Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen

Gestart door Lex, 19/12/2015 | 16:32 uur

Harald

Colombia Selects Rafale, May Sign Contract This Week  ( :omg:  :confused:  :hrmph: , zeker een Franse deal  ;)  )

The Rafale has been selected by Colombia as its next superiority fighter, having beaten the F-16V, Eurofighter and Gripen in a protracted competition. Rafale was selected because it "is the best option for the country in terms of price, efficiency and operability," according to the Colombian President.

Having announced on Dec. 22 that it had selected the Dassault Rafale combat aircraft to replace its elderly Kfirs, Colombia may this week sign an initial contract worth about $680 million covering the first three or four aircraft, according to South American media reports.

Colombia plans to order a total of 16 aircraft: 12 single-seaters and four two-seaters, at a cost of $3.2 billion, for which the French will extend a 20-year loan with a grace period of five years, several media reported. Initial deliveries are planned for 2025, which implies that at least part of the order will consist of second-hand aircraft taken from the French Air and Space Force.

In a post on his Twitter account, the Colombian President's Office said that "the Rafale aircraft proposal is the best option for the country in terms of price, efficiency and operability," adding that "One flight hour of a Rafale plane is approx. 30% cheaper than that of a Kfir (estimated at 89 million pesos)," or approximately $16,900.

Various South American media report that this initial contract will also cover the integration of Colombia's systems and weapons, simulators for crew training, training of technical personnel and assistance from the French Air Force and Space. It will be signed by Colombian President Gustavo Petro and a senior executive from the French company, accompanied by diplomatic personnel from the French embassy. Petro, in a series of tweets posted Dec. 22, cautioned that "There are no signed contracts, it is a pre-negotiation! The offer that the Government will study has an estimated cost of up to $15 billion pesos (approx $3.15 billion) and not $26 billion, as has been said erroneously."

Colombia has been mulling the replacement of its Kfirs for several years, and had earlier this year short-listed three aircraft in addition to the Rafale: the Lockheed Martin F-16V Block 70 Viper, which was initially favored by the Colombian Air Force, the Saab Gripen, and second-hand Eurofighter Tranche 1.

F-16V offer too inflexible

While the F-16V initially led the field, it was eliminated during the selection process because the Colombian Air Force concluded that its electronic warfare system is inferior to that of the Israeli-made Kfirs now in service, and Lockheed was not willing to change it. Colombia also considers that its Python 5 air-to-air missiles are better than the versions of Sidewinder offered with the F-16V, but Lockheed refused to integrate the Python and Derby missiles and the Spice laser-guided bombs that the FAC now operates. The US government offered the F-16V with only Sidewinder and AMRAAM air-to-air missiles.

Gripen "second-best at everything"

The FAC also considered that the Gripen did not lead in any capability area, but "came second in everything," according to a Colombian official quoted by the Argentinian website Pucara. Gripen "is having major integration problems in Brazil with its air-to-air and air-to-surface systems, which are not fully operational, they are in a kind of Beta version," the official said. Furthermore, because production for Brazil and Sweden has priority, delivery times are very long.

Eurofighter most expensive, complex maintenance

Colombia's selection board found that the Eurofighter is a very capable aircraft, better than Rafale in some respects, but is very expensive and complex to maintain. The Colombian Air Force wanted to buy Tranche 3 aircraft, but it was offered only Tranche 1 and 2 for immediate delivery. Tranche 3 aircraft had very long delivery times, and financing costs were also higher than for the other competitors.

Rafale unrestricted, shortest delivery times

While Colombia was faced with an American refusal to adapt the F-16V, the high costs of the Eurofighter and the limitations of Gripen, the French marketing team in mid-2022 decided to improve its offer, Pucara reported, and removed end-user restrictions, which also existed on the Gripen and the Eurofighter. In addition, France agreed not only to provide Meteor air-to-air missiles, but also to integrate the Israeli-made Derby and Python 5 missiles and Spice bombs, "making it the most capable of all" the competitors, according to the Infodefensa website.

France also promised it could deliver the first aircraft one year after contract signature -- the shortest delivery time of all the competitors. This is essential because Kfir will be retired at the end of 2023, when they wll be 42 years old and will have served for 30 years in the Colombian Air Force. Their replacement is mandatory as the manufacturer no longer provides support, and spare parts are difficult to obtain.

In fact, the improved Rafale offer solved several of Colombia's problems. Its electronic warfare capability is customizable, and France will give Colombia access to the software source codes needed to modify it on its own. Rafale will also integrate Colombia's stock of Israeli-supplied weapons, reducing the need to replace them. Another advantage is that, since it was designed to operate from aircraft carriers, it can operate from short runways, a capability that the Typhoon and the F-16 cannot match. This allows them to operate in places like Tres Esquinas, Grupo Aéreo del Oriente and San Andrés airfields.

