Burgeroorlog Syrie

[Huzaar1]

Weet je, dit hele gejank is zo absurd als het maar zijn kan.
Als je gaat rondvliegen in een conflict gebied dan is dit gewoon het risico als er op een locatie gevochten wordt waar jij dan ook actief bent. Dit geklaag lijkt op een vraag van een gamer die wil cheaten met een soort 'god mode'.

Zo werkt het niet.

[Parera]

Nu ook met kekke filmpjes:

Oftewel, de Russen willen ons doen geloven dat de IAF na de aanval ff 1 vliegtuig losweekt uit het viertje om zo die IL-20 in de val te lokken...

Met hun presentatie laten ze eigenlijk gewoon zien dat de Il-20 richting de F-16's vloog die op hun terug weg waren naar de thuisbasis nadat ze hun bommen hadden afgeworpen. Dus de Il-20 vliegt naar de F-16's maar de russen zeggen dat de F-16's het vliegtuig als ''schild'' gebruikte. Hieronder de live stream van de presentatie met Engelse vertaling van RT.

Toevallig was het gesprek dat de Israëlisch hielden voorafgaand aan de aanval met de Russen compleet in het Russisch, erg makkelijk te produceren dus voor de Russen

[Huzaar1]

Die Russen zijn na Georgie, Ukraine, MH-17, de Krim en nu dit wel masters of powerpoint zeg.

[A.J.]

Nu ook met kekke filmpjes:

Oftewel, de Russen willen ons doen geloven dat de IAF na de aanval ff 1 vliegtuig losweekt uit het viertje om zo die IL-20 in de val te lokken...

[A.J.]

The Israeli pilot must have been well aware of the fact that the Il-20 has a much larger radar cross-section than his F-16, and would become a "preferred target" for the Syrian air defense units, who use different friend-or-foe systems with the Russians, Konashenkov said. Thus, for the Syrians, the reconnaissance plane could appear as a group of Israeli jets.

Jaja... Ik geloof ze direct...

[A.J.]

'Criminal negligence' or disregard to Russia-Israel ties: MoD details chronology of Il-20 downing

A minute-by-minute account of the Il-20 downing shows Israel's culpability and either its military bosses' lack of appreciation of relations with Moscow, or their control of commanding officers, the Russian defense ministry said.

"We believe that the blame for the Russian Il-20 aircraft tragedy lies entirely with the Israeli Air Force," said spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov, before revealing a detailed account of events leading to the downing of the Russian Il-20 military aircraft on September 17. The plane was shot down by the Syrian air defense units as Israeli's F-16s effectively used it as a cover during the attack on its neighbor.

The report featured previously undisclosed radar data and details of communications between Russian and Israeli militaries, and concluded that "the military leadership of Israel either has no appreciation for the level of relations with Russia, or has no control over individual commands or commanding officers who understood that their actions would lead to tragedy."

Misinformation & 'criminal negligence'

On the evening of September 17, the Russian Ilyushin IL-20 with 15 crew on board was circling over the Idlib de-escalation zone on a special reconnaissance mission, when four Israeli F-16 fighter jets left their country's airspace and flew over the neutral Mediterranean waters towards the Syrian coast. The Israeli Air Force gave the Russian side less than a minute's warning before dropping the precision-guided glide bombs, leaving virtually no time for any safety maneuvers, Konashenkov said, calling such actions "a clear violation of the 2015 Russian-Israeli agreements."

Moreover, the Israeli military failed to provide the location of their jets or properly specify their targets, claiming they were going to attack several 'industrial facilities' in northern Syria, close to the Il-20's area of operation. The misinformation prompted the Russian Command to order the recon plane back to the Khmeimim air base. The Israeli jets, however, instead almost immediately attacked the western Syrian Latakia province.

Once the Syrian air defenses responded to the initial strike, the Israeli jets switched on radar jamming and pulled back, apparently preparing for another attack. One of the Israeli jets then came closer to the Syrian coast and approached the Russian plane, which was preparing to land at that time.

