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[Harald]

Franco-Belgian Partnership Around the SCORPION Program

The Franco-Belgian partnership CaMo (Motorized Capability cooperation) around the SCORPION program is based both on operational cooperation and on cooperation in terms of training and training. So, it is not just a question of purchasing common equipment, but of full interoperability in combat.

On June 21, 2019, the intergovernmental agreement between the government of the French Republic and the government of the Kingdom of Belgium, relating to cooperation in the field of land mobility, entered into force: CaMo.

This agreement aims to deliver 382 Griffon multi-role armored vehicles and 60 network-enabled Jaguar armored reconnaissance and combat vehicles to the Belgian Army, which will enter service between 2025 and 2030. These vehicles will be identical to those of the SCORPION program and therefore fully compatible with their French equivalents.


#SCORPION La DGA poursuit les essais #Jaguar : essais de qualification de sa mobilité en terrain boueux & campagne d'essais de la fonction feu à DGA Techniques terrestres
➡️42 Jaguar supplémentaires commandés cette année
➡️1ères livraisons au 2nd trimestre 2021#NotreDéfense #LPM pic.twitter.com/4MTuG2Byji
— Direction générale de l'armement (@DGA) December 11, 2020
Meanwhile, the French defense procurement agency, DGA, is pursuing the final qualification trials of the Jaguar combat vehicle, whose initial deliveries are planned for the second half of 2021.

Mastering the specificities of the Griffon and the Jaguar, the Army stands ready to support the Belgian Land Component in their acquisition and appropriation. For example, it will participate in the training of Belgian soldiers.

While the Griffon and the Jaguar are currently the most visible part of the SCORPION program, these vehicles are intimately linked to its on-board command system: SICS (Scorpion Combat Information System).

The training of Army soldiers on this new information system is therefore essential.

Modernity, innovation, ease and understanding of the needs of the soldier: a new training concept is emerging today within the regiments. The end state sought through the capability cooperation put in place is defined as follows: "generate combined arms tactical groups, Belgian and French, natively interoperable."

This means that on the basis of similar equipment, with common employment doctrines and training and training schemes, a Belgian unit can, without any additional preparation, operate within a French battle group, and vice versa. This interoperability involves, for example, the pooling of training and training, avoiding redundancies as much as possible.

They began in 2020 in the field of information systems where the school of signals is already training Belgian soldiers on the Scorpion Combat Information System (SICS). The 2020 Army Capabilities Presentation (PCAT 2020) took place on October 8.

The purpose of this event was to illustrate the implementation of the strategic vision of the French Army Chief of Staff (CEMAT), Thierry Burkhard. The integration of the Belgian Army into the system was presented there. The SCORPION program will improve interoperability in as many areas as possible, such as radio communications or the use of weapons.

The CaMo strategic partnership thus opens up a new and increased cooperation between the French Army and the Belgian Army. Cross-pilot training support to the 1st African Rifles Regiment (1st RCA) will begin in 2022 for the Belgians. Pooling even goes beyond the scope of SCORPION since, in 2021, our two countries will exchange training in other related fields such as air-ground support, logistics, intelligence or engineering.

Finally, the land forces are now planning with the Belgians for the engagement in 2022 of one of their units with their own machines and under SICS with the SCORPION battle group.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/214823/scorpion-program-boosts-belgian%2C-french-army-interoperability.html

[Stoonbrace]

Het zijn de meest gemakkelijk te realiseren punten die vooral flexibiliteit van het personeel vragen, of daar een beroep op doen. Maar het is een begin van aandacht aan de strijdkrachten. :)

De verhuizing kwam er op vraag van het personeel. Er was quasi geen aanwezigheid van Defensie meer in Oost- en West-Vlaanderen en de personeelsleden die naar Gavere verhuisden deden dat vrijwillig. (Vaak omdat het een paar uurtjes minder woon-werkverkeer voor hen betekende).

[Huzaar1]

Vandaag te weten gekomen dat de compagnie van het Special Operations Regiment die recent naar Gavere (Oost-Vlaanderen) verhuisd is diegene is met een amfibische specialisatie. Puntje uit de Strategische Visie dat dus wel degelijk is uitgevoerd.

