United Kingdom could procure Japan's Kawasaki P-1 Maritime Patrol Aircraft

Gestart door jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter), 07/01/2015 | 19:15 uur

Harald

Niet de Britten, maar de Nieuw Zeelanders zijn in onderhandeling met Japan over de P-1 en C-2 !
Definitieve keuze ; midden 2017
Afwachten wat de keuze wordt, Japan, EU of US

New Zealand looks to buy Japanese P-1 maritime patrol plane and C-2 transport aircraft

Japan is in negotiations with New Zealand to export the Self-Defense Forces' patrol and transport aircraft, in hopes of beating out U.S. and European competition to score its first large-scale arms contract.

That was reported by Nikkei Asian Review.

The deal will also involve the maintenance of the planes, and is potentially worth billions of dollars. Tokyo in September provided unclassified information on the P-1 maritime patrol plane and C-2 transporter, both developed by Kawasaki Heavy Industries, in response to Wellington's requests.

Representatives from Japan's defense ministry and Kawasaki Heavy are in New Zealand for negotiations. Japan could come up with a proposal in the first half of 2017 concerning the price, production process and maintenance of the planes. It will also consider jointly producing certain parts with New Zealand.

New Zealand will choose the winning bid as early as this summer out of a pool including American and European proposals. The Japanese government will also negotiate a treaty with New Zealand to allow the transfer of defense equipment and technology, a prerequisite to the potential deal.

The P-1, deployed by the Maritime SDF, was designed as a successor to the mainstay P-3C patrol aircraft. It can pick up even faint submarine signals through underwater sensors, and is also known to be fuel efficient and extremely quiet.

The bidding "will be a one-on-one fight with Boeing's P-8 patrol plane," a Japanese official said.

The C-2, meanwhile, can carry heavy loads over long distances. It was first delivered to the Air SDF in June 2016, with plans for deployment this March. The aircraft shares the same parts in the wing and other areas with the P-1, which will allow New Zealand to save money if it adopts both models. Airbus and several other companies are considered Japan's main rivals for the transporters.

http://defence-blog.com/news/new-zealand-looks-to-buy-japanese-p-1-maritime-patrol-plane-and-c-2-transport-aircraft.html

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 12/07/2016 | 15:32 uur
Hhhmmm, voor de Britten is het echter zo dat hun MPAs de toegang tot de Irish Sea surveilleren en zo het pad van hun Boomers vrij moeten houden van nieuwsgierige subs die zich toevallig in de omgeving zouden ophouden.
Vind ik toch al pakken erger...

Over de gradatie van "ergheid" kan je van gedachten wisselen, wat mij betreft valt het NL handelen rondom de MPA's in dezelfde categorie als het dumpen van de MBT's.


ARM-WAP

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/07/2016 | 14:53 uur
Gelukkig, goed voorbeeld doet goed volgen immers de beschamende vertoning van ons eigen land was er niet minder om.
Hhhmmm, voor de Britten is het echter zo dat hun MPAs de toegang tot de Irish Sea surveilleren en zo het pad van hun Boomers vrij moeten houden van nieuwsgierige subs die zich toevallig in de omgeving zouden ophouden.
Vind ik toch al pakken erger...

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

Citaat van: Thomasen op 12/07/2016 | 14:50 uur
Het was een beschamende vertoning. Het blijft een Europees capability gap, maar in ieder geval is dat weer een klein beetje gedempt.

Gelukkig, goed voorbeeld doet goed volgen immers de beschamende vertoning van ons eigen land was er niet minder om.

dudge

Citaat van: ARM-WAP op 12/07/2016 | 14:32 uur
Een goede zaak.
Het afstoten van deze capaciteit was een beschamende keuze...
Moeten bedelen bij de Fransen om hun MPA-gap tijdelijk te vullen zal zeker niet in goede aarde gevallen zijn bij velen.
Bijkomend voordeel is dat ze nu van die Nimrods af zijn en een zekere standaard en commonality kunnen aanhouden.
Iets wat met MLUs zeker van pas zal komen...


Het was een beschamende vertoning. Het blijft een Europees capability gap, maar in ieder geval is dat weer een klein beetje gedempt.

ARM-WAP

Citaat van: Harald op 12/07/2016 | 10:17 uur
Farnborough 2016: UK orders P-8 Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft
Een goede zaak.
Het afstoten van deze capaciteit was een beschamende keuze...
Moeten bedelen bij de Fransen om hun MPA-gap tijdelijk te vullen zal zeker niet in goede aarde gevallen zijn bij velen.
Bijkomend voordeel is dat ze nu van die Nimrods af zijn en een zekere standaard en commonality kunnen aanhouden.
Iets wat met MLUs zeker van pas zal komen...