Rafale also requires less logistical support and is more versatile to operate. It is also more maneuverable, with a better thrust-to-weight ratio, and in addition has an AESA radar with better coverage than its competitors, according to local media reports.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/colombia-selects-rafale-may-sign-contract-this-week/

Benji87

Citaat van: Sparkplug op 09/11/2023 | 09:13 uurDit is voor de Swedish Space Force  ;)  ;D

Zie ook dat je het zelf in mekaar moet zetten. Dus kan je nu al op papier meegeven dat die planning nooit gehaald gaat worden  ;D

Sparkplug

Citaat van: Harald op 09/11/2023 | 08:35 uur

https://twitter.com/GarethJennings3/status/1721920139761754363/photo/1

De eerste beelden van de Next Generation Fighter voor Zweden !  :P  ;D
Er wordt gezien de afbeeldingen samenwerking gezocht o.a. met Denemarken, Lego Group Billund en ook de Interstellair Sienar Fleet Group (Dark Site)

Dit is voor de Swedish Space Force  ;)  ;D
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Harald



https://twitter.com/GarethJennings3/status/1721920139761754363/photo/1

De eerste beelden van de Next Generation Fighter voor Zweden !  :P  ;D
Er wordt gezien de afbeeldingen samenwerking gezocht o.a. met Denemarken, Lego Group Billund en ook de Interstellair Sienar Fleet Group (Dark Site)

Benji87

Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/11/2023 | 12:49 uurAls het MUM-T concept met een type met de grootte van een F-35 kan, dan zou Saab ook in staat moeten zijn om zoiets te ontwikkelen. Het is de vraag hoeveel de Zweedse overheid hierin wil investeren.

Ik vind het daar nog wat te vroeg voor om te zeggen. Bij de F35 zit het ook allemaal nog maar in de concept fase en is de rol van de loyal wingman nog vrij beperkt. De concepten voor de huidige 6th gen fighters gaan veel verder dan dat. Daar willen ze de loyal wingman echt voorzien van air to ground en air to air capaciteit. Dat vereist grotere drones en zeer waarschijnlijk ook een groter toestel die ze kan lanceren en besturen. Maar tijd zal dat uit moeten wijzen.

Harald

Sweden commits to future fighter procurement decision in 2031: Official

A decision has not been made so far on an Initial Operating Capability (IOC) date for a future fighter, but a wide range of planning activities will inform the 2031 procurement decision, an official said.

After joining and then leaving the UK-led Future Combat Air System (FCAS), the Swedish military is now holding off on deciding its path to a next-generation fighter jet until 2031, after it can assess the "risks and possibilities" with different approaches, an official said today.

Three options are on the table for Stockholm: Either "build a system, develop a system with someone, or... acquire a system," said the official, speaking under Chatham House Rules at the International Fighter Conference here in Madrid. "It's an open question."

"We did have both bilateral and trilateral cooperation with Britain and also with Italy on the FCAS program," said the official. "We walked away from that about a year ago and started some national studies... connecting to what capabilities are needed for the future." The official declined to comment on the reason behind Sweden ending collaboration with the UK and Italy.

A decision has not been made by authorities so far on an Initial Operating Capability (IOC) date for whatever it chooses for a next-gen fighter, but a wide range of planning activities will inform the 2031 procurement decision.

Indicating some desired level of control by Sweden over a next-gen timeline, the official said Phase 1 will cover concept exploration between 2023 to 2025 with Phase 2 to address concept and technology development from 2026 to 2030. Operational analysis, system concepts and aircraft demonstrators are among the main lines of effort that are included across the two phases. Technology development activities will span from 2023 beyond 2030, while demonstrator planning will commence in 2026.

Disclosure of the long-term program planning comes after Sweden's defense material agency (FMV) confirmed in September that it was prioritizing future fighter studies and "fact finding," while Saab has also said it wants to be a "player" in the program, which would ideally include a role as a "systems of systems" integrator.

The French, German and Spanish Future Combat Air System (FCAS) program also known as SCAF and the Italian, Japanese and UK-led Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP), previously known as FCAS also, have both committed to a system-of-systems approach, where development of a next-generation fighter will allow them to control adjunct aircraft, effectors and sensors in ways previous combat jets have not been capable.

GCAP is expected to be in service from 2035, with FCAS five years later.