Het zijn de meest gemakkelijk te realiseren punten die vooral flexibiliteit van het personeel vragen, of daar een beroep op doen. Maar het is een begin van aandacht aan de strijdkrachten. :)

[Stoonbrace]

Vandaag te weten gekomen dat de compagnie van het Special Operations Regiment die recent naar Gavere (Oost-Vlaanderen) verhuisd is diegene is met een amfibische specialisatie. Puntje uit de Strategische Visie dat dus wel degelijk is uitgevoerd.

[Harald]

Scania competes in Belgian army tender to supply 879 trucks   

In accordance with the Strategic Vision for Defense issued by the Belgian army on June 29, 2016, a tender has been issued for the replacement of the Mercedes Unimog 1300L 4x4 1.9T and the Volvo N10 6x4 trucks.


The 636 light trucks would be Scania model P360 in a high mobility 4x4 chassis configuration. These trucks will be fitted with a Scania 13-liter 6-cylindres developing 360hp. All 636 chassis will be identical. Only the execution of the mission specific body components is different. They will get 3 different bodies. The 243 heavy truck would be Scania model R460 in a high mobility 8x8 chassis configuration. They will be fitted with a Scania 13-litres 6-cylindres developing 460hp. All 243 chassis will be identical with a container lifting and handling system. Different types of container systems and containers are included in the delivery.

To make it short, the breakdown of the 879 trucks is as follows:
1) 636 light 4x4 trucks:
1) 410 light trucks transporting 10 ft container;
2) 174 light trucks with cargo superstructure;
3) 52 light trucks with crane and cargo superstructure.

2) 243 8x8 heavy trucks:
1) 171 heavy 20 ft container transporter trucks;
2) 52 heavy trucks with crane and cargo superstructure;
3) 20 heavy duty Dump trucks.

The chassis of light and heavy trucks will come from the same manufacturer. The air transportability of vehicles in the Airbus A400M Atlas transport aircraft is mandatory. Light and heavy trucks will not be exceptional transport, in accordance with the Royal Decree of March 15, 1968. Light trucks transporting 10 ft containers and with cargo superstructure will have a payload of at least 6 tonnes. Light trucks with crane and superstructure will have a payload of at least 4.5 tonnes. Heavy 20 ft container transporter trucks will have a payload of at least 16 tonnes. Heavy trucks with crane and cargo superstructure will have a payload of at least 12 tonnes. Heavy Dump trucks will have a payload of at least 14 tonnes.

All vehicles must have optimal mobility on roads and off-road. A Central Tire Inflation System (CTIS) by the axles (therefore not external) will be fitted to all light and heavy trucks.

Scania provides trucks with engines rated for NATO fuel as well. The power/weight ratio of light trucks will be a minimum of 11, and 9 for the heavy trucks.

Light trucks can accommodate a crew of at least 2 people (driver and attendant). Heavy trucks can accommodate a crew of three (driver, attendant and passenger). Regarding protection, initially, only 40% of the fleet will be equipped with an armored cabin. However, the entire fleet must, during its life cycle, be able to be equipped with permanent armor by subsequent installation of an armored cabin.

Scania's complete offering is based on its modular NCG model range. Providing the customer with a huge commonality of components through the complete fleet. Driver interfaces are the same. Since most of the components are identical, the customer will benefit of the strongly reduced logistic footprint supporting the fleet when deployed. Training of operators and mechanics can be reduced dramatically providing considerable economies and countering the limited number of available mechanics.

The complete fleet is suitable to be used on jetfluel and other lower quality fuels when needed, despite being equipped with a driveline issued from the latest generation of diesel engines (EURO 6).

Scania is a wellknow leading manufacturer of heavy-duty commercial vehicles, buses and coaches and industrial and maritime engines employing nearly 50.000 employees worldwide, spread over 100 countries. 1,400 of them work in Belgium. Scania Belgium was founded in 1955, then named Etablissements Arthur Denonville, later changed to Scania Belgium. Since 2008, the head office for Benelux is located in Breda (Netherlands).

