De Chinese expansie(drift)

Gestart door VandeWiel, 25/04/2010 | 22:02 uur

Flyguy

Ze moeten het toch ook leren? Het westen heeft sinds WO1 gehad om te komen waar we nu zijn, China begint net.

Ace1

#378
Het is mij nu duidelijk dat de chinezen niet zelfstandig iets kunnen ontwerpen en vaak tekeningen of prototypes kopen  of kopieren of stelen, qa vliegdekschepen bouwen en een AEW toestel zijn ze volgens mij verder dan men in het westen denken en het  AEW toestel  is niet  geschikt voor de Liaoning (ex Varyag).

Flyguy

Dat is een forse jongen zeg. Ondertussen in Nederland...

Ace1

Nog een foto gevonden van Ulyanovsk in aanbouw, zodat men een idee heeft van de grote. nogmaals dit schip is nooit voltooid.


Ace1

#375
even verder gezocht op internet en kwam dit tegen.



Overigens plaatste ik een tijdje terug wat foto´s van een Chinese versie van de E-2 Hawkeye, ik heb het vermoeden dat China de tekeningen of kopieen van de Yak 44  heeft. De Yak 44 was de Sovet tegenhanger van de E-2 Hawkeye maar door de instorting van Sovjet-Unie werd dit programma in de ijskast gezet.

http://paralay.net/44.html


Ace1

China has already started construction of a Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carrier according to report

According to china.org.cn, the United States recently acquired satellite imagery showing an aircraft carrier currently being assembled in military shipyard of Shanghai.

China's current and only aircraft carrier was recently delivered to the Chinese navy and training in air operations has just started.

The new aircraft carrier supposedly in construction would be the first home made carrier for the nation. However according to other reports, China would have acquired blue prints from Soviet aircraft carrier Ulyanovsk. Ulyanovsk was the first of a class of never completed Soviet nuclear-powered aircraft carriers.

The vessel would have been 85,000 tons in displacement and would have been able to carry up to 70 fixed-wing carrier aircraft. Ulyanovsk had a unique design: It would have been fitted with both steam catapults and ski-ramp in order to launch those aircraft.

According to china.org.cn, the new aircraft carrier currently in construction in Shanghai could be based on the Ulyanovsk.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2012-news/october/691--china-has-already-started-construction-of-a-nuclear-powered-aircraft-carrier-according-to-report.html

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

US carrier force supports Asean

Published: 21/10/2012 at 08:38 AM Online news: Asia 

The United States has sent an aircraft carrier and support ships through the South China Sea in a show of support for Malaysia, the Philippines and Vietnam in their territorial disputes with China.

Voor plaatjes zie; link

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/317817/us-carrier-force-supports-asean

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

US shows its maritime resolve in disputed South China Sea, sending signal to Beijing

Published October 20, 2012 Associated Press

ON BOARD THE USS GEORGE WASHINGTON –  A U.S. aircraft carrier group cruised through the disputed South China Sea on Saturday in a show of American power in waters that are fast becoming a focal point of Washington's strategic rivalry with Beijing.

Vietnamese security and government officials were flown onto the nuclear-powered USS George Washington ship, underlining the burgeoning military relationship between the former enemies. A small number of journalists were also invited to witness the display of maritime might in the oil-rich waters, which are home to islands disputed between China and the other smaller Asian nations facing the sea.

The visit will likely reassure Vietnam and the Philippines of American support but could annoy China, whose growing economic and naval strength is leading to a greater assertiveness in pressing its claims there. The United States is building closer economic and military alliances with Vietnam and other nations in the region as part of a "pivot" away from the Middle East to Asia, a shift in large part meant to counter rising Chinese influence.

The Vietnamese officials took photos of F-18 fighter jets taking off and landing on the ship's 1,000-foot- (305-meter-) long flight deck, met the captain and toured the hulking ship, which has more than 5,000 sailors on board.

The mission came a day after Beijing staged military exercises near islands in the nearby East China Sea it disputes with U.S ally Japan. Those tensions have flared in recent days.

China claims nearly all of the South China Sea, where the U.S. says it has a national interest in ensuring freedom of navigation in an area crossed by vital shipping lanes. Vietnam, the Philippines and several other Asian nations also claim parts of the sea. The disputes attracted little international interest until the late 1990s, when surveys indicated possible large oil reserves. American rivalry with China has given the disputes an extra dimension in recent years.

The U.S. Navy regularly patrols the Asia-Pacific region, conducting joint exercises with its allies and training in the strategic region. The trip by the George Washington off the coast of Vietnam is its third in as many years. A second aircraft carrier, the USS John C. Stennis, has also conducting operations in the western Pacific region recently, according to the U.S. Pacific Fleet.

Capt. Gregory Fenton said the mission was aimed in part at improving relations with Vietnam and ensuring the U.S. had free passage in the South China Sea.

China's military buildup, including the launch of its own carrier last year and rapid development of ballistic missiles and cyber warfare capabilities, could potentially crimp the U.S. forces' freedom to operate in the waters. The United States doesn't publicly take sides in the territorial disputes among China and its neighbors.

"It is our goal to see the region's nations figure out these tensions ... on their own, our role of that to date is to conduct freedom of navigation exercises within international waters," Fenton said in an interview on the bridge.