"One thing that has not been decided in Sweden is IOC for the next generation fighter, so therefore that is quite a challenge because we need to be agnostic. ... We can't just look into one technology level and align that [development] to an IOC time," said the official. He added that "risks" and "possibilities" must be weighed so a procurement decision can be reached, including what role Swedish government and industry would play in development.

"What has happened is that we have had a decision to go fully into a concept phase for the next-generation system, that [approval] happened the week after midsummer this year," explained the official. "So what we will do is, we will need to deliver concepts, both on the system [a new fighter] and also on a system-of-system level. We need to do technology development and integration activities. We need to build up the national competence both on the government side, but also on the industry side."

Sweden has time on its side to deliberate about which path to take for a future fighter procurement as Saab's Gripen E, the backbone of the Swedish Air Force, is meant to be operated until 2060. Older Gripen C/D aircraft are expected to be retired between 2035 and 2040, or beyond, because of the war in Ukraine, according to the official.

But holding off until the end of the decade to make a firm future fighter procurement commitment risks losing industrial influence over design requirements on GCAP or FCAS, if Stockholm so decides to join one or the other, though officials from each program have often stressed they continue to be open to new partners.

On that front, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia continues to express interest in joining GCAP, though the UK has said there is "no definitive timeline" associated with making a decision on Riyadh's potential involvement. Elsewhere, French President Emmanuel Macron announced in June that Belgium would join FCAS.

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/11/sweden-commits-to-future-fighter-procurement-decision-in-2031/

Harald

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 08/11/2023 | 12:56 uurSaab wilde de FS2020, de Zweedse overheid zag dit om budgettaire reden niet zitten, het alternatief kennen we in de vorm van de Gripen E/F, waarbij ik vermoed dat dit het laatste 'autonome' gevechtsvliegtuig uit Zweden zal zijn. (al laat ik me graag verrassen).
Mijn gevoel zegt dat we misschien wel verbaasd zullen worden door de Zweden.
Misschien dat de samenwerking met Boeing ook wel een optie zal zijn, zie ook de ontwikkeling van de T-7A Red Hawk trainer 

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/11/2023 | 12:49 uurHet is de vraag hoeveel de Zweedse overheid hierin wil investeren.

Saab wilde de FS2020, de Zweedse overheid zag dit om budgettaire reden niet zitten, het alternatief kennen we in de vorm van de Gripen E/F, waarbij ik vermoed dat dit het laatste 'autonome' gevechtsvliegtuig uit Zweden zal zijn. (al laat ik me graag verrassen).

Sparkplug

Citaat van: Benji87 op 08/11/2023 | 11:26 uurNee dat klopt en daarom is het ook wel interessant om te zien naar hoe de Zweden hier over denken. De partijen die nu een 6e generatie fighter ontwikkelen gaan nu namelijk allemaal voor een stealth vliegtuig wat als moeder schip moet gaan functioneren voor drones. En dat zal dus sowieso uitlopen op een toestel van behoorlijke proporties. Dus hoe ziet Zweden dat voor zich? Kunnen zij ook zo'n concept ontwikkelen met een eenmotorig toestel of gaat Zweden voor 5th gen + ontwikkeling?

Als het MUM-T concept met een type met de grootte van een F-35 kan, dan zou Saab ook in staat moeten zijn om zoiets te ontwikkelen. Het is de vraag hoeveel de Zweedse overheid hierin wil investeren.
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

Citaat van: pz op 08/11/2023 | 11:42 uurIk denk dat Zweden verder gaat met het door ontwikkelen van een eenmotorig toestel. Ze waren daar al mee bezig het concept Flugsystem 2020 (FS2020).



Dat lijkt een gepasseerd station, maat niet onmogelijk, er is markt voor een kleine zesde generatie kist.

Ik wacht geen nieuw eigen model meer van Saab, ik verwacht dat zij zich zullen aansluiten bij GCAP (Tempest). Een Saab Loyal Wingman type zie ik dan wel weer al een goede mogelijkheid voor de Zweden.

Het huidige partnerschap met Boeing zou misschien ook aansluiting kunnen bieden als Boeing de USN F/A-XX gegund krijgt.

pz

Citaat van: Benji87 op 08/11/2023 | 11:26 uurNee dat klopt en daarom is het ook wel interessant om te zien naar hoe de Zweden hier over denken. De partijen die nu een 6e generatie fighter ontwikkelen gaan nu namelijk allemaal voor een stealth vliegtuig wat als moeder schip moet gaan functioneren voor drones. En dat zal dus sowieso uitlopen op een toestel van behoorlijke proporties. Dus hoe ziet Zweden dat voor zich? Kunnen zij ook zo'n concept ontwikkelen met een eenmotorig toestel of gaat Zweden voor 5th gen + ontwikkeling?

