Rusland's Expansie

Gestart door ARM-WAP, 30/07/2007 | 13:26 uur

Parera

Duitlsand heeft het volledige MANTIS systeem af gestoten, de laatste twee systemen zijn overgedragen aan
Slowakije. Het personeel is overgegaan op de IRIS-T luchtdoelraketten.

De BW vond het systeem niet meer nodig, ik vraag me dan af waarom. Het 35 mm kanon schijnt prima te werken tegen drones en kruisraketten in Oekraïne. Misschien is het statische deel van het systeem juist het probleem voor de Duitsers.

Benji87

Citaat van: Umbert op 07/01/2024 | 01:02 uurLijkt dus op onze "oude" flycatcher configuratie

Ja klopt ja, vele betere vergelijking eigenlijk. Wat waren de ervaringen met dat systeem?

Harald

Zet zo'n mk3 35mm op een G5 onderstel en tadaaaaa... 
;) Pruttel 1.5

Umbert

Citaat van: Benji87 op 06/01/2024 | 15:45 uurUkraine just got a new Western air-defense system meant to wipe out Russian drones by firing 1,000 rounds per minute

* Ukraine on Thursday received a new Western air-defense system, German authorities said.
* The German-made system, Skynex, can fire up to 1,000 bullets a minute, its developer says.

Ukraine has just received a new Western air-defense system designed to wipe out Russian drones by firing 1,000 bullets a minute.

The German federal government announced the delivery of the German-made air-defense system, Oerlikon Skynex, on Thursday as part of its latest aid package to Ukraine.

The system is designed to defend against aircraft, cruise missiles, and certain types of drones, among other things.

Some of the significant components of the system are a "sensor package, a shooter package, and a command-and-control package," a video posted on YouTube by its developer, the German arms manufacturer Rheinmetall, says.


It also has an X-TAR3D target-acquisition radar, capable of identifying aerial threats within a 31-mile range, the video says. It can classify and identify air targets and provides "3D target-tracking data," it adds.

Depending on the attack, up to four Mk3 revolver guns can be activated, according to Rheinmetall.

The Mk3 revolver gun can fire up to 1,000 rounds of ammunition a minute at aerial threats, the German manufacturer added.

The guns are equipped with tracking radars, TV and infrared cameras, and laser range finders, hitting targets up to about 2.5 miles away.


Mk3 revolver guns, part of the Skynex system. Qatari Ministry of Defense

The system comes with Ahead technology, a type of airburst 35 mm ammunition.

"Each Ahead round contains 152 tungsten sub-projectiles which are ejected immediately in front of the oncoming target," the manufacturer says on its website.

"It can be fitted to any suitable automatic cannon and then successfully engage small, fast aerial targets with a high kill probability," it adds.

The Skynex system is also likely cheaper than some other air-defense systems.

In a press release in December 2022, Rheinmetall said it was supplying two Skynex air-defense systems worth about 182 million euros, or nearly $200 million, to an international partner.

By comparison, Patriot defense systems cost $1.1 billion each.

Bron: https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-western-air-defense-system-wipe-out-russian-drones-aircraft-2024-1?amp

Lijkt dus op onze "oude" flycatcher configuratie

Lynxian

Citaat van: Benji87 op 06/01/2024 | 23:14 uurOp Hoeveel km zijn deze systemen effectief? Ik weet dat het radar bereik 31 km is maar wat is de actie radius? Persoonlijk vind ik 200 mil vrij veel voor iets wat de PRTL net zo goed kan namelijk of zie ik dat verkeerd?
Ik denk dat het wat makkelijker is om hiervoor munitie en reserve-onderdelen te vinden. En nu heeft Rheinmetall ook meteen de felbegeerde 'combat proven' sticker erop.

Benji87

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 06/01/2024 | 18:00 uurMooi systeem, paar keer in vredepeel gezien.

Op Hoeveel km zijn deze systemen effectief? Ik weet dat het radar bereik 31 km is maar wat is de actie radius? Persoonlijk vind ik 200 mil vrij veel voor iets wat de PRTL net zo goed kan namelijk of zie ik dat verkeerd?

