Internationale fighter ontwikkelingen

[Ace1]

Dan maar zien wat de werkelijke MiG-21 opvolger wordt, gezien hun krappe budget. Tweedehands Gripens overnemen van Zweden is weer niet gunstig voor de Zweedse financiën (reactie #952) 

Zweden heeft toch ook nog Gripens in de A en B configuratie in opslag staan.

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Dan maar zien wat de werkelijke MiG-21 opvolger wordt, gezien hun krappe budget. Tweedehands Gripens overnemen van Zweden is weer niet gunstig voor de Zweedse financiën (reactie #952) 

Het uit faseren van de F16's in Europa gaar in het volgende decennium in een rap tempo, al zijn er nog een paar landen die nog een keuze moeten maken, zeker die landen die met de MLU vliegen.

[Sparkplug]

Ze krijgen ze dan ook voor een appel en een ei... zie het als interim kist.

Dan maar zien wat de werkelijke MiG-21 opvolger wordt, gezien hun krappe budget. Tweedehands Gripens overnemen van Zweden is weer niet gunstig voor de Zweedse financiën (reactie #952) 

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Als je maar genoeg geld er tegenaan gooit, dan kan de levensduur van het casco worden verlengd. Het is aan de gebruiker wat er wordt betaald.

Ze krijgen ze dan ook voor een appel en een ei... zie het als interim kist.

En... ze zijn al vast in het LM huis, waarmee deze club heel effectief de Europese concurrentie buiten de deur heeft weten te houden.

[Sparkplug]

Die dingen zijn toch veel te oud om in 'niruw' gebruik te komen van een navo land. Airframes laten nu nog maar 'zoveel' toe? Cmiiw.

Als je maar genoeg geld er tegenaan gooit, dan kan de levensduur van het casco worden verlengd. Het is aan de gebruiker wat er wordt betaald.

[Huzaar1]

Mooi kleurenschema !

Die dingen zijn toch veel te oud om in 'niruw' gebruik te komen van een navo land. Airframes laten nu nog maar 'zoveel' toe? Cmiiw.

[Sparkplug]

ADAS 2016: Saab targets Gripen at Philippines

Jon Grevatt, Manila - IHS Jane's Defence Industry - 28 September 2016


Saab is opening an office in the Philippines to pursue an opportunity for the Gripen. Source: Saab

Saab is to open an office in Manila by the end of 2016 to support the company's campaign to sell its JAS 39 Gripen fighter aircraft to the Philippine Air Force (PAF), an official from the Swedish company told I HS Jane's on 28 September.

Speaking on the opening day of the Asian Defence and Security 2016 (ADAS 2016) exhibition in Manila, Carl-Erik Leek, Saab's executive vice-president in the Asia Pacific, said the new office would be the centre of the company's marketing activities in the country.

At present, these are undertaken from Saab's regional headquarters in Thailand, although the company does not currently have a major presence, in terms of previous defence sales, in the Philippine market.

The new office will also be supported by the Swedish government's intention, announced in December 2015, to open an embassy in Manila to support growth in bilateral trade and investment. Both Saab's office and the new embassy are expected to be operational by November.

Leek, who will head up the new Manila office, said Saab's primary target in the Philippines is the PAF's requirement - outlined in the service's modernisation programme, Flight Plan 2028 - for 12 multirole combat aircraft. "Saab can fulfil the PAF requirement for an affordable fighter aircraft," said Leek. "We think we are a strong contender."

He added that the offer would include a package of support systems, similar to the capabilities that Saab has supplied the Royal Thai Air Force, which procured 12 Gripen C/D aircraft ordered in two phases in 2008 and 2010, with deliveries completed in 2013. "[The PAF offer] will be a whole system including ground infrastructure, an integrated command-and-control system, sensors, and datalinks," he said.

In addition, Leek highlighted opportunities for Saab to meet Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) requirements for naval systems - such as combat management systems - radars and air defence.