Ik denk dat Zweden verder gaat met het door ontwikkelen van een eenmotorig toestel. Ze waren daar al mee bezig het concept Flugsystem 2020 (FS2020).


Benji87

Citaat van: Sparkplug op 08/11/2023 | 11:11 uurDat is afhankelijk van hoeveel types binnen dat tijdsbestek het levenslicht zullen zien. Niet elk land heeft behoefte aan een type met een omvang van een F-14 of F-15.

Nee dat klopt en daarom is het ook wel interessant om te zien naar hoe de Zweden hier over denken. De partijen die nu een 6e generatie fighter ontwikkelen gaan nu namelijk allemaal voor een stealth vliegtuig wat als moeder schip moet gaan functioneren voor drones. En dat zal dus sowieso uitlopen op een toestel van behoorlijke proporties. Dus hoe ziet Zweden dat voor zich? Kunnen zij ook zo'n concept ontwikkelen met een eenmotorig toestel of gaat Zweden voor 5th gen + ontwikkeling?

Sparkplug

Citaat van: Benji87 op 08/11/2023 | 10:45 uurPer definitie zullen toestellen van de 6e generatie zware 2 motor aangedreven toestellen worden.

Dat is afhankelijk van hoeveel types binnen dat tijdsbestek het levenslicht zullen zien. Niet elk land heeft behoefte aan een type met een omvang van een F-14 of F-15.
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Benji87

Ben dan wel benieuwd naar hoe de Zweden tegen het vernieuwde concept van lucht oorlogsvoering aan kijken dan. Per definitie zullen toestellen van de 6e generatie zware 2 motor aangedreven toestellen worden.

pz

Sweden Preparing For Future Combat Aircraft Studies

LE BOURGET—Sweden's defense materiel agency FMV is awaiting political approval to begin studies into a new-generation combat aircraft beyond the new Saab Gripen E.



The studies, to be carried out by the FMV, are due to get underway in the near future. They will primarily be a fact-finding effort and involve discussions with other air forces, an examination of other national programs and exploring the capabilities of national industry, Brigadier General Lars Helmrich, the director of the Air and Space Systems Division at Sweden's FMV, told journalists during the annual gathering of the Swedish Air Force Fan Club on the eve of the Paris Air Show.

"It's not about procurement of the sixth generation, it is about asking the question about how we procure it," Helmrich said.

Helmrich said it was too early to discuss any potential outcomes of the studies but noted that Sweden's combat aircraft requirements were "out of sync" with the efforts of Italy, Japan and the UK's Global Combat Air Program (GCAP) and those of France, Germany and Spain's Future Combat Air System (FCAS), because Sweden had already invested in the development and procurement of the Gripen E platform. Helmrich also noted that both crewed combat aircraft set to emerge from FCAS and GCAP are twin-engine and too large to fit around Sweden's doctrine of dispersed basing to improve survivability. Both the GCAP and FCAS manned fighters are expected to be at least a third larger and heavier than the aircraft they will go on to replace.

It is likely that any Swedish future combat aircraft would likely first replace the Gripen C/D models which the Swedish Air Force is extending the life of to give it more mass in the face of the regional security situation following Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

The upgraded Gripen C/Ds will be expected to operate well into the 2030s.

Alternatively, the FCAS studies could conclude that Sweden purchases more Gripen Es in the future, Helmrich suggested, which would help Sweden and Saab preserve its combat aircraft development capability.

The new studies come after Sweden elected not to pursue continued involvement in the UK's future fighter effort which evolved and expanded into GCAP, although Helmrich suggested there was still a "political arrangement" and "sharing of information" in place. This appears to confirm statements made by Saab's CEO, Micael Johansson who has previously described Sweden's relationship with the program as a "sort of hibernation," remaining part of the program, but not actively involved.

Helmrich, and air chief Maj. Gen. Jonas Wikman were reluctant to discuss details of the Gripen C/D upgrade program, for which Saab was awarded study contracts worth SEK3.5 billion ($340 million) in April. Helmrich did say that the program would remove obsolescence from the Gripen C/D's nervous system and upgrade the mechanically scanned radar, but not add an active electronically scanned array such as that developed by Saab for the platform. Wikman said the Swedish air force would be strengthened by the upgraded Gripen C/Ds which would act as a fourth-generation platform to the fifth-generation capabilities provided by the more advanced Gripen E.

"With two different versions, that gives us the possibility to combine fourth-generation capabilities and fifth-generation capabilities, enhancing our strength from different platforms," Wikman said.

https://aviationweek.com/shownews/paris-air-show/sweden-preparing-future-combat-aircraft-studies