The Israeli pilot must have been well aware of the fact that the Il-20 has a much larger radar cross-section than his F-16, and would become a "preferred target" for the Syrian air defense units, who use different friend-or-foe systems with the Russians, Konashenkov said. Thus, for the Syrians, the reconnaissance plane could appear as a group of Israeli jets.

Finally, the Israeli jets carried out their maneuvers in the immediate vicinity of the Khmeimim air base, which is used both by military and civilian aircraft, including passenger planes, the ministry's spokesman emphasized, saying that the reckless actions of the Israeli pilots could also have posed a threat to any passenger or transport aircraft that may have happened to be there at that time.
Israel 'crossed the line of civilized relations' with 'ungrateful response'

Israel's negligent behavior amounts to a flagrant violation of the very spirit of cooperation between the countries, Konashenkov stated, noting that Russia has never broken its commitment to the deconfliction agreement – it has always informed Israel about their missions in advance and has never used its air defense capabilities against the Israelis, even though their airstrikes sometimes put the Russian servicemen in danger.

Russia has sent as many as 310 notifications to the Israeli Air Force Command, while the latter appeared to be reluctant to show the same level of commitment, notifying only 25 times even though its jets carried out more than 200 strikes against targets located in Syria over the past 18 months alone.

"This is an extremely ungrateful response to all that has been done by the Russian Federation for Israel and the Israeli people recently," Konashenkov said.

The Russian military supported the Syrian military operation in the Golan Heights to "ensure there were no shelling attacks on Israeli territory" anymore, thus allowing the UN peacekeeping mission to resume patrolling of the contested border between Syria and Israel after "a six-year hiatus."

Russia also managed to secure the withdrawal of all Iran-backed groups from the Golan Heights to a "safe distance for Israel," more than 140 kilometers to the east of Syria, the spokesperson said, adding that this was done at the request of Tel Aviv. "A total of 1,050 personnel, 24 MLRSs and tactical missiles, as well as 145 pieces of other munitions and military equipment were withdrawn from the area," Konashenkov told journalists.

The Russian Defense Ministry had provided assistance in preserving Jewish sacred places and graves in the city of Aleppo. Putting Russian Special Forces soldiers' lives in danger, it also organized the search for the remains of some Israeli servicemen that died during the past conflicts in an area where the Syrian forces were combating Islamic State (IS, former ISIS) terrorists at that time.

While Israel said that it mourned the deaths of Russian troops, the IDF statement following the incident shifted all the blame for the incident solely on Damascus, and its Iranian and Lebanese allies.

RT

[DvdW]

Ik ben dan ook erg benieuwd met wat voor verhaal ze gaan komen.

Dat zal nog even op zich wachten, vermoed ik. Er zullen nog wat radarbeelden moeten worden "aangepast".... #MH17

[A.J.]

Laat de russen even een paar uur youtube beelden kijken naar hun 'unfriendly' en gevaarlijk gedrag ELKE dag in de lucht. Van het uitzetten tot transponders tot en met flyby's op meters afstand. Pleur toch op hypocriete eikels.

Ik ben dan ook erg benieuwd met wat voor verhaal ze gaan komen.

[Huzaar1]

Laat de russen even een paar uur youtube beelden kijken naar hun 'unfriendly' en gevaarlijk gedrag ELKE dag in de lucht. Van het uitzetten tot transponders tot en met flyby's op meters afstand. Pleur toch op hypocriete eikels.

[A.J.]

Report: Russia to Release Details on Downing of Plane Over Syria

Defense Ministry will include minute-by-minute timeline using radar data in report, Russian news agency TASS says, as Israel insists incident was not its fault

Russia's Defense Ministry will publish on Sunday a report detailing the circumstances surrounding the downing of the Russian aircraft last week over Syria, the TASS news agency reported.

"The minute-by-minute timeline of the tragedy will be given with a presentation of objective data from the radars' data handling system about the air situation in Syria on September 17 and actions of Israel's air force in the area of the crash," the ministry said, as quoted by TASS.

Fifteen Russian airmen were killed when the Ilyushin 20 airplane was mistakenly shot down by Syria's air defenses soon after an Israeli strike near the coastal Syrian city of Latakia. Israel blamed the incident on Syrian recklessness, while the Russian embassy in Israel said the Air Force's actions were "irresponsible and unfriendly" and exposed the downed plane to danger.