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)


dudge

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/07/2016 | 10:46 uur
Als ze slim zijn wel... en  ken nog een land welke gemaakte fouten uit het verleden zou moete herstellen en prima zou kunnen meeliften met 6-8 exemplaren bij de Engelsen en wellicht de Noren.

Maar.... dat land zal het vermoedelijk wel weer afschuiven op de Duitsers en de Portugezen.  :sick:

Sure, we hebben nog wel ergens 3 miljard liggen......

walter leever

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/07/2016 | 10:46 uur
Als ze slim zijn wel... en  ken nog een land welke gemaakte fouten uit het verleden zou moete herstellen en prima zou kunnen meeliften met 6-8 exemplaren bij de Engelsen en wellicht de Noren.

Maar.... dat land zal het vermoedelijk wel weer afschuiven op de Duitsers en de Portugezen.  :sick:

Idd Nederland moet er gewoon een stuk of 6 kopen,om dit weer te kunnen. ;)

Harald

Citaat van: jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter) op 12/07/2016 | 10:46 uur
Als ze slim zijn wel... en  ken nog een land welke gemaakte fouten uit het verleden zou moete herstellen en prima zou kunnen meeliften met 6-8 exemplaren bij de Engelsen en wellicht de Noren.

Maar.... dat land zal het vermoedelijk wel weer afschuiven op de Duitsers en de Portugezen.  :sick:

idd, Een opzet zoals de NATO AWACS organisatie zou eventueel ook kunnen ? ... AWACS boven land .. NATO MPA/ASW boven de zee/oceaan.

NAVO pool met P-8 toestellen welke bemand worden door een bemanning uit diverse NAVO landen, bijvoorbeeld Noorwegen, UK, Denemarken, Duitsland, Nederland, België, Portugal

Maar liever gewoon een MPA terug in Nederland

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

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Citaat van: Harald op 12/07/2016 | 10:17 uur
Farnborough 2016: UK orders P-8 Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft 
(De Britten hebben getekend ... en de Noren hebben ook interesse ... wordt de P-8 de nieuwe MPA standaard ?? )



Als ze slim zijn wel... en  ken nog een land welke gemaakte fouten uit het verleden zou moete herstellen en prima zou kunnen meeliften met 6-8 exemplaren bij de Engelsen en wellicht de Noren.

Maar.... dat land zal het vermoedelijk wel weer afschuiven op de Duitsers en de Portugezen.  :sick:

Harald

Farnborough 2016: UK orders P-8 Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft 
(De Britten hebben getekend ... en de Noren hebben ook interesse ... wordt de P-8 de nieuwe MPA standaard ?? )

The UK signed a contract for nine P-8 Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft on the opening day of the 2016 Farnborough Airshow. Source: US Navy

The United Kingdom has ordered nine Boeing P-8 Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft, Prime Minister David Cameron announced on 11 July at the Farnborough International Airshow 2016.

"We have today signed the contract for nine new P-8 maritime patrol aircraft for the Royal Air Force (RAF), underlining the UK's commitment to spending on vital defence", Cameron said.

According to the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) the cost of the P-8 will be GBP3 billion "over the next decade".

The P-8s are being purchased for the RAF to fill a UK capability gap created after the UK's Nimrod MRA4 project was cancelled in 2010. The first aircraft is expected to be delivered to the UK in 2019, UK defence minister Philip Dunne said at Farnborough, with all eight then delivered within the following 24 months.

The P-8 is a Boeing 737 civil airliner missionised with sensors, weapons bays and other elements to enable it to conduct anti-submarine warfare (ASW), anti-surface warfare (ASuW), search and rescue (SAR) and other roles. The type was originally developed for the United States Navy and is now also operated by India (as the customised P-8I Neptune) and the Royal Australian Air Force.

The nine P-8s will be based at RAF Lossiemouth in Scotland, which will have an additional 400 personnel deployed to the base to operate and support the aircraft. Some GBP100 million is set to be invested at RAF Lossiemouth in order to provide support and training at the base.

The decision to buy the P-8 was the highlight of the UK's Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR) of 2015. The SDSR made the decision for an off-the-shelf purchase of the P-8 over running a formal competition or developing a sovereign or bespoke MPA capability.

