry various missiles of their own, including standoff land-attack and anti-ship missiles and ESSMs for organic self-protection. This would allow them to conduct more independent operations and field small amounts of advanced weapons that are tailored to the mission at hand.

.../...

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29335/this-bolt-on-launcher-can-give-nearly-any-ship-the-same-weaponry-as-u-s-navy-destroyer

Dat is al in 2018 hier geplaatst, waarom dan nog een keer herhalen?

[Harald]

Adaptable Deck Launcher (ADL) concept

https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/adaptable-deck-launcher#:~:text=Capable%20of%20launching%20multiple%20missile,platforms%20for%20multiple%20mission%20scenarios.&text=The%20Adaptable%20Deck%20Launcher%2C%20or,U.S.%20Navy%20and%20allied%20ships.

This Bolt-On Launcher Can Give Nearly Any Ship The Same Weaponry As A U.S. Navy Destroyer

The launcher could allow everything from amphibious assault ships to logistics ships to carry the Navy's most potent surface-launched missiles.

The folks over at BAE Systems have come up with a fairly novel way to give any ship with some deck space Mark 41 vertical launch system (VLS)-like capability without having to make huge alterations to the guts of the ship, which in many cases wouldn't even be possible. Dubbed aptly the Adaptive Deck Launcher (ADL), the system provides four cells positioned at an angle that can accommodate the same all-up missile canisters used by standard Mark 41 vertical launch systems like those found on the U.S. Navy's cruisers and destroyers, as well as many allied surface combatants.

The system comes in tactical length, used for quad-packed RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles, anti-submarine rockets, and shorter-ranged anti-ship and land-attack missiles, as well as strike-length that can accommodate anything a full-spec Mark 41 VLS can, including Tomahawk cruise missiles and the latest SM-2, SM-3, and SM-6 surface-to-air and ballistic missile defense missiles.

Clearly, there are tradeoffs with a launch system like this. First off, it takes up substantial deck space for just four cells (each one can hold four ESSMs). They are also angled, and if fixed in place, the missile may have to burn some of its fuel and energy to get pointed in the right direction after launch. But even with these limitations, the ADL offers a tremendous amount of flexibility and potential to whatever surface platform it is bolted on to.

For instance, this system could be added to 'Gator Navy' amphibious transport docks and dock landing ships, as well as the Navy's new Expeditionary Mobile Bases, and even some of our allies' most prominent vessels, giving them the ability to carry various missiles of their own, including standoff land-attack and anti-ship missiles and ESSMs for organic self-protection. This would allow them to conduct more independent operations and field small amounts of advanced weapons that are tailored to the mission at hand.

.../...

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29335/this-bolt-on-launcher-can-give-nearly-any-ship-the-same-weaponry-as-u-s-navy-destroyer

[Harald]

BAE Systems Awarded Next Generation Launcher Design Contract

BAE Systems was awarded a $37 million U.S. Department of Defense Ordnance Technology Consortium (DOTC) contract to design the Next Generation Evolved SeaSparrow Missile Launch System (NGELS).

BAE Systems press release

The company will support the NATO SeaSparrow Program Office (NSPO) to design and deliver prototype deck launching systems to support the U.S. Navy and allied countries with the Evolved SeaSparrow Missile (ESSM) ship self-defense system.

NGELS is a deck-mounted, fixed-angle launcher that leverages BAE Systems' Adaptable Deck Launcher (ADL) concept to store and launch ESSMs from Mk 25 missile canisters, which are also produced by BAE Systems. Easily integrated into large deck platforms, NGELS will support the fielding of the latest and most highly-capable ESSM missile, the Block 2 variant, a multi-role surface-to-air and surface-to-surface missile capable of protecting aircraft carriers and other flat-decked ships against advanced air and surface threats. NGELS will use proven Mk 41 Vertical Launching System subsystems to deliver surface-to-air and surface-to-surface defense capabilities to aircraft carriers and amphibious ships in order to defeat missile threats.

"We have a long history of providing missile integration, launching systems, and canister design to the U.S. Navy," said Brent Butcher, vice president of the weapon systems product line at BAE Systems. "NGELS leverages the expertise of our workforce to provide a ready-to-deploy system that enhances mission effectiveness and enables reliable ship defense for the U.S. Navy. We look forward to working with our customers to bring this enhanced capability to the fleet and introducing it to international users."

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/07/bae-systems-awarded-next-generation-launcher-design-contract/


NGELS is a deck-mounted, fixed-angle launcher that leverages BAE Systems' Adaptable Deck Launcher (ADL) concept

[Benji87]

Hoe gaan de Grieken om met hun steeds verder ouder wordende vloot van S-fregatten ?  De oudste schepen zijn 48 jaar oud en moeten nog doorvaren, maar hoelang ?

Misschien liggen hier voor NL nog kansen? of uitbreiding van de order voor het Franse NG ? of gaan de Grieken gebruikmaken van PECSO EPC korvetten ? of gaan de Grieken opnieuw voor 2de hands schepen ?

Hieronder een opsomming van de S-fregatten in dienst bij de Grieken ;
https://navaldefence.gr/hellenic-navy-radical-choices-or-sixty-years-old-ships/

Schitterende boten waren dat

[Harald]

Politiek moet daarbij helpen. Damen alleen is niet opgewassen tegen de vuilakkerij van de Fransen.

Ik zie ook in de 2de hands voor NL wel mogelijkheden en dan misschien nog een combinatie met nieuwe ASWF fregatten. Ja idd, dat moet dan ook vanuit de Politiek geregisseerd worden in combinatie met Damen
En 2de hands kan zijn eind 20-iger, begin 30-iger jaren : de M fregatten, zowel NL als BE
of onze LCF fregatten, planning is nu 2032 de eerste uit de vaart en de laatste in 2035.

Maar dan zouden de S fregatten nog 10 jaar door moeten varen !! 50+ jaar oud

[Huzaar1]

Politiek moet daarbij helpen. Damen alleen is niet opgewassen tegen de vuilakkerij van de Fransen.