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http://www.janes.com/article/64159/adas-2016-saab-targets-gripen-at-philippines

[Harald]

En ook Roemenië behoort nu tot de groep F-16 gebruikers.

Romania to accept first used F-16s from Portugal

Mooi kleurenschema !

[Harald]

Obama administration has cleared sale of F-15s, F-16s, F/A-18s to Gulf States  (.. eindelijk ... productie lijnen blijven langer open ..)

Multiple media sources in the United States are reporting that the U.S. government has approved the sale of 36 F-15s to Qatar, 28 F/A-18s to Kuwait and 17 F-16s to Bahrain.

Chairman of Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker also confirmed the sale to Defense News.

A formal notification by the Defense Security Cooperation Agency will start once the 40-day informal notification expires.

http://alert5.com/2016/09/29/obama-administration-has-cleared-sale-of-f-15s-f-16s-fa-18s-to-gulf-states/

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The Government's Dilemma: Scrap Gripen or Accept Bill for Billions

(Source: Svenska Dagbladet; published Sept 28, 2016)

(Published in Swedish only; unofficial translation by Defense-Aerospace.com) By Tomas Augustsson


Saab is to produce the new Gripen-E fighter, seen here at its unveiling in May, using parts taken from in-service Gripen C/Ds. Many now oppose dismantling these recently-upgraded aircraft for parts, but buying all-new Gripen-Es would add 7 billion Swedish kronor to program cost. (Swedish AF photo)

STOCKHOLM --- A controversy has broken out among defense commentators in Sweden as to whether it makes sense to break up a large part of the current Swedish Gripen fleet to recover parts that can be used in the production of the new Gripen-E fighter, as ordered by the defence ministry and parliament.

Sweden plans to produce a total of 60 new Gripen-Es at a cost of SEK 36 billion ($4.2 billion) to replace the 96 Gripen C/D currently operated by the Swedish Air Force.

However, many are protesting against the dismantling of the current Gripens, which have just been extensively upgraded – the last upgraded Gripen-C was delivered 18 months ago – by a wide modernization of its main systems and are now able to fire the new MBDA Meteor air-to-air missile.

Many see as unnecessary and financially wasteful to dismantle such modern and capable aircraft simply to provide parts for their successor. Many critics would prefer to continue operating these aircraft, or possibly selling them to another country. Critics also point out that defense company Saab, which produces the Gripen, sees a big future market for both the existing Gripen C / D and the future Gripen E / F.

Most recently, Liberal Party leader Jan Björklund joined the debate by suggesting that the Air Force in future operate 100 combat aircraft, by acquiring the planned 60 Gripen Es supplemented by the retention of 40 Gripen C / Ds. Ideally, he would like to retain all existing Gripens, and increase the Air Force fighter fleet to 160 airplanes.

But new figures from the armed forces shows that it would be very expensive not to take parts from the current plane for the new, and point out that even when the current Gripen C/Ds were built, they used parts taken from the first generation plane, the Gripen A / B.

This time, the scope for re-use of parts is smaller. The new Gripen E is larger, it has a new computer system, new radar, new engine, new electronic warfare systems and more new parts, so many large and expensive parts must be purchased new.

A fixed number of key components can still be re-used, and their estimated value is equal to about one-fifth of the cost of the new Gripen. This means that the cost will increase by 7 billion kronor ($820 million) if all existing Gripens are retained while building Gripen-E using all-new parts.

There will be a considerable increase in costs as it currently is no money for. An alternative is also to pick parts from the old plan, Griffin A / B. Then it is not necessary to buy everything new, and additional cost stays at around 3.5 billion kronor.

"It is a strategic reserve we have. There are parts to a high value that can be reused," says Colonel Lars Jäderblom, strategy director for the Gripen at the Swedish Armed Forces.