The head of the UK's defence procurement agency (the DE&S), Tony Douglas, said on 11 July that "the P-8A aircraft was the best solution to fill our maritime patrol aircraft capability gap; it is tried, tested and can be delivered in the timeline we need."

http://www.janes.com/article/62159/farnborough-2016-uk-orders-p-8-poseidon-maritime-patrol-aircraft

Sparkplug

UK's Boeing P-8 purchase gets US tick of approval

By James Drew, Washington DC | 25 march 2016

The UK has moved a step closer to filling a maritime patrol void left by the retirement of the Nimrod MR2 in 2010 after being approved by the US State Department to acquire nine torpedo-carrying Boeing P-8A Poseidons for the Royal Air Force.

Estimated to be worth $3.2 billion, the deal is unlikely to face opposition from Congress during the 30-day notification period as the advanced, radar-carrying submarine and surface ship hunter is already being exported to Australia and India.

The US Defense Security Cooperation Agency announced approval of the pending foreign military sale on 25 March, just four months after British Prime Minister David Cameron announced the P-8A plan as part of a £178 billion ($270 billion) investment in new military hardware.

The Ministry of Defence opted to sole-source the nation's lapsed maritime patrol need to the Boeing 737-based P-8 over European and Asian alternatives, such as a C295-based solution put forward by Airbus Defence & Space and the Kawasaki P-1.

Since divesting the Nimrod and abandoning its intended replacement, the BAE Systems Nimrod MRA4, the UK has retained its airborne maritime patrol and reconnaissance competency by embedding RAF crews with Australian, Canadian, New Zealand and American forces.

A Nimrod replacement "has remained the United Kingdom's highest priority unfunded requirement," DSCA notes.

If the acquisition in finalised, the top-tier contractors will be: ViaSat, GC Micro, Rockwell Collins, Spirit AeroSystems, Raytheon, Telephonics, Pole Zero, Northrop Grumman, Exelis, Terma, Symmetrics, Arnprior Aerospace, General Electric and Martin Baker.


Boeing 737-based P-8A
US Navy

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/uks-boeing-p-8-purchase-gets-us-tick-of-approval-423543/
A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing.

-- Brigadier General Robin Olds, USAF.

Harald

No modification for UK P-8

The UK will not fit Stormshadow or Sting Ray weapon systems onto its Boeing P-8 Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) in order to bring the platform into service with the RAF as soon as possible.

In a written parliamentary response issued on 16 December Philip Dunne, Minister of State for Defence Procurement, said the aircraft would be put into service 'without significant modification to ensure the delivery of operational capability as soon as is practicable'.

He continued: 'There are no current plans to integrate Stormshadow and Sting Ray onto the aircraft, though it is possible that future capability enhancements once the aircraft is in service with the RAF may include UK weapons.'

In its existing configuration the P-8 cannot conduct air-to-air refuelling with RAF Voyager aircraft.

A deal for nine P-8 MPAs was announced in the strategic defence and security review in November and ended months of speculation about regenerating a maritime patrol capability lost following the decision to scrap the Nimrod MRA4 programme in 2010.

Boeing's P-8 aircraft – based on the commercial 737 airliner – had been a leading contender for several months and had thought to be the favoured option by RAF officials.

Industry had been vying for months for a potential UK contract, with heavyweights Airbus DS and Lockheed Martin proposing solutions.

The UK now joins Australia and India as export customers of the P-8.

On 3 December Dunne said that entry into service with the RAF in the UK would occur during the 2019-20 financial year. Exact dates for entering service and for all nine aircraft to be operational were yet to be agreed.

Discussions were also ongoing with Boeing to determine how the programme would affect UK-based jobs, although it was expected to have a significant impact on the economy, according to Dunne.

He added that according to Boeing, the entire P-8 programme could generate over $1 billion.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/imps-news/no-stormshadow-or-sting-ray-uk-p-8/

Harald

Britain might loan 2 P-8As while waiting for its own aircraft to be delivered

WASHINGTON — UK Secretary of State for Defence Michael Fallon intends to discuss ways the US can help supply maritime surveillance capability until its P-8 aircraft come online – potentially including an acceleration of delivery for the Boeing made aircraft.

Asked whether the United Kingdom would be asking the Pentagon to provide some form of stopgap measure until the P-8s are available in order to deal with an influx of Russian submarine activity in Europe, Fallon said that will be an issue brought up during his Friday meeting with US Defense Secretary Ash Carter.

"Yes there will be discussions, and I hope they will be this afternoon, because we need it," Fallon said, specifically citing the "increase in Russian submarine activity" during the past year.

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Voor gehele artikel, zie LINK
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2015/12/11/fallon-carter-p8-russia-submarine-uk/77157960/