Scania already has an important contracts with the Danish and Netherlands armies to train Defense technicians to maintain and repair new Scania trucks (much needed when in foreign military missions, where no Scania dealer is available). These contracts ensure transfer of know-how from Scania to the military; the latter maintain a number of new vehicles in Scania's workshops, under the umbrella of Scania's supervision and support. Scania has set up the workshops, supplies the parts and supports these mechanics so that they can acquire new skills, including IT and electro. Dutch Army's mechanics allowed to do 1-year traineeships in Scania workshops, where they also work on civilian vehicles, so gaining a lot of experience on vehicles in a shorter period of time. In the future, Scania will send its own mechanics with reserve status to external mission areas where Dutch army contingens will be deployed. In the future, the manufacturer will launch a joint campaign Scania – Defense to attract young and new talents to do training in cooperation with Scania and Belgian Defense and option to get contract with either organization.

In 1998, Scania handed over the first NATO-specified truck to the Belgian Army. Since then, maintenance of Belgian army's Scania trucks is carried on with the manufacturer's assistance. Hence the relevant participation of Scania to the new tender.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_december_2020_global_security_army_industry/scania_competes_in_begian_army_tender_to_supply_879_trucks.html

[Huzaar1]

Unimog en soortgelijke voertuigen worden meer dan 50 jaar door SOF wereldwijd gebruikt. Waarom zou dat nu ineens te groot zijn?

Yes, als dedicated voertuigen. Ik zie de rest van Europa zich niet in een dergelijk vtg als hoofdwapensysteem voor sof verplaatsen.

Niet alles is woestijn en berg.

[Stoonbrace]

Unimog en soortgelijke voertuigen worden meer dan 50 jaar door SOF wereldwijd gebruikt. Waarom zou dat nu ineens te groot zijn?

Dat en Tsjaad was een Ops.

[Sparkplug]

Operationele voertuigen zoals de vector en consorten passen veel beter bij verschillende soorten optreden. Al is het maar de balans tussen terreinvaardigheid en profiel. Dit voertuig is enorm  groot en veel te opvallend. Maargoed, zal een consessie zijn ivm $.

Unimog en soortgelijke voertuigen worden meer dan 50 jaar door SOF wereldwijd gebruikt. Waarom zou dat nu ineens te groot zijn?

[Huzaar1]

Je begrijpt één van de oudste SOF technieken niet?

Er is meer dan in de woestijn oefenen. Operationele voertuigen zoals de vector en consorten passen veel beter bij verschillende soorten optreden. Al is het maar de balans tussen terreinvaardigheid en profiel. Dit voertuig is enorm  groot en veel te opvallend. Maargoed, zal een consessie zijn ivm $.

[Stoonbrace]

De oude modellen zien er in mijn ogen veel steviger uit dat dit voertuig, en ja het is een civiele unimog basis i.p.v. een militaire variant zoals de huidige unimogs. Op de website van Jankel staat ook een ambulance variant van het voertuig, is deze ook besteld door Belgie?

* antwoord word al gegeven door Jankel zelf 

Dit is een prototype, het uiteindelijke productiemodel zal nog aanpassingen kennen om de positieve eigenschappen van de Jacam te integreren.

[Parera]

De oude modellen zien er in mijn ogen veel steviger uit dat dit voertuig, en ja het is een civiele unimog basis i.p.v. een militaire variant zoals de huidige unimogs. Op de website van Jankel staat ook een ambulance variant van het voertuig, is deze ook besteld door Belgie?

* antwoord word al gegeven door Jankel zelf 

[Stoonbrace]

Ik begrijp tot de dag van vandaag deze voertuigen niet. Het zijn kleine vrachtwagens.

Je begrijpt één van de oudste SOF technieken niet?

[Huzaar1]

Ik begrijp tot de dag van vandaag deze voertuigen niet. Het zijn kleine vrachtwagens.

[Harald]

Belgian army evaluates Jankel LTTV light truck for Special Operations and Para-Cdo units



In view of replacing Belgian army's aging Unimog Jacams equipping its special forces, the Belgian Arsenal of Rocourt is evaluating the Prototype 0 of the British Jankel LTTV (Light Troop Transport Vehicle) that will be delivered in 199 units.

Jankel is already the manufacturer of another – lighter – vehicleused by the Belgian Special Operation Group : the Fox RRV (Rapid Reaction Vehicle). So, this manufacturer is well acquaintrd with the Belgian army.