Lebanese news outlet Al-Mayadeen meanwhile reported that Russia plans to continue its closure of the airspace above Syria's territorial waters after the end of military exercises on September 26. According to the report, the decision to shut the airspace was made by Russia's National Security Council after the plane was shot down. Al-Mayadeen reported earlier this week that Russia had rejected Israel's findings regarding the incident.

Israel does not usually comment on reports that it conducted airstrikes in Syria, but was forced to this week because of the incident.

An Israel Defense Forces delegation traveled Thursday to Moscow in an attempt to ease the tensions caused by the incident. The delegation, headed by the commander of the air force, Maj. Gen. Amikam Norkin, offered Russian Air Force commander Lt. Gen. Andrey Yudin their view of what transpired, including the information Israel had prior to its airstrike and the main findings of the IDF inquiry into the incident.

A senior military source said that the Israeli delegation presented Russia with "operational and intelligence details regarding Iran's entrenchment in Syria, the transfer of weapons to Hezbollah, and the information the IDF possessed about depots in Latakia that led to Israel's attack."

An Israeli military statement said that the delegation presented maps, documents and a presentation showing a step-by-step breakdown of the incident.

Haaretz

[A.J.]

Ik denk dat de Russen die aanval zagen aankomen, het wel interessant zouden vinden wat er allemaal zou gebeuren, daar wilden gaan rondneuzen, alles uitluisteren en dan gaat hun IFF uit ( denk dat ze zoiets wel hebben )en dan zien de Syriers daar iets wat ze eindelijk eens wel konden knallen.

Parole/  Kremni heet hun IFF systeem. En ja dat lijkt mij het meest aannemelijke scenario.

[Oorlogsvis]

De Israeli's hebben het slim gespeeld...en lachen zich nu dood...maar goed de Russen hebben ook onze MH-17 neergeknald dus je kan niet echt medelijden met ze hebben he.

[DvdW]

Volgens dit bericht is het toestel neergeschoten door een aan Syrië verkochte S-200...




Meer info (van Russische zijde...)

Russian Il-20 downed by Syrian missile after Israeli F-16s used it as cover during attack – MoD
The Russian military says an Israeli raid on Syria triggered a chain of events that led to its Il-20 plane being shot down by a Syrian S-200 surface-to-air missile. Moscow reserves the right to respond accordingly.

On Monday evening, four Israeli F-16 fighter jets attacked targets in Syria's Latakia after approaching from the Mediterranean, a statement by the Russian Defense Ministry said on Tuesday. The Israeli warplanes approached at a low altitude and "created a dangerous situation for other aircraft and vessels in the region," it said.

"The Israeli pilots used the Russian plane as cover and set it up to be targeted by the Syrian air defense forces. As a consequence, the Il-20, which has radar cross-section much larger than the F-16, was shot down by an S-200 system missile," the statement said, adding that 15 Russian military service members have died as a result.

Zie meer: https://www.rt.com/news/438686-syria-russia-s200-il20/

[Huzaar1]

Ik denk dat de Russen die aanval zagen aankomen, het wel interessant zouden vinden wat er allemaal zou gebeuren, daar wilden gaan rondneuzen, alles uitluisteren en dan gaat hun IFF uit ( denk dat ze zoiets wel hebben )en dan zien de Syriers daar iets wat ze eindelijk eens wel konden knallen.

[Parera]

Meh... Ik denk eerder dat het bedoeld is om hun klungelige Syrische bondgenoot een hand boven het hoofd te houden. Ze zullen echt niet wat tegen Israel ondernemen. Gewoon wat verbale afleiding creeeren om je eigen team niet af tr vallen. Al hebben die twee achter de schermen nog het nodige om over door te praten....

Een actie tegen Israël (bombardement) lijkt mij ook erg onverstandig van de Russen, hoewel Israël klein is heeft het toch een capabel leger waar je geen ruzie mee wilt krijgen.
Ik ben wel heel benieuwd naar hoe het mogelijk is dat de Syriërs dat Russische toestel hebben kunnen aanvallen, blijkbaar werken ze daar niet met een IFF of stond dat uit.