The first new Gripen-E aircraft are to be delivered in 2019. From then, every year 5 to 10 new aircraft are to be delivered to the Air Force until deliveries are completed in 2026.

To cope with the delivery schedule, Saab must bring in parts from the current planes beginning next year, which in turn requires that the Supreme Commander and the government must decide by the end of this year whether to follow the original plan, and dismantle fully operational aircraft, or come up with the money to build entirely new ones.

FMV's Dan Averstad, who manages the state's purchase of Gripen, says that the current dismantling option remains applicable, and will remain so until and unless politicians change their minds.

"If the decision is to be changed, it risks causing increased costs, which go beyond the defense deal the five [political] parties signed," said Defence Minister Peter Hultqvist.

There are also other challenges if Sweden chooses to continue with the existing Gripen alongside the new ones. Gripen E has certainly inherited some of its predecessor's parts and components, but it is still largely a new plane, and it will be high costly to operate two systems in parallel.

Defense could pay for the industry to maintain its expertise in system and to develop the new skills required.

Another problem is that more aircraft also require more pilots, more bases, more combat commanders and more supplementary and support features to keep them operating, adding yet more to total costs.

Click here for the original (in Swedish) on the Svenska Dagbladet website.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/177427/a-swedish-dilemma%3A-scrap-current-gripen-or-pay-billions-more.html

[Harald]

Boeing in "ping-pong" discussions with Canada on fighter purchase

An executive from Boeing said his company has been engaged in "ping-pong" discussions with the Canadian government on the latter's upcoming fighter competition.

According to Marc Allen, president of Boeing International, Ottawa has been seeking information such as capabilities and economic benefits of its Super Hornet aircraft.

http://alert5.com/2016/09/28/boeing-in-ping-pong-discussions-with-canada-on-fighter-purchase/

[Sparkplug]

En ook Roemenië behoort nu tot de groep F-16 gebruikers.

Romania to accept first used F-16s from Portugal

By Stephen Trimble | Washington DC | 27 September, 2016

Six used Lockheed Martin F-16s will be delivered to the Romanian air force in Portugal on 28 September, the nation's defence minister announced on 27 September.

The aircraft – which already bear the Romanian service's tricolour roundel – are the first batch from a 12-aircraft deal with the Portugese government signed in 2013.

"Although I hesitate to use big words when talking about acquisitions," defence minister Mihnea Motoc writes on his Facebook page, "I have to say that tomorrow will be a truly historic day for Romania and its army."

The 2013 deal includes training and support by Lockheed.

Romania has been looking to modernise a Soviet-era fleet of Mikoyan MiG-21 multirole fighters for more than a decade. Its defence ministry considered offers based on the Saab Gripen and Dassault Rafale before opting for the NATO-standard F-16

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/romania-to-accept-first-used-f-16s-from-portugal-429806/

[Zander]

+1
De KL heeft grofweg de helft van het totale personeelsbestand van defensie.(correct me if i'm wrong)

Dus vergt dat ook een aanzienlijk stuk van de taart. Helaas wordt dat stuk steeds kleiner door ondoorzichtige investeringen in materieel dat we niet eens kunnen inzetten.

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Voel je je achtergesteld Jurrien?

Met 721 miljoen en een beetje in 2017 gaat de KM het niet redden zonder additionele financiele middelen en dan hebben we het nog niet gehad over een paar dringend noodzakelijke vervangingstrajecten.

[jurrien visser (JuVi op Twitter)]

Tja en dat betreft waarschijnlijk voor het grootste deel personeelskosten. Materieel hebben ze nauwelijks meer.

Wat wil je eigenlijk zeggen met deze opmerking?

Betreft een opmerking: als we geen F35 zouden nemen dan.... wat voor een sterke marine en landmacht we dan zouden hebben....

Dan heb je eenmalig het aanschaf prijsverschil tussen de F35 en F/X en het jaarlijkse exploitatieverschil als defensie het al mag houden...