Although claimant countries have pledged to settle the territorial rifts peacefully, the disputes have erupted in violence in the past, including in 1988 when China and Vietnam clashed in the Spratly Islands in a confrontation that killed 64 Vietnamese soldiers. Many fear the disputes could become Asia's next flash point for armed conflict.

Vietnam is pleased to accept help from its one-time foe America as a hedge against its giant neighbor China, with which it also tries to maintain good relations.

Still, the Hanoi government reacted angrily to recent moves by Beijing to establish a garrison on one of the Paracel islands, which Vietnam claims. The United States also criticized the move by Beijing, earning it a rebuke from the government there.

"China will take this (cruise) as another expression by the United States of its desire to maintain regional domination," said Denny Roy, a senior fellow at the East-West Center in Hawaii. "The U.S also wants to send a message to the region that it is here for the long haul ... and that it wants to back up international law."

While most analysts believe military confrontation in the waters is highly unlikely anytime soon, they say tensions are likely to increase as China continues pressing its claims and building its navy.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/19/us-shows-its-maritime-resolve-in-disputed-south-china-sea-sending-signal-to/#ixzz29uqRI6Xm

Lex

NE China to set up two drone bases for marine surveillance

SHENYANG, Oct. 20 (Xinhua) -- Two drone bases will be established in northeast China's Liaoning Province for real time surveillance on coastal waters, local authorities said Saturday.

One of the bases will be built on a land reclamation lot in the coastal city of Yingkou to cover the Bohai Sea area. The other will be constructed in Dalian city to cover parts of the Yellow Sea within the province's jurisdiction, according to the oceanic and fishing department of the provincial government.

The drones will feature high-definition remote-sensing in marine surveillance, especially in quick response to emergency situations. They can also be used to identify illegal land reclamation activities and sand dredging, and monitor marine environments along the coast and on islets.

A previous report said China was planning to build 11 drone bases for marine surveillance along the country's coastline by 2015 and at least one drone would be stationed at each base.

According to the State Oceanic Administration, the use of pilotless aircraft in remote-sensing marine surveillance is relatively flexible, low-cost and efficient compared with the performance of satellite remote sensing, aerial remote sensing and field monitoring.

Xinhua,
2012-10-20 20:45:34

andré herc

#370
Een video van de nieuwe derde LPD voor China

Den Haag stop met afbreken van NL Defensie, en investeer in een eigen C-17.

Lex

Chinese schepen oefenen in Oost-Chinese Zee

PEKING - Chinese schepen en vliegtuigen houden vrijdag een grote oefening in de Oost-Chinese Zee, waar China met Japan ruziet om enkele eilandjes. Dat meldden Chinese staatsmedia.

In totaal doen 11 schepen van onder meer marine en visserij-autoriteiten en 8 vliegtuigen mee. De oefening is er onder meer op gericht de reactie te verbeteren op ,,noodsituaties tijdens missies die de territoriale soevereiniteit en maritieme belangen bewaken'', aldus staatspersbureau Xinhua.

Chinese schepen in het gebied zijn lastiggevallen en achtervolgd door buitenlandse mogendheden, stelt China.

ANP,
19 oktober 2012 9:55

jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)

di 16 okt 2012, 07:17

Chinese marine opnieuw in betwiste wateren TOKIO -  Zeven Chinese marineschepen hebben dinsdag rondgevaren in wat Japan beschouwt als zijn territoriale wateren bij de onbewoonde eilandjes in de Oost-Chinese Zee. Dat heeft het Japanse Ministerie van Defensie gemeld.

Japan en China ruziën al enige tijd over de eilandengroep. Volgens het ministerie zou het gaan om twee torpedoboten, twee fregatten, twee onderzeeërs en een bevoorradingsschip.

De schepen zouden 49 kilometer ten zuidwesten van het internationaal erkende Japanse eiland Yonaguni zijn gesignaleerd.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/13080216/__Marine_China_bij__Japans_gebied___.html

Elzenga

Japanese, U.S. Troops Mull Drill To Take Island: Reports
Oct. 14, 2012 - 04:28PM   | 
By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE   |   Comments   

TOKYO — Japan and the United States are mulling a joint military drill to simulate retaking a remote island from foreign forces, reports said, amid a festering row between Tokyo and Beijing over disputed islets.

The exercise, part of broader joint maneuvers to start in early November, would use an uninhibited island in Okinawa, southernmost Japan, Jiji Press and Kyodo News agencies quoted unidentified sources as saying on Oct. 13.

The drill would involve Japanese and U.S. troops making an amphibious and airborne landing to retake the island using boats and helicopters, Kyodo said.

Japan and China have long been at loggerheads over the sovereignty of rocky outcrops in the East China Sea known as the Senkaku Islands in Japan and the Diaoyu Islands in China.

The Tokyo-administered island chain is uninhabited, but is thought to be sitting on top of valuable resources.

The dispute flared in August and September with landings by nationalists from both sides and the subsequent nationalization of the islands by Tokyo.

The exercise would reportedly use the uninhabited island of Irisunajima. The tiny island, used as a firing range for U.S. forces, is also in the East China Sea but hundreds of kilometers (miles) away from the disputed island chain.

Jiji said some Japanese and U.S. government officials were cautious about holding the drill, fearing a likely angry response from China.


Flyguy

#366
Die laatste twee foto's lijken wel in de jaren '90 genomen te zijn.
Maarja, mooi bootje hoor. Is wel wat anders dan het museum of restaurant dat het zou worden...

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