Rusland's Expansie

[Benji87]

Zijn wat zaken foutgegaan voor Oekraïne:

Eenheden die richting novoprokopivka vanuit robotyne getrokken zijn in een hinderlaag gelopen.

Russen hebben een trein met voertuigen en personeel aangevallen met een kruisraket. Trein was volgeladen en stond stil. Schade lijkt mee te vallen omdat de raket ernaast viel. W.s wel veel schade aan voertuigen en personeel.

Uit nieuwsgierigheid, Waar heb je dat nieuws van die hinderlaag in Novoprokopivka vandaan?

Verbove lijkt nu wel een kwestie van tijd overigens. Daar staan ze nu met gepantserde eenheden in de buitenwijk

[Huzaar1]

Zijn wat zaken foutgegaan voor Oekraïne:

Eenheden die richting novoprokopivka vanuit robotyne getrokken zijn in een hinderlaag gelopen.

Russen hebben een trein met voertuigen en personeel aangevallen met een kruisraket. Trein was volgeladen en stond stil. Schade lijkt mee te vallen omdat de raket ernaast viel. W.s wel veel schade aan voertuigen en personeel.

[Ace1]

Ukraine's Forces control part of Kozatskyi Island on left bank of Dnipro – ISW

Ukrainian troops advanced near Verbove in Zaporizhzhia Oblast on 19 September, and several small Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance groups landed on the left bank of the Dnipro River near the Antonivka Bridge and on Kozatskyi Island.

Details: Russian troops conducted offensive actions in the west part of Zaporizhzhia Oblast, but they did not advance on 19 September. The General Staff of Ukraine's Armed Forces reported that Russian troops launched an unsuccessful attack near the settlement of Robotyne.

At the same time, ISW said the Russian military claimed that a few small Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance groups landed on the Dnipro River's left bank: north of Pidstepne (approximately 12 km east of the Antonivka Bridge, Kherson) and on the Kozatskyi Island (northwest of Nova Kakhovka, Kherson Oblast). And that Ukrainian forces have control of the northern part of Kozatskyi Island.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/20/7420574/

[Benji87]

Langzaam maar zeker stromen er steeds meer berichten binnen dat de aanvalsas Melitopol erin is geslaagd om Novoprokopivka en Verbove te bereiken. Dit betekend een doorbraak van de 2e verdedigingslinie tenminste bij Verbove dan. Het feit dat men zwaar materiaal erdoor heen gekregen is ook significant. Van die 3e linie kan waarschijnlijk ook wel snel werk worden gemaakt.

[Benji87]

Ukrainian forces have broken through in Verbove, top general says

The general leading Ukraine's counteroffensive along the southern front line says his forces have broken through in Verbove – and predicts an even bigger breakthrough to come.

"On the left flank [near Verbove] we have a breakthrough and we continue to advance further," Oleksandr Tarnavsky told CNN Senior International Correspondent Frederik Pleitgen during an interview on Friday, though he conceded his troops were moving slower than anticipated.

"Not as fast as it was expected, not like in the movies about the Second World War," he said. "The main thing is not to lose this initiative (that we have). And, well, not to lose it in practice, with actions."

The general's claim is the latest indication by Ukrainian officials that inroads are being made on the southern front in the war with Russia.

Ukrainian forces claimed in recent weeks to have penetrated the "first line" of Russian strongholds in the Zaporizhzia region, in a sign that Kyiv was edging closer to Moscow's sprawling network of fortified trenches along the southern front.

Russian-appointed officials in occupied Zaporizhzhia have given a different picture of the fighting. CNN is unable to verify the battlefield reports of either side. However, open-source analysis of available video suggests that some Ukrainian units have crossed through an important line of Russian defenses near the village of Verbove.

Ukraine's long-term goal is to break Russia's "land bridge," which links territory it holds in the east with annexed Crimea.

At the beginning of September Ukrainian forces said they had taken the village of Robotyne and were pushing east toward the village of Novoprokopivka. Soldiers said they expected battles for control of high ground to the south and east of the village as they approached the next layer of Russian defenses. Verbove is a few miles east from Robotyne.

However, Tarnavsky told CNN he believed the big breakthrough of the counteroffensive would be if Ukraine could take Tokmak, a strategic hub for Russia, which is its first major target in its fight in the south.

CNN reported earlier this week that the Ukrainian forces were still some 20 kilometers from Tokmak, struggling to break through the multiple layers of Russian defenses.

"I believe yes [there will be a big breakthrough]," Tarnavsky said. "I think it will happen after Tokmak. At the moment (the Russians) are relying on the depth of their defensive line there."

Rather than the 'Surovikin line' – a defensive line built on the orders of former General Sergey Surovikin, while he was in charge of Russian forces in Ukraine – Tarnavsky says the bigger issues are the "crossroads, tree lines and minefields between the tree lines."

"[There's] a combination of small harmful enemy defense groups that currently are planted very precisely and competently," he said. "But the actions of our fighters force them to slowly pull back when they face our assault squads."

The general conceded that for the counteroffensive to be a success, Ukrainian forces need to at least reach the city of Tokmak.

"Tokmak is the minimum goal," he said. "The overall objective is to get to our state borders."

'Not as fast as expected'
Despite conceding the advance wasn't going as "fast as expected," Tarnavsky said winter would not slow down the counteroffensive.

Intense rains in the fall can make the ground in Ukraine soggy and make movement with heavy machinery, like tanks, more difficult, but Tarnavsky says Ukraine's forces move in small groups, mostly on foot.

"The weather can be a serious obstacle during advance, but considering how we move forward, mostly without vehicles, I don't think [the weather] will heavily influence the counteroffensive," Tarnavsky told Pleitgen in the interview.

"Right now, neither the enemy nor us uses large formations, companies, battalions or brigades. We use assault squads, groups of 10 to 15 men," he explained. "They conduct titanic work of concentrating enemy fire on them and using all the means they have to use to survive."

One of the reasons for the slow advance, the general said, was the fact that Russia had been able to learn some lessons from other Ukrainian offensives.

"The Russians are learning quite fast, as they don't have any other choice. If they don't learn, they will be defeated sooner," he explained. "I wouldn't say they are adapting to our actions, as we also change our tactics."

He said Ukraine had also been adapting to using Western equipment, as well as Western tactics.

When asked about rising resistance in the West to continuing weapons supplies to Ukraine, especially in the US, where some have voiced doubt about Kyiv's chances of success, Tarnavsky said he respected their view.

"Let it be the opinion of the skeptics. It's not a competition and we don't have a choice," he said. "I understand somebody may have imagined large scale counteroffensive operations. But times are changing, enemy tactics are changing, weapons change."

"We have one goal – liberation of our territories. However hard it is we will keep on working. And I want to thank even the skeptics, their criticism also influences our task's success," he said.

He thanked Ukraine's Western allies for their continuous support and pledged to treat the tanks and armored vehicles they have supplied with great care.

He said Wagner fighters still pop up "here and there" on the front line following the death of the group's former boss Yevgeny Prigozhin, who died in a plane crash last month after leading a failed insurrection that posed the biggest threat to the rule of Russian President Vladimir Putin in decades.

A deal struck to de-escalate the crisis was supposed to have sent Prigozhin and his fighters to neighboring Belarus, but there have been reports of Wagner fighters redeploying to Kherson.

Asked about those reports, Tarnavsky said, "In some directions, I can't say whether it's the Kherson region, or our direction, or somewhere else, they do pop up. The fact is that their badges appear here and there – that's been constant."

Tarnavsky went on to say his men usually speculated about the presence of Wagner whenever their enemy started behaving more competently.

"We suspect the presence of Wagner if we see the deterrence of our offensive forces with the involvement of a category of military personnel who perform these tasks in a more interesting (more non-standard) way," he explained. "This makes one think: "Maybe it's Wagner has showed up?""

"But there is no such unit in my area of the front today," he added. "Regarding Kherson direction – I can't say."

Ukraine recently launched a missile attack on the headquarters of Russia's Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, in the Crimean peninsula, which was illegally annexed by Moscow's forces in 2014.

Tarnavsky told CNN that strikes on Crimea are important for the success of Kyiv's counteroffensive.

"The success of offensive operations is not only about destroying the enemy in front of you, it's also about destroying places of concentration of equipment, personnel and especially destroying the command centers," he said, adding that it can create a "a mess on the battlefield."

The general added striking Crimea was especially important as a rallying cry for Ukrainian forces and to boost morale.

"It helps us but it also gives us hope for the future," he said.

Bron: CNN

[Huzaar1]

NBC maakt melding van een klein aantal maar de formele beslissing moet volgens mij nog genomen worden. DOD zelf maakt er geen melding van in aankondiging van het nieuwe wapen pakket in ieder geval.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3534283/biden-administration-announces-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/

Even afwachten dus nog. Hopelijk gaan de Duitsers dan ook overstag en wordt de Taurus dan ook geleverd.

Apparaat is wel geleverd hoor kun je vanuit gaan.

[Benji87]

Schijnen er toch wat te zijn meegegeven.

NBC maakt melding van een klein aantal maar de formele beslissing moet volgens mij nog genomen worden. DOD zelf maakt er geen melding van in aankondiging van het nieuwe wapen pakket in ieder geval.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3534283/biden-administration-announces-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/

Even afwachten dus nog. Hopelijk gaan de Duitsers dan ook overstag en wordt de Taurus dan ook geleverd.

[Ace1]

Oekraïne leverde doorgaans geen grote hoeveelheden graan af aan de EU maar ziet zich door de oorlog noodgedwongen om dat wel te doen. Het gevolg is dat het de graan prijzen van Europese boeren enorm drukt. Vreemd genoeg merken jij en ik daar geen reet van in de supermarkt 

Niet alleen in de supermarkt maar ook bij de bakker merk ik er niets van.

[Ace1]

Schijnen er toch wat te zijn meegegeven.

Dat klopt

[Huzaar1]

Geen ATACMS helaas  maar wel een hoop andere speeltjes

Schijnen er toch wat te zijn meegegeven.

[Benji87]

Misschien dat het nu wel hard en snel kan gaan.

Als deze informatie klopt, en dat is lastig verifiëren in een oorlog, dan heeft Oekraïne wel gelijk gehad door te stellen dat de 2e linie wel makkelijker is dan de 1e linie. Maar tijd moet dat uitwijzen. Ik wacht nog op betere bevestigingen. Ik heb wel het gevoel dat als Oekraïne hier doorheen breekt de hele Russische verdediging als een kaartenhuis in elkaar dondert.

[pz]

@fpleitgenCNN
CNN Senior International Correspondent and Anchor

Interviewed Ukraine's Commanding General for the counteroffensive in the South, Oleksandr Tarnavsky. Main points: Praised strikes on Russian navy in Sevastopol, said he expects big push when his forces reach Tokmak, says fighting will NOT be slowed in Winter because they are using mostly small units and less heavy vehicles to advance, is not very concerned about the Surovikin line. #CNN #UKRAINE

[Enforcer]

Misschien dat het nu wel hard en snel kan gaan.

[Benji87]

Komop jongens, die 2e lijn staat ook op het punt van breken    update van ISW vanochtend.

Ukrainian armored vehicles are operating beyond the final line of the Russian defensive layer that Ukrainian forces in western Zaporizhia Oblast are currently penetrating, although ISW is not yet prepared to assess that Ukrainian forces have broken fully through this Russian defensive layer. Geolocated footage posted on September 21 indicates that Ukrainian armored vehicles advanced south of the Russian anti-tank ditches and dragon's teeth obstacles that are part of a tri-layered defense and engaged in limited combat immediately west of Verbove (18km southeast of Orikhiv). It is unclear if Ukrainian forces retain these positions, however. This is the first observed instance of Ukrainian forces operating armored vehicles beyond the Russian tri-layer defense. The presence of Ukrainian armored vehicles beyond the final line of the current Russian defensive layer indicates that the Ukrainians have secured their breach of the first two lines of this layer sufficiently to operate vehicles through the breach. Ukrainian forces have likely suppressed Russian artillery and other anti-tank systems in the area enough to bring their vehicles forward. The Ukrainian ability to bring armored vehicles to and through the most formidable Russian defenses intended to stop them and to operate these vehicles near prepared Russian defensive positions are important signs of progress in the Ukrainian counteroffensive.Additional geolocated footage published on September 20 and 21 indicates that Ukrainian forces also advanced west and southwest of Verbove.

[Huzaar1]

Oekraïne leverde doorgaans geen grote hoeveelheden graan af aan de EU maar ziet zich door de oorlog noodgedwongen om dat wel te doen. Het gevolg is dat het de graan prijzen van Europese boeren enorm drukt. Vreemd genoeg merken jij en ik daar geen reet van in de supermarkt 

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