Huzaar1

Mooi systeem, paar keer in vredepeel gezien.
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion" US secmindef - Jed Babbin"

Benji87

Ukraine just got a new Western air-defense system meant to wipe out Russian drones by firing 1,000 rounds per minute

* Ukraine on Thursday received a new Western air-defense system, German authorities said.
* The German-made system, Skynex, can fire up to 1,000 bullets a minute, its developer says.

Ukraine has just received a new Western air-defense system designed to wipe out Russian drones by firing 1,000 bullets a minute.

The German federal government announced the delivery of the German-made air-defense system, Oerlikon Skynex, on Thursday as part of its latest aid package to Ukraine.

The system is designed to defend against aircraft, cruise missiles, and certain types of drones, among other things.

Some of the significant components of the system are a "sensor package, a shooter package, and a command-and-control package," a video posted on YouTube by its developer, the German arms manufacturer Rheinmetall, says.


It also has an X-TAR3D target-acquisition radar, capable of identifying aerial threats within a 31-mile range, the video says. It can classify and identify air targets and provides "3D target-tracking data," it adds.

Depending on the attack, up to four Mk3 revolver guns can be activated, according to Rheinmetall.

The Mk3 revolver gun can fire up to 1,000 rounds of ammunition a minute at aerial threats, the German manufacturer added.

The guns are equipped with tracking radars, TV and infrared cameras, and laser range finders, hitting targets up to about 2.5 miles away.


Mk3 revolver guns, part of the Skynex system. Qatari Ministry of Defense

The system comes with Ahead technology, a type of airburst 35 mm ammunition.

"Each Ahead round contains 152 tungsten sub-projectiles which are ejected immediately in front of the oncoming target," the manufacturer says on its website.

"It can be fitted to any suitable automatic cannon and then successfully engage small, fast aerial targets with a high kill probability," it adds.

The Skynex system is also likely cheaper than some other air-defense systems.

In a press release in December 2022, Rheinmetall said it was supplying two Skynex air-defense systems worth about 182 million euros, or nearly $200 million, to an international partner.

By comparison, Patriot defense systems cost $1.1 billion each.

Bron: https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-western-air-defense-system-wipe-out-russian-drones-aircraft-2024-1?amp

Benji87

Normaal gesproken zou het hebben van een vliegdekschip een symbool zijn van een krachtige natie maar de Kuznetsov vertegenwoordigt precies waar Rusland vandaag de dag voor staat. Een oud reliek uit het verleden lopend op oude troep  :neutral:  waarom hebben ze dit ding überhaupt nog?

Benji87

Admiral Kuznetsov: Russia's Only Aircraft Carrier Now Has An Even Bigger Problem

What if you had a warship but not enough trained sailors to run it? That is the dilemma facing the troubled Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov.

What if you had a warship but not enough trained sailors to run it? That is the dilemma facing the troubled Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov. Russia's only aircraft carrier reportedly doesn't have a crew and it will need a full contingent of personnel if it is to take any voyage in 2024.

Kuznetsov has been in drydock since 2017 and has endured numerous deadly mishaps and accidents during that time. It finally left drydock in February.

Where Are the New Sailors Coming From?

Now the Russian navy is contemplating the best way to recruit and train a full force of sailors to guide the Kuznetsov on the high seas.

Russia news outlet Izvestia reported on April 10 that the crew for the carrier is being "reformed."

The process for picking sailors for the carrier is a long one, and it is not clear when the effort started, according to Russian naval sources quoted in Izvestia.

There is a war on, of course, and Russia is sending any available recruits to the front in Ukraine, robbing the navy of potential manpower.

Specialized Crew Is Needed for Admiral Kuznetsov

Russia could draft new citizens to become sailors, but a carrier requires personnel that can deftly maneuver around a flight deck as well as launch and secure numerous aircraft takeoffs and landings.

Plus, the carrier would need more engineers familiar with the ship's propulsion system that relies on a thick, tarry substance called mazut. These sailors would need an unknown amount of preparation before they would be ready to staff and operate a carrier.

Training naval sources, said in Izvestia, could take months even if old and new sailors could be recruited tomorrow. They would need to get used to the new systems and focus on the intricate choreography of flight deck operations.