Following the 2015 contract to supply the Belgian Ministry of Defense with over 100 Fox Rapid Reaction Vehicles (RRV),  Jankel secured a second prestigious contract with the Belgian army to supply a new fleet of specialist tactical vehicles, under the LTTV Light Troop Transport Vehicles program. Jankel specialises in fully engineered solutions that utilise commercial-off-the-shelf base platforms and meet exact military customer requirements, standards and operational needs. The contract will see Jankel execute on this specialty by using the Mercedes Unimog U5000 platform but in civilian version, not the military one, thus unreinforced (probably a matter of cost).

The LTTV has been designed by Jankel's team of engineers to provide a modular vehicle solution that will benefit from unique removable mission modules that enable the vehicle to be re-rolled for operational platform versatility. Alongside a fully integrated suite of military sub-systems that includes a removable ballistic protection kit, a Roll-Over-Protection-System (ROPS), weapon mounts and communications fit, the platform will provide full interoperability with the Fox RRV fleet.

On June 30, 2017, the Belgian Ministry of Defense had approved the launch of the tendering procedure to equip Special Operations Forces with 199 new armored Light Troop Transport Vehicles.

The new LTTV wil not only equip the Special Operation Group but also the Para-Commando units for which itwill replace the old Unimog 1350Ls dating back to themid-1990s. By the way, this big Belgian army contract saved Unimog from a fatal commercial fate.

The LTTV is design to carry 8 fully equipped and armed troops in the rear compartment , on top of the driver and vehicle commander. The empty weight of the LTTV is 9.2 tons. The truck will weigh up to 10.8 tons when loaded in Paracommando service. The gearbox normally works in automatic mode but it can also be used in manual mode, be it for special use in off-road condition or in case of electronic failure of the automatic mode. The theoretical range is 1,200 km.

Regarding the protection, the LTTV's cab has got an armored floor and armored folding front windows (the windscreen is made of two independant windows). For additional protection upon mission requirement, the cabin doors  and the cargo compartment, an RPK (Removable Protection Kit) will be available.

The exclusive pictures published by Army Recognition show Prototype 0, currently under test and improvement phase under Jankel's scrutiny, as the future users arestill making their comments about the configuration, the SOG regretting some missing devices they have on the Jacam, but also appreciating the new advantages of the LTTV. The expertise of the Rocourt Arsenal was engaged for gravimetry, load tests with the Special Forces Group but also with the 2nd Commando Battalion. The prototype has also passed through the workshops of Peutie for transmission system assembly tests and is scheduled for range and dynamic testing in November at Elsenborn camp.

Production of the final version will start after validation by the ministry of Defense. The first deliveries were initially expected in 2019 but they have since been delayed to mid-2021.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_october_2020_global_security_army_industry/belgian_army_evaluates_jankel_lttv_light_truck_for_special_operations_and_para-cdo_units.html

[A.J.]

Relevantie PRTL was me altijd al duidelijk. Had er geen seconde aan getwijfeld dat ze nu handig zijn. Kanon is onontkoombaar ivm kosten plaatje. Nadeel van zo'n systeem is dat het een doel wordt voor SEAD, waar stinger dit nooit is.

Sowieso een groeiend probleem met APS. Al die radar plaatjes die ze afgeven.

Maargoed, NLD mist ook een laag inderdaad. Huidige  Patriot, Nasams en stinger fenneks zijn niet voldoende.

Maar of de PRTL weer uit de trukendoos wordt gehaald.. zal mij benieuwen.

De PRTL zal denk ik nooit terug komen.

De Cheetah heeft een modus om SEAD grotendeels te counteren. Sowieso is SEAD op een draaiende (niet continu zenden vanuit 1 richting) relatief weinig energie uitzendende radar al lastig. En de Cheetah is uitgerust met een soort van radar hopping mode. Als je bv. drie Cheetahs hebt kun je in SEAD mode werken waarbij de stukken op basis van GPS tijd en met behulp van de link om de zoveel tijd hun radar gebruiken. Dus dan 1, dan 3, dan 2 etc. En de radarbeelden worden mbv van de link het netwerk ingestuurd. Dan heb je dus een steeds verspringende EM bron.