The Kuznetsov requires a 1,500-person crew. Supposedly, the refurbished ship will have some automated systems so fewer sailors would be needed. The previous crew size before the refit period was as high as 1,900 people. New electronic gear and better armaments will require specialized training for the new sailors.

The Drive.com's War Zone said that the ship would need "officers, midshipmen sailors, motorists, navigators and signalmen – specialists in the operation and maintenance of aviation equipment will also need to be recruited." This personnel may not be ready for immediate deployment.

Past Difficulties Suggest the Carrier Is Cursed with Bad Luck

The Russian navy wanted the Kuznetsov to be ready by 2021, but numerous accidents afflicted the carrier. In 2019, there was a fire in the engine room from a welding mishap and two workers died. Fourteen more suffered from smoke inhalation and burns. In 2018, a floating crane crashed into the Kuznetsov's deck in an accident that killed one worker and injured four others. There was even a crime of embezzlement relating to the shipyard in 2021. In December 2022, there was another fire onboard.

There are many experts who believe this aircraft carrier may never sail again.

Admiral Kuznetsov Aircraft Carrier: Not Combat Effective

The Russian navy could try and transfer skilled officers and noncommissioned officers from other ships, but these sailors would need to quickly become experts in working on a carrier. This inexperience could lead to yet another accident.

Delays in executing these staffing maneuvers would also affect the combat readiness of the ship. Russia could try and locate older personnel that served on the Kuznetsov previously, but these sailors may be retired from the navy and too advanced in age to serve again.

That leaves out pilots and support technicians for the various airplanes that would be deployed on the carrier. These aircrews are employed in the Ukrainian theater and likely not sitting around waiting for a call from the Kuznetsov. The ship can only carry 24 aircraft, but it may be difficult to track down enough pilots and maintenance specialists to staff the airplanes.

This is another embarrassing development for Vladimir Putin's navy. The maritime branch was supposed to be fully modernized by now, but there are not enough carrier-qualified sailors for the Kuznetsov. This will likely cause more extended delays. It also shows that the Russian navy is overrated and has not made a difference in Ukraine. Creating a blue water navy that can project power outside of Russia's immediate region has proved difficult if not impossible for Moscow. The lack of crew for the carrier is another mazut-blackened eye, and it remains to be seen whether Russia can transform its navy to past glory.

Bron: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/admiral-kuznetsov-russia%E2%80%99s-only-aircraft-carrier-now-has-even-bigger-problem-208336

Enforcer

Citaat van: Oorlogsvis op 05/01/2024 | 16:06 uurKomt dat doordat de wapenfabrieken nog steeds op een te lage produktie zitten ?

Productielijnen opzetten en bemensen kost nogal wat tijd. En met een bureacratische overheid en onzekerheid of investeringen door bedrijven wel langdurend rendement oplevert is het voor die bedrijven ook niet echt motiverend om snel op actie over te gaan.

Hopelijk gaat het nu sneller nu er met die Patriots een goede stap is gezet.

Oorlogsvis

Citaat van: Huzaar1 op 04/01/2024 | 11:48 uurGoh,

Kan je alvast nieuws verklapprn, dat geldt voor 80% van alle wapensystemen die hier worden geproduceerd.
Komt dat doordat de wapenfabrieken nog steeds op een te lage produktie zitten ?

Huzaar1

Citaat van: Harald op 04/01/2024 | 11:42 uurhttps://www.businessinsider.nl/tekort-onderdelen-reparatie-leopard-2-tanks-oekraine/

Europa kampt met een tekort aan reserveonderdelen voor reparatie van Leopard 2-tanks in Oekraïne, zegt een Duitse politicus

 >:(  :mad:

Goh,

Kan je alvast nieuws verklapprn, dat geldt voor 80% van alle wapensystemen die hier worden geproduceerd.
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion" US secmindef - Jed Babbin"

Harald

https://www.businessinsider.nl/tekort-onderdelen-reparatie-leopard-2-tanks-oekraine/

Europa kampt met een tekort aan reserveonderdelen voor reparatie van Leopard 2-tanks in Oekraïne, zegt een Duitse politicus

 >:(  :mad:

Enforcer

Waarom hebben de Engelsen ze niet als Engels schip naar Roemenië gevaren en vervolgens dat een blauw-gele vlag